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Levy shows his true colours.

Over recent years there have been many ill informed posts, on numerous internet sites, making derogatory remarks about our Chairman and how he is "milking" our Club to the detriment of our success both on and off the pitch.

Daniel Levy`s strategy has always been to ensure the investment into the playing squad was the main priority, followed by the Training Centre and then the Stadium.

Following the confirmation earlier this year how the club will fund the new development without incurring debt and also the announcement of record profits, it would be highly appropriate for the Directors to take a nice pay rise for all their efforts. Even more so as Levy had to put his hand into his own pocket to help underwrite the recent shares issue.

How many would be surprised to know that Daniel Levy and our FD have taken a pay CUT of 32.5%? And there will be no dividend payments this year.

How many other Chairmen would show such commitment?

Written by GilzeanIsKing



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Date:Tuesday November 17 2009

Time: 6:22PM

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Sadly this isnt something that will be widely promoted within the media as is doesnt portray levy and co in a negative manner. I have always been a fan of Levy and thing he has done far more good that bad for our club. Levy has always indicated that he is with us for the long term and has put his own money where his mouth is. Sure if and when he sells the club he will stand to make a lot of money, but for this there has to be success on the pitch as well as a good balance sheet. I have no problem with levy making big money when he does eventually sell, lets face it it is a very risky business buying into a football club, for every Daniel Levy there are plenty more Mike Ashleys who stand to lose millions.
oxfordspur
It is a blessing we have such a commited chairman who beleives in the future of Spurs. Alot of bad critisicm has come from Spurs fans about our Manager,Team etc but we have a tremendous amount to be proud of. COYS!
Mix26
He should take 100% pay cut and do it for the love of the club I would!
cockeril
Fantastic job by a fantastic chairman. Agree ox this will not be widely documented as it does not make happy reading for the anti spurs brigade. This won't matter to him though - he is a man with a vision.
TornadoYid
I Love Levy, best Chairman In The Premier League :D:D
spurs4evaa
any spurs fan who does not like/appreciate levy is simply an idiot!!! the man is brilliant!
stuboi10
F*** me his better then sugar anyway!
liamyid
Levy has won the carling cup. Sugar won the carling cup. Levy is a whole stadium behind: Nothumberland Park is way, way off. Sugar ordered the seats you sit in and built the modern white hart lane you dream off. Under Sugar mangers came and went. Under Levy mangers came and went.I'm always sceptical when i hear anyone in football profess 'a love for any club'. The fans love the club; those who are paid should get on with their jobs. Of course, i agree that on the whole the football has been far better to watch under Levy and he doesn't come across as a complete *****, which helps. Just thought you might like to consider those facts for a moment
jinkin jimmy dimmock
was it not sugar who won us a FA cup in 91 after getting us reinstated? Sugar saved our club and was a good chairman ok made a few errors he is only human ... Levy loves the club, but even if he does not, as long as he does it for the spurs I will be happy long he may be at the helm!! Levy has progressed our club well and is slowly going to get a bigger and better club in whole
E17YID
This is outrageous, Jeeves for breakfast I shall have Egg, Bacon & Levvy's head please! :P
stu_u2k
I didn'tlikeLevy at first and I think he has made some awful decisions and the whole circus surrounding Ramos and the sacking of Jol still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. However, my feelings chnged when he got rid of Ramos and the rest, broke the DOF system and brought in Harry. It proved to me that he can be ruthless when needed and does everything for the best interest of the club. Unfortunately his judgment and tactics were appauling over Jol and Ramos even though I think he thought sacking jol was for the benefit of the club and saw Ramos as the person to take us to the next level, how wrong he was at that time. Levy isn't all roses and he obviously has a nasty streak in the way he persued Ramos and lied about doing so and how he treated Jol but he is a hard business man which means he has got gooddeals from fergie with regards to Berby, Carrick etc but he has missed out by being 'tight' at wrong times, ie) Arshavin! On balance I think he does love the club and he does want to try and bring success at the lane and develop us but his impatience, decision making and sometimes ruthless streak can create havoc at times but at other times it works in our favour. Overall, now I am happy to have Levy on board and have warmed to him but I am still upset about how he treated Jol, he didn't deserve it and I do sometimes worry about his decision making and his sometimes impatience! On a final note I would rather have him here than be taken over by a multi billionairre who we know nothing about. I want players to play forus becuase they want to and not becuase we can pay them mega pounds which would be the case if someone came in and took us over. Happy for him to stay and continue doing as he does and if he sells and makes a profit then fair enough as long as it doesn't leave us in the *****ttt!
loz
We are owned by a billionaire we know nothing about. His name is Joe Lewis. Levy is his front man.
lordjohnny
Spurs are a business and Levy is a business man end off nothing else just a business man rememver that when he sells us to the highest bidder. He is ok nothing more and jinkin makes some valid points.
cockeril
By front man I mean Levy is the public face of Enic, who own Spurs, and of which he is a director and shareholder, and Lewis who does not have a high public profile, and maintains his privacy.
lordjohnny
jinkin may or may not make valid points, he was simply responding to the suggestion that Levy is better or worse than sugar, which is to completely ignore the thrust of the article. While Levy does not technically own spurs he is the chairman of ENIC as a whole and chairman of the club itself, to dismiss him as a front man is simply wrong. He has run our club relatively well in real world terms, and pretty amazingly in footballing terms - nearly every other club is up to their eyes in debt, and the pay cut shows that he is serious about running the club properly - not just creaming off as much as he can. Will he sell the club? probably, isnt this what most fans want anyway, some middle eastern billionaire? people are mixed up in their criticism, surely a chairman who really loved the club would sell it if an owner came along who could take the club further? im not arguing whether he does or doesnt 'love' the club, thats irrelevant, just pointing out that this kind of criticism doesnt make sense. Is he ruthless, yes - we would not have a southgate situation here, and the way Jol was treated was ridiculous. That said, the way that Jol prepared (or didnt, as it were) the squad properly for the season was also ridiculous. Its easy with hindsight to dismiss the Ramos decision but at the time he was an up and coming manager rapidly gaining a reputation - in many ways exactly what we were looking for. He always gets good deals for players being sold. The Arshavin deal we look at again with the benefit of hindsight - he was a 28year old Russian unproven at this level and as I understand they kept messing the club around and increasing the price as soon as a deal was thought to have been reached. The last no.s I saw quoted were about 10m higher than what arsenal paid for him. To bail on the deal under those circumstances sounds like a good decision to me - too much of a gamble. Last point - I always wonder if he would take so much stick for 'being tight' (which is *********, hes poured money into the club) if he wasnt Jewish.
Joshtottenham
looonnnnnnng, sorry
Joshtottenham
thanks for the article and it's good news, to hear anything these days about people who could but aren't sticking their nose in the trough is a relief and am glad it's at our club. i'd much rather enic, however 'private' joe lewis is, than the chuckle brothers at united or sooty and sweep at liverpool
paddyspur
I meant front man in terms of him being the public face of Enic. I agree that the figures are impressive especially compared with other Premiership clubs. Also I think the future plans are to be commended, more so because the club is not moving and greater emphasis has been placed on the fan experience at the proposed new stadium. All credit to them for that. And after years of putting up with the s*******ing from N5 about boardroom turmoil, it is nice to have a period of stability while they are experiencing an old style Cold War stand off between Kranky and Usmanov.
lordjohnny
no doubt he has done great for the club, but i think he should be more demanding towards the players, the money we have spent an players we have (mostley internationls), we still find it hard to balence the team with signings an, youth players. with all the hype an talk, nothing more then 6th is a must. simply as
123spurs
Mazeltov to all the yids!!! Levy is doing a great job.Its some of the managers and others who havent bought wisely enough but from a purely financial perspective Levy has done a great job considering all the football mavens who have made so many mistakes.
ronwol
*less then 6th
123spurs
he is the reason why we should always be a threat in the top 4...the future looks bright...He is beginning to wake up the sleeping giant
Daz Hotspurs
Sugar did the club well, he bailed us out when we needed it. For a successful business man he failed at Spurs as he and his family were fans first. He made many bad decisions but most of those were on the advice of his experts. He was made out to be the devil in the end and we treated him awful. He helped to bridge the deal that ENIC put in place by being fair with them and helping with the sale. Despite the way the fans treated him he still comes and watches, he is still passionate about Spurs. Levy is a great chairman, I hated the way he treated Jol but last season he had the balls to stand up and say "You know what we have done things wrong here, we are going back to being a proper English club with a Manager and getting rid of the European structure". Yes they've been tight with signings but may be that's because we've had our fingers bitten paying 'big' money for the next big thing. How many of them have these new 'Zidane, Desailly etc..' broken the squad. I also think they are here for the longer term, or at least till we have the new stadium, training ground and champions league football. They will probably sell then and make big money, but eh we will be a proper top 4 club then so every cloud and all that!!
TamworthYid
Sugar did a better job at Spurs than people give him credit for, we were a shambles when he took over, Levy has been excellent. Most football fans don't understand how important the finances of a club are (unless you are Chelsea or Man City). A friend of mine is a Leeds fan, he will go into great detail on what happens to a club with an incompetent chairman. Personally I think the new stadium is vital for Spurs, without it we will never be able to compete with the top clubs.
jod
Levy has made good and bad decisions but within those decisions he has made us money and brought in a manager who has us compeating with the top 4, Yes the whole Jol situation was a joke but how much of that was down to comolli ? during his time here we have become the best run club in the premiership, Sugar bailed us out when we needed him but as he is a huge Spurs fan he didn't run the club aswell as he would of liked and had some terrible business with venables, When levy sells i hope it is to someone that has our best interests in mind
waztap
wow, that is goood
chappers
Well said Josh
Machineguncupid
So Levy does a good thing and all of a sudden its a comparison with Sugar! Why?
Jabberyid
I always thought Sugar did an amazing job at Spurs and part of that was to leave the club in capable hands. Venables did his best to make him look like the bad cop but I think eventually most people realised Sugar was genuine. Even when he stepped aside he still kept a financial share in the club as if to say he would step back in if we needed it. In Levy and ENIC he found the right team to steer the ship. What is a shame is all that investment that both chairmen supported hasn't got the results on the field that us fans deserve. A long list of poor manager appointments and a constant transfer policy that focused on quantity over quality. Surely Harry and Levy know now that the way forward is to only add proven top drawer players if they are available and otherwise sit on their wallets. Slightly concerned though that we're still buying too many average players.
muttley
If I had just read the above postings, with no connection with Spurs at all, I would believe that Levy wears his underpants outside his tights, and has a large "S" on his chest. For Christ's sake guys, he is a business man running a business. I would concede that financially he is doing a reasonable job, although his tenure has been remarkable for a lack of trophies, or on the pitch success. I also think that he appears to have become disliked by many in football who are involved in transfer dealings, this was almost certainly the reason for the Arshavin farce, whereby Arsenal got the player for considerably less than we had been quoted, and is one of the reasons for our negative persona in the media. I think Levy's biggest test is to come, will he and the ENIC board show the desire and committment to go to the next level i.e. CL etc building on our current position. This may well involve going into another ball-park regarding player signings, and salary levels, will him, and they be up for it.
Frank
Incidently I think I could live fairly comfortably on 68% of Levy's original salary, although it is fair to say he, and they, didnt have to do it, so the gesture is commendable.
Frank
Frank I think Levy is trying to get close with buying less than the best players on the market.He wont pay the wages.I think that he will if we can get closer but we have too many average players that cost too much.It would have been better we bought less players and bought better players and spent more on wages to get there. The way Levy is doing it is more difficult but financially better for the books in the short term. Do they go and buy A grade players and pay big wages to get to the CL? Its a bit of throwing the dice for all the marbles.Its a risky play for a more conservative businessman. But there are owners out there who do it.The Americans and Saudis have no problem.For the Americans its their style and for the Saudis the money means nothing.Levy has huge competition. Its bit of a crap shoot to go for it with such big money at stake but someone that loves Tottenham might splurge. Levy is a businessman first.The thing is that Tottenham will always be good with Levy when other teams like Man U and Liverpool may crash under the weight of their owners gambles.
ronwol
Frank on the money again not for the first time. To many fans are confusing Levy the business man with Levy a super hero Spurs man. Levy is simply a business man as his track record in football decisions have been close to shocking! It will be interesting to see if he is still a tight ass when the new stadium is built in terms of wages to get the best players. IMO Enic are getting ready to get the best price and even if Enic are in charge when the stadium is in operation we will still be buying the best of the rest players with wages to match. It`s all about the balance sheet and always has, Someone was spot on earlier Sugar deserves more credit he did a fantastic job when we were in big trouble and he selected Enic who are doing an ok job. We are a massively supported club with huge revenue it does not take a genius to make a profit.
cockeril
What a great Job Levy has! A dream job for any football fan! He runs a football club but does not own it! He gets a top 4/5 transfer fund to buy players and does not have to risk a single penny of his own personal money! Up until the appointment of Harry Levy choose to run the playing side as well as the admin side of the club. He personally instructed the purchase of many of the players at the club. Do any of you really believe Ramos bought Bentley? He probably had never even heard of him? Who bought Bent? It was levy of course! That's why he set up the director of football thing in the first place! The truth is Santini, Jol and Ramos did not control the purchasing and selling of players. Remember the famous Michael Carrick turning up on the training pitch story with Santini having no idea who he was. Levy bought Carrick and Levy choose to sale him when the price was right! Harry has been the first coach that levy has allowed to do his job properly and this only happend because Levy was *****ing it so badly last season about relegation! He had to agree to Harry's demands of being in charge of the playing personal out of pure fear of relegation because his own director of football thing had failed miserably! Now keep your hands off the playing side of the club Levy. Let Harry do his Job. Keep your Fantasy Football hands off him!!!
geoff stern
cockeril... you sound like a jelious *****.. never did like you.. levy has done a good job. you bang on about it doesnt take a genius to make a profit, im pretty sure you couldnt do it. plus there is more to it.. some off the players have baught have been amazing.. berba for 10 mil carrick 2.5 mil.. even big money spends like modric.. cracking player... ok pav 14 mil hasnt done it but he is not to know he wouldnt cut it... so just shut up u do my head in
ng9-yid
Ng9-yid I a so hurt as I was in love with you, Get over yourself!
cockeril
Some of the posts on here are unbelievable, even for an internet forum. Levy does not own any of the club? He owns just under 25% of THFC (29.41% of 85.5% of all shares). Levy has not put money into the Club? He has paid out over £38 million of his own money to buy the shares. The DOF role was already in place when Levy joined – Sugar brought in the role. Levy could not change it right away as ENIC did not have voting majority – when they got majority he changed the DOF to SD (whereby the manager had veto on players – the DOF said who came in and went out). Of course not everybody likes Levy but why spout crap about him? I had a bet about the response to this article and I lost. Even when the guy shows total commitment he still gets the boot put in.
GilzeanIsKing
38 million into a an investment you will look after it and thats why he so tight arsed and misses transfer targets and buys mediocre. The DOF was in place and we had one in Arnessen who knew what he was doing, then the chavs pinched him. Levy then employed a total fraudster who had no track record and the rest is history and a few managers later.....
cockeril
Cockeril - Arnesen knew what he was doing??? I almost wet myself on that one. Who did he bring from Europe of any note?? Zielgler, Atoube, Dervitte, Beriche??? What has he done at Chelsea other than land them in hot water and a transfer ban!!
TamworthYid
Lets be honest the money has always been there for new players under Levy, its the managers and Director of football to blame for us under acceiving in the past.....................
WestStandEnclosure
Cockeril - how many other PL teams have spent more on transfers than us over the last 8 years? Net or gross will do or preferably both figures. Also, how much do we pay in player wages compared to the other clubs? Out of the clubs that do pay more than us, how many of those clubs are in unsustainable debt?
GilzeanIsKing
Carrick, Dawson, Davis, Robinson, Mendes, Davids, Lennon, JJ, Berba, Steed, Chimbo.... there are a few bad and always are but his record is much better than DC and lets not forget this is the guy who discovered Ronaldo, Staam, RVN and Robben and off course Jol who has ben one of our most successful managers in a long time. We had a policy of buying young British talent if you remember and a few French that Santini.
cockeril
cockeril - that's me told - lol!!!
TamworthYid
How many other clubs out of the top 4 generate our income through gate receipts and merchandising GIK? Newcastle maybe can`t think of any others but I am sure with your financial skills and know how you will reveal............
cockeril
Surely we are doing something wrong GIK if we are spending shed loads of cash and still not achieving anything on the pitch of note? It`s tough but we need to move on to the next level of players and it will probably mean paying more on wages and now may be the time as we are 4th and look a better proposition.
cockeril
7 managers in 9 years....Has he got it right this time??? Let`s hope so!
cockeril
Cockeril - if it was purely down to money being spent then we would be at the top and in the CL. On paper it is easy that we find a manager that gels with a team - easy to suggest but desperatley hard to find as any club will testify (other than United and Arsenal). We can sit and argue all day long as to who is the best manager (you may recall that I always wanted Van Gaal but how am I to know that he would be any better than Ramos?) or the best players. Santini was the meant to be the next Messiah but who would have thought he would do a runner as he did? It is a total myth that we will not pay the right money for the right players - have you any idea what Edgar was on? Arshavin was NOT down to us - the fee was agreed and at the last minute the Russians put the price up and said all money up front - we could have met the deal but he never wanted to come to us - he always wanted to go to Arsenal - he now wants to go to Spain with the lower taxes - a real committed player. We also beat Liverpool's deal for Torres but he wanted to go there - if players won't come to us then there is not a lot we can do. It is not due to a lack of money for transfers, wages or the will to get these players - there is a belief amongst players generally that if you are not in a Sky 4 team then you have not made it - sad but true. We will shortly be offering the BEST training ground in Europe - the best stadium for atmosphere - all this and no debt. Do you think that the top players would come to us then if we are not in the Sky 4? It also needs a manager who knows the agents as those parasites have more and more power. There is going to be a huge change in players wages and although it will never be a complete level playing field it will make players look to thier surrounds as well as their bank account.
GilzeanIsKing
Totaly agree with your last post GIK not convinced we would offer the wages though. It is very dificult indeed and unles you have a billionaire arab backing you the best players will always want CL football right away.
cockeril
Also did Arse not get Arshavin for less than we offered them, Not sure it was the Russians it could as easily been Levy with his hardball negotiation...I wish he was a little more tight fisted with Zokora..
cockeril
Cockeril - yes, Arsneal did get him cheaper than we had agreed but by that time all negotiations were off. I can assure you 100% that wages will not be a problem for the right players as I know for certain what can be offered within the financial package from within the Tavistock Group (TG). We cannot get the top players as we are not seen as a top team - that is the only reason. Even with Redknapp's undoubted connections with agents, we will do well to secure a real top name. Saying that I believe that Modric was a real top name. TG can offer a financial package unrivalled by any other PL club e.g. luxurious (as in over £1 million property as the cheapest) in exclusive Tiger Woods/Ernie Els complexes in Florida, Bahamas or Jamaica. If a player was offered the same wages and the transfer fee was the same, would he like to have a signing on gift that would entail him to having Tiger as the golf pro on the doorstep of your luxurious home in paradise? We will try every trick in the book to get the right players but please dispel this long held belief that we will not pay the right money for the right player. Shirt sales for a top name would offset any large salaries as would any one of the 170 companies within TG that would sponsor a top name so that the player would get more money but not on our books.
GilzeanIsKing
I dont really care about comparing owners, IMO levy is doing a good job. He has manouvered the club in a position of huge porential both on and off the pitch. We are financially stable, have a good squad, 3 or 4 kids with huge potential, a few trophies and will soon have one of the best stadiums and training facilities in the prem, possibly even the world. Rome was not built in a day! It is much harder in this day and age to go from a mid table club to champions due to the financial rewards of CL football.
Tsunami
GIK I am aware Lewis is a Billionaire, If only he was as passionate as Spurs as we are he could buy any player in the world within reason. Does he not sit in his mansion in the Bahama's watching the Messie's and Ineista`s of this world and think...I am bored with JJ and Hudd.......If only! I know what you are saying fella but even though we are doing ok off pitch we should be doing better on it and Lewis can afford to gamble a little.
cockeril
Cockeril - Lewis is golf mad and does not care for football too much but as I said in previous post, IF it was down to money then we would get the right players as we could utilise the overall Group. As an example, Lewis would sanction 6 of TG companies to sponsor a player so that he would get a lot more than his salary was showing on the books of THFC. What has to be remembered is that legislation via UEFA will come into play within the next 3 years that will ensure that clubs will have to live within their means AND carry no debt (other than for infrastructure). By that time we will have matchday revenues in excess of £3 million (same as Arsenal). I can assure you that if, for example, we could get the likes of Kaka, Messi or Ronaldo and it was ONLY down to money then we would win and the deal would be done within hours. You have to remeber that Lewis and Levy only get the top price for thier investment when the club is doing well ON the pitch and to do that we need top players. Levy might be a lot of things but stupid he ain't and his whole investment into THFC is in a trust for his kids future so he will ensure that he gets top dollar. People of my age that were around in 1961 and grew up as Spurs being a TOP team find it very hard to accept that we can no longer attract the top players purely by being Spurs - I can remember our breaking the transfer record a few times - Greaves, Chivers, Peters etc. - the top players WANTED to to come to us. Sadly, we no longer have that appeal so we have to try harder in other ways. It is just not correct, at any level, to blame lack of money for our ills. Picking the wrong manager can be rightly laid at our door but who was to know that Santini and Ramos were not to be the real deal. Levy is in charge so he has to take the rap for that but he hardly meant to pick the wrong guy - he has 38 million reasons why we have to be successful on the pitch.
GilzeanIsKing
Great stuff GIK and very informative, Thats great news and I was not aware of the legislation and may actually mean we can overtake Le Arse and be up there with the best of them.
cockeril
You have a good appreciation of the financials GIK and your analysis is usually pretty objective. But I wonder whether there is any concern at all that the record profit made is really only on the basis of intangible assets (essentially the value of player contracts) doubling over the previous year? It's a staggeringly high amount to carry on the balance sheet relative to the equity in the club while at the same time total liabilities have increased by £55m over the previous year. This leaves the club with a nett worth, heavily reliant on intangibles, of a modest £62m. I would have thought that the financial fundamentals were really rather thin.
Amos.
Amos – The Club does not rely upon player trading to trade profitably – the last financial year was exceptional and the player trading profits came mainly from Berbatov (£23.4 m profit) and Keane (profit of £17.5 m). As with any business the KPI include operating profit (£18.4 m) which we have always been in a healthy state. With regards to your comments regarding players contracts, these are shown as amortisation costs and there has been no increase year on year - £37.3 m in the last financial year which is exactly the same as the previous financial year. I do not recognise your figures as the significant investments the Club has continued to make over the past twelve months in the Northumberland Development Project, the new Training Centre and the playing squad account for the major movements in the balance sheet. As a result, property, plant and equipment have increased from £74.1m to £103.3m and intangible assets have more than doubled from £62.4m to £128.4m. The Group now has total assets of almost £300m. In short, exceptional items either positive or negative does not concern the Club in any way over the short term. The continuing investment for players (which will include part of the player trading profit for the latest financial year) will be taken from cash flow – the costs for the training centre has already been brought into the accounts and has been ringfenced for some time – the stadium complex will be financed by various funding vehicles already announced which will have no negative impact on the overall business in any way. There is no requirement from TG for THFC to make any kind of profit in the short term as the Club is increasing its assets – as long as the cash flow stays strong for investment into the playing squad then the capital ventures with the infrastructure will be running parallel. The bottom line is that after the completion of the complex THFC will be completely debt free which will include our current minimal debt. Personally, I hope that we make an overall loss (not operating profit) of up to £5 million p.a. for the next 3 years – why make the taxman smile at our expense?
GilzeanIsKing
That all makes sense GIK. I don't doubt that the club is financially healthy. I am not sure that you have really explained the increase in intangibles which are notoriously difficult for outsiders to value - that's why they are 'intangible' I suppose. I follow the amortisation and impairment charges as you point out but it looks to me that squad value - compared to previous years - is more than fully valued and could lead to bigger writedowns and reduced prospect of profit on player trading. It won't matter greatly if the path you indicate is followed successfully but the figures still look a little bloated to me and nett debt, though still comparatively modest, has trebled over the year. Isn't this likely to increase significantly over the investment program before generating the revenues to pay it down over time? That's got to impose some restrictions though at least the board have taken their responsibilities seriously enough to cancel the dividend this year.
Amos.
welcome back GIK, please post more as i love your insight to the financial side in a way i understand.... long live GIK!!
whitey0372
Amos – the profit for player trading is directly linked to the amortisation costs as the value of each transfer is amortised over the length of that player’s contract e.g. if we bought a player for £20 million and he had a 5 year contract then his “value” to the club would be amortised over the length of the 5 year contract thus after 4 years his “value” to the club would be £4 million and anything over that figure we get would be “profit”. That is why the amortisation costs are the only real way to work out the “value” of the squad as that is their worth to the accounts – other valuations of the playing squad can only be used for insurance purposes – I would only ever value any playing squad via the amortisation costs as that is what their value is to the accounts. At 30 June 2009 the Group had £64.5m (2008: £84.1m) of undrawn committed bank borrowing facilities and this will be used primarily to purchase the remaining properties within the footprint of the new development. The funding vehicles being used for the development will not negatively impact the running of the business but certainly for the next 2 years we will use up that borrowing facility so debt will increase so the timing of the funding vehicles will be paramount and this area is well in hand. It sounds as if you are unaware of the funding vehicles so let me remind you that it consists of 3 definite vehicles and a possible fourth – 1. The Club’s own finances and raised capital (share issue underwritten by ENIC); 2. Receipts from supporting development (sale/lease of supermarket, hotel and 434 houses, maisonettes and apartments – either as land with full planning permission or the finished product); 3. Sponsorship, including revenue for the naming rights for the new stadium. A possible 4th vehicle is http://seatrights.com/ - the build cost for the stadium itself is +/- £250 million and it is thought that a sponsorship deal including naming rights should cater for vast majority, if not all, of that figure. The remaining receipts will clear any and all debts from THFC balance sheet. The shares issue will be the last (hopefully) vehicle to come on stream as by that time the shortfall (if any) from sponsorship and sale receipts will be known. The strategy is to ensure any debt is turned into equity thus leaving THFC with a new stadium, training centre and (hopefully) a worthy playing squad – all future increased revenues will be paramount in our competing with the best in Europe. Projected figures are looking at £50 million for a shares issue – the seat rights plan could go a way to reduce that amount but initial feedback from fans is not positive so the seat rights plan might not be used. The TG has its own merchant banking company so short term finance will not be a problem but we do like to stand alone. Personally, I feel that we could go into debt to the tune of £100 million for a very short period of time but as previously posted, TG has no problem with investments into assets. The main point made by both TG and THFC is that investment into the playing squad is number one priority – getting the right players to come to us is another question but nevertheless the funds will be available both in transfer fees and wages. One thing is certain and that is by 2014 (hopefully 2013) we will have a new stadium, the best training centre in Europe and no debt – what happens in the interim vis a vis the accounts is not a priority on the proviso that we stay in the PL. Incidentally (not that it matters), are you a Spurs fan?
GilzeanIsKing
Cockeril – may I try and allay your fears over wages for players? First of all there has never been a cap on wages since ENIC took control – there has always been a wage budget which was set at between 45% and 50% of T/O – anything over 50% had to be cleared by TG (Lewis) and he would go up to 55% but it was never used. However, the last financial year saw the % go to 53.5% and as soon as the green light is given for planning permission for stadium then that % against current T/O will go haywire as the % for wage budget will be based on forecast revenue from new gate receipts so expect the wage bill to go considerably higher next season IF required. When the new stadium is all complete, the wage budget will revert to maximum of 50% of T/O – any club has to have a strict % wage budget (just ask West Ham or Newcastle). Our T/O will be in the region of £170 million in the new stadium (without CL football) so we will be able to compete with every club on wages, especially as UEFA will curb the excesses of the likes of Man City etc. When that happens, there will be nothing left for you to moan about!!! Or have I spoken too soon???
GilzeanIsKing
Hey GilzeanisKing, You say "One thing is certain and that is by 2014 (hopefully 2013) we will have a new stadium, the best training centre in Europe and no debt! But not a word about Champions league Football or silver ware. You sum up the concept of the current owners of this club! No debt being their priority. Our top players have been and will be sold at any moment if the price is right to balance the books and show healthy profit sheets rather than silverware or Champions League football. You should change your name to LevyisKing you little Levy Arselicker!!!
geoff stern
GIK you have gone to a great deal of trouble and provided far more about the financial structure than I could have expected. I do understand the concept of contract amortisation but it isn't a way to work out the value of players contracts because that value can change as contracts are renewed even if new players aren't signed. Few contracts go the distance as players are sold before term or contracts extended. That value, as I understand it, is contained in 'intangibles' which appears to indicate that you have a squad of players whose value at the end of June 2009 is more than double the value at the end of June 2008. That may well be the case but it is an area that is bound to attract the interest of anyone looking for clarity about the true state of the clubs finances. Having said that your explanations make sense and though there are enough variables to offer some challenges it does all appear manageable.
Amos.
So, er....the point i was trying to make was that Levy has been good for Spurs on the whole, but let's not go overboard with the fulsome prasie. Sugar did his best: but it was never a world he felt confortable in. He did ok by us and that's ok by me as a dedicated Spurs fan. THERE'S ONLY ONE TEAM IN NORTH LONDON THERE ONLY EVER WAS AND THERE ONLY EVER WILL BE-GLORY GLORY HALLELUJAH!!!
jinkin jimmy dimmock
geoff stern, i think there might be slightly more to what GIK offfers than how you sum it up. maybe you should change your name to little Levy Bumkicker. the silver achievement conversation is of course one that is over and above the financial platform - but if we're not established there then we're potentially Leeds - or Utd if Glazers or their banks pull out, or Liverpool when sooty and sweep lose their hands. i for one welcome GIK's thoughtful contributions here - without some facts and insight on this stuff it's easy for any of us to sit at home, shirt hanging out and thinking in black and white (love/hate Levy, faceless shadowy Lewis etc.). managing a multi-million pound business that underpins the world's greatest football team in a dynamic context in the worst recession since the 30s can't be that easy can it? we don't want mike ashley - 'loves' his team, standard supporter beer gut and crap with money
paddyspur
Oh paddyspur, I feel so sorry for you small minded Tottenham fans who always go on about how things could be worse. That we could be a Leeds or a Newcastle United if it was not for the marvellous Job Levy and his Enic clan do to balance the books every year. So small minded to look at what could be worse instead of looking at how things could be so much better! I much prefer to focus on the success of clubs like Chelsea and Man Utd and use them as a model to success. Yes that little club Chelsea with a tiny fan base compared to Tottenham had only half a stadium 20 years ago and were jumping up and down the leagues. Now they are one of the 4 top clubs in Europe. To achieve what Chelsea have done it is clear that Tottenham should be sold ASAP to bring in a owner who can take Tottenham to that level. I want to see the club I love to win that premiership and get to that Champions League final. Chelsea and Arsenal have done it, so why not our beautiful Tottenham? Many thousands of Man United fans protested when the Glazers bought the club, but you don't hear them complaing now!!!
geoff stern
Why oh why do we all get round to the "we could become another Leeds" argument. We will never get to a position of gambling with money we never had, and piling debt upon debt to "live the dream" as Ridsdale did. By the way GIK I also remember us signing all of the great players in the 60s and the success we enjoyed. I also have to accept, to an extent, that top players apparently no longer want to come, the question that is never addressed is how we have deteriorated to the extent we have, from then till now. This means we are in a cache22 trap. We cant improve without top players, but we cant get top players unless we are in the top4. I wonder how Chelsea managed to build their team from nowhere under Bates, to champions when Abramovich came along and before they broke into the top 4, or how Man City are now attracting players to assist in their building process, having won or achieved nothing for years, answer MONEY both in terms of paying top dollar on both fees and wages. If, as you say, we are able to compete then its time we did. I concede that we have spent shed loads in recent seasons, but largely on nearly players in quantity, rather than top players individually. Lastly I don't share your confidence that EUFA, FIFA or anybody else will come up with controls on spending etc that billionaire business men won't find a way around, thats how they got to be billionaires in the first place, by stretching, tweaking, or breaching regulation. I also don't believe, as much as I would like to, that either the Glazers or Sooty and Sweep or the Saudis or Randy Lerner etc etc. will walk away or go bust or any of the many scare stories circulating, this is just wishful thinking on our part. I repeat that decent job that Levy has done, has he or indeed Mr. Lewis got the passion, committment, or the balls to take us onwards and upwards to the next level. If not the sooner the club is sold to someone who can, the better.
Frank
Frank – The decision to ensure financial fair play has already been agreed by the UEFA Professional Football Strategy Council and ECA Executive Board in Monaco, the financial fair play measures for club football were supported by all 100 member clubs represented at the General Assembly. The proposed measures on Financial Fair Play are to be introduced in UEFA competitions starting from the season 2012/13 and will also include a proposal to limit the size of squads which in turn will help clubs to limit their expenditure on salaries and transfers. All clubs want this to come in (even the Russian) – this is the reason why there was so much stupidity in the transfer market recently (Madrid and Man City spending the 3rd World debt on players) as they know what is coming – they know because they voted for it – they have a few years grace but it is coming into force and so they ensured that they had the best players before they have to start living within their means. The clubs are not opposing this measure as they know the expenditures and debt levels are unsustainable........ http://www.ecaeurope.com/Default.aspx?id=1102040 ......after 2012/13 season (when hopefully we will have the stadium on full stream) who do you think will be well placed? We will not have any debt and a T/O of +/- £170 million – what other club in the PL will be able to say that? With regards to other clubs – United can be sold and the debt will disappear – Arsenal are financially healthy but they do need CL football on a regular basis, they do have a sensible wages to T/O ratio and their debts are based on infrastructure – Chelsea can (and are) turn their debt into equity but even before the ECA decision (and Kenyon was on the ECA Board) Chelsea have determined to break even – Liverpool are in dire straits and desperately need investment and their current owners are not in a position to invest so their only saving grace will be to sell. Having a rich benefactor to squander millions on unsustainable expenditure is short term in the extreme – billionaires will always want a return in some shape or form – that is how they got to be billionaires – they can all have the glamour and prestige of owning a PL club and still make a profit. ALL PL Chairmen have the political will to ensure the ECA is successful – in short, as from 2012/13 there will be a sea change in the way football finances are worked. In that respect, we are streets ahead of the competition.
GilzeanIsKing
Frank – the question as to how we got to the stage we have when we were such a big club is down to absolutely ***** poor business management – many will say look no further than Scholar – being floated etc. – I would tend to agree. Maybe this link will help you to decide what went wrong............ http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/book-review--how-irving-scholar-won-and-lost-his-spurs-behind-closed-doors--irving-scholar--mihir-bose-andre-deutsch-1499-pounds-1565025.html ........finally, I do not understand how this article has gone to “who is better – Levy or Sugar?” It was never mentioned that there should be a competition – Alan Sugar saved the club from bankruptcy and he also ensured that his successors had the nous to build the club up to the security we now have – other than Bill Nicholson having a stand named after him in the new stadium then Alan Sugar should also be remembered for saving the club – that, I doubt, will be a forlorn wish.
GilzeanIsKing
Gilzeanis king, it is so 100% clear that you are part of the Levy/sugar clan! Any so called spurs fan that could want the name of the Alan Sugar on the new Tottenham Staduim should be commited. You say he saved the club from bankruptcy. Yes sure he met Venables in some Mayfair club one evening and the got the tip off from El Tel that the yids were up for sale for a bargain. Of course Sugar shafted El Tel once he had got him into the Lane which was always his plan! The truth is there were a thousand respectable business men who could have done a better job than Sugar, the man who brought the PONY sports brand to Tottenham. 'Pony and trap CRAP' sums up Sugar and what he did to our beautiful Tottenham. Sugar made millions and millions out of the club! Im sure you as an insider Gilzean could let us know exactly how many million he made. How much exactly did Sugar walk away with Gilzeanisking??? And what did we get in return?
geoff stern
Frank – money is not the complete answer. Chelsea spent huge amounts (he could have got the same players for half the amounts but that is a sign of an immature bully plus he has so many hangers on that need their share of the trough) but it was Jose that was the catalyst that made it all gel – post Jose has not been so great for their trophy room. This is Man City’s 2nd year of the big bucks – do they look anything like a top team? If you pay for mercenaries then you get a mercenary attitude – do you think that Robinho even knew who Man City were before he got off the plane? Players (like most Chairmen and owners) want instant success and if they don’t get it then they are off to pastures new. The answer for success is easy to talk about but this is the real world – the club has made more transfer money available to managers than any other club bar Man City – we do not have a salary cap so we can pay wages for the right players but they won’t come – we have made some good buys and some bad ones – it is the luck of the draw. How many can possibly say they knew how bad Bentley would go? The club has taken advice from numerous top names within the game over the years (e.g. Sir Bobby Robson, Trappatoni etc.) on how to move forward – they follow the advice and it does not work so they try again. United’s team of kids in the 90’s did not cost multi millions so what is the answer? Answers on a postcard please.
GilzeanIsKing
GIK, I would suggest that in all probability Chelsea will win the PL this season and that Man City will finish top 4 and qualify for the CL.
Frank
Spot on Frank. GIK can talk all day about money not being the answer and what a wonderful Job Levy and Sugar have done for the club, but the truth is Chelsea have won championships and F.A Cups and leagues Cups and have been to the Champios League Final and Semi Finals and will more than likely be Champions of England again this season and could possibly go all the way in the Champions League as well? What has Levy achieved GIK?
geoff stern
geoff stern, i agree in some of what you say in that money does help you to win things but i think you are being a little short sighted. There has to be more than just money as you have to have the correct manager, the correct back room set up etc etc. Chelsea had that when jose was there and then they lost it when they got rid of him, it looks like they have finally got that back now but it has taken time. GIK in my opinion is trying to highlight the massive amount of work people like Levy are doing behind the scene's to make us a more competitive team. He has pumped millions upon millions into the team to each manager to spend on players they want or that the DOF has highlighted for them. Sorry but i dont see what more Levy could do for us when he has made £100's of millions available to managers, building us a top notch training ground, sorting out a new 56k seater stadium and made us one of the most financially sound clubs in the PL. It is easy to criticise both Sugar and Levy for selling up or maybe selling in the future but what would you do in their position!?
spursfan4eva
GIK, again thank you for all the information that you have provided. It is always a pleasure reading your insight into our club. It is a shame you are not on here more.
spursfan4eva
i agree we should be proud that we have reliable people running the club like this...look at liverpool ? a team in debt because of dodgy owners..A top 4 team...we should be proud that our team is being held together and not in any financial trouble...I dont believe in negative talk im all about positivity .good things are ahead for spurs we just have to believe...I said at the start of the season we will finish top 4 this season and im still saying it now ...best start to a season in many years and were 4th in table going into our next game ...bare in mind weve been doing it last few games without our strongest team sometimes...This is our season to get the top 4 im proud of the club and the owners
irishyiddo
Wow lots of very very long posts,makes a change from my usuallong ones that everyone moans about lol
loz
Spursfan4eve, Since February 2001 Daniel Levy has been chairmen of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. During this period he has failed to Qualify for the Champions League once! In nearly nine years the only trophy he has won is the League Cup. During the Period Levy has been Chairmen of Spurs Arsenal have won the Premiership twice, the F.A Cup twice and have Qualified for the Champions league 8 times going to one final. Chelsea during Levy's reign have won 2 league cups, 2 F.A Cups, and 2 Premierships titles as well as qualifying for the Champions League 7 times, going to one final. You Levy fans can talk all day about what levy and Enic have done behind the scenes. You can talk all day about all the hundreds of millions that they have pumped into the club without success. You can praise their pre tax profits to the cows come home, but the bottom line is our two main rivals Arsenal and Chelsea have dominated Us during his entire reign!!!
geoff stern
Geoff Stern, Yes you are correct that both Arsenal and Chelsea have won more than us but that is not Levy's fault. I think you need to look at the players and the managers. They are the ones that kick the ball or do the tactics etc and not Levy. Levy only keeps the club afloat and signs the cheques. What more do you want??? Levy and ENIC reps to be on the field as well. Sorry but i think we have got great owners that have as you say "pumped millions" into out club. Our failures on the pitch are due to the players and managers.
spursfan4eva
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