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Fulham vs. Tottenham Hotspur

Spurs will be looking to make it three wins on the bounce at Craven Cottage tomorrow, and on a personal note, Clint Dempsey and Mousa Dembele will be looking to prove their decision to leave Fulham for bigger and better was the right move. But lets not forget Spurs legend Martin Jol and also our former pantomime villain Dimitar Berbatov, who has started brilliantly since his move from Old Trafford. Many Spurs fans would have happily forgiven the Bulgarian for his past misdemeanours and had him back leading our attack and with 23 goals from his last 27 club starts, it is easy to see that he retains the qualities that made him such a great striker in his all too brief time at WHL.

It is hard to assess Fulham's home form this season. Three wins and ten points from a possible eighteen is average, and their wins over Norwich on the opening day (5-0), WBA (3-0) and Villa (1-0) and all decent, but in recent games, they were very lucky to cling onto a point against Everton (2-2) and were comfortably beaten 3-1 by a usually poor Sunderland. Of course we can look at their decent 0-0 draw at Stamford Bridge in mid-week, but was that due to them playing without pressure and Chelsea having the weight of the world on their shoulders?

Perhaps Tottenham's biggest problem is coping with the demands of so many games, where there are not enough bodies to make major rotation an option. In fairness the players seem to be coping at the moment, but will this come back to bite us on the backside later in the season? Steven Caulker is expected to be fit after illness prevented him from facing Liverpool and it will be interesting to see whether he steps straight back into the team and how makes way? Can Gallas play twice in a few days, where is Dawson in the pecking order and will Vertonghen remain at left back? Personally I would like to see Walker, Dawson, Caulker and Vertonghen fill our back four and feel that has the best quality and balance available to AVB at the moment.

It seems that simply selecting Mousa Dembele guarantees that Spurs won't lose, which is good enough for me, but having him back alongside Sandro is a massive bonus to the Tottenham team and with Lennon and Bale looking so good at the moment, you feel we have a midfield to counter any opposition in the league on quality and current form. I was half expecting Clint Dempsey yo have a stormer against Liverpool, and I hope we get the the best of him against his former club tomorrow. Against West Ham, he was outstanding and you hoped that was the game to kick-start his Tottenham career, but in mid-week it was back to the same old questions and will he/wont he hit the heights at WHL after looking so goos with Fulham. Merely having him in the Tottenham line-up will give Fulham a few worries, as they know far better than we do, what a dangerous player his is. Will we see him raise his game? I have no idea, but I have a feeling that Jermain Defoe will be a man who will fancy his chances of scoring and he might well have a mid-week off, with Adebayor probably starting against Panathinaikos next Thursday, but will this weekend complete his final games suspension.

On current form, you wouldn't bet your house on any of the challenging sides winning this weekend, such is the inconsistency of the Premiership. A Spurs win would at the very least keep us on the shoulder of the top four places, which I suppose being a team in transition, is all we can expect, but three wins on the bounce would be a major booster to the teams confidence and who knows what that added belief can add to the teams performance...

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Writer: OxfordSpur

Date:Friday November 30 2012

Time: 5:11PM

Your Comments

Fulham have looked good this season at it will be a tough match as always i would love a win but would settle for a draw ,your right about Berba looking good what a snip for 5 mil.Good new on all the injured players and with some srewd buys in Jan i could look a whole lot better not one team in the prem is playing well at the moment so we have a chance for 3rd ,,sadly so do 6 ther teams .COYS

Edinburgh Spur

nice spelling...David .

Edinburgh Spur

Erm have all spurs fans moved to mars ??? i put that up 30 mins ago .

Edinburgh Spur

Fulham lost to Sunderland after they went a man down due to a red card to Hangeland (sound faimiliar ?). but they are a good side with alot of frenzied support at their small in yer face stadium, and we can lose there easily enough in the past... if we can control the emotions of Dempsey and Dumbell as well as quiten the crowd and keep Berba away from our goal by playing a highline to nullify his lack of pace, it could... should... be a profitable day at the office.

Viyyash-Ramosh

Fulham havent won in over 6 games (4 draws 2 losses) they are also without their best defender and a handful of other first team players; we bought their best players and when dembele plays we seem to always win. As long as we dont play Gallas who yet again almost single handedly gave liverpool a goal on wednesday (like he does every game) we should be okay!

spursnoob

I was thinking too that our 2 ex-Fulham players will be spitting hairs to score on their first return to the Cottage so both must start on Saturday imo. I also agree with Walker, Caulkner, Daws and Verts at the back. With this combination we'll surely beat a Fulham team who have conceded as much as us (in fact have identical goal differences)! 1-2 or 0-2 for me.

bowerman

this 'we always win with Dumbo' is abit naive.... I remember the 'we always lose when Bale starts' 'FACT' well enough too..

Viyyash-Ramosh

Fulham have had some very difficult fixtures recently, but they drew 3-3 away to Arsenal as well as the 0-0 with Chelsea and the 2-2 with Everton. I wouldnt look into their recent form too much. Should be a difficult game.

Guyver

Basically, they've recently taken points off all our rivals.

Guyver

I had us down for a draw but would like to nick the 3 points. we have won the last four games and have not lost in 6 prem games against them.
I am aware of the hiding we got in the FA almost 2 years ago.
It seems like Jol has still got a soft spot for Spurs ;). Those of you going to the game, make sure that you sing his name a little.
Not a big fan of first game back for players sold as they normally (for us anyway) fall flat on their ar5e, especially when they begin talking 5hit before the game. I hope Dempsey does not become our new Keane in the ar5e talking dept.
As far as the team goes, not really too many choices except Gallas and Dawson, and both have their issues. Would really like to see a full strength squad available for selection and see what AVB could do with it.
Personally i would love to see
------------Lloris
Kaboul---Caulker---Vert
----------Sandro---------
Lennon---Dembele---Bale
-------Defoe-------Ade----
Remember "it's about the glory". Who cares about clean sheets if we can score 4 or 5 goals ;)
COYS

miamispur

miamispur, think you left Parker out, or maybe BAE, depending on your intended line up.

Guyver

miamispur, you also forgot Ledley King in your team! but joking aside, should be an interesting game tomorrow. Yes, friends and enemies united. I would like Gallas to be left on the bench and the back 4 being Walker, Dawson, Caulker, Verts, the rest of the team speaks for itself.

mountainyid

Guyver-my intent with this line up is to score. I think that with "lesser teams" the back 3 with Sandro sitting as sweeper would suffice.
Obviously against a UTD or City this would not work, maybe the following
Walker--Kaboul--Vert--BAE
------Sandro--Parker-------
Lennon---Dembele---Bale
----------ADE--------------

miamispur

mountainyid-a back line of Kaboul/King/Vert or Walker/King/Vert/BAE would be a title winning defense. You got me drooling.....

miamispur

Adebayor's serving his las game of suspension, so he won't be in your line-ups

tengboon

Did you know William Gallas leads the PL in interceptions amongst all defenders? Shocking, I know! If Caulker is fit, I would still bench Gallas for Dawson. Walker has been so much better since Dawson has started, even tho he's still hoofing it to the other team far too much

tengboon

miamispur, Kaboul is out injured still, as is Parker. Ade can't play, as tengboon says, has one game left on his suspension. Team could be: Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Caulker, Verts, Lennon, Dembele, Sandro, Dempsey, Bale, Defoe. Great line-up...for now!

mountainyid

Lloris
Walker Dawson Caulker Vertongen
Sandro Dembele
Lennon Dempsey Bale
Defoe

Could it be any other line-up?

tengboon

tengboon-neither will Kaboul or BAE, these are my fantasy teams when the full squad is available
COYS

miamispur

Although, I could see Gallas in his wise old years getting a handle on Berbatov more than Dawson, so I wouldn't be upset if AVB started him instead

tengboon

agree tengboon, but some of Dawson's hoofing does reach a spurs player. His good defending outweighs his poor hoofing, in my opinion. I think he will find it hard to make 1st team when Kaboul and BAE are fit and I hope he doesn't leave in Jan as for me he is still a valuable squad member.

mountainyid

tengboon-your line up is the best that we have available, however if Dempsey does not come out blazing like he did against the Spam he should be pulled at half time and have Siggy replace him.

miamispur

Miamispur, aaah, full squad dreams! Let's see.....
Lloris
Walker Kaboul Vertongen BAE
Sandro Dembele Parker
Lennon Adebayor Bale

That's right, 4-3-3 baby!

tengboon

Mountainyid, I think the fact that he got captains armband straight away means that AVB feels he's a big part of our squad. I don't think he'll be chasing 'Arry over to QPR

tengboon

Fulham have a weakend squad for tomorrow with 3 players out injured and Hangeland on suspension. A win would be fantastic keeping us in the mix.

mountainyid

I wonder if the Fulham fans will boo Dembele aswell as Dempsey, or neither. Could be a match full of booing if we keep possession in midfield ;-)

mountainyid

No more than Spurs stand will be booing Berbatov I suppose. Let's hope the Yid Army is out in full force with the songs and cheers!

tengboon

Fulham ground is great for watching a game, you feel like you're on the pitch, the stadium is so small and you can look out at the river Thames at half-time, good afternoons entertainment!

mountainyid

Have to admit, I liked Fulham when Tomasz Radzinski was firing them in (canadian). Still wish we would have signed Hoillett out of purely nationalistic intentions

tengboon

Re Dawson: I can’t see him leaving for QPR in January. At Spurs (even as a sub), he can look forward to chasing top 4 in EPL, hopefully still in the F A Cup, in knock out stages of EL (where he should get a better look in) and whenever he plays for us, he gets the Capt armband. Whereas at QPR, fighting relegation, may be given the Capt armband there, having to put up with ‘arry! And yet another change in formation/style (but then again, he only has ONE style, i.e., put his body on line and HOOF!) ... Hope he stays. COYS!

Critical_Spur

Re the Fulham game....wasn’t this the fixture last season where we won just like playing at ManU, while Harry (I think) was ill?. Hope AVB doesn’t tinker with the team too much. Gallas with that right thigh issue against L’pool may well be rested.....I hope so! COYS!

Critical_Spur

re: Daws I CAN see him going to QPR in Jan....if kaboul is back he'll know he's 3rd choice at best and he likes to play. He can go to QPR on loan from Jan till the end of the season with a perm deal agreed if they stay up....so if they stay up he's a hero and gets a nice contract, game time and a manager that trusts him, if they go down he comes back to us but he's been playing regularly and the fans won't hold it against him....it's a win win for him...

shedboy2

re the game...fast tempo from the off, don't let Berba get near our area expecially in 1 on 1 situations....

shedboy2

COME ON YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN

Madaboutspurs

Viyyash-Ramosh,well one thing is fact - We have never lost when Lennon scores - problem is he scores rarely. Atleast this season he seem to get inside the box and looks to score.

sydqcb5

Fulham are a good team but they are missing some important players . Only worry is ofcourse Berba. If we can hit the ground running in first half, we should get a win.

sydqcb5

critical spur, re last season, lucky win, i think they had a couple of good penalty shouts, which they didn't get

mountainyid

Could be a difficult game, could be an easy game who knows but we need 3 points as Everton should in theory be tougher and would ideally go there on the back of another win to ease the pressure! Team picks itself really or it should, Lloris, Walker, Daws, Caulker, Verts, Lennon, Sandro, Dembele, Bale, Dempsey, Defoe!

El Jefe

A couple of interesting facts ahead of tomorrows game. Spurs have taken the lead in the last 2 away games and lost and conceded 78% of goals in the 2nd half. The only team (in Prem League) not to concede a goal in the first 15 minutes of a game. Not sure what to wish for tomorrow, apart from 3 points! COYS

mountainyid

Not best pleased, gonna have to watch this via a stream online as its not being beamed live on my portuguese Sport TV. Nearly every Spurs match is shown live on it, but tommorow is one of the rare days when it will not. Have to put up with crappy streaming, constantly cutting out, etc - bloody annoying!

El Jefe

el jefe, el mismo aqui...still it will be the normal soon, returning to England in January, never see a Saturday 3pm kick-off again, but good that I will get to go to White Hart Lane, November 2011, Aston Villa was my last game. We won by the way!

mountainyid

apparently the Marseille fans have fallen in love with Joey Barton or is it his accent they love ;-)

mountainyid

Difficult game as most PL games these days. a win is needed to stay in contention and boost confidence. I love Jol and will be sad for him if we win but Spurs comes first. He has done us some favours since being at Fulham taking points against our rivals at crucial times even though we haven;t always taken advantage of it. Need to watch Berby and we need Dempsey of he is to play to up his game.

thfan

Spursnoob – Can you please tell me how the F** Gallas was at fault for the goal against Liverpool? Seriously? Lennon clears the ball off the line, it hits Bale in the face and goes in … but yeah, it’s Gallas’ fault! Why? Because he was on the pitch!

Lads, take off your man love glasses for a sec and ask where are we being hurt. Look at the games against City and Arsenal. City attack more on their opponents right, but against us, planned a 47% attack rate down our LEFT! Arse upped that to 50% attacks on our left, from a season average of 33%. Take a look at where we were in trouble against Liverpool, and you'll see it was Sterling, on our left. Can you recall that excruciating game against Utd? Again, the LEFT!

So, if Walker and Lennon are so crap, especially when Gallas is "the weakness" on that side, then why the hell are teams getting more joy on the other side? For example, if Lennon had left Kyle Walker so exposed as Bale did against Walcott, he'd be sporting a new a*se for the comments he'd get here.So, do we have plyers ala Bale & Verts who are getting ripped apart defensively(Se how Walker is playing well now but is an easy whipping boy) but we blame Lennon and Walker?

How is it that Lloris is lauded for conceding 5 agsinst the Arse, yet Friedel gets ripped to pieces and insulted in games he only conceded 1 or 2? Defoe is having his best run of form for us, but still, he is crap. Do you guys realise how absolutely retarded you sound? And if it is as easy as you guys make out, why aren't you playing, why aren't you managing a team? I know why, because its easier to sit at a computer and pass judgment than it is to get out there and actually do it. Face it, we are all failed footballers, so if it's as easy as we think it is, then why aren't we earning mountains of money?

Personally, I love Baler, and Verts ... but fobbing everything off on Lennon and Walker is laughable, as is Spursnoob's comment blaming Gallas for the goal against the Pool, which started this rant!! lol COYS

SpursEagle

SpursEagle. I agree, our left side is weak and has been since BAE was injured. Verts is not a natural left back and is often caught out of position. Naughton is not good enough. When BAE and Kaboul return I think we will have one of the best back 4 in the prem....if not the best. COYS!

mountainyid

AVB slammed modric to focus on his game rather than worrying about Bale! LOL

SilwalYid

Spurseagle - do you not think that the relative weakness on our left is because Sandro operates mostly on the right of centre?

Love totty

good response from AVB with modric - great little dig at the end too, " I think with the player that he is, he will turn it around and will manage to get into the team a little bit more." ha, the grass is not always greener gareth

Guernman

The weakness on the left side is obvious to all. It is the case of our strength also being our weakness. Bale rarely comes back to help defensively, he drifts all over the pitch...to good attacking effect...and so teams know we can be vulnerable there. Add to that the fact that Verts loves to attack and several times in a game gets stranded up the pitch and it is a clear area for us to be attacked. The right side can also be similar since obviously Walker is a better attacker than defender, often relying on nothing but his pace to rescue himself...good job he is so quick. I tend to agree with the view that a fit BAE and Kaboul will make us stronger but we have to be realistic. They have been out a long time so it will some time before they will be match fit when they have recovered

Forever Spurs

Lloris Walker Dawson Caulker Vertongen Sandro Hudd Lennon Dembele Bale Defoe Replacing Dempsey with Dembele would mean their is space for Hudd as well in the team, with his great long range passing, free kicks and corners, and would give Dembele, the freedom to express and create in the hole and feed Lennon, Bale, and Defoe and get within shooting range! AVB won't do it of course... It's way to obvious!

pelebro

one word berbertov

truth sayer ffc

Bale defensive duties are poor in comparison to Lennons. Vertonghen is not as good at LB gets turned easily and naughton isn't good enough yet. Sandro our best defensive CM plays mainly on the right. Walker is weak and uses his pace to get out of trouble and Gallas is weak but overall I think the work rate of Lennon and Sandro makes the right side stronger defensively than the left but the left side stronger in attack. The lest side wasn't so exposed when BAE and Modric played because BAE is a better player than Naughton and is a natural LB not like Vertonghen and Modric work rate of moving around and retaining the ball helped us. Lennon best play has been when he has tucked in and ran through the middle rather than stand on the wings and I think AVB is bringing this into his game. His crosses are too weak and poor to stand on the wing all the time so mixing his game up has actually improved Lennon but Bale mixing his game up drifting in doesn't always work he is much better on the wing as he has a great cross and skill to beat the last man. With BAE and Kabule back we have a good solid defensce but this season has shown us we need backup for BAE and possibly Walker. I do think Caulker and Dawson are good enough to cover CB and Gallas can do a job but still think Dawson is better than Gallas. As for Lloris I think he is better than Freidal but Freidal was given some unjustified stick. However, we will see some mistakes from Lloris because of the nature of his game but long term I think he will be good for us. With Dembele back we will be better but we need cover or that other creative CM as Hudd is not good enough. We have cover for Sandro in Parker and if we get really stuck Livermore although I don't think he is good enough to play regular or a starter but Parker should be. I think the striker area is suspect as we know. Defoe is playing his best football under AVB in a long time but cannot be expected to maintain as a lone striker and be effective all season long as he really isn't a lone striker but hats off to him he has done very well. Ade is valuable if he stays fit, works hard and gets his head out of his arse. With him away we will be weak as I don't think Dempsey is good enough long term even though he has improved. We need another top striker and as for the wings we need cover there as we cannot rely on Bale and Lennon not to get injured or burnt out or never lose form.

As for AVB comments on Modric correct and Modric has a lot to do if he wants to be part of that team and he hasn't long as he is not getting younger. Sometimes the grass isn't greener on the other side. Often players are top players in lesser teams but when they go to a top team they don't shine as much. Modric is a top player but he is playing with better players and will need to compete something he hasn't been used to for a while as when he was with us he was automatic choice.

thfan

According to reports BAE is set to start full on training next week, that is good news, with him being back around the christmas period or sooner. A few post's worrying about what Fulham have, Fulham should be worrying about what we have, if we go about this game in the right frame of mind and I'm certain we will, then we will come away with all three points, we just have to again put in a top performance,.

spu 4 life

My team would be; Lloris; Walker; Dawson; Caulker; Lennon; Sandro; Dembele; Bale; Dempsey; Defoe.

spu 4 life

I think we need Dembele to play the deeper role until Scotty is fit again and then try him in the hole. However I think ultimately his strong running from deep is what makes him special.

Love totty

oh and vertonghen, so used to playing with 10

spu 4 life

I'm looking forward to having Kaboul and Ekotto back so we have to stop having this ridiculous debate about Gallas and Dawson. Let's be honest, if Gallas was Dawson's age there wouldn't even be a debate. Gallas got 80 caps for a decent France side and excelled in some good teams in his day. Dawson is supposed to be having his day now and yet hasn't barely improved in the last 5 years. He is not a top 4 centre half and should move back to a mid to lower table side and enjoy the rest of his career. Both should be surplus as soon as AVB can get another centre half in at the club who can compete with Kaboul, Vertonghen and Caulker. As for Naughton, who knows. He's 24 nowadays and had a fair bit of football behind him. As much as I enjoy his cultured play I'm still left wondering whether he can cut it at the level we need to be. I'm hoping Adam Smith can step up.

muttley

I agree about playing Hudd instead of Dempsey. He gives us much more but to repeat myself needs to be in a three man midfield with two strong players...unless he has Modric alongside

Forever Spurs

I dont wanna see Dembele in the hole when otherts are fit for midfield... Dembele is good but is getting hugely overhyped by fans. Defoe is the best foil for Adebayor and last season when played together, the team had a ridiculously high wins to games ratio.... keep Dembele in the Modric role in midfield, otherwise we'd have just autromatons with no creativity there in Parker, Sandro as 1st choices...

Viyyash-Ramosh

....with current injuries to midfielders it would be silly to risk THudd, Sandro and Dembele all playing simultaneasly... thats why AVB will not start them together, like some above in this thread were hoping for.... you need to look at the bigger picture.

Viyyash-Ramosh

Sneak three points here and we'll be on our way this season! COYS!

TopSpur13

We should have a lot of confidence going into this off the back of two wins. Although Dembele and Dempsey will get the attention I think Lennon will be key to this game. He is one of the quickest counter attacking players in the league and as Fulham are at home it will hard to double up on both him and bale.
Hope Jol gets another good reception but also hope that starts when are two nil up. COYS, 0-2 Defoe, bale.

T.H.F.Chris

I am also happy if we just use Thudd sparingly as personally I doubt he will ever be the same player after all his injuries. A shame he did not have a manager with the sense of Moyes who played Rooney carefully when he was growing. Tom started as a 16 yrd and played 43 games that season...at the age of 18 he had played at least double the games Rooney had and in the physically tougher Championship. I think he will always now have ankle and maybe n=knee problems that will hold him back. Perhaps rationing his games for a year or two will allow him to get stronger again but I am doubtful so maybe he gets sold to a team who will play more for him...Italy could suit his game

Forever Spurs

I personally feel his injuries are nominal and are not the main drag to his performance.... the problem really is his lack of mobility in a 2-man central midfield with 2 very wide wingers alongside, making him have to cover too much ground... this, even with a Dempsey/Ade dropping off into midfield.... THudd needs to be the fulcrum of a narrow 3 in midfield, maybe in a 4-3-3 eg. at Arsenal, that way he will need to run less as he'll have 2 colleagues working closer next to him either side..... Italy would not be good for him (with the pasta-factor involved!)

Viyyash-Ramosh

Hudd in for Dempsey? That's pure crazy talk

tengboon

Just on my way to the ground. Going with a close friend but a Fulham supporter! Dinner is on the loser!

It will be my last game this year, Phoenix, Arizona as from Tuesday and all of Christmas and the New Year..

Going for a 2-1 win for the Spurs ! COYS !

ro6ertj

what_sux

ro6ertj. If a loss go for Hotdogs, if we win Japanese all the way! Enjoy you loongggg Xmas & New Year break ;-)

mountainyid

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what_sux

what_sux..the girls hot, but those toys are scary, especially the one at the back!

mountainyid

Our starting team today: Lloris, Naughton, Dawson, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Bale, Dempsey & Defoe

what_sux

Our subs: Friedel, Walker, Gallas, Carroll, Livermore, Sigurdsson & Falque

what_sux

Interesting, Walker benched?

mountainyid

Just when he started to up his game?

mountainyid

WEST HAM 2 - 1 CHELSEA LOL

spurring you on

walker rested for europa + everton? good to rest him now imo

spurring you on

Walker must have a slight injury? There's no other reason that Naughton would start ahead of him is there?

Fanman

3-1 west ham haha

Guyver

It's not over until the Fat Waiter Sings, Spammer 3 Chelski 1!

mountainyid

Well, least AVB is rotating the team. Its a pity that we can't rotate Bale and Lennon. COYS!

Fanman

Maybe we shouldn't be laughing at Chelsea just yet, we still have Fulham to play!

Fanman

this chelsea implosion.. i only wonder how far it will go

spurring you on

Fanman its funny because Chelski have spent about £160m in the last 2 seasons. We should definitely be laughing!

Guyver

My word, if Levy bought James Rodriguez, Isco, and Llorente we'd certainly win the Prem this year. If he'd bought Isco and Benteke only we would secure at least a 4 top four finish....Oh how I wish to be one of Levy's advisors!

dcruzer

I was happy too that Chelsea got beaten, but I wouldn't laugh until I see us win at Fulham.

logos8

#Love Totty: That's a good point about Sandro. However, if he is operating mostly on the right, then we need to do something to help the left. Is the answer to get Bale to track back more? I think so, but there's a fine balance, and I'd hate to see Bale's attacking prowess curtailed in any way.

Mountainyid: Totally agree that we need Benny back on the left, and I think we are all dying to see Verts back in the center ... and as Forever says, we still have Younis to come back.

Lennon, imo, has upped his defensive duties helping out Walker, and its worked (however, at a cost of a forward threat on our right). I guess I'd like to see honesty from those who criticise the loudest, as they always pounce on the same players, regardless of what actually happened. Tough game today. COYS

SpursEagle

Has anyone got a decent sopcast link?

OneCentRob

Guyver, perhaps you're right.

Fanman

vip box working

Big Ron

Dawson injured and Gallas in -> we just lost this game.

Jables

OMFG is the no game we can actually keep gallas out of the team

spursnoob

Is that a second straight yellow card for Bale for diving?

Jables

Come on you Spurs

SilwalYid

What a save!!!!!!

Madaboutspurs

All the browser links are glitchy, full of adverts and rubbish. Where the frig are the sopcast links at?!

Bernio Villas-Spuras

Where did all the spurs fan go??

SilwalYid

Lennon again $hit & not one attack coming from the right

big cockeral

Where did all the spurs fan go??

SilwalYid

this is so flat... let's get to HT 0:0 then have have a re-think and a bollocking

Cape Town Spurs

They have 10 behind the ball and are just defending the center cause they know we have no-one to cross the ball from the wings. At the moment we look like we cannot break up their defence. It's all going to Jol's plan.

Jables

I am not too worried. we are playing so crap and yet they have not really looked too much better. can't help but feel that we must play better the next half. if we go in 0-0 then i think we could nick the points. of course berba could easily win it for them too. classy player

Guernman

And their counter attacks look dangerous.

Jables

Sounds like I'm not the only one stuck with a dodgy stream. They must be marking Dembele out of the game, we have nothing going on in midfield, they are forcing us outside. Naughton is more of a Corluka type, not pushing up, not servicing Lennon....

tengboon

Anybody awake here?

what_sux

At the moment, I would say that Fulham are parking the bus, and playing us on the counter. They are looking difficult to break down, but we're trying.

Fanman

we should put in big bids for Fellaini and Baines with Hudd and Parker going the other way. Sandro and Fellaini with Dembele in front of them....wow.

vicspur

Watched it intermittenly as cannot get into matches watching via these crappy streams. Apart from Sandro everyone elses looks pretty poor and lethargic! Tight pitch at CC so that could have something to do with it, cannot get our wingers into the game as would like. Will make more of an effort to watch the 2nd half!

El Jefe

what have i missed, just come back home?

spu 4 life

@s4life - nothing. Head up and have a look a what sux and the poker dot socks, it is far more interesting.

thenuge

My team talk would be 11 cans of redbull and 11 double expressos.

thenuge

I guess 4 games in 12 days is taking the toll on our players. I see no energy. Our full backs have been not upto the mark - both Vertongehn & Naughton are doing more back passes & mis-passes than forward runs. We need them to get in the game

sydqcb5

we're looking a little more assured at the back

Cape Town Spurs

What_Sux, wide awake in the DJ booth, your pic made me forget there was a game on!

tengboon

once again defoe's decision making is really starting to ***** me off

Guernman

Sandro showed the attackers how to score!!!

what_sux

SSSAAAANNNDDRRROOO!!!

rahn DMC

SANDRO, SANDRO, SANDRO!

El Jefe

thank F for that... & why was our only striker taking a throw in by the box?

Cape Town Spurs

Well, it is close to Christmas!

Durbanspur

tengboon - that's not even my best gif mate LOL

what_sux

well, well, I think even friedel would have dealt with that ;)

Guernman

If you want to win the lottery ,then go & buy a ticket .

England beat New Zealand in the Rugby ,WOW ,quality

big cockeral

Sandro Sandro Saaaaandro!

SilwalYid

Was always gonna be a sloppy goal or set piece in this type of game. You'd expect Fulham to come out a bit now, wonder how we'll handle it

Guyver

*****

El Jefe

******** hell, hopefully bales hamstring is not bad

rahn DMC

fulham will have to open up a bit now, damned bale injuries, now that really is a problem

Guernman

Bale injured,hamstring!

El Jefe

Lets nick it 1-0, shall we??

SilwalYid

exquisite from berbatov

Guernman

Man City Everton draw, 3 points would be fantastic today. Arse drawing as well

tengboon

without bale, and down to our last few defenders, we could really use these three points today

Guernman

Nice juke Sigurdsson, very nice!

what_sux

I said Defoe is having his best ever season ,& he goes marching on

big cockeral

Siggy at last does something special! Defoe natural predator!

El Jefe

the arrival of sigurdssen? great goal! well played by everyone involved...

rahn DMC

FANTASTIC play from soggy!! finally showing some real quality. nice finish defoe :))

Guernman

Dont care if its ugly,just want the points!

SilwalYid

Do not rate sigurdson at all, maybe i will be proved wrong, that was quality

spurfect one

Golden boot for Defoe,anyone? ;)

SilwalYid

really nice to hear the spurs fans dominating craven cottage

rahn DMC

MOTM: Senderos LOL. He assists so many goals LOL

what_sux

another great goal! well played dempsey and defoe, what a great ball, dempsey playing a lot better recently!

rahn DMC

AVB got out of Defoe ........

What Harry never

big cockeral

Doesnt feel like a 3-0 performance, but we've been clinical. Other results going our way as well, just hope Bale isnt out for long.

Guyver

fabulous defoe, great pass from dempsey too. AVB has taken defoe on to a totally new level. he still has his flaws for sure, but he is a much better player this season. great to score two without bale as well

Guernman

soo much better now, i hope we keep this up until the last whistle, really go for the jugular

rahn DMC

Very good. 3 points. Hope Bale and Dawson not too bad.

Madaboutspurs

If we get 4 & WBA lose by 1 ,we go above them

big cockeral

C'mon 1 cleansheet now please for the topping!

SilwalYid

Link cut so did not see the 3rd goal, just heard it!

El Jefe

And Swansea score!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TopSpur13

Dembele didn't have a great game today, Defoe is on fire! COYS!!!

Fanman

Arsenal 0 Swansea 1

Durbanspur

Yes Michu makes Swansea 1-0!

what_sux

C'mon 1 cleansheet now please for the topping!

SilwalYid

how perfect :) arsenal losing and from a michu goal who is in my fantasy team lol

Guernman

ARSENAL LOOSING AT HOME Arse 0-1 Swansea YEEAHAAA.....

sydqcb5

I was saying the other day that Siggy would come good, lets hope this is the start. Bale being out will give him and opportunity.

Fanman

wow arsenal and WBA currently losing, with Chelsea already beaten.. Think we're above WBA as things stand.

Guyver

ARSENAL 0-2 SWANSEA. Hahahahahahahahahahaha

sydqcb5

swansea are 1 up against arse-en-hole

Cape Town Spurs

Arsenal trailing!!

Madaboutspurs

Wenger out!!

Guyver

second clean sheet of the season please

logos8

Lol Guernman,U must be over the moon! ;D

SilwalYid

haha, take 2, thanks michu!

Guernman

oh and Everton drawing of course.

Guyver

yes guyver, we have been since mid week

Cape Town Spurs

a 2nd for swansea

Cape Town Spurs

2-0 swansea

logos8

0-2 Swansea!

Fanman

guyver they were saying that last season too when they were 13 points behind us... but he somehow manages to finish with them 3rd or 4th.

logos8

Michu's been a great Siggy replacement for Swansea.

Guyver

I know logos8, annoying really lol.

Guyver

Arsenal 0-2 Swansea - COME ON - FOYG! Hahaha

MrSpurs

Good Results :-))

Madaboutspurs

BEST DAY ALL SEASON! WBA, CHELSEA AND ARSENAL ALL LOSE! BRILLIANT!!

TopSpur13

HAPPY DAYS. Good weekend for all of us.

Madaboutspurs

only goal difference separates us from 3rd place. I must say I wasn't expecting this

logos8

What a great weekend of results!!

MrSpurs

Arsenal in 10th as things stand with Swansea leapfrogging them into 7th. very tight league though.

Guyver

Actually its been a crazy season so far

Guyver

'arry heading towards a win too!

SilwalYid

Does

TopSpur13

guyver. yeah really annoying considering they kept selling their best players. I bet they will do it again in January, buy cheap players that will get the job done and finish top 4. Hopefully chelsea will fall and we will finish 3rd :D hope is bigger than before, but let's not get carried away. one game at a time

logos8

Fantastic win!. Clean sheet. Couldn't be better, 9 points in 3 games. Happy for Naughton, had a good game out on the right today. COYS!!!

mountainyid

Does Ade get back into the team next week...? I don't think so.

TopSpur13

3 points and a clean sheet yes! also good to see that we didn't make a defensive substitution at the end. Chelsea lose, West Brom lose, Arse lose, what a weekend! Now I can laugh! Hahahaha!!

Fanman

Think I might have to either watch motd tonight or a replay of the 2nd half on Sport TV! Great win and very much needed considering we go away to Everton next Sunday - very tough match. Result all the better with everyone around us losing and drawing! Just hope Bale is not out for long!

El Jefe

I thought we played ok. 0-3 Away to Fulham is not to be sniffed at. Obviously the big concern is Bale's injury. Hamstrings are a bitch. I wonder if Bale would have shot in sigurdsons position instead of passing for the second goal, me thinks he would have.

spurfect one

Great win, didn't see the 1st half but we looked solid in the second. Lovely pass from Dempsey for Defoes second, credit where it's due and all that. Clean sheet for Lloris and other results going our way too. All in all, a great weekend for us Spurs supporters.

thfc1882whl

Cape Town Spurs, we have been what since mid week?

Guyver

Hope bale and dawson are allright.If so this will prove to be the best matchday of this season!

SilwalYid

And this is AvB without having had a chance to add players he wants to the squad. Good times agreed. AVB AVB!

Tottenham Hotcore

Sigurdsson at LM cutting inside. Ade back 'upfront' with Defoe this month.... just like when Modders started with us at LM and we had Bent up top with Keano dropping off.... had a golden 3 month period of great fotball with great results... here's hoping COYS!!

Viyyash-Ramosh

Not great game. Lot of passing sideways and back and then hoof bit who cares we got the result COYS Bring on Everton

Big Ron

logos8, last season they had Van Persie who carried them into 3rd. I don't think they have that quality to pull them back up this season. I could always be wrong though...

Fanman

What a day. Who wants to pay vital chelsea a visit ;)

Tottenham Hotcore

Very pleased. Off to sleep now. Happy:-)).......

Madaboutspurs

Without Bale will be a real test, Siggs did well from that side. Ade definitely in next game, no question. Play Ade left in a 4-3-3 with Defoe centre.

tengboon

Seems Swansea played so convincingly that some say it should have been 0-5 for Swansea.

sydqcb5

I think this proves today although we all know JD has his limitations, give him the right service, he will bury chances.

spurfect one

Weird game in freezing conditions after a very hard week - tiredness and temperature accounting for lack of invention and injuries. We looked solid and boring until it opened up, but you can't turn it on with style every game. Fantastic weeks work - improved GD, a clean sheet, good results in other games. Send positive vibes to Bales & Daws legs. I would love to see Chelski & Arse slide down the table. I think this week could give the team a confidence boost in themselves and AVB's methods, which seem to be paying off at present. Big game Wednesday. COYS!

DocHotspurs

We won, kept a clean sheet even though Gallas was playing! Who would have thought! The blue and red scum lose, WB lose and City and Everton tie. That's shared 3rd place for us.

Jables

We're sitting 4th! Great 3 points, massive results allround. Concerned for Bale obviously, cannot rush him back. Even the All Blacks got thumped......time to roll one up and enjoy.

thenuge

I think Demsey has improved in the last few games. Siggy showed showed his talent with that assist. Will they come good after all? What a delightful day it has turned out to be. Let's hope Bale is not out too long.

asherthesmasher

3 -from- 3 that will do nicely, good of the lads not to score until i got in, after watching Bobs Worth win at newbury picked up over a ton, happy days... not the best of football matches, buy hey a win is a win, hope bale is ok, never saw dawsons injury but it's also hamstring i understand. Big thanks to What_Sux for posting my favourite girls each game, lol..

spu 4 life

Really solid performance from the whole team. Always in control I thought apart from a few crosses they could have made more of. Sandro again superb and JD there when it mattered. Great to see Siggy having something to be pleased about. We're now putting away the weaker teams as we should so things are looking up.

Love totty

5 points off le scum, Everton,here we come!

SilwalYid

Exactly logos8, its a long season, winning a battle doesnt mean you've won the war, long, long way to go. Good to see we are able to battle our way to victories though, I don't think we've seen the best of this team yet. Still need some new signings though, we always look 1 injury away from disaster.

Guyver

spurfect one, it was a great passage of play from Siggy, Bale would of definately shot... I thought Siggy looked good and hungry when he came on. Maybe he'll be able to step up while Bale is out?

Fanman

Well if Bale is out for long then Dempsey did all his best stuff for Fulham on the left so maybe he goes out there and Siggy or Ade in the middle not as good as having Bale obviously but might not be too shabby. Great weekend for us with results favouring us for a change lets hope we can keep the run going. Sorry for Daws tho just get him fit and playing well and injured again jeez we have had more than out fair share of injuries hope our luck in that regard changes soon. Great 3 points COYS!!

nomorewhlegends

Also special mention for Gallas, he gets a lot of stick on here but i thought he was superb today after he came on.

spurfect one

MAN OF THE MATCH ?

For me it was AVB ,brilliant in tactics ,selection & subs .He`s had some critics & some deservedly .
But in the last 2 weeks he`s been sensational in his choices & decisions ,spot on again today .We were comfortable for the whole 90 minutes .Lets give praise when due ,well done AVB .Much better than Harry

big cockeral

Fanman i hope so. It was refreshing seeing one of our attacking players taking the right and unselfish option instead of going for personal glory. Lennon done it against west ham aswell. Perhaps AVB'S Ideas coming to fruition?

spurfect one

Wonder if some of AVB's harshest critics will show the courage to sign in and congratulate the team for a good weeks work. Havent heard from them for a while ;)

Guyver

Arsenal 10th & Liverpool 11th. Arsenal - a mid table team....

sydqcb5

Big C, lol, think I will, was just thinking the same. Saw the rugby too, stopped me watching us. Awesome day's sport.

ParkLaneBB

as is said in another post, it is so encouraging to be in the mix when so much has gone against us so far, having lost three of our four best players over the summer and then to be without such important players in kaboul, parker, BAE etc, a new manager with new methods to bed in and we are now fourth. last season everything went perfect for us up to this point, the same best 11 were playing week in week out, of course this changed and with burnout and injuries we plummeted second half as per usual with harrys approach which including *****ing off half the squad who then couldnt be bothered when they were needed. we are looking like we could have a much better second half of the season than first this time, we haven't even played our best 11 once yet!! with really important players like kaboul and parker not even to have featured yet this could be really useful in the second half. plus i love the way AVB is dealing with the whole squad so well, even players like dawson, who was told he was fifth choice, has been treated with real respect throughout, and it shows throughout the squad, so when we need them they are all up for it

Guernman

Well played lads and well done AVB. We are a moutinho away from a very good side. We are so reliant on Dembele it's untrue. Defoe is turning into a fine player that gets better with age. COYS. 4th despite an injury crisis, losing our best 3 players in the summer and not really playing that well apart from a few halves. Not too shabby!

HuddersfieldYiddo

Lets hope AvB can be our fergie and be in the loooooooong haul. Chel$ea, gooners and liverpoo have all shown how hard a transitional period can be, only Fergie has done it time and again without really losing ground. In fact take €ity's billions from them and Man utd are WAY ahead of everyone.

Avb is handling our transitional period with an injury nightmare better than most could have hoped.

Good times ahead. Now where are Frank and Raging with their negative spins?

Tottenham Hotcore

No matter how one slices it, we're in fourth, tied on points with the massively demoralized Chelsea, have picked up 9 points on the week, and still don't have a full squad with major injured players out. Hard to feel too badly about any of this. And we've got a line up of coming matches loaded with clubs against which we should be taking points in the Table. Enthusiasm can be tempered with caution, e.g., Bale's hamstring, but downright pessimism of the sort that staulks this site so often seems unnecessary, lads. I too loads of guff here earlier in the season for expressing overall optimism, but I'm feeling quite OK right about now. Also, glad to be getting back slowly from the nightmare of the NYC storm. I'll talk about it on a slow day here but for now let's merely relish the 9 points on the week with a weakened team, and our move back into the top four. And, oh, yes, Arsenal well below us in the table next to the Liver Poo. But even leaving their mediocrity aside, we're not having a half bad season now, are we?

Total knobhead

Great result, not a great match, but given the amount of long-term injuries and lack of luck some weekends, to be at 4th, points-levelled wit Chelsea is not a bad way to start december. I imagine how high we can fly this season if AVB signs in the players he want and give Parker, Ekotto and Kaboul back. Hope both Dawson and Bale are not serioulsy injured. Any news about them ??

AlexSpur

With Bale injured, we should play Ade & Defoe together and move Dempsey to his usual Left side midfield. Eve though it will be a tough away game to Everton, its always better to attack Everton than sit back. Hit long balls to Ade and he will hold it and bring Dempsey & Defoe into play. With no Bale, we need to play a bit more differently.

sydqcb5

To me single reason why we picked up the game in second half was our fans it self. I ant remember a away game in a long time where our fans enjoyed so much.
By the way, anyone know the lyrics of the Jingle bells that was sung today ?

sydqcb5

Really great interview with Defoe here. He is so positive about the game and AVB. He is happy and says some great things about the way AVB treats the players. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/nov/30/jermain-defoe-tottenham-interview

chrishove123

Defoe is 3rd top scorer in the league now. Bale is our second top scorer. So, hopefully we wont loose him for longer time. If we do, we need goals, so its obvious to me that Ade & Defoe has to start together with Dempsey at Left.

sydqcb5

Good post Guernman!

Durbanspur

BRILLIANT.

chrishove123

BRILLIANT.

chrishove123

BRILLIANT.

chrishove123

BRILLIANT.

chrishove123

BRILLIANT ........... Well done ALL the team and well done AVB.

chrishove123

tk..welcome back! It's been a very good Spurs week. JD is having a great season and I'm pleased for him, definitely showing his critics what he can do at the moment, may he keep it up! Sandro has been brilliant and now that Dembele is back, they rule the midfield! Siggy was good when he came which was also encouraging. COYS!

mountainyid

thanks, mountainyid. Good to be back. What a weird month it was. by the way, the Reading- Man U match is pretty weird. 30 minutes and 6 goals? 3 by each team? If we can put a real run together, even the top teams are vulnerable this season.

Total knobhead

Slowly, slowly we're finding our feet. Very nice it feels too. There will still be blips along the way but the noises coming out from the squad are positive and happy. They're getting used to AVB's approach and we're now moving along the right road. There will be bumps along the way but we're moving in the right direction. The best thing I've seen so far is that we are winning matches without playing at our best. That is the trick of all the great sides.

SpuriousLife

see what you mean TK, just tuned in to the match, it's now 7 goals in 36 minutes...think I'm going to watch this one ;-)

mountainyid

Sorry about the multiple postings, I really don't know how they got on here because it is only part of what i wrote and i didn't post until after I had finished writing.

chrishove123

spurfect, I don't know if its AVB's influence, but you're right it is good to see our attacking players playing for the benefit of the team. Hopefully they can keep it up against Everton.

Fanman

chrishove123 Why apologise over writing brilliant 4 times ?
We were & they deserved it .

AVB man of the match gets my vote in the poll ,brilliant .Well proud to be a YIDDO

big cockeral

AVB will not risk all 3 'strikers' together on the pitch at once, cos Ade is off in January. Dempsey will be mothballed for January... Ade has to play December now before he goes and Defoe picks himself..... Siggy for LM curtting inside and making more solid centrally, with Verts on the overlap..... I likes it.

Viyyash-Ramosh

Adebayor is so greedy he may not play for Tonga as they have not paid his match fee .
Despite being a Spurs player the man is a disgrace .

big cockeral

When are you leaving Colombia, mountainyid? I'm getting out of NY for Brasil in 11 days. Graças á deus. After living without electricity, water, phone, internet, heat, with garbage piled up all around and the stairwells doubling for many as toilets, it's time to recharge in the tropics. But things are returning to normal slowly where my building is in lower Manhattan. At least i missed a series of poor Spurs performances, and they've been wracking up the points since I've been back to being able to watch in the last week. When was the last time the Spurs gained 9 points in the PL in a week?

Total knobhead

Big C, Tonga is in the Australia's, I think you'll find he comes from Togo which is in Africa,

Cape Town Spurs

Cape Town Spurs

Adebayor is so greedy he may not play for TOGA as they have not paid his match fee . Despite being a Spurs player the man is a disgrace .

Happy now dick ?

big cockeral

Guyver, we were above WBA since our result over Liverpool

Cape Town Spurs

Superb result today and agree AVB man of the match. Shame about Bale but at least he gets a couple of weeks rest which he probably needs at this stage. Pleased to read that Ekotto is back in training this week and Parker is a couple of weeks away from a return. Things are definitely looking up. Special mention for Caulker today. Considering his tender years, we really do look so much more assured when he's at the back.

muttley

Toga :) catch that one .Being dyslexic ,i went to a toga party dressed as a goat

big cockeral

Ade pays a large slice of his income directly into his charity in Togo.... if Togo dont pay his match-fee its cos they are trying to pull a fast one, and Ade is right to not allow them to do so... doubt his Togo match-fee is something Ade would worry about as its a pittance of his club-earnings.... its the principle and showing the Togo authorities that he wont stand for theft no matter how small for him it is..

Viyyash-Ramosh

Excuse me Mr Offensive... I was simply pointing out a matter of geography covering half the earths surface, i.e. Tonga vs Togo. Is that really a reason to call me a dick?

Cape Town Spurs

and as far as fee's are concerned, Big Dick, it is a matter of principal. If you are meant to pay someone then you are meant to pay them. It is that simple.

Cape Town Spurs

No we werent Cape Town Spurs, WBA lost today and we now have the same points as them, 26.

Guyver

Agree with the Ade situation, if Togo bosses are keeping players profits for themselves then arent they the ones being greedy.

Guyver

My opinion, but neither are in the right. Togo should pay him what they owe him if that's the agreement and Adebayor should be thoroughly ashamed being paid for the privilege of playing for his country. With his wealth he should waive his fees anyway.

muttley

So Adebayor is not there for club .....
OR country

We were warned

big cockeral

Just read AVB said Bale out for 2 weeks and not a long term injury concern. Hopethis report is true

spurfect one

Guyver... I concede... you are indeed correct. We are not ahead on goals scored

Cape Town Spurs

Wouldnt that be rewarding corruption muttley?

Guyver

Also, as Ade has come out of retirement then if he refuses to play for his country then surely they can stop him playing for us? I know that's the case for injuries but not sure about other circumstances.

muttley

Guyver - well normally you would be expecting a country's football association to be also investing in grass roots football. That's where I think the money should be going. With Togo, who knows. I can understand if an amateur footballer like we play against San Marino to have their costs covered as they would be out of pocket. Someone who is earning as much as Adebayor should never be paid to play for their country. Only my opinion.

muttley

Also from what I understand, most footballers are paid for international games. They usually take a small cut from any income made through advertising, prize money ect.

Guyver

I have a good idea ,let`s pu$$y foot over players who play hardly any games ,care about noone ,laugh at everyone ,mock the system the fans have to pay £50 for

But we all love ADEBAYOR . phucking disgrace & we were warned

big cockeral

TK, good move, I think you'll find Brazil much more agreeable and yes, your'e back at the right time as far as Spurs playing is concerned. 3 games 9 points! I'm leaving Medellin on 2nd January, unfortunately back to work after a 12 months break...ain't gonna be easy but I think looking at my bank account it's a necessity ;-(

mountainyid

Not sure what you're on about BC, but somehow I doubt you'd let your boss take(steal) just £10 from your wage whenever he felt like it.

Guyver

forgive me... we ARE AHEAD... tired fingers

Cape Town Spurs

Guyver So there`s no thought for the fans who pay his wages ?
He gives his charity to HIS people .Noone else benefits .
He don`t care about us so why should we care about him ? ,for all to see .

big cockeral

I think you are being unfair on Ade. Maybe he does not care about anyone but his pockets but i don't get that impression. If he does pay a lot of his money to charity that proves he does care. He was injured and then suspended for a stupid challenge, so he has not played much. But i look forward to seeing his quality at Everton because we are going to need him to push on, especially without Bale.

asherthesmasher

BC, i would think his people need his help more than us fans in England, who have to pay £50 to watch are team play, yet most of us could pay that if we wanted to. We are lucky the lucky ones.

asherthesmasher

I actually agree with Adebayor ...
Charity starts at home ..
So England should do the same

big cockeral

Sorry BC what's wrong with giving charity to 1 of the most impoverished nations in the world? More important things in life than football though. You seem to be equating donating money to the poor, with being cared for by a footballer!

Guyver

Anyone with access to Fox Soccer in North America: They are about to start a replay of today's match vs. Fulham.

Total knobhead

Missed the first half as I was playing football, got in and watched us collect the 3 points. Really happy for Sandro getting a goal even if the GK made a complete hash of it. Top marks to Defoe, I really can't knock him today! Just listened to AVBs interview on BBC, what a difference it is listening to a guy who answers a question then makes the effort to big up his players. Lennon is doing a grand job going forward and defending. And to top off a great week, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Brom all lose and Everton hold City. A massive well done to all the squad and AVB

yiddyboy

Guyver not our problem .What if the shoe was on the other foot ?

big cockeral

You're right BC, people in Togo being poor it isnt your problem, your problem is that footballers don't care about you... I get that "What f the shoe was on the other foot?" Not entirely sure what that means, but regardless of who's wearing what shoes, it's always good to see the rich donating to those in need. Equating people who can afford to spend £50 to watch a game of football, to people who don't know where their next meal is coming from, doesnt make sense to me.

Guyver

Great result.Good team performance and a clean sheet too!!! Yeah.Any news on Bale?

wentworth

News that Bale will be out for about 2 weeks...

TopSpur13

Another good result, full credit to AVB and the players perhaps he and they are beginning to get it right at last, other results also did us a right turn.

Frank

News that Bale will be out for about 2 weeks...

TopSpur13

Guyver Like i said " if the shoe was on the other foot "

big cockeral

BC I know you are trying to turn a simple "rich donates to poor" discussion, into a race, nationality issue, but you have to understand, not everyone see's the world in black and white, or by country borderlines. Ade is donating to his home country that happens to be 1 of the poorest nations in the world. Nothing more needs to be said. Spanish players are less likely to donate money to Spanish people as Spain isnt in the same desperate situation as Togo. Would have though that was obvious.

Guyver

Guyver So it`s OK to be racist when it suits you ?

big cockeral

didn't see it today!!! but good result (results!)...will have to do my scouting on MOTD! It seems that the players are playing for AVB and that is huge, so well done AVB.

shedboy2

I honestly couldn't care less if ade donates money to charity or not...I had the impression that some of the other players look to him to put pressure on his FA to pay them as he is the most high profile. if he refuses to play fior his country all the better for us...

shedboy2

Projecting much BC? Your obsession with race (a man made construct) is worrying. You manage to somehow turn every subject into a "race" issue on a football forum. Wonder why..

Guyver

Guyver there you go ,thank you ,enough said .

big cockeral

Naughtons gotta go!

01tottenham

your welcome ;)

Guyver

Wasn`t a compliment you ***** loving cock sucker

big cockeral

What a result, shame about Daw's & Bale's injuries, but those 2 sour notes apart what a great result esp with Chelski & Le Goons BOTH losing. Welldone to ALL at the Club & all those lucky enough to travel. IAVBIT COYS

True Spurs Supporter

you don't say, guess you couldnt read the sarcasm bigot C. I like how you intentionally put those suggestive stars there. How very clever of you.

Guyver

big cockeral Yeah true mate, we should be shouting it from the rooftops, especially as those of us who are on here now are the ones who kept faith with AVB by supporting and backing him all the way. Funny how when things go our way all the nay sayers evaporate like so much spilled water in the bright hot sun. Long may it continue. VIVA LA REVOLUTION VIVA AVB.

chrishove123

TSS yeah it is a shame about the injuries, BUT there is a silver lining, we showed that even with them out of the game we still held on for a clean sheet. Last season if Bale had gone out as well as Daws I think the collapse would have been on. Like I have said in an earlier topic AVB had to win over the rest of the squad that was left to rot by hr and he seems to have done it, now we shake off the rustiness of the other players and we get better as a squad.

chrishove123

Has anyone else heard anything about the possibility of Gomes and Cudiccini going out on loan to championship teams, possibly with a permanent move in the offing. I hope wioth gomes it's just a way to get him back into playing regular first team football so he can come back and challenge for the first team again. It would be amazing to have Lloris and Gomes both pushing each other and at the top of their games. Two world top class 'keepers in one team.

chrishove123

All quiet and content on Vital Spurs tonight - we must be doing something right!! Chris, I think AVB could get Gomes back his confidence and get him back to his best. Like he has done with Defoe. Players like that just need to know they are 'the man' and then they perform. As you say, would love to see Lloris and Gomes fighting it out next season. We will need someone to challenge Lloris when Friedal and Cudicini hang up their gloves at the end of this season.

StillRickyVilla

A truly pathetic human being....

asherthesmasher

Nice to see Modric not in the starting line-up for the Madrid derby. The bloke is a reserve over there!

StillRickyVilla

ive had faith in AVB from the start. he has a plan. I think he has the same characteristics as Jose Mourinho. Levy will i think give him the time to show what he's got.
AVB has been showing signs of brilliance, if he had the full squad at his disposal i believe we would be a hell of a lot stronger.

Not having PARKER, BAE and KABOOM due to long-term injury.

And the "LIMITED" times that ADE and Dembele have been available.

I think the boy AVB is doing a great job at the moment with what has to pick from.

the more i see it. If we had Parker and BAE and KABOOM fit.. We would have a starting 11 looking like this.

..............Adebayor...............Defoe....................

...Bale....................Dembele................Lennon...

.................Parker..................Sandro.................

...BAE.......Verts/Caulk........Kaboom.......Walker...

still need LEVY to open his cheque book and buy WILLIAN, ALEXIS SANCHEZ. INCE JNR, GOTZE OR MOUTINHO

Yidmarks

Chrishove123, agree mate. I've always been a big fan of Gomes, he can be erratic but that's him. He won us the games against AC Milan IMO. StillRickyVilla, lol, all quiet and where the hell is Raging? I'm also intrigued to hear what *****e that ginger pr1ck on TalkSport is going to come up with!

yiddyboy

Yep, Gomes also won us the Arsenal match near the end of the CL qualifying year - truly unbelievable saves. I hate Durham with a passion, much prefer Hawksby and Jacobs around lunchtime.

StillRickyVilla

That's one too many in your line-up Yidmarks. I fancy Dembele to stay in central midfield and Parker and Sandro battle it out for the other spot.

asherthesmasher

SRV- I doubt there is many who would have a good word to say about Durham. His job is to stirr things up.

asherthesmasher

I'm hoping we can hang on to our top 4 spot until January. After that, it's up to Levy to bring in great players. We need a winger and a playmaker at the minimum. Pick a winger from plausible to impossible: Ince, Mertens, Belhanda, Remy, Isco, Munaian, Alexis Sanchez, or James Rodriguez. Pick a playmaker from plausible to impossible: Eriksen, Kovacic, Benat, Pjanic, Sahin, Douglas Costa, Ganso, Willian, or Moutinho. Another forward would be nice in the form of Llorente, Damiao, or Benteke, but that's just wishful thinking. Bonus signings in the form of Kaka, Affellay, or M'Villa would just be not useful. It's all in Levy's hands, he either delivers or we sink.

dcruzer

According to ITK source close to the players.. they like AVB and are playing for him.. hence our wins.. COYS

Block D Spurs

Block D, at the end of the day, AVB just comes across as a really nice bloke who really knows his stuff and is highly, highly motivated to do well for us and build something special. He inherited an incredibly difficult situation from a fan favourite in Harry, losing our best players and then all the injuries and the media labelling him a failure after what happened at Chelsea (where it has since been proven to be the impossible job). We just need to get behind him and give him and the players a chance of at least 2 seasons and stop the knee-jerk reactions to defeats. Its was always going to be and will still be a bumpy ride!

StillRickyVilla

SRV.. I was happy AVB was appointed, and agree with u. It is just that some on here find the loss of certain games hard to accept, i understand that. We all need to pull together, and support our club, as fans here in UK and around the world, we have been doing for many years...

Block D Spurs

I think the firing of di matteo will ease quite a bit of pressure off avb too

Guernman

Super results today, really good to see Gilfy and Dempsey get assists, if those two can get build some confidence they should come alive.

On the Ade money to charity debate personally he has gone up in my estimation for donating so much of his salary. There is no way Big C you can say he is robbing off of Spurs fans, if he chose to spend his money on hookers and bling we'd still pay him the same, instead he gives it to the needy. Respect. If I was you I would also reframe for getting into a race argument, you are starting to look more and more like a distant relative of John Terry.

T.H.F.Chris

wow, just listened to AVB post match interview, how great to hear him proactively praise lennon, nice touch. I think harry could learn a tremendous amount about man management from AVB

Guernman

Yidmarks has a truly winning lineup:

..............Adebayor...............Defoe.................... ...Bale....................Dembele................Lennon... .................Parker..................Sandro................. ...BAE.......Verts/Caulk........Kaboom.......Walker...

which with a GK is 12 men on the pitch.

Total knobhead

AVB's Porto were Efficient, we are becoming this type of team. We may not again achieve the free flowing football of Harry's era, but that's not a bad thing, because its not possible to play like that for 9 months.

Tactically Challenge

Update : Adebayor pulls out of African cup of Nations

sydqcb5

Big C, you have to consider the others playing for Togo as well. They are also not paid and I assume they do not earn much either. I got the following from Daily Mail:

'In our FA everyone thinks about their own pockets. Some players have not received their money, some have received half of it. 'Players come to me to ask about their money. It is a shame. - Adebayor

taniban

I agree TC, there are too many similarities to his Porto... Defoe/falcao not necessarily the same type of players but both not your usual lone front men and clinical finishers, I would be surprised if Defoe doesn't score a bag full more come the end of the season. Bale/hulk both star wingers beating players, switching wings and cutting inside... Dembele/moutiniho controlling play and direct dribbling. To conclude... I really like this!

Dynamite Boots

Dynamite Boots, my sentiments exactly!

Tactically Challenge

That Dempsey pass was so sweet. Absolutely inch perfect for Defoe to hit it first time. If Dempsey plays out on the left and can deliver crosses and passes with that sort of accuracy on a regular basis, we won't really miss Bale. AVB I'm sure will compensate for the loss of bales speed somehow.

chrishove123

isnt it just great to have the way we did yesterday and not concede a goal, i watched the game and although it was not free flowing like it was under Harry, we are grinding out results and we look more of a collective unit. was walker injured yesterday or did AVB just rotate, the man loves the players and has nothing but praise for them which is ******** great, next 3 games r very winnable, lets get another 9 points, we would be well place at christmas, it would be a dream position. Good to hear ADE is not leaving us aswell, although this may mean that mr L will be usual tight self in january.

Yidd Fein

*won the way we did

Yidd Fein

YIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD ARMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYY WELLLLLL SING WHAT WE WAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTT COYMFY

Yidd Fein

AVB seems to be winning them/us over.not to many people calling for him to be sacked now.just wish some of the doom merchants would eat a bit of humble pie and admit they were wrong not to give our manager time.....seems like ADE will be around after all and with parker et al on the mend,by February we should realistically be pushing for 3rd.the question is: will levy buy any new players in january?'do we need them?we're fourth with all the injuries and the team still trying to gel etc'. is this what levy is now thinking?.........good to see dempsey and siggy making a telling contribution,love when some of our players who've had a hard time do well.......with the our nearest and dearest rivals wobbling like 2 fat birds in a food fight,we have perfect opportunity to cement a top 4 spot.clinical performance against fulham,not pretty but assured.COYS!

g. roberts testes

*cementing 3rd

g. roberts testes

Couldn't have had a better couple of weeks. All out league position rivals are dropping points while we are gaining. Nice to see Siggy pick it up too. I've been saying all season about how he needs to line up on the left of a front 3 (which is where he played for Reading, Hoffenheim and Swansea) and when he finally does - he switches on. Well handled by AVB too - all in all, fantastic weekend!

dave the yid

I love it when the Blind Faith Brigade complain about knee jerk reactions to defeat and then wet themselves when we beat mediocre teams. Don't get me wrong, I have high hopes for AVB in the long term - he seems smart enough to learn from his mistakes but let's have a bit of balance. In any other year the big spenders would be out of sight by now but we are where we should be given the great squad we have. It is the least we should expect. The step up to the next level will be his challenge.

Love totty

Possibly the most impressive thing about us at the moment is the way AVB seems to have created a team that is stronger as a unit than the sum of it's individual parts. This is a real skill and one that he deserves an awful lot of credit for. Failure to back him in the January window would be a massive error of judgement and one that could cost us millions (much like it did last January) in lost revenue. Hopefully Levy will have learnt from his cowardice in the last January window, what more must AVB do to persuade the moneymen that he could produce something special with some 'To Dare is To Do' spirit in the market.

thfc1882whl

you're on the money, thfc1882. To dare is to do Levy boy.

noone

I'm not sure if I'm one of the doom merchants but I certainly had reservations over the appointment of AVB. His handling of Lloris and some other players initially looked like he was losing the dressing room. He's fixed that situation and as I've said all along having them play for him is crucial so well done, he looks as though he's on the up and will get the time....thats all good but he's still a punt, one that may pay off but a punt none the less....and as someone asked for a negative spin I'll give you one....managers last an average of 14mths before they are either fired or head-hunted so even if AVB is the next messiah we'll lose him at the end of next season to a higher paying club....just like Porto did....;)

shedboy2

Blind Faith Brigade!! That's the brigade that has seen AVB squander millions after millions on players, season after season....... Pretty sad how some so called fans would love to see AVB fail to prove their petty point, luckily the team and most of the fans are uniting for the cause. Hopefully, as thfc1882 said Levy will back him with the players that will help as push for top 3/4, forward, winger and creative midfielder. Won't hold my breath. COYS.

ItalianYiddo

shedboy2... You may well be right mate but if AVB is given free rein to create a dynasty at the club then why shouldn't he become our Fergie or Wenger? Don't forget that we've shown faith in him where everyone else had him written off as a Premiership manager. Just because the last bloke flirted with all and sundry, it doesn't mean that AVB has the same mentality. I realise that you're only playing Devils Advocate and you are asking a very valid question, this is why AVB must be backed in the market. What better way to make him feel wanted than the financial muscle to go out and select his own players.

thfc1882whl

Interesting about Adebayor. Can't find much online yet but there was this quote. “Togo international and captain of the Sparrow Hawks Emmanuel Sheyi Adebayor hereby brings to the notice of the general public that he is suspending his international career with Togo team,” the player said in a statement released by his public relations officer Amedodji Blaise in Lome." Apparently the statement was only made yesterday

By doing it this way Togo can't stop him playing for us. I know these things are reversible but you have to admit he's looking after Spurs interests by stepping down from international football.

muttley

Oh and don't worry shedboy2, I don't recall too many people on here calling for AVB to be our manager when the hunt was on. Doesn't make you a doom merchant mate.

thfc1882whl

muttley..... Adebayor only ever does things for the good of Adebayor, I'm not even convinced that his 'Lot of good work for Chariddy' isn't just a way of reducing his tax bill. The bloke is probably more worried about his place in the pecking order than he is about THFC. Personally, I think that the writing was on the wall when he couldn't even be bothered to retain a decent level of fitness during the close season. He knew a move was imminent and that he wasn't going to get a pre season with us, because he wanted to wring every penny he could from City, still he couldn't be bothered about fitness. Probably thought he'd just stroll into the team no matter what. Sorry but for me he has to do an awful lot more than hold his nation to ransom for the almighty dollar before I'll start to believe that he has anyones interests other than his own at the forefront of his mind. Cynical I know, fair given his track record? Maybe.

thfc1882whl

Cynical I would say, if the money is going to help poor children in Togo I'm all for reducing his tax bill.

ItalianYiddo

It is one thing to spend mega money on fees and wages to create a top 4 team and quite another to successfully attract top class talent without such guarantees. The challenge then is to find players willing to take the risk who are clearly better than those we have and who will not disrupt the team spirit already developing. That will not be as easy as some obviously think and was seen in the summer when "targets" melted away. A strong run in to the window is absolutely essential now.

Love totty

thfc - but we mostly all love Scotty Parker? That guy left Charlton and run to the money at Chelsea. He then run to the money again at Newcastle. Nowadays, he's on a long contract and big wages at our place and once again run to the money. Of course, it would be sacrilege if I dared to put him in the same bracket as Adebayor. Since being a lily-white, I just don't see what exactly Ade has done that is too bad. He played well last season and turned up unfit this season after a long negotiation with City. That could also have easily been injury induced of course. He apologised for the tackle against Arsenal and is now protecting his international colleagues by doing a Gary Neville and taking on the Togo FA. If his name wasn't Adebayor, we'd probably all be praising him for his stance. I think we read too much into what the press writes. Whenever I've seen him live on TV he comes across very well. I'll judge him on what he does on the pitch for us.

muttley

As for the charity thing, we all have that option in this country. It's standard part of PAYE and you'll find it on any tax return. I hope you don't think I'm a bad person for doing the same. It's not material in my case but surely the intent is the same?

muttley

some of the Le goons want Wenger out! LOL

SilwalYid

thfc1882whl- you're right I was playing devil's advocate...but if you look at it Porto gave him a great chance, he excelled and achieved but still went to Chelsea for the money....Fergie staying at the biggest club in the world is not a shock, Wenger has been courted in the past but Arse do pay him a significant wage for his loyalty....but let's hope that AVB is a success and can build a team and is backed to do so and remains loyal....otherwise we'll just have to go and sign Jose...;)

shedboy2

As for Ade...if he stays and is available for us, all the better...As for his tax affairs it's not really anything to do with us as long as it's legal..I mean why should he pay less tax in this country just because he gives to charity in another? imo it should only be tax deductable if the charity operates in the same zone as the income is raised....otherwise you're just taking out of a system...but that debate wil spiral well out of the footy sphere....

shedboy2

This business of Bale being in danger of a booking whenever a defender is late and catches him, is becoming a real problem.
Match of the Day proved that, as on Wednesday, the referee made a mistake. Both cards should be rescinded. There is a world of difference between errors by officials and blatant diving, even from a standing start, by the likes of Suarez. The negative comments seem to come from blindly biased Liverpool supporters, or vindictive jealous followers of various London clubs.
It's about time the club stood by him and asked for these two decisions to be reviewed. Video evidence clearly shows that on both occasions, he was moving at speed and tripped by an opponent.
He could easily missing vital games through suspension, risking valuable points.

Hotspur 1882

On Ade first, i for one support his stance, his in a position to be able to do this, most of us are not, put into your own work place and consider your due that bonus, your boss has been paid, but his refusing to pay your bonus £££, how would you or i feel, most likely the first words would be ''stick your job up your arse'' so can you blame him? Anyway it's good news for us he won't be missing if he stands by it from jan to feb next year. One who will be missing over the next few games, two weeks quoted is Gareth Bale, a big big loss to us but we have to cope and cope we will, Dawson's injury looks like being less time out, we have Pana'kos, who we should beat anyway, we have the players to do the job and we are at home. Bit's of news coming around, we are interested in Ajax's Christian Eriksen, his a class act and would be a great signing @ 20yrs old. Another forward in January, because you have to think, if anything happens to defoe, who is on fire, that would hurt even more.

spu 4 life

It's all shaping up nicely, AVB has the lads playing good football and working hard, but the squad still needs strengthening and AVB must be now given the support of the THFC board in the transfer market if he is going to take the club up from top 4 challengers into genuine title contenders! I recall Frank saying exactly this a year back, when Harry had the lads playing very well... The clubs best players must now be seen as vital ingredients to on the pitch success, instead of products to be sold on to make vast profits for the THFC owner Joe Lewis over there in the Bahamas. Buy to sale, or buy to win? Over to you, yet again ENIC...

pelebro

SilwalYid - On that other lot, they consider being in the champions league every season a trophy, the board are happy, the boss is happy, the fans always mention it, but over the last how ever many seasons look at who they have sold, had they kept those players they could have won the prem, but now the what's it has started to hit the fan and fans a like, i buy a euro lottery ticket, so can i be classed as being in europe every week? problem is like them, i win phuck all.

spu 4 life

Hotspur 1882, agree on Bale! The guy gets the ***** kicked out of him week in, week out and then gets booked for diving when when tripped twice in a week. Alan Hanson didn't help when he called Bale theatrical? I thought being theatrical meant rolling around on the floor faking injury with the intent to get his opponent sent off, like that nasty piece of work Suarez does. The Premier League should be protecting the Leagues highly entertaining players like Bale, not punishing them!

pelebro

in the last two seasons we've made a net profit of £33m and got a lot of high earners of the wage bill in transfer dealings. We have needed to do this but spending or not spending in January will be the difference between 3rd and 4-6th.

AVB has done well so far, his real test though will be who brings in and where he feels we need improvement. Harry's buys were so depressing, I hope AVB just goes for one BIG name.

T.H.F.Chris

there is really no justification to say that AVB followed the money, he had achieved all there was to at porto and in such dramatic style, it is far far more likely that he moved so as to have the opportunity to compete and prove himself in a much better league, the most competitive league anywhere. money will never be a problem for him and his passion suggests that the money would never be a primary factor in moving. he has the perfect fit with spurs and I think that he would want to be here for the long term, the greatest impediment to that is the spurs fans themselves not giving him the time to prove his methods. as for adebayor, I am amazed at some of the attitudes towards him and his charity work etc. he has actually only been a positive influence while being here and generally reacts slightly better to being dropped than defoe does. He is perfectly entitled to put his own situation above the clubs when negotiating over the summer and no player is fit enough without the benefit of an organised pre-season. as for the togo situation, he is clearly acting on behalf of a lot of teammates who certainly don't have his success, money and power in this situation. he is not putting spurs above country though, which is fair enough, so this could quickly reverse if the togo FA back down. whether it saves him tax or not, this is still a man who gives a hell of a lot of money away to people who really need it

Guernman

Yidmarks, brilliant team, take it they are playing 'rush' keeper!!! LOL

Have to admit I was pleased to get AVB as manager, then with a few boring / no passion games (team learning tactics etc) I was starting to feel disappointed.

Then having seen all three games live this week I have all my optimism back.. Really looking forward (again ) to the reign of AVB ..

ro6ertj

Agreed Guernman - Surely if AVB follows the money, he would not be Spurs manager? Because no way would he have given up the ridiculous oodles of money that Chelsea were paying him in compensation to top up his tan and stay out of football? Instead, he took a job where he knew he would be judged harshly because of (a) his spell at Chelsea (b) the fact whoever followed Harry would struggle to win over a portion of the crowd and (c) there was a rebuilding to be done with an oversize squad in certain areas and shortfalls in others, along with 3 key men possibly leaving - 2 certainly (Luka and Ledley) and one rumoured all summer (Rafa). If he was following the money, he would have kept picking up his tab from Chelsea until a cushier option came along surely? I think he is here coz he loves football and loves a challenge

maxfield123

Haha Big C calling Adebayor racist is the most outrageous and ironic comment ever posted

HuddersfieldYiddo

Lovetotty - you need to reign in your own expectations. The Premier League is what it is. A league dominated by the financial might of Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea. Ok so Chelsea have temporarily shot themselves in the foot, but there is nothing that AVB, Mourinho or Jesus Christ himself could do for us to upset the status quo given the current financial limitations with ENIC. The 'best of the rest' is the best we can hope for in the league and then go all out to win the trophies we enter for. Whilst building the club over the long-term with a young talented manager and hopefully the new stadium. If your never happy with AVB until he's got us challenging Man U and Man City for the title on a fraction of their budget you are never going to be happy with him mate. We are doing well, the club is going in the right direction. Lets hope we can bring a trophy back to the Lane this season and finish in the CL placings so we can have a CL adventure next season.

StillRickyVilla

The Premier League as a competitive competition is dead. Not even Arsenal can compete and they have a 60,000 stadium and year on year CL football. How do you expect us to compete?! As much as it pains me to say it, with ENIC as owners we will NEVER win the league - regardless of whether the manager is AVB, Guardiola or Mourinho - we need to be realistic! The only way we can win the league is new billionnaire owners who want to win by properly investing in transfer fees and wages. And when i mean properly investing i mean Man City style, £500m+ (not cut-price deadline day deals for guys like Dempsey). But it is what it is. I'd rather enjoy the long-term journey we are on with AVB who appears passionate and motivated to succeed, enjoy the matches, the Euro tours and hopefully pick up some trophies along the way.

StillRickyVilla

SRV, AVB has said he believe's he can win the league with us some day. I agree with you that winning the premiership shouldnt be an expectation, but it is still a possibility, even if highly unlikely.

Guyver

Guyver, i agree. There is ONE possibility where we can win the league with ENIC in charge. It is to appoint a young, talented manager on a 3-5 year plan, put in place a state of art training facility, appoint a DoF to over-see the best scouting network for global young talent and to get the whole club through youth, u21's to 1st team playing with the same philosophy and tactics. Difficult but it IS possible if we can for once get away from the knee-jerk short-term reactions and focus on the long-term plan.

StillRickyVilla

SVR, yea a lot of things have to fall into place for us to even stand a chance, no margin for error, from transfers, to squad management. I had been very sceptical when AVB was appointed, though was happy to give him every chance before being critical. So far he hasnt given much reason for anyone to worry, in fact, i'd say he has up to this point, exceeded expectations when you consider what he has had to overcome. I would have expected us to be a little closer to Arsenal's position by this stage of the season. Hopefully we continue to show progress and people arent too "knee-jerk" on the occasional bad run which will happen from time to time.

Guyver

yep HuddersfieldYiddo, Bigot C is clearly racist. He believes race/nationality is the most important criteria to go on, when deciding whether to donate money or not. He also think's he's clever by manually censoring the word black, by calling me a black loving cock sucker. A tactic he has used in the past. Pathetic individual.

Guyver

We're never gonna win the league without a new stadium and the revenue it will bring. If Arsenal actually spent some money they would be right up there due to their infrustructure. Hopefully AVB can progress the team in the next 2 to 3 years while that gets built.

HuddersfieldYiddo

Nice picture on BBC Sport of HR with his arms raised at yesterdays game with Villa and in the background clearly sitting on the bench is 'out of favour' Darrent Bent. He would be a perfect loan for QPR if they're not going to spend in Jan, but maybe HR burned his bridges there...the moral is, being careful what you say ;-)

mountainyid

HuddersfieldYiddo- the new stadium won't propel us to the heights of Chelsea, City and manu even with FFP in force....especially if the stadium isn't full....Arse have done a fantastic job....right up to about 3 years ago when they should have started competing for the best talent. As it stands now I know of a large group of Arse supporters who are seriously considering not re-newing season tickets next year....with the change of demagraphics Boards need to realise that fans will not keep coming if the club as a whole are not trying their best to compete...ENIC take note.

shedboy2

shedboy2 I don't think Ade has a dog.

chrishove123

SRV - Even the hyper-financed clubs have their problems as it is difficult to keep such big squads happy. True, the money guarantees contention but as you say it is not impossible to mount a challenge with the right structure in place. Finding and development talent is one thing but the real key is player retention. The bigger clubs will always have an advantage in this, that's not new, but the hope is that FFP rules will narrow the yawning gap that has been created by the so called Champions League which is the incentive for billionaires to have clubs as vanity possessions. I feel so strongly against this that I do want my club to go that way. I am more than happy just to take pleasure in every game we play good football in than to obsess about winning a trophy like that. If we are then successful the taste will be even sweeter.

Love totty

Love totty Good grief, some of you are never satisfied, are you? When we beat wet spam there were people on here sayong"OH they're a second rate team we shoul;d have beaten them, the real test will be against Liverpool.". Now we have beaten liverpool and fullham to make it three on the trot people like YOU come on here saying FUllham are second rate and then move the goalposts saying Oh his real test will be in the Jan window. NO IT WON'T because it is down to LEVY whether AVB gets his targets or nor and if he doesn't then he isn't to blame. All you seem to want is to see obstacles in the way and rejoice in their placement. WHy can't you just shut up with the negativity and bask in the warm glow of success and accept that we are what we are and jump on the ride to enjoy it instead of criticising it at every possible turn???

chrishove123

...and remember, only one team can win the league, being rich will be no guarantee if every club has a sugardaddy.

Love totty

shedboy2 AVB isn't HR. I think that because we as a club have shown faith in him he will show loyalty to thye club. It is also the place of the fans to support him as well because without that support the team will feel that they are not getting the full support THEY deserve as well. It is all to do with the way AVB is building this club back up. He seems to be doing things the Fergie way. Make EVERYONE from the floor cleaner and tea lady know that they are as important as the top payed player, that way everyone is happy and pulls as a single unit with everyone feeling safe and knowing they have the support and fall back to be able to rely on when things go a bit awry and they also know that if they screw up once in a while they won't be disgarded and left to rot on the training field. LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION, LONG LIVE AVB.

chrishove123

Chris - dry your eyes, mate. It's a forum.

Love totty

Lt it's not a case of dry my eyes. it is more a case of open YOUR eyes.

chrishove123

Ah Big C. You opened yourself up to some serious counterpunches. Ouch. Time to mop up, mate.

Total knobhead

Or the racist abuse shown towards Black Star Spurs last month that i'l never let him off for, he's an absolute See you next Tuesday

HuddersfieldYiddo

Or his defence of the EDL just 3 days ago...

HuddersfieldYiddo

Chris - I don't classify you as one of the Blind Faith Brigade for nothing. You'd have to be blind to not recognise that our squad is the best of the rest if I can put it that way. So it follows that AVB is currently fulfilling that expectation and I applaud him for it but he will expect to achieve more than that so why shouldn't we?

Love totty

L t I'm not saying that we shouldn't expect more, what i am sayionfg is that there are a lot of people on here, one of which seems to be yourself, who have got expectations of an unrealistically quick turn around. I and not one of the blind faith brigade I am one of the get behind the team and the squad whatever the circumstances brigade. It is called supporting a team.

chrishove123

Chris - What's unrealistic about the 4th best squad getting 4th spot? I'll be bloody annoyed if the team I passionately support are let down by poor management as they were last year. That's not negative. Negativity is making excuses for not getting the best of what's available. After some dodgy team set-ups and subs I am now more confident that we're on track. I don't knee jerk to every single game and have said from day one that it would be Xmas before any real judgement could be made. Holier than thou attitudes like yours cut no ice with me.

Love totty

Lt as I said it5's not the end result it is the speed in which these expectations are required to be fulfilled by some people on here. I don't EXPECT 4th like you do, I EXPECT the AVB and the squad to do the best they can, IF that gives us fourth or above then brilliant, if not then I won't be jumping on anyone's back and demanding a new manager because i realise that we are still a work in progress and it will take at least a season or so to get the squad firing on all cylinders regardless of major transfers in or not. This isn't a holier than thou attitude, this is a very realistic attitude. From day one I have supported AVB as I could see past all the media lies and bull$hit and saw the youngest manager in the Prem who has a lot of ideas to be implemented and he is hungry and fresh. We ARE going to have a bumpy ride for a couple of seasons but when it comes it will come so bloody good that it'll be unbelievable. It's not blind faith that makes me say this mate, it is VISION.

chrishove123

1882.... Ade did not diddle Citeh outta anything. it was Citeh that tried to put pressure for him to move without paying him his full bonus entitlement that he was contractually obliged to receive.... it seems that any player that holds out for his contractual rights is greedy, whereas a club that tries to bully players outta entitlements they agreed to at contract-signing, is hard done by.

Viyyash-Ramosh

It's blind optimism, Chris, because you don't know AVB from Adam. Neither do I, and can therefore only judge results. I don't expect 4th as a given, but I expect to be challenging strongly for 4th based on my assessment (and others whose opinion I value) of relative squad strengths. Allow me my opinion matey and stop confusing critique with criticism.

Love totty

V-R..... My point wasn't really about the money mate, more about his lack of professionalism when it came to keeping himself fit.

thfc1882whl

chrishove123- I like what you did there - a dog for x-mas on Ade's list then....

shedboy2

L t It's not blind faith, it's going on what other players and people have said about him pre chelski days. It's about how he ran Porto, there are/ were4 a lot of factors that were taken into acccdount before I decided that I thought he was the man for the job, and when he took over I think my feelings were confirmed by the way the players reacted to him and all the positive stuff that was coming out of the club. I ignored or passed off all the media (rap as just that media inspired (RAP. once again proven right. I didn't just look at him think, love his suit and designer stubble, he's the man for me to follow. I actually did a bit of research and reading abut what people though of him as a manager AND a person. J D has just said what a great bloke AVB is. So it seems that what I felt about him from day one here due to what I took the time to find out about him is proving right isn't it. ............................... See Lt, no blind faith involved, just a bit of modern technology combined with a modicum of intelligence, and a bit of time.

chrishove123

Cheers shedboy2, any ideas what sort of dog he should have. HA HA

chrishove123

Crikey Chris, you've morphed into David Icke. LOL

Love totty

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