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Manchester United vs. Tottenham Hotspur

On Friday evening I make my annual pilgrimage to Manchester to spend Saturday evening sitting in Old Trafford courtesy of my United season ticket holding brother in law. 

Spurs have achieved just three wins in 40 meetings since the top division was revamped in 1992-93. Chuck in eight draws and Spurs have won just 17 points from United, while United have won 95 points or 2.38 points per game against us. United have won 84.8 per cent of the points of all those split between the pair. It is the 14th most uneven contest in the Premier League. 

On Saturday evening AVB takes Spurs to Old Trafford and I wanted to look at what AVB has achieved against Manure whilst at Chelsea. At Old Trafford last season it was 3-1 to Manure, AVB's first defeat with Chelski since joining the PL. In the return fixture at the Bridge it was 3-0 to Chelsea and then the wheels came off, or rather, Daniel Sturridge, who was, by all accounts, Chelski's best player. He was replaced by the rather raw looking talent of Oriol Romeu. The result; 2 Rooney Goals and one from Hernandez and a 3 -3 result. Had the game lasted 5 minutes longer it was generally acknowledged that Rooney would have got his 3rd and Manure all 6 points for the season! 

I am hoping that AVB learnt something from that poor choice of substitute and that the same mistake isn't repeated in Saturday's match. However, in the West Brom match at WHL this season, we were 1-0 up and AVB brought on Jenas in the 76th minute for Defoe, 14 minutes later West Brom scored. AVB's record in the PL for Chelski was: Points per Game in PL; 1.7 and success in games; 61%, not bad if you are a mid-table team, but not exactly what a Billionaire like Abramovich wants to see as a return on his investment. 

On Saturday we will find out just how far AVB has come since his last appearance in the PL at Old Trafford. Last season, on the 18th September 2011, United were three up at half-time. Chelsea contributed to their own downfall courtesy of poor defending and a dismal failure to take the chances that came their way. Sound familiar? To be fair Rooney missed a penalty ending up on his backside after slipping and Torres completely missed an open goal. So what does AVB need to do on Saturday to improve our 17 points from a possible 95 that we currently have against Manure? 

Who we play depends on how we approach the game? Do we go for attack and put two up front? or do we go five across the middle and four at the back and hope we can catch them on the counter? How will Fergie see the game? He hasn't got Vidic (again) and Rooney may still be out so Manure have got problems. Everton sunk them by hunting in packs and forcing them off the ball, but they had Fellaini who was unplayable that night up against Carrick playing at CB. 

Last Weeked the Bin Dippers hunted them down and for 60 minutes were the better side. So is the secret to hurry Manure when they are on the ball and go for them at the breakdown or are we going to see square balls being played at the back and passes into space for the wings to run on to. How does AVB play this one?

Written by OyVeh Maria




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Date:Thursday September 27 2012

Time: 10:49PM

Your Comments

I think this will be the first win I can remember against United :)
BrooksySpurs
Chris Foy as referee + away to Old Trafford = 0 Points + loads of bad decisions + us, totally pi$$ed of on Sunday morning.

A miracle is needed if we have to win there.
sydqcb5
My team :
Friedel/Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Gallas, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Bale,Dempsey,Defoe.
sydqcb5
Good article- please more of it oyveh. I would also have a 5 man midfield and hunt them. Starving rvp of the ball and forcing them back. And emphasing to bale and Lennon to track back quickly to retrieve and assist our backs who aren't exactly on fire (bar jan). 1-1 or 2-1 to us
van der haart lane
To me this is more about the players being up for it. If we can show the same grit and determination like we did against Lazio, then we may very well have a chance (that is assuming that utd. are not playing with '12' players). We typically lose this game because we've lost mentally and teams like Utd. can smell blood instantly. This where the difference lies between us and them currently, and yes I don't really rate the current Utd. team. I think Arsenal have more of a chance at winning the league than them.
spuradic
lioris will play and we will or should have won!
Little spur
tbh guys im not expecting anything from this game. 3-1 united :( i do kinda wish lloris would play but then id be going against my principals. so the team i think avb will play on sat goes, fried, walks, caulks, gallas, verts, lennon, demb, sandro, bale, siggy (id rather have demps), and defoe
BrooksySpurs
One thing going into game positive for us is Dembele who had a great game there this season for Fulham. I see him doing the same this time too. And I really really want to see Vertonghen at LB and Bale at LW.
sydqcb5
Correction: should be "17 points from a possible 120".
OneCentRob
need to score 3 to get anything from the game not gona happen im afraid:-(
finglasyid
when was the last time we got a penalty at OT??? and if by a miracle we do, who takes it?
shedboy2
Forget the ref's decisions Man U deserve their record against us.
MrSpurs
Lloris to save the match for Spurs with a series of spectacular saves! Why not?
Total knobhead
Not sure a certain Mr Mendez would agree with you Mrspurs.
ItalianYiddo
COME ON YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN !!!
Madaboutspurs
Italian - 3 wins in 20 years I would say Mr Mendez would struggle to disagree to much.
MrSpurs
MrSpurs one win could ve changed so many things. Jinx broken . One point could ve had us at playing Montepillier and scum facing Lazio.
sydqcb5
"I am hoping that AVB learnt something from that poor choice of substitute and that the same mistake isn't repeated in Saturday's match". Yes I hope that AVB doesn't make a bad substitution at 3-0 up as well :-)
In-spurs-ational
"It is the 14th most uneven contest in the Premier League". I can't believe there are 13 more uneven contests. Surely we should be number one!
In-spurs-ational
If anyone wants to defeat United at OT (and few have achieved that lately), a strong and solid winning mentality is more than needed. It plays the central stage part. Tactics and formation are important, surely, but to beat United, Spurs must believe they can do it. I´m tired of seeing sides 1 or 2 goals up United just to lose the match in a mere 3 to 4 minute-span. Don´t you believe ?? Just ask Southampton fans two weeks ago.
AlexSpur
HA HA Inspurational. I thought the same thing. No 14 !! We must be higher than that. The result is such an annoying foregone conclusion it really is not funny. I hope one day I am proven wrong

You will all forgive me if I do NOT wake up at 2.30 am where I am to watch this game.
Madaboutspurs
I'm know manager but I would look to the left hand side to unlock utd, I've been watching rafael this season and he likes to push right up there, in doing so grabbing himself 3 goals already this season, bale is going to be key as he will have a lot of space on the left hand side to run in, hopefully he will give rafael the lesson he taught his Brazilian mate!!
tottingham10
4-5-1 for me press them loads which is A.V.Bs style and please have Llrois in goal this week for quick accurate passes out to hit them on the break and with that in not saying Frdial just dont play him for this game ,,,Man U are swapping keepers and it works i think Llrois woul be pumpd up and have a blinder.Whats the latest on Ade ??? COYS cant wait for this Saturday 2 fine games to watch !!!
Edinburgh Spur
Word is fergie is playing Foy through the middle with Clattenburg in the wings so I predict a complpete hammering of their goal with several definite penalty appeals turned down, a key player for us sent off (later rescinded on video evidence) 3 goals disallowed all of which crossed the line and werent offside with pundits still waxing lyrical about how we need goalline technology now but see how utd won even tho they were pants its what champions do you know and a late penalty for them when Rooney trips over a sod of grass that we left there malisciously and on purpose as a henous trap. 3 points to manure again mom to Foy and old red nose spouting 5h1te about swings and roundabouts how our luck will come these things balance themselves out etc etc etc...
nomorewhlegends
nomorewhlegends, so the usual then
In-spurs-ational
tot10, good call on playing to the left, Rafael is injured this week as well.

By the way, this is the best bloody article I've read on the Lloris/Friedel thing: http://hereisthecity.com/2012/09/27/nh-lloris-to-be-given-baptism-of-fire/?
tengboon
Simple. Match them player for player all over the pitch for 90 minues. Attitude, effort and inteligent teamwork. Absolutely no point in sitting back, we need to impose our game as they will trying to do to us. See you there OyVeh - we'll be the ones pretending to clap MU whilst not actually touching palms.:)
Love totty
To me this is just another game - win, lose or draw it should have no significant impact on the bigger picture, we'll still be in 4 competitions regardless of the result. However, this is a media game. Its Man U, its high profile and Skysports and The Sun will be all over it. Its ridiculous, but we need a result to get some good media coverage and get our own fans to buy into this new era. A heavy loss and it would go the other way and could spell the end of AVB even before its even begun. Ridiculous, but thats the reality these days. Fans don't use their own brains anymore, they follow what the media tell them. Incidently, great to see AVB putting that journalist in his place asking him about Lloris' frustration - "what frustration, how do you know he's frustrated?". LOL - nice one AVB. Phucking hell i hate journalists. Meanwhile, despite all the negativity and unease, we are 6 games unbeaten and won 3 out of the last 4 - see you can twist it however way you want to!
StillRickyVilla
I'm not expecting anything from this game, I just hope that we don't get humiliated.
Fanman
sydqcb5, I agree with your team, unless Naughton is fit, then we can move Verts back to centre-half. I definately hope Dempsey starts ahead of Sigurdsson. He'll be able to get on the end of Bale and Lennon's crosses, forget about Defoe doing that...
Fanman
And as regards the article, typical replication of media drivel. The media made a big thing of the Sturridge substitution blaming Man U's comeback on AVB - lo and behold every fan thinks Chelsea didn't win that game because of AVB. Not because of the hundreds of different factors and plays that can happen during a game of football. But the substitution is highlighted as the one and only reason. Abslolutely ridiculous.
StillRickyVilla
Here's another stat that the article doesn't mention. Harry Redknapp: years in management - 30 Trophies won - 1. AVB: years in management - 2 Trophies won - 4. Typical AVB sniping article from a typical Spurs fan who got brainwashed by Redknapp's media pals. Do we even want to be successful?
StillRickyVilla
I dont want to temp fate but surely...SURELY this time there wont be some sort of refereeing clanger that leads to us getting our traditional, old Trafford thumping. Surely this time, a new manger and a new set of ideas, a new set of players including one who destroyed United earlier in the season...we have at least a cat in hell's chance of getting something.

I have to be honest, I'm not even hoping for a win. In fact if we get a draw I'll be delighted...I think I'd even be happy getting beat 1-0 as long as it has nothing to do with the ref.
KierzoSBC
I hope AvB has watched our last game against manure.
Tottenham Hotcore
This is the game where I really wish we had another fit defensive midfielder. Sandro-Dembele-Parker would have been my ideal midfield with Bale-Ade-Lennon up front. Since this isn't an option I think it will be Friedel Walker-Caulker-Gallas-Vertonghen Sandro-Dembele Lennon-Demspey-Bale Defoe
Kes80
I think putti Lloris in now could be suicide for his future confidence. If we go there and get stuffed 3-0 we could get a Gomes situation again where his confidence was smashed by a few errors, which led to further errors in a vicious circle! Of course if Friedel plays and we lose it could give AVB the reason to drop him and bring in Lloris?
gothic spur
Tengboon i read that article ,it is class so rare nowadays ,everyone should have a read.On the team i would rather keep Vetts at left back for this one ,Caulks and Gallas will be fine ,,,Naughton has really impressed me but this will be a step up and for Caulks itwill be the biggest game of his life and he will shine ,,,would like Ade fit ,he is out again with hamstring .
Edinburgh Spur
nomorewhllegends...top post ! love it!
OyVeh Maria
@nomorewhllegends you forget to mention Howard Webb!
SPURS666
edinburgh spur...lets not forget that naughton and caulker had a full season prem experience last year so i am sure they played against top teams home and away so i have every faith that they will be ready for OT tomorrow if needed.
MP81yid
0 points for Spurs this weekend i'm afraid. I also have the pleasure of going to Old Trafford for the first time this weekend its just a shame I will be leaving disapointed.
Rapm
Man Utd away is the type of game where we really find out what AVB is made of. If he doesn't apply a clear set tactics and a game plan then these reported 50 page dossiers that he creates are worthless and Please please please do not start Jemain Defoe up front on his own!!!
MrSpurs
I think it's unfair to pin AvBs success on this game, history states we will get nothing.
Tottenham Hotcore
I don't see where our goals will come from. We needed Ade for this game, ManU defence will snuff Defoe out no problem.
Hot_Spur
we will not get any points on Saturday only point we will get is the finger out as losers yet again .,... i just cannot understand how we cant beat the 14 player ofUtd when we play them I just think it is unfair the FA allow 3 of them to wear black and one is allowed a WHISTLE and he stops the game when we might socre !! where is a bloody ref in this fixture when you need them oh thats right he is a utd player
Aussie Yiddo
Jenas has gone for now, and a win at Old Trafford in the same week? C'mon guys AVB is doing a great job but do you really think he can manage both of these in the space of a couple of days?????
yiddyboy
ManU wage bill must be colossal what with all the players and referees as well.
Hot_Spur
I'm not going to say I'm confident of a win at Trafford, but what I would say is that I think this Spurs team has more players in it that won't be overawed and beaten before a ball is kicked. Man for man our midfield is equal to theirs, no question. They have injuries to key defenders, and aside from RVP their strikers aren't exactly pulling up any trees. I can see Fergie putting Valencia at RB, whether that means trouble for our own LB or an opportunity for Bale to have his first decent game of the season remains to be seen. But yeah, cautious optimism would just about sum my mood up for this game. And let's face it, we're due a favour or two from Foy!!! Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
THE GOOD, THE BAD & THE UGLY; So it's old trafford on saturday and the odds may be stacked against us; Many, many years ago, i travelled to this game, Division one september 4th 1976, One of the guys (Man U fan & driver) from our local pub got a coach load up, mixed with my mates, 7 of us, all spurs fans and setting off early on saturday morning for the 3pm kick-off, no ticket required. Arriving we all got seperated, i ended up with another mate (Man U fan and his dad) in the end opposite the stretford end, what ever that's called and it was full with Man U fans, oh great, fights broke out in the stand to my left, and a ball had not been kicked, YET. Without a league win in our first three games of the season, Steve Coppell had put United in front after 16 minutes, with Stuart Pearson netting a second before half-time. I never moved when they scored, everyone else was jumping all over the place, it was the worst feeling in my entire life at a game, the goals scored in the end i was standing. Second half started, only the second half was very different, as we set about United in a determined fashion. A goal from Ralph Coates, which swung straight in from a 56th minute corner put us back in it, while Ian Moores scored his first Spurs league goal after Naylor and Neighbour set up the opening for him. With just ten minutes remaining on the clock, a left-footed drive from substitute John Pratt flew into the net 3-2 to us, for fear of getting kicked into the next century, again i never moved, but inside my heart was pumping, a man u fan asked me ''how long to go'' i replied, ''just under 10mins, it's a good game'' the smile on my face when he turned around was a kodak moment, i looked at my mate and his dad and just winked, thank phuck for that the final whistle, 3-2 and we have won, get out and back to the coach, meeting up with my mates again, was like seeing a long lost relation again after god knows how many years, we must have laughed, hugged each other and singing for what seemed ages at the time, on the long journey home we sung all the way back, well most of it until falling asleep. My only visit but a 100% record. The Spurs team that day was - Daines, Naylor, McAllister, Hoddle, Willie Young, Keith Osgood, Coates (Pratt), Perryman, Moores, Chris Jones, Neighbour Attendance : - 60,723
spu 4 life
As it is when fighting an American in America. You have to knock him out to get a draw. Remember Pedro Mendes?
spurboy61
This is a fixture that somehow Spurs always seem to be on the wrong end of bad referee decisions for some reason. Over the last few years, Spurs have had the following go against them:- 2010/11 – Heurelho Gomes mistakenly believes that a free-kick has been awarded after a handball in the box – the keeper subsequently puts the ball down to restart play, only for Luis Nani to opportunistically stroke the ball home into the empty net. Mark Clattenburg claims that he played ‘advantage’ rather than awarding the free-kick, yet fails to explain how an opposing side can score a goal during another team’s ‘advantage period’. 2008/9 – Howard Webb awards Manchester United a penalty after Michael Carrick goes to ground after contact from Heurelho Gomes. At full speed, the Brazilian keeper clearly makes a clean contact on the ball, rendering the impact with Carrick incidental. 2004/5 – Pedro Mendes shoots from 45-yards, and a scrambling Roy Carroll fumbles the ball a full two yards over the goal-line. Neither the referee or the assistant spots it, and play continues. 2007/8 – Wes Brown handles Dimitar Berbatov’s goal-bound shot on the line, nothing is awarded. 2001/2 – Mauricio Taricco concedes one of the softest penalties ever awarded at Old Trafford for a phantom shirt tug. The Argentine is also, mystifyingly, red-carded. Now I find it hard to believe one team can have this much bad luck in the same fixture, I just hope Chris Foy gives us a fair "rub of the green" but I sorry I will not hold my breath.
Ox Yid
As much as I am left fuming at refereeing decisions 99% of the time with this fixture, atleast the game (9 times out of ten) is an absolute cracker with great attacking football from both teams. Of all the instances in recent history the Nani goal is the one that *****es me off most, that was ridiculous. With the Mendes goal atleast the linesman was however many dozens of yards away so atleast he had some semblance of an excuse, even if he was the only one in the stadium who didnt see it!
Mex_yiddo
Well take a look at this bundle of fun away at OLD TRAFFORD; Spurs to Old Trafford for the Saturday evening kick-off; and you know what that means – more hilarious refereeing decisions. Obviously one of the great features of the Premier League, is the impressive level of consistency the officials manage to maintain in creating a competitive imbalance for any side visiting to Old Trafford Is truly remarkable. By way of a strange series of coincidence, probably throws up more examples of this delightful phenomenon than any other fixture in the league. So let’s have a little retrospective on some of the more…unexpected…refereeing calls in recent years. – Heurelho Gomes mistakenly believes that a free-kick has been awarded after a handball in the box – then subsequently puts the ball down to restart play, only for Nani to opportunistically stroke the ball home into the empty net. Mark Clattenburg claims that he played ‘advantage’ rather than awarding the free-kick, yet fails to explain how an opposing side can score a goal during another team’s ‘advantage period’. – Howard Webb awards Manchester United a penalty after Michael Carrick goes to ground after contact from Heurelho Gomes. At full speed, the Brazilian keeper clearly makes a clean contact on the ball, rendering the impact with Carrick incidental. – Pedro Mendes shoots from 45-yards, and a scrambling Roy Carroll fumbles the ball a full two yards over the goal-line. Neither the referee or the assistant spots it, and play continues. -Wes Brown handles Dimitar Berbatov’s goal-bound shot on the line, nothing is awarded. – Mauricio Taricco concedes one of the softest penalties ever awarded at Old Trafford for a phantom shirt tug. The Argentine is also, mystifyingly, red-carded. – Tim Sherwood is hacked to the floor by Paul Scholes during the build-up to David Beckham’s equaliser; the incident happens right in front of the referee, but play continues.
spu 4 life
SAME SAME Ox yid... I remember Man U home last season; mind games when fergie said ''he feared Saha'' so harry got done and played him, he was shi7e.......
spu 4 life
Valencia is doubtful says Ferguson thats a bonus for a start ,its a bit all doom and gloom out there come on its got to change sometime really !:) ,worried about V.D.V he will want to score against us for sure ,with all the changes and renewed recent confidence we do actually stand a chance ,,,i watched Southhampton against them and they were shi te for 65 mins [yeah i know the other 25 mins :)] ,letsd have a bit of hope a !! COYS.
Edinburgh Spur
The Nani goal was Gomes' own fault. Have you not heard of "play to the whistle"? No foul was given for the hand ball, he did as he said, play the advantage.
Hot_Spur
We have set up as an away team so far this season so it should be an interesting match. Utd are playing $h1t but as always they are still winning so won't be easy but as the article suggests it is about time we started winning!!! COYMFS!!!!
T.H.F.Chris
BTW, Last time we beat United, Steffen Freund was in the bench. Tomorrow he would be in our bench too....
sydqcb5
edinburgh...VDV????do you mean RVP???
shedboy2
I agree with spu4life....re Gomes....there was no advantage for us, ever heard of unsporting conduct? that's what that was brought about by bad refereeing...
shedboy2
The only player in the Spurs Squad that has any recent experience of beating Manure at Old Trafford is Vertonghen with Ajax last season 1-2 Europa League Cup......!
OyVeh Maria
CAN SOMEONE MAKE IT STOP ASKING I WANT THE ANDROID APP. PLEASE. I downloaded, you can't read posts, or post yourself. Unless it's been updated.
Tottenham Hotcore
I'm sure the linesman had his flag up with the Gomez incident.
Tottenham Hotcore
The sad truth is we are easily good enough to beat MANU, but our psycology gets in the way. Every team that goes there with no expectations and has lost before they step on the pitch. I don't think they are a great team like in the past. How many of them would play regularly for Spurs. But the mental block is there even a 3 goal lead isn't enough to seal victory. Hypnotise the players - it's the only way
SPUDMAN
shedboy - The "advantage" means that spurs had possession. What is the point in awarding a free kick when spurs have possession anyway? Awarding a free kick simply interrupts play unnecessarily. Spurs had possession with Gomes therefore no need to blow for a free kick, simply play on. Gomes was at fault for not playing to the whistle. It was not bad refereeing at all, on the contrary it was good refereeing in allowing play to continue uninterrupted. Gomes puts the ball down in open play it's fair game for Nani to do what he did. Gomes fault pure and simple. PLAY TO THE WHISTLE.
Hot_Spur
Hotcore - The linesman's flag even if it was up (and you don't know that) is irrelevant. The ref's whistle is what you play to, not the linesman's flag.
Hot_Spur
Tottenham Hotcore the linesman for tomorrow has already signalled for a Utd penalty!!
yiddyboy
Hot_Spur, play to the whistle is a fair statement and a golden rule that was drilled into me from a young age. But as shedboy2 states, there is the point of unsporting conduct. It the same as kicking the ball out when a player is injured, you are not forced to give the ball back but sportingly you do. Same principle applies my friend!
yiddyboy
Spurs have had 17 Managers and Caretaker Managers since the Premier League started and not one has recorded a PL Victory in that time at Old Trafford ....!
OyVeh Maria
So many with Gallas beside Walker. Positionally slow and positionally unaware. We have played poor teams that have failed to rip us apart in this regard. I do not expect Fergie to be so kind. If Brad is in net, I suspect we'll need to score 4. There is no lineup I can chuck out there that could manage that without it being so poor defensively that we concede 6 or 7. If Naughton is still unavailable I'd go with Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Bale, Sigurdsson, Lennon and Dempsey. Hudd, Gallas, Defoe, Townsend on the bench.

United will not come at us. They will try to stop us from doing what we want and will make us pay for any loose passes with counters. We need to get the ball and hold on to it and unlike against Lazio we need to bury our chances. Get up early and then make them change to an offensive setup and counter with pace. Rafael and a few others make huge mistakes every game. Run at them. Be ruthless and quick and we can win. We have the talent in the side we just need to execute and play for the full 98 minutes. COYS
peterballb
Seems Rooney is back and you might as well put your weeks earnings on a man.utd win. BUT ...we'll all be watching..cos' footballs a funny old game !!..lol. Just hoping to see... friedel, walker,gallas,caulker,vertonghen, lennon,sandro,dembele,bale, dempsey,defoe. subs...to include Parker and addy..soon to be ready.
82spursdebut
If Naughton is available the back four would be Walker, Caulker, Jan and Naughton. COYS
peterballb
yiddyboy - No it's not the same thing. Your example is a dead ball situation, in the Gomes incident the ball was live. If Gomes behaves as if a foul was given when a fouls was not given then Gomes is at fault. There cannot be any argument about that. It was not bad refereeing, it was good refereeing in playing the advantage rule. Gomes phucked up. What Nani did was not unsporting, the ball was in live play. I can understand people being p****d off, I was p****d off, but I was P****d off at Gomes, not the ref. Blaming the ref is simply sour grapes and denial that Gomes was at fault.
Hot_Spur
I always dread the Manu games, especially as 2 of my brothers are United supporters. It does not matter how well we play something always goes against us. Ref decisions, Bad pass back, Goalie clanger, you name it. Now on the positive side, maybe AVB has done his research he will set us up so we are more of a threat. If we break against the manure like we did against QPR in the 2nd half on Sunday and actually convert those chances I could see a good result. Let's send some positive vibes to Old Trafford! I want to see old red nose in shock from losing to Tottenham Hotspur!
mountainyid
on a different note, I so hate the media. The video of AVB being asked why Lloris is frustrated......bunch of wayne kerrs!
mountainyid
I prefer your first line up PeteB.... Vertonghen plays LB for his country...Caulker is big enough and ugly enough and AVB should give him a go...not sure about Daws getting a crack as a start but at the end of the day he would give everything to prove a point, unfortunately, AVB doesnt rate Daws and so we will see Gallas play, I am sure of that. All we can do is try and find some weaknesses...Ferdinand is neither fast nor good under pressure..Rafael does make mistakes, your right, and is better going forward than defending...Rooney is not match fit and although he played some really good link up play against the Toons, a few hard tackles might just test his injury...but we have to hunt them down, the toffees and bin dippers proved that and so did Southampton dont give any of them time on the ball, but more than anything ,we have to be able to score when we get our chances. I dont know how many chances Defoe has to get to get the goals we need, his conversion ratio of chances to goals scored is still too low and both Bale and Defoe are guilty of going for goal too many times rather than looking for the spare man.. someone has to unlock their defense, if we play Lennon and Bale we have to have two leading the line and we have to work the channels, if its Defoe up front Bale will end up coming inside to look for work and vertonghen will be left too exposed....
OyVeh Maria
mountain - Yea bunch of wayne kerrs but AVB gave 'em short shrift, good for him.
Hot_Spur
hot_spur....he did at that, which was pleasing to listen too. No beating around the bush with AVB!
mountainyid
Just out of interest, why would we drop Defoe based on his performances so far this season?
oxfordspur
Ox...I don't think he will drop Defoe while he's the 2nd top scorer at present in the prem league. As frustrating as JD is at times while he is on form he has to play. He just needs to be aware of team mates around him when they have a better chance of hitting the back of the net and then maybe they will do the same for him (eg Bale).
mountainyid
Ox ...I assume you are referencing PeterB's line up....I dont think we can drop Defoe and AVB thinks JD is "On fire" at the moment...what I hope will happen is that ,if Defoe is left to lead the line A) he gets the service and B) his conversion ratio of chances to goals improves...I think he will certainly give Ferdinand a hard time as long as the ball is played on the deck...Defoe knows Rio inside out and he knows Rio's game, I for one am looking forward to that particular contest.....
OyVeh Maria
OX - Yes but his performance has been against weaker teams than ManU. If he's up front on his own he will simply get snuffed out against the best teams.
Hot_Spur
Got to be honest guys and i think it will be a hard fought loss. We won't disgrace ourselves but think that RVP and Rooney will tear Gallas a new one so to speak!!! Have the upmost confidence in Verts but playing Naughton at LB against Manure will be torture so i can see him playing Caulker at CB with Gallas and Verts LB. Midfield HAS to include Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Bale and A.N other. I would prefer Dempsey over Siggy as Dempsey has a never say die attitude.
woodyn17
Hot_Spur, you do realize that Nani held the ball in his hands. He physically had 2 hands on the ball. With my interpretation of the rules, only a dead ball situation could have been the result. It's what everyone thought. When have you ever seen a ball in play and a player who is not the keeper hold the ball in his hand and the play continue as if it had not been so? It was a terrible call and very unsporting behaviour from Nani. COYS
peterballb
I actually think Naughton at ~LB will be good Nani likes to cut in on his right which will favour Naughton being a natural right footer it will force nani on to the wing ... but end of the day no matter how good we play we will come away with zero points Manky Yanky and Gallas will assure us of that!!
Aussie Yiddo
A Win here could give AVB legend status & win many dubious fans over plus shut the media up .
A win at Old Trafford for Spurs doesn`t look possible as that`s just the way it is ,even if we play really well ,something always pops up for the lucky Manure .

Pedro Mendes shoots but a Man Utd scarf is waving in the face of the unbiased scarf wearing linesman,blocking his view .

Lloris
Walker,Caulker,Gallas,Vertonghen,
Sandro,Dembele
Lennon,Dempsey,Bale,
Defoe
big cockeral
if lloris were to start and defoe and to a lesser extent bale looked to actually pass the ball occasionally then we could win. on the other hand, lennon needs to just shoot if he is, as he often is, the player in the best position to score. unfortunately friedel will start and defoe is too selfish so we will likely lose. I would play jan at LB as he has a great rapport with bale. I hate to do it as i am sure he doesn't want to play LB but for this game it could be key. If naughton is fit though I guess dropping gallas might be a better option. I would play caulker and dempsey. Sandro and Dembele need to be in their faces and apply a lot of pressure and walker needs to wake up. Bale needs to stay on the wing and give rafael hell, thats their weakness, but then we need dempsey to be on the end of bale's crosses because defoe sure as hell won't be. we are long due giving away a penalty though, especially with the walker/gallas on the right combo and with foy as ref I have my fears. Friedel presents plenty of weaknesses for them to exploit, and while i think we will create chances, our key attackers are too selfish to do real damage. personally I would fine players 100,000 pounds every time they blatantly ignore well positioned teammates and go for glory themselves. Defoe would be bleeding cash. His finishing ratio can in no way justify it. We will create a limited number of chances so we really must work as a team to convert them. united are remarkably unselfish in this way, rooney for example always plays the option most likely to result in a goal, he is always on the look out for the assist. it means much higher chance conversion. shame ade isn't fit because he could make the difference
Guernman
OhVeh, enjoy the game. I agree with you. AVB will go with Gallas. He will go with Friedel. Our chances go down drastically if they are in, IMO. Walker has been horrid positionally his whole career. This season it has been worse. Gallas has shown his age and a lot of his forward passes are loose and result in quick counters. We have not played teams with the ability to kill you. Let's face it, giving the ball to Holt on the midfield line with only two guys back means that 7 will be back before he is in scoring position. Make the same mistake with Rooney, or Chicarrito or Nani and you could well be pulling the ball from the back of the net. Add to that how slow Gallas now is and it's a recipe for disaster on the right with a shot going to the left of Friedel, where, coincidently, he is very slow this season. All but 1 of the goals from open play have beat him there. He has no push off and cannot get there. It started showing last season when he couldn't get to free kicks well inside the post. He has no push to the left. Gallas plus Walker also means Lennon has to stay back which kneecaps our attack from the right. As to Defoe, yes, I would start him from the bench, same as I would have done from the beginning of the season, or go with him in a 4-4-2. He may be hot but he does nothing. The QPR game he was as bad as Gallas. If he had not scored there would have been nothing to judge him on. We need someone up top to get on the end of the crosses that Bale and Lennon supply in numbers every game. That has never been Defoe. Defoe, up top alone is exactly what Fergie wants. Completely impotent once we get in to the final third. Does anyone really believe ManU are going to give him the space QPR, Reading, Norwich and WBA did? Come on folks. The game is winnable but you have to play horses for courses. Bring him on late and switch to a 4-4-2 so that he can gain space from Dempsey and run at a tired defence. The chances will be there. Lennon and Bale are well up there in the league in chances created. We just have not been using the correct striker tio get something out of them. COYS
peterballb
Tottenham Hotcore....I had the same problem last weeend, just retried the App ( Android) and there was an option to say 'No Thanks' it then let me log on and use Vital Spurs

I use Opera Mini Browser if that helps.

The Vital Footaball App, I hae filtered it o show just Tottenham...There appears to be no news, although all the above are shown on Vital Spurs

Hopefully some help.. COYS MU 0-2 Spurs !
ro6ertj
perterbalb...been away a while, did you enjoy your visits to WHL ?
ro6ertj
Ox, to directly answer your question re: Defoe. He is not "on fire". He is the same Defoe we have seen over 100's of games. Yes, he'll score .60 goals per 90 minutes. The stats don't lie. It's a career worth. He was terrible against QPR. His movement poor. He harried no one to get the ball back. HJe created no link-up play. If I recall correctly, he once held the ball up and just turned and shot at every occasion getting nowhere near the net. People say, oh he's confident and on fire. No, he's offside and wastefull. Not offside because he mis-timed his run. For that, one would have had to have been onside at some point in the build up. The thing that frustrates me most about Defoe and Ade is that most of their offsides were always going to be offsides. They were never onside. It's lack of attention to detail and is sheer laziness. It turns over possession and kills the threat. All he did against QPR was allow them to keep possession and to end any possession we had. It's not good enough and is not indicative of a player "on fire". COYS
peterballb
hot spur we''ll have to agree to disagree....and don't confuse possession and advantage, two different things...
shedboy2
Hot_Spur, I'm sorry pal but I disagree with you on this one. Gomes saw a blatant foul, heard no whistle but when 80k people are shouting for a penalty I do forgive him for not hearing it. When he put the ball down and Nani nipped in to score there is the end of advantage so why did the referee not bring the play back to the foul? How long is an advantage period?
yiddyboy
Guernman, Lennon did shoot when in a position against QPR and it looked like he was looking for it. I think the coaching staff talked to him. He definitely passed up a couple of peaches of shooting chances to try to set up Bale against Lazio. Time will tell, but for me, he looks like he is gaining confidence. He is certainly creating more chances than any other player at the squad and when you consider how much we tend to favour the left, that's impressive. Imagine if there were just a striker to get on the end of all those chances? COYS
peterballb
Just for once I hope we go out there and show some spirit, whether we win or lose. Let's not cave in when they score, let's not cave in when the first bad decision goes against us and let's believe. Fergie probably has this as his easiest game of the season. Lets for once prove him wrong!
jonathan01
ro6ertj, my trip was amazing and both games at WHL were awesome. Of course the results could have been better but having watched the games on TV since a young lad and finally being able to get there, it was something I will never forget. ItalianYiddo was super kind and the seats were fabulous. When my sons are a little older, I hope to take them there to see a game. The best thing in all of it is that my wife and I got to meet ItalianYiddo and his family and this was all because of VitalSpurs. So thank you Ox for doing such a great job and thanks to all of the posters who contribute. Whether we see things the same way or not, we are all fans of the greatest team the world has ever seen. COYS
peterballb
Peterbalb. Great news, pleased you enjoyed it and a big thankyou to Italianyiddo for helping you out.. take care COYS
ro6ertj
Without Vidic, anything can happen
ForeverUnited
"It was good refereeing"? You sure Hotspur? As a rule of thumb, if no-one in the entire ground except the ref and Nani know (not even he entirely knew) what's going on then it's NOT a good decision. Even our defenders thought the ball was out of play at the time, yes it was an error, but to put the blame all on him is harsh. How dare Gomes play to the whistle, when a whistle was heard.
Crissybwoy
yiddyboy, you also can't play advantage after the opposition player has clearly handled the ball. Intentional. Not incidental and for a fair period of time. While Gomes did not play what was called, he played exactly what he and everyone else saw. You could not have heard anything because the fans were screaming for a penalty shot. It is clear that whatever message the official was communicationg to Gomes was not received. COYS
peterballb
Going to the match with my friend a ManU season ticket holder. Any advice on how to behave when we score and especially when we win to avoid serious trauma to myself?
Big Ron
PeterB, I would play Defoe for this game, if he could manage to stay onside his pace and shoot on sight attributes may work for us. Big mistake to go and take the game to United, sit tight, don't give them time and space and hit them on the counter. Just like the way they play us at WHL. COYS
ItalianYiddo
Agreed Crissybwoy, the hallmark of good refereeing is that everyone in the ground knows what the call is and that you keep control of the game while being largely invisible. At no point did I believe there was an advantage to be played. How could one when a player on the ground has the ball in his hands. He had to hand the ball to Gomes (Didn't Gomes go over to take it out of his hands?). Where was the advantage? COYS
peterballb
The Gomes v Nani incident had nothing to do with it going out of play.The Man United player had the ball in his hands after falling on it ,both hands .

Don`t matter which way you dice it the ref should given the freekick to Gomes & also booked the Manure player for deliberate handball .
big cockeral
Big Ron just smash the biggest geeza near you in the face and everyone will be scared, just like in prison, remember....
T.H.F.Chris
Big c, I was referring to the ball being 'out of play' as in everyone in the ground (rightly) thought the game had stopped.
Crissybwoy
peterballb, agree about lennon who has thrived under the new regime. harry threw lennon under the bus with the madrid incident in one of the most disgraceful demonstrations of his own need to deflect blame and perpetuate the grand illusion. now lennon has a manager who is showing some faith, even handing him the armband which i though was great although it did have the unfortunate effect of making lennon even more team conscious then normal, always looking to pass instead of shooting. he is one of my favourite players and his tracking back is hugely under-appreciated
Guernman
Crissybwoy I read ya .Yeah & your right .A handball as deliberate as that should also get a card for the player .Why not ? that`s the rules & has happened before .But it was man Utd
big cockeral
Not only that big c, it was Clattenberg at Old Trafford, shades of Pedro Mendes spring to mind...
Crissybwoy
ItalianYiddo, Defoe would only start with me if we go 4-4-2. You cannot have Lennon, Walker, Naughton and Bale all whipping in crosses for no one. There is no way you beat United at Old Trafford if you don't bury your chances. Defoe will not, as an up top lone striker, be given any space to get the ball, let alone turn and fire without looking. I do not see anything coming from it if he is up top and I do not see a win if Friedel is in net with Walker and Gallas being our right side of the back 4. COYS
peterballb
The key to beating United is to make no mistakes and to not let them dictate possession. When lower teams beat them it is because they outwork them and really have no "style" that you can plan for. We have a style of play and if we do that with the same players, Fergie will have his team set up for it. They will have a whole game plan about shutting down Defoe, isolating him by making Dempsey play deeper and they will go straight at our weak right side. It's what I'd do. Get Lennon defending and Defoe isolated allows you to double up on Bale and close down the left leaving it all on the right side. Dempsey has already met two crosses and had a good goal wrongly disallowed against Lazio. That's more than Defoe has managed all year. COYS
peterballb
...well thank you for your contributions and comments one and all I'm of to Manchester ... I go in hope rather than expecation;but.... Audere est Facere ....."To Dare Is to Do" ... COME ON AVB GET THE LAST MONKEY OFF OUR BACK! THE YID ARMY EXPECTS EVERYMAN TO DO HIS DUTY....COYS!!!!
OyVeh Maria
Peter, 4-4-2 away at OT would be suicidal. What I had in mind with Defoe was balls played in front of him to run onto. I would play Dempsey behind him in a 4-4-1-1, to shore up the midfield/second striker. I agree Defoe will never be a one up striker but away from home I can see him scoring.
ItalianYiddo
ItalianYiddo & peterballb nare both right .
You can`t play 4-4-2 away to man Utd ,but you have to play play 4-4-2 with Defoe .Defoe is useless on his own uptop .May get the odd goal but contributes to nothing else ,which then puts extra pressure on the defence & midfielders .A forward who can hold the ball up & link up play is badly required .If berbatov was a possibility we missed a trick there .He scores & creates & at a cheap price ,no brainer for me .
big cockeral
It's hard not to see us getting thrashed on Saturday unless whatever lessons that needed to be learned from last week have been addressed. We were like clueless strangers in the first-half, unable to deal with a pressing game that I thought was supposed to be the hallmark of AVB's tactics, and marginally better in the second half. It took a "fu(k this" moment from Vertonghen to win the points and the sooner he is made captain the better. A win would definitely make AVB a legend, a draw would be impressive, a defeat with a good performance acceptable, but a defeat replicating last week very worrying. As usual, and in common with all Spurs supporters everywher, I live in hope.COYS.
Harry-Kari
I don't agree that 4-4-2 would be suicidal at Old Trafford. If you had Dembele and Sandro, in front of Caulker and Vertonghen, that's four beasts in the middle and perhaps as imposing a defensive middle as we have ever had. Add a world class keeper to the mix and you have a chance. What 4-4-2 allows is for us to maximize our speed and throw in lots for them to deal with. Dempsey and Defoe running near post and far with Bale and Naughton, Walker and Lennon running up and down the wings is scary. It is not what Fergie will be expecting or planning for. I don't care how good your midfield is, getting stuck in against Sandro and Dembele with caulker and Vertonghen behind would be a huge accomplishment and will take the wings out of their game which leaves them to us. Have some confidence in our players. We are faster than most teams and have the talent to be lethal. ManU will just sit back and stop us from doing what we want. We show them far too much respect. Fergie will expect us to play them as we did Lazio. We should step that up a notch. I would prefer my lineup but if we are to insist on Defoe, go all in. 4-4-2 and give him every opportunity to succeed. Up top alone in a 4-5-1, he will not see the ball. COYS
peterballb
Just wish we had a decent No 9 to keep them on the back foot.We never get anything at O.T.so lets forget and look forward to the next home game against Villa. A draw at O.T. would be a miracle and away win is just a dream...we have to play against an itimidated ref,dodgy decisions....whats the betting Van P. scores from the penalty spot probably in the 95th minute.
wentworth
Peter - It doesn't matter what Nani did or what "everybody in the stadium" saw. You don't play to "everybody in the stadium", you play to the ref's whistle. Gomes didn't, he should know better, he is at fault. The only man on the pitch that matters is the ref, you play to what HE decides, not what "everybody in the stadium" decides. Gomes made an ASSUMPTION, the WRONG assumption, he is at fault, get over it. How many goals have been scored because defenders stood still ASSUMING the attacker was offside? No whistle, no offside, same mistake, ASSUMPTION. Play to the whistle, nothing else. If you don't then you have no justification to complain of the consequences.
Hot_Spur
shedboy - possession IS the advantage given If a foul occurs and the team fouled upon retain possesion, the ref has the option of playing the "advantage rule". Clearly you don't understand the advantage rule. possession IS the advantage, what other advantage would you want?
Hot_Spur
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one Peter, I think Redknapp cost us too many points last season on insisting to stick to a rigid 442. Away at Arsenal springs to mind, go there and set up for a draw and with our talent there is always a good chance you will snatch the 3 points. A point against Arsenal would have meant we would be playing CL instead of EUFA. Ok, that's the Italian in me but sometimes you have to win ugly, United have been doing for years.
ItalianYiddo
Hot_Spur Noone is being biased towards Gomes ,Rugby ? basketball? but you are being very anti Gomes .Why ,well that`s your problem
big cockeral
Hot_Spur, so now you're saying deliberate handball is the same as assuming someone is offside? Sorry but again I disagree. In what world are we in if after a deliberate handball the game is supposed to just keep going. As peterballb rightly types, where or why was there an advantage in letting the game go on?
Crissybwoy
Hot_Spur, unfortunately there were too many factors which made a course of events as you suggest the only course of events that couldn't be the result. While in every sport you are told to play to the whistle, sometimes what you see affects what you do and thus makes what happened understandable given the sheer incompetence of the official using a decision completely incongruous with the rules of the game. What do I mean? Well if the ball gets kicked out of bounds hits the side advertising boards, is picked up by a player warming up and is rolled on to the pitch to his teammate who proceeds to run by all of the non-playing to the whistle players and puts it in the net for the ref to award the goal, one could excuse all of those at fault players for not playing to the whistle. Myself, the second Nani held on to the ball on the ground with two hands from which Gomes then had to wrestle the ball out of them and then to suggest that there was a Tottenham advantage played is completely incongruous with what happened and the rules of the game. You can try to make this a clown moment all you wish, and I agree. unfortunately the big shoes and red nose were worn by the official on this one.

Just like on YouTube, the focus is always on his perceived errors. So few of his great saves. Does anyone really have any idea how many great (not good, great) saves that Gomes made? There were highlight reel saves every match. Does anyone believe that Bassong and Dawson were world beaters or did Gomes' brilliance have something to do with CL? He got blamed for RM, but the fact that Crouch and Harry completely kneecapped us in the first leg, just got swept under the carpet. I always get a kick out of the posters who insist that one should blindly get behind the manager and the team or as was put yesterday, so eloquently, go support the gooners, but they will be the first ones to call Pav a donkey, or Gomes a clown, or BAE useless. It's hilarious. The donkey always scored at the same rate as Defoe, if not better, the clown had better numbers than Friedel every year and BAE is probably in the top 2 if not the best LB in the PL. I'll continue using my eyes and common sense. Gomes did that. The ref didn't. Shame. COYS
peterballb
I'm ASSUMING you don't know the rules lol.
Crissybwoy
yiddyboy - First of all, why would 80k people be screaming for a penalty when an opponent handles the ball in our penalty area?? Then you say you forgive Gomes for not hearing the whistle. He didn't hear it because it didn't blow !! Further, there is no such thing as an "advantage period", what the hell are you talking about? The advantage rule is played when the team that has been fouled retains possession. Spurs had possession - with Gomes. The ball is live, Gomes phucked up, put a live ball on the deck for an opponent to take advantage of. Same as if a goalkeeper spills a shot and an opponent nips in and scores, you consider that unfair? Gomes spilled a live ball, period.
Hot_Spur
Fair enough, ItalianYiddo. I believe the Arsenal game had more to do with us stopping attacking than anything else. When you play 4-4-2 you have to work for 90 minutes and when you are up by three you must keep possession. We gifted Arsenal possession and stopped working because we believed we were all that. You could rightly say that that game cost us 3rd. Everyone knew Arsenal weren't going to sit and lick their wounds. We let them back up and allowed them to exploit our weaknesses. We didn't play much 4-4-2 last season. Mostly we played 4-5-1 with VDV coming too deep. I have always believed that Ramos was building a 4-5-1 squad and Harry ripped that apart to go back 4-4-2 and then decided to play 4-5-1 to suit one player when the balance of the players were 4-4-2. Defoe, Pav, Crouch, Keane - not oneup top lone striker amongst them. Bent was. Ade is kind of, though he needs a high AMF to play in. Right players with the right game plan and 4-4-2 can work even at Old Trafford. It is certainly not what Fergie is planning for in training. COYS
peterballb
Hot_Spur, the fans and Nani were asking for a penalty because he took a dive. The foul was rightly called against him, but no action was taken for the deliberate hand ball which, in all cases results in a stoppage of play and free kick. There is no advantage that can be played when the keeper must go to the opposition player and wrestle the ball out of his hands. The second he grabbed the ball, the advantage was impossible because advantage requires possession and you can't have possession when the other player has the ball in his hands. Honestly, we all know you are supposed to play to the whistle. The situation made the call by the official impossible in keeping with the rules of the game. COYS
peterballb
FFS, it doesn't matter two phucks what "everybody in the ground" thinks, it's what the REFEREE thinks and does that matters. "Everybody in the ground" very often disagrees whith ref's decisions, does that mean the players should ignore the ref and continue according to "everybody in the ground"???? FFS stop making phucking excuses, Gomes was at fault, he didn't play to the whistle, period.
Hot_Spur
Crissybwoy just for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUNFiE_Ol1Y&feature=g-vrec
big cockeral
Hot_Spur, after some of the tone of that last post, the last word in your post is what I'd imagine you're on at the minute chief. :)
Crissybwoy
"I would play Defoe for this game, if he could manage to stay onside..."

___

you can't make this stuff up. Has Defoe ever managed to stay onside? lol.

Total knobhead
Nice one big c, props.
Crissybwoy
Hot_Spur The rules state a deliberate handball will warrant a yellow or red card
big cockeral
Hot_Spur, did he put the ball on the deck or was he placing it on the ground for a free kick. He knew nani was behind him. After all, that's who he took the ball from. He was waiting for Nani to go past him at which point he would have put the ball back in to play. Gomes rarely kicked balls in to play. He normally threw balls out to the feet of his players to set off the attack. He believed it was a free kick and acted accordingly. He had taken the ball from Nani's hand so how you can ascertain that we maintained possession in all of that, I know not. It was a typical officiating mess-up that benefitted Manchester United and gave them a goal they didn't deserve. Nani didn't even know what was happening. He twice looked at the ref before kicking the ball. COYS
peterballb
Crissybwoy if you like it 0LD SKOOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmp5aN-R-u4
big cockeral
MC Hooligan the legend ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7nFVfBeXvE&feature=relmfu
big cockeral
Ray Keith is an understated legend, don't hear much from him these days, the old days were always the best, always will be. I'm going away for the weekend, probs won't be able to catch the game but I hope we give a good account of ourselves. Keep it real people.
Crissybwoy
Peter, Well if Gomes had the ball in his hands, what's that if it isn't possession??? ffs BigC - It doesn't matter two hoots what the rules are, many ref's decisions don't apply the rules strictly. What matter is what decision the ref makes and Gomes, and every other player has to abide by that, what ever the rules say. You play to the whistle, regardless of what you "think" or anybody else "thinks", if you don't you only have yourself to blame for any consequences. That is FACT, I'm at a loss that people can't see that and trying to make all sorts of irrelevant excuses.
Hot_Spur
It's gonna be the same old story against manutd 2moro another defeat I even think we are gonna get s hiding I reckon about 5/0 as how defending has been poor so far this season
rockerty rock8
Hot_Spur, he did not have the ball in his hand when the offense happened. Nani did. Gomes had to go and wrest it from his hands. If you can't see how any, and I mean any, player wouldn't believe there was a dead ball situation, then we will never see eye to eye on this. Watch the next game and see how many times an official does not blow his whistle for a call. Obvious fouls rarely have a whistle blown. There is no need. It's obvious. Happens more often than you think. cOYS
peterballb
rockerty rock8 i disagree, for the vast majority of the games this season our defence has been solid, minus the odd moment of lack of concentration, i mean, its not as though we've been leaking huge amounts of goals is it? i personally think tomorrow will be close but united will win, still gonna go up and support THFC anyway! COYS
wiltshirespur
Amazing how the "supporters" almost seem to relish the thought of our defeat at OT. Are we become like the dogs in the experiment on learned helplessness by Martin Seligman? (Look it up if you don't know the reference.) Shall our players merely sit passively on the pitch and allow themselves to be thrashed? Assuming that football as we know it doesn't come to an end, there will be a time that Spurs defeat Man U many times in a row. Let that time begin this weekend.
Total knobhead
peter- Even if the ref doesn't blow, (although I don't think "no whistle" happens as often as you are making out), he will make a visual indication, pointing to the spot and the direction of the free kick. There is never nothing at all from the ref even in obvious cases, he has to make his decision clear no matter how "obvious" it may seem.
Hot_Spur

.........................Lloris.....................................
...Walker...Caulker.....Gallas.....Vertonghen.....
.................Sandro....Dembele......................
...Lennon.......Dempsey.................Bale........
........................Defoe................................
Yidmarks
Yidmarks - I like Defoe but against Man Utd we need (unless injured) to get Adebayor on the pitch. Defoe won't cause the Manure back line enough problems.
MrSpurs
How about a 4-4-2 formation? Or would we be overrun in midfield? Im thinking we take the game to them.
MrSpurs
i agree Mr Spurs... i am hoping Ade is fit, but Defoe is the man in form at the mo...
COYS make my fecking day...
Yidmarks
Hot_Spur,the official had already gone upfield for the anticipated kick. When officials play advantage they clearly gesticulate with both arms and it is clear as day, not clear as mud as was the case. How any player or fan could have known there was an advantage being played, I know not. Advantage is always obvious. Except when it benefits United? I'd love for that to go the other way and see if that official ever officiates again. It's like giving one player three yellows. COYS
peterballb
MrSpurs, I am of the opinion that if they can overrun Sandro, Dembele, Caulker and Vertonghent that they deserve the victory. I don't think that RVP will have a very easy time of it and he could well be starved of service. I would take the game to them, 4-4-2. What's the worst that could happen? If Friedel is in net with Gallas and Walker on the right, I do not believe as it matters what formation we select. They will attack this and punish us where QPR, WBA, Norwich and Reading did not. COYS
peterballb
Peter - usually we go 5 in midfield which is the sensible option but unless we have Adebayor upfront the ball will just keep coming back to us and the pressure will build. If Ade is not available then I agree 4-4-2 will hopefully push them back. The only problem is if we start with Dempsey and Defoe we won't have much of a plan B if we go behind.
MrSpurs
big up for the dnb links! :) good posts from peterballb again :D
logos8
I just heard AVB's interview where he was asked his views on Lloris's frustration - Frustration ? What Frustration ? How do you know ?."
Whether Lloris is really frustrated or not, I guess the journo who asked the question went red faced after the interview. AVB certainly not improving his media relation, it seems.
sydqcb5
Syd, I like AVB's media relations. There is no pandering to them. They treat him with no respect so why should he be overly gracious with them? A large segment want him to fail. So long as he can avoid making this a crusade and his decisions reflect what is best for the team, I have no issues. COYS
peterballb
sydqcb5


I hope Super Jan Saves the day for Spurs. I hope Super Jan defends us and Attack Full Back at the Red Nose Red Devils.
sydqcb5
is there anynews 4 Adebayor ???
sadaq
Sydqcb5 - you've got far too much time on your hands - but I like it.
MrSpurs
Mrspurs- Not my handy work. Got from other forums... Having said that, I am idle on saturday morning here in Brisbane. May be its time to head out.
sydqcb5
Great poster sydqcb5.....makes me feel confident for tomorrow!
mountainyid
Just been reading that article that was on here a while back, "The men in black", guess what, our ref today, Chris Foy is the most biased ref towards ManU in the league. Also, the 5th official, Clattenburg is also very biased pro ManU. They've also shown that biased refs do seriously influence the result of games. So we're not only playing ManU, we are away and we have to overcome a biased ref as well. Not much hope of winning unless we are really outstanding.
Hot_Spur
AVB confirmed that Lloris will be on the bench, so normal service resumes for Friedal
spurring you on
"Not much hope of winning unless we are really outstanding."

...

Then let's have the lads be really outstanding.

Total knobhead
Good to see the sun doing their bi-annual negative Spurs story out of nothing on the day we play man utd.

Amazing what adding "allegedly" to a story with no quotes in can let you get away with.

What has this piece of $hit paper got against us?
Tottenham Hotcore
Syd.. good effort on the poster.... IMO...We need to play utd at their own ground with our 4231 shape, and change this at half time..to say.. 442 or 433 or both of 20 and 30 mins playing time (usual extra time utd. get up there to save a game) ..so fergie is caught out in planning for a second half.. get in their faces, and fast counterattacks..Bale / Lennon / Demsey / Defoe. In defense, Brad,/ Lloris, walker caulker vert naughton.. sandro Dembele. Subs. must be like for like, as sitting / trying to Park the bus will be a last 4 mins goal or 2 for Utd. We can match Utd, and nick a win.. COYS...COYS..
Block D Spurs
Hope Ade plays a part today. Can`t see Gylfi starting after his shambles vs QPR. Loving the Jan poster! Good work.
HotShotTottenham
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4562739/Andre-Villas-Boas-slammed-by-tired-Tottenham-stars.html The scum is a disgrace
Yidd Fein
Guess it all depends which Spurs turns up today, play as we did against Lazio and who knows, play like we did against QPR and I think we all know what the outcome will be.
As for Foy, well he owes us big time after his disgraceful performance against Stoke last season, which was one of the many reasons why we're watching the Europa league instead of the champions league. Surprised that Levy didn't try and sue him for loss of earnings, surely it can't be long before the referees association are held to account for their staffs incompitence. They are after all supposed to be a professional organisation.
Given our injury situation I'd go for a 3-5-2 today.
.......................Friedel...................
...Dawson........Caulker.......Vertonghen...
................Sandro....................
...Lennon.........Huddlestone............Bale....
......................Dembele................
.........Dempsey.........Defoe.............
What have we got to lose that we don't usually lose at OT? Vertonghen was MotM at OT with Ajax last season, even though he finished up on the losing side and he's far too important to be wasted in the LB position. Playing with a 3 at the back may suit Lloris better than it does Friedel but the shirt is Friedels to lose, which he will soon enough anyway so let's stick with him for now. I realise we won't go with a 3 at the back but I'd still like to see us try it, granted, maybe Utd away isn't the place for experiments but if the QPR Spurs turn up we're in for a hiding anyway. A nothing to lose game for AVB really, so why not surprise them with something different?
thfc1882whl
Yidd Fein..... I gave up reading the tabloid sports pages years ago mate, they just make it up as they go along. Add the word allegedley to a story and they can get away with all sorts of libel. The sun is just TalkSport on toilet paper, f you want a real laugh give SPORTSMAIL REPORTER a try at the Daily Fail he's even more of a liar, haven't even got the nerve to put a name to their drivel.
thfc1882whl
Yidd Fein posted the link - the shi7 from the ''current bun'' headline isposted, this is from the net; ''Andre Villas-Boas is already under pressure at Tottenham after the squad reportedly held showdown talks with their Portuguese boss'' The Spurs players are unhappy with Villas-Boas' training and tactics, according to The Sun. The manager has scrapped his gruelling double sessions after complaints his players were left too tired for their Premier League matches. Shi7 paper, shi7 story, that paper is ok if you want a tattoo of a page 3 bird on your arse, after wiping it, that's all it's good for.
spu 4 life
Strange really, because any players who have spoke about the training and tactics, have welcomed it. Any way we will get all three points today and Dembele will be outstanding running the midfield, goals from Defoe, Bale and Lennon.
spu 4 life
"granted, maybe Utd away isn't the place for experiments" agreed thfc1882whl lol

Everyone may expect us to lose, but that doesnt mean we will, or that the players will walk out onto the pitch with that mindset (I hope they don't). I don't think Man Utd are THAT great, but they beat most teams before the players walk onto the pitch. If we can overcome that psychological hurdle, the game "should" be more even than most think it will be. I feel making drastic changes to our system and discarding everything we've worked on to this point, is almost conceding the game.
Guyver
All the players need to do is overcome the crowd, atmosphere, history, aura, Manure players and the inevitable dubious decisions by Mr Foy and we'll be fine........... All AVB has to do is not make any major tactical blunders to give the players the best chance of winning. For once, unlike in previous years, nobody can say we have a soft centre with Dembele and Sandro in the middle.
Guyver
I am so annoyed at Sun article. Seriously - No Quotes, pure allegation coming on same day Bale gives interview to Guardian and says - ''If we feel we are working too hard in training,if we say that to him,then he'll ease it off'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/sep/28/gareth-bale-tottenham-hotspur-future
sydqcb5
''If we feel we are working too hard in training,if we say that to him,then he'll ease it off' Thats probably the quote the sun have intentionally taken out of context, to write up their piece of s***, but its the Sun, you have to expect these things. Its up to AVB to win a few games and force a change to the narrative that he's a clueless, divisive character.
Guyver
I bet this should be that Sun Journalist. Seriously if this the guy, he needs help. What a annoying irritating person he should be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaPtbLXj-ZA&feature=plcp
sydqcb5
"Spurs In Turmoil" - AVB has apparently upset the players with his intense training methods, upset the players with negative tactics, upset development director Tim Sherwood for freezing him out, upset certain back room staff for axing Ian Broomfield our head coach - AVB doing well isn't he! Lol................ P.S. I don't believe these reports but there's no smoke without fire so I am a little concerned!
MrSpurs
Well Dembele ran ManU ragged at OT for Fulham at start of season, Fulham were very unlucky to lose that game by the odd goal. Lets hope he can do it again today. He really made then look like schoolboys.
Hot_Spur
This media report comes 24 hours after AVB reacted to a journalist in a press conference about player feelings within the squad. This is not meant to be a critisim of AVB but maybe by reacting he has given the vultures in the media something to feed on.
MrSpurs
MrSpurs - On the contrary mate, he didn't give the journo anything, in fact he made the journo look an idiot. This is a revenge article based on nothing.
Hot_Spur
Good point MrSpurs, the media can be vindictive, this could be a backlash to how he has responded to questions in the past.
Guyver
The media have the power to shape public perception, probably not a good idea to make too many enemies..
Guyver
HotSpur / Guyner - IMO the journo being made to look an idiot and this latest anti AVB article are connected.
MrSpurs
it's the same journalist! the one who pressed about lloris at the pre-match conference is the same one who wrote that article for the sun. AVB did well in responding to him, made him look a fool, and he's responded with a ridiculous "article" very petty
spurring you on
MrSpurs - Yes precisely, that's what I meant "revenge" article
Hot_Spur
What it needs is for all the players, Lloris included, to collar one of the more reputable media outlets, (BBC perhaps), and make it clear that there are no problems behind the scenes and everybody is happy.
Hot_Spur
We don't turn up at all. They beat us. We play well, don't do enough. They beat us. We play well, they still beat us. We play well, they get a controversial decision go their way. They beat us. We take the lead. They still beat us. We run out onto their pitch. Someone in Lilywhite does something stupendously silly. They beat us. There's a referee on the pitch? They beat us. Did someone say Foy + fourth official Clattenburg? They beat us.
01tottenham
Guyver... True about the media shaping public opinion mate, but Fergie blanked the BBC for ages (not sure if he still is) and it hasn't done him too much harm. The more sccessful AVB is, the more foolish the media will look if they keep on writing drivel. Let's not forget that Jiggins was made to look small and foolish at Fridays press conference, his response was to write an article based entirely on his embarrasment and supposition. If the results on the pitch are positive then the media will only make themselves look silly if they persist with their anti AVB agenda.
thfc1882whl
AVB + Chris Foy + Chelsea + QPR = £12.000 FINE.. for his comments made about todays ref; who does our game at old (southern venue for it's supporters) trafford, hhmmm, watch this space
spu 4 life
Chelsea are really taking the game to the gooners.
Fanman
anyone who reads the sun and considers its content to be of any value is intellectually stunted -- to that end, journalists who write for such publications are on an equal plain that vibrates between ignorance and stupidity (but with spell check)
Cape Town Spurs
Thfc - Fergie could afford to blank the BBC due to his power which comes from being one of the most successful football managers of all time. AVB is nowhere near that level yet so IMO he needs to do the opposite and be more 'friendly' with the media to help himself.
MrSpurs
Cape Town - agreed the Sun is comic book - more worryingly was a part of a quote directly from Siggy in the Telegraph saying that 'most' of the players were happy with the new training regime. (let's hope "most" includes the players that matter).
MrSpurs
Sky Sports is just as bad. Just inadvertently got the end of the idiot panel previewing todays game. Absolute drivel, particularly Merson. Anybody would think we'd had a bad start, mmmm undefeated in 6 since the opening day of the season. We (players, manager, club and fans) should be turning this all into a positive and getting an "us against them" mentality.
StillRickyVilla
No smoke without fire as they say, but how much smoke and how much fire! With you Mr Spurs, lets hope it's the players that matter.
Cape Town Spurs
MrSpurs, yes, i noticed the**** Jeff Stelling isolate the word 'most' and try to stir things up against AVB. FFS mate, can't you see what they are doing?
StillRickyVilla
"No smoke without fire" - i give up lads. You carry on.
StillRickyVilla
thfc1882whl, you mention the key difference between Fergie and AVB, and thats their standing in the game. Fergie demands so much respect and has been so successful, that it leaves little room for media BS. No media outlet or journalist would be taken seriously, if they made crap up about a manager who has won so much and continues to win. AVB isnt on that level yet, so the media have alot more "scope of interpretation" to work with and can say almost anything about him, while still making it believable and maintaining credibility.
Guyver
Chelsea look good today. You can't help but think they'll bring another striker in, in January.
Fanman
Arsenal equalise...
Fanman
At the end of the day, the Sun is 1 of the best selling newspapers in the world, it is influential whether we like it or not.
Guyver
Looked a bit like poor defending from Chelsea. Gervinho stepped back into 3 yards of space just outside the 6 yard box, and banged it in. I hope that Arsenal lose this one, but Chelsea are collapsing.
Fanman
Not looking forward to our game against United. I hope we can at least get a point.
Fanman
Law of averages are on our side today, though they've been on our side for years and havent helped much..
Guyver
Arsenal are the media darlings at the moment. They are being talked about as title contenders again. I don't think they're that good.
Fanman
Arsenal now dominating...
Fanman
Chelsea score against the run of play. I reckon Arsenal will score though.
Fanman
Where is everyone? Does the United game has everyone too depressed to post?
Fanman
And, Chelsea are parking the bus... If my commentating is annoying just holla at me. :-D
Fanman
no smoke without fire? but we don't know if there is a real fire or some git at a tabloid trying to be a pyromaniac.
Total knobhead
Super dive from Jenkinson!
Fanman
ramsey is absolutely terrible. they will not win as long as he is playing
spurring you on
do i want a draw or an arsenal loss...
Guernman
I like Yidmarks line-up, that looks about right. I'd love to go 4-3-3, but I think in this case, despite AVB saying he's going to attack, we're better off retaining as much possession in midfield as possible.
tengboon
Arsenal have lost. Losing to united will feel a bit better now.
Fanman
Fanman, that's exactly what I was thinking
In-spurs-ational
SPURS PLEASE WIN.. from a happy chelsea fan :)
josevis
Guernman, must about I would have preferred a draw. However definitely prefer a Chelsea win over an arsenal one
In-spurs-ational
Must "admit"
In-spurs-ational
Manchester United have just been awarded a second half penalty .
Replay shows it was a poor decision
big cockeral
In-spurs-ational, cool. :-)
Fanman
josevis, congrats on your win. Unfortunately, there's very little chance we will get something at United.
Fanman
Are there any Spurs fans out there who are honestly not expecting us to get beat today? The best I can hope for is a draw
In-spurs-ational
In-spurs-ational, apparantly 28 percent of yids who use this site voted for a Spurs win! Haven't seen any of them posting though.
Fanman
So, which game are we all watching next? I'm interested in Reading Newcastle, but if Fulham somehow go ahead against Man City, I'll switch to that
tengboon
If Friedel starts, we lose, I hate to say it. If Lloris starts, I just think there will be this extra energy about us that may give us a shot. Anyway it'll make a great story. We really have nothing to lose, given the track record, might as well pull out some surprises and just go for it
tengboon
tengboon, how about we start with both Brad and Lloris. That way both teams can play with 12 men, there's wearing black, ours green
In-spurs-ational
Just watched the "Lloris is frustrated video" I think that AVB should have said, he has to be patient, and he will get his chance. The way the reporter wouldn't drop it is silly though.
Fanman
tengboon, I'm leaning towards Norwich vs Liverpool, but the Fulham vs City game is a big draw lol.
Fanman
Instead of wondering about the goal keeper, how about really going for it with both Defoe and Ade up top. We may get hammered, however I doubt united are used to teams really going at them at home. It might not work, but what do we really have to lose
In-spurs-ational
tengboon - I would say starting with Defoe upfront in a 4-5-1 is more of any issue. If we do start with that we will be hammered.
MrSpurs
got my 12 FINGERS CROSSED.......not allowed 10 at ot
rovinella62spurs
Liverpool with a superfast goal from toothy.
Fanman
fulham1-o city
rovinella62spurs
In-spurs-ational, Ade is injured unfortunately. I reckon that Defoe will start up top on his own with Dempsey in support. It may work more as a 4-4-2. To be fair, Defoe should be up against Evans and not Vidic. He may get more change out of Evans?
Fanman
Bad news on Ade. Never mind. Like your thinking Fanman. That has to be the way to go. Surely we are overdue a bit of luck at old Trafford.
In-spurs-ational
In-spurs-ational, hopefully mate.
Fanman
great read spu 4 life
ledders77
Everton are flying, Liverpool taking apart Norwich.
Fanman
City are battering Fulham, surely just a matterof time before they equalize?
Fanman
City have been excellent well deserve the equalizer.
Fanman
We needed Ade in this game more than any other. Defoe upfront on his own in a 4-5-1 wont work - sorry for the negativity but Man Utd will have our strike force in their back pocket meaning that their own full backs can attack pushing both Bale and Lennon into more defensive positions. The alternative is to play 4-4-2 but that gives lots of space to Rooney who will no doubt drop deep and play in an almost midfield role. Daniel Levy will see today the results of failing to sign a top class striker.
MrSpurs
The negativity from "supporters" is really distressing. Man U defense looks vulnerable. We're with a new manager and many new players, none of whom are responsible for the past years failures. Honestly, it's depressing to read the negativity here. COYS. COYSS. Come On You Spurs. Come On You Spurs Supporters. No more negative vibes before anything negative happens. Are you suffering from being with a women who constantly predicts that you'll be flaccid tonight? If so, don't listen to her. Just get on with it. Ram home a goal or two.
Total knobhead
Don`t read it then
big cockeral
I really do hope Spurs win for AVB's sake and for other reasons as well :) I have always admired AVB despite being a Chelsea fan and i hope he succeeds though not at the expense of my club. :)
Samkyei 1905
If we are playing Defoe i would opt for Dempsey instead of Siggy with Lennon and Bale supporting on the wings.

Then have Sandro and Dembele in the middle and back line Walker, Caulker Gallas and Vertegon at LB and Lloris in goal.
thfan
MrSpurs, agreed. But Defoe may have a chance against Rio and Evans. He will have Dempsey in support, who is experienced.
Fanman
The problem, big c, is that one doesn't know what is negative drivel until one has read it. As a practical matter, your solution cannot work. Unless, of course, a policy is instituted here that all negative comments are required an opening warning, and that's not feasible. By the way, someone using your username shouldn't be defending those who are proclaiming an expectation that our lads will be flaccid. Or is it a big droopy cock? Hopefully not.
Total knobhead
Total knobhead, I understand where you're coming from, but lets be honest, United are going to get the three points. IMO. the best we can hope for is a good performance. Sorry for the negativity, but that's just how I see it.
Fanman
thfan, agreed. Dempsey should definately start this one over Sigurdsson. I think its likely we'll line-up: Friedel, Walker, Caulker, Gallas, Verts; Sandro, Dembele; Lennon, Dempsey, Bale; Defoe (not too shabby). With Dempsey in there I would worry less about Defoe being isolated. Sigurdsson's pace makes him a good impact sub IMO.
Fanman
City are looking real good against Fulham. Liverpool putting Norwich to the sword. Why couldn't we do that?
Fanman
I will root for you guys today. Come On You Spurs. In AVB I Trust LOL
Rip The Reds Apart
Classic, glass half full vs glass half empty views. Does not matter as they are just opinions on the board. Pull together fellow yids. COYS
Arky
@Fanman, I hope you don't express such feelings to your lover before going to bed with her. One could only predict a sad experience for you both afterwards. (My apologies if you are LBGT, but you can still catch my drift, and predictions of failure aren't good in those relations either.) And let's be honest, United might not get three points tomorrow. I see no reason that we can't nick a point there. It's about bloody time, and why bloody not? We're good enough to do so, and they have sufficient weaknesses. Now let's stop all this moping. It's embarrassing. Don't encourage bad outcomes.
Total knobhead
I say play 4-4-2 and go for it. Might just as well lose 5-0 trying to win as lose 1-0 trying to hold on.
Hot_Spur
Total knobhead, I'll tell you the same thing I tell my missus. I'll try my best but I can't promise anything lol. What does LBGT mean?
Fanman
Demba Ba - apparently just scored a wonder goal - January transfer target for us perhaps?
MrSpurs
You see, all this negativity has me discombobulated. Today, not tomorrow. Ye gads. Now let's start hearing about why we should nick at least one point today, if not all three. No Vidic. Weak defense at Man U. We've not lost since opening match this season. COME ON YOU SPURS. DARE. DO. NO MORE NEGATIVITY BEFORE WE PLAY. And I'll stop using to Caps key if left unprovoked by a tsunami of negativity. Come on Spurs Supporters. Support. Represent. Respect our colours and our badge with pride and a drop or two of optimism. No more expectations of impotency. Stiff upper, and all that, lads.
Total knobhead
I'm usually more optimistic, but Old Trafford away is just a no hoper. They always score goals at home.
Fanman
MrSpurs, Demba Ba, yes please. Newcastle will ask for too much though. They got 35 million for Andy Carroll for goodness sake.
Fanman
LGBT: Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transexual. lol. Whatever style of supporter you are, let's march forward rooting for an aroused performance. No droopy expectations. Don't support from a position of learned helplessness and flaccidity. Either that, or bring a big rubber to WHL and erase that sign saying To Dare Is To Do. Negative expectations presage To Don't. This isn't part of our club's heritage.
Total knobhead
Ba - 7 million only
what_sux
Some of those with this persistent negativity should be leading a sing along about when the aints go marching in, rather than when the spurs go marching in. Oh when the aints go marching in I can't have no expectations of satisfaction. I want to be in their number, when the aints go marching in. we aint got no chance to win, boo hoo. Change the tune lad, back to the traditional one. to dare is to do, remember? to mope in malaise is to droop instead of to perform.
Total knobhead
Total knobhead, Hahaha, fair enough mate. what_sux, Ba was an absolute bargain. He's carrying Newcastle at the moment. We need to sign him, before Fergie does!
Fanman
Man Utd: Lindegaard, Rafael, Evra, Ferdinand, Evans, Scholes, Nani, Giggs, Carrick, Kagawa, RvP.

Tottenham: Friedel, Vertonghen, Gallas, Caulker, Walker, Dempsey, Lennon, Bale, Sandro, Defoe, Dembele.
what_sux
Our starting team today is: Friedel, Walker, Gallas, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Dempsey, Lennon, Bale and Defoe. The side that most would of predicted.
Fanman
As predicted except for GK I think this is as good as it gets for first team at moment.
thfan
Rooney on the bench. I think we'll be more of a 4-4-2. I think that AVB has picked the best team available, lets hope that the players perform well enough. If they do, then we have a chance to get something.
Fanman
Hopefully Lloris starts our next game.
Fanman
Fulham 1 - 2 City.
Fanman
COYMFSS. Come on you melancholy flaccid Spurs supporters! No more floppy appendages. Enter the match with a fully aroused body of support. Get up, stand up, stand up for your team! Don't give up the fight! Stick it to 'em.
Total knobhead
Giggs 38, Scholes 37, I think its amazing that both are still effective in premiership at their age, but they can't go on forever.........
Guyver
what_sux asks, Can we defeat against a 12 man United against ALL ODDS?? WTFN? Why the f not? The time to turn the corner? Now.
Total knobhead
Noriwch 2 - 5 Liverpool. We need to tonk Norwich at their place.
Fanman
I would be capable of mustering a semblance of optimism if it were not for the fact that foy and clattenburg are united's 12th and 13th men... still, hopefully jan the man and bale can continue their fanastic partnership, dembele gives old trafford another sterling display and defoe actually passes the ball on occasion.
Guernman
Overcome Foy and Clattenburg. If they cheat us of a goal, score two more. If they give an undeserved goal to Man effing U, score two more for us. Rafael doesn't scare me. Nani is bloody inconsistent, Scoles, Giggs almost as old as our GK, for god's sake, Kagawa not looking like much since coming to Man U. These guys can be had. Let's have them. I hope the traveling suporters have a bit more enthusiasm for our club than the lot who've stayed behind on this site. Man U can be had. Hope we see AVB at his tactical best. This Man U club an be had.
Total knobhead
a win would put us fourth? nice...
Guernman
This is the best team we could have come up with for the day. All I can ask our players is to perform to their best and we hope for the rest. COYS!!!
sydqcb5
17 minutes to get some enthusiasm going. let's see some enthusiasm expressed in these 17 minutes.
Total knobhead
Defoe starting will never be as good as it gets .I prefer him as a sub
big cockeral
Who comes on if it isnt working with Defoe?
MrSpurs
9 minutes to go and we really are still in the pits here for expressions of enthusiasm. COYSS. enthuse. now.
Total knobhead
The refs don"t bother me. Friedel bothers me.
tengboon
I'd really like Ade to start this one, he really suits the 4-3-3. Defoe on the other hand forces us to play a 4-4-2. Ade to start and Defoe to come on as a sub at 65.
spuradic
6 minutes and still an embarrassingly morose group of spurs supporters on VS. I feel like a lone voice of support in a sea of melancholy. melancholy is blue, and we're lilly white here. searingly hot, white hot. no space here for the cold blue of the blues.
Total knobhead
MrSpurs, blame Levy for not buying a striker in the window, apart from Ade.
Fanman
Can we finally erase the memory of Gary Lineker in 1989 ?
big cockeral
3 minutes. still time to send some positive vibes. Do so now, please.
Total knobhead
this team should be able to put up a fight
rovinella62spurs
Here we go baby, here we go! Looking for a win here. COYS!
jvd
thanks and praises to jvd and rovinella62spurs. our team can put up a fight and it can grab a point or three.
Total knobhead
Oh my God
In-spurs-ational
no one thinking we can nick some points now?
Total knobhead
verrrtttsss....what a player
rovinella62spurs
COYS, more runs at RIO
Arky
told you those guys are vulnerable.
Total knobhead
wow, great start
Guyver
Goal to verts, but its only 1-0
Fanman
Man suffering from Vertigo now. Spurs Vertigo is dizzying.
Total knobhead
SUPER JAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wulfspurs
GoooooooooAAAAAAAAAAAAlllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SuperJan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phil-Spurs
GoooooooooAAAAAAAAAAAAlllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SuoerJan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phil-Spurs
COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!
MrSpurs
ffs. VS can't even enthuse when we score?
Total knobhead
do not let them come at us, run at them,...COYS
Arky
what a shock. defoe offside.
Total knobhead
Jan the man, the Vertigo maker.
Total knobhead
anyone got a good sopcast link PLEASE?
Guernman
we are super tottenham from the lane!!!
Arky
We got to hit the second fast before they settle down. COYS
kosovo_spurs
run at them, run at them, COYS
Arky
We're 1-0 up and all I can of is "we've scored too early" haha
MrSpurs
MrSpurs. Me too. We need a second and third and fourth and fifth without reply. Then I might feel three points are on the way
In-spurs-ational
steady lads, don't give it to RVP in the box. steady. fique frio.
Total knobhead
Great tackle by Gallas there :)
Guyver
Biased commentary. Gallas got the whole ball no question!
jvd
Here we go baby, here we go! Looking for a win here. COYS!
jvd
fanman you cant start at 3-0
rovinella62spurs
Guyver, wasn't that great. Rvp hasn't come off
In-spurs-ational
persie done ?
Arky
Man yew clearly pea yew when we take the ball right at them. Go for the jugular, lads. dare and do in the spurs way.
Total knobhead
yet
Guyver
OOOh that`s a penalty
big cockeral
it was a good tackle by gallas.
Total knobhead
Hopefully we get our 2d goal before the end of 1st half......COYS!!!!!!! Make us proud boys!!!!!!
Phil-Spurs
we are playing better than they are...hope we keep it up
rovinella62spurs
how was that not card ?
Arky
So great to see almost all set pieces finding our players. shows what a little practise can do
Guernman
ANY good LINKS ???? Plsssss
sydqcb5
That was not a free kick!
Durbanspur
The ref is ihing to give utd something
philbill
http://www.vipboxsports.eu/watch/71451/1/manchester-united-vs-tottenham-hotspur-live-stream-online.html
big cockeral
GO SPURS!!! from a chelsea fan :D
josevis
dembele/sandro can dominate the midfield do such agree that there really is life after modric :)
Guernman
brilliant
Arky
2-0
Durbanspur
And it's Baaaaaaaalllllllleeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2-0 Spurs!!!!!!!!!
Phil-Spurs
baaaalllee....2-0 to the spurs...coymfs
rovinella62spurs
Oh ye doomsayers who said we cannot get any points today. I guess we must be down by two goals now. LOL. Glory Glory Hallelulha.
Total knobhead
BALE YOU BEAUTY
big cockeral
Breaking news. Bale has a right foot!
In-spurs-ational
Surely the ninety minutes are up now
In-spurs-ational
brilliant counter...ripped 'em to pieces....COYS!the crowd are singing AVB'S blue and white army
g. roberts testes
Perfect performance so far
Guyver
We are the mighty Spurs today. Huzzah. Hurray. All glory for the true supporters who support.
Total knobhead
Solved
what_sux
Go Spurs!! CFC fan :)
Samkyei 1905
Meh, 2-0. You can never count out United. Defoe has played well today.
Fanman
Our counter attacks are phenomenal
Guyver
Rovinella62spurs, looks like the both of us have atended the same school awhen it comes to spelling Bale's name!!! LOL!!! Good work by the boys so far!!!!!!! One more before the end of the half for us Liliywhites???? Too much to ask for????
Phil-Spurs
Be careful guys! Don't forget you were two nil up four years ago too! It finished 5-2 if my memory serves me well. Anyway, continue like this please. This is a day where London should be united. WIN THIS ONE FOR US FOR FECKS SAKE. Oh Andre :^) Special agent Andre doing terrific.
FrLamp
Sandro is breaking up ManU's midfield play very well today!!! COYS!!!!!!
Phil-Spurs
Let's get the flow going in the other direction, lads.
Total knobhead
Careful Vert, this is Old Trafford!
Guyver
beware of rooney cleverley and hernandez. this will either end 3-2 or 3-0. It's up to us to get the job done. COYS!
logos8
i hope they dont star sitting back now, plzzzzzz dnt ill cry
Nate LuvsSpurs
I think thaty both teams are playing well, we are good on the counter. Lets see if we can keep the performance up in the second half. I hope that Dawson doesn't have to come on.
Fanman
Best away performance i`ve seen in a very long time .
big cockeral
We've been here before. We need to keep a clean sheet today toensurevictory. I will be all nerves in 2nd half unless we score early! COYS!
jvd
Now let's see AVB prepare for the anticipated tactical changes of SAF. But: how many now think we cannot come away with any points today? If we don't then it's malpractice by our team. COYS. another half like the 1st one. And as to the Spurs supporters: and end to the negativity today. We have a team that can win anywhere if they play right. And right they are playing for the first 45 minutes today. Support. Respect. Represent with pride.
Total knobhead
wow, and a penalty decision went against them :) first 20 minutes of second half will be decisive. they have a hell of a lot of fire power on the bench, can't see us keeping a clean sheet, on the other hand our counters are very effective and they need to push forward. sandro and dembele have been immense. hopefully gallas's leg is fine
Guernman
We need to create chances in possession, not just on the counter. Excuse my pessimism, but you just can count out United.
Fanman
Very worried about friedel not controlling the box .In our penalty area we panic way too much .Need a stronger keeper in there
big cockeral
eschew negativity on VS. embrace the love of our team. get up for it. arouse. no more flaccid support.
Total knobhead
Scholes has been their best player. He's keeping them in the game IMO.
Fanman
Remember Webb, he gave the softest penalty ever to Utd wen we were 2-0 up here last time. Hope there is no repeat. You just know something is going to happen though....
philbill
win or lose this match its time to give avb a break....what with all the injuries....our play is brilliant...he promised to attack and is doing that...watch all the manu diving...bet one gets foy
rovinella62spurs
So how are we feeling??? Bloody nervous this end guys, you just know Manure can't play that bad in the second half, but we can still catch out them on the break...Hold back on the high five's, 45 mins + to suffer, enjoy, heartbreak. which one?
spu 4 life
well expressed, Fanman: You just can count out United. lol.
Total knobhead
if they score we need to react well. we fell apart mentally last time we threw away a two goal lead here. but with caulker, vertonghen, sandro and dembele we have a much harder centre
Guernman
Moment of truth now, can we keep it up, or will it be the usual capitulation. We've had no problem winning 1st halves against Man Utd in the past, its the 2nd half that we've struggled with. Vert, Sandro, Dembele and Defoe playing really well so far.
Guyver
Fanman are you taking the pi$$ ? Scholes & Giggs are nowhere near the players they were .Both poor today
big cockeral
Couldn't ask for better than that 1st half. Well done AVB and the lads. Hopefully no silly subs. in the 2nd half and a couple more goals for us. Utd. will bring on Rooney, Chicaroto and Welbeck at some stage which should give us chances for counters. However, we have been here before but at least Foy is giving us the benefit at the moment. Hopefully no 60-yard away penalty decisions to come.
Harry-Kari
so far so good...more of the same...gallas is a worry but dawson should be able to cover.first 15-20 mins of second half very important.
g. roberts testes
If Gallas comes off, there's only one def on the bench. Unless we pull Bale back and put Townsend on. Lets hope gallas continues. Nothing agaisnst Daws but it would be a difficult one for him given his lack of 1st team practice.
jacobslad
The problem for United if they go all out attack, is that we can catch them on the counter. I think that Fergie is going to go for the jugular though. Hopefully we can hang on. We don't look convincing in possession at the moment.
Fanman
Whatever happens in second half, I am proud of the performance. First 15 min of the half is key. COYMFS.
sydqcb5
Scholes and Giggs have been made to look their age so far.
Guyver
big cockeral, Scholes is their quarter-back, he's spraying the ball to United players all over the park. Without him United will lose alot of their guile.
Fanman
We need to keep up the pressure and maintain the tempo. This will be a very emotional win for all of us if we can continue what we did in the first half. Please Spurs, don't make this a game of 2 halves.
spuradic
...and passing range and ability.
Fanman
Hope our counters don't dry up, if they do, its backs against the wall and nothing for Man Utd to worry about the other way.
Guyver
Sandro MOTM so far,What a player
spurfect one
sydqcb5 - oh boy oh boy, the longer it stays 2=0 the better, 45mins+ would be great.
spu 4 life
scholes even made a few well timed tackles, i guess you can teach old dogs new tricks
Guernman
If they dont score in the first 15 mins of the 2nd half our players will start to believe.... They will really go for it. I bet Fergie has given them a right rollicking
philbill
Chelsea fan in peace. Those who say that Rio Ferdinand is the natural Terry replacement (there are even some who said that it should have been Rio going to Euro 2012 and not Terry) deserve a good slap in the face. Lescott and Cahill are the way forward. Rio has been utter shoite so far and Bale and Vertonghen (credit where it's due, these were fantastic runs) made him look like a chump. Well deserved lead for you, DON'T FARKING BLOW THIS ONE AWAY LIKE YOU USUALLY DO!
FrLamp
wow, no team has won in manchester in 2012 lol, tempting fate?
spurfect one
Friedel's near post ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
what_sux
Now we discover what our team is made of.
Total knobhead
is it gonna be a tale of 2 halves...too much space there
rovinella62spurs
DEMPSEY!!!
Guyver
Dempsey!!
what_sux
Welcome to Spurs, Demsey. Welcome.
Total knobhead
dempseeeeyyyyy....3-1 to the spurs
rovinella62spurs
jesus. this is insane. goal a minute?
Total knobhead
Friedel is **** - how does he not save that. He must be dropped. Thank F for the 3rd
Cape Town Spurs
Ridiculous
Guyver
2 MISTAKES FROM FRIEDEL!
what_sux
Dempsey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Goal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phil-Spurs
Friedel is an imbecile -- if Llors was in goal we would still be 3 -1
Cape Town Spurs
too much space again
rovinella62spurs
FRIEDEL IS PHUCKING $HIT
big cockeral
terrible by walker. terrible.
Total knobhead
Friedel dive before Kagawa shoot?? Friedel is costing us big time!
what_sux
Who was supposed to get that? Walker or Friedel!!!! AAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH!!!! COYS!!!
Phil-Spurs
in case I didn't make my point: terrible by walker
Total knobhead
FRIEDEL IS A LIABILITY - END OF HIS REIGN NOW
Cape Town Spurs
Lloris for Friedel please
logos8
Its good Lloris isnt in goal. He wouldnt have done better than freidel and fans would have turned on him like they do with new players. I remember Modric being called the ugly girl during the Ramos reign, Bale was a loser who had never been on a winning team etc. Really who knows if Lloris would have made a difference. Defenders are there for a reason and they slacked off.
AVBisgod
I cant take 30 minutes of this
Guernman
And we would have a new clown. not gomez but lloris.
AVBisgod
friedel freidel go away never come back any f'ing day
Cape Town Spurs
Friedel is making me nervous as hell.
Total knobhead
freiedel was beaten. Lloris on please.
logos8
Rooney is pure class
big cockeral
i am changing my name to friedel_is_*****
Cape Town Spurs
need some adjustments in the defensive spacing. higher line, anyone?
Total knobhead
The day Friedel come off the line in time is the way we sign Messi
what_sux
its just a matter of time. 5-3 to United.
Fanman
Walker is just a little overated
Durbanspur
matter of time :(
Guyver
i cant take this
Nate LuvsSpurs
I would bet my house on Lloris to be more comfortable and confident in goal. I still hope we can win this.
logos8
jesus, walker. pick up your game.
Total knobhead
It`s a ballsy sub but Lloris on because friedel is panicking & has lost it
big cockeral
Cant Gallas afford Laser eye surgery? who still uses contacts nowadays...
AVBisgod
We need to get possession!!!
mountainyid
walker does need to get his act together. so lucky RVP missed,
AVBisgod
Walker again!
Durbanspur
We've collapsed again.
Fanman
Knew this would happen. United are imperious.
Fanman
walker bad one more time. he's lost something this year compared to last.
Total knobhead
Siggy on.....4-2-3-1? Let's hope we shore up the midfield and our defense focus'!!!! Come On You SPURS!!!!!!
Phil-Spurs
we need another goal soon or i don't think we will hang on. well predicted peterballb, he said with friedel in goal we would need 4 to win it...
Guernman
I cannot watch this!
Durbanspur
is defoe on the field????
rovinella62spurs
We've totally conceded the midfield
Guyver
1st thing... Lloris into goal
Cape Town Spurs
coud we make this any easier for them?
Guernman
we need to play... if we play we can win. if we continue like this we're in the lap of the God's
Cape Town Spurs
lennon again being one dimensiol you can never play the boy through the centre, learn to phuckin hold the ball up in the middle! all he does is stands on the right
redknappslayer
why do we allways do this every time we get a lead against the so called big boys, make a change and lets hold on for once cum on 15 left
Nate LuvsSpurs
no one is pressing, are they just knackered or what?
Guernman
COYS!!!
Durbanspur
4-3 to United IMO. We are poor.
Fanman
Great save Friedel
Cape Town Spurs
is there a new rule that noone is allowed within 4 metres of scholes?
Guernman
What!!!!!!! Is AVB CRAZY!!! Dembeke off For Hudd?????!!!
Fanman
We playing a back eight - the midfielders got to push out a bit!
Durbanspur
come on tom
Guernman
i appreciate that Man u have upped their game, but wtf happened to us? did we downgrade
Cape Town Spurs
Statue of Liberty!
Durbanspur
We've been freadful in the second half. United have been magnificent. We don't deserve any points from this game IMO.
Fanman
Come On You Spuuurs!
Durbanspur
we've got this
Cape Town Spurs
Why 4 mins?
Durbanspur
A draw worst case scenario surely.
Guyver
defoe is a selfish****
Guernman
Fanman, you are an arese... we were as godd in he 1st half and Utd in the 2nd. How can you say that, serisouly?
Cape Town Spurs
FU Hairy Red Krapp!!!!
Cape Town Spurs
We deserved it.................
Guyver
COYS!!!!!! We have won guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AT OT on top of everything else!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We Believe!!!!!!!
Phil-Spurs
Unbelieveable!
Fanman
Mighty Spurs!!! COYS!!! The Mighty Spurs!!! Sorry Rednose!!
mountainyid
Great result. Well done AVB and the lads. Christ only knows what we were doing in the 2nd half but it doesn't matter....we won. Brilliant. COYS!!!!!
Harry-Kari
It certainly wasn't easy, but I said we could nick three points today and we damned well did. Beware of massive pessimism. Keep the faith. We nicked the damned three points at OT. The jinx is over. Oh ye non believers! Betrayers of the faith. You may now begin to cheer and we'll pretend you said it all along. Huzzah. Happy days are here again. Huzzah. Hooray.
Total knobhead
CONGRADULATIONS SPURS!!! WELL DESERVED!
Luna
1st win at Old Trafford in Prem since 1989? Very Happy Days!!
mountainyid
Second that Cape Town!
Durbanspur
Forgive me Cape Town Spurs, we were absolutely dominated! United deserved something from the game. We just hung in there! I can't believe Defoe shot near the end of the game. We needed Ade.
Fanman
SO SORRY I GOT THE SCORERS WRONG, WHO THE PHUCK ARE MAN UTD, WHO THE PHUCK ARE MAN UTD, YIDS QUALITY GUYS QUALITY .............. Strange really, because any players who have spoke about the training and tactics, have welcomed it. Any way we will get all three points today and Dembele will be outstanding running the midfield, goals from Defoe, Bale and Lennon. Read more: http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7513553#ixzz27suPPnUK
spu 4 life
Fanman are u really a Spurs fan "£$% me what a stupid comment. We deserve this for our 1st half performance and our bloody resilience
philbill
WIN! Unbelievable! Believable! We parked the bus in the 2nd half and I started to pray. I prayed for the entire time! Finally I can look at all my ManU friends and say .... Take that!
jvd
Well done Spurs
Rip The Reds Apart
But something must be done to bring back Walker to the way he played last season. He's really regressed and almost cost us the points today. And let's see Lloris between the pipes.
Total knobhead
glory glory, mine eyes have seen again :) COYS
Arky
AVB IS A SPURS LEGEND

SUN NEWSPAPER PHUCK YOU
SEE THE UNITY ,SEE THE RESULT SEE THE BRILLIANCE OF AVB ,4 wins in a row now ,unbeaten in 6
big cockeral
Unfreakingbelieveable! anyone bashing avb after this should get their heads checked. this man will win us trophies!
logos8
and we did it. Finally! Could not watch the game and never been so nervous but kudos to our beloved Spurs! Wonderful 3 points and shows that we are back!COYS
kosovo_spurs
excellent...defoe still cant rise v the big teams.......avb ...we love you....
rovinella62spurs
Don't forget guys its a quadruple rollover on the lottery tonight.....!!
jacobslad
I have no fingernails left
spurfect one
this is our best win after the one in Milan
logos8
Cape Town Spurs, it was just so depressing watching them completely dominate us. It was strange watching all of the second balls dropping to them, like they had some kind of magnet.
Fanman
The mentality to get get anything at OT is tough. That's the monkey off our back. We deserved the win because we had a great first half and got ourselves 2-0 up. This is our first win against United in god knows when so i suggest we enjoy it. Any negativity is pathetic.
asherthesmasher
philbill, I made a mistake, sorry lads. We were good in the first half I agree.
Fanman
FANMAN - I hear you, I mean how does that happen, like a total 180.
Cape Town Spurs
YES WE WIN IT! WELL DONE AVB AND HIS TEAM OF PLAYERS!! NERVOUS THROUGHOUT THE LAST HOUR BUT WE HELD ON!!! WELL DONE EVERYBODY!!
what_sux
YEEEES JUST *****N YEEEES........ To all Spurs fans around the world, it`s time for party!!
noone
i have no fingers left... i'm typing this with my toes
spurring you on
THINK I JUST $HIT MYSELF WITH EXCITEMENT....

GET IN THERE U FECKING BEAUTY....

COYMFS....
Yidmarks
oh raaaaaaaaaaging .
ledleygomez
thank you foy for not giving them a penalty when they certainly might have had at least 2... defoe is such a ***** though, can't believe he shot, I guess 200 hundred goals more important than holding up play and securing three points
Guernman
Must say that we look a much fitter team than last year, even this early in the season. One of the reasons we saw this through!
Durbanspur
SHALL WE MAKE A DVD, SHALL WE MAKE A DDDDDDDDDVVVVVVDDDDDDDDDDDDD
spu 4 life
Thank you spurs!!! Its always good to see avb happy as a cfc fan :)
josevis
for all the chelsea fans wanting us to win...there you go......good thrashing of the gooners
rovinella62spurs
SUN FECK YOU. !!! Paul Jiggins Feck you !!! You embarrassed joker. Take the Sun and wipe your **** now.
sydqcb5
Fanman you are being a bit of a tool .Haven`t beaten them at Old Trafford since 1989 .We had to dig in ,we had to fight .
Every Spurs fan should be proud of our boys tonight ,the spirit & togetherness was brilliant
big cockeral
Thank you spurs!!! Its always good to see avb happy as a cfc fan :)
josevis
At least there was a supporter supporting before the match. Let's hope that when we face Chelsea we find our supporters supporting before the match. Too much melancholy around here before the match. Rejoice, and expect that we can take points no matter who we play nor where we play. To dare is indeed to do.
Total knobhead
I feel sorry for anyone being negative instead of enjoying this fabulous win! I hope you all have a fecking great night celebrating the mighty spurs!
logos8
We are two points ahead of Arsenal in the table!
Total knobhead
HA HA RAGINGSPUR gone into hiding ?
big cockeral
OH GOD WHAT A DAY FOR A CHELSEA FAN. BEAT THE FECKING ARSE ANAL AND A FEW POINTS CLEAR OFF MAN U AT THE TOP! THANK YOU. AVB YA LEGEND.
FrLamp
Didn't get in from work until half time. Haven't done a thing yet, still in my coat. OH MY GOOD GOD!!!
Himwhatwhats
For anyone in their early 20's, you've probably never witnessed this before. Its actually quite remarkable!
Guyver
thank you spurs perfect result for chelsea considering ye wont be challenging us at the end of the season
hazardoushazard17
Defoe only did one good thing today and that was lead Evans away for Bale's goal.
Fanman
Its 4:30AM here. I just woke up the granny next apartment. I am going bonkers here. COYS COYS COYS
sydqcb5
Next game, bench Friedel and Walker. Play Lloris and Naughton and temporarily play Vertonghen at left back.
what_sux
only 1 point behind each of the two Mancs.
Total knobhead
AVB is the man...1st Spurs manager for victory at Old Trafford since 1989...now maybe some people will give him time to get the team together...we were not that great in the 2nd half but we won and that's is what being a great team is, getting the 3 points by hanging in there until the end..Well done all the team! COYS
mountainyid
Talksport being nice to Spurs now. hahaha
sydqcb5
Phuck me - good thing I took a 5hit at half time! VIVA SPURS!
El Jefe
what_sux would probably have to agree with that, as much as I like Walker keeps getting caught out way too often leading to goals being scored against us!
El Jefe
Congratulations spurs fans, i must say i'm really happy for you guys but let me just add that all your beautiful football never got you the win at OT but the bus parking did.doesnt seem so bad now does it? :)
Samkyei 1905
only two points behind second place Everett! (WTF?) And FrLamp, you can thank us now, but we're taking points off you soon enough.
Total knobhead
And Ade and Lloris will only make us better!
Durbanspur
raaaaaging , where are yooooooooooo
ledleygomez
FYI, I yesterday put five bucks for us to win cheekily, and I won it hahahahah :)
what_sux
We showed real mental toughness out their, yes we were dominated and needed a ittle luck, but unlike previous years, we didnt capitulate when the comeback looked inevitable.
Guyver
TK...i don't care where we are table position...we beat Manure at Old Trafford...i'm in shock! Very happy and i'm going to get *****ed tonight!
mountainyid
I am very proud. We have taken a huge step forwards. HUGE. Yee F'ing hah
Cape Town Spurs
Super Jan !!!

sydqcb5
The remaining big task for AVB is to straighten out the mess that Walker has become. The man showed talent last season, but he's currently a mess. Needs some private tutoring from someone.
Total knobhead
raaaaaaaaaaging spur , i have a slice of humble pie for you
ledleygomez
I know Walker had a bad game. But this result will only boost our confidence.
sydqcb5
big cockeral, sorry. I admit my mistake. We deserved something due to our first half performance and our good counter-attacking.
Fanman
Oeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! Absolutely focking awesome! What a rollercoaster of a game! 1st half was one of the best I've seen from us, followed by the worse 2nd half. One man changed the flow of the game and that was Rooney.

Because of the poor 2nd half it's hard for me to decide our MOMs, but I think it would be one of Vertonghen, Bale or Sandro. Dembele was also very good. Flop of the match will go to Defoe, because he did no defending at all, did not put any pressure on the player with the ball, and did some very poor choices when he had the ball. Walker and Lennon must improve their defensive play if we are going to keep on winning.
Jables
spu 4 life, that game was definately worth a DVD.
Fanman
ALEX FERGUSON MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN TO RENEW CHRIS FOY CONTRACT! :)
what_sux
Well played Spurs, Manchester salutes you!
Johnny Baguette
mountinyid, you may not care, but we're in great position in the league table. great position ahead of arsenal, only a point behind the two mancs, only a couple of points out of second place, and if we can beat chelsea in a rapidly approaching match, we're only a sniff out of 1st place. Anyone who predicted this when AVB was a losing manager in our first match would have been laughed out of London. there is much more to be happy about that merely winning in OT today. (and that alone would be sufficient.) We are in great position for the season.
Total knobhead
buzzing
redknappslayer
Kudos to AVB and all the lads!!! Job done (not in grand fashion) but tactically, parking the bus in the last 30mins was done well although it cos us many fans our finger nails!!!! LOL!!! Yes, we did it guys, 6 games without a loss so please every fan / supporter of our beloved Lilywhites, GET BEHIND the TEAM and be proud!!! It will need some tweaking (the team / formation / tactics) but hell yeah, we are on the progress!!!! COYS!!!!! Well done everybody!!!! Party Time in Manila for me!!!! 2.43am and am having another round of cold beer!!!!!
Phil-Spurs
IMO Walker is not a true RB. How many times have we seen the ball go over his head due to poor positioning. RW would suit him more.
spurfect one
i missed the games boys but stats tell a good story, 52% possession at old trafford!!!!! did we play well?
spurs-stelios
Where frank COYMFSSSSSSS
vdvdaman
phew!what a caulker of a match...we rode our luck A LOT but who gives a 5hit.we dug in and with so many players missing,(BAE,kaboul,parker,ade),i think we're doing fantastic so far.i know the nay-sayers will probably whinge about how we didn't really attack in the second half but i would take that win rather than lose 5-3.gallas,caulker,sandro....colossal!!!i won't say anything negative as i'm sure others will do that but first win since '89 at old trafford,still unbeaten since newcastle in all competions,up to 5th in the table and 2 places above the scum.fantastic performance,lads...COYS!!!
g. roberts testes
Brilliant.
TopSpur13
g. roberts testes, good you mentioned Gallas, coz he's taken alot of stick on here, but I thought he payed well, can't be easy playing next to Walker at the moment..
Guyver
Great result, great performance! COYS!!
MrSpurs
wow...great win...AVB u are the new HERO. we on the right path to greatness, so now we gonna win the League (wink wink)...COYS...Is Fergie gonna blame the ref??????
DareSpur
Well, we are 1 point behind United, 1 point behind City & 2 points ahead of Arsenal. Spurs in Turmoil. HAHAHAA Feck you Sun & Daily Fail
sydqcb5
Hello fellow long suffering Spurs. I just wanted to say ******** YEEEEESSSSSS! COYS!
DocHotspurs
Fanman.....read ur posts...u need to apologise to all Spurs players today.
DareSpur
love avbs passion after the third goal , he went mental .
ledleygomez
Gallas is on his last legs as a player, but good thing he played today. MotM: Verts or Sandro. Weakness of the Match: Walker. Bring on Lloris, AVB, if you would, please.
Total knobhead
agree TK...it's just my euphoria (and tongue in cheek)...those 3 points today could be vital next May! Once I come down from Cloud 9 I'll probably look at the game more objectively and pick out the good and bad performances, but for now, it's happy days..
mountainyid
As the sun said (they don't lie do they) - spurs in turmoil :). Bobby char ton, Alex ferguson, Brian mc lair, raging, Frank, Roy keane, Wayne Rooney, Steve Bruce - your boys took one he'll of a beating. Ok, so we hung on, but were superb in first thirty minutes and without our battlers (Parker, kaboul) showed great fight. Maybe the press will blame avb for the Ryder cup?
Windlespur
craig burley can kiss my wrinkly backside....gives us more credit than that,to55 bag!!!
g. roberts testes
Love the passion of avb - determined to prove Chelsea and the media wrong and reward spurs and levy. Love it.
Windlespur
a cumbia dance in the mountains, mountainyid. drink some yage. enjoy the gift from the gods today.
Total knobhead
I would only say the Nani goal was 1 where Freidel could have done better, the Kagawa goal was simply poor marking and a close range shot that pretty much went in off the post. Would still like to see Lloris in sooner rather than later, but not as concerned with Brad as some of you guys above.
Guyver
It's a game of two halfs, remember QPR @ home, funny old game, but the FAT LADY, SHE IS SINGING,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
spu 4 life
I take back what I said about Defoe. Two of our goals were from Defoe's hold up play. I wish we had a striker like Rooney though he changed the game.
Fanman
Great result away from home. I said last week v QPR that it is easier for the TEAM to play away because of the home crowds reaction. The most loyal fans go away and am so pleased for them that the hoodoo is now broken. That means we have not been beaten at OT in 2012. Fantastic now lets get behind the lads AT HOME v Villa next week.
CoysRus
Yessssssssssssssssssssss !!!!!!!!!!!!! What a win....it surely is 9 pts worth...3 for the match + 3 for being against United + 3 for giving us a confidence level we had never had for quite a long time.
AlexSpur
Total knobhead, you were right, nice one mate!
Fanman
@guyver...let face facts,he's not as quick as he used to be but i do feel that with out him today we could of had another 5-3 on our hands.hardly put a foot/head wrong and schooled the young caulker...maybe not MOTM but definitely one of the unsung heroes of today match.
g. roberts testes
Absolutely disgraceful performance. We should know our station and not be upsetting the apple cart. The top four loving media now have us well in their crosshairs. I hope you are all proud of yourselves for willing this victory to happen. It was heartbreaking to see those united fans so despondent at the end as if someone had died. This must not happen in the future. AVB out!!!!!! ;-)
zombie-greavsie
AVB's passion is immense!
Fanman
Sun goes from Spurs in Turmoil to 'History Makers'.
sydqcb5
OMG......I mean OMG.......immense more than emmense! AVB is now ofiicially a LEGEND!
uknowhatImeanharry
Fan man, raging, Frank - enjoy the win please.
Windlespur
I couldn't get on my iPad in the second half so I just read the posts. I could sympathies with all of you guys as I thought we couldn't hold on. I just started to pray, saying the same thing over and over and just asking for this to be our game. I didn't allow myself to dwell on the proceedings just praying for the ball to be cleared.
jvd
Arsenal title contenders ? Really ? The only two teams I consider are in top form are Chelsea & Everton. As for us, lets Lloris, Ade & Parker get into the team.
sydqcb5
Walker is loose at right-back, AVB needs to work on Walker's heading and marking in training. Or give Naughton a chance. I think that United had too much joy down the left. That ball to Nani was always on.
Fanman
CTS I know that you don't want Friedel and to be honest I would prefer that Lloris get in goal also. But no manager would pull him during a game. That would be an insult to a guy who has delivered the goods both at Spurs and everywhere else he's been. However I do agree that it's time to hand it over to Lloris.
jvd
So happy for you guys.enjoy your win.4rm a chelsea fan
obimikelisdbest
Windlespur, I'm absolutely ecstatic. Just having my say on the game.
Fanman
AVB...
Mix26
Goodness gracious guys!!!! A Fecking WIN at OLD TRAFFORD!!! Could we all enjoy / savor the moment at least with JOY / HAPPINESS / LOVE and any other female name without being negative pleaaaaassssseeee guys!!!! OLD TRAFFORD, guys. IT still has not sunk in yet!!! Am high on JOY and San Miguel beer!!!!! Cheers to everybody who believed in AVB and the TEAM!!! Come On You Lilywhites!!! Madaboutspurs / Manilayid, you up mate?
Phil-Spurs
I don't know who I would vote for as MoM because it was 2 different games in each half. Bale in the 1st maybe and Gallas in the second. In truth all players played their hearts out and it should be a collective award IMHO.
jvd
Im with you there jvd, it was only until the 91st minute that I thought we could actually win this! Wonder where 4mins of stoppage time even came from though.. hmm
Guyver
sydqcb5, agreed.
Fanman
Next 2 games - Villa home, Chelsea home.
sydqcb5
jvd, Sandro MOM hands down. Without him we would not have scored third goal and probably let in 3 more.
sydqcb5
AVB's Blue & White Army!!!!! Fantastic Fantastic Fantastic!! Finally after 23 years.What a result! Hopefully the whole club and fans can now unite behind AVB and start believing!! Phuck the media they no phuck all!!
StillRickyVilla
Also Gylfi contributed really well in the 10 min he was in. I thought he was the only one who wanted to keep the ball.
sydqcb5
SSSShhhhh don't tell everyone but 28/09/1954 was another great day, YES, yesterday was my birthday, SO WHAT A PRESENT THIS IS TODAY, as i said to the arresting officer, I've not had a (unt all night drinkstable
spu 4 life
i agree with you new south wales man 5, the iceman played really well after coming in.
Total knobhead
@zombie-greavsie, you crack me up mate. Good post. Right to the point!!!! LOL!!!
Phil-Spurs
Yessss.. now as I said before on other threads.. to all the negative moaners, AVB needed time to know the players and they him.. AVB has done what Harry could not do at Old Trafford in 4 years.. and other managers in 19 years before that.. SO lets give our manager FULL SUPPORT from the fans... Harry has gone.. thank feck.. AVB.. In In In....COYS and COYS again...
Block D Spurs
23 years!!! Finally, justice for Pedro Mendes...lol Enjoy my fellow VS mates, enjoy have a drink and remember this day. Were in Turmoil alright. COYS
thenuge
TK.. well done sir.. your faith and positive attitude in our team today, has been richly rewarded...
Block D Spurs
Its easy for the rest of the yids to come on now and criticise those who have been negative today. The only positive yid here throughout the day was Total knobhead. Hats off to you sir.
Fanman
I hope harry has been watching. Glad to see AVB using the whole squad, there must be a great new atmosphere in the dressing room. Still a long way to go for our team. COYS!
noone
we closed out the match with a 6-4-0, by the way.
Total knobhead
Gallas on Caulker: "He played very well. He listens. He likes the ball. In the future if he works hard he can be the very best."
what_sux
Too much MOTM today, Vertonghen, Dembele, Sandro and Bale and maybe even Caulker deserved a mention.
what_sux
Fantastic first half performance, sat back too much after going 2 up...held on just about. Well done the lads!! Back AVB and boys!! COYS!!
LongTimeSpursFan64
Fanman, re TK, even a broken clock gets the time right twice a day lol
Guyver
what would be the icing on the cake is if harry is in the studio on M.O.T.D.....would be interesting to hear what he now has to say about "70 page dossiers" and "bull5hit baffling brains".
g. roberts testes

oxfordspur, able to put this as tomorrow article picture? :)

what_sux
Excuse me fanman; i said we would take all three points in an post yesterday and get three goals, i got one scorer right, so i was close!!!!!
spu 4 life
Imagine what an idiot I would have looked like if we lost 5-2 after being up 0-2!. But I had a feeling, based on the notion that Man U has some real weaknesses, that this was the day to nick at least a point from them, and maybe three. I'm surely happy that my positive feeling was vindicated. what a sweet win for us all. now let's hope a real sharp curve in the path has been passed and we are headed for a solid top 3 finish for the season. Could be... could be... but too early to get carried away. Get some injured fellows back, a decent addition or two in Jan, no new serious injuries, and the heavenly sky is the limit for this team. AVB may get some serious vindication this season after his sacking at the west end last season.
Total knobhead
Kyle Walker was at fault again for a goal against us... he has to be worked on.. or dropped play naughton.. even Kabul when fit.. hey.. what a defense / back line that would be.. Lloris, Kabul, Caulker Vert BAE.. ..sandro / dembele in front of them, Lennon, Siggy, Bale, Ade / Demsey / Defoe..fecking hell .. we can be in top 3 in no time..
Block D Spurs
Old Red Nose has just given a press conference about the game and complained about the amount of added time....4 minutes was not enough...! always something with him!...what a great day to be a spurs fan and happy birthday spu 4 life..!
mountainyid
Hope nobody here is still buying The Sun.
ayjaycee
Btw, we are the first PL team to beat United at Old Trafford in 2012
sydqcb5
where are all the pessimists! let's hear what you have to say to this atrocity.for once i wish people would just get behind the team and support until there is nothing left to support. WE BEAT MAN U
spurring you on
I never thought we would win that one. Now I look pretty stupid for being so negative... :-( elated with the win though. I can't wait until Ade is fit. spu 4 life, fair play to you mate. I've got a few things wrong today.
Fanman
Guyver, find the last time I stuck my neck out like I did today in calling for such good results in any one match. I have been saying with consistency that I am basically optimistic for the new management of our team, even when most others were expressing much pessimism, but today was the first time I claimed that I thought now was the day we would reverse a serious schneid. (Sorry to use an antique American baseball term. I think the full expression is "off the schneid.") But I'm happy to be a lucky broken clock, if that's what I am.
Total knobhead
winning erases all ill feeling, Fanman. We all won today. You, too, are a big winner with this one.
Total knobhead
bring back coops
duckworth
TK you are ALWAYS very positive, a game against manure at OT is the only time you'd have to "stick your neck out" this season as its the only game we werent expected to win. Wouldnt make sense to "stick your neck out" against QPR lol.
Guyver
WOW
01tottenham
Raging.. where are your negative comments? No.. then you must be as happy as the rest of us? Just come on here and tell us..
Block D Spurs
GEET IINNNNN!!!! Wooo hoo!!!! Just back from the pub in Shanghai, got kicked out for cheering too loud, nobody can take this away from us, we outplayed them most of the game! Yes we parked the bus the last 20, who wouldn't with a lead at Old Trafford, gimme a break! We were so SOLID! Super Jan, Sandro, Lennon flying everywhere, even Bale finding his space. True mutha feckin SPURS!!!!
tengboon
We beat United $hit!!! It will be interesting what they have to say on MOTD. Oh and Bale should have squared for Dempsey. It was our lucky day! Hats off to AVB for having the balls to go 4-6-0. We definately need another striker who can hold up play. Defoe had some good spells, but couldn't get on the ball for most of the game. He is still shooting on site, when he could hold it up. It will be interesting to see how Ade does.
Fanman
Coopsie will return, just has some things to deal with..
Block D Spurs
all i will say again is ...aaaavvvvvbbbbbb.....take that redtop...turmoil...tired stars ???/.......ffs,write real tales
rovinella62spurs
again certain fans are conspicuous by their absence.....this really****es me off...only comment to criticize and not to congratulate.
g. roberts testes
Oh yes, Happy Birthday spu4life from Manila, Philippines!!! You still in Thailand mate? Come by the Philippines sometime!!! Cheers mate, many happy returns!!! Let's just enjoy this sweet sweet victory today and this week!!! Keep it up AVB!!!! Job well done!!! COYS!!!
Phil-Spurs
Adebayor needs to start! Defoe looked unbelievably lazy today.
01tottenham
raaaaaaaaaaaaaging , where are you ?
ledleygomez
Total knobhead, that's true. We are all winners today even Raging... Group hug?
Fanman
Defoe should have been chasing down Scholes, as Scholes was pulling the strings right under Defoe's nose. Im sure Raging is delighted...
Guyver
OK Guyver. Although it's funny to hear me called always very positive. I was widely castigated when I was an early proponent of replacing Harry. Called too negative then. Indeed, some people started calling me a total knobhead, so I changed my name to accommodate them. But, it's true, I've been pretty consistently positive in my long term assessment of things since AVB was hired. So, guilty as charged. I have been a positive influence in these parts. Sorry about that. I'll try to pick an occasional place to be more negative for you. For example, my criticisms of Walker haven't been too positive (if you like the way he's been playing). I've rarely been as positive in my outlook as I was before today's match, though. But that's not worth a bucket of warm spit, as the expression used to have it.
Total knobhead
Happy birthday spu4life, what a great present for you!
Fanman
I take it back what I said before about if Friedel starts, we lose.... but it's not about our goalkeeping today, it's about our defensive midfield monsters, our defensive veterans, our Super Jan, and our flying wingers, they just had no answer the first 70 min!! And we defended the last 20 like true cham-pee-oons!!
tengboon
All the Gallas knockers will now have to think again, he's in the running for MOM today, he was a rock at the back.
Hot_Spur
Phill spurs.. I could be in Phillipines La Union area.. via Manilia end of year / january.. meet up and have a beer or three...??
Block D Spurs
lol is raging a AVB hater?
01tottenham
Guyver, agreed Defoe should of closed down Scholes with more aggression, as he was effectively our spare man. Can't wait for Ade to be fit, but fair play to Defoe. He played well for two of our goals.
Fanman
TK where did you get the impression I had a problem with your positivity... im just saying under AVB you've been consistently positive, so on the good days like today you can do the whole "I told you so" but on the bad days? Well on the bad days, ragingspur returns and does his own version lol
Guyver
HUGE result, that basically wipes out the points lost the first couple matches. Chelsea at home in two weeks, we'll be SO much more confident! I STILL hope that this is Friedel's swan song, he can now go out with pride, but we NEED Lloris in goal. Now.
tengboon
Yep Fanman, you were correct about Scholes though, he still has it, 2nd half especially, he turned back the clock.
Guyver
01tottenham, yep Raging is a huge AVB critic. He can say nothing tonight though. He rates Harry as better than AVB. I was a Harry supporter (still am to some degree as he was no fool), but AVB has proved himself. Anyway Dembele needs a rest midweek. Hopefully Hudd will start in Athens.
Fanman
i will be reading all the redtops tomorrow,just to see how much humble pie they can cram down their throats....just one more spoon...go on,you can manage another spoon...come on now,you can do better than that,one more...here comes the aeroplane,open wide......avb is starting to come good and after all the 5hit that was trown his way over the last few months,(some clown in the mirror even refered to him as david brent),it will be funny to read/watch the u-turns and brown-nosing begin.
g. roberts testes
There was a camera shot of Levy after the whistle, he wasn't even smiling the miserable git.
Hot_Spur
Great points much needed and hopefully bring a bit of belief through the team.

We still had tendency to drop off once we took a 2 nil lead and we were lucky to survive the second half onslaught.

Walker was poor and is not progressing under AVB and should be pushed for his starting place. Glad Dempsey got his goal and will be a hard working player that will give us some good games but I still think we need more strike force and a little more in midfield in terms of holding the ball however, Parker may be just the player to settle things when needed but long term another cm and two more strikers. Gallas will not last forever but Caulker did well and I expect him to be here for some time.

Defoe did help with the goals but our play wasn't played to his strengths as Friedal kicked the ball up long and Defoe can't play like that he got little service.

I see the passion in AVB and I see him involving more players and with a three or four more additions we can compete at the top level. However, we need to build on the luck we had today at times and go in firing in our next couple of games to settle everyone.

Otherwise very happy we hung in and got the points. Well done and looking forward to MOTD
thfan
I don't think I did too much of an "I told you so" thing, but perhaps your impression of my behavior is more accurate than mine is. If I've been a gloating w@nker, then I apologize. But I don't think I have been, really. If it makes you feel better to put me in my place, so be it, Guyver. I can live with that.
Total knobhead
Hot_Spur, yea I saw that too!
Fanman
Happy birthday spu 4 life, where are you in Thailand?
what_sux
I don't mind the "I told you so's" too much TK, was just pointing out that if you are consistent with your positivity/negativity like you and raging, then obviously the (very) mild gloating, holds little weight, as your day will always be around the corner, Maybe the negative guys will get their day after the Chelsea match.. Spu 4 life's positivity/negativity seems a little more relative to the circumstances, so is a little more impressive imo.
Guyver
Barca are playing Seville now, what a great day off football.
Fanman
We need to get a striker in January.
Fanman
I'm sorry I'm not impressive to you, Guyver. It will take all the joy out of today's victory for me. lol. Really, though, I wasn't thinking about whether or not I'd be vindicated whenever I wrote something on VS. I'm happy to be thought an idiot at all times. But enough of this topic. I'm sure we are boring everyone else.
Total knobhead
Just got in from canoeing ,,,,i had the pleasure of listening to the last 30 mins on the radio ,,pure pain ,,phew !! but we wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn,,so happy really !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! roll on Match of the day !!!!! COYS
Edinburgh Spur
AVB out foxes red nose ha ha brilliant ....Spurs officially said ...

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/united-spurs-report-29092012.page?
big cockeral
Although, Guyver, I'll try to use a random number generator to determine when I'm optimistic and when I'm pessimistic.
Total knobhead
Dito hot spur noted that to you think he be jumping like the rest of us. Question, which manager celebrates with the most passion? .... look back at what sux post love it ... AVB legend !
spudace
Tomorrows newspapers - avb causes Ryder cup slump.
Windlespur
lol I don't know how "impressive" you are TK, I don't know you personally, but I do enjoy reading your posts, so your opinions and input are usually impressive.
Guyver
A RNG TK? share it with Raging, should produce some bizzare posts from the both of you!
Guyver
Okay guys...off to buy some beers...i'm sure the next shift will arrive soon from Oz to keep the celebrations going! Proud day to be a Spurs fan...23 years we've waited for this win...and it wasn't a dream! in the words of Madabout...COME YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN !!!
mountainyid
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19774222
what_sux
Vertonghen 9 out of 10 to get man of the match ,but many 8 out 10`s today .

Friedel looking way to slow with his reaction times so Lloris has to come in now .He has done well for us but he has to hand the jersey over now
big cockeral
Fergie moaning about lack of added (Fergie) time? 4 mins was too much!
Guyver
Congratulations to AVB,the TEAM and all supporters of SPURS worldwide from a proud SPURS supporter in NZ.
sandroman
@Block D Spurs, sure mate. Make that a fecking case of SMB.... I am always in Manila but do the island tour visiting clients here nationwide. Will be nice to have a Lilywhite here with me for banter and drinks. Cheers till we meet. chrisseow70@yahoo.co.uk That's me email address. COYS!!! What a sweet morning this is for me, u and us supporters of our beloved Spurs!!!!
Phil-Spurs
Fergie "we should have had a penalty, but the biggest insult was the 4mins of added time, an insult to the game, absolutely ridiculous, the amount of time they were wasting" ect ect ... LOL
Guyver
love seeing AVB celebrate our goals witn so much passion , and at the final whistle ..... AVB doubters lol
spudace
WHAT A WIN. I was one of the few who wanted AVB here in the first place and got shouted down for it by a lot of people, my faith in our manager is starting to prove right. I don't see how people can say Defoe did nothing all game. If it weren't for him chesting the ball down, holding up play and passing it to Bale to shoot, Dempsey wouldn't have got his first prem goal for us and we wouldn't have had that vital, vital third match winning goal, so as far as I am concerned he was the catalyst for the goal that won the game for us. Yes he was selfish and a bit thoughtless when he shot towards the end, but there wasn't much else he could have done as there ws no one up there to pass to and if he had hung on to it for much longer he would have had a pack of manure players onto him and lost it any way, so what else could he have done and if it had gone in he would have been being hailed as a hero. Ah well you can't please everyone can you. LOL. If this is us in total and utter turmoil I can't wait to see us when we are firing on all cylinders HA HA. What a bunch of muppets the press are. A thouroughly deserved win for the fighting qualities we showed in the second half just as much as the flair and skills shown in the first. Funny I was looking to see if the naysayers would be out in force with a bit of humble pie eating but shock horror they are staying away for some reason, haven't even got the good grace to come on here and congratulate the team and manager on such an epic and historic win. RAGING WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU???? Great to see some positive comments before the game started keep it up lads. I know it is easy to say after the event but I really did have a good feeling about today's game. COYS
chrishove123
what is with all the coopsie love? the guy was a valued character on the site but decided to walk away, now you pine like some love sick poodles about come back coopsie. a bit sad really
Cape Town Spurs
aint bought the sun since wapping
duckworth
and far more importantly, should't it be about our historic win and not Coopsie?
Cape Town Spurs
chrishove123, I agree with you that Defoe played very well for our goals, but towards the end, I think he could of used his pace to run the ball into the corner, or held it up for the player behind him. Defoe has good strength and pace!
Fanman
hotspur...does levy ever smile/
rovinella62spurs
@what_sux...thanks for the link. did fergie really say that the lack of extra time denied his team the chance to win a football match....?did he really say that?er...excuse me,did he REALLY ACTUALLY say that...?...i think the powers that be need to look at that comment because it suggest all sorts of shenanigans....plus i can't believe the arrogance of the man,assuming that if 6-8 mins of extra time was played instead of 4 his team would've won...tish and pish to you fergie!!!
g. roberts testes
we just sent out a message... and whilst all those around us heard it, hopefully we did too. 23 years. that record has stopped. the rise of spurs and the demise of united will occur in the coming years
Cape Town Spurs
I'm still recovering! I was in bits towards the end!! Great result I wouldn't pick any one player I thought as a team we were excellent.
MrSpurs
I'm off to A&E.
Tottenham Hotcore
I admit I was an AVB doubter but that Lazio match and today have changed my mind. Well done AVB.
MrSpurs
what_sux - He's always got some excuse for losing. Even if there was 10 minutes of added time that's no guarantee they would have scored.
Hot_Spur
Yeah fanman I also likes his running off the ball that split their defense in the first half especially. Must agree he was lazy second half though. But hey WE WONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
chrishove123
chrishove - Defoe could have taken the ball down to the corner flag and hang on to it as long as possible to use up some time. As it was he just gave back possession immediately
Hot_Spur
Walker was poor positionally, although his tackle on Kagawa was world class. Also, in the first half he dragged the Man U midfield wide, giving Sandro and Dembele more time on the ball. AVB = Tactical genius!
Tactically Challenge
Unbelievable result. All those negative types on here can go jump now. So over the moon right now. Me and the missus have a wager, if spurs win she ducks under the doona and puts a smile on me face and vice versa if we lose. She was so confident united would win, now I lie back and......
van der haart lane
been addicted to reading site daily but never posted, what a result still can’t believe that finally we have taken 3 points at old Trafford, great team display, first half we wiped the floor, second half we held on tight very strong unit, could not watch last 10 minutes Jan the man what a fecking signing COYS COYS COYS COYS
23 years waiting
Hot_Spur do you really think that if he hadn't shot he could have held onto the ball that long, as I said he would have had a pack of them on his case the way they played in the second half so he would have lost it as he had absolutely no support there for him, so the only other option left to him is to shoot.
chrishove123
rovinella - I dunno, not that I've seen, miserable git. There's AVB going bananas with delight while Levy sits there poker faced.
Hot_Spur
Right Peeps, I ve just come back from OT and frankly I'm a bit *****ed having been entertained in the Salford Suite (Quite a bit *****ed actually). I'm settling down to watch the re-run on ESPN and am not prepared to believe what I just witnessed until I see it om telly. I was quite contained when the first and then the send goal went in but after MU scored and we immediately responded with a third I erupted in a paroxism of emotion which endeared me little to the locals. Phuck-em I was beyond caring. This is without question the zenith of my passionate support for the kings of the High Rd. COYS. More later when I sobe4r up..
Love totty
chrishove - I disagree, when Defoe picked up the ball there was only one defender near him, instead of thinking "go for goal" he should have gone straight for the corner flag, he has enough pace to have done that and would have reached it before the second defender got across. Same old Defoe, when he was born they took his brain out and put in a "shoot for goal" ommeter. That's all he knows how to do.
Hot_Spur
The travelling support was absolutely fantastic. The noise from the 70K MU fans was unbelievable but our boys could be heard above them. So proud.
Love totty
@what_sux. That picture of AVB warms my cockles :)
spurfect one
Sevilla 2 - 0 Barca :-O
Fanman
There is a time for criticism Hots_pur but not tonight. Bask in the glow of a great team result. You had to be there to experience the emotional pressure our boys stood up to.
Love totty
Cesc pulls one back for Barca 2-1.
Fanman
I am beyond elated!!!! What a result. If this turmoil continues..who knows we may even win a bit of SILVERWARE too!
Cairnside Spur
love the picture what sux
spudace
Can I be honest.

I spent most of the 2nd half with Snr Hotcore and Sibling Hotcore looking after Baby Hotcore as we all struggled to put so much emotion into the game.
Tottenham Hotcore
My first time at OT and what a day. I was sitting in the middle of some aggressive ManU supporters and had to control my reactions. Awful watching us pas the ball back to them all the time, Scholes who I think isa dirty player was absolutely amazing. Our guys defended well but I agree Friedel must go. Can't wait for full team to be available. COYS
Big Ron
Cesc scores again, 2-2!
Fanman
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19774393 Sir Alex Ferguson "They gave us four minutes [injury time], that's an insult to the game. It denies you a proper chance to win a football match."
Cairnside Spur
Barca won 3-2! David Villa scored in injury time.
Fanman
Credit also due to Chris Foy for not letting himself be influenced by United players, I can almost forgive him for the Stoke game.
Cairnside Spur
So what can I say... Brilliant performance by AVB & the Team, welldone :-)

Sadly tho my ESPN package was removed for whatever reason & I turned on @ 17:30 just to find that out... Not a happy chappy, so I had to settle for news feeds on my phone, boy was that torture ! From what I gather Sandro was immense & hands down FPOTM (apparently MOTM rights have now or are in the process of being sold ! No joke, therefore Football Player OTM !!), Verts was sublime, Bale was unstoppable, Dembele was created to run thru walls & destroy the oppositions confidence & JD PROVED how much a TEAM player he really IS ! Also AVB proved he KNOWS what he's doing, if ANY Spurs fans can still dare to voice any doubts, then wow, stubborn or what... This HAS to be the defining moment for the doubters, EVERY fan must unite & back AVB from now on. He's put together a Team & an ethos now & its baring fruit & gathering pace. DL was correct in appointing AVB & hopefully we have the Head Coach who will lead & take our great Club to much success & for MANY, MANY years to come.

IAVBIT ILIT TTID COYS
True Spurs Supporter
What an epic win, what an epic atmosphere at OT today, what a lot of random spurs fan hugging, still smiling and my voice is still broken...COYS!
JayCoys
Oh and I hope all the AVB bashers will just feck off now! :)
JayCoys
HOORAY!!! What a fantastic result for our beloved club. I decided to sleep this game out and woke up this morning to see a score of Utd. 2 - 3 Tottenham at ESPN soccernet. I want to congratulate AVB and the players for this historic win. 1989, wow that was a long time ago since we last won there.

An incredible first half performance from ALL the players with special mention to Vertonghen and Sandro. Oh they we just so good. I agree the criticism of Defoe is harsh because his hold up play was not bad and he supply the VITAL pass to Bale that set up the 3rd goal. Quality all round the park for us. Notice Vertonghen's goal celebration. Was he doing a Clark Kent to Superman action. lol.

The belief is there amongst the players. Vertonghen plays like he has been with us for years. Sandro owned the midfield in the first half making tackes after tackles. Lennon has been very consistent lately. Bale's goal was calmly taken on his right foot and exposed Ferdinand for the ageing player he is. Gallas deserves his spot in the heart of defense. Really not much to complain about.

Mr Andre Vilas-Boas!!! Love the passion he exudes after every goal. Sends out a positive vibes to the players and travelling fans. I have said many times to give him time to find his feet with us. Unbeaten since the first game of the season. How about that! No legend yet imo but he is doing very well. You can tell tactics and practice are high in priority. Players are organised and not knackered after 70 minutes.

HAPPY DAYS!!! Enjoy the victory all my fellow SPURS supporters. PS: Happy birthday spu4life:-))
Madaboutspurs
Are we going to forgive Chris Foy for what he did at Stoke last year? Today, he did not make a penalty call twice in the first half. Many a referee would have blown for at least one of those. Also, he only allowed just under 5 minutes of extra time (officially should have been 4) when it is usually about 6 to 8 minutes at Old Toilet.
Madaboutspurs
Sorry Hot_Spur I so disagree about him not having a brain. If it weren't for Defoe Bale wouldn't have scored because it was Defoe who's intelligent run opened up the gap for bale to be able to shoot unimpeded. He was also instrumental in the Dempsey goal by chesting the ball down, beating the player and holding up play until Bale was in position, he then PASSED it to Bale to shoot and Dempsey slotted the rebound in. Defoe was opening up gaps in the MU defence because of his runs dragging a defender out of position. I would say that was a main ingredient of Spurs' win. You only seem to se what you want to see with Defoe and refuse to se what he does off the ball. Still I really do not care about your ill informed "judgements" on his play because he is the one who had a huge hand in two of the goals and without his contributions they wouldn't have happened and that is a FACT tat even you as a Defoe disser can't deny unless you are so blinkered and biast against him that you actually refuse to admit to his highly important contributions to our win today. He played as part of a TEAM and that is what is needed. IMHO Defoe had a really good game today.
chrishove123
Too happy right now to pull up the haters, prepare to reap in the morning you plums who have Friedel at fault for the goals. One to eleven plus the subs, heros the whole lot of ya. AVB, you da man, loved the passion, even if you did look a little like Mr Bean during the ESPN slo mo of your celebrations. Thought Vertonghen was awesome in his least favoured LB role, Defoe assisted in the same manner as Modric for the third and also drew the defenders for Bales second. Great performances all round. Levy had better back AVB in January, shame he didn't act earlier, gonna be soooo peed off if we are a couple of points short at the end of the season. I've always been a Levy hater but have never once knocked AVB, loved the pictures at the end, can't wait for the Sun and the Daily Fail to tell us how unhappy the players were at the end. "Players attack AVB at OT with smiles on their faces" will be the haedline from the Sun. Don't forget to point out to them that their darling (forgotten his name now) never got that result during his time with us.
This should spell a complete change in mindset, yes we rode our luck, but in order to get anything from OT you need a bit of luck and we certainly deserved it. COYS
thfc1882whl
thfc1882whl "Players attack AVB at OT with smiles on their faces" HA HA HA love it.
chrishove123
1 point better off than the corresponding fixtures last year & to think all the stick AVB and DL have copped from some so called fans (as well as the biased media). Harry, who some of you worship, would not have been able to tactically manufacture that type of win today and it's time for us to realise that AVB is on a totally different level - brought in to take the team to the next level!
1984Spurs
chrishove123.... Mate the Defoe haters will always hate, let it go mate they ain't worth it. They are also clueless, bet they would have been creaming themselves if Modric had passed to Bale for the third goal. Pointing out how it was that pass that actually made the goal and not Bales shot.
thfc1882whl
Cairnside, that bbc link had pis$ed me right off. Just admit it Fergie, your luck ran out.
Tottenham Hotcore
1984Spurs .... Sorry mate but this result as achieved despite Levy, not because of him.
thfc1882whl
Did some tosser accuse us of parking the bus we scored three goals at old Trafford. We then froze and sat off them if we'd had a fit Adebayor and a right back that could defend we may have totally raped them before any chance of a fight back.
spurdon
I thought AVB was spot on with his substitutions, giving as many as possible experience of a victory at OT. Th only nailed on pen was the Vertonghen challenge on Nani and Foy and his lino couldn't see it clearly so neither could give it. I expect the Friedel and Defoe haters will be twittering their respect to Sir Chris Hoy in the morning, much like they did their vitriol last season.
thfc1882whl
Get in there! What a day. Gallas was immense, Sandro too.
HotShotTottenham
Still think Lloris should have played Cape Town etc?
HotShotTottenham
thfc1882whl, as a defoe critic I am sorry that i am not worth it ;) it was a sublime pass to bale, which makes me even more frustrated that he doesn't try and assist more often. He really didn't have the opportunity to shoot himself though. as for shooting at the end, i too feel he should have gone for the corner. nevertheless he did well today, worked hard for the team. Siggy showed real maturity when he came on, held on to possession and slowed things down. Lennon really went for goal too which was great to see. Vertonghen is a winner. its that sort of mentality that made the difference today. Dempsey too, a strong mentality. What i loved was the tangible sense of anger that those guys seemed to feel when united scored and they went and scored straight back :) bale's shot had real venom, normally that united goal would have heralded a mental collapse but not today. I am also in the lloris camp, but can't blame brad for the conceded goals. I have to say that AVB continues to impress me. His preparation for each game is sublime, we have absolutely dominated every first half this season, it suggests that the manager prepares the team very well for each opponent and like today even the likes of ferguson are looking at the watch praying for half time so they can react. I think his subs were spot on today, and generally his subs have been intelligent. Finally i cannot believe the improvement in our set plays, almost every corner is delivered into dangerous positions and its normally a spurs player on the end of it. it reeks of practise to me and that will add points over the season for sure. As for todays result, i am so ******** happy right now :)
Guernman
Love totty - I'm as happy as anybody else, that doesn't mean I'm blind.
Hot_Spur
Absolutely in dreamland with the outcome!!!!. Went to a pub in Manchester with the other half, surrounded by MU supporters, howling, and taunting ONE vocal Spurs fan (NOT ME!), chanting rooney, rooney... But watching their faces at the end and their sudden departure from the pub......priceless!. My partner and I sat there (holding hands) and digging nails in to each other in the 2nd half, me doing the clock countdown!!!!! A well overdue change of luck and well taken goals by the boys, done us proud.

I am not going to criticise any one of our players for the performance. They ALL played their roles in this historic match. Some of the criticism seen here today can be looked upon in a positive light also.

Firstly the result today will lift everyone's confidence moving forward and have given them a lot of belief. Gallas, whilst nearing the end of his career, exudes a winner's mentality and will help the likes of a spring chicken in the form of Walker. I am sure all the players will watch the video repeatedly and note their contribution and will look to build on it. The coaches too will have learnt a lot from this experience and how we may improve on our performance when under intense pressure. Unfortunately, we didn't really have anyone on the bench to be able to substitute JD....a fit, natural ball holder, i.e., Ade.

Just remember, ManU had ALL their strikers on at one point and still failed to equalise. Speaks volumes for the dogged determination and character of the whole team in a 75,000 seater couldron.

Let's hope the boys can now maintain the momentum. COYS!
Critical_Spur
Gareth Bale IMO is a hall of fame Tottenham Hotspur Legend.
MrSpurs
chrishove - I agree with everything you say about Defoe in your last post, but the instances you speak of are his movements OFF THE BALL. That is a vastly different thing to what he does with the ball if there is the remotest chance that he can get a shot at goal. You are now trying to steer the focus away from the original point being made, which you haven't addressed at all in your last post. Clearly you have no satisfactory reply to the original point, hence your attempt at shifting the focus.
Hot_Spur
thfc1882whl, i am sorry but why do you have such a problem with the friedel/defoe "haters" who so obviously must have been the people attacking foy on twitter last season? I don't quite see the connection there. Of course we must be the real scum of the spurs supporters. I am ecstatic by todays game, but no it won't change my opinion, of which i believe i am entitled, that defoe is too selfish and does not, unlike adebayor, possess the natural attributes to be fully effective in a lone striker role, nor will it alter my view that brad is not the force he was and i look forward to seeing our new 12 million pound world class keeper actually play sooner rather than later. We won today and thats brilliant, but defoe's selfishness and brad's legs will cost us points over the season just as surely as AVBs tactical preparation, excellent man management of players like defoe, lennon etc who are both clearly feeling a lot more wanted which is great ( i do appreciate defoe's strengths as well ) and practising set plays will gain us points. As for the rather ridiculous Foy claim, I imagine that the general public storm that ensued following his appalling display at stoke last season coupled with the fact that i am sure he felt pretty bad looking at the match afterwards could well have factored in at least subconsciously today on the various penalty calls that could have gone either way but for which we got the benefit of the doubt. In any case, there was plenty of luck involved today of which we were long overdue.
Guernman
Guerman .... Criticism is ok when it's deserved mate, the Defoe of old (18 months ago) was worthy of it at times. Some seem unable to accept improvement though. Shame you still hadto have hat little 'couldn't shoot' dig though mate. Never mind, you'll be calling for his return soon enough, just wait till Ade-couldn't-hit-a-barn-dor gets back into the team. Apart from that, very good assessment mate. Both on the same side with differing opinions is fine by me mate COYS
thfc1882whl
fair enough thfc1882whl, although its not a dig, i just have never seen defoe pass when he could shoot, but when he does pass he is capable of defense splitting ones. today was sublime and I recall a similar pass to bale against arsenal last season. thats why he drives me crazy :) as for my previous claim that under AVB we always get the tactics right first half, i am obviously in complete denial about QPR ;)
Guernman
Guerman.... Calm down mate, it must be frusrating that those you wish weren't playing didn't let us down but surely you're happy with the result, even if it does make a mug of you ( you're not alone there). Friedel is way past his best but wasn't at fault for either of their goals, he's still a subeteo keeper though ( never comes off his line), fortunately it didn't cost us today. I fully expect this to have been noted by the coaching staff and don't expect to see him in the next league game, unless loris is looking poor in training of course, in which case why did we buy the bloke. Any criticism of Defoe today is completely unjust, made Bales goal with his run and played a Modric-esc role in Dempseys.
thfc1882whl
Mate, we're all in denial about QPR and I'm sorry if I seem harsh but I've taken some dogs abuse on here for supporting Defoe, not from you admittedly, so I'm sorry if I've offended you on such a great day to be a Spurs fan.
thfc1882whl
no worries, I think everyone should be happy today and defoe certainly did play his part. I am not his biggest fan :) but I appreciate the way that AVB has stood by him and got him to adapt to the loan role as best he can, it has made him a better player, no question. We are the first away team to take three points in manchester this calendar year apparently, how fuc(ing awesome is that :))) COYS
Guernman
Hot_Spur If you can be bothered to read ALL my first posr I have adequately adressed the point about him shooting instead of going for the corner. In fact i have adressed it twice because i reopeated it in my second post as well. So that just goes to show you either don't read the whole postings and just cherry pick the odd sentence, or you are incapable of understanding plain English. Whichever it is I really do not give a flying fig because I realise that however brilliantly or badly Defoe plays and even if he scored 25 goals for us you and your ilk would still be on his case saying he should have scored 35 because he missed so many chances and he should have passed more often blah blah blah ad nauseum. With people like you there a player that you have taken an irrational dislike to really do not stand a chance. I really do not rate Friedel because I feel that his lack of dominance in the box and his not coming to collect crosses the way he should has cost us dearly, as in the last game he left the ball for the defence to deal with instead of collecting it the way Lloris would and the ball went straight to them came back in and they scored. THAT is bad goalkeeping. BUT I do give him credit where it is is due and he did make a few good solid saves today. I think that he was partly to blame for not coming off his line quickly enough and going to ground a bit early for on but that is just being highly picky by an ex 'keeper but hey if that had been Gomes then no doubt he would have been castigated for it by your good self wouldn't he. Friedel did play a good game today but I do think that we should be getting Lloris between the sticks in a few games time I really don't know how Lloris would have performed in that atmosphere today, he could have played a blinder and kept a clean sheet or frozen and lost us the game, so I do think that AVB got it right to play Friedel as he has been there before many times and knows what to expect. I can't put any of the players down today because it was a great TEAM effort from the head coach to the coach driver. COYS
chrishove123
What a game. I've just seen it - I had to leave at half time to visit the in-laws and didn't know the result when I started watching it again. Must admit I had to watch most of the second half at double speed as I couldn't take the tension - it must have been unbearable watching it live. Great win, thought I'd never live to see the day. Well done you Spurs
In-spurs-ational
Oh, almost forgot. AVB out out out
In-spurs-ational
what_sux
what_sux
Tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1989...
In-spurs-ational
Thanks for the 2 clips, what_sux. I did notice the 'Superman' celebration after the goal. HAPPY DAYS.
Madaboutspurs
"Me and the missus have a wager, if spurs win she ducks under the doona and puts a smile on me face and vice versa if we lose. She was so confident united would win, now I lie back and......," wrote van der haart lane

....

reciprocate anyway, mate. She'll love you all the more for it.

Total knobhead
When the team disappoints, we go over 1000 comments. Great win like today and less than 800. Thoughts?
Total knobhead
yeah, because the bitchy whiners are hiding away with their tails between their legs
spurring you on
wasn't able to watch the match live, so kept clear of all news channels until 11pm EST. so glad i did! AVB made history at Spurs. i guess all doubts about him should be cast aside now after our recent performances, especially this one.

Walker is a great right back for Spurs, but does need to work on his positioning. played the striker onside for both goals.

Love the way our central mid looks. I really hope Sandro stays on the pitch even when Parker is available. strong at the back, and also adds another dimension going forward.

Also love how AVB got us to play well with one "little" striker. Wonder what'll happen when Ade is back.
dazzwater
Just had look at some of the highlights. Defoe definitely has improvd interms of his runs stretching defenders.
Sandro was completely drenched with Sweat- a game which showed how good a player he is. Sandro had his best game of the year.
Dembele was classy too especially in first half.
Vertonghen is a new super star for us. I dont want him to be CB. He gives us so much more at LB.
Friedel was calm & composed yesterday. May be he could have saved a goal but respect for Friedel for his cool head yesterday. I still believe Lloris has to take up the mantle, but I dontmind who it is if we are doing the job. We need to enure that we dont alienate Lloris. I hope he gets his chances sooner.
All in a ll great performance , gave our 2nd away win & boosted to 5th position.
I expect a home win against Villa and a tough game at home with Chelsea. I would take a draw with Chelsea now. But then ,if we play with nothing to loose attitude we could spring a surprise.
sydqcb5
What a roller coaster, what a great first half, what a nail biting second half, but to get the result priceless. Well done AVB, cracking effort from all the lads even those that had their lapses, COYS. With Lloris, Parker, Kaboul and Adebayor still to come into contention, we have the makings of a really strong team.
ManilaYid
Good read, especially last paragraph
http://www.thenational.ae/sport/football/tottenham-aim-to-get-technical-director-in-as-soon-as-possible
sydqcb5
It was soooooo enjoyable to see the pathetic rant from red nose Fergie -'Only 4 minutes of injury time, its a insult, its a insult to football' -----hahhahahahahaha
What else can he say ? He got his selection wrong, tactics wrong, his team lacked desire & ability in first half? His rant & Suns headlines are icing on the cake.
sydqcb5
My gooner friends are bit confused. According to them they are title contenders but cannot explain why they are behind us in the table. #UnderTheRadar
sydqcb5
Update: Fergie "hairdriers" Foy. "you will never play for yanited again son" "what happened to 105 minutes??? Call yourself a ref??? Shouts at Clattenburg - didnt you tell him the rules??? Always at least ONE F*#c*ing penalty at OT when yanuted are losing. I gave the sign didnt I?? I looked at my watch means keep playing for christs sake were you asleep during the briefing??? but come on NO penalty??? NO goal disallowed for them??? these are the basics man you couldnt even remember the basics?? what a disaster. its the worst performance by a ref at OT in 23 years!
nomorewhlegends
walker, defoe and lennon, were absoultley shocking today, walker ball watching and out of position, lennon done nothing waste of time and brainless, defoe again cluless and brainless nearly cost us, why go to shoot on goal from 30yards and loose possession instead of the smart thing to do is run it down into the corner with onoly a few mniutes left. we got battered in 2nd half, as we got very lucky i cant believe we won this game, well done for brad another solid game
123spurs
Vertonghen is a CB. It's where he's at his best, it's where he wants to play moving him to LB has to be short term for him and for us. He can influence a game far more in the center as I'm sure you'll see in the coming weeks
Spurs Allday
we sat back, no pressing, we gave them 2 much space, this was one of the one sided 2nd half i ever saw, im glad we won and still a lot of work ahead of us.
123spurs
123spurs, congratulations on somehow being able to be negative on one of our best away days in years. Olympic gold medal standard sniping my friend. Well done.
StillRickyVilla
nomorewhegends... lol, probably not too far from the truth either mate
thfc1882whl
123spurs..... I'll take another shocking display from Defoe, especially one that creates 2 of our 3 goals. I think that maybe you should check whether your chair is pointing at your telly mate. ;-)
thfc1882whl
Can't believe people are being so negative after we won at Old Trafford for the first time in 23 years!! Yes, they dominated us in the 2nd half, but would did you expect? We were excellent first half and showed a lot of grit (as well as a bit of luck for a change) in holding on for the 3 points.
Spursteve
50% win percentage. 7 games unbeaten. In the hunt in all 4 competitions. A young forward-thinking, highly motivated manager. A new DoF and stadium on the way geared to long-term sustained success. Looking good. Stop the sniping and get behind AVB and the team around him. We could do something special over the next few years if we get behind them. Loving the "AVB's Blue and White Army" chants yesterday!!
StillRickyVilla
And to all the people slating Defoe - what game were you watching? His runs & movement were giving Evans & Ferdinand nightmares, and he had a major hand in 2 of our goals.
Spursteve
123,obviously ur the GRINCH getting in some practice for XMAS,hope the rest of your weekend gets better.
sandroman
well done spuds, excellent win at old trafford. things are starting to gel at WHL.
Gian-Franco/Luca
Did yesterday happen? Was it a dream? The lift that will gift the team will immeasurable.
Tottenham Hotcore
TBH, don't think some of the whingers and whiners on here are proper Spurs. I mean, fine come on here to put your view across in the week. But they all disappear on an historic win like yesterday, with no celebratory posts, no nothing. Most are just replicating the media's anti-Spurs or anti-AVB crap and their posts should be taken with a pinch of salt.
StillRickyVilla
Hot_Spur.. I saw that TV shot of Levy.. looked like he was in shock.. stunned.. he has been vindicated in his appointment of AVB.. and the club "going in a different direction" from Harry era...
Block D Spurs
I'm ignoring them SrV. On a side note, I think I love Jan.
Tottenham Hotcore
Might pop over to Vital Manure.
Tottenham Hotcore
Defoe and Lennon did nothing?? what the hell do they have to do ffs a WIN at Old Trafford our theatre of Nightmares and some "fans" are moaning and griping I wonder if some of you lot have ever actually been to a match or if its all purely from Football Manager games. Well you support the team how you want to do it by being negative and nit picking every performance and counting your stats and I will support it my way with heart in mouth aswell as fingernails kicking imaginary footballs whether watching from the stands or on the telly and yes I do sing even when Im in the front room sat on my ez-boy even if we are losing and playing 5h1te OMG!! THAT to ME is what supporting the mighty mighty Spurs is about and also my deluded friends that support their respective teams in the same way. Sing up loud and proud we beat utd in their backyard finally. We are tottenham we are tottenham super tottenham from the LANE!!! COYS!!!!
nomorewhlegends
Don't waste your time going to vital manure. It's a ghost town.
Tottenham Hotcore
I thought Defoe's movement off the ball was excellent. The way he pulled the defence apart for Bale's goal was of the highest quality as were most of his other runs. I think he actually showed a selfless side to his game with his runs yesterday.
Spurs Allday
Rumour has it that yesterdays game is to be replayed. Apparently the forth official got the injury time wrong in the second half, putting up 04 minutes instead of the pre-agreed (with Fergie) time of 40 minutes. It has also been mentioned that beating man u at old Trafford is against premiership rules which is the real reason we've never beaten them before.
In-spurs-ational
nomorewhlegends, I know. Well said. As Tottenham Hotcore said, i think its just best to ignore them. I'm not letting anything spoil this weekend, already watched the whole match twice + match of the day highlights - do you think its pushing it with the missus to watch it for a 3rd time today!?
StillRickyVilla
@SRV Yeah me too lol had to get up at 7am to play it again as she slept - she wasnt asleep for long mind moaning something about you know the score why do you have to cheer the goals again? she just doesnt get it lol
nomorewhlegends
fergie's comments were hilarious, especially as he was so ******** desperate for the half time whistle to come :) if they had followed his time keeping rules then he would have gone apoplectic :0
Guernman
chrishove - You're a p.r.a.t.t
Hot_Spur
Vital Man Utd. is empty.. just left a little post.. nothing bad, as in victory we need to show respect to a worthy opponent for the way they played / dominated us in 2nd half.. After all we WON AT OLD TRAFFORD!!! COYS :-)
Block D Spurs
''We've only just begun'' the words of a great carpenters song (for us older ones) ''Sharin horizons that are new to us, Watching the signs along the way, Talkin it over just the two of us, Working together day to day, together'' those words sum up the attitude about the current set up, new tactics, new training methods. ''It only takes a minute ''Spurs'' to score a goal'' Phuck i am still on such a high this morning. I don't care about ''the sun'' such a low life newspaper, if it can be classed in that bracket, i don't care about ''talksport'' i gave up years ago with that radio (w@nk)station, Old fergie what a (unt that man is, They gave us four minutes [injury time], that's an insult to the game. It denies you a proper chance to win a football match." Add to that the 3 minutes on the first half that makes 7 + 90 = 97 that was enough time for US TO WIN A GAME, So up yours. :-)
spu 4 life
Block D Spurs - vital utd ''EMPTY'' most of the manu fans are still trying to get home to the south of england...........
spu 4 life
nomorewhlegends, srv.... Same here guys, watched it twice now, it's gong onto disc this afternoon as that's another excuse to rewatch. Ahhh married life was good while it lasted (until about 3pm me thinks)
thfc1882whl
Sweet Jesus - look again at Defoe, his reverse ball set up Bale's shot, saved Dempsey scored, he suprised me, i had him down for a shot. His running off the ball opened up Utd, for Bale to continue his run and Score, you can do just as much damage without the ball, as you can with it, Lennon work his socks off yesterday, In fact everyone did, that's WHY WE WON.
spu 4 life
What Sux, just clocked your post mate, thank you. No i was home in sunny cambridge, haha. I would have screamed the bar down, because when man u play it's full of them, Nicks bar on soi 7 pattaya.
spu 4 life
Just watching match of the day :)
Tottenham Hotcore
I thought 4 minutes added time was too much rather than too little. I was trying to remember what stoppages could have added up to 4 minutes, and couldn't. Fergie just a bad loser, sour grapes.
Hot_Spur
The Sun was right about us in turmoil ,,,we`re so against eachother & not playing for the manager the players decide to go & do a massive club protest by beating Manchester United at Old Trafford for the first time in 23 years ,the same year the Berlin Wall came down ,that`s how long ago it was .

AVB is a legend ,you shut people up with results ,this one is epic .Now don`t look back ,you have got the monkeys off your back .HA HA genius
big cockeral
Massive, massive win. 23 years of pain and cheating eliminated.My dream HAS come true.Man of the Match was the ref (I'm overcome with foy!) who was not intimidated by that miserable loser Fergie or the baying partisan crowd.The second M of M for me was AVB for his passion and tactics.I don't think Harry could have achieved that....we would have caved in towards the end. 4 mins+ of added time was a joke; there were NO stoppages in second half.Fergie is pathetic disgrace for trying to cheat us out of a hard fought victory.One of the best results in my 60 years of supporting the super Spurs.COYS.
wentworth
Hope Fergie realises how stupid he looks after them comments. But I doubt he will, years of getting his own way with refs means he really believes what he has bern cheated, ignoring the irony of how many undeserved wins he's been granted.
Tottenham Hotcore
To be honest, Fergie helped us bi time with his selection of old timers against our pace. Last season likes of Cleverly, Welbeck,Anderson played well. All were in bench along with Fletcher. We were lucky in second half. Having said that, with the desire & heart we showed yesterday, may be it would not have mattered who played for United yesterday. May be the Sun article came at right time to get the team fired up.
sydqcb5
Kyle Walker ‏@kyle28walker

Just landed back in London still buzzing from the win thought the gaffers tactics were stop on and all that in the paper is false #COYS
big cockeral
Guys, about the fergie comments about 4 minutes not being enough extra time that "denied his team the opportunity to win the game". He was having a laugh, mucking about. Seriously, didn't you get that? He was having a laugh at all the critics who go on about "fergie time" and how united always get more added time than other teams and get goals during that period.

I thought it was hilarious, and shows he has a good sense of humour.
warner__
GREAT WIN GUYS...cant believe i witnessed that, never seen it before. So many false dawsn, being at school when mendes scored getting stick, and all the other dodgy results. Even when weve had a better team a la last year, or played better we still lose. No Modric or VdV or Adebayor or Kaboul yet we still won.

Wentworth i dont think 'arry could have done that as he struggled to win matches without the aforementioned players even against lower quality opposition. Well played everyone, I also think AVB has handed Friedel Lloris sit well, but i genuinely think Lloris would have saved the first and when all the balls were flying in he would have claimed. However Friedel put in a solid performance thats what matter COYS Well done AVB
IGSpur
Watched the full video on the BBC, I take my post above back. I thought fergie was joking about the 4 minutes but apparently he was deadly serious.
warner__
Oh what a wonderful day today is. But tomorrow at work among all those Man U fans, will be even more special. Actuall, I think I can stretch it out until at least Thursday.
Bajan Spur
Hot_Spur Why am I a pra..tt? Is it because I have the audacity to prove you wrong, or because i have the temerity to have my own opinion which differs from yours. I find it a very sad state of affairs when a person such as yourself has to resort to personal insults. Everyone knows that when a person starts to shout and gets angry or resorts to puerile childish insults they have lost the argument. Your problem is that you are so pi$$ed off that Defoe played had a good game but you refuse to acknowledge that because it would mean you acting like an adult and eating a bit of humble pie, but instead you continue to slag him off and get annoyed when others rightly praise his game. Due to all your negativity about Spurs and certain players I wonder if you really are a Spurs supporter or just someone who likes the idea of being linked to a great club but has no idea about football and just says Oh I'm a Spurs supporter because it was the first name you pulled out of a hat to "support". You may have got to have been a Manure or Le arse "supporter" if we were lucky enough for you to have pulled them out of the hat first then you would be saying exactly the same sort of rubbish about one of their players instead. Hot_Spur WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE HAPPY AND PLEASED THAT WE WON AND THAT ALL, YES ALL THE TEAM PLAYED A GREAT PART IN THIS WIN AND WITHOUT JUST ONE OF THOSE PLAYERS WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD SUCH A GREAT RESULT.STOP YOUR CHILDISH WHINING AND CELEBRATE LIKE THE REST OF US.
chrishove123
@chrishove123 you don't sound like you're in a celebratory mood to be honest.
dazzwater
@Bajan Spur i actually had a couple of MU supporting colleagues email me with a pre-game taunt on friday. ohh there's gonna be so much fun on monday.
dazzwater
dazzwater Oh I am but when I read posts that put players down for no other reason than the poster has some sort of a grudge against them it tends to dampen my mood until I have got past it or answered the post. I haven't stopped reminding the whole family and friends on FB until they are sick of it that we won at OT and am still buzzing like a wasp on speed. LOL
chrishove123
TK, we don't necessarily go over a 1000 when we're upset, I think 800 + posts of mostly positive supportive stuff is refreshing
tengboon
Weird, my Man U fan friends actually went out of their way to congratulate me, and hoped that Fergie learned a lesson for not bolstering their midfield when they had the chance.
tengboon
I am going to watch the game again tonight and i will likely buy the DVD when it comes out
Madaboutspurs
Well done AVB - massive result for YOU and us FANS alike. You have succeeded to do in 2 months what Harry RedKrapp could not do it all his 4 years at Spurs (Or was that 3 years) I am so proud of you and Yes, slowly and steadily you are winning me over - BIG TIME. I liked the way you changed you approach against QPR to win the game and I particularly liked your substitutions against Manure, as Harry usually got those wrong (Can't understand why or how)... COYS
DaSPURS
As per Fergies comments regarding the injury time... can someone please inform him that WE DID WIN THE GAME, so I couldn't understand his point - "They gave us four minutes [injury time], that's an insult to the game. It denies you a proper chance to win a football match." - We were denied a PROPER CHANCE SO MANY TIMES TO WIN the GAME. Pedro Mendes 94th minute goal comes to mind, Sore Looser!!!
DaSPURS
I'm hoping the AVB sceptics on this site are at least re-evaluating thier opinion of AVB. To my mind the Jury is back in and he's guilty of being the manager to take us forward to the next level. Despite the stuttering start and the press hounding he's had to take he's stuck to his principles and given our team the cohesion it lacked in the first 2-3 games. As far as MANURE is concerned, finally justice has been done and the more it frustrates Turdy Fergi the better. Suck on that!!
SPUDMAN
Monday afternoon....still grinning!!! COYS !
ro6ertj
great win for us :-)
Madaboutspurs
 

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