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Dont Panic!!

Dont Panic!!

Okay, so we have lost three on the bounce and have just played our worst game of the season. Question is should we panic or keep a calm and considered head?

It might well be that Hugo Lloris should have started. Perhaps we should have played Adebayor with or instead of Jermain Defoe and certainly considered partnering them together when we needed to recover yesterday. Equally, has Lloris really looked so much better than Friedel on the pitch and also in training? What do the trusted defenders currently prefer? Has AVB had a quiet word over how they prefer to play and therefore based his selection of simple team harmony and feeling? Sure we have our preferences, but are these selections really that black and white?

What is very obvious is that we are seriously short in several key areas right through the pitch, even if the keeper isn't one of them. In defence, we have six fit defenders, in Walker, Naughton, Gallas, Vertonghen, Dawson and Caulker for four places. With Gallas only seeming to be fit for one game a week and Dawson looking ever more likely for the exit door in January, we hardly have too many options to make radical or even minor changes. Perhaps with the returns of Kaboul and BAE we will have that opportunity, but until then, we are stuffed.

Without, Parker, Dembele, Sandro and Livermore yesterday, what did we really expect? Hudd has played well in my opinion, but he needs pace and drive alongside him, and all of those senior options were missing. Could he has pushed Vertonghen into midfield and added Naughton to Left Back? I will leave you to debate that one, but if hardly worked at Norwich in midweek did it. It did cross my mind that we could have changed to a 4-3-3 with Sigurdsson and Bale protecting a deep sitting Hudd, but would we have been any better off against a Wigan side that grew in confidence by the minute. Just an addition, what chance a recall for Jermaine jenas, should the prognosis on Sandro and Dembele not be good?

Sure we could have partnered Defoe and Adebayor in a 4-4-2, but when the middle four were unable to supply decent, if any ball to one striker, would they have done better with two and more defensive duties to cover? Dempsey and Adebayor, also offered greater physical stature than little Jermain. Facts are that if your midfield engine isn't firing, you are probably going to revert to playing wide or going route one, so did AVB really make a mess of his substitution's when the midfield was failing and he had so few options at his disposal?

It wasn't so long ago, that fans were glad to be rid of Harry and were happy to embrace Villas-Boas. Equally a season of development was the order of the day and Champions league football could wait a little longer, as we were looking at the long term not instant turnaround. After ten Prem games, have things really changed for the worst to an extent where we are already talking about a clueless manager and useless players?

What we need is to keep our own nerves and back the team in a time of transition that seemingly the majority wanted. We know we are short of several key players and that might well be the case until the new year, but we also know that we didn't bring in the likes of Moutinho or Willian, who were suggested as being key to AVB's tactical master plan. Instead we have brought in good quality, but hardly game winning players into the team such as Dempsey, Sigurdsson and a previously unwanted Huddlestone, who perhaps are fine for our squad, but are they really players to add creativity and enough quality to make us better than we currently are?

Lets do what we were born to do and that is support our club in a time of transition. Lets back our players and manager to get things right and lets pray that our Chairman has the time, money and all his persuasive powers fully charged to bring AVB the players that he feels can take us in the direction we need to be heading and then give him the rest of the season to get them to gel into something exciting regardless of where it takes us this season. I assume we are too good to get relegated, so lets enjoy the developments for all the bumps and bruises that are sure to be inflicted in the way...



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Sunday November 4 2012
Time: 12:02PM

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Famous last words, don't panick Mr Mannering!
ItalianYiddo
04/11/2012 12:06:00
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panick?
ItalianYiddo
04/11/2012 12:17:00
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we seemed to be going back he ways.the performance's should be getting better game by game not looking like a headless chicken run about.worried a little.excuses don't rub,sick hearing them year after year.
bazdog
04/11/2012 12:19:00
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No need to panic if we have a plan to turn things around. From what I have seen so far this season we are not capable of challenging for 3rd 2nd or 1st . We are in a group that could get 4th 5th 6th or 7th. AVB must be given a chance to prove himself, If he can't then drastic measures will need to be taken. AVB has been unlucky in as much as injuries have weakened the squad also it is not his fault we didn't get back up in the transfer window that is the fault of the chairman. Both of them have the next 2-3 months to put thing right. So don't panic yet!!!!!!!!!!
4everaspur
04/11/2012 12:20:00
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I was hoping for a Mourhino style start from AVB where the performances may not have been exciting but a winning mentality was created from the start in particular at WHL. Unfortunately I have been surprised at how easily this Spurs side can be beaten and I'm disappointed that AVB is not better tactically; several times this season I hoped that we would simply out play the opposition I.e WestBrom, Norwich, Wigan... And in the event it wasn't going to plan AVB would bring something that HR couldn't - that being some tactics to grind out a result but that hasn't been the case and I think like many fans were not panicking we're simply disappointed. We can say there's been injuries, we can say we've lost Modric, we can blame the Chairman for not backing AVB in the transfer market but when we lose to Wigan at home off the back of losing to Norwich we have to be concerned.
MrSpurs
04/11/2012 12:22:00
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no need to panic about the performance, we do this once every season at home, we are spurs, this is what we do. what we do need to panic about the atmosphere at the lane. It is no coincidence that our away performances have been so much better this season, where our top notch away support has BACKED THE TEAM. Sick of the self-entitled consumers who are not supporters at the lane. the lane, outside pockets of the park lane the lane was a LIBRARY yesterday. we need to sort it out.
wiltshirespur
04/11/2012 12:29:00
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bet you any money and knowing our luck, once we sell dawson in january caulker and gallas will get injured!
COYS_TSB
04/11/2012 12:35:00
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Hopefully Gallas is injured now!!!
woodyn17
04/11/2012 12:37:00
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Let's put a little perspective on the situation.

We lose away at Newcastle 0 points, we beat West Brom, 3 point, we beat Norwich 3 points, we draw away at Reading 1 point, we beat QPR 3 points, we lose at Man U 0 points, we beat Villa 3 points, we draw with Chelsea 1 point, we draw away at the Dell 1 point, we beat Wigan 3 points. Total points 18 points.

How many of you would have not taken the above scenario with a new manager and the loss of four of our most influential players at before the start of the season? Actual points on the board 17. Start supporting your team at home, without your negativity and with your support we may have done better. COYS
ItalianYiddo
04/11/2012 12:39:00
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First, what chairman sacks the most successful manager we've had in years and replaces him with a proven Premier League flop? Second, what manager persists with a system he hasn't got the players for instead of playing them to their strengths and in a system they are familiar with? Forget Old Trafford and the other wins this season because we were made to look good in almost all of them. MU didn't show up in the first half, QPR were unlucky and Saints nearly came back in the second half. Unless we sack AVB, or he uses players to their strengths (Lennon and Bale on the flanks, Defoe playing off Adebayor, for instance), the signs are beginning to show that we'll return to being a mediocre mid-table club.
hiano
04/11/2012 12:43:00
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Gallas is already injured, he has right hamstring problems, only the gaffer tape keeps him going, strap it up and i will be ok, NO your not ok, Friedel may have mashed up the attempted corner, he could have turned it over the bar, but when it did drop, watch again who scored and Gallas was standing behind him, not in front of him. How many years has football been played, how many of you guys play football, i bet you always have a player on each goal post when a corner is taken against you? Proven fact a man on the line will stop a lot more go in. Still this is modern day and that just does not happen in football any more, yeah right. PANIC, no just take every win as a bonus.
spu 4 life
04/11/2012 12:43:00
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hiano right so basically we ignore everything he's done right because... well why exactly? and focus entirely on what he's done wrong, despite him winning away at United and having won 3 more away games than we did in the first half of 2012 under redknapp. The problem is the poisonous atmosphere at the lane. Go and read BAE's tweets over the last few hours on the subject.
wiltshirespur
04/11/2012 12:56:00
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A team that is within reach of winning against a multi-million Chelsea side without their best two players is now suddenly terrible. Bad day all round yesterday, but come on we are 5th without being able to field our strongest side yet. Surely not all Spurs fans are Sun readers? Please not. COYS
ItalianYiddo
04/11/2012 12:58:00
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I'm panicking - we haven't played well in any of our home games - certainly compared to most of our home games of last season. Defoe, Dempsey and Sigurdsson are all players that are pretty anonymous unless they score. There is no doubt that injuries are having a big impact on the team but after selling Modric and VDV the team lacks class and the killer pass from midfield - and we still need a goalscorer who can lead the line - we haven't had one since Berbatov was sold 4 years ago. I didn't always agree with Redknapp but he knew what he wanted from the players and the team and the players responded - I like AVB but he got the Chelsea and Spurs jobs on the back of one season with Porto - he seems unwilling or unable to change his methods for home games which are patently not working, I also think he is loosing the dressing room. A year ago everything looked great - now the storm clouds are gathering over the Lane again - this seems to be a familar syory of being a Spurs fan. I wan't AVB to be a success but just can't see it happening. COYS
tottenhamtony
04/11/2012 13:04:00
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Nice article Ox but, TRANSITION, all the time transition, we've been in transition since the day ENIC took over. Phucking ice ages come and go quicker than we transition. Transition is just an excuse to buy cheap for the 'future' and if we can't see that by now then we never will. Oh and 'for the future' actually means "This'll swell the ENIC coffers considerably in the very near future". Am I the only one to see the irony of the English National Investment Company being based in the Bahamas? It wouldn't surprise me in the least to discover that THFC is just a tax deductable money laundering exercise for the Tavistock group because we're certainly not an investment they're looking to maximise. Unless of course you consider all the prime N17 real estate that they own, don't forget that Levy has a degree in Land Economy and they certainly own a great deal of land!
thfc1882whl
04/11/2012 13:06:00
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F*ck BAE's tweets. He's a highly paid player and if he doesn't like it when fans express their opinions, then find something else to do. As for all this panic nonsense, fans don't 'panic' about football. They react badly when they are paying a sizeable sum to watch players who frankly, don't deserve the money they are getting. And that goes for management too. Fans panic when they can't pay their mortgage, or are having their homes repossessed, or any of the other myriad stresses of modern life, that, incidentally, are way beyond the understanding of footballers, who display their vulgar trashy lifestyles all over the place, and treat supporters with contempt. Get some fricking perspective; fans do not do 'long term goals', 'transition periods' '5 year plans' and all the other guff. They turn up on a Saturday to be expensively entertained, as some respite from their daily drudge, and if these gits don't do it for them, then give them clog and let them know. After all, they happily accept all the acclaim the rest of the time, on and off the pitch.
lordjohnny
04/11/2012 13:12:00
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the system AVB is playing seems to work well in away games but at home we need two strikers.My concern is this bloke is going to be stubborn and persist in a home line up which does not work. You can play Defoe in two or three games but then diminishing retuns will set in and he has to be taken out again. Levy is to blame here. We have not had a good striker combination since Berbatov and Keane. Football is about putting the ball in the net and we need a consistent goalscorer to play with Adebayor. We have two away matches coming up and this may work to our advantage.I fear the bigger picture is that AVB at age 35 does not have sufficient experience to manage a club as difficult as Tottenham and I mean the Directors and supporters here. Anyway I am sure AVB will get a season to show if he can adapt and at least at the moment I am happy with the away performances.
cynicspur
04/11/2012 13:15:00
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Considering we have lost our best players in the summer, our 1st team is decimated by injuries and we are adapting to a new manager, system and methods, we are about where i'd expect after 10 games. Doing ok, not great, but ok. As i said when AVB was appointed our BIGGEST risk is a large section of the home 'support'who never took to AVB from the start and it appears want him to fail. Brainless, but what can you do? The atmosphere at home is shocking, quiet at best, booing the team at worst. Christ knows what our new recruits think. I don't think fans realise the effect they have, (i don't care how little money we have or how much they have - who cares? this is football) its no surprise to me that in front of our magnificent away support we are playing much, much better.
StillRickyVilla
04/11/2012 13:18:00
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I was there yesterday and, yes, the atmosphere was poor but it surely cannot be blamed for the desperately poor performance on the pitch. From the first minute they were out of sorts and there really were very few redeeming features. Tell me what other club's supporters would have cheered the team on through such a shambles. Funds don't mind quite so much if the players appear to be giving their all - sometimes you just get outplayed - but there was no leadership, no oomph, no passion. Listen to Friedel's MoTD interview; he knows they were rank and I'm sure the others do, too. Blaming the fans is a major cop out. They need to come in tomorrow, sort out their heads and make sure they put things right in the next three games. Both Maribor and Arsenal are fallible and no reason why we can't pressurise City as we did at Old Trafford. They are not the same team they were last season, at least not yet, so we have to show some balls and go for it. COYS
KingGlenn
04/11/2012 13:20:00
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Fans, not funds, obviously. Does predictive test have a sense of humour?
KingGlenn
04/11/2012 13:22:00
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With regards to the playing side of things I think that given the fact that AVB has been landed with players chosen by others, he's doing as well as can be expected. We will only be able to judge him properly once he's been allowed to buy the players he sees fitting into his system. Even if they're not in the £20-30 million pound bracket a good manager can find these players from a cheaper pool, so January will tell us a lot more about AVB's all round ability. My one real issue with AVB is the fact that he seems unable to adapt his tactics to suit his players, instead he forces his tactics upon them regardless. I do hope he isn't another square pegs in round holes type but at the minute the signs aren't great.
On another article I said that the Utd result may well have been a negative because the euphoria of victory masked a lot of our shortcomings. Let's be honest here, that game could quite easily have gone the same way the Chelsea game did. It didn't and I'm glad it didn't but only the most myopic supporter would consider that we have given anyone a lesson in football this season. In my opinion, our best performance this season so far, has been the Lazio game. Play like that week in week out and we'd be up around the top 4 come may. Play like yesterday and we'll be closer to the bottom 4 points wise.
thfc1882whl
04/11/2012 13:23:00
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2 things you got wrong in your apologetic speech: 1. Yes, the Wigan game might be the worst although when we played Norwich at WHL it was equally atrocious. To be honest it was just as bad as yesterday. Another home game. Talk about pattern here rather than "one bad day in the office". 2. Yes, some of us wanted to get rid of Harry but we didn't necessarily want him to be replaced with AVB. I thought (and still do) it was a mistake of the same proportion. As someone correctly pointed out here the win at OT has hidden our genuine problems. It's amazing how all our games were played under the same scenario: we score and then hold on to that and get battered. With luck we survive. But more realistically we either draw (like Norwich/WBA at home) or lose (Norwich - League Cup). Yesterday was so bad we didn't even manage to score. Now where we share kind of the same view about the current Tottenham team and its manager is that you indirectly admit that fans should be prepared for the mid table position in the end. Can't argue with that. The difference is we know it.
Moscovite
04/11/2012 13:25:00
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I do think AVB has to make some changes to trigger a change from the lastfew games. I really think Gallas has to be hooked, injury or not. He was responsible for three goals vs Chelsea and was awful yesterday. Play Jan and Caulker in the middle, then Naughton if not BAE on the left. Huddlestone is not up to it right now and Dempsey looks slow. Play a midfield four at home with Sandro and Gylfi (in Dembele's absence), Lennon and Bale flanking and Ade and jermain upfront. Personally I'd play Ade and Jermain on Thursday to give them time to tune up for next Sunday.
KingGlenn
04/11/2012 13:30:00
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The most magnificent thing about supporting a football team is that you REALLY have an impact, a part to play. You can turn the tide of an entire match with a rousing "COYS, COYS, COYS". You see it in the players, they suddenly get an extra 10-20% and the entire match can change. Its why playing at home SHOULD be an advantage. At the moment, we are having the opposite effect - the poisonous, quiet, negative atmosphere is like tying weights to the players legs. Doesn't matter how much money they have or haven't got - when you strip it down its still 11 emotional human beings running around a grass pitch trying to score goals. Those who want to boo and criticise at games, you carry on but believe this you ARE having a massively negative effect on the team.
StillRickyVilla
04/11/2012 13:30:00
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lordjohnny dont give me that consumer crap. we are supporters, we support the team, not wait for them to play well. Supporters don't go to games to be 'expensively entertained' they go to games to SUPPORT THE BLOODY TEAM and to sing their hearts out regardless of how the teams playing. Yeah we pay a lot of money, why not make bloody use of it even though the team isn't playing well??? I don't understand people who pay a lot of money to sit there quietly and moan and whine and boo! make your own enjoyment and get the atmosphere going and maybe, just maybe, the team might play better because they are being supported!!! Its not about how you feel about the footballers, the fact is, they play better when the crowd is behind them, we know that from the ridiculously skewed results between home and away form. Support, and particularly home support, can make the difference between a good performance and a bad one, look at stoke at home, terrific atmosphere, and how tough they are to beat at home. Our home atmosphere has been terrible, our performances have been terrible at home, and there is a correlation.
wiltshirespur
04/11/2012 13:31:00
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I think the Man Utd victory had a larger impact on the supporters than it did on the players. People forgot that our squad isnt actually that great, they forgot we only have 2 strikers of which 1 has been unfit most of the season. We have no cover for Bale or Lennon. If either are off form, or injured, we have nothing from the bench to replace them with. After the Man U game, expectations rose, but the quality of the squad did not. Im sticking with my pre season view, that this squad is not top 4 material. Arsenal and Man City away coming up, our midfield combo could be Thudd and Livermore!
Guyver
04/11/2012 13:33:00
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lordjohnny's spot on, and StillRickyVilla, the fans are the most important people. If the new recruits think what the fans want them to think then that is all that matters. On Saturday's showing, the message was - if you don't like being booed, then you better buck up. Anyone who doesn't get that message doesn't deserve to play for Spurs.
hiano
04/11/2012 13:38:00
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Guyver, just out of curiosity: if our squad is not top 4 material then which is? Arsenal? Everton? Liverpool perhaps? Who do you genuinely expect to finish 4th this season?
Moscovite
04/11/2012 13:43:00
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I do not go along with the proposition that AVB must be allowed to buy players who will fit in with his philosophy of one striker up front at home.The players he has apart from the chronic requirement for a goalscorer are excellent and will perform when played in a formation that will maximise their strengths. AVB is aware I am sure that it is easier to sack the manager than change a perfectly good set of players. Having said all that we do have serious injury problems and in fact our best players are out ,but we struggled at home even when they were all present. That is why I feel his formations at home are the problem.
cynicspur
04/11/2012 13:45:00
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hiano, well if you think the best way to get the best out of people is to whine, criticise and moan at them well i just hope your not in business mate!!
StillRickyVilla
04/11/2012 13:46:00
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Probably Arsenal, when was the last time they finished outside of the top 4? If we had no injuries throughout the entire season we'd have a chance, but thats not how football works.
Guyver
04/11/2012 13:48:00
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I wouldn't want to play football at the lane currently, whatever money you gave me, this is coming from someone who loves the club so how can you expect mercenary footballers to? The Lane poisonous and sickly and I'm fed up of people supporting our appauling atmosphere, we played a lot worse a few years ago and the atmosphere was far better.
wiltshirespur
04/11/2012 13:49:00
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Wilthire, absolutely. The modern prawn-sandwich brigade, sit back and entertain me please. If i'm not instantly entertained i'm going to moan and groan at you. I've paid my money don't you know? Now ENTERTAIN me! Skysports and the PL have done that to our sport. Its why i go to more away games than home games now, you get amongst the proper support and you feel part of the club once again.
StillRickyVilla
04/11/2012 13:52:00
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I hope AVB learn from his mistakes by his team selection and subsituitions, I will be very disappointed if he make the same mistake again.
what_sux
04/11/2012 14:12:00
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again there seems to be 2 schools of thought on this one:1.'come rain or shine i will sing my heart out til i'm hoarse because this is my team regardless.'how many managers have said that the fans are the 12th man and can really lift the team?how many times have managers said 'the fans were terrific and really gave us a boost'?.............2.'i paid my money so go out there and win every game or at least look like you will win every game.sing when we're winning?your damn right!'the players are on ridiculous money,so perform............it's a very sad that at the moment we seem to be of the latter at our home games as our home fans never used to have that mentality.
g. roberts testes
04/11/2012 14:13:00
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Fans pay good money so watching inept performances so many times this season is going to cause a reaction. AVB'S tactics are bewildering at times but were still in 5th with many key injuries, new system and losing our 3 best players in the summer. Levy and other board members who make decisions are the ones to blame. Replacing VDV and Modric with Siggy and Dempsey was always going to be a step back. With have a coach who has contacts in various parts of south america and all over europe and we buy an icelandic half a season wonder and a last minute desperate buy for an average american. Im not saying break the bank with high wages for the worlds best players, but surley those 2 players would not of been high up on AVB'S list especially as his scouting network is very impressive.
spurfect one
04/11/2012 14:15:00
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There is NEVER, EVER, a right to boo your own team. Absolutely disgraceful fans, if that's what they were, which I highly doubt, real Spurs fans have much more class and intelligence than that. There's never ever ever an excuse for booing our own squad, period, the end.
tengboon
04/11/2012 14:15:00
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Guyver, Arsenal no longer have RVP who carried them into top 4 last year in a single handed manner. How can they be a top 4 material or better than current Spurs team I wonder?
Moscovite
04/11/2012 14:18:00
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I will say that AVB seems hell bent on retaining shape and formation regardless of opposition. He seems to avoid 4-4-2 like the plague, when in fact in since Dembele's been out, 4-4-2 would have taken pressure off our defensive midfield, giving our healthy width )Lennon, Bale) much needed options. I think to get thru this injury crisis, AVB should have it in his locker to change up from a 4-2-3-1, especially last night.
tengboon
04/11/2012 14:19:00
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Ah well, I forgot they have got Wenger...
Moscovite
04/11/2012 14:20:00
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just reading through some of the 'tottenham v wigan' posts, some one wrote "it's the same across the entertainment industry".so if you go to the cinema or to watch a play and it didn't live up to expectations,do you boo?....who boo's after watching a crap movie?
g. roberts testes
04/11/2012 14:21:00
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its not as though the players don't know they are playing badly is it? they know losing to Wigan is atrocious, we don't need to remind them that. All we need to do is remind them that we will be with them through thick and thin and that we trust them on the field.
wiltshirespur
04/11/2012 14:21:00
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Plus can anyone think of any other club that has more senior Goalkeepers then Strikers? Our squad is so unbalanced. Hardley any quality cover for the wings yet an array of Midfielders who are similar in there style apart from Dembele. Major sugery needed to get the balance right.
spurfect one
04/11/2012 14:22:00
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We can troll out all the exuses we like, but let's look at the reality of the situation. In all competitions we have P15, W6, D5, L4. At home we have P7, W2, D3, L2. Away P8, W4, D2, L2. We are not yet through November and we have already dropped 10 out of 18 points in the PL a home. We have so far had the easiest start to a PL season in terms of fixtures for years, having already played the teams who were in the bottom 6 in our first 10 games. We have struggled in a soft group in the EL, and we have been dumped from the CC by a Norwich team showing 10 changes from their previous PL game, even in the games we have won, with the exception of the Villa game, we have scraped home, often more by luck than judgement. Yes we are 5th, I should think we are, given our fixtures, we should really be pushing the top 3, lets see where we are after our next 6 PL games v Man City, Arsenal, W.Ham,Liverpool, Fulham, and Everton. It's all very well to say "don't panic", but if things are not addressed, and significantly improved soon, we are in for a long hard season. Yes we have injuries but the players that are actually playing seem lack lustre and AVB's selections, substitutions, and tactics, seem baffling at times, not least to the players, who at times look lost, as though they don't understand what they are supposed to be doing, so sooner or later even the incurable optomists will have to pull their head out of the sand, and realise things are not exactly going to plan. It's all very well to pretend that there isn't a problem until Easter, but by then it is too late. The stats speak for themselves, they don't lie.
Frank
04/11/2012 14:26:00
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Look wiltshirespur, it is not for you or anybody else to tell other people how they should react. We are not flaming automatons. We don't just turn up and boo. At the start of games there is nothing but positivity. The reason they boo is a reaction to the events occurring on the pitch. There cannot and should not be a default emotion, one of simply cheering and clapping whatever the situation. If you want that, go and watch North Korea's Premier League. As for the consumer crap, well clubs for too long have played on the weakness of being a fan as you cannot, unless you are David Mellor, start supporting someone else, and they bloody well know it, and take advantage of it, and the fans. They'll always call us their supporters, but in reality we are consumers, but consumers with no choice. So it ain't crap. Trying to shut down dissent by calling it disloyalty is more egregious ****. However, given the way civil liberties are going, what with people arrested and sent to prison for calling people names these days, you may get your wish sometime soon, and there'll be signs up at WHL stating anyone who boos will be ejected.
lordjohnny
04/11/2012 14:26:00
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I think we need to panic a bit. We have been awful at home and all season long we have not played for more than 45 minute spells in games. On paper apart from Chelsea at home, all our other home games this season should have been 3 pointers. Yet in most of this games we have been lucky to get one point out of them. The chairman stitched up AVB to start with and Verts and Dembele, the rest of the signings have proved to be shockers. Ade needs to be a starter but needs to be match fit and Lloris needs games before either player can be judged, but Siggy and Dempsey look so far out of their depth it is not funny. So many of the recent signings have proved to be wide of the mark it is not funny. Who is responsible for signing this players. If it is Levy he needs to stand aside and get someone else in. Do we even have a chief scout now. The boos ringing round the lane are just, but more need to be directed at the board and chairman. AVB does not have a clue and I think our next home game he will be under real pressure as the way we are playing at the moment I can not see us beating Arsenal or City. At least both are away games. Yes it is a blow losing Kaboul, Benny, Parker, Dembele, etc but we were always being left short with so many players being sold recently. We need to be more positive at home and should have played two up top.
nothappyharry
04/11/2012 14:29:00
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@ spurfect, I accept your GK/Striker comment, but is that because we simply cant get rid of what we have due to the amount of cash we want or what they are currently earning. Who can comfortably afford Gomes, when he is on hefty wages and the club also want to recoup a good % of what the paid, whilst we know that both Friedel and Cudicini could or should be in their last seasons
oxfordspur
04/11/2012 14:30:00
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Lordjohnny, at the start of last nights game, you could hear a pin drop. Someone mentioned about loads of corporate tickets have been dished out by our board to the north London area, contract bonuses etc., so it seems that who knows how many non-fans are at the Lane, and of course there you have the boo boys. Maybe this is something that needs looking into
tengboon
04/11/2012 14:30:00
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i can understand the booing in certain circumstances but not after 10 league games and a couple of cup matches.thats what blackburn did and look what happened to them...if/when we get all our players back to match fitness,we don't get a few new signings in january,(which we clearly need),if bale leaves for real madrid in the summer and we don't replace him,if we're not playing to our new found potential,(remember where we were not too long ago....and no booing?),if/but etc...then maybe we have a right to boo...maybe...but maybe i'm just getting old...maybe?
g. roberts testes
04/11/2012 14:32:00
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And sorry, but I can't remember any time in the last 10 years that suddenly we deserve to be booed off the field at half. It's embarrassing on so many levels, and now I have to troll through every frickin media outlet that has pointed out the same thing. IT'S NOT WHAT FANS DO, we're not the fecking classless goons, ARE we!!!
tengboon
04/11/2012 14:33:00
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g. roberts testes, very good point on Blackburn's brilliant achievement last season, spurred on by the own fans booing!
ItalianYiddo
04/11/2012 14:39:00
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*sorry in there somewhere i was supposed to add "and we are still not playing well"...thought process was faster than my typing.
g. roberts testes
04/11/2012 14:39:00
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I have to read articles like this, which I thought were reserved for league 2 teams, or Emirates.....what the hell is going on at the Lane!!! http://www.sabotagetimes.com/football-sport/white-hart-lanes-rancid-atmosphere-needs-immediate-improvement/?
tengboon
04/11/2012 14:40:00
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Anyway where is the MOTM poll, so many candidates to choose from....still trying to decide
ItalianYiddo
04/11/2012 14:41:00
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Feel free to hurl tomatoes at your flatscreen if you don't approve of AVB's tactics, but if I was Wigan last night, away from home in the so-called fortress they call White Hart Lane, those boos would have added so much energy and confidence. Fans at home turf have a responsibility as the 12th man, I don't care how much you dished out. It's not stand-up comedy, it's your fecking TEAM for feck sakes!!! #vexedanddone
tengboon
04/11/2012 14:44:00
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Frank, we know its tough. For all the reasons stated over and over again (injuries to key players, modric/vdv sales, new manager/system etc etc). We knew it was going to be tough and it IS tough! We were NEVER going to IMMEDIATELY blow teams away like when we had King, Modric, Parker, VDV, a fit Ade running through the spine of the team. I don't know what people expected. We are where we are, rightly or wrongly. Now we have a choice - give the new regime our FULL support at games for a MINIMUM of a season (i would give them 3 seasons), look at the bigger picture and help to create a winning atmosphere. Or just say phuck Spurs and create a poisonous atmosphere conducive to one thing and one thing only - downwards and AVB being fired. Its a simple choice, my problem is there are too many morons at WHL on matchday choosing the latter.
StillRickyVilla
04/11/2012 14:45:00
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italianyiddo....i'm not saying 'blame the fans' but blackburn fans used to boo when they played well and lost.hardly a confidence builder is it....and in all walks and situations in life we do all fell better about ourselves if our confidence is up.say what you will about harry but when he was fully on board was very good at this....no i don't want him back.
g. roberts testes
04/11/2012 14:50:00
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Blackburn's demisewas brought about by players under performing, a manager who was clueless, and owners who didn't understand the vagaries of owning and running a footall club. Bloody hell I have just described Spurs at the moment without realising it.
Frank
04/11/2012 14:51:00
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The fans have been the 12th man this season, for the opposition. Just a coincidence that we are better away?
ItalianYiddo
04/11/2012 14:57:00
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LJ sorry, there has been positivity at the beginnings of games at the lane this season??? I haven't seen it! and I've been to almost every game! The difference between our fans at the Newcastle game and our fans at the west brom game the week after was staggering, the lane is a library currently, and you people are supporting it??? The booing would be fine if the fans had been performing up to par for the rest of the game, but the people booing seem to show no positive support whatsoever, and delight in booing their own team. We do NOT have to force people to show passion for their team, our away fans week in week out show that there are large number of fans who want to SUPPORT their team, not to hinder it. If someone is harming the teams performance and confidence, then in my opinion, they are not true supporters, that is my opinion and I'm sorry if you do not agree. The atmosphere at the Lane is dying and something has to be done, you can sit and accept it but I will not.
wiltshirespur
04/11/2012 14:57:00
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Blimey, Blackburn went down because of their fans. That's a relief for the players then. And, all you posters on here who are giving critics a hard time, I thought you only had one reaction, and that was clapping and cheering? Surely it is axiomatic to big us up as well, as we are part of it all. Think how wrong-footed that would make us, if you cheered the booers. I'd love to be in your world, of endless positivism, irrespective of the reality. By the way, the panto season's coming up, so if I'm not mistaken, when there's whooping and clapping when the Wicked Witch comes on stage, I'll know who it is.
lordjohnny
04/11/2012 14:58:00
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frank...did booing help?
g. roberts testes
04/11/2012 14:59:00
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exactly italianyiddo.
wiltshirespur
04/11/2012 15:00:00
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spurfect- i get the impression levy looked at AVBs list, said "yea right" and threw it in the bin. this window will show how much ambition ENIC have.We know what positions need strengthening. will levy. im not so sure.
topspur53
04/11/2012 15:06:00
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*sorry...does
g. roberts testes
04/11/2012 15:06:00
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Agree frank,the problems need addressed now.10 games in and the players are still lost.tought by now the players would know their jobs and positions but unfortunately this does not seemed to be happening!the players are really starting to look like headless chickens more and more.the opposing manager in our dug out we would have won this game.sack avb?
Little spur
04/11/2012 15:06:00
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its not positivity LordJohnny, it is traditional, old fashioned support, there is a difference. I am among the most cynical of spurs fans, I am negative at the best of times, but a football match is a unique and special occasion full of atmosphere and passion but expectation and lack of support are ruining that at the Lane. Look, the fact is, support is good for the team, booing is bad and destroys confidence, harming the teams performance - therefore it is bad and I am vehemently against it being done by so called 'supporters' of our club.
wiltshirespur
04/11/2012 15:07:00
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Is this what some of you meant at the start of theseason about having to go backwards, before we go forward, how far backwards did you have in mind. We must be the only club in football to decide that having finished 4th, 5th, and 4th, we had better have a seed change and have a go at finishing 10th, 11th or 12th, and to assist in that, we will sack our maager, sell our best players, and appoint a dodgy coach, who had got the hard word after about 5 minutes from his only other PL job, and to make sure we avoid buying any players likely to improve the team. It is a fact we are so lucky to have Daniel Levy, who I am reminded is not a bean counter, as I have been wrongly describing him, my mistake. Apparently his degree is in land management, so presumably he is a gardener.
Frank
04/11/2012 15:11:00
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The bottom line is the fans DO have a MASSIVE impact on the performance of the team. If people think moaning, criticising, booing the players during the game is HELPING the cause they need a mental check-up. People also need their head examining if they think creating a fantastic, intimidating wall of noise at WHL doesn't motivate the players to play above themselves. Its just human nature.
StillRickyVilla
04/11/2012 15:15:00
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Frank, i agree with you re.ENIC but get a grip! Don't start this rose-glinted view of the HR era. I won't even go into all the well-versed long-term problems he was taking us down. This season we have a team hot-potched together because of injuries and player sales & downgrades (FFS our central midfield is now Hudd and Siggy - last year it was Modric and Parker!) - HR would be faring no better with this team. At least AVB has a long-term plan (not that he'll be allowed to carry it out mind).
StillRickyVilla
04/11/2012 15:21:00
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We also had an atmosphere that would intimidate the opposition, wasnt quite Galatasary level, but it was solid support. Not sure what's happened this season, but when its dead before the match has even started, its a little worrying. Before the match against Wigan i thought there was a minute silence for an old Spurs legend who'd passed away, it was so quiet.
Guyver
04/11/2012 15:25:00
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Not having been to WHL since the days of 54,000 gates when your feet might not even touch the ground on the shelf - I feel loathe to criticise those who do make the effort to go and spend their hard earned cash for the club. But I can't ever recall people booing the team even when we got relegated - so personally, I just find the whole booing thing completely embarressing and never thought I'd see it from Spurs fans. Didn't see the match yesterday as I was driving back from Cardiff - I'm sure it was ***** and frustrating - but the clues to me seem to lie in the fact that all our DM's were out. I'd probably have shift superJan into the middle - but there might have been a good reason not to. The pressure at home games seems to have got weird to me. I reckon they'll be up for it at the gooner match. COYS!
DocHotspurs
04/11/2012 15:54:00
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Please don't believe that the Januarytransfer window will be different from any others, we will be linked with the usual big names that are so clearly out of our range and which Levy has no intention of getting (as wil be evidenced by the usual insulting bids) and we will end up with the usual last minute cheap bargains which will not fit AVB's plans. This is Levys policy and it will never be any different
jonathan01
04/11/2012 16:16:00
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SRV-I am sorry we are on opposite sides in this debate, as we are normally in unison about how disgracefully the club has been run by this shower of ****s ENIC and their complete inability to move the club forward and do everything on the cheap, and in turn little for the name of the club, having upset everyone they deal with, whether local or national government, never mind other clubs. All this debate over booing in symptomatic of ENIC's tenure in charge, and a lack of definition in any important area of the club. What is surprising is there are still so many apologists for them not just in the wider media, but among supporters. I would respectfully contend that people who turn up and boo, for these are obviously in the majority as yesterday proved, really do care about the club. If they were indifferent they would just clap politely whatever happened (does that sound familiar?- Clue-That club is not so far away, geographically). I would agree that singling out players for abuse is slightly beyond the pale, but democratic inclusive booing of a poor team performance is the only ammunition we have these days to show our discontent directly to those who are in a position to change matters. Finally, we are always asking why the likes of Man Utd seem to have the mental strength to withstand season after season of high pressure matches, and come out with trophies on a regular basis, and I would contend it is the ability to deal with pressure better than others, and I am afraid our players are in that 'other' camp, and perhaps, long term, a little pressure from those who really want them to do well, might be no bad thing.
lordjohnny
04/11/2012 16:18:00
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Ox. i agree the wages are a problem with our senior gk's. We need a young and hungry gk to cover for Lloris next season. Thats the way i think our Goalkeeping set up should be. Topspur53, for me Levy took his biggest ever gamble in replacing harry with AVB so he must in future windows support what AVB is trying to do not buy cheap last minute deals like dempsey.
spurfect one
04/11/2012 16:27:00
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