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The Table Doesn't Lie

The Table Doesn't Lie

As I write this I'm looking at the league table. Earlier in the season we recordeded an epic victory at Old Trafford, United now have 27 points to our 17.

We sit one point ahead of Arsenal and one point behind West Ham. Does this show United are almost twice as good as we are or West Ham are a better team than us or Arsenal? Of course not, what it does show is Ferguson and Allardyce understand how a league competition works and what is required from their teams.

A league works on brutally simple maths, a win at home against QPR is worth the same as a win at Old Trafford, the prizes go to teams that can grind out results regardless of how they are playing. We just don't seem to get that. Over the thirty odd years I've been going to White Hart Lane dropping points against teams we should beat has been the norm, not the exception. Its as if there is something in the club's DNA that abhors organisation and efficiency, relying instead on individual brilliance.

Unfortunately when you are competing against teams that have a lot more cash than you buying success is simply not possible. Whatever you offer a player the other guy can always offer more, you're always getting the left overs. Even producing your own stars has its limitations, as they reach their peak other clubs will start turning their heads with offers we can't match. So if you don't have discipline, organisation and the right attitude you can't win a league.

After every setback we have discussions about individual players, for me more worrying has been looking at the team as a whole. When we have dropped points against opposition we should have beaten easily the team has often looked clueless, seemingly with no gameplan, no idea of what they were trying to do. The attitude has often been negative, on occasions we have taken the lead only to drop off and invite pressure from the other team rather than killing the game off. Its not enough to have good players, you need a good team.

Written by jod



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Writer:jod
Date:Monday November 12 2012
Time: 3:32PM

Comments

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brap
JattYid
12/11/2012 15:36:00
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Do we want a sugar daddy or do we do this the "honourable" way?
chrishove123
12/11/2012 15:41:00
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It Mid November under new management, new system, new players, several out injured, we 3 points of 3-4th place....the table doesnt lie so i dont understand the point to this article??? Where do you expect us to be top of the table ahead of moneybags chavski/city and United??? Table doesnt lie come January Feb thats when you should be asking questions
JattYid
12/11/2012 15:42:00
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I've got news for chrisshove their is no honorable way left. Leave the front page for 5mins and read the open forum piece titled The depressing reality facing clubs like Spurs.
spurdon
12/11/2012 15:50:00
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I'm optimistic. We are near the top 4 and having only played well for 45 mins against Man U. AVB is currently using players and a system he doesn't really want. We will finish 5th and strengthen in the summer.
Tactically Challenge
12/11/2012 15:50:00
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Good article that I agree with. What a contrast to the previous lame entry.
Moscovite
12/11/2012 15:54:00
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....WELL. The table DOES lie in terms of results (performances are another matter) If you compare like-for-like results with last season, it is this season: 11 points, and last season 13 points (obviously ignoring Reading and Southampton results - which were 2 away wins). 2 points worse off? We are however SEVEN points lower than this stage last season. We are also FIVE points lower than AVB's first 11 games at Chelsea (for what he got sacked). And we are not performing well...
TonyRich
12/11/2012 15:56:00
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We can do it honourably if we get our hands on the promising youth. More Bales and Caulker types. They come cheap and we can nurture them until they're ready to compete with the likes of the Citys and Chelseas of the world
spurring you on
12/11/2012 15:57:00
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I thought I was the ONLY one that could see what jod means in his 3rd paragraph! Brutal truth boys, read & learn.

Spuds-U-Like
12/11/2012 15:58:00
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TonyRich - sorry. 11 plays 14 last season in like for like results...3 points worse off... One win....maybe...
TonyRich
12/11/2012 15:58:00
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Our best hope at the moment is that the others continue to look bad....I think this is the worst PL for sometime. None of the big guns are really firing so in that respect we're not alone...just hope we can find some form and overtake Everton, West ham and West Brom....the NLD is massive! A win there and the confidence will come back...note to AVB we must get at their back line!!!....
shedboy2
12/11/2012 15:59:00
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"spurring you on" - Bale cost 5 mill from Southamption. Southampton now have Lallana, who looks pretty good, 24, plenty of assists, takes set-pieces, Now has EPL experience and is their captain. They ARE there for the picking.
TonyRich
12/11/2012 16:00:00
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To "nurture them" we should have an established env with a working organisation and clear view on the style of play where they can prosper. Perhaps you confuse us with Arsenal?
Moscovite
12/11/2012 16:06:00
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with the way we played so far we don't deserve Champions League. Everton deserve the spot for now, but things could change until the end of the season.
logos8
12/11/2012 16:07:00
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I think we have the 5th best 1st team in the league, but our squad as a whole is no better than Fulham in terms of cover for key positions.
Guyver
12/11/2012 16:09:00
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Agreed TonyRich. For a club with moderate finances, top scouting is surely the way to go. Why we don't yet have a top-notch scouting system set up is beyond me tbh
spurring you on
12/11/2012 16:09:00
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they are talking about us on talksport. NOW
logos8
12/11/2012 16:10:00
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and due to injuries, suspensions, poor form, you almost never have your 1st team available.
Guyver
12/11/2012 16:11:00
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Moscovite - that is exactly what we need though mate. If AVB is to stay (and for continuity sake I hope he does) then every element of the scouting to the training must be tailored to suit his system. If we are talking about Fergie/Wenger levels of continuity, AVB's system must be stamped all over the club. The scouting will follow this, and I reckon with a decent DOF, spotting young players who can fit the system will not be all that difficult, especially when we can do it from our computer screens! But if AVB is NOT a long-term prospect, then why bother
spurring you on
12/11/2012 16:13:00
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And Lallana is ENGLISH....
TonyRich
12/11/2012 16:14:00
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The brutal truth is that you need a squad of high quality players who earn so much that they put up with rotation and are happy to accept a medal for minimal contribution. Only a few can afford that and that is what is destroying the competition. FFP must break the vicious circle but somehow I doubt if it will.
Love totty
12/11/2012 16:17:00
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I say if you're gonna gamble, go all in when you have Ace pair! I think AVB wil come good, he's not a dumb lackey
spurring you on
12/11/2012 16:17:00
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the brutal truth is we cnnot compete in this league if you are looking at us being 3rd or above. the money men have that sewn up. So 4th is the best we can do and for that we need a united manager, club, supporters and players. We have none. Half the fans never wanted HR to go, half the fans did. Half of those wanted AVB, half of those didnt. Half the fans have ridiculous expectations, half the fans are realistic. We're doomed whichever way you look at it. Top 6 each season is what we are and what we shall continue to be. Football is dying in front of our very eyes.
jimmy-yid
12/11/2012 16:25:00
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Right getting annoyed with all the AVB bashing. 1) We are missing last years spine. King, Kaboul, Parker, Modric, VDV, Adebayor. We have had two games from them all season, the ones departed haven't been replaced. Not AVBs fault. 2) We have had additional injuries which has cocked us up something rotten. Kaboul, Dembele, Adebayor, Benni, to name but a few. Not AVBs fault. 3) The media is on our back more than ever. This is never good for team morale, can't be good for the manager himself. Its not good for anyone. Period. Not AVBs fault. 4) THE FANS HAVE BEEN *****E. The atmosphere at WHL has been poor. Ranting and raving and booing when things aren't going right - even when things aren't that badly wrong. It's so poor. If we don't score in the first 10 minutes then it starts. Its no suprise our away form is better than our home form. Not AVBs fault. Also, in relation to this article, I checked our results this term against last year. To cut a long story short, if we had beaten Wigan like we should have then we would be on exactly the same points and goals as last year. (Note for the Reading game I replaced them with Bolton away, and for the Soton game I replaced them with Blackburn away). If we had beaten Wigan we would be on 20 points and 5th. There really isn't a lot wrong bar a thin squad. Levy must invest in January otherwise it makes him a farce. But I tell you this - I prefer AVB to old saggy face any day.
sebbaspurs
12/11/2012 16:27:00
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That only makes sense if AVB is not a flop himself. You wouldn't want a long term prospect to be a failure, would you? I agree with the idea of continuity in principle, the question however did we get the right guy? So far nothing suggests that. Many would say it's quite the opposite.
Moscovite
12/11/2012 16:27:00
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I really hope you are right, SYO, but the evidence so far is to the contrary. His appointment was an unnecessary gamble in my view, given the experience he had at Chelski, and our own daliences with Ramos, Santini and Gross. Most of us have supported Spurs for more years than we care to remember despite the dashed hopes and expectations. For me performance is everything, beating inferior teams and giving the better ones a run for their money. I'm not sure AVB gets that and perhaps that's why he was appointed. Will the WHL crowd accept ground out results?
Love totty
12/11/2012 16:36:00
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Ignor them Logos8, its only Durham riding his current hobby horse. The muppet can't come up with anything original so he jumps on any passing bandwagon.

Spuds-U-Like
12/11/2012 16:54:00
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Levy will never invest because his orders are to pocket profit. Yes we have spent money historically, that that should be considered as sowing to reap a financial harvest, not progress in the league. I know HR was already out in DL's eyes but a few proper players (not a semi-retired Kiwi CB and an almost (read should be) retired striker in Saha and we'd be streets ahead of where we are today, with or without HR. For some reason Levy doesn't want it. It's not in the business plan.
Cape Town Spurs
12/11/2012 16:54:00
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Off topic but I Had a great tour round the Millenium Stadium with the missus yesterday and saw a certain Mr. Gareth Bale's Wales shirt hanging up in his spot in the Wales home changing room all ready for him to wear in his next game for them.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 16:55:00
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replace 2 world class players with sigurdsen and dempsey - in the words of (what's his name?)" you;re having a laugh"
Cape Town Spurs
12/11/2012 16:56:00
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and no, not Ricky Gervais, the character
Cape Town Spurs
12/11/2012 16:58:00
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spurring you on My thoughts exactly, we CAN do it the honourable way but it is going to be a damn long hard haul, the thing is when/IF the fair finance thing is taken seriously by FIFFA and the FA THEN we will have a good chance again because we will be on a more level playing field.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 17:04:00
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spurdon That is just one person's pesimistic point of view mate and I make a point of not believing the hype, so even though you may want to look at it as all doom and gloom and we have no future I won't have it like that. Sorry but I think that it's just bull$hit to say t6hat sort of thing. The future IS bright the future IS LILLYWHITE.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 17:06:00
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The table only tells the story in May, when all teams have met home AND away.
Tottenham Hotcore
12/11/2012 17:10:00
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Good posts JimmyYid and Sebbasspurs. Your banging your head against a brick wall though. Fans want success, and they want it now! Regardless of how unrealistic!
StillRickyVilla
12/11/2012 17:10:00
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TonyRich - You've got it the wrong way round mate, the table DOESN'T lie in terms of results, the results are the pure mathematics, they cannot be manipulated and there is no disputing mathematics.
Hot_Spur
12/11/2012 17:15:00
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TonyRich, the last 11 games of last season yielded 16 points. The first 11 games of this season has yielded 17 points. Considering the downgrade in quality of our team (for which you have to blame Levy) i don't know how anybody would expect a sudden upturn in form? To keep the results about the same as we ended last year is a mini-achievement in my opinion.
StillRickyVilla
12/11/2012 17:16:00
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Bloody hell Darren Gough is actually sticking up for AVB on talk sport.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 17:16:00
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Moscovite I don't see anything yet to say we HAVEN'T got the right guy.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 17:20:00
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We've been crying out for a TOP class striker for years now, adebayor on the cheap is good business but only if we supplement it with marquee signing. What's been said about the fans is unfortunately true, Thursday was awesome but that is the exception. We need to get behind them, 3 or 4 wins on the spin and we'd easily be in the top 4.
T.H.F.Chris
12/11/2012 17:21:00
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Andre Villas Boas constrictor. LOL
chrishove123
12/11/2012 17:22:00
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Look, we had an absolute purple patch about this time last year. Modric, VDV, Bale, Lennon, Ade, Parker - they were all playing out of their skins, it was wonderful, wonderful football. A joy to watch. We had King and Kaboul at the back. BAE at his best. Everything came together it was fantastic. Things are different this season. We have had nowhere near the same quality out there playing. Give it time. We need our players back and a PROPER couple of replacements signed. If this time next year we have a team like Lloris, BAE, Verts, Kaboul, Naughton, Sandro, Moutinho, Dembele, Bale, Ade and we are STILL not performing then we need to seriously look at AVB. But until then, can we quit the premature AVB bashing (fat chance I know!).
StillRickyVilla
12/11/2012 17:24:00
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It was jungle players and managers on talk sopor4t
chrishove123
12/11/2012 17:31:00
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lol.....i've not seen enough to say we HAVE got the RIGHT guy..i.e..avb. "i'm sorry jermaine (defoe)....i know you scored a hattrick in the last spurs game..but for the sake of the team, i'm leaving you out today"...( for a player that recently missed a penalty).
82spursdebut
12/11/2012 17:43:00
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Love totty I would far rather win a ground out result every week than lose with flamboyant, pretty, stylish football. A win is a win and winning gets us points. Losing in style doesn't, so if it is a choice of losing in style more often than not or grinding out wins more often than not I think the WHL faithful would probably go for the wins.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 17:49:00
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Spurs achilles heal has been their constant inability to spend money .
Until we stop wasting money we will always be frustrating .All teams have bad buys they regret but we do it time ,& time,& time again .
We have spent similar to Arsenal in the last decade ,but Wenger has just spent better .He sells world class players ,but amazingly stills pulls off top 4 next season

Even this window we spent £50 million .On a fine goalkeeper we don`t want to play ,WTF ? Siggurdsson who is average at best ,even gazumped Liverpool for him ,£8 million + top wages ,really ? Did we not learn from Pienaar ?. Dempsey looks like a fish out of water at Spurs .Adebayor where`s he been ?

Dembele was a great signing imo & the best fresh face we have at the Lane was already a Spurs player ,the brilliant Caulker .

Get the right DOF in who knows how to spend money ,& sees quality early is the key .Newcastle unearthed some gems by their scout Graham Carr ,er we sacked him .
big cockeral
12/11/2012 17:52:00
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Tottenham Hotcore got it right, the league table doesn't lie at the end of the season, but it often does in November. And as for Lallana, an off form Walker had him in his pocket a few weeks ago.
matt hoten
12/11/2012 17:53:00
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It's simple you lose HR and get AVB you have downgraded a whole bunch. Add to that losing Modric and getting Dembele you have once again downgraded. Add to that AVB not wanting to keep VdV and replacing him with Dempsey and Siggy and you have yourself a team who was 4th place last season to a taem that is more than likely 8th. Mostly comes down to having a clueless head coach in AVB. I am shocked at how bad of a coach he is simply shocked. He is bottom table coach in the 2nd division.
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 17:57:00
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if i could have one tip i could give to avb, that is possible. i would suggest he has eyes in the stands above the pitch, that could relay messages to avb during the game. That's me assuming he hasn't already got that happening. Sherwood / ferdinand did it for harry..to quote a recent event.
82spursdebut
12/11/2012 18:01:00
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Blame it on the goose Got you feeling loose Blame it on Patron Got you in the zone Blame it on the a a andre villas boassss Blame it on the a a andre villas boassss
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 18:01:00
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Raging your anti AVB rants have got really boring. yes we get it YOU HATE AVB and want him out. You LOVE HR and want him back, but do you have to keep banging on about the same old (rap all the time?
chrishove123
12/11/2012 18:09:00
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Ray Charles could do no worse coaching us over AVB.
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 18:13:00
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Chris, I'm very anti-AVB and very pro-Spurs and I'm tired of watching us go backwards and not the slightest sign of improvement from the start of the year.
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 18:16:00
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Raging I suppose OSF NEVER lost to imferior teams, was a brilliant master tactician and never managed any sort of collapses towards the end of two consecutive seasons. I also assume he never took his eye off the game when the media and no one else in the footballing world (apart from his wonderful self) was touting him as the next England flop, sorry manager. I also assume he NEVER pi$$ed players off so much they wanted to leave WHL, he was never a media whore saying just what the red top rags wanted to hear and to hell with the good of the club. He never refused a new contract in expectation of another job, showing exactly where his loyalties lay (to himself and not in any way shape or form to the club that was paying him). He never froze out any of our top players or destroyed any 'keeper's confidence resulting in their careers being trashed, he NEVER brought in old passed it or nearly over the hill players as a quick fix solution who we couldn't sell on instead of bringing in good younger players. Not ONCE did he disrespect the fans, the club or the chairman No I nor anyone else could possibly conceive of any of the above scenarios involving the wonderful, gracious, loyal, unbiased, honest as the day is long non tax cheating, cz we all know the only reason he didn't get done was cz he paid loads of dosh to some very clever people to get him off the hook, (allegedly). Yes he was an all round first class manager who was going to go on to take us to the greatest heights we had ever seen at WHL.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 18:24:00
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We would have ended up relegated and bankrupt if HR had stayed.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 18:26:00
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Chris, Go on defend AVB all you want but you will turn your head to him soon to come as well. He had 0 qualifications to manage a PL side but Chelsea gave him a chance a team who won the title the year before him and ended up in 6th the season he came in. How do you justify that on a team who was never that bad! Now we may have lost some players but we are going from 4th to probably 8th! How much time does this schmuck need? I don't have the patience because the truth is I don't think he needs time I think he will be just as bad with time as he is today.
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 18:31:00
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Chris, Relegated and bankrupt? Would we? Sure, I'm so positive that Levy and Co. would let that happen. Please do yourself a favor and say you didn't like HR but he was never going to put us in that kind of danger because management above wouldn't allow it to happen. He has no control of finances on request on players coming in and going out! So to point fingers on HR for such things is ridiculous. Go on and keep crying about HR who got us QF of CL and two 4th place finishes and a 5th. Go on and praise the almighty AVB who will probably finish this year 8th and just keep saying give him time and see that we get nowhere under him.
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 18:34:00
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RagingSpur, you do understand posts like Sebbaspurs' post? You do understand that this is a DIFFERENT team, a DIFFERENT set of circumstances? And that you cannot possibly judge someone who has inherited the mess Redknapp left (bloated, de-motivated squad, players wanting out) and Levy left (best players sold, average replacements found, no proper Top 4 investment) until they have at the very least had a season and some of his own players signed. I am genuinely asking because i really don't understand you and others' AVB bashing at this early stage? Its so counter-productive having half a club's fans constantly sniping away at the manager. I really genuinely don't get it. Surely if you want Spurs to be successful it would be better to give the whole club 100% support for a season and see where it takes us? The worse thing that can happen is you are proven right, but believe me its a much more enjoyable experience being positive and supporting the club than being constantly sniping and negative. Having a divided club will always lead to failure. I don't get it.
StillRickyVilla
12/11/2012 18:37:00
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Nor did SAF when he went to manure, it took him a while to get things going thewre and he was even being treated the same as AVB is now to the extent that he was very nearly given the boot. So does that make SAF a (rap manager still who could be out done by Stevie Wonder. You really have4 no idea do you.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 18:40:00
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Chris, We are just going to have to disagree mate. We can both root for the same team but we are not going to see eye for eye here. I have no faith in the direction we are going and while HR may not have been the great coach in history he was one of our best ever. I feel we have downgraded and while some love AVB's youth he has no promise to ever fill out and be a top coach either. His success came in a two team league who plays in CL consistently and the year he won Europa they happened to not qualify. Porto finished 1st 9 out of the last 11 years I think. His resume looks good but his results at Chelsea and WHL are not anything I would tout as great. He has had now over a year in the PL and it doesn't look as he has improved at the slightest. So I don't feel time is going to help him because his tactics are not something crazy and infact we have played the same style from week 1 to today and it has failed when we thought it would and it has worked on the road but we have looked like a good team 10% of this season.
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 18:41:00
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You are comparing AVB to SAF? That's like comparing Tom Carroll to Messi! What SAF did has not happened many times since then so you are really throwing a hail mary and wishing for a miracle.
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 18:44:00
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StillRicky, Don't take a job you can't make the best out of. His situation at Chelsea on Day 1 was amazing. He took over a great side and had resources to buy players. A couple months later he lost faith from all the players and Abramovich. He destroyed a Chelsea side and now he gets a chance at Tottenham! He doesn't have near the amount of money to spend and he has a good squad but not title. That being said he let VdV go and he took the signings of Demsey and Sig! This is slowly his side and don't give me the bull***. I have no sorrow for the situation he is in this side is better than this and AVB is slowly ruining my club.
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 18:47:00
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ˇI repeat you are saying almost exactly the same things that were being said about SAF in his first two seasons at manure. I know we will probably never see eye to eye over this unless AVB gets us top four and wins the CL this season but please try and show some positive support for the club as a whole instead of just bashing the manager. I would beg to differ about HR being one of the best. George graham was more successful, so was Ramos if we look at the stats because they both won silverware HR won NOTHING for us. Not very good was he.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 18:47:00
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I am genuinely interested in what the boo-boys think they achieve by dividing our club, constantly sniping and moaning at matches and generally creating a poisonous atmosphere. I want to know. I mean, if AVB is crap how bad is Wenger?! Below us in the table, playing worse than us. The whole AVB-bashing thing so early on by our OWN fans is utterly ridiculous. But the boo-boys want to ignore everything and just snipe away - as i said, i don't get it.
StillRickyVilla
12/11/2012 18:47:00
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Chris, I support the club but I do not support the manager and will not back him until he does something. I'm so tired of the comparisons to SAF situation because since that it has happened 0 times ever for a coach to do what SAF did...so no I have no faith in that miracle happeneing
RagingSpur
12/11/2012 18:49:00
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The fact that it was Chelsea that wanted AVB must say something about him and he was not given enough time. The fact that Leicester, Blackburn, probably QPR, may be Latvia wanted HR tells you all you need to know him, the chauffeur and the jock. With HR the lower teams would just watch us play pretty pretty football in midfield, smoke their cigars and wait for us in the last third. The top teams would take us apart. Bale was great and then was found out so HR got him to aimlessly wander about. VDV run around in home games and fecked about in away games. I wanted Brendan Rodgers but I am more than happy with AVB
matt hoten
12/11/2012 18:49:00
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vdv wanted to go for his wife, so why keep him? it was the best time to cash in some decent money because he was going anyway.
logos8
12/11/2012 18:50:00
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RagingSpur You just refuse to see the whole picture don't you. When SAF was first at manure how could anyone know what he would go on to do. AVB's start parallels SAF's start at manure and so does what is being said about AVB by people like yourself. if they had been listened to then SAF wouldn't be where he is now. He would have gone abroad and done great things there. I sup[pose you do know that we were his second choice behind manure abd then he would have got it in the neck from fans with your attitude here and may have been driven out. THAT is what I am saying, so who is to say that AVB can't go on to great things HERE.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 18:53:00
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Raging, i'm clearly not going to get anything sensible from you, so i'll give up. Thanks for proving how brainless the boo-boys are. At least i understand from that mindless drivel where you are coming from - can't even be bothered to reply. You carry on mate - its guys like YOU who are ruining the club mate.
StillRickyVilla
12/11/2012 18:55:00
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logos8 I've tried pointing that out numerous times recently but people just don't want to know. He wanted OUT so we sold him. His wife worked in Germany he wanted to be with his wife, it's not rocket science and if he had been forced to stay like Modders we would hve had another sulky player wasting on the bench eating up money with his high wages.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 18:58:00
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StillRickyVilla,,,
You can`t keep putting down fans just because they sit on the other side of the fence that you do .
I was pro AVB but now sit on the fence due to constant odd decisions .I want him to succeed as i admire his passion ,& the respect he has for Spurs .But he`s not helping himself ,,he`s got to start picking the best team & get the basics right ,his subs are baffling ,& the general attitude & slow pace of the players is worrying .
losing 2-1 to City is fair enough ,but too many times this season we have been dreadful .

AVB needs another summer transfer window to really judge ,& a DOF to help him sign players ,Levy is getting on my tits with his transfer policy .
We have yet to score in the first half at home this season ,c`mon that`s unheard of .And we`ve used 25 players in the league already ,more than any other EPL side .He`s got to get a grip of the situation because he`s losing fans who were on his side .
I like AVB & support him ,but i`m having doubts that weren`t there before .I hope he`s not out of his depth but it`s looking increasingly that way .
big cockeral
12/11/2012 18:58:00
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Big C, but your post there is a fairly balanced post. I agree with most of it. I too am open-minded on AVB. NOBODY knows whether he'll be a success or not. What we DO know is he needs to be given a chance - at the very least a season. What has really got my blood boiling is a sizeable section of the fan-base who WANT AVB to fail. They never wanted AVB. They believe everything they read about the Chelsea episode and decided AVB was crap before he started. That's whats annoying me. Believe me he WILL NOT be successful with the fans acting like this. It divides clubs, the media latch on to it then the players start talking amongst themselves. Before you know it, the dressing rooms gone and we have to make ANOTHER change. I don't think fans realise the power we have. A rocking WHL and we win 9 times out of 10 and everyone's happy - i don't understand why fans don't try for that? Even in the modern game a lot of it is in OUR hands still.
StillRickyVilla
12/11/2012 19:07:00
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big cockeral Nice to see you giving a critical look at things instead of the rants that some on here give. I agree we need a DOF and he needs at least one season maybe two to get things the way he wants them. He has a game plan for the long term and he was probably told that if he stuck to it the club would support him in it, but it looks like the club (Levy?) have reneged on that support. Maybe we will see a change of heart come the Jan transfer window and Levy will shell out. Rodgers has started playing hardball with liverpool and has been told he will get the cash to splash in Jan so AVB may have to do the same thing. If he was promised certain things which have not been delivered maybe he should threaten to walk and sue for compensation. That being a financial matter may make Levy sit up and take notice.
chrishove123
12/11/2012 19:10:00
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SRV - you live in a dreamworld. Confidence and trust are not givens, they have to be nurtured. AVB had buckets of goodwill from the fans, the staff he appointed and the players desperate to believe in him. So far he has not produced performances that have created the momentum needed to build on all that. Things cannot stand still, if you don't build you crumble, it's just the way of things. I'm not so pessimistic as Raging but I see where he is coming from. You're like a little boy blowing out his candles and making a wish.
Love totty
12/11/2012 19:27:00
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Chris - if I was Levy I wouldn't give AVB a penny piece until he showed he knows what's he's doing with what he's got. My hope was that we would be well the running for 4th come Xmas and able to persuade the likes of Mouthino to join for CL next year. If that isn't on, Levy has a decision to make.
Love totty
12/11/2012 19:32:00
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