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AVB's No 2?

Now perhaps I am lacking imagination, but I am really struggling to think of a credible assistant manager to Andre Villas-Boas.

When AVB was first linked to the position, I felt that Tim Sherwood would be an excellent choice, especially if the policy was to go with youth, because Tim appears to have built up a real understanding with the young players, whilst also having spent time with the club, which perhaps just counters his lack of experience in the role, but he does appear to be well thought of and seems a quick learner.

Many fans in the forum have suggested Ray Wilkins, but as much as I like him as a person. Is he too Chelsea Blue to ever be a Lillywhite? If I were to look at my perfect partner for Andre, I would consider a man with age and experience, but is that really important, as long as the individual has the respect of the players? I suppose it is also essential that both manager and assistant have chemistry and can work together regardless of age. finally does the No2 have to be English or have a good understanding of the Premiership?

Another former Chelsea man, Ricardo Carvalho has been suggested by some, I suppose following his link as part of a deal to take Luka Modric to Real Madrid. Again, there are the positives of Carvalho having the experience of playing in England and being fluent in the language, but we are back to someone with no coaching experience.

To be honest, I am totally clueless as to not only who the club are targeting, but also who would be interested or available. Judging by the suggestions across the web, it seems I am not alone in my lack of ideas. It has crossed my mind that perhaps we could tempt someone like Charlton manager Chris Powell. A Spurs fan and someone who has a proven managerial record as well as being a recently retired player. Others like Kenny Jacket or Dougie Freedman have good credentials, but would they be interested in swapping a Championship No1 for Premiership No2?

It has been hinted that there will be back-room appointments in the very near future and you would assume that this will be important based on the start of pre season and only having Tony Parks and Clive Allen from the last regime, and beyond the next few weeks, who knows what the future holds for them...



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Friday July 6 2012
Time: 3:04PM

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Has Clive Allen been retained then?
Metal Spurs
06/07/2012 15:07:00
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Has to be Sherwood IMO..
Block D Spurs
06/07/2012 15:08:00
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am I no 2?
ItalianYiddo
06/07/2012 15:08:00
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I think so, metal spurs... as my ITK said to me on Tuesday... before AVB announced.
Block D Spurs
06/07/2012 15:10:00
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Yep, I've taken the reigns as No1!
Metal Spurs
06/07/2012 15:13:00
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AVB`s number 2 ???

Do we really want to know his bathroom habits ?
big cockeral
06/07/2012 15:14:00
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tim sherwood. so if AVB does another chelski. he can act as temp.lolthen ancelotti
topspur53
06/07/2012 15:17:00
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Someone told me it was Ricardo Rocha. I think they was trying to wind me up though.
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 15:19:00
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We should have signed Steve Clark when liverpool sacked him.
vicspur
06/07/2012 15:23:00
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Can't see why a current No.1 would want to come to Spurs as a No.2. Much as I like what Chris Powell has done at Charlton, I think he'll want to give the Championship a crack next season. As for Former players, how about Graham Roberts? Currently managing the Nepal national side, but managed Yeovil & Clyde. Just a thought & he's Spurs through & through.

Spuds-U-Like
06/07/2012 15:33:00
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AVB's No.2-that's a headline i'd like to see at the end of the season ;) with some silverware to boot!
Cannot wait until the 12th with the release of the new kits and a parade of new signings.
I wonder if UnderArmor are working on a Inspector Gadget style raincoat for the Gaffer?
All this movement so early and the swirling rumours have me as excited as a kid on Christmas Eve.
miamispur
06/07/2012 15:34:00
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Vicspur you are so right, Sreve Clarke is an outstanding coach, but might have different philosophies and football beliefs to AVB. In the interests of continuity then perhaps Sherwood, although there seems to be different duties in line for him. I can understand Parks being retained as GK ing coach, but given the managerial change, what the hell would Clive Allen do in the new regime.
Frank
06/07/2012 15:39:00
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Who does AVB want has his #2?
Total knobhead
06/07/2012 15:40:00
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Does a manager need a #2?
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 15:44:00
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AVB doesn't strike me as the sort of personality that wants a "Number 2".....it seemed to be his way or the highway at Chelsea but unfortunately for him he forgot we drive on the left. It looks like he will have all the administrative back-up he needs from Sherwood and Levy so is a No.2 really necessary?
Harry-Kari
06/07/2012 15:53:00
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Frank-wow! second time agreeing with you, I must be coming down with something...
I don't understand the Clive Allen retention either, first thought was that it was because he is a Spurs legend but then thought of Hoddle and Ossie getting canned so that can't be it. Then thought we kept him as a striker coach but after the last couple of years (Ade the exception) our Striker's performances have been woeful so that can't be it either. Does anyone have a clue as to why he was retained? Answers on a postcard please......
miamispur
06/07/2012 15:58:00
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Harry-Kari -- Why have a pop at our manager before he`s even managed a game ? disgraceful .
With all the media ready to have a go & fans of other clubs ,AVB needs our support more than ever .
,br>Harry Redknapp fans are either with us or against us
big cockeral
06/07/2012 16:03:00
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yes there needs to be an no 2; personally I think the guy should be English or a good communicator, spurs through and through and know the players well & have their respect. Allen might not be a bad choice- because his main role would be to help players implement AVB's ideas. And I figure we will go from hardly any tactics to so much tactics under AVB. The no 2 must ensure the players, on board with AVB's style of football and philosophy. I would have Mabbutt, presuming he has coaching badge, to be No. 2.
T-spur5
06/07/2012 16:07:00
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Pep Guardiola.
TopSpur13
06/07/2012 16:15:00
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I still get the feeling that BAE is ging to have to accept a backup role and Bale will be our LB next year this will enable us to play Parker, Modric, Siggy and VDV in the same team with either lennon or sandro joining them or a 2nd striker
Audere est Facere
06/07/2012 16:15:00
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All this talk about a number 2 is making need a tommy!
mattspurs
06/07/2012 16:16:00
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big cockeral - Well said pal. Forget yesterday and look forward. AVB is the new man in charge. Give him a season before passing any sort of judgement.
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 16:21:00
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Gary Neville. Would have the respect of the players and would be ideal to take over the reigns in 15 years time when AVB has had enough of winning the league year in year out.
skins
06/07/2012 16:23:00
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RHS-Or in the case of Levy,at least 8 games ;)
miamispur
06/07/2012 16:25:00
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miamispur - At least eight games yes lol
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 16:31:00
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skins - I hate the guy. Can't stand him. I also think he talks utter bolox when he is doing the half time tactic nonsense on sky, so with that in mind i'm assuming he'd make an even worse coach. I'm all for Ray Wilkins. Show Chelsea why they shouldn't have got shot of two fantastic members of management.
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 16:33:00
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Gary Neville?? Fack that yes he seems like a good coach but with AVB having no previous association with Spurs any no 2 should know the club top to bottom.....Teddy maybe, King would be perfect but prob too inexperienced for that yet
JattYid
06/07/2012 16:33:00
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JattYid - Gus Poyet maybe if we're following your preference?
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 16:34:00
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Modric reported to have agreed personal terms with RM
gataspurs
06/07/2012 16:34:00
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Where is coopsie?? Was he really HR in disguise???
woodyn17
06/07/2012 16:35:00
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When Gary Neville started with Sky I thought it was an idiot, but he pretty much nailed Harry's tactical ineptitude during his analysis. I realise he is not a spur and doesnt have much coaching experience, but 20 years working with red nose has to stand for something. Cant stand Ray Wilkins and his mad starey eyes. Would prefer a manc over a chav any day.
skins
06/07/2012 16:37:00
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So Modric has agreed terms. Can someone explain me this.... How can a player agree terms with a club when the sale price hasn't been negotiated? I'm a little unaware in this department but, surely Spurs must give permission for Modric to leave first (transfer request initially) unless we want to sell (which i assume we dont). Then Spurs agree a fee with Madrid before allowing them to speak to Modric regarding personal terms? I mean i wouldn't let a club talk to my player unless they were willing to pay the asking price. I don't get it...
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 16:41:00
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Modric going apparently. Personal terms agreed with RM. Not worried at all. By the end of this season we will be chanting someone elses name - could be Oscar, could be Moutinho, could be Ganzo who ever it is Modric will not be missed.
mattspurs
06/07/2012 16:44:00
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Ryan My feeling is we must be very close to agreement with them so have allowed him to speak to them. It's probably just down t fine details.

Forlan has gone to Internacional and apparently they're close to agreeing a deal for Nilmar. Those two deals are supposedly going to give our moves for Oscar and Damiao the green light.... Would like Ganso too(being greedy)
Spurs Allday
06/07/2012 16:46:00
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mattspurs - Ofcourse he will be missed. The team is better with him than without him. Hopefully we can bring in the type of player that will make it seem as if it's not such a huge loss. Who knows, maybe sigurdson can build on last seasons performance and impress a few pundits.
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 16:46:00
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I'd have Cabaye over Moutinho.
TopSpur13
06/07/2012 16:48:00
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Ryan i used to love Gus at Spurs but after reading an article in 442 while back he was asked a question about spurs and chelski and he implyed he wished he didnt sign for spurs as it ruined his relationship with the chelski fans...fair enough at that time of interview he prob had a chip on his shoulder about being sacked with ramos!
JattYid
06/07/2012 16:48:00
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Spurs Allday - I've only seen a few clips of Damaio and i've never even heard of the other two. Damaio didn't look like a world beater but none-the-less we're in dire need of a striker. Hopefully they're more than just potential buys and can make an immediate impact at Spurs. The Luka loss is going to hit the players confidence pretty hard i think.
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 16:49:00
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Fryers Agrees move...
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/7875696/
MrPaddytheyid
06/07/2012 16:50:00
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TopSpur13 - They're both very good players. Moutinho will suit AVB's plans better. The relationship between the two would help. Another player i'd like to see come to spurs is ben arfa. Fantastic young talent.

JattYid - I can see why he said that but as long as he does a job i'm not fussed by his feelings on past decisions. Tim Sherwood seems the best bet for me. Move him up and put Ledley King in charge of the youth.
RyanHotSpur
06/07/2012 16:52:00
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TopSpur13 Are you off your head ??? Cabaye over Moutinho.????

If Modric goes Moutinho must come in ,he`s mustard
big cockeral
06/07/2012 16:54:00
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Ben arfa oh yes that is one player i would love to see if VDV is going....propa "spurs" player! Enjoy ur weekends yall, hopefully come monday we will have few more additions to our squad :) COYMFS!!!
JattYid
06/07/2012 16:55:00
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Ryan the team right now is, we dont know what the team is goingto be came the start of the season. Modders was a great player to watch and his style was superb, but 3 golas and 5 assists all season is not good enough. I hate to say it but modders was not a game winner. He was always involved and dictated the pace but his finishing was dire.

If we don't look to move forward then I agree we will be looking and thinking about what if modders stayed, but this is anew Spurs and we are looking to move forward. If we sign a player that can contribute at least 10 league goals and 10 assist this season then I woudl take that over pretty passing.

We still have very exciting players at Spurs, Bale, Walker, Lennon, Sandro, and now add to that Siggy and who knows how many more. Modders will be missed because he was our play went through him, however a change in formation may mean that his talent wont be missed. We are bigger then him and we will move on. A new hero will be found to replace his chants at the lane.
mattspurs
06/07/2012 16:56:00
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Ryan I've seen more of Damiao than I have the other two and he does look the part. The others I'm more than willing to trust AVB on. He's personally been scouting them and he made his name as one of the most thorough scouts in football so we can trust him(I hope lol)
Spurs Allday
06/07/2012 16:57:00
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Don't get me wrong Big C. Moutinho impressed but 32 million being quoted is way too much. Cabaye would be a well cheaper option and is proven in our league.
TopSpur13
06/07/2012 16:58:00
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Chris Hughton for me. Has been excellent in every role he has taken.

Modric was reported in Croatia to have agreed personal terms with RM a week ago. Stumbling block is the transfer fee. RM are reportedly at least 10-15M off our valuation. I really don't see that deal getting done unless RM start selling a bunch of guys. COYS
peterballb
06/07/2012 16:59:00
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Does Anyone else think that Adrian Durham is a complete idiot when he says its been a bad week for spurs?? Because I for one couldn't agree more yes i know Modric is going to leave for Real Madrid but we have tied down Gareth Bale we have signed Sigurdsson we have tied up Walker, Caulker and other young players on long deals i think things are looking up and for one am looking forward to the future !!! Anyone Agree/Disagree Thoughts please???
redhotspur1234
06/07/2012 17:00:00
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Really doubt it'll be Hughton now peter haha.
TopSpur13
06/07/2012 17:04:00
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redhotspur - This has been one of the best weeks I have experinecd fo Spurs. next week will be even better when Vert signs. Spurs are on the up mate and I for one am all in on this bet. It will pay off for us big time
mattspurs
06/07/2012 17:05:00
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redhotspur Never listen to that plank Durham he's a wind-up merchant. He only does it to get a reaction. It's been one of the best weeks in our recent transfer window history Bale, Walker, Caulker signed up till 2016, Sig and Fryers signed up, AVB as our new younger forward thinking coach. It's obvious we're on the up, Modric is a blow but there's bound to be a replacement be it Ganso, Oscar, Moutinho or Defour we're already linked with and I assume lining up replacements so screw what that mug says.
Spurs Allday
06/07/2012 17:06:00
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110% agree redhot. I listen to this muppet & his equally ignorant sidekick most afternoons until I can stand it no longer if I haven't already filtered their dross out. Somedays the ads are more interesting than those 2! Today he classified Sigurdsson as our Modric replacement FFS! Totally different players & I've emailed him to tell him he's a muppet if he thinks that. Bet it doesn't get read out. Somedays its difficult to remember that its his job to utter such crap just to fire up the listeners so they phone in. The guy thinks he knows football & he's a Peterborough fan, go figure.
Spuds-U-Like
06/07/2012 17:08:00
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Top London club this season, THFC!
Cape Town Spurs
06/07/2012 17:08:00
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Dont listen to Durham, hes well known for being a wind up. Its been a great week for Spurs whether people like it or not.
corluka that
06/07/2012 17:10:00
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Spurs Allday and mattspurs Totally Agree i think he needs to get out more LOL !!!
redhotspur1234
06/07/2012 17:10:00
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Man City 1st, again Utd runners up - Ferguson impales himself on a sharpened haggis in outrage Our lads run in 3rd Chavski 4th, with RDM gone by the New Year Arse-en-hole 5th Liverpiddle, 7th, Rodgers sacked
Cape Town Spurs
06/07/2012 17:11:00
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TopSpur13 If you`re referring to money then fair enough .Not my money so don`t care .Moutinho looks the nuts & Modric out cabaye in,is too much a bigger difference .

if Modric leaves we have to go like for like ,or go backwards .Modric is world class ,Cabaye falls a little short IMO .
big cockeral
06/07/2012 17:12:00
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To be fair I don't think that Darren Gough is too bad too be honest at least he has performed at the highest level as he has played for England
redhotspur1234
06/07/2012 17:12:00
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@ Corluka, it has, and I like it!
Cape Town Spurs
06/07/2012 17:13:00
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Ryan I suspect it's just internet rumours as they can hardly have permission to talk to him, if Spurs haven't agreed to sell him.
Ossie
06/07/2012 17:13:00
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Agree 100% Big C, except the bit about Modric being world-class, he can be world class, when he feels like it. you might say well isn't that the case with all of them, I just think Modric goes missing too much. don't get me wrong, he's a great player, guess I'm just a bit done with modric this and modric that again. as I write yesterday, if he feels he is better than the club then do we really need to have him around. sell him over-seas or if you can afford to, bench him like City did with Tevez.
Cape Town Spurs
06/07/2012 17:16:00
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Totally agree On Durham,guys a complete fool, but I have time for Goughie tho
Ossie
06/07/2012 17:17:00
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Same Ossie Top cricketer for England and Essex so i am all for him says spurs is his second club and always tries to stick up for us LOL :)
redhotspur1234
06/07/2012 17:19:00
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Cape Town Spurs I`m sure some say Modric is not world class because he wants out .

Would opinion change if Modric committed to us tomorrow ?

My 2 best players in the last 10 years both wanted out due to us failing ,Modric & berbatov .I hope that is a trend that stops one day .
big cockeral
06/07/2012 17:27:00
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Is Durham the one who affects a mockney tone on TalkMoron, and, counter-intuitively, is very thick?
lordjohnny
06/07/2012 17:30:00
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Is he as bad as Darren Lewis ? surely nobody can
big cockeral
06/07/2012 17:35:00
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Moutinho has to be the man. We stand to make a fortune on Modric and the money must go straight back into Moutinho, even f we have to use most of the money received for Modric. Neiher Modric or Moutinho are worth more than 25m, but the market is crazy.
asherthesmasher
06/07/2012 17:38:00
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Big C good post on Modric, definitely one of the better Spurs players in recent times.
Ossie
06/07/2012 17:41:00
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When you think about it no player should be .No wonder our sky sports bill keeps going up ,which is also why it is our prerogative to have a pop when they don`t perform .
Footballers & managers can`t have their cake & eat it
big cockeral
06/07/2012 17:43:00
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Sorry boys, Darren Gough talks utter $h1te when it comes to football. Just because he failed to make the grade at Barnsley, he thinks he knows it all. I've never known anyone to argue his point by quoting in lists, like "he's an England international, he scores goals, good header of the ball, has a good left foot, good at free kicks, makes lots of assists......" & so on. He's semi-illiterate, out of his depth as a broadcaster & should stick to cricket & dancing.

Spuds-U-Like
06/07/2012 17:43:00
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Ossie - let`s hope that if one legend leaves, another one comes in .
We still never really replaced Berbatov ,can we afford to make the same mistake with Modric ? I do love that little phucker & in all honesty don`t blame him .
I do the lottery every weekend in the hope of becoming a millionaire so what makes me any different ?
big cockeral
06/07/2012 17:46:00
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No Big Cock- Re your best players on the last 10 years. They were part of that failure. Just because they regard themselves above their team-mates does not abrogate their responsibility. They are happy to take credit when things go well, and if there are any shortcomings, it is never anything to do with them and they want out. Well, like the Bulgarian sulker, Modric can feck off. Perhaps, in a few years, he'll be in the same position as Berba*****, with no takers, and another season on the bench.
lordjohnny
06/07/2012 17:53:00
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Spuds- You've got to hand it to TalkMoron. To get all those inarticulate ex-footblahs is one thing, as they are fishing at a pretty small gene pool, but to find two of the thickest ex-cricketers really is some doing. Only Flintoff F. was missed by them.
lordjohnny
06/07/2012 17:59:00
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4real Big C!!!!
Ossie
06/07/2012 18:00:00
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agree LJ -- stand up and be counted -- you want to be paid then earn your money. player power is destroying the game. exhorbitant wages. meaningless contracts. these people are not God's, they're footballers. Screw them and their over inflated ego's.
Cape Town Spurs
06/07/2012 18:34:00
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The Fryers signing is fabulous. He looked really composed the few times I saw him last year.

LJ, I have to say there has been a complete lack of hatred for losing about Spurs since Berbatov left. Berbs and Keane hated losing and you knew on the pitch when they weren't happy. These past 2 seasons, only Gallas had the stones to say that the results were not acceptable. That's a winner. The balance are politically correct "whiners". We need everyone to hate losing. All starts with the manager. If AVB comes out and says he's happy for West Ham that they beat us, I'll have to fly over and bring a can of kickbutt with me. Accept that it is not always your day, but the second anyone at Spurs is not ticked that we lost, they should be on the next bus out.

Modric is a very good footballer, and is, like for like, not replaceable, but there are plenty that will score more and be a little tougher in the tackle while contributing in their own way. 40M plus and I'd move him on to a non-PL team. 45M plus and I'd even entertain City, Chelsea and ManU. If he signs with City, someone else, different but equally good, will be sitting so there is no ne effect there. ManU will get Modric or Moutinho so they'll get someone. Chelsea have the money to match whatever anyone else offers so I would not be too sad to see him go. We would never pay 40M for such a player, so I'll gladly take it (would prefer he willingly stayed) for such a player. COYS
peterballb
06/07/2012 18:52:00
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