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Too Defensive?

I for one feel that we will do ok this season and should finish 4th although this is more down to a poor Arsenal, a goal shy Liverpool and hopefully a small Everton squad that will falter in the later months. Hopefully the board will show more ambition if we reach the promised land this time and we will try to really push on!

The above said, one thing that really bothers me and I feel is costing us points is the overly defensive set up we are employing. Now, away to Man Utd, I have no problems with fielding 2 defensive midfielders and I like the 4-2-3-1 system for these games, and even home matches against the big boys. However, at home against, Norwich, West Brom and Wigan we should be looking to take these teams apart and I dont think that formation is right! We should be fielding a far more attacking line up for these matches and personally 4-3-3 would please me.

With the players we have this formation could really destroy teams and then once leading comfortably we could switch to the 4-2-3-1 to shore it all up. Now I know we have injuries but on the assumption that most players were fit, who wouldn't relish the sight of this lineup against West Ham in our next home match. Lloris Walker Vertonghen Caulker BAE Dembele Sandro Huddlestone Defoe Ade Bale. Bench - Friedel, Gallas, Naughton, Lennon, Siggi, Livermore, Dempsey. There are valid arguments for Friedel in goal and people may want to see Lennon, Siggi or Dempsey in the 11 but this shows that our squad is pretty good.

This line up excites me - solid at the back, a strong midfield 3 with the skills of Dembele, passing of Thudd and the defensive qualities of Sandro. Up front I think these 3 would tear teams apart - pace, finishing, strength etc etc. Lets be solid in our next 2 very hard games and hopefully come away with 4 points(that would be lovely). Then get back to the lane and rip into the Hammers and then take apart a fragile Liverpool to set up a nice Xmas for us all.

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Writer:cassieyid
Date:Tuesday November 6 2012
Time: 12:40PM

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Far too defrensive when we take the lead.
chrishove123
06/11/2012 12:47:00
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Sorry to go off topic so soon, but I saw this really interesting interview with Edgar davids about the set up in Ajax, and they parralell us in their financial struggle so much, but they have a different attitude towards how they deal with it, their youth policy and how they use their academy which is nicknamed, the future. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9656788/Manchester-City-v-Ajax-Dutch-master-Edgar-Davids-puts-work-ethic-down-to-Amsterdams-conveyor-belt-of-players.html
chrishove123
06/11/2012 12:55:00
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Problem is cassie with a 4 3 3 formation it would need ALL our players giving 100% all the game and I don't know if we have the players to be able to do that, ref Hudd who runs out of steam and has no pace. Maybe once we get our full first 11 back it will work, but at the moment with no real attacking force we have to defend more because we can't score.
chrishove123
06/11/2012 12:58:00
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I never like the idea of starting with 2 DM's, pick a combo of Livermoor, Parker, Sandro and its never really worked. I think when we have more players back from injury we will have the ability to chip and change a little more. Looking at the players out, most have been out for the whole season, and here we are trying out different players ect when ideally you need a fully fit squad to work from. Nice article and i also think we can finnish in the top 4, even with the injuries we still have a talented side. I'm sure this is where the players and AVB see the team at the end of the season also. The team i would pick in a 433 would be Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Vertonghen, Ekotto, Parker, Huddlestone, Dembele, Lennon, Adebeyor, Bale. COYS.
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 12:59:00
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I often think we get too carried away with this or that formation. We talk about a particular formation being too defensive, but Man United often use 4-2-3-1 and I believe Arsenal used it in their 7-5 win at Reading. For me it isnt the formation, but how you use it and who is played. Can we for example really say that Dembele is a DCM when he plays. Same on saturday, did Sigurdsson really set out to play deep or was it just that they were over run by Wigan having an extra body in the centre and us simply not playing well enough?
oxfordspur
06/11/2012 13:06:00
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Yes, that worries me too chrishove, about being too defensive. A little less of the "hanging on to what we've got" when we're only 1 up wouldn't go amiss. OK when you're 2 or 3 up with 5 mins left, but not 1 up with 20 left!

Spuds-U-Like
06/11/2012 13:09:00
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Yes, we are too defensive. Our fullbacks need to push forward more. Looking at other top-table teams and even some mid-table teams, their fullbacks push forward much more than ours. Our central midfielders need to push forward more, often there is only our lone striker in the box and no penetrating movement from the midfield. Because we do not push forward there are too few options to pass the ball to. We often have to pass the ball backward to CB and then to the goalkeeper. The main problem seems to be our poor movement.
Jables
06/11/2012 13:11:00
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last season, everyone was demanding we played 4-2-3-1 today we demand we play something else. What is clear is that AVB is too cautious and whatever formation we play, that is where we are having the problem
oxfordspur
06/11/2012 13:12:00
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I never wanted us to play 2 DM,s last season regardless of the formation!
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 13:15:00
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Ox your last post was on point!!!
Ossie
06/11/2012 13:18:00
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I do not think that it is too defensive...it just ain't working. The high pressing thing ain't working. Having 2 holding midfielders who cannot pass is a problem. The 4-2-3-1 could work if BOTH the holding midfielders could pass. But all they can do is pass crab-like or backwards to Friedel...who hoofs it. Then the midgets up front cannot win the hoof, and we defend again. I would (personally) reverse the central midfield triangle: one holding midfielder (Parker/Sandro) and 2 slightly more attacking midfielders (Siggy, Dembele, Dempsey). For this to work, the "attacking" ones must NOT press high. There really is no point in pressing high if they are not keeping the ball in the opposing half! Spurs' biggest problem is that when behind, our formation prevents us from starting attacks from defence. Previous seasons had this right - as we were always capable of working the ball forward on the ground whilst still threatening the long through ball if the opposition were caught napping. This season, we seem to be waiting for a static Defoe to disrupt the shape of their defence, or ignoring Siggy's runs because Sandro and Livermore do not have the skills to pick out the pass. The formation also causes problems when we are ahead because we cannot keep the ball across the whole team. AVB must however play his way. He has to find a way to make it work. Just like 'Arry adjusted his beloved 4-4-2 into a 4-4-1-1 to make it work. As for 4th, I cannot see it. Transition season for me. 5th or 6th. Arsenal/Everton will take 4th - especially if Fellaini keeps fit. Immense player
TonyRich
06/11/2012 13:18:00
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We can play sublime attacking football (well we used to) im sure AVB will want us back to our best. I bet he tries to bring in a more attaching minded players come jan/summer. With the team we have (fully fit) we will be less defensive imo! COYS.
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 13:19:00
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Yes too defensive so far this season. Sandra and Livermore both in the centre is awful, not only holds us back but also prevents the other team going forward and closes the whole game thus stopping our counter attacking threat.

Biggest problem is our squad, we have 4 goal keepers and only 2 strikers!!!
T.H.F.Chris
06/11/2012 13:20:00
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SpursOne2 - last season was 4-4-1-1. That formation with 2 DMs IS definitely defensive. A "come for a point" formation. But 4-2-3-1 is a different animal. The fact that Sandro works his socks off, puts in some saving tackles YET the opposition STILL manage to pass straight through our midfield is very worrying. Chelsea made fun of our midifeld.
TonyRich
06/11/2012 13:29:00
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Pretty much agree, the formation doesnt suit the players or they just havent got it yet. Either way playing 1 striker at home for me isnt enough, the balls to easily turned over putting us back under pressure. The formation appears to work away from home, whcih makes sense considering we should be the ones being put under pressure allowing Lennon, Bale etc to run into the space behind the defense. 1st half against southamton for example.
coys1717
06/11/2012 13:29:00
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T.H.F.Chris - squad is lacking up front, but still miles better than what Wigan have to choose from. I can accept us losing points, but playing pants EVERY home game is not down to squad - which is still very good. It is down to manager's team selection and formation and tactics AND the players themselves.
TonyRich
06/11/2012 13:32:00
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I 2nd that Tonyrich, i was having a similiar debate on the last article
coys1717
06/11/2012 13:35:00
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Ox - Is it any surprise AVB is "too cautious"? His team is decimated, yet sit joint 4th in the league. But the slightest mistake & 'supporters' boo him & the press crucify him. If he was more bold he'd just be called "wreckless" or "clueless". The players will also be aware of this, and are getting the same treatment from 'supporters' as the manager is. Is it any wonder we're struggling to perform when every club representative is looking over their shoulder for the next attack?
coopsieyid
06/11/2012 13:36:00
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TonyRich - 4-4-1-1 or 4-4-2, still with only one of Parker/Livermoor/Sandro! Im not against a change of formation just not with 2 of the three named. COYS.
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 13:38:00
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No one up front to hold the ball and link play. Defoe only and he is just a selfish poacher. But considering Abedayor was a late signing then injured we have done ok. Not just defensive MF style of play. Things are still an an early development stage, young players now getting a chance, but if a have a criticsm in is the excessive use of Gallas and Friedel, but this will soon be resolved.
camper
06/11/2012 13:44:00
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Coops - if that is the case, then he should not have taken the job. He KNEW what he was walking into at Chelsea. And knew KNEW what he was getting into here. I would not call our squad "decimated". I think it is a better all-round squad than last season. Modric is a significant loss, but no one man makes a team, let alone squad. The additions more than make up for it - IF they are played correctly. If you are talking injuries, yes we are missing Dembele and Parker. But how long were Arsenal missing Wilshere and Sagna, and how long we Man U missing Smalling, Jones, Vidic, Young, Fletcher. The fact is that what he is capable of selecting week in and week out SHOULD be able to put together better performances than we have seen thus far. I believe that his formation simply does not work in EPL....as it did not work for Chelsea either with an even better squad.
TonyRich
06/11/2012 13:44:00
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avb is getting stick he deserves just like harry did
123spurs
06/11/2012 13:47:00
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a 4231 can be quite an attacking formation, used correctly. The 2 in the double pivot should never be two ball winning DM's...one is supposed to be a deep lying playmaker....either passing or dribbling....ie Thud, Dembele, Modric....it doesn't work with livermore and Sandro or sandro and Parker or parker and livermore....it's about the balance to a team the formation is a template the ability and natural game of the players is the most important factor...
shedboy2
06/11/2012 13:49:00
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we cant keep a lead so why do or else train the player to be able to adpat, last 15 min if games and we get nervous we panick we clealry dont no what to do, the manager needs to lay hes part in this
123spurs
06/11/2012 13:52:00
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Coopsie, welcome back, but apology if you have been back for a while. Agree with your comments and as i have said AVB not given a chance either my Levy in transfer market or with injuries, far to early to judge.
Chelmspur
06/11/2012 13:53:00
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I personally think 4,2,3,1 is too defensive especially at home and especially with livermore/parker/sandro as the holding two oh and with defoe as the lone striker. 4,3,3 is a much more flexible formation. It still has a back four which is important defensively so players know what they're doing, it has a midfield three of - defensive mid,box to box, and playmaker, all in the middle of the park. then with pace and attacking threat from the wings and a centre forward it provides good attacking ability... the only thing is, we should not set up in a 4,3,3 every game unless we completely re-haul the whole tottenham ethos and academy etc, and set up like barca/ajax. we could however adapt our system to beat the other team like how ferguson or mourinho sets up their teams...
rahn DMC
06/11/2012 13:53:00
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Walker, Vert, Kaboul, Caulker, BAE, Sandro, Djembele, Lennon, Bale, Ade. Yes I would like to see us go 3 at the back for a change
Horny Helen
06/11/2012 13:57:00
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TR your right we should be better than Wigan, WBA and Norwich at home, or be better than at least one of them! And your right about the mgr has the biggest influence but the squad also sets a precedent, losing modric, VDV, kranj, GDS,Bently, plus Pav in under a year limits our options.

AVB is a bit unlucky in we are a much better away team this year and obliviously home match draws and loses get bigger coverage i.e. if we drew with Southampton and reading, and lost to utd but beat WBA, Wigan and Norwich and were sitting 5th everything would probably look a lot more rosier. Fact is we're doing alright, just not good yet...need patients [and a better squad].
T.H.F.Chris
06/11/2012 13:59:00
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AVB's "stick" will only be deserved when he's screwing things up when his full squad is at his disposal..


Our club has literally only just embarked upon attempting to take the same path as the 2 clubs you mentioned. Training facility, scouting network, coaching set-up = ALL BEEN CHANGED. Yet people are expecting results after a couple of months of attempting to get this new system in place, let alone actually bare it's fruits? Madness I tell you!!
coopsieyid
06/11/2012 14:00:00
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Yeah welcome back coops, good to see your name floating around again fella!
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 14:02:00
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we usually loose to man utd so no points an we beat wigan same number of points
123spurs
06/11/2012 14:02:00
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AVB deserves stick for his handling of the Brad/Hugo situation alone...god knows what he'll do with a full squad?
shedboy2
06/11/2012 14:07:00
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123 - That post about usually losing to Utd etc = EXACTLY the point. Why can't this be acknowledged on a wider scale?

SO2 & chelm - Thanks fellas.
coopsieyid
06/11/2012 14:13:00
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shed - What if AVB didn't want Lloris?
coopsieyid
06/11/2012 14:15:00
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agree with the article point about being too defensive at home but have to tear you to shreds about the opening sentance. " I for one feel that we will do ok this season and should finish 4th" Why do you think this?? Have we ever finished above arsenal in the last 20 years?? No. So why with our worst squad in 5 years will we do it now??? Its so arrogant and dismissive, yet you set yourself up for disapointment every time. We are a top 6 team NOT top 4. We could contend for 4th but will we get it?? No probably not. So many fans on here are so delluded. We seriously need a dose of realism, this will only help the team and lift a huge weight YOU put on their shoulders. With our history I simply cannot undertsand why you think we should be top 4, its utter lunacy. Support does not mean being a blind fanatic. Unbelievable.
jimmy-yid
06/11/2012 14:18:00
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Holy $hit I agree with jimmy!!
coopsieyid
06/11/2012 14:21:00
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i think till about the southampton game avb handled the lloris/freidal situation well... he integrated lloris slowly getting him used to the english game... but now i think lloris must play every game, against wigan freidal proved that. He had played well until that corner which lets be honest, any quality keeper would have dealt with, 'keeping is about being able to produce quality at any given time, perhaps after having 90+ minutes of having nothing to do. I think freidal has played well this season - albeit i think a few of the goals let in lloris could've saved...
rahn DMC
06/11/2012 14:22:00
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and ive only just got to the bit about getting 4 points in our next two games followed by ripping into west ham & liverpool. 4 points at Man city and the goons??? really??? 1 if we're lucky. Wake up son.
jimmy-yid
06/11/2012 14:22:00
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Too Defensive? - Is that more to do with SF as asssistant head coach, the only time Sandro crosses the half way line these days, is when we change ends. To allow the full backs, Walker and either Vertonghen or BAE when his fit, to attack makes sense if you have Sandro and Parker holding, who i think does work if Dembele is the one in the middle, Lennon and Bale wide is the only option we have they both do a good job closing down and defending, it's more to do with the option up front and i would go with Ade, he offers much more in his game. Lloris in goal has to start happening on a regular basis, Walker Caulker in place of Gallas, Vertonghen, BAE, Lennon, Sandro, Dembele, Parker, Bale, Ade; We also seem to have done away with the ''high line'' now who's idea was that, my money is on Gallas, because he can't sprint back half the time. Would are best back line be Walker, Kaboul, Caulker, Vertonghen, with Lloris in goal. Defending is about doing it as a unit, we have enough attack minded players, when the best is all fit.
spu 4 life
06/11/2012 14:23:00
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yes, welcome back coopsieyid. I agree AVB needs the whole squad at his disposal and our results, had we had a fit squad would have been different in previous games. The loss of Dembele has been massive in my opinion as he fits into the squad perfectly. But, I agree with shedboy2 that the constant rotating of keepers is a bit frustrating. I can imagine if you are France's No 1 keeper and almost half the age of the other keeper you must be thinking wtf!. I acknowledge Brad has had a good season so far, but how long can AVB continue to do this before Lloris is truly miffed?
mountainyid
06/11/2012 14:23:00
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jimmy-yid - What the hell have arsenal got to do with her opening line?? The fact is we have achieved top4 in the recent seasons, each time with slightly different squads. This season we still have a talented side and can finnish up their. AVB also said this is where we want to be, where we are aiming for.. so i agree with the article.
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 14:27:00
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Gotta go pick my kids up now.
coopsieyid
06/11/2012 14:32:00
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if we beat city away, (yes, too)... I genuinely would not care whether we finish 4th... ;)
SpursWho
06/11/2012 14:37:00
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coopsieyid - A BIG WELCOME BACK !!!! and your allowed near kids again, that means the electric shock treatment is working?
spu 4 life
06/11/2012 14:42:00
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I think the problem is more to do with our failure to deal with set pieces then being to defensive................ We are too easy to score against from dead-ball situations!!
WestStandEnclosure
06/11/2012 14:43:00
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coops...Lloris was bought on AVB's watch..if he didn't want him, he should have told who ever was buying that he'd be wasting his money....the fact is Hugo is a Spurs player one of many that AVB had no hand in signing just like Brad yet he plays Brad despite being average at best and the fact that he is no longer an asset....playing Brad devalues Hugo and will be to the detriment of the club over the mid term...wait until Brad gets injured and AVB must win a game to save his job, i bet Hugo would get a back spasm/tight hammy etc..and whatever happened to Gomes??
shedboy2
06/11/2012 14:49:00
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We are a top 4 side, its just we have other teams to contend with..it gets close with the battles. Down to 1 point in places, goal difference in others. Its not being deluded to think we can finnish there at all. Your out order for saying that.
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 14:52:00
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jimmy-yid - And last season you said the same as well. Well we finished 4th. We were 4th best side in the prem for 2011. But not a top4 team?? Joke. Sitting there using big words like deluded, arrogant dismissive, luncy ect is not called for? Where the hell have you been for the last decade where we have moved up table to those positions? Exactly, in a cave probably by the sound of it.
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 14:59:00
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keeping with tradition... welcome back coops ;)
rahn DMC
06/11/2012 15:00:00
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welcome back coops, and that is exactly what has been going through my head, what if he doesn't want lloris? Then again as he said NO player has the right just to expect to just walk into the first team, he has to prove that he deserves the spot and on lloris' showings so far I don't think he does. Looks very nervy and drops balls, that would have got Gomez slaughtered on here. No consistency from some "supporters" on here. With a lot of people here it isn't how well or badly a player is doing it is almost a cult of personality. Lloris screws up and the majority leap to his defence, Gomez doe exactly the same thing and he gets slaughtered, Friedel does it and he gets a hammering but not as much as Gomez yet it is the same mistake. There is a subtle (serious) lack of objectivity on here these days.
chrishove123
06/11/2012 15:03:00
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hmmm did we finish 4th last year, 5th the year before, 4th the year before that after recovering from appointing a tactical genius of a manager who knocked us off track after finishing 5th in two successive years?? If he brings Bentley back from russia and plays him at RB we'll know we're screwed....
shedboy2
06/11/2012 15:06:00
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When AVB was first appointed I was very excited. I was hoping for a new manager with fresh ideas to take the club forward. Unfortunately, I have not yet been impessed but I think there are mitigating factors. firstly, I believe he media have been out to get him and they ridicule every decision he makes, secondly, athough injuries are no excuse, they have been to key players which would hamper any team. Thirdly, as Coopsie says he has not had time to get the squad of players that suit the way he likes to play. It is important that Daniel Levy supports him in the next transfer window. We must not end up wih compromises such as Dempsey, I would rather sign no one and use youngsters rather than take older players on large wages who wil be surplus to reqirements in a seaon or two. After all, I think the remit was to develop younger players. So despite all our doubts we must get behind the team and give AVB a chance, he is clearly a bright bloke wh is still learning. The booing at he Lane must stop. I creates a negative atmosphere for the players. We are supposed to be supporters. My god, have I just posted a posative article!!
jonathan01
06/11/2012 15:11:00
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WestStandEnclosure Surely dealing with set pieces is all about defending cz you have to defend against them. So yeah our defence is pretty abysmal all round At the moment.
chrishove123
06/11/2012 15:12:00
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welcome back coopsie!
Guernman
06/11/2012 15:15:00
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yep, remit to develop younger players...up steps Brad...;)
shedboy2
06/11/2012 15:15:00
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shedboy2 - hmmm did we finish 4th last year, Was that a typo? Sorry i didn't get your post
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 15:17:00
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spursone2....just trying to say we've been knocking on the door since BMJ the only thing that has de-railed us has been the appointment of a supposed tactical genius...I'd hoped the board had learned, now I hope AVB can learn, and learn quickly or we'll be back to mid table obscurity before we know it...wasn't sacking Arry supposed to progress us? (for the record I had no problem with Arry getting the boot (I did with Jol) but wanted Laurent Blanc over AVB)
shedboy2
06/11/2012 15:25:00
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i don't believe that AVB is instructing the players to sit back and defend for their lives as we did against united and southampton but when we go ahead the opposing team will fight back. We currently have three massive problems IMO which create the vicious defensive cycle so apparant at old trafford. No1 is Friedel's distribution. At united he turned over 12 out of 15 long balls. hopeless. friedel doesn't come off his line so the defensive back line is pushed further and further back, when defenders pass back to gain time and space he just hoofs the ball up and turns possession. His long ball accuracy is probably the worst in the league. as Friedel's distribution is absolute tosh and he ensures that we face considerably more pressure than necessary and pushes the team further and further back. I am certainly not anti AVB but this IS his fault because we have a keeper in lloris who would really solve these issues. The second problem is that without modric and dembele we have no effective playmaker to control the midfield and turn defense into attack, something modric was absolutely world class at doing. thats levy's fault as AVB wanted moutinho. Finally Defoe cannot hold up the ball at all so as soon as we are on the back foot as we saw in the second half at old trafford we have no outlet to ease the pressure and to turn the flow of the game. ade has been injured but if he is continues to be second choice than this becomes AVBs fault too. He has shown defoe way too much loyalty and the little mans response to being subbed is a disgraceful way to acknowledge that IMO. combine the three issues of bad keeper distribution, no playmaker and no striker to hold up play and you have the recipe for one way traffic towards our goal mouth.
Guernman
06/11/2012 15:29:00
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shedboy2 - That's cool thanks, i liked Jol, Harry, both played big parts in moving us upwards. AVB i agree, has to learn and i am not against his appointment. I feel the squad we have can do great things. I think jimmy-yid was being harsh imo. COYS.
SpursOne2
06/11/2012 15:35:00
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BREAKING NEWS; Controversial Tory MP Nadine Dorries is going on ''I'm a Celebrity get me out of here'' and could be away for a least a month. Is it to late to nominate Brad Friedel for the show?
spu 4 life
06/11/2012 15:58:00
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@ chrishove123.......ref ajax:i know this is way down the line and very off topic,for this i apologise.i noticed this when they beat mank5hitty 3-1 in the champions league.ajax fielded a team worth either £2.5 or 4.5 million and beat a team worth £200million+.they also won their domestic league last season by 5 or 6 points but we have to remember that their youth academy is light years away from ours or any other in the u.k. because they have patience and build squads from its foundations as opposed to seeking out sugar daddies to buy sucesss.barcelona have also followed suit and look at them now. i'm full of admiration for this type of footballing ideology. ajax have been up there in europe since flared trousers,space invaders and ford capris were the height of 'cool.'every now and again the wheels come off as players are sold,the wrong manager comes in etc but 85% of the time they still finish in the top 4 of the dutch league and qualify for the champion league.i can't remember the last time i saw ajax in a europa type league.lets see how they get on today.another thing to note is that the ajax squad is made up of 75% dutch players.food for thought?...sorry to bang on about this....welcome back coopsieyid!
g. roberts testes
06/11/2012 16:08:00
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Agree with your 3rd post up top chrishove123, would be like attacking an angry lion with a blunt toothpick.
Guyver
06/11/2012 16:08:00
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Once we are able to field the following team, we will be able to transition which is the key. We can go from a 4,1,2,3 with Parker the 1, to a 4,2,3,1 with Parker and Sandro holding to a 4,3,3 to a 3,3,4 with Kaboul, Jan and Parker in the back and Walker/Naughton, BAE and Sandro inthe middle and Dembele joining the front 3.
Formation is about transition and this team when we can field them will be able to do so.
Lloris
Walker/Naughton, Kaboul, Jan, BAE
Parker, Sandro
Lennon, Dembele, Bale
Ade
COYS
miamispur
06/11/2012 16:11:00
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Coops, just noticed. Welcome back!
miamispur
06/11/2012 16:12:00
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on topic this time......are we not under-estimating the loss of scott parker?this season it seems like we have been playing 2 DF when parker used to do the job mostly by himself.he used to sit back,(and ironically get criticized for this),and break-up a lot of the opponents attacks.which allowed us the luxury of modric and VDV not having to worry too much about this responsibility and if we are honset VDV wasn't exactly the greatest of tacklers or known for his work rate.with parker in the team maybe we won't have to be so defensive and the likes of dembele/sigurdsson/dempsey could go and express themselves......please don't bite my head off,its just a suggestion.
g. roberts testes
06/11/2012 16:26:00
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g. roberts testes Parker was/is/will be when he gets back to fitness brilliant at breaking up the opposition play and I also feel that we miss that vital quality of his in midfield.
chrishove123
06/11/2012 16:30:00
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g. roberts testes I k nw they are light years ahead of us in developing youth, but I thought it would be a nice article to read just to show that one doesn't need a sugar daddy to succeed and that we as a club run under similar financial restraints could/should be looking at going down this route in a serious manner if we are to get anywhere and stay there.
chrishove123
06/11/2012 16:33:00
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chrishove123......i'm in total agreement with you,and loved the fact you posted the link to that article as it shows what grass-roots football SHOULD really be about.having said that,i can't realistically see it happening at spurs.these things take years and even a decade to build and if we are booing our team after 10-15 games what hope do we have of building a footballing academy in the same vein of ajax or barca....at least we have taken a first step towards this by building a great training ground.now hopefully we can start putting it to good use and build for the future.
g. roberts testes
06/11/2012 16:49:00
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Chrishove-although i am not comparing our youth system to Ajax, it does seem as though we are putting more emphasis on our U-21 and U-19 teams.
this is not bashing Harry but he did get us out of the reserve league when he turned up, which i thought was a mistake at the time. Our U-21 team currently sits top of their group after demolishing Newcastle 6-0. Some of these kids will be stepping up and will hopefully be the next WHL legends.
miamispur
06/11/2012 16:55:00
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g.roberts, lovely post re.ajax and developing our academy long-term. I thought this was the whole idea, with AVB being one of the most highly sought after young managers in the world with a brand new training facility, stadium on its way etc. Like you said, too many idiots who want instant success. Very frustrating, but yet very predictable. Compare that to Brendan Rogers at Liverpool who is doing exactly the same long-term project yet despite their results being much worse than ours so far, the Scouse fans are much more knowledgeable, patient and appreciative. As i said, very frustrating, but what can you do? The Tottenham fans are just a bunch of Tony Rich's sniping away at AVB until he finally gets the boot. Typical Spurs. No idea how to build something special over time.
StillRickyVilla
06/11/2012 17:00:00
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i dont think that we are a negative side in the slightest. but key injuries will always mean that teams come on to us more. an coops welcome back son! agree with what you say as well. why are people even assuming we are in a crisis?? we are joint fourth an beat united away playing teams that avb prob would never pick if he got who he wanted in the transfer window an if we didnt have as many injuries.
BrooksySpurs
06/11/2012 17:02:00
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People say we are not as good as last season - yet ignore the fact that BAE, King, Kaboul, Parker, Modric, VDV, Ade have not been in this season's team. Thats a loss of 64% of last year's first team! And on top of that Dembele and Sandro (on Saturday) injured and Dempsey/Siggy are new and still settling in and without doubt downgrades in quality anyway. There is no manager alive who would suddenly get a team of strangers playing world-beating football. Look at QPR!! I despair at Tottenham fans i really do.
StillRickyVilla
06/11/2012 17:07:00
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SAf went through all this sort of $hit when he first took over mna U and they couldn't string results together. Now look at him 28 yes TWENTY EIGHT years later. If the boo boys there had been listened to back then, they would not be one of the most successful clubs in Europe today. Give AVB a chance and I am pretty sure he will come good. He has a certain philosophy of football which has to be learned by the players, he is learning his trade as well, so what better to take over Spurs who are potentially on the cusp of being a regular top 3/4 team and learning with them. He can't be that rubbish if he is one of the most sought after managers in Europe. It just seems that because we don't get INSTANT success some people are crying for his head. Instant sucdcess is the same as instant mash, fluffy and unfullfilling, look what has happened at man city, There are rumours of bust ups between mancini and players the team is performing nowhere as well as last season. Maybe because they have been found out to be pretty one dimensional BECAUSE of that almost instant success, they haven't had time to evolve and develop into a team with character and finesse which is what we need to do. It will take more than just one season may be even up to three or so but with a solid foundation we can build over the next couple of seasons and be back where we belong, up the pointy end of the table. I for one am willing noit to for AVB's head, but we must see the board backing him with right sort of finance and backing development given to AVBt as well as a fairly constant flow of improvement all round. If this doesn't happen then it is the board and the chairman who are at fault and must take the blame, not AVB. He can only work with what he is given and imho so far he hasn't done too bad a job considering.
chrishove123
06/11/2012 17:26:00
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StillRickyVilla......thanks very much.at the start of the season i remember being slated for even suggesting that if we finish mid-table this season but some of our younger players start to break through then i would be happy as we would have something to build on and AVB just might be the man take us forward on a long term basis.two steps back,3 steps forward etc....manure were another example.ferguson was on the brink of being sacked,but built a squad of players that dominated for 5-8 seasons and half of those players were under 22.2 of which are still playing and are legends up there.remember that famous alan hansen quote "you don't win anything with kids"?he was right to a certain extent as those kids went on to win EVERYTHING.granted i can't see that happening again at man u as they now buy young players and there is too much at stake,but wouldn't it be great if this happened to us...?unfortunately i can now see AVB being hounded out by the end of the season.either by the boo-boys or by the under-minding of levy or both.sad but possibly true.
g. roberts testes
06/11/2012 17:29:00
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chrishove12....kinda spooky that we're on the same wave length like this.
g. roberts testes
06/11/2012 17:31:00
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