Tottenham Hotspur vs. Wigan Athletic.

first!!! Ade's got to play and get some minutes tomorrow! Oh, and Hugo to start :)

Im going for a 2-1 win, same script as usually, but with the forthcoming fixtures we really do need to win this game, and I hope we play Defoe and Ade up top, this is Wigan at home, not Utd away.

Bale to rip them another one 2moro...Ade to come of the bench and seal his starting place for next weeks trip to Maine Road COYMFS!!!

Ade has to get some game time tomorrow as he's the one to hold the line at Citeh next! Otherwise with Defoe we'll be defending like crazy for 90 minutes!

Sorry Ox I'm all for supporting our players but I don't know why you stick up for Livermore, he just doesn't offer anything! People were quick to slate Jenas but at least he scored the odd goal! As soon as Hudd replaced him at half time against Norwich we looked better albeit we lost in the end. Every time I see him in the team I expect a loss as we don't look the same team with him in midfield. Am I being extremely harsh? Maybe, however the proof is in the pudding as they say. When he plays, Spurs don't seem to have the cutting edge and quality in midfield. My opinion of course.... COYS!

I just hope to get 3 points for this game, although I would like to see Falque, Adebayor, Naughton and Lloris some game time.

Wigan are a bit of a loose canon, either play badly or can beat anybody on their day, usually later in the season when they are struggling against relegation. Hopefully we can get all 3 points tomorrow. Definitely would like to see Lloris in goal for this. Ade/Falque to get at least 30 minutes playing in the 2nd half. Taking off Dempsey/Siggy....hope Dembele doesn't need surgery for that hip, missing him in the middle of field. Lloris, Vert, Caulker, Dawson, Gallas/Daws (either Capt), Walker, Bale, Siggy, Sandro, Lennon, Dempsey, Defoe.

gazzalegend, I agree with you that we should really play these sort of home matches with 4-4-2. I just don't see why we opt for a defensive looking team, at home and against the lower ranked teams. Regardless of who is fit, I believe we have good enough players to play that formation and get a more convincing result. AND pleeaase AVB, no more defending a lead malarkey! COYS!

think you meant dembele?!! :0)

@Totalknobhead, Hoping that you doing fine. And that all is in good order for you and your company.

COME ON YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN !!!!

Ox, you may not care if it ends 1-0, but I can't take any more hanging on till the end. It doesn't do my heart any good. Can't we just win one 3-0 with all the goals in the first half hour followed by pretty position football for the last hour

So what is happening with Coulibaly nowadays. He was supposed to be our next great goalscorer? Please don't start on the too young thing as Rooney was playing first team football for Everton at 16. If he wants to give the younger players a start why not play him in the EL to see how he shapes up, then if he is any good he can be eased into the first team. Just a thought as he was being hailed as brilliant when we bought him so much so that he was told that he would definitely be involved in first team football during that season when he arrived. It turns out to be yet another player lied to and conned by HR and or DL.

reckon 1-0, we'll struggle in the middle of the park with no dembele, and despite hudd looking much improved in the last two games, his immobility and lack of fitness will see us struggle. Think we'll grind out a win though, as we have been doing all season, wigan will make it tough for us, no walkeover. Anyway, COYS!

Think we'll play this: Freidel, Walker, Gallas, Caulker, Vertenghen, Sandro, Huddlestone, Lennon, Dempsey, Bale, Defoe. That's AVB's preffered line-up, but I hope at least one of Lloris or Ade or Naughton started, preferably Ade!

I think even better would be Ade as striker with Dempsey in the "hole". I suspect Ade would bring Dempsey to life as he was for Fulham.

Falque has been impressive in the two appearances he's had. Would be interesting to see how he would fare in the PL, maybe give him 15 minutes against Wigan.

just win please...coys

How much longer is AVB playing Brad in goal??? He is just too many mistakes, and not as good as Lloris.. We must start Hugo in all PL games from now on...Brad as No.2 or 3 after Gomes then carlo.. Walker has to pick up his bench time, if Naughton ok, but AVB and coaches should have been working with him this week. We cannot afford to allow any more goals against in last 10 mins. of games from now on.... Ade, to start.. Defoe as sub...Siggy start alongside / ahead of Sandro...Demsey as sub.

As a point of interest.. Martinez has said spurs have very fast wingers, Bale & Lennon, so to stop them wigan have to stop the supply passes, which means they will get in the faces of our MF, / Walker, and Vert. / (BAE) at LB..

I do think it is sad that so many take what I see as cheap shots at Jake Livermore. At the start of the season when partnering Sandro, they were equally as good or bad as each other, but that was more about them being too similar and lacking unit creativity than ability. Since we have brought in Dembele, Sandro looks so much better and happier as the balance is so much better, but I would exect Jake to also look a far better player if together with Dembele or Hudd. Since we have played Dembele, jake has only really been used to close our games, usually when the team is already on the back foot. Add to that a six week absence and I honestly can't understand the justification of such crticism

This will be a tricky match for Spurs. Wigan know how to fight from seemingly hopeless positions and have pulled off 'shock victories' that on reflection were not really shock victories at all. They just took advantage of 'big clubs' underestimating them and one after another taught each one a lesson, helped by Wigan's own skill and determination to win. Spurs have got to score one, two, three times and then still take nothing for granted to be sure of victory.

Agreed, SRV. I jump the long articles and what look like hobby horses from Unhappy Ones, and wish Spurs well. Win? Good. Lose? Then win next time. Above all, enjoy supporting a club that is in with a decent shout of doing well once everything and everyone among the new arrivals and players coming through the ranks, have found their bearings.

Ox, Sandro didn't play well at the atart of the season however does not receive the same criticism as Livermore because every fan knows what Sandro is capable of and that on his day is twice the midfield force and player of Livermore! You can't compare the two, I have never seen Livermore play an outstanding game and I don't want to hear that he's young! So is Wilshire, Oscar etc.... What but these are special talents? So isn't special good enough for Spurs? I don't want mediocre players like Livermore in the team because he has had his chances against top teams and lower league teams and he DOES NOT cut it against either!!! It is a simple fact! Sorry to be harsh on the lad but I saw Jenas get a roasting on here and Livermore is worse! My opinion... if he proves me wrong fair play! COYS!

And in that 6 week absence where Jake wasn't playing... we started to win games and climb the table! That's all I have to say now on Livermore, I'll get behind all of them today!

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE- AVB is calling for more goalscorers in an article i have just been reading, but has no plans just yet to use defoe and ade as one, well that's what i said after the norwich game ''WHO SCORES THE GOALS'' a quote fro said article also reads ''Someone who wants to add to his goalscoring record is Tom Huddlestone, who revealed that he has not had a hair cut for a year and will not do until he ends his goalscoring drought - which has now lasted for 18 months'' well Tom you could end up looking like the Count of Monte Christo, by the time you finally hit the net. We do lack goals from midfield, so my team today is TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR FC just go and WIN, please.

Hot_Spur I am not simply making assumptions and accusations mate. The reason i said that is because it is true. When he signed for us he was told that he would be involved in the first team and be playing for them during that season. THAT is the main reason he joined us, because of promises made to him by HR and or DL. It was even publicly announced by HR that was the reason he joined us so I am just repeating what was said at the time not making spurious assumptions. Please try and do a bit of research on the subject if you are going to TRY and shoot someone down because you can make yourself look like a bit of a fool if you don't mate. Also if you notice i asked what was going on because i had no idea about how he was getting on so no need to jump down my throat about it. There have been a fair few players able to step in at 16 and I'm not only citing the Prem. I mean in European and South American football in general.

chrishove - Well since you mention research, perhaps you should have done some research on Coulibaly, then you would have discovered his lack of form, therefore rendering your post asking about him, superfluous. I cannot believe that any 16 year old (as he was when signed) would be promised first team football that same season and if that is what was reported in the media - well, nuff said. As for 16 year olds in general, as I said, very rare exceptions. You could probably find, if you looked deep enough 15 or 20 that have made it in the last few years but how many thousand 16 year old hopefuls are there in Europe and South America? Those that do make it at that age are a very tiny percentage.

chrishove - My argument doesn't hold water?? As a percentage the number of 16 year olds that make the top level is very tiny indeed - FACT. How can my argument not hold water? You talk bollox.

thfc1882, can't see the Defoe/Ade partnership working unless we go for a 442, I would stick with Dempsey behind Ade with Defoe coming on second half for either of the two strikers depending on Ade's fitness. Quite happy with the rest of your team. COYS

SpuriousLife - Interesting observation Spurs to Arsenal and vice versa in the transfer market, the one that sticks in everyones throat is Sol, but the first i my time was Jimmy Robertson right winger who scored in the 67 cup final vs chelsea, moving across Nrth London and David Jenkins coming to us, who was total rubbish, makes Gio Dross Santos look world class, how's he doing i see his had two games for mallorca, Willie Young centre half another Arse to spurs, Pat Jennings never wanted to leave us, but circumstances being what they are in football signed for Arse. Watching the manure arse game it's interesting to see Arteta playing the Song holding role, but every time arse look to build from the back Rooney or RVP are right next to him, good ploy and fergie has done his homework take note AVB, his the link to most arse attacks, does that sound a bit gay?... not if your female :-)

And our subs today: Lloris, Dawson, Naughton, Carroll, Falque, Sigurdsson and Adebayor.

AVB is not doing himself great favour by still benching Lloris for Friedel at this stage, Lloris does not need a year to adapt, I can see Lloris asking for transfer request if he don't play by the new year. It's like buying Messi, benching him for Defoe because Messi needs to "adapt" to BPL when world class players don't need to "adapt".

Anything but a 9-1 win would be beyond disappointing!

Thanks for the links what sux. I feel the points coming home today.

Raging how about 9-0?

I don't like the fact that Friedel starts again. and why is ade on the bench? I hope he plays at least 30 minutes today.

The Wigan team today is: Al Habsi, Boyce, Caldwell, Ramis, Figueroa, Beausejour, Watson, McCarthy, Maloney, Kone and Di Santo

And their subs: Pollitt, Lopez, Stam, Gomez, Jones, McManaman and Boselli

Why start Dempsey ahead of Ade? Does AVB know what he's doing?

I'm sure AVB has his reasons for his lineups. Let's see how it turns out in the long run

Adebayor may not have trained this week due to stomach illness, but Friedel? REALLY??? Surely this can't go on much longer...

Let's see our dear Friedel can get a clean sheet for how many tries this season.

Agree about Lloris. There is no benefit to playing Friedel at home in a game that we should dominate and win. These are the games he should be assimilating to the English game on. It would be different if Friedel was in form and justified his shirt.

Forgot to add... Dempsey is not a starter for me!!!

AVB was asked

"How are you going to guarantee more goals at White hart Lane ? "

AVB replied ," I just put Friedel in goal "

Oh no! We're fudged now. Sandro was controlling the game! Injury crisis at Spurs!

Oh dear God.... Sandro. NO! NO!! NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least it's Siggy and not Livermore.

Should bring on Ade for Dempsey. Go all guns blazing. Without sandro we're fudged; no defensive options in midfield Hudd cannot defend for Toffee!

We look absolutely flat. Gallas must have hit 20 passes to Friedel already. Crowd jeering already. AVB needs to change things as this is pathetic

Just decent save, Lloris would stopped and saved it.

Yawn, is there a game going on? Our formation is just not working. Wigan made it look so easy to create a very good goal scoring opportunity.

woodyn17, There's not much that we can do with the squad available.

Remember the 1-0 with Rodallega...

the one on the bench would be a start phil!

back to reality for those who thought we were going to trash wigan...

Wigan would have scored if they don't persist on shooting straight at Friedel

What about that one Big C? I don't want Friedal in goal as much as the next man but he's made two fine saves and if you can't even acknowledge them well it's just ridiculous.

why is every shot straight at friedel a great/brilliant save? ridiculous

Friedel is playing really well - Wigan deserve to be leading.

TopSpur13 - It's just 2 normal saves, anywhere apart shooting straight at Friedel would have be a goal.

Walker needs dropping he keeps losing ball through his passing, getting caught out and playing opposition onside

Our biggest threat is from both of our defenders Caulker and Vertonghen through set piece lol

What sux - you may moan, but brad is our star player so far. Missing dembele / modric type player at home and crowd are getting on my nerves here - as negative as vital. We are not five goals up, let's all boo. Credit to friedel.

Terrible performance truly terrible.

We need to get Adebayor on the pitch - NOW.

Perhaps Lloris will see more time at the start of the new year? I could see this being Fridel's last season, though he does play well still

Btw - I would prefer lloris starting, but can appreciate a good performance from brad when I see it (so far of course). A poor half, but if we can get in equal and then get ade on ( probably not fit enough yet for ninety mins) and avb works his magic, three points hopefully.

I hope AVB has a temper. Quite honestly, the Spurs players deserve everything he throws at them at half time.

We are fudged in terms of injuries. I don't really think that we can expect a good peformance with this team. Hudd is so poor as is Sigurdsson. Our midfield is wide open.

things just aren't clicking for spurs

Booed off and rightly so!! Siggy, Dempsey, Walker, DEfoe, Bale, Lennon all not good enough!!! The worst, most flat and uninspiring performance i have seen in many a year!!!

Hopefully AVB get his hairdryer ready for team talk, team play poorly, we would have 1 or 2 down if Wigan finishes better.

No Sandro Vs man city, arsenal and liverpool means no points!!!!

Bring on Carroll and Ade!!!

I am a fan of AVB but I'm beginning to worry about how he sets us up to play. Whether home or away he seems to be very cautious (almost negative) in his approach. We lack fluidity, drive, ambition, attack and panache with the ball and seem to struggle to organise ourselves properly without it. I really hope that these are just teething problems as the players are having to learn a new and more tactical approach to the game. Unfortunately we Spurs fans are not blessed with an abundance of patience and displays (especially at home) as dismal as this one are not going to be tolerated for long.

Good thing when making those "easy saves" Friedel didnt fumble, play around then let the ball ricochet off his right leg into the path of an oncoming striker like Lloris did for against Norwich reserves midweek.

Not great first half but we'll be better in the second, disgusted with our "supporters" booing the playing staff.I trust AVB to solve the problems in the second half, Dempsey off for Adebayor imo. Let's all hope that Sandro isn't seriously injured. COYS

AVB with the hairdryer treatment is hard to imagine.

Bale will be off soon unless we can do something about our strike force.He is becoming really frustrated and has to try and do it all by himself.No one else looks likely to score!!!!

If we live up to our track record, expect a good 2nd half!!..We are not designed to play well for 90 mins. COYS!

Wentworth, no one looks interested.

Someone on our coaching staff needs to find the key to opening up this defence of wigan, if his not changing and bringing Ade on, keep a solid back four and that means walker stays in line, push Bale and Lennon inside just a little and push Siggy and Hudd slightly further up field and Dempsey supporting Defoe, knock the ball into defoe, most likely they will win every header, but we then attack the second ball, because so far nothing has worked. When your facing a crowded penalty area fire the ball low and hit the target from around the edge of the box, pass pass slow slow, get phucking with it SPURS.

well, that's the bad half out of the way.

Ade on for Dempsey. He's on a yellow and looks angry with Caldwell...can see him getting a second yellow

As usual no clean sheet for Friedel

Rodallega all over again

i think avb is a confused manager

Absolute fecking awful!!!

he should have tipped that behind, but it was coming

I hope that Friedel is dropped so he can no longer be used as an escapegoat.

agreed guyver... he should have tipped it but he is a muppet & he is sadly our muppet

AVB is quickly losing my backing!!

I know Defoe played poor but Dempsey was terrible too and Defoe can whack a goal out of nowhere. JOKE!

with you there woody

Come on someone!!!! anyone!!!

What is the point of Sigurdsson being in the side?

I always expected at least a goal conceded when Friedel starts

What an Absolutley ridiculous substitution

what_sux - which would not be a problem if we could score 2 against the footbal power house of Wigan Athletic (no disrepect Wigan) at home!

i think AVBs right to take Defoe off - he cannot handle playing against physical defenders. And if only he drops Friedel!

That Man U result has really hidden what has been a really unconvinicing start to the season.

Just goes to show that we have no depth in quality. Especially how much we miss modders and Kaboul!!!

Lennon OFF ,,,Falque ON

Can players be fined for poor performances? That would motivate them to play well I bet.

8 points from 5 home games -- draw with wba / draw with norwich / about to loose to wigan AT FECKING HOME. if this is what we hired in avb we need to ship him back to porto and pronto. his tactics appear to be shocking. i know we have injuries but that is no more than an excuse

MrSpurs - I expect, its just that if a keeper don't concede, the attackers will be under LESS pressure to score, its hard to score when the players are so pressured now, when they are passionless in the first half.

Cape Town Spurs, I disagree. I think the injuries have crippled the side, and taken things out of AVB's hands.

No fight. No creativity. No desire. Most worrying of all however no leadership and direction. AVB needs to show he can have a positive impact on a struggling squad of players.

and avb seems to think the best goalie shouldn't play and the best striker should sit on the bench keeping the goalie company. we are in trouble

How many fouls is Figueroa allowed to get away with in one game?

Cape Town Spurs - True we need a striker, surprised AVB say we don't need anymore striker after siigning Adebayor last window.

fanman, we threw away the game against wba & norwich not because of injuries but because of bad tactics and poor decisions by avb when we were up

My biggest issue with AVB is his substitutions are constantly baffling.Game after game after game ,he does the most clueless subs

young carroll has instanly made us better. he has to start. we cant get any worse

Absolute disgrace!!!!! No class!!! AVB OUT!!! (just kidding)

No excuses either. We were just Sh*t.

And notice the ref did not allow the passage of play to continue whn blowing for the close, whereas he could easily have waited a few more seconds ..... it's going to be a long season

Pathetic week for the players lossess to Norwich and Wigan. The players are passionless.

Delightful.

friedel out now please

horrible game. we completely lacked (and have for the last few matches) creativity and movement in mid and final third.

The worrying thing is Le Scum are going to tear us a new one next week. AVB needs to take the reserve for the reserves in midweek as we have 1 recognised first team CM now. WE NEED TO STOP PLAYING % IN THE MIDFILED!! We were playing wigan a thome and we played with 1 striker? (unts the lot of them!!!

Fanman "Wigan took control of the midfield" its ******** Wigan mate not Real Madrid - Tottenham Hotspur should have enough quality to beat Wigan at home without the need for a defensive midfielder!!

We have been playing bad at home in particular for a while now and been lucky to pick up points. I don't like AVB tactics as he seems incapable of using a 442 formation which is what we need. The style he plays at home does not suit us which is similar to when he was at Chelsea

What are we supposed to do without 4 key players! Losing Wigan is poor but we can only blame our own bad luck for injury ... or failing to buy over the summer

We've been poor the entire game. Deserved it in the end. I don't know what is going on in the dressing room. Has to be the worst game this season. On another note, booing the substitution of Defoe for Ade is not going to help. I know people were booing AVB's decision but knowing Ade's mentality, it will work against us.

This is what happens when u sell your 2 most creative Midfielders and replace them with siggy and dempsey who are at best mid table premier league players. Can't wait for Dembele to come back. The whole team were woeful.

Every game is the same. We have no ideas, no passion, no desire to win games, no tactical nous, unless Bale comes up with miracles no creativity. Fortunately although Wigan have a real manager they lack quality players and so we did not lose three or four nil as we would have deserved.

Lost all hope. we wont finish top half of the table with avb as our manager, idc if we got all of those players injured whys dempesy, gallas and friedel playing? none of them would even get into the qpr team! Not looking forward to man city nex week with no sandro no...*sigh* going to be a very long season :(

On today's performance Wigan should be 4th and us at 15th.

AVB will bear the consequence after not playing Lloris and Adebayor (for Dempsey) and Naughton (for Gallas and shift Vertonghen to center back). The players look disinterested and passionless.

I seriously thought it was going to be Dempsey not defroe for Ade. Even the commentators were saying they thought Ade should have been playing alongside Defoe. Also Why on earth did BF flap at the ball instead of catching the ball like Al Habsi, punch it out or turn it over the top for a corner? I'm not blaming him for this loss as he made a couple of class saves today and most of the time Spurs looked disinterested. It's as if the players have said, right we beat Man u so we've proven we can do it so we don't need to bother any more. Also we have almost half our team out injured which for us seems to be the norm over the last I don't know how many seasons now. The reason we are losing is I feel mainly down to our lack of depth in the squad. We lose a couple of players and that's it, we have no back up.

oh and martinez for our next manager please

We are just not good enough we haven't enough quality players we lost two in the summer and we replaced them with inferior players.

Plus Caulker is doing well, Carroll improved the side when he came on but needs to sharpen is passing as he did a couple of misplaced passes but he is better than Hudd imo.

Dempsey is not working neither is Siggy so we need to revert back to a 4 4 2 with Ade and Defoe until we get that creative player that can play behind the main striker.

It's getting worse and it was OBVIOUS we would run out of luck we have been average and poor all season. There is little AVB can do with the players he has and unless we invest we will not make top 4 or win anything. HR imo had a better squad although Vertonghen is class and great addition. Bale is nowhere near as good as he was but will always be dangerous. It is going to be a difficult run until end of January window and if we don't bring in quality it will be even more of a difficult run to end of the season.

Sorry to say I have also lost faith in AVB. Where is the High line, High Tempo passing game?

We are average at best. Losing to Wigan is a disgrace. The team is a disgrace.

Needing a goal we sub out one striker for another, one who has barely played this season.

Dempsey looks out of his depth, he was so poor on Wednesday. The team look clueless. Why take off Sandro?

AVB has no idea how to substitute to win games, he just tries to shut up shop at 1-0 .

Again Bale is running around on the right, get back to the left and attack.

Again sorry for the rant but I really do not think AVB is the man anymore. I am pleased HR left but we are getting sorted out by every team we meet.

So far this season we have played mainly teams from the bottom half, now we get the teams vying for the top four.

Things are looking very bleak. COYS

Shall we make a DVD, well yes and put it in the BOX marked ''the worst perfomances in my time and a spurs supporter'' that was a complete and utter shambles, when i put down we might as well play Jenas (bring him back) in place of Siggy times are phucking hard, that guy is fast becoming a very poor buy. How the hell can you win games with a team like that, yes wigan set up to get a result and they just did, but we had no set pattern of play just hope it comes off, to many second rate players in midfield, not one can score a goal, not one can even create a goal, Lennon is poor at scoring, 2 goals this year, un-less goals come from Defoe or Bale we are bollock$, sign a striker and quality midfield player, yes missing Dembele, missing Parker's drive, but without them we are poor, Gallas can hardly move his hamstring is hurting and that has to be the last time friedel starts a prem game, why did he not push it over the bar? Joe Hart would have. phuck it, worst i have seen in years.

SpuriousLife, your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree.

By the way as someone mentioned above, why did Friedel not turn the ball over the ball. Shocking error.

no creativity in the middle, EVERYTHING seems to go thru the wide players , so predictable, and theres nobody willing to add subtlety to the play by slowing it down taking their time abit, as the crowd instantly start ranting... Siggy + Dempsey on pitch simultaneusly = no win...... simples.

Fully watched us scrape a win against Southampton and now scarcely watched two losses against completely inferior opposition. From what I've seen all season neither Dempsey nor Siggy are good enough so do not know why we do not go 4-4-2 with Ade and Defoe especially at home! Lets get Ade on the pitch and match fit and use both of them because the other two simply do not appear good enough. The injuries are annoying no doubt but with aspirations for a top 4 place we should have a squad good enough to compete and beat the likes of Norwich and Wigan!

The team play the way AVB wants. No high speed attacking game but sit back and wait for the opposition to make a mistake. It is the same in every game. A proper manager will know that Wigan have not got one point this season when they have been behind in a game so would have his team coming out of the blocks.

Fanman you have clearly not been watching all season

it aint the speed of the game its the lack of creativity and variation in the play.... its always get it wide to Bale (sometimes Lennon) and let them do the rest..WE DO NOT PLAY BIG FORWARD TO AIM CROSSES AT... unless Ade is there (and mostly he's not).... lazy tactics, lousy tactics

I cant wait for this week's excuses, we managed to lose at home to bloody Wigan, that's 10 points dropped in 6 home games. Get your bloody parachutes ready, we are about to move into the real world, and plunge down the league. We have now played all of the bottom six, now the season proper will start, and Christ knows what will happen against the better teams. We currently have 4 points from 12 against teams from outside the bottom six aganst Newcastle, WBA, Man U and Chelsea. What the boody hell is wrong with our Windows 8 manager, surely to Christ when you are losing 1-0 at home, and not scoring for he first home game in 30, you don't swap your strikers, you double them up. Perhaps if he had played the bloody game on the pitch, instead of on a data base, in a bloody computor, or on a clip board, he would understand, he ain't got a gamble, or an inspired sustitution in him. What was he trying to protect, our GD, by keeping it at 0-1, bloody disgrace.

WILL WE EVER GET IT RIGHT ON A MANAGERIAL LEVEL AND SQUAD LEVEL? GOOD NIGHT ALL

Also Lloris messed up for me against Norwich for one of the goals and today Friedel has not covered himself in any glory either (although how we can leave players completely un-marked in the 6 yard area during a corner is beyond me)! Now we are out of the League Cup, its time to pick one of them and go with it fully - no messing about. Personally I would go with Lloris but we need continuity in there one way or the other.

And please having a go at Friedel is dumb he at least did something in the game...he had to as we are getting worse and worse. Our performances have been deteriorating for many weeks. Sure we are missing players through injury but there was enough out there

Don't lame the fans. They were right we needed to be more attacking but changing one player for another is making no change just going through the motions

Correct me if i am wrong, but didn't Dempsey score a shed load of goals last season and is he not a better team player. Is he not a striker? I am not saying he is a world beater, but is Defoe any better? I fail to see where there was bad subs. What options did we have?

Oxfordshire will be a very lonely man because the post count in the coming weeks is going to drop big time .The football is so poor it`s hard to keep interested .The fans are deservedly booing & since the turn of 2012 ,there has been nothing but a very poor standard of football played by Spurs apart from the odd brilliant display .

A big worry for me today was the body language of Gareth bale ,to his credit he really tried today ,but i get the feeling he may want out if this carries on .And Lloris probably wonders why he made such a foolish move .In front of him is one of the worst goalkeepers in the EPL ,so what does that say about Lloris ?
Very hard to back AVB with the constant schoolboy errors he is making .Subs are rarely right & his first 11 has major question marks .Master tactician ? me arse

Can someone please explain why a lengthy piece of prose about what might happen in a game produces the same results as the last lengthy piece of prose. Crap. Does anyone thing paying to see this Spurs team worth it? A loss against Norwich and now Wigan basically puts us where we should be - rock bottom with no ideas.

Do not agree with blaming AVB to be honest look at some of the players brought in such as Siggy and Demps - so far not good enough and I doubt these are his buys but this is what he has to work with. Also at the back practically denied his whole starting back 4 with the exception of Walker (who admittedly and unfortunately has gone walkabout in form) but Verts forced to play LB and Kaboul and Benny long term injuries. Now Dembele also in midfield and Parker missing all season (although would struggle to get past Sandro to be fair). Tough task for AVB IMO given we now have higher expectations after two recent top 4 finishes but with a depleted and perhaps less able squad than Harry had!

Martinez In AVB Out! If martinez can get results in the bpl with the squad he has, imagine him with our squad. If a manager like AVB was managing wigan they would be struggle in the championship playing 4-4-2 and getting smashed and dominated in the midfield by every team

Our squad is so thin compared to this time last year. On our bench was Pav, Pienaar, Niko, Corluka, Daws, etc. Now we have players that Harry thought weren't good enough - Townsend, Naughton and even Livermore and Falque came close to leaving. Now theyre the starting 18??? Hmm u think we've really screwed up in the last 12 months...

On point, asherthesmasher, ive criticised AVB's time at Chelsea in the past, but I have to agree that it isnt entirely his fault for the way we've performed this season. With the players we have, its very difficult to play the attractive football we've been so use to. We don't have technical players like Modric, VDV and Kranc. Im sure AVB would like us to play like Porto, but he's having to adapt to what is available. We've had decent results this year, but performances have never been spectacular. Plus the opportunistic, budget signings (Siggy, Demp) are playing crap, which when combined with injuries to key players, makes the squad far weaker than its been in a long time. Having said that, imo, AVB has also made things more difficult for himself with some of his tactical decisions.

ParkersHair Why don`t you go there & make some noise then ?
You`re talking about fans who pay around £50 for a ticket ,who the phuck would pay around £50 for that & not moan ?

The players are there to please the fans ,not the fans there to suck up to the players .How much do they earn compared to the average fan ?
IMO they should be showing the fans a little more respect .Walker i`d stay off twitter if i was you , again poor performance .

Why take Defoe off when you needs to score????

When AVB is allowed to buy the players of his choosing we will be able to judge his system properly. Until then he should play a system that suits the players at his didposal, unfortunately he's not doing that. Our team is a square peg and AVB's system is a round hole, I guess that's what happens when you have a chairman who .......... Oh, really can't be bothered anymore. We all know that Teflon Levy will once again escape any blame for the problems he's created within our squad. COYS FOENIC

asher, i say it was bad substitutions because I feel the Defoe/Ade know eachothers game well, whereas Dempsey/Ade have not had so much game time. I would like the idea of Dempsey/Ade, but only if we were 3-0 up. I would like to have seen Falque come on in place of Lennon in the last 20 minutes, instead of Carroll coming on.

AVB can only choose his keeper from what he sees during training and from feedback supplied by Parks. Hmmm, Parks, the only goalkeeping coach in the country who manages to make decent keepers worse? If ever there was anyone living off a penalty, it's him!

Lots of posters are missing the big picture. Football is a team game. Individual brilliance is important but without it being based within a solid team it will achieve very little. The big worry for me is that we have no team spirit, togetherness or pride being displayed at the moment. The players are responsible but AVB needs to man-up and deal with the lack of fight and enthusiasm the players show for the shirt on the pitch. That is his job. If he loses the ability to control and command respect from the players we are in the ****e up to our ears. He has no more time to waste. He has to grow a pair and stamp his authority on this squad of under-achievers or he and the club will fail.

We were in total control of the game until Sandro went off. And then we completely lost the midfield. Just goes to show that THudd is no good enough for this level. I dread to think how he is going struggle against Arsenal. With Dembele and Sandro in there, that game is a win all day. We had absolutely nothing going through middle.

We were in total control of the game until Sandro went off. And then we completely lost the midfield. Just goes to show that THudd is no good enough for this level. I dread to think how he is going struggle against Arsenal. With Dembele and Sandro in there, that game is a win all day. We had absolutely nothing going through middle.

Easy there, Fanman

spurious, we are missing our players with fight and enthusiam, Sandro, Parker, Kaboul, Dembele and for BAE (i think he would have been on the line to stop that one) Wigan had 3 men on the line to stop Caulkers header, we had no one on the line helping Friedel

Fanman Wow posted four times, you really wanted to put your point over very dramatically didn't you. LOL

Frank. LOL

Frank HA HA beauty

I can never work how Lennon & Defoe escape criticism .
For me they both go very long periods of the game without being seen .

Bale is an attacking player but he always gets involved ,comes to get the ball & his frustration is for all to see .IMO Lennon & Defoe are a little too happy to go missing in games .
Lennon V Walcott ,Walcott wins by a mile

El Jefe, I was disappointed when we signed Siggy, as I felt minus his goals, he didnt offer much. If you only watched highlights of him, you'd think he was a top player, but watching a full 90mins of him in a Swansea shirt, you'd see he played very similar to how he is paying for us now, with the only difference being goals scored. Demps has never been great, thats why at 29 he was still playing for Fulham, he's a decent player but not on VDV's level and not a great striker either, so not a good trade imo, especially as he is apparently on £90k per week! 29 years old, £90k per week, you have to hit the ground running.

Guyver ..... Good post full of common sense .Just need to cover the farce that is Friedel & Lloris ,because i don`t see an ounce of logic in that one

Anyone need pics to brighten your days? :)

The ideal scenario for me for me would be Moutinho and Willian. 4-3-3. Sandro, Moutinho, Dembele, Bale, Ade, Willian.

Lloris might not have made the same mistake today, but Wigan would have bombarded our goal until he either faced an unstoppable shot, or an error was forced.

A picture of Sir Alan Sugar telling Daniel Levy 'you're fired'

I thought BF played well today apart from the one flap he did which led to the goal, so if our outfield had played they way they should have then it would have made no difference but because the outfield was abysmal BF takes the stick for us losing today. I'm not his greatest fan but at least he saved us a few times today AND he came off his line to get the ball as well as making two very good saves.

AVB says (and to his credit )

"I think they were the better team today," noted Villas Boas.
"They were extremely well organised and I think credit to them for the difficulties they created for us.

"For sure it was our worst performance of the season. I think we have the right to have a bad day in the office and I think today was an example of that.

"Credit to the opponent, we had difficulties because we were always under pressure. They managed to organise themselves very, very well and were aggressive in recovery of the ball.

"We went through the first half where we did not have any chances at the goal and they had two good chances to go ahead before us.

"They were superior during the 90 minutes and we make a reflection on the mistakes we did as it is very important if you want to move on in the future."

At least he was honest ,made no excuses & will now (hopefully )pick the best & right players for the job .Today was unacceptable

Friedel played very well today. It could have been 0-3. He has already mentioned though that he may intend to retire at the end of this season. If we have truly p)ssed off Lloris he may go aswell. I am not saying at the moment Lloris is better than Brad, just if someone of that class is not being used week in and week out, something's gotta give!

Bloody furioius. There's NO excuses for a loss against Wigan, NONE AT ALL. 4-4-2 SHOULD be a formation @ Home vs "weaker" opposition. AVB has 2 address this PATHETIC slump in so called form. Fix up & kick the lads firmly in the arse. I rate & believe in AVB & want him 2 remain @ WHL for a long time, however HE must sort this situation. We've looked a shadow of the past 2 seasons.

mountainyid If he does retire at the end of the season i can see no reason as to why we shouldn't get rid of Parkes and have him as goalkeeping coach. He may have a few faults but so does every 'keeper and I feel he can't be any worse than parkes

Wigan will beat other teams this season, not least because no other club is entitled to expect that the points should go to the bigheads.

Hats off to Wigan for their performance today, they played with great zeal, they were obviously out to make amends for the loss midweek, shame we could not rise to the occasion, no pace, no composure, we were pretty clueless, midfield was nowhere to be seen, passing was atrocious, did Defoe have a shot at goal today? big miss losing Sandro. Levy needs to spend some money this January on strikers and a midfield maestro to replace modric,as he has done phuck all over the last 2 January windows. Best attackers today were Verts & Caulker, which says it all.

Sadly it is becoming obvious that AVB just hasn't got a "Spurs manager" mentality. We have for 50 years at least to my knowledge (with the exception of when the man in the white raincoat was manager, I still can't speak his name), been a team playing football trying to win games, not directly we go ahead trying to shut up shop, or not going all out to equalise if we get behind. He has a typical defensive Latin mentality, so either we have to change, or he has, if the relationship is to work. I can't see him having a personality transplant, so either we settle for football lacking the attacking excitement we have been brought up to expect, and streaky results, or he will have to go, if our standards of performance and level of achievement drop away. Unfortunately our chairman never learns from his mistakes, we have of course been here before with Mr. One day Ramos.

Lack of investment from Levy (as instructed by ENIC) shocking hiring and firing of managers by Levy, an incredibly haphazard transfer policy, that would be Levy again and this is te inevitable result. He only spent money when tere was a danger of us falling out of the premier league but he refused to sincerest when we wee in the Champions League. I think tat ells a story. We are now left with a manager who, lets be honest has not got a clue. He seems to have completely abandoned his football philosophy. He has no idea what to do against a good defence and he panics when we take the lead. I hate to say it but we have gone from Champions League contenders back to our familiar position of a mid table premier league team. What is the point of a new stadium and mid table football. Congratulations Daniel Levy. You should be fired but for the fact you are doing exactly what ENIC demand.

As much as I have grave doubts about AVB, and how he reacts to pressure, Teflon Levy must not escape his share of the blame. In fact it is ironic that on every occasion that circumstance demand transfer investment, he retreats and locks his wallet. Firstly when we qualified for the CL and got to the last 8, there was no player investment forthcoming to consolidate for continued qualification. Then there was last January, we were lying 3rd in the PL threatening to again qualify fr the CL, there was no investment to cement it. Then having sacked HR, and selling our 3 most creative players in Modric, VDV, and Kranqcar, no meaningful investment in like for like replacements, to give new manager AVB the tools required to move forward. It almost seems as though he and Lewis would rather stay just off the pace against rivals, not actually qualifying for the CL, or winning trophies, to keep running costs down. Having said that, I am afraid that AVB is unfortunately the wrong choice as our manager.

Anyone wanting to e mail (or emaul) Mr. Levy here is an email address i have for him. I was told it is a personal one, but I am not sure about that. What I do know is that I HAVE had an answer from either him or his representative when using this address. so if anyone wants to get in touch with him here is your chance, daniel.levy@spurs.co.uk

MIDFIELD - Hmmmm last season opening two games we had MODRIC & KRANJCAR playing together, now we all know modric is a class player, but when your next to a donkey with no pace, life is going to be hard, how long does it take hudd to run 100mtrs? I would be interested to know the answer, because we have the same problem, that showed up today, wigan played out at 3-5-2, the 5 each of the wide players shut out Lennon and Bale, knowing our attacks come from these positions, we never had the knowledge to out think them, taking off Defoe, one of the only players we have who can score goals, was criminal, he should have stayed on, we could have then also gone 3-5-2 like for like. The changes made no difference, no impact, no pattern in play changed, we just had know idea, what to do, is that AVB or players with little ability? we have some class players, but today showed we have some average players, we lack game changing players, to many injuries are allowing 2nd rate players the chance, but who is taking that chance, the only guy who stands out is Caulker in that bracket mentioned, Vertonghen is class, Lennon is a one trick pony and his record games to goals is poor, so his not someone you can hope will get us a goal in hard times, we have no goal scoring midfield players, we need them badly, but will it change in january, i don't see it, we know who we would like to come, but 2yrs we have chased him Leandro. Eriksen would be a class act, but one of the big clubs will snap him up, you don't buy second class tickets, when you want to travel first class.

I don't think this is pessimism but much of our performances resemble the ones of chelsea under avb. I hope it gets better when all our players are back but so far there are plenty of signs of trouble for us and we can't keep bringing up excuses for our performances, not when you lose at home to wigan. many say the problem is we need a striker but seriously if defensive we would have been solid our results would have been much better.

I can't keep hoping that avb will turn out to be the man we need when he keeps starting friedel in the premiership. something is fundamentally wrong in this guy's head and he will be the only one to blame if we keep having poor results. I would have taken a loss at old trafford and some wins against the bottom teams instead of the other way around.

logos8 it will improve when they all get fit, i hope all remain fit, but the damage it causes waiting is the problem, i have never in over 52 yrs seen us play that bad and not even having any answers to the problems, that's what amazed me. AVB has the right idea, he knows what he wants, is it just a bad day at the office?

henry baker brown i bet you feel like a complete tit after your gobbing off on our site earlier on, when will you ever learn not to gob of before youve even kicked of !!!!! remember last season and try and learn from it

logos8 As I have already said i am no great fan of BF BUT to be honest Lloris has actually done nothing to impress me much to warrant him stepping into Friedel's boots. he looked shaky against Norwich and no matter what anyone says the goal was his fault. Friedel would have been hammered for that mistake but Lloris wasn't. On todays showing i thought Friedel had a very good game apart from one mistake. Lloris made one mistake against Norwich which cost us the game so if he is only as good as Friedel and not better why put in like for like. I have a nasty feeling that Lloris will not make it as a Prem keeper becauase he will not be able to handle the physical side of our game. Sorry he may be in the top 5 'keepers of the world but he is no Pat Jennings Petr Cech or Peter Schmeichel in his physique. AVB must have his reasons not to play lloris and that as the manager is his choice. The whys and wherefores are his and his alone ultimately and he must see something in training to keep friedel in and lloris out after all he is a very hands on manager when it comes to training.

lordjohnny Levy just needs his fluffy white cat and he is set.

To say AVB looks out of his depth is an understatement

ItalianYido, AVB has had his false dawn, his one day of glory at OT, just as Ramos had in the CC final v Chelsea, but he appears unable to react to pressure, and doesn't close games out when we are in front, but is content to try and defend narrow leads, by subbing attacking players, and bringing on defensive alternatives, which has already cost us results this season,and will continue to do so.

what has happened to Dempsey? he looks like he's on valium nowaday's, so slooow when on the ball... I hope we drop him next game, go 4-4-2 with Huddlestone, Sandro center and Ade & Defoe together upfront 'cause this isn't working without Dembele. Sigurdsson is not good enough - poor first touch, poor passer, bad shot and his finishing doesn't seem to be working either.

Oh yes & add Clint Dempsey ,another numpty

Players and managers should all be paid based on performance. It really is as simple as that. These idiots think they're superstars when the truth is they're really only idiots with ideas well above their station. Pathetic is all I can say. We were tired, I hurt my knee, they called me rude names. Yeah, whatever, for 50K a week do your job and do it well or phuck off and never return.

ItalianYiddo That is my point exactly, he can do it for France but he looks nervous and shaky to me when he plays for us. If he can't handle the pressure he shouldn't play. I have a bad feeling about him playing in the Prem and wouldn't be surprised if he asks for a transfer because he realises he can't take the physical side of our games week in week out, but cites lack of game time as his excuse.

chrishove123 do you think friedel played better than lloris in his first 5 games in the EPL? lloris has the potential but he needs game time if he is to become a top epl goalkeeper.

Milito just given Inter the lead against Juve away. Apparently we once made a bid for him, and Llorente and Falcao and Hazzard and Suarez and Kaka and Obama and Bolt.....

ItalianYiddo don't worry. we will make some bids in January too in the last 5 minutes of the transfer window. messi, ronaldo take your pick. it will look good in the papers for the fans.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/121103/villas-boas-wigan-taught-us-lesson-184532

@Italian yiddo........and pele and eusebio and george weahs' cousin who played 3 mins at Southampton and malcolm tucker.

groundhog day.

g. roberts testes, we can either laugh or cry, so let's laugh ...and Finney and Matthews and the Dalai Lama and the Pope....

Frank I know we don't exactly see eye to eye on some things but as i have said I think that may well be part of the problem. Look at his build and look at David De Ghea, he was supposed to be the next top prem 'keeper for Man U but his physique has let him down big time as he can't deal with the physicality of the game. I feel that is Lloris's problem too and we may well be saying bye bye to him very soon. The thing is I really hope not because he has the p[otential to be world class for us.

Maybe the problem is something as simple as has already been suggested, that his command of English isn't as good as it should be so he can't communicate with the outfield players the way he needs to as a 'keeper.

Italian yiddo...too very true......and blanchflower and Nobby styles and derren brown and guru nanak and chief sitting bull and joey essex and Eddie the eagle and lofty from eastenders,(sorry he's a scum fan,lets tar and feather him instead)....it actually works.i literally laughed out loud when reading your message and typing this one.i have to stop now as i didn't see the match and have to catch the highlights (?) on MOTD....i can feel a slight depression looming!

Man City, Arsenal, West Ham, Liverpool, Fulham, Everton, those are our next 6 PL opponents, let's see where we are after that lot, I fear that we will ge a reality shock. The gravy train of the bottom 6 is over, now we have to play the proper teams.

Chrisovel23, don't forget the new Sainsbury's, it ain't every PL club that has one of them.

Big Chiv, we have to be patient. The tactic of dominating possession in our own penalty area will begin to pay off soon enough...

Your not wrong Lordjohnny LOL.

You are absolutely right OyVeh Maria, I'm afraid we will never win anything until Lewis, Levy and Co. sell up and ride away over the horizon, with their exorbitant profit, and hopefully have sold to somebody with the means, the will, and the ambition, to take this club forward, to where it, and the fans, want and deserve to be.

and Fulham and Everton away, difficult run coming up.

Friedel?........................ F*U*C*K OFF YOU OLD GIT and RETIRE. YOUR AVERAGE, INFACT YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGHOUT YOUR HOLE CAREER.

OyVeh Maria, it won't be long before we start seeing thousands of seats empty.

You pays your hard earned Oyveh, you've got every right to boo. They never say don't cheer too loud when we're winning, so should expect plenty of clog when they're exhibiting the sort of crapola seen today.

Chelmspur Playing devil's advocate here, you could well say that Lloris kept us in it up until his blunder against norwich., but both 'keepers have been dreadfully let down by their defence and the defence has been badly let down by the midfield. At the end of the day it is a team game and we are not playing and a team so to apportion the blame to one player alone is ridiculous and unfair.

Chrishove123, that blunder by Friedel was basic goal keeping error.Under pressure, ball coming near the crossbar.... As for his other saves (think there were three), two of them were hit directly at him,so he's being given the benefit! I thought Wigan strikers had come from the same school as Defoe, i.e., shoot at the goalie. Just as well, otherwise the game could've been over a lot earlier.

and sorry for persistent posting, but why do you the fans go to the game you guys? hmm? is it to get behind the lads, because they and you too love them? well, I, just like tons and tons of other fans find it really hard to get a ticket and can only make the occasional trip to WHL or any other Spurs game for that matter. So please, stop with the **** and stop moaning and groaning and booing...I mean, do you expect the lads to play well with a demanding bunch like the lot at WHL today whipping their backs constantly? Goodness me you guys, going to the Lane is a privilige, not to be taken for granted, so if ythe boo-boys dont want their tickets, they can wipe their arses with them or at least give them to people who can get behind the team. The poor support has to be sorted out. No wonder why we can't buy a home win ATM....anyway, onwards and upwards! COYS!

Sorry that should have been WAS playing in a fashion that made it easy for us.

When Sandro went off, that meant we were without him & Dembele, and add Parker to that. This allowed Wigan to concentrate on defending the wings because there was no threat going forward from midfield. Livermore (who nobody here seems to like anyway) is also injured. That left us with Hudd (still a long way from being anywhere near his best) and Gylfi (who has struggled to settle in). Add to that, you could hear a pin drop at the lane today (after about 10 mins, and BEFORE Sandro went off) and you guys wonder why we struggle? Sure, there are plenty points for discussion, but when a team is depleted as much as ours is through injuries (add to that the loss of Mod and VDV). Did you guys seriously expect another 9-1? I agree that we were awful, but if you take 5 key players from any team in the Prem (and possibly every team in Europe), they will struggle. Wigan must absolutely love our fans too. If you wanna be so forthcoming in bitching at the players, then we also need to look at our own performance, because we were ****e. All you have to do is look at the comments you yourselves have posted, not just here today, but as early as our first three games. You can kid yourself all you want, but we have been on our own team's back since AVB was appointed. There are a lot of people viewing the comments here, who are not registered, and who do not comment, yet they are influenced by what is said. This goes for other sites too. There is far too much random hatred amongst a lot of people here. For example, Ox's article titled "Is Dempsey the new Pienaar?" -- another player who didn't get much of a chance, from either the manager and us. Now he's back at Everton and playing some fantastic football. Truth is, anyone who doesn't hit the ground running with us becomes a target in our eyes, and the saddest thing of all is that most of our fans take a masochistic joy in this. If you want players to stand up and fight for the club, then shouldn't we, the people who expect this attitude, stand up and fight for them? Now, you may all talk about having the right to throw abuse at players because of the wages they are on, and how much it costs to get into the Lane these days. For the first, I say get over it. It is the way it is and is not going to change. You may say for 50k a week I'd take any amount of abuse, and I would too. But I tell you this, I'd perform a hell of a lot better if I wasn't getting that abuse. Now, I mentioned Ox earlier in a negative light, so now I feel it only fair to show him in a positive one. I totally respect him for defending Livermore. Ask yourselves this: When was the last time a player came through the ranks at our club, and made it? I mean, really made it? Lennon? Bought! Bale? Bought! Walker? Bought! Defoe? Bought. On and on it goes. yet, when we have a promising player (If things carry on, the same will happen to Townsend et al) what do we do? Do we give him a chance to learn his trade and develop? Do we offer support, give them time to gain experience and prove themselves? NO! We dont! So, lets recap for a second. We don't give new players who don't shine immediately any breathing space to adapt to our club. We slate, and abuse our own, home-grown players when they are on a learning curve, and then we cry out for Levy to bring in "proven" world class players, which costs money in transfers and wages, and on top of the new training ground and the future cost of the new Stadium (Frank, you made some good points about that, but as this is already a seriously long post, I'll have to chat with you about that another time! lol) we as fans suffer going through the gates. I had to move to Ireland for work commitments, I have a young family to support, and I get back to the Lane as often as I can. I was able to watch the game today on TV over here, and I actually thanked God I wasn't there today. WE, as fans, were awful! WE, as fans, on this forum and others, are pathetic. Did you see Bale today? He wasn't just frustrated at the how we were playing. He didn't look happy playing at the Lane! And I don't blame him, not with that atmosphere! The booing of AVB taking off Defoe for Ade actually had me in stitches, because the majority of posts I've read here and elsewhere wanted Ade in and Defoe out! Again, we were poor as a team today, and disgraceful as fans. No wonder we look more at home playing away, where true support is shown for our players. Love my Team, seriously hating a lot of people here with great vengeance and furious anger (okay, sorry, but I do love that quote!). COYS!

im not convinced by huddlestone and wouldnt mind if he went. he does nothing. we miss VDV his goals and creativity. yes he couldnt manage 90 mins but he did the business before then more times than not. obviously we need modric replacement. i like the look of dembele, hopefully he is back. but i think we should be looking at going back to 4-4-2 with ade and defoe. my team from now on would be (when injurys are back) lloris, walker, kaboul, vertonghen, benny, lennon, parker (captian) dembele, bale, defoe, ade anyone agree?

when you let Corluka, Krank Modric VDV all go in the same season you are going to have issues ... b.ollox Sig has not settled in the PL he played for Swansea last season just an average player not good enough for us Dempsey another waste of ******** space never should of been at the lane ... Defoe can ***** off had is purple patch will now help the rot set in AVB has to buck his idea up ... I see Chelsea happening as he is persisting with player out of form ... as for that W.anky F.u.cking American Friedel ... someone shoot him and put him out of his misery like a ******** dog on his last legs who will not die peacefully ... if that was Gomes you lot would of ripped him a new asshole for that but Frediel the ***** stain is OK? Dempsey, Defoe, Sig, Friedel, Gallas, all have to go in Jan they are the rot ... we are going to sink faster thant eh titanic with AVB in charge ... not sad about the result as wigan fully deserved it as stated but AVB is the man to take the wrap for this ... don't tell me he had no input to the players coming and going once appointed .

Once again, great post SpursEagle. However i warn you, you are banging your head against a brick wall with this lot. I said on AVB's appointment that the only thing that can stop him being a long-term success would be our own fans who were brainlessly negative to AVB right from the start. I stand by that. Judging by how outrageously terrible our fans are at WHL and on this site this season my worries are growing. At least our next 2 games are away from home so the lads and manager will get some proper support from the proper fans who travel. Its no surprise to me that our away form is much better than our home form so far. If the brainless boo-boys get their way AVB may well not even get a chance at Spurs. I'm probably wasting my keypad here, but again for the brainless on here WE ARE MISSING OUR ENTIRE SPINE FROM LAST SEASON, WE LOST VDV & MODRIC WHO WEREN'T REPLACED, WE CURRENTLY HAVE 5 OR 6 KEY INJURIES. DESPITE THAT WE ARE 5TH, 2 POINTS ABOVE ARSENAL. ITS EARLY DAYS!! WE WERE NEVER GOING TO HIT THE GROUND RUNNING PLAYING WORLD-BEATING FOOTBALL! LETS GET OUR PLAYERS BACK, LET THIS NEW MANAGER AND PLAYERS SETTLE IN AND GIVE THEM A CHANCE!

You are not alone StillRickyVilla, I am with you. The merchants of doom were predicting relegation after the first 3 games, we are now 5th with half a first team missing and they still want blood. Levy has to shoulder the blame for the current situation for not replacing the quality we have lost. I am not saying AVB is perfect, the Friedel situation an example, but as I keep saying give him some players and a full season and than make a judgement.

SRV, who let VDV go on last day and gets Dempsey in? Modric had to go didn't want to play for us ... AVB is making the same mistakes game after game .... the fans have every right to boo shocking performances ... dropped points at home to Norwich, WBA and Wigan come on that acceptable?? Chelsea shocking performance from our team ... you are right missing players BAE ... Twitchy is to blame for Parker he ran him into the ground last season rather than rotate ... lets be fair though AVB is not rotating that much he is going to burn out some of the players ... as said he persists on playing players who are out of form ie Walker ... Freidel as it is well known I hate ... you say never going to hit the ground running?? Freidel Walker Gallas Defoe Ade (injured) Bale Lennon Livermore Sandro Huddlestone were all there last season Caulker has stepped up and is showing the class I knew he would trust me he is the new King jsut hope his knees are not!! AVB, has had what 13 games in charge struggles to draw in Europa defeated to norwich ... in CO cup ony the 45 mins against UTD was any good ... as much as Harry was foolish at times he got the best out of the players he had when he had injuries etc AVB will not have time to settle I want him to be successful every fan does but what you miss is straight after a defeat it is raw and fans are passionate ... Credit was due to wigan and I am glad he admitted it but we should not lose to teams of that standard .... stilll will prob pick up 6 points at Arsenal and city now!!

I understand all the comments about player injuries and squad depth posted on this thread. Agreed this is making the current job more difficult for AVB. I am, however, extremely worried by the attitude and application of the 11 players that do take to the pitch for Spurs at the moment. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to replace the quality of King, Kaboul, Modric, VdV, Dembele etc. However the job of a manager (in my opinion) is to ensure that, whatever the footballing abilities of the 11 players that take to the field of play for us, they at least try their very hardest and at least show some spirit, respect for the shirt and desire to earn their significant wages. At the moment that isn't happening for us and that is a big, big worry. I wouldn't care if AVB fielded the under 16s team if they at least looked they were trying and that they cared. The players that pull on the shirt at the moment look confused and disinterested to me. That is something AVB has to deal with immediatley or he will be failing in his duties. If AVB can get a hold of the squad and then we add some much needed quality to it (in the form of returning injured players or new arrivals) then I firmly believe we will do well with AVB. If not we're in for a long and difficult season. I fear some our players feel they can get away with a poor attitude and approach because of AVBs experience at Chelsea. This is his chance to dispel the myth.

Dear Boo Boys at the lane yesterday F%£ OFF you know nothing about football and make me ashamed to call myself a Spurs supporter. Defoe did nothing on the ball and off it and we ain't Manchester Cityor united get over it and P1$$of to the local pantomimes where you belong !! The Players had a really bad day but were trying oh I know lets boo !!! that reallys helps them on !! please do not boo my team again in the East Stand upper you may well end up recieving a right hander :)

Big C I think you may be right if things don't change. We cannot expect top players like Bale and Lloris to stay France international GK playing second fiddle and Bale who is wanted by Real Madrid who hasn't a quality player around him or a decent striker he can cross to. Then there is Vertonghen how long will he want to play in an average team.

We were bound to problems with new manager and losing good players that was on the cards so non of this should be a surprise. What we have to do is see what AVB does with what he has at his disposal throughout the season how he responds and we have to see what Levy does regarding opening the wallet and between them seeking some quality players in January.

In all honesty I bet AVB is really not convinced about any subs he makes because if we are honest are any of our subs game changers? Maybe he is just trying them all out to really see what they can do maybe it is part of the bigger picture and that he has been given this season to work out just who is up for it and who isn't.

Am i worried of course not because I have no faith in AVB it is too early to say he hasn't got any players of his own yet but because I am not sure what Levy is expecting. If levy is expecting top four with these players then he is deluded and the reason I am worried is if this is what Levy is expecting and AVB cannot achieve that are we going to be getting another manager.

It is hard to know what Levy and the owners are wanting. It seems to me Levy wanted CL and he felt HR cost us of that so he brought in AVB to finish the job HR started but didn't complete yet the signings and selling of players haven't matched that desire.

Now maybe that is because we just couldn't conclude the deals like Mountinho and a striker so we settled for Dembele and Dempsey. I don't know. Maybe Dembele was going to come anyway and he was also expecting Mountinho deal to be done. Siggy is a strange one in terms of what we paid. I can see why he was brought for potential but not at the price we paid. Vertonghen was a good buy to replace King.

We need to stay calm and see if Levy and co can get the players in january if they don't then their actions speak for themselves. either this season is a sorting out season with a longer term view and AVB is safe no matter what or Levy and co are not investing and are expecting miracles for a manager to achieve top four with average players, all will be revealed.

In the meantime we will have to just get on with it and it is better to try and support the players and the manager otherwise confidence will drop even further.

YES STOP THE BOOS AND NEGATIVITY AT THE GROUND IT IS NOT HELPFUL. HAVE SOME PRIDE. WE ALL HAVE BAD DAYS AT WORK AND NOT EVERYONE AT WORK IS WORLD CLASS AT THEIR JOBS - ARE YOU?



LETS GET BEHIND THE TEAM AND MANAGER. ITS DIFFICULT TIMES BUT BOOING WILL DO NOTHING EXCEPT MAKE THINGS WORSE

Thoughts on Dempsey and Siggy. Both have an identity crisis.Dempsey is not a striker and nor is he a midfielder...so what is he? Siggy is not a midfield creator or a midfield defender. ..so what is he? We knew exactly what Modric was...ball holding creative midfielder and VDV ditto with great scoring record.If you sign mediocre players with no flair or personality,you place the manager in an intolerable position.We haven't got the depth in reserve...Falque and Carroll as neat little chaps as they are will get slaughtered by the big boys.Just look at Defoe and Lennon being gobbled up by eager defenders.

Fans aren`t allowed to boo when they`re watching complete $hit ?
That`s a joke in itself ,can cost up to £200 when you add it all up to watch a game of football these days .IMO no fan has a right to judge on who a true fan is or not .Maybe the true fans are the boo boys because they actually give a $hit & don`t appreciate being ripped off & taken for mugs .
It`s the same across the entertainment industry .Spoilt brat millionaires who are taking but not giving anything back .Lets face the simple fact that the same players you are fighting the corner for, has no care for you .

E17YID - Dawson's as good as gone in my opinion. He now is behind a 35 year old former great, a young-gun who is settling in well, and 2 internationals one of whom one is injured and the other covering at LB. Gallas vs Dawson is a current valid debate because Gallas has looked susceptible at times. However, Dawson came in on Wednesday and was simply all at sea for Norwich's 2nd. We can perhaps forgive him this time as he's not had much game time. However, it's not as if we haven't seen that type of schoolboy error year after year. Like most, I just want Ekotto back and Vertonghen in the middle with Caulker and of course Lloris between the posts. Walker will either sort it out or give Naughton a go.

@thfc1882, if lloris cannot speak any english (which may be true but I imagine is red top pants) then why not teach the rest if the squad french? they'll learn it faster than friedel will keep a clean sheet≥

My fellow Spurs supporters, the bottom line is that DL and ENIC have screwed us over and will continue to screw us over - if anyone needs to 'jog on' it's those tossers. DL masquerades as a fan, a fan of his own bank account is about it. Enough is enough. It Jan we'll buy no-one unless they're cheap and **** and DL and that bronzed whore shagging fossil who lives in the Bahamas can turn a profit. Sainsbury's, great, Levy should be lynched.

E17YID...... Not blowing my own trumpet here mate but I've been saying since Ajax played Utd last season that Vertonghen was a class act. I think he was bought more for his resale value than with an eye on him becoming our captain for the next 10 years and that's a sad indictment of where we stand as a club under the present owners.

E17YID..... I also suspect you're right about Vertonghen moving, although I think that 5 years may be wishful thinking. Dembele looks a perfect fit for Utd, Vertonghen could go anywhere he wanted and Bale is probably already house hunting in Spain. Doubt any of them will be wearing the shirt in two years time and who can really blame them?
Oh and don't expect like for like replacements either, we don't do that anymore thanks to our smalltime owners. If we don't get CL football this season Bale will be gone in the summer and when we have to start paying the lions share of Adebayors wages we'll not be able to shift him on. He'll sit there picking up his salary just like he did at City. Levy has alienated countless chairmen, agents and players with his antics during numerous windows, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will, very soon, come a time when 'what goes around, comes around'.

Ohh....I'm a modern day player and I'll only play well if you cheer me all the time. Otherwise it's all your fault when we lose. What a crock of ****.

booing is just counter productive

Chrihove123. Re-read my comments, I had missed out the line where Sandro off? who to replace him with, so itjust read Sandro? All my mistake....Sorry ! COS

Guyver- So we lost yesterday because fans had the temerity to tell the team they were crap? Er...I think not.

bigC lol

No Guyver, it was because of the brutal way the players had their feelings hurt that they couldn't stop Wigan scoring, and after that, frankly, didn't feel like trying to get an equaliser for the ungrateful audience. Perhaps we ought to pay the team a bonus when they have their delicate emotions trampled on in such an uncaring way. Shame on you, White Hart Lane, you naughty people.

SpursEagle-Munster TRY every game, otherwise they'd be out on their ****. As for dissent, I don't think Tomas O Leary was exactly hearing praise every minute of his playing career at Thomond in his last few games before heading off to LI. Also the culture of rugby is different. Complete silence when penalties are being taken for instance. And I think remuneration is relevant as in rugby players put everything on the line for a fraction of soccer players wages, and as such, will be treated more sympathetically as a result. I must say, as someone who has always regarded football as favourite, rugby is gradually winning me over (just like Jimmy Greaves apparently).

You're right Guyver. It makes them narcissistic gob*****es, which is why a little booing every now and again does them good, and will possibly make them realise they have to do a little more than just turn up and expect adoration.

Booing does them good? Wheres the evidence for that? Our home record this season? lol

SpursEagle It`s not hard to phuck off & support someone else so preaching all the time .You think your $hit don`t stink ?

You stated you went to another bar to watch the game ? well who are you to judge the fans inside the ground .You`re such a great fan all you do is fight the corner of overpaid millionaires who have absolutely no care for you .They don`t need our help or support ,they just need to do their job .The praise & all the singing comes with fine performances ,good football encourages a great atmosphere .How can fans get so excited when the football is that dull .I only go to around 8 games a season now ,i would`ve hated to have handed over my hard earned cash to watch that rubbish .
Shame pay is not performance related ,bet they`d try harder then .

Small Cockeral -- I don't have to explain myself to you, but having to move to another country does curtail one's opportunities to get to the Lane every week. As for fighting the corners of overpaid millionaires? Pah, I don't agree with wages players get these days, and I never said I did. However, that is the way it is! I support my team, and if that means sticking up for some of the players, then sure. What's wrong with that? There is absolutely nothing I can do or say to change the wages situation, but I'm not gonna let that turn me into a cynic like a lot of people here. The football is dull right now? Well, I do agree. BUT, new manager, new system, some players out, some players in, massive injury list ... I don't do reactionary, mate. And, I get over for as many games as you, pal, at a far greater cost both in monetary terms and being away from my little ones.

Funny how those asking for tolerance for the team are so intolerant of critics. Just like a microcosm of society. Nobody is criticising you for cheering all the time, so don't criticise those who choose to boo.

@SpursEagle & Big C, you guys should consider starting your own forum where you can slag each other off, that way the rest of us wouldn't have to read it. Deleting 1st's, how about deleting your collective vitriolic nonsense. Both of you, please, for the rest of us on here, give it a break.

Sorry PondersEndSpur. Of course you're not a COMPLETE moron, but if you keep threatening violence on dissenters you will make that important move from partial to complete.