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New Players or NPD?

Joe Lewis our venerable owner and owner of the Tavistock Group describes Spurs in its investment portfolio as: 'One of the oldest clubs in the English Premier League.

Tottenham Hotspur has won its share of glory since the club was formed in London's Park Lane in 1882. History-making accomplishments over the last six decades combined with a fan base of 20 million worldwide, a growing roster of international stars, and a significant television presence have made Tottenham Hotspur a global force on soccer's international stage.'

ENIC and Levy took over Tottenham Hotspur in 2001 and over the next few years slowly Lewis and Levy invested in Tottenham FC whilst disposing of their stakes in other football clubs as well as media and entertainment businesses to fund the purchase of Alan Sugar's remaining shares in 2007. ENIC continues to build up its stake and currently holds 85% of the club.

Lewis and Levy obviously recognised Spurs as having the most potential for success of all of their clubs that Lewis owned. Joe Lewis himself is currently listed by Forbes as the 290th richest person in the world and is 7th in the UK list with a net worth of $3.8 Billion. He spends a couple of months a year working from his yacht, the Aviva III, and has a vast art collection including works by; Picasso, Matisse, Lucian Freud and Francis Bacon.

As a Spurs fan I have grown used to experiencing the highs and the lows but I don't quite remember a time when I have felt so confused about my club. Neither are we getting consistent results, nor are we getting consistent performances. We don't mind winning ugly it's when we lose ugly that's when it really hurts.

Under Harry we went from bottom of the pile, struggling to get a win, to playing in the quarter finals of the Champions League. We were told that Daniel Levy wanted to take our club in a 'different direction' to the one that Harry would take us. Much talk was made about a new man who could 'take us to the next level'. Enter AVB!

There is a problem though, and it shows every time you read an article on VS or look at any of the Spurs blogs or stroll into the pubs around N17. What is the root cause for a lot of Spurs fans frustrations on the terraces and outside of White Hart Lane? Its two things: We have had a taste of the big time and we really liked it and we want more.

We have a new Manager who we now expect to take us to the next level. We also expected a cheque book to come with him. Instead, the start of the season saw us balancing the books. VDV and Modric gone and Siggy, Dempsey, Lloris and Dembele in instead! Last January it all kicked off when Danny wanted to get the Olympic Stadium as our new home. The NPD was going to cost too much. Now the OS is out of reach because our Daniel got up too many political noses. So here we are with the NPD as our new home.

I have to ask the question? $3.8bn, 7th richest fat cat in the country! What Mr Lewis and Mr Levy are you going to do in January to help your new Manager? The Fans want to know if the NPD and our New Training Centre has killed any chance of AVB strengthening the squad? If Joe value's a Matisse or a Picasso more than he does a new player then that his prerogative but you won't mind then if we ask you to give us back our club so we can find an investor who would like to take our club to the next level.

So, in January, will it be a case of 'give yer' man the tools and he will finish the job'? or is it 'put up or shut up cos' we can't afford the New Training Ground and the NPD and get expensive new players as well'?

Written by OyVeh Maria



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Writer:OyVeh Maria
Date:Wednesday November 21 2012
Time: 9:00AM

Comments

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It's been going on for years, it won't change
The Hudd
21/11/2012 09:09:00
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Goodbye RDM...
Mix26
21/11/2012 09:13:00
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Levy must have something up his sleeve, other wise the appointment of AVB wouldnt make sense. If levy knows he's not going to have any money to spend for x amount of years you need a manager that can utilise the resources he been given, perfect candidate Harry redknapp!
coys1717
21/11/2012 09:19:00
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Pep for the Chelsea job then?
SpursOne2
21/11/2012 09:21:00
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I think u already know the answer OM. The club will never be run like Chelscum, City and in a way United. It's first and foremost a business... That said how was AVB supposed to try his new sqaud and automatically buy 50 mil worth of talent? Paitence im afraid.
Mix26
21/11/2012 09:22:00
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I hope a new rule is implemented whereby you cannot sack a manager during the season. This way the media and fans we channel their views on other matters. AVB will come good if given the tools and time to prove himself. Rome wasn't built in a day! Yes, Levy, ENIC or Lewis need to back him but they shouldn't interfere with the selecting of the players only the negotiations. My real worry is certain pockets of fans won't give AVB this time, they are all stuck in the Harry days where we played attractive football ONLY. No prizes!! The saddest thing about supporting Spurs is WE, US FANS are our own worst enemy. Harry got QF in the champions league once and now we all expect it every year. If we apply this logic then historically Utd, Citeh, Arsenal, Chelski and even Liverpool have more right to play in the CL than we do. Imagine going to work every day and your colleagues are ar5ehole5, how would you feel? Now get behind the players and the manager and you'll be surprised what effect YOU can have on YOUR football club.
yiddyboy
21/11/2012 09:22:00
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lets get teh stadium hopefully win a cup or 3 then move on from there, we will never compete with the City UTD'd chelsea etc whilst they have money to burn. It is not about superstars we have Sandro Bale, Lloris Verts, Kabuol, Ade we just need one or two more to complete us.
Aussie Yiddo
21/11/2012 09:24:00
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coys1717, Redknapp please, you wanna see neilsen Saha and neville at teh lane, ***** why not make an attempt to get *****ing neville southall out of retirement because if he was in charge we would have a squad average of 32
Aussie Yiddo
21/11/2012 09:26:00
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Nothing will happen as usual but maybe the odd pathetic bargains Levy is addicted to. I do adore our chairmen but sometimes he has to stick his hand a little deeper in his pocket and sign a REAL talant (moutinho). Show Dempsey, Friedel, Bentley and jenas the door in January.
01tottenham
21/11/2012 09:30:00
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A creative midfielder to work with Sandro and Dembele would be nice, so give him the tools. COYS.
SpursOne2
21/11/2012 09:30:00
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How cynical, short-sighted and stupid do Chelsea look ONCE AGAIN! Surely we don't want our club looked upon in the same way? It's time for ENIC and us the fans to get behind AVB so he can prove he is the right man for the mighty Spurs.
SpuriousLife
21/11/2012 09:30:00
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Aussie Yiddo- I was joking with Redknapp. But my point still stands.
coys1717
21/11/2012 09:31:00
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Nice article Oh Veh. My perspective is that I always look at the size of the squad as the biggest inhibitor to our progress, not the available transfer kitty. When you consider we have the current senior squad that AVB uses plus Jenas, Bentley, Khumalo, Rose, Dawkins, Obika etc. Unlike Harry, AVB would have also checked some dates of birth and noticed that Caulker, Townsend, Smith, Parrett and Mason will all need to be registered as senior players next season.

As we move through this season, AVB knows that we're on a trajectory of 35 players vying for 25 places. Hopefully that will be softened a little if we let Gallas, Friedel and Cudicini go without extending their contracts. That in itself is his inhibitor to moving the squad forward as without doubt he will also want to bring in players from outside the club. He'll be keen to shift more than he buys in January.

As for whether there is money there or not, I think there is as long as the risk is managed. Levy worked hard over last summer to get the balance sheet right-sized after we had gone into overspend mode without Champs League football. Levy will buy big as long as it's a younger player that he can amortise over a minimum 5 year term. Let's not pretend though that Lewis will start chucking money at the club though in the same way other billionaires do. It's just not gonna happen. We are run as a business.
muttley
21/11/2012 09:31:00
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I support the team and have joined the 1882 movement to support the NextGen series but the first team appears to have no passion. Ok we tried to take it to Arsenal on the weekend but in previous games at the lane we have been very poor.

I have no idea what to suggest and will obviously keep supporting our team, cheering not jeering ( maybe a frustrated groan every now and again! )

I think the NPD and formerly the OS are going to be a burden and a strain on the team. With most money coming from TV rights nowadays I would have tried to increase capacity at Spurs rather than a complete rebuild, not sure if that is viable though. COYS
ro6ertj
21/11/2012 09:37:00
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it appears rafa the gaffer has already held talks,the one we should have got,
ghulamville
21/11/2012 09:38:00
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I posted this the other day, but its probably more relevant to this thread. I don't necessarily agree all the sentiment in this Indy article, but the financial stats make interesting reading if you have the time to glance through it: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/daniel-levys-genius-has-given-spurs-a-chance-to-finally-rein-in-rivals-arsenal-8324093.html
jacobslad
21/11/2012 09:41:00
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Good article...I think there is a divergence of interest between the fans/success on the pitch and the owners and their need to make a profit...the NDP will saddle us with a debt which no-one has explained how long will take to repay? We should all know that gate receipts are a fraction of the overall income of a club the real money is in TV and commercial revenue that can be maximised by on-field success, we reached the promised land of the CL- by investing the profit in a couple of players we could have started the virtuous cycle and then after a couple of years CL money and tthe ability to attract players we could have started the new stadium...if one were needed. But instead it looks like we have opted for a vanity training center and a new stadium that will increase the clubs value but not bring us the financial muscle to compete with the big boys...the chink of light is that our owner is a foriegn based billionaire....
shedboy2
21/11/2012 09:44:00
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muttley...I didn't know all those players were still ours! You make a very good observation and a big shake up is necessary. Presumably Carroll will still be a freebee to the squad next year. I think he is aged 20 now.
jacobslad
21/11/2012 09:44:00
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ghulamville- I wrote an article about that before AVB's appointment, he was the logical choice for me also, sadly not many on VS agree.
coys1717
21/11/2012 09:45:00
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I thought it was the Northumberland Development Project (NDP) we were talking about???
shedboy2
21/11/2012 09:45:00
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NLD THEN players. It is that simple. We already spent more money this season on players than Harry was given in the last few windows put together. Yet still it hasn't made the difference. AVB easily has a good enough squad to get 4th, but I do not see him being able to do it playing his high line tactics, playing Gallas, messing up Lloris, and sticking with Defoe.
TonyRich
21/11/2012 09:48:00
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I don t think the chav fans will like that ha. They were singing 'we dont we dont want rafa' when they sacked AVB
SpursOne2
21/11/2012 09:49:00
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muttley -I'm not too worried about the size of our squad as you point out we will lose Gallas, Brad, Carlo at the end of the season...I believe JJ is out of contract as well. Khumalo is playing very well in greece and won't be a problem to sell at a profit, Rose I would think will also go. The only difficult one might be Bentley! As for those coming through only 2 or 3 will make first team the others will probably be loaned....
shedboy2
21/11/2012 09:53:00
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coys1717, so sorry, i thought u was serious silly me !!! but I agree with the sentiments of your post .. we do need to stick with AVB, yes he will make me furious when we lose however he is good for us ... bringing on carroll, ok persists with dempsey who i think will never settle at the lane another rasiak ... hope lloris is now our number one ... forget the arsenal game we would never of lost wih 11 v 11 so what if we fin 9th let him get in who he wants then judge him
Aussie Yiddo
21/11/2012 09:56:00
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has to be new the stadium. This season is well and truly gone already so forget it, let avb finish the year then we can judge him. Currently I have seen nothing in this man that we couldn't have got by picking ANY lower league manager. But thats another arguement. The stadium is more important so we can generate the revenue to pay the wages nesscesary. Without that we shall just continue to buy the level of player we are now. Good players but not great players. So continually buying the smae class of player is pointless. We need the stadium NOW !!!
jimmy-yid
21/11/2012 09:57:00
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shedboy2 - Arsenal's new stadium means they bring in twice the match day revenue we do. How exactly does that "not bring us the financial muscle to compete with the big boys" ?
jod
21/11/2012 09:58:00
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will somone please explain how long it will take the extra 16k seats at home games to pay off the £250-450 million cost of building a stadium? And how during that time we will fund our transfers?
shedboy2
21/11/2012 09:59:00
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Mix26 - United is not run like Man City and Chelsea, in fact its the complete opposite. Abramovitch and the Arabs pump vast sums of money into their clubs, The Glazers take money out. United only keeps going because it generates so much cash itself.
jod
21/11/2012 10:01:00
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tony rich redknapp wasted money on chimbonda crouch keane palacios, i wouldnt trust him after that maybe 20 million of that is with rosie
Aussie Yiddo
21/11/2012 10:01:00
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shedboy its the corporate areas and better concourse mate :( sad as it is thats what makes money on matchday these days :(
wiltshirespur
21/11/2012 10:02:00
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jod- they have been lucky with Arsen...you may have noticed they have spent the least amount of new money on players in the PL and maintained CL status for the past 10 odd years...are you willing to wait 15 years possibly more just to get back into the CL??
shedboy2
21/11/2012 10:02:00
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and Manu generate that cash because they are the biggest global brand...built by their success on the pitch!!!
shedboy2
21/11/2012 10:03:00
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shedboy2 - I just bought a house, and I am not saddled with debt - even though I owe thousands and thousands of pounds. Over the years, the house pays for itself. I pay a little bit of interest for the pleasure. A no brainer. It does not affect my ability to spend money on other things. The same with NDP - it will pay for itself. The finance for the NDP will not eat into transfer budgets. Besides, the squad should pay for itself too. We have a lot of money invested in the squad. When he eventually leaves, selling Bale should raise funds for 2 players at least. The gate-receipts plus cash raised from match day advertising, refreshments, hospitality all go up and this will fund a higher wage bill. THEN we can attract guys like Suarez and co, who are on salaries that we cannot afford right now. There is no point in going for short-term solutions like splash now, invest later - because Leeds tried that as an example, and went from potential CL regular to Lower leagues. Given that we just had our best 7-8 year patch in the EPL, why do people think that we are going about this the wrong way?
TonyRich
21/11/2012 10:05:00
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"Tottenham's latest accounts (2010-11) revealed a wage bill of £91m. But turnover was up to £163m enabling Levy to turn a £32m profit before spending £20m net on players. However, that included Champions League income. Spurs normally turn over around £120m. Arsenal's income since moving to the Emirates has averaged around £225m."
jacobslad
21/11/2012 10:05:00
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jacobs - yeah, I think Carroll might be a free pick for one more year. Clearly Jenas and Bentley would be the biggest drain on the wage-bill if we ended up with them back at the club. It also scares me to think how much we're wasting on the combined salaries of Lloris, Friedel, Cuducini and Gomes. That lot probably earn £10-15m a year between them and 2 just sit around doing nothing. Levy and AVB have to fix that soon and re-invest that money.
muttley
21/11/2012 10:06:00
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to be honest, WHL has become so stale and poisonous this season that I feel it will almost be a relief to put it out of its misery and move to the shiny, soulless, comfortable, atmosphereless arena that many of our fans seem to crave :'(
wiltshirespur
21/11/2012 10:06:00
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wiltshirespur- I know and can sometimes be found in those areas....but how long will the home games take to pay off that huge sum???? I don't think AVB is a patch on Arsen and I can't think of another coach that could keep his team in CL given the amount he's spent...not SAF, Jose or Moyes....I do not want a new stadium if it means that we stop challenging for the next 20 years....by which time the demagraphics will have changed and we won't be able to fill it....we could do a Wolves!!!
shedboy2
21/11/2012 10:08:00
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Definitely we need to back AVB in teh transfer market and gicve him a chance. Though reports that are saying he will get a 20m "warchest" in Jan while maintianing interst in Moutinho and needing a new striker seem ridiculous. I'd like to see how 20m is going to buy a player we agreed 20m plus for only a few months back plus a decent striker. If thats the sort of funding we're talking about then he needs backing both in Jan and the Summer before he can be truely judged.

p.s. who wants to take the Chelsea approach though and boot him out now. They are a fecking disgrace but those calling for AVBs head already are no better.
MJBSpur
21/11/2012 10:12:00
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Maybe some of these other amazing fans that will join those at already at WHL will help lift the roof.......
SpursOne2
21/11/2012 10:13:00
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shedboy I what tonyrich says is true, it sets us up for the future while simultaneously paying for itself
wiltshirespur
21/11/2012 10:13:00
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Aussie Yiddo - Got our money back on Chimbonda, Palacios saved us from relegation and then we sold him on for 6m - got our use form him. Got our money back on Crouch. Keane re-signed, so a deal that suited us more than Liverpool.....so what was your point? I wouldn't trust Harry with the purse strings either, but he finished 4th, spending 5m all season whilst Liverpool spent 20m on Downing alone.
TonyRich
21/11/2012 10:14:00
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shedboy2 - If you read Arsenal fans moans they are mainly about the fact that the club has money in the bank they are not spending. They got past the cashflow problems from the construction a few years ago. Your comments about the extra 16k seating are slightly missing the point. With the Emirates Arsenal were able to obtain a big boost in corporate hospitality income, something Levy will no doubt replicate. This means that the income went up by more than the capacity. As far as financing goes the Emirates already seems to show the long term benefits far outweigh any short term pain. The point is that without a new stadium we cannot compete, its that simple. A team has to be rebuilt every few years, a stadium lasts a hundred years.
jod
21/11/2012 10:14:00
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MJB, realistically, Friedel,Cudicini, and Gomes (I think he is in the last yearof contract like the other 2) can talk to other teams surely if we get shot of them that would save x amount on wages to cover a striker LLorente would be great remember ADe is gone to the ANC in Jan so up to 6 weeks with just Defoe and Dempsey is not reassuring if you ask me hopefully Levy is aware of this and has set aside a deal for Mountiho we have the 40 million from Modric and VDV sales this season or has that been taken up by the siginings of Lloris Vert Sig Dem and dempsey .... what ever hapeend AVB will come good for us as said Carroll, Caulker and hopefully Naughton will come thru that will save us loads on wages.
Aussie Yiddo
21/11/2012 10:17:00
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TR- I get the mortgage comparison....but at the moment we don't have a mortgage...that's why we've just had 7 years of good footy...so lets bulldoze your house make a slightly larger one but you'll have to get a tennant and stop going out to pay for it....As for it not eating into the transfer budget, why? that's what Arse board said to....but they have spent the least amount on players in the prem. and financed their stadium and new players through player sales....I admire what they have done but to expect to be able to copy it....one in a million.
shedboy2
21/11/2012 10:17:00
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i have never understood this resentment that joe lewis doesn't simply throw money at the club like abramovich etc. why the ***** should he? i believe that a club should be self sufficient and financially viable and sustainable. levy has done a great job balancing the books and that is extremely important. do we really want to buy a title and then collapse into oblivion like blackburn or leeds. Why should lewis be vilified because he choses to run the club as a business? Is he keeping out hoards of billionaires vying to throw away hundreds of millions in a futile spending war with chelsea and city? i for one am proud that spurs operate a true sustainable financial model and i feel that the irresponsible abberations at city and chelsea will destroy the game we love. this notion that harry was fired and AVB brought in because levy and co felt that harrys results were not good enough and therefore that AVB should certainly finish at least fourth are equally flawed. harrys approach was not sustainable, thats the point. the wage bill more than doubled under harry, meanwhile more than half the squad were completely alienated and drained value. the preferred transfer targets of high earning oldies with no sell on value is hardly sustainable either. the club couldn't afford to continue with harry no matter where he finished. AVB is not here to better harrys results, he is here to manage the club in a sustainable way, bringing through the youth players (carroll and caulker have certainly benefited) and managing the whole squad (we have fielded more squad members than any other team so far). if fans started adjusting their expectations a little to conform to the reality of the PL as it is today and actually supported this manager he may yet show that he can also better harry in the results business too
Guernman
21/11/2012 10:20:00
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MJB Spur. I agree what you say re AVB and Chelsea. According to some media today DiMatteo, the great saviour, may be on his way already.
jacobslad
21/11/2012 10:21:00
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TonyRich - after that though, the annual wage bill went from £67m to £91m in one season and a 1/3 of the squad was ostracised. It's easy to talk transfer fees only but we also have to look at size of squads, wage bills etc. Our balance sheet has been sub-optimal for the last 2-3 years but Levy is now pulling it back into shape. We need a smaller squad, higher salaries and every player contributing to the balance sheet. Last summer made huge inroads into that strategy as we had a major haircut. We're not there yet but getting close to every playing member contributing to the balance sheet.
muttley
21/11/2012 10:21:00
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As for spending money, people need to look at 4th place and 20th place. QPR have invested heavily in manager and players, yet scraped survival last season due to results elsewhere, and this season are rock bottom, winless, and in trouble. West Brom on the other hand are a team built on a shoe string budget. None of their players cost much at all. I would easily take Shane Long off their hands to play in the hole, and he cost merely 4-6m. I would take Mulumbu too, and he cost 175k. You do not need to splash 20m on players in order to get good ones.
TonyRich
21/11/2012 10:23:00
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Can we have RDM as AVB's number 2 now? :-)
muttley
21/11/2012 10:25:00
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muttley - the squad should be used in a way that maximises points. It is as simple as that. If someone is not playing, you do not play him just to justify his salary! If he is not playing, then you sell him, loan him out, or whatever. That's what we have done with Bentley, Jenas etc... Our squad IS now smaller. It must not get any smaller - apart from shedding the immense duplication in GK and CB. We MUST NOT have higher salaries until revenue goes up, and that is when the stadium arrives.
TonyRich
21/11/2012 10:28:00
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jacobslad- I read that report before, it seemed to contradict other figures I've seen, so I'd take it all with a pinch of salt...the bottom line is we don't really know what our finances are like....we de-listed for a reason.
shedboy2
21/11/2012 10:30:00
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muttley did you just advocate getting rid of stephan freund as no. 2? because that is akin to treason imo.
wiltshirespur
21/11/2012 10:32:00
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Buying a piece of art is not the same as buying a footballer. Art's value appreciates over time, footballers value depreciates. You can enjoy a piece of art for the rest of your life, footballers only last 10 years at most. Its not comparable to compare owning art to buying footballers.
Tactically Challenge
21/11/2012 10:34:00
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It's been 13 seasons now since Sir Sugar sold on our club to his ENIC Mafia mates. He stayed on for half of those empty trophy cabinet years as a director keeping an eye on his apprentice loser Danny Boy, until he got the big pay off. which totaled a reported 75 million. A 75 million profit for Sir Sugar, for 1 league Cup and Danny Boy loser Levy! Thanks Sir Amstrad Sugar! Sir Sugar can still be seen up there in the ENIC directors box (in Joe Lewis's absence) scoffing on smoke salmon bagels that the fans are paying for, whilst his clueless apprentice, Danny Boy watches on, deciding how long his latest 'scapegoat' coach will be given before he gets out his famous little ENIC back stabbing dagger, yet again... Meanwhile last seasons highly entertaining football team that finished in an official Champions League qualifying position in 2 out of the last 3 seasons has all but disintegrated. The sweet on the floor passing football has disappeared, along with the clubs 2 star players. The new 'scapegoat' coach has not been backed in the transfer market and already fans and media are predicting how long AVB will be given? Who will be Danny Boys next 'scapegoat' coach be? 'Scapegoat' coach number 9? And who will that clueless fool of a Fantasy Football chairman buy for us in the Jan transfer window? And who will he sale to make more big profits for our scrooge of a triple billionaire sugar daddy owner at the expense of our football team??? As for the new stadium, well it's all gone very, very ENIC quite. Can you hear the ENIC sing???
pelebro
21/11/2012 10:36:00
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Guernman and Muttley. Great to hear 2 people who actually get it. Under Harry in terms of sustainability we were heading the same way as Pompey. Sure he won them the FA Cup but at what cost? AVB is here to build a long lasting challenge not provide a quick fix. You only have to look at the performances that our youth sides are turning in and the clubs those young players are being linked with (3 linked with RM and Barca of late) to see the foundations are in place for our future. AVB has been brought in cause he is interested in the long term and developing those areas of the club aposed to Harry who was only interested in short term fixes with one eye on his next job. We will have to be patient and I know that isn't something most spurs fans are capable of but we have to think long term for once not short term. Hare and the Tortoise and all that!
MJBSpur
21/11/2012 10:37:00
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....if course the alternative is getting a billionaire chairmen in who will splash the cash but I'd wager most fans who moan about AvB are the same fans that want to keep the soul of the club and be run viably.
MJBSpur
21/11/2012 10:39:00
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TR - from April to August is a 1/3 of the financial year and we've ended up for the last 3 years haemorrhaging millions on players salaries who have no material value to the first team. That's not including the devaluation of players because they're sitting around kicking their heals. We've ended up loaning out over 25's as the only means to recovering cost and we're still doing it. To compete in all competitions we probably need the 22-25 senior players plus free picks. However, our squad today has about 30 senior guys in it and the loan systems is damage limitation. I don't want to leave AVB with less players to work with on a weekly basis. I just want shot of the deadwood once and for all so he can manoeuvre in the transfer market.
muttley
21/11/2012 10:44:00
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pelebro - ENIC have obviously been a success, and anyone who does not think this is either a) completely ignoring the facts, b) have an irrational hatred of those guys. I can accept arguments that perhaps they will not be the best to take us forward from this point on. But from my viewpoint, they took over from Spurs' worst time in EPL, and the went on to oversee our best time in EPL.
TonyRich
21/11/2012 10:46:00
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wiltshire - OK, RDM can be Freund's No 2 :-)
muttley
21/11/2012 10:46:00
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You people do realise the whole Levy loves a bargain thing only came about with Redknapp in charge don't you? Yes, he has always been a tough negotiator (no bad thing in my books), but before that we had the aim of targeting Europe's top young talents, i.e. Bale, Modric, Kevin Prince-Boateng, Taarabt, Bent, Berbatov, etc. With Redknapp our targets were changed to those with experience in the Premier League, i.e. Crouch, Palacios, Saha, etc.
Mex_yiddo
21/11/2012 10:49:00
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MJBSpur- I agree Harry was unsustainable, i also get the reasoning behind the appointment of AVB and hope he can start laying some foundations for a longterm future BUT reality is managers get an average of 14 months in their role before either being fired or head-hunted....so if AVB is not fired chances are he'll be head-hunted by one of the big boys that we can't compete with...ideal scenario is he does well, gets all the fans on his side and feels so loyal that he stays like Arsene has when the big boys come calling....didn't do that at Porto though...:(
shedboy2
21/11/2012 10:53:00
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Well said TonyRich! People do seem to forget the position we were in before ENIC and DL took over. They rave about our recent years under Harry as if they weren't responsible for it. Laughable really. They also overlook the fact that Harry not only threw away 4th the season before last but also 3rd last season. If they want to point fingers at why we have tasted CL but not progressed they aught to reassess the facts cause by my reckoning we should of played CL for the last 3 years and the blame for that lays with Mr Bull*****ter Reknapp.
MJBSpur
21/11/2012 10:55:00
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I've decided to put my name forward for the vacant Chelsea manager job. I thought to myself, why not? I'm not doing anything over the next few weeks.

Roberto Di Matteo sacked by Chelsea. Apparently the decision was made after the team's failure to win Wimbledon, the Grand National and bring home any Gold medals from the Olympics.
Tottenham Hotcore
21/11/2012 10:59:00
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Muttley - you need a squad. A first XI, a backup XI - that is 22 already. You need a third keeper, you need at least 4 senior CBs in total. 3-4 strikers in total. It is a NECESSARY cost for a long hard season. We HAVE 28 senior players, yet you say we need 22-25. So basically you are making this fuss over 3 players. Just 3. We are not haemorrhaging millions because we do not get ripped off in salary negotiations like Liverpool and co do. The ones who are not likely to play are usually on lower salaries. The ones on good salaries and not playing are guys that we cannot shift - Bentley, Jenas etc... We need to get rid of those two, plus Khumalo and one of the keepers. Not a major problem as 3 are on loan right now.
TonyRich
21/11/2012 11:01:00
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With RDM Sacked, can we make a move for chelski's club doctor Eva Carneiro, at least it would brighten up match days.
spu 4 life
21/11/2012 11:05:00
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Jod yes that's correct hence I put in a way United, but they do have the spending power to compete and the attraction.
Mix26
21/11/2012 11:08:00
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why are people shocked RDM has been sacked? RA didn't want him, he got to stay as they improved after AVB and won the CL. RDM got a new contract and has made money out of it....I thought RA wanted Pep so will be shocked if Rafa turns up there, who knows it could even be Arry!
shedboy2
21/11/2012 11:24:00
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It seems obvious to me that the board have been both prudent and ambitious. I understand that the Xbox managers are frustrated that their fantasies are not been fulfilled but the real life stakes are high. In Ramos, Rednap and now AVB, Levy has not bought cheaply and the player wage bill has been allowed to increase significantly too. The new training centre and stadium plans are also good investments. However, central to the plan was/is the virtuous circle of CL qualification followed by the attraction of marquee players. Rednap fell at the final hurdle two years in a row and now AVB is struggling to justify the faith placed in him to get the best out of a decent squad. Levy can't risk paying over the top for players until he is sure that the manager can get the payback and keep the overall strategy on course. That is where all the nervousness about AVB stems from.
Love totty
21/11/2012 11:25:00
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I thought RDM might survive until after the Man City game. There must be a replacement already lined up...could be HR?
jacobslad
21/11/2012 11:26:00
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TR - please stop twisting my words. Every time I chat with you it seems to happen. I say "we've ended up for the last 3 years haemorrhaging millions". You quote me as "we are not haemorrhaging millions". I never said we were NOW. I said our balance sheet has been sub-optimal for the last 3 years and it has taken it's toll. We have 29 senior pro's at the club and in my mind it is still carrying 6 too many (Cuducini or Gomes, Jenas, Bentley, Khumalo, Dawkins, Obika). We're no longer haemorrhaging but the bleeding hasn't stopped yet. Most people on here know I'm a fan of Levy but he did let things get out of control for a while. He let 13 senior pro's go in the summer and that helped enormously but it's still work in progress to get the squad right-sized. I'm not saying AVB doesn't need up to 25 players. I never have. In any season he needs to flex that based on the strength of the free-picks supporting the senior pro's.
muttley
21/11/2012 11:29:00
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1 League Cup in 12 seasons, the worst trophy per season percentage of any Tottenham owners in over half a century, despite being by far the wealthiest THFC owners in the clubs history! No new promised stadium in 13 seasons and counting... and the best football team in the ENIC era destroyed in one short summer by Danny Boy loser Levy, and yet you ENIC HOTSPUR FANS are still singing loser Levy's praises??? Harry was brought in to save Levy's arse from relegation and overachieved, it's that simple. But have no fear ENIC HOTSPUR FANS, normal ENIC HOTSPUR business has been resumed by your fantasy football hero, of a loser football chairman! LEVY/LEWIS/ENIC OUT!!!
pelebro
21/11/2012 11:30:00
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Current capacity just over 36,000, new capacity anywhere from 56,000 - 60,000 (hopefully the latter) but lets take it at 56,000 so an extra 20,000 seats! If we charge an average of £50 (no doubt will be more but for argument's sake) thats an extra £1m per home game assuming it fills out. Thats an extra £20m roughly per Prem season not including cup games! Then there's all the non-football commercial stuff that will bring in extra revenue but thats not bein factored in. So taking it on just the extra numbers for hopefully sold out Prem games, over 25-30 years should bring in an absolute minimum of £500-600m extra revenue (and remember tickets prices tend to go up every year and I have not factored that in either)! That in itself should pay for the current costs of making the stadium and also a decent proportion of the interest that will be charged on the loan, all in IMHO of course!
El Jefe
21/11/2012 11:34:00
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El Jefe..according to some sources, Arsenal banked £5M for Saturdays game, and in the return match we will bank less than half of that.
jacobslad
21/11/2012 11:39:00
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i hope some of our fans now see the idiocy of firing a manager so early in the season.AVB would have been sacked by chelsea regardless of how well he did over there.win the champs league,win the FA cup get sacked after 4 bad games......who wants/needs a sugar daddy owner now?mancini next......its not ALWAYS about spending big money,(torres anyone?),its about spotting/nurturing talent and spending wisely.......mata at spurs next season?haa-haa!(avb did bring him to chelsea,did he not?).
g. roberts testes
21/11/2012 11:42:00
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ej- thanks, that's what I was looking for BUT 25 to 30 years!!! That's why I think we'll have 10-15years in the wilderness....ENIC must have another plan for the stadium rather than just self financing...I wonder what it is?
shedboy2
21/11/2012 11:43:00
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