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Parker's back! But for how long?

Scott Parker played his first game for Spurs this season in a reserve friendly against Ipswich yesterday as he hopefully nears a long overdue return to full fitness.

Though it may be a week or two early to talk of Scotty returning to the Spurs starting XI and how he will fit in alongside the likes of Sandro and Dembele, for me his return is a huge boost to AVB as despite our recent upturn, we have missed Parker's calm assuredness and influence in our midfield, but whether his return offers AVB a potential to play three central midfielders or we simply have options to rotate, I will leave that for you to discuss and for AVB to ponder.

I am a self confessed Parker fan. I was delighted to see us sign him and only wish we could have done it earlier. Parker is an outstanding reader of the game and until injury hampered his final weeks of last season, he was without question my Spurs player of the season. Of course since he has been out, Sandro has been fantastic, but I remain unconvinced that the two can play together and offer enough creativity in a midfield two, so is it now a case of one or the other, unless we re-look at the teams shape?

Since the appointment of Harry Redknapp at QPR the media seem keen to re-unite him with Parker and for some the idea of getting our money back on a player that has just turned 32 is great and sensible business, but in an age when players are fitter and able to play for longer, would we be too premature in writing off a player that not so long ago was outstanding and remains the best English DCM and is a more intelligent and experienced option that the potentially world-class Sandro at this time. In an age where squads are essential, is having £5m in the bank and a big earner off the payroll better or worse business than keeping a player that is proven quality?

Of course the main issue is whether AVB rates him and see's a place in his team in the short to medium term. Parker may well be outstanding in several aspects of his game, but as time passes, is there a need for players who are multi-dimensional as opposed to being excellent at one job? Personally I feel that selling Parker would be a bad move, but perhaps if we are able to bring in a player like Moutihno, finances may well be the deciding factor and could for example, Tottenham refuse a deal to sell Parker and perhaps Dawson to pay well over half of the fee to bring in a player that is considered one of AVB's prime targets...



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Wednesday December 5 2012
Time: 9:38AM

Comments

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id bite there hands off for £5m and im sure Levy would as well. id try sell hudd as well and put the money towards some1 that could really make the difference.
spurs-stelios
05/12/2012 09:48:00
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I like parker a lot but staff has to assess how many years are left in him. I really would like to see a midfield trio of sandro parker and dembele further upfront. On another note don't you think that siggy would be better suited in a central midfield role ? When you look at all the running he does and his shooting ability i tend to think he would be a perfect box to box midfielder. A shame we aren't looking to buy in January, I would go all out and try B.Gomis form Lyon 1 goal every 4.4 shots, the complete forward we need imo.
RamsesV
05/12/2012 09:55:00
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If Levy could get any sell on value for Parker, he will take it. Not sure QPR will pay though, they spend on wages but their transfer spend is actually pretty low.
Tactically Challenge
05/12/2012 09:56:00
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i've unearthed a very little known about gem, Elkeson. 23 yrs old very similar to Hulk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elkeson check his stats this season. bit of youtube scouting also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60vBvs0xMRA
spurs-stelios
05/12/2012 09:59:00
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Keep SPat all costs, leave it up to AVB where he deploys him and who with. I think he and Sandro would compliment each other and Sandro would learn form Scotty. Sell Thud & Livermore to Harry.
Horny Helen
05/12/2012 10:01:00
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It is very difficulty to say how much longer he can go on for. With his type of game you can him maybe picking up injuries more and more frequently. I'd still be very reluctant to let him go though. I think he has been great for us and if he can perform for another 2-3 years at the top of his game I'd keep him.
bournespurs
05/12/2012 10:06:00
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but he's never played well alongside Sandro...he's a good player but expensive to have as back up...if QPR are willing to take him time to say goodbye....good managers make sure players legs go on someone else's pitch!
shedboy2
05/12/2012 10:29:00
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Spursstellios if you are refering to Chirsten Eriksen of Ajax you would have to be living under a rock not to know about him. He is one of the most sought after players in world football. He has been linked with Barca, Man United and Madrid. Hell last month he was even linked to us( we have only a 1 in 10 chance of getting him). Not sure where you have been hiding mate but he's hardly a discovery.
spurdon
05/12/2012 10:31:00
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Sell Parker ? Some of you should be mad. Yes, he is 32, but he is far effective than likes of Livermore or Hudd. To me he was one player who put in a shift every minute of every game, playing through pain towards end of the season. I know he will not be ahead of Sandro, but he is a must in squad.
sydqcb5
05/12/2012 10:32:00
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Make him club captain if Daws leaves. I dont understand people who want him sold if we can make 5odd million on him. The guy is spurs through and through and would break his ballacks for us. He is perfect squad player to rotate with Sandro and gives us the that bite and winning mentality we will need when the going gets tough. Come March when we playing against relegation fodder Parker is the type of player we will need to scrape a result. Good to have the Boi back COYMFS!!!
JattYid
05/12/2012 10:33:00
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put it this way if we got Parker off the payroll we could afford an Eriksen...
shedboy2
05/12/2012 10:35:00
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I think with sensible management we can get at least three more years out of Scott, but we have to protect him and others instead of running them into the ground as we did with him last season
oxfordspur
05/12/2012 10:37:00
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hasn't he only played well for us for 6 months? wasn't he pretty average the tail end of last year? Yes he's a committed type of player but that's why he'll break down more often...Spurs through and through....don't make me laugh. Top bloke yes but West Ham, Newcastle, Chelsea - mercenary through and through....get some of the 6m back and get the 65k a week off the wages if possible...that's the sensible thing to do...
shedboy2
05/12/2012 10:41:00
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@SB2, I would like to think that we could afford a player like Eriksson as long as his demands were fair. when we consider how many experienced players we have sold in the last 12 mths, Im sure their is or at least should be enough to offer decent money to players that would be expected to make us better
oxfordspur
05/12/2012 10:42:00
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spurdon, give spursstelios some credit, he is NOT referring to eriksen, who could never be compared to hulk! but to elkeson, another brazilian built like a tank
Guernman
05/12/2012 10:42:00
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RamsesV - But if this guy only gets 1 shot away per game he's not the answer is he? Scotty has been a great servant to us, he is getting on and his style of play is very much based on fitness and determination. Therefore I think if the right offer came in Levy would sell. If you look at other aging players eg: Pirlo, he has class, touch that will carry him for a few years, in Scotty his game is breaking down play based on positioning and tackling. This with age catches up on your quicker than pure talent.
yiddyboy
05/12/2012 10:42:00
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I'm not sure Erikson will leave in January though, he is currently playing for Ajax who have just qualified for the Europa League and the final of that competition is in the Amsterdam Arena. I'd be more than happy to sign him in January and actually get him in the summer though!
yiddyboy
05/12/2012 10:49:00
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Ox- but we act like we're skint the whole time...SP is a good player but we really could invest 65k per week in another area of the pitch...remember Livermore has played well for us just as long as SP has....I'm afraid SP will never be a Spurs legend perhaps if he'd come sooner in his career rather than take the money he could have been.
shedboy2
05/12/2012 10:51:00
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yddyboy - 25 goals last season and already 14 this year.
RamsesV
05/12/2012 10:52:00
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In January, we should focus on getting rid of Bentley, Jenas, Cudicini OR Gomes, Khumalo, Obika, Dawkins and perhaps Rose. Let's look outside of the guys that will contribute to this current season and who have no future. Otherwise, we could end up paying for them all right through the summer at a significant cost. The exception might be someone like Dawson but so be it.

For me, Parker should not be going anywhere. Harry overplayed him and in the process ended up holding back Sandro's progress. We now have a proper manager who will use rotation to keep the squad fresh. Both Parker and Sandro are integral to that. We've missed Parker this season even if it was just coming on for the last 20 mins and closing out games.
muttley
05/12/2012 10:57:00
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With exception to Gareth Bale, Scott Parker is out best player. A lot of you seem to have forgotten how we completely steam rolled team in the center of the park with Scott there. And I only need to point to the way single handedly man-handled Xavi and Iniesta in England's 2-1 win over Spain. He is better than Sandro because he can read the game a lot better. We would be mad to sell him. If he comes back into the team, like he came to us at the start of last season, I'd fully expect a 10 game unbeaten run.
Spurfect11
05/12/2012 11:00:00
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shedboy2 - we're not skint but certainly not optimised until we complete the job of reducing the squad to useful players only. Levy and Harry have wasted millions and millions on surplus players over the last 3 years, some of which just sit around in the summer and take their pay packet. Once we clear out the last 5 or 6, Levy will have the cost optimised and can then invest in the right players for AVB. Harry could never do that as he just stockpiled quantity over quality and drained the wage bill.
muttley
05/12/2012 11:02:00
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RamsesV - sounds like the man then!
yiddyboy
05/12/2012 11:06:00
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Yeah thats right - get rid of our player of the season last year!!! Ahead of Bale and Modric i might add!! SO he's 32, who cares!! He has only reached his peak within the last 36 months. The bloke is a first choice for CM in the england team. Get a grip FFS!!!
woodyn17
05/12/2012 11:09:00
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agree Spurfect, Parker reads the game as well as anyone on the Prem. he is also a leader in his own way and we dont have enough of those at this time
oxfordspur
05/12/2012 11:10:00
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Rightly or wrongly, Parker also gets away with more than Sandro from referees because he's the older head.
muttley
05/12/2012 11:21:00
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no way should parker leave just yet, we have a manager who will rotate players, harry basically flogged the life out of parker who gradually deteriorated before succumbing to the inevitable long term injury. under AVB he can be an essential part of the squad. we have often needed to bring on a defensive midfielder to see out games or to break up the oppositions momentum, parker is the perfect man for that if he isn't already starting. sandro is the future but he can still learn a lot from scotty
Guernman
05/12/2012 11:23:00
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It seems some on here have forgotten how poor he was after x-mas last year........why don't we use that 65k pw towards a llorente? we've had parker for about a season and half...played well for half a season, not well for half a season and injured for the rest...now I don't expect him to be sold but given he has another 2 and half years on his contract if we get an offer we should take it....people bash Bentley all the time but he played well for us for part of a season and helped us into the CL proper I imagine though we could have put his wages to better use...Mutley I said we act like we're skint...Carlo, Brad, JJ are out of contract in June....Khumalo will make us a profit and is getting good reviews so is Rose so again no worries about him costing us..Obika i don't think will make it, Bentley will be back soon...see if AVB can work his magic!!!
shedboy2
05/12/2012 11:25:00
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People are fools to think we should sell Parker. Other than Walker he must have played the most games for us! Absolute beast of a defender and asset to Spurs in every way! Lets wait to see how AVB chooses to play him and Sandro...
Mix26
05/12/2012 11:38:00
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This article seems to be based on the assumption that if we want to sell Parker he will agree to go. I don't think there's a cat in hells chance of that happening. We are contracted to pay Scott £75k a week for the rest of this season and then the next two. I very much doubt QPR would match that and even if they did why would he move from a successful club to one battling relegation ? When are people going to understand that the player decides when he goes, not the club ?
jod
05/12/2012 11:38:00
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C'mon shedboy2, you compare Scotty with Jake!That isnt even fair.He's got the legs,the attitude,much of game reading.I still remember him making match saving tackles everywhere around the pitch.I'd happily give the captain armband if Dawson isnt available
SilwalYid
05/12/2012 11:40:00
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Sorry guys, those that think we should offload him must be mad IMO. We needed players like Parker when playing with our backs to the wall against the like of Utd, even Southampton and Liverpool. The guy's a grafter and he is still younger than Gallas. If we are not careful, I worry that Sandro may suffer a burn-out if played week-in week-out. We've all talked about rotation but due to injuries, not seen much of it. At his age, he'd be perfect to swap roles with Sandro match per match basis. Besides in his final few years, I am sure he'd want to add some trophies to his collection and he stands a better chance at Spurs than at QPR. AVB has complimented Parker's game and I can't (wouldn't want to) see him leave. Like others have said, there are enough deadwoods in the squad to dispense with to enable us to re-invest elsewhere on the pitch. COYS!
Critical_Spur
05/12/2012 11:48:00
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In the event he is sold & Sandro sustains an injury, we would be kicking ourselves that we had sold him! I rate Livermore & Huddlestone but the former isn't a player I would feel comfortable having in the starting 11 reguarly & the latter isn't an enforcer in the mould of either Sandro or Parker. Parker does what he does, & does it better than most. He isn't going to split defences or torment defenders with his silky skills but he'll win the ball, keep the ball & organise the defence. In terms of the effect he has on the pitch, I'd put him ahead of Sandro but that is potentially a short term gain & long term sacrifice. Having said that, a player his age, on his wages, is one that Levy would jump at the chance to sell for £5m.
Mex_yiddo
05/12/2012 11:48:00
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thanks for the support spurdon lol bad news tho, just heard Elkeson is set to move to the Chinese side Guangzhou Evergrande at the start of the January registration window for a fee of €6.5 million. we would have no chance of signing him as he has no brazil caps as yet and would almost certainly be denied a work permit. shame, he will eventually move to europe for a top club i bet.
spurs-stelios
05/12/2012 12:14:00
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spurdon Why don't you look at the links before asking that. it is so blatantly NOT Eriksen even by looking at the links and usingt a bit of common sense. It is who he said. Read this if you can't be bothered to do something as simple as follow a link ................................. Elkeson de Oliveira Cardoso, or simply Elkeson (born July 13, 1989 in Coelho Neto), is a Brazilian professional attacking midfielder who plays for Botafogo.
chrishove123
05/12/2012 12:21:00
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Lennon has being playing professional 1st team football for almost 10-yrs and he is still only 25 lol
spurs-stelios
05/12/2012 12:27:00
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spurs-stelios Shame cz he sounded pretty damn good.
chrishove123
05/12/2012 12:29:00
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Sorry to go off topic, Hulk may want out of Zenit. Got subbed and threw a strop. I know plenty of people on here would love to have him here, BUT would we want a player who throws his toys out of the pram when he is subbed because he isn't playing up to scratch. Get in someone like that and it would upset the team dynamics and psyche. with an attitude like that they can keep him as far as I'm concerned. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/dec/05/hulk-zenit-st-petersburg-coach
chrishove123
05/12/2012 12:40:00
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We must keep Scotty. He is a leader. Essential squad player
mattspurs1982
05/12/2012 12:46:00
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As well as Sandro has been for us this season, I would started a fit Scotty P. in as many matches and most times in place of Sandro. We clearly missed a player like him in our midfield and he will prove it when match fit.
Durbanspur
05/12/2012 12:47:00
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For difficult away games against big teams then playing Parker & Sandro together with Dembele further forward makes sense. I don't think we should be doing this at home or against smaller teams. For those it should be Parker or Sandro with Dembele and Adebayor or Dempsey in behind Defoe.
Kes80
05/12/2012 12:50:00
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SilwalYid- read my post again...i didn't compare the two as players I compared the length of time they both played well for us...And again I'm not saying Scotty is a bad player, far from it, I'm saying he's expensive, old (for a guy who's game is based on pure energy) and inury prone -without looking it up I would guess he's only played about 4 or 5 full seasons in his career...but no let's pay him a fortune for the next 3 years to be an occasional sub! If we get an offer, take it....and Jod yoiu're right you can't make a player go but QPR pay good wages...he could be loaned with a view to a perm deal if they stay up...he gets regular playing time, a manager who knows him and stays in London...would be hard to say no.
shedboy2
05/12/2012 12:54:00
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shedboy - as long as you don;t run parker to the ground like harry, he's pound for pound our most industrious and busy player. he obviously looks after himself and has more grit and determination than anyone else in our team. you an already see walker,sandro and vert tiring week by week, so why then haven't highlighted them for looking tired only a quarter of the way through the season, yet question Parker starting to tire after half a season?
Spurfect11
05/12/2012 13:00:00
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we should keep parker at all costs.if harry never ran him into the ground and he never went to the euros he may have been in the squad from the start of the season.hopefully AVB rotates him with our other midfielders so hes not burnt out come next april.we need someone with experience in the middle of the park and who better than scotty?
g. roberts testes
05/12/2012 13:02:00
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Kes80- you start putting Scotty ahead of Sandro, kiss goodbye to Sandro, there are no shortage of clubs that would take him! Rotate occassionally, give scotty some cups but Sandro is THE DM now...
shedboy2
05/12/2012 13:02:00
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Spurfect11- and you think he can keep that up? the way he plays is brilliant but as soon as he eases off he's half the player, at 32 things start breaking down no matter how well you look after yourself and when your game is energy based you're not going to recover as quick...it's not like he's a scholes or Giggs with oodles of quality to make up for slowing and been a loyal servant of the club!! IF there is an offer it would be better for the club if he went...who do we support Spurs or a 1 season wonder??
shedboy2
05/12/2012 13:11:00
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shedboy2 - I never said ahead of Sandro, I just said that it's one or the other except for tough away games. Sandro has barely had a game off all season. He needs to be rested sometimes to avoid burnout.
Kes80
05/12/2012 13:12:00
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Not taking anything away from Sandro - he's a rock, but I prefer to see Parker in the holding role his work rate alone can lift the team and he can pass forwads. He scares the crap out of midfielders and takes no prisoners. 5 in the midfield is and interesting prospect for AVB to try out - as long as it works and we win.
SPUDMAN
05/12/2012 13:15:00
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true Kes80 - Sandro could use a break in cup games and at the end of games....but if we use Scotty for that what do we do with Livermore (who is Spurs through and through btw)?
shedboy2
05/12/2012 13:18:00
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One injury to Sandro and we have Livermore,if Parker is sold.That's like Hudd in for injured Dembele. p.s I agree with Critical_ here!There are enough deadwood in our team,Parker's the last one to be worried about.He was one of my fav last season!!
SilwalYid
05/12/2012 13:18:00
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we've seen Sandro and scotty not work v well, we've seen Sandro and Dembele work, We've seen Sandro and Livermore not work very well but we haven't seen Livermore and Dembele? who knows they could work well together....
shedboy2
05/12/2012 13:22:00
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anyone heard about Van Wolfswinkel??he's constantly linked with us
SilwalYid
05/12/2012 13:29:00
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anyone noticed changes of Sandro since Parker arrived? When Sandro attackles, nowadays, looks just like a bigger Parker! It is surely some off-pitch influence going on. Levy, please consider this when prepare to sell - another self confessed Parker fan
SpursWho
05/12/2012 13:39:00
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well said! sydqcb5, muttley, Spurfect11, Guernman, Mex_yiddo, Critical_Spur et al.
SpursWho
05/12/2012 13:46:00
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SilwalYid - Ricky Van Wolfswinkel is a full Dutch international playing for Sporting Lisbon, I posted a couple of days ago about this although nobody reacted so I assumed it was either bollox or old news!!
yiddyboy
05/12/2012 13:50:00
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I know what you mean about Livermore. I'd love to see him do well and I've tried to be open minded about him but I don't think he makes the grade.
Kes80
05/12/2012 13:55:00
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the bottom line is that the nature of the role parker and sandro are asked to perform is very hardcore on the body and they are always putting themselves at risk of injury because they are both incredibly brave. we saw what happened when harry ran parker into the ground, and while sandro is younger, he has looked like he could use a break as the season has progressed. we need them both and now we have a manager who will rotate before they are buggered
Guernman
05/12/2012 13:58:00
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Just found out that AVB was present at the match between P$G and Porto?? any guesses Guys?
SilwalYid
05/12/2012 14:06:00
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yiddyboy-heard he's signing a new contract with lisbon anyway!so thats the end of it!
SilwalYid
05/12/2012 14:29:00
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keep Parker. with good management, he's got another 1 and a half years at a good level, surely.
ledders77
05/12/2012 15:13:00
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2243422/Bafetimbi-Gomis-agent-talks-Tottenham-Liverpool.html I know it is daily fail but I really hope Lloris can do something for us !
RamsesV
05/12/2012 15:16:00
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Parker and Gallas to QPR in January I'm sure harry would love to take Defoe aswell! Friedel to Blackburn. Could I be bold enough to suggest a loan move for Siggy to another prem team? Our must signs are a LB, RM and a Striker and icing on the cake would be a link-up midfielder but this could wait until the summer.
Slurms McKenzie
05/12/2012 15:22:00
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shedboy, if Livermore is Spurs trough and trough, then I think we are crap. Keep Parker until the rest of the season and later on we will what's the best for our club. AVB was having a look at Javier Pastore btw. In my opinion it would be very exciting to have him in our team.
noone
05/12/2012 15:27:00
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Noone unfortunately every squad needs spade men to do the donkey work at a lower league grounds on wet, miserable cup nights. Keeping Livermore and letting Scotty go would be the wiser course of action rather then selling Livermore, keeping Parker and then trying to replace him in 12-18 months time (with a Livermore type player)
Slurms McKenzie
05/12/2012 15:31:00
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Van Wolfswinkel? Is he the Dogs *********?
Slurms McKenzie
05/12/2012 15:34:00
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Okay how about the Dogs Bollox?
Slurms McKenzie
05/12/2012 15:35:00
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spurdon, he's not talking about the young Ajax player at all. Check his links. He's talking about Elkeson of Botafogo.
Total knobhead
05/12/2012 15:49:00
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Not to worry gents, after that screamer on Sat, Sandro is now an attacking mid ;) so no competition with Parker and Livermore.
Why do we have to sell Parker? AVB can easily rotate 2 from Dembele, Sandro, Parker and Livermore. If we end up getting someone like Eriksen or Moutinhao then we can worry about it at that time. Not only has the egg not hatched, the chicken hasn't even laid the egg. COYS.
miamispur
05/12/2012 15:51:00
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Miamispur I don't think the hen has even evolved fromt eh lizard yet (or God hasn't invented chickens yet, depending on what you know to be true)
Slurms McKenzie
05/12/2012 15:53:00
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Slurms-Did i miss something?? I was trying to say that we are counting chicks before the egg has hatched when the hen has not even laid the egg yet...
miamispur
05/12/2012 16:11:00
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Loads of people on here saying how Parker and Sandro don't work well together. Last season we were led to believe that J D was no good. This was from the same person who couldn't get Parker and Sandro to work together. Just because H R couldn't make it work, AVB's already proven his man management skills are way above H R's as well as his being able to get the players on board and play for him, so who is to say Parker and Sandro won't work under AVB, OK there may be an early period of inconsistency but he may be able to get them to work brilliantly. On the other hand they may never be able to work together, but like I said I will reserve judgement until he works the two of them together on a regular basis.
chrishove123
05/12/2012 16:25:00
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Well a nice little trick shot here from our Gareth Bale. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2243273/Spurs-wizard-Gareth-Bale-shows-new-trick-shot--video.html
chrishove123
05/12/2012 16:37:00
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I noticed Hulk seemed pretty pi$$ed off last night after he was subbed. Maybe he could be swayed towards WHL with a few kind whispers from our very own AVB...
TornadoYid
05/12/2012 16:54:00
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TornadoYid No way. We don't want a prima donna who throws a strop when he is subbed for not playing well enough. it woul;d disrupt the other players. How would he react when he came here and wasn't put straight into the first team but told the same thing lloris was when he first arrived. You don't have a right to go straight into the first team. Hulk's current manager has said the same thing pretty much, he doesn't have a right to play 90 minutes if he's not playing well. Keep Hulk away from WHL he is more trouble than he is worth.
chrishove123
05/12/2012 16:59:00
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But he has played under AVB before so he knows how to manage him. I don't think we could afford him anyway tbh but I personally would love to see him at the lane.
TornadoYid
05/12/2012 17:31:00
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12 Swansea 38 12 11 15 47 -10
13 Watford 38 12 9 17 45 -10
14 WBA 38 10 13 15 43 -14
15 Crystal Palace 38 11 9 18 42 -12
16 AFC Bournemouth 38 11 9 18 42 -22
17 Sunderland 38 9 12 17 39 -14
R Newcastle 38 9 10 19 37 -21
R Norwich 38 9 7 22 34 -28
R Aston Villa 38 3 8 27 17 -49
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3.Nick Real Deal124
4.Highgatespur114
5.meee9387
6.MAN ON!85
7.Spurfect1179
8.Real Deal70
9.Spursex69
10.spurdon60