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Sahin?

With the revelation that Nuri Sahin to move on loan to the Premiership next week, the question is now where?

Of course it wasn't so long ago that the players was linked to Tottenham as part of the deal for our No14, but that wasn't something he appeared to welcome. Perhaps that was as much about his joining a club that wasn't his ideal destination on a permanent deal, and I suppose to cannot really blame him and I certainly wouldn't take that initial reaction as a snub, should he arrive on our doorstep a couple of weeks later.

I can imagine the idea of being told your club have agreed to swap you for another player is never something that makes a player feel good, and being effectively told where they want you to go, must make you want to stick two fingers in the air and tell them where to go, and perhaps this was something that Sahin did, at least until the deal was made more to his liking and more on his terms.

Perhaps the idea of playing in England for an ambitious team for one year isn't quite so hard to take. It offers him the opportunity for regular football once again, whilst also perhaps making Real Madrid look again at his talents, should he excel. Should Villas-Boas feel he is a worthy short term replacement for our departing playmaker, it may suit everyone, perhaps allowing Spurs another shot at Moutinho or whoever, next summer at a time when Porto might be more receptive to selling. Of course it also gives AVB more time to evaluate his squad and perhaps develop one or two youngsters for next summer.

There seems a login in linking sahib to Spurs with Niko's mate moving the other way, though he has also been strongly linked with our beloved neighbours and Man United, though perhaps with Fergie already securing Shinji Kagawa, perhaps a move to North London looks the most likely, though whether it will be the red or white side, we should no in the next seven days...

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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Friday July 27 2012
Time: 4:48PM

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My god! The articles are coming thick & fast today!

Can't see this happening really as he's only interested in a lone deal & I can't see Levy accepting that as part of a package taking Modric to Madrid.

Spuds-U-Like
27/07/2012 16:52:00
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If its Loan to buy then okay we'll give him a lash but how does giving us a player for twelve months equate to a reduction in the sale price of our prize asset?
Slurms McKenzie
27/07/2012 16:53:00
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This is 5!!! No Ox, this post is not an entry to the "game"!

Spuds-U-Like
27/07/2012 16:54:00
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The comments are coming fast from thicks aswell Spuds:-)
Slurms McKenzie
27/07/2012 16:54:00
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Sure that wasn't yesterday as well Slurms & are you lobbing me into that category too? looking back, I wouldn't blame you if you did mate!

Loans are fine up to a point, but at least with a loan, if the guy bombs you can send him back. Frazier Campbell anyone?

Spuds-U-Like
27/07/2012 16:57:00
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Can't see Sahin coming to us. Would welcome him screaming though!
Jables
27/07/2012 17:01:00
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No thanks, he is basically Huddlestone without the physical presence!
Tactically Challenge
27/07/2012 17:01:00
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Present company excluded Spuds;-) Yea the loan does give you a good look at a player but with no option at the end we may just be putting him in the window for Chelski or City
Slurms McKenzie
27/07/2012 17:01:00
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If we get him I'd be more than happy, if not then lets get Moutinho.
Spurs Allday
27/07/2012 17:01:00
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hewill go to arsenal, mark my words.
topspur53
27/07/2012 17:06:00
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I suppose with a lone, it gives him a chance to impress Real or any other potential suitor in 12 mths time. also if we assume that Spurs remains a good place to play and have a happy dressing room, could he actually want to stay beyond this one season loan? We only have to look at Adebayor to realise that it is possible
oxfordspur
27/07/2012 17:07:00
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Well ESPN are reporting a new bid is coming from Madrid so maybe this has something to do with it.
Spurs Allday
27/07/2012 17:26:00
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ESPN saying RM offered £33 million & also quoting Wenger as saying 'not close to signing anyone'.
Windlespur
27/07/2012 17:31:00
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Well if RM are offering around £33 million and sahin on loan for 12 months with them paying his wages that equates to over £35 million which is getting close to what we appear to be asking. Throw in an option to buy for a sensible sum on the off chance he works out and wants to stay then I think that would be worth doing business at.
flipper
27/07/2012 17:39:00
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take the money and get a couple of strikers ffs
topspur53
27/07/2012 17:42:00
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Sahin on loan would be good, it leaves us more money for a striker and we can either buy him after the loan or try Moutinho again next year when Porto maybe more inclined to sell
J.AntonSpur
27/07/2012 17:42:00
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Not needed at Spurs as he's more a ball winning midfielder to which we have Parker and Sandro
Ossie
27/07/2012 17:42:00
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ESPN quoting that AVB desn't fancy Sahin. I begging to lose the will to live. Where is our new keeper and two forward please!
Andre's Crouching
27/07/2012 17:53:00
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I'm not begging but begining....
Andre's Crouching
27/07/2012 17:55:00
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Sahin has actually got a very good goals to game ratio for a supposedly defensive midfielder.
vicspur
27/07/2012 18:08:00
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Loan to buy sounds plausible. If we don't like him, we can return him and get the rest of the cash for Modric next year. Surely a decent deal if this actually is going to happen?
zombie-greavsie
27/07/2012 18:16:00
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sahin to replace luka means we will use the 33m to get hulk..wow we can dream surely...coys
indianyid
27/07/2012 18:18:00
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£33 Million and Sahin on loan, I would deal. Seen quite a bit of him in the bundesleague and he is a really good player and I think he would fit in nicely in a 433 or 4231. This would then allow us to concentrate our money on a couple of strikers and a new keeper. Then as others have said buy either him our Moutinho outright next season
Lasse
27/07/2012 18:21:00
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For those who have missed this....
dcruzer
27/07/2012 18:26:00
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If only these lads could have what it take to play for us every game...
dcruzer
27/07/2012 18:27:00
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Sahin is no Modric but to say that we don't need him because of Huddlestone is a joke. Huddlestone is not a top player! He is a good player and a good option but he isn't a first 11 player week in and out. Sahin would be a good slide in the 433 midfield as well. He is far better than Parker and would compliment Sandro and VdV/Siggy. Still a downgrade to Modric but in the short term 12 months it gives us options to keep looking for a player or to try and buy after the season if it comes to being successful. If Modric is getting ready to go to Madrid there is no room for Sahin.
RagingSpur
27/07/2012 18:49:00
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I thought it was reported that he did not want to come to Spurs. Why would that have changed? Him going to Arsenal would not make me happy, but then, if combined with the seemingly imminent sale of Kaka, PSG stating they will pay 40M, it seems to me RM are setting up their final push. I hope Levy has given them a drop dead date, informed them that the valuation (as confirmed by PSG) is 40M and told Modric, if RM don't want to stump the cash, you may leave for PSG or remain at Spurs. Table set, mood music is playing, I can smell the appetizers, let's just get the food served. COYS
peterballb
27/07/2012 18:50:00
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Dc, these guys are just a bunch of ball jugglers. They possess skills which have no use in a real game of soccer. Not looking forward to the next part when they unveil the disgustingly loud third kit. Expect to see onlookers in shock or s*******ing at the sight.
zombie-greavsie
27/07/2012 18:52:00
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What PSG are offering makes no relevance because he isn't being sold to PSG. Even if on the table which I doubt PSG has tabled that bid Modric will refuse a move to France. It has to be a side that Modric is willing to sign for. Are we really going to go another year with an unhappy player? I doubt it and if Kaka is sold RM will up there bid but not to 40m probably around 35m...
RagingSpur
27/07/2012 18:53:00
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*giggling
zombie-greavsie
27/07/2012 18:53:00
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Juggling may seemingly have no real usefulness to the game....but, that's if you don't want it to. In South America that's what players (amature or pros) always incorporate to their game whenever possible and that's makes for a fantastic game of flair football...
dcruzer
27/07/2012 19:32:00
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Apart from their national teams who watches South American club football? Their best players escape to Europe for a reason
big cockeral
27/07/2012 19:42:00
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Raging, the PSG valuation does matter. It confirms his value on the open market, further confirming Chelsea's valuation that we refused a year ago. Do I want this to drag on? Heck no. Then again I stated last summer that if Chelsea or anyone offered 40M we should just take the money and run. Levy made a stand (I wouldn't have) and he's sticking by his guns (that I would do). We aren't going to give him away, and as many have said, he is not replaceable like for like. I'm sure if RM offer 37M it'l be a done deal, but they aren't going to get him for 35M Euros. COYS
peterballb
27/07/2012 19:54:00
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Haven't really seen the guy play but I'd take the 33m plus the player on loan sans wages to make up the 2 million we won't have to pay Modric. So effectively we get 35m plus a decent player. Cannot go wrong with that deal. That allows us to buy a decent striker or two. Put it to bed Daniel!
jvd
27/07/2012 20:01:00
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Off topic, but just back from the practice session in Baltimore. Much as I would like to pull a Paddyspur and give you a full report, I can’t say there was much of real interest to share with you all. I would classify the practice as fairly light which was understandable given that it was over 90F in the stadium! As others have noted the drills almost always involved ball play. Everyone was there except JD. VDV and Walker spent most of the session jogging around the pitch though Walker later did some sprint work. Couldn’t say whether they will play tomorrow but would have to think it’s doubtful. Lads all looked pretty relaxed esp Bentley in his ridiculous shorts. Vert in particular impressed with his quiet professionalism. It was also interesting to see him play the high line even when they were practicing in just one third of the pitch! Afterwards AVB and players came over to meet us/sign shirts etc. I have to say all were very friendly and engaging. I asked AVB when the new strikers were coming in and he laughed and said “Day after tomorrow.” Other interactions: Harry Kane understands that he will have a major opportunity to impress tomorrow, Hudd said his ankle was doing really well, Carroll blushed about No 14 having his name on it, Gomes particularly friendly with everyone.
PB Spur
27/07/2012 20:19:00
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All my numbers are £ not €..... Need at least £35m
jvd
27/07/2012 20:19:00
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Peter, last summer his price tag was met and he would have agreed to a move to Chelsea we said no. Now PSG would offer that but we have no chance of collecting 40m for him because he won't move to PSG therefore its irrelevant. He is only worth what another team will pay for him and the only teams that matter are the ones that he will actually sign for and PSG isn't in the running! We didn't want 40m for a PL move but now we can get around 33m and outside of PL...take it
RagingSpur
27/07/2012 20:25:00
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I've never said sell on the first bid but I am saying sell! A player can only be worth what is being offered by a team that he will sign for. Man City can come in with 60m but that does not make his value 60m if he won't go there. Sure, we can hold on to the player and if he wants out he will never be the same player for us. We are already doubling what we got him for so lets part ways so we are both happy and have time to improve. If we keep him what good is it doing us? We are going to have an unhappy player when we can already make a good profit and find ways to improve. I am glad we are trying to get a good price for him but not if it turns out to be a Berba style sale because Levy only ****s us again with no time to try and buy/loan. I already believe the plan is to hold out and sell last second and I do believe that Siggy was brought in to be the replacement sadly. I don't see much activity happening in the midfield outside of maybe a goalie or striker being brought in. Its just how we do business...history shows.
RagingSpur
27/07/2012 20:39:00
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Without Modric we stand no chance of finishing in the top 4 - and that is coming from someone who thinks we should sell the the little rat.
MrSpurs
27/07/2012 20:50:00
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the PSG offer, if true, is still relevant. It places more pressure on madrid, both in terms of establishing a market value and because it is obviously better for us and worse for madrid if another team starts bidding. Yes, madrid is modric's preferred destination but if it doesn't happen he might still prefer CL with PSG, a team with the cash to really build something, than staying with spurs. If no other team made any offers than madrid and modric could conspire to lake things very difficult for spurs and the pressure wouls have been on us for pricing him out of a move by asking an unrealistic fee. As it is, it is now madrid who have the pressure and our valuation, even if too high for Madrid, is now justifiable. I would certainly prefer this situation with many clubs bidding 40 million even if modric refuses to move anywhere else, then it's his choice
Guernman
27/07/2012 20:53:00
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Thanks for the clip dcruzer:-)
Madaboutspurs
27/07/2012 21:06:00
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@big cockeral. A lot of people watch South American football. It's def a national event for almost everybody in the big cities...Reason why players leave is cause European have more money to offer and have big prestige to them (Europe! oh wow!, say the sheep) so that's irresistible to them...but deep inside they would prefer to stay home...big S. America players like Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Cafu, and others.
dcruzer
27/07/2012 21:12:00
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Can't wait for Thudd to be back. Don't need Sahin, defo not as a loan. Need to sort out a striker sharpish. Need to sort out another striker, just as sharpish. Wan't modric gone even sharperish.
Himwhatwhats
27/07/2012 22:22:00
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Can't believe 23% think Vertonghen should be Cpt without kicking a ball in anger for the club and Bale! seriously?
Himwhatwhats
27/07/2012 22:28:00
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Sahin is the captain for the Dortmund team that led to their first titles in years. Loan? I prefer a part exchange, loan is like we are not benefitting much to be honest, unless is 40 million plus this loan. 35 million and Sahin permanently is good to be honest.
what_sux
27/07/2012 22:45:00
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if jordan henderson is worth 20 million, then yes, modric is worth 40 million but sahin must be worth a hell of a lot more than 5 million! a loan with an option to buy would be great
Guernman
27/07/2012 23:14:00
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if jordan henderson is worth 20 million, then yes, modric is worth 40 million but sahin must be worth a hell of a lot more than 5 million! a loan with an option to buy would be great
Guernman
27/07/2012 23:14:00
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Off topic-Under the breaking league news banner:
Hoilett to QPR-???? I thought we were interested? or was that all just media talk.
Last time we were given a player on loan from a club that just took one of ours did not go to well, Campbell....
30M and Sahin for keeps and they can have Golum.
miamispur
27/07/2012 23:16:00
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I don't think it was media talk that we wanted Hoillet. I think it was VS talk. Lot's of folk here were saying enthusiastic things about him.
Total knobhead
27/07/2012 23:19:00
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Off topic.....Wow what a Olympic opening ceremony... 3hrs 45 mins. incredibile production...ended with Paul McCartney singing Hey Jude...
Block D Spurs
28/07/2012 00:52:00
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Block D, pity about Stell McCartney's GB team Goldfinga shellsuit design. I nearly puked my guts up when I saw it!
zombie-greavsie
28/07/2012 01:24:00
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i would accept a loan for sahin, that leaves more money for the strikers..
FifaKing
28/07/2012 03:03:00
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Fryers played for our development side against Boro, so we'll probably get some form of announcement on him and Hall soon.
Spurs Allday
28/07/2012 05:02:00
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Zombi.. all part of the show mate!! The "queen and James Bond" leaping out of the helicopter..... Mr Bean in the orchestra.... The history of UK, industrial revolution etc... Kids & NHS staff Gt Ormond St. Hospital...great. There was a budget of £27m.. and 15,000 people involved..
Block D Spurs
28/07/2012 10:15:00
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Block D Spurs I`m with you .I didn`t expect much but phuck that was one of the most amazing things i`ve ever seen ,pure genius .Didn`t take itself too seriously which was humbling .
The olympic games is much better than the world cup imo a much better spectacle ,so i hope this is a good one .Beijing,Greece & Australia in particular were brilliant to watch ,enjoyed sports you never thought you would ,captivating.
Priorities right ,when`s the ladies beach volleyball ? :)
big cockeral
28/07/2012 11:13:00
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Awesome Olympic opening ceremony, right up until they wheeled out McCartney. I didn't realise that Heather Mills got his talent as part of the divorce settlement
thfc1882whl
28/07/2012 12:18:00
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What good are loan deals with regards to building a settled competitive squad. As we have discovered to our cost with the Adebayor situation, all that loans achieve is to postpone the problem for the period of the loan, thy don't solve aything. Then you have to start chasing around to either renew, or consolidate the loan into a transfer, or go shopping to look for a replacement sometimes in a hurry. Loans are meant to help out those struggling to purchase players, often the club is struggling in a mid to lower league position and strapped for funds. Clubs that aspire to be top 4 or 5 should be signing and owning players, not borrowing them.
Frank
28/07/2012 12:18:00
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How can almost 1/4 of us think we should give the captain's armband to a newbie I have no idea. It's gotta be Dawson based on seniority and he is deserving. I know he may not be in our first 11.
Madaboutspurs
28/07/2012 12:20:00
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I quick comment on the Olympic ceremony from Pernambuco, Brasil, before I'm heading out for the weekend. The Brazilian friends with whom I watched most of the opening ceremony were quite puzzled by much of it. Some really thought the Queen jumped out of a helicopter and thought it utterly mad for an old woman. The sheep and sheep dogs seemed utterly strange for such a spectacle, and the part on the NHS was beyond grasp. "What a strange place that Britain is," one said. Completely different from the usual view of Britain, which is about predatory bankers and a toady for the Americans. Oh, and about football devoid of individual skill and creativity, but everyone admires the PL. Left people scratching their heads, this opening ceremony. But everyone recognized Mr. Bean, perhaps the most universally known oddball Englishman in the world. (You don't need to understand English to enjoy his tellie shows. I've watched it in several countries, and everyone loves him.) I'm afraid I'm going to miss the Bin Dipper match later today. Write lots on the site for me to catch up when I'm back on Sunday night or Monday morning. Tchauzinho, gente. (bye bye, lads.)
Total knobhead
28/07/2012 12:22:00
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Madaboutspurs jan vertonghen has captaincy experience , He is leader strong defensive creative skills helped keep the ball rolling for his side and he can score goals,Jan Vertonghen picked up the Dutch Footballer of the Year award and Ajax player of the year and defensive midfielder,He is good in the air, takes command at the back, likes to play out of defence, has a thunderous left foot strike and possesses the ability to score goals with his head. so you can't compare Jan and Dawson
sadaq
28/07/2012 12:41:00
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Sorry for more off tocpic, but I agree with TK re olympic ceremony. It was great (an unerstatement) from a british perspective, however, as for any foreign viewer, it would've been a little confusng and a strange mixture acts. I suppose it was depicting British history and a quick lesson on what Britain is all about......if a viewer from Togo or one of unprounceable islands was watching it, not sure what they would've made of it!!

For me though it was an amazing spectacle!
Critical_Spur
28/07/2012 12:49:00
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I cant believe the Looserpool bought lazy Caroll for 35 million, 8million more than the cost of Olympic Opening ceremony. One of the worst piece of business ever....
sydqcb5
28/07/2012 13:14:00
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Transfer ITK ‏@ITK_TRANSFER It is my understanding that QPR have bid for Emmanuel Adebayor. Huge ambition shown by Hughes. #qpr #mcfc #thfc I'm Sorry but how the hell are QPR going to be able to afford Adebayor what a joke if spurs cannot afford him NEITHER can QPR Also there is talk of Kaka going to West Spam ?? Seriously what are these people smoking ??? Complete idiots that live in cloud-coo-co land if you ask me ?? Thoughts p.s it really is sillly-season ??
redhotspur1234
28/07/2012 13:15:00
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lol, Critical_Spur. People in those islands can pronounce them, but probably find the word "Tottenham" unpronounceable. As one of my Brazilian friends said to me last night after watching much of the opening ceremony, the British always were an odd lot. He used a slang term that might be translated as "quirky." That's what I've always liked best about the British half of my blood. Much more endearing than the straightforward blundering of Americans. As to the topic of Spurs, make sure to provide sufficient commentary on today's match so that I can catch up, as I'll be missing it. (Going out to a farm for the weekend, with some sheep and dogs, as it is. It's just after 9 a.m. and I'm off.) COYS, and embarrass the bin dipping scourers and their yachting American ownership.
Total knobhead
28/07/2012 13:23:00
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When I tell Brazilians that I support Tottenham Hotspurs, they never can pronounce the name of our club.
Total knobhead
28/07/2012 13:25:00
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redhotspur123 ..... It might be in our best interests if one of the deals you've mentioned comes off. It'd be the wake up call that our chairman so obviously needs and it might also shake the faith put in him by the delusional ILIT brigade who seem to think that the summer has been a success so far. Granted we've got shot of a manager who'd reached his peak but when you consider that King has retired and Vertonghen come in. It becomes clear that that was a replacing job and not a strengthning one.
thfc1882whl
28/07/2012 13:26:00
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AVB reports no further bids for Luka Modric . So what was the first bid then which was probably by Real Madrid ?.
To use the words "There have been no further bids ,no improved bids " must mean at least one bid has been put in & turned down .
Why don`t Spurs just tell them the price they want or phuck off ?
big cockeral
28/07/2012 13:27:00
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Rumours I have heard ( although press are spouting soooo much bs at the moment) is that avb wants cash only (not a player) and that sahin is not keen. They would be my reservations and I like the idea of Joe Allen teaming up with sandro and siggurdsson.
Windlespur
28/07/2012 13:52:00
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1882, man you got that right. DL needs to get a wake up call from the Hammers! What a laugh. Maybe DL should arrange for Spurs to spend a season in the Championship so the "ILI don't T brigade" could get a wake up call. Really wish this transfer business was as simple as Football Manager! Just look at the Holiet business. Everybody wants him but do you see any big name teams running after him, no! Because most managers don't see anything special about him. Decent player on a bad team! But you guys; QPR shows ambition! Bull! They are buying the best they can afford! Now you're slating Levy because he was smart enough to actually replace a player who could hardly walk with a player of quality and suggesting that shows no ambition, no improvement. Siggy is 10 times the player Krancjar is, much smarter footballer and a lot more energy. Both signings so far have been improvements, lifted up the quality of the club! Get real.
jvd
28/07/2012 14:32:00
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Big C, haven't we told them the price? £40m. That's what we want. We have received one bid of £27m and no one else has lodged another formal bid. Yes ILIT to do what is right for the club, despite the gripers (not including you in that) moans. I believe we have another 2 weeks to run in this saga.
jvd
28/07/2012 14:38:00
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I can't see any top players going to France in much of a hurry because of the new government's income tax increases. 75% tax on earnings over £300k ? They'll be leaving in droves.
HuddersfieldYiddo
28/07/2012 14:39:00
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jvd - Maybe they`ll meet in the middle & Modric will go for around the £33 million mark .
big cockeral
28/07/2012 14:44:00
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HY, is that a very recent tax increase? If so that might Spur Remy to make the move! Can't see that being sustainable for any one unless there are a lot of loopholes.
jvd
28/07/2012 14:49:00
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jvd ... I haven't once said or suggested we should go for Hoilett. As for DL arranging a seson in the championship, if he doesn't get his finger out soon we're liable to be fighting for league position with those recently promoted teams anyway. How far are we gonna get if the great and wise Levy doesn't get us at least 2 strikers? As for getting real, how real is it to trust a bloke whose only quality purchase fo the last 7 windows has been VDV. A last minute too good to refuse bargain who has never been fully fit and doesn't look any closer this year either. Yes I tend to expect the worst but I'm always hoping for the best but can you honestly tell me that an accountant is the best guy to say how much a player is worth? Through a lack of foresight at all levels we find ourselves with 1 striker worthy of the name. Every club around the world will know this and hang us out to dry on prices because we can't afford to walk away and say "Ok we'll stck with what we've got". Because the "real" truth is we've got diddly squat up front. When we fail to finish top 4 with what you think is an improved squad how will you explain it? And if you're right 'll gladly hold my hands up and admit I was wrong. If we start the season with what we have right now, we'll be out of contention by bonfire night.
thfc1882whl
28/07/2012 14:52:00
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I'm thinking more along the lines of £35m Big C! That may be where the Sahin rumor has come from. The Special One might be trying to do a cash plus loan (sans wages) for Modric. £33m plus £2m in savings from Modric wages and getting a good player for free for 1 year. Everybody's trying to be creative so they dont get labelled as making a bad deal.
jvd
28/07/2012 14:59:00
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1.80deg16minW268
2.MAN ON!149
3.Spursex147
4.meee93136
5.Highgatespur127
6.Kinygerbils122
7.Nick Real Deal114
8.spursgirl_4_life113
9.raphaellau108
10.Big Chiv103