The Table Doesn't Lie

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It Mid November under new management, new system, new players, several out injured, we 3 points of 3-4th place....the table doesnt lie so i dont understand the point to this article??? Where do you expect us to be top of the table ahead of moneybags chavski/city and United??? Table doesnt lie come January Feb thats when you should be asking questions

I'm optimistic. We are near the top 4 and having only played well for 45 mins against Man U. AVB is currently using players and a system he doesn't really want. We will finish 5th and strengthen in the summer.

....WELL. The table DOES lie in terms of results (performances are another matter) If you compare like-for-like results with last season, it is this season: 11 points, and last season 13 points (obviously ignoring Reading and Southampton results - which were 2 away wins). 2 points worse off? We are however SEVEN points lower than this stage last season. We are also FIVE points lower than AVB's first 11 games at Chelsea (for what he got sacked). And we are not performing well...

TonyRich - sorry. 11 plays 14 last season in like for like results...3 points worse off... One win....maybe...

Our best hope at the moment is that the others continue to look bad....I think this is the worst PL for sometime. None of the big guns are really firing so in that respect we're not alone...just hope we can find some form and overtake Everton, West ham and West Brom....the NLD is massive! A win there and the confidence will come back...note to AVB we must get at their back line!!!....

To "nurture them" we should have an established env with a working organisation and clear view on the style of play where they can prosper. Perhaps you confuse us with Arsenal?

I think we have the 5th best 1st team in the league, but our squad as a whole is no better than Fulham in terms of cover for key positions.

they are talking about us on talksport. NOW

Moscovite - that is exactly what we need though mate. If AVB is to stay (and for continuity sake I hope he does) then every element of the scouting to the training must be tailored to suit his system. If we are talking about Fergie/Wenger levels of continuity, AVB's system must be stamped all over the club. The scouting will follow this, and I reckon with a decent DOF, spotting young players who can fit the system will not be all that difficult, especially when we can do it from our computer screens! But if AVB is NOT a long-term prospect, then why bother

I say if you're gonna gamble, go all in when you have Ace pair! I think AVB wil come good, he's not a dumb lackey

the brutal truth is we cnnot compete in this league if you are looking at us being 3rd or above. the money men have that sewn up. So 4th is the best we can do and for that we need a united manager, club, supporters and players. We have none. Half the fans never wanted HR to go, half the fans did. Half of those wanted AVB, half of those didnt. Half the fans have ridiculous expectations, half the fans are realistic. We're doomed whichever way you look at it. Top 6 each season is what we are and what we shall continue to be. Football is dying in front of our very eyes.

Right getting annoyed with all the AVB bashing. 1) We are missing last years spine. King, Kaboul, Parker, Modric, VDV, Adebayor. We have had two games from them all season, the ones departed haven't been replaced. Not AVBs fault. 2) We have had additional injuries which has cocked us up something rotten. Kaboul, Dembele, Adebayor, Benni, to name but a few. Not AVBs fault. 3) The media is on our back more than ever. This is never good for team morale, can't be good for the manager himself. Its not good for anyone. Period. Not AVBs fault. 4) THE FANS HAVE BEEN *****E. The atmosphere at WHL has been poor. Ranting and raving and booing when things aren't going right - even when things aren't that badly wrong. It's so poor. If we don't score in the first 10 minutes then it starts. Its no suprise our away form is better than our home form. Not AVBs fault. Also, in relation to this article, I checked our results this term against last year. To cut a long story short, if we had beaten Wigan like we should have then we would be on exactly the same points and goals as last year. (Note for the Reading game I replaced them with Bolton away, and for the Soton game I replaced them with Blackburn away). If we had beaten Wigan we would be on 20 points and 5th. There really isn't a lot wrong bar a thin squad. Levy must invest in January otherwise it makes him a farce. But I tell you this - I prefer AVB to old saggy face any day.

Levy will never invest because his orders are to pocket profit. Yes we have spent money historically, that that should be considered as sowing to reap a financial harvest, not progress in the league. I know HR was already out in DL's eyes but a few proper players (not a semi-retired Kiwi CB and an almost (read should be) retired striker in Saha and we'd be streets ahead of where we are today, with or without HR. For some reason Levy doesn't want it. It's not in the business plan.

Off topic but I Had a great tour round the Millenium Stadium with the missus yesterday and saw a certain Mr. Gareth Bale's Wales shirt hanging up in his spot in the Wales home changing room all ready for him to wear in his next game for them.

and no, not Ricky Gervais, the character

spurdon That is just one person's pesimistic point of view mate and I make a point of not believing the hype, so even though you may want to look at it as all doom and gloom and we have no future I won't have it like that. Sorry but I think that it's just bull$hit to say t6hat sort of thing. The future IS bright the future IS LILLYWHITE.

Good posts JimmyYid and Sebbasspurs. Your banging your head against a brick wall though. Fans want success, and they want it now! Regardless of how unrealistic!

TonyRich, the last 11 games of last season yielded 16 points. The first 11 games of this season has yielded 17 points. Considering the downgrade in quality of our team (for which you have to blame Levy) i don't know how anybody would expect a sudden upturn in form? To keep the results about the same as we ended last year is a mini-achievement in my opinion.

Moscovite I don't see anything yet to say we HAVEN'T got the right guy.

Andre Villas Boas constrictor. LOL

It was jungle players and managers on talk sopor4t

Love totty I would far rather win a ground out result every week than lose with flamboyant, pretty, stylish football. A win is a win and winning gets us points. Losing in style doesn't, so if it is a choice of losing in style more often than not or grinding out wins more often than not I think the WHL faithful would probably go for the wins.

Tottenham Hotcore got it right, the league table doesn't lie at the end of the season, but it often does in November. And as for Lallana, an off form Walker had him in his pocket a few weeks ago.

Blame it on the goose Got you feeling loose Blame it on Patron Got you in the zone Blame it on the a a andre villas boassss Blame it on the a a andre villas boassss

Raging your anti AVB rants have got really boring. yes we get it YOU HATE AVB and want him out. You LOVE HR and want him back, but do you have to keep banging on about the same old (rap all the time?

Chris, I'm very anti-AVB and very pro-Spurs and I'm tired of watching us go backwards and not the slightest sign of improvement from the start of the year.

We would have ended up relegated and bankrupt if HR had stayed.

Chris, Relegated and bankrupt? Would we? Sure, I'm so positive that Levy and Co. would let that happen. Please do yourself a favor and say you didn't like HR but he was never going to put us in that kind of danger because management above wouldn't allow it to happen. He has no control of finances on request on players coming in and going out! So to point fingers on HR for such things is ridiculous. Go on and keep crying about HR who got us QF of CL and two 4th place finishes and a 5th. Go on and praise the almighty AVB who will probably finish this year 8th and just keep saying give him time and see that we get nowhere under him.

Nor did SAF when he went to manure, it took him a while to get things going thewre and he was even being treated the same as AVB is now to the extent that he was very nearly given the boot. So does that make SAF a (rap manager still who could be out done by Stevie Wonder. You really have4 no idea do you.

You are comparing AVB to SAF? That's like comparing Tom Carroll to Messi! What SAF did has not happened many times since then so you are really throwing a hail mary and wishing for a miracle.

I am genuinely interested in what the boo-boys think they achieve by dividing our club, constantly sniping and moaning at matches and generally creating a poisonous atmosphere. I want to know. I mean, if AVB is crap how bad is Wenger?! Below us in the table, playing worse than us. The whole AVB-bashing thing so early on by our OWN fans is utterly ridiculous. But the boo-boys want to ignore everything and just snipe away - as i said, i don't get it.

Chris, I support the club but I do not support the manager and will not back him until he does something. I'm so tired of the comparisons to SAF situation because since that it has happened 0 times ever for a coach to do what SAF did...so no I have no faith in that miracle happeneing

vdv wanted to go for his wife, so why keep him? it was the best time to cash in some decent money because he was going anyway.

Raging, i'm clearly not going to get anything sensible from you, so i'll give up. Thanks for proving how brainless the boo-boys are. At least i understand from that mindless drivel where you are coming from - can't even be bothered to reply. You carry on mate - its guys like YOU who are ruining the club mate.

StillRickyVilla,,,
You can`t keep putting down fans just because they sit on the other side of the fence that you do .
I was pro AVB but now sit on the fence due to constant odd decisions .I want him to succeed as i admire his passion ,& the respect he has for Spurs .But he`s not helping himself ,,he`s got to start picking the best team & get the basics right ,his subs are baffling ,& the general attitude & slow pace of the players is worrying .
losing 2-1 to City is fair enough ,but too many times this season we have been dreadful .

AVB needs another summer transfer window to really judge ,& a DOF to help him sign players ,Levy is getting on my tits with his transfer policy .
We have yet to score in the first half at home this season ,c`mon that`s unheard of .And we`ve used 25 players in the league already ,more than any other EPL side .He`s got to get a grip of the situation because he`s losing fans who were on his side .
I like AVB & support him ,but i`m having doubts that weren`t there before .I hope he`s not out of his depth but it`s looking increasingly that way .

big cockeral Nice to see you giving a critical look at things instead of the rants that some on here give. I agree we need a DOF and he needs at least one season maybe two to get things the way he wants them. He has a game plan for the long term and he was probably told that if he stuck to it the club would support him in it, but it looks like the club (Levy?) have reneged on that support. Maybe we will see a change of heart come the Jan transfer window and Levy will shell out. Rodgers has started playing hardball with liverpool and has been told he will get the cash to splash in Jan so AVB may have to do the same thing. If he was promised certain things which have not been delivered maybe he should threaten to walk and sue for compensation. That being a financial matter may make Levy sit up and take notice.

Chris - if I was Levy I wouldn't give AVB a penny piece until he showed he knows what's he's doing with what he's got. My hope was that we would be well the running for 4th come Xmas and able to persuade the likes of Mouthino to join for CL next year. If that isn't on, Levy has a decision to make.

I think we're speculating that the summer buys were not AVB's...does anyone know for sure? As for the comparison with SAF, he was only managing the richest club in the country and appointed because they slumped to fourth, at the same time an outstanding crop of talent came through their ranks and he didn't fail at the club just prior to Manu- not much of a comparison...what about if we'd given Juande more time? there seems more similarities there. Fact is he's had a window, a full pre-season and 17 competitive games. We need to start clicking or he'll need to go....I don't want to see us finish in 10th this year and then see another summer window cock up, that'll put us back another few years....if we're going to back him it should be on the 1st of January, not fecking about till 31st, the players will only settle by the end of the season...

What is all this honourabe crap, are we Spurs a PL fotball club or Corinthian Casuals a gentlemen's club, never going to win anything but keeping a stiff upper lip and remembering we're British. It is 2013, not 1895, the "honour" is in winning, not in denying yourself the opportunity. I would love see a new owner come and competitively fund us to get back amongst the winners.

Frank - the only way I could stomach that would be if there was a European Super League where you needed a benefactor to guarantee membership. I just hope that never happens.

SRV- if we perform against Arse (not nec. win) there won't be boo'ing, if we don't and then play badly against Spam....there could be a riot! Can you imagine how the fans would be if we lost to Arse and the Spam??? doesn't bear thinking about.... Frank- we are doing the honourable thing....we are owned by a foreign based 'sugar daddy' billionaire but refusing to let him fund us...otherwise I'm sure he'd lump in with the odd buy, wouldn't he??...;) hmm, I wonder how he makes his money?

FrankThere are ways of winning and ways of winning, I want us to win without having to go down the route of buying success. ANY team can do that. If you gave Bradford enough cash they'd win the CL. I want us to go on and develop our youth and have them come through OUR system to be great players playing for us. That way we engender club loyalty instead of buying in mercenaries like Modders who go at the first whiff of money.

Shedboy - Hopefully Naughton with Gallas on the bench!!!

Funny how the "joke" managers, Ramos and AVB have won five major trophies between them. Must have clowned their way to collecting the trophies. I think given time Ramos would have turned it around and given time and his type of player AVB will get us to top three. Unfortunately if your face doesn't fit with the rag tops and Talksport your job is three times harder. COYS

ItalianYiddo Gough was actually bigging up AVB today on talk sport.

Frank, the fact that we never replaced Berba and Keane and as yet Modric is a minus on Levy's achievements book and is costing us dearly. That said I for one don't want a "throw as many millions as it takes" sugar daddy. For me whatever Chelsea and City win is as honourable as any Lance Armstrong win. COYS.

g. roberts testes- it's not that bad, yet. But if you saw that someone was about to fall would you shout a warning or just let it happen?...ps Hoddle can do no wrong...;)

I liked the fact that AVB gave the young ones a chance. I also like sometimes his tactics and the way he picks players. I am ok with waiting 3 3 seasons to see what he is made off because to be honest we have a lot of injuries that are not helping at all right now... BUT I do have one concern regarding subs. He just makes some subs that I don't agree with and I think the players and most of the fans don't either. i didn't liked it when we appointed him. We needed a change but I would have never gambled with him because he failed miserably at Chelsea and just because he did well in Portugal doesn't mean he can ever have success in the big leagues. But now he is our manager, he is in the same boat with us so we might as well support him as long as we are still in top6. Don't think west ham or wba will finish above us so top 6 is fair enough because our squad is not near what we had with modric, vdv and king. I still hope AVB can surprise us but if we don't support him it will just make his job 3 times harder. We can criticize as long as we want in here, but I just hope that at the matches everybody sings and cheers because the boos are only going to make things worse. COYS

Juande Ramos could barely speak English

shedboy....replace the words "shout a warning" in your post with 'boo'....puts it into perspective don't you think?as for hoddle,he was part of the reason i fell in love with spurs as a kid.a god in my child-like eyes as a player. we all grow up but as our manager....?(even though we did beat the chavs 5-1 under him so i suppose it wasn't all bad).

Ramos doesnt seem to have much ambition, looks like he just drifts around europe looking for easy money.

Guyver Maybe so but he still started pretty well AND won us a trophy, which HR couldn't do in all his time here. Then again HR couldn't read English.

yea chrishove, just don't think he's the legacy builder type, more of a "cash over comfort" man it seems.

Guyver Trouble is we don't seem to have had a legacy builder since Bill Nich, but then again no one has been given the time TO build a legacy. Maybe given time Hoddle could have done it but his little slip up about disabled people having done something bad in a previous life didn't endear him to many people.

Guyver We wish LOL

shedboy......i wasn't suggesting hoddle come back as manager,jeez louise no!just making a point that as a spurs player he could do no wrong but as our manager he wasn't the messiah we all would have liked him to be.he was a bit rubbish to be honest but we did get to the capital/carling/worthington/aldi/lidl/primark/league cup final and beat the chav's under him so every cloud etc.he's in spain or portugal training kids,so good luck to him.he's earned it.the sad reality is that there is no place for him in this modern business AKA football,but i digress.

All the space of just over 6 months too!

Building a football club starts from the top and whilst I'm sure Mr Levy is very intelligent and great with numbers he is not a football man, he needed to bring in a David Dein type person into the football club years ago, someone who could plan our managerial appointments and have some kind of vision as to where the club is going whilst Levy counts his pennies.

mattspursThism is what happens when you appoint redknap as manager, he leaves the team in turmoil and dispirited.

As I said when we first signed Saha. Sahahahahaha

The table cannot lie. A lucky win against QPR and Man Utd. Poor performances against WBA Norwich, Wigan. Injuries to key players. Poor team selections, poor use of substitutes. Dempsey was again a ball watcher on Sunday, he is just not in it, until he can prove his worth both he and Sigurdsson should be omitted. William Hill still taking bets on AVB ????

El Jefe I fully agree that AVB NEEDS at least a season to be able to give it a good go. My last post is am cririsism of you saying that HR did a good job, I really don't feel he diod. When he first came here I thought he would do well abd backed him but after his disastrous failings to get us CL with the squad he had that's when i felt he had to go, he also brought the clubs name into disgrace with the court case which IMHO had a very dubious outcome, I think he should have had the good grace to have resigned when the was prosecuted

Chris with regards to the court case, thats a different matter all together.

El Jefe Sorry but it wasn't due to chelski winning it was due to HR losing a 12 point lead over le arse or had you forgotten how far in front we were in third place, sitting pretty and in line for automatic qualification had he not, as I say, presided over the most spectacular collapse in probably our whole history. As you say should have could have, but he didn't because he just wasn't good enough when the chips were down, If he hadn't got CL that ONE season then he would have been out even earlier. Jol would have got us CL with the squad HR had, almost ANY manager would have, at that time he had some of the best in the Prem including King which, Modders Benny VDV and Gomes, so saying he got us CL for that one season is like saying my rowing boat flats on the water, SO IT BLOODY WELL SHOULD and SO HE BLOODY WELL SHOULD HAVE, the thing is he SHOULD have got it for us the following season as well but he couldn't. He ended up ruining everything in the end. Have you also forgotten how he slagged us (including your good self) off this is as good as it gets, the fans are idiots? Yeah great manager,not.

El Jefe with the court case he got caught out and found out he just got off with what he did because he had the money to buy his way off using damn good lawyers. He got found out as a manager as well but he couldn't buy his way out of that one so it was bye bye HR. and Good riddance.

Chris its all a matter of opinion, personally I feel he did a good job! Even with good tools you have to know how to use them, just as being a good craftsman you will still find it difficult to produce a good job with poor/average tools, etc.

BTW nice to pass an otherwise boring Monday night debating with you!

El Jefe Thanks. I can see where you are coming from but sometimes a ship can steer itself to a certain extent, I still feel that any manager could have done just as well without trying very hard and most would have done better with the squad HR had. Still all this is just speculation and we will never know unless of course you have access to Dr. Who's TARDIS. LOL

Chris fair enough he said it before actually getting it (cannot remember but happily trust you on it), but it does ring true when many things considered. How can we compete against City, Chelski, Utd? Example being someone on here recently quoted me that we had an offer of something like £12m accepted for Oscar in the summer only then for Chelski to come along and blow us out of the water with double the bid and atleast no doubt double the wages! I am not complaining about it because that is life, but have to accept and recognise that it is not a level playing field and we simply cannot compete or at best will struggle very, very hard to do so. Even Arse with the big stadium and constant CL footy can attract players we would like to have and can also afford relatively higher wages, not top, top wages but decent wages and they struggle also! Cazorla would have been a great signing instead of Demps or Siggy or both but would he have come? We could certainly afford the transfer fee and I reckon would have been willing to pay it but would be willing to pay the wages even though IMHO we could actually afford them (especially as the combined salaries of Demps and Siggy are for sure higher than what Caz is getting over the road)?

I think what I am getting at with the long 2nd from last post is that Levy and the board now need to back AVB fully especially in the transfer windows and bring in what he wants, naturally and of course within justifiable reason! Moutinho and a top striker in January would not be out of the question IMHO, but remains to be seen what happens. Lennon also needs eventual replacing if we really mean business, although would keep him as an important member of the squad.

You too mate, was thinking the same thing had a long day and want to get some kip soon. All the best of luck for tommorow with the job interview, hope you get it!!!!! Thanks again, Carlos.

chrishove123.... Good luck with the interview mate, steer clear of football and you'll be fine ;-)

chrishove123- good luck.....don't forget to ask for the job!

Nice posts El Jefe - Still there are people in denial about HR ha. Even with that epic fail at the end of last season....where he got us..oh yeah 4th. Unbelievable ha. He did do a good job, was good for us at the time. Over the 4 years he was here it pretty much kicked off the end of the 'old top4 teams'. AVB is a massive step to take and can take up onwards and upwards (self steering ship my arse). He does need time, with a full team hopefully for the new year we might be in a good position to play a full strength squad. All the players back won’t need to rest but can actually up it a gear or two to A get in the team and B to build momentum and get on a winning run. Levy does need to back AVB in Jan, but we can’t just rely on that. It should be a case off adding to the talented side we already have. AVB I’m sure can get back to winning ways. The table is opening right up atm. COYS.

Do they give out medals for finishing fourth and getting CL qualification? The players got some for finishing runners-up in the CCup final, that's it under HR, that's all he did, apart from talk about every other team, every other teams players, sure we played some great football, best attacking team in the CL some said, but won nothing, If in 4yrs time and AVB goes the distance, see how we sit then. Yiddyboy one part of that post may just come true, i don't see Hughes lasting much longer, only HR missed the chance when they nearly had 2 from 8, his favourite Euro lotto lucky numbers, so he may have to change his pick, but soon he will be in at Lofty Road, Kevin is most likely setting up the sat nav, as we speak.

Kevin arriving at Hammersmith, continue along the A4020 Uxbridge Road, then turn left into Loftus Road. You have reached your destination, you can carry your own sodding bags under your eyes HR.

Spu - LOL. HR in work will give the media someone to talk to which hopefully will relieve the media witch hunt against AVB. Rumour has it HR has ordered a new car without windows, delivery date Jan 1st!!!

Although eventually would like Defoe replaced, have to accept that he is doing a good job for us at the moment and atleast short term needs to stay. Dawson can go though, seeing as Kaboul should hopefully be back before the next window opens.

HR did a fantastic job, the ride, the football he got us playing, the direction he took us which was UP. The CL, the prioritizing the important things, i.e the league and FA cup, giving our youth time and games and experience...such a bad man LOL. We were so close to trophys and could have won one if give more time. Oh the same time AVB needs no? AVB getting the same ***** is bad in alot of peoples books but then some still like to bad mouth in the exact same way. Well that's nice pretty patterns you are making.... Ive given AVB the same chance and backing as i gave HR as fans do. Oh I think Hughes has yet another chance to win against southampton before they give him the boot...but then again they said that about reading.

I think this debate has in one way proved my earlier point. The supporters are split badly over AVB and Redknapp, and I can't for the life of me think why. Redknapp is GONE - GET OVER IT! He ain't ever coming back. We have a new young guy who I don't doubt will be given a few years to prove himself. Let's get behind him. He's going to make a few mistakes. He's 34 for christ sake. Sometimes we'll lose at home to Wigan, sometimes the nerves around WHL will be so palpable we'll do silly things like concede in the final minutes to West Brom. But sometimes, and hopefully more often than usual, we'll play a defensive blinder against United and pull of a historic win. Sometimes we'll play badly against QPR or Soton and still win (isn't this the mark of a good team?). Sometimes we'll come up against an unbeaten Italian side and show we are the better team. And for those of you who think we already had a manager who could take us to the promised land, you are deluded. I just wish you'd look back at posts from when we played Norwich or Villa last year. I remember the anti-harry brigade then. My dad said recently that under Harry Spurs played their best football since Billy Nick. He had seen one game live in that time - an away match at Stoke with me in which we lost 2-1. I reminded him that during the first half of that game how terrible we were; ho unmotivated and scared. When I questioned him why he thought we played such good football he couldn't really answer, apart from to say we were 'attacking'. I reminded him that we would always lose to United, the defeats to Wolves and Stoke and Sunderland. The draws with Birmingham and West Brom. The capitulations against Arsenal, United and City. As someone on here commented, we were getting found out. Nice neat football in the middle of the pitch, teams would just wait to pick us off. Now I can't convince my dad and I doubt I'll convince people like RagingSpur, but I firmly believe we may have to take half a step back to go two forward. We might not get 4th this year, but in the long run I'm far far happier.

I don't really understand why HR is seen as the only alternative to AVB. Many of those who hate AVB want HR back. Those who say HR is our past get behind AVB and provide a blind faith in him. I wonder how many of us really disliking them BOTH? I for one will never forgive HR for what he did at Villa Park when we could have grabbed third place in the table ABOVE Arsenal FOR ONCE in my living memory as a fan (I know not long but still). It's not the fact his team dropped 10 points lead over their bitter rivals. It's only and merely about being a coward and pussy for not going to WIN that away match when everything was lined up in front of him to do so. As for AVB: much has been said so no need to sound like a broken record. If there is one word to describe him it would be: clueless. But that's not the point. The point is: surely there could have been someone who had all ingredients not to be labelled as "unnecessary gamble" after Harry? Someone young but not too young, someone who has a PL experience and whose team tries to actually play football instead of being negative, someone who can build a unit without relying too much on the individual brilliance of players, someone who has passion for the game but carries it on the pitch and encrusts it into his players instead of jumping and clenching fist on the sideline, someone who earns his respect because of what he does NOW without finding excuses in the long term project references. So the actual question is: Why did we do "Ramos" yet again?

Anybody expecting big players coming to Spurs either in January, or next summer, is dreaming. 1) Levy has a proven record of short arms and deep pockets. 2) Why would a top player come to Spurs now, we will be lucky to be in the top 6 in January, and 8th come the end of the season, is that likely to attract top players, especially when they have seen us sell Modric and VDV. In truth we are in transition, we must be the first PL team in history to voluntarily conspire to throw away our 3 top 5s in 3 seasons, 3 seasons in Europe, reaching he CL QF etc and settle for a transition into mediocrity. Levy has appointed 4 foreign coaches in Gross, Santini, Ramos and AVB and has yet apparently to get it right. He struck lucky when Santini's bottle went and he walked away, leaving MJ in charge, but he has yet to appoint a good un himself. He has yet to find a real success in any of his 8 managerial appointments.