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Crying Wolf

One thing I haven't seen discussed about the Villa game is Bale's obvious, not to say embarassing, dive.

Trying to argue diving is only wrong when the other teams do it is a bit too hypocritical for me, as far as I'm concerned he should have been punished. This isn't the first time Bale has hit the deck without being touched and ultimately I think it will cost the club. You only have to look at Suarez's situation - his reputation for diving is such that the referees main concern is not being conned.

Consequently he is most unlikely to ever get a legitimate penalty and this has already cost Liverpool this season. It seems to me Bale is going down the same road, there will come a point where referees stop giving him penalties almost regardless of the foul because of his reputation as a diver. AVB needs to take him to one side and make it clear going down when you haven't been touch! ed is just not acceptable.

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Writer:jod
Date:Tuesday October 9 2012
Time: 1:40PM

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Err we were discussing it much of yesterday in the vs villa thread. Also off topic forum re Saurez.
spurdon
09/10/2012 13:45:00
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SECOND dive from him this season isn't it?
olliewebb
09/10/2012 13:46:00
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In these situations, I would like to hear what these players have to see. Just want to hear their defense, if they have one. I saw Suarez dive yesterday, it was just laughable. As for Bale I feel so let down. Such a skill full player and this is the last thing I expect from such players. Single reason why dont buy his shirts.
sydqcb5
09/10/2012 13:48:00
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Yea he's taking this Ronaldo imitation thing too far with the diving. Would rather he just copied the 50 goals a season bit.
Guyver
09/10/2012 13:51:00
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there is nothing i hate more in the game than diving. It's cowardly, dis-honest and shows no respect for yourself, the oppostion, the fans and the game of football in general. It needs to be addressed and players need to be severely punished when it is clear that they have dived. It is blatent cheating!!!
TomSpurs
09/10/2012 13:51:00
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Bale is interesting because he has changed his approach. When he broke into the game he used to ride tackles he should have gone to turf for. Then that mug Charlie Adam broke his leg and he started jumping out of them and going straight over. I think Adam should serve any suspensions he gets for diving and have to pay his fines. There sorted.
spurdon
09/10/2012 13:54:00
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It is me, or is Bale trying to act more Spanish in order to ready himself for a move to Spain? He definitely is diving more, and he appeals for absolutely everything with a Welsh-stroke-Latin gesture... He is auditioning for Spanish Idol...
TonyRich
09/10/2012 14:00:00
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Agree Spurdon. It's difficult to imagine what it's like to go out every week with the opposition taking turns to try and cripple you. Jumping clear of a wreckless sliding tackle to avoid injury probably becomes second nature. I'd like to think that Sunday's was a jump/trip rather than an intentional dive and to give him credit, he didn't appeal for the foul, but it was embarassing! I think on balance I'd prefer him to carry on rather than risk serious injury, but he needs to improve his timing!
ParkLane67
09/10/2012 14:05:00
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I think that is what he did on this one Spurdon... expected contact so got his feet off the floor and it never came... made him look like a bit of a mug but despite hating diving i'd rather see him get the hell out of the way and not get injured. The pace he's running at and the slightest touch is enough to make him hit the deck as he is tall so doesn't have a low centre of gravity like a player like Lennon... I suppose Ronaldo would fall into the same category though i've watched him play a bit recently and seems to be quite honest in his play now, as you rightly say i suppose if you're scoring 50 goals a season why wouldn't you be!
SanchezSpur
09/10/2012 14:05:00
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This was also the worst sort of dive... It was one to try to get the keeper sent off. Thus ruining the game as a spectacle. The thing I did not like was that he stayed down. I would have more credit for him if he got up straight away - because he felt no contact. Guzan did well by "drawing the dive" and retracting his leg. Bale needs to watch out because he may find defenders doing the same trick. I did notice that much much much more is made of the Suarez incident.... But then again, Suarez has a long varied history of cheating...
TonyRich
09/10/2012 14:07:00
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I know that his prior responses have been that he goes to ground to avoid the challenge and possible injury but in this case he could have quit easily have jumped over the expected challenge. That being said, at least he did ot jump up will his arms flailing like Basil Fawlty looking for the foul.
I agree with jod, he needs to be told enough is enough or the whole team faces repurcusions in the form of blown calls by the refs.
miamispur
09/10/2012 14:13:00
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Cheating is cheating, irrespective of whether you're a first time offended or repeated offender there is no place in the game for cheating. Divers frustrate me the most but I also hate to see players waving the imaginary yellow/red card. Why the game cannot be reviewed afterwards and bans/fines applied for cheats like an incident where the officials have missed such as serious foul play. As soon as there is a deterrent the number of incidents will decrease...Simple!!
yiddyboy
09/10/2012 14:18:00
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Bloody foreigners!!
Bluedub
09/10/2012 14:19:00
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i was the first to criticise him for it during the match and I am really all for retrospective action, however, i have watched the clip a few times now and i have to say I think that there was more than an degree of his trying to avoid the collision rather than just feigning. Bale is targeted immensely in games and because he tends to be going at an unreal pace when he is taken out it is much more likely to cause longer term injuries, which he has already experienced. He has spoken about the need to avoid impact in interviews and i think that when you watch it at real speed that is what is going through his mind. he didn't jump up and demand the keeper be sent off or even really claim the foul. he does dive sometimes for sure and i hate it, but he also just gets out the way too sometimes and that also involves going to ground. i have never seen Bale apply mid-air contortions a la suarez though, nor does he make such a theatrical song and dance demanding cards etc. it is an unfortunate trend to be sure and one I hope he reverses soon, but to be fair on the lad, he is a long way from the histrionics of suarez
Guernman
09/10/2012 14:19:00
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SanchezSpur I totally agree, no one has the right to tell you to stand there and get bones broken by players not fit to lace your boots. ParkLane67 it didn't look good though did it as you say much better timing needed.
spurdon
09/10/2012 14:20:00
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All this talk of going to ground to stop injury is bollox. He dived, he dives, he'll dive again. The dive yesterday was bang out of order as it could have seen their goalie sent off and i see no other reason for him to have done it. When i see the likes of Suarez do it i want them punished for it so i have to keep the same opinion for Bale. The punishment should be equal to what the punishment would have been for the player they are trying to get a card. If he'd conned the ref yesterday the goalie would have seen red so i think it's fair that the diver gets red. Harsh? maybe, but it would stop it. Managers would sure as hell tell their players to stop doing it for fear of going down to ten men. It would help towards protecting players such as Bale when they get the type of tackles they get from the likes of Adam as Ref's would have it easier.
Himwhatwhats
09/10/2012 14:22:00
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For those arguing he was trying to avoid a collision, just think about it. If he stays on his feet then either the goalkeeper fouls him and gets sent off or Bale has the ball and the keeper is stranded miles from goal. Football is meant to be a contact sport, diving to avoid imaginaryy tackles is not meant to be part of the game.
jod
09/10/2012 14:24:00
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It did look bad and the excuse of expecting to be hit doesn't stand up either. Excuse pun. The great George Best was clattered regularly by licenced thugs masquarading as footballers but rarely went down. He could ride those wild tackles like a surf-boarder. Gareth should watch some of his videos and learn to anticipate the hit and go with it.
Love totty
09/10/2012 14:25:00
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Carroll did virtually the same thing against Newcastle and got a yellow for it. If that was another teams player you'd all be saying he's a cheat..ie Suarez. It's double standards. I'm all for protecting your own but sometimes you have to hold your hands up and se what's in front of you. The boy's one hell of a player and he gets kicked a lot game after game but the fact remains, he dives.
Himwhatwhats
09/10/2012 14:28:00
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I agree with earlier posts, it will end up hurting him and us. Ref's watch that kind of thing and make note of it. There'll come a time where he is fouled, in the box, but won't get anything for it because there will be doubt.
Himwhatwhats
09/10/2012 14:31:00
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The ref gave nothing, so I thought that according to dump FA "rules" they can still punish Bale for it..... And they should. However, I have now learnt that the same dumb FA "rules" mean that they cannot punish him because the ref saw it and chose not to punish anyone. The is why Huth's stamp CANNOT be punished. The ref saw the APPALLING stamp (that left stud marks!) and chose not to punish him. Case closed.
TonyRich
09/10/2012 14:35:00
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@Love Totty, Best gave as good as he got, just ask Glyn Pardoe amongst many others. Best was an exceptional footballer but he could be just as big a thug as many others from his era.
Bluedub
09/10/2012 14:36:00
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Jod, I agree he had nothing to lose there by trying to stay on his feet. Was just a heavy touch that went out of play, but had he flicked it passed Guzan then he has a run on goal from a wide area to make a chance. He needed to be a bit braver. Not sure he deserved a card as was expecting the tackle that didn't come. Sometimes it is not a foul, but also not a card. He just looked a dick at the time. He will be suitably embarrassed I am sure.
COYS R US
09/10/2012 14:41:00
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How care u compare the piece of trash that is Saurez to Bale? Diving, fouls bad linesman calls are all part of the game. It's been here since before we were born and the greatest names in the game have cheated. Maradonna, Henry, Ronaldo are some of the biggest names to have cheated their way to glory. How about we let the corrupt refs or the farce of an FA deal with it?
Mix26
09/10/2012 14:44:00
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@Mix, because both have cheated, I would've thought that was obvious. ps shouldn't the title of the article be Crying Chimp?
Bluedub
09/10/2012 14:47:00
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Aaah Bluedub take a walk down the tunnel u beginning to make the air stink around here....
Mix26
09/10/2012 14:55:00
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Mix26 - you would not like it if Walcott did the same to Lloris and causing Lloris to get sent off... unless it was England vs France as opposed to Spurs vs Arsenal! That is exactly the point. We would rather that NO ONE did this. Let's start by cleaning up our own club. One reason to be proud to be a Spurs fan is that our team is NEVER dirty. Other teams may cheat, but we do not. We are usually high up in the fair play league. Yes people push the envelope, but Bale was pushing far too much there. Trying to get someone sent off is plain wrong - UNLESS they deserve it - which Guzan clearly did not. There IS no game if it is not played with an acceptable level of fairness.
TonyRich
09/10/2012 15:00:00
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Bale & others who cheat should get a 3 match after game ban .Why they don`t do trial by video is beyond me .Who cares what the ref did or did not see ,if the evidence is as clear cut as that then punishment should arrive next .Everybody saw it but nothing is done .So what`s to stop it happening again ? nothing .
big cockeral
09/10/2012 15:30:00
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There is no excuse for this. It needs to be dealt with by the club as there is no will at the League level. AVB should tell him straight out, next dive, you're off. I'd have pulled him straight away the other day. Not onlt was it embarrassing (and don't tell me that dive was to avoid potential injury) it could have seen the keeper shown red and then what? This is cheating, pure and simple. When Zokora did it, he was lamabested (rightly) on all of the Spurs forums I read. Bale should receive no better treatment. He doesn't need to do that. Unacceptable.

It is also time for the league to retroactively suspend players. Suspend Bale and other divers 2 games. Make it stick. Make teams pay for it. Force officials to make the call on the pitch. When not a 50-50 or a ball first situation, there needs to be a card. Someone is getting it. Bale poked the ball by butt the keeper never even touched him, or got close to touching him. Kagawa was going down long before any contact with Dembele, which he initiated in his fall. These acts cannot be tolerated.

I didn't see much of the post game press conferences - was AVB asked about it? The players, teams, league all need to be accountable. COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 15:36:00
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It doesn't matter who you are, cheating diminishes you as a player, and a person. Did Pele cheat? Did Bobby Charlton? Tom Finney? Jimmy Greaves? Stan Matthews? Bobby Moore? Eusabio? Puskas? There are NO mitigating circumstances or weasel worded excuses. Perhaps our greatest Welsh winger ever might take his modern counterpart to one side, and tell him how disgusted he is by his antics?
lordjohnny
09/10/2012 15:38:00
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Avoiding the impact is a complete red herring. He could just as easily have jumped up to avoid the impact but he chose to go to ground in a spectacular fashion. I expect better. COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 15:41:00
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Guernman, Ronaldo has always, IMO, taken more shots than most and continues to do so. He is fouled game in and game out. Some quite blatant, but he does not go to ground in the fashion Bale does. It's embarrassing and often with no contact at all. I hate the way Hazard plays the foul rather than playing the game, but at least he waits for the contact to go down. Suspend the lot of those who cheat. I really wish there were an official who could look at plays as they happened and get the calls right. Whether goals, dives etc. Blatant dive should be a straight red. COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 15:47:00
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Wishful thinking LJ, it's endemic in the game atm which is a shame.
Crissybwoy
09/10/2012 15:48:00
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Bale needs to man the fack up, challenges are part and parcel of the game. I recall an interview of his where he saying he doesnt dive but gets out of the way of challenge to avoid injury. I can understand that to an extent, but had he carried on with the momentum on sunday he either would have come away with the ball with a free goal to aim at or the keeper would have a chopped him down and seen red early in the game. He needs to grow a pair and take one for the team at times and stop being a pu55y COYMFS!!! BTW Scotland with Charlie Adams vs Wales this week...lets hope bale gets a mystery illness and withdraws from the squad cant be having him miss the Chavski game cos of that ugly thug
JattYid
09/10/2012 15:54:00
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Too true Tony hence the frustration at comparing any of our players to such scum as Ballotelli for example... I'm not by any means condoning what Bale did but in any sport u have to push the boundaries of the rules. Look at Holt for example, he is an annoying cf who gets away with sooo many silly little challenges that merit a foul but the ref does nothing??? If Bale dived in the fa cup final and we won on that goal then who will complain? Perhaps we deserve to receive a little luck rather stick for once.
Mix26
09/10/2012 15:54:00
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Too many misdemeanours such as diving, swearing, shirt pulling etc go unpunished because the game would end up five-a-side if yellow cards were shown. I floated the idea recently that players should get black marks which don't get them sent off but accumulate into league points deduction for the team. That would soon sort it.
Love totty
09/10/2012 15:57:00
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I can't believe some one said in effect "they never managed to cripple George best so he should not go down" Well lucky old George! Bale has had a bone broken and is obviously nervous of the contact. Yes he needs to cut out the theatrics but I stand by he has the right to try and avoid perceived danger.
spurdon
09/10/2012 16:07:00
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Tony Pulis was spot on when he said players diving makes refs jobs 10 times harder. We all blast a ref for getting a wrong call but it has to work both ways. If a player is trying to con an official surley that increases the chances of a ref making a bad call. Players should respect officiating. Its hard enough to call every incident right let alone trying to deal with simulation.
spurfect one
09/10/2012 16:09:00
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Can we please stop bringing up Pulis like he's some kind of ******** "God of Fair Play". The man is as crooked as anyone out there, his teams don't even play football.
Crissybwoy
09/10/2012 16:13:00
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Spurdon - I can't believe that someone could use "speech marks" to signify a quote and then say something completely different. LOL
Love totty
09/10/2012 16:15:00
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Crissyboy. I only agreed on one certain opinion of his. Does it mean i think he is "the God of Fair Play"? Hell no
spurfect one
09/10/2012 16:24:00
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No Crissybwoy it's not wishful thinking. Everything I said was not wish fulfilment, it was stating the bleeding obvious. If you cheat, you are less of a player and a person. Those I listed did not cheat. They were the greats of the game. For those who have cheated, including Maradona, they cannot be up there with the best. And whether or not it is commonplace is irrelevant. Ultimately it is the responsibility of the individual to decide not to cheat, and have the morals to abide by that code. Managers who acquiesce or turn a blind eye, defend or even encourage such behaviour are complicit, which in turn tarnishes their achievements. When all is said and done, when you are remembered after you've stopped playing, do you want that caveat "....yeah, but he was a cheating diving ****", no matter how many medals you pick up?
lordjohnny
09/10/2012 16:25:00
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spurfect, wasn't having a dig mate, just he's been mentioned a few times on here the last couple of days by various people. I respect the fact that he spoke out about it, but on the same token it's laughable coming from him. He didn't mention Huth stamping on Suarez, maybe he didn't see it like our friend 'specsavers' in the dugout down the road at the scum.
Crissybwoy
09/10/2012 16:27:00
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LJ, it's wishful thinking with regards to the fact that there isn't going to be a solution to it anytime soon, there should be, but there won't be. The clever players will still dive just like they always have, if there's contact it's hard to tell how much contact warrants going to ground. Some players find diving totally acceptable, that's where the "win at all costs" mentality has taken it too far imo.
Crissybwoy
09/10/2012 16:30:00
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Yeah, Spurdon, lets have two types of football. One for those who abide by the laws and accept it is a contact sport, and one for the mystic meg community who wish to 'anticipate' challenges by giving it the full dead parrot impersonation to 'avoid perceived danger'. Oooh, euphemism overload.
lordjohnny
09/10/2012 16:37:00
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There seems to be a key point missed here, usually when Bale goes down under a foul he puts his arm up and claims a foul, against Villa he didn't he simply laughed it off, I think he was expecting contact and went down to prevent injury, it never happened and he laughed it off.

I hope if I am right that Refs are made aware of the fact that he might choose to go down and recognize the difference between a claim for a foul and an escape.
stu_u2k
09/10/2012 16:39:00
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We can't call anyone for cheating when in Bale we have a major culprit. I know that when you are going at the speed he usually does, it is wise to try and vault tackles, to prevent injury as often the challenges are late. That is one aspect but it doesn't excuse the blatant diving that he is guilty of from time to time. AVB needs to have a serious word as it can come back to bite you as Suarez is now finding out. It does neither Bale or the club any credit, and must stop.
Frank
09/10/2012 16:42:00
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"dead parrot impersonation" lol
Guyver
09/10/2012 16:45:00
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Bale didn't dive to get a player booked or sent off though, he got out the way. Yes it is splitting hairs a little, but there is a difference, he wasn't trying to gain an advantage. He had a 6'4" player running full-tilt at him.
Crissybwoy
09/10/2012 16:46:00
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Crissybwoy-Without labouring the point, do we regard these players who dive as 'clever'? Sure, in the short term they gain an advantage, but ultimately they have been shown up to be cheats.
lordjohnny
09/10/2012 16:49:00
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I agree though, Bale is taking the "avoid contact" thing to the extremes. This is a contact sport, a sport that has been watered down in favour of the attacking player, from previous decades. You don't see leg breaking tackles every week anymore.
Guyver
09/10/2012 16:51:00
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Mix, I cannot agree with you on that one. It's cheating plain and simple and it should not be condoned for our players or any other players. To do as you suggest takes any complaining away from Spurs and will mean that when you play Chelsea, ManU or any of the other habitual diving teams, you may as well expect that you are going to get shafted every time. Eradicate it for all. We have the technology. All that is missing is the will to do so. It has gotten so bad that players who try to avoid tackles and jump out of the way and wind up going down as a result of the contact are getting carded for simulation. At no point were they simulating, yet they got a card because there is no longer any benefit of the doubt. I remeber Michael Owen slipping about 5 years ago in the box. He jumped up immediately and gestured to the official that there was no penalty. The official still gave the penalty. Even honesty is not enough.

Anyway, Villa took care of Bale later in the game. That shot he took at midfield where his feet were pushed out from under him when he went up for a header was retribution. Watch how the contact goes right through his upper legs undetected by the official. He's lucky he did not have his ankle done. COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 16:52:00
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We don't LJ, the players regard themselves as clever if they manage to gain an advantage. Remember Suarez handball V Ghana, disgusting play, yet in his home country he's feted for that moment, when he should actually be fetid.
Crissybwoy
09/10/2012 16:52:00
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Crissy, sorry was not aware of the previous comments you mentioned. I agree he is a hypocrite with the way stoke play.

As for bale hes diving is getting embarrassing. I watch suarez and cringe, hope it never gets to that stage with bale

spurfect one
09/10/2012 16:57:00
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stu_u2k- That's priceless. Next time Bale goes down perhaps the man in black might ask whether that was for real or pre-emptive 'escape', and check whether he's laughing it off? Might actually be simpler if he wasn't such a diving cheating tw*t, and giving himself and the club a bad name, as his shameful antics on Sunday showed. And, someone from the club, management or otherwise should issue a statement deploring this sort of thing. The silence is depressingly predictable.
lordjohnny
09/10/2012 16:58:00
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Disgusting? I'd have done what Suarez done if I was playing for England. I didnt see it as cheating, he wasnt trying to deceive anyone. Its something LOADS of players have done, remember Robbie Keane getting sent off for it against Bolton, only difference is the timing and that its a knock out competition. Thought people blew that 1 out of proportion due to Ghana being the last African representative in the tournament.
Guyver
09/10/2012 16:59:00
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The two recent innovations that have crept into the game in order to cheat, that I personally find most annoying, and frustrating, are diving and shirt tugging, and I think both are being encouraged by the fact that they are largely ignored by referees. Diving is simulation therefore ungentlemanly conduct, and should be punished by a yellow card, or as some suggest a red card, whether seen during the game or by video evidence later. Shirt tugging is becoming blatant often right in front of the referee, and is largely ignored, again it is cheating and should be penalised. Until players start to suffer suspensions and missing games for either offence, it will continue largely with the consent of clubs as well. Rodger's attempt at defending Suarez's comedy dive v Stoke was a disgrace. Clubs nd managers have to admit the problem and stamp it out. We jump on overly physical tackles even when the player wins the ball nowadays, yet we tolerate these divas diving asround.
Frank
09/10/2012 16:59:00
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Crissybwoy, he did not need to throw himself to ground the way he did. Simply getting up in the air would have prevented any of the planted foot contact from occurring. Players manage to do it in rugby, hockey, basketball and some do it in football. The way he did it was to create a doubt in the mind of the official. He did not go and apologize to Guzan nor did he let the ref know he was just avoiding the contact. It looked really bad for a split second. If I were really worried about an injury, I would have just left the ball and not gone to every length to toepoke the ball past him before going down in a heap. Please don't justify what he did. It just enables them. COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 17:01:00
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Crissy, there is a huge difference between Suarez's handball against Ghana. he knew what he was doing. Did nothing to hide it. Knew what the punishment was and made a calculated choice to handle the ball and take away the scoring chance. I have no issue with what Suarez did in that game and would expect any player to do the same if there was no way to stop the shot legally. It was a goal but for the handball. He knew there would be a PK and knew he was going to the showers and would be missing the next game. He made a choice and as I mentioned, did nothing to hide it. Like hauling down a player on a breakaway in hockey, you know what the result will be. Every foul is against the rules. Some have stiffer consequences. Deliberate hand ball is a red card. Shame Nani did not get one when Gomes had the "advantage". COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 17:07:00
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So Bale getting out the way of maybe getting battered is cheating, but a deliberate handball on the goal-line in the last minute that prevented a winning goal isn't? Interesting perspective you have there Guyver, I guess my finger isn't on the pulse of what's acceptable and what isn't. At the very least it's incredibly poor sportsmanship, what's the difference?
Crissybwoy
09/10/2012 17:09:00
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Frank, if players wanted shirt-tugging to be eradicated they could do so just as it was done in rugby. Make the shirts so tight that you really could not grab it unless the player was stationary. I rarely had my shirt grabbed in rugby unless it was a collar or in the scrum. Very rare. Under Armour makes some fabulous skin-tight products that are warm and weather resistant. In fact, it's ironic that the gear they wear under their kits is essentially ungrabbable during open play. COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 17:12:00
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peterb, I'd never try to justify any kind of dive, it's not what I want to see from any Spurs player ever, I'm just putting the other side of the debate across, standard. My point was that he wasn't necessarily trying to gain an advantage. It was less shameful than when Zokora won a penalty for his swan-dive, THAT was gaining an advantage. The alternative is that Bale takes every tackle like a man, and then I look forward to the 10 games a year we can watch him when he isn't on crutches.
Crissybwoy
09/10/2012 17:13:00
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Crissy, all fouls are unsporting. Some fouls are cheating. A mis-timed tackle is cheating and is dangerous play, but there is no intent. Suarez did what he meant to do and did nothing to deceive anyone about what had happened. He was sent off for deliberately handling the ball. An offense that is clearly outlined in the rules. He didn't cheat. COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 17:16:00
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Crissy, there should be no difference of opinion here. He took a dive. Unacceptable. The only difference here was that the official did not "buy" the dive unlike when Zokora did it. Had the ref bought it, it would have been a sending off for the keeper. Both acts are equally shameful. Zokora never did it again in a Spurs kit. Bale continues to do it, to the point where no official believes him. It is more shameful, IMO, because Bale has not stopped it and the coaches have not seen to it that it does not occur again. COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 17:20:00
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Above I meant to say that a mis-timed tackle is against the rules and is dangerous play, but there is no intent. COYS
peterballb
09/10/2012 17:22:00
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Ok fair enough Suarez didn't cheat, but the point stands, I don't want to see that sort of play from any of our players either. You can't say some odious parts of the game are more or less acceptable than others, either it's all bad and un-sportsmanlike or it isn't, there's no grey areas for me.
Crissybwoy
09/10/2012 17:27:00
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Fair comment Peterballb, perhaps the governing bodies should be looking at that. I think it is their responsibility rather than the players. Having said that it still baffles me that a referee can fail to see a shirt being pulled off the back of a player right under their nose, and fail to penalise it, especially as it is common at corners and should therefore result in a penalty. If teams started to concede penalties, and lose games, then managers would see that it stopped.
Frank
09/10/2012 17:27:00
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Yep, shirt pulling is another one that has become a regular part of the game too. Some examples iv'e seen of it recently have been unbelievable, right under the ref's nose. There was one in the Newcastle - Utd game that the ref was looking right at and did nothing. If a player is running down the wing and the defender chasing him grabs hold of his shirt the ref will blow up for it but at corners and free kicks it's acceptable? The longer they go on unpunished the more it becomes "just part of the game"
Himwhatwhats
09/10/2012 17:27:00
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Crissybwoy, difference is, diving is rightfully seen as cheating, anywhere, any time. Its trying to fool the referee, get another player carded/sent off, win a penalty that should not have been given. Its just cheating. Intentional handball on the line is done all the time and nobody says anything about it, you can't suddenly call it cheating just because its the final minute of a game. He receives his red, a penalty is given. He broke the rules and paid the price. Not too dissimilar to being the last man and pulling down an attacker who is through on goal, in the last minute. You can call it poor sportsmanship, but its just not on the same level as conning the ref. If I genuinely thought Bale was trying to avoid the perceived incoming tackle, id agree with you, but I don't, im obviously talking about diving here.
Guyver
09/10/2012 17:29:00
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No time for divers unless they are submerged in water!
mountainyid
09/10/2012 17:30:00
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wasted my time posting that, should have simply typed well said Peter!
Guyver
09/10/2012 17:33:00
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Frank - the problem is that no referee is going to dish out red and yellow cards for these "minor" misdemeanours. They'd be off the list in no time for ruining the "product". Players know they will ususally get warnings so everyone can can have at least one cheating moment if it's not too blatant. We need a new punishment regime to tackle this.
Love totty
09/10/2012 17:36:00
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"Bloody foreigners!!" wrote Bluedub.

Yes, we know the lad is Welsh, but that's not all that foreign.

But seriously, Bale dives just enough that he's apt not to get the legitimate calls by the officials against the opposition when they hack him. That's a heavy price to pay. The more he dives, the safer it becomes for others to hack him violently. For his own health, stop the diving, Gareth!

Total knobhead
09/10/2012 17:37:00
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TK, exactly right, so not only Bale suffers but the team. It's up to AVB to bollock him and stop it. In the end we will be worse off if he continues.
Frank
09/10/2012 17:43:00
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Frank doing his best to label our team and players as usual... Peter my point is that players will always bend the rules! Name me a sport that has nothing of the above? I love how posters that have NEVER even played football call our players cheaters for tugging shirts or going down in the tackle easy. Climb off your high horse ffs! The ref is there for a reason and meant to ref a fair game. If a player breaks the law and gets caught then suffer the aftermath.
Mix26
09/10/2012 17:50:00
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