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Tottenham Hotspur vs. Wigan Athletic.

Sitting 15th in the league, a usual relegation struggle looks likely for Roberto Martinez and his team, however, I am yet again highly entertained by the way they play their football and also how Martinez manages to sign quality players for next to nothing, as he looks to maintain Wigan's position in the division. Though Wigan are hardly looking like world-beaters, you have to admire the work Martinez has done to date, and I wonder whether the likes of Liverpool, Villa and perhaps even Spurs wonder if they should have looked more seriously at the Spaniard who seems to have been overlooked for so many 'bigger' jobs for others, who perhaps haven't achieved as much domestically as he has.

For all my praise of Martinez, I still believe this is a game for Spurs to lose, not Wigan to win. However after recent disappointments and regular making hard work off what should be comfortable games, you still feel that Spurs have to up their game and play with 90 minute consistency to maintain their supposed good start. At the moment, this season reminds me a little of 2005/06, when we received the plaudits for playing great football, but to me, were often grinding our results as opposed to beating teams with wonderful football or clever tactics. Do we blame, the players for not performing, a manager for getting his tactics and selections wrong or a Chairman for nor buying the right players? You can take your pick, but when we look at the table and see us in 4th, I suppose, we don't have too much to complain about.

What will again be interesting is who AVB selects tomorrow. Friedel or Lloris? Defoe or Adebayor? Sigurdsson or Dempsey? Perhaps we could also offer the merits of Iago Falque for either of the last two, such was his impression in mid-week at Carrow Road? Though it is claimed he will play, will we see Steven Caulker following his possible charges in Serbia? There are several questions for us to consider and debate between now and the teams being announced, which again, I suppose is a positive, that we have options in so many areas.

Frustratingly, we will again be without Moussa Dembele, who may even require surgery, if we believe certain media. Benoit Assou-Ekotto still doesn't appear to be ready to play, and Jake Livermore is a doubt, which to some might be a good thing, such is the criticism he sadly receives, but with Dembele and Parker potentially both out for some time, we are quite short of physical presence and bite in the middle of the park and I suppose we have to pray that we keep Sandro fit and in form for a few more weeks at least.

I don't think Villas-Boas will make too many changes from the side that tried their best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory against Southampton last week, and rightly or wrongly I expect to see Friedel, Gallas and Defoe back in the starting line up, with Lloris and Adebayor on the bench and Vertonghen again at left back, should Caulker be okay. Perhaps it wouldn't be my pick, as I would start with Lloris, Adebayor and Naughton at LB and Vertonghen alongside Caulker, but I think we will go with, Friedel; Walker, Gallas, Caulker, Vertonghen; Huddlestone, Sandro; Lennon, Dempsey, Bale; Defoe. Either way, my main wish is to see Tottenham play to a consistently high level over 90 mins and I don't care of it ends 9-1 or 1-0, just as long as we can see us play as we know we can, but to date, we have only seen stop/start displays and that is my biggest frustration so far...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday November 2 2012

Time: 4:41PM

Your Comments

first!!! Ade's got to play and get some minutes tomorrow! Oh, and Hugo to start :)
silver_inca
Kranjkaaaaaar its NINE!!!!!
JattYid
Im going for a 2-1 win, same script as usually, but with the forthcoming fixtures we really do need to win this game, and I hope we play Defoe and Ade up top, this is Wigan at home, not Utd away.
Ossie
Those days are far away Jatt
Ossie
Bale to rip them another one 2moro...Ade to come of the bench and seal his starting place for next weeks trip to Maine Road COYMFS!!!
JattYid
Ossie i still watch the 9-1 highlights on me fone :).....when we got fully fit squad to choose from the shackles will come off and we will see the real AVB offensive unit come into play COYMFS
JattYid
Ade has to get some game time tomorrow as he's the one to hold the line at Citeh next! Otherwise with Defoe we'll be defending like crazy for 90 minutes!
silver_inca
It is high time we had a really emphatic home win, and performance. This is our last fixture for a while against a relegation candidate, it will mean that we have played all of the bottom 6, with sterner tests to come. To coin a phrase we must "fill our boots".
Frank
Sorry Ox I'm all for supporting our players but I don't know why you stick up for Livermore, he just doesn't offer anything! People were quick to slate Jenas but at least he scored the odd goal! As soon as Hudd replaced him at half time against Norwich we looked better albeit we lost in the end. Every time I see him in the team I expect a loss as we don't look the same team with him in midfield. Am I being extremely harsh? Maybe, however the proof is in the pudding as they say. When he plays, Spurs don't seem to have the cutting edge and quality in midfield. My opinion of course.... COYS!
gazzalegend
Anyone fan of Hyuna can take a glimpse at the clip at Video: Villas-Boas Wants To Focus on Football :D
what_sux
I just hope to get 3 points for this game, although I would like to see Falque, Adebayor, Naughton and Lloris some game time.
what_sux
Agree with everyone wanting Falque, I think he's ready. Would play him ahead of Siggy and maybe Dempsey behind the striker roaming. Ideally though my team at home would be 4,4,2... do we need to pack the midfield at home to Wigan? Lloris, Walker, Gallas, Caulker, Vert, Lennon, Sandro,Siggy/Hudd, Bale, Ade, Defoe. This team would rip them apart! COYS!
gazzalegend
Wigan are a bit of a loose canon, either play badly or can beat anybody on their day, usually later in the season when they are struggling against relegation. Hopefully we can get all 3 points tomorrow. Definitely would like to see Lloris in goal for this. Ade/Falque to get at least 30 minutes playing in the 2nd half. Taking off Dempsey/Siggy....hope Dembele doesn't need surgery for that hip, missing him in the middle of field. Lloris, Vert, Caulker, Dawson, Gallas/Daws (either Capt), Walker, Bale, Siggy, Sandro, Lennon, Dempsey, Defoe.
mountainyid
Gazzalegend, you are absolutely right about Livermore, he might be a nice lad, and keen etc. but he isn't, and never will be, good enough bless him. For him to wear a Spurs MFer shirt is a travesty, given the calibre of many of his predessors. Surely the powers be will realise what is obvious, that for the club, and the player's sake, he should be sold either to a lower PL team, or a good championship side. He will always be a decent, but never an outstanding or great player.
Frank
gazzalegend, I agree with you that we should really play these sort of home matches with 4-4-2. I just don't see why we opt for a defensive looking team, at home and against the lower ranked teams. Regardless of who is fit, I believe we have good enough players to play that formation and get a more convincing result. AND pleeaase AVB, no more defending a lead malarkey! COYS!
Critical_Spur
Sorry to be a harbinger of doom but if Dembele's injury is as bad as some are saying, we are in deep trouble. We have been very lucky to scrape by without him. And re that other Fulham "reject", I was always a fan of Dempsey and thought he was a very underrated player. He's certaqinly got more in his locker than Defoe but I feel is not being played properly and will lose confidence if we're not careful. Right thats enough of that. Coys!!
Gazzaron
think you meant dembele?!! :0)
Critical_Spur
ignore my post gazzaron, I'll get my reading glasses. Lol!
Critical_Spur
@Totalknobhead, Hoping that you doing fine. And that all is in good order for you and your company.
Arky
I'm worried that the present lack of convincing wins is beginning to frustrate Bale and I can see him buzzing off if we don't get a decent front man.He has to do it all himself these days;crossing to Defoe is a waste of time.Maybe if Ade is up for it, we can have a few crosses in the air.
wentworth
COME ON YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN !!!!
Madaboutspurs
I'd like a 4 4 2 tomorrow but can't see it happening. And it's not sad that Jake Livermore receives criticism... It's sad that a player as poor as Livermore is in our first-team and plays as often as he does.
TopSpur13
Ox, you may not care if it ends 1-0, but I can't take any more hanging on till the end. It doesn't do my heart any good. Can't we just win one 3-0 with all the goals in the first half hour followed by pretty position football for the last hour
In-spurs-ational
A backlash against the last few poor results would be great 5 0 to Spurs.
chrishove123
So what is happening with Coulibaly nowadays. He was supposed to be our next great goalscorer? Please don't start on the too young thing as Rooney was playing first team football for Everton at 16. If he wants to give the younger players a start why not play him in the EL to see how he shapes up, then if he is any good he can be eased into the first team. Just a thought as he was being hailed as brilliant when we bought him so much so that he was told that he would definitely be involved in first team football during that season when he arrived. It turns out to be yet another player lied to and conned by HR and or DL.
chrishove123
chrishove - You are making some pretty serious accusations there against HR and DL, based purely on assumption. Coulibaly has not progressed as well as was first hoped. He was signed based on one outstanding performance in the under 17 World Cup. Since that time his performances have gradually dropped off. I've watched him several times recently, including the game against Barcelona at WHL a few weeks ago, his performance was very poor. He's not even making a good impression in the under 17's, let alone the first team, he's a very long way from that. Regarding Rooney, he was a very rare exception, just because Rooney was good enough at 16, how many others are?
Hot_Spur
reckon 1-0, we'll struggle in the middle of the park with no dembele, and despite hudd looking much improved in the last two games, his immobility and lack of fitness will see us struggle. Think we'll grind out a win though, as we have been doing all season, wigan will make it tough for us, no walkeover. Anyway, COYS!
COYS_TSB
I think in future we should dominate games without scoring for 89 minutes, then score on 89 minutes. That way we only have to defend for 1 minute instead of 45 minutes.
Hot_Spur
Think we'll play this: Freidel, Walker, Gallas, Caulker, Vertenghen, Sandro, Huddlestone, Lennon, Dempsey, Bale, Defoe. That's AVB's preffered line-up, but I hope at least one of Lloris or Ade or Naughton started, preferably Ade!
COYS_TSB
would love to see Defoe up top with Ade in the hole, we'll destroy Wigan if we play this, as last season we did the same only with Saha instead of JD , and we battered the Geordies
COYS_TSB
I think even better would be Ade as striker with Dempsey in the "hole". I suspect Ade would bring Dempsey to life as he was for Fulham.
Hot_Spur
Ade and Defoe have played together before and it didn't work too well. In fact Defoe has played with an array of different strike partners with little effect. Defoe just isn't a team player, he's too greedy, if it's remotely possible he will always shoot rather than pass to a team mate in a better position. He just doesn't seem to get that it isn't how many goals he scores but rather how many the TEAM scores that's important.
Hot_Spur
Falque has been impressive in the two appearances he's had. Would be interesting to see how he would fare in the PL, maybe give him 15 minutes against Wigan.
Hot_Spur
A message to Big Cockeral -- A "Proper Tool" as you so eloquently put it, I may be. But I never said I was leaving here. So, your poison is premature, my friend, which probably mirrors your ejaculation, since you want to be personally insulting to me, and many others here. I'll be stopping by from time to time, not because I respect your opinion, but to actually call you out on the gaping abyss of your ignorance, the vindictive spite you like to think of as original thoughts. Like it or not, you ARE everything wrong about Spurs fans, and you do nothing for this site but encourage, and give a platform to your cronies here. There is nothing wrong with criticism, but you mistake that aspect of supporting a team and replace it with cynicism. Massive difference, mate! Have you heard of the ever growing 1882 movement? You'd be found out for the little Cockeral standing on non-existant balls if you found yourself in the middle of those legends. You epitomise everything that's wrong with "certain" sections of our support. You can argue all you want, but you do. Concerning the article, I'm also a fan of Martinez and Wigan. They'll play ball, so don't anyone expect another 9-1. Tough to call, because we could have one of those great days, or just one of those days we've been experiencing a lot lately. Finally, a message to anyone going to the Lane today. Support your team, and the players, no matter how much your own internal attraction to criticism rears its ugly head. Again, love my team, hate obsessively negative Spurs fans. Oh, and please people, stop listening to Small Cockeral.
SpursEagle
just win please...coys
rovinella62spurs
Um, Spurseagle? Where the HELL did that come from? Im presuming its a leftover from another topic/ forum? Glad to hear your part of 1882 though, wish I was in the old dart to help out. Well except for that p*** you guys have the enffrontery to call beer that is! :D
underyid
How much longer is AVB playing Brad in goal??? He is just too many mistakes, and not as good as Lloris.. We must start Hugo in all PL games from now on...Brad as No.2 or 3 after Gomes then carlo.. Walker has to pick up his bench time, if Naughton ok, but AVB and coaches should have been working with him this week. We cannot afford to allow any more goals against in last 10 mins. of games from now on.... Ade, to start.. Defoe as sub...Siggy start alongside / ahead of Sandro...Demsey as sub.

As a point of interest.. Martinez has said spurs have very fast wingers, Bale & Lennon, so to stop them wigan have to stop the supply passes, which means they will get in the faces of our MF, / Walker, and Vert. / (BAE) at LB..
Block D Spurs
what time is our game
rovinella62spurs
I do think it is sad that so many take what I see as cheap shots at Jake Livermore. At the start of the season when partnering Sandro, they were equally as good or bad as each other, but that was more about them being too similar and lacking unit creativity than ability. Since we have brought in Dembele, Sandro looks so much better and happier as the balance is so much better, but I would exect Jake to also look a far better player if together with Dembele or Hudd. Since we have played Dembele, jake has only really been used to close our games, usually when the team is already on the back foot. Add to that a six week absence and I honestly can't understand the justification of such crticism
Oxfordspur
Not that I'd wish an injury on any player but I'm glad to see that Miyaichi is a doubt for todays game. He looks to have settled in the PL very quickly and has shown some real potential, why can't we find youngsters of this calibre? I like the way Martinez always sets out to play football rather than the spoiling type of game used by Pulis and Alardice. Martinez would have been my second choice of manager after DeBoer at Ajax. Having said that, AVB has my full support, needs to sort out his 'Let's hold on to what we've got' substitutions and the keeper situation though. Once he is allowed to bring in the players he wants, I'm sure we'll see his system take off.
As for todays game, I think we should start with
Lloris
Walker, Caulker, Vertonghen, Naughton
Lennon, Sandro, Huddlestone, Bale
Ade
Defoe
It's time to give Lloris a run of games now as I feel both his confidence and his desire to play for us may start to suffer if we don't start to show some faith in him. Give him the next ten games and let's see what he can do, we can always go back to Friedel if Lloris turns out to be the French Gomes.
I feel that Walker can play his way out of his bad spell (fingers crossed) and that Caulker looks much more assured alongside Vertonghen in the centre. Vertonghen is wasted at LB and Naughton is a more than capable deputy for BAE. Given our injury situation, the midfield almost picks itself.
Up front, I'd drop Dempsey for Adebayor, give him an hour and let's see if he can provide for our in form front man Defoe. We can always bring on Dempsey once the game has slowed to a pace that he can keep up with. There is absolutely no way that Adebayor should be able to just walk in and take the shirt from Defoe, he's done nothing to earn it and Defoe has done nothing to lose it. That would send completely the wrong message and be a terrible bit of management. If Adebayor can start to reproduce some of his form from last season then fair enough, but at the moment he's starting to look like the Adebayor that supporters from every other club he's played for warned us to expect.
If we turn up for both halves today then I expect a comfortable 2 goal victory, whether we can keep a clean sheet is another matter. If we take Wigan for granted then we may be in for an uncomfortable afternoon. COYS
thfc1882whl
This will be a tricky match for Spurs. Wigan know how to fight from seemingly hopeless positions and have pulled off 'shock victories' that on reflection were not really shock victories at all. They just took advantage of 'big clubs' underestimating them and one after another taught each one a lesson, helped by Wigan's own skill and determination to win. Spurs have got to score one, two, three times and then still take nothing for granted to be sure of victory.
Airwave
Leave the cynics, the whiners and the ridiculous negative over-reactions of this site. I'm writing this now because i can't bear to be around later to witness the vitriol if we have the sheer audacity to either not win or not 'put on a performance'. Join a movement that takes you back in time, before the PL's money-obsessed prawn sandwich brigade, to when being a Tottenham Hotspur fan meant something and being part of something. Join the 1882 movement. Sing for the Shirt.
StillRickyVilla
Agreed, SRV. I jump the long articles and what look like hobby horses from Unhappy Ones, and wish Spurs well. Win? Good. Lose? Then win next time. Above all, enjoy supporting a club that is in with a decent shout of doing well once everything and everyone among the new arrivals and players coming through the ranks, have found their bearings.
Airwave
Rovinella..the KO is 3.00pm. Which gives you plenty of time to study this!!!! http://lmgtfy.com/ Enjoy the game!
jacobslad
Ox, Sandro didn't play well at the atart of the season however does not receive the same criticism as Livermore because every fan knows what Sandro is capable of and that on his day is twice the midfield force and player of Livermore! You can't compare the two, I have never seen Livermore play an outstanding game and I don't want to hear that he's young! So is Wilshire, Oscar etc.... What but these are special talents? So isn't special good enough for Spurs? I don't want mediocre players like Livermore in the team because he has had his chances against top teams and lower league teams and he DOES NOT cut it against either!!! It is a simple fact! Sorry to be harsh on the lad but I saw Jenas get a roasting on here and Livermore is worse! My opinion... if he proves me wrong fair play! COYS!
gazzalegend
or http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/Fixtures+and+Results/fixtures-and-results.page?
Big Ron
And in that 6 week absence where Jake wasn't playing... we started to win games and climb the table! That's all I have to say now on Livermore, I'll get behind all of them today!
gazzalegend
Off topic but can any of you long term supporters remember what the reaction was when Pat Jennings was told he was nearing the end of his career and sold to Arsenal. Pat comes from my home town and is the initial reason I support Spurs. Just thinking how much negativity there is around now and wondering was he the focus of such sentiment?
Big Ron
HOLD THE FRONT PAGE- AVB is calling for more goalscorers in an article i have just been reading, but has no plans just yet to use defoe and ade as one, well that's what i said after the norwich game ''WHO SCORES THE GOALS'' a quote fro said article also reads ''Someone who wants to add to his goalscoring record is Tom Huddlestone, who revealed that he has not had a hair cut for a year and will not do until he ends his goalscoring drought - which has now lasted for 18 months'' well Tom you could end up looking like the Count of Monte Christo, by the time you finally hit the net. We do lack goals from midfield, so my team today is TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FC just go and WIN, please.
spu 4 life
Before the Man Utd vs Le Scum game, Fergie is presenting today's referee Mike Dean with a gold watch, one that keeps the same time as his.
spu 4 life
Hot_Spur I am not simply making assumptions and accusations mate. The reason i said that is because it is true. When he signed for us he was told that he would be involved in the first team and be playing for them during that season. THAT is the main reason he joined us, because of promises made to him by HR and or DL. It was even publicly announced by HR that was the reason he joined us so I am just repeating what was said at the time not making spurious assumptions. Please try and do a bit of research on the subject if you are going to TRY and shoot someone down because you can make yourself look like a bit of a fool if you don't mate. Also if you notice i asked what was going on because i had no idea about how he was getting on so no need to jump down my throat about it. There have been a fair few players able to step in at 16 and I'm not only citing the Prem. I mean in European and South American football in general.
chrishove123
Well if this happens it will drop the chavs right in it as far as the prem is concerned. HA HA HA. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/03/referees-boycott-threat-chelsea-mark-clattenburg
chrishove123
chrishove - Well since you mention research, perhaps you should have done some research on Coulibaly, then you would have discovered his lack of form, therefore rendering your post asking about him, superfluous. I cannot believe that any 16 year old (as he was when signed) would be promised first team football that same season and if that is what was reported in the media - well, nuff said. As for 16 year olds in general, as I said, very rare exceptions. You could probably find, if you looked deep enough 15 or 20 that have made it in the last few years but how many thousand 16 year old hopefuls are there in Europe and South America? Those that do make it at that age are a very tiny percentage.
Hot_Spur
Hot_Spur My asking is the research, that is the idea, one asks and searches so i am doing the research by asking people, so, my posting is not superfluous or redundant as you try and make out.. You might as well say what you say about 16 year old players about ANY player how many don't make it compared to how many do, so in that context YOUR argument doesn't hold water. Sorry but HR himself said it and that WAS the main premise of his signing to us.-
chrishove123
chrishove - My argument doesn't hold water?? As a percentage the number of 16 year olds that make the top level is very tiny indeed - FACT. How can my argument not hold water? You talk bollox.
Hot_Spur
If you read what i put I said in that context, you are merely taking what i said out of context to say what you want about it which anyone can do but it is mostly politicians who do that because they know that ias the only way they can win a discussion. At the end of the day EVERYTHING on here is bollox which includes your and my postings so please get over it and realise that you talk just as much bnollox as any one else on here especially when it comes to team selections etc.
chrishove123
thfc1882, can't see the Defoe/Ade partnership working unless we go for a 442, I would stick with Dempsey behind Ade with Defoe coming on second half for either of the two strikers depending on Ade's fitness. Quite happy with the rest of your team. COYS
ItalianYiddo
Big Ron. They were different times when big Pat went to Arsenal. Football and footballers were very different creatures to those of today. Also Terry O'Neil managed both clubs and he was very close to Pat. I'm sure nobody was doing cartwheels but there certainly wasn't the vitriol we see today. My dad was friends with both Pat Jennings and Terry O'Neill and neither suffered horrendous abuse from either Spurs or Arsenal fans.
SpuriousLife
SpuriousLife - Interesting observation Spurs to Arsenal and vice versa in the transfer market, the one that sticks in everyones throat is Sol, but the first i my time was Jimmy Robertson right winger who scored in the 67 cup final vs chelsea, moving across Nrth London and David Jenkins coming to us, who was total rubbish, makes Gio Dross Santos look world class, how's he doing i see his had two games for mallorca, Willie Young centre half another Arse to spurs, Pat Jennings never wanted to leave us, but circumstances being what they are in football signed for Arse. Watching the manure arse game it's interesting to see Arteta playing the Song holding role, but every time arse look to build from the back Rooney or RVP are right next to him, good ploy and fergie has done his homework take note AVB, his the link to most arse attacks, does that sound a bit gay?... not if your female :-)
spu 4 life
Our starting team today is: Friedel, Walker, Caulker, Gallas, Vertonghen, Lennon, Sandro, Huddlestone, Bale, Dempsey & Defoe
what_sux
Its Friedel again zzzzzzz
what_sux
And our subs today: Lloris, Dawson, Naughton, Carroll, Falque, Sigurdsson and Adebayor.
what_sux
AVB is not doing himself great favour by still benching Lloris for Friedel at this stage, Lloris does not need a year to adapt, I can see Lloris asking for transfer request if he don't play by the new year. It's like buying Messi, benching him for Defoe because Messi needs to "adapt" to BPL when world class players don't need to "adapt".
what_sux
Anything but a 9-1 win would be beyond disappointing!
RagingSpur
Surely someone needs to go on the Arsenal site and ask them why they can't beat United at Old Trafford
In-spurs-ational
Thanks for the links what sux. I feel the points coming home today.
In-spurs-ational
what_sux, just digesting all the comments writeen earlier. Agree, I wish AVB would start playing Lloris each week and stop rotating keepers like outfield players, it just doesn't work in my opinion. It's doesn't breed competition, just a lack of confidence in the keeper (maybe) and also miffs them off a bit I should imagine!
mountainyid
Raging how about 9-0?
In-spurs-ational
you do realise its illegal to post links to illegal live-football websites... if someone complained they could get this site into alot of trouble and even shut it down.
Viyyash-Ramosh
I don't like the fact that Friedel starts again. and why is ade on the bench? I hope he plays at least 30 minutes today.
logos8
Welcome In-spurs-ational. I knew that Viyyash-Ramosh, oxfordspur had told me privately in a message before, I cannot stop people complaining, I just want to help our fellow fans who cannot watch it via tv or live because I live abroad and understand their feelings, but if someone wants complain I have no choice, the only punishment is that I get kicked out of Vital Spurs and nobody to post the links anymore.
what_sux
The Wigan team today is: Al Habsi, Boyce, Caldwell, Ramis, Figueroa, Beausejour, Watson, McCarthy, Maloney, Kone and Di Santo

And their subs: Pollitt, Lopez, Stam, Gomez, Jones, McManaman and Boselli
what_sux
I'm so fed up of AVB, why can't we play 4-4-2 at home against Wigan? Ade offers so much more than Dempsey. Oh well...
Fanman
Why start Dempsey ahead of Ade? Does AVB know what he's doing?
Fanman
Disappointed with a couple of the selections being Dempsey over Sde but may be due to lack of fitness so we may see Ade later on in the game so will let that go for now.

Walker agin getting a strting place would have liked to see naughton given the chance to give Walker a kick up the bum if he has another bad game and costs us I will not be happy

Friedal not sure about if we are wanting to have stability in goal we need Lloris to settle but maybe AVB feels he needs time so will go with it for now.

Arsenal lost so lets get some points
thfan
I'm sure AVB has his reasons for his lineups. Let's see how it turns out in the long run
spurring you on
Adebayor may not have trained this week due to stomach illness, but Friedel? REALLY??? Surely this can't go on much longer...
tengboon
Disappointed too about the lineup. Grandpa in goal again, Dempsey wtf, Gallas again,! Why not Naughton over Walker. Yet, I am hoping we up our game today.
Jables
SRV- change the bloody record zzzzzzzzzzz.just because they have a different opinion to you. they still support the same team. never see this infighting on other vital sites.ffs.
topspur53
Let's see our dear Friedel can get a clean sheet for how many tries this season.
what_sux
Yep, big chance to go 5 points up on the goons, COYS!!
tengboon
Agree about Lloris. There is no benefit to playing Friedel at home in a game that we should dominate and win. These are the games he should be assimilating to the English game on. It would be different if Friedel was in form and justified his shirt.
muttley
Why the F*** are we not playing 2 strikers at home? No creativity in the middle!!! All backward passes!! Not a happy yid at the moment!!!
woodyn17
Forgot to add... Dempsey is not a starter for me!!!
woodyn17
Please don't tell Friedel that the only clean sheet in the league is the only appearance for Lloris, it will shame him because there is a big difference in their ability.
what_sux
AVB was asked

"How are you going to guarantee more goals at White hart Lane ? "

AVB replied ," I just put Friedel in goal "
big cockeral
Sandro injured
woodyn17
Oh no! We're fudged now. Sandro was controlling the game! Injury crisis at Spurs!
Fanman
That's just great! Our three best CMs are now injured. FOCK!
Jables
Oh dear God.... Sandro. NO! NO!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least it's Siggy and not Livermore.
TopSpur13
I won't feel too gutted if we lose now. As we're completely ravaged by injuries.
Fanman
Should bring on Ade for Dempsey. Go all guns blazing. Without sandro we're fudged; no defensive options in midfield Hudd cannot defend for Toffee!
Fanman
Carroll time to Step up kid. We may very well need ya in the coming matches.
TopSpur13
We look absolutely flat. Gallas must have hit 20 passes to Friedel already. Crowd jeering already. AVB needs to change things as this is pathetic
woodyn17
Props where there due. Good save by Friedal. Come on to ***** Spurs
TopSpur13
Just decent save, Lloris would stopped and saved it.
what_sux
DRAB. This is dull boring spiritless football
Cape Town Spurs
woodyn17, There's not much that we can do with the squad available.
Fanman
Yawn, is there a game going on? Our formation is just not working. Wigan made it look so easy to create a very good goal scoring opportunity.
Jables
Wasn`t a decent save ,it was a $hit shot .Should have scored
big cockeral
TBH we have been like this in most of our games so far this season. Its not pretty, we like ideas and desperately need a big powerful goal scorer
philbill
is defoe even on the pitch
Cape Town Spurs
Remember the 1-0 with Rodallega...
TopSpur13
the one on the bench would be a start phil!
Cape Town Spurs
Wigan are picking us apart!!!
woodyn17
philbill - we have Ade on the bench!! Don't come mush more powerful and better than that!!
woodyn17
back to reality for those who thought we were going to trash wigan...
logos8
What about that one Big C? I don't want Friedal in goal as much as the next man but he's made two fine saves and if you can't even acknowledge them well it's just ridiculous.
TopSpur13
Wigan would have scored if they don't persist on shooting straight at Friedel
what_sux
Is he fit though, cos I don't understand why he is not playing????
philbill
why is every shot straight at friedel a great/brilliant save? ridiculous
logos8
Again we are lucky they can`t shoot .
And again Lennon & Defoe are non existent
big cockeral
Another shocking 2 mins for Walker. Played them onside and then gets wrong side. I'm not enjoying this.
muttley
Friedel is playing really well - Wigan deserve to be leading.
MrSpurs
When Sandro was on we were controlling the game. Friedel keeping us in it...
Fanman
TopSpur13 - It's just 2 normal saves, anywhere apart shooting straight at Friedel would have be a goal.
what_sux
if we loose Bale we'll be rubbish. right now he's the only decent player we have... him and vert
Cape Town Spurs
What has happened to Walker?
Fanman
Walker needs dropping he keeps losing ball through his passing, getting caught out and playing opposition onside
thfan
Our biggest threat is from both of our defenders Caulker and Vertonghen through set piece lol
what_sux
Big C - Lennon, Bale and defoe have no service. BTW - Walker is atrocious today
woodyn17
What sux - you may moan, but brad is our star player so far. Missing dembele / modric type player at home and crowd are getting on my nerves here - as negative as vital. We are not five goals up, let's all boo. Credit to friedel.
Windlespur
Where is our midfield?
Fanman
Terrible performance truly terrible.
MrSpurs
AVB should change things at half time, lets see if he does...
philbill
We need to get Adebayor on the pitch - NOW.
MrSpurs
Woeful.
TopSpur13
Perhaps Lloris will see more time at the start of the new year? I could see this being Fridel's last season, though he does play well still
spurring you on
Windlespur - I don't think anyone in our team stand out in this first half, all play well below average, but if you say if he is the best of all those below average, you may be right. I am just saying Friedel's saves are not exceptional, are just 3 decent saves
what_sux
Btw - I would prefer lloris starting, but can appreciate a good performance from brad when I see it (so far of course). A poor half, but if we can get in equal and then get ade on ( probably not fit enough yet for ninety mins) and avb works his magic, three points hopefully.
Windlespur
They`re going to get deservedly booed off
big cockeral
I hope AVB has a temper. Quite honestly, the Spurs players deserve everything he throws at them at half time.
muttley
Wigan should be 2-0 up.
MrSpurs
We are fudged in terms of injuries. I don't really think that we can expect a good peformance with this team. Hudd is so poor as is Sigurdsson. Our midfield is wide open.
Fanman
Considering the circumstances, I think that its harsh to boo the team.
Fanman
things just aren't clicking for spurs
spurring you on
Windlespur - If they can't acknowledge how well Friedal played in that half they have there heads so far up Lloris's ass and are too proud to admit he's done well. He may well make a mistake that costs us the match in the second half and who knows but praise where it's due.
TopSpur13
Just as well Friedel is playing, otherwise we would be 0-2 down. With wigan knowing our play, they have set up with 3 centre backs allowing the midfield wide players to close down BALE and LENNON, our main threat to opening up teams, with respect to Defoe the service has been none and void, we can't deliver crosses, because his to small to get on the end of it, our space is shut down, so un-less he gets Ade on who offers a different direction of play, we will struggle, it's about making life difficult for Wigan and pressing them back, like i have said before WHO GETS THE GOALS, we have not one goalscoring midfield player.
spu 4 life
Hopefully AVB get his hairdryer ready for team talk, team play poorly, we would have 1 or 2 down if Wigan finishes better.
what_sux
Since Sandro went off they been cutting through us like knife through butter.
Guyver
Booed off and rightly so!! Siggy, Dempsey, Walker, DEfoe, Bale, Lennon all not good enough!!! The worst, most flat and uninspiring performance i have seen in many a year!!!
woodyn17
No Sandro Vs man city, arsenal and liverpool means no points!!!!
woodyn17
that sigurdsson is useless and dempsey is no better cheap middle of the road signings.outplayed,outpassed,outfought on home soil again.its nowhere near good enough.
finglasyid
Bring on Carroll and Ade!!!
woodyn17
Where is my Spurs aor luck will run out soon but having said that we only have average players, Siggy, Dempsey, Hudd and add Walker is so so poor and Defoe isolated and Gallas oap what do we expect.

We need three top class players simple as that until then these are the performances we can expect
thfan
I am a fan of AVB but I'm beginning to worry about how he sets us up to play. Whether home or away he seems to be very cautious (almost negative) in his approach. We lack fluidity, drive, ambition, attack and panache with the ball and seem to struggle to organise ourselves properly without it. I really hope that these are just teething problems as the players are having to learn a new and more tactical approach to the game. Unfortunately we Spurs fans are not blessed with an abundance of patience and displays (especially at home) as dismal as this one are not going to be tolerated for long.
SpuriousLife
We need an Adebayor that is up for the match, the sulking Adebayor could raise more problems than he'd solve. AVB gets paid to make these things right so earn your paycheck and get us a performance in this second half and 3 points along with it.
TopSpur13
Good thing when making those "easy saves" Friedel didnt fumble, play around then let the ball ricochet off his right leg into the path of an oncoming striker like Lloris did for against Norwich reserves midweek.
Guyver
We leave ourselves open like that against city were going to get our backsides spanked hard, n not in a kinky way.
spurfect one
Not great first half but we'll be better in the second, disgusted with our "supporters" booing the playing staff.I trust AVB to solve the problems in the second half, Dempsey off for Adebayor imo. Let's all hope that Sandro isn't seriously injured. COYS
thfc1882whl
AVB with the hairdryer treatment is hard to imagine.
TopSpur13
When is Scott Parker back?
MrSpurs
Lennon ,Walker,Gallas ,Defoe ,Friedel ,Siggurdsson ,Dempsey & Hudd have all been shockingly slow .

Vertonghen ,Caulker ,Bale & Sandro are the only ones who look half decent .

How can the fans get behind the players when the players aren`t even playing for them ,or the shirt ?
That was no better than pub football
big cockeral
Bale will be off soon unless we can do something about our strike force.He is becoming really frustrated and has to try and do it all by himself.No one else looks likely to score!!!!
wentworth
Oh and Friedel is looking solid today, 2 good saves. My only issue with him is, he no longer makes the spectacular game changing saves. I can only assume that Lloris lacks the communication skills to marshall the defence, maybe, as others have mentioned, his English is still not good enough
thfc1882whl
If we live up to our track record, expect a good 2nd half!!..We are not designed to play well for 90 mins. COYS!
Critical_Spur
Oh, and if we take the lead, expect up to go in to bus parking mode, especially that we are already playing without a midfield.
Critical_Spur
Wentworth, no one looks interested.
Critical_Spur
Parker will do feck all to cure the problems.... get Ade to play deep in the Dempsey-role and you have a team thats cohesive from back to front linking well... Defoe is isolated as usual, then peeps wonder why he's not involved and what a luxury player he is... we look like Arsenal currently: clueless, incoherent, toothless..
Viyyash-Ramosh
Someone on our coaching staff needs to find the key to opening up this defence of wigan, if his not changing and bringing Ade on, keep a solid back four and that means walker stays in line, push Bale and Lennon inside just a little and push Siggy and Hudd slightly further up field and Dempsey supporting Defoe, knock the ball into defoe, most likely they will win every header, but we then attack the second ball, because so far nothing has worked. When your facing a crowded penalty area fire the ball low and hit the target from around the edge of the box, pass pass slow slow, get phucking with it SPURS.
spu 4 life
wentworth, Bale will be gone in summer no matter what happens imo.
Fanman
well, that's the bad half out of the way.
asherthesmasher
Friedel looking solid & he no longer makes the spectacular game changing saves ? HA HA cheers for that ,that made me laugh ,brilliant

Little fact .....At White Hart Lane Spurs have never scored in the first half this season .
big cockeral
Ade on for Dempsey. He's on a yellow and looks angry with Caldwell...can see him getting a second yellow
mountainyid
this is a lame half hearted display -- avb needs a kick up the pants if you ask me
Cape Town Spurs
As usual no clean sheet for Friedel
what_sux
Another mistake by Friedel
big cockeral
Rodallega all over again
TopSpur13
Friedel will never keep a clean sheet again... we will never stop conceding as long as he stays in goal... come on avb, show your stufff, bring on livermore!!!
Cape Town Spurs
WTF DEFOE OFF.....
TopSpur13
Absolute fecking awful!!!
woodyn17
Poor
spurfect one
he should have tipped that behind, but it was coming
Guyver
i think avb is a confused manager
Cape Town Spurs
well he saved us in the first half but BOY DID HE PHUCK THAT UP BYE BYE and all your LLORIS, again we have to score 3 just to get a point
spu 4 life
I hope that Friedel is dropped so he can no longer be used as an escapegoat.
MrSpurs
this is torture of a really sick nature
shelf88
agreed guyver... he should have tipped it but he is a muppet & he is sadly our muppet
Cape Town Spurs
It looks like the players have lost the ability to think and play like footballers. Pathetic.
SpuriousLife
ade and dempsey is better than defoe with either. bad error from friedel. i am behind AVB but he needs to drop defoe and friedel
Guernman
I know Defoe played poor but Dempsey was terrible too and Defoe can whack a goal out of nowhere. JOKE!
TopSpur13
MrSpurs, what is an escapegoat? is that like a goat that breaks out the farm at night or something?
Cape Town Spurs
AVB is quickly losing my backing!!
woodyn17
with you there woody
Cape Town Spurs
Friedels mistake has got a lot of out field players out of jail. We should expect to score at least one goal against Wigan at White Hart Lane.
MrSpurs
Come on someone!!!! anyone!!!
TopSpur13
CapeTown - Yeah thats it.
MrSpurs
What is the point of Sigurdsson being in the side?
Fanman
look on the bright side, at least we no longer have VdV to take it
Cape Town Spurs
I always expected at least a goal conceded when Friedel starts
what_sux
unless we start to improve we'll be lucky to finish top half
shelf88
Walker is our free-kick taker because of one banana shot last year... LOGIC!
TopSpur13
What an Absolutley ridiculous substitution
HuddersfieldYiddo
what_sux - which would not be a problem if we could score 2 against the footbal power house of Wigan Athletic (no disrepect Wigan) at home!
MrSpurs
to loose at home to wigan is disgraceful... avb will make an excuse of playing a cup game on weds and next willl choose friedel again
Cape Town Spurs
i think AVBs right to take Defoe off - he cannot handle playing against physical defenders. And if only he drops Friedel!
silver_inca
Fellaini would be a good addition in January :P
what_sux
We need to get our key players back from injury or we're fudged.
Fanman
That Man U result has really hidden what has been a really unconvinicing start to the season.
MrSpurs
MrSpurs - Not everytime we can outscore opponents, good keepers perform well and and occasionally save the team points and rarely makes mistakes.
what_sux
Just goes to show that we have no depth in quality. Especially how much we miss modders and Kaboul!!!
woodyn17
Lennon OFF ,,,Falque ON
big cockeral
This is the worst performance i have seen for a while....
philbill
Can players be fined for poor performances? That would motivate them to play well I bet.
TopSpur13
what_sux- You telling me that you would not expect Tottenham to score at least one goal against Wigan at home?
MrSpurs
8 points from 5 home games -- draw with wba / draw with norwich / about to loose to wigan AT FECKING HOME. if this is what we hired in avb we need to ship him back to porto and pronto. his tactics appear to be shocking. i know we have injuries but that is no more than an excuse
Cape Town Spurs
what sux, a striker would be a good acquisuition in jan but we've been saying that since 2008. DL seems to think teams don't need strikers
Cape Town Spurs
MrSpurs - I expect, its just that if a keeper don't concede, the attackers will be under LESS pressure to score, its hard to score when the players are so pressured now, when they are passionless in the first half.
what_sux
I`m not backing AVB anymore if he continues to pick Friedel .
And also if he insists on this swapping of wings between Lennon & Bale .It doesn`t phucking work ,didn`t with HR & won`t with AVB either
big cockeral
Cape Town Spurs, I disagree. I think the injuries have crippled the side, and taken things out of AVB's hands.
Fanman
NO parker, Kaboul, Dembele, Benni, Sandro. They are 5 starters all day long. Still *****e though
woodyn17
No fight. No creativity. No desire. Most worrying of all however no leadership and direction. AVB needs to show he can have a positive impact on a struggling squad of players.
SpuriousLife
and avb seems to think the best goalie shouldn't play and the best striker should sit on the bench keeping the goalie company. we are in trouble
Cape Town Spurs
lennon has been absloulte tosh
redknappslayer
Hang on we're saved AVB has got his 100 page dossier out on the opposition.
MrSpurs
lennon has been absloulte tosh
big cockeral
How many fouls is Figueroa allowed to get away with in one game?
muttley
Cape Town Spurs - True we need a striker, surprised AVB say we don't need anymore striker after siigning Adebayor last window.
what_sux
avbs decision making is still better than redknapps
redknappslayer
James McCarthy has been terrific.
TopSpur13
fanman, we threw away the game against wba & norwich not because of injuries but because of bad tactics and poor decisions by avb when we were up
Cape Town Spurs
My biggest issue with AVB is his substitutions are constantly baffling.Game after game after game ,he does the most clueless subs
big cockeral
i dont object to taking off defoe for ade, but we should be playing bale on the left, lennon on the right when both ade and dempsey are on
Guernman
young carroll has instanly made us better. he has to start. we cant get any worse
shelf88
Losing at home to Wigan is NOT acceptable. Poor. Poor. Poor. Poor. Poor.
SpuriousLife
Absolute disgrace!!!!! No class!!! AVB OUT!!! (just kidding)
woodyn17
Stick pins in your eyes ......

After watching this it`s quite refreshing
big cockeral
No excuses either. We were just Sh*t.
TopSpur13
While Sandro was on we were in control of the game, without him our midfiled just disappeared. Huddlestone is just not good enough. We're in trouble over the next few weeks.
Fanman
SpuriousLife, can you not see why we lost the game? Obviously the injuries proved to be critical. We now have 5 of our fisrt team players out injured. When Sandro went off Wigan just took control of the midfield.
Fanman
And notice the ref did not allow the passage of play to continue whn blowing for the close, whereas he could easily have waited a few more seconds ..... it's going to be a long season
ZeeNut
oops ... wrong board :-)
ZeeNut
Delightful.
TopSpur13
Pathetic week for the players lossess to Norwich and Wigan. The players are passionless.
what_sux
AVB has to go if he insists on picking a poor side despite having better options .
Sack him
big cockeral
friedel out now please
Guernman
horrible game. we completely lacked (and have for the last few matches) creativity and movement in mid and final third.
shidyid
You can't win a game with no one to take the ball forward through midfield, or defend the midfield area.
Fanman
Fanman "Wigan took control of the midfield" its ******** Wigan mate not Real Madrid - Tottenham Hotspur should have enough quality to beat Wigan at home without the need for a defensive midfielder!!
MrSpurs
Disgrace!
Jables
The worrying thing is Le Scum are going to tear us a new one next week. AVB needs to take the reserve for the reserves in midweek as we have 1 recognised first team CM now. WE NEED TO STOP PLAYING % IN THE MIDFILED!! We were playing wigan a thome and we played with 1 striker? (unts the lot of them!!!
woodyn17
We need to strengthen the squad, this squad is still too weak, and lack of passion. I think oxfordspur can no need put MOTM poll this week, nobody deserves it to be honest.
what_sux
AVB to go now please. same shi,t all the time we look poor
jljyid
We have been playing bad at home in particular for a while now and been lucky to pick up points. I don't like AVB tactics as he seems incapable of using a 442 formation which is what we need. The style he plays at home does not suit us which is similar to when he was at Chelsea
philbill
I am so fecking angry if i saw AVB i would slap him!!!
woodyn17
What are we supposed to do without 4 key players! Losing Wigan is poor but we can only blame our own bad luck for injury ... or failing to buy over the summer
Spurs999
Harry out now!!!!!!!
zombie-greavsie
This is what happens when u sell your 2 most creative Midfielders and replace them with siggy and dempsey who are at best mid table premier league players. Can't wait for Dembele to come back. The whole team were woeful.
spurfect one
Levy has to take some of the blame for buying *****E replacments for VDV and Modders!!!!
woodyn17
Every game is the same. We have no ideas, no passion, no desire to win games, no tactical nous, unless Bale comes up with miracles no creativity. Fortunately although Wigan have a real manager they lack quality players and so we did not lose three or four nil as we would have deserved.
Forever Spurs
We've been poor the entire game. Deserved it in the end. I don't know what is going on in the dressing room. Has to be the worst game this season. On another note, booing the substitution of Defoe for Ade is not going to help. I know people were booing AVB's decision but knowing Ade's mentality, it will work against us.
spuradic
Well done wigan. Their forward (can't remember his name) ran rings round our defence. friedel should've tipped that one over. But no chances created, no gain Simple.
Critical_Spur
Agree with @woody17, Levy left us really short in the CM department and with Dembele out, its showing.
spuradic
Lost all hope. we wont finish top half of the table with avb as our manager, idc if we got all of those players injured whys dempesy, gallas and friedel playing? none of them would even get into the qpr team! Not looking forward to man city nex week with no sandro no...*sigh* going to be a very long season :(
SpursSnM
Fanman. Despite the injuries our players should be good enough to at least turn up against Wigan AT HOME! Today we lacked character, fight and desire. Whichever 11 players take to the pitch at WHL they should at least show a bit of fight. No Spurs player did that today and that is NOT acceptable.
SpuriousLife
On today's performance Wigan should be 4th and us at 15th.
Critical_Spur
spurs999 NO just NO the way we are playing under AVB is the fault not injuries we just look predictable and dull. long looooong season for us
jljyid
AVB will bear the consequence after not playing Lloris and Adebayor (for Dempsey) and Naughton (for Gallas and shift Vertonghen to center back). The players look disinterested and passionless.
what_sux
SPURS999 - This is WIGAN!! They are 15th and haven't kept a clean sheet. I could have fecking scored!!! This is the first time we haven't scored at home in 2 seasons!!!
woodyn17
I seriously thought it was going to be Dempsey not defroe for Ade. Even the commentators were saying they thought Ade should have been playing alongside Defoe. Also Why on earth did BF flap at the ball instead of catching the ball like Al Habsi, punch it out or turn it over the top for a corner? I'm not blaming him for this loss as he made a couple of class saves today and most of the time Spurs looked disinterested. It's as if the players have said, right we beat Man u so we've proven we can do it so we don't need to bother any more. Also we have almost half our team out injured which for us seems to be the norm over the last I don't know how many seasons now. The reason we are losing is I feel mainly down to our lack of depth in the squad. We lose a couple of players and that's it, we have no back up.
chrishove123
oh and martinez for our next manager please
jljyid
MrSpurs, I'm just stating what happened. Huddlestone and Sigurdsson might aswell have not been there. I would expect any team in the EPL to beat us with that midfield, and lets be honest we have a makeshift defense aswell. Huddlestone is barely a championship player imo, he offers nothing going foward or defensively. And Sigurdsson cannot play at CM.
Fanman
I don't for one second think its AVB's fault (at least not entirely), the players lacked character and passion. They just didn't turn up today.
spuradic
We are just not good enough we haven't enough quality players we lost two in the summer and we replaced them with inferior players.

Plus Caulker is doing well, Carroll improved the side when he came on but needs to sharpen is passing as he did a couple of misplaced passes but he is better than Hudd imo.

Dempsey is not working neither is Siggy so we need to revert back to a 4 4 2 with Ade and Defoe until we get that creative player that can play behind the main striker.

It's getting worse and it was OBVIOUS we would run out of luck we have been average and poor all season. There is little AVB can do with the players he has and unless we invest we will not make top 4 or win anything. HR imo had a better squad although Vertonghen is class and great addition. Bale is nowhere near as good as he was but will always be dangerous. It is going to be a difficult run until end of January window and if we don't bring in quality it will be even more of a difficult run to end of the season.
thfan
The squad is of course weak as we have lost two world class players...let's not mention King...and have replaced them with inferior players. The problem is a manager with no clue. Our play in the Europa with mostly our main team have been of the same poor standard against weak opposition.
Forever Spurs
Sorry to say I have also lost faith in AVB. Where is the High line, High Tempo passing game?

We are average at best. Losing to Wigan is a disgrace. The team is a disgrace.

Needing a goal we sub out one striker for another, one who has barely played this season.

Dempsey looks out of his depth, he was so poor on Wednesday. The team look clueless. Why take off Sandro?

AVB has no idea how to substitute to win games, he just tries to shut up shop at 1-0 .

Again Bale is running around on the right, get back to the left and attack.

Again sorry for the rant but I really do not think AVB is the man anymore. I am pleased HR left but we are getting sorted out by every team we meet.

So far this season we have played mainly teams from the bottom half, now we get the teams vying for the top four.

Things are looking very bleak. COYS
ro6ertj
It's a squad game. Our squad has been exposed. Any team can beat any team in this league, that's a fact. There are three teams head and shoulders above the rest and we beat one of them, which proves my point. We are one of the pretenders, us Arsenal and Everton. Had we purchased another central midfielder and striker of real quality we might not be pretenders. I don't like the fact that Friedel is starting simply because we have a new keeper who is one of the best in the world. Friedel is past his sell by date. That is not enough to not back AVB though. As a couple have mentioned, our problem in the game started when we lost Sandro. We are noe down to the bare bones when we have to put Siggy in CM.
asherthesmasher
Shall we make a DVD, well yes and put it in the BOX marked ''the worst perfomances in my time and a spurs supporter'' that was a complete and utter shambles, when i put down we might as well play Jenas (bring him back) in place of Siggy times are phucking hard, that guy is fast becoming a very poor buy. How the hell can you win games with a team like that, yes wigan set up to get a result and they just did, but we had no set pattern of play just hope it comes off, to many second rate players in midfield, not one can score a goal, not one can even create a goal, Lennon is poor at scoring, 2 goals this year, un-less goals come from Defoe or Bale we are bollock$, sign a striker and quality midfield player, yes missing Dembele, missing Parker's drive, but without them we are poor, Gallas can hardly move his hamstring is hurting and that has to be the last time friedel starts a prem game, why did he not push it over the bar? Joe Hart would have. phuck it, worst i have seen in years.
spu 4 life
SpuriousLife, your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.
Fanman
I'm boycotting spurs until Levy is out!!!! lol!!
woodyn17
if the away manager was in the home dugout today could the result and football have been better?
bazdog
no creativity in the middle, EVERYTHING seems to go thru the wide players , so predictable, and theres nobody willing to add subtlety to the play by slowing it down taking their time abit, as the crowd instantly start ranting... Siggy + Dempsey on pitch simultaneusly = no win...... simples.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Seriously people are actually calling for 4-4-2? AVB out? We were poor but AVB's subs aren't as baffling as people here are making it out to be.
taniban
By the way as someone mentioned above, why did Friedel not turn the ball over the ball. Shocking error.
asherthesmasher
Friedel has to be dropped now, simple.
MrSpurs
Fully watched us scrape a win against Southampton and now scarcely watched two losses against completely inferior opposition. From what I've seen all season neither Dempsey nor Siggy are good enough so do not know why we do not go 4-4-2 with Ade and Defoe especially at home! Lets get Ade on the pitch and match fit and use both of them because the other two simply do not appear good enough. The injuries are annoying no doubt but with aspirations for a top 4 place we should have a squad good enough to compete and beat the likes of Norwich and Wigan!
El Jefe
Its just one game, anyone would reading this page that the world had ended.
Fanman
The team play the way AVB wants. No high speed attacking game but sit back and wait for the opposition to make a mistake. It is the same in every game. A proper manager will know that Wigan have not got one point this season when they have been behind in a game so would have his team coming out of the blocks.
Forever Spurs
I just feel its our tactics not the players, alone striker at home is just bull***** v wigan. should have been 442 and Defoe and Ade in from the start. AVB pussyfoots around as though not losing is more important than winning. I just don't like his style and to date quite a few of our points have been lucky... well the luck ran out today and Wigan deserved to win. I think the players are going to struggle all season to play the way he wants them to, plus the system works much better with creativity in midfield. Since there was none today as Dembele is injured then why stick with the same tactics? AVB worries me with his one way of playing regardless
philbill
Fanman you have clearly not been watching all season
Forever Spurs
It is mindset more than tactics. We do not have a mindset of trying to win games. Even we we do go ahead in games the first thing AVB does is bring on more defensive players. We allow other teams to dictate the game, indeed we invite them to. Our possession is pointless as we have no penetration in our passing it is aimless and much of it backwards
Forever Spurs
it aint the speed of the game its the lack of creativity and variation in the play.... its always get it wide to Bale (sometimes Lennon) and let them do the rest..WE DO NOT PLAY BIG FORWARD TO AIM CROSSES AT... unless Ade is there (and mostly he's not).... lazy tactics, lousy tactics
Viyyash-Ramosh
The game went down hill after Sandro went off. I think poor substitutions ruined our chances of coming back into the game, aswell as lack of creativity! Need Dembele back in the centre of field with Sandro.
mountainyid
I cant wait for this week's excuses, we managed to lose at home to bloody Wigan, that's 10 points dropped in 6 home games. Get your bloody parachutes ready, we are about to move into the real world, and plunge down the league. We have now played all of the bottom six, now the season proper will start, and Christ knows what will happen against the better teams. We currently have 4 points from 12 against teams from outside the bottom six aganst Newcastle, WBA, Man U and Chelsea. What the boody hell is wrong with our Windows 8 manager, surely to Christ when you are losing 1-0 at home, and not scoring for he first home game in 30, you don't swap your strikers, you double them up. Perhaps if he had played the bloody game on the pitch, instead of on a data base, in a bloody computor, or on a clip board, he would understand, he ain't got a gamble, or an inspired sustitution in him. What was he trying to protect, our GD, by keeping it at 0-1, bloody disgrace.
Frank
I just cannot believe people think AVB is at fault. We have no midfield. That is where a game is won or lost. No Parker, no Dembele, no Sandro. That's spells trouble. TH has his moments, but the lad will always be hampered by his size and lack of mobility and that is why we were willing to let him go. But we should have got the deal done for Moutinho so it's a good thing TH did not go. Levy is to blame really. He has messed up in the transfer market IMO and failed to take our club forward. We have been two or three players shy of a nailed on top four side for two or three years now because Arsenal won't invest and obviously we do don't want to invest either.
asherthesmasher
WILL WE EVER GET IT RIGHT ON A MANAGERIAL LEVEL AND SQUAD LEVEL? GOOD NIGHT ALL
thfan
Embarrassing performance by the fans. They might as well have played at a venue with no supporters in the first half! Then to boo a substitution when Defoe did absolutely nothing??? I have never been a fan of Dempsey, but for ****'s sake, give the guy a chance!! Much better from Sigurdsson. Huddlestone must be droppped. He was the worst player by a mile. He has no mobility, stands in the middle of the pitch and never shows for the ball unless he is in between or behind our CB's!!! It was quite obvious to me we were going to draw or lose once Sandro left the pitch. He was the backbone of our team. Besides that, there was another bright performance by Vertonghen. It is now time to get behind out team and give them some support and quit booing!!!! Some of you remind me of Blackburn fans!!!
ParkersHair
Also Lloris messed up for me against Norwich for one of the goals and today Friedel has not covered himself in any glory either (although how we can leave players completely un-marked in the 6 yard area during a corner is beyond me)! Now we are out of the League Cup, its time to pick one of them and go with it fully - no messing about. Personally I would go with Lloris but we need continuity in there one way or the other.
El Jefe
I think it's more then just one game? Pani'kos dominated no win, Maribor most of the play came from us no win, Norwich 83 mins and they was never in it no win, wigan poor, it's not just one game, it's been on the cards, only we sometimes get away with it like Soton. defending to the very last away at man u got us a great result, but they both could have gone the other way, NEGATIVE TACTICS maybe, but i said in the week assistant head coach SF was a defensive midfield player, so i can see why we adopt these tactics, he never scored from midfield for us and we have the same problem again.
spu 4 life
And please having a go at Friedel is dumb he at least did something in the game...he had to as we are getting worse and worse. Our performances have been deteriorating for many weeks. Sure we are missing players through injury but there was enough out there
Forever Spurs
Good post asherthemasher. Completely agree with the problem being our midfield and Levy's failing in the market. I dont care who starts between Lloris or Friedel. Both keepers are capable and both will make the odd mistake. Hold your horses, Lloris will be starting before the New Year.
ParkersHair
Don't lame the fans. They were right we needed to be more attacking but changing one player for another is making no change just going through the motions
Forever Spurs
ro6ertj Sandro came off because he was injured. It was imho the ONLY move to make unless we want a totally phucked Sandro who would, with our track record of injuries, be out for possibly months instead of a week or so, because he came off when he did he may even be fit to play next week.
chrishove123
Correct me if i am wrong, but didn't Dempsey score a shed load of goals last season and is he not a better team player. Is he not a striker? I am not saying he is a world beater, but is Defoe any better? I fail to see where there was bad subs. What options did we have?
asherthesmasher
I meant 'blame' not lame
Forever Spurs
Oxfordshire will be a very lonely man because the post count in the coming weeks is going to drop big time .The football is so poor it`s hard to keep interested .The fans are deservedly booing & since the turn of 2012 ,there has been nothing but a very poor standard of football played by Spurs apart from the odd brilliant display .

A big worry for me today was the body language of Gareth bale ,to his credit he really tried today ,but i get the feeling he may want out if this carries on .And Lloris probably wonders why he made such a foolish move .In front of him is one of the worst goalkeepers in the EPL ,so what does that say about Lloris ?
Very hard to back AVB with the constant schoolboy errors he is making .Subs are rarely right & his first 11 has major question marks .Master tactician ? me arse
big cockeral
How can you not blame them? You could hear a pin drop as the game started??
ParkersHair
Can someone please explain why a lengthy piece of prose about what might happen in a game produces the same results as the last lengthy piece of prose. Crap. Does anyone thing paying to see this Spurs team worth it? A loss against Norwich and now Wigan basically puts us where we should be - rock bottom with no ideas.
woodhall
Congrats to Martinez, the man I wanted from as manager, he showed how a class manager can make all the difference. All the crying about our injuries but we still had a squad available far superior to Wigan
Forever Spurs
Redknapp stuggled tactically to beat teams like Wigan who took the game to us on our patch - unfortunately AVB is struggling too.
MrSpurs
Do not agree with blaming AVB to be honest look at some of the players brought in such as Siggy and Demps - so far not good enough and I doubt these are his buys but this is what he has to work with. Also at the back practically denied his whole starting back 4 with the exception of Walker (who admittedly and unfortunately has gone walkabout in form) but Verts forced to play LB and Kaboul and Benny long term injuries. Now Dembele also in midfield and Parker missing all season (although would struggle to get past Sandro to be fair). Tough task for AVB IMO given we now have higher expectations after two recent top 4 finishes but with a depleted and perhaps less able squad than Harry had!
El Jefe
Martinez In AVB Out! If martinez can get results in the bpl with the squad he has, imagine him with our squad. If a manager like AVB was managing wigan they would be struggle in the championship playing 4-4-2 and getting smashed and dominated in the midfield by every team
SpursSnM
Good post big c. Np one wants to pay money to watch that tripe. Bale I think is gone now and I suspect clubs are licking their lips at the prospect of getting some of our players
Forever Spurs
Our squad is so thin compared to this time last year. On our bench was Pav, Pienaar, Niko, Corluka, Daws, etc. Now we have players that Harry thought weren't good enough - Townsend, Naughton and even Livermore and Falque came close to leaving. Now theyre the starting 18??? Hmm u think we've really screwed up in the last 12 months...
mattspurs1982
Absolutely Big C, it looks, as we suspected, that Levy has maintained his reputation for picking managers, this is 8, and he still can't get it right.
Frank
On point, asherthesmasher, ive criticised AVB's time at Chelsea in the past, but I have to agree that it isnt entirely his fault for the way we've performed this season. With the players we have, its very difficult to play the attractive football we've been so use to. We don't have technical players like Modric, VDV and Kranc. Im sure AVB would like us to play like Porto, but he's having to adapt to what is available. We've had decent results this year, but performances have never been spectacular. Plus the opportunistic, budget signings (Siggy, Demp) are playing crap, which when combined with injuries to key players, makes the squad far weaker than its been in a long time. Having said that, imo, AVB has also made things more difficult for himself with some of his tactical decisions.
Guyver
matt agreed, like I was saying depleted and less able squad than Harry had but we have higher expectation's now after two recent top 4 finishes and that is piling the pressure on AVB but unfortunately if we do not have our first 11 out, we do not have a top 4 squad IMHO and a few agreed with this at the start of the season when some of us said top 5 was the best we could probably expect!
El Jefe
ParkersHair Why don`t you go there & make some noise then ?
You`re talking about fans who pay around £50 for a ticket ,who the phuck would pay around £50 for that & not moan ?

The players are there to please the fans ,not the fans there to suck up to the players .How much do they earn compared to the average fan ?
IMO they should be showing the fans a little more respect .Walker i`d stay off twitter if i was you , again poor performance .
big cockeral
mattspur and El Jefe
+1
Guyver
Why take Defoe off when you needs to score????
MrSpurs
Does not stop it being frustrating though both in terms of watching (as Big C pointed out above) but also having to acknowledge these kinds of results against the likes of Norwich and Wigan as supporters!
El Jefe
When AVB is allowed to buy the players of his choosing we will be able to judge his system properly. Until then he should play a system that suits the players at his didposal, unfortunately he's not doing that. Our team is a square peg and AVB's system is a round hole, I guess that's what happens when you have a chairman who .......... Oh, really can't be bothered anymore. We all know that Teflon Levy will once again escape any blame for the problems he's created within our squad. COYS FOENIC
thfc1882whl
Guyver, he might not be able to play like Porto, but that doesn't ean we should play like Barnet. This side, and it's performances, save a fluke at OT, are simply not worthy of the Spurs shirt. Looking at our first 10 fixtures which have included all of the bottom 6, we should be sitting pretty, but even the results we have had have been more by luck than judgement. Our home form i.e. 8 points from 18 is mid table form, which is exactly where we will end up, if our luck holds.
Frank
Very true Big C, very true - its bad enough watching it for free (all be it poorly) on the net let alone having to pay £50 for the ticket and all the other expenses that go with it on the day!
El Jefe
asher, i say it was bad substitutions because I feel the Defoe/Ade know eachothers game well, whereas Dempsey/Ade have not had so much game time. I would like the idea of Dempsey/Ade, but only if we were 3-0 up. I would like to have seen Falque come on in place of Lennon in the last 20 minutes, instead of Carroll coming on.
mountainyid
AVB can only choose his keeper from what he sees during training and from feedback supplied by Parks. Hmmm, Parks, the only goalkeeping coach in the country who manages to make decent keepers worse? If ever there was anyone living off a penalty, it's him!
thfc1882whl
bale,vertonghen and lloris all are going to hand in transfer requests in january then were really going to be phucked!
SpursSnM
Lots of posters are missing the big picture. Football is a team game. Individual brilliance is important but without it being based within a solid team it will achieve very little. The big worry for me is that we have no team spirit, togetherness or pride being displayed at the moment. The players are responsible but AVB needs to man-up and deal with the lack of fight and enthusiasm the players show for the shirt on the pitch. That is his job. If he loses the ability to control and command respect from the players we are in the ****e up to our ears. He has no more time to waste. He has to grow a pair and stamp his authority on this squad of under-achievers or he and the club will fail.
SpuriousLife
Guyver exactly the speculative punts in the likes of Demps and Siggy are proving to be bad investments so far, but will be fair and say both showed a lot more ability last season than they are currently! Bench the pair of them and give Ade a proper chance alonside Defoe.
El Jefe
We were in total control of the game until Sandro went off. And then we completely lost the midfield. Just goes to show that THudd is no good enough for this level. I dread to think how he is going struggle against Arsenal. With Dembele and Sandro in there, that game is a win all day. We had absolutely nothing going through middle.
Fanman
We were in total control of the game until Sandro went off. And then we completely lost the midfield. Just goes to show that THudd is no good enough for this level. I dread to think how he is going struggle against Arsenal. With Dembele and Sandro in there, that game is a win all day. We had absolutely nothing going through middle.
Fanman
We were in total control of the game until Sandro went off. And then we completely lost the midfield. Just goes to show that THudd is no good enough for this level. I dread to think how he is going struggle against Arsenal. With Dembele and Sandro in there, that game is a win all day. We had absolutely nothing going through middle.
Fanman
We were in total control of the game until Sandro went off. And then we completely lost the midfield. Just goes to show that THudd is no good enough for this level. I dread to think how he is going struggle against Arsenal. With Dembele and Sandro in there, that game is a win all day. We had absolutely nothing going through middle.
Fanman
Frank, remember how Harry's teams would play when Modric, VDV, Parker and sandro werent playing. ie whenever the 2nd string played or when injuries hit the squad, very similar to the performances we're seeing now.
Guyver
spurious, we are missing our players with fight and enthusiam, Sandro, Parker, Kaboul, Dembele and for BAE (i think he would have been on the line to stop that one) Wigan had 3 men on the line to stop Caulkers header, we had no one on the line helping Friedel
mountainyid
Easy there, Fanman
spurring you on
Apparently there is a bloke leaning on the railings at Poole harbour with a broad grin on his face, holding up a banner with 9-1 written on it, can't understand who he might be.
Frank
Fanman Wow posted four times, you really wanted to put your point over very dramatically didn't you. LOL
chrishove123
Will try to watch the full game tonight as am commenting having watched only the last 20 minutes on a poor stream but the starting line-up looked OK to be honest. Anyone know how long before the likes of Dembele, Benny and Kaboul are back? I know Parker is out until Xmas but to be honest cannot see him pushing past Sandro in recent form, although would be great to see Scotty come on if needed instead of the likes of Livermore!
El Jefe
Frank. LOL
chrishove123
Fanman - I never at any stage thought that Spurs were in control of that game and as I said earlier we should not need to rely on a defensive midfielder to beat Wigan at White Hart Lane. The tactics were poor and we didnt know how to respond to a lively well organised Wigan team. One thing I will agree with you on is Tom Huddlestone - not mobile enough, not passionate enough - his Tottenham days are numbered imo.
MrSpurs
Frank HA HA beauty
big cockeral
El Jefe dembele de3pends on whether he needs an op or not, if so they reckon up to 6 weeks if not maybe another week or so. The others i have no idea.
chrishove123
I can never work how Lennon & Defoe escape criticism .
For me they both go very long periods of the game without being seen .

Bale is an attacking player but he always gets involved ,comes to get the ball & his frustration is for all to see .IMO Lennon & Defoe are a little too happy to go missing in games .
Lennon V Walcott ,Walcott wins by a mile
big cockeral
I thought Harry was clueless and couldn't wait to see the end of him. AVD promised to be more tactically astute but has shown us nothing of the sort. We are desperately in need of a striker. Can't wait to get rid of Walker, didn't like him last year and couldn't understand why he was voted young player of the year. Poor defensive positioning, looses ball going forward, can't cross the ball. Poor squad in that we have no alternative at RB or LB, Vertongen and Caulker should be playing CB and building up an understanding.
iwear#10
El Jefe, I was disappointed when we signed Siggy, as I felt minus his goals, he didnt offer much. If you only watched highlights of him, you'd think he was a top player, but watching a full 90mins of him in a Swansea shirt, you'd see he played very similar to how he is paying for us now, with the only difference being goals scored. Demps has never been great, thats why at 29 he was still playing for Fulham, he's a decent player but not on VDV's level and not a great striker either, so not a good trade imo, especially as he is apparently on £90k per week! 29 years old, £90k per week, you have to hit the ground running.
Guyver
Apparently a lot of Wigan fans are dissappointed with the result. They were hoping to get there ticket fee back to pay for their xmas shopping they did at Selfridges.
mountainyid
Guyver ..... Good post full of common sense .Just need to cover the farce that is Friedel & Lloris ,because i don`t see an ounce of logic in that one
big cockeral
Guyver- It really frustrates me because we lost our two most technical players, VDV and Modric. Two of the most technically gifted players in the world. What frustrates me is that people expect us to play in the same style as we did last season. As you rightly mentioned Guyver, we no longer have the players to do that. We have to play differently. Our best two signing of the summer have not been available, Ade and Dembele. It won't be long now before Ade makes his way into the starting line up and with Dembele in the team as well, results will come our way, against the better teams, without such an attractive way to do it as we were doing last season. Dempsey and Siggy really are squad players and at this moment don't even look good enough for that roll. I think Levy needs to go all out for Moutinho and a central attacking midfielder/winger with real technical ability, as well as pace.
asherthesmasher
Anyone need pics to brighten your days? :)
what_sux
BC I would rather Lloris start over Friedel, but I like to point out the bias people have when judging them. Example, after Lloris's mistake against Norwich reserves, nobody said anything, while Friedel who has been blamed for EVERY single goal he's conceded this season. Truth is, the way we played today,. Lloris wouldnt have made a difference, he didnt vs Norwich reserves, he didnt vs that team in europe I cant even remember.
Guyver
what_sux, are they pics of our January transfer targets?
mountainyid
The ideal scenario for me for me would be Moutinho and Willian. 4-3-3. Sandro, Moutinho, Dembele, Bale, Ade, Willian.
asherthesmasher
Lloris might not have made the same mistake today, but Wigan would have bombarded our goal until he either faced an unstoppable shot, or an error was forced.
Guyver
Lioris should be starting. Friedel is not that bad, but he is not that good either.
asherthesmasher
A picture of Sir Alan Sugar telling Daniel Levy 'you're fired'
mountainyid
mountainyid - If you want I can put, but I prefer putting pretty girls pictures :-)
what_sux
I thought BF played well today apart from the one flap he did which led to the goal, so if our outfield had played they way they should have then it would have made no difference but because the outfield was abysmal BF takes the stick for us losing today. I'm not his greatest fan but at least he saved us a few times today AND he came off his line to get the ball as well as making two very good saves.
chrishove123
what_sux, unfortunately my wife is not keen on pics of women on the computer. She did like the Super Verts pic though!
mountainyid
AVB says (and to his credit )

"I think they were the better team today," noted Villas Boas.
"They were extremely well organised and I think credit to them for the difficulties they created for us.

"For sure it was our worst performance of the season. I think we have the right to have a bad day in the office and I think today was an example of that.

"Credit to the opponent, we had difficulties because we were always under pressure. They managed to organise themselves very, very well and were aggressive in recovery of the ball.

"We went through the first half where we did not have any chances at the goal and they had two good chances to go ahead before us.

"They were superior during the 90 minutes and we make a reflection on the mistakes we did as it is very important if you want to move on in the future."

At least he was honest ,made no excuses & will now (hopefully )pick the best & right players for the job .Today was unacceptable
big cockeral
Hudd is pants! The amount of times he slowed the game down after we went behind and he always looks for the 50 yard pass. Jog on and play in the NFL! The whole lot of them were a shambles today but he stands out for me.
Metal Spurs
asherthesmasher, it actually shows that AVB has learnt something from his time at Chelsea, because he was trying to get the likes of Malouda, Kalou, Lamps and Sturridge to play like Barca. With us, he's got Dembele and Sandro, 2 warriors who make up a solid base. Then 2 flying wingers to counter with, its been simple and quite effective so far, problem is when too many key components are removed through injury or suspension, we are left with Thudd Siggy, Livermore or the untested Carroll in midfield. The solid base is gone, as we saw today. We'll see the same problems if Bale or/and Lennon are out for an extended period of time, unless Falque steps up.
Guyver
Friedel played very well today. It could have been 0-3. He has already mentioned though that he may intend to retire at the end of this season. If we have truly p)ssed off Lloris he may go aswell. I am not saying at the moment Lloris is better than Brad, just if someone of that class is not being used week in and week out, something's gotta give!
mountainyid
Bloody furioius. There's NO excuses for a loss against Wigan, NONE AT ALL. 4-4-2 SHOULD be a formation @ Home vs "weaker" opposition. AVB has 2 address this PATHETIC slump in so called form. Fix up & kick the lads firmly in the arse. I rate & believe in AVB & want him 2 remain @ WHL for a long time, however HE must sort this situation. We've looked a shadow of the past 2 seasons.
Tot-Nam Vet
Is AVB now in danger of being the new Christian gross or Juande Ramos?
4everaspur
mountainyid If he does retire at the end of the season i can see no reason as to why we shouldn't get rid of Parkes and have him as goalkeeping coach. He may have a few faults but so does every 'keeper and I feel he can't be any worse than parkes
chrishove123
So a lesson was given by Wigan to Spurs. Respect every opponent. Don't count match points until they have been won. Get behind the team and appreciate what each player can do rather than bitch about this or that thing that each one is supposedly lacking in. Draw up a list of the pros and cons, in a mature fashion, to get things in perspective.
Airwave
Wigan will beat other teams this season, not least because no other club is entitled to expect that the points should go to the bigheads.
Airwave
Sorry for the quadruple post my phone is playing silly buggers. MrSpur, one expects Spurs to beat Wigan, but with the midfield we had out there today I think that we would struggle to beat anyone. We were forced to go down the flanks all of the time to create chances. If we had Sandro and Dembele in there the defence wouldn't have been so exposed and we would of had a much greater threat on the counter, instead of Hudd slowing the game down all of the time. I'm not too frustrated at this loss, because we have such a huge pile up injuries. Can't really blame AVB for todays loss imo.
Fanman
Hats off to Wigan for their performance today, they played with great zeal, they were obviously out to make amends for the loss midweek, shame we could not rise to the occasion, no pace, no composure, we were pretty clueless, midfield was nowhere to be seen, passing was atrocious, did Defoe have a shot at goal today? big miss losing Sandro. Levy needs to spend some money this January on strikers and a midfield maestro to replace modric,as he has done phuck all over the last 2 January windows. Best attackers today were Verts & Caulker, which says it all.
CanUkSpur
In defence of the team and the players (as if they need defending!), The team selection is made by AVB, the formation is chosen by AVB, the tactics are put in place by AVB, the substitutions are made by AVB. So the players MOSTLY play (not perform) as AVB demands of them. He was constantly doodling on his note pad (shopping list for the wife?) and then trying to relay his new found formula to Lennon and Walker. To me the players seemed disjointed and their expressions tell me that they are still not sure what their roles are and I don’t think (from body language) they approve of what AVB preaches. What is disappointing is that individuals (apart from Bale) are not performing. We’ve relied on lady luck for too long, so hardly surprising that the better team won today. All in all, with the ongoing injury issues, I would be very worried short term. As much as I was optimistic that we may still be hanging on to 4th place by x-mas, the state of current play suggests 8th or 9th. No recoveries from the injured appear in sight. So exactly WHERE is AVB supposed to find a solution? Having Lloris and Ade in the starting line-up would go some way in instilling some confidence.
Critical_Spur
Sadly it is becoming obvious that AVB just hasn't got a "Spurs manager" mentality. We have for 50 years at least to my knowledge (with the exception of when the man in the white raincoat was manager, I still can't speak his name), been a team playing football trying to win games, not directly we go ahead trying to shut up shop, or not going all out to equalise if we get behind. He has a typical defensive Latin mentality, so either we have to change, or he has, if the relationship is to work. I can't see him having a personality transplant, so either we settle for football lacking the attacking excitement we have been brought up to expect, and streaky results, or he will have to go, if our standards of performance and level of achievement drop away. Unfortunately our chairman never learns from his mistakes, we have of course been here before with Mr. One day Ramos.
Frank
I look at players and any idea of what they're thinking, is all in my head. I wonder if people look at me and know what I'm thinking. I have no idea what AVB is thinking but I believe him to be as thoughtful as the next person. He'll mull over today's performance, look at players fit, available and suitable for the next match, and take it from there.
Airwave
Lack of investment from Levy (as instructed by ENIC) shocking hiring and firing of managers by Levy, an incredibly haphazard transfer policy, that would be Levy again and this is te inevitable result. He only spent money when tere was a danger of us falling out of the premier league but he refused to sincerest when we wee in the Champions League. I think tat ells a story. We are now left with a manager who, lets be honest has not got a clue. He seems to have completely abandoned his football philosophy. He has no idea what to do against a good defence and he panics when we take the lead. I hate to say it but we have gone from Champions League contenders back to our familiar position of a mid table premier league team. What is the point of a new stadium and mid table football. Congratulations Daniel Levy. You should be fired but for the fact you are doing exactly what ENIC demand.
jonathan01
Apologies for the typos.
jonathan01
As much as I have grave doubts about AVB, and how he reacts to pressure, Teflon Levy must not escape his share of the blame. In fact it is ironic that on every occasion that circumstance demand transfer investment, he retreats and locks his wallet. Firstly when we qualified for the CL and got to the last 8, there was no player investment forthcoming to consolidate for continued qualification. Then there was last January, we were lying 3rd in the PL threatening to again qualify fr the CL, there was no investment to cement it. Then having sacked HR, and selling our 3 most creative players in Modric, VDV, and Kranqcar, no meaningful investment in like for like replacements, to give new manager AVB the tools required to move forward. It almost seems as though he and Lewis would rather stay just off the pace against rivals, not actually qualifying for the CL, or winning trophies, to keep running costs down. Having said that, I am afraid that AVB is unfortunately the wrong choice as our manager.
Frank
Fanman says we can`t blame AVB for this loss .Really ?
2 be outclassed by Wigan at home then AVB is 100% to blame .IMO a regular fan who knows a fair amount about Spurs & the players would have done a better job today .

Subs ,tactics & first 11 all wrong by AVB today .There is nowhere for him to hide ,or Levy
big cockeral
Anyone wanting to e mail (or emaul) Mr. Levy here is an email address i have for him. I was told it is a personal one, but I am not sure about that. What I do know is that I HAVE had an answer from either him or his representative when using this address. so if anyone wants to get in touch with him here is your chance, daniel.levy@spurs.co.uk
chrishove123
PATHETIC PLAYERS / PATHETIC MANGER / PATHETIC CHAIRMAN / PATHETIC OWNER / WE ARE PHUCKED UNLESS THERE ARE BIG CHANGES
Cape Town Spurs
MIDFIELD - Hmmmm last season opening two games we had MODRIC & KRANJCAR playing together, now we all know modric is a class player, but when your next to a donkey with no pace, life is going to be hard, how long does it take hudd to run 100mtrs? I would be interested to know the answer, because we have the same problem, that showed up today, wigan played out at 3-5-2, the 5 each of the wide players shut out Lennon and Bale, knowing our attacks come from these positions, we never had the knowledge to out think them, taking off Defoe, one of the only players we have who can score goals, was criminal, he should have stayed on, we could have then also gone 3-5-2 like for like. The changes made no difference, no impact, no pattern in play changed, we just had know idea, what to do, is that AVB or players with little ability? we have some class players, but today showed we have some average players, we lack game changing players, to many injuries are allowing 2nd rate players the chance, but who is taking that chance, the only guy who stands out is Caulker in that bracket mentioned, Vertonghen is class, Lennon is a one trick pony and his record games to goals is poor, so his not someone you can hope will get us a goal in hard times, we have no goal scoring midfield players, we need them badly, but will it change in january, i don't see it, we know who we would like to come, but 2yrs we have chased him Leandro. Eriksen would be a class act, but one of the big clubs will snap him up, you don't buy second class tickets, when you want to travel first class.
spu 4 life
I don't think this is pessimism but much of our performances resemble the ones of chelsea under avb. I hope it gets better when all our players are back but so far there are plenty of signs of trouble for us and we can't keep bringing up excuses for our performances, not when you lose at home to wigan. many say the problem is we need a striker but seriously if defensive we would have been solid our results would have been much better.
logos8
"Round up the usual suspects." There's only 3/4 of the PL season left.
Airwave
Frank, so in your opinion AVB was the wrong choice. Maybe my memory is failing me but I don't quite remember you making that statement after the Man U game. I don't get his perseverance with Friedel, Gallas and Livermore, that said he is the coach, he is entitled to pick the players at his disposable (lucky him). Until he is given the players he can work with it's unfair and unwise to pass judgement, I am sure if he had a fit Adebayor, VDV Sandro/Parker and Modric at his disposable today it would have been a different game. Let's give him a season and some players before we dismiss him as a failure. COYS
ItalianYiddo
I can't keep hoping that avb will turn out to be the man we need when he keeps starting friedel in the premiership. something is fundamentally wrong in this guy's head and he will be the only one to blame if we keep having poor results. I would have taken a loss at old trafford and some wins against the bottom teams instead of the other way around.
logos8
True. How can we start slagging off Lloris if he doesn't get games?
Airwave
logos8 it will improve when they all get fit, i hope all remain fit, but the damage it causes waiting is the problem, i have never in over 52 yrs seen us play that bad and not even having any answers to the problems, that's what amazed me. AVB has the right idea, he knows what he wants, is it just a bad day at the office?
spu 4 life
I said at the start of the season after two games that Villas Boas will be out by Christmas, and I still hold to that. We'll be fire fighting again, and will probably finish just above mid-table. Our brilliant owners are probably Googling Peter Shreeves for his details as we speak. No doubt any televised games involving us from now on will juxtapose pictures of an increasingly nervous manager frantically giving hand signals that no player understands, with a stern faced Levy sitting in the Directors box, looking for all the world like a Bond villain, who's subterranean missile silo has just been blown up.
lordjohnny
henry baker brown i bet you feel like a complete tit after your gobbing off on our site earlier on, when will you ever learn not to gob of before youve even kicked of !!!!! remember last season and try and learn from it
cornish gooner
lol Airwave
Guyver
logos8 As I have already said i am no great fan of BF BUT to be honest Lloris has actually done nothing to impress me much to warrant him stepping into Friedel's boots. he looked shaky against Norwich and no matter what anyone says the goal was his fault. Friedel would have been hammered for that mistake but Lloris wasn't. On todays showing i thought Friedel had a very good game apart from one mistake. Lloris made one mistake against Norwich which cost us the game so if he is only as good as Friedel and not better why put in like for like. I have a nasty feeling that Lloris will not make it as a Prem keeper becauase he will not be able to handle the physical side of our game. Sorry he may be in the top 5 'keepers of the world but he is no Pat Jennings Petr Cech or Peter Schmeichel in his physique. AVB must have his reasons not to play lloris and that as the manager is his choice. The whys and wherefores are his and his alone ultimately and he must see something in training to keep friedel in and lloris out after all he is a very hands on manager when it comes to training.
chrishove123
Lloris also looked a bit ropey to me in Europe as well. For someone who is supposed to be such a world class 'keeper he is not showing what he can do at all.
chrishove123
lordjohnny Levy just needs his fluffy white cat and he is set.
chrishove123
chishove, he kept France in the game against the European and World champions last month by saving a pen, could you see Brad doing that?
ItalianYiddo
To say AVB looks out of his depth is an understatement
big cockeral
In my eyes, the blame for the goal definitely lies with Brad. Under pressure, high ball near the crossbar....imo, any good keeper would be looking to tip it over the bar....ah, but not our Brad. Then he tried the Van der Saar trick of punching it out of the net!!!. Sure it’s not totally Brad’s fault that we lost, it’s the team and the manager and their performances that brought about that result. A rare brave decision AVB made was to substitute Walker (that we all noticed was due a reminder) and Defoe (imo a wrong move).

Gallas appeared to be struggling, with what appeared to be a groin or was it someone kicked him in the goolies?.....so perhaps another player that may be out for a while? TBH, I think the team that lost to Norwich would’ve done better today. Really needed to bag some points before we hit a run of tough games. You never know, we may do another Manchester club!

With Arsenal losing, Everton and Mancity drawing, we messed up the opportunity to consolidate 4th.
Critical_Spur
ItalianYido, AVB has had his false dawn, his one day of glory at OT, just as Ramos had in the CC final v Chelsea, but he appears unable to react to pressure, and doesn't close games out when we are in front, but is content to try and defend narrow leads, by subbing attacking players, and bringing on defensive alternatives, which has already cost us results this season,and will continue to do so.
Frank
Chrishove123, re Lloris. IMO he is under too much pressure when he asked to perform in the odd game that he is allowed to play. Give him a run of games and I am sure he’ll never look back. He has barely played behind the same back 4, considering he gets one chance in 3 games.
Critical_Spur
what has happened to Dempsey? he looks like he's on valium nowaday's, so slooow when on the ball... I hope we drop him next game, go 4-4-2 with Huddlestone, Sandro center and Ade & Defoe together upfront 'cause this isn't working without Dembele. Sigurdsson is not good enough - poor first touch, poor passer, bad shot and his finishing doesn't seem to be working either.
spurswede
Sadly Frank is right .

IMO Friedel,Gallas,Walker,Defoe & lennon are the worst culprits for poor performances .All our getting shown up by apparent weaker players from teams like Norwich ,Southampton ,Maribor & West brom
big cockeral
Oh yes & add Clint Dempsey ,another numpty
big cockeral
Winning a trophy a false dawn, winning at OT before a lot of fans were born, as far as understatements go that takes some beating. Actually IMO Ramos is a good coach, still earning his keep in the game. He had the rug pulled under his feet by the sale of Berba and Keane and I have no doubt he would have steadied the ship given time, no way we would have being relegated. Back to AVB, this time last year Harry had a decent spine to his team, King, Modric, VDV, Ade flanked by Bale and Lennon and a fit Ekotto and Kaboul. A bit easier to manage don't you think?
ItalianYiddo
Players and managers should all be paid based on performance. It really is as simple as that. These idiots think they're superstars when the truth is they're really only idiots with ideas well above their station. Pathetic is all I can say. We were tired, I hurt my knee, they called me rude names. Yeah, whatever, for 50K a week do your job and do it well or phuck off and never return.
Cape Town Spurs
Critical_Spur The problem i have at the moment with him is he can perform at international level but not at Prem level. I really do hope he makes it but I am seriously starting to have my doubts now. If he can't handle the pressure he has to take them maybe he shouldn't play, he has looked nervy out there.
chrishove123
ItalianYiddo That is my point exactly, he can do it for France but he looks nervous and shaky to me when he plays for us. If he can't handle the pressure he shouldn't play. I have a bad feeling about him playing in the Prem and wouldn't be surprised if he asks for a transfer because he realises he can't take the physical side of our games week in week out, but cites lack of game time as his excuse.
chrishove123
Until we have proper owners who understand to be a top club you mustn't lock out 20,000 every home game, we'll just play at all the top four nonsense. It ain't a manager's fault that he has to play saps when he wants better players, and we have now, and always have had, very shallow depth in our squad, despite the usual braindead TV pundits insisting we have the best squad in the league. It is ENIC, who should do us all a favour and get out. They've had since 2001 to build our stadium, when they announced it was a priority, and have been as all over the place with that with no improvement, as they have with managers.
lordjohnny
chrishove123 do you think friedel played better than lloris in his first 5 games in the EPL? lloris has the potential but he needs game time if he is to become a top epl goalkeeper.
logos8
Not a great week, first dumped out of the CC by Norwich Res, then beaten at home by a Wigan side who came with 8 points from 9 games, not exactly a record to frighten anybody. I see a statementy by AVB on London 24, saying he has no need to bring players in in the January window, he must be deluded. It seems as part of his package he must have been given some ENIC shares, so doesn't want to spend any of their money.
Frank
Milito just given Inter the lead against Juve away. Apparently we once made a bid for him, and Llorente and Falcao and Hazzard and Suarez and Kaka and Obama and Bolt.....
ItalianYiddo
Regarding Lloris it may well be he doesn't fancy the physicallity of the PL. I remember another highly rated French keeper who came over to Man U. Fabien Barthez didn't exactly relish it in Englan either. To quote Corporal Jones "they don't like it up em".
Frank
ItalianYiddo don't worry. we will make some bids in January too in the last 5 minutes of the transfer window. messi, ronaldo take your pick. it will look good in the papers for the fans.
logos8
Hugo lloris has played one EPL game & kept a clean sheet ,what`s more a man to do ?
Friedel has still to keep one
big cockeral
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/121103/villas-boas-wigan-taught-us-lesson-184532
g. roberts testes
I really don't think it is anything to do with the physicality of the EPL with Lloris. Goalkeepers face physicality in a penalty area FULLSTOP, regardless of what country or comp they play in. IMO, with AVB, it's could be an age issue. He got the boot from Chelski 'cos of the old brigade. So he seems to be keeping Gallas and Friedel on his side. Just my opinion!
Critical_Spur
@Italian yiddo........and pele and eusebio and george weahs' cousin who played 3 mins at Southampton and malcolm tucker.
g. roberts testes
big c spot on with lloris
logos8
groundhog day.
pratts bottom
modric scored for real
logos8
g. roberts testes, we can either laugh or cry, so let's laugh ...and Finney and Matthews and the Dalai Lama and the Pope....
ItalianYiddo
From nine to zero!!! How utterly depressing to watch a Spurs side totally devoid of ideas,creativity and passion.Hudd is now a joke and would struggle in the Championship...such a shame because he had huge potential.Sadly he has to go in Jan.Dempsey and Siggy are totally out of their depth and are offering nothing to the team.They have to go in Jan.Playing with a midget as main striker striker is totally frustrating for Bale who will be gone in the summer. Carroll and Falque are nice,neat lads but are shadows of Modric and VDV....they are simply not good enough.Lennon wants a big SHOCK...get practising...you're fast but little else.Take a look at Walcott who is desperate to score.I really feel for AVB because he has a pretty cr*p squad of players wth no strikers and no midfield general but playing with one dwarf up front at home is unbelievable (MR LEVY!!).WE have been needing a striker for four seasons and are still waiting. Janwill bring us another panic buy at the 11th hour as we struggle to avoid dropping into the relegation zone again.Thanks a lot Mr Levy for sacking yet another manager in the new year.
wentworth
Frank I know we don't exactly see eye to eye on some things but as i have said I think that may well be part of the problem. Look at his build and look at David De Ghea, he was supposed to be the next top prem 'keeper for Man U but his physique has let him down big time as he can't deal with the physicality of the game. I feel that is Lloris's problem too and we may well be saying bye bye to him very soon. The thing is I really hope not because he has the p[otential to be world class for us.
chrishove123
Critical_Spur that has crossed my mind as qwell but you have to take into account that on the continent and south America if the players are so much as touched they go down like a ton of bricks, so the +games outside British football are nowhere near as physical as over here and they don't take as much physical punishment as they do here
chrishove123
Maybe the problem is something as simple as has already been suggested, that his command of English isn't as good as it should be so he can't communicate with the outfield players the way he needs to as a 'keeper.
chrishove123
Lordjohnny, you are as usual spot on. There are owners like Abramovitch and the Mansours who, love them or hate them for their money, are prepared to invest in the players neeeded to bring success to their clubs. Then there are the Joe Lewiss of this world, who buy a football club in a big city, primarily as a property investment, to spend just enough to keep it in the PL, so as to preserve it's investment value, but not prepared to invest enough on the pitch to chase success, that is not the priority. The 11 year wait for a new stadium is a clue, I still doubt that ENIC will actually build it, better for them to sell with all the planning issues dealt with and concessions gained.
Frank
Italian yiddo...too very true......and blanchflower and Nobby styles and derren brown and guru nanak and chief sitting bull and joey essex and Eddie the eagle and lofty from eastenders,(sorry he's a scum fan,lets tar and feather him instead)....it actually works.i literally laughed out loud when reading your message and typing this one.i have to stop now as i didn't see the match and have to catch the highlights (?) on MOTD....i can feel a slight depression looming!
g. roberts testes
Frank If they do sell we may well get a better owner who WILL put up the dosh needed for the future development of the team as well as build us our new stadium. At least we have a new state of the art training facility now, that is the first step taken and I hope for many more steps and very soon, preferably THIS January.
chrishove123
Man City, Arsenal, West Ham, Liverpool, Fulham, Everton, those are our next 6 PL opponents, let's see where we are after that lot, I fear that we will ge a reality shock. The gravy train of the bottom 6 is over, now we have to play the proper teams.
Frank
Although the football has been total garbage for the vast majority of this season's 15 matches ( I include cup games, although some like to ignore them ), it's unfair to judge AVB until he gets all his own choice of players. I'm sure Levy is working hard to buy the entire Barcelona squad for AVB, but even if we get them, we shouldn't expect decent performances until our tactical genius has had at least 4 seasons to work with them lol.
Big Chiv
Chrisovel23, don't forget the new Sainsbury's, it ain't every PL club that has one of them.
Frank
Frank- And the football is straight out of their 'basics' range.
lordjohnny
Big Chiv, we have to be patient. The tactic of dominating possession in our own penalty area will begin to pay off soon enough...
LizardSpur
...try sitting in the stadium at WHL and watching what I just watched....people on here say the boo boys have no right to express their anger....do you know how much it costs to get inside WHL and watch a game? have you seen how much Levy charges us for our season tickets to come in and watch, to watch what?....this kind of perfomance? HR must be laughing up his sleeve..AVB our new Messiah..the man with more tactical nounce in his little finger than Harry has in his whole body....the same tactical nounce who left us with no striker at St Marys and takes off Defoe for Adebyour when we were still chasing the game? Phuck off! and Phuck you Levy ...Lord Jonnny spot on ....ENIC and Levy go away and leave us alone ...give our club back to people and owners who actually want us to win something instead of trying to get honours on the cheap...we just morphed into Stoke.... that's our level now , forget top 4, dont bother having any expectations as some on here have said..look at the longer term...give AVB time ...this is a project..Levy's project....AVB is our future....he'll come good just you wait and see......well I am sorry but if Northumberland is built you wont be filling that stadium with performances like this.....at the moment AVB stands for Average, Verging on Boring!
OyVeh Maria
Your not wrong Lordjohnny LOL.
Frank
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11675/8221056/Roberto-Martinez-has-advised-Tottenham-s-Gareth-Bale-against-Spain-move martinez before the game "We know how to win at White Hart Lane." does avb know how to win at whl? :p
logos8
You are absolutely right OyVeh Maria, I'm afraid we will never win anything until Lewis, Levy and Co. sell up and ride away over the horizon, with their exorbitant profit, and hopefully have sold to somebody with the means, the will, and the ambition, to take this club forward, to where it, and the fans, want and deserve to be.
Frank
november fixtures after the trip to maribor: man city, arsenal, lazio, west ham and liverpool. tough
logos8
and Fulham and Everton away, difficult run coming up.
Guyver
I never thought id say this but.............. Bring back Harry! Avb does not know how to pick a strong starting 11. All of our creative football has vanished. Teams don't fear us like they did under Mr harry.
01tottenham
Friedel?........................ F*U*C*K OFF YOU OLD GIT and RETIRE. YOUR AVERAGE, INFACT YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGHOUT YOUR HOLE CAREER.
01tottenham
Dempsey? Another clown that thinks hes better then he really is. such a AVERAGE player. Dempsey to Fulham and bring back VDV FFS.
01tottenham
OyVeh Maria, it won't be long before we start seeing thousands of seats empty.
01tottenham
I want Lloris in goal, but Friedel kept us in it up until his blunder. It's in the middle we have the problem. We won't sell rat face until we have a replacement, yer right that's why the replacement is still playing for Porto. AVB not given a real chance, as soon as Levy never completed transfer activity for start of the season, sorry make that never completed our transfer activity. Still key players out, be interesting to see the side when or if we are ever at full strength.
Chelmspur
You pays your hard earned Oyveh, you've got every right to boo. They never say don't cheer too loud when we're winning, so should expect plenty of clog when they're exhibiting the sort of crapola seen today.
lordjohnny
would you guys be slagging off fridel if we had drawn 0-0? okay, probably, knowing some of you lot on here, but he nearly saved us a point, some really excellent saves, yes, poor for the goal but other than that he was outstanding. We were 4hite and we all know it. God save us for citeh and arse away....really....we'll see what we are made of from now until the endo f the month...
COYS_TSB
Chelmspur Playing devil's advocate here, you could well say that Lloris kept us in it up until his blunder against norwich., but both 'keepers have been dreadfully let down by their defence and the defence has been badly let down by the midfield. At the end of the day it is a team game and we are not playing and a team so to apportion the blame to one player alone is ridiculous and unfair.
chrishove123
also, any of you guys have any news on sandro and dembele's injuries?
COYS_TSB
Chrishove123, that blunder by Friedel was basic goal keeping error.Under pressure, ball coming near the crossbar.... As for his other saves (think there were three), two of them were hit directly at him,so he's being given the benefit! I thought Wigan strikers had come from the same school as Defoe, i.e., shoot at the goalie. Just as well, otherwise the game could've been over a lot earlier.
Critical_Spur
And let's look on the bright side. We're level on points with Everton who are 4th, and we're missing half the team. But id hate to think what would happen to us if we were to play sig and hudd against the mancs and le arse...oh dear....im going to throw up...will be back...i hope... :-(
COYS_TSB
and sorry for persistent posting, but why do you the fans go to the game you guys? hmm? is it to get behind the lads, because they and you too love them? well, I, just like tons and tons of other fans find it really hard to get a ticket and can only make the occasional trip to WHL or any other Spurs game for that matter. So please, stop with the **** and stop moaning and groaning and booing...I mean, do you expect the lads to play well with a demanding bunch like the lot at WHL today whipping their backs constantly? Goodness me you guys, going to the Lane is a privilige, not to be taken for granted, so if ythe boo-boys dont want their tickets, they can wipe their arses with them or at least give them to people who can get behind the team. The poor support has to be sorted out. No wonder why we can't buy a home win ATM....anyway, onwards and upwards! COYS!
COYS_TSB
Critical_Spur Freidel managed the saves due to his reactions and actually got his arm out to it it wasn't hit straight at him. The goal Lloris let in was a pretty basic error as well and if that had been Friedel he qwould have been castigated for it, but seeing as it qwas the new golden boy lloris he was let off because he isn't Friedel. Like i have said I am not a great fan of Friedel but he is doing his job and the only reason lloris got that clean sheet was because we wee up against a team that wasn't playing in a fashion that made it easy for us. Could you honestly hand on heart see Lloris keeping a clean sheet today or against Man U. I can't because our outfield is letting other teams dominate and the back four are makeshift and Vert is playing put of position and lloris' game was against a team that is now below Wigan.
chrishove123
Sorry that should have been WAS playing in a fashion that made it easy for us.
chrishove123
Based on performances so far this season when everyone is fit would go with Lloris, Kaboul, Caulker, Verts, Ekotto, Lennon, Sandro, Dembele, Bale, Ade and Defoe. Only once we get something resembling this team out on the pitch for a sustained period of time can we truely start to judge the reign of AVB. Friedel has to hand over the reigns and Lloris allowed to fully and properly establish himself. Walker by his own admission has been poor and Kaboul has always played well at RB so for me its a no brainer once he's back fit. Caulker and Verts to form a new long term partnership at CB (although Gallas has played relatively well like with Friedel has to pass on his position for the good of the long term future of the club) and Ekotto back where he belongs on the left. Midfield picks itself very easily, the only difficultly would be how to fit in Parker but Sandro has been that good that Parker can only aspire to a place on the bench. Which leaves up front, Demps and Siggy have so far proven to be poor signings so its very simple take our best forward from last season added to our best this season and hopefully we get a combined powerful strikeforce. That for me is our best team and we have not come close to getting it out on the field yet, so to be knocking around 4th nearly 3 months into the season is not bad going! That said we have had easier fixtures than those coming up, so the real test begins now and hopefully all the injured players are back soon to make a truely competitive side as outlined above.
El Jefe
When Sandro went off, that meant we were without him & Dembele, and add Parker to that. This allowed Wigan to concentrate on defending the wings because there was no threat going forward from midfield. Livermore (who nobody here seems to like anyway) is also injured. That left us with Hudd (still a long way from being anywhere near his best) and Gylfi (who has struggled to settle in). Add to that, you could hear a pin drop at the lane today (after about 10 mins, and BEFORE Sandro went off) and you guys wonder why we struggle? Sure, there are plenty points for discussion, but when a team is depleted as much as ours is through injuries (add to that the loss of Mod and VDV). Did you guys seriously expect another 9-1? I agree that we were awful, but if you take 5 key players from any team in the Prem (and possibly every team in Europe), they will struggle. Wigan must absolutely love our fans too. If you wanna be so forthcoming in bitching at the players, then we also need to look at our own performance, because we were ****e. All you have to do is look at the comments you yourselves have posted, not just here today, but as early as our first three games. You can kid yourself all you want, but we have been on our own team's back since AVB was appointed. There are a lot of people viewing the comments here, who are not registered, and who do not comment, yet they are influenced by what is said. This goes for other sites too. There is far too much random hatred amongst a lot of people here. For example, Ox's article titled "Is Dempsey the new Pienaar?" -- another player who didn't get much of a chance, from either the manager and us. Now he's back at Everton and playing some fantastic football. Truth is, anyone who doesn't hit the ground running with us becomes a target in our eyes, and the saddest thing of all is that most of our fans take a masochistic joy in this. If you want players to stand up and fight for the club, then shouldn't we, the people who expect this attitude, stand up and fight for them? Now, you may all talk about having the right to throw abuse at players because of the wages they are on, and how much it costs to get into the Lane these days. For the first, I say get over it. It is the way it is and is not going to change. You may say for 50k a week I'd take any amount of abuse, and I would too. But I tell you this, I'd perform a hell of a lot better if I wasn't getting that abuse. Now, I mentioned Ox earlier in a negative light, so now I feel it only fair to show him in a positive one. I totally respect him for defending Livermore. Ask yourselves this: When was the last time a player came through the ranks at our club, and made it? I mean, really made it? Lennon? Bought! Bale? Bought! Walker? Bought! Defoe? Bought. On and on it goes. yet, when we have a promising player (If things carry on, the same will happen to Townsend et al) what do we do? Do we give him a chance to learn his trade and develop? Do we offer support, give them time to gain experience and prove themselves? NO! We dont! So, lets recap for a second. We don't give new players who don't shine immediately any breathing space to adapt to our club. We slate, and abuse our own, home-grown players when they are on a learning curve, and then we cry out for Levy to bring in "proven" world class players, which costs money in transfers and wages, and on top of the new training ground and the future cost of the new Stadium (Frank, you made some good points about that, but as this is already a seriously long post, I'll have to chat with you about that another time! lol) we as fans suffer going through the gates. I had to move to Ireland for work commitments, I have a young family to support, and I get back to the Lane as often as I can. I was able to watch the game today on TV over here, and I actually thanked God I wasn't there today. WE, as fans, were awful! WE, as fans, on this forum and others, are pathetic. Did you see Bale today? He wasn't just frustrated at the how we were playing. He didn't look happy playing at the Lane! And I don't blame him, not with that atmosphere! The booing of AVB taking off Defoe for Ade actually had me in stitches, because the majority of posts I've read here and elsewhere wanted Ade in and Defoe out! Again, we were poor as a team today, and disgraceful as fans. No wonder we look more at home playing away, where true support is shown for our players. Love my Team, seriously hating a lot of people here with great vengeance and furious anger (okay, sorry, but I do love that quote!). COYS!
SpursEagle
It will be a long hard slog for us until we get Parker,Kaboul,Dembele and co back. That is the spine of any decent team in the PL. The biggest problem is a world class striker which we have needed now for the last 3 years to keep up the progress to get us into the true top 4 teams in this country. Garth Crooks summed up AvB- he is far too rigid in his tactics hence the Ade for Defoe diabolic substitution at 0-1 Down!!
WestStandEnclosure
im not convinced by huddlestone and wouldnt mind if he went. he does nothing. we miss VDV his goals and creativity. yes he couldnt manage 90 mins but he did the business before then more times than not. obviously we need modric replacement. i like the look of dembele, hopefully he is back. but i think we should be looking at going back to 4-4-2 with ade and defoe. my team from now on would be (when injurys are back) lloris, walker, kaboul, vertonghen, benny, lennon, parker (captian) dembele, bale, defoe, ade anyone agree?
ng9-yid
and if levy backed AVB we would have got mountino and willian. the team would have a bit more depth and we would be better off i recon. if we want to be better, we have to invest. levy good at making money but thats about it. if we lose bale, get used to finishing around 14th every year, thats what border line we are on. but i hope we invest in jan and back avb. he has to take defoe at times as he will get burnt out.
ng9-yid
when you let Corluka, Krank Modric VDV all go in the same season you are going to have issues ... b.ollox Sig has not settled in the PL he played for Swansea last season just an average player not good enough for us Dempsey another waste of ******** space never should of been at the lane ... Defoe can ***** off had is purple patch will now help the rot set in AVB has to buck his idea up ... I see Chelsea happening as he is persisting with player out of form ... as for that W.anky F.u.cking American Friedel ... someone shoot him and put him out of his misery like a ******** dog on his last legs who will not die peacefully ... if that was Gomes you lot would of ripped him a new asshole for that but Frediel the ***** stain is OK? Dempsey, Defoe, Sig, Friedel, Gallas, all have to go in Jan they are the rot ... we are going to sink faster thant eh titanic with AVB in charge ... not sad about the result as wigan fully deserved it as stated but AVB is the man to take the wrap for this ... don't tell me he had no input to the players coming and going once appointed .
E17YID
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E17YID
Once again, great post SpursEagle. However i warn you, you are banging your head against a brick wall with this lot. I said on AVB's appointment that the only thing that can stop him being a long-term success would be our own fans who were brainlessly negative to AVB right from the start. I stand by that. Judging by how outrageously terrible our fans are at WHL and on this site this season my worries are growing. At least our next 2 games are away from home so the lads and manager will get some proper support from the proper fans who travel. Its no surprise to me that our away form is much better than our home form so far. If the brainless boo-boys get their way AVB may well not even get a chance at Spurs. I'm probably wasting my keypad here, but again for the brainless on here WE ARE MISSING OUR ENTIRE SPINE FROM LAST SEASON, WE LOST VDV & MODRIC WHO WEREN'T REPLACED, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 5 OR 6 KEY INJURIES. DESPITE THAT WE ARE 5TH, 2 POINTS ABOVE ARSENAL. ITS EARLY DAYS!! WE WERE NEVER GOING TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING PLAYING WORLD-BEATING FOOTBALL! LETS GET OUR PLAYERS BACK, LET THIS NEW MANAGER AND PLAYERS SETTLE IN AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE!
StillRickyVilla
By the way, Spurseagle where are you in Ireland? I had a year in Dublin there is a Spurs supporters club, they meet to watch games in Tommy Mayes pub (end of O'Connell St), met some lovely people. Also there is a Spurs supporters club internet forum on www.boards.ie. Cheers.
StillRickyVilla
You are not alone StillRickyVilla, I am with you. The merchants of doom were predicting relegation after the first 3 games, we are now 5th with half a first team missing and they still want blood. Levy has to shoulder the blame for the current situation for not replacing the quality we have lost. I am not saying AVB is perfect, the Friedel situation an example, but as I keep saying give him some players and a full season and than make a judgement.
ItalianYiddo
SpursEagle, top top post, I have SUPPORTED Spurs for many years, standing in the East Stand as a youngster and as a season ticket holder for the last 15 years and not once I have booed our players, I cringe when I hear it. Yes we have been poor at home this season but I think the crowd has played a part in that. COYS
ItalianYiddo
SRV, who let VDV go on last day and gets Dempsey in? Modric had to go didn't want to play for us ... AVB is making the same mistakes game after game .... the fans have every right to boo shocking performances ... dropped points at home to Norwich, WBA and Wigan come on that acceptable?? Chelsea shocking performance from our team ... you are right missing players BAE ... Twitchy is to blame for Parker he ran him into the ground last season rather than rotate ... lets be fair though AVB is not rotating that much he is going to burn out some of the players ... as said he persists on playing players who are out of form ie Walker ... Freidel as it is well known I hate ... you say never going to hit the ground running?? Freidel Walker Gallas Defoe Ade (injured) Bale Lennon Livermore Sandro Huddlestone were all there last season Caulker has stepped up and is showing the class I knew he would trust me he is the new King jsut hope his knees are not!! AVB, has had what 13 games in charge struggles to draw in Europa defeated to norwich ... in CO cup ony the 45 mins against UTD was any good ... as much as Harry was foolish at times he got the best out of the players he had when he had injuries etc AVB will not have time to settle I want him to be successful every fan does but what you miss is straight after a defeat it is raw and fans are passionate ... Credit was due to wigan and I am glad he admitted it but we should not lose to teams of that standard .... stilll will prob pick up 6 points at Arsenal and city now!!
E17YID
E17 you say AVB hasn't rotated either, a bit difficult with Parker, Dembele, BAE, Kaboul, Adebayor, that's half a team, missing. And Bale on baby duty against Chelsea.
ItalianYiddo
I understand all the comments about player injuries and squad depth posted on this thread. Agreed this is making the current job more difficult for AVB. I am, however, extremely worried by the attitude and application of the 11 players that do take to the pitch for Spurs at the moment. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to replace the quality of King, Kaboul, Modric, VdV, Dembele etc. However the job of a manager (in my opinion) is to ensure that, whatever the footballing abilities of the 11 players that take to the field of play for us, they at least try their very hardest and at least show some spirit, respect for the shirt and desire to earn their significant wages. At the moment that isn't happening for us and that is a big, big worry. I wouldn't care if AVB fielded the under 16s team if they at least looked they were trying and that they cared. The players that pull on the shirt at the moment look confused and disinterested to me. That is something AVB has to deal with immediatley or he will be failing in his duties. If AVB can get a hold of the squad and then we add some much needed quality to it (in the form of returning injured players or new arrivals) then I firmly believe we will do well with AVB. If not we're in for a long and difficult season. I fear some our players feel they can get away with a poor attitude and approach because of AVBs experience at Chelsea. This is his chance to dispel the myth.
SpuriousLife
SpursEagle top post but im afraid u are wasting your time mate...
Mix26
Dear Boo Boys at the lane yesterday F%£ OFF you know nothing about football and make me ashamed to call myself a Spurs supporter. Defoe did nothing on the ball and off it and we ain't Manchester Cityor united get over it and P1$$of to the local pantomimes where you belong !! The Players had a really bad day but were trying oh I know lets boo !!! that reallys helps them on !! please do not boo my team again in the East Stand upper you may well end up recieving a right hander :)
PondersEndSpur
Thanks ItalianYiddo. Yes, there will always be arguments over individual selections, people will want certain players in the team over others. That's football, i get that. As a manager you are not going to please everyone all the time. Spurseagle is right, the mindless booing at bringing Defoe off would have been hysterical if i wasn't so angry. 90% on here have been crying out for the Dempsey/Ade partnership on a daily basis - they get what they want to a crescendo of boos. Its laughable. What is angering me is there is a brainless core of support who almost seem to want AVB to fail. God knows what the new guys Verts, , Siggy, Dempsey, Lloris etc must be thinking about their new club (and AVB for that matter) - do they need the hassle of a horrible, cynical support who make their life hell if they make a mistake. Its certainly not an atmosphere conducive to playing your best, uninhibited football. And I certainly can't see the likes of Bale hanging around when they can quite easily swap our cess pit of booing and negativity for complete adoration elsewhere. As for the youngsters, SpursEagle is again right, its no surprise we never get anyone coming through, if they are not world class in their first few games they can jog on. The treatment of Livermore, a true Tottenham boy through and through is nothing short of disgraceful.
StillRickyVilla
Big C I think you may be right if things don't change. We cannot expect top players like Bale and Lloris to stay France international GK playing second fiddle and Bale who is wanted by Real Madrid who hasn't a quality player around him or a decent striker he can cross to. Then there is Vertonghen how long will he want to play in an average team.

We were bound to problems with new manager and losing good players that was on the cards so non of this should be a surprise. What we have to do is see what AVB does with what he has at his disposal throughout the season how he responds and we have to see what Levy does regarding opening the wallet and between them seeking some quality players in January.

In all honesty I bet AVB is really not convinced about any subs he makes because if we are honest are any of our subs game changers? Maybe he is just trying them all out to really see what they can do maybe it is part of the bigger picture and that he has been given this season to work out just who is up for it and who isn't.

Am i worried of course not because I have no faith in AVB it is too early to say he hasn't got any players of his own yet but because I am not sure what Levy is expecting. If levy is expecting top four with these players then he is deluded and the reason I am worried is if this is what Levy is expecting and AVB cannot achieve that are we going to be getting another manager.

It is hard to know what Levy and the owners are wanting. It seems to me Levy wanted CL and he felt HR cost us of that so he brought in AVB to finish the job HR started but didn't complete yet the signings and selling of players haven't matched that desire.

Now maybe that is because we just couldn't conclude the deals like Mountinho and a striker so we settled for Dembele and Dempsey. I don't know. Maybe Dembele was going to come anyway and he was also expecting Mountinho deal to be done. Siggy is a strange one in terms of what we paid. I can see why he was brought for potential but not at the price we paid. Vertonghen was a good buy to replace King.

We need to stay calm and see if Levy and co can get the players in january if they don't then their actions speak for themselves. either this season is a sorting out season with a longer term view and AVB is safe no matter what or Levy and co are not investing and are expecting miracles for a manager to achieve top four with average players, all will be revealed.

In the meantime we will have to just get on with it and it is better to try and support the players and the manager otherwise confidence will drop even further.
thfan
Right now we're capable of winning any game, but capable of losing every game.

Spuds-U-Like
YES STOP THE BOOS AND NEGATIVITY AT THE GROUND IT IS NOT HELPFUL. HAVE SOME PRIDE. WE ALL HAVE BAD DAYS AT WORK AND NOT EVERYONE AT WORK IS WORLD CLASS AT THEIR JOBS - ARE YOU?



LETS GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND MANAGER. ITS DIFFICULT TIMES BUT BOOING WILL DO NOTHING EXCEPT MAKE THINGS WORSE
thfan
A player coming through the ranks the last one was Ledley King, the next one will be Steven Caulker. And it has a lot to do with buying out cheap international players from planet xyz for very little money. CONSIDERING this; Tom Huddlestone, summer 2012, he was on his way out, out to Stoke, only he failed the medical, had he passed the medical, he would not be playing any part for us, going on a season long loan to regain his fitness and play football, only problem is, his playing for us and his about as mobile as a greyhound with a broken leg, i mentioned above he will not get his hair cut until he scores, that's his quote not mine, I'm not blaming him, his all we have left, but had his ankle not shown up in the medical, he would be at Stoke? If Siggy can't do the job, then why not allow Ryan Mason a chance to show if his up to the task, what harm can it do? I'm sure he would give his all. Livermore, Huddlestone and Siggy, that's our midfield, when we have no SANDRO; PARKER; DEMBELE, some say we have won one game without Dembele, but we have a 100% when his played, Ade is a much different option to Defoe, again what harm can it do to start both of them? The bank balance might look good, but the balance of the team does not and don't worry to much sooner rather than later, Gallas will be adding himself to the long list of injuries, it's only a matter of time before his right hamstring really goes, he was holding it everytime he moved forward for a corner, how the hell can he defend for us with that problem. Lloris needs to be given a run of games, Caulker moving to the right side of defence in place of Gallas and Vertonghen along side him, until Kaboul comes back, then we have more options, get Walker to rein back and defend better, support Lennon, the sooner BAE returns the better, but unitl then play Naughton LB again supporting Bale, switching sides is all well and good, when your not getting the ball, but do Valencia and Young switch sides, does Giggs, does Nani? 23 more points and we will be safe. Maribor home, Man City away, Arsenal away, Lazio away, our next home game in the prem is wet spam on the 25th of Nov, lets hope the players return from injury otherwise it will be 9points dropped.
spu 4 life
Thoughts on Dempsey and Siggy. Both have an identity crisis.Dempsey is not a striker and nor is he a midfielder...so what is he? Siggy is not a midfield creator or a midfield defender. ..so what is he? We knew exactly what Modric was...ball holding creative midfielder and VDV ditto with great scoring record.If you sign mediocre players with no flair or personality,you place the manager in an intolerable position.We haven't got the depth in reserve...Falque and Carroll as neat little chaps as they are will get slaughtered by the big boys.Just look at Defoe and Lennon being gobbled up by eager defenders.
wentworth
Italian yiddo, you have a very valid point about the team having key players missing, but come on you have Gallas who is having some shockers and you have Dawson on the bench might not be the best but he gives 1000% and sweats blood for the shirt .... but not played ... Livermore is a worse player than Jenas so why get shot of Jenas if we are short recall him to the squad Jenas is better than Livermore FACT ... Carroll is better than Livermore Carroll just reminds me of a young Modric .... I will repeat yesterdays boo's are a build up of all season WHL was a fortress under redknapp yeah we lost some but never play as negative as we do now I do not recall us only keeping 1 clean sheet in the prem in 9 games .... Freidel causes us problems so much LEVY and AVB need to sort this out in the summer we are going backwards fast!
E17YID
Fans aren`t allowed to boo when they`re watching complete $hit ?
That`s a joke in itself ,can cost up to £200 when you add it all up to watch a game of football these days .IMO no fan has a right to judge on who a true fan is or not .Maybe the true fans are the boo boys because they actually give a $hit & don`t appreciate being ripped off & taken for mugs .
It`s the same across the entertainment industry .Spoilt brat millionaires who are taking but not giving anything back .Lets face the simple fact that the same players you are fighting the corner for, has no care for you .
big cockeral
Look at the midfield of Hudd, Sandro (Siggy), Lennon, Bale and Dempsey and you'll find the root cause. Those players look right for a 2-3 formation but simply aren't up for it at the moment. The problem is the 3 in my opinion. They aren't working as a unit. Lennon is just going through the motions and seems scared to take on a man again. He is also reacting so late defensively as opposed to doing it naturally. Bale is still sending all the signals that he only wants to play up front and as class as he is isn't making the formation work. He needs to realise he made his name by getting the ball deeper and getting into the open space. Dempsey just isn't acting as the glue between the 2 behind him, the wide men and Defoe. He seems devoid of creativity. It's also frustrating knowing that Defoe isn't going to contribute much for 90 minutes but just might score. That's versus Adebayor who will contribute for 90 mins and probably won't score.

It's not all doom and gloom though. We move the club forward in the summer. We took action on a proliferated squad and poor manager and we shouldn't be so tough on AVB after 10 games. He's not helping himself with the GK selection but has got an injury crisis and is learning lots about his new squad. Hopefully we can make progress again in January with more deadwood going and just a couple of new faces. AVB has to focus though on getting that midfield functioning as life after Modric is tough right now.
muttley
E17YID - Dawson's as good as gone in my opinion. He now is behind a 35 year old former great, a young-gun who is settling in well, and 2 internationals one of whom one is injured and the other covering at LB. Gallas vs Dawson is a current valid debate because Gallas has looked susceptible at times. However, Dawson came in on Wednesday and was simply all at sea for Norwich's 2nd. We can perhaps forgive him this time as he's not had much game time. However, it's not as if we haven't seen that type of schoolboy error year after year. Like most, I just want Ekotto back and Vertonghen in the middle with Caulker and of course Lloris between the posts. Walker will either sort it out or give Naughton a go.
muttley
Having had some time to reflect on yesterdays result in the context of the season so far then what seems blatantly obvious is.
AVB has a style he prefers to play. Unfortunately, until he is given permission to select the players for that system, we are going to struggle. I don't believe that any of the close season signings were AVB selections. Vertonghen was chosen by the old regime and the rest were a result of Levy scouring the Opta Stats alongside transfer values. If you've seen 'Moneyball' you'll see what Levy is playing at, since baseball and football are about as similar as chalk and cheese, is it any wonder we're struggling. Levy needs to stop playing Football Manager with our club, put his ego to one side and give the manager a realistic budget from which to select the players he wants. Where did the much vaunted £100 million war chest go to? Really don't want to get into another rant about our owners as I'm as sick of typing it as I'm sure you are of reading it.
As for AVB, well he's left with a system that is a round hole and a squad that is best suited to being a square peg. Much as I like the style he's trying to introduce, I'm a bit concerned that he refuses to be flexible in his formations, he should at least have another option and judging by his substitutions he doesn't. Ade for Defoe yesterday when Dempsey was still out there doing his headless chicken impression was unforgivable. Having said that, considering he's working with another mans tools, he's not doing too badly. Is he trying to prove a point to Levy, "You bought the bloke, I'm playing him, he's a waste of money. Now let me sell him in January and by a proper link man". Who knows? What I do know though is that I'm starting to wonder if AVB has a plan B and that's a real worry. Another thing I do know is that Levy will use any uncertainty over AVB's tenure as an excuse not to invest during the January 31st Transfer Half Hour, much as he did last January to avoid the Champions League.
Our strength in depth is not what it was cracked up to be but as others have said, take the spine out of any PL side and you're going to see similar results to ours. Only thing is, I think that with a little more flexibility of system we still could have put a cohesive unit out yesterday, such as
Keeper (get to that in a minute, if you're still reading)
Dawson, Caulker, Vertonghen
Walker Naughton
Sandro
Lennon Bale
Ade
Defoe
With the players at his disposal yesterday, personally, I'd have gone with a 3-5-2 formation. Our strongest position at the minute is CB, so why not play from a position of strength rather than shift our best CB to LB?
As for the keeper, well, if Lloris' English isn't good enough to marshal his defence it would be madness to start with him. But if it is and AVB doesn't like what he sees on the training ground then we just have to accept that. seem to have, in Tony Parkes, a goalkeeping coach who excells at making decent keepers worse! If ever there was someone who got fat off the back of a penalty shoot out, it's him. Those old enough to remember him as a player would, to a man, tell you he was absolute pants week in week out, except for one night.
Gotta add that spurseagles post was absolutely spot on regarding us supporters and the way we treat home grown players. Sorry eagle if I'm a recipient of your furious anger. I may hate the owners but I'll always support THFC.
thfc1882whl
@thfc1882, if lloris cannot speak any english (which may be true but I imagine is red top pants) then why not teach the rest if the squad french? they'll learn it faster than friedel will keep a clean sheet≥
Cape Town Spurs
Thfc, if LEVY was playing football manager we would have more money .. Vert might of been from teh old era but he is turning out to be pure class for us doubt he will be at the lane in 5 year will be at utd or madrid he is that good ... Permission? you suggesting that he doesnt pick the team?
E17YID
My fellow Spurs supporters, the bottom line is that DL and ENIC have screwed us over and will continue to screw us over - if anyone needs to 'jog on' it's those tossers. DL masquerades as a fan, a fan of his own bank account is about it. Enough is enough. It Jan we'll buy no-one unless they're cheap and **** and DL and that bronzed whore shagging fossil who lives in the Bahamas can turn a profit. Sainsbury's, great, Levy should be lynched.
Cape Town Spurs
thfc1882whl, it's easier to get rid of a manager who insists on using a system he hasn't got the players for than buying the players to suit his preferred system. But that's the chairman's call. He's done brilliantly so far by sacking the most successful manager we've had in years and replacing him with one who is a proven Premier League flop.
hiano
E17YID...... Not blowing my own trumpet here mate but I've been saying since Ajax played Utd last season that Vertonghen was a class act. I think he was bought more for his resale value than with an eye on him becoming our captain for the next 10 years and that's a sad indictment of where we stand as a club under the present owners.
thfc1882whl
It all comes back to ENIC. Had they built a bigger stadium 5 or 6 years ago, we would have attracted better players, had more chance of qualifying for the Champions League, and no doubt would have been mentioned as a possible destination for the most wanted out of work manager at the moment, Guardiola. But of course it's that lot down the road that is apparently, his preferred route. As for booing, that is healthy. What sort of place are we living in, that dissent is not allowed? Are hard working fans supposed to just sit on their hands, and only offer unalloyed praise to these overpaid prima donnas? Booing a team does NOT mean you hate your club. It means that you are unhappy with the representatives of your club. They ain't doing it. They are not good enough. And remember, when they've moved on, we'll still be there. How dare anyone tell another fan how they should react. And Ponders End Spur, morons like you who threaten violence on other fans are the type who should be banned from grounds. Who the f*** do you think you are? If these thin-skinned players can't take it, they should find another profession. And to those who refer to the real world, and REAL jobs, football is different, 'cos I can't remember the last time I was cheered to the rooftops, when, as part of my job I cleaned turd marks from the bowl of the public lavs, before heading off to Faces to pick up some low-grade brain dead reality bimbo. Jaysus, apologists for modern day footballers make me want to vomit.
lordjohnny
E17YID..... I also suspect you're right about Vertonghen moving, although I think that 5 years may be wishful thinking. Dembele looks a perfect fit for Utd, Vertonghen could go anywhere he wanted and Bale is probably already house hunting in Spain. Doubt any of them will be wearing the shirt in two years time and who can really blame them?
Oh and don't expect like for like replacements either, we don't do that anymore thanks to our smalltime owners. If we don't get CL football this season Bale will be gone in the summer and when we have to start paying the lions share of Adebayors wages we'll not be able to shift him on. He'll sit there picking up his salary just like he did at City. Levy has alienated countless chairmen, agents and players with his antics during numerous windows, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will, very soon, come a time when 'what goes around, comes around'.
thfc1882whl
I don't think people are saying booing isnt allowed, but it isnt always helpful during games. If people genuinely have a problem with how the club is being run, how about a protest either before or after the game, as Newcastle fans did after Hughton was replaced by Pardew. Some of the squad players we are now being forced to use are simply not that good, booing them isnt going to change that, its more likely to make them play worse.
Guyver
Ohh....I'm a modern day player and I'll only play well if you cheer me all the time. Otherwise it's all your fault when we lose. What a crock of ****.
lordjohnny
spuriouslife- summed up to perfection,but AVB has not been helped by levy and his daft transfer system, or some of his own decisions. ie lioris dropped again and being too defensive.
topspur53
booing is just counter productive
topspur53
crock of **** Lordjohnny?? The bookie's disagree, they seem to believe that playing at home gives you an advantage, thats why odds are shortened for home teams. In theory it shouldnt make much difference, but it clearly does.
Guyver
Chrihove123. Re-read my comments, I had missed out the line where Sandro off? who to replace him with, so itjust read Sandro? All my mistake....Sorry ! COS
ro6ertj
Playing $hit is counter productive
big cockeral
Guyver- So we lost yesterday because fans had the temerity to tell the team they were crap? Er...I think not.
lordjohnny
Well clearly the dead atmosphere from start to finish didnt help, but of course that isnt the sole reason we lost.
Guyver
bigC lol
topspur53
Supporting your team does not make you an apologist. And it doesn't matter how much money a player is getting, they are still human, suffer loss of form, feel pressure etc ... I think this wage crap has become a cliche, a convenient excuse for people to boo or hurl abuse. If we were bottom 3? I could probably understand it, but at the start of yesterday's game we were top four. In the last 28 years, we have won THREE trophies, and please don't make me list out our league positions in that time, you can look that up yourselves. I just don't get the mentality of people who expect us to just turn up and hammer teams. And like it or not, the Lane is not, and never will be a fortress if the fans keep carrying on like this. If you think support and atmosphere don't make a difference, then I'll ask you to look up Munster rugby, a team I've come to know. They are a little provincial team, with fanatical support that has carried them to TWO Heineken Cup wins. Thomond Park is feared by all the big teams. The Lane? I think it's everyone's favourite away ground at the moment. I'm not saying the abusers are not true fans, I'm saying they need a dose of cold realism and perspective. Why dont we give new players a chance? Why can't we see that there are a number of factors at play in our club at the moment and get behind what is a promising team, in the early stages of the season and AVB's era. If a little time and patience helps the team, OUR team, then isn't that a good thing for the club we love? SRV, I'm down south, in Cork. Went to a bar with a supporters club last year. It was a Sunday afternoon, there were people chatting and eating, hardly watching the game, kids running around and screaming (I'd escaped my own screaming little ones for two hours! lol) ... I left at half-time and found another bar to watch the game! That just wasn't for me!
SpursEagle
No Guyver, it was because of the brutal way the players had their feelings hurt that they couldn't stop Wigan scoring, and after that, frankly, didn't feel like trying to get an equaliser for the ungrateful audience. Perhaps we ought to pay the team a bonus when they have their delicate emotions trampled on in such an uncaring way. Shame on you, White Hart Lane, you naughty people.
lordjohnny
ro6ertj No worrieas mate, I just thiought you had missed the injury or didn't see the game.
chrishove123
SpursEagle-Munster TRY every game, otherwise they'd be out on their ****. As for dissent, I don't think Tomas O Leary was exactly hearing praise every minute of his playing career at Thomond in his last few games before heading off to LI. Also the culture of rugby is different. Complete silence when penalties are being taken for instance. And I think remuneration is relevant as in rugby players put everything on the line for a fraction of soccer players wages, and as such, will be treated more sympathetically as a result. I must say, as someone who has always regarded football as favourite, rugby is gradually winning me over (just like Jimmy Greaves apparently).
lordjohnny
LJ, It doesnt really matter how much you try to belittle the psychological impact 30000+ people can have on an individual (players and referees) the fact is it does, whether you like it or not.
Guyver
You're right Guyver. It makes them narcissistic gob*****es, which is why a little booing every now and again does them good, and will possibly make them realise they have to do a little more than just turn up and expect adoration.
lordjohnny
Hey LordJ. You are right about O'Leary, the difference is, he had a few seasons under his belt. The likes of Piennar, Dempsey and Sigs have a few games! And you are right, football and Rugby are different (footy is always my game!), but I was simply trying to illustrate how a crowd can make a difference. Perhaps I should cite the Britannia Stadium? Stoke don't win anything (and please people, don't get outraged about a comparison with Stoke, okay ... this is about supporters, not a comparison of clubs) yet their gaff is one of the hardest places to go and get something. Their fans guarantee them extra points every year. Atmosphere and/or support makes a big difference. To the boo boys, how much of a fan do you rate yourselves when you only cheer and sing when we're winning? Not my call, this is all down to you. Oh, and take a look at the papers and some online articles. Seems the negative support has hit the headlines, so take a bow and well done!!
SpursEagle
Booing does them good? Wheres the evidence for that? Our home record this season? lol
Guyver
lol? el-oh-el?? Fer ****s sake. Save that for your X Factor mates at school.
lordjohnny
SpursEagle It`s not hard to phuck off & support someone else so preaching all the time .You think your $hit don`t stink ?

You stated you went to another bar to watch the game ? well who are you to judge the fans inside the ground .You`re such a great fan all you do is fight the corner of overpaid millionaires who have absolutely no care for you .They don`t need our help or support ,they just need to do their job .The praise & all the singing comes with fine performances ,good football encourages a great atmosphere .How can fans get so excited when the football is that dull .I only go to around 8 games a season now ,i would`ve hated to have handed over my hard earned cash to watch that rubbish .
Shame pay is not performance related ,bet they`d try harder then .
big cockeral
Nah LordJ, id rather use those 3 letters to p*** off the old fogies who just worked out how to use the "interweb" such as yourself... lol
Guyver
Small Cockeral -- I don't have to explain myself to you, but having to move to another country does curtail one's opportunities to get to the Lane every week. As for fighting the corners of overpaid millionaires? Pah, I don't agree with wages players get these days, and I never said I did. However, that is the way it is! I support my team, and if that means sticking up for some of the players, then sure. What's wrong with that? There is absolutely nothing I can do or say to change the wages situation, but I'm not gonna let that turn me into a cynic like a lot of people here. The football is dull right now? Well, I do agree. BUT, new manager, new system, some players out, some players in, massive injury list ... I don't do reactionary, mate. And, I get over for as many games as you, pal, at a far greater cost both in monetary terms and being away from my little ones.
SpursEagle
Worth noting that on a game by game basis ,Spurs have one of the most expensive season ticket prices .,Levy must justify that
big cockeral
Funny how those asking for tolerance for the team are so intolerant of critics. Just like a microcosm of society. Nobody is criticising you for cheering all the time, so don't criticise those who choose to boo.
lordjohnny
Guyver LOL
chrishove123
@SpursEagle & Big C, you guys should consider starting your own forum where you can slag each other off, that way the rest of us wouldn't have to read it. Deleting 1st's, how about deleting your collective vitriolic nonsense. Both of you, please, for the rest of us on here, give it a break.
Cape Town Spurs
Half time Liverpool 0 Newcastle 1...not one Boo heard on my TV? though I stand to be corrected as I'm not a complete moron thank you Lordjohnny . Don't tell me the scousers have a little morer patience then us London boys?
PondersEndSpur
Sorry PondersEndSpur. Of course you're not a COMPLETE moron, but if you keep threatening violence on dissenters you will make that important move from partial to complete.
lordjohnny
Lloris is having a great game, his reactions and decisions are so quick and decisive.
rahn DMC
 

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