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Adebayor: The saviour of Tottenham Hotspur!

Hardly words that would usually be associated with Emmanuel during his career, but for the next few weeks, I wonder if it could well be true.

Before you stop reading this for laughing or thinking I have lost my mind, just wait and read a little more. Our next three games are against Maribor, Man City and Arsenal, with our two domestic oppositions sure to spark Adebayor into life, like no other. Take the Europa game and it could well be a game that he feels he has to perform to justify a start in the league games and a fit and fired up Adebayor can be unplayable. Just what Spurs need to reignite the fire in the whole clubs belly.

Assuming he doesn't go down with another bug or pull something painful, I would be shocked to see Adebayor not start on Thursday and could this be a game where he see's an additional supply from Iago Falque, another player with a point to prove and who knows, his physical presence may well bring the best out of either Dempsey or Sigurdsson, who have both looked a little lost so far in their Spurs career's and maybe the addition of a target man to hold the ball up and naturally look to bring others into play, will be just what they need to find their own form and confidence.

Whatever Wenger or Mancini will think of Jermain Defoe, they will also know that facing the prospect of Emmanuel Adebayor in the mood for revenge is a prospect to bring fear to any defensive line and what would a win on Thursday and at least 4 points from City and Arsenal do for the morale amongst the Spurs faithful and also the confidence in the team as a whole?

To hail him a saviour before he has started a single game this season might be premature or even stupid, but when you think about it and look at the opposition we face in the next three games and would you really want any other striker to be spearheading your attack in the next three games? Long term saviour, probably not, but a saviour of our season and short term health, I have a feeling that Emmanuel will be chomping at the bit to prove a few people wrong, settle a few scores and re-establish himself as a first choice striker at the same time...

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Writer: OxfordSpur

Date:Monday November 5 2012

Time: 1:29PM

Your Comments

You could well be right. It would not surprise me if AVB is building up to this too. He probably has thought about it...

TonyRich

I really want him to have a run in the next month or so as to see if one up front really works for us. Thursday will be interesting as i also hope the GK is also changed and that Lloris is also given the next month to cement his place in the starting lineup. or I feel january will be a very long month with these 2 players having alot of press about leaving

whitechina

No laughing need to be done. Adebayor is a yid, a yid we should be starting up front or being put on the pitch next to one of the other strikers we have. AVB needs time to use this squad and settle etc... but now Ade is back he has one more option than he had before (an obvious one as well). Come Jan we might be in a position to strengthen our options up top but even then that is a maybe. COYS.

SpursOne2

you would assume that Lloris will start thursday, but I feel that only a breathtaking display will see him in goal against City, rightly or wrongly. Friedel's performance was interesting on saturday as he made a few saves that kept us in the game, but was perhaps guilty of not doing enough for their goal.

oxfordspur

Let's Hope so. The Maribor game is more of a worry as we're playing at home and need to win to stay in so there will be huge pressure. If we get the usual Thursday night crowd, we're going to need an early goal to breathe any life into them! At least for the away games, expectation will be lower, but there'll be a better atmosphere. COYS

ParkLane67

Dawson, Naughton, Lloris, Adebayor, Falque and maybe a few others, have to be prepared to step up and make a performance that demands they are picked for prem games. though I feel that AVB has made a decision on a few already, you feel that injuries and the form of a few regulars might make him think again if they produce enough quality on thursday, Adebayor is probably the best example

oxfordspur

ox the saves friedel made saturday were shots str8 at him! bread & butter stuff for any keeper, certainly nothing spectacular, the goal wigan scored should've been tipped over the bar not punched out under pressure, for a goalie friedel doesn't show a lot of courage under pressure, he stays rooted to his line, so this being the case why doesn't get the full backs on the posts? modric was always covering the post yet now he's gone noone does. lloris commands his box better and comes out to claim cross's therefore negating the second ball, that's the difference between a good goalie and a great goalie imo.

jabbatheyid

I don't think anything is certain for Thursday's game as it's must win situation for us to progress top of the group. It's been said we really want to win this competition (we're out of the League Cup- another we wanted to do well in) so I would like a shake up with Lloris, Ade and Falque all starting. Have Naughton LB Verts CD and maybe rest Walker if someone is fit at RB?

whitechina

Yes Ox, but look at most of the saves he made, if not all of them... they were all aimed straight at him, it would have been harder for him to dive out of the way than to stop them.

olliewebb

I second jabbatheyid there

olliewebb

Ade needs minutes to shake off the rust, I hope he starts against Maribor. Would be unfair to throw him in against Man City or Arsenal and expect him to perform at his best.

Guyver

Would you call me crazy by playing Ade in the midfield behind Defoe ?? A 4-2-3-1 with Sandro and Hudd (2) / Lennon - Ade - Bale (3) / Defoe (1). I think he can play a better part than Dempsey. But, I might be wrong, of course...

AlexSpur

I dont disagree re Friedel's saves, and we would be moaning if he didn't get them, but the facts are he did. question is whether his perceived mistake for the goal will be enough to give Lloris the start beyond thursday? personally I would go with our Frenchman, as he is the long term option in a 50/50 issue

oxfordspur

Totally with you there Alex, have thought of that idea for quite a while too

special too

Friedels saves looked easier to save than to let imo .

I also hope we start going 4-4-2 with Adebayor & defoe together .
And also please stop this changing of wings between Bale & lennon ,it`s pants .
Hugo Lloris
Walker,Caulker,Vertonghen,Naughton
Lennon,Sandro,Dembele,Bale,
Defoe ,Adebayor .
That`s the team i hope to see against City on Sunday ,fight fire with fire .Please Sandro & Dembele be fit & Kaboul we miss ya .

big cockeral

Dempsey doesn't look creative (or even having any awareness when on the ball) enough for the role at the moment. Would love to give him a chance though, may be in other positions, but sticking Ade in that AMC role would make a huge difference I think.

special too

jabba - I would not blame the keeper for not having players on the posts - UNLESS he is not doing as directed...which I doubt. How we lineup at set-pieces is down to the manager. We still have not seen enough of Lloris to say that he is definitely better in the English game. It is as simple as that. I am not saying that he should not be playing. I just find it wierd that people are picking holes so much in Friedel's performance and trying so hard to "big-up" Lloris's solitary TWO apps vs English opposition - where BOTH games had goalie lapses. If you want to pick holes in something, then pick them in AVB's approach. Why buy the French no.1 keeper and captain and not play him? Why mix and match - i.e. not keep one keeper for cups and the other for league? If you are NOT going to play Lloris, then why break Friedel's appearance record for seemingly no reason? Just pick one!

TonyRich

Alex, I have said the same myself on several occasions and we only have to look at his performance when played off of Saha against newcastle at WHL last season, he was everywhere and was brilliant

oxfordspur

I can see people's frustration Defoe coming off for Ade. If you are going to play poorly, you may as well say "sod it" and bring on some attacking players and hope that it may spark something. You may still lose, or play even worse - but at least you gave it a shot rather than just petering out. People (for some reason) have been calling AVB a tactical genius, but all we have seen so far are like-for-like changes, or weak attempts to close game out (far too early) by bringing on Livermore or Hudd. You can only be a tactical genius when your tactics have proven to have worked across a number of years, clubs and countries...

TonyRich

Ok, so a fit and firing Adebayor ''the power horse'' he offers something far removed from Defoe, he brings others into play, yes Defoe made a reverse pass to Bale, who's shot made way for Dempsey to score at Old Trafford and go 3-1 up, but is that not the one and only time? With Defoe up front the options of even putting in a cross are limited, because his not going to win headers in the box, so our pattern of play changes with Ade, he can win a ball in the air, his good on the ground, sometimes his first touch lets him down, but watching other players in the prem, his not alone, it's not all about Ade, it's a team game, everyone has to up the anti, is it fatigue kicking in, was that the problem on saturday, we never got out of first gear, we have been playing every three days on average and the injuries are mounting up, perhaps getting 3pts from both our europa home games and a point or all 3 at lazio, will give us the breathing space needed. But the Prem League games will keep coming, the problem comes if we do nothing in this coming transfer window, because if Ade goes with Togo for the ANC (jan/feb) we will once again be down to just One Striker and Dempsey as the next option, The saviour of Tottenham Hotspur! comes the day we finally wake up and the signing Leandro.

spu 4 life

we really have to swap out friedel and gallas now. Brad is great but there is no room for sentiment in this game. He should play the europa games and lloris the premier league ones. As for Gallas, how he is first choice is beyond me. Him out for Dawson or Vertonghen, then Naughton at left back. However we should all prepare for the worst here. Realistically can we expect anything from two of the most difficult away games there are in the country. Answer = No.

jimmy-yid

Who appart from Defoe himself thinks he is great. He should be a team player and not take a huff/strop when subsituted. Maybe Harry was right to keep him on the bench.

camper

If you listen to AVB's post match interview he clearly justifies the decision to take Defoe off. Defoe was dreadful and unlike some on here who believe he is a decent striker, I yet again have the luxury of being proves right AGAIN! :-) All I read is nonsense about playing the bottom 6 teams etc... And now remind me how many goals the talented striker of ours has? 5, against the Shi$e (apparently) so what will he do against the top teams. Let me tell you, he'll be subbed for being woeful and selfish. AVB need to start playing the strongest team available and that DOESN'T include Defoe. If AVB sticks with Defoe then AVB will be sacked before the end of the season which I for one wouldn't like to see. Come on AVB, show some balls and do whats right for the team (and your head!!!)

yiddyboy

Hope your right ox!

Little spur

Any news on Sandro's injury?

woodyn17

Defoe's become the new Jenas for me. Adebayor 's huge for us. Can't believe he could be going to the ACN, what a joke that would be.

ledders77

time to find out how exceptional lloris is...i.e..vs maribor and possibly man.city. Friedel only has himself to blame if he is dropped. Ie....he has shown the opposition his weakness's. First rule of adult life..is to look after yourself......yet friedel did not put a spurs man between himself and kone, for the wigan corner. He has other weakness's, as noted by others. Shame cos' he has been good to great for spurs.......but now it's lloris's time to step up, for me.

82spursdebut

TonyRich, although i don't like your constant negative sniping at AVB (give the man a chance to get his injured key players back and a couple of his chosen signings bedded in before laying in to him) however i do agree with your point re.tactics. If were having a problem with Wigan's system, then why not change things DURING the game to solve that? Why not go up against them like-for-like? There was nothing to lose. And i'm not an expert on Wigan FC, but has Martinez not being playing that system all season in which case our home-work should have uncovered any potential problems?

StillRickyVilla

adebayor and defoe vs maribor for me. Obika for the bench.

82spursdebut

Whoever is selected to play against Maribor needs to put in a decent display. I think a few of the players who are in our starting 11 are only there as AVB doesn’t really have many options at the moment. When we have a full squad it will be interesting to see if he keeps playing players who are performing badly. It is refreshing to see players like Falque getting more minutes, and are genuinely pushing for a starting place, but again, will this be the case when we have a full squad. Personally he’d be in my squad over Dempsey and siggurdson based on performances. Defoe was a disgrace on Saturday for walking down the tunnel. Yes he may have done it because he knew he played **** and was upset with himself, but if that’s the case, come out and apologise, he is not good enough to have an attitude
br>ADE will have a big part to play this season, and I think it may start with Maribor assuming AVB wants to risk him for 90mins. Although we really need a win, we cant risk Bale. We need him fresh for city if we have any hope. Id play Lennon and Falque on the wings, id also have Cellebos on the bench as he has apparently looked amazing for the youth team. It couldn’t hurt giving him 20minutes IF we were a few up?

hudderspur

yes agree with hoping to see falque and cellabos given more playing time. If possible....i.e..when we are 2-0 up. I'd like to cellabos....as i'm not convinced on carroll.

82spursdebut

TonyRich - I wouldn't call subbing Defoe for ADE a "like for like change" as you put it. Both strikers - yes. Like for like - hardly. In any case if he wanted to put Ade on then Defoe off was the correct decision. He hadn't touched the ball more than half dozen times and when he did he didn't do anything with it. Not one single shot at goal. Dempsey on the other hand, although not brilliant, had been much more involved in the game than Defoe had. No contest as to who to take off.

Hot_Spur

At home, as foreign as it might be to AVB, we should go 4-4-2, it suits our squad, the players understand it, and at least it shows an attacking intent. In this system perhaps Defoe, and Adebayor, could play together, at least give it a go, Dempsey looks off the pace, and Sigurdson is not uprooting any trees. It's no good trying to play a system that suits players you wish you had, better to play how it suits what you've got, we haven't, and are extremely unlikely to get, Moutinho, so the sooner AVB realises and understands that, the better for everybody. So come on let's at least look as though we want to win, and stop their keeper falling asleep, as Wigan's nearly did on Saturday.

Frank

82spursdebut - I understand your sentiment, (when we are 2-0 up) but on recent performance even 2-0 up is far from safe !!

Hot_Spur

lol..i did write 3-0 at first but thought that might give falque and cellabos 5 mins'..lol

82spursdebut

Come on for Christ's sake, surely we can see Mirabor off comfortably, they would stuggle to get into the PL in England.

Frank

for me...4,4,1,1,,,is the best footballing system...... control the midfield and pin the oppostion back in their own box.......... and quickly reverts to 4,5,1 in defence....that's if you have the right players at your disposal.

82spursdebut

How about the old fashioned 2-3-5 formation. It might catch a few teams out before the figured out how to deal with it. :-)

Hot_Spur

Bloody hell you're showing your age there Hot Spur,but I do think that the modern game with it's systems, and formations et. has been made needlessly complicated by coaches. Good players in their preferred positions, playing well, and scoring more goals than the opposition, thats the best system.

Frank

Hi Frank, been a spurs supporter since 1955 mate. Seen 'em all. The old 2-3-5 was about attack and scoring goals which is how it should be, all this emphasis on defence is bollox.

Hot_Spur

Absolutely right Hot Spur, but of course us old buggers don't know what we are talking about.

Frank

oxfordspur Friedel's performance was interesting on saturday as he made a few saves that kept us in the game, but was perhaps guilty of not doing enough for their goal. Interesting you should put it like that. Imagine if it had been Gomez who had done that how many people on here would be that polite about it?

chrishove123

Over the years, all the Brazilian teams I've seen, some outstanding, some good and some not so good but they all had one thing in common - emphasis on attack. That's how the game should be played and that's why everybody loves to watch Brazil.

Hot_Spur

jabbatheyid Friedel didn't even punch it, he flapped and palmed it. If he had punched it properly he may well have cleared it enough for the goal not to have happened.

chrishove123

OMG- 2-3-5 only in those days long long ago, no not ''during the war'' we had players who could score bloody goals 1960-61 team, I look back at those times as well only as a kid, maybe I'm still a big kid, some say that's true, seeing spurs vs chelsea 1967 cup final, Jennings, Kinnear, Knowles, Mullery, England, Mackay, Robertson, Greaves, Gilzean, Venables, Saul, Sub Cliff Jones. Jimmy Greaves in my eyes the greatest goalscorer of all time and my idol, what we would give to find a player like that again, how much would he cost these days, Bill Nick got him for £99.000, he would cost 80m in todays market IMO.

spu 4 life

In the 1961/62 team, Bobby Smith and Les Allen scored goals for fun. Then when Greaves arrived he scored for fun. Any of those 3 would be welcome right now.

Hot_Spur

Any of those three with Jennings in goal and Mike England in front of him.

chrishove123

irectly the ball was swinging in Friedel should have got close to one of them an gone straight down like a ton of $hit, every ref will imediately give a foul on the keeper.

Frank

Hot Spur we will probably never again see teams like we had in the 60s at Spurs. John White the best player I have ever seen in a Spurs shirt, even better than Hoddle and Gasgoine and that is saying something, and as you say Greaves, and Smithy, although he wouldn't have stayed on the pitch 10 minutes these days, neither would Dave Mackay, another true Spurs legend.

Frank

As it's a home game on Thursday, why not put Freidel in goal freeing up the Frenchman for the weekend. Of course I'm sure Lloris is able to cope with two games in a few days (if the outfield players manage it surely a keeper can), but having Freidel paying on Thursday allows both keepers to keep match fit

In-spurs-ational

On Saturday we were looking to consolidate 4th place. Two days later, with West Brom winning, we are 6th....with Fulham and West Ham even closer!!. AVB, best get our act together.....soon!

Critical_Spur

it would of been a lot easier if we lost to man utd, cause from that game , theyy have done well in europe an beating chelsea in the league an now arsenal, ad what have we done, simple nothing, AVB has as bad as tactics as harry has had but ppl on here are afraid to say it, incase u upset "the cool gang on here"

123spurs

Frank so you thinkcheating our way to cup and premiershp wins as well as the Prem championship and even winning the Champion's League by cheating and diving to get the pen/free kick is OK? even if it is against us, because if we do it to other teams they will do it back to us, SPURS has a reputation and history of playing fair,Look at how many people on here have had a go at Bale for his Tom Daley impersonations. Not many (if any) are impressed with his display of diving, if it isn't right for an outfield player then it's not OK for a 'keeper. I'd rather lose clean than win dirty to be honest cz winning dirty has no honour and we are an honourable team with honourable (if not fickle) supporters.

chrishove123

we started in 4th, so its our to loose, look at west spam who got relagated, and so close to us who havent spent a fraction of what we have an can , maybe we should get relagated and if might wake us up

123spurs

It's going to be a slippery slope. On paper our squad looks pretty good, but with players out injured and getting match fit which could take another 3 games once they return. mid-December by the time we have a squad playing decent football. Ade may be playing at his best by then only to leave and play in the African Nations Cups? Levy better dig deep in Jan or we're finishing below mid-table come May.

mountainyid

alright everyone. hope you are all well. i havent posted in a while. but back to spurs an i think theres a massive overreaction. i get worried when bad things happen and a manager cant see it. but AVB said we were awful in every way and we must do better, hopefully making Wigan a one off. a lot of people have had a go at defoe but from what i can see he made the right decision. i heard defoe was shocking, and so was dempsey tbf. but dempsey is a better team player than defoe and is equally capable of scoring a goal, but more capable of setting one up. where is the argument??? plus dempsey will help the midfield when needed. we are doing well considering the injuries to arguably our most important players, and also the players are still gettting used to a very different style from avb. ANNND considering AVB didnt get the players he really wanted. relax. we are doing well. we beat United away from home!!!

BrooksySpurs

AVB needs to get a defensive coach

MrSpurs

very upbeat brooksy...I hope Wigan was just a blip. By the way it wasn't just Defoe who was shocking! Need players back from injury fast and Ade needs to get up to speed. Okay. I'm off, need to settle down with the missus for the evening.

mountainyid

Sorry brooksy, as much as I want to be positive thinking, I can't see any miracles occurring this side of x-mas. In any sport or for that matter, any part of life, momentum and confidence are the key. This season (regardless of the reasons) we have relied on luck....and it had to come to an end. Consider this: 1)The injury list is not getting shorter, with seemingly Sandro joining the ill fated group. 2) We have had our easier run of fixtures, 3) Nov and Dec are tough runs, 4) we are already 6th and and slipping, 4) The team shows no sign of cohesion, drive, leadership. Once we become mid-table (which I fear will be x-mas) that will be one hell of a rut to climb out of. These players can't seem to climb out of a mini dip, how will they overcome a new MENTAL challenge.

Call me whatever one wants to call me, but Come January transfer window it would be too late to invest for a recovery imo. We couldn't attract (didn't buy) anyone when in CL, we haven't strengthened to help AVB, so what chance have we of attracting worthy additions at mid-table.

I am resigned to seeing this project as a FEW steps back and one forward. Those that think we are serious contenders for 4th imo are being disrespectful to the likes of Everton, Arsenal, WBA,.....we may even be looking at fighting with Fulham and 'pool for EL position.

Like many old timers here, I have supported my team since 1969 and will do so for the rest of my life and will go and watch them when they are in the northwest. But due to the circumstances surrounding the team/club, my optimism for the season is no longer as high as it was back in August. Still COYS!

Critical_Spur

Back in August when it became clear we missed getting Moutinho I said then that we will miss Modric hugely and without him we will be very lucky to finish 6th in the PL. I got slated for "being so negative" although it was being negative it was being realistic. There were comments such as "We will be fine, our squad is easily top four" and "We don't need rat face" and "Hudd can do what Modric does" (LOL), well maybe now those people can see how much we miss Modric. There is probably only one player on this planet that could FULLY fill the Modric role, and he is playing for Barcelona. You cannot take such a talent out of any team and not miss him. Moutinho would not fully compensate for Modric but he would have gone a fair way towards it.

Hot_Spur

* it wasn't being negative *

Hot_Spur

you could well be right critical_spur but the team has often shown drive and cohesion and a will to win. getting back into the chelsea game for a while being an example. the united game in the first half an then the second where we had to defend for our lives. at the moment we are often very good one half, then sublime the other. we need to find that mix. and in terms of our upcoming games. arsenal are probably the worst arsenal side we have seen for a long long while. man city will probably beat us but they havent been convincing. im not just some over expectant biased fan, when its wrong i will say its wrong. like the norwich game was simply wrong. but the players have a big part to play as well. too much is said on the manager. an i dont care what team you are, losingg ur best three cms, ur best cb from last year, ur left back all through injury, not to mention the likes of modric vdv an ledders leaving, its going to take its toll. i believe we are two players short an i think avb knows that but those players werent given to him. granted you have to get on with that but all these things add up and take its toll. an to be as high as we are at this moment in time i would say is commendable. if we can maintain it till xmas then i feel we have a real chance of top four.

BrooksySpurs

we have a great squad of players, bu we lack winning mentailty, who picks up the pieces when we fall behind =no boybody, leaders? bad boy? ruthless?defend what u have have = we bottle it. every time

123spurs

brooksy, yes, I accept we have been good in PATCHES.....just that. But seriously though, regardless of the circumstances, has anyone seen any positive trend emerging from the first 11 games of the season?,,,,there should've been, but I can't put my finger on it. In fact some players' perormances have actually gone backwads!. A slap dash, directionless performance todate. Let's see what end of November brings, but I will be keeping everything crossed!. BTW, i have said all along that if we were taking EL seriously, we should've put the qualification to bed by now. Instead we have to play our best in the remaining matches and risk fatigue and injuries to try and make that happen. With a depleted squad not sure what our aspirations really are for this season. Right now I'd take any CUP as an achievement. 4th imo will be a bridge too far. Hope the lads feed me the humble pie!

Critical_Spur

123spurs We have done for well over thirty years now

chrishove123

Fridel is getting a hard time for what reason? Do you not remember earlier this season that Fridel has actually saved us a few extra points that we may not have. I will agree that Lloris is better but he is also a sure thing for our future and a near future indeed. I think it would be unfair to strip Fridel of his spot at this point in time when he has not put in a bad foot and we all know that Lloris will get his shot this year at some point in time because he will be our number 1 next year but at this point in time Fridel has been great.

RagingSpur

It's hard for me to defend Defoe because I am not his fan. He may be scoring but is he making this team a better team? I personally don't believe so and he isn't making the best of Lennon and Bale also he isn't helping Clint in any way with linking up. The fast we make Ade our starter the better this team will be able to control games because he can at the very least hold play up something we could even manage to do so against Wigan at home. I am highly disappointed to see a single striker though each time at home vs even the weak sides. AVB has that weakness and he is stuck in the 4231 regardless of home or away matches which would be more than fine if we had a striker who was capable of bagging goals and holding the play up but I am dumbfound when we are down we take off as striker to put another one on and we are in need of 2 goals! I would say most of you would feel the same about this.

RagingSpur

I want to see us take Europa seriously because we are knocked out of the Cup already! Otherwise we have wasted starting strong teams in both competitions and still aren not rotating this team where it will hurt us at the end of the year like we were hurt under HR last season.

RagingSpur

I am quiet surprised in AVB's tactics because I thought he would have brought something new to this table instead its the same type of play regardless of the opponent! It works on the road and its not working at home. I understand you can't play pretty every week and with AVB I thought he would find a way to win these games but he has yet to prove that he can. It's not about playing pretty always its about grinding out results because in football you have to win games and most of all at home which we have been far from successful thus far. I understand we dont have VdV or Modric but this is Wigan at home! They won because of tactics they never had such talents on there teams and whether or not the likes of Hudd and co. are good enough the starting 11 is something that they can only dream of. We have been tactically beat in the Cup and in Europa all year long and now we are also not able to hold our own at home. It's not all doom and gloom and don't make me seem to be the bad guy here because I am not trying to be that but these kind of results are unacceptable with or without some of our best players. We are not playing the best teams week in and out we are dropping points in games where we need to win them.

RagingSpur

I'm confident that Ceballos can fit in as a true Playmaker. He'd at least have more command than Tom Carroll, and would orchestrate our attacks with more determination. From his days as a child star at Barcelona he knows he is talented and thus capable. It's a plus that this kid's a hard worker too and hopefully AVB is willing to risk him giving him a starting place in our team against Maribor.

dcruzer

\............................Lloris........................... \\\....Naughton...Gallas...Caulker..Verthongen.. \\\\....Lennon....Ceballos....Sandro.....Bale........ \\\\\........................Falque............................. \\\\\\.....................Adebayor............................

dcruzer

\............................Lloris........................... \\\....Naughton...Gallas...Caulker..Verthongen.. \\\\....Falque.....Ceballos....Sandro.....Bale........ \\\\\.......................Pritchard........................... \\\\\\.....................Adebayor............................

dcruzer

RS fridel is the new harry scape goat. cant fault him look at saves he made to get us our win against man utd, and then every praised Lloris against villa an he had nothing to do. 123 we have done well for over 30 years, lol do you remember, when we were midtable for years or shall i get u a link.

123spurs

walker should not be playing simple as and if a manager cant see that then thats hes choice as if i played like walker this season id be on the bench @ school boys soccer level.

123spurs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2228368/Tottenham-consider-bid-Andy-Carroll.html

logos8

Raging... I agree with your post ... not often I say that!!...... OX.. I hope to see Ade get on the Maribor game goals scored and show he is on way back. Yes the Man City game is going to be a motivation for him, then Mr Whingers team... lets hope spurs get max points from these three games, and AVB has learned from the last 3 losing games on tactical formations and subs. COYS

Block D Spurs

It is clearly time to rest defoe the goals are slowing up, which happens every season with him. Yes the substitution was wrong but his attitude sums up his general play on the pitch..............shoot on sight, look after number 1 first!! He is not a target man we need if we play one up. He will score as many goals per season coming of the bench after 70 minutes to starting every game as he has up to now.

WestStandEnclosure

Yes, Defoe is best as impact sub.. last season he was best in PL.... AVB has to deal with him.. a bit of "harry's man management" and explain his team contribution... As long as JD understands he is the best in PL this position, we will get goals and his confidence up, start him in some games, when form or injury or opposition requires it..

Block D Spurs

To those criticising AVB for subbing Defoe for Ade and think he should have subbed Dempsey instead, I suggest you watch a replay of the game and pay very careful attention to both Defoe and Dempsey. If you have any understanding of football at all, you will see why AVB took Defoe off and not Dempsey.

Hot_Spur

Defoe will probably still start the next games up top by himself regardless. I don't think there was any intention for our coach to make Ade number 1 or a starter anytime soon. He’s back from injury and should be playing imo but needs match sharpness etc. He will be off to the ANC soon...I'm not sure what’s going to happen with him this season. Brad is still number 1 also, instead of us easing Lloris into the role this season, I have a feeling games will be split, Brad getting favour in the PL. That's just how it is I think. Defoe needs to have his best season ever, same as Brad really. I’m going to try and get behind them some more but I’m still hoping AVB uses our target man (at least with them) sometime soon. The whole team needs keep working hard. COYS.

SpursOne2

Think AVB is shwoing a serious lack of expierience in tactical choices both in formation and squad rotation, I hate the system he's using and i think the team are starting to ask questions of his ability. At his age, with his expierience it wont take much for a squad revolt, i'm also sick about hearing this new dawn crap, we assembled one of the best midfields in Europe at one point being talked about as title challengers. Why oh why did we need a new dawn, a new direction, why have we completely written off everything that was laid down over the last 4-5 years in favour of "rolling the dice" with AVB. 1 system home and away will not work, we are not Barcelona who can afford to do that, any manager who has seen the system we use being beat both home and away will realise what they need to do to take points off us. Over the course of the season that could be the difference between Champions league and Europa league. Ridiculous. Play Adeybayior with Defoe keeping Lennon and Bale wide, it not bleedin rocket science. (went off on one a bit)

coys1717

NOOOOOOO!!!! Andy Carroll means Plan B = Lump It!

It'll be Pepperami Lite, do we really want THAT again?

Spuds-U-Like

Carroll,LOL that will move us forward, buying a Liverpool reject. Papertrash

coys1717

spot on coys1717. i did not want AVB, i think harry had to go but levy had no plan in place when he sacked him. all the doubts some of us has about AVB look to be about to come back to haunt us. i dont think the players are really buying in to his ideas.levy hung him out to dry in my opinion. it looks like he had little say in the players he got in.i feel he is far too negative in his approach at times.I have my doubts about the standard of players we will bring in, if any.this is not being negative, its just my honest opinion. why sit £12 mil on bench? Does AVB wont to really play ade?Andy Carroll idea ,just the media having a laugh spud.we have to back AVB but will Levy.Yes we have players injured (dont we always ) but the lack of heart worries me, another poor display thursday or sunday could really see the wheels falling off.

topspur53

Correct about Levy as well Topspur53, ive always supported him in moving the club forward, but he seems to be lacking the metal to buy in the right replacements Dempsey is a good player, Van der vaart was a great player (even if he could only last 65 mins). For example. Ive seen to many Ramos, Santini and Gross's come through our door if AVB turns out to be another one then I think Levy's position is going to come under serious scrutiny.

coys1717

Trouble is TS53 Spurs have previous with stories like this. We all know its likely to be BS, but equally, we all wouldn't be surprised if it happened!

Spuds-U-Like

This Andy Carroll rumour must have been started by Dawson, he's the only one who would benefit as he could continue punting the ball up field for the big man!!

yiddyboy

yiddyboy lol spuds too true with levys deep pockets

topspur53

Not sure how reliable this data is, this seems to be the injury status: J Livermore 5 days M Dembele TBC B Assou-Eko'o TBC Y Kaboul 7 wks S Parker 2 wks

yiddyboy

No mention of Sandro, so I assume he's alright?

yiddyboy

If all goes well, we should have all injured players back by the new year.

yiddyboy

then will wont get anybody new in

topspur53

*we

topspur53

Is Freidel the new scapegoat?...no. He's a symptom of poor decision making. Why buy a £12m full international keeper in his prime just to keep him on the bench? Even if you think Brad is the better keeper surely you can see that Hugo has to play for the good of the club otherwise Hugo will want out and at the end of the season when Brad retires we won't have a viable keeper option...despite blowing a fortune on paying 4 keepers 1st team wages...If as some have said Hugo ain't up to playing in the PL then whoever bought him should be sacked....we can't afford to blow 12m on a keeper when we could have added that to a fee for a Striker/Winger/Creative mid...

shedboy2

By the time January comes around, we will be mid table and we will have no chance of signing the players we need (even in the unlikely event of Levy opening the purse strings). Bale will certainly leave in the summer, probably on 31s August leaving us no time to get a replacement, which I thnk is Levys real reason for dragging the tansfers out. From Chamins League contenders to midtable no hopers in one year. This is not negativity but realism. I can't see any other outcome, particuarly as that is s far as ENIC's ambitions lie. As long asc we are creaming in the TV money they will be happy (the only time money has been spent n the last few seasons was when there as a chance we would get relagated. When we were in the Champions League no ambition was shown and this is the inevitable outcome. Added to that we have a manager who frankly does not have a clue either tactically or in man management and who to me appears to be managing with fear of failure dominating his thoughts. I think thing are about to get a whole lot worse. Still,at least we have a world class traing ground!

jonathan01

shedboy- same goes for vert if we dont put him back at centrehalf

topspur53

Any time now, I'm expecting the brown & murky to hit the ceiling mounted air circulator.

Spuds-U-Like

jonathan01 - We are sitting 5th in the league and have played shi7e for the best part of the season. We have KEY players out injured (Parker, Dembele, BAE, Kaboul) and Ade has hardly featured due to injury. But you know you're right, it's all doom and gloom. AVB out, bring back Harry and then in January we could sign Del Piero, Rio Ferdinand and and then extend Freidel's contract for another 2 years.

yiddyboy

tops- you're right but I think Verts will be ok at LB as long as he knows it's temporary....if BAE is fit and he's still playing there we'll have problems...so of our summer buys Vert has been the best, Dembele has been good but is injured, Ade (if you count him as new) overlooked then injured, Lloris looks OK but has been treated like a mug, Gylfi looks out of his depth, Dempsey looks average at best....ain't gonna build anything on that lot of sand....

shedboy2

If Carrol is not a rumour, that means AvB does not rate Ade.......which means our last transfer window was down to Levy yet again Fifa Manager what ever year he plays now!!

WestStandEnclosure

yiddyboy- may just as well extend Brad's contract as we're not playing the France international keeper we expensivly aquired....as for arry, I wasn't upset to see him go but I was a little surprised we took a punt on AVB withg such limited experience and after his failure in the prem....he must do a mean presentation!

shedboy2

shedboy2 - I think AVB knows what he's talking about, it seems his problem is convincing the players as obviously Levy thought it was great! AVB will become his own worst enemy if he continues to play preferred players rather than the best for the team. However, I don't know what goes on at training. Maybe he receives attitude from Ade and his way of teaching him is to bench him??

yiddyboy

Ade's wages are now afordable for other clubs as City have taken the hit on their contract, at the price we got him we may even make a few quid...I suspect that was a motivator in his signing....nope why risk shelling out 20/25m on Leandro a year ago....when we can sign a keeper for 12m and not use him, an aging Dempsey for 7m and an unproven Gylfi for 8m....yep great use of resources....

shedboy2

We are not 5th in the league, we are 6th and after the next two league games we'll be considerably below that but it's not AVB's fault.

Hot_Spur

yiddyboy- I hope you're right but from what I see AVB is a good analyst, not manager...he's a bright guy and must be convincing as he managed to get Bobby Robson to mentor him....I think without that chance encounter as a teenager he wouldn't be anywhere near managing a big club....I may not see what goes on at training (or maybe I do) but we buy players based on what we see them do on the pitch in front of a crowd....that is always the best guage.

shedboy2

on ade, I think he has to play against City, he'll smash nastasic...we also need to sit deeper and play them on the counter....against west ham they had Kolo at RB and he was pushing on...bale can rip him a new one, dzeko was physical and could bully Gallas so I'd go dawson/caulker for power and pace....city looked v unhappy could be a good time to play them....

shedboy2

A bid possible for Andy Carroll, aka daily fail, that means we have to hold onto Dawson, his the only one who can hoof it up-field that far, in hope of hitting the target. Andy Carroll has yet to score for wet spam during his loan spell, so his got the right CV for us, we have plenty who can't score, we need players that might score at a push, and those that do know how to score, this has all the makings of, you wait when wet spam play us Andy Carroll will score.

spu 4 life

Spend some money on Patrick Herrmann currently with Borussia Monchengladbach. Possible 'WINTER BLUES'' Chelsea can swoop in for Loic Remy with £25 million. Moreover, the France international would be receiving more playing opportunities in the first team at Chelsea. The 23-year-old Brazil international Leandro Damiao has won the heart of Roberto Di Matteo. The tall center forward has turned into a goal-scoring machine over the years. In three seasons with Internacional, Leandro Damiao has scored 74 goals in 124 appearances. Leandro Damiao has been on Chelsea’s radar for a while now. The powerhouse picked up a silver medal and finished as the top scorer in the 2012 London Olympics. Chelsea will face fierce rivalry from Manchester United for Leandro Damiao, but Roberto Di Matteo can defeat them with the tons of transfer funds at his disposal. Chelsea can pickup Leandro Damiao for £20 million. Leandro Damiao has already declared that he is open to a transfer move. Well that would be the Icing on the christmas cake, if this happened, they only have Torres and Sturridge, I hope Levy is trying, well we know he is trying, but that comes under a different heading. Leandro Damiao ''A GOAL MACHINE'' really, why did we not look into it closer?

spu 4 life

if AVB cant convince the players his knowledge is worth diddly squat

topspur53

because levy is too tight spu4life. If chelski get leandro, NO we dont wont torres either.

topspur53

"Adebayor: The saviour of Tottenham Hotspur!".....

Some of you need to start looking closer to home for the saviour of Tottenham Hotspur. You want your/our club saved? Try fu***ng supporting it, rather than having your weekly tantrums, just because you feel you have some sort of divine right to witness perfect performances every time you watch your/our team play.

NEWSFLASH!! Things don't work that way, ever!!.

Kaboul, Ekotto, Parker, Adebayor, Dembele = KEY PLAYERS and, perhaps, almost guaranteed starters, yet all missing for periods of our season so far.

Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Dempsey = NEW SIGNINGS who make up some 20% of our whole squad.

New system, new coaches, new manager, new every fu***ng thing. Yet here sit many of you, doing as you are now only able to do, ie moaning, whining, predicting doomsday!!. Man nothing ever changes, does it!!

WTF? A fifth of the squad is new, a fifth of the squad has been missing due to injury but, by the grace of the invisible man in the sky, we must sack AVB because we are not top of the league. We must sack AVB because, after a massive 10 league games & a couple of cup matches, it's clear to see he will never amount to anything.

What a crock of $hit!!

coopsieyid

ECoopsie. welcome back. Everyone has injuries, that is no excuse. We seem to have gone from a team challenging for Champions League football to an average team overnight. I for one am just commenting on what i see is happening to this team. I will be 100% behind them in the next game and would never boo like some fans did on Saturday, and believe me I would be so happy to be proved wrong and will say so on this sight if I am proved wrong. But the whole point of this sight is to vent if we feel the need.

jonathan01

Hot_Spur you are right, the buck stops with manager. As pure speculation where do you think Spurs would have been placed this time last season without Kaboul, King, BAE, Parker, Modric, VDV, and Adebayor?

ItalianYiddo

Welcome back Coops, I wrote the last post before reading yours.

ItalianYiddo

welcome back coopsie- a 90min performance wouldn't go amiss thou, but your right, they need support. i have followed spurs since 1960 and only ever shouted abuse once at jason dozzel. (so can be excused that i hope) lol

topspur53

Apparntly not according to AVB, Im a Defoe fan, but I can see the system dont work with Defoe up top by himself. I also believe swapping strikers is not the root of the problem.

Ossie

Good last post jonathan01!!

Ossie

We are in a league position which we probably shouldnt be, after 10 league games and a couple of cup games I have seen little to prove my original opionion of AVB was wrong, I'm still hoping everything "clicks" with the players. Even with our back-up players we should at least be competing with Wigan at home, otherwise why the bleedin hell are they there? I'm still supporting the team and AVB but he's making it very difficult, sounds harsh but as it stands im inclined to agree with the last 2 lines of your post COOPSIEYID

coys1717

jonathan - I know comparisons can't really be made, yet, but somebody remind me of Alcy Ferguson's first season at United!!. Everyone does indeed have injuries, and every other club has these injuries highlighted by every analyst & pundit out there. Yet Tottenham Hotspur? Not a word mentioned (apart from Harry Redknapp on MOTD a couple of weeks ago after the Chel$ki game). No, they're all too busy getting their collective claws into AVB. It's our whole spine that has been decimated. Kaboul, Parker, Ade. 2 are netural leaders, the other is the ONLY natural leader of the frontline, that we have on our books. These players, had they been fit & available for selection, WOULD have made a significant difference to not only our performances, but also our results too..

ts53 - cheers fella. Now tell me, when was the last time we actually got to see a 90 minute performance from our team? In Milan? Consistency is going to be a very hard thing to come by until our manager has ALL the tools necessary to carry out the job he was brought in to do. Then & only then can we make a fair judgement upon how he's doing..

IY - Just like Yiddyboy before you, you're speaking sense about missing parts of the THFC puzzle.

coopsieyid

coys1717 - Last season & the season before, when we didn't have this clueless manager who needs sacking, we still lost against this Wigan team, and a relegated Wet Spam team, and Norwich etc etc etc & that was with ALL of our so called 'first choice players' on the pitch. So was it AVB's fault that we couldn't compete with those teams at home too? Just look at the players IY mentions, that we are missing from the team that couldn't beat Norwich & Villa etc last season. Tell me how not having those players at our disposal should actually make us more 'entitled' to compete with Wigan at home?

coopsieyid

Ah, normal service is resumed. Welcome back Coopsie, I must admit mate, I did wonder whether you would ever come back though.

At least we now have another voice of reasoned, positive debate to top up the dwindling knowledge pool with!

Spuds-U-Like

Welcome back my fellow YID! Having read your first post Coopsie, and re-read it. Pure fact . Too many fools on here who expect instant success and they have short memories too. I've been banging on for the past weeks about missing the key players, yes all teams have injuries but not all teams are without 4/5 KEY players. I hope you stay around mate, but I totally understand if this is a flying visit!

yiddyboy

No need for the niceties guys, it's appreciated BUT such things are apparently very much out of place on here nowadays? I gather this facility is now a platform for dimwitted 'Ejits' to fill their boots with as much vitriol & abuse as possible? Such a shame considering the amount of time & effort Ox dedicates into making this the best Vital site out there. All his effort is simply undermined by a group of jumped up self righteous reasons why mother should have swallowed!!

coopsieyid

Don't you mean "had her cap on" Coops? As far as I know, its impossible to conceive via the oral cavity mate! :-0

Spuds-U-Like

Well, not unless you're flexible enough to blow it up there!

Spuds-U-Like

While I'm at it, there's more than a few members of this site who are fully aware of why I've not been around. Each and every one of those members know who they are, and how bloody amazing they have been to me. It shows that there are some truly wonderful people on here, it's just a crying shame that they are overshadowed by the insulting brigade. So, like I said, you all know who you are, I just wanna say a massive THANKYOU to those of which I speak!

You are the TRUE 'Yid family' and I'm happy to have you all amongst my now MANY followers on twitter. It's amazing how easy it is to build a genuine 'Yid army' when there's actually 'real people' around, rather than keyboard warriors with a vendetta!!

coopsieyid

sorry, "she's" not "you're".

Unless that sort of thing rocks your boat!

Spuds-U-Like

COOPSIEYID- we will drop points at home, theres no doubt about it, teams like Wigan, Wolves etc have to White hart lane and been destroyed but still gained points, these teams were played with both strong and weak spurs teams never the less they were dominated, Martinez said it himself after the game looking at the result you would think that Wigan snatched a win, they didnt they outplayed us plain and simple. Our weak team should be competing with Wigan, otherwise kick em out the bleeding club for not being good enough, if they are considered good enough who does the blame fall with? the manager thats who. every game that ive seen both live and on tv, we have been generally lucky to gain points (other than reading).

coys1717

Spuds - That was the point, Sir. Had mother swallowed, the world would not have to endure these people!!

coys1717 - I hear you, I really do. However, there is not a player who hasn't come out since Saturday's match & said anything other than "we were awful".. This, to me at least, suggests that they are aware that it is them who have not performed, NOT the manager.

coopsieyid

coys1717 - The the games against Lazio and Maribor where we dominated possession but walked away sharing the points. That's football mate, if you don't know that part then I suggest you take a crash course before entering a stupid conversation.

yiddyboy

You need to lower your expectations a bit coys1717. Go back & read Coopsie's 1st post & digest it a bit & then you'll see why we're spluttering ATM. If we haven't improved by the end of January, then you're observations will have a lot more merit mate.

Spuds-U-Like

just what has AVB contributed since he's been here? apart from *****ing of Lloris....how long do we give him? we had large chunk of the summer transfer window to get 'his' men in...what happened? why will January be any different?

shedboy2

shedboy - I suggest you point your finger of blame more in the direction of AVB's boss, rather than in the direction of AVB. If reports are to be believed, NONE of our summer signings were AVB's choice. The one that was AVB's choice is the one who Levy decided not to move for until Deadline Day & missed out on. So "what has AVB contributed since he's been here?".. Well fella, look at the table. Considering how supposedly $hit we've been, or the players have been, I'd say he's actually done more than his share.

coopsieyid

Yiddyboy- I'm confused with the point your trying to make. Coopsieyid&Spud you like- Your probably right I do need to lower my expectations, going back to my original posts when i started getting angry as i was writing, my point was, we appear to be undoing all the hardwork which has been acheived over the last 3-4 years. My support is unwaivering, but I still have no reason to beleive AVB will succeed and angry at Levy for a) gambling on him to begin with and b)not replacing the players we had with equal or better talent.

coys1717

so if they are not AVB signings..who sanctioned them?...but you have a point Coops....we didn't invest after qualifying for the CL, we make 32m profit on player sales, we can afford to buy a keeper for 12m and sit him, we can pay Gylfi 60k+ per week but we can't afford the signing we need....as for the table...look at who we've played and more impotantly the performances....not good. So how long do we give AVB? the fans aren't mugs and won't put up with dross being served up....

shedboy2

I liked this article, full of spurs spirits, miserably positive and beautifully romantic... lol... COYS!

SpursWho

shedboy- levy did because they were cheap. dembele apart, the others not looking great. levy will have no option but to buy a couple of players this window. he wont get away with it in january if he does not.

topspur53

ts53 - Even the pundits say that Dembele "was a bargain". shedboy, I think Levy has gone all 'Hitler' and wants to run everything. And I've ALWAYS backed him :-(

coopsieyid

shedboy2 - We played some of the bottom 6. Drew some, Won some and Lost 1. We've also play top of the league at their place an won. So please clear up your point for me?? Coys1717 - My point is, when you dominate you don't always win and when you play poorly you can come away with all the points.

yiddyboy

Way to go coys1717, very good points at the end there.

Spuds-U-Like

Levy has not changed, he's always been consistent. He wants to make as much money as possible for ENIC/Lewis. What he has done is slowly progress Spurs from mid-table underachievers to top six regulars. Unfortunately we have all had a taste of the very elite (Champions League) and now we expect to be in their every year. Levy is a business man. Yes he could have purchased Moutinho for the same price as he got for Modric, but he's a businessman. Would any of you sell shares in one company and buy in another at the same price with no guarantee of investment???? I personally believe Levy has brought Spurs into the level we want to be, mixing it with the big boys. Lets not forget there are 4 places up for grabs and realistically 6 teams playing for them. Square pegs and round holes ring a bell? Of the 6 teams over the time since ENIC arrived we, SPURS are the weakest in terms of regularity with the top 4. So blame who you want but progress is being made. Maybe not as fast as some of you would like but that has bigger risks and ENIC don't want to gamble that hard.

yiddyboy

"Spuds - That was the point, Sir. Had mother swallowed, the world would not have to endure these people!!" Ah, Coops, its like you've never been away! :-0

Spuds-U-Like

yiddyboy-my point was to look at the performances...apart from 45min at old trafford we have been weak....as you say you can play poorly and come away with all the points...our luck will run out if we keep playing poorly....
topspur53 - agree, about time he spent some of OUR money!

shedboy2

coopsie dembele was the bargain of the year . did you read me right. i think the other two were just cheap.

topspur53

we played well against lazio, just robbed by the ref and linesmen

topspur53

Coopsie - best thing I've read so far!!!! Can't abide all this negativity!

Zummerzet Spur

Welcome back Coopsie, it's nice to see your considered views back on VS. We broadly agree, but I'm afraid on this subject of our performances and results since the beginning of the season its simplistic to blame injuries. I would prefer to blame the guy who sold the quality out of the side and failed or had no intention to adequately replace it, he also sold the solid bench and replacement players we had last year. The primary culprit in this is Levy, especially as seems likely he has got it wrong again for the 8th time in the manager stakes. Once again we are going to rue trying to run a champagne club on a lemonade budget, it just can't be done, even if you are believed to be able to walk on water, or turn water into wine, as many do of Daniel Levy.

Frank

Frank - Thanks fella, and You'll see that, on the 'Too Defensive' article, I very much point the finger towards the same person you are laying the blame on :-)

Zummer - Get used to it mate, negativity is all some people know.

coopsieyid

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