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The Table Doesn't Lie

As I write this I'm looking at the league table. Earlier in the season we recordeded an epic victory at Old Trafford, United now have 27 points to our 17.

We sit one point ahead of Arsenal and one point behind West Ham. Does this show United are almost twice as good as we are or West Ham are a better team than us or Arsenal? Of course not, what it does show is Ferguson and Allardyce understand how a league competition works and what is required from their teams.

A league works on brutally simple maths, a win at home against QPR is worth the same as a win at Old Trafford, the prizes go to teams that can grind out results regardless of how they are playing. We just don't seem to get that. Over the thirty odd years I've been going to White Hart Lane dropping points against teams we should beat has been the norm, not the exception. Its as if there is something in the club's DNA that abhors organisation and efficiency, relying instead on individual brilliance.

Unfortunately when you are competing against teams that have a lot more cash than you buying success is simply not possible. Whatever you offer a player the other guy can always offer more, you're always getting the left overs. Even producing your own stars has its limitations, as they reach their peak other clubs will start turning their heads with offers we can't match. So if you don't have discipline, organisation and the right attitude you can't win a league.

After every setback we have discussions about individual players, for me more worrying has been looking at the team as a whole. When we have dropped points against opposition we should have beaten easily the team has often looked clueless, seemingly with no gameplan, no idea of what they were trying to do. The attitude has often been negative, on occasions we have taken the lead only to drop off and invite pressure from the other team rather than killing the game off. Its not enough to have good players, you need a good team.

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Date:Monday November 12 2012

Time: 3:32PM

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JattYid
Do we want a sugar daddy or do we do this the "honourable" way?
chrishove123
It Mid November under new management, new system, new players, several out injured, we 3 points of 3-4th place....the table doesnt lie so i dont understand the point to this article??? Where do you expect us to be top of the table ahead of moneybags chavski/city and United??? Table doesnt lie come January Feb thats when you should be asking questions
JattYid
I've got news for chrisshove their is no honorable way left. Leave the front page for 5mins and read the open forum piece titled The depressing reality facing clubs like Spurs.
spurdon
I'm optimistic. We are near the top 4 and having only played well for 45 mins against Man U. AVB is currently using players and a system he doesn't really want. We will finish 5th and strengthen in the summer.
Tactically Challenge
Good article that I agree with. What a contrast to the previous lame entry.
Moscovite
....WELL. The table DOES lie in terms of results (performances are another matter) If you compare like-for-like results with last season, it is this season: 11 points, and last season 13 points (obviously ignoring Reading and Southampton results - which were 2 away wins). 2 points worse off? We are however SEVEN points lower than this stage last season. We are also FIVE points lower than AVB's first 11 games at Chelsea (for what he got sacked). And we are not performing well...
TonyRich
We can do it honourably if we get our hands on the promising youth. More Bales and Caulker types. They come cheap and we can nurture them until they're ready to compete with the likes of the Citys and Chelseas of the world
spurring you on
I thought I was the ONLY one that could see what jod means in his 3rd paragraph! Brutal truth boys, read & learn.

Spuds-U-Like
TonyRich - sorry. 11 plays 14 last season in like for like results...3 points worse off... One win....maybe...
TonyRich
Our best hope at the moment is that the others continue to look bad....I think this is the worst PL for sometime. None of the big guns are really firing so in that respect we're not alone...just hope we can find some form and overtake Everton, West ham and West Brom....the NLD is massive! A win there and the confidence will come back...note to AVB we must get at their back line!!!....
shedboy2
"spurring you on" - Bale cost 5 mill from Southamption. Southampton now have Lallana, who looks pretty good, 24, plenty of assists, takes set-pieces, Now has EPL experience and is their captain. They ARE there for the picking.
TonyRich
To "nurture them" we should have an established env with a working organisation and clear view on the style of play where they can prosper. Perhaps you confuse us with Arsenal?
Moscovite
with the way we played so far we don't deserve Champions League. Everton deserve the spot for now, but things could change until the end of the season.
logos8
I think we have the 5th best 1st team in the league, but our squad as a whole is no better than Fulham in terms of cover for key positions.
Guyver
Agreed TonyRich. For a club with moderate finances, top scouting is surely the way to go. Why we don't yet have a top-notch scouting system set up is beyond me tbh
spurring you on
they are talking about us on talksport. NOW
logos8
and due to injuries, suspensions, poor form, you almost never have your 1st team available.
Guyver
Moscovite - that is exactly what we need though mate. If AVB is to stay (and for continuity sake I hope he does) then every element of the scouting to the training must be tailored to suit his system. If we are talking about Fergie/Wenger levels of continuity, AVB's system must be stamped all over the club. The scouting will follow this, and I reckon with a decent DOF, spotting young players who can fit the system will not be all that difficult, especially when we can do it from our computer screens! But if AVB is NOT a long-term prospect, then why bother
spurring you on
And Lallana is ENGLISH....
TonyRich
I say if you're gonna gamble, go all in when you have Ace pair! I think AVB wil come good, he's not a dumb lackey
spurring you on
The brutal truth is that you need a squad of high quality players who earn so much that they put up with rotation and are happy to accept a medal for minimal contribution. Only a few can afford that and that is what is destroying the competition. FFP must break the vicious circle but somehow I doubt if it will.
Love totty
the brutal truth is we cnnot compete in this league if you are looking at us being 3rd or above. the money men have that sewn up. So 4th is the best we can do and for that we need a united manager, club, supporters and players. We have none. Half the fans never wanted HR to go, half the fans did. Half of those wanted AVB, half of those didnt. Half the fans have ridiculous expectations, half the fans are realistic. We're doomed whichever way you look at it. Top 6 each season is what we are and what we shall continue to be. Football is dying in front of our very eyes.
jimmy-yid
That only makes sense if AVB is not a flop himself. You wouldn't want a long term prospect to be a failure, would you? I agree with the idea of continuity in principle, the question however did we get the right guy? So far nothing suggests that. Many would say it's quite the opposite.
Moscovite
Right getting annoyed with all the AVB bashing. 1) We are missing last years spine. King, Kaboul, Parker, Modric, VDV, Adebayor. We have had two games from them all season, the ones departed haven't been replaced. Not AVBs fault. 2) We have had additional injuries which has cocked us up something rotten. Kaboul, Dembele, Adebayor, Benni, to name but a few. Not AVBs fault. 3) The media is on our back more than ever. This is never good for team morale, can't be good for the manager himself. Its not good for anyone. Period. Not AVBs fault. 4) THE FANS HAVE BEEN *****E. The atmosphere at WHL has been poor. Ranting and raving and booing when things aren't going right - even when things aren't that badly wrong. It's so poor. If we don't score in the first 10 minutes then it starts. Its no suprise our away form is better than our home form. Not AVBs fault. Also, in relation to this article, I checked our results this term against last year. To cut a long story short, if we had beaten Wigan like we should have then we would be on exactly the same points and goals as last year. (Note for the Reading game I replaced them with Bolton away, and for the Soton game I replaced them with Blackburn away). If we had beaten Wigan we would be on 20 points and 5th. There really isn't a lot wrong bar a thin squad. Levy must invest in January otherwise it makes him a farce. But I tell you this - I prefer AVB to old saggy face any day.
sebbaspurs
I really hope you are right, SYO, but the evidence so far is to the contrary. His appointment was an unnecessary gamble in my view, given the experience he had at Chelski, and our own daliences with Ramos, Santini and Gross. Most of us have supported Spurs for more years than we care to remember despite the dashed hopes and expectations. For me performance is everything, beating inferior teams and giving the better ones a run for their money. I'm not sure AVB gets that and perhaps that's why he was appointed. Will the WHL crowd accept ground out results?
Love totty
Levy will never invest because his orders are to pocket profit. Yes we have spent money historically, that that should be considered as sowing to reap a financial harvest, not progress in the league. I know HR was already out in DL's eyes but a few proper players (not a semi-retired Kiwi CB and an almost (read should be) retired striker in Saha and we'd be streets ahead of where we are today, with or without HR. For some reason Levy doesn't want it. It's not in the business plan.
Cape Town Spurs
Ignor them Logos8, its only Durham riding his current hobby horse. The muppet can't come up with anything original so he jumps on any passing bandwagon.

Spuds-U-Like
Off topic but I Had a great tour round the Millenium Stadium with the missus yesterday and saw a certain Mr. Gareth Bale's Wales shirt hanging up in his spot in the Wales home changing room all ready for him to wear in his next game for them.
chrishove123
replace 2 world class players with sigurdsen and dempsey - in the words of (what's his name?)" you;re having a laugh"
Cape Town Spurs
and no, not Ricky Gervais, the character
Cape Town Spurs
spurring you on My thoughts exactly, we CAN do it the honourable way but it is going to be a damn long hard haul, the thing is when/IF the fair finance thing is taken seriously by FIFFA and the FA THEN we will have a good chance again because we will be on a more level playing field.
chrishove123
spurdon That is just one person's pesimistic point of view mate and I make a point of not believing the hype, so even though you may want to look at it as all doom and gloom and we have no future I won't have it like that. Sorry but I think that it's just bull$hit to say t6hat sort of thing. The future IS bright the future IS LILLYWHITE.
chrishove123
The table only tells the story in May, when all teams have met home AND away.
Tottenham Hotcore
Good posts JimmyYid and Sebbasspurs. Your banging your head against a brick wall though. Fans want success, and they want it now! Regardless of how unrealistic!
StillRickyVilla
TonyRich - You've got it the wrong way round mate, the table DOESN'T lie in terms of results, the results are the pure mathematics, they cannot be manipulated and there is no disputing mathematics.
Hot_Spur
TonyRich, the last 11 games of last season yielded 16 points. The first 11 games of this season has yielded 17 points. Considering the downgrade in quality of our team (for which you have to blame Levy) i don't know how anybody would expect a sudden upturn in form? To keep the results about the same as we ended last year is a mini-achievement in my opinion.
StillRickyVilla
Bloody hell Darren Gough is actually sticking up for AVB on talk sport.
chrishove123
Moscovite I don't see anything yet to say we HAVEN'T got the right guy.
chrishove123
We've been crying out for a TOP class striker for years now, adebayor on the cheap is good business but only if we supplement it with marquee signing. What's been said about the fans is unfortunately true, Thursday was awesome but that is the exception. We need to get behind them, 3 or 4 wins on the spin and we'd easily be in the top 4.
T.H.F.Chris
Andre Villas Boas constrictor. LOL
chrishove123
Look, we had an absolute purple patch about this time last year. Modric, VDV, Bale, Lennon, Ade, Parker - they were all playing out of their skins, it was wonderful, wonderful football. A joy to watch. We had King and Kaboul at the back. BAE at his best. Everything came together it was fantastic. Things are different this season. We have had nowhere near the same quality out there playing. Give it time. We need our players back and a PROPER couple of replacements signed. If this time next year we have a team like Lloris, BAE, Verts, Kaboul, Naughton, Sandro, Moutinho, Dembele, Bale, Ade and we are STILL not performing then we need to seriously look at AVB. But until then, can we quit the premature AVB bashing (fat chance I know!).
StillRickyVilla
It was jungle players and managers on talk sopor4t
chrishove123
lol.....i've not seen enough to say we HAVE got the RIGHT guy..i.e..avb. "i'm sorry jermaine (defoe)....i know you scored a hattrick in the last spurs game..but for the sake of the team, i'm leaving you out today"...( for a player that recently missed a penalty).
82spursdebut
Love tottyI would far rather win a ground out result every week than lose with flamboyant, pretty, stylish football. A win is a win and winning gets us points. Losing in style doesn't, so if it is a choice of losing in style more often than not or grinding out wins more often than not I think the WHL faithful would probably go for the wins.
chrishove123
Tottenham Hotcore got it right, the league table doesn't lie at the end of the season, but it often does in November. And as for Lallana, an off form Walker had him in his pocket a few weeks ago.
matt hoten
It's simple you lose HR and get AVB you have downgraded a whole bunch. Add to that losing Modric and getting Dembele you have once again downgraded. Add to that AVB not wanting to keep VdV and replacing him with Dempsey and Siggy and you have yourself a team who was 4th place last season to a taem that is more than likely 8th. Mostly comes down to having a clueless head coach in AVB. I am shocked at how bad of a coach he is simply shocked. He is bottom table coach in the 2nd division.
RagingSpur
Blame it on the goose Got you feeling loose Blame it on Patron Got you in the zone Blame it on the a a andre villas boassss Blame it on the a a andre villas boassss
RagingSpur
if i could have one tip i could give to avb, that is possible. i would suggest he has eyes in the stands above the pitch, that could relay messages to avb during the game. That's me assuming he hasn't already got that happening. Sherwood / ferdinand did it for harry..to quote a recent event.
82spursdebut
Raging your anti AVB rants have got really boring. yes we get it YOU HATE AVB and want him out. You LOVE HR and want him back, but do you have to keep banging on about the same old (rap all the time?
chrishove123
Ray Charles could do no worse coaching us over AVB.
RagingSpur
Chris, I'm very anti-AVB and very pro-Spurs and I'm tired of watching us go backwards and not the slightest sign of improvement from the start of the year.
RagingSpur
Raging I suppose OSF NEVER lost to imferior teams, was a brilliant master tactician and never managed any sort ofcollapses towards the end of two consecutive seasons. I also assume he never took his eye off the game when the media and no one else in the footballing world (apart from his wonderful self) was touting him as the next England flop, sorry manager. I also assume he NEVER pi$$ed players off so much they wanted to leave WHL, he was never a media whore saying just what the red top rags wanted to hear and to hell with the good of the club. He never refused a new contract in expectation of another job, showing exactly where his loyalties lay (to himself and not in any way shape or form to the club that was paying him). He never froze out any of our top players or destroyed any 'keeper's confidence resulting in their careers being trashed, he NEVER brought in old passed it or nearly over the hill players as a quick fix solution who we couldn't sell on instead of bringing in good younger players. Not ONCE did he disrespect the fans, the club or the chairman No I nor anyone else could possibly conceive of any of the above scenarios involving the wonderful, gracious, loyal, unbiased, honest as the day is long non tax cheating, cz we all know the only reason he didn't get done was cz he paid loads of dosh to some very clever people to get him off the hook, (allegedly). Yes he was an all round first class manager who was going to go on to take us to the greatest heights we had ever seen at WHL.
chrishove123
We would have ended up relegated and bankrupt if HR had stayed.
chrishove123
Chris, Go on defend AVB all you want but you will turn your head to him soon to come as well. He had 0 qualifications to manage a PL side but Chelsea gave him a chance a team who won the title the year before him and ended up in 6th the season he came in. How do you justify that on a team who was never that bad! Now we may have lost some players but we are going from 4th to probably 8th! How much time does this schmuck need? I don't have the patience because the truth is I don't think he needs time I think he will be just as bad with time as he is today.
RagingSpur
Chris, Relegated and bankrupt? Would we? Sure, I'm so positive that Levy and Co. would let that happen. Please do yourself a favor and say you didn't like HR but he was never going to put us in that kind of danger because management above wouldn't allow it to happen. He has no control of finances on request on players coming in and going out! So to point fingers on HR for such things is ridiculous. Go on and keep crying about HR who got us QF of CL and two 4th place finishes and a 5th. Go on and praise the almighty AVB who will probably finish this year 8th and just keep saying give him time and see that we get nowhere under him.
RagingSpur
RagingSpur, you do understand posts like Sebbaspurs' post? You do understand that this is a DIFFERENT team, a DIFFERENT set of circumstances? And that you cannot possibly judge someone who has inherited the mess Redknapp left (bloated, de-motivated squad, players wanting out) and Levy left (best players sold, average replacements found, no proper Top 4 investment) until they have at the very least had a season and some of his own players signed. I am genuinely asking because i really don't understand you and others' AVB bashing at this early stage? Its so counter-productive having half a club's fans constantly sniping away at the manager. I really genuinely don't get it. Surely if you want Spurs to be successful it would be better to give the whole club 100% support for a season and see where it takes us? The worse thing that can happen is you are proven right, but believe me its a much more enjoyable experience being positive and supporting the club than being constantly sniping and negative. Having a divided club will always lead to failure. I don't get it.
StillRickyVilla
Nor did SAF when he went to manure, it took him a while to get things going thewre and he was even being treated the same as AVB is now to the extent that he was very nearly given the boot. So does that make SAF a (rap manager still who could be out done by Stevie Wonder. You really have4 no idea do you.
chrishove123
Chris, We are just going to have to disagree mate. We can both root for the same team but we are not going to see eye for eye here. I have no faith in the direction we are going and while HR may not have been the great coach in history he was one of our best ever. I feel we have downgraded and while some love AVB's youth he has no promise to ever fill out and be a top coach either. His success came in a two team league who plays in CL consistently and the year he won Europa they happened to not qualify. Porto finished 1st 9 out of the last 11 years I think. His resume looks good but his results at Chelsea and WHL are not anything I would tout as great. He has had now over a year in the PL and it doesn't look as he has improved at the slightest. So I don't feel time is going to help him because his tactics are not something crazy and infact we have played the same style from week 1 to today and it has failed when we thought it would and it has worked on the road but we have looked like a good team 10% of this season.
RagingSpur
You are comparing AVB to SAF? That's like comparing Tom Carroll to Messi! What SAF did has not happened many times since then so you are really throwing a hail mary and wishing for a miracle.
RagingSpur
ˇI repeat you are saying almost exactly the same things that were being said about SAF in his first two seasons at manure. I know we will probably never see eye to eye over this unless AVB gets us top four and wins the CL this season but please try and show some positive support for the club as a whole instead of just bashing the manager. I would beg to differ about HR being one of the best. George graham was more successful, so was Ramos if we look at the stats because they both won silverware HR won NOTHING for us. Not very good was he.
chrishove123
I am genuinely interested in what the boo-boys think they achieve by dividing our club, constantly sniping and moaning at matches and generally creating a poisonous atmosphere. I want to know. I mean, if AVB is crap how bad is Wenger?! Below us in the table, playing worse than us. The whole AVB-bashing thing so early on by our OWN fans is utterly ridiculous. But the boo-boys want to ignore everything and just snipe away - as i said, i don't get it.
StillRickyVilla
StillRicky, Don't take a job you can't make the best out of. His situation at Chelsea on Day 1 was amazing. He took over a great side and had resources to buy players. A couple months later he lost faith from all the players and Abramovich. He destroyed a Chelsea side and now he gets a chance at Tottenham! He doesn't have near the amount of money to spend and he has a good squad but not title. That being said he let VdV go and he took the signings of Demsey and Sig! This is slowly his side and don't give me the bull***. I have no sorrow for the situation he is in this side is better than this and AVB is slowly ruining my club.
RagingSpur
Chris, I support the club but I do not support the manager and will not back him until he does something. I'm so tired of the comparisons to SAF situation because since that it has happened 0 times ever for a coach to do what SAF did...so no I have no faith in that miracle happeneing
RagingSpur
The fact that it was Chelsea that wanted AVB must say something about him and he was not given enough time. The fact that Leicester, Blackburn, probably QPR, may be Latvia wanted HR tells you all you need to know him, the chauffeur and the jock. With HR the lower teams would just watch us play pretty pretty football in midfield, smoke their cigars and wait for us in the last third. The top teams would take us apart. Bale was great and then was found out so HR got him to aimlessly wander about. VDV run around in home games and fecked about in away games. I wanted Brendan Rodgers but I am more than happy with AVB
matt hoten
vdv wanted to go for his wife, so why keep him? it was the best time to cash in some decent money because he was going anyway.
logos8
RagingSpur You just refuse to see the whole picture don't you. When SAF was first at manure how could anyone know what he would go on to do. AVB's start parallels SAF's start at manure and so does what is being said about AVB by people like yourself. if they had been listened to then SAF wouldn't be where he is now. He would have gone abroad and done great things there. I sup[pose you do know that we were his second choice behind manure abd then he would have got it in the neck from fans with your attitude here and may have been driven out. THAT is what I am saying, so who is to say that AVB can't go on to great things HERE.
chrishove123
Raging, i'm clearly not going to get anything sensible from you, so i'll give up. Thanks for proving how brainless the boo-boys are. At least i understand from that mindless drivel where you are coming from - can't even be bothered to reply. You carry on mate - its guys like YOU who are ruining the club mate.
StillRickyVilla
logos8 I've tried pointing that out numerous times recently but people just don't want to know. He wanted OUT so we sold him. His wife worked in Germany he wanted to be with his wife, it's not rocket science and if he had been forced to stay like Modders we would hve had another sulky player wasting on the bench eating up money with his high wages.
chrishove123
Big C, but your post there is a fairly balanced post. I agree with most of it. I too am open-minded on AVB. NOBODY knows whether he'll be a success or not. What we DO know is he needs to be given a chance - at the very least a season. What has really got my blood boiling is a sizeable section of the fan-base who WANT AVB to fail. They never wanted AVB. They believe everything they read about the Chelsea episode and decided AVB was crap before he started. That's whats annoying me. Believe me he WILL NOT be successful with the fans acting like this. It divides clubs, the media latch on to it then the players start talking amongst themselves. Before you know it, the dressing rooms gone and we have to make ANOTHER change. I don't think fans realise the power we have. A rocking WHL and we win 9 times out of 10 and everyone's happy - i don't understand why fans don't try for that? Even in the modern game a lot of it is in OUR hands still.
StillRickyVilla
big cockeral Nice to see you giving a critical look at things instead of the rants that some on here give. I agree we need a DOF and he needs at least one season maybe two to get things the way he wants them. He has a game plan for the long term and he was probably told that if he stuck to it the club would support him in it, but it looks like the club (Levy?) have reneged on that support. Maybe we will see a change of heart come the Jan transfer window and Levy will shell out. Rodgers has started playing hardball with liverpool and has been told he will get the cash to splash in Jan so AVB may have to do the same thing. If he was promised certain things which have not been delivered maybe he should threaten to walk and sue for compensation. That being a financial matter may make Levy sit up and take notice.
chrishove123
SRV - you live in a dreamworld. Confidence and trust are not givens, they have to be nurtured. AVB had buckets of goodwill from the fans, the staff he appointed and the players desperate to believe in him. So far he has not produced performances that have created the momentum needed to build on all that. Things cannot stand still, if you don't build you crumble, it's just the way of things. I'm not so pessimistic as Raging but I see where he is coming from. You're like a little boy blowing out his candles and making a wish.
Love totty
Chris - if I was Levy I wouldn't give AVB a penny piece until he showed he knows what's he's doing with what he's got. My hope was that we would be well the running for 4th come Xmas and able to persuade the likes of Mouthino to join for CL next year. If that isn't on, Levy has a decision to make.
Love totty
Lets see whether the table is showng us what many of you want, and wish it to do, by Christmas. We have far harder fixtures in front of us, than we have played so far, we are currently 7th, so where will we be come then, will the revolution be in tatters, never mind in transition.
Frank
I think we're speculating that the summer buys were not AVB's...does anyone know for sure? As for the comparison with SAF, he was only managing the richest club in the country and appointed because they slumped to fourth, at the same time an outstanding crop of talent came through their ranks and he didn't fail at the club just prior to Manu- not much of a comparison...what about if we'd given Juande more time? there seems more similarities there. Fact is he's had a window, a full pre-season and 17 competitive games. We need to start clicking or he'll need to go....I don't want to see us finish in 10th this year and then see another summer window cock up, that'll put us back another few years....if we're going to back him it should be on the 1st of January, not fecking about till 31st, the players will only settle by the end of the season...
shedboy2
Lovetotty, i refer you to SebbaSpurs post but we are going around in circles. OK lets just let the boo-boys win. Lets all sit around sniping and moaning. If we really try we can really get that poisonous atmosphere going next match at WHL. That's sure to help the situation. Its the only way a true Spurs fan knows how to play it!
StillRickyVilla
What is all this honourabe crap, are we Spurs a PL fotball club or Corinthian Casuals a gentlemen's club, never going to win anything but keeping a stiff upper lip and remembering we're British. It is 2013, not 1895, the "honour" is in winning, not in denying yourself the opportunity. I would love see a new owner come and competitively fund us to get back amongst the winners.
Frank
SRV - I'm only poking you because you said you were leaving a week or so ago, but then didn't. LOL.
Love totty
Frank - the only way I could stomach that would be if there was a European Super League where you needed a benefactor to guarantee membership. I just hope that never happens.
Love totty
Agree with Cape Town, we sold two world class players and replaced with avg. raging, you are the reason I stopped bothering to post, but still read articles. Get a grip! Can you not remember the way we were hammered by united and city when Harry was missing a few players! And our form for the first 11 games is better than Harry's last 11 and with an injury ravished squad! Avb sold vdv under the pretence that mouthino would be his replacement not Dempsey!!
spurticus87
SRV- if we perform against Arse (not nec. win) there won't be boo'ing, if we don't and then play badly against Spam....there could be a riot! Can you imagine how the fans would be if we lost to Arse and the Spam??? doesn't bear thinking about.... Frank- we are doing the honourable thing....we are owned by a foreign based 'sugar daddy' billionaire but refusing to let him fund us...otherwise I'm sure he'd lump in with the odd buy, wouldn't he??...;) hmm, I wonder how he makes his money?
shedboy2
good to see Thud get an England call...I don't think he's as bad as some on here give him stick for...so with walker out of the NLD who will be our RB....Naughton or Gallas???
shedboy2
FrankThere are ways of winning and ways of winning, I want us to win without having to go down the route of buying success. ANY team can do that. If you gave Bradford enough cash they'd win the CL. I want us to go on and develop our youth and have them come through OUR system to be great players playing for us. That way we engender club loyalty instead of buying in mercenaries like Modders who go at the first whiff of money.
chrishove123
Injuries have cost us!! Take the spine away from any top 4 team and you will struggle. City - toure, company and Silva. Arsenal - Vermalen, Arteta and Wilshire. Manure - Vidic, Carrick and Cleverly. Chelsea - terry, Hazard and Mata. Take those away from the respective teams and look at the results drop. We are missing 4 first team players. Give AVB a break FFS!!
woodyn17
Shedboy - Hopefully Naughton with Gallas on the bench!!!
woodyn17
OH MY GOODNESS.....reading some of the posts on here is REALLY depressing.....FFS,IS IT REALLY THAT BAD.....IS IT?REALLY?we may as well sack avb now and get harry back as this seems to be the sentiment coming from the doom merchants on here.i tell you what,lets all make banners and placards with 'AVB OUT' on them and go to the spurs ground tomorrow and be done with it.i can understand a bit of pessimism but its like we have written off the entire season already.i read some people banging on about VDV leaving.to my knowledge he wasn't that outstanding last season,couldn't cross or take a free-kick,couldn't last more than 50-60mins in a tottenham shirt (but strangely played 3 full time games for holland during the euros,shop window anyone?), demanded first team football and was banging on about going back to germany BEFORE last season even ended and still i read 'why did AVB let him go?....HE WAS ON HIS WAY NO MATTER WHAT!!!if some of you can't give our manager a bit of leeway and wait til the end of the season before buying into the media bullspit and jumping on the redknapp/hoddle/sky/newspapers' bandwagon then what hope do we have?lets not be sheep and follow whoever has the strongest media opinion,shall we?that's so BAAAAd,(sorry,i couldn't resist that).
g. roberts testes
Funny how the "joke" managers, Ramos and AVB have won five major trophies between them. Must have clowned their way to collecting the trophies. I think given time Ramos would have turned it around and given time and his type of player AVB will get us to top three. Unfortunately if your face doesn't fit with the rag tops and Talksport your job is three times harder. COYS
ItalianYiddo
GRT - you must have a special brain that filters out all the baaad things and leaves you with soft focused images tinged with rose. This is a forum for fans to share their hopes and fears not Santa's grotto where all our wishes come true. I will never ever boo my team or criticise any player for not being above their ability. The manager picks, organises and motivates the team and gets paid lots and lots and lots to be accountable for performance.
Love totty
ItalianYiddoGough was actually bigging up AVB today on talk sport.
chrishove123
ItalianYiddo- no way of knowing if Juande would have made us a succes or relageted us but we didn't take the risk and ended up getting top4...I didn't mind arry going and am not his biggest fan but he was the right man at the right time for us, as was Jol after the other tactical whizz Santini...let's hope we don't need to poach Moyes before january...
shedboy2
Frank, the fact that we never replaced Berba and Keane and as yet Modric is a minus on Levy's achievements book and is costing us dearly. That said I for one don't want a "throw as many millions as it takes" sugar daddy. For me whatever Chelsea and City win is as honourable as any Lance Armstrong win. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Lotty, yep trying to leave! Just doing my bit for the club, thousands read this and are influenced. We need some positivity at the ground on matchdays!
StillRickyVilla
g. roberts testes- it's not that bad, yet. But if you saw that someone was about to fall would you shout a warning or just let it happen?...ps Hoddle can do no wrong...;)
shedboy2
chrishove, was it part of the double act with Durham where one sticks up for someone and the other counter acts to liven up the program?
ItalianYiddo
I liked the fact that AVB gave the young ones a chance. I also like sometimes his tactics and the way he picks players. I am ok with waiting 3 3 seasons to see what he is made off because to be honest we have a lot of injuries that are not helping at all right now... BUT I do have one concern regarding subs. He just makes some subs that I don't agree with and I think the players and most of the fans don't either. i didn't liked it when we appointed him. We needed a change but I would have never gambled with him because he failed miserably at Chelsea and just because he did well in Portugal doesn't mean he can ever have success in the big leagues. But now he is our manager, he is in the same boat with us so we might as well support him as long as we are still in top6. Don't think west ham or wba will finish above us so top 6 is fair enough because our squad is not near what we had with modric, vdv and king. I still hope AVB can surprise us but if we don't support him it will just make his job 3 times harder. We can criticize as long as we want in here, but I just hope that at the matches everybody sings and cheers because the boos are only going to make things worse. COYS
logos8
love totty......er,sorry to break this to you but santa?*whisper* isn't real! i have 20/20 vision so no need for rose-coloured glasses but i do believe some of us/you need to go to spec savers if you can't see the hatchet job being done on AVB.....we are all entitled to our own opinion as i am mine but i have nothing to fear just yet as half our squad are mis.....oh forget it!
g. roberts testes
Juande Ramos could barely speak English
Guyver
shedboy, Ramos is much maligned but from the East Stand where I sit I witnessed him make some outstanding tactical switches. He is a good coach, still earning as a living in the game, he can't be that bad.
ItalianYiddo
shedboy....replace the words "shout a warning" in your post with 'boo'....puts it into perspective don't you think?as for hoddle,he was part of the reason i fell in love with spurs as a kid.a god in my child-like eyes as a player. we all grow up but as our manager....?(even though we did beat the chavs 5-1 under him so i suppose it wasn't all bad).
g. roberts testes
ItalianYiddoNot really, he actually made some good points and seemed genuine in what he was saying for once.
chrishove123
Ramos doesnt seem to have much ambition, looks like he just drifts around europe looking for easy money.
Guyver
Glad to hear it chrishove, all we are asking is that he gets a fair crack of the whip.
ItalianYiddo
Guyver Maybe so but he still started pretty well AND won us a trophy, which HR couldn't do in all his time here. Then again HR couldn't read English.
chrishove123
g. roberts testes- I see the boo replacement....let's hope it doesn't come to that and the fall was actually the start of a jump...wow this metaphor is starting to stretch...hoddle has been away turning around young talent...I wasn't suggesting he come in but we could do worse...of course there isn't a vacancy...;)
shedboy2
yea chrishove, just don't think he's the legacy builder type, more of a "cash over comfort" man it seems.
Guyver
Anyone know the significance of Klinsmann sitting next to Levy for the Maribor game? shedboy2 Maybe Hoddle could come in on our youth development.
chrishove123
Guyver Trouble is we don't seem to have had a legacy builder since Bill Nich, but then again no one has been given the time TO build a legacy. Maybe given time Hoddle could have done itbut his little slip up about disabled people having done something bad in a previous life didn't endear him to many people.
chrishove123
Thought it was to watch Dempsey, but Dempsey didnt start so that wouldnt make much sense.
Guyver
Guyver We wish LOL
chrishove123
yea, i know, not gonna happen :)
Guyver
shedboy......i wasn't suggesting hoddle come back as manager,jeez louise no!just making a point that as a spurs player he could do no wrong but as our manager he wasn't the messiah we all would have liked him to be.he was a bit rubbish to be honest but we did get to the capital/carling/worthington/aldi/lidl/primark/league cup final and beat the chav's under him so every cloud etc.he's in spain or portugal training kids,so good luck to him.he's earned it.the sad reality is that there is no place for him in this modern business AKA football,but i digress.
g. roberts testes
My word how have we gone from 13pts clear in 3rd place, auto CL qualification in the bag, luka signing a new deal and Damiao on his way to this. 7th place and dropping like a stone after having played Wigan, Norwich, Southampton, Reading and WBA so far : (
mattspurs1982
All the space of just over 6 months too!
mattspurs1982
our kids seem to being doing well...I think Falque is ready to step up 2 goals tonight, carroll getting an assist...
shedboy2
Building a football club starts from the top and whilst I'm sure Mr Levy is very intelligent and great with numbers he is not a football man, he needed to bring in a David Dein type person into the football club years ago, someone who could plan our managerial appointments and have some kind of vision as to where the club is going whilst Levy counts his pennies.
MrSpurs
mattspurs.....this is what happens when your best player wants out and gets out,your chairman doesn't invest in the right players at the right time,a new manager has half his first team missing for quite sometime while trying to play different systems and a large section of fans don't understand why we're not in the top 3.....reality check,wakey-wakey!
g. roberts testes
mattspursThism is what happens when you appoint redknap as manager, he leaves the team in turmoil and dispirited.
chrishove123
I guess the ultimate blame lays at Levy's door when we didn't spend in Jan and we added Saha and Nelsen : (
mattspurs1982
As I said when we first signed Saha. Sahahahahaha
chrishove123
HR did a good job, he took us from you know where to two 4th spot finishes! Las season unfotunately with the court case, courting the England job and losing 3rd place ultimately turned into his downfall! Levy was probably right not to back him in January as with the court case still pending nobody knew the outcome and whether he would still be able to manage the club short and long term. Know with AVB, he needs to be given atleast this season to get the squad on side and playing as he wants them to and also a couple more windows to bring in what he feels is necessary. Definetly ball in Levy's court now to back the manager he choose to bring in after sacking what had been a good manager for the club overall during his tenure! Its not only AVB who is on trial this season its also Levy and the board, they brought him in they have to back him properly!!!!!
El Jefe
The table cannot lie. A lucky win against QPR and Man Utd. Poor performances against WBA Norwich, Wigan. Injuries to key players. Poor team selections, poor use of substitutes. Dempsey was again a ball watcher on Sunday, he is just not in it, until he can prove his worth both he and Sigurdsson should be omitted. William Hill still taking bets on AVB ????
allancomeonyouspurs
El Jefeoh come on, HR presided over one of the most spectacular end of season collapses going. he blew it twice. You can't blame the England job speculation on his failings. If he had been a true professional he would have just kept his mouth shut, his head down and got on with the job in hand. managing Spurs. But NO he started to believe his own hype when everyone knew he wasn't going to get the job because Brooking said very early on that he was not the man for the job. He then had the arrogance to turn down an offered contract because his red top buddies carried on spouting all that rubbish about how he should be the next England manager. TWO years running he blew CL for us NO EXCUSES he ddi nothing in the endapart from ruin what could have been something special because what he built was nothing but a house of cards which fell down at the slightest gust of wind, and may i say the wind was from his own rear end.
chrishove123
El Jefe I fully agree that AVB NEEDS at least a season to be able to give it a good go. My last post is am cririsism of you saying that HR did a good job, I really don't feel he diod. When he first came here I thought he would do well abd backed him but after his disastrous failings to get us CL with the squad he had that's when i felt he had to go, he also brought the clubs name into disgrace with the court case which IMHO had a very dubious outcome,I think he should have had the good grace to have resigned when the was prosecuted
chrishove123
Do not agree Chris, he did a good job overall, the only manager to ever get us a CL spot and remember many have tried and failed. Jol should have got it but for Lasagne-gate, but then should've, would've, could've - fact is HR got us there once and only by some minor Chelski miracle did he not get us there again. Sure we had some good players but many a time the likes of Modders, VDV etc went missing in the big matches hence our poor return in such games and King was never a guaranteed starter with his obvious problems. HR had his failings but overall was a good tenure and should be respected as such IMHO!
El Jefe
Chris with regards to the court case, thats a different matter all together.
El Jefe
The one true big game player we had and have IMHO is Bale. Modders and VDV were quality but never really produced against the big boys (well to be fair VDV had a couple of good games against Arse in his 1st season), in fact the first time we got CL Modders was missing most of the season! Bale has scored against all the top teams, City, Utd, Arse, Chelski, etc and put in MOM performances against all of them, not the case with the other two. King was also a shadow of his former self under HR, still very good but not the player he once had been and also not very reliable given his injuries. Inspite of this HR was still able to get two top 4 spots - so IMHO commendable!
El Jefe
El Jefe Sorry but it wasn't due to chelski winning it was due to HR losing a 12 point lead over le arse or had you forgotten how far in front we were in third place, sitting pretty and inline for automatic qualification had he not, as I say, presided over the most spectacular collapse in probably our whole history. As you say should have could have, but he didn't because he just wasn't good enough when the chips were down, If he hadn't got CL that ONE season then he would have been out even earlier. Jol would have got us CL with the squad HR had, almost ANY manager would have, at that time he had some of the best in the Prem including King which, Modders Benny VDV and Gomes, so saying he got us CL for that one season is like saying my rowing boat flats on the water, SO IT BLOODY WELL SHOULD and SO HE BLOODY WELL SHOULD HAVE, the thing is he SHOULD have got it for us the following season as well but he couldn't. He ended up ruining everything in the end. Have you also forgotten how he slagged us (including your good self) off this is as good as it gets, the fans are idiots? Yeah great manager,not.
chrishove123
That all said, he did himself no favours last season with regards to courting the England job and after the support the club and fans gave him with the court case like you say should have kept quiet and got on with the SPURS job!
El Jefe
El Jefe with the court case he got caught out and found out he just got off with what he did because he had the money to buy his way off using damn good lawyers. He got found out as a manager as well but he couldn't buy his way out of that one so it was bye bye HR. and Good riddance.
chrishove123
Chris - he might well actually have a point even though we do not like it, CL qualification might well be as good as it gets under Levy and unless and until a Sugar Daddy takes over!
El Jefe
Chris its all a matter of opinion, personally I feel he did a good job! Even with good tools you have to know how to use them, just as being a good craftsman you will still find it difficult to produce a good job with poor/average tools, etc.
El Jefe
HR had a top 4 squad and got top 4 twice, but ship still needed steering. AVB currently has a possible/arguable top 4 1st team but certainly not a top 4 squad hence why with all these injuries we are in the main being found out! All IMHO of course!
El Jefe
BTW nice to pass an otherwise boring Monday night debating with you!
El Jefe
El Jefen but we hadn't qualified yet then.
chrishove123
El Jefe Thanks. I can see where you are coming from but sometimes a ship can steer itself to a certain extent, I still feel that any manager could have done just as well without trying very hard and most would have done better with the squad HR had. Still all this is just speculation and we will never know unless of course you have access to Dr. Who's TARDIS. LOL
chrishove123
I'm watching Dad's army atm and saw a poster on the drill hall wall which struck me as rather pertinent to our position now. It had a picture of Churchill on it and the caption was ........ Let us go forward together.
chrishove123
Chris fair enough he said it before actually getting it (cannot remember but happily trust you on it), but it does ring true when many things considered. How can we compete against City, Chelski, Utd? Example being someone on here recently quoted me that we had an offer of something like 12m accepted for Oscar in the summer only then for Chelski to come along and blow us out of the water with double the bid and atleast no doubt double the wages! I am not complaining about it because that is life, but have to accept and recognise that it is not a level playing field and we simply cannot compete or at best will struggle very, very hard to do so. Even Arse with the big stadium and constant CL footy can attract players we would like to have and can also afford relatively higher wages, not top, top wages but decent wages and they struggle also! Cazorla would have been a great signing instead of Demps or Siggy or both but would he have come? We could certainly afford the transfer fee and I reckon would have been willing to pay it but would be willing to pay the wages even though IMHO we could actually afford them (especially as the combined salaries of Demps and Siggy are for sure higher than what Caz is getting over the road)?
El Jefe
Agree Chris, should be all in it together and I for one am supporting AVB even if there is a bit of biased here with being half Portuguese and also a Porto follower!
El Jefe
I think what I am getting at with the long 2nd from last post is that Levy and the board now need to back AVB fully especially in the transfer windows and bring in what he wants, naturally and of course within justifiable reason! Moutinho and a top striker in January would not be out of the question IMHO, but remains to be seen what happens. Lennon also needs eventual replacing if we really mean business, although would keep him as an important member of the squad.
El Jefe
El Jefe,I too fully support AVB and am able to see that he needs time, and for the injured players to be back before anything dramatic can happen. I really hope he gets the time and succeeds. Thing is, in some of the interviews, he does look like a man under pressure, still i suppose it goes with the job and he is handling it pretty well so far so i can see the probability of a bright future with AVB if only the snipers would shut up . It's been good chatting mate all passion and no insults, that's how it should be. I've got to go to bed now cz i've got a job interview first thing in the morning. Once again thanks . Take care mate and good night.
chrishove123
You too mate, was thinking the same thing had a long day and want to get some kip soon. All the best of luck for tommorow with the job interview, hope you get it!!!!! Thanks again, Carlos.
El Jefe
I agree with the title of the article. The table does not lie. WE ARE DOING OK considering the players we've sold and the players out injured with a new manager and new playing system. Still happy I am.
Madaboutspurs
reading the title and then reading the debate about Redknapp....the table doesn't lie, he got us 4th, there are many valid reasons he's not here anymore but the the facts say 4th....some people say we can't compete with City, Chelski and Manu because of the finances (I dis-agree with that) so how many steps backward do we have to take so that we stand still?....
shedboy2
chrishove123- good luck.....don't forget to ask for the job!
shedboy2
I read a post on another website and the more I think about it the better it gets, get a load of this!!! Saints beat QPR, QPR sack Hughes, HR replaces Hughes, HR buys Defoe, Hudd, Dawson, Gallas, Friedel in January and we buy Moutinho, Willian and some cover at the back. QPR get 15th in the league HR is the hero for saving Spurs again!!! And I simple add, Ragingspur becomes a QPR fan.....EVERYONE IS A WINNER :)
yiddyboy
Nice posts El Jefe - Still there are people in denial about HR ha. Even with that epic fail at the end of last season....where he got us..oh yeah 4th. Unbelievable ha. He did do a good job, was good for us at the time. Over the 4 years he was here it pretty much kicked off the end of the 'old top4 teams'. AVB is a massive step to take and can take up onwards and upwards (self steering ship my arse). He does need time, with a full team hopefully for the new year we might be in a good position to play a full strength squad. All the players back wont need to rest but can actually up it a gear or two to A get in the team and B to build momentum and get on a winning run. Levy does need to back AVB in Jan, but we cant just rely on that. It should be a case off adding to the talented side we already have. AVB Im sure can get back to winning ways. The table is opening right up atm. COYS.
SpursOne2
yiddyboy- I can see Harry going to QPR so it might not be too far off...but we'll say we were in for Moutinho and willian and end up with a lightweight replica player....
shedboy2
Do they give out medals for finishing fourth and getting CL qualification? The players got some for finishing runners-up in the CCup final, that's it under HR, that's all he did, apart from talk about every other team, every other teams players, sure we played some great football, best attacking team in the CL some said, but won nothing, If in 4yrs time and AVB goes the distance, see how we sit then. Yiddyboy one part of that post may just come true, i don't see Hughes lasting much longer, only HR missed the chance when they nearly had 2 from 8, his favourite Euro lotto lucky numbers, so he may have to change his pick, but soon he will be in at Lofty Road, Kevin is most likely setting up the sat nav, as we speak.
spu 4 life
Shedboy2 and Spu4life - I think HR to QPR is almost a dead cert. HR will want to bring in a couple of new faces. He will definitely be in for Dawson and Defoe. A leopard never changes his spots!!
yiddyboy
Kevin arriving at Hammersmith, continue along the A4020 Uxbridge Road, then turn left into Loftus Road. You have reached your destination, you can carry your own sodding bags under your eyes HR.
spu 4 life
yiddyboy - it will be all systems go for Phil Neville and Saha, Rio is nearly past his sell by date, he can join up with Anton, bring in Les as striker coach and have Frans Ferdinand for half time entertainment.
spu 4 life
Spu - LOL. HR in work will give the media someone to talk to which hopefully will relieve the media witch hunt against AVB. Rumour has it HR has ordered a new car without windows, delivery date Jan 1st!!!
yiddyboy
Although eventually would like Defoe replaced, have to accept that he is doing a good job for us at the moment and atleast short term needs to stay. Dawson can go though, seeing as Kaboul should hopefully be back before the next window opens.
El Jefe
Although eventually would like Defoe replaced, have to accept that he is doing a good job for us at the moment and atleast short term needs to stay. Dawson can go though, seeing as Kaboul should hopefully be back before the next window opens.
El Jefe
Hopefully we get around the 9m that was quoted in the summer, thats a very good deal for a CB who is currently 4/5th choice!
El Jefe
HR did a fantastic job, the ride, the football he got us playing, the direction he took us which was UP. The CL, the prioritizing the important things, i.e the league and FA cup, giving our youth time and games and experience...such a bad man LOL. We were so close to trophys and could have won one if give more time. Oh the same time AVB needs no? AVB getting the same ***** is bad in alot of peoples books but then some still like to bad mouth in the exact same way. Well that's nice pretty patterns you are making.... Ive given AVB the same chance and backing as i gave HR as fans do. Oh I think Hughes has yet another chance to win against southampton before they give him the boot...but then again they said that about reading.
SpursOne2
Big clap by the way fellas. So funny!!. Come on AVB and Spurs!
SpursOne2
I think this debate has in one way proved my earlier point. The supporters are split badly over AVB and Redknapp, and I can't for the life of me think why. Redknapp is GONE - GET OVER IT! He ain't ever coming back. We have a new young guy who I don't doubt will be given a few years to prove himself. Let's get behind him. He's going to make a few mistakes. He's 34 for christ sake. Sometimes we'll lose at home to Wigan, sometimes the nerves around WHL will be so palpable we'll do silly things like concede in the final minutes to West Brom. But sometimes, and hopefully more often than usual, we'll play a defensive blinder against United and pull of a historic win. Sometimes we'll play badly against QPR or Soton and still win (isn't this the mark of a good team?). Sometimes we'll come up against an unbeaten Italian side and show we are the better team. And for those of you who think we already had a manager who could take us to the promised land, you are deluded. I just wish you'd look back at posts from when we played Norwich or Villa last year. I remember the anti-harry brigade then. My dad said recently that under Harry Spurs played their best football since Billy Nick. He had seen one game live in that time - an away match at Stoke with me in which we lost 2-1. I reminded him that during the first half of that game how terrible we were; ho unmotivated and scared. When I questioned him why he thought we played such good football he couldn't really answer, apart from to say we were 'attacking'. I reminded him that we would always lose to United, the defeats to Wolves and Stoke and Sunderland. The draws with Birmingham and West Brom. The capitulations against Arsenal, United and City. As someone on here commented, we were getting found out. Nice neat football in the middle of the pitch, teams would just wait to pick us off. Now I can't convince my dad and I doubt I'll convince people like RagingSpur, but I firmly believe we may have to take half a step back to go two forward. We might not get 4th this year, but in the long run I'm far far happier.
sebbaspurs
What I find strange in this site, is if you not happy with the progress we are making automatically makes you a fan of Harry. Every counter argument made for AVB is harry this and harry that, which is besides the point, AVB is being measured on what he is doing here for Spurs not compared to what Harry did last year.
Ossie
I don't really understand why HR is seen as the only alternative to AVB. Many of those who hate AVB want HR back. Those who say HR is our past get behind AVB and provide a blind faith in him. I wonder how many of us really disliking them BOTH? I for one will never forgive HR for what he did at Villa Park when we could have grabbed third place in the table ABOVE Arsenal FOR ONCE in my living memory as a fan (I know not long but still). It's not the fact his team dropped 10 points lead over their bitter rivals. It's only and merely about being a coward and pussy for not going to WIN that away match when everything was lined up in front of him to do so. As for AVB: much has been said so no need to sound like a broken record. If there is one word to describe him it would be: clueless. But that's not the point. The point is: surely there could have been someone who had all ingredients not to be labelled as "unnecessary gamble" after Harry? Someone young but not too young, someone who has a PL experience and whose team tries to actually play football instead of being negative, someone who can build a unit without relying too much on the individual brilliance of players, someone who has passion for the game but carries it on the pitch and encrusts it into his players instead of jumping and clenching fist on the sideline, someone who earns his respect because of what he does NOW without finding excuses in the long term project references. So the actual question is: Why did we do "Ramos" yet again?
Moscovite
Thanks everyone, I got kicked off the induction day, zero tolerance for everything including alcohol, and even passive smoking of weed which is why i got booted off. never mind when I saw the video of what I was supposed to do and told that I was going to have to be up at about 20 to 5 in the morning i was quite pleased when it happened. So I think it is time to kickstart the old location recording business again LOL
chrishove123
Anybody expecting big players coming to Spurs either in January, or next summer, is dreaming. 1) Levy has a proven record of short arms and deep pockets. 2) Why would a top player come to Spurs now, we will be lucky to be in the top 6 in January, and 8th come the end of the season, is that likely to attract top players, especially when they have seen us sell Modric and VDV. In truth we are in transition, we must be the first PL team in history to voluntarily conspire to throw away our 3 top 5s in 3 seasons, 3 seasons in Europe, reaching he CL QF etc and settle for a transition into mediocrity. Levy has appointed 4 foreign coaches in Gross, Santini, Ramos and AVB and has yet apparently to get it right. He struck lucky when Santini's bottle went and he walked away, leaving MJ in charge, but he has yet to appoint a good un himself. He has yet to find a real success in any of his 8 managerial appointments.
Frank
 

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Kane 4%
Soldado 1%
Chiriches 5%
Lennon 14%
Paulinho 3%