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Are the Stars Worth it?

Are the Stars Worth it?

I may not be too old yet, but I have had the pleasure of seeing some of the top players in the world play for Spurs during their prime years.

Players such as Ossie and Ricky, Hoddle, Gazza, Lineker, Teddy, Ginola, Klinsmann, Berba , Docherty and more. We signed some of those players, at the height of their career, during a time when there was still some sanity in football. Today however, I suggest that we could never have signed Gazza, Klinsmann or Lineker. One of the big stories of the summer transfer window was the story of HULK. Not the Marvel character, but the 26 year old, Brazilian, Porto striker, who with presumably the world at his feet, for some reason chose to go to ply his trade in Russia with Zenit.

This may sound a little disingenuous to the Russian league, but why would a player like that choose to play in Russia at the height of his career instead of one of the bigger leagues. We all know that he had other options, at least us and Chelsea were linked. Similarly, we have been linked to Huntelaar in the past, but he chose to sit on the bench at RM and AC Milan instead. Why?

Our story was the usual, linked to lots of big names, didn't land any of them, but should we really be worried? Are the stars worth signing anymore? The emergence of the 'Sugar Daddy' clubs has completely changed the face of football transfers. Clubs like Chelsea, City, PSG and the Russian clubs are awash with money and are caught up in their own power struggle for football domination. Without any form of regulation, transfer values have soared, and wages have become obscene.

HULK transferred to Zenit for a reported £32M, whilst RVP is reported to be on Rooneyesque wages. Meanwhile back at Spurs Lodge we were negotiating with Porto over a £22M deal for Moutinho. This is a player who in 2010 moved from Sporting to Porto for a reported ~£8M. In two years, his value supposedly has increased by £14M. When the wages are factored, would this transfer have made any sense for THFC? Do the numbers stack up?

This story can be repeated for almost any big name signing, and Spurs are now in a place where they just cannot compete with the rich clubs for the big players anymore. Any attempt to do so will just result in financial disaster for the club. I cannot remember the last truly big named player we signed via a straight forward transfer. Ade was a loan/perm, VDV was a lastminute.com.

Players themselves have also IMO changed. There was a time when players wanted to play for the shirt, whoever they played for, now it seems it is only for money, and high profile. Does it matter that much to a player if he earns only K80 per week as opposed to K120? How much can anybody spend? Surely a player wants to play.

With this in mind, how does the club go forward and compete with the best? There is no way that I want to see THFC do a Leeds or Portsmouth, and reading the net spends of PSG (~£120M) and even Southampton (~33M) it is clear that if FFP rules are to have any bite, then these clubs and others could be in trouble. Southampton could be in trouble anyway, with that type of net spend.

I truly don't think that the stars are worth it anymore, and as much as the fans love a big named signing I don't feel that they provide value for money, and it is not worth the club being screwed over financially just to make a statement of intent. I feel we need to get back to the scouting and development that brought us Bale, Modric, Berba, et al. Many European clubs such as Ajax and Porto, sell their best, but they nearly always have quality to replace them with.

I would like to see THFC through good scouting and a strong academy, create the stars of the future, that way we will always have quality and will not have to pay stupid money for it. So, over to the forum, are the stars worth it? Are they affordable, or is it a thing of the past? Does anybody think that signing a star player is a statement of intent and is this important?

Written by Cleveland ARTSPURS

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Writer:Cleveland ARTSPURS
Date:Friday September 7 2012
Time: 12:47PM

Comments

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what is happening to this site????
Big Ron
07/09/2012 12:50:00
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I mean that cinema ad taking over the screen
Big Ron
07/09/2012 12:54:00
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I remember writing something some time ago about the idea of having a Tottenham team walk out in our new stadium, filled with players that we had either brought through the youth ranks or bought in at a very young age and nurtured and improved them as players. much like we have with Bale and walker for example. as long as there are mega money owners and there always will be, we will never be able to truly compete with theur unfair and unreasonable spending, so we either have to accept second best and perhaps top 6-8 every season or look to bring through our own. That might still make us a best of the rest team, but at least we would get pleasure in seeing our bringing through our players. To counter that though, I would say how disappointed, though not surprised at the hugely unfair criticism jake Livermore has received this season, which perhaps makes my earlier comments wrong. I imagine there are few more loyal spurs players than Jake and I bet he is first in and last out for training, yet he is given massive stick by some and that is totally wrong in my opinion
oxfordspur
07/09/2012 12:54:00
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or is it just my mac that is affected?
Big Ron
07/09/2012 12:55:00
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what do you mean Big Ron?
spu 4 life
07/09/2012 12:55:00
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Oh i see it's an add for LAWLESS, just close it top right, i think it's a le scum link
spu 4 life
07/09/2012 12:56:00
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its an ad for "lawless" starting in the cinema
Big Ron
07/09/2012 12:57:00
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By the time our new stadium is built, Bale will be playing for real madrid and jenas will still be going out on loan.
spu 4 life
07/09/2012 12:58:00
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Though nothing to do with me, Sorry about the Lawless *****e, it is a set up from the promotors or something that has fecked up. only supposed to show once a day or something. Think it is only a problem on some operating systems and I know it is a real pain on Macs which I am using
oxfordspur
07/09/2012 12:58:00
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Big Ron is it a flashy mac, you know the ones people wear in the park, on late nights?
spu 4 life
07/09/2012 13:00:00
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Is this film any good, might be worth a look, vital lawless..
spu 4 life
07/09/2012 13:02:00
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Ox i couldn't agree more with what you just said. I think Jake is a quality player and still developing. I see him as similar to Darren Fletcher. I will support the lad and i actually like the way he breaks up play and makes the simple passes. I also think he has been the better of the 2 CM this season (Sandro). this is just my opinion. But i think some Spurs fans would look at him differently if his name was Livermoreo from Brazil!
JonnyArdiles
07/09/2012 13:03:00
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Sorry about the double post!!
JonnyArdiles
07/09/2012 13:03:00
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Ox i couldn't agree more with what you just said. I think Jake is a quality player and still developing. I see him as similar to Darren Fletcher. I will support the lad and i actually like the way he breaks up play and makes the simple passes. I also think he has been the better of the 2 CM this season (Sandro). this is just my opinion. But i think some Spurs fans would look at him differently if his name was Livermoreo from Brazil!
JonnyArdiles
07/09/2012 13:03:00
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Big Ron - I saw that. P*ssed me off that I declined and they still re-opened it a couple more times over the top of VS. Poor stuff from the site owners to let that sort of thing happen. I'm also on a MAC.
muttley
07/09/2012 13:05:00
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What bugs me about this subject is that MAN U have had the best of it for years and years will big signings, now they can't compete with City and Chelsea etc they're calling for changes. As a spurs fan we've had our share of big names, but the gap is widening. I think something should be done - Start by shooting the Agents and take it from there
SPUDMAN
07/09/2012 13:06:00
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Yeah, good point Ox and I agree with the sentiments of the article. Let's take pleasure in seeing our squad perform at such a high standard, despite the lack of dollar. Although, there's probably teams with less than us moaning about clubs like Spurs with all that money. That's professional football, I guess. Let's do everything to encourage true Spurs players, which for better or worse includes Daws, Jake, etc. It's not just English players though, it's clear who cares about the club.
SamParadise
07/09/2012 13:07:00
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Ox you are dead right and Im a cul-prate of the "slating Livermore" crew... It is wrong!! I guess frustration and optimism on my part, gets mixed up and comes out with the pointing of a finger. So for that I do apologise. However, he is not that good a player (yet) and should be squad player rather than 1st choice. IMO
scamps-spurs
07/09/2012 13:08:00
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I will be honest in my opinion about Livermore. He is a decent squad player, a player after one or two years with us, will be very dissatisfied with lack of first team football. I don't mind him staying as a squad rotation, but I can see him demanding first team football in a couple of years. I watched him, he can tackle, but most often commit the foul too, he can make simple pass, but once he tried the better option, he lose the possesion. Sandro at least close down opponents more urgently, support the attacks, try to build attacks from the back. Livermore will be O'hara version 2.0 in my opinion. You can say he is loyal, but once lack of first team football, he will not be as loyal.
what_sux
07/09/2012 13:11:00
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Good whole-sum article OX!!! (if there's ever such a thing) However you look at it... times have changed and we need to change with it or unfortunately be left and satisfied with Mid-table. Is any player on the planet really worth 50k a week? Its a sport at the end of the day but its lucrative and thats why its run as a business first and foremost... I think. Big signings mean more revenue in t-shirt sales, sponsors etc etc etc. its a snowball effect and if we can keep plugging away with finding hidden gems in amongst the chaos... Why not spend the money? You have got to be in it to win it and we have not done badly by not being in the Champions league if you look at the quality we have signed and have held onto.
scamps-spurs
07/09/2012 13:17:00
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this article will have frank 'spend money like water' having a go! like to know how he is in real life, bet he's as tight as the preverbial ducks anus.........................easy to spend other peoples money.
jabbatheyid
07/09/2012 13:19:00
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nice article by Cleveland ARTSPURS, hopefully proper scouting will be the way to go.
what_sux
07/09/2012 13:23:00
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Oh Sh!t... for some strange reason I thought it was OX who wrote this! Shame on you OX! lol Well done Cleveland ARTSPURS...
scamps-spurs
07/09/2012 13:27:00
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Even Chelsea with all their money found it difficult to buy Hulk because he is also partly owned by some investors. That is not allowed in England, but it`s ok in Russia.
dannylane
07/09/2012 13:44:00
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Cleveland ARTSPURS - I seem to remember Bent, Bentley and Modric being pretty high end transfers at the time. We was even on the verge of signing Arshavin for a record transfer.

I agree with your sentiments surrounding the sugar daddys but some players are just simply worth it. Lionel Messi, Eden Hazard, Iniesta, Christiano Ronaldo, The real Ronaldo, Thierry Henry and players alike are all worth their weight in gold. They perform to such high standards that their wage and transfer fee is justified, as it will propel the club into super status and perhaps pay itself of through advertisement, tournament winnings, advertisement and ofcourse sponsorships.

What you mustn't confuse is a world class player, with an overated one. Rooney, Benzema, Hulk, Moutinho are all a grade below the former mentioned. The parent clubs tend to THINK that they are of the same calibre but the obvious is they aren't. Spurs tend to look more closely to these second rate superstars and ofcourse the parent clubs will demand first class superstar money. The same could be said with the way we conduct our own transfers in the sales of Carrick and Berbatov who were never world class, but ofcourse good players in their respective positions for what they can do with a football.

Similarly to your Porto - Moutinho reference, Modric's price skyrocketed after some very good performances in the PL. This is the way of football. People buy players according to form and age rather than class. You only have to look as far as Michael Owen to see this but ofcourse there are exceptions as was the case in the Torres to Chelsea deal.

Drogba in my opinion is still worth his weight in gold. It's still possible to sign "superstars" without spending masses but i'm equally happy to spend fortunes given the player targetted is the real deal, and not just a good player at the peak of his career.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 13:51:00
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what_sux - Great comment and it is ofcourse why Arsenal have been able to spend so long in the top four without spending masses on players. Unfortunately it isn't possible to be a runner up for the PL title without spending masses of cash. Chelsea, City and United will always be up there with the best until A. transfer regulations are brought in (wage caps etc) B. Another team joins the sugardaddy bandwagon or C. Those clubs somehow manage to get bankrupt...
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 13:56:00
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OX - Livermore may well be loyal, first in last out at training etc, but getting top 4 and CL has nothing to do with "loyal". it's about whether players are good enough.
Hot_Spur
07/09/2012 14:05:00
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Hot_Spur - Although you are right, when you have a toss up between Huddlestone, Livermore or Jenas, considering Livermore is younger and puts more effort into training, i think i know who i'd select.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 14:06:00
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What we need to do more of is buy players like Moutinho while they're still valued at £8 million.
flipper
07/09/2012 14:12:00
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Berbatov not world class??? There has rarely been better.
Hot_Spur
07/09/2012 14:15:00
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Unless you've got really good scouts 1 in 100 turn good, so in the long run you might aswell have spent 40 Million on Eden Hazard
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 14:17:00
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Hot_Spur - Please tell me that you don't seriously think Berbatov is world class? Some of the PL's elite would struggle to be classed in the world class category such as Andy Cole and Alan Shearer and your seriously suggesting Berbatov is world class?
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 14:20:00
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Ryan - he may not be now but he was 5-6 years ago. His skill and brilliance were often breathtaking.
Hot_Spur
07/09/2012 14:23:00
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We sold him 4 years ago for 30 million!!!!! of Course he was world class!!!!!! Even when he had a bad season he scored 20+ for United. Fergy did not utilise him the way he should have been because of Fergys blue eye Troll Rooney (who is also World Class!!!) ... Please Ryan... Have a break Have a Kit-Kat
scamps-spurs
07/09/2012 14:29:00
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Berbatov is world class - end of. Best touch in world football... rarely does a players style and skill encapsulate the word class quite so well. Usually agree with you on most things Ryan but we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Berbatov, modric and king are the only three world class players to play at the lane since Klinsman... and possibly Ginola at a push. Then you've got to go back to Gascoigne and then Hoddle. Basically 5 in circa 25 years!
SanchezSpur
07/09/2012 14:34:00
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P.s Rooney is NOT, i repeat NOT world class.. most over rated player in world football... why? because he's english so he MUST be a superstar right? Wrong.. unfortunately for England. Wrong.
SanchezSpur
07/09/2012 14:36:00
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What we do have now is a world class keeper who isn't going to start... pffft. Ridiculous. Man of the match or no man of the match... Friedel shouldn't start against Reading.. Need to get him bedded in before the likes of Utd come calling. No point waiting, throw him in. He's a superstar signing and it'll give the whole team and the fans a boost... do it.
SanchezSpur
07/09/2012 14:39:00
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Forgot Linekar - best striker in world football late 80's/early 90's - ooops!
SanchezSpur
07/09/2012 14:41:00
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Sanchez - And if you go back a bit further than 25 years - Jimmy Greaves
Hot_Spur
07/09/2012 14:49:00
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King i'll agree, shame about his form, Modric i'll agree, never seen anyone dictate a game aswell as he does and supports it with a combination of dribbling and passing ability, Berbatov, fantastic player, never up there with my favourites of all time. I did want him back at the lane even now, but to be honest he isn't in my top 10 PL strikers of all time let alone world class.

I guess however it's a matter of opinion and how low you set the bar. It would be hard to suggest Berbatov is world class but Rooney never was.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 14:50:00
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Bale and Berbatov are very near the mark players, but i think to be fair judged on their consistancy you can't call them world class. They had the ability to be world class, but you only had to look as far as Berbatovs attitude or Bale's selfishness/form to differntiate them from the rest.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 14:52:00
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Dirty Sanchez... Rooney not world class??? Oh well, then i wonder why he as been in the top 10 goal scorer's of the EPL since 2005/6 season
scamps-spurs
07/09/2012 14:52:00
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Haven't seen much of Berba since he left spurs, I will be interested to see how well he does for Fulham. If he still has the deft touches it will be worth watching Fulham just to see Berba.
Hot_Spur
07/09/2012 14:55:00
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Thanks for the comments guys, and thanks to OX for publishing this article. @Ryan, fully agree about players like Messi and Ronaldo. They are top drawer, WC players and are an asset to any team. The problem is we would have no chance of buying them. If we got them young, we couldn't keep them. I wanted to find out what people thought about the making a statement of intent argument. I hear people say it here all the time, but is it really worth it? Does it really mean anything? Lerner made one when he bought Bent for 24M, FSG also when they bought Carroll for 35M. Crazy money for average players, Carroll is now on loan at W. Ham only 18 months after signing for L'Pool. DL takes a lot of criticism over his dealings, but you can see how hard it is to appease the fans with signings, whilst trying to get value for the club.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
07/09/2012 14:55:00
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Hot_Spur - He will score bundles for Fulham if they're midfield still holds any strength without Dembele and Dempsey. Like i said very good player, but i wouldn't compare his form from 4 years ago to the likes of even some of todays world class let alone history. I'd sooner have had Falcao, Et'o, Tevez, Aguero, Cavani, and the list goes on.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 14:57:00
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not to mention top 15 assists of ALL time in the EPL... (However I still cant stand Rooney) just saying
scamps-spurs
07/09/2012 14:58:00
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Rooney has been the key striker for a team that has won multiple premierships, won and been in multiple FA Cup and CL finals. Been nominated for multiple individual player of the year awards, from England to Europe to world level. A top scorer and creator. I think he is world class. Berbatov's career isnt as great and I can see why people might think he isnt, but technically, there aren't many better. I believe some of you guys have set the bar too high, to the point where you only see iconic, legendary players like Ronaldo and Messi as world class, a mistake ive made in the past also.
Guyver
07/09/2012 14:59:00
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Cleveland ARTSPURS - Indeed we have little to no chance of signing them. Like i said buying the fake superstars is dangerous. They never live up to their price tag (Bent, Bentley, Carol)
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 14:59:00
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Well said Guyver!!!
scamps-spurs
07/09/2012 15:01:00
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Guyver - Seriously that's not the case. Cavani, Drogba, Torres (at his best) Tevez, Falcao and we're only talking players of the now. If i look back in time and pull out the legandaries i can name you 100 players better than Berbatov and you'd find it hard to argue. He is very good, but not a world beater hence he hardly featured for United and wasn't even approached by the likes of Real or Barca.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 15:05:00
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SanchezSpur You`re talking $hit .It can`t be your opinion when facts say otherwise
big cockeral
07/09/2012 15:07:00
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whilst I absolutely agree with the sentiment of the article let me just state that the sentence: ....."and Spurs are now in a place where they just cannot compete with the rich clubs for the big players anymore. Any attempt to do so will just result in financial disaster for the club".....absolutely wrong....sorry...ENIC are absolutely more than capabable of signing big name players for over inflated transfer fees and ludicrous wage demands....whether they want to or not is another question...if Joe Lewis had the same ego as Abramovich then Spurs would not want for anything....if an Oil sheik wants a scalextric set he buys Ferrari..if he wants a cowboy and indians outfit he buys Mancity.....ENC could fund the most expensive team in the Premiership...but they dont want too, why? because success is not at any price...success must be achieved on the cheap..........Joe Lewis is not interested in Football..period..he has been looking to off load Spurs for some time now....quote from harry Hotspur: (The reason for our inactivity and everything else is that I’ve been told Spurs have been sold to the Kharafi Family. They are from Kuwait and they tried to buy Liverpool once before. The main man there is the 29th richest person in the world. Deal is not done, but its close. Should be announced next week"..... it didnt happen but the intent was clear......the only reason why he has allowed the new stadium to go through is because he knows the Club may increse in value especially with a stadium that has yet to get the naming rights...Levy is Joe Lewis's accountant...Levy knows slightly more about Football than Lewis.......we are never going to buy big at this club, not now and not ever... as long as Joe Lewis and Levy are at the Top Table.........
OyVeh Maria
07/09/2012 15:09:00
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Ryan - Forget Falcao he is currently the best striker on the planet by a Country mile. However, some of the other's you mention, coincidently I was reading an article on Berbatov which included statistics only a couple of days ago, comparing him with the likes of Tevez, Aguero, etc and Berbatov's statistics came out miles better. I'll see if I can find the article.
Hot_Spur
07/09/2012 15:11:00
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Ryan, I said I can understand why people might say Berbatov is not world class, it would be hard to argue that he is. You'd have to form a subjective argument based on his skills rather than look at his career achievements, but with Rooney, that's not the case. He's done too much in his career for him not to be labeled as world class.
Guyver
07/09/2012 15:11:00
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Holy sheeeet... Big C tell it like it is homeboy!! lol... Its 4.30 here in cape town and Big C has put me in the mood for a Pint or 8!!!
scamps-spurs
07/09/2012 15:14:00
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Of course we can't afford the real top stars, we of course have a potential sugar daddy in Joe Lewis, a multi billionaire but he is not prepared to invest seriously in the football club. Having said all that you can still make good progressive signings without trying to break the bank, but you need a plan in place to 1) Know exactly what you want to do. 2) Identify the type of players you need, to put in place your strategy.3) Scout those that are available, at a price that you can afford. 4) Find out if they would come, and how much they are looking for in wages (tap up their agent). 5) Contact their club, carry out the necessary negotiations. 6) Sign the player, job done. If you look at for example the Newcastle team they have signed Kroll, Tiote, Cabaye, Cisse, Ben Arfer, and Demba Ba, all without spending megga money. We knew that we would be losing Modric 6 months agao, and should have been ear marking a list of likely replacements then. This is exactly the way Wenger works at Arsenal, he loses top players on a regular basis, but repairs the damage, and still qualifies for the CL every season. Firstly you need a club playing ethic, but you don't get that by the chairman hiring and firing 7 managers in 10 years.
Frank
07/09/2012 15:15:00
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Guyver - Lack of pace, lack of teamwork, lack of spirit, lack of ambition to win the ball back, lack of hair, take your pick. I shouldn't be able to say more than one of those about a world class player, yet i can name several.

It's a matter of opinion because it can easily be said "if you haven't won a fifa world player of the year award you're not world class" but in my books Berbatov is quite far down my list rather than very high up.

If we're comparing him to Spurs players of old, yes he is up there with one of OUR best, but simply not one of the best the world has ever had at any stage to offer.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 15:15:00
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The comments regarding world class footballers is so stifling, that it makes me wonder if any of you know how to play football???
scamps-spurs
07/09/2012 15:17:00
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Hot_Spur - I'd like to read it however statistics can be cherry picked to suit an argument, which is why most debates surrounding football are never ending. If you'd like to compare Berbatov's stats at Spurs vs Tevez at United i'd say that was fair. Aguero hasn't been on the pitch long enough in a fit state to be able to make logical comparisons, but watching him play you only need to look at the difference in their skill sets.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 15:18:00
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All those weaknesses Ryan and you can name several more, yet with all that holding him back, he earned £30m signing for 1 of the greatest teams in the world and was top scorer for them. So im sure you can see the argument from the other side. He's like the Mike Tyson of football, ie, he's exciting, flashy, undeniably talented, but his legacy will always be in doubt because of his mental weaknesses, lack of spirit and motivation. For the record, im on the fence with Berba..
Guyver
07/09/2012 15:26:00
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Ryan - Tes you can "manipulate" statistics if the author is so minded, however, since goal scoring stats are based on pure mathematics, they cannot be manipulated IF PRESENTED PROPERLY. Still looking for the article.
Hot_Spur
07/09/2012 15:27:00
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@Oyveh, you highlight an interesting contradiction that appears to "flow" through our club in that we do have a billionaire owner, but he won't invest in the first team like Ambramovich or the Sheik. It's like owning a Ferrari, but being too tight to buy the petrol for it. It makes me wonder what Joe Lewis would do if Spurs ever did get into any serious financial trouble.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
07/09/2012 15:34:00
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@Frank, what you said about making progressive signings is so true. It's the only successful way forward for our club under the current business model. Most people on this site are intelligent enough to see that, and I am sure that fans in the wider Spurs community are also. The problem is that DL and ENIC still seem to think that wafting a LLorente, Moutinho, or an Aguero under our collective noses is enough to convince fans that we are still dining at the top table of world football.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
07/09/2012 15:41:00
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re the article, id be ok with us never breaking our transfer record for as long as the current market stays as it is. But thats only if we are constantly producing or buying Europes top prospects, on an endless conveyor belt of talent, so that losing players like Modric won't have as much of an impact as we'd always have the next best thing looking to step up. As hudd was supposed to do when we lost Carrick. Easier said than done im sure.
Guyver
07/09/2012 15:45:00
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Cleveland, if you look at what Joe Lewis and his Tavistock Group ownes, THFC is hardly the Ferrari!
dannylane
07/09/2012 15:55:00
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Guyver - I hope your not basing your judgement on the 30mil paid by united who also happened to spend stupid money on Carrick. If you look at his whole career he had one good season in the PL which was with United where he scored 20 goals in 32 apps. His best years were at Bayern from 2003 till he joined Spurs but arguably that league is/was weaker at the time.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 15:56:00
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Hot_Spur - Spurs goals are something like 12 in 33aps 15 in 31 aps, Manchester goals are something like 9 in 31 12 in 33 20 in 33 5 in 7.

Look at Tevez first two seasons at City when he was at his peak. Much better player. Statistics don't lie you say?
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 16:00:00
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Statistically Berbatov is not world class. I can see as a Spurs fan why you would suggest such a thing as he was one of our best for a very long time. I liked Berbatov and i thought he had a great first touch and had a few tricks up his sleeve but to be perfectly honest he was far from what i class as a world class player. You might aswell say Michael Owen and Carlton Cole are world class if you're going to suggest Berbatov is.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 16:03:00
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Dannylane, they may own over 200 companies in 15 countries, but to me Spurs will always be the Ferrari lol.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
07/09/2012 16:04:00
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"Are the star players worth it". How do you measure the value or worth of a footballer, or a house, or a second hand car, or a work of art. There are no standard criteria to work to, so the value is the best guess of somebody experianced enough to deduse what you can sell it for, therefore the true value is what the market is prepared to pay for it. That is the only objective measure, once we are reduced to opinion, and comparison, that becomes totally subjective.
Frank
07/09/2012 16:05:00
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Frank - I think you need to dig a little bit deeper than to bring economics into it. Is Andy Caroll in todays market worth 30mil of Spurs money? No. Is Aguero worth 30mil of Spurs money? Possibly. Is Falcao worth 30 mil of Spurs money? Yes.

It's not a difficult question unless you make it.
RyanHotSpur
07/09/2012 16:07:00
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Ryan - In Berbas ManU career he scored 48 in 108 appearances. That's gettin close to 1 in 2 which not many strikers better. HOWEVER, many of Berbas appearances for united were as a sub, that makes a BIG difference. The correct way to construct goal stats is goals per minute played, NOT goals per game. I don't have the goals per minute stats to hand but they are by no means below world class.
Hot_Spur
07/09/2012 16:08:00
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Cleveland ARTSPURS, you are right we are the victims of a "three card trick" every transfer window with the name game re. top players, phantom deals that don't materialise etc.etc. but it works, becuase we fall for it every time, or some of us do.
Frank
07/09/2012 16:09:00
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I don't have a judgement Ryan, im quite undecided, if anything I lean slightly more to your position. Im really just saying that he has so many obvious flaws, that there must be something special about him that would make 1 of the greatest managers of all time spend that sort of money on a 28 year old. Its this "special something" that people are focusing on when they label him world class. I can understand their point of view.
Guyver
07/09/2012 16:15:00
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Cleveland...as long as it`s not a Bentley!
dannylane
07/09/2012 16:17:00
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