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Tottenham Hotspur vs. Queens Park Rangers.

It seems that AVB and the players have nearly completed their attempts to go from zero's to hero's with two impressive showings, but the question is whether they can make that three.

In fairness QPR at home isn't the hardest game on paper. A team that still looks disjointed after Mark Hughes decided to bring in enough players to almost completely change the team, and it seems that confidence and cohesion are still on the low side and playing them early, might be the perfect time to grab 3 points and build on our own improving fortunes.

Despite the result on Thursday, I was actually very pleased with the performance. Lazio are a decent side, but were beaten in every way but the scoreline and in watching all of the new players, plus Steven Caulker, look so composed, must be seen as a major positive for AVB and will give him some very nice headaches in the coming weeks.

Kyle Naughton and Emmanuel Adebayor will undergo fitness tests before the game, and of course Parker, Livermore, BAE, Kaboul and Gomes are all still out. The possible loss of Naughton on top of BAE will probably be the biggest worry, as his missing the game will either force Jan Vertonghen to revert to left back or perhaps give Adam Smith a game, though would we rule out either Bale or Townsend filling in for one game, which would be a very bold statement from the manager.

QPR may only have 2 points from their opening four games, but when two of those games were against Chelsea and Man City, it doesn't seem too much of a disaster, and the point secured Chelsea, will be seen as a real positive, though how much of that was due to row new found bitterness following the Ferdinand/Terry fall out, which might have added much more fire into the Rangers bellies.

Along with the late test on Naughton, AVB will probably have to give some real thought to his central defensive pairing. If Vertonghen has to move to left back, it might see AVB dodge a difficult decision between Caulker and Gallas and who partners the Belgium. Caulker was outstanding against Lazio, but Gallas has the experience and is still quality. Caulker would probably be the fans pick and is sure to get his chance, but I wonder if AVB values the experience and leadership qualities of Gallas, which might just give him the edge, though I feel it only a matter of time before the youngster becomes a first choice for club and perhaps country.

Brad Friedel will probably return in goal, but like Gallas, and a few others, it is now such a close call, today, but you do feel that the change in inevitable sooner, rather than later. Further up the field, you wonder how close clint Dempsey is to getting a starting place, probably over Gylfi Sigurdsson? Both again look top quality and look players that are good enough to start, but this like the other tight decisions only back up the thinking that this is now a squad with genuine depth of equal quality, which will make rotation and competition a must and also of benefit in terms of keeping things fresh and the players hungry.

Three points tomorrow, wont put Spurs back in the top Prem places, but it will continue to discredit the doubters, who were so quick to question AVB and his ability and suddenly 8 points from five games looks far better than the two from three a week ago...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday September 22 2012

Time: 4:05PM

Your Comments

COYS 3 points is a must!
spurfect one
Watching Chelsea v Stoke. Can't imagine what it must be like to be a Stoke fan. Ouch. Pure counter attacking side with not much bite.
jvd
Just watching Crouch lose the ball constantly brings back such frustrating memories.
jvd
Lloris in goal for a first premier clean sheet!
Little spur
Should be 8 points in 5 games (not 4 games).
jvd
Can't believe Stoke allow that goal.
jvd
chelsea will eventually come unstuck this year im still convinced. as for tomorrow. 3 points a must an a top quality performance. 3-0 degoe bale lennon.
BrooksySpurs
8 pts from Five games. Thats what I wrote :-)
oxfordspur
If there was and fairness in football journalism (and I use that term advisedly) the headlines after this game would be calling for DiMatteo's head. Chelsea have played utter crap. Talk about poor finishing lots of possession but no penetration. If Spurs had their striking talent we would, IMHO, do a lot better than them....very biased view!
jvd
Ox, I think it's time I changed my glasses :)
In-spurs-ational
Hope the ref will be Chris Foy :))
Rip The Reds Apart
Looked at the table,the highest we can go with a win 2mo is seventh although that means arsenal would have to beat city by 2 clear goals. Lets hope its a draw which keeps us 1 point behind both teams. A win 2mo is vital, puts us 5 points from top and right in the mix.
spurfect one
I would take 1-0. It will be a tough match.
Shannon
Off topic and one of the only decent things to come from goal.com. This will be my new screensaver for a while. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/4051/cartoon-of-the-day/2012/09/22/3394618/-
MEMPHIS SPURS
I don't suppose that Ade will start even if fit and Verts looked so solid on the left of centre that he will probably want to keep him there. If Naughts is out playing Gallas at LB might be an option to keep Caulker in. Then its just either Demps or Siggy. I'll take one-nil but will be very disappointed if the shots total isn't 15+.
Love totty
Friedel is very good. I can remeber only one mistake he has ever made playing for Spurs that has led to us conceding a goal. It was against Swansea last season. With that kind of consistency he deserves to keep his place. Lloris is a good keeper to have though, and I hope he has a long, happy career with Spurs. Oh, and Barthez is a twit.
Shannon
If we play like we did against Lazio we should win comfortably.
MrSpurs
I don't know how relevant this is considering that QPR seem to have not just a new team but an entirely new squad, but their last fifteen premier league matches have seen them W0 D3 L12. Of course we are generally very accommodating when it comes to ending losing runs.
In-spurs-ational
Meant to say their last fifteen premier league matches played AWAY from home
In-spurs-ational
The GK situation is difficult as I can understand why AVB doesn't want to upset team spirit by dropping Friedel for no real reason. Everyone knows Lloris is better and will our no.1 it's just how AVB man manages the situation.
MrSpurs
Shannon, Brad is good but Lloris is better. However it is right that Brad stays in goal for us as he is "on form" and it sends out the right message to the rest of the team - play well and stay in the team. I would make Lloris number one after the Man U game as no doubt Brad will let in a few goals in our annual defeat at Old Trafford
In-spurs-ational
I would play Bale left back, he knows the role well, it would keep him on the left and give him plenty of runway to hit top speed. As long as the left winger is willing to defend too it could be great
Guernman
Starting X1 for tomorow...

.....BALE..............DEFOE...............LENNON......

.....DEMBELE........DEMPSEY.........SANDRO.......

...NAUGHTON....VERTS....CAULKER...WALKER...

.......................FRIEDEL..............................

I am seeing the same starting X1 from the Lazio game with maybe GALLAS coming in for CAULKER, but i hope not as i think CAULKER stepped up a level against Lazio and proved his worth alongside VERTS..

Brad will hold his starting place, again im hoping LLORIS can soon fix his place as our No1... AVB must always have it in his mind that bar an injury, Brad will at some point have to break his continuous starting record..

Parker would be a nice bonus if fit, but as Sandro is playing like a giant then i am not to worried about that.

It would be nice to see Adeebayor get at least 20mins... if fit...i for some reason would play the following formation just once... just to see...

will i get a slating for it.. lets see..

........................Defoe.............................
.....Bale...........Adebayor.............Lennon... ...Naughton....Verts.....Caulker.....Walker...
.........................Lloris.............................

it allows Ade and JD to play off each other... and would create that strong diamond formation of ADE, JD, DEMBELE, LENNON and BALE..... our best 5 attacker... and goalscorers... obviously with subs being SIG, DEMPS and HUDD....
Yidmarks
I won't argue the merits of our two goalies. Friedel has been excellent for us, but he has said this is his last season. If he continues his consistent performances I will be happy if he stays in the team throughout. The position seems well looked after.
Shannon
I'd stick Bale in at left back so he does what he does best, cane every player in front of him and get the ball in the box, my team Freidal, Walker, Gallas, Vertonghen, Bale, Sandro, Dembele, Dempsey, Sigi, Lennon, Defoe. give the R's aa good spanking!
Jantheman
***forgot the 2 big men..

........................Defoe.............................
.....Bale...........Adebayor.............Lennon...
..........Dembele............Sandro................
...Naughton....Verts.....Caulker.....Walker...
.........................Lloris............................
Yidmarks
if naughts is injured i wouldnt take verts out of his position. hes been different gravy for us there. if anything id put bale back there an actually think hed be more effective going forward there cos hed have to stick there an would have space to run into which is when he is at his most effective.
BrooksySpurs
Shannon, you are absolutely correct. The Swansea goal was a howler, but no one seemed to mind. If Gomes had done that oh my lord. Cost us third? What I can say is that Friedel has not stolen a single game, and will not. Lloris or Gomes can. IMO, a top keeper might well have gotten to every goal we have conceded from open play. De Gea, Cech, Hart all steal games. Reina no longer does and that's why Liverpool are falling. The old 1-0 wins are now draws or losses. I suspect AVB will start Friedel again. We will concede at least one. COYS
peterballb
Interesting stat I saw this morning. Lennon is second in the PL in chances created. Not much has come from them other than the pull back. Crosses by Lennon have gone by without anyone getting on the end of them. We all know Bale has thrown in about 10 with only Dempsey showing he has what it takes to get there. For this reason, amongst others, It's not Sigurdsson I'd be dropping to get Dempsey in, it's Defoe. I know Defoe is working hard and is playing more of a team game. He deserves better, but then so does Dawson. Like Dawson has never been as much of a boss as Caulker was the other day, Defoe will never get on the end of all these crosses. Hasn't happened in the past, not likely to happen now. For me, with a win an absolute must, I'd go with Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Vertonghen, Naughton (Bale if he can't), Sandro, Dembele, Bale (Townsend if Bale is at LB), Sigurdsson, Lennon, Dempsey. Defoe, Ade, Hudd, Smith, Gallas, Mason and Friedel on the bench. COYS
peterballb
Peter - whilst I agree to a point I do think that Friedel deserves to keep his place a little longer and to suggest that we will concede at least one is disrespectful to Friedel who for example saved us from losing against Norwich with some outstanding goalkeeping.
MrSpurs
Naughton if out, I would replace with bale and bring Dempsey in. Verts and caulker in front of Lloris/brad and leave Defoe up top. 3-0 is not impossible if we are clinical in the 1st half, Dempsey to break his duck
van der haart lane
With QPR likely to pair our old pal Ryan Nelson with Anton Ferdinand, you'd think it was the type of game an in form Defoe would relish. Though if QPR play very defensively, which is probable, then that breakthrough goal will be difficult, especially the way we've struggled to score this season. Last 5 games we've only scored 1 1st half goal, usually taking 70mins to score the opener. An early goal for us will make a difference to the dynamic of the game, which should suit us more as the game opens up. If they score 1st, we'll have to score 2 goals at WHL for the 1st time this season to have a chance of winning.
Guyver
hi long time reader 1st time commenting (a personal first). i agree with some of the sentiments here about bale at LB. am i alone in thinking we haven't seen the best out of bale in a long while? the site of him bombing it down the left and firing-in inch perfect crosses seems like a distant memory now as he's been pushed further and further up the pitch. i would love to see him take up the LB position as a little experiment but i just don't know who the best candidate to replace him on LW would be. thinking about it maybe bale @LB would be a better tactic when away at top teams, it's a lethal counter
BS Baffles Brains
Bale doesn't necessarily have to play LB to do what he does best. In the game that made him famous, (Inter Milan), he was playing left mid field but he was dropping back deep and picking the ball up from the full backs, then steaming up the wing with it. There is no reason why he can't do that, it's just that he doesn't do it anymore and hasn't really done it with any consistency since that Inter game.
Hot_Spur
welcome BS Baffles Brains! nice name ;) I would accuse you of being harry in disguise but your obvious literacy rules that out :) yeah, bale hasn't quite found his form or place in the team, I don't like the roaming free role, but I do understand the frustration of sticking to the wing constantly delivering perfect crosses only to see no-one come near to getting to them. would definitely play bale LB tomorrow if naughton is out and play townsend/lennon/sigurdsson on the wings. lennon could play left wing as he defends and tracks back well, which would suit bale and he can be quite effective cutting in on to his right foot, leaving the left wing crosses to bale. I would then leave the right wing to siggy or townsend
Guernman
MrSpurs, Friedel made two saves against Norwich, one straight at him and one to his right. Both saves every keeper at this level should make. The one that had the crowd in awe was off the crossbar. I was there. I thought he saved it. As I saw upon my return, it was directly off the bar. Two inches lower it was a goal. I believe it was much more disrespectful to have Caulker start over Dawson than to have a World Class keeper start ahead of Friedel. I said it was unfair. Doesn't change my point of view. Lloris is far better with the ball in his feet and is much better on crosses and reading the play. The goal against Reading showed how far Friedel is off this level of play. Neither went to the far post where the shot was likely to come, nor did he punch out the cross (what I expect a top keeper to do). Unfair, again, yes. Disrespectful? I don't see it. He's been average at best since December. COYS
peterballb
agreed peterballb, and what really drives me crazy about friedel is his refusal to play short passes when we pass the ball back and he has time, he just hoofs it up field and at least 70% of the time we lose possession and find ourselves under pressure. from what I saw of lloris it looks like even his long balls tend to be quite accurate passes
Guernman
Lloris' time will come and I think AVB will have a good opportunity after Old Trafford, but 300+ games at this level isn't easy so I'd stick with Brad. There'll be no blooper video of his career!! Welcome BS Baffles Brains, nice First ;-P Bale to go LB and I agree it would be good for the team and him also. He got shone when BAE was out and, IMHO, was as consistent as Messi. Not as good, but every game for about a year was either MOM or next best player. I think he needs a reminder of what made him fantastic as he's trying to be great as a No.10. Play Dempsey on the right cos he'll work hard enough and will cut in to give the space to run in to. Caulker on the bench, but like Friedel, will give AVB proper competition. 1 mistake I saw from Caulker. Can't remember what it was, but one I noted. He looks like a possible Rolls Royce in the garage... just hope he's got knees!! Fantastic home-grown prospect!! I'd bring Hudd into the middle as we need someone to make us tick over. Can push Sandro up, whilst also having someone who can take the ball from the defence. Future's Bright & Lilywhite! COYS!
melloSPUR
@ Peterballb - Can't say I agree with dropping Defoe either. Scored plenty last season from the bench, now he's starting 3 in 4 games. Not sure, really, what more you're asking for. We didn't buy £24m RVP. If you're suggesting we do a Spain and play with no striker, then you've either seen the future and that's how football will be played or I simply applaud (not sure I'll BetFred it) your faith in our team. Dempsey upfront then? Not a bad option, but not quite mine. Yours?
melloSPUR
@Peterballb - Just saw u did pick Dempsey :)
melloSPUR
Friedel, Walker, Caulker/Naughton, Gallas,Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Bale, Dempsey, Lennon, Defoe/Ade.
sydqcb5
i wish Lloris would start over Freidel because he is simply a much better GK -- I doubt it will happen though -- expect slow Brad with his dodgy kicks to be back between the sticks. Lloris against Man U could see us at least get a draw... Friedel and the hoodoo continues
Cape Town Spurs
Rose looked class for Sunderland yesterday. I'd love to have him available to play LB for Spurs now we're short.
SamParadise
Looking at the table - if results go our way, we can finish on same points as Arsenal. But looking at how competitive Everton are, I just feel we are going to have long hard season in our pursit of top4. Given we haven't yet faced top sides like United, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Everton. Count in a resilient Fulham & unpredictable L'pool, we have got some tough games ahead. And QPR today is not a easy game either. They have some really good individual players who have played in top sides on the past. The only thing going for us is their defence is weak and have lost some players of injury. We have to produce the goods today and get 3 points. Hopefully we can go under the radar and produce some results starting today.
sydqcb5
Sydqcb5 - QPR is an easy game or at least it should be at WHL.
MrSpurs
POTENTIAL BREAKING NEWS: 1. Tottenham Hotspur hope to appoint Franco Baldini as director of football to work alongside Andre Villas-Boas. 2. David Ginola, who enjoyed a glittering three-year spell at White Hart Lane, is back at the club taking his coaching badges. 3. We need to beat QPR today, anyone see a problem with keeping the same side that started against Lazio, i don't.
spu 4 life
I'd drop Defoe, all this "in form" talk, he's in the same as ever needs 2 dozen chances for one goal and can't spot a better option. But then he is better against weak defences and seeing the list of players missing for QPR I've changed my mind for this one.
Tottenham Hotcore
Keeping the same side today vs QPR, the only change i would make is the ref and his two assistants from the Lazio game. Oh we have it's Mr Phil (another penalty) Dowd,‎ any spread betting on this game, go for a penalty in 90mins play, this guy has the record of awarding the most in the prem, dive, dive, dive, he even drives a Submarine!!
spu 4 life
I would play Bale at left back. Naught on favours his right side too much for that position. Plus Dempsey can come into the front three with Defoe and Lennon. Then dembele, Sandro, siggy in the middle.that has better balance than seeing naught on struggle
michael.thfc
The naught on thing is my freakin iPad making it up as it goes along. No disrespect to Kyle Naughton
michael.thfc
Michael.THFC do you have as much trouble as I to scroll down the posts as it gets longer? Or have you found a way to go to the bottom post in one go...I'm talking about the iPad!
jvd
Sorry guys, any links for the game today? COYS!
Yido79
I think there is more to the Dawson situation than we know, otherwise he would have played against Lazio. regarding the goal we haven't had a clean sheet with Friedel since the season started. Lloris is far better and I expect him to replace the old guy as soon as he is 100% settled in with the team no matter how good performances Friedel seems to have. As long as we keep conceding goals with Friedel why wouldn't Lloris get a chance in goal?
logos8
a little harsh on Dawson to be honest. probably the most loyal player we have.
logos8
I think they are really trying to force Dawson to leave in January and that's why he wasn't picked for Lazio. Dawson just wants to fight for his place but I think avb and levy just wanted to show him that there is no place for him in the team any more and he should go.
logos8
Yido 79 http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/ I find vipbox or first row ok
spu 4 life
Adebayor is injured people, we're not gonna see him start for awhile due to his dodgy hamstring, so best get behind Defoe. Even his scuffed shots go in at the mo. Will Dempsey get a start? In place of who? Is Naughton injured? Thought he's done really well at LB thus far. Stick with Gallas/Vertongen. Lloris is a class above, I just think AVB needs to put this stupid Friedel longest-consecutive-games-starting record to bed once and for all so we can move on.
tengboon
Dawson not good enough, Caulker has already stepped up and shown he's next in line. Our centre-back situation is probably the strongest in the league right now. Just please don't fall asleep the last 5 min!!!
tengboon
Peterballb, it's a rare day that I disagree with you my fellow T Dot rez, but swapping Defoe for Dempsey makes no sense to me whatsoever, no matter what angle I look at it
tengboon
Peterballb, it's a rare day that I disagree with you my fellow T Dot rez, but swapping Defoe for Dempsey makes no sense to me whatsoever, no matter what angle I look at it
tengboon
I would swap defoe for dempsey. with so many players capable of sending good crosses in the box it is a shame not to have a competent man to jump and head for goal. defoe is too small for that.
logos8
dawson is simply not in the same league talentwise as kaboul, vertonghen or caulker. This is why i have never laid into the likes of modric for wanting to leave to madrid or berbatov to united. in the end the club does not show loyalty to loyal players - and i am not saying they should, but it does go both ways. dawson is not as good as our other options so he moves down the ladder or moves clubs to play regular first team football. if modric can orchestrate a move up the ladder to madrid then of course he is going to and should, even if it means throwing his toys about - i would too in that situation. all is fair in love and war and all that. what i never get is fans saying out with dawson or lennon, who are very loyal to the club, but are not really sought for by bigger clubs, but that modric is the antichrist for showing no loyalty
Guernman
Guernman, I don't think fans mind players leaving after all for every new player we bring in, there's a club that has just lost a player. What fans mind is how players leave. If Modric had said "I want to play for Madrid but I will give my all to spurs in the meantime" no one would have minded and he would have gone with or best wishes. If playing in Spain was such a big issue for him, he should have got some sort of release clause in his contract
In-spurs-ational
not surprising to see liverpool really up for this, but they are all over united. just shows what a difference real effort makes. they will really want the win today and I hope they get it
Guernman
That was a harsh red card for Shelvy. Killed the game as a contest.
Fanman
Good for us though. If man u can win this game then they won't be "mad" in their next home game to prove a point - they seem to play at their best after losing games
In-spurs-ational
liverpool down to 10 men but still played well in the first half. hope they put a dent on man u for spurs' sake
spurring you on
in-spurs-ational do you really hope for some points from the man united game?
logos8
In-spurs-ational, that is so true. I'd rather united won to be honest. Liverpool our are rivals... Hopefully we can overcome our inferiority complex against United and get something at OT.
Fanman
that was a quality tackle from shelvey. ferdinand scum for trying to get him sent off
BrooksySpurs
We have a really good squad at the moment. Here's hoping AVB makes the most of it. I wouldn't mind the same starting 11 that started against Lazio today. Gallas and Friedel will start though...
Fanman
MrSpurs - QPR play well against London teams - I would expect us to win it, but I dont think it will be easy. Heavy rain will only hinder our passing game.
sydqcb5
hmmmm....10 man pool scores
rovinella62spurs
Nice finish from Gerrard 1-0 to the pool.
Fanman
Cheers Spurs 4 Life & What_Sux - top men!
Yido79
An even better finish from Rafael!
Fanman
goals galore. great strike by rafael
spurring you on
Liverpool have played very well today.
Fanman
logos8, I not only hope for points at old Trafford, but I expect three points.... Unfortunately for united though
In-spurs-ational
United look to be out of ideas? I hope they play poorly against us.
Fanman
Fanman, exactly. At the end of the season man u are going to be several points ahead of us. They are not our rivals, Liverpool are, so the less points the pool get, the better
In-spurs-ational
Johnson didn't touch him. 2 bad decisions from the referee today. He didn't even have a good view.
Fanman
Our starting team vs QPR: Friedel, Walker, Gallas (C), Vertonghen, Bale, Sandro, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Dempsey, Lennon & Defoe
what_sux
Fanman, this match is really starting to worry me. United generally don't have two poor games in a row. On the bright side, if Brad is in goal for us and we get beat by a few, that might give AVB just the excuse he needs to bring in Lloris as number one
In-spurs-ational
Bale as LB, you guys wish is true ;-)
what_sux
Our starting team vs QPR: Friedel, Walker, Gallas (C), Vertonghen, Bale, Sandro, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Dempsey, Lennon & Defoe. Bale reverted to left back, because Naughton is injured. I don't have much confidence in Bale to play at left back to be honest. This is going to be a difficult game.
Fanman
And our subs today: Lloris, Caulker, Dawson, Huddlestone, Faque, Mason & Townsend
what_sux
Injuries have fecked us, just like QPR.
Fanman
Hey guys havent posted for ages really looking fwd to this one tho. Lloris to start for me why delay the inevitable, demps or siggy toss of a coin?? Defoe will def score these teams are his bread and butter.
Nate LuvsSpurs
Bale left back, this will be intresting
Nate LuvsSpurs
RVP should of seenm red. Poor officiating for Liverpool today. Without those bad decisions, I think that nited would have lost this one.
Fanman
there was contact on suarez but he still took a ridiculously theatrical dive as always so he didn't get the decision. he will keep paying for his theatrics as refs know that he dives. van persie and evans should be off if shelvey deserved red
Guernman
Nate LuvsSpurs, I reckon that he's going to a disaster at left-back, hope I'm wrong though...
Fanman
AVB didn't really have another choice though, Unless we playerd 3-5-2, and we can't even play that effectively, because weonly have one striker... Things are against us a bit here. We need a big game from Sandro, Dembele, Defoe and Bale. COYS!!!
Fanman
Dempsey will operate at Left-wing I think. Totally agree Guernman. United have had decisions in their favour today. Liverpool have been the better team.
Fanman
Liverpool fans must be furious! And what was with all of that extra time?
Fanman
what are you lot complaining about...better a manu than a pool win for m e.......less points for us to catch up to
rovinella62spurs
itll be dempsey lennon an siggy rotating among themselves. they may line up in set positions but id be very surprised if they stuck to em. bale at left back should work well going foward for me. if demps is the one who normally plays on the left then im sure he will cover him well.
BrooksySpurs
rovinella62spurs, absolutely. We are never going to catch man u. Best to make sure the real competition don't get too many points
In-spurs-ational
rovinella62spurs, I understand where you're coming from, but its never nice to see the referee influence a game so much with bad decisions.
Fanman
any decent sopcast links today?
Guernman
Great attacking team from AVB, thats what we want to see especially at home! Bale should be able to get forwards all the same with Demps cutting inside as he did at Fulham when playing in the same position. Expect a win here but not necessarily going to be easy but we need all 3 points to start motoring on!
El Jefe
@inspurs...exactly mate...@fanman,understand what you say but when it happens to us as it so often does you wont hear pool fans moan for us.......
rovinella62spurs
Well Bale at LB. some posters got the line up right. Hopefully it works.
jvd
well it looks like qpr have come to play
rovinella62spurs
Has Bale taken over from VDV as our only corner and free kick taker???
Big Ron
Big Ron, that's why he signed a new contract. It was written in that way
In-spurs-ational
i don't care how many he scores, if defoe can't pass instead of shooting in a situation like that he doesn't deserve to play in team game
Guernman
big c brad having a poor game would mean we lose most likely...lol
rovinella62spurs
Walker needs to catch a wake-up!
Durbanspur
This pressure is ridiculous. What are we doing??
Big Ron
qpr have ahd more of the ball in 16 mins than Lazio in 45
logos8
Adebayor not on the bench, and commentators suggesting its not just cos of an injury. Usual hype and speculation?
jacobslad
This formation is not working. Absolutely no teeth in the attack.
jvd
Hate to say it byt they are the better side so far
Big Ron
we dont look like the home side at the moment
rovinella62spurs
27th minute need some more of that. Nice build up good cross
jvd
Another off side goal. Don't our players know the rules
In-spurs-ational
We look so toothless in the final third. No presence. Why were playing 1 upfront at home is beyond me. Get Adebayor on the bloody pitch asap
HuddersfieldYiddo
could see this coming...ffs
rovinella62spurs
Oh dear.it had to be him
In-spurs-ational
no clean sheet again...
logos8
2nd time i have watched us this season and i have to say we are just awful really awful
jljyid
the challenge on the box just before the goal was a pure coward attempt, he should be subbed, ive said it before and ill say it again, we are a soft touch. end of
123spurs
again we are playing like chelsea did last season under avb. no speed, no real creativity, poor defending at times. I hoped we were over this phase
logos8
Maybe this is what we need to wake up a bit
In-spurs-ational
haha big c dempbele had put in more of an effort brad would have to do nothing blaming brad u make me laugh
123spurs
hudds yiddo...ade aint on the bench!
jacobslad
This is a QPR team with no defence. We look absolutely clueless.
mattspurs1982
sigurdson is really por doesnt even look premiership quality to me.
jljyid
we dont look like a unit in the least
rovinella62spurs
i suppose we are still better off without harry. avb is cluess it sems, an easy start 3 easy home games and we are shocking
123spurs
So we've made norwich, WBA and QPR look like world beaters so far. I fear for this year already!
mattspurs1982
At least arsenal are losing too
In-spurs-ational
every loose ball being won by qpr...and us passing the ball to them....second falf has got to be different
rovinella62spurs
cant watch this anymore someone tell me when avb is gone please
jljyid
Absolutely disgraceful!!! This IS NOT a spurs team on the up. No cohesion or clue about how to break up a patched up defence!! We look like a relegation outfit!! Hate to say it but it does look like AVB's se up is not working!!!
woodyn17
i wonder if there is a home jinx on avb,,,,hope not
rovinella62spurs
Everytimr the commentator mentions Dyer I think he is talking about our performance (dire) :0)
TQ2Spurs
Plucking joke! Iv been so upbeat up to now but loosing to the leauge whipping boys! Team selection wrong, I can't believe Defoe is our only striker. We are in trouble.
hudderspur
Ramos de javu
mattspurs1982
remind me how many goals did swansea scored against qpr in their first match?
logos8
This is some of the worst football I have ever seen -- we look like a pub side
Cape Town Spurs
all harry haters must must be having 2nd thouhgts
123spurs
Defoe is my most frustrating Spurs player!
Durbanspur
bale can send 20 crosses all day but we won't get anything from them with defoe.
logos8
F.u.c.k.i.n.g RUN AT THEM BALE....!
g. roberts testes
cape town i agree 100% this is woeful i cant believe how bad we really are
jljyid
cape town spurs I don't even know if I should laugh or cry because indeed we do look like a pub side
logos8
i really think Levy & AVB have turned us from Top 4 challengers to relegation candidates based on the type of football we're dishing up
mattspurs1982
no striker, just levy pocketing the loot, this performance is beyond pathetic - if they don't figure this out then for me they can all go, AVB, Levy, Enic...
Cape Town Spurs
Poor performance, we deserve to be losing. The commentators are loving this.
Fanman
abs agree big c
jacobslad
well thats probably the worst 45mins ive seen from us for years
mattspurs1982
dempsey looks ineffective on the wing, would rather him as the loan striker as defoe looks completely unable to get into the game, huddlestone for defoe
Guernman
lennon on the left, siggy on the right
Guernman
Bale at left-back is a disaster, Dempsey on the left is a disaster.
Fanman
Seemed throughout the first half that Spurs were playing a man short. Poor display. AVB needs to win us over with something intelligent during the interval.
Total knobhead
avb needs to sort this second half if not iwill be calling for his resignation. i was really hoping he could do it for us and for him but its becoming clear he is just a total flop. so sad
jljyid
and people on here called harry a clown
123spurs
Chris in Southampton via text: "Yes, Liverpool are 18th with two points. But, we've played Man Utd, Man City and Arsenal in the first five games. Spurs have arguably had a much easier start and have won one in five. I'd be much more worried if I was a Spurs fan." from bbc live commentary
logos8
I think harry is even more frustrated than we are to see this rubbish
logos8
the worst ive seen us keep posession for a long long time. and we all know the hate harry got was stupid, but thats another story.
thfc1989
Look at the bright side lads - Watford away is only a short trip for us and Nottingham is a cracking night out!!!
woodyn17
There's no spin you can put on that first half. We were absolute rubbish. No tempo, no cohesion, no clue. Time for AVB to earn his money and turn this round.
Harry-Kari
Bring on caulker ,Move vert to LB and push bale up. One of the most poorest first half displays i have ever seen.
spurfect one
he actually have a point. liverpool played well against man city and man utd. would have probably won today if they were 11 on the pitch
logos8
poor team selection again,
123spurs
Siggy is poor, Defoe is poor, Dempsey is poor. We need to go 4-4-2 or 3-5-2. We only started putting effort in when we went 0-1 down.
Fanman
@woodyn17, hilarious (but scary!)
Cape Town Spurs
why did Harry Kane go on loan......we got 1 striker today and 4 goalies.
jacobslad
that was a shocking first half, dempsey and siggy are useless, as for defoe no hope for either.. looks like we dont know whats going on out there..
flakey yid
Defoe set the lead the league in off sides.
Total knobhead
123spurs - I think you are the only one who still remembers that guy. LOL
what_sux
that was terrible,need put someone else at left back and unleash bale...and bale REALLY needs to stop trying to play the "perfect" pass and start terrorising them down the wing.....poor passing,dempsey is out of sorts,lennon also needs to run at them as the can't handle our pace....don't like the boo-ing but its justifiable.
g. roberts testes
Shocking performance. At least Bale now knows what it feels like when your midfielder leaves you 2 on 1 all the time. Agree - we do look a man short.
muttley
Demsey, sig, defoe have been shocking
whitespur
Some how we need to charge the formation, QPR have shut as out in every department, by pushing up and closing us down, Dyer is not a right back and with Nelsen on the right side of defence his not quick enough, the way this game changes is by pushing BALE wide left, not playing left back, DEMPSEY needs to be in closer to Defoe, so we have options getting the ball in the box, remove Siggy, bring on CAULKER and play VERTONGHEN at left back or go with 3 at the back - 5 across midfield and 2 up top.
spu 4 life
Gallas to left-back, Bale to left-wing, Caulker/Dawson on at CB, Siggy off who is doing very little and Dempsey up-front alongside Defoe. Match QPRs 442 and let the players play their natural game. Dempsey is looking a bit clueless as to his role. This is basically the commentators suggestion and is a good one. Will be interesting to see what AVB does at half-time. I'd have thought doing nothing isn't an option.
warner__
123spurs, agreed. Lets see how we come out 2nd half. QPR have given us a lesson in football.
Fanman
wow, what is going on? QPR making absolutely no mistakes and we are missing passes by the boatload
Spurs999
If AVB doesn't change the team he is clueless.
Fanman
people keep saying put two up top but who?! the only player i can think of is bale but i can see that failing. but i spose we need to go for broke. 3-5-2, fried, gallas caulks verts, walker (right) lennon (left) dembele sandro, bale defoe
BrooksySpurs
ABV is taken over a team who finished 4th and thats the bench mark at this rate we will be around 4th from bottom.
123spurs
bring on Caulker, take off siggy and go to 3 at the back with bale and walker wingbacks. Sandro sitting with Dembele and dempsey infront. put Lennon and Defoe upfront to scare the *****e out of them for pace!!! I feel this is a make or break game for AVB. If he loses this then its all tits up this season!!!
woodyn17
We need another striker. Bale at left back is just not an option. Dempsey is clueless in-front of him. We have nothing from the left.
Fanman
horrible to watch at home yet again,deserved to be booed off at half time sick of this crap.
finglasyid
woodyn17, agreed!
Fanman
Don't understand that 1st half at all. QPR look the better side and deserve the lead. Need some changes out there! Bring Caulker on...he looked good against Lazio and get Bale back on the left wing. Need to get at QPR a bit more and more shots on target, they are looking too comfortable on the ball!
mountainyid
123spurs - HE finished 4th??? No HE lost THIRD!!! HE had Modric and VDV! WE have Siggy and Dempsey!! Get over the past man!! Live in the NOW!!! Also if you are in the emergency services then Watford is free!!! I'm quids in!!!
woodyn17
AVB must sit Defoe in any available class room and teach him the offside rule. Can´t AVaB put Vertonghen as LB, Caulker as CH, Bale as LW and Demsey playing a 442 with Defoe. Off would be Siggs.
AlexSpur
Siggy and Dempsey are just not good enough. I can't even pretend to get behind avb and the team. Finishing 5th or 6th is one thing, but we look like we could seriously go down!!!
hudderspur
AVB is a Jenas
RagingSpur
Just imagine next week away to Man U! Phuck me, we'll be slaughtered.
Cape Town Spurs
if we come out the same shape after the break then AVB is imo a moron
Cape Town Spurs
no creativeness in the team at all, we are going to struggle for goals this season
flakey yid
By the way, booing the players does not help anyone....
AlexSpur
Embarrassing is the word!
El Jefe
123spurs, the team that finished fourth included kaboul, our best defender last season, BAE our best lb, modric, one of the best playmakers in the world, parker, an exceptional fighter and recent PL player of the year and adebayor, a quality lone striker. the players have been abysmal today and it is incredibly frustrating but you simply cannot compare harry's tenure to what AVB has to work with today. besides I think the players on the pitch need to take some responsibility for a performance like that,
Guernman
live in hte now is worse then the past
123spurs
i hope AVB can turn this around at half time...make some good changes and prove his managerial tactics....I really would like to see him succeed at Spurs.
mountainyid
i hope AVB can turn this around at half time...make some good changes and prove his managerial tactics....I really would like to see him succeed at Spurs.
mountainyid
i think booing players does work. when ppl say support an get behind ur team is rubbish. theyre not children. theyre men rolling in money an when something isnt good enough. should be told. do ppl think theyre gonna roll over an start crying give over. avb credit where credit is due he ha changed it an to what lots of ppl are wanting. lets hope it works. COYS!!!
BrooksySpurs
AVB chose to have Sig and NOT VdV!
RagingSpur
hopefully the boos will give them something to think about over half time and wake them up a bit. 2-1 to the spurs!! COYS
thfc1989
AVB out
RagingSpur
caulker on
thfc1989
here we go, for me, more of this and AVB must be fired and fired this afternoon
Cape Town Spurs
phew...lets see what happens next.....?immediate positivity.2-1 to us
g. roberts testes
hope they dont blame the europa and say they are knackered
rovinella62spurs
Please go on and tell me I was wrong. AVB is ruining this team a minute at a time. He is the worst coach to stroll through WHL in a very long time.
RagingSpur
he made the exact changes i suggested in an above post, much better now
spurfect one
why did it take 45 minutes to make these changes? ridiculous... should have done it after 20 minutes. AVB has no kahoonas
Cape Town Spurs
well if we draw level before 70mins we win
spu 4 life
Raging- BORING!
SpuriousLife
Best comment was from a chelsea fan something like welcome to the AVB era. Angry dressing room, divided fans and embarressing on field play. I thought after Reading this might not be true but i was so wrong. Its sad to see fans divided and booing but it the writing was on the wall. Anyone see Walker and Lennon frustration?
AVBisgod
spurfect one... are you AVB?
Cape Town Spurs
Lennon just doesnt do it for me
Cape Town Spurs
Terrible 1st half.. Defoe still does not know how to beat the offside trap ffs... we were passing the ball sideways and backwards too often.. QPR should not be able to keep up the pace.. and will tire from 80 mins.. so our better fitness must show.. we are standing off qpr players.. and not passing to our players..come on AVB sort them out..
Block D Spurs
My word Defoe is a waste of space
mattspurs1982
no matter what anyone tells me i wont blame avb entirely...defoe just cant cut it alone up there....crosses all go to waste,too many offsides etc.....
rovinella62spurs
sounds to be a much better start. make it count! keep the faith.
BrooksySpurs
absolute phecking pants... next week i'll play with my gran, nephew, and a couple of mates from the pub. we won't be any better but i doubt we could be any worse, (and we dont claim to be professionals)
Cape Town Spurs
has our fortress walls broken down...only comfort here is arsenal is losing......we do need to have back our players who are out
rovinella62spurs
playing gallas and defoe made me sick......why sigurdsion is being subbed avb should have subed defoe for caulker then dempsey should have been lone forward ........but still i support my pride SPURS and our AVB.....COYS...!!!!
hangloo
Our passes are all going astray. Maybe it's time for the HUD
In-spurs-ational
so we scored... oh no, they did, again... 1:1
Cape Town Spurs
YES!!! come on!
BrooksySpurs
1-1
woodyn17
finally a goal....coyfs
rovinella62spurs
IN truth, QPR have scored twice, and Spurs none,even though it's 1 x 1.
Total knobhead
now that's more like it
Total knobhead
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSS!!!! keep going!!!!
BrooksySpurs
YESSSSSSSS
Big Ron
allah be praised.....2 -1 spurs.....coymfs
rovinella62spurs
i am still not convinced... please tell me defoe doesn't have a t-shirt on that says 200
Cape Town Spurs
Defoeeeeeeeeee
In-spurs-ational
2-1 ;)
RagingSpur
AVB out
In-spurs-ational
GEEET INNNNNNNNNNN!!!! why is everyone so quick to hate everyone connected with spurs!?!?! DEFOOL anyone? 199 club goals.. what a ***** striker...
thfc1989
we don't have a target man but we've got Faurlin.
dazzwater
vertonghen for president!!
Guernman
DO NOT SIT BACK. TRY TO ATTACK
Big Ron
what a player verts is...
rovinella62spurs
do not stop! keep going. we cant rely on a one goal lead. we know this. keep 4-4-2.
BrooksySpurs
we will need another goal i think, they are still on top.
Guernman
ref not too bad but a little off with our calls isnt he
rovinella62spurs
are the commentators rooting for qpr? wtf?
logos8
big you have to respect the fact that the first goal was a lucky gift. they were still the better side and they still are.
logos8
this is tense. lol raging lets hope that winky turns into a beaming smile :) i know we still arent playing great but you have to give credit to avb. hes realised exsactly what was wrong an we are now 2-1 up
BrooksySpurs
Actual score is really 2-2 as we will no doubt let one in in the final five minutes
In-spurs-ational
I have to say though that QPR have done some cracking business this summer, bringing in julio cesar, hoillett and park is really fantastic work for them. this will be e tense half hour
Guernman
Vertonghen: simply our best signing this summer.
AlexSpur
big c great minds eh?? ;)
BrooksySpurs
logo thats true but what more is avb to do?? we have no other striker an he changed it to what it should be.
BrooksySpurs
avb please sub gallas for defoe.....
hangloo
I thought that was in by Bale
In-spurs-ational
sorry mate i mean gallas for dawson.....too excited being in lead...
hangloo
regarding changes and lineups he is spot on. better than harry. but there is something about our style of play that worries me. we resemble last season's chelsea under him...
logos8
so far, imo, Gallas MOTM. excellent showing
Cape Town Spurs
We have now taken the lead in all our league games bar Newcastle
In-spurs-ational
exactly how many world class players did we buy from ajax this summer?
Guernman
is it me or is bale starting to be a little greedy when near the goal? could have passed to defoe rather than take a shot from that angle. but I could be wrong
logos8
It's got to be said - Defoe is not the target man for this Spurs team - we have to adjust too much to accommodate him.
Durbanspur
i would marry vertonghen right now
Guernman
wow, Vertonghen has it all. immense
thfc1989
I have seen the new king, and his name is Vertonghen
In-spurs-ational
I´ll write again: Vertonghen is our best signing this summer...
AlexSpur
How many passes have we missed today???
Big Ron
verts mom for me
rovinella62spurs
with that, I'm with you 100%, but Gallas a close 2nd
Cape Town Spurs
who would you take off big c??
BrooksySpurs
should we really be struggling against QPR or am I expecting too much?
Cape Town Spurs
Chelsea couldn't beat them
In-spurs-ational
lets not have a repeat of another late goal....pleeeease
jacobslad
The answer Big C is Sunsilk2000... it's part hairspray, part Grecian
Cape Town Spurs
cape town qpr have bought good players and spent good money...did you watch them v chelsea...they were thebetter side by a mile second half
rovinella62spurs
Arsenal have scored
In-spurs-ational
like i said cape town, QPR had a great summer, they are the team of last season, their keeper is now world class and has made some good saves today, park is an unsung hero as always and hoilett has looked very dangerous. zamora is also a good player. no easy games on this league :)
Guernman
I hear you in spurs, but are Chavski really that convincing? They might top the table but you feel somethings gonna give
Cape Town Spurs
not the team, sorry
Guernman
yeah cape 1 -1 over there....
rovinella62spurs
because we get frustrated and feel we need to let it out. when things are good we're punching the air and shouting :p
logos8
just kidding :)
logos8
it's time to show we can hang on to a 1 goal lead in the last 5 minutes. COYS
logos8
deja vu. defensive substitution for the last 5 minutes.
logos8
FFS we now have bale, dempsey and defoe who only shoot at every opportunity when others are better positioned
Guernman
If you really want bad news. In the cricket we have gone from 38-2 to 60-9
In-spurs-ational
i agree QPR are a strong tram, deceptively so, though that doesn't change my question as to whether or not we should be struggling against them. Do I rate my Spurs too high?
Cape Town Spurs
guernman I was thinking about the same thing. our boys in the front line look a little bit selfish. they don't play like a team.
logos8
it would be nice if these late defensive subs finally paid off for AVB :0
Guernman
where did 4 mins come from
rovinella62spurs
*team*
Cape Town Spurs
Where did that four minutes of injury time come from
In-spurs-ational
i can't decide between sandro and vert for mom
logos8
pheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew! alright raging :)
BrooksySpurs
yessssss
rovinella62spurs
thank pheck or that
Cape Town Spurs
We win. AVB out out out
In-spurs-ational
do that next week and we;ll be crucified
Cape Town Spurs
I'll take the 3 points, but not a great performance. AVB saved himself at the interval, but one wonders how he got it so wrong at the beginning. Vertonghen MotM for me.
Total knobhead
Vertonghen was absolutely awesome today!! MOTM for me. He simply saved the game for us.
spuradic
really happy with the win. feel it was a bit of a fluke though. Hope AVB turns out to be what chelsea thought was worth paying some 17 million? especially as im sure we got him on the cheap. But yeah just not seeing it yet. instead see lucky escapes against relegation bound teams...Manu will be a good test next week.
AVBisgod
very poor today we dont hold the ball well and look very panicky. avb needs to pull his finger out. 4 points but im still worried
jljyid
Job done. Not pretty but 3 points all the same. Lloris will be our main keeper soon enough but really Friedel deserves our support and respect...imo. Good night all, from Melbourne.
Madaboutspurs
we done for lady luck more like it
123spurs
Got the points, that's the important thing. Nice subs from AVB yet again. Let's hope we can start getting some of the injured players back so we have a full squad to pick from.
muttley
Takes a bloody good coach to make the right changes at half time and BOY DO WE HAVE ONE, well done to the staff and players for an excellent second half, that was a top game QPR are no mugs. SEE I TOLD YOU ;- well if we draw level before 70mins we win spu 4 life Read more: http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7513507#ixzz25i5nJvdL 3pts in the bag and job done.
spu 4 life
That was a close one. QPR very unlucky not to get anything from the game. The experiement to play Bale at left-back failed. Bale exploded in the 2nd half.
Fanman
AVB recognised it wasn't working and mad the changes that won us the game!! Thats good enough for me. The thing is - MAnure win ugly and it is a ground out result, the type you need to win to be champions. We grind out a result and we are poor and lucky to win!!! FFS guys - WE WON!! Be fecking happy or feck off to the goons!!!
woodyn17
has anyone noticed we are on a 4 match unbeaten run?! G'night madabout mate.
jacobslad
3 points not 4 lol
jljyid
Absolute Cr*p except for Vertonghen...make him captain now. Play like that next week and Utd will have a cricket score....and they were rubbish today. Until Vert made that break no-one took control or resposibility. No pace, no closing down, QPR always had an out-ball and DeFoe was shocking as was Walker. Terrible performance but hopefully the last. Sort it out AVB 'cos it's not looking good.
Harry-Kari
Don't worry Raging, Harry will have a job by christmas, taking charge at ANFIELD
spu 4 life
remember the good old game-o-two-halves from the Redknapp days? seems we're seeing the same thing here, only that the 2nd half is the good one.

AVB was tactically outplayed in the 1st half, no question about that. he did well to change things around, but we won because we had luck on our side; the own goal was a game-changer as it forced QPR to open up, enabling us to counter over and over again.

we've got to get better. AVB has got to get it right from the start, not in the 46th or 60th min. he apparently put Bale in left-back without giving him much instructions on who to link up with, resulting in so many misplaced passes. this should be resolved over time though.
dazzwater
really spu4life REALLY ???????????????????
jljyid
ppl say he got it so wrong at the beginning but be honest to yourselves. what would you have done differently?? with the players available i would have played that team poss aside from gallas, (caulks) an fried (lloris) who actually both to my reckoning had very good games. didnt watch the game so if im wrong im sure youll be happy to enlighten me :P the sign of a good manager is when it isnt working, you change it to something that does. we werent great second half apparently but his changes got us the win. there was no more he could do. well done AVB :)
BrooksySpurs
Happy with the win but nowhere near the performance against Lazio. Walker and Gallas on the right is bad news. One too slow the other poor positionally. Loose balls galore from both. Defoe up front alone is useless unless we are going to build slowly as a team. Since we use wing play, it just doesn't work. Again Dempsey was the one on the end of crosses. He should be the striker. Caulker is solid and is such a presence at both ends in the box. He Vertonghen, Sandro and Dembele in the middle are so tough and take up so much space. They also all seem to love pushing the ball forward in to space. Dempsey is really not a winger. We should have gone with Townsend in front of Bale. Then again it would have just been lots of crosses with no one to meet them. Either we go 4-4-2 or Defoe has to start from the bench. Thankful for the three points. QPR could rightly feel they deserved better. Hill was the MOTM. Quite a performance. COYS
peterballb
Didn't click today, but very greatful for the win. We played really well last 2 games, not so well today - thats football when your moulding a new team. Anyway, the result gives us all breathing space and gets the AVB-hating media & some idiot supporters off our backs in the short-term which is good. All change for Carlisle and then we need an amazing win at Old Trafford to christen the new era!! We need players back - Ade, Parker, Naughton, Kaboul (as well as the departing King, Modric, VDV etc). Its going to take time & we need patience but i'm pleased with the win.
StillRickyVilla
Very pleased that AVB made the correct changes. He earned his money today. Its not nice to see Dawson frozen out, but that's football I guess. Gallas' passing today was awful. Siggurdson looks to be a failure aswell, but he needs more time. Surely Dawson is a better shout than Gallas, what does AVB see in him? Maybe I'm missing something?
Fanman
I dont thing the first half was the players, our players are great, even in the first half they ran their hearts out. But in the first half they were clearly following some instruction to be cautious , pass backwards and sideways and not make any run up the field just stay in their immediate area. very similar to old Chelsea AVB days. Like with Norwich they looked frustrated and confused. When they were let loose and allowed to play their natural game in the second half the results were amazing. The players looked alive again. This is why i am sceptical of AVB and his 'tactics'
AVBisgod
Dempsey was terrible on the left, better in the center. Bale was wasted at LB. Caulker was good when he came in a CB. Verts was good at both position he played. Sandro solid all match. Walker is a disappointment so far this season. Defoe seems bent of challenging for the record for most off sides. Siggs? He hasn't found himself yet at N17. Not the best match by Dembele, although he had his moments of decent effort. The first half was enough to make a grown man cry. QPR deserved a point, so one must feel for them.
Total knobhead
for whatever reason we were outplayed in the first. i wouldn't say it was just down to formation. changes were made and we were better but we were a little lucky. we got the win, far from our best and only drew playing against a much better playing much better team three days ago, playing much better ourselves.. that's football. the three points is what counts and we take confidence and play better next match.
asherthesmasher
I'm tickled by AVBisgod writing that he's skeptical about AVB. lol. Good one, mate. Wonderful juxtaposition of name and sentiment expressed.
Total knobhead
Bale : Three seasons back injury to BAE gave us a star in Bale.
Vertonghen : Three seasons after injury to BAE gives us a new star Jan Vertonghen. My God, what a player he is.

He saved Gallas shame by putting a match winning tackle inside the box on Hoillet. Then when the push came to shove, he played a blinder to set up our goal. He along with Bale looked FECKING THREATENING in the Left side.
Lennon : Most consistent performer this season. Even when team is playing poorly, he has always done what he can do the best. AVB : I guess he better start getting his line up ready. Atleast good thing is he is prepared to change it at HT.
Dempsey & Dembele: One of the poorest games for the duo but redeemed themselves in second half.
Sandro : The charging Bull. Enough said.
Friedel :
The truth is he has got to thank Barthez, Lloris & AVB because all 3 have helped the old man of PL to find his viagra.
Overall, we were the second best team for the day. Same performance against United next week would be punished. Going to Old Trafford is a big proposition for us.If we start as we have started today, United will kill us. Atleast something to work for AVB & his players.
sydqcb5
Freidel seems more of a Cialis man than a Viagra man.
Total knobhead
thfc1882whl, I agree. Levy has made AVB's job harder. I think when Parker comes back from injury we will play Sandro and Parker together, with Dembele pushed further up the field. I don't like two defensive midfielders, but AVB seems to.
Fanman
123Spurs and Jityid and all you negs. You have just witnessed a Coach who although getting the lineup wrong to begin with had the sense and balls to change things at halftime. That's to me the difference between AVB and HR. So although we won the game in not the best style we did better than Chelsea against them, yes?!
jvd
one thing i do think we need is reinforcments in jan. demba ba, isco or moutinho please, preferably isco we miss someone like vdv an isco is similar mould from what ive heard. dembele is a good link between attack an defence so is a very good modric replacement for me. isco can be the link between the midfield an attack. siggy i like an will give him a chance but isnt quite cutting it at the mo. if this continues till jan then i feel a player of isco's ilk is needed.
BrooksySpurs
Total knobhead, I agree with you assessment, Dembele looked bright at times but I expect more of him. Maybe I'm comparing him to Modric?
Fanman
Sorry for the mess up in the comment, writing it half sleep. Cant sleep (3:20AM here) 'in a good way'. Thank God end of last seaon had those nightmare sunday night game where we couldnt finish the games.
sydqcb5
so we do have a plan b...or is it a plan a.v.B...wasn't working in the first half,(which was all the dyer's rolled into one;nathan,kyron and DANNY),absolutely dire,so changed it around a bit and it paid off.very lucky for the first goal and not a terribly great second but they all count. no doubt certain"fans" will come on here and pour scorn and negativity on today's performance,but do man u fans complain when they 'win ugly'? IMO,even though it wasn't an impressive win it was still a win and we rarely 'won ugly' under harry.so even the negative turns into a positive. vertongen was outstanding...the king is dead,all hail the king....there seems to be some ego B.S going on between bale and defoe as they don't seem to want to pass to each other even though it's the better option sometimes and dempsey seems just a bit too eager to score at the moment great teams win this way sometimes and accept it, so why can't we?........our first home win of the season,enjoy it!!!!
g. roberts testes
RagingSpur don't take this the wrong way but I think you're the Jenas!
jvd
Oh and Vertonghen is just pure class.
Fanman
We ground out a result.. that is 3 more points. Looked like players were suffering a bit of complacency after the Lazio game.. QPR a good team.. Lets hope this is the wake up call for the squad, and AVB has to get them to concentrate from 1st minute to last.. But the 2nd goals brilliant counter attack.. that is what we need more of.. there were 3 other good chances wasted by defofe and Bale..
Block D Spurs
isco and llorente/damiao for me in january
Guernman
From a left back position he save the 3 points in the heart of defence!
Fanman
Just taking a step back and look at clubs around & above us in table - our performance has been quite average so far. While on the contrary, Arsenal, pains me to say that are playing incredibly well. 5 Games played soe against some top teams - conceded just 2 goals all season !. I know its just been 5 games, but got to say if we have what it takes to be in top4 this season. Honestly Everton, Arsenal, Chelsea, Man United &City all are better than us. And we are hit by injury. We have got to raise our BIG time if we want to be there in top4 end of season. It hasto begin against United in Old Trafford. COYS.
sydqcb5
JVD chelski played them away so your point there is invalid, the performance was terrible if you think otherwise then what was you you watching? and i am being negative because we can and should be playing so much better. i have said so many times im bored now but here we go again i really like avb and i REALLY want him to do well but he needs to pick it up BIG TIME
jljyid
now imagine vert with lloris... i dont mean to dis friedel but he is 2nd rate next to Hugo. Friedel, get youir ego out the way and give it up
Cape Town Spurs
Bale at left-back was always doomed, but I can understand why AVB tried it out... Dempsey cannot operate on the flanks, but he looks decent through the middle. Hopefully, he never tries Bale at left-back again. Or Dempsey on the left-flank. Townsend is there for a reason. Hopefuly Naughton will be fit for the United game or it will be Verts at left-back again. Come to think of it he's probably our best Left-back too!
Fanman
The half time changes were good, but I don't think they changed the dynamic of the game much. QPR still came out the better side, but we got the lucky goal and quickly scored a second while they were feeling sorry for themselves. After that, they committed more men forward which allowed us the extra space to simply counter with the pace we have in the wide areas. I still think its a worry that teams like Norwich and QPR can come to WHL and dictate play the way they have. If Lazio were a little braver, maybe they'd have had more success? The new blueprint to play against us seems to be, put a bit of pressure on our midfield and we will crumble. Premiership teams use to come to WHL and defend, all of a sudden they are showing us a new found lack of respect! I think we need to do something about that..
Guyver
Its gonna take time and patience people. We have lost the complete spine from Harry's Top 4 team:- King, Parker, Modric, VDV and Ade. And on top of that we have BAE, Kaboul out injured. Its a huge turnover in players. And we haven't replaced those players like for like. We just can't expect instant performances and consistent results. What we can expect is a club from chairman, manager, players and fans, training academy and new stadium that is finally aligned to sustained future success. Stick with it. I'm positive about where we are going. My only fear is the media and some idiot 'fans' scupper what we are doing.
StillRickyVilla
i don't think the problem was inherently playing bale LB, but rather dempsey on the wing and defoe as a target man, if we played townsend or lennon ahead of bale with ade up front it could work. of course i want to see bale on the wing but if both BAE and Naughton are out then I think bale is a perfectly valid option. thats not where it broke down today but the solution today was to bring bale up and into the game second half.
Guernman
@bigc and we beat QPR easily last time we played them at home. so no, we are still not playing better than we did under Redknapp, in the 1st half of the past few seasons anyway. though there's room for improvement.
dazzwater
we have 3 points and that makes me very happy. A slog today but changes made the difference. wasted chances, as it could have been 4-1. Verts superb. I am almost happy that Bale was put in defence in the 1st half as when he was pushed up field in the 2nd half he played his best game for a while. Lennon is starting to get my vote.
mountainyid
We need to start integrating Adebayor as soon as possible, he adds a lot to our all round play. Not having both him and VDV has taken away too much from our game in the attacking 3rd imo.
Guyver
Reality check for those in panic: Spurs only 1 point behind Man City and Arsenal.
Total knobhead
Big C, yep i heard that last week. Its the last piece of the jigsaw, as long AVB, Levy and the new man all get along!!
StillRickyVilla
thfc1882 i agree defoe wont be dropped but as soon as ade is fit he should be in the starting 11 he gives us way more than defoe. we keep the ball alot better when its not constantly coming back at us because defoe cant hold it up as well as ade can
jljyid
just hope all you doubters, moaners and knockers and YES YOU KNOWS WHO YOU ARE, are unhappy. I am NOT
cheshireyid
Didn't see the game, but glad of the 3 points. Happy that Caulker got some game time, he should start instead of Gallas. Unhappy that Lloris did not play. Defoe is in good form so he will start as the lone striker. COYS!
Jables
Guernman, You're right, Bale wasn't bad at left back; rather Dempsey was poor at left-wing. But Bale offers us so much at Left-wing I think we'd be better playing Verts at left-back and Caulker and Gallas or Dawson at centre-back againts United. How do you think we should line-up against United.
Fanman
only Modric played in the Team that ACTUALLY got into the champions league. Swansea lost their best players and are doing fine, so did Fulham and the arse lost many players. None of those teams are playing as bad as we did against Norwich or in the first half of QPR. And just because i doubt AVB's experience, tactics and player management skills doesn't mean i want Harry back either. I just wantwhat i think most fans want. Stability and a competent manager who will be with us for a long time like fergie, moyes and wenger has. If AVB turns out to be the right man i will be ecstatic but i see the same (rap the happened in chelsea last year and cringe. The worst part is the fans fighting on forums and being so divided. oh and thanks total knobhead for seeing the humour in the name.
AVBisgod
Glad we won and our managers showed his tactical changes worked. Some on here at one nil down calling for Harry back, avb to be sacked etc etc. Some of you are ridiculous and need to be more realistic. Good stepping stone, good pattern of play and vertonghen looked quality yet again - he has won 100 percent of his premiership tackles in four games, looks good on ball. Coys - fleck the haters.
Windlespur
Disgraceful 1st half, decent 2nd half. Verts, Bale and Sandro immense in that 2nd half. Lennon did well generally all game. Demps came into it 2nd half aswell and was much busier, hustling, getting on the end of things, etc. Been saying it for weeks and 4-4-2 seems to be the way to go especially at home, its when we are at our most dangerous. Until we have a passer a la Moutinho need to forget most other formations as clearly do not work!
El Jefe
windle, ...harry back?..dont remember seeing such....u sure?
rovinella62spurs
Funny that so many posters higher up this thread called for bale at Left Back before the game started. It didnt work out and suddenly the doom mongers rolled out at halftime. It almost seems as if these "fans" would rather we lose just to prove that AVB is not the right man. Extra happy that we won, at least "they" can crawl back into their hole and next time remember that a football match lasts 90mins.
whitespur
We should also consider what AVB can do with a full squad. He is currently without Ekotto, Kaboul, Parker, Livermore and Adebayor and we know that the squad will evolve again in January. In my opinion, AVB tried to force his best, fit players into a system today and got it wrong 1st half. His awareness of the situation and his subsequent tactical changes won us the game though. When did that ever happen with Harry? There is so much to be positive about at the moment.
muttley
Just back from the game, phew! a very nervous win but a win nevertheless. Dire, lethargic first half, QPR well worth their lead. I sit very close to the pitch, and it was obvious to me that Bale had no interest in playing at left back as it was obvious that playing Dempsey on the wing was a bad call.

I can see the logic of playing Bale at left back but he has to try harder along with the introduction of someone like Townsend to link up with. To AVB's credit he changed it at half time, Dempsey looking a lot more useful in the central role and the change of tactics paid off.

You are entitled to call the first goal a lucky goal but you make your own luck, had we not being applying pressure in their area there would have being no lucky goal, we than upped the tempo and could have scored more.

Now, AVB got his tactics and selections wrong in the first half but to his credit he changed it half time, can't remember Harry doing that too many times. So still very much work in progress but with the likes of Lloris, Vert, Dembele, Lennon, Bale, Caulker, Kaboul, Ade, BAE and Defoe I am hopeful. And Daniel, get a ******** striker in January. COYS
ItalianYiddo
I think AVB and those who initially thought Bale at LB was a good idea, didnt expect him to have to defend much. I think people expected a game similar to the Lazio game, where the Fullbacks were almost permanently positioned in the opposition half. Instead QPR came at us like Norwich did and we couldnt handle it. Bale was forced to play as a defensive LB most of the 1st half. Very understandable error from AVB.
Guyver
El Jefe, I agree. We should be playing 4-4-2 at home. Teams just can't live with us on the counter. At I think the stats will show that second half we created alot more chances.
Fanman
Basically if we wanted Bale to play like Real Madrid's Marcelo did against Man City from LB, then we had to control the game 1st, which didnt happen.
Guyver
RagingSpur, nothing to say now that we have won? Your negativity is not appreciated. This is a team ravaged by injuries, and there is so much opportunity for our youngsters, and for the new guys to blend in. Now avb knows Dempsey is not a left winger, that Vetongs is a great utility player, Caulker is gaining great experience as a Spurs player....I would rather start slow and win, that hit a Harry Patch in Feb!!!!! Keep Faith...COYS...next week, a draw would be a great result.
DareSpur
big cockeral, what are you talking about, Bale was superb in the sencond half, he would of scored but for a smart stop from Caesar. Come on now take off the negatve spectacles.
Fanman
"remember that a football match lasts 90mins." whitespur. Except if you are at old Trafford and man u aren't winning
In-spurs-ational
When we have a full strength squad and Lloris in goal we will be ok.
Chelmspur
I repeat, just a point off of Arsenal and City. Not in such bad shape as some here seem to think we are. I draw an ManU, three points at home off Chelsea and away we go! Come of you Spurs Supporters, COYSS. Support!
Total knobhead
If we draw at ManU, take three points at home off Chelsea, etc.,... COYSS. Support!
Total knobhead
well. having been unlucky at n'castle (and lazio) and playing some **** football in between, we find ourselves 1 point behind city? suddenly things aren't looking so bad, certainly many many positives to take from this game and lazio. particularly the quality of verts and caulker coming through, and some great tinkering from avb. was calling for bale @ LB yesterday and clearly it was a wrong move so fair play to the manager for sorting it out. sadly it's the second game in a row where defoe looked lost on his own up front (scoring when he had a second man along side him). and we were due a bit of luck too...
BS Baffles Brains
any sign of raging
redknappslayer
whilst im still no fan of lennon this is the most conistant iv ever seen , keep it up
redknappslayer
I missed the game but heard Friedel made some good saves? Still want to see Lloris play but I'm glad that Brad has raised his game against some unfair critism.
MrSpurs
That 1 point behind Man City will open up rapidly if we repeat today's performance against Stoke, Everton, Man City, Liverpool, Man Utd Arsenal, Chelsea and some of the other tough fixtures we've yet to play.
Guyver
I have to say Sandro has been brilliant since having Dembele next to him and being allowed to get on with the defensive aspects of CM by himself. So much so that I think Parker will have to settle for a place on the bench when he returns even though I thought he should be captain. That or AVB will have to play both Parker and Sandro with Dembele in a 3 man centre mid. Will be interesting to see what he does when he has Parker back fit and ready.
El Jefe
That 1 point behind Man City and Arsenal will open up rapidly if we repeat today's FIRST HALF performance... .
Total knobhead
I wonder if the mood would have been different had we won our opening two gmes then lost the next and now two draws on the trot??? its all about momentum and yes we didnt play well but we got the three points and are unbeaten in four.yes we have tougher test coming up but as others have said the better teams will look to play rather than parking the bus.
rustyruss67
Siggy v Demps for the role off main striker, has to be Demps. In all the games he's played this season all Siggy has done is the pass last week against Reading and the shot saved on the line. Very poor and looking a bad signing for the moment. Demps on the other hand did have a bad start today but 2nd half showed what he is all about and if allowed to play in the centre off Ade/Defoe should get all important goal's.
El Jefe
Terry retires from international football must know wot the fa are ging to say!!!
rustyruss67
We need to be able to control games. Perhaps we are missing Modric's ability to hold the ball and keep possession I dont what it is but it seems like its a lottery as to whether we get a result or not, our general play is not convincing.
MrSpurs
2nd half (especially last 20mins) we simply counter attacked a QPR side who were leaving themselves exposed as they pushed for the equaliser. They had to take risks and leave huge gaps, & we exploited them well. Against the bigger teams, expect it to be different and our already blunt strike force will have even fewer chances as they come up against better defenders than bassong (Norwich) and Nelson.. Thankfully Faulin gave us an early xmas present today.
Guyver
A lot of practice of the basics of ball control and passing to a member of your own team would be helpful. Also not passing back to Friedel for a big punt up the field to the opposition. It was soo frustrating watching back passes which just lost possession.
Big Ron
Phew...we were soooo lucky but at least we didn't give a goal away in the last ten mins.Vertonghen was fantastic. Playing Dempsey on the left was a joke, we are desperate for a target man, (STILL!)Lennon made some good runs but wasted with his awful delivery,(when is he going to learn how to kick a ball and take a shot at goal instead of passing sideways!). We so much miss Modric and VDV because they could hold the ball and slow the game down.Some of our passing was awful.Caulker looks good and deserves to keep his place.We shall get massacred by Man You.
wentworth
All the hoofing needs to stop too, even when we get Ade back fit in the team and hopefully Demps alongside him. I'm not saying its not an option we should not exploit but constantly doing it would be ridiculous and goes completely against our ethos and style of play. We need to build play from the back and Verts looks quality at doing this. Hopefully young Caulker can learn from Gallas and Verts and become a top class CB, certainly has the physical attributes for it.
El Jefe
"The first half was enough to make a grown man cry." lmao brilliant remark from total k but a happy day in the end with the 3 points even though it was pure luck to get us level.
logos8
raging is very conspicuous by his absence...mmmm?there are a few others,(ohvamaria,frank to name but 2).....there is nothing to much to whinge about,so these "fans" won't be hear til we lose...or..til avb makes a "mistake."...or til there is some rant against our team......totally off topic but is harry redknapp terrible on MOTD or is he REALLY terrible on MOTD???..."the boy done good"..."they're a really good side"..."triffic pass"....too many 'arry cliches,and he can't keep up with the replays.i feel sorry for him and i cringe a bit when he starts talking....i like harry for what he did here,so to see him like this is a bit embarrassing..... jmo,sorry.
g. roberts testes
If our injury situation hasn't improved by next week, I think that we should line-up against United the same way we went in the second half today. Friedel or Lloris; Walker, Caulker, Gallas, Super Verts; Lennon, Sandro, Dembele, Bale; Dempsey, Defoe. United didn't look unbeatable today, I think that we can get something out of that game. We don't have the squad to play 4-2-3-1 at the moment. On another note. I hope that Siggy improves or he'll be used an impact sub.
Fanman
Big C everyone knows your racist and i'm suprised that your not banned from VS after that comment last week, but i'm beginning to think your ageist as well. Simply cannot understand the criticism of Friedel. He's been far and away our best performing player this season. "I hope we win but Freidel *****s up" even from you that's bad!
HuddersfieldYiddo
What a classy player Verts is by the way. If only we had Modric and VDV this season, we would have some team. I do think we will look back to our old self once Ade gets gametime. Ade and Defoe imo have the potential to tear up the premiership as a pairing and especially at home its what i want to see. COYS and everybody give AVB time ffs. We are in transition and these things take time
HuddersfieldYiddo
Lazio lost at home tonight, maybe a touch of EUFA cup blues?
ItalianYiddo
Guyver it is also quite possible that we could win several of the games against all the teams you mention. Not because you struggle against a lesser team does it mean that better teams will automatically beat us. Have faith in what Spurs are trying to do and give your support. Patience is key at this early stage.
jvd
things have obviously changed massively at spurs over the summer. and for good reason; we want to improve. we want to take a 10-point lead over arsenal and run with it to the end of the season. EVENTUALLY! i think the position we're in now is looking relatively rosy. the performances have improved massively since preseason, the team and management are obviously still gelling but you can still see the quality in the side. lennon and walker finding some good form, defoe (yes he's not ideal) on form, verts looking amazing, a world-beating keeper in the wings, a manager that knows how to use his subs! so maybe it will take a while, maybe avb needs to get in some more players of his choosing. but surely, surely things could be looking A LOT worse
BS Baffles Brains
Yep, we're looking good lads. AVB should be proud. I am. Feck the other results, it's about us, it's about truss
tengboon
I believe AVB thought he could get away with Bale at LB. The issue wasn't Bale, but rather Dempsey. I'd have played Townsend even though, defensively, he offers less than Dempsey coming back. The real problem is that our right side is a mess with Walker and Gallas and all of the crosses that are supplied go for nowt with Defoe up top. Caulker and Vertonghen in the middle for me with Kaboul as number three. Naughton will hopefully be back for the next game. Vertonghen was really good out there. Not all bad, but Friedel needs to be backup, Defoe a sub and others need to be in their best positions. COYS
peterballb
jvd, the team always has my support, but I prefer to go with whats probable than what is possible. I just don't think against the bigger premiership teams we'll be able to carve out and finish more chances than we have done so far. I also don't see us suddenly being able to keep a clean sheet, so im sorry to say I expect quite a few points to be dropped during Oct and Nov when we play so many tough games. As we go into December and the table starts to even out, I just hope we are around 8th at worst and in striking distance to get things right for the 2nd half of the season.
Guyver
TotalKnobhead, difference is City & Arsenal have already played some top half teams and we have not played any of them. Lets see how we play against United & Chelsea over the next games. If we play like we did in 1st half today, we wont even enforce a draw aganist them. AVB cannot afford to get his first XI wrong against them. The second half XI is the best XI he can putforth for United game.I would not get carried away looking at the points table.
sydqcb5
Som stats - best pass completion for Spurs - 92% Vertonghen. In first half, Defoe had more offsides than he successful passes. Second half, Dempsey won every header came his way.
sydqcb5
Friedel had an awesome game
MrSpurs
Yes MrSpurs, he did. He has raised his game a notch and that says a lot for a 40 something GK. I implore all SPURS supporters to get behind Brad Friedel because the reality is Hugo Lloris will get his chance, he will be our long term GK and everybody knows it.
Madaboutspurs
it was common sense that it wasnt working and to praise AVB is a joke thats hes job "standard" an obvious a fool could spot that out. and he acted on this and he got praise on here. after going 2-1 up we still looked terrible and didnt look comfortable at all.
123spurs
@ jvd we got lucky an own goal an a lucky 2nd, we gave a poor team in QPR loads of time i never felt comfortable until the final whistle went , the big test for AvB is manutd
123spurs
123spurs, have you not seen any positives from this game? or as the season has progressed? also QPR were definitely not a poor team today. they played some great stuff. you can never expect an easy game in the prem. just 'easier' games
BS Baffles Brains
our 1st big game under AVB next week. good to go in on the back of a win. COYS
dazzwater
Yes, Friedel made most of the saves any keeper should have. I am sure you all noticed how tall he stayed on the goal. Keeping 101. Don't go to ground early. Where was Friedel? On the floor. Sorry. Yet another goal that should have been stopped. Hart made 4 saves much more difficult than that the other day against RM. That's the difference between winning and losing. It's why we pulled draws out of wins. To say a keeper is raising his game when he makes saves he should make is a sad statement. He still is awful playing the ball with his feet. Other than a ball deflected up in to the air did not come out for crosses. If good keeping means stopping all shots every other keeper should at this level, he's fabulous. If it means being a cut above or making saves most others wouldn't. Well it's not him. He is a large part we look so poor on corners. There was none of that panic against Lazio. With Friedel, it's every game. Granted, that's what the complaint was against Gomes. Nervous defence and the odd howler. But then saves most other keepers only dream of and saving 1 out of 3 penalties. Friedel has not saved one in 18. He's past it. Nice bloke. But reactions are done. He's solid positionally. Will not throw the ball in his own net. Other than Swansea last season, has not allowed a goal any other keeper should have saved. What many on here call consistent, I call average. We need better. Better was on the bench. Then again, it was all of last season too. COYS
peterballb
If Friedel is our keeper, Defoe is our lone striker and Gallas and Walker are our right side of defence, we are in big, big, big kaboobers. COYS
peterballb
123spurs, your assessment is perhaps fair, though I still believe AVB hoped he could get away with Bale at LB in this match. As I said, I'd have played Townsend on the wing and not Dempsey who I'd have had in place of Defoe, because the one thing Defoe has shown in 6 matches this season is that he will not be getting on the end of any crosses. Lennon, before today, had created the most chances in the PL, but for Carzola. Bale has also created loads. There is just no one in the vacinity to capitalize. Much like Liverpool today. Lots of first half chances. Just no end product and they paid. As did QPR today, who surely deserved better. That said, the performance against Lazio was one of the best I have seen of a Spurs team in a long time. So, I have hope that we'll get it all right. We have the players in the squad. It's just going to take time. Once BAE, Naughton, Adebayor, Kaboul and Parker get back, there will be lots of competition. That's a good thing. Lloris, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele might be as solid a centre as there is in the PL. COYS
peterballb
syd, Bale at LB was somewhat forced upon him. That said, I believe he now knows that Caulker can handle it and will have no reluctance selecting him and Gallas next game with Vertonghen on the left if Caulker is not available. The mistake, IMO, was not Bale at LB, it was Dempsey at LW. COYS
peterballb
Huddersfield, while I am certainly not going to slag either of VDv or Modric, but really what more would they have offered in this game? Would they have made Defoe, get on the ends of crosses? Would Vdv on the left have done better than Dempsey? Again, not slagging those we don't have but I believe our free kick and corner results are better and Dembele, while not Modric in any way shape or form, pushes the ball forward in a way we have not seen for quite some time. We did get the three points, ugly as it was. The game against Lazio was marred by two horrendous officiating calls, much like we got ripped off against WBA, where one of the offsides wasn't. The Norwich officiating was even worse still So, we have not had the rub of the green and have managed 8 points from 5. Not great. Should have been 12 from 5 but it could be much worse. United looked terrible against Liverpool and, but for bad finishing and poor officiating, should have lost. They do not look like world beaters. Chelsea's defence is still suspect, as is Arsenal's. There is a lot of season to go. If we play like we did against Lazio and continue to limit chances against, we'll be there in the end for the top 4 race. COYS
peterballb
Peter poor officiating has nothing to do with some of our lackluster performances so far. That would be down to our midfield going AWOL when put under pressure. United may have looked terrible against an emotional Liverpool at Anfield, but we've looked terrible against Norwich, QPR and at times against West Brom, all at WHL. Chelsea and Arsenal's defence may be suspect in your eyes, but both have already kept multiple clean sheets home and away and have arguably played tougher opposition. They also happen to have the best defensive records in the league so far, letting in only 2 goals each in 5 games. If their defence is suspect what does that make ours..
Guyver
we need another striker in Jan, to increase our options up front when Ade and Defoe are down and out. we need Demba Ba. COYS
dazzwater
Agreed dazzwater. Apparently, he has a release clause, something like 6-8 mil.
Madaboutspurs
Guyver, with a keeper who makes more than just what is expected of any keeper at this level, that's what you get. If we had that, we'd be on at least 12 points and might have had three clean sheets. I was there for two of those performances. Norwich is about as bad as I have ever seen. Awful. I am not blaming officiating for that. That said, the officiating was terrible and if they had given the fouls and even throw ins the way they should have, our momentum would have been maintained instead of stagnated. We have not yet played our best keeper. We have not yet started our best striker, given the system. With Lloris, 2 of Kaboul,/Vertonghen/Caulker, 2 of Sandro/Dembele/Parker, with Dempsey in front and Ade up top, we have a pretty good middle. Lennon looks about as good as I have seen. Bale can play way better. This is a new team with a new manager. It's not going to be pretty every game out. I just expect it to get better as we go. Since every Spurs fan expects a loss against United, the worst we'll do is achieve what is expected. Best case scenario, we do what most of us can barely recall. I don't see how you contend our MF went AWOL. Some of the credit should go to Hughes and QPR today. They held the ball and we let them. Defoe, Dempsey and Sigurdsson did little to put pressure (whether forward or back) on them. In all three games you mention, there were lots of crosses supplied by the MF. Just no one there to finish. Dembele was average today. Still pretty darned good. Sandro, I thought was a monster and made up for it. Vertonghen is solid and Caulker looks every bit a top CB. I still see where we are going and believe we have a squad that can compete for a top 4 position, this season. A striker and a winger in January would be a huge plus. Isco and Leandro would be marvellous. COYS
peterballb
Not sure I agree that all those shots were savable by Friedel and feel you've been hyper critical of him throughout the season tbh. But regardless, 3 of the teams we've played are currently in the bottom 4 so you'd expect our defense to be given a sterner test against tougher opposition. I just didnt see where you got "Arsenal and Chelsea's defense is still suspect" from. Ive watched some of their games and Arsenal especially look very solid and the clean sheets show that. When I said "That would be down to our midfield going AWOL when put under pressure" I didnt just mean QPR, I also meant Norwich and West Brom. Our midfield at times has been dominated at WHL against inferior players for significant periods, that's just a fact... By what you're saying, re Townsend should have played on the left, our midfield should have closed down quicker, Lloris should be starting, it seems you are admitting AVB made several tactical/selection mistakes? Interesting. I agree we need a new striker and a winger, but imo we could also do with another creative CM because we possess a lot of power and pace in midfield, but not enough technical ability and vision imo. Life would have been made much easier for AVB if we were able o bring in the required players, but it is what it is, and we do have enough to do better and keep up with our rivals.
Guyver
I have nothing negative to say. Do you want me to come trash the team when we won? I think you would like that to much but I have and will not go on bashing the team as long as the results are there. It wasn't pretty but the right things were done to get the result and with a mix of luck and making the right calls AVB got it right at the half. Good win at home and let the run go on it makes no difference if we have to grind wins out or do it pretty but QPR at WHL was always going to be judged of us getting 3 points and AVB did that. You'll get the negativity you want from me when he is deserving of it ;)
RagingSpur
Lol Raging do u also wear knickers and high heels?
Mix26
Man Utd will win at least 10 games in this manner and Fergie will be called a genius, with his team getting praised for never giving up. Yesterday was a very clichéd 'game of two halves'. We were sluggish, had no real shape and could have been 3 nil down. 2nd half we dominated though and could and possibly should have netted a couple of times on the counter. What impressed me was how the manager was willing to change the shape, almost admitting a mistake on his part by doing it as early as half time. That change, if it came at all last season, would have been in the 70th, 75th minute.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
Some posters have said we are not better than last season's game v QPR at home... Well QPR have improved, got in world class GK and other quality players.. while we are in transition of a revamped squad.. SO.. we did win, ugly or not, I take the 3 points, that is what matters. Yes I want to see us play the fast attacking moves, like the 2nd goal.. but we cannot do this style all the time, grinding out a result is what Man Utd have been doing for 20 years!! while we have lost games like yesterday..

At least AVB is learning on his tactical formations, changing at half time, and subs. like for like.. this is what we need to be doing, as teams get into our faces.. there are no easy games in Premier League now... Just need a top quality striker who knows how to beat offside trap, and pass / score goals from around / inside the 18 yd box...COYS
Block D Spurs
Where's TonyRich he's usually the one with the most pessimism
spurring you on
Looks like my prediction of Lloris taking the number one shirt after the man u game is going to be wrong http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19698398?
In-spurs-ational
From the article "We have made Hugo aware that whenever Brad has a bad game we won't drop him," Villas-Boas said.
In-spurs-ational
IMO we were very poor in the first half, QPR came with a plan to put us on the back foot and it worked. Deservedly they were 0-1 up. Bale, I thought he would be okay also, as mentioned Dempsey was not a good call and made Bale's LB position untenable.

My only gripe was that AVB took until half time to change things. After 20-25 minutes it was fairly obvious our game plan was not working, but he did change it ...

Vertonghen ... what can I say 10/10 !!

Caulker also had a great game.

Overall a poor game for us BUT we won UGLY. Now that is a good trait to have. Roll on UTD next weekend and more composed win for the mighty Spurs .. COYS
ro6ertj
Some of you can't distinguish between criticism and critique. If all you want to do is cheer - fine, go get a tutu and muff to shake. It's no good being blinkered - the ist half set-up was shocking. Don't blame the players or injuries or Levy. We have a very good squad compared to most and AVB has to get the best out of it. That's what he gets paid megabucks for. Sparky out-thought him but to his credit and the character in the team it was rescued. Our team always has our 100% support but he has to earn our respect. I'm prepared to give him time to do that and look forward to being able to praise him when he gets it right.
Love totty
hmmm http://scribesalley.blogspot.co.uk/2008/08/difference-between-critique-and.html
BS Baffles Brains
Tatty u choose a team to support... Spurs did not choose u. If u choose to boo and mock the team then shame on u. If u choose to support and cheer ur team to drive them to win then that's beneficial. I think everyone can agree the set up was not ideal and yes we played crap in the first but a win is a win and its a result business. Wats intriguing is the numpties slating us when we are poor and then when we score two goals the " I told u team" are nowhere....
Mix26
El Jefe - Siggy a bad signing. FFS, we did not splash out £30 million on a proven deliverer - we invested in young talent. That young talent has probably had a combined three games so far, so give the lad a break. He is not setting the world on fire yet, but IS working hard for the TEAM & ideal for the pressing away games and was superb in allowing us to control the game v Reading. Bad signing FFS.
Windlespur
El Jefe - Yes Sandro has been brilliant because he can play his own game without having to nurse Livermore, Dembele is more than capable of looking after himself.
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