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Life without Bale?

There is never a good time to lose one of your best players, but perhaps losing Gareth Bale for only two games might not be the end of the world.

Losing any key player is unquestionably a big loss, and we could perhaps compare Spurs losing Bale with United losing Van Persie or Chelsea losing John Terry, such is his quality and influence on the teams balance and performance. How the team cope without such players can often be the difference between success and failure and as Spurs have already found to their cost, losing a vital cog in their team can prove costly after we suffered with the loss of perhaps our other irreplaceable player in Mousa Dembele.

Missing Bale for a couple of weeks and potentially only one Premiership game shouldn't be seen as a negative and might even make us more compact and harder to beat at Goodison next weekend, whilst you would hope we have enough quality to overcome Panathinaikos. AVB may of course surprise us all in selecting our nearest like for like player in picking Andros Townsend on the left, but all logic tells me that we will see either Clint Dempsey or Gylfi Sigurdsson start on the left side, but their liking for moving inside might bolster our central areas and actually make us more solid even if it is slightly to the take something away from our attacking qualities. Everton away is perhaps one of the ideal games to be more solid, I would suggest.

With no Bale, it does give a player that would always expect to start an unexpected rest, and with a busy Christmas schedule approaching, that could easily be considered to be a good thing to keep everyone fresh. Add the return of Emmanuel Adebayor to the side and it allows AVB an easy option to rest Jermain Defoe and use both Dempsey and Sigurdsson deeper and Adebayor as the main striker and either play Ade and Defoe with one of the others wide or to start with Ade on the bench and retain both Clint and Gylfi against Everton. we are hardly down to the bare bones.

Perhaps we will see AVB look to someone like Iago Falque or Townsend against Panathinaikos and allow for example Dempsey and Lennon a games rest to keep them fresh for Everton, which to me is a far more important game and I would be quite happy to see some fresh legs on Sunday. What we don't want though is to see too many squad players on Thursday and end up getting knocked out of he Europa league, however rubbish the competition is. Would we be better to rest Sandro or continue to nurse Dembele over one of the attacking players and keep things as strong as we possibly can.

To be honest, the loss of Michael Dawson could actually be a bigger loss in some ways to that of Bale. Considering that we are talking about a player that has hardly kicked a ball for us in anger over one of our unquestioned superstars, it might seem a stupid statement, but is there a logic to starting with Jake Livermore or Tom Huddlestone in the centre of defence, as we only have three fit centre halves in Caulker, Gallas and Vertonghen? Of course one of those has predominantly played at left back and another struggles to play two games in a week, are we taking a big risk in playing all or at least two of them on Thursday? Could there be a sense in picking Walker, Caulker/Gallas, Hudd/Livermore and Naughton? It seems rather cautious or at risk of drastically weakening our side, but would it be strong enough to overcome the Greeks, whilst saving key players for a vital game at Everton?..




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday December 4 2012

Time: 9:35AM

Your Comments

Bale is a superstar and often our go to man but with him missing it will give others a chance to shine - Dempsey/Siggy. As an outside shot I thought Defoe looked really well coming off the left against Chelsea, probably won't start there but could be a good 60 minute switch with Ade playing as the focal point upfront.
T.H.F.Chris
really wouldn't be happy with hudd or livermore at centre half, that causes more problem than it solves. Naughton will have to come in so Verts can play there. As for Bale, I'd like to see Falque or Townsend out there but we will probably play safe and use Dempsey there with Ade or Siggy in the middle
jimmy-yid
look on brightside ox, he will have a rest just before the xmas period!
E17YID
I would like to see Ade & Defoe start with Dempsey & Lennon. My XI would be - Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Gallas, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Dempsey, Lennon, Adebayor , Defoe.

Fact remains Bale is our second top scorer. If we want to draw or win games, we need goals in the team. Unless we play Ade & Defoe together I fail to see where the goals would come from. The system worked against Arsenal for most part. We would need to put the faith on Dempsey and ask Ade to play in No10 role. Also in middle of the park his presence would be a advantage to Defoe.
sydqcb5
Freidel, Walker, Caulker, Vertonghen, Naugton, Livermore, Huddlestone, Carroll, Siigurdson ,Adebayor, Townsend. Big guns on the bench if needed with Scotty and BAE if fit for a little run out at the end.
Love totty
I miss BAE! :( Verts has been great as left back but we need as CB asap!
gothic spur
Yep defo agree with Ade & Defoe with Dempsey in his favoured left position
mattspurs1982
the fact that we are playing the Europa game at home is a clear bonus with Sundays game in mind. Though playing 90 mins is taxing for a player when he has to do the same again a few days later, the risk of injury isnt that much greater as there is just as much chance of getting hurt in a training session as there is playing a match
oxfordspur
@Love totty - Interesting team there, in a 4-3-3 set up I assume. I'd like to see something like this on Thursday as well. Poor old Jan, he seems to play every game, I wonder if Ledley is keen for a quick cameo :)
thenuge
AVB WILL NOT play all 3 forwards in the squad at once, it would be tempting fate... Dempsey will rest up now and Ade will step in. Siggy did enough on Satday I think to convince AVB to start him at LM in Bale's absence.... I think Ade's return more than compensates for Bale's loss.. gonna be a great December (at the very least)..
Viyyash-Ramosh
We are making a big assumption that Bale will be back after just missing two matches. As much as I want that to be the case, I wouldn't be surprised if he only plays half the match when returning just to monitor his progress. In deed would be a big miss, but I agree with others that it MUST give others a chance to win a place on the 1st team. IMO, many fringe players have let themslves down during all the opps given to them thus far. With the injured players returning, these fringe players ar likely to get even a lesser look in. So why the f*** don't they grab their rare chances with both hands?.

Bale's absence certainly gives AVB the chance to demonstrate that we are NOT just reliant upon ONE player. COYS!
Critical_Spur
I would take issue with your suggestion that losing Bale would affect our balance, unless you mean we may be more balanced without him. There is no doubt in my mind that Bale has a negative effect on our balance as a team, it's just that when he's on song his ability far outweighs the disruption in balance. Just witness him wandering and not producing to see how our balance is affected. I thought that we looked far more solid on Sunday once Bale had left the pitch, granted we lost that explosive 'game changing in an instant' ability but we did go on to score twice more without him. Now, that's not to say that Bale isn't important to us but I think we detract from the team as a whole when we get so nervous without him. Defoe would be a bigger loss to us than Bale, which is why I'm amazed when people suggest that he should make way for Adebayor. Ask yourselves this. Where would we be this season without Bale, and where would we be this season without Defoe? Only a mug would think that Bale would be the bigger miss so far.
thfc1882whl
Bale needs a rest from football. The diving, prima donna stuff needs to be cut out. We even getting reports about Barca or Real....its clear Bale is a superb player, but he needs to remind himself in some games he needs to keep up his defensive work- although his attacking forays means others should slip into the gap left by Bale.
T-spur5
We are making a big assumption that Bale will be back after just missing two matches. As much as I want that to be the case, I wouldn't be surprised if he only plays half the match when returning just to monitor his progress. In deed would be a big miss, but I agree with others that it MUST give others a chance to win a place on the 1st team. IMO, many fringe players have let themslves down during all the opps given to them thus far. With the injured players returning, these fringe players ar likely to get even a lesser look in. So why the f*** don't they grab their rare chances with both hands?.

Bale's absence certainly gives AVB the chance to demonstrate that we are NOT just reliant upon ONE player. COYS!
Critical_Spur
I'd like to see Siggy on the left in the absence of Bale. Parker and BAE are back in full training so Verts can go CB soon. Hopefully Kaboul is coming back soon (anyone got an update on him?). Bale will be be back before you know it Ade will be back soon. I'm not very confident about the Everton game, but things are looking up.
SPUDMAN
Chance for Dempsey and Sigurdsson to play in their best position. Ade behind Defoe, Dempsey/Sigurdsson wide left. Falque/Townsend to get another go at EL. I wouldn't be at all surpised if it all clicked together quite well. Gonna be interesting anyway.
LizardSpur
I'm in fact very confident about the Everton game... I think their players will begin to feel the pressure of being 'up there' now as expectations increase... I feel with Siggy cutting inside from LM will make the team more compact and thus more resilient defensively, but we have Ade back to give us an outball again and Ade-Defoe pairing seems to gel v.well.... I think we will win this one by 2 goal margin.
Viyyash-Ramosh
@thenuge - no particular formation -I just like them all to run around a bit. LOL. I'm sure AVB can deploy them better than me. I just think we need to rest the core players for Sunday and tis group should be more than enough to turn the Greeks over even they need a bit of help late on.
Love totty
I thought we coped admirably after he had gone off and the fact that we were still able to score and score TWICE must prove something is working. T-spur5 It has been ascertained that bale DIDN'T dive. It is just the way he goes down to catch the ref's eye that makes it LOOK like he has dived.
chrishove123
I think Dempsey should go out on the left as that is where he was great for Fulham.
chrishove123
A great piece of support from one Spurs legend David Ginola on a (hopefully) future Spurs Legend Gareth Bale. .......... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20587205
chrishove123
Against Fulham, I thought we scored twice after Bale went off because Fulham opened up after going a goal down and Senderos was left more exposed. Will be interest to see how we cope when Bale isnt playing from the start. Against West Ham, Bale was carrying the team at times in the 1st half.
Guyver
Sigurdsson will be his back again. he was best 2nd part of the season, including 7 goals for swansea and liverpoor goal for reading. My theory is that it was not cold enough for him...
SpursWho
Just enjoy life with Bale while we can. Could be only a few months or could be a few years. Champions league football is vital to spurs keeping him though. (Vital Spurs... ya get it :DDDDD)
TopSpur13
I think we'll miss Dawson for Everton game.He would cope well with the aerial threat Fellaini possesses.As for Bale,he would make any team in the world look better!ofcourse we'll miss him!!
SilwalYid
3 young players attack & kill a linesman in Holland ,damn whatever next .That`s sad
big cockeral
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11827/8308539/Fernando-Llorente-has-confirmed-he-intends-to-leave-Athletic-Bilbao-in-the-summer
what_sux
bc, I read that article, unbelievable and very sad for the family. He was officiating a match in which his own son was playing.
mountainyid
The greeks will come to WHL with nothing to lose. We play better football when we go all out attack. Thats got to be the way forward in this game.

Score some goals..

My starting X1 for the Greeks at WHL::


..............Adebayor.......Defoe..................
............................................................
..Siggy.....Dembele......Hudd.......Lennon..
...........................................................
..Naughts....Verts........Caulker.....Walker..

start with some big guns and trry and bang a few in...
Yidmarks
we dont want to go out of the EC on Thursday... make sure of that AVB...
Yidmarks
Looking at the weekend fixtures, we could be in for another great weekend if the Gods continue to smile upon us:
Ar5e vs W. Brom-draw
Sunderland vs Chelscum-draw or better yet Sund win
MU vs MC-draw
If we can win, and I know that's a big if and the results come in as above then we will be sitting very good in 3rd, 2 points ahead of Chelscum and W. Brom, 5 points off Citeh and 8 off Yanited.
Am i asking for my Christmas pressies too early????COYS
miamispur
Not sure if anyone from the US has seen this:
spuradic
http://www.youtube.com/embed/PvkmBfEGw9U
spuradic
quite a few players could do with this game..vs pan' Think naughton will need to play left back, unfortunatley. I'd like to see this team. Friedel,walker,caulker,vertonghen,naughton, livermore,huddlestone,carroll,townsend, siggurdsen,adebayor. subs; cudicini,fredericks,gallas, falque,dembele,defoe,mason. "come on you spurs"
82spursdebut
BAE needs to get back into the starting 11 asap. miss his flashy dribbling and wing play. he's one of the few players we have left who plays the Spurs way, Oppa Tottnam Style
dazzwater
I think Dempsey and Defoe will play, but the rest will be a hotch-potch of yoof and established.... expect to see Andy Townsend, Falque, maybe even the likes of Adam Smith and Ryan Fredericks.... if we not winning by 60mins the bigger guns will come on... I also expect Ade to get a 20min run-out in prep for Sunday
Viyyash-Ramosh
Is that AVB at PSG VS Porto?
what_sux
Looks like him, what's with the Hobbit ear?
Jantheman
Stadium news from a club source, once funding has been arranged (not done yet). There will then be a tender process lasting 12 months, followed by the normal cooling off period (3-6 months), finally followed by the build itself (3 years). Looks like we're a minimum of 5 years away from moving in and that's if the funding is found within the next 6 months. CL qualification is vital if funding is to be acquired, which in turn means investment in January is also vital. ENIC identified the need for a new stadium within months of taking over and it will be 16 years minimum before they deliver. Makes our transition seem light speed doesn't it! COYS
thfc1882whl
what_sux Definitely AVB I recognise the finger over the mouth gesture. LOL.
chrishove123
Time for Siggy and Deps to step up to the plate. I am sure they can pull it off as well.
chrishove123
woops Demps not deps. Anyone would think we have Johnny Depp in our sights. HA HA HA. silly tart. also maybe step up to the mark rather than the plate.
chrishove123
Good news on Parker - Parker played full 90 min for reserves in win over Ipswich XI winning 5-1. I dont think he will play on Thursday. I guess he will be given one more game in reserves , but its really good to see him back.

Already papers are linking him with QPR - I dont think we will sell him, Parker is exactly the kind of player who will suit AVBs style of play. He is better than Livermore and some one who could do the job of DMF equally good as Sandro. At his age, his experience is what we need. I am really happy he is back, hope he gets match fitness in a weeks time.
sydqcb5
Sorry but I have to gloat. Citeh with all their money and so called great players are out of Europe totally HA HA HA HA HA HA HA http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9721910/Borussia-Dortmund-1-Manchester-City-0-match-report.html
chrishove123
A squad worth in excess of £320million and ambitions of mixing it with Europe’s elite, yet all Manchester City have to show for their second assault on the Champions League is the ignominy of posting the worst-ever record of any English club in the competition.
chrishove123
Chasing the consolation prize of a place in the Europa League, City instead finished rooted to the foot of Group D after Borussia Dortmund inflicted another European away defeat on Roberto Mancini’s team. But rather than challenge for a place in next May’s Champions League final, City have instead erased Ray Harford’s 1995-96 Blackburn Rovers team from the record books by amassing just three points and no victories from their six group games. It couldn't have happened to a nicer club. OH HA HA HA
chrishove123
Lovely to see some Luka brilliance again, so happy we once had him as part of our team. Maybe another twenty years and we will get his like again. As for Englisg teams in Europe wekk the last couple of years have shown how much in decline the epl is. The champions, unbeaten this season i the league, look like chumps. We have looked third rate in the the second rate Europa. I guess all things go in cycles and the epl has had it's day. The teams are in decline and the game low in quality
Forever Spurs
I am very happy Man City failed to make it into Europa.
Madaboutspurs
Forever Spurs. I agree that it's good to see Modric doing well. I too hold no grudges. Also, the top few teams in our league are in decline in recent years. If only we can step up our game , up a couple of notches, get a couple of very good players and really the sky will be the limit next few years. Big things can happen for us soon if AVB and Levy gets things right. COYS!!! Happy Days
Madaboutspurs
Madabout - "get a couple of good players" : citee have loads of good players and look what happened to them. sometimes just having good players isn't enough. it's the coach/manager that makes the difference. hopefully avb is the difference for us.
neymar
Modric... I saw him in r Madrid game....he played 2 great passes and R Madrid strikers (benzema great goal) scored on both.. even modders said he is being asked by Jose, to play at a higher level of performance than at Tottenham... I think it was mainly Harry's fault we lost him.. 2 bad slumps in jan to march 2 yrs running, and Levy in part for not spending to get CL again..and Chavs as well unsettled him.. BUT we have moved on. just cant help thinking how well we could be doing with modric in the team now??
Block D Spurs
Although I have a smile on my face regarding City as they have spent £m's, however the more often teams from the prem fail to get out of the group stages the more likely it will become that the numbers get cut from 4 to 3 entrants. That will be our luck!!!
yiddyboy
thfc1882whl, Thanks for the stadium info! Only another 8 coaches and 3 DOF'S away before we walk proudly into the ENIC DOME in 2023... Sorry I meant 2033! Hopefully Levy will have won us another League Cup before the move in date?
pelebro
the idea that Modric would be here if only Spurs had got CL is laughable.... Modric left for the same reason he came to Spurs in the 1st place: that is to play at a higher level, with a bigger club and EARN 3 times as much as he would at Spurs... we now have the better alround midfielder in Dembele at a fraction in transfer-fee and salary... win-win.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Viyyash-Ramosh, win-win? Dembele will be sold in the exact same way as Modric within a couple of seasons. Why? Because players are seen as buy to sale products, rather than buy to WIN footballers under the ownership of ENIC! The only winners from the purchase of Dembele will be Dembele when he moves onto a bigger club who are prepared to pay top wages, and Joe Lewis when he doubles the money on his original investment. Sadly for THFC and it's fans, this pattern of buy to sale purchases made by Levy, will continue until ENIC have sold up and moved on to purchase their next buy, to sale football club...
pelebro
I think the rest will do Bale a favour spend time with his family help prepare for xmas and come back in time for our busy xmas schedule refreshed. in the meantime we have winable games we just need to make sure we are not affected psychologically about Bale being out. We have enough to win the coming games. With Ade back and hopefully wanting to kick start his season and Siggy looked better in the last game and Parker ready to return I cannot see why the loss of Bale should mean problems. Personally I don't think it would do any harm to play Dempsey or Siggy left side or even bring Parker in to partner Sandro. If we can get BAE back that will bring some width on the left otherwise we will just need to tweek the system a bit. Give other players opportunity to impress. As for Modric he may never be the outstanding player at Real Madrid as there as lots of quality players there, personally I think he should have stayed with us and been happy with being first on the team sheet and give AVB ago. Sometimes footballers are never satisfied, wanting more money. I can understand wanting to win silverware but in all honesty I still think playing regular and having a good income and stability is more precious than any amount of money or silverware, but then I am not a famous footballer or person. I can't imagine what I would spend all the money on footballers earn - low maintenance me lol
thfan
still got a feeling that AVB wants Moutinho.. was it worth the trip to see Porto V PSG otherwise.. maybe..
Yidmarks
Not sure why AVB would need to travel to the PSG vs Porto game just to watch Moutinho. He managed Moutinho at Porto, he already knows everything there is to know about him.
Guyver
if we do sell Dembele in 2yrs time, it'll be be for double what we paid and we still get him for 2yrs... we then get the next 'Dembele' or 'Modric' to develop and enjoy.... sell your best players, replace with cheaper and better players...simples.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Can we please stop with the whole bale is leaving ***** its really boring! He said he wants to play abroad at some time in his career but tha might just mean he will leave spurs in his 30s to play in the US not spain. He's got a new born child so he isnt going to uproot his family for the next three years at least until he is comfortable doing so. No team really needs him, barca cant afford him and levy wasnt affected by modric demanding a move until the right offer was made. Madrid are the only team interested in him therefore dicounting psg and anzi (lets face it who wants to go to russia or france if you have got potential still!), and they have got cover on the left in Ronaldo who scores more goals than he plays so why bring in bale to disrupt this. Do they want a left back - bale is ***** at defending so it would be a terrible waste of money if thats where they intend to play him!
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