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Tottenham Hotspur vs. West Ham United.

It is probably fair to say that West Ham are punching well above their weight at the moment, whilst Spurs don't seem to be able to punch their way out of a damp paper bag…

Maybe a little harsh on Spurs, who may well have lost five and won only two of their last nine games, but I wonder if we would all have been so down if we had witnessed a victory at The Emirates last weekend, that looked quite likely until Adebayor's moment of madness that saw us play the majority of the game with ten men after looking so dominant with eleven.

Sure we are yet to see consistency of play or great free flowing or even pressing high tempo football, that we hoped for under AVB, but it is clear to me that however much we look to point the finger at our manager, there are far too many players who are simply not performing to anything like their potential, whilst either due to injuries or simply not having the right players, we are struggling to adapt to a new managers demands and a more tactical system, that the fans were also crying out for not so long ago.

As for West Ham, I get the feeling that Big Sam will never be their ideal type of manager. Too long ball for their supposed artistic tastes, but I very much doubt that any manager could or would have done better in turning round a team that was only going one way and though they may not always be pretty, with the likes of Noble, Nolan and Carroll, they certainly seem to be affective and nailed on for at least a mid table place this season, which considering the quality and depth of their squad if one hell of an achievement.

Again Spurs have the disadvantage of not having recovery or preparation time for a game that they really have to get something from. One or two players do look leggy and with several players either still out or struggling, it is easy to see this game as another banana skin that we could slip and land squarely on our backsides.

If we look at current form and results however, are we as guilty of bigging West Ham up as much as we are putting Tottenham down. After all, West Ham have only won three of their last ten games with wins over bottom placed QPR (A), 2nd bottom Southampton (H) and a Europa fatigued Newcastle, though in the latter case, should that make us more aware of our own tired legs?

Spurs will be without a suspended Adebayor, still injured, Parker, BAE and Kaboul, plus Dembele is still not 100% and remains a doubt. In the case of Dembele, I wonder if Tom Carroll has yet convinced AVB that he is deserving of a start alongside Sandro tomorrow or will we be more cautious and stick with Tommy Huddlestone if Mousa isn't deemed fit enough? Similarly in attack, Jermain Defoe is nailed on to start, but does anyone have the slightest confidence in either Dempsey or Sigurdsson to offer either enough quality or support? Is there a logic if looking elsewhere with someone like Ryan Mason or Iago Falque who have both impressed when called upon and looked outstanding for the U-21s this season. Alternatively, if Dembele is fit, could we push him higher and look to partner either Hudd or Carroll with Sandro in the middle?




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday November 24 2012

Time: 12:44PM

Your Comments

3 points and is all I want
what_sux
Never mind the confidence in our players. It's the THFC supporters who I don't have belief in. Many Spurs fans would give their left nut to get to WHL to support our club, manager and more importantly the players. A game against an old enemy with unsavory players, manager and a witch on the board should give our mediocre fans a little more spirit.
Mix26
COYS!!! Must win game!!!!!!!
HuddersfieldYiddo
It's that time of the season when we need to start collecting points.
spuradic
on a regular basis...
spuradic
we need a win tomorrow to get us back in the mix. it wont be easy though an if dembele isnt fit then carroll has to start for me
BrooksySpurs
Can't see any hope for us tomorrow. Our form and results get worse and wet spam will come to WHL with confidence of getting all three points as they have been getting points. We are the fourth ranked team in London now...a year ago we were easily the best
Forever Spurs
Big game for many reasons. Lloris,walker,gallas,caulker,vertonghen, lennon,huddlestone,sandro,bale, dembele,defoe. subs;friedel,naughton,dawson,livermore, falque,carroll,townsend. "come on you spurs"
82spursdebut
forever i think thats bit of an overreaction. weve hhit a bit of bad form yes but form is temporary. an we havent exactly had a lot of luck recently. i know you cant use that as an excuse but we can still argue about being better than arsenal an hopefully chelsea soon enough. saying this lot are better than us is a bit of a stretch.
BrooksySpurs
We need this win,AVB needs this win.We have to win. 3 points that's all that matters.And Westbrom,they just jumped to third spot and 9 points ahead of us..*********
SilwalYid
any Spurs fan expecting a loss really has no business with such belief and 'support'.... we're at home, have the better players and should dominate the game if the players don't feed off the negativity and pathetic 'support' of the spectators.... we played Citeh, Chelsea and Arsenal in those defeats mentions, so get a grip and grow a pair (even collectively)
Viyyash-Ramosh
i'm predicting one less london team in the prem' next season.....i.e....QPR ..to be relegated....lol
82spursdebut
ooops !!...palace are doing well...lol
82spursdebut
My biggest concern is the referee appointment, apparently we are getting Clattenburg in his first game back. All referees like to be in the MOTM category, making headlines and providing points for discussion. None will be more determined to be the star performer than this bloke on his return. After all he is historically no friend of Spurs, ask Pedro Mendes.
Frank
canne blame clattenburg for that goal.......unless he was the linesman. Give the man a break.......he stood up to the chelski hoodlums...lol
82spursdebut
Ithink HR will keep QPR up, they have too many good players to go down, Mark Hughes would be a good manar if he was half as good as he thinks he is. He had a decent un at Blackburn, but since then at Man City, Fulham, and now QPR, he just ain't been up to it. Redknapp will get them playing. Having said that rather than worry about them, and making silly comments like "I hope they get relegated" or "I hope Redknapp fails", lets concentrate on where we finish, with our "Windows 8" and "Microsoft Excel" and notebook tactical whiz-kid manager, with his wealth of playing experiance.
Frank
sorry about the typos, keyboard playing silly buggers again but only on this site.
Frank
Lets stop this Harry crap.I know he'll buy Dawson from us.But First things First!We have Wet Spam a*** to kick!Come On You AVB :)
SilwalYid
dempsey for hoilett ..harry ?....we'll bung you a few quid too.
82spursdebut
Arry finally manages to achieve his ultimate Life-ambition.... work for the richest man in the country
Viyyash-Ramosh
82spursdebut-I'd rather fancy Granero than Hoilett!
SilwalYid
82spursdebut-I'd rather fancy Granero than Hoilett!
SilwalYid
82spursdebut-I'd rather fancy Granero than Hoilett!
SilwalYid
82spursdebut, I will never give referees a break, not until a) they stop favourig certain clubs (particularly Man U and Red Nose). And b) they display even a hint of competence. By and large they are hopeless, and ruin far more games than they enhance, they get as many key decisions wrong, as they do right. If Howard Webb is allegedly the best, it only shows you how good the rest are.
Frank
i might be wrong..but i don't think granero is qpr's player. don't want any qpr player really. All spurs require is top top striker.
82spursdebut
Frank..i'm doubting you could run round the pitch once.....let alone do a 10 mile run in 90 mins'!...lol Not the refs' fault that technology is not being used.
82spursdebut
82spursdebut, you don't need technology to go to "Specsavers", or trouser a brown envelope. No I could'nt run the pitch for 90 minutes, neither will any of them when they get to my age, but there again nobody ever paid me £500 for 90 minutes work, I always had to earn mine.
Frank
anyway, the linesman was to blame for not giving that goal. Technology should be used. Refs'...are human. never seek perfection, cos' you will never be happy....lol thank god for that !!..lol
82spursdebut
not to mention every single team having players that will cheat by diving (Suarez), snide fouling (Suarez) and whinging about every decision not going their way (Suarez)...... if you cheat and cry wolf, dont be surprised when nowt happens when you are fouled/hard done by..
Viyyash-Ramosh
If we lose to West Ham Levy will get nervous and we might just revisit his manager list.
MrSpurs
yes, here's hoping mr williams lands one perfectly on suarez...before spurs play liverpool wednesday. We could do with a bit of luck...lol
82spursdebut
mr spurs......wouldn't surprise me...if i were levy...i'd toss a coin, if we lose vs westham. He goes ! he stays !.....lol
82spursdebut
ppl on here saying we have no chance, this is a team who were in the championship last season and we should be worried about them, ffs.
123spurs
I honestly can't see us winning a game with AVB in charge. I just wonder how long Levy will give it before admitting that he has made a terrible mistake. Having put his head on the block by sacking Harry and appointing him, it may take longer than it should. With confidence low, a tough trip to Italy on Thursday and an in form West Ham, I can only see one result. And before everyone jumps on my back about getting to know his players, injuries etc a good manager should be able to overcome that.
jonathan01
Frank - i think Clattenberg is only 4th official.
Love totty
Love Totty, correct. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9698483/Mark-Clattenburg-returns-for-Premier-League-game-between-Tottenham-Hotspur-and-West-Ham-United.html
In-spurs-ational
Our problems are all down to having a CM that has gone from one of the top 3 in the league particularly in ball retention to one that is now little more than workmanlike. Demsey & Sig just havnt shown the technical ability to play as a 10, Sandro has plenty of graft but we just havent had that player to knit things together. Theres a huge onus on Dembelle and he will likely be rushed back because he is so important. I hope AVB comes good but all my initial doubts & concerns are proving correct.Parker cant come back soon enough either becasue we need character.
gatch75
We should still have enough to beat West Ham tomorrow, even with our injury list. I do fear though that Levy will use any uncertainty over AVB as an excuse not to invest in January, aside from that, the £20 million rumoured to be available is not enough to get the players needed to put us back where we were last season.
As for tomorrows game, I think West Ham are perfectly set up to get behind our high line with their long ball tactics. Hopefully AVB has a plan to counter this, Lloris is far better coming off his line to deal with this approach, so if Friedel starts I will begin to worry whether AVB is ever going to make it at the Lane. This is also a game for Gallas to miss as every other central defender we have is better in the air and we're going to have to deal with a lot of high balls to Carroll. Every man and his dog know how Alardice will set up, so there will be no excuses if we fail to beat them tomorrow. Man for man we're better, although it's open to debate whether we're better as a team, this one is all down to AVBs ability as a manager. Get it right and it should be a comfortable victory by two clear goals, get it wrong and....... Doesn't bare thinking about really does it? COYS
thfc1882whl
theres only 1 Sebba Bassong, 1 Seba BAAAAASSSOOOOONNNGG !!
Viyyash-Ramosh
Lloris looks awesome at coming and collecting the ball or clearing it out of harms way but he's going to get involved in a howler or two if he keeps running out of his area like that!
edmontonspurs
If AVB drops Lloris after His performance against Lazio then the man has not got a clue about football.
01tottenham
I see this as a must win game, and anything less than 3 points is unthinkable. We need to start winning games, and fast. So far this season we only have 7 wins from 19 games - that's a 37% win record. And other than the fantastic result at Old Trafford, our wins have come against Maribor, Southampton, Villa, Carlisle, QPR & Reading - all either poor or struggling teams. Tomorrow needs to be the start of the turn around, or come the end of the year we could be comfortable in mid-table mediocrity.
Spursteve
yeah we should still have enough to beat the Spammers?...you'd think that wouldnt yer? trouble is, we should have had enough to beat Norwich and WBA and Wigan..you tell me what has WBA got in its side that is better than Spurs? We have 17 points they have how many? they are 3rd? and we are?........phuck the injuries! every one has injuries......were shiiite...when it comes to the last quarter of a game we cant close a game out.....its down to whose pulling the strings at the end of the day...who is building the confidence in the side..who is giving us that killer instinct.....AVB man up mate ........get the steel back in the side...drop the clip chart..forget formations...get inside the soul of the players and stoke the fire ..the ambition....and yes.....the hatred.....get in their heads and stoke them up.....there is no passion there is not enough committment from all of them ....we are leaderless.....AVB for phuck sake get in the faces of the players and get them on message ......!
OyVeh Maria
freedom!!!!!!!!!!!! had enough of her majestys brekkies!!!and uck that lines man!!!!!!!!!!COYS
krafty007
ha ha
krafty007
LLoris Walker Dawson Caulker Vertonghen Sandro Dembele Huddlestone Lennon Bale Defoe 4 - 3 - 3
POP
100% right OyVeh Maria. Unfortunately AVB is lost without his notepad and suicidle defensive high line. That's all he knows. AVB out. Chris Hughton in
jonathan01
oyVeh, we have lost to Wigan and Norwich at home with a more settled team without this season's injuries and Modric. So not quite as unthinkable as you suggest. And I nearly forgot, your mate was in charge. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Everyone has injuries, sure, but you have the likes of Adebayor, Dembele, Parker, Kaboul and Ekotto out, all pretty much first choice it might make it a little more difficult..
ItalianYiddo
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/180666.html?CMP=OTC-RSS - ItalianYiddo, this article should stop you having to talk total sense to those that don't "get it" without needing to be spoon-fed warm diarrhea by the press.
Crissybwoy
Thanks for that Crissy, good read and all valid points. Let's give the guy some decent players and some time to work with them and let's see.
ItalianYiddo
I'm hoping Dawson gets a run tomorrow, did well against Carroll last season, Lloris has got to start as has Dembele if fit. I'm just putting this out there but didn't Sigurdson play in a midfield three last year yet we play him behind the striker where he's facing the other way all the time when trying to receive the ball rather than facing play and passing and moving forward. I'm not saying AVB is wrong because he says he's trying to change us slowly as a team but I'd like to see a 4-3-3 of Lloris, walker, Dawson, Caulker, Vertonghen, Dembele, Sandro, Sigurdson , Bale, Lennon, Defoe.
Jantheman
Jan like the look of your selection, especially two tall strong CB's to deal with the expected long ball! Has to be said crucial 3 points up for grabs especially with Arse and Everton both drawing today (as they are the main rivals for 4th), perfect opportunity to catch up. Hope Dembs is back to full fitness and the boys who played on Thursday have recovered fully enough.
El Jefe
Agree with above post, that if Hugo doesn't start I'll be second guessing avb from now on. Our bench fills me with less confidence, Dempsey & sig out of form, so why not put in our young academy players who Are in form. We need every rough diamond we can at this stage. 3-1 spurs
van der haart lane
I think a win is necessary otherwise we will be under pressure and confidence will not get any better. With Ade out and then off in January we are going to be light up top and unfortunately I can see Dempsey playing now which doesn't give me much confidence. So we need to get behind Defoe becuase we are going to need him to score.
thfan
My Line-up (4-3-3): Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sigurdsson, Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Defoe, Bale. Think AVB will start Gallas, Huddlestone and Dempsey instead of Dawson, Sigurdsson and Dembele, which will be sad to see ;( poor selections have cost us this season, like the games against norwich and wba and the first half vs qpr. Still behind him though, COYS!
COYS_TSB
As long as Dempsey and Sigurdsson dont start i will be happy i dont have to watch them two,but looks like one of them will have to,so it could be another dreadful 90 mins at the lane this season
gsmith84
Chrissybwoy, great article. What a great signing Vertongen was, he really deserves to wear the armband, what a great attitude. This is the kind of leader we need right now at Spurs to get us over this hump
tengboon
Has to be 4-3-3, Bale-Defoe-Lennon. Sandro-Carroll-Siggurdson, maybe Dembele for Carroll later or to start if fit. And thfc1882whl got it spot on with the air game, Dawson has to play as does Lloris and if we get another Gallas-Friedel for this, questions will be raised big time.
tengboon
Hugo Lloris has to start and should continue as our number one, walker, gallas most likely returning, like it or not his the captain, alongside caulker, vertonghen at lb. lennon, sandro, bale, we don't have anyone else who can do these jobs, if dembele is ok after the other night, then he has to start, our only outlet to controlling the midfield for us, dempsey? it's a hard call on him but you don't score the number of goals in the prem he has by being a bad player, maybe it's the slow build, the system, but he is a sound player, we have just not really got the best out of him yet, but with dembele back, he might start to click into place, defoe up top, if we could get back to moving the ball around quicker and attacking with purpose, we can win this game, we have to win it. Mike Bassett will look to lump it up to carroll and feed of second balls, mainly nolan gets on these. we need our 12th man tomorrow the home fans will be up for this one. COYS
spu 4 life
Yep, West Ham is probably the 2nd most hated team next to the Arse, the Lane better be rocking for a change, especially after Big Sam claiming we struggle because no "Arry. And the silly spy suit. This is a grudge match that we must win.
tengboon
We have been unlucky with the injuries. We could have been top 4 now if it wasn't for all the players missing. From the top 14 teams, only us and Fulham have lost 5 games so far, and from top 12 teams, we have the worst goal difference. Top 4 would be a miracle with all the competition there and Europa League will complicate things for us but I hope we can play some good football to enjoy and maybe try harder for a trophy this season.
logos8
The atmosphere at The Lane reflects recent results and performances.
MrSpurs
Performances and therefore results are significantly influenced by the atmosphere at The Lane.

COME ON YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN
Madaboutspurs
Crissybwoy great link and I must say I fully agree with Verts. As far as I can see our squad doesn't look dispirited or down to me. They look full of fight, the only problem is scoring. Once that comes then we are in business. Don't care who it comes from but it will soon.
chrishove123
jonathan01, what would your view on AVB be if we beat West Ham.
In-spurs-ational
I know the following isn't Spurs related, but I'm sure there will be a number of fans that would find this interesting. In short, Pep wants to manage...... Brazil http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/pep-guardiola-says-he-would-manage-1454281
In-spurs-ational
We need to play Dembele, Carroll & Sandro. 4-4-1-1. With Sandro & Carroll in CM with Lennon & Bale on wins and Dembele behind Defoe. Our goal difference is negative, which truly reflects how we have been playing thisseason. Its been a start stop season. Every time we come back, there is something waiting around the corner with injuries or suspension. We were looking good after Villa win bu only stuck by blow of loosing Bale & Dembele. Now its Adebayor suspension. I am happy Caulker & Demeble are back, which means we have good solidity in he team. Caulker is by far the bet CB in the air (after Kaboul), so its important to get him back against Caroll. My team : Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Dawson, Vertonghen, Sandro, Caroll, Bale, Lennon, Dembele, Defoe.
sydqcb5
I saw the Asenal game yesterday, got to say they were utterly poor. I cant believe they won 5-2 against us - Adebayor FFS, why did you do it ?
sydqcb5
Its not about how pretty the football is, its about how effective the football is. Allardyce understands that, I'm not sure AVB or our supporters do.
jod
Its going to be a very tough game today, Big Sam will press the backline trying to force the long ball and with Defoe up top I cant see us dominating possession, we will have to draw them in leaving space for Bale, Defoe, Lennon to attack. West Ham are going to come to us thinking they can take something from this game we will need everyone on top form.
coys1717
For me, this high line we play just doesn't suit us. It compresses the play further up the pitch, therefore reducing the effectiveness of our fast counter attacks as there is less space for the likes of Bale and Lennon to take advantage of. It also offers the opposition plenty of room in behind us for a well placed long ball and watching West Ham last week, they looked comfortable playing that way (there's a surprise eh!).
-------------Lloris-------------
Walker---Caulker---Vertonghen---Naughton
-------------Sandro----Carroll-------------
--Bale-----------------------Lennon--
------------------Dembele-----------------
---------------------Defoe----------------------
I would like to see this as our starting XI today, going to be a tough match, one which will go a long way to showing just how astute AVB really is. We all know how Alardice likes to play, so there will be no big surprises to contend with and man for man I believe we're stronger, it's just down to the manager to get the tactics right. Come on AVB, prove the doubters wrong and Levy may just have to support you, finally, come the January 31st transfer half hour. COYS
thfc1882whl
Bale and Lennon the wrong way round above, Doh!
thfc1882whl
I like your line up thfc, Carroll will improve with games, I'v given up on Hudd, too slow. I am pretty sure Dempsey will be in as he adds a bit more phisicality (little else). I think AVB's hands are tied, specially up front. Levy shortchanged him in the summer, I hope he is working to rectify it in January but not holding my breath! COYS
ItalianYiddo
actually think this will turn up to be 1 of the easy wins we seldom get.... Wet Spam will be reliant on longballs to Carroll and if we use Caulkler to mark him that sould give us plenty of possession.... easy 2 goal margin win today, 3 goal if we go for it more.
Viyyash-Ramosh
redknapp already not ruling out a move for beckham... classic 'arry.
rahn DMC
rahn DMC, that's why I think that Harry is a perfect fit for QPR. He likes buying "experienced" players, and the owners like buying them
In-spurs-ational
In-spurs-ational - Yeah, their owners have to be careful though otherwise they will really stockpile up on average over the hill players. but I'm not worrying about that, all i'm worrying about is three points today :/
rahn DMC
Harry set to bankrupt QPR ?
big cockeral
Agreed. Three points is what we should be worried about. Love him or hate him, Harry is now in our past. What he could / would / should have done with our squad this season is irrelevant. Maybe he would have done better, maybe he would have done worse. It doesn't matter because you can't change the past. Look to the future starting with a much needed three points, a few goals and a clean sheet!
In-spurs-ational
the worry for me is harry is gonna raid defoe and dawson,these guys would rather play for harry than avb any day of the week-why dawson is being overlooked for gallas is beyond me
ghulamville
with you on the formation for today.. obviously if Dembele is fit...

.........................DEFOE.........................
...........................................................
...BALE..............DEMBELE............LENNON.
...........................................................
...........CARROLL.............SANDRO..........
...........................................................
..NAUTS.....VERTS......CAULKS....WALKER..
..........................................................
.......................LLORIS.........................

if Dembele is not match fit.. id stick DAWSON into Verts position and play VERTS in the CARROLL/DEMBELE position...
Yidmarks
In-Spurs-Ational - Couldn't of put it better myself, hopefully all the fans at the Lane get behind the team 100% right from the off. And as you said; a couple of goals, a clean sheet and a good performance from everyone involved is what we need. COYS!
rahn DMC
.................................Lloris ..............................................
....Dawson... .........Caulker.......Vertonghen.........
Walker.................... Huddlestone.................Sandro.................Bale
.................................... Siggy.............................Dempsey
..............................Defoe.....................
big cockeral
I think we'll go for the team similar to the Utd game.... if, as expected now after the midweek heroics, Lloris has to play then AVB will plump for Gallas experience just ahead alongside the Carroll-destroyer Caulker, so Verts can play that swashbuckling inside-left channel attacking LB again.... I dont often say this about any teambut this is gonna be a cakewalk, as Spam will just pump highballs to Carroll (who will lose it) and give Spurs alot of possession
Viyyash-Ramosh
not looking forward to this game,one big bruising ugly game on the cards,any win will do
ghulamville
i would actually go for friedel over lloris,because of his physical nature
ghulamville
Viyyash-Ramosh, I hope you're right, but I've been supporting Spurs for over 30 years and I can't remember too many easy wins. We just don't do easy easily!
In-spurs-ational
ghulamville, I'd go the other way. Carroll (of west ham) is big but not very quick. If they try to put balls over the top for him, Lloris would be perfect for coming out of his area and sweeping up. Also on things like corners and free kicks, it will probably get congested in the box, you want a keeper that has a good punch. However whichever keeper gets the nod, I hope the only things they'll need for the game is a cigar and a deck chair
In-spurs-ational
I can't understand the fear for this currently over-achieving West Ham team... we are at home, we have better higher quality players that can move the ball around easier and thus dominate possession... when tWHU do get it they will give it straight back with a highball meant for Carroll.... lighten up and have some belief
Viyyash-Ramosh
Breaking news !!!

Charges against the men accused of attempted murder against Spurs fans in Lazio have been dropped .
big cockeral
Okay Viyyash-Ramosh, I truly believe it will not be an easy game :)
In-spurs-ational
big cockeral, why am I not surprised
In-spurs-ational
big cockeral, I'm sure if the incident had occurred in London with Spurs fans attacking the away fans, the same media coverage and the same dropped charges would have occurred. After all, anything else would be double standards.
In-spurs-ational
I cannot believe we have an article called 'Harry's back'. This is a Spurs web forum and he's the manager of QPR. How sad some of us are, this guy won F*** all and is treated like some sort of god. As the years pass by NOBODY will remember what HR did at Spurs, because he didn't achieve anything, at least Ramos had a league cup. The sooner the HR lovers get over their heartbreak and start backing the team you really love, the better. HR played pretty football with nothing to show for it, would you date a pretty girl if she was riddled with HIV?
yiddyboy
hr is talking about tˍe possibility of getting Beckham again.
chrishove123
For once I thought this is Vital Harry and not Vital Spurs lol
what_sux
OH Harry ,Harry ,he went to Tottenham Hotspurs & he won phuck all
big cockeral
BC - Siggy and Demps are you sure???!!! It'd be like playing with 9 men based on their performances this season. Bad enough if we have to start with one of them atm tbh.
El Jefe
Somebody asks "what has this WBA team got to be above Spurs, answer of course is Steve Clarke, a proper coach as he proved at Chelsea, whilst a certain party was poncing about with his lap top, and clip board, "gathering data". One is a proper coach, has been there, done it, and got his knees muddy, the other is a geek.
Frank
Big C, he didn't have a 37% win percentage either, like the "tactical genious".
Frank
El Jefe Yeah i know ,desperate .I actually think AVB is doing alright with what he has .Siggy & Dempsey are terrible buys but until January comes ,they have to be picked .Lennon is just as bad imo
big cockeral
Frank ,surely even you can see AVB has been dropped in it by the 2 clowns Harry & Levy leaving the squad in a mess . Defoe the only striker ? how was that even possible ? Friedel & gallas a year older & it shows ? VDV had to go due to his wife so nothing we could do there .
big cockeral
The current WBA team cost £10M and with the possible exception of Shane Long, and possily Odemwingie and Lukaku (who doesn't start) none would get in our first team, so it's no all about players, there must be something else, I wonder what it is.
Frank
Frank It`s called ,,where everybody finishes come end of season .
big cockeral
Dunno how true this is but if it goes our way it would be absolutely brilliant. http://www.sport360.com/article/willian-determined-earn-move-chelsea-or-spurs?
chrishove123
Just taken from a Spurs site. Tottenham Hotspur ‏@SpursOfficial Our starting team today is: Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Dawson, Vertonghen, Sandro, Huddlestone, Lennon, Dempsey, Bale & Defoe
chrishove123
Tottenham Hotspur: Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Huddlestone, Lennon, Dempsey, Bale, Defoe.

Subs: Friedel, Gallas, Naughton, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Livermore, Carroll.
big cockeral
Good article Crissyboy - I think when we get our injured players fit, back from suspension etc, things will gel and we will go on a good run - I don't know if that's gonna start today, or this side of Christmas, but if we hold our nerve it'll come. 2-1 Spurs today! COYBS!
DocHotspurs
Our starting team today is: Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Dawson, Vertonghen, Sandro, Huddlestone, Lennon, Dempsey, Bale & Defoe
what_sux
And our subs today: Friedel, Gallas, Naughton, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Livermore, & Carroll
what_sux
So to sum up the posts: we re unlucky with injuries, we are unlucky with referees, we are unlucky with players leaving because we are going nowhere, we are unlucky because the management sold good players we should have kept. But our luck will change and we will come charging up the league but if we don't it's just down to bad luck any any supporter suggesting other reasons for it is not a real supporter. mmmm...me thinks there are a lot of deluded people around
Forever Spurs
any links?
Slurms McKenzie
No Gallas ?
No Friedel ?
man i feel better
big cockeral
what_sux
Surprised no Falque as sub today.
chrishove123
What_sux you should change your name to Royal Mail - 'cause you always deliver!
Slurms McKenzie
@Forever Spurs - That sounds like 90% of the peps on here hahaha! Poor oul AVB and his lack of luck!
IrishYid90
Hoping to see something more impressiv from Dempsey today or else a good sixty minutes from Dembele!
Slurms McKenzie
big cockeral, exactly what I was feeling
In-spurs-ational
OR you may feel unlucky that you have just been reading Forever Spurs post OR not!!
spu 4 life
I bet Dawson can lump it further up the white hart lane pitch then any of the wet spam lot. my spread bet- within his first 3 touches, he hits it long, any odds?
spu 4 life
IrishYid90, a mate of mine always says "if it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all"
In-spurs-ational
spu 4 life, to be fair, the last game I saw Dawson play, his long hits found spurs players
In-spurs-ational
And the West Ham subs today: Spiegel, Demel, Collins, Moncur, Taylor, Jarvis & Cole
what_sux
And the West Ham team: Jaaskelainen, O'Brien, Reid, Tomkins, McCartney, Noble, Nolan, Diame, O'Neil, Maiga & Carrol
what_sux
how can people expect good results without bae, kaboul, parker, dembele, adebayor is beyond me... I don't like AVB but I'll give him a chance but I can't expect much with so many injuries. Half of our best starting 11 have been missing most of this season. As soon as everyone is back and we keep playing like fec@l matter then we'll have the right to put the blame on someone. The amount of constant negativity from some supporters is unbelievable.
logos8
Slurms McKenzie - Always pleased to serve for the rest of community ;-)
what_sux
BAD LUCK - Never had any bad luck, only times when things don't go right.
spu 4 life
In-spurs-ational --i know, i was joking. though some in the past have found the crowd. goals today from Huddlestone, Vertonghen, Defoe, Bale, Lennon, Dempsey. Is that 6, ok that will do.
spu 4 life
Well at least AVB listened to you guys for the most part...He has no Ade so he went with Dempsey. Also, Falque is still injured.
dcruzer
Dembele on the bench and Dempsey on the pitch is a huge leveller and a problem for us sadly. If Dembele was any greater that - (minus) 30% fit he is of more use than Dempsey. Come on Dempsey prove me wrong you cart horse. PS before the kick off check which way we are kicking Mr Dempsey and try to move in that direction.
tophobunty
AVB seems to be learning form earlier mistakes .And for aslong as there is a feeling of going in the right direction under AVB he should get our backing .Dropping Gallas & friedel is a bold move ,but the correct one .
We haven`t lost a European game under him yet & only one home one to go ,compare that to last season Europa joke ,that`s much better .As a club even though the competition is not the best ,still one you need to be involved in & take seriously .Beat or draw against the Greeks & we progress .
AVB will get himself many friends with a good performance & victory today .Spurs V West Ham is a massive game & bragging rights to the victors .COYS
big cockeral
Avb is in LOVE with Dempsey! I've had enough of this man, Levy just get rid! Huddlestone is not good enough for Spurs. Why he starts ahead of dembele only he knows. Bye bye AVB
01tottenham
01tottenham Dembele isn`t fit ,,,"hello Mcfly "
big cockeral
@logos8 Yep. The negativity is crippling for those who just read the posts who are fans. I think reality is good for us when things don't go well with our team, but bashing negativity on top just makes us all unnecessarily depressed. AVB is not at fault so far, our lack of luck with injuries and lack of quality forwards is to blame/Levy not shelling out the money.
dcruzer
01tottenham, the fact that huddlestone starts, a player AVB has told could leave as he doesn't rate him good enough, is testament to our injury problems right now. dembele is not ready, otherwise he would obviously be playing
Guernman
Btw, I believe as a manager/coach there are other parameters/factors to consider when choosing a starting XI. Many of us would be sacked much faster if we were in AVB's shoes. It's all so easy to point, blame, and throw a stone. So let us all not be to hasty in bashing AVB in such a short time. Perhaps we can bash Dawson, Defoe, Lennon, and Huddlestone among others as they have been with us for a longer time and have had their time to show what they can offer our team long term to improve it.
dcruzer
nice to see defoe looking for dempseys runs,
Guernman
Is there any point to Aarron Lennon being on the pitch ?
big cockeral
we will need to score this half because we are dominating them. walker is having a good game so far. vertonghen needs a rest though. shame it looks like neither striker intends to pass to the other though
Guernman
two of their players on yellows, lets be running at them bale and lennon.
Guernman
Gary Player used to say "people say I'm lucky" and "do you know. the more I practice the luckier I get". To blame luck, whether good or bad, is a cop out, and prevents addressing the real issues.
Frank
stupid offside followed by stupid yellow from defoe
Guernman
Now 9th after Swansea v Liverpool (pretty dull 0-0 affair, but a point a piece), so we are now just in the top half. Today is just simply a must win, we have already dropped too many points at home, we just have to impove, and start keeping clean sheets.
Frank
Guernman - If Defoe timed that run like an experienced poacher, that's a clear 1-1 chance tbh
what_sux
THAT`S A PHUCKING BRILLIANT GOAL
GET IN THERE SON
big cockeral
this has 0-0 written all over it
logos8
1-0 sorry
logos8
Wonder goal, just fifteen more of them this season and I'd happily keep Defoe!
Slurms McKenzie
great goal defoe
Guernman
Now that was superb Well done Jermaine :)
philbill
Top top goal from Defoe
what_sux
two wonder strikes in the first half, from bale and defoe, deflect from th fact that we have a real problem here. its not AVBs fault, but we have absolutely no creativity having sold VDV and modric.
Guernman
YESKATHATSOVERTHELINEA...Pure class from defoe, but we still need some quicker passing and others to stand up and be counted.
spu 4 life
Great goal from the best natural finisher at the club, who is now a yellow card away from seeing us go into our next game without a recognised striker. Cheers Levy you muppett.
thfc1882whl
Quality goal from Defoe, enough said. Good to see Walker having a good game so far and Demps getting involved regularly aswell. Lennon poor 1st half culminating in that shot completely wide. Would still keep him on but needs to get more involved especially with two of their players on yellows. Would be good to see Dembele get some minutes in this game aswell and increase his match fitness, we are going to need him against Liverpool for sure!
El Jefe
AVB the jury is still out .Win this game & you`ll be a hero
Nice one Defoe ,be as greedy as you want if you keep delivering that ,consistency is the key .

Huddlefro ,Lennon & Dempsey having a nightmare .
Vertonghen ,Bale ,Sandro & Lloris sheer class ,different gravy .
big cockeral
Big C, has Lennon been shagging your wife or something, why not just send him an Xmas card and make up.
Frank
We need better cover at left back as a priority, Bale just doesn't offer enough help to get away with stand in LB lke Naughton or Verts. Just my opinion. Thats the number one transfer target for me this window. Followed by Belhanda (you can't go wrong with a Moroccan at Spurs!) and then a striker who is a mix of defoe and Ade (does Leandro fit this bill?) I'm lookin gto Townsend and Falque to offer competition on the wings would like to see more of our Spanish wizard I think he's ready!
Slurms McKenzie
Hudd is either here nor there tbh. Thats our problem, link between Midfield and attack is non existant, if i wingers get marked out the game we struggle to create anything.
spurfect one
Frank ---What does Lennon do exactly ? (on the pitch )
big cockeral
Good performances so far from Daws, Thudd, Verts and Defoe. Dempsey will be off by the hour mark as he offers nothing of any use to the team, Dembele to come on for another 30 minutes as part of his recovery.
thfc1882whl
Lennon should be hugging the touchline and taking on that muppet every time he gets the ball, not even thinking of passing it back, just go at him, that's your strength, get passed him and ping it across the 6yd box
spu 4 life
Would playering Lennon as the support player to Ade work? and then allow Falque out on the wing? I know Ade is suspended I'm just spit balling here!
Slurms McKenzie
*Playering*?
Slurms McKenzie
Spurs v West Ham could be won in the Lennon v McCartney battle. John was always the coolest one. Superb solo goal from Jermain. He loves scoring against his ex teams so can we have at least another 1 plz Defoe!
bowerman
Dembele can be the link between midfield and attack for now, then we will see what happens in Jan, we blatantly need a playmaker. Lennon needs to learn a trick or two from Bale, see how he finds space, gets the ball and does something with it - thats the type of flying winger/attacker we need.
El Jefe
IMO too much is getting left to Bale & lennon really needs to start putting some performances in .At the moment Lennon is doing nothing & if we`re not careful Bale will be off .The difference between bale & Vertonghen on the left ,& Walker & lennon on the right is unbelievable .Complete unbalance ,can`t leave all the attacking to one side ,it`s starting to show big time
big cockeral
Off to watch 2nd half, will be back later hopefully to celebrate points!
El Jefe
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El Jefe
Where will Parker play when (if) he returns from injury? Adhow will Sandro and Parker be any different from Sandro and Livermore from earlier in the season. Two covering midielders will stiffle our creativity. I see Parker as cover for Sandro so expect to see Parker in Blue stripes come the end of January.
Slurms McKenzie
Hello vital mates. Long time I've been away. Was zapped badly in the great New York storm and am just now getting life back. My laptop was knocked out with power surge as power came back (one of several times it seemed to start working again, but false start), so I bought an iPad for now and re-registered here. I'll write some more later, but it's nice to be back from the nightmare storm. Yours, Total Knobhead using another name for a bit.
Big Droopsie Knob
TK aka BDK great to see you're still kickin', Some entity up there really doesn't want you down here, first the "bonic-man" like rebuild of the the old pumpworks followed rapidily by the mother of all storms - who or what have you pi$$ed off old chum?
Slurms McKenzie
I think by the displays of Lloris he has won the Goalkeeping war
spurfect one
A song for Hugo lloris is on the horizon .That was mustard ,
big cockeral
Another great goal!
Durbanspur
Well done Bale but big shout out to the brilliance by Dempsey .
Has Dempsey kicked off his Spurs career ? that was quality
big cockeral
Amazing finsih from bale
what_sux
fantastic, finally dempsey enters the building. again lloris shows why he is the better option and dempsey provides a moment of fabulous creativity
Guernman
be careful defoe
Guernman
Unselfish play by Lennon
what_sux
again dempsey makes it!! fantastic
Guernman
Dempsey's having his best game in a 'Spurs shirt!
Durbanspur
Lennon why can`t you do that more ? well done in playing your part in a fine team goal .
Dempsey too ,push on lads
big cockeral
Quality from lennon and sandro
spurfect one
Seems I missed some miserable performances while living in a cave (no heat, no electricity, no water for much of the time since the storm), but I've lucked into a good match for Spurs to come back. COYS.
Big Droopsie Knob
Time for the subs
muttley
This game's massive boost! :)
SilwalYid
lucky lloris gets the easy games villa and now nothin to do today
123spurs
123spurs - Yeah because Lazio and Arsenal (to an extent) were walks in the park? And anyway, isn't that a good thing, shows we are playing well, much rather have their keeper all the work to do rather than ours.
rahn DMC
123spurs- How many easy games Friedel manage to concede? Friedel games all hard games Lloris easy games? Take off your blinkered specs pls ty
what_sux
123spurs Guess You forgot the Arsenal hammering!
SilwalYid
lloris has been absolutely great today, the fact that he is quick off his line, comes out for crosses and does not turn the ball over every time he kicks it up field is why he has cut out the danger before it becomes great. friedel would not have done this and we would have faced more pressure if he had played
Guernman
NNOOOO Sandro dont be injured :((
what_sux
Its only a hammering when its 11v11 and they were still looking nervous
philbill
what_sux -- Can`t believe you rised to that tw*t ,c`mon you`re better than that
big cockeral
123 Spurs, are you really an idiot or do you just do an excellent impersonation?
Cape Town Spurs
when is parker back :(
Guernman
& far more importantly, Sandro injured
Cape Town Spurs
big cockeral - my bad lol
what_sux
what_sux -- I don`t want to see that happen again .:)
big cockeral
big ur da tw*t. lloris fan boys are out in force again lol cant handle a bit of banter or a different opinion.
123spurs
Solid win, Could have come at a cost though with the Sandro injury but lets wait and see.
TopSpur13
Much better as a team and as individuals. Just happy we got the win but frustrated in the end with conceding and how we dropped off, wish we would go for more attack and goals when we are in the lead like Arsenal score five, we are no good holding on and defending. Overall happier.
thfan
a decent win. should do good for confidence (& AVB's job!)... immature defending from Caulker cost us the clean sheet and hopefully nothing too serious with Sandro. Let's carry the momentum forwards and give Friedel the easy game against Panathiakos whihc should make 123 Spurs a happy lad.
Cape Town Spurs
Do those drinking bottles have sleeping pills in them, never should have let them score. well i have to say DAWSON was bloody excellent and made WALKER have one of his best games in a long time, so the fact that when gallas is next to him proves a point, out with the old and in with the new. Good result, hate spammers.
spu 4 life
big cockeral - here comes my apologisation gift :)

what_sux
Much better performance but not happy with Caulker and Dawson. To be top centre halves you have to concentrate for 90 mins. First of all Caulker ignores a perfectly good shout from his keeper. Then Dawson is caught ball watching and switching off leaving Walker with 3 men around him. At Dawson's age he should know better than to leave his full-back exposed and be caught in no mans land.
muttley
123spurs - nothing wrong with your banter/opinion, just giving our OPINION... you're the one complaining :P
rahn DMC
123spurs Lloris did plenty of work today. It wasn't as easy as you try and make out. some people are never fu(king happy are they. Man just STFU. WE WON. You are such a jerk aren't you. I really don't like to come on here and put anyone down, but in your case I'll make an exception. All you do is come on here and whine on about nonsensical $hit. Grow up or fu(k off.
chrishove123
Massive respect to Gallas in his first year ,brilliant
Massive respect to Friedel in his first year ,nothing special but steady .

But time goes on ,& these guys are not the same players .
man of the match (imo) Gareth bale ,sheer class

But out with Gallas & friedel & in with the far superior Lloris & caulker ,both brilliant today
big cockeral
Harry if you want a centre half and goalkeeper, gallas and friedel meet your age requirements. His after Crouch and Beckham, maybe Brooking in midfield.
spu 4 life
Does that mean Livermore and Hudd against Liverpool?That is one heck of a self destruct recipe!
SilwalYid
We need Sandro and Dembele :(
what_sux
Why are the LLORIS fans out in force, BECAUSE HE WAS OUTSTANDING. not routed to his line, like grandad friedel
spu 4 life
Quality performance, great result against a team that was doing well so far! Lloris quality again, so was Bale (what a finish), Sandro and Verts as always. Dawson good solid game, perhaps we need to hold onto him come Jan! Caulker also done well but silly mix up between him and Lloris led to a goal that need not have been conceeded. Walker had a good game, much more attacking from him when Lennon went off, looked like the Walker of last season bombing forwards but by then I accept game had lost some structure. Demps had his best game in a Spurs shirt, already said at half time that he was getting involved more and great 2nd half. Defoe quality and has to get MOM. 1st 2 goal's are goal of the month contenders if not more! Finally will give lil Lennon a mention, great run for that 3rd goal and we need more of that, much more especially if he wants to stay a 1st team regular. He needs to look at Bale's contribution and see what a top quality winger can do and does and then up his game!
El Jefe
Thoroughly enjoyed that - took us a while to settle down again after a promising start. I think the players get frustrated with being locked down at home, and we haven't got anyone to solve it with a killer pass. I agree with - Dempsey's best game for us so far - linking up play well, at the end. If the 'woody's' had gone in it would have been 5-1. Shame we let one in, but a good days work - good home support, too. Welcome back TK.
DocHotspurs
The one thing about playing West ham ...It`s personal

AVB i love ya ,Karen brady can go slide down a bar stall ,
SPURS 3 ,, WEST HAM 1 ...Bitch
big cockeral
I have no hate for Friedel, but the last couple of games have shown that Lloris's Mobility off of his line has eased a lot of pressure for our defence, especially since we play a high line. I would like us to get rid of Brad, Gomez and Cudicini and bring a young and promising goalkeeper to understudy for Lloris.
spurfect one
Spu 4 life... he can't have Freund though as he's now in management! Sorry ' Arry. Do you think he can spell that?
Cape Town Spurs
got to be happy with that! Spam had Citeh on toast a couple of weeks ago and for a mistakenly dis-allowed goal would have won but we dominated them today from the off...I was happy with AVB's selections, the team were playing with tempo...I would have liked to see Defoe come off about 10mins earlier cause I didn't want him to get injued or another card...hope Sandro is OK....and we shouldn't sell Daws!!
shedboy2
Bye Friedel, You've served us well! He can have the Europa league.
SilwalYid
Hudd was better, too - pressing far more and didn't give it away. And yes - Lloris is class! Vert's looks a bit tired to me - great when he gets forward until he gives it away, then hasn't got the energy to leg it back quick enough. Dempsey set up lennon's assist, didn't he? Can't wait for Wednesday. COYS!
DocHotspurs
why cant i make commet abouta player , when others complain about brad even when he plays well they still comment saying he was still crap an get away with it an no1 has ago at them. as i make a commnet the so called popualur on here go crazy lol, coys
123spurs
reading thru this entire thread, its amazing to clearly see who the gutless give-up 'fans' are quivering before the game against the mighty West Ham, and those that recognised this to be a relatively easy game, if the coach and team could see how predictably Wet Spam play and keep their composure despite the fans waiting to erupt at the slightest mishap.... support ?
Viyyash-Ramosh
1-0 up the spammers break square across our box for an easy tap in BUT Lloris does not stay routed to his line like Brad but comes and cuts out the cross....could have been a different game!
shedboy2
spurfect one If we were to get in an understudy for lloris I'd suggest Butland. he's looked highly promising in the international games I've seen him play in.
chrishove123
Parker is now Sandro's understudy IMHO, but what an understudy to have! Start with the same team (except Dembs for Hudd) against Liverpool on Wed for me! But can easily see Gallas coming back in for Daws if not more changes eg Friedel for Lloris although would not agree with it.
El Jefe
i like dawson mentality, its a pity his ability not up there yet
what_sux
The most important signing we can make is Brad Friedel as GK coach. I know we all love Parks because of Anderlecht etc but let's be honest, the GK jersey has been a mess under him. Time to move on and take a chance on Brad showing these younger guys how to play at the very highest level.
muttley
still leting in goals late on in games is BIG concern for us at moment, BIG 3 points for us today. next 2 games are BIG to get us back in the top 4, COYMFS
123spurs
hey 123 dont compare to me BIG C casue he whines ore then me lol. bet he wont like that
123spurs
Cometh the match..cometh the men !!! well done ..Tottenham hotspurs....avb and co'.....plus the fans. repeat vs liverpool wednesday..please. "spiderllorisman" very entertaining....lol
82spursdebut
123spurs

When agreeing with yourself you forgot to change your username
big cockeral
I do not think anyone on here "hates" Friedel or even dislikes him. We all want what is best for our club and what is best for our club is to recognize who are our best team and as No 1 that is very clearly Lloris and not Brad. Brad is a safe, reliable shot stopper who is amazing for his age, but the train has reached the end of the line and it is time for the passengers to disembark. I agree with whoever said ship out Friedel, Gomes, Cuddiccini and get a young promising keeper in as understudy - or , if Brad wants to play one more season give it to him, but no PL games, just some cup outings.
Cape Town Spurs
ppl on here wanted top 4 instead of FA cup, thats exactle what harry got us.
123spurs
erm doppy it was for chris, but you couldnt grasp it why dont u take ur own advice dont reply to that 123 guy
123spurs
I think Walker deserves a mention. Massive improvement today.
TopSpur13
@123spurs. Why the f@ck would you introduce that statement now? You are just aching to start a feud in here...
dcruzer
Dempsey was fantastic today, hopefully this will be the start of a good run of form for him
Spurs999
It's because of the (rap you come out with such as Lloris had all the easy games and BF had all the hard games etc. If you wrote sense then no one would get on your case about it, but keep on writing rubbish like that mate and you will deservedly get a lot of stick.
chrishove123
Game was very similar to the Reading game, even goal scorers, scoreline and timing of some of the goals. Defoe was really impressive throughout, I especially liked the way he drifted wide at times rather than simply stay central against 2 CB's. Vintage performance, great goal as well, almost as good as the one against Arsenal way back where he collected the ball wide and drove at the defence. Dempsey was another positive as has been said, he had some great moments, hopefully this is a confidence builder for him and he can go on to be a consistent performer for us. Lloris didn't put a foot wrong and was very unfortunate to concede so late, with the Caulker error. Bale was also excellent, at times, he was the only 1 making an impact when those around him were struggling for a short spell in the 1st half, as you'd expect from our best player. Hopefully Sandro is ok, we desperately need him and Dembele fit, last thing we need is even more injuries..

On West Ham, don't know why they're as high up in the premiership as they are, just a poor mans Stoke and im sure (hoping) they'll struggle for points as the season goes on. Can't stand that club.
Guyver
We beat West Ham ,milk it people milk it .Save the negative for another day , it will come ,but not today ,not today .

Just picture Karen brady sliding down that bar stool as the 3rd went in
Lovely Jubbly
big cockeral
Big game now midweek against Liverpool and next Saturday against Fulham. COYS! Get back up this table.
TopSpur13
From the telegraph, ............... After a month of frustration, humiliation, anxiety and controversy, of being thrashed by rivals, beaten in a Rome bar and told what to sing in their own ground, here was a return to more elemental pleasures. Three super goals, some sporadically delightful football, and a win over their London neighbours. Sunday afternoons don’t get much better than that. ............Defoe’s slice of genius, a minute from half-time, lit up a dour first period like a diamond in a peat bog. As he gathered Kyle Walker’s pass on the right wing, he was closer to the corporate hospitality boxes than he was to goal. But after a quick spin that wheeled him away from George McCartney and Winston Reid and towards goal, West Ham were too slow to close him down. Defoe slipped the ball onto his right foot, evading Mark Noble’s airy challenge, and fired a superb finish past Jussi Jaaskelainen from 20 yards.-
chrishove123
123spurs having a schizo moment. Ultimate trolling fail.
Tottenham Hotcore
For Andre Villas-Boas, it was the perfect riposte to his irrepressible circle of critics. For Tottenham’s fans, the perfect riposte to their West Ham counterparts, who responded to their team’s toothless display on the field with a tasteless display in the stands. Chants of “Lazio” and “Can we stab you every week?” were among the more innocuous efforts. Towards the end of the game came the Adolf Hitler chants. Doubtless more will be heard about those in the coming days. But it was Tottenham’s sparkling second-half display that deserved to seize the headlines.
chrishove123
West ham have a reality check over next 6 games.
Tottenham Hotcore
It does amaze me how fans have got around the racist chanting by being completely evil in other ways .You can`t say racist chanting is worse than singing about someones tragedy ,or even attempted murder by Lazio fans on Spurs fans will not reach front page news .
Do insults & peoples feelings get graded & have some sort of point system ?
big cockeral
Spurs999... Can't agree that Dempsey was 'fantastic today, yes a nice assist for Bale and a few neat touches. Apart from that it was the usual ineffective guy we've seen all season, that said, it was his best game so far. Let's not get carried away and label it 'fantastic' though mate, otherwise when he does have a fantastic game for us (yeah right!) you'll be handing him Messi's crown as the worlds greatest ever player.
thfc1882whl
Classless West Ham fans http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2238230/West-Ham-fans-mock-Spurs-supporters-stabbed-Italy-sing-Hitler.html
what_sux
Maybe if the fan was black the authorities would have done more
Sad but true
big cockeral
difficult to pick a spurs man of the match ...but if i was pressed...i'd say Gareth Bale.
82spursdebut
Dempsey played a big part in 2 goals, hardly ineffective. Was defoe ineffective for only scoring 2?
Tottenham Hotcore
For someone allegedly clueless AVB got all the decisions right today, how sad that all the supporters/tw*ts at the top of the thread will probably go missing for a few days, true fans that they are LMAO.
Crissybwoy
bale was unplayable at time today....
shedboy2
Wow how good are we! I can't see anyone beating us! Not even Barca! Absolutely magnificent stuff!!! AVB is a genius! All hail AVB!!!
Mix26
Crissybwoy- he got the team selection right...I wouldn't say the subs worked that well though but he looks as though he's learning so next time we're 3 up he may want to protect the only striker we have when he's already on a yellow....I'm nit-picking for sure but he's still a ways to go imo...
shedboy2
shedboy, agreed boss, but he's learning, as are we.
Crissybwoy
I was thinking the same....defoe should have been subbed. Fortunatley...defoe used his head when he gave away a possible bookable offence near the end.
82spursdebut
what was wrong with the subs? dembele is one of our best players and he needs to regain fitness, it was good that he got a run out, and who else should he have replaced? sandro was injured so livermore was the obvious replacement and siggy came on for a quick run out. where is the problem?
Guernman
siggy could have had a 15 min' run out..rather than 2 mins'.
82spursdebut
It would have been tough on defoe to sub him when he was on a hattrick though
Guernman
Not seen it yet untill "Match Choice" on Sky tonight, but it seems that at last we have managed an emphatic win, without giving anybody a nervous breakdown whilst hanging on by the skin of our teeth. Now for Christ's sake lets not waste today, as we did the OT win, let's kick on and beat Liverpool, then gve a good account of ourselves at Fulham and Everton, hopefully getting somethng from both. At least we are now back in 7th level on points with Arsenal, after kicking off in 9th. 2 more goals for the much maligned Jermaine Defoe. Having failed to sign a top stiker now for several windows, it's a bloody good job we have him, especially with Adebayor suspended, and then off to ACN.
Frank
Pardew's lot are struggling, especially with Tiote, Ba, and Cisse all going to ACN in January.
Frank
Good win. Good performance. Not gonna make everything great all of a sudden but its a start and gives AVB something to work on. Come On You Spurs!!!
MrSpurs
Frank fully agree on Defoe. Where would we be without him???
chrishove123
Frank fully agree on Defoe. Where would we be without him???
chrishove123
C'mon chaps, a great win today, but let's not turn on those who were less than pleased. After all, we are Tottenham, and we are NOT pragmatists. Those down the road are beginning to see that beautiful football does not mean winning trophies every few years. We are fickle because our ethos demands winning with style. Well done Villas Boas for playing Lloris, eventually. More of this stuff, and you'll win us over.
lordjohnny
Much better from Dempsey today...could have scored a cracker and lovely pass to Bale.Super first goal from Defoe. Lennon actually had shot at goal today..missed by a mile but we should be grateful.However,he made Defoe's second..unselfish or scared of missing??Thought Defoe was going to get a second yellow...phew! We need Sandro and Dembele for the Liverpool game.
wentworth
Sandro's injury looks nasty and can see him being out for a long time. He looked in agony and it is unlike him to stay down!!
woodyn17
Interview with JD. This is how down, depressed and dispirited the team are. HA HA HA. You AVB naysayers wish. http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/121125/jermain-defoe-tottenham-can-achieve-something-special-season-186142?
chrishove123
Just back from the game, good performance albeit against a pretty average Wet Spam.

Plusses: At last we have seen a useful Dempsey, hopefully his performance today will spur him on to greater things, Walker had his best game of the season, still room for improvement, Defoe still scoring, Bale still scares the ***** out of defenders, Verthongen immense, Dawson done enough, Lloris looks every bit the keeper we paid top dollar for, Gallas and Friedel on the bench, best crowd this season.

Minuses: Sandro's injury looks worrying, are we ever going to get our best 11 out? Couldn't manage a clean sheet against a side we dominated, shooting practice isn't working, change it, at 3-0 I would have liked to have rested Defoe and Bale.

Sum-up the plusses win, I am starting the new week a happy man. COYS
ItalianYiddo
Considering the players at AVB’s disposal, very pleased with the performance. I was a little concerned the longer it went on at 0-0. Nerves calmed after Defoe’s great strike and felt there was going to be only one outcome thereafter. A little frustrated by the charitable work by Caulker for their goal, especially when he was totally unchallenged with Hugo right behind him.....may be Caulker doesn’t understand French!!!. First half I was again wondering what Dempsey was doing on the pitch, but he shut me up with his contribution in the 2nd half. Really hope he kicks on from here.

Not entirely sure why Lennon was subbed. I accept that apart from his wonder assist after a great run, his contribution was average. Dawson had a good game too, many of his diagonal balls were well intended and a good percentage reached the target. I think AVB’s selection was spot on and with Daws/Caulk/Vert we handled their aerial threat quite well, I hasten to add that Lloris helped out just as much. Let’s hope the injured lads begin to return and we can kick on from here. Very important to show the same ethics + desire in the next two games imo. COYS!!
Critical_Spur
Never really understood why West Ham hate us so much?
MrSpurs
One other think I forgot to mention..Am gonna get really hi$$ed off when the media and Arry bandwagon gets in to full speed. Every Spurs player will be linked with QPR. I hope levy remembers why he got rid of Arry!!....and perhaps just let him have the older brigade to join Nelson at QPR.
Critical_Spur
ItalianYiddo --- Top Man ,,nice one
big cockeral
Lloris- case closed.
van der haart lane
We now have Liverpool (h) to finish November, then in December we have some interesting games, within which surely there are points to be gained. We have Fulham (a) and Everton (a), followed by Swansea (h) and Stoke City (h), then finally before the January window we have Villa and Sunderland both (a). This means that out of all these fixtures there is only Everton that are currently above us in the league. We must capitalise on these games better than we did our relatively cushy start to the season.
Frank
Cheers big c, first game of the season I'v really enjoyed. Llorris, Caulker, Verts, Dembele are looking Spurs type of players, once we get the other boys back we are going to be decent. Loved the spirit in the team today, hopefully we will keep it going against the scousers. Real shame about Sandro.
ItalianYiddo
Big Cockeral and Italian Yiddo are the same user lol
MrSpurs
Critical Spur, re Dawson "many of his diagonal balls were wel intented, and a good percentage reached the target". Surely irrespective of intent, every pass that doesn't reach the target is a poor pass, simple as that. You have inadvertently summed up Dawson as a footballer, full of passion, and good intent, seriously lacking in sucessful application.
Frank
Frank, The point I was trying to make was that those long balls were NOT hoofs!!!. In fact Dawson's long passing was better than Hudd's!!!. Whilst I agree Daws is NOT a great player, but I'd rather have him over Gallas!!....and he is the BEST that we have AVAILABLE. May be, just may be, we will see Daws develop differently under AVB. COYS!
Critical_Spur
MrSpurs - Dont think so, check the timing and style of writing
what_sux
I agree Critical, I was pleasently surprised with Daws today, and yes, good coaches develop players. We all thought Adams was a donkey when he came on the scene.
ItalianYiddo
What_sux - I was joking mate.
MrSpurs
I haven't been overly impressed by AVB so far but today was good and he deserves recognition for that. I hope that we can kick on from this as our rivals IMO all look shaky in their own ways we just need to make the most if it, finishing below 5th is unacceptable.
MrSpurs
dawson before gallas. lloris before friedel. huddlestone shave that afro already, unnecessary pressure on him to shoot.
dazzwater
BTW chaps, a side track here from me, any of you know how our U18 youngsters are doing in terms of development? Like McEvoy a.k.a. Bale's look-a-like, Luongo the mini beast, Caceido, or Towering Veljkovic...
dcruzer
3 points! Yay !!
Madaboutspurs
Apparently Sandro is OK, he was apparently badly winded, AB says e is alright for Wednesday.
Frank
Atmosphere much better today, apart from disgraceful spammers. Team started great and sandro was immense, bale a real threat and Dempsey creating chances and almost grabbing a couple of goals himself. Defoe fantastic finishing today. Sooo glad some on here are ignored. Also, soooo pleased gallas is out of the team. Dawson did well against Carroll.
Windlespur
Big c - siggy and dembele are not terrible buys. They both need to settle and play better, but siggy is young - assume you were saying the same about bale in his first season ? He is a real talent and Dempsey proven, but not in great form although today was significantly better.
Windlespur
What a player Gareth Bale is, superb. On the other hand Tom Huddlestone is a shadow of the player he once was. His passing accuracy has gone, his mobility is worse than ever, he never had great pace, but he is bloody pedestrian at the moment, and he looks fed up and frustrated. This business of not cutting his hair until he scores, on todays evidence he wll be falling over it, and breaking his bloody neck, before he gets it cut.
Frank
I wouldn't say that gallas is out of the team, I think AVB felt that dawson was a stronger presence in the air to counter their long ball to carroll approach and he was right. would not be surprised to see gallas ahead of dawson when dealing with the far more multi faceted threat of suarez though, we all want to see kaboul back partnering vertonghen, or caulker, but until then galls will have a role to play, he still reads the game well and I would not put money on dawson coping with suarez
Guernman
great win today,not just for us fans but for the team and AVB.as usual the nay-sayers are conspicuous in their absence and their silence is deafening.....happy dempsey had a decent/good game(where did that black eye come from?),happy dawson had a good game(can't sell him to old twitchy bo||ox),happy lloris is showing why he is a top goal keeper(there will be tougher tests but edging him in slowly seems to be working),happy for AVB(a win over wetspam goes a little way to winning over the doom merchants) happy for defoe (never been a defoe fan,never liked him if the truth be told for various reasons but his goals have kept us afloat this season and has been good/brilliant under the circumstances).......if we can play the same team but with dembele instead of Thudd we can do the scousers.....COYS!
g. roberts testes
Well done Spurs!
Uskok
Great game for all the players today, personally couldn't fault anyone. JD has certainly been revived under AVB and what a cracking goal! Happy to see Daws playing today.
mountainyid
Any news on Sandro?
mountainyid
Sandro tweeted he is fine. Seems he just got winded when Diame stepped on him
sydqcb5
Thanks sydqcb5 & good news. He didn't look too good when he was vomiting! Thought maybe broken ribs.
mountainyid
Good news indeed. He won the ball in a tackle that led to Lennon speeding down for the 3rd goal by Defoe.
Madaboutspurs
Like anyone could take out The Beast.
Tottenham Hotcore
sydqcb5 thanks for the news mate! Afterall Sandro is one of our best players and it would hurt like hell to miss him against Loserfools.
SilwalYid
"We were training and Daws caught me. It's all good, he's a tough guy!" --Clint on his shiner. Maybe Daws should belt him one before every game. Damn, but it seemed to work. lol Good performance from the lads. COYS
SpursEagle
Not surprised Walker had a better game...he has Daws slightly deeper next to him....as for the Thud bashers he played well today, picked up a lot of loose ball and spread play....his reverse pass for Dempsey to set up Bales goal was as good as Dempseys....as for the commentators on MOTD saying defoe's strike lit up a poor 1st half....rubbish, we were all over them in the first half and played some good stuff...The mix up between lloris and Caulker shows why Lloris should have played more with the defence and will get better as the understanding grows....
shedboy2
SpursEagle...thanks for clearing that up.i was thinking the same thing.maybe if he got clattered before every game it might wake him up a bit.
g. roberts testes
Good second half performance, can't believe that the spammers had only conceded 12 goals before as their defence looked the worst we have played against. However before we scored we did not threaten their goal except for individual brilliance form Defoe and Bale. They provided all our goal threat and it wasn't until we were one up that we started to play as a team going forward. Also the save Lloris made at 1-0 was crucial. So well done AVB for getting the defensive picks correct, let's hope we can build on that. Almost every good time is built from a solid back line and I like the balance of a battler like Dawson alongside the ball players
Forever Spurs
shedboy2, im with you all the way. I thought the first half was impressive play from us and only a goal was missing until Defoe bagged his great goal. Even reading the report on the BBC website comes across as a boring poor first half.
yiddyboy
Just read a few posts and Frank I agree with your assessments on Bale and Thudd. How much of the way Thudd is playing is down to still coming back from a year out I am not sure. I have always liked Huddlestone but also said you need to play people with him who will allow him to play...Modric was perfect for him...I think he would be better in a three man midfield. I do feel though that he is under orders from AVB, like the rest of the team, to play in a way that perhaps does not bring out what he is best at...using his great passing range. In that is true then he is not worth playing since others can do the DM role far better. Previously we were a passing team but now we are not but perhaps playing to the strengths of Bale and Defoe is sensible as they are the players who can create goals out of nothing. That was certainly true on Sunday as they lifted the team from stagnant possession
Forever Spurs
yiddyboy...come on you cannot honestly believe that about the first half? It was so bad that I had decided to concentrate on watching the F1 procession around the track instead, it was much more interesting. We lacked any goal threat and it looked just like the Wigan game and many others this season. Fortunately after we scored wet spam gave up unlike other sides we have played
Forever Spurs
I disagree Forever Spurs, we dominated possession, hit the bar, scored 1 goal and had numerous free kicks/corners causing them to defend for their lives. If you expect 3 or 4 goals in every half of football we play then you're a fan we'll have a problem satisfying. The were no negatives in the first half. Even the atmosphere was at a level I'd expect for any home game.
yiddyboy
Forever Spurs, yesterdays game was absolutely nothing like Wigan. For a start, we had the right player's on the pitch. Daws and Caulker moved back a bit, Dempsey moved forward a bit, which meant we could influence all areas of the pitch better/control possession. Maybe it was just down to creating more space, but our off the ball movement seemed a lot better as well. We weren't amazing and Lloris was important, but it looks like we may have reached base camp.
LizardSpur
FS u certainly missed a good first half... Pork Chop
Mix26
Seemed to have the passion back yesterday.

Excellent display all round. COYS !
ro6ertj
Much, much better and I think the difference was Dempsey who's touch finally returned allowing him to be an effective link. If that level of performance is maintained on Wednesday (for 90 mins)we can hope that a corner has been turned. No over-confidence please, the Spammers were shlte.
Love totty
not too bothered if Sandro's out for abit.... always felt he's over-rated just cos he's gungho in the tackle that always gets cheap brownie pts off fans.... THudd and Dembele (if fit) or possibly Carroll in this game (as Livpoo dont play with giants in the middle..... a draw wouldnt be too bad on Wednesday and a win would be a bonus.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Viyyash a man who starts every game for Brazil when fit is not overrated. Sandro is a class act, he wins the ball back with agression, hes dynamic in his forward play, strong, brave and by far the best DM at the club.
jordtheyid
Viyyash that assessment sounds more applicable to Parker. Whcih is why the Enlgish public cream all over him. No offense to Parker but he is more of a blood and guts player that people love. Sandro is good in both the standing and sliding tackle and is aggressive a true DM. Like Jord said, you're not Brazils starting MF at 23 if your overrated.
IGSpur
 

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