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Tottenham Hotspur vs. Queens Park Rangers.

It seems that AVB and the players have nearly completed their attempts to go from zero's to hero's with two impressive showings, but the question is whether they can make that three.

In fairness QPR at home isn't the hardest game on paper. A team that still looks disjointed after Mark Hughes decided to bring in enough players to almost completely change the team, and it seems that confidence and cohesion are still on the low side and playing them early, might be the perfect time to grab 3 points and build on our own improving fortunes.

Despite the result on Thursday, I was actually very pleased with the performance. Lazio are a decent side, but were beaten in every way but the scoreline and in watching all of the new players, plus Steven Caulker, look so composed, must be seen as a major positive for AVB and will give him some very nice headaches in the coming weeks.

Kyle Naughton and Emmanuel Adebayor will undergo fitness tests before the game, and of course Parker, Livermore, BAE, Kaboul and Gomes are all still out. The possible loss of Naughton on top of BAE will probably be the biggest worry, as his missing the game will either force Jan Vertonghen to revert to left back or perhaps give Adam Smith a game, though would we rule out either Bale or Townsend filling in for one game, which would be a very bold statement from the manager.

QPR may only have 2 points from their opening four games, but when two of those games were against Chelsea and Man City, it doesn't seem too much of a disaster, and the point secured Chelsea, will be seen as a real positive, though how much of that was due to row new found bitterness following the Ferdinand/Terry fall out, which might have added much more fire into the Rangers bellies.

Along with the late test on Naughton, AVB will probably have to give some real thought to his central defensive pairing. If Vertonghen has to move to left back, it might see AVB dodge a difficult decision between Caulker and Gallas and who partners the Belgium. Caulker was outstanding against Lazio, but Gallas has the experience and is still quality. Caulker would probably be the fans pick and is sure to get his chance, but I wonder if AVB values the experience and leadership qualities of Gallas, which might just give him the edge, though I feel it only a matter of time before the youngster becomes a first choice for club and perhaps country.

Brad Friedel will probably return in goal, but like Gallas, and a few others, it is now such a close call, today, but you do feel that the change in inevitable sooner, rather than later. Further up the field, you wonder how close clint Dempsey is to getting a starting place, probably over Gylfi Sigurdsson? Both again look top quality and look players that are good enough to start, but this like the other tight decisions only back up the thinking that this is now a squad with genuine depth of equal quality, which will make rotation and competition a must and also of benefit in terms of keeping things fresh and the players hungry.

Three points tomorrow, wont put Spurs back in the top Prem places, but it will continue to discredit the doubters, who were so quick to question AVB and his ability and suddenly 8 points from five games looks far better than the two from three a week ago...



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Saturday September 22 2012
Time: 4:05PM

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COYS 3 points is a must!
spurfect one
22/09/2012 16:11:00
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Watching Chelsea v Stoke. Can't imagine what it must be like to be a Stoke fan. Ouch. Pure counter attacking side with not much bite.
jvd
22/09/2012 16:20:00
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Just watching Crouch lose the ball constantly brings back such frustrating memories.
jvd
22/09/2012 16:21:00
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Lloris in goal for a first premier clean sheet!
Little spur
22/09/2012 16:38:00
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Should be 8 points in 5 games (not 4 games).
jvd
22/09/2012 16:41:00
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Can't believe Stoke allow that goal.
jvd
22/09/2012 16:43:00
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chelsea will eventually come unstuck this year im still convinced. as for tomorrow. 3 points a must an a top quality performance. 3-0 degoe bale lennon.
BrooksySpurs
22/09/2012 16:47:00
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8 pts from Five games. Thats what I wrote :-)
oxfordspur
22/09/2012 16:47:00
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If there was and fairness in football journalism (and I use that term advisedly) the headlines after this game would be calling for DiMatteo's head. Chelsea have played utter crap. Talk about poor finishing lots of possession but no penetration. If Spurs had their striking talent we would, IMHO, do a lot better than them....very biased view!
jvd
22/09/2012 16:51:00
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Ox, I think it's time I changed my glasses :)
In-spurs-ational
22/09/2012 16:58:00
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Hope the ref will be Chris Foy :))
Rip The Reds Apart
22/09/2012 17:20:00
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Looked at the table,the highest we can go with a win 2mo is seventh although that means arsenal would have to beat city by 2 clear goals. Lets hope its a draw which keeps us 1 point behind both teams. A win 2mo is vital, puts us 5 points from top and right in the mix.
spurfect one
22/09/2012 17:26:00
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I would take 1-0. It will be a tough match.
Shannon
22/09/2012 17:44:00
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Off topic and one of the only decent things to come from goal.com. This will be my new screensaver for a while. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/4051/cartoon-of-the-day/2012/09/22/3394618/-
MEMPHIS SPURS
22/09/2012 18:01:00
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Barthez is right ,Lloris is far superior to Friedel .
big cockeral
22/09/2012 18:24:00
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I don't suppose that Ade will start even if fit and Verts looked so solid on the left of centre that he will probably want to keep him there. If Naughts is out playing Gallas at LB might be an option to keep Caulker in. Then its just either Demps or Siggy. I'll take one-nil but will be very disappointed if the shots total isn't 15+.
Love totty
22/09/2012 18:29:00
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If we play like we did against Lazio we should win comfortably.
MrSpurs
22/09/2012 18:50:00
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Friedel is very good. I can remeber only one mistake he has ever made playing for Spurs that has led to us conceding a goal. It was against Swansea last season. With that kind of consistency he deserves to keep his place. Lloris is a good keeper to have though, and I hope he has a long, happy career with Spurs. Oh, and Barthez is a twit.
Shannon
22/09/2012 18:50:00
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I don't know how relevant this is considering that QPR seem to have not just a new team but an entirely new squad, but their last fifteen premier league matches have seen them W0 D3 L12. Of course we are generally very accommodating when it comes to ending losing runs.
In-spurs-ational
22/09/2012 18:51:00
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Meant to say their last fifteen premier league matches played AWAY from home
In-spurs-ational
22/09/2012 18:53:00
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The GK situation is difficult as I can understand why AVB doesn't want to upset team spirit by dropping Friedel for no real reason. Everyone knows Lloris is better and will our no.1 it's just how AVB man manages the situation.
MrSpurs
22/09/2012 18:55:00
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Shannon, Brad is good but Lloris is better. However it is right that Brad stays in goal for us as he is "on form" and it sends out the right message to the rest of the team - play well and stay in the team. I would make Lloris number one after the Man U game as no doubt Brad will let in a few goals in our annual defeat at Old Trafford
In-spurs-ational
22/09/2012 18:57:00
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I would play Bale left back, he knows the role well, it would keep him on the left and give him plenty of runway to hit top speed. As long as the left winger is willing to defend too it could be great
Guernman
22/09/2012 19:01:00
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Starting X1 for tomorow...

.....BALE..............DEFOE...............LENNON......

.....DEMBELE........DEMPSEY.........SANDRO.......

...NAUGHTON....VERTS....CAULKER...WALKER...

.......................FRIEDEL..............................

I am seeing the same starting X1 from the Lazio game with maybe GALLAS coming in for CAULKER, but i hope not as i think CAULKER stepped up a level against Lazio and proved his worth alongside VERTS..

Brad will hold his starting place, again im hoping LLORIS can soon fix his place as our No1... AVB must always have it in his mind that bar an injury, Brad will at some point have to break his continuous starting record..

Parker would be a nice bonus if fit, but as Sandro is playing like a giant then i am not to worried about that.

It would be nice to see Adeebayor get at least 20mins... if fit...i for some reason would play the following formation just once... just to see...

will i get a slating for it.. lets see..

........................Defoe.............................
.....Bale...........Adebayor.............Lennon... ...Naughton....Verts.....Caulker.....Walker...
.........................Lloris.............................

it allows Ade and JD to play off each other... and would create that strong diamond formation of ADE, JD, DEMBELE, LENNON and BALE..... our best 5 attacker... and goalscorers... obviously with subs being SIG, DEMPS and HUDD....
Yidmarks
22/09/2012 19:20:00
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If Spurs were so good against lazio ,& imo only poor refereeing cost Spurs a fine victory against an undefeated team.We were superb
Then so early in the season why should our best performance team change ?
big cockeral
22/09/2012 19:27:00
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I won't argue the merits of our two goalies. Friedel has been excellent for us, but he has said this is his last season. If he continues his consistent performances I will be happy if he stays in the team throughout. The position seems well looked after.
Shannon
22/09/2012 19:29:00
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I'd stick Bale in at left back so he does what he does best, cane every player in front of him and get the ball in the box, my team Freidal, Walker, Gallas, Vertonghen, Bale, Sandro, Dembele, Dempsey, Sigi, Lennon, Defoe. give the R's aa good spanking!
Jantheman
22/09/2012 19:36:00
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***forgot the 2 big men..

........................Defoe.............................
.....Bale...........Adebayor.............Lennon...
..........Dembele............Sandro................
...Naughton....Verts.....Caulker.....Walker...
.........................Lloris............................
Yidmarks
22/09/2012 19:42:00
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if naughts is injured i wouldnt take verts out of his position. hes been different gravy for us there. if anything id put bale back there an actually think hed be more effective going forward there cos hed have to stick there an would have space to run into which is when he is at his most effective.
BrooksySpurs
22/09/2012 20:02:00
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Shannon, you are absolutely correct. The Swansea goal was a howler, but no one seemed to mind. If Gomes had done that oh my lord. Cost us third? What I can say is that Friedel has not stolen a single game, and will not. Lloris or Gomes can. IMO, a top keeper might well have gotten to every goal we have conceded from open play. De Gea, Cech, Hart all steal games. Reina no longer does and that's why Liverpool are falling. The old 1-0 wins are now draws or losses. I suspect AVB will start Friedel again. We will concede at least one. COYS
peterballb
22/09/2012 20:13:00
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Interesting stat I saw this morning. Lennon is second in the PL in chances created. Not much has come from them other than the pull back. Crosses by Lennon have gone by without anyone getting on the end of them. We all know Bale has thrown in about 10 with only Dempsey showing he has what it takes to get there. For this reason, amongst others, It's not Sigurdsson I'd be dropping to get Dempsey in, it's Defoe. I know Defoe is working hard and is playing more of a team game. He deserves better, but then so does Dawson. Like Dawson has never been as much of a boss as Caulker was the other day, Defoe will never get on the end of all these crosses. Hasn't happened in the past, not likely to happen now. For me, with a win an absolute must, I'd go with Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Vertonghen, Naughton (Bale if he can't), Sandro, Dembele, Bale (Townsend if Bale is at LB), Sigurdsson, Lennon, Dempsey. Defoe, Ade, Hudd, Smith, Gallas, Mason and Friedel on the bench. COYS
peterballb
22/09/2012 20:21:00
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Peter - whilst I agree to a point I do think that Friedel deserves to keep his place a little longer and to suggest that we will concede at least one is disrespectful to Friedel who for example saved us from losing against Norwich with some outstanding goalkeeping.
MrSpurs
22/09/2012 20:56:00
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Naughton if out, I would replace with bale and bring Dempsey in. Verts and caulker in front of Lloris/brad and leave Defoe up top. 3-0 is not impossible if we are clinical in the 1st half, Dempsey to break his duck
van der haart lane
22/09/2012 22:45:00
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With QPR likely to pair our old pal Ryan Nelson with Anton Ferdinand, you'd think it was the type of game an in form Defoe would relish. Though if QPR play very defensively, which is probable, then that breakthrough goal will be difficult, especially the way we've struggled to score this season. Last 5 games we've only scored 1 1st half goal, usually taking 70mins to score the opener. An early goal for us will make a difference to the dynamic of the game, which should suit us more as the game opens up. If they score 1st, we'll have to score 2 goals at WHL for the 1st time this season to have a chance of winning.
Guyver
22/09/2012 23:09:00
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hi long time reader 1st time commenting (a personal first). i agree with some of the sentiments here about bale at LB. am i alone in thinking we haven't seen the best out of bale in a long while? the site of him bombing it down the left and firing-in inch perfect crosses seems like a distant memory now as he's been pushed further and further up the pitch. i would love to see him take up the LB position as a little experiment but i just don't know who the best candidate to replace him on LW would be. thinking about it maybe bale @LB would be a better tactic when away at top teams, it's a lethal counter
BS Baffles Brains
22/09/2012 23:40:00
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Bale doesn't necessarily have to play LB to do what he does best. In the game that made him famous, (Inter Milan), he was playing left mid field but he was dropping back deep and picking the ball up from the full backs, then steaming up the wing with it. There is no reason why he can't do that, it's just that he doesn't do it anymore and hasn't really done it with any consistency since that Inter game.
Hot_Spur
22/09/2012 23:55:00
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welcome BS Baffles Brains! nice name ;) I would accuse you of being harry in disguise but your obvious literacy rules that out :) yeah, bale hasn't quite found his form or place in the team, I don't like the roaming free role, but I do understand the frustration of sticking to the wing constantly delivering perfect crosses only to see no-one come near to getting to them. would definitely play bale LB tomorrow if naughton is out and play townsend/lennon/sigurdsson on the wings. lennon could play left wing as he defends and tracks back well, which would suit bale and he can be quite effective cutting in on to his right foot, leaving the left wing crosses to bale. I would then leave the right wing to siggy or townsend
Guernman
22/09/2012 23:56:00
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MrSpurs, Friedel made two saves against Norwich, one straight at him and one to his right. Both saves every keeper at this level should make. The one that had the crowd in awe was off the crossbar. I was there. I thought he saved it. As I saw upon my return, it was directly off the bar. Two inches lower it was a goal. I believe it was much more disrespectful to have Caulker start over Dawson than to have a World Class keeper start ahead of Friedel. I said it was unfair. Doesn't change my point of view. Lloris is far better with the ball in his feet and is much better on crosses and reading the play. The goal against Reading showed how far Friedel is off this level of play. Neither went to the far post where the shot was likely to come, nor did he punch out the cross (what I expect a top keeper to do). Unfair, again, yes. Disrespectful? I don't see it. He's been average at best since December. COYS
peterballb
22/09/2012 23:58:00
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agreed peterballb, and what really drives me crazy about friedel is his refusal to play short passes when we pass the ball back and he has time, he just hoofs it up field and at least 70% of the time we lose possession and find ourselves under pressure. from what I saw of lloris it looks like even his long balls tend to be quite accurate passes
Guernman
23/09/2012 00:06:00
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Lloris' time will come and I think AVB will have a good opportunity after Old Trafford, but 300+ games at this level isn't easy so I'd stick with Brad. There'll be no blooper video of his career!! Welcome BS Baffles Brains, nice First ;-P Bale to go LB and I agree it would be good for the team and him also. He got shone when BAE was out and, IMHO, was as consistent as Messi. Not as good, but every game for about a year was either MOM or next best player. I think he needs a reminder of what made him fantastic as he's trying to be great as a No.10. Play Dempsey on the right cos he'll work hard enough and will cut in to give the space to run in to. Caulker on the bench, but like Friedel, will give AVB proper competition. 1 mistake I saw from Caulker. Can't remember what it was, but one I noted. He looks like a possible Rolls Royce in the garage... just hope he's got knees!! Fantastic home-grown prospect!! I'd bring Hudd into the middle as we need someone to make us tick over. Can push Sandro up, whilst also having someone who can take the ball from the defence. Future's Bright & Lilywhite! COYS!
melloSPUR
23/09/2012 01:32:00
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@ Peterballb - Can't say I agree with dropping Defoe either. Scored plenty last season from the bench, now he's starting 3 in 4 games. Not sure, really, what more you're asking for. We didn't buy £24m RVP. If you're suggesting we do a Spain and play with no striker, then you've either seen the future and that's how football will be played or I simply applaud (not sure I'll BetFred it) your faith in our team. Dempsey upfront then? Not a bad option, but not quite mine. Yours?
melloSPUR
23/09/2012 01:44:00
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@Peterballb - Just saw u did pick Dempsey :)
melloSPUR
23/09/2012 01:45:00
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Friedel, Walker, Caulker/Naughton, Gallas,Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Bale, Dempsey, Lennon, Defoe/Ade.
sydqcb5
23/09/2012 02:49:00
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i wish Lloris would start over Freidel because he is simply a much better GK -- I doubt it will happen though -- expect slow Brad with his dodgy kicks to be back between the sticks. Lloris against Man U could see us at least get a draw... Friedel and the hoodoo continues
Cape Town Spurs
23/09/2012 08:37:00
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Rose looked class for Sunderland yesterday. I'd love to have him available to play LB for Spurs now we're short.
SamParadise
23/09/2012 09:02:00
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Looking at the table - if results go our way, we can finish on same points as Arsenal. But looking at how competitive Everton are, I just feel we are going to have long hard season in our pursit of top4. Given we haven't yet faced top sides like United, Chelsea, Arsenal, City, Everton. Count in a resilient Fulham & unpredictable L'pool, we have got some tough games ahead. And QPR today is not a easy game either. They have some really good individual players who have played in top sides on the past. The only thing going for us is their defence is weak and have lost some players of injury. We have to produce the goods today and get 3 points. Hopefully we can go under the radar and produce some results starting today.
sydqcb5
23/09/2012 09:20:00
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Sydqcb5 - QPR is an easy game or at least it should be at WHL.
MrSpurs
23/09/2012 09:58:00
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POTENTIAL BREAKING NEWS: 1. Tottenham Hotspur hope to appoint Franco Baldini as director of football to work alongside Andre Villas-Boas. 2. David Ginola, who enjoyed a glittering three-year spell at White Hart Lane, is back at the club taking his coaching badges. 3. We need to beat QPR today, anyone see a problem with keeping the same side that started against Lazio, i don't.
spu 4 life
23/09/2012 11:17:00
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I'd drop Defoe, all this "in form" talk, he's in the same as ever needs 2 dozen chances for one goal and can't spot a better option. But then he is better against weak defences and seeing the list of players missing for QPR I've changed my mind for this one.
Tottenham Hotcore
23/09/2012 11:20:00
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Keeping the same side today vs QPR, the only change i would make is the ref and his two assistants from the Lazio game. Oh we have it's Mr Phil (another penalty) Dowd,‎ any spread betting on this game, go for a penalty in 90mins play, this guy has the record of awarding the most in the prem, dive, dive, dive, he even drives a Submarine!!
spu 4 life
23/09/2012 11:29:00
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I would play Bale at left back. Naught on favours his right side too much for that position. Plus Dempsey can come into the front three with Defoe and Lennon. Then dembele, Sandro, siggy in the middle.that has better balance than seeing naught on struggle
michael.thfc
23/09/2012 11:41:00
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The naught on thing is my freakin iPad making it up as it goes along. No disrespect to Kyle Naughton
michael.thfc
23/09/2012 11:42:00
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Michael.THFC do you have as much trouble as I to scroll down the posts as it gets longer? Or have you found a way to go to the bottom post in one go...I'm talking about the iPad!
jvd
23/09/2012 13:17:00
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Sorry guys, any links for the game today? COYS!
Yido79
23/09/2012 13:22:00
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I think there is more to the Dawson situation than we know, otherwise he would have played against Lazio. regarding the goal we haven't had a clean sheet with Friedel since the season started. Lloris is far better and I expect him to replace the old guy as soon as he is 100% settled in with the team no matter how good performances Friedel seems to have. As long as we keep conceding goals with Friedel why wouldn't Lloris get a chance in goal?
logos8
23/09/2012 13:28:00
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a little harsh on Dawson to be honest. probably the most loyal player we have.
logos8
23/09/2012 13:31:00
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I think they are really trying to force Dawson to leave in January and that's why he wasn't picked for Lazio. Dawson just wants to fight for his place but I think avb and levy just wanted to show him that there is no place for him in the team any more and he should go.
logos8
23/09/2012 13:31:00
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Adebayor is injured people, we're not gonna see him start for awhile due to his dodgy hamstring, so best get behind Defoe. Even his scuffed shots go in at the mo. Will Dempsey get a start? In place of who? Is Naughton injured? Thought he's done really well at LB thus far. Stick with Gallas/Vertongen. Lloris is a class above, I just think AVB needs to put this stupid Friedel longest-consecutive-games-starting record to bed once and for all so we can move on.
tengboon
23/09/2012 13:39:00
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Yido 79 http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/ I find vipbox or first row ok
spu 4 life
23/09/2012 13:39:00
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Dawson not good enough, Caulker has already stepped up and shown he's next in line. Our centre-back situation is probably the strongest in the league right now. Just please don't fall asleep the last 5 min!!!
tengboon
23/09/2012 13:42:00
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Peterballb, it's a rare day that I disagree with you my fellow T Dot rez, but swapping Defoe for Dempsey makes no sense to me whatsoever, no matter what angle I look at it
tengboon
23/09/2012 13:48:00
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Peterballb, it's a rare day that I disagree with you my fellow T Dot rez, but swapping Defoe for Dempsey makes no sense to me whatsoever, no matter what angle I look at it
tengboon
23/09/2012 13:48:00
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I would swap defoe for dempsey. with so many players capable of sending good crosses in the box it is a shame not to have a competent man to jump and head for goal. defoe is too small for that.
logos8
23/09/2012 13:56:00
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dawson is simply not in the same league talentwise as kaboul, vertonghen or caulker. This is why i have never laid into the likes of modric for wanting to leave to madrid or berbatov to united. in the end the club does not show loyalty to loyal players - and i am not saying they should, but it does go both ways. dawson is not as good as our other options so he moves down the ladder or moves clubs to play regular first team football. if modric can orchestrate a move up the ladder to madrid then of course he is going to and should, even if it means throwing his toys about - i would too in that situation. all is fair in love and war and all that. what i never get is fans saying out with dawson or lennon, who are very loyal to the club, but are not really sought for by bigger clubs, but that modric is the antichrist for showing no loyalty
Guernman
23/09/2012 13:57:00
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Guernman, I don't think fans mind players leaving after all for every new player we bring in, there's a club that has just lost a player. What fans mind is how players leave. If Modric had said "I want to play for Madrid but I will give my all to spurs in the meantime" no one would have minded and he would have gone with or best wishes. If playing in Spain was such a big issue for him, he should have got some sort of release clause in his contract
In-spurs-ational
23/09/2012 14:07:00
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not surprising to see liverpool really up for this, but they are all over united. just shows what a difference real effort makes. they will really want the win today and I hope they get it
Guernman
23/09/2012 14:08:00
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That was a harsh red card for Shelvy. Killed the game as a contest.
Fanman
23/09/2012 14:11:00
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Good for us though. If man u can win this game then they won't be "mad" in their next home game to prove a point - they seem to play at their best after losing games
In-spurs-ational
23/09/2012 14:16:00
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liverpool down to 10 men but still played well in the first half. hope they put a dent on man u for spurs' sake
spurring you on
23/09/2012 14:18:00
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in-spurs-ational do you really hope for some points from the man united game?
logos8
23/09/2012 14:19:00
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In-spurs-ational, that is so true. I'd rather united won to be honest. Liverpool our are rivals... Hopefully we can overcome our inferiority complex against United and get something at OT.
Fanman
23/09/2012 14:21:00
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that was a quality tackle from shelvey. ferdinand scum for trying to get him sent off
BrooksySpurs
23/09/2012 14:22:00
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We have a really good squad at the moment. Here's hoping AVB makes the most of it. I wouldn't mind the same starting 11 that started against Lazio today. Gallas and Friedel will start though...
Fanman
23/09/2012 14:24:00
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MrSpurs - QPR play well against London teams - I would expect us to win it, but I dont think it will be easy. Heavy rain will only hinder our passing game.
sydqcb5
23/09/2012 14:32:00
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2.Sir Dick Caan196
3.MAN ON!153
4.Nick Real Deal136
5.Taricco the yid103
6.80deg16minW102
7.Real Deal90
8.steveperryman70
9.BelgianSpur68
10.Big Chiv67