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For the first time I have to criticize Harry Redknapp for a badly thought out team yesterday, I felt he got the tactics wrong pure and simple...

I wrote on Friday that I was convinced Everton would play a 4-5-1 formation for two very obvious reasons, this is the formation that Moyes has always preferred and also he didn't really have another option. His selection was pretty predictable, I named ten of the starting line up and the only area I didn't mention was the final midfield place as there were several injury doubts, the man who filled that role was to be the goalscorer, but Pienaar was himself returning from injury, so if I can get the team right, why didn't Harry look to play a team to win the game, as for me the one he played was all wrong...

When I say all wrong I may be being harsh, but firstly the formation was wrong, it should have been a five in the middle all day long. Harry had a problem with the absence of Jermaine Jenas and of course Luka Modric as players who could play a box to box role and support the strikers from deep, but surely there were options that would have worked better, even if this meant taking a gamble with KPB, Hossam Ghaly or John Bostock.

The pairing of Zokora and Hudd in the middle simply didn't work, they are both players who take a time on the ball, though for differing reasons.. neither are players who will run into space to support play, both also naturally stay deep and therefore want to work the same areas, creating un-necessary congestion, something which nullifies Huddlestones game and therefore restricts our movement in the middle.

Whether picking David Bentley was the right move is a point of argument, but it seemed logical that if you played Lennon and Bentley together yesterday, they should have started with Bentley on the right and Lennon left. Playing Lennon on the left would have put him against Phil Neville a good defender, but Lennon's pace would have troubled him far more than Bentleys stepovers.. similarly Bentley would have been happier facing Lescott and his ability to move inside and deep would have caused uncertainty for the full back, but with Lennon you know what you are going to get and Lescott is quick and organised.

In attack, both Bent and Pav were ok, but still seem to struggle as a pair, but again is this due to our midfield two's inability to get up in support? On several occasions the ball was perfect for a player like JJ or Modric to run onto, but both Hudd and Zokora were nowhere in sight, not their fault in some ways, as it simply isn't their game, Hudd isnt a box - box player and never will be whilst Zokora doesn't have the vision to make those runs..

Defensively I thought we were ok, Woodgate was the pick for me, whilst King was great at decision making, but I think he is still adapting slightly to a loss of pace and is occasionally getting caught wrong side, which was once never an issue, but at a yard slower, is now. Corluka was good again defensively, but I still feel his future in is the centre as he offers no threat going forward. Credit has to go to BAE, who worked well going forward and his final ball was very impressive on 3 or 4 occasions.

Although Gomes made some great saves, I am still very concerned at his inability to catch the ball. Clearly he couldn't get every ball as just getting body behind ball was the best he could do. The defence as a unit were also guilty of loosing concentration and failing to pick up runners on a number of occasions, which forced Gomes into so many point blank saves.

Overall I don't think there were any poor performances, but there was again far to much careless loss of possession and lack of concentration, Highlighted perfectly by the Everton Goal, Lennon had his back to the ball, instead of facing the play, an argument was obviously the better course of action, similarly both Hudd and Corluka were not focusing on play, but although this was the play which cost us the points, it was one of many and I am sure will be something Harry will be looking at this week.

Player Ratings:

Gomes 7 (great shot stopping, needs to catch more)
Corluka 6 (tidy, but for me should be in the centre)
Woodgate 7 (Now our defensive leader)
King 6 (adapting to loss of pace)
BAE 7 (still erratic, but some excellent crossing)
Lennon 6 (looked more dangerous facing Neville)
Zokora 6 (doesn't work in a two with Hudd)
Hudd 6 (went for the long option far to often)
Bentley 6 (looks confused when he isn't on right)
Bent 6 (had chances, but just couldn't convert)
Pav 6 (should have done better with chances)
Campbell 5 (unimpressive)
Bale 7 (livened things up and was the pick for spurs when he was on)
KPB 6 (I would have put him on earlier as Zok & Hudd wasn't working)

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Date:Monday December 1 2008

Time: 10:17AM

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Ox, I think our forward line lacks sharpness as in Defoe. Bent never bears down on goal and thunders in a shot, it's all tap in type goals that just about make it accross the line.
denboy
Ox, I think our forward line lacks sharpness as in Defoe. Bent never bears down on goal and thunders in a shot, it's all tap in type goals that just about make it accross the line.
denboy
Zokora!!!
Klinsmann Redeemer
Zokora!!!
Klinsmann Redeemer
den I dont really feel that Bent was at fault yesterday, I though he was slightly unlucky with one or two that ran away or didnt sit right, I felt there was zero back up from central midfield, where in the absence of JJ we should have played O'Hara or even KPB (as he was deemed good enough for the bench by harry) No disrespect to zokora, but he and hudd are a terrible conbo in a centre two as neither support the attack, this was where we failed badly yesterday.
oxfordspur
den I dont really feel that Bent was at fault yesterday, I though he was slightly unlucky with one or two that ran away or didnt sit right, I felt there was zero back up from central midfield, where in the absence of JJ we should have played O'Hara or even KPB (as he was deemed good enough for the bench by harry) No disrespect to zokora, but he and hudd are a terrible conbo in a centre two as neither support the attack, this was where we failed badly yesterday.
oxfordspur
We didnt play badly but neither did Everton, yet had we played well, we should have wiped the floor with them due to injuries they had etc, but as usual, doesnt matter who's in charge, who the players are, we always fall short when it matters and can never capitalize on a great chance. we could have climbed above the scummers had we won yesterday and they have Liverpool tonight so would have been almost certain to stay above them but we blew it due to a flukey wafty half arsed, deflected shot from an AVERAGE Safrican!
ExiL
We didnt play badly but neither did Everton, yet had we played well, we should have wiped the floor with them due to injuries they had etc, but as usual, doesnt matter who's in charge, who the players are, we always fall short when it matters and can never capitalize on a great chance. we could have climbed above the scummers had we won yesterday and they have Liverpool tonight so would have been almost certain to stay above them but we blew it due to a flukey wafty half arsed, deflected shot from an AVERAGE Safrican!
ExiL
Ox, with regard to Bent I am not referring just to yesterday. There is something that is hard to describe in his play. I am not saying he does not care, but it just seems like, I suppose a lack of passion that comes over. Having said that I suppose there are others that show that too. It's not only when you score, like Bentley going mental, but the same sort of passion needs to be shown when we go behind. Considering our precarious position in the league we are still showing a laxness that is not inspiring. Thinking about this again inspiration is the thing with Bent, he does not seem to inspire anybody, maybe you will say that's harsh but that's how it comes over as far as I can see.
denboy
Ox, with regard to Bent I am not referring just to yesterday. There is something that is hard to describe in his play. I am not saying he does not care, but it just seems like, I suppose a lack of passion that comes over. Having said that I suppose there are others that show that too. It's not only when you score, like Bentley going mental, but the same sort of passion needs to be shown when we go behind. Considering our precarious position in the league we are still showing a laxness that is not inspiring. Thinking about this again inspiration is the thing with Bent, he does not seem to inspire anybody, maybe you will say that's harsh but that's how it comes over as far as I can see.
denboy
I agree it was an even game, and no one in a spurs shirt had a poor game, but Everton played better as a team in a tried and tested formation, we again changed personel, though this was understandable with the UEFA game last week.
oxfordspur
I agree it was an even game, and no one in a spurs shirt had a poor game, but Everton played better as a team in a tried and tested formation, we again changed personel, though this was understandable with the UEFA game last week.
oxfordspur
Only saw the highlights and that didn't show much, but after watching the game in Europe on Thursday, the whole defence and midfield sat so deep, that it is no surprise we can't supply our strikers with any chances. It's not just sharpness up front, the midfield and defence need to push up meaning to support them and win knockdown, when we're forced to play it long. And why can't we play Bale and BAE in the same side on the left, it seems it would be the best option to balance the team.
lostitspur
Only saw the highlights and that didn't show much, but after watching the game in Europe on Thursday, the whole defence and midfield sat so deep, that it is no surprise we can't supply our strikers with any chances. It's not just sharpness up front, the midfield and defence need to push up meaning to support them and win knockdown, when we're forced to play it long. And why can't we play Bale and BAE in the same side on the left, it seems it would be the best option to balance the team.
lostitspur
i think i would have played bentley in the middle with the hudd, lennon on the right and bale on the left. time after time the centre of the park between the centre circle and the everton box was completely empty of spurs players. thudd has been given the 'quarter back' role and useless zok simply doesn't know how to get forward, connect play, pass etc. but harry should have known this and adjusted. it's not often that jj modric and gio will all be injured, it think yesterday highlighted our need for a creative striker to play an in an effective 4-4-2 more than anything else.
spiderspurs
i think i would have played bentley in the middle with the hudd, lennon on the right and bale on the left. time after time the centre of the park between the centre circle and the everton box was completely empty of spurs players. thudd has been given the 'quarter back' role and useless zok simply doesn't know how to get forward, connect play, pass etc. but harry should have known this and adjusted. it's not often that jj modric and gio will all be injured, it think yesterday highlighted our need for a creative striker to play an in an effective 4-4-2 more than anything else.
spiderspurs
Spider, Bentley was given a chance in the middle on Thurs and was woeful. The guy cant play anywhere apart from the right, and i think Lennon is ahead of him based on current form
mattspurs1982
Spider, Bentley was given a chance in the middle on Thurs and was woeful. The guy cant play anywhere apart from the right, and i think Lennon is ahead of him based on current form
mattspurs1982
because bentley is not a central midfielder. we bought him for his crossing and then sold the best header of the ball we had, berbatov!
ExiL
because bentley is not a central midfielder. we bought him for his crossing and then sold the best header of the ball we had, berbatov!
ExiL
I dont think Bentley can play in the middle, i would have been tempted to either drop bentley for Bale at LM and Lennon right, or try Bale/Ohara on left, Bentley on right and Lennon behind the front two linking Midfield and Pav - he is quick, has good stamina and can dribble it out and break quickly, he played in this role against Chelsea a couple of seasons back and looked great, he wouldnt be my preffered choice if Modric/ Jenas were available but i think he would play the role better then Bentley, KPB, etc. Plus his crossing is not great, bentley would be RM with his crossing ability, Pav as the target man and a natural left footer giving balance in Bale or Ohara.
Stupot87
I dont think Bentley can play in the middle, i would have been tempted to either drop bentley for Bale at LM and Lennon right, or try Bale/Ohara on left, Bentley on right and Lennon behind the front two linking Midfield and Pav - he is quick, has good stamina and can dribble it out and break quickly, he played in this role against Chelsea a couple of seasons back and looked great, he wouldnt be my preffered choice if Modric/ Jenas were available but i think he would play the role better then Bentley, KPB, etc. Plus his crossing is not great, bentley would be RM with his crossing ability, Pav as the target man and a natural left footer giving balance in Bale or Ohara.
Stupot87
Yes Stupot, i said on another thread about Lennon maybe playing in an advanced C/M role, and as you quiet rightly said, he has played the role before [chelsea]
Aussie'spur
Yes Stupot, i said on another thread about Lennon maybe playing in an advanced C/M role, and as you quiet rightly said, he has played the role before [chelsea]
Aussie'spur
Denboy RE Bent "There is something that is hard to describe in his play" its not that hard mate, and i think you know it, its just you like many dont really want to admit it, and that is pure & simple Darren Bent is not good enough, he looks lost out there, he has the touch of a rapist. Good forward play is about having good awareness, having good control, being able to create space for others as well as yourself, being able to exploit space created by others, apart from the last part they are all areas that he is poor in. My opinion only..
Aussie'spur
Denboy RE Bent "There is something that is hard to describe in his play" its not that hard mate, and i think you know it, its just you like many dont really want to admit it, and that is pure & simple Darren Bent is not good enough, he looks lost out there, he has the touch of a rapist. Good forward play is about having good awareness, having good control, being able to create space for others as well as yourself, being able to exploit space created by others, apart from the last part they are all areas that he is poor in. My opinion only..
Aussie'spur
Harry might have got a few things wrong, but when he has lost his two best midfielders in JJ and Modric, we will always have problems. Look at the back up. Zokora, KPB, Ghaly, O'Hara, Hudd, not very inspireing is it. Simple we need first team signings in vital areas of the pitch, to compete in this league. GK, LB, CB, DM, CF, and possibly more. There is only so much Redknapp can do with that squad of players. Some of them quite clearly don't give a feck about our club, so they can all do one.
Real Deal
Harry might have got a few things wrong, but when he has lost his two best midfielders in JJ and Modric, we will always have problems. Look at the back up. Zokora, KPB, Ghaly, O'Hara, Hudd, not very inspireing is it. Simple we need first team signings in vital areas of the pitch, to compete in this league. GK, LB, CB, DM, CF, and possibly more. There is only so much Redknapp can do with that squad of players. Some of them quite clearly don't give a feck about our club, so they can all do one.
Real Deal
We're now down to only having our 4th choice striker, as a show of how *****ed we are I wouldn't even be able to name your 4th choice striker after Bent, Pav and Campbel. On the game itself I thought Pavlychencko looked lost, and Bent did nothing of note the entire game. Was a bit disappointed that Gomes played well, had hoped for a few cock ups by him. Game could of gone either way, we had no strikers left and your pair were *****e, so it was always going to be a midfield battle. Which we were always going to win with 5 against 4. I'm still pretty certain spurs will end up top10 though.
EvertonMike
We're now down to only having our 4th choice striker, as a show of how *****ed we are I wouldn't even be able to name your 4th choice striker after Bent, Pav and Campbel. On the game itself I thought Pavlychencko looked lost, and Bent did nothing of note the entire game. Was a bit disappointed that Gomes played well, had hoped for a few cock ups by him. Game could of gone either way, we had no strikers left and your pair were *****e, so it was always going to be a midfield battle. Which we were always going to win with 5 against 4. I'm still pretty certain spurs will end up top10 though.
EvertonMike
Evertonmike, you cant name our 4th choice striker, not surprising really as we dont f*****g have one lol. The only 4th striker weve got is currently playing at Southampton on loan [Pekart]
Aussie'spur
Evertonmike, you cant name our 4th choice striker, not surprising really as we dont f*****g have one lol. The only 4th striker weve got is currently playing at Southampton on loan [Pekart]
Aussie'spur
Think harry had few options with jenas and mod out yesterday. Maybe KPB might have been worth a gamble but thats what it wud of been. I'd maybe have gone with o.hara on the left as bentley seems useless if he's not on the right and on current form lennon deserves to start there. Hopefully mod n jj will be back by next weekend to sure up our midfield n in the mean time i'd start KPB on wednesday to see what he's made of.
MJBSpur
Think harry had few options with jenas and mod out yesterday. Maybe KPB might have been worth a gamble but thats what it wud of been. I'd maybe have gone with o.hara on the left as bentley seems useless if he's not on the right and on current form lennon deserves to start there. Hopefully mod n jj will be back by next weekend to sure up our midfield n in the mean time i'd start KPB on wednesday to see what he's made of.
MJBSpur
it still amazes me that we once had defoe, keane, mido, berbatov and keane on our books, and now we're left with rubbish. Bring back Teddy.... or even chris armstrong!
mattspurs1982
it still amazes me that we once had defoe, keane, mido, berbatov and keane on our books, and now we're left with rubbish. Bring back Teddy.... or even chris armstrong!
mattspurs1982
Or Alfie Conn
Aussie'spur
Or Alfie Conn
Aussie'spur
Bang on about Benty, Aussie'spur. As one-dimensional a striker as there is and he has my heart broken.
jonathanhotspur
Bang on about Benty, Aussie'spur. As one-dimensional a striker as there is and he has my heart broken.
jonathanhotspur
i said earlier on another post do not play bently on right just to accomadate him, its pointless dint ramos play him there?. lennon an bently for RW. one play an other on bench
123spurs
i said earlier on another post do not play bently on right just to accomadate him, its pointless dint ramos play him there?. lennon an bently for RW. one play an other on bench
123spurs
Real Deal, a succession of managers have come (and gone). and to be fair to Mr Levy he has pretty much backed them to the hilt. He has sanctioned millions and millions to buy players he was advised as being top quality, and just what was needed to achieve the step up to Champions League. In all honesty the board can't be blamed for the non performance of the team, and before anything is said about selling our best players we should all understand when a player decides he wants to go he's going to go no matter what. The players we currently retain are players that management wanted. If Mr Redknapp decides to buy certain players and he leaves the club in 2 or 3 years what happens then, another new man with other plans and ideas as to who he wants at the club. It's a never ending merry go round with the board spending more and more 'til in the end we run out of money. Unless we achieve our goal, Champions League, and then go on and sustain that position, like Man Utd season after season, the financial benefits that go with it are missing to us.
denboy
Real Deal, a succession of managers have come (and gone). and to be fair to Mr Levy he has pretty much backed them to the hilt. He has sanctioned millions and millions to buy players he was advised as being top quality, and just what was needed to achieve the step up to Champions League. In all honesty the board can't be blamed for the non performance of the team, and before anything is said about selling our best players we should all understand when a player decides he wants to go he's going to go no matter what. The players we currently retain are players that management wanted. If Mr Redknapp decides to buy certain players and he leaves the club in 2 or 3 years what happens then, another new man with other plans and ideas as to who he wants at the club. It's a never ending merry go round with the board spending more and more 'til in the end we run out of money. Unless we achieve our goal, Champions League, and then go on and sustain that position, like Man Utd season after season, the financial benefits that go with it are missing to us.
denboy
From what I saw it didn't look like we played badly, more than Everton sat on the 1-0. The goal was lucky as well. Great save from Howard from Pav. We do miss Modric a lot. He is great in that free role. We tried Bentley in there but it didn't work. Lennon can be useful in there. This would be a perfect time for Gio to shine as well. Shame. We miss JJ's energy as well. And did anyone see KPB's flick on header?? He seemed to jump about 12ft in the air! I think our best team when fit looks like Gomes - Corluka, King, Woody, Ekotto - Bentley, Huddlestone, JJ, Lennon - Modric - Bent. Modric bridges that gap between the midfield and attack really well and frees up space for players like Lennon and Jenas to get forward and help out.
Eemton
From what I saw it didn't look like we played badly, more than Everton sat on the 1-0. The goal was lucky as well. Great save from Howard from Pav. We do miss Modric a lot. He is great in that free role. We tried Bentley in there but it didn't work. Lennon can be useful in there. This would be a perfect time for Gio to shine as well. Shame. We miss JJ's energy as well. And did anyone see KPB's flick on header?? He seemed to jump about 12ft in the air! I think our best team when fit looks like Gomes - Corluka, King, Woody, Ekotto - Bentley, Huddlestone, JJ, Lennon - Modric - Bent. Modric bridges that gap between the midfield and attack really well and frees up space for players like Lennon and Jenas to get forward and help out.
Eemton
I do think we play better currently with just either Pav or Bent up on his own - mainly because if they are playing rubbish they have the other one as a ready made replacement on the bench! Also with the personnel we have at present in midfield available to us I would have had O'Hara on left and Bentley or even KPB (He played some reserves matches there I think and didn't do too bad from all accounts) in the hole supporting lone striker. Also talking of support stikers the Heskey rumours are picking up pace and I'm not sure if that is the right way forward! Also some disturbing rumours about that muppet Gallas have surfaced which surely can't be true....
Danny_yid
I do think we play better currently with just either Pav or Bent up on his own - mainly because if they are playing rubbish they have the other one as a ready made replacement on the bench! Also with the personnel we have at present in midfield available to us I would have had O'Hara on left and Bentley or even KPB (He played some reserves matches there I think and didn't do too bad from all accounts) in the hole supporting lone striker. Also talking of support stikers the Heskey rumours are picking up pace and I'm not sure if that is the right way forward! Also some disturbing rumours about that muppet Gallas have surfaced which surely can't be true....
Danny_yid
Gallas won't be coming, no need to worry about that pathetic rumour.
Real Deal
Gallas won't be coming, no need to worry about that pathetic rumour.
Real Deal
denboy, understand where your coming from but it was Mr Levy that backed a pathetic DOF structure that was never going to work and took seven years to realise it actually didn't work. Levy is the main reason we are in this mess in the first place. But that is a different arguement all together. My point is Harry needs time to get in a few players who will make a difference on and off the pitch.
Real Deal
denboy, understand where your coming from but it was Mr Levy that backed a pathetic DOF structure that was never going to work and took seven years to realise it actually didn't work. Levy is the main reason we are in this mess in the first place. But that is a different arguement all together. My point is Harry needs time to get in a few players who will make a difference on and off the pitch.
Real Deal
sorry ment left**
123spurs
sorry ment left**
123spurs
Everton played some good football in the first half whilst we were hell bent on turning into Wimbledon. However, as soon as they got the goal - they turned into a Scouse version of Aston Villa - drab personified. As for Bent. The system didnt suit him. Hes missing Modric and his decent supply chain of through balls.
SpursLeftWinger
Everton played some good football in the first half whilst we were hell bent on turning into Wimbledon. However, as soon as they got the goal - they turned into a Scouse version of Aston Villa - drab personified. As for Bent. The system didnt suit him. Hes missing Modric and his decent supply chain of through balls.
SpursLeftWinger
His magic can disappear as easily as it appears but no doubt HR will bring the best out of what you have in the long run.
storagematt
His magic can disappear as easily as it appears but no doubt HR will bring the best out of what you have in the long run.
storagematt
Redknapp has come in and will save us but for me its is the board's fault. The whole idea with the DoF was that manager's come and go - surely this is totally the WRONG attitude to have. Redknapp is now 61 so the idea he might manage into his 70s is unrealistic. People mention Wenger's 12years at Arsenal or Ferguson's 22years at Manchester United, but even Moyes has been at Everton for 6 years being appointed when Hoddle was manager. And I am not talking about the idea of Ramos should have been given more time - his appointment was the typical DoF/quick fix with the expectation of instant success and too many cooks involved. We need to be looking at the same time as opening the new stadium to appoint a manager who not only has a track record of reasonable success, be it managing in England, or having manager is more than one country in Europe, but to give the role to a manager who wants and demands 100% control including XI, overseeing scouting, reserves, academy, even the colour of paint in the changing rooms ... only by taking the time to find this man, can we ever hope to build a club - not just a team but a whole philosophy from tea lady to chairman.
Kernowboy71
Redknapp has come in and will save us but for me its is the board's fault. The whole idea with the DoF was that manager's come and go - surely this is totally the WRONG attitude to have. Redknapp is now 61 so the idea he might manage into his 70s is unrealistic. People mention Wenger's 12years at Arsenal or Ferguson's 22years at Manchester United, but even Moyes has been at Everton for 6 years being appointed when Hoddle was manager. And I am not talking about the idea of Ramos should have been given more time - his appointment was the typical DoF/quick fix with the expectation of instant success and too many cooks involved. We need to be looking at the same time as opening the new stadium to appoint a manager who not only has a track record of reasonable success, be it managing in England, or having manager is more than one country in Europe, but to give the role to a manager who wants and demands 100% control including XI, overseeing scouting, reserves, academy, even the colour of paint in the changing rooms ... only by taking the time to find this man, can we ever hope to build a club - not just a team but a whole philosophy from tea lady to chairman.
Kernowboy71
For me, the most interesting game coming up will be the visit of Spartak. They are now managed by Michael Laudrup, who in seven games in charge, has turned round their form getting 14pts from 7games, where previously they'd got 30pts from 23games, despite not being able to sign any new players and losing their No1 star Pavlychenko. Having succeeded in Denmark with Scandinavian players and then doing very well at Getafe with Spanish and South American players, he's now doing the same in Russia with a majority Russian/Eastern European squad. In 18months his contract will be up and he'll be 46. His performance as a manager has a similarity to a certain manager down the road, and whilst I have complete respect for Harry, I think at the end of this season and then the 2009-10 season, we will need to ask how much is left in the tank. For me, I think we will need to seriously consider bringing in someone who is young enough to commit for a decade, build a club through all levels, and has been successful in a number of countries, because unfortunately I don't think there are comparable British managers around. Whilst Harry signed a 4year deal we cannot afford WHL to be a retirement home.
Kernowboy71
For me, the most interesting game coming up will be the visit of Spartak. They are now managed by Michael Laudrup, who in seven games in charge, has turned round their form getting 14pts from 7games, where previously they'd got 30pts from 23games, despite not being able to sign any new players and losing their No1 star Pavlychenko. Having succeeded in Denmark with Scandinavian players and then doing very well at Getafe with Spanish and South American players, he's now doing the same in Russia with a majority Russian/Eastern European squad. In 18months his contract will be up and he'll be 46. His performance as a manager has a similarity to a certain manager down the road, and whilst I have complete respect for Harry, I think at the end of this season and then the 2009-10 season, we will need to ask how much is left in the tank. For me, I think we will need to seriously consider bringing in someone who is young enough to commit for a decade, build a club through all levels, and has been successful in a number of countries, because unfortunately I don't think there are comparable British managers around. Whilst Harry signed a 4year deal we cannot afford WHL to be a retirement home.
Kernowboy71
first and formost, we need to play players in there best positions, it seems harry is trying to keep both lennon and bentley happy. if ohara and bale played down the left it would of been a different game imo neways
marktheyid
first and formost, we need to play players in there best positions, it seems harry is trying to keep both lennon and bentley happy. if ohara and bale played down the left it would of been a different game imo neways
marktheyid
I guess we will get at least next season out of Harry and depending on his success I expect to get another after that. So this season for survival and two more seasons then unless we are on verge of CL I expect him to go! I like Harry but unsure of how he is going to make us anything more than a top 8 club! I eagerly wait and see what he does in the transfer window and a full season next year. I do think he made mistakes yesterday, he should have either played lennon or Bentley on right, O'Hara or Bale on left and three in midfield or he could have used Lennon in Modrics position, he needed to play five midfield and he opted out and four midfield is not strong enough especially against Everton who are really hardworking in midfield. I hope he realises this and starts to play to our strenghts. Meanwhile I agree with regards to bent there is something about the lad that just doesn't 'fit' and it's hard to describe but IMO he isn't good enough, the PL is getting stronger and has improved from two seasons ago and the likes of Bent haven't improved enough. IMO the quality and intensity of the PL is increasing every year and a player that shined two years ago can easily be an average player now if they don't grow at the same rate as the PL is growing and I'm affraid this is what I feel has happend with Bent.
loz
I guess we will get at least next season out of Harry and depending on his success I expect to get another after that. So this season for survival and two more seasons then unless we are on verge of CL I expect him to go! I like Harry but unsure of how he is going to make us anything more than a top 8 club! I eagerly wait and see what he does in the transfer window and a full season next year. I do think he made mistakes yesterday, he should have either played lennon or Bentley on right, O'Hara or Bale on left and three in midfield or he could have used Lennon in Modrics position, he needed to play five midfield and he opted out and four midfield is not strong enough especially against Everton who are really hardworking in midfield. I hope he realises this and starts to play to our strenghts. Meanwhile I agree with regards to bent there is something about the lad that just doesn't 'fit' and it's hard to describe but IMO he isn't good enough, the PL is getting stronger and has improved from two seasons ago and the likes of Bent haven't improved enough. IMO the quality and intensity of the PL is increasing every year and a player that shined two years ago can easily be an average player now if they don't grow at the same rate as the PL is growing and I'm affraid this is what I feel has happend with Bent.
loz
I think Harry will give us some stability and get the most out of the squad without demanding huge sums of money. Maybe the right guy in a recession but not going to get us to CL football. Agree loz that he made mistakes yesterday and must go back to his original simple plan of putting the best players out, in their best positions. Sure he is really hampered by losing Modric but needs to have a plan 'B'. I do think he will try to address one or two of our obvious, to all fans, weaknesses in the transer window. What is making things hard for him is the very poor form of Bentley and Bale - no matter where they play.
Forever Spurs
I think Harry will give us some stability and get the most out of the squad without demanding huge sums of money. Maybe the right guy in a recession but not going to get us to CL football. Agree loz that he made mistakes yesterday and must go back to his original simple plan of putting the best players out, in their best positions. Sure he is really hampered by losing Modric but needs to have a plan 'B'. I do think he will try to address one or two of our obvious, to all fans, weaknesses in the transer window. What is making things hard for him is the very poor form of Bentley and Bale - no matter where they play.
Forever Spurs
I have never really rated Bentley and I didn't want us to spend that much money on him I really don't think he is worth it and although he has some good qualities he is not outstanding. Now we seem to be trying to accommodate him and lennon, which is weird as I thought Bentley was bought in to take over form the poor performing lennon of last season! Now Lennon as upped his game we are trying to play both, let them fight it out and send a message across the whole of the team. Same goes for Bale and Eckotto, O'Hara and Santos when fit for the left side and JJ, Hudd and Zakora in midfild, its like watching the old England regime where the manager is trying to accommodate players instead of making them fight for their place.
loz
I have never really rated Bentley and I didn't want us to spend that much money on him I really don't think he is worth it and although he has some good qualities he is not outstanding. Now we seem to be trying to accommodate him and lennon, which is weird as I thought Bentley was bought in to take over form the poor performing lennon of last season! Now Lennon as upped his game we are trying to play both, let them fight it out and send a message across the whole of the team. Same goes for Bale and Eckotto, O'Hara and Santos when fit for the left side and JJ, Hudd and Zakora in midfild, its like watching the old England regime where the manager is trying to accommodate players instead of making them fight for their place.
loz
I never saw what people were raving about with Bentley, so limited he makes Beckham look like Pele. BAE is more reliable than Bale, Lennon better than Bentley, Pav better in a 4-5-1 than Bent, O'Hara limited but at least left footed and he has a go. Yes Harry has to make them all compete and they should all be up for it. Talked with some ex pros recently and they blamed the players attitude more than JR for the mess we got into!
Forever Spurs
I never saw what people were raving about with Bentley, so limited he makes Beckham look like Pele. BAE is more reliable than Bale, Lennon better than Bentley, Pav better in a 4-5-1 than Bent, O'Hara limited but at least left footed and he has a go. Yes Harry has to make them all compete and they should all be up for it. Talked with some ex pros recently and they blamed the players attitude more than JR for the mess we got into!
Forever Spurs
Loz, as long as Harry makes us a top 16 club his season that will do for starters. It is premature in the extreme to talk about top 8. Since we were a top 5 club, we have gone backwards in leaps and bounds, whilst a host of clubs have progressed and overtaken us. We have long, long, long, road back to even where we were 2&3 sasons ago. It may take major surgery, heartache, and controversy in the transfer market starting in January to get us back up there with the big guns.
Frank
Loz, as long as Harry makes us a top 16 club his season that will do for starters. It is premature in the extreme to talk about top 8. Since we were a top 5 club, we have gone backwards in leaps and bounds, whilst a host of clubs have progressed and overtaken us. We have long, long, long, road back to even where we were 2&3 sasons ago. It may take major surgery, heartache, and controversy in the transfer market starting in January to get us back up there with the big guns.
Frank
as soon as i saw zokora playing i picked a 1-0 win for everton. Id like to know if weve ever won a game with Hud and zokora playing in a 4-4-2, cos I dont reckon we have, they do not work together, O'hara every time for me, not sure we would have won tho even then, without Jenas the midfield is lost, and anyone who disagrees can feel free to give me an example of a game where the midfield (or even the team) played well in the last 3 years, and he wasnt in it.
Joshtottenham
as soon as i saw zokora playing i picked a 1-0 win for everton. Id like to know if weve ever won a game with Hud and zokora playing in a 4-4-2, cos I dont reckon we have, they do not work together, O'hara every time for me, not sure we would have won tho even then, without Jenas the midfield is lost, and anyone who disagrees can feel free to give me an example of a game where the midfield (or even the team) played well in the last 3 years, and he wasnt in it.
Joshtottenham
Kern, very interesting posts as always. I agree, that we need a manager for the long duration. But Redders was always brought in for a 4 of seasons only anyway. Think Levy believes he is the man to build some solid foundations, from top to bottom. When his 4 years is up, im confident we will be a consistant top 6 team, looking to break the top 4 again. If we are, then thats job done. People on here need to realise we are not a top 6 team anymore, far from it.
Real Deal
Kern, very interesting posts as always. I agree, that we need a manager for the long duration. But Redders was always brought in for a 4 of seasons only anyway. Think Levy believes he is the man to build some solid foundations, from top to bottom. When his 4 years is up, im confident we will be a consistant top 6 team, looking to break the top 4 again. If we are, then thats job done. People on here need to realise we are not a top 6 team anymore, far from it.
Real Deal
Laudrup is a very intersting coach indeed. His record is very impressive. I know you rate him also.
Real Deal
Laudrup is a very intersting coach indeed. His record is very impressive. I know you rate him also.
Real Deal
Real Deal, I'd put the criteria as this. 1) Under 50 years of age - 2) Experience of more than one country, either as a manager or as a player - 3) known in footballing circles - 4) a willingness to assume complete control of all playing issues at a club - 5) a reputation for developing youth as much as spending money - 6) an ability to use and build with native players, not just wanting to bring in their old favourites or what I call lazy scouting - 7) fluency in English or an intensive willingness to speak the language - 8) a proven track record of managing on a limited budget as we'll have a lot of money going into the stadium. Not too much to ask for :)
Kernowboy71
Real Deal, I'd put the criteria as this. 1) Under 50 years of age - 2) Experience of more than one country, either as a manager or as a player - 3) known in footballing circles - 4) a willingness to assume complete control of all playing issues at a club - 5) a reputation for developing youth as much as spending money - 6) an ability to use and build with native players, not just wanting to bring in their old favourites or what I call lazy scouting - 7) fluency in English or an intensive willingness to speak the language - 8) a proven track record of managing on a limited budget as we'll have a lot of money going into the stadium. Not too much to ask for :)
Kernowboy71
Other than the age, you've just described Sir Arsene Wenger to a tee!
bseymour
Other than the age, you've just described Sir Arsene Wenger to a tee!
bseymour
I think you're right that the match was lost in midfield. Everton were very resolute, tough to compete against and break down. They will be hanging around the top four at the end of the season so if we the boys had nicked a draw, and there were some good chances too, it would have been a good result.
warner__
I think you're right that the match was lost in midfield. Everton were very resolute, tough to compete against and break down. They will be hanging around the top four at the end of the season so if we the boys had nicked a draw, and there were some good chances too, it would have been a good result.
warner__
Sadly Kern, when Harry leaves in 4 years, Laudrup would already have been be snapped up by the big guns!
Real Deal
Sadly Kern, when Harry leaves in 4 years, Laudrup would already have been be snapped up by the big guns!
Real Deal
I think Wenger built his reputation at Arsenal but wasn't really that well known before it, and was good but not spectacular at Monaco
Kernowboy71
I think Wenger built his reputation at Arsenal but wasn't really that well known before it, and was good but not spectacular at Monaco
Kernowboy71
Assuming Harry sees or is allowed to see out his contract. Anything could happen including a resurfacing of these police issues.
Kernowboy71
Assuming Harry sees or is allowed to see out his contract. Anything could happen including a resurfacing of these police issues.
Kernowboy71
Hudd and Bentley were truely woeful in this game. They were the two players on the field who should have been our creative forces but constantly conceded posession and never got the strikers in to the right positions. The midfield needed to be changed much sooner than it was and we ultimately paid the price
Dave the Yid
Hudd and Bentley were truely woeful in this game. They were the two players on the field who should have been our creative forces but constantly conceded posession and never got the strikers in to the right positions. The midfield needed to be changed much sooner than it was and we ultimately paid the price
Dave the Yid
No matter what system we play we have far far to many world class below average players in the team , even if we can`t attract world class players be it wages , be it transfer cost , be it that we are an average team at the bottom of the league , be it any reason , at least buy the best pemiership players at their true position , not cheap below average duffer`s like Jenas , O`Hara , Bentley , Ekotto , Zokora , Corluka , Bent and such some of these guys cost us a fortune and they will never get you into the top four let alone win the league .
POP
No matter what system we play we have far far to many world class below average players in the team , even if we can`t attract world class players be it wages , be it transfer cost , be it that we are an average team at the bottom of the league , be it any reason , at least buy the best pemiership players at their true position , not cheap below average duffer`s like Jenas , O`Hara , Bentley , Ekotto , Zokora , Corluka , Bent and such some of these guys cost us a fortune and they will never get you into the top four let alone win the league .
POP
 

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