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Tottenham Hotspur vs. Panathinaikos.

A final group game in the Europa league and a win or bust outcome, seems to have stirred a little emotion, however not a great deal…

No Bale or Dawson. Still no Kaboul, BAE or Parker, despite the latter two being back in training and no Lloris who is being rested, hardly allows for massive team alterations without the unlikely situation where AVB decides to play a team of kids or fringe players, so you therefore assume that we will either go with as near to our best and freshest team as possible, or perhaps take the chance that the likes of Huddlestone, Carroll and Sigurdsson have enough quality to at least get the required minimum of a draw.

Of course picking a strongest team and hoping that you are 4-0 up at half time, enabling you to take off three big guns, but how practical is that really? Therefore I guess we either play an 70-80% full strength side and hope for the best or the players will simply have to play tonight and Sunday and look forward to a day or two's rest next week, as I feel in certain cases, AVB will chose to do to keep the players fresh going into the Christmas period.

I'm sure that AVB would love to rest a few players that have played almost every game and the likes of Sandro, Defoe and perhaps Lennon, could be potentially rested tonight whilst we don't know whether Dembele is yet 100% and able to play Thursday and Sunday. Others, such as Falque, Townsend, Sigurdsson, Hudd, Livermore, Carroll and Adebayor could easily be drafted in to allow a few players the opportunity to rest and focus on Sunday. After all, to many, the Premiership game is more important and you assume the harder game of the two, so are we better to keep a few players back and if our back up isn't good enough, then so be it. It might also work in AVBs favour when he talks to Daniel Levy about our pack of quality in depth, whilst also offering a potentially last chance to impress for some.

It is clear that Spurs are struggling for numbers in defence, with only five fit senior players to call upon. This in itself offers a few questions, such as how capable is william Gallas to play three games in eight days and how much fuel has Jan Vertonghen got left in the tank? Do we rest one (and which one) with Everton in mind? You get the feeling that Walker and Naughton can run all day and with Walker being rested recently and Naughton still trying to establish himself, this is a game where I feel that both should start and you then pick one of Jan or William to rest, perhaps there is even a though that either Livermore or Hudd could step into defence to at least be the replacement option if one of the starters has a problem.

Though Panathinaikos have a chance of qualifying should they win tonight, they are without question the weakest of the four teams in my opinion. I'm really not quite sure how they have managed to get themselves into this position, but equally, I struggle to understand why Spurs haven't already secured their top two place, aster throwing away so many points in the previous games. gaining a couple of points earlier, would have allowed AVB the luxury of resting far more players tonight, so in some cases, I suppose the players only have themselves to blame for having to fight for points at such a late stage...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday December 6 2012

Time: 11:21AM

Your Comments

at last. I have been waiting all morning
Big Ron
I'm not sure I really buy into the 'tired players' argument. Players want and love to play. Maybe we should play our strongest team more often and spend less time tiring them in daily training. There is nothing like competitive match time to keep players fit and sharp. Let's do that and keep training for tactics and tricks rather than fitness and knackering players.
SpuriousLife
The players are to blame for losing us 4 points, the referees are also to blame for costing us 4 points and giving Lazio and extra 2. We must have the record for most goals disallowed against a single club in a single season. Knowing that 3 of those 4 should have counted is painful.
Kes80
Agreed SL. I don't think it takes 7 days or in fact more than 2 days to recover. They are in their twenties not sixties like myself and `I recover quicker than that lol
Big Ron
I hope Siggy, Carroll and Adebayor play tonight. I'd like to see Sandro rested but not sure we can do without him. Unless Parker is likely to be fit enough to play against Everton on Sunday anyway.
Kes80
COYS & WIN X3
Madaboutspurs
Completely agree Spurious. We seem to be obsessed on here with 'resting players' and 'keeping them fresh' for the PL. As AVB keeps pointing out, its a mental thing, not a physical thing. I personally love being in Europe (after fighting hard to qualify i can't quite understand those who can't wait to get out of it), but even for those who believe that finishing Top 4 is the be all and end all to everything in the football universe, this is still excellent conditioning for the time when we will HAVE to compete twice a week in CL and PL. It took the likes of Man U years to get used to playing competitively twice a week domestically and in Europe. AVB has got it spot on on all counts. We must get through this - this trophy comes alive in the Spring.
StillRickyVilla
I would like to see siggy, carroll, naughton, hudd and falque or townsend play, even if we rest lennon, vertonghen/gallas, dembele, sandro, defoe etc we should still have enough quality to get a draw here. on the other hand i do want us to go through
Guernman
The other thing is the arrogance that the PL seems to have instilled in us is staggering. Its like no other team from any other nation is any good (unless they are Barca or Madrid) and we should walk over them with our reserves out. According to the Spurs website they've lost only 1 in 8, beating PAOK (who beat us last season), drew with Lazio at the Olympic Stadium (as we did) on that run - they had a bad start to the season granted, but have since got a new manager who's got them playing. Not saying with a full strength team we shouldn't win, especially at home, but i don't understand the arrogance - they will be no mugs.
StillRickyVilla
Carroll definately should start, has been playing very well and seems to feature more in AVBs plans than livermore does, thank god! start sig or falque for bale
spursnoob
Same here Big Ron! Falque,Carroll,Siggi,Naughton,Friedel,Hudd,Ade should start.Thats resting half our 1st squad.Afterall a draw sends us through,why bother?
SilwalYid
can these players not play twice in one week??!
mattspurs1982
in some cases tiredness can be exaggerated, but what would you prefer, to have your players rested and fully focused for seven days for an important game that for two? whatever we make of twenty something athletes being tired, is is a no brainer that those who are better rested and better prepared for one game in a week as opposed to two have a greater chance of performing better
oxfordspur
just to add, it isnt always about being a it tired, but also about knocks and strains picked up when playing a competetive game at 100% as opposed to playing an often non contact or certainly lower intensity training session that causes problems
oxfordspur
Mattspurs - twice in one week, yes. Twice a week every week, no. There's been a lot of games lately and I worry about certain players burning out.
Kes80
I would not approach the theme "players getting some rest" for the sake of "rest" alone but I would consider not playing Sandro, Dembele, Vertonghem, Defoe and Lennon just to keep them away from any injury to add to our already lenghty list of sidelined players. Even so, Spurs can field a strong XI with Friedel-Walker-Gallas-Caulker-Naughton-Livermore-Huddlestone-Carroll-Sigurdsson-Dempsey-Adebayor backed by a bench of Cudicini, Verts, Falque, Defoe and Dembele if we really need them.
AlexSpur
more games played per month = more tiredness = more injuries.... its a simple enough equation
Viyyash-Ramosh
They will come and park the bus and try to nick a goal on the break. Playing for a draw is a bad idea. We need to be careful as we could find ourselves dumped out. Start with Adebayor and Defoe up top and put the game to bed early on. They can come off for the second half and rest then.
dannispur
SilwalYid - "Afterall a draw sends us through,why bother?" That's exactly the kind of mentality and approach that invites a loss.
Hot_Spur
I'm simply oozing confidence for the game tonight. I sense the players are starting to get fired up and the belief growing. I trust AVB to play or rest as he see's fit. He's not let us down yet. I predict a comfortable 3-0
SPUDMAN
For goodness sake! When I was in my 20s, I was playing twice a week AND playing 5 a side on wednesday evenings AND holding down a job where I worked outside in all weathers. ( and I was paying to play NOT getting paid huge amounts to play) Our players should be fighting to play not moaning about feeling tired.
spurboy61
Tiredness isn't just from one game to the next, it's the cumulative effect on the season as a whole we need to worry about as well as the knocks and injuries as Ox says. Have we learned nothing from last year? We are now suffering from AVB's failure to get the team organised quickly enough for the start of the competition unfortunately. We were crap in Athens and Maribor and ineffective against Lazio at home. No excuses tonight please.
Love totty
Ox - I agree you can pick up knocks or strains, but that risk applies to training or even warming up too! I don't think a game in the week at home is a real problem, I can understand if you have to play in Russia on a Thursday and then away to Everton on the Sunday to a point but playing at home tonight should be the best team possible. IMO Freidel (only cause AVB has already stated that apparently)...............................................................................Walker....Caulker....Vertonghen....Naughton................................Lennon...Carroll......Sandro..........Dempsey.................................Ade....Defoe.............................................................................
yiddyboy
Oh no, what have I done!!!!
yiddyboy
The point is assuming that the more 'important game' is Everton because we want to qualify for the CL next season. So when/if we do reach the ultimate objective and qualify for the CL we will HAVE to compete twice a week then anyway. Otherwise what is the point of any of it? AVB has it absolutely right - play as full strength as possible in this competition whilst being sensible. It means that 1. the players are mentally conditioned for 'getting up' for 2 games a week and 2. for the glory of being in Europe in the knock-out stages and ultimately trying to bring back the famous trophy. Try telling me the Everton game is the more important if i'm in Amsterdam next May! Its a win-win in my eyes.
StillRickyVilla
Ox agree with you about knocks and strains but the tiredness comes more from the mental concentration required at this level. I played semi pro at a decent level and you can't switch off for a second, at PL level and in Europe that need to stay focused until the final whistle must be 10x what I endured and that can't be easy. Many players suffer with headaches and physical sickness after a game literally brought on by the stress of concentration. PL players are highly tuned athletes and if left uncared for will eventually break down, its like a highly tuned F1 car you would'nt not look after that and still expect it to win races, would you!
sf1
StillRickyVilla - I'm in Amsterdam right now, bloody cold and snowy :-)
yiddyboy
I don't want to see Verts and Sandro start today. Both have been looking quite tired recently having had international duties as well. Siggy surely is entitled to a start and Ade will play instead of Defoe.

Dembele is a tough question. We need him, but would it be wise to rest him because of his recent injury? Carroll and Thud should be enough today and maybe give Falque/Tonwnsend a go. I want us to go through, but not with the expense of PL. The Everton game is much more important in my opinion than this one.
Jables
Everton is a 6 pointer to us..

Go with the 70-80% strength option.

......................Adebayor..........................
....Siggy..........Dempsey...........Lennon....
..............Carroll..........Hudd....................
....Naugthon....Gallas...Caulker....Walker...
........................Brad............................
Yidmarks
This is what i'd go for (4-4-2): Freidel, Walker, Verts, Gallas, Naughton, Townsend, Hudd, Carroll, Siggy, Dempsey, Adebayor. Bench: Lloris, Dembele, Defoe, Sandro, Lennon, Caulker, Falque
TornadoYid
Actually i'd swap Verts for Caulker and save him for the Everton game - good shout Jables.
TornadoYid
who plays? Don't care that much, we have enough players available to do the job, winning this game takes us into the next stage, which will come around next year, by that time we should have a fully fit squad, tonight is simply about getting the right result for the club and all spurs fans. COYS.
spu 4 life
Are there any prizes for being the first to submit the poll prediction?
Love totty
sf1 - A very moving point you make but I have to concentrate at my work and I also get headaches. I unfortuneatly dont get thousands per week and this is what gives me my headache. I'm not falling for the finely tuned athletes that can't run around twice in a week. If they got performance related pay then maybe the concentration aspect would somehow become easier!!!
yiddyboy
What did you vote for Love totty, just to make sure its working correctly...LOL
yiddyboy
Great minds........
Love totty
My starting line up would be as follows and the reason for this is that I feel it offers a balance of experience and youth. Freidel, Walker, Caulker, Verts, Naughton, Thudd, Carroll, Sigurdson, Falque, Dempsey, Adebayor. We simply can not risk Sandro or Lennon for the Everton game given the absence of Parker & Bale. Dempsey off the left would be beneficial as an experiment but ideally replace with Townsend if and when the game in won. Adebayor needs minutes and the back 5 should have a relatively easy night! I for one, am looking forward to tonights game #COYS
1984Spurs
SilwalYid - "Afterall a draw sends us through,why bother?" That is a Arry type thought on how to play. We have AVB now who has a WINNING mentality, which you don't seem to have, unless, of course you were being ironic.
chrishove123
spurboy61 I agree. In my mid 40s I was playing badminton, going training twice, swimming twice, 5 a side and playing on a Saturday every week.
chrishove123
Love totty- think you will find it was the match officials that were ineffective in the lazio game at white hart lane.
topspur53
Even if we had been given a goal T53, Lazio came for a draw and looked well capable of getting it that night. We were completely disjointed.
Love totty
Hot_spur-I think Everton game is much more important than today's fixture.Besides We're at home and the pressure's on them to nick a win not us.If I'm right we'll the pretty comfortably!so why bother risking our imp players
SilwalYid
Love Totty - what about if we given 2 goals? 2 of the 3 disallowed should have counted.
Kes80
We can't rewrite history Kes. If we had been given a goal, they would have attacked more and maybe scored themselves, we'll never know. We didn't do enough to win, period.
Love totty
We put the ball in the net three times! One was definitely offside but how often does a team win by more than two goals? Not very. Whether the team played well or not they did enough to win the game. Hopefully we will get some good fortune when we need it by way of compensation.
Kes80
Kes80, don't rise to Love totty, he is one of the few AVB snipers left on this site. You are right, i was at the Lazio game and we pummelled them, but for the officials we would have won comfortably. Also the other 2 games mentioned, whilst flat, were largely dominated by us but we conceded completely out of the blue both times. On any other nights we would have again won comfortably. Guess some will always find a reason to blame AVB, but blaming him for the Lazio game especially, actually our best performance of the season up that match is just moronic.
StillRickyVilla
Yiddyboy, see you in Amsterdam in May then! Hopefully will have warmed up by then and we'll be drinking fresh Heineken to celebrate a famous victory! Its a shame Chelsea have fallen into the UEFA Cup, i bet they will find some way of shafting us!
StillRickyVilla
At least I'm consistent SRV. You're right, it was our best performance up to that point, which just shows how bad the previous ones were. I say it as I see it not through rose tinted spectacles, we were not good enough then, but much better now. I have exactly the same ambition for AVB as you, but he has to prove himself, simples.
Love totty
Lt, yep you are certainly consistent! You are a typical short-term knee-jerker! After 3 wins in a week AVB is 'much better', before he was 'not good enough'. When the truth is he is exactly the same AVB as he is now as he was in August. i.e a young, talented manager who wants to build the club up over the long-term whilst competing for all trophies along the way. I'm not looking through rose-tinted glasses - There are a thousand different factors that go into how a team does in the short-term, internal and external, and so sniping or congratulating AVB depending on the latest result is just idiotic. Bottom line is it takes AT LEAST a year for a manager to revamp a club (i would argue the 3 years it took Fergie) - and so i'm willing to give AVB and the players at least that time before i start making bold judgements. In the meantime lets give him the benefit of the doubt and get behind the lads.
StillRickyVilla
a body in motion stays in motion, the physics behind the physiques...some may remember the campaign but the truth is some players will need protection some benefit from more playing time...if ever the old chestnut 'the manager sees them in training' were relevant it's in these type of calls....these are the decisions that AVB should get right....we prioritised this competition so we must win. Unless we're now of the thought 'we can't compete with the mega money of Chelsea' and just give up....3-1 Spurs...
shedboy2
SRV - it is you who are making the bold judgements not me, mate. I make no predictions, I just comment on actual performances and results. You won't have to say I told you so as I too want him to succeed desperately. You think he's done well so far, I think he could have started better. As for getting behind the lads, I will be cheering my head of in the Everton end on Sunday as I was at OT. That's what I call support. I thought you had canned the holier than thou attitude but obviously not.
Love totty
Dress the best XI for this match as we can. We need to advance. We also need to dress the best XI possible for the weekend. Most of our available guys should be fit for tonight. Heck they haven't played for 4 days. They will be rested. After Sunday they will have a light couple of weeks leading in to the hectic Christmas schedule. That also coincides with apparent returns from some of our starters which will allow some much deserved rest for players like Vertonghen, Sandro, Walker, Lennon. Bale has now had a couple of breaks, so he will just slot back in. Same with BAE and Parker when they return. Kaboul will also be a huge return as he allows AVB to select 2 of Caulker, Vertonghen and Kaboul every game.

Haven't read the injury report but I'd suggest, Friedel, Walker, Gallas, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Dempsey, Sigurdsson, Lennon, Adebayor. I'd have Defoe on the bench just in case along with Hudd to hopefully spell off Sandro if we are up. Carroll and Falque also hoping to be up by a couple and get them on at about the 60 minute mark. Winning is essential. Finishing top of the group, which requires help, is only possible with the win. Go for it and fans at the Lane, get behind the lads. It really is the 12th man that needs to start stepping up, IMO. COYS
peterballb
Resting players: it is the constant playing across a few months that require resting. Vertonghen and Sandro come under that - because their form will decline if they keep going. Sandro WILL need rest soon. He played in olympics. When Parker is fit, this will be earlier. Europa: STRONGEST TEAM. If we go out, then we have wasted time playing non fringe in this cup. We haven't looked good in it generally. So we need to go through and try to win it. Some people hate the fact that we threw it in previous seasons. I don't mind as long as you do one or the other...and not in between...which would be going out now. The game: Cannot rest anyone bar possibly Vertonghen and Lloris.
TonyRich
Lets keep the current run of form going and add another boost to confidence by winning well with a strong team. Take that momentum into the game with Everton.
Slurms McKenzie
I agree with the majority, play our strongest 11. I'd play 4-4-2 & play BOTH JD & Ade to get them match time together again. Bales obviously out so I'd go with either of Townsend or Falque. My Team for tonigh would be

Brad; Walker, Caulker, Verts, Naughton; Lennon, Sandro, Dembele, Townsend/Falque; Ade, JD.

This IS an important match & as long as we're winning comfortably by 60mins then we can sub the likes of Dembele & JD. Just look at the failures of City & Chelsea in the CL, now they are in the so called "lesser Cup" & they NEED to win it to try & save some dignity. How great would it be to knock either of them out the EL !

Under AVB although its taken some time we're starting to show our true colours again & the Players all look happy in the new system & want to work FOR AVB. They clearly RESPECT him & his system, the ability is within the Squad & with only a few additions in Jan we'll be set & fully capable of maintaining our form, finishing in the top4 & hopefully winning a Cup.

I can't wait for KO, only 2.5hrs to go..... COME ON YOU SPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURS !
True Spurs Supporter
True Spurs Supporter, Bang on mate.
chrishove123
a win tonight is a must, but players like siggy and huddlestone should certainly be good enough to get it. i would not start dembele, he is too important and probably not quite 100% yet. i would have defoe, dembele perhaps even lennon on the bench in case we need them, but really we shouldn't
Guernman
How is a win tonight a must when a draw takes us through ?

I`d rather we drew tonight & won on Sunday .
Or is it better to win tonight & draw on Sunday ? really c`mon . Play the players to win the game ,but the squad should be filled with players to do that ,& still rest players that can win on Sunday .Dembele should not play ,nor Sandro ,or Defoe .Lennon can because he`s been $hit all year
big cockeral
How is a win tonight a must when a draw takes us through ?

I`d rather we drew tonight & won on Sunday .
Or is it better to win tonight & draw on Sunday ? really c`mon . Play the players to win the game ,but the squad should be filled with players to do that ,& still rest players that can win on Sunday .Dembele should not play ,nor Sandro ,or Defoe .Lennon can because he`s been $hit all year
big cockeral
friedel.walker,caulker,vertonghen,naughton.lennon,sandro,carroll,dempsey.ade&defoe
duckworth
ade&defoe
duckworth
Our team tonight is: Friedel, Walker, Caulker, Vertonghen, Naughton, Lennon, Sandro, Carroll, Dempsey, Adebayor & Defoe
what_sux
And our subs tonight: Cudicini, Huddlestone, Livermore, Townsend, Stewart, Dembele & Sigurdsson
what_sux
Kevin Stewart on bench

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/Team/professionals-profiles.page?PlayerName=Kevin%20Stewart
what_sux
Well, a least AVB is a true honest man when he says he gives EL lots of consideration...it is a strong XI he is fielding tonight. Hope we can nail this in the 1st half to provide some players a rest whilst giving others match time.
AlexSpur
No new good gif found this couple of days, so I will post an excellent manga link for you guys to have read :DDD

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/velvet_kiss/
what_sux
Big game for Tom Carroll tonight...I really hope he does well.
jacobslad
is that official team? Exactly what i would play
Tottenjam
Yes! COYS. Well confident. Obviously...AVB selected my team ;)
Tottenjam
Well happy to see Carrol in there. Anyone else fed up of Hud and think he's not what we need at the moment? Specially with Sandro. Not dynamic enough
Tottenjam
I don`t give a $hit who plays ,just get the result .

Any romance in football is long gone
big cockeral
Id care a bit of i sore 'big cockeral' in the lineup
Tottenjam
Tottenjam English your 6th language ?
big cockeral
Dam...you know my weakness
Tottenjam
Early days but Ade seems to have lost his touch, Needs some match practice
Big Ron
Dempsey showing real class...
Mix26
Love the crowd noise but hate the fact we appear to have a draw mentality from the start. Good to see how far our set pieces have advanced though! :-{
Underspur
That was a better first touch lol
Big Ron
Best three free kick takers are Hudd, Bale and Siggy. None in the lineup so hard to make any assessment on this match. COYS
peterballb
GOOOOAAAAAAAL!!
Madaboutspurs
Now a couple of Maribor goals would be nice. COYS
peterballb
Morning Madabout. Peterbalb I sometimes wonder if doing the expected is always the best way to approach free kicks. Just look at the one Panath took, caught our guys completely!
Underspur
Well it certainly looks like we're going to have a good morning here Underspur :-)
Madaboutspurs
cant u get channel 5 on 60 ft yacht
123spurs
chelsea only club to to win CL an fail to get out of groups stages the next year haha
123spurs
Oops!! :-(
Madaboutspurs
Underspur, every free kick should not be planned and it is often a great idea to take free kicks, corners and throws quickly. this is one frustration I have had with Spurs for the past decade. We play fast paced wing play all based on quick attacking and counter-attacking. Yet we wait for an eternity to put the ball back in play. The better Italian and Spanish sides just get on with it. It drains the energy of the opposition while keeping them on the back foot. We let everyone defend what we are doing. We rarely catch anyone out. That said, on corners and long free kicks, it makes sense to get all of our tall backs forward. Caulker, Dawson, Vertonghen are all monsters as are Adebayor, Bale, Dembele and Sandro. When you have 4 or 5 targets in the box, a little planning can give you the advantage. We are far better this season than we have been in years, so there is progress. Better delivery is still required. COYS
peterballb
coys ffS dont loose this
123spurs
Naughton is haveing a sh**e game.
Critical_Spur
We're missing Lloris today, the statue of liability must retire after this game!
yiddyboy
Omfg when will AVB realise that Karl the pr1(k Naughton cannot defend to save his life. Hes not even a good right back, let alone left back, he cannot play left back at all EVER. He's cost us points in the league and goals in Europe F G S get him off before he cost us our Euro place
YidEdy
BF is really frustrating me, he needs to come off his line!
mountainyid
Get in there!
mountainyid
Ggggoooaaaallll go on Dempsey !!!!!!!!!
YidEdy
Now we know why Walker didn't play last weekend. Been praticing corners and free kicks!! Well done for that cross for Demp's goal. COS!
Critical_Spur
Keep attacking now PLEASEEEEE
Big Ron
yiddyedy so has kyle walker has cost of loads of goals and who said demps was crap an get rid of he knows nothing
123spurs
I can't bare to watch Naughton any more he's getting worse by the second
YidEdy
Dddddeeeeeefffffoooooeeeeeee Spurs legend all Defoe haters eat your negative words
YidEdy
123 spurs, I don't know what your talking about I never mentioned walker ? What's your point
YidEdy
Never mentioned Dempsey either !!
YidEdy
walk is worse if not as bad as kyle, and kyle is only getttin a few games now where as walker played last 2 season. give him a chance, and i wasnt on about u abaout demp it was some1 else on here, coys we have won
123spurs
Hope these guys recover ok over next few days ready for Everton. I think they will be a bit harder to beat. We need Bennie back for that game if at all possible
Big Ron
Nice :-) Makes my day. Thanks. Good job. :-))
Madaboutspurs
should have put some money on the 3-1! We have learned tonight that Walker should take out set pieces....great deliveries!
shedboy2
What we're learning is that Naughton is not a LB - nothing else. On his CV it says he's a RB and it's therefore tough to be too critical. I still have my doubts at RB but that's more instinct than seeing him there that often. I'm still hopeful that Smith will come through so we have even more competition at RB.
muttley
Loved the way Defoe lobbed the keeper. Only last season he would've smashed it without thinking. Hope he is adding a few more strings to his bow. Well done!
Critical_Spur
Coming second means we miss all the big teams
duckworth
Care to explain please, duckworth?
Madaboutspurs
dusckworth, think you got that wrong!...We could be drawn against any of the group winners or the CL drop-outs!
Critical_Spur
duckworth- quite the opposite you will find
topspur53
Darn, I was hoping duckworth's right about this
Madaboutspurs
Well Demps does it again absolutely brilliant through ball for a goal. J D does it again what a wonderful goal.
chrishove123
Bit of a shock watching Al Jazera sports 3, Curbishly AND Gray were really bigging up J D, Lennon, AVB and Spurs in general. Seems like the media tide is turning in our favour now. What a turnaround. Not only are we winning on the pitch but we are winning the media battle as well. Great interviews with J D and AVB afterwards, Ade was supposed to have been there as well but he disappeared.
chrishove123
My argument regarding Dempsey has always been that he's a mid table player who isn't good enough to take us to the next level and I'll stand by that too. Granted he's had two, maybe three useful contributions tonight, the pass to Ade for his goal and his header that caused the own goal. Apart from that there were far too many misplaced passes, simple ones at that, gotta also say that his header was more about Walkers delivery than anything else. Also and probably most telling, we looked better when he was replaced by Siggy. For such an experienced player, he's just not good enough.
Ade too was poor, still has trouble controlling the passes, his goal was nicely taken though, I reckon he's been taking lessons from Defoe. What a finish from Defoe and what a pass from Lennon, no head down blasting it from JD there so I wonder what excuse the haters will reel out this time. Impact sub, don't make me laugh but hey, it's all about opinions. A good win and a professional performance.
thfc1882whl
Benny and Parker are supposed to be ready for Swansea game. Hope so.
chrishove123
big cockeral Funny you should say A L has been $hit all year because in tonight's interview J D praised him very highly for all the passes he has been putting through to him. Sort of contradicts you there doesn't he. I think I know who I'd rather take the word of between you and J D mate cz he was there not you..
chrishove123
thfc1882whl I suppose you are forgetting his assist in the Prem last game for another goal, without Demps we may not have had the momentum of goals to win either of our last two matches.
chrishove123
123spurs And citeh having the worst ever European record now as well. HA HA HA HA HA.
chrishove123
true chris, city all the money an failed to get out of groups stages 2 years in a row. it just goes to show
123spurs
As long as they are wearing our colours and putting in a good shift everytime, I will fully support our players. Not to mention we won today. YAY!!! YAY!!!
Madaboutspurs
We cant be drawn against ajax, kiev, atl madrid,stuttgart,bour munch,napoli,inter milan,basel,bay levekusen,levante
duckworth
We CAN be drawn against dnipro,genk,rubin kazan,met kharkiv,steaua bucht,pizen,cfr cluj
duckworth
can we be drawn against other PL teams in the next round?
Guernman
Thanks duckworth. I'll take your word for it. Gotta get back to work :-)
Madaboutspurs
Draw is on Dec 20 for last 32 and Last 16
sydqcb5
Guernman no we cant
duckworth
thanks duckworth, looks good :)
Guernman
thfc1882whl, IF you are going to say Demps only made 2 useful contributions, then you have to admit Defoe only made 1 useful contribution all game. Your preconceived views on both players are clouding your judgement mate.
Guyver
Yiddyboy, sorry it's taken so long to get back to you, like you I also have to work my arse off to make ends meet.I know where your coming and it's a very valid point, the pressure's we all come under not earning a years salary in a week are immense and at times unbearable if not cruel. However my point still stands, over the years I have played with and against some astonshing players truely gifted and yet when you ask them why they where bumming around playing against the likes of me you got the same answer over and over again, they just could'nt handle the pressure. The same goes for most professions you don't have to be the best just able to handle everything that's thrown at you. Those that think they can fail and either fade away or turn to substances those the know they can achieve for a short while those who are obilivious to all but their own desires succeed. Greedy, selfish, little prats yes but gifted ooh so very gifted.
sf1
ps excuse grammer and spelling this cheap labtop is crap.
sf1
Dempsey is starting to prove his worth. Not quite the quality we should have in his position, but he is a smart and hard working player. A handy player to have and well worth the low sum we paid in today's market.
asherthesmasher
Just saw Defoe's and Adebayor's goal on youtube. Good pass again from Dempsey, this time for Ade's goal. Nice move and pass from Lennon. Great calm chip over the GK from Defoe. Of course Dempsey scored as well. Good good all round. Big challenge with Everton in 2 days.
Madaboutspurs
chrishove123...... No mate, not forgetting his contribution last weekend, I credited him for it on the match thread. I agree he has improved of late but it doesn't change my opinion of him.
Guyver... maybe you're right mate, it's just that I feel his stray passes last night caused us problems defensively.I think when you weigh up his pros and cons, the negatives outweigh the positives. Having said that, I do feel he has been better of late. Still not a top 4 player imo.
thfc1882whl
Didn't we make hard work of that! Lazio showed how to put away inferior teams while we couldn't manage a shot at goal for nearly half an hour. Thank God Dempsey is now firing because without him we could easily have lost this game. I did not enjoy watching that at all and could only feel relief at the end. Too complacent by half. COYS we need a bit more flair and purpose when we are clearly the better team. I'll be more than happy if we dig in to get a result at Goodison but not when we play at home.
Love totty
Naughtons gotta go and so does Dempsey. Just not good enough.
01tottenham
thfc1882whl Dempsey was a class above anyone else on the pitch going forward. If anything Carrol may have shaded it for me motm. I can't understand how u would call a player not good enough when he has directly influenced several matches for us and is still getting used to playing a new system and with new team mates. U need a team of hard working players and I believe Dempsey is the glue that could sync our attack up. Himself and Ade looked very comfy together last night. Kuddos to AVB for keeping Naughton out on the pitch. He is still young and will learn massively from these matches. I felt he was really gutted he played so poor but to be honest he looked so nervous on the ball. He will improve this season. Regarding the goal scored against us I honestly believe Lloris would have saved that... Friedel is def no2 from here on in...
Mix26
I think you are right about Dempsey, Mix26 but no goalkeeper in the world would have saved that. Free header from about 8 yards? I'm all for Lloris now but there is no need to rubbish Brad. Shame about Naughton, I thought he did well on the right against Fulham.
Love totty
LT I think Brad has the proven he is able to get to shots close to his body but Im afraid he is cemented to the same spot most of the time. Watching Lloris he is able to push out so quickly and reduce the angle of the shot dramatically.
Mix26
lennon's reverse pass was fantastic and defoe's finish had finesse (!). It seems we finally have a manager who will actually teach these players to improve and develop their game. even Brad was coming off his line a lot yesterday a la lloris :)
Guernman
Apparently Naughton had the most tackles in the game than any Spurs player. I thought he looked good going forward, but a little unsure in defence. He needs to play on the right not left, but as Walker is coming back to form Naughton won't see much playing time in the right back position.
Jables
I thought Carroll played OK but MOM for me was Walker, consistent, strong and great deliveries!....Carroll disappeared second half, I also think that he'll be worked out pretty quickly by PL oppossing playings so yes, good player, has potential but still a long way to go...Naughton seems to be in a sticky patch....has been swapped about on wings and in and out of the side hasn't helped, he should come through though...Ade poor first touches at the start but he normally takes time to find himself in a game...Defoe is a predator, that's what he does if he hadn't have scored yesterday people would be asking what he contributed...they miss the point.
shedboy2
I agree it seem Defoe is at last learning how to be a striker, and vary his shots.. and keep on side.. best game he had i think.. offsides i cant remember any??
Block D Spurs
Mix26 - Spot on mate, the statue of liability(SoL) if very effective when the shot is straight at him, lots of crosses caused havoc because the SoL doesn't come out and clear the danger. What has happened to Gomes as I'd like to see him as no2?
yiddyboy
Kyle Walker has been much improved the last few games, long may it continue. He was DREADFUL at the start but he seems to have his confidence on the all back.
HuddersfieldYiddo
defoe was much better in the second half as he started to move well. first half he was pretty static and out of the game. he was offside for ade's goal, and when he wanted a pass but dempsey took the shot, while it didn't matter he is still lazy when it comes to staying in line and that needs to improve. he is a much better player under AVB though and his finish yesterday was brilliant and showed a finesse I have never seen from him before. he is still too selfish though and that may be an increasing problem when it comes to keeping ade happy too. adebayor is a more complete player and could well be more important for us during the rest of the season. i am excited to see what avb can do with him as well
Guernman
The goal Defoe scored yesterday was identical to the goal he scored at home to Norwich at the end of last season, he's always been capable of scoring goal like that.
Guyver
For me Naughton and Carroll are still a little too immature for the 1st team. It's good to see them coming through but they shouldn't be starting yet. Defoe is a master and it beggars belief that Blinky Harry couldn't get him playing.
SPUDMAN
Coys
YidEdy
Block D Spurs J D was offside once.
chrishove123
thfc1882whl In the relatively short time Demps has been with us he has gone from most people wanting him out of the club to one of the most improved players on the pitch. I think he will get better and better as the season goes along and we are going to have a really good top four player in him. He just had to adjust to us and our ways. Some players can do that straight away, some take a while, it doesn't mean they are bad players it just means they take a bit longer to get up to speed, but once there, well they stay there.
chrishove123
Can't wait til we have the injured lads back: Lloris, Walker, Kaboul, Vertonghen, Assou-Ekotto, Sandro/Parker, Dembele, Lennon, Dempsey/Defoe, Bale, Ade. Bench: Friedel, Caulker, Dawson, Naughton, Sandro/Parker, Sigurdsson, Dempsey/Defoe. What a squad. But unfortunately half of the lads are injured all the time so a matchday-18 like the one I mentioned there will probably never come to the table...;-(
COYS_TSB
all teams have injured players... Arse have Podolski, Walcott, Diaby, Sagna , Koscielny out currently... but I agree, the injured 3 returning will be like 3 top-class January signings.
Viyyash-Ramosh
 

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