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Everton vs. Tottenham Hotspur.

Everton have drawn seven of their last nine games, and perhaps their credentials of being the team most likely to shock the established big and bigger boys is slightly on the slide. I also perhaps question the talk of them playing wonderful football and instead feel they are perhaps still retaining their ruthless efficient methods, but this season have a greater cutting edge and also a truly devastating match winner and man for the spectacular in Marouane Fellaini, who has a legitimate claim to be considered the Prems player of the season so far.

Fellaini's eight goals this season and five in the last five games, would appear to be the main headline maker for Everton, but one win in those nine games, and that against lowly Sunderland is hardly potential CL form and you wonder if David Moyes's boys are just suffering a slight dip in form or are in fact now finding their level after a very promising start. Of course they have some excellent players such as Baines and former Spur Pienaar and remain extremely hard to beat, but I also feel that Tottenham have the tools to get something here, with just a bit of luck and a decent 90 minute showing.

Parker, BAE, Bale and Dawson are all suggested as being a week away from fitness, whilst Younes Kaboul remains a longer term absentee, but with a Premiership returning Emmanuel Adebayor in line for a start, just as long as AVB feels brave enough to play two strikers in such a game, you feel we certainly have the quality to offer a decent fight as long as the players show up and look like they want to fight for the game.Though the pairing of Ade and Defoe excite me, I am still awaiting real evidence that they can play together and not be just to busy and outstanding individuals working high up the pitch. Have we yet seen enough from either as a partnership to be convinced of playing an efficient 4-4-2 at the moment?

Elsewhere I don't expect too many debates in the starting XI. Lloris, Walker, Gallas, Caulker and Vertonghen seem our likely back five and that seems reasonable. in the middle, Sandro and Dembele are our best current pairing, whilst I feel we will play Lennon on the right, Dempsey will move to the left to cover the injured Bale and Adebayor will partner (ish) Defoe in attack. All seems quite simple as long as we don't have any unfortunate huge, tweaks or fall outs in the next few hours.

With Arsenal and Chelsea both winning this weekend, I do wonder if Everton face slightly the greater pressure to win or at least not to lose. Though I have a feeling that neither manager would be devastated with a point apiece, Spurs could realistically lose and remain in 4th, whilst Everton will perhaps feel their positive start and media early season good will will count for nothing if they start next week in 8th or worse, should West Ham beat Liverpool and Spurs score a few. Again I worry that a Thursday European fixture will take something from our players legs, especially against such a hard running opposition, but I hope that our successfully getting out of the group stages will act as a boost to any fatigued legs or minds and we can then rest up for a few days before facing Swansea, safe in the knowledge that a top four place is looking more comfortable...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Saturday December 8 2012

Time: 5:29PM

Your Comments

3 points are what I wanted, but realistically it will not be as easy, and since it is away, I will gladly take 1 point to be honest since Goodison Park is not always our happy hunting ground and that some of Everton players like Fellaini, Jelavic, Pienaar all with decent form so they will not give up without any fight.
what_sux
I'd go 4-4-2 with the exact line-up you suggest. Don't you wish we had one more striker on the books though?
spurswede
and please remove the first post!
spurswede
Poor taste What Sux....degrading to say the least. Nice looking girls are one thing but this is beneath this site.
jvd
spurswede, agreed. I think that we'll line-up in a 4-4-2 with Dempsey deployed on the left. If we go 4-2-3-1, I think that we should play Siggy on the left with Dempsey behind Defoe. I prefer a 4-4-2, but I don't trust Ade after his nonsense against Arsenal.
Fanman
Agreed re first post NEEDS TO GO ASAP
Big Ron
Lol love it what_sux
Mix26
Being Spurs fans, I guess it has become inborn within us to be reserved and little apprehensive about these games to be hoping for a draw as worst case scenario. Hwever, I am going to be more optimistic and suggest that we can win this!. Not worried about their form and the fact that they have had so many draws with only recent win against SUnderland. Remember Liverpool's unbeaten run before they came to WHL?. Fellaini?..no probs. If we have Ade in the starting line up then he too should provide the same threat for us. As much as we will definitely miss Bale, I think we have enough in our tank for the battle. As long as we score first, I will go for a Spurs win. Only worry is that AVB may choose to go for Defoe alone upfront and looking to introduce Ade in the 2nd half. Would very much like to see a charging start rather than a leisurely knocking the ball about in our own half. COYS!
Critical_Spur
BTW, What_Sux, I love the pics you post to break the mud-slinging here, but NOT as the first post though........might give newbies the wrong impression, LOL!
Critical_Spur
Would take a draw, but a win would be great. After tomorrow, for the rest of the season, the only "big" clubs we have to play AWAY from home are Liverpool and Chelsea. With most of the 'hardest' games out of the way already, there's a chance we could have a good season. Kabeast, Parker and BAE will be welcome additions back to the squad, could still do with cover for Lennon and Bale though for injuries and rotation. Last year still haunts me a bit, but as long as AVB doesn't play FOUR players out of position to accommodate the loss of ONE player (genius coaching) then we should be alright.
Crissybwoy
Critical_Spur, AVB doesn't strike me as a manager that likes to go gung ho and I think he likes one up front. Having said that he has played Defoe and Ade together a few times and to be honest, due to injury, suspension or the fact that we didn't have the player, I'm not sure on how many times both could have physically played together. I'd like to see both from the start, get a few goals in early and then sit back and relax (that would make a nice change).
In-spurs-ational
Realistically we should be looking for a draw, not losing would be my target. We our our quality no reason we can't sneak a win.
ItalianYiddo
This is a strange game in the sense that for all the hype around Fellaini, they've only won one of their last nine games. This is hardly a team we should be fearing. I think we are a little nervous as Spurs never do anything easily and we are without Bale who has been in great form for us and this is the first league game without him (I think that's correct)
In-spurs-ational
Critical, as Spurs fans I don't think we assume a draw is 'worst-case scenario', there's plenty worse than getting a draw away from home, we're capable of messing anything up, it's what we've truly excelled at down the years. No-one throws away opportunities as well as we do, whether it be having lasagne for dinner, or throwing away an apparently unassailable points-gap, losing 4-3 from 3-0 up to a 10-man Man City in the FA Cup, the list is endless.
Crissybwoy
ItalianYiddo, this is where we really have to change our mentality. We should always "realistically" be going for a win against anyone. It will be interesting to see what team AVB puts out. Does he feel three points are there for the taking or is he happy with a draw and a chance for a goal on the break
In-spurs-ational
In-spurs-ational, Agreed that AVB is NOT a gung-ho type of a manager but a slow start always worries me. It tends to hand the intitiative to the other team from the off. Seems we can SOME times start brightly at home but rarely away. With Bale missing, not sure whre the opening spark will come from. Hope the experience of Defoe,Ade and Demps will be sufficient to impose a threat. Would be great to see Dembele back as I think he will be our key player (the play maker). COYS!
Critical_Spur
Crissybwoy, I don't know about the first post, but your last post brought back nightmares for me :-) If there's a chance to mess things up, Spurs always find a way - to dare is to do as they say
In-spurs-ational
love it what_sux... keep it coming son...
Yidmarks
Nail on the head there In-Spurs-arional. It IS all about the mentality. I can't for a minute thnik that a Man-U fan will be thinking they could nick a draw here and a draw there. Bet they and their players always think how many goals they will win by. We are not Man-U (YET) but the mindset has to be groomed that way.
Critical_Spur
In-spurs-ational, "to dare is to don't" would be far more apt, sadly.
Crissybwoy
Critical_Spur, absolutely. Only the most loyal (or deluded) fan thinks we are going to win all our games. However for each single game, we must believe we can win it. After all if you don't think you are going to win then you probably won't.
In-spurs-ational
Bad taste whatsux and that first post is way below your normal contributions. For me, I'd love a 4-4-2 formation and a win but I expect 4-4-1-1 and a draw. Just the 1 point would be ok however a victory would really put some distance between us and the chasing pack (who've dropped points this w/e except Woolwich) whilst keeping us within GD of Chavski. Given Everton's ability to fightback from losing the first goal I feel that we need at least a 2 goal lead or a fantastic defensive display but given Gallas or / and Naughton will start I'm not expecting the latter option. The only time the 2 strikers have started together we initially tore Arsenal apart so perhaps they can rekindle that magic and not get either one sent off this time! COYS
bowerman
Tricky game, does baines absence equal bale's? Expect both attacks to target the left side, jelavic not in form and ade on the return back. I guess a draw is not the worst result, but I see a 3-0 win if a 442 formation is deployed.
van der haart lane
Every picture tells a story, what sux post's his message in that a young girl is on all fours, meaning we are 4th, drinking from a bowl, we will give everton a good licking, lap it up, his after match photo (should we go out and beat everton) is one of a good shafting, looking forward to us winning.
spu 4 life
What-Sux, you have been asked several times not to post images on here. some are acceptable, but other are OTT and you seem to ignore the fact that we have readers and contributers of all ages and also people who are offended by such content.
oxfordspur
Lol@spu 4 life. Good move what-sux but think carefully in the future eh.
bowerman
gonna be a difficult game tomorrow and Everton haven't lost at home this season. I am hoping we will break their record tomorrow and if not at least put on a good performance. COYS
mountainyid
I'm sure that our lads recongnise how important it is to maintain that momentum. I bet they were gutted when we hit a dip and were 8th/9th and now to come back with 3 straight PL wins, they can really send out a message of intent tomorrow. Ade will have learnt his lesson. Dembele back to control midfield and Defoe still firing on all cylinders. The team spirit seems pretty high of late. All good omens imo.

PS., And many were worried about Liverpool, W Ham and Fulham?!!!!......Believe!
Critical_Spur
Ox - no MOM for the Pan game? Demps by a mile.
Love totty
I don't think Ade and Defoe will both start. We only have 2 strikers, so I can't see AVB taking that risk. Dempsey behind Defoe (but don't be surprised given Everton's aerial threat that Ade will start). Siggs on the left. There may be an issue over Gallas given his domestic situation, so i expect Caulker to partner Verts with Naughton at left back. Another option is Demps on the left, Carroll centre with Dembele pushing on. I think AVB will have a surprise up his sleeve.
jacobslad
Feeling surprisingly confident for this one even without Bale. Assuming Adebayor and Defoe both start, I see goals for us in this game. Adebayor needs to make amends for his last performance and Defoe is in red hot form. Sandro against Fellaini will be interesting and hopefully the Brazilian bosses him. Lennon has been highly praised by AVB for his defensive work this season and he'll have to continue to impress against Baines while giving him something to think too when he goes forward especially with Bale out. All in all, Think we might sneak the three but wouldn't be too downhearted with a point. COYS!
TopSpur13
I dreamt we won 4-0. Had to put a quid on at 100-1! Yes,i know, I've lost a quid. Inborn have drawn more than anyone else so far and I'd take a draw to be fair.
Tottenham Hotcore
And what was the first post?
Tottenham Hotcore
Inborn? Bloody swype texting.
Tottenham Hotcore
Not confident at all...give me a point now and I'd bite your hand off. We're bound to ph*ck up, we're spurs, let's just hope for the best though!
COYS_TSB
Difficult game given we have played mid week and Everton did not. More so, with Bale injured. Only consolation is availability of Adebayor.I am confident that AVB will play both Ade & Defoe simple reason that Dempsey is the only decent replacement for Bale at LM. The only other possibility I see is, playing Carroll with Sandro and pushing Dembele behind Defoe. This formation has some merit. Everton have the tendency to run over teams in middle of the park. By having Carroll & Sandro, we keep the balance in midfield and hope creativity of Caroll & Dembele could do the job.

In any case, this will be a tough game. Before start of game, I am happy to take a point. Unfortunately our next 3 games are against teams which are in good form - Everton, Swansea & Stoke. We have to dig deep in all 3 games and show character. If we can come through resonably well in terms of points, it should help us a long way towards our top3/4 ambition.
sydqcb5
I think we will be better off in a 4-4-2 with Sandro and Dembele pairing up. I am not convinced about Carroll. Yes there is some potential, i don't think this is a game for him yet.
asherthesmasher
I'm not overly convinced with Carroll yet. With blue and red scum both winning this is a big game (aren't they all), 2 games and it's possible to down around 10th, tight season this so far.
Tottenham Hotcore
COME ON YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN again :-))
Madaboutspurs
we won't still be in 4th place if everton wins. they'll leapfrog us on goal difference. just saying. i'm confident we can win this game though if dembele starts.
dazzwater
I see some big problems coming up for this game. Gallas and Dawson will not be able to play. So we need Vertonghen and Caulker at centerback. Unfortunately Naughton at left back doesn't work at all. Wish we had Rose available, I would feel a lot more confident. Anyway, COYS.
noone
A ggod test for AVB' tactical ability today. Everton play high-tempo, pressing football and so far this season we have looked completely lost when teams do this to us, although we have survived by the skin of our teeth in most games. Playing Dempsey as a nominal left MF leaves the opposition right wing wide-open as he plays mosy of his game centrally and doesn't track back much, a point not lost on Moyes from Thursday I'm sure. Personally, I don't think playing Ade with DeFoe does give us a 442 as Ade works back to gain possession and operates as an attacking MF for much of the game. I think he will be needed today to counter Fellani at corners and free-kicks much as Harry used Crouch against Stoke but anyway it all depends as to how AVB sets out his team and what tactics he decides to use. I hope he doesn't decide to sit back but obviously it's up to him. Interesting game win or lose.
Harry-Kari
Let's get real guys, in an ideal world we would go into every game expecting a win. If you are Barca, Real Madrid or Juve at the moment, I'm sure that's the case, unfortunately as long as we keep selling our best players we will never be in that category, so we have to be realistic, we are not going to get three points from every game away from home or even at home.

The chances of most away teams to go all guns blazing at the likes of Everton and get all the points are small, the chances of getting beat are big, result zero points and a morale sapping defeat. I would keep it tight, Ade to be our 5th midfielder, I would be happy with the 0-0 but we have enough quality to sneak the win. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
team pretty much predicts itself for this one. I.e....lloris,walker,gallas,caulker,vertonghen, lennon,sandro,dembele,dempsey, adebayor,defoe. subs; friedel,naughton,livermore,carroll, townsend,huddlestone,siggurdsen Mouthwatering scenerio of "Fallaini vs Dembele". Think i will predict a draw.....1-1. "come on you spurs"
82spursdebut
LLORIS; WALKER; GALLAS; CAULKER; VERTONGHEN; LENNON; SANDRO; DEMBELE; DEMPSEY; ADE; DEFOE. for me that's the best x1 available, being able to attack with purpose is the best form of defence and it does not have to set out as a 4-4-2, being able to inter change s the key and these guys can do that. Everton are a good side, but then so are we. SPURS to win 2-1 or 3-2.
spu 4 life
Just saw a stat - Everton lost just 2 in last 24 home games - that's a awesome stat. Last season I remember we lost 1-0 there playing a totally unbalanced XI, no Lennon - playing Modric on left and Bale on right and having no clue. We did cause lots of trouble and came very near to equalise last minute when Saha hit the post from 5 yards. It was the game that turned the season for us continuing on a loosing streak and eventually caught napping to finish 4th.
This season too we go there at a critical juncture in the league. Win this and go clear of the other top4 contenders- draw or loose it, be in a tight mix of 4 teams fighting it out goin into christmas. This will be the biggest test for AVB since United game. Arsenal game was more about passion, but this game is more about tactics - how we counter threat of Fellaini, how we play without Bale, how we play our strikers upfront, how we play with a injured backline and tired midfield. If we win this SOMEHOW, to me it will clearly be the best of AVB yet. If he looses it, there is nothing adverse, he will still have some critics to answer to.
sydqcb5
Attack, attack, attack, with the mighty Sandro defending the back!
pelebro
this is a huge game and test for both teams, im sure if there is a winner from this game it will be massive for them. set pieces could be the winner, coys
123spurs
we have the players to nuetralise their 2 biggest threats: Lennon will track back well to stop Baines' marauding and Caulker, Sandro will be in situ to nullify Fellaini's physicality..... Jahmene to score again methinks... good times.
Viyyash-Ramosh
any godd links for the match wat sux? Cmon the *****in yiddd arrrmmmyyyyyyyyyyy
Yidd Fein
Yidd Fein, best place = http://www.thefirstrow.eu/
TopSpur13
Lloris;Walker,Caulker,Gallas,Vertonghen; Sandro,Dembele;Lennon,Dempsey;Ade &Defoe
duckworth
Hi Peeps I have recently been finding this website better for links - http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=180385&part=sports it generally gets more links now than http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/index.html Sadly atm not listing the best links as Yes TV are showing United game, annoying that you have all these streams for the games that are on TV!
BerksYid84
look at man u 2 star players an winning 2 up, against unlimited funds £hity
123spurs
any good streams showing the game? COYS
acespur
cheers ts
Yidd Fein
wake up Vert!
acespur
nice to see us in feckin BLUE SHORTS again.
Viyyash-Ramosh
great save from lloris
Guernman
We will do well to get anything from this game - Everton look up for it.
MrSpurs
http://nutjob.eu/njtv1.html
BerksYid84
we can win this they have osman an gibson as CM
123spurs
We're playing a very dangerous game here, badly need Benny back.
TQ2Spurs
RIP £hity from RVP i love it. all they have is 2 ** players
123spurs
GUYS GO TO http://www.wiziwig.tv/softwareitem.php?softwareid=28&part=software Then go to http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=180385&part=sports Best stream but u need torrentstream software
BerksYid84
That link is Crystal Clear!!
BerksYid84
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/158008/1/watch-everton-fc-vs-tottenham-hotspur.html
TopSpur13
Ade needs to release the ball quicker!! great tracking back by Defoe!!
MrSpurs
We haven't stared at all yet. What is going on!!!!!
SpuriousLife
How are we not losing... jaysus
TopSpur13
We're being absolutely battered.
SpuriousLife
Ade has been poor at retaining the ball. He keeps giving the impetus back to Everton
philbill
Topspur follow my links from my post much better than firstrow
BerksYid84
They deserve the hairdryer now
TopSpur13
We've been under the cosh in this game. The combination of Everton's sturdy defending, good passing and long balls are keeping us out of the game. I don't think we'll get anything out of this game, hope I'm wrong though.
Fanman
Everton are playing good long balls, but they seem to be lucky, whenever the ball drops or rebounds, it ends up at their feet.
Fanman
Shows again and fact that we struggle defensively when Gallas plays. We really need BAE back awa well not having him and Bale out makes us dodgy on the left. Ade poor but we are still in it. Need to change something
thfan
What is happening to Ade ? Surely he is still not rusty from all his time off. Hope things improve They are in the ascendency at present. COYS
Big Ron
Dembele has been pants so far. way too casual on the ball and not closing down space in time. Ade has been average and not playing deep enough to help midfield where we're being out-numbered... AVB needs to solve the puzzle soon, or else... maybe Townsend on and move Dempsey to central-midfield, but do you take off Ade or Jahmene ??
Viyyash-Ramosh
Oh boy were we in trouble the last 15 minutes or so. I'd say it's a 60-40 for Everton, but we can improve a lot whereas I think they were playing at full capacity. Ade is not at full game form and it is costing us. Verts is not a LB and it is shows. Come on COYS! Get in there!
Jables
We didn't even have a chance in this game.
Fanman
I thought we did well after the first few minutes and until the last ten when they have dominated. Good battling performance as Everton are imo one of the most difficult teams to beat. We must not run out of steam as their players battle every ball...so far we are doing OK. If we can fight until the end perhaps a bit of magic from one of our strikers can nick the points. If players don't give 100% we will go home with nothing against this team
Forever Spurs
Good half from Gallas, some vital interceptions. Adebayor is looking lazy today, Defoe working hard. Special mention for Dempsey, playing well again, if he keeps this up for the next couple of months then he might even start to win me over!
Looking weak on our left and I feel there could be a red card in this game so hopefully Lennon will get at Baines in the second half.
thfc1882whl
We all knew how Everton would line up and the 'fighting' tactics that Moyes would employ so was hoping for some tactical genius from AVB, havent seen it yet. The problmem is our bench is not great - no real impact subs.
MrSpurs
it was always gonna be a a scrappy game the way everton play
123spurs
We are doing OK! Everton is a hard team and they haven't had a real clear cut chance. This will be a battle of tactics or a moment of brilliance.
taniban
We need another winger in. So as Defoe is likely to do nothing against that Everton defense, I'd say Falque in for Defoe.
dcruzer
Theses are the sort of games we need to win to show we are capable of delivering a top four spot. We could bring on Towsend to give them something to think about on the left even though I don't rate him but he has speed. Drop Ade if he doesn't get going.
thfan
I wouldn't change anything at the moment, but if Ade continues to play poorly, I'd bring on Sig for him (on the left), and move Dempsey central. Everton are playing a great all round game.
Fanman
I think we might need to withdraw Ade and get another midfield player on. JD has to stay as on current form he can get a goal from nothing and Ade is contributing little. So maybe Siggy on or Townsend and move Dempsey away from the left side.
Forever Spurs
thfan, Townsend is very poor. dcruzer, take off Defoe in the form that he's in? He just needs one chance at the moment.
Fanman
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BerksYid84
Adebayor has his contract, now we're seeing the real Adebayor. We were warned!
thfc1882whl
we can win this if we believeon are shocking team to play against
123spurs
Defoe needs one chance to score, that's right in his current form. But with this Everton defense and the lack of service from the wings this situation is not gonna get him that chance. We need another winger.
dcruzer
Thank goodness for Hugo Lloris. World class save that was, coming out and diving at the feet of a running forward like that. Brave 'keeper. we have someone very very special in goal now. He is going top make a few blunders because he is still learning but in a season or so he will be unbelievable.
chrishove123
We need Dembele to step up and produce something special.
MrSpurs
...and we're playing against the ref today as well!
MrSpurs
A very battling performance so far. We need to be a bit more creative and could nick it. Everton play like this at home all the time and chances are always going to be few and far between. Just need to show a bit more imagination in the last 1/4 of field. Credit where it is due though, Everton hae played better. You'd expect that from them, especially at home. Ask all the top teams that have visited Goodison!. Still thinking positive as things can only get better. COYS!
Critical_Spur
how is dempsey and lennon playing on the wings?
redknappslayer
walker WTF are you
123spurs
Who put Kyle Walker on corner duty...? Christ above!
TopSpur13
I will be amazed if we get anything out of this game Everton are realy hassling us and playing very direct football which at times we're struggling with.
MrSpurs
we are really missing Bale in attack
Big Ron
best team in the Prem... without the ball.... phenom closing-down and winning the ball high up
Viyyash-Ramosh
We're getting a pasting here, giving the ball away too much and getting sucked into this 100mph game that Everton want to play we need to slow it down that is the job of Dembele.
MrSpurs
most of the team, 10 outfielders, played midweek against Greeks, look tired whereas Toffees look like they have fresh legs
Viyyash-Ramosh
Is there any point to Lennon & Walker ? phucking terrible

Adebayor is a massive waste of money ,at least dempsey is both trying & improving .Ade don`t give a phuck & needs to start playing for the shirt & not just the money .
Plenty of positives but 3 poor poor players for us again today ,neither have been good all season & one only shows up when it suits his diary .
big cockeral
Ahhh seriously ffs, can Dembele not whip in a bloody set piece.. Walker is woeful.
TopSpur13
Why is he bringing on Huddlestone...!? Oh no...
Fanman
Lennon was poor, but to replace him with Hudd?
Jables
This is a very poor performance. Everton deserve to win this one.
Fanman
Huddlestone coming on is depressing.
MrSpurs
Is that a defensive sub... will the curse strike again... :(
TopSpur13
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TopSpur13
Big C, Yes Lennon is one of our three best players! GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLL
T.H.F.Chris
WHAT a ******** goal!!!!!!!!!!
DocHotspurs
That's what Dempsey will do for you!
Durbanspur
Dempsey you beauty
T.H.F.Chris
WE'LL TAKE IT!
TopSpur13
priceless goal
123spurs
COME ON YOU SPURSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrSpurs
We don't deserve to be in the lead, but what a great goal from Dempsey.
Fanman
Pure class from Dempsey, chipped Howard from 30 yards
thfc1882whl
The script was written
big cockeral
eat ur words dempsey haters........
123spurs
IMO we have the EPL`s best goalkeeper .
Plenty of man love for Hugo lloris ,sheer class
big cockeral
u wanted him out BIG so F off. dont join us F off
123spurs
GOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLl
BerksYid84
Fu(k me, but Huddlestone is slow - how old is he?
Durbanspur
The problem with Spurs though, the script never ends.
TopSpur13
lol 13 true
123spurs
Said at half time Dempsey was improving, still wouldn't have bought him but credit where it's due he's playing well and that goal was top drawer. Pass me the humble pie, I'll have a small portion today
thfc1882whl
oooooohhh siggy....
TopSpur13
That's a wonderful effort from Siggy! Deserved a goal!
Durbanspur
It's no wonder so few have been on here lately, so much negativity, a player comes on and sets up Dempsey for what could be a priceless goal and still gets $hit from posters on here, think I'm out of here too.
TQ2Spurs
Good riddance.
TopSpur13
Calm down TQ - it wasn't a malicious comment,
Durbanspur
bang bang
logos8
yessssssssssssssssssssss im in the money now sad for my team but they say in football money talks
123spurs
Classical SPurs! ***** this *****!
Jables
Forgive the negativity but i think it may be justified.
TopSpur13
oh no WTF, @ least i wont 50euro
123spurs
WTF
T.H.F.Chris
123spurs SPURS LOSE & YOU`RE HAPPY ? what a (unt you really are
big cockeral
who saw that coming? :)
logos8
Read a stat on Friday that said if games finished at 80 minutes, Spurs would be top of the league.
thfc1882whl
to loose this is just sick @ least a draw.....@ least im up 50 quid
123spurs
Both goals came from speculative long balls into the box. Unfortunnate. I think that AVB made some strange subs today.
Fanman
PLAYERS HAVE ONLY THEMSELVES TO BLAME THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD IT AROGANT
thfan
Gallas is our weakest link
logos8
yeah, classic life lesson when you have the lead in the 90th minute and you think you are going to win it.
logos8
Credit to Everton. Roll on to the next game.
taniban
I was worried when Dembele went off but I really wasn't expecting this.
logos8
Only Spurs
coys1717
That is 2 pts lost
BerksYid84
*********!
DocHotspurs
No one to blame really. Two goals from 2 long balls. We played alright in the last 20 minutes.
Fanman
WTF!
BerksYid84
i had a bet on both teams to score, if u read my post i was sad but i wo an thought it was a draw but then it was 2-1, what can i do. shocing to loose 2 goals like that at end 3 points wasnted
123spurs
can you adam and eve it!
mountainyid
I think AVB screwed up with the sub of Defoe, he always provides an outlet
philbill
That was in the script too. Devastated. Absolutely gutted. Losing the 3 was enough but not even getting the draw... heart-broken
TopSpur13
WHEN WILL THE PLAYERS LEARN THE PL IS CLOSE AND 1 NIL OR EVEN 2 NIL IS NOT ENOUGH TO BELIEVE GAME OVER. DISGUSTED WITH THE ATTITUDE ESPECIALLY ADE HE JUST ROAMED AROUND PATHETIC WORK RATE.
thfan
We did not deserve to win but the manner in which we lost is unforgivable. Do we have a defensive coach? where is the winning mentality? having lucked out with a goal we should have beenprofessional enough to hold on.
MrSpurs
Well I said if we don't give 100% all game we will get nothing. Before there first goal we had plenty of opportunity to clear the ball but just messed about. They kept going and once again the manager cost us by trying to keep a 1-0 lead and showing no ambition
Forever Spurs
If we had Dawson, he would've dealt with those long balls.
Fanman
Thanks for the negative subs avb. Well done!
01tottenham
Seemed strange totake Lennon off when both Baines and Osman were on yellow cards. Dembele was knackered and made sense but Lennon was a weird one. Moyes won the tactical battle today because AVB handed him the advantage with his substitutions. Had 0-0 all over it until Dempseys moment of magic, after that it was down to the managers
thfc1882whl
How many goals and quality chances have come between Gallas and Walker? Can't wait until Gallas becomes our number 5 CB, as he should be. Nowhere near good enough. COYS
peterballb
u loose goal @ 90 min, FFS sake u dont loose another, just another day of the spurs softie opera.
123spurs
philbill, could not disagree more, defoe rarely provides an outlet when we are under the cosh
Guernman
Credit it where its due. Everton were the better team. We played well too, defensively good. It was 2 long balls that did it.
Some say AVB did wrong sub - well I dont see it that way. He made all the right moves from starting XI to subs , its just Evertons day. Move on
sydqcb5
Oh dear we got sucker punched. Mentally we were switched on for 89 min. I'm blaming Hudd.....lol, as soon as he came on we lost the midfield. This one hurts. Well done Everton, they never gave up, but this loss might come back to haunt us.
thenuge
2 minutes away from the perfect away performance. Gutted.
StillRickyVilla
MrSpurs yeah unforgivable, isn't it? don't forgive Spurs then, go find some other club to support.
dazzwater
i wouldn't mind us conceding some late goals if we scored a few of our own!!
Spurs999
We could have used a Dawson or Kaboul in those last few minutes.
TopSpur13
There is a reason why Everton has lost just 2 games at home in 25 games. Its all down to Fellaini & Jelavic , two players who just get the team & crowd going. It just takes one moment. For us that moment was when Gylfi hit the cross bar. Had it gone in, the game was over.
sydqcb5
ironically, we were doing alright after the subs for fresh legs... 5 secsonds away from 90mins and were were ahead... but Everton deserved it, not so bad as were still 4th and have a fairly easy (on paper) 6-7 weeks in the Prem.... midweek game took away the players legs, we actually played well 2nd half.
Viyyash-Ramosh
That hurt. Need to learn how to take the sting out of games in these situations. Break play up with fouls, play keep ball, hold the ball up in corners, time waste, whatever, but we can't continue to cooperate with our opponents in final few minutes.
Guyver
Oh dear, what the f*** just happened? until the 89min I thinking we`ve got at least a point.
noone
Dembele isn't looking like the player he was before his injury.
Fanman
dawson should have played not Gallas. And why did Dembele come off? he was the best man on the pitch
logos8
The key moment was the sub of Dembele for THudds. We weren't able to hold on to possession after that.

The equalizer could have been avoided though had Lloris been more vocal; that high ball should have ended up in the keeper's arms instead of being headed back to an Everton player. I wonder if Friedel would have done better.
dazzwater
AVB out!! just kidding. We're still 4th and at least Everton move the Arse down the table. Yes, very gutted at the way we gave away 2 goals in 2 minutes, but hey, we're Spurs!
mountainyid
Oh and let's be honest here, if Friedel had conceded from that Pienaar header there would be a right witch hunt going on on here. Just goes to show how hypocritical we can all be at times, some people would do well to climb down from their high horses.
thfc1882whl
I could not disagree more guenerman his very presence causes the opposition to think about his pace all the time, so they hold back. Also his ball retention was way better than Ade the whole game who was very poor today
philbill
You got to be kidding me?It's hard being a Spurs supporter.Why does our team always feck themselves up at the end,and with that I think I'm mad,bollox
SilwalYid
AVB won the tactical battle today. We completely smothered them. It was the perfect away performance. Completely nullified them and hit them with the sucker punch. You can't legislated for 2 goals in the last minute.
StillRickyVilla
It is so painful to concede 2 in the last minutes of the game.
logos8
Negative substitutions. When will AVB learn. Never. When the manager has a losing mentality what chance have the team got. Seen the Mourinho documentary. Chalk and cheese. We are a top eight team at best. Pathetic
jonathan01
You got to be kidding me?It's hard being a Spurs supporter.Why does our team always feck themselves up at the end,and with that I think I'm mad,bollox
SilwalYid
Its simple. We don't have the Know how of hanging on to wins. Top teams simply keep the ball and pass it to take the sting out of the game, we tend to sit back and invite pressure on ourselves. Ade was the last player who we wanted to have an off day as he is our main link from MF to Attack. All in all some positves and some negatives. Everton is a tough place to go so not too disappointed with losing overall, but disappointed with the manner of the loss.
spurfect one
Dazz - that's a strange post?!! What are you on about?
MrSpurs
Boy oh boy we need a manager who knows how to make positive tactical subs! Handed everton the win. Caulker........LISTEN TO THE ******** KEEPER WHEN HE CALLS FOR THE BALL
01tottenham
We got what we deserved today. We didn't turn up and were lucky to be in front. If AVB wants to be able to hold on to 1-0 leads we need different players. We can't consider it with Walker and Gallas on the pitch. Nor can we do it unless we have someone like Parker throwing himself in front of everything and a striker up top that can contro, the ball and keep it so we can reorganise ourselves defensively before the ball is launched back at us. Hey-oh. Roll on the next game.
SpuriousLife
01tottenham, Negative sub ? So who was the positive sub FFS.Defoe had to go in. We were getting overrun in midfield. Seriously guys, had Sigurdsson scored, you would be saying the opposite , no doubt. Lets not get caght in the moment. Take it as a pinch of salt & move on
sydqcb5
lloris did shout for the ball heard it on my stream
haverhill spurs
Gutted. Once we started the punts back to them we lost possession and were under constant pressure. Ade did little except give the ball away all game. No good holdup play from him today. It would be Pienaar to get there goal. Another player that I liked but Harry didn't. MOM Dembele
Big Ron
Everton are good at the long ball game. They did it for most of the game. They can play a bit too. We needed Dawson in that game to deal with the aerial threat.
Fanman
Dawson and Parker available soon. Kaboul back in the New Year. The characters to battle out games like this and cope with long ball tactics like Stoke and Everton.
Hotspur 1882
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :-(
Madaboutspurs
Negative substitutions. When will AVB learn. Never. When the manager has a losing mentality what chance have the team got. Seen the Mourinho documentary. Chalk and cheese. We are a top eight team at best. Pathetic
jonathan01
Nine goals conceded in the last 10 minutes. None scored. Wake up AVB and earn your money. The three wins on the trot hide serious flaws. And don't blame injuries. Everyone has them and it is up to good management to overcome them
jonathan01
AVB's subs weren't bad and yes Lloris probably should've come up to catch that ball. Many of the players just played like the victory was guaranteed strolling around not trying to retain possession. All around poor attitude and playing from 82 mins on
shidyid
lost so many points at last 15 minutes of games, has cost us ....i hope now out world class keeper can sort out hes defense an organsie them better
123spurs
What "positive" subs did you want? What did Falque do wrong? What did Hudd do wrong? Dembele was done. Defoe does nothing to get or maintain possession - useless when trying to defend. Lennon looked done too. Which superstar was going to be brought on from the bench? You are right though, leaving on injured and knackered players makes so much sense. COYS
peterballb
By the way we are not still 4th, Everton have jumped to 4th
philbill
sydqcb5, top posts! Cant really blame AVB or anyone to be fair, this game was won by a fine margin. Move on to the next game.
taniban
we actually played quite well and had more possession in the last 10mins... like someone said, you ust cannot legislate for what happened. 2 goals in 2 minutes after the 89min is just 1 of them flukes... still 4th and we got a nice run in now, so enjoy it.
Viyyash-Ramosh
jonathan01, there has been loads of times Mourinho does defensive (NOT NEGATIVE) substitution and how many times had we mocked 1-0 Chelsea. What AVB did was not negative FFS. He brought 3 midfielders in and got 3 tired players out. One of the sub nearly scored.
sydqcb5
No scapegoating needed today.. its a team problem in which we struggle to hold off teams pushing for a goal in final minutes. Its a tactical/mindset problem that AVB need's to rectify.
Guyver
Yet if games ended at 80minutes this season we would currently be top. TOP. Getting rid of AVB isnt going to bring back Modric, VDV, Kaboul and King is it? In AVB i trust! COYS - Unlucky today. WHat the hell was Caulker doing BTW for the first
HuddersfieldYiddo
Haha! Let the idiotic knee-jerking commence! There was nothing wrong with that performance. In fact we had strangled them. Shame we couldn't have held on for that last minute. Oh well, thats football.
StillRickyVilla
@Guyver agreed. after Falque came on he attempted a low-probability cross from the left flank up to Sigurdsson, when we could have held on to the ball instead. AVB probably DID instruct him to try and keep possession up front but he wanted to try and make a mark on his debut. Subbing Defoe for him was the right choice, but Falque needs to be more mature in his decision making, something that will come with time.

All in all, it's a loss at a tough away venue. It's heartbreaking, but what's with the posters up there tearing into our team as if they lost at home against Wigan? I'm looking forward to another winning streak in the upcoming string of easy games. COYS.
dazzwater
Lloris called for the ball. Should have been left. Second goal was typical of Gallas and Walker. No clue defensively. They are always stunned when players run right through them. BAE can't get back soon enough. We need Vertonghen and Caulker in the middle until Dawson and Kaboul get back at which point there will be four CB's that are still up to PL pace. COYS
peterballb
I think that Everton are 4th.
Fanman
It's not the end of the world, it just seems like it when we lose on here. With a busy christmas/new year period we have games for the taking up until Man Utd the toughest test coming on jan 20th 2013, by which time everyone should be back. We will still finish the season in 4th or higher, that is certain.
spu 4 life
Gallas
Walker
Lennon
Adebayor
Letting the club ,the fans & their team mates down with constant poor performances .All are being carried by others & in January need replacing imo .At least with gallas we have kaboul to replace ,but Adebayor is down to just bad attitude ,he`s actually a good player & if his pay was performance related we would see more of the best of him ,but it aint so we`re screwed ,self inflicted though ,we were warned .
big cockeral
We have conceded 10 goals in the last 10 minutes of games, and scored 0. That is surely the clearest evidence that AVB's substitutions are not working - time after time. If all games had ended after 80 minutes this season we be be clear at the top of the league by 4 points! AVB has done a lot right this year, but this inability to play for the last 10 minutes is inexcusable, and the blame surely lies firmly at his door. Add to that the fact that we are playing the least attractive football we have seen since George Graham and you have to wonder if this is a long-term solution.
wemustsignaleftwinge
Sydqcb5, what happend when Lennon got taken off? They pushed their back line foward and baines was able to get foward more! What did huddlestone do today when he got brought on for dembele? Give the ball away! I like siggy and I think he should be starting ahead of Dempsey...... Everytime we take the lead the man makes a defensive sub taking of one of our top performers and then we give the game to them. Norwich? Westbrom? Wake up
01tottenham
Llorente and Defoe to be our front men come January, Adebayor can become our non impact sub, the bloke was a complete waste of space today. In fact he's been a waste of space since he got his contract, well, we were warned weren't we.
thfc1882whl
Must be gut wrenching for your lot, must be an awful feeling to concede 2 goals in the last 5mins. Honestly, thought a draw was a true reflection on the match, both sides kind of nullified each other and both sides lacked that bit of quality in the final third. But will not complain with the 3pts. Think people are being a bit harsh on AVB, pressure was always going to come when you scored your goal especially in the last 10mins, every side battens down the hatch, I actually thought AVB played a very good tactical game today, I mean cant remember the last time when a side came to Goodison and completely nullified Fellaini, Pienaar, Baines AND Jelavic. Just a lack of concentration at the end and poor defending. Anyway, good luck for the rest of the season, of course, Everton to finish 4th preferably though :)
Rob-EFC
Everton were excellent at closing the ball down, their work rate never dropped but we handled them well a 1-1 would have been a fair result but to lose concentration with only a few minutes left is frustrating to say the least - different manager same old Spurs.
MrSpurs
dazzwater, there are no easy games in the EPL mate. We were lucky to beat QPR and we lost against Wigan.
Fanman
Its how we bounce back that matters. Thats where AVB earns his money. Lets see how we do against Swansea & Stoke.
But we clearly need some bodies. Clearly some of our players are over worked because of injuries.
sydqcb5
Football is a confidence game, easy run or not this will dent the players confidence going forward.
philbill
If we were only conceding late goals every once in a while then you could let it slide, but when we do it every other week and its costing us valuable points then it needs to be addressed by the management, which it has not.
IrishYid90
We have zero chance of finishing fourth. Mentally we are so weak. We seem to find a way of losing almost every big game, most of them from winning positions. It happens too often to be bad luck. iMO it is poor management that spreads to the team
jonathan01
AVB has returned to his normal last 20 minute bottle it "come on and attack us", by subbing not 1, but 2 of Tottenham's major attacking threats in Lennon and Defoe! Dembele was injured but the other 2 subs came out of pure AVB fear! The only person on this site happy with the Defoe sub was of course peterballb, because when our outstanding leading goal scorer is off the pitch he cant score for us, which makes Peter oh so very happy!
pelebro
Also, Spurs aren't still 4th as a few of you have said, we have leaped into 4th on GD. Just thought I would clear that up for you :)
Rob-EFC
What other PL team with aspirations towards top 4 could mnage that, to go away to Everton score in the 76th minute, and then unbelievably to concede 2 in added time and get beat 2-1, you couldn't fecking well make it up. Stanley Park should have been full of footballs, them in row Z should have had to have helmets on, and we win 1-0. How the fecking hell does Pienaar score a header, who was marking him, one of the 7 fecking dwarfs. Our feet must be perforated the number of times we shoot ourselves in them.
Frank
Someone buy Caulker a hearing aid.....it's twice he's ignored the call from Lloris and then we go lose a goal
01tottenham
jonathan1, you are a pathetic, idiotic waste of space. Would you have come on and say AVB will never learn had Siggy's shot gone in instead of hitting the bar? Did you have anything to say after each of our last three straight wins? Don't recall.
ItalianYiddo
Taking Lennon off with both Baines and Osman on yellow cards was naive in the extreme. Sorry AVB but it's becoming a habit
thfc1882whl
01tottenham, enlighten me what did Baines did in both the goals. Did he tocuh the ball, or even made a run. Just because Lennon came off, you assume that there was a hole there. Its simple, Everton was going for it regardlesss of who was on the pitch. I am awake, its Brisbane 3:15AM here :)
sydqcb5
dazzwater, I was going to point out that pointless cross by Falque, other than that he did ok, but that was an example of what we were doing wrong in the remaining 5 mins. I think AVB made good subs, you could easily see the reasoning behind his thinking, plus its not like he has great options from the bench. Was just frustrating to watch us try to close this game out, because we were the architects of our own downfall.
Guyver
we all no we will be ahead of efc at end of season so i dont csre wnhagt u post. ur team sucks
123spurs
123spurs - fU(K OFF YOU UTTER (UNT! You're no Spurs fan! You should be banned from this site, and everything else related to our wonderful club. Fu(k off!!
TomYid
pelebro, our outstanding gol scorer unfortunately didnt do anything worthwhile for 85 min (nor did Ade as well). Atleast Ade was showing good hold up play once Dempsey got the goal. Overall our strikers were poor today.
sydqcb5
Now I'm gutted, thought we were still in 4th spot!!!
mountainyid
Frank ..... wait till you see the header mate, the Friedel haters would have crucified him for failing to save it.
thfc1882whl
biggest mistake was taking off dembele and defoe, as usual sends the wrong message and tells the other team we will just sit back with a defence that has conceded one of the most goals in the premier league - at least everton are a good side would have raged if it were against someone lower down
spursnoob
Italian Yiddo. Thanks for the mature insults. Soggy,s shot didn't go in. I'm just raring my opinion which the facts appear to back up.
jonathan01
AVB is sadly still learning about his squad and the league. He'll realize later that his substitution cost us the game today. As an everton player, if seeing lennon, defoe and especially dembele coming off is not a huge encouragement to pour forward, i dont know what is. Gutted.
whitespur
we are missing our back bone and still in the top 5, misisng ade parker kaboul, relax cream always comes to the top an likes of everton will be left out again simple as, ya they won today but we will have last lalf
123spurs
I can not believe what has just happened, absolutely gutted!!! I also can't believe so called Tottenham fans are cheering about winning 50 sodding quid after betting against us! Harry was right, some 'fans' are idiots and shouldn't be allowed to call themselves spurs fans, makes me sick!!
TomYid
Sydqcb5, he took off our 2 fastest men SO they PUSHED their backline up which ALLOWED them to have MORE possesion of the BALL. WE sat BACK, panicked and they scored 2 goals.
01tottenham
what the hell did i say tom, or are u retarded.
123spurs
The subs did give an impression of "we're done for the day".
MrSpurs
This loss is going to sting for a while because I just can't understand how we lost.
RagingSpur
jonathan01, I am all for opinions, that's the essence of a forum, but have the guts to also voice them when things are going well, don't just wait for a slip up and than put the boot in.
ItalianYiddo
sydqcb5, yes but Defoe is always a threat, the guy can score at any time! Having him there makes the opposition have to think defensively for 90 minutes, take Defoe and Lennon off and all of a sudden you can attack, attack, attack, without fear of the counter attack. We have seen the exact same thing with AVB time and time again this season! I thought he had got over it, but sadly he bottled it again today!
pelebro
I understand the Dembele substitution, the bloke was knackered and his contribution was dropping with every passing minute, oh and it was Dembeles replacement who got the assist for Dempseys goal. Although there shouldn't really be an assist for that as it was all Dempsey, probably the best individual Spurs goal this season.
thfc1882whl
That hurts.
tengboon
RagingSpur
" because I just can't understand how we lost." That is actually a good thing .It means just a couple of things need sorting but we`re going in the right direction .The right side needs addressing & a forward who is willing to play for the shirt is a must .(Not you Defoe & Dempsey )
big cockeral
01tottenham, fastest men ? Lennon & Defoe were spent force at 80min. It was obvious that Everton was playing long balls. You dont need 2 pint sized players at that time and you dont need to push your back line when all you want to do is play long balls. Fact is there was two long balls, one there was a communication problem between the 2 CBs and ball fell to their right back, who put a speculative cross and Pineaar heads home. Next long ball to Velios who gets a tocuh and Gallas plays him onside like he did most of the game and bang.
sydqcb5
123spurs - you are a plastic and a spiv and i do not wish to talk to you! who the hell bets against their own team and then starts cheering when their team loses. you clearly have no feelings towards our club i hope you choke on your winnings! PRI(K.
TomYid
Pelebro, well said mate. Away from home we rely on our counter attacking pace but that was removed today which cost us the game. Caulker needs a hearing aid.
01tottenham
I don't think I've ever seen that,. Get a point fair enough as we were **** but lose, no ****g way, joke!
T.H.F.Chris
hey tom, get real. i had a accumiliator on both teams to score in all the prem games today spurs utd pool games. im up money .....do our players so called footabller players care they effin lost game i think not. they still get there X amount no matter win loose or drawn. i won my bet and if u read my post i was sorry it was at my team. i have family to look after to extra 50 quid will be great for me an my family over x mas
123spurs
Sydqcb5, and where did those ling balls come from? Were they inside our half?........
01tottenham
@TomYid agreed about the idiot fans. we've seen quite a few specimens already.

there's a big difference between criticizing shortcomings and mistakes made by the team you support, and using words like 'pathetic', 'unforgivable', and, in the case of our previous manager, 'retard'.
dazzwater
Gotta say i'm a AVB fan but his substitutions today did us no favours. We were playing well and the players looked fresh. Siggy was unlucky with his shot but taking Dembele off was a poor poor decision. There is NO NEED to make suds for the sake of it but i think He should have taken Ade off and placed Livermore in the middle, or Hudd to defend set pieces. Gutted, truly gutted!! No MOTD for me tonight.
woodyn17
sydqcb5..... Lennon should have been left on imo mate, as both Osman and Baines had been booked for fouls on our right sided attackers. May not have made a difference but may also have resulted in one of them seeing yellow or pulling out of a tackle in a dangerous area. Who knows?!
thfc1882whl
Every one of us is disappointed. There is no point in blaming AVB. So what if AVB made wrong sub, cant these wrong subs - Huddlestone, Gylfi & Falque get us out of trouble ? Fact is none of this 3 were fault for the goal. Had someone lost posestion or made a wrong pass which led to the goal, there is a merit in the argument of wrong sub. Assuming Defoe & Lennon was in, can anyone say for sure Everton would not have tried long balls ? Its just one of those games. We need to learn from it and move on.
sydqcb5
Maybe we should give credit to Everton for battering us into submission .
Whilst 3 days ago we were playing for Europa qualification & succeeding with a fine performance ,they had their feet up reserving their energy for todays game .

It`s not a case of Spurs being tired ,but more Everton being that little more sharper than us .Small margins & the fact we did so well for 80 minutes ,but flagged in the last 5 says they had that little extra & were at home .

last season we threw the Europa cup & ended up with nothing ,at least this season we`re trying for everything ,it`s still open .But when one team has more rest than another ,it clearly shows
big cockeral
Italian Yiddo. I do criticise them when things are going well because frankly I don't think we have played well all season and I worry about where we are going. I see no structure in our play. The Liverpool performance was far worse than this, we managed to get away with that one though. I just want us to be a be more positive and mentally stronger. And that starts with the manager
jonathan01
Leave it to a Toffee to give tis game some perspective... great post ROB-EFC
tengboon
@bigc but adebayor does chase down the ball quite a lot. i don't really see a lack of effort on his part. what i did see was that he and defoe haven't traded a single pass all game long. we have two strikers but no strike partnership. is the problem tactical, or are they not on speaking terms on the training ground, etc.
dazzwater
sorry like i said if u read my post......... i won a accumilator not just this game ...i was sad we lost but after result i won some money...i wasnt betting against my tream i love, i betted both teams to score just as i did in the pool an city game. and i amy so gutted we ddint get a point, all i was saying i won some money from these 3 games.......looks like i got my predictions right , so F u, dont be jealous
123spurs
01tottenham, pelebro the fact that I can bring up several games where Lennon, Defoe and even Bale played the full 90mins and yet we still struggled and conceded in the final few min's suggest you're barking up the wrong tree. The personnel on the pitch at 88mins was good enough to see out the game, the players just need to learn how to close a game out, an area the manager NEEDS to look into.
Guyver
Anyway guys, long way to go. I hope we get our key players back. Still we are punching above our weights. Arsenal, Everton, WBA all are playing with their full squad, while we have 5 unfit first team starters. So there is ground for optimism.
Good night
sydqcb5
Whatever we comment here, one thing is clear, esp.you cannot lose the game in the final minute...sth with the psychic is very wrong here...
tottenhamgg
there's a big difference between criticizing shortcomings and mistakes made by the team you support, and using words like 'pathetic', 'unforgivable', 'retard', 'incompetent', etc. i'll use those words when trolling on a gooner forum, but never on my own team.
dazzwater
For those that haven"t seen the goals - LLoris could have done better for the first and Gallas was standing with his arm in the air for the second when if he had actually moved his old ass Jelavic would have been OS!!! Gallas is a sub at best (granted we had no other option today)
woodyn17
My observations - Once again we look fragile with long balls when Dawson is not in the side and Gallas is for me it is proof we need Dawson in our squad for these types of games but he is injured and we are wearing thin in CD with regards to a player that can cope with long balls.

Twice Defoe has not looked as sharpe when Ade is on the pitch. He looks lame not enough space for him to make those runs, is it that we have been seeing a Defoe in a role that suits him better having more room to run into rather than playing with Ade who takes that space.

For me Ade drives me bonkers, he has done nothing this season and is lazy and absolutely poor at holding the ball up. Towards the end when we were one up he just did nothing to help the team. I really hope we get a striker who can complement Defoe and Ade becomes third or fourth choice to up himself.

Dembele is not on his game and without him on his game we struggle in the centre. However, I still think we need that special CM and maybe Dembele and Dempsey can fight it out to play behind the striker.

Next point Vertonghen is not a natural LB and it shows he needs to play in the middle we need BAE back and we need a replacement for when he is injured, we do not need to keep playing Vertonghen out of position.

Substitutions I was ok with Lennon as he wasn't get much luck going forward but I was disappointed with Defoe although he had a poor game but I think due to Ade taking the space and not doing anything with it. I think Ade should have come off and let Defoe have a bot of space to see if he could create something.

GK Lloris is doing well. He may have done better with their first goal but overall I think he is doing fine.

The problem today was lack of work rate and attitude from the players especially after going one nil up. They need to understand that they are not Real madrid or barcelona who can hold on to a narrow lead comfortably and that there are no easy games in the PL and therefore a one nil lead or even two nil lead proves nothing until the final whistle has gone.

We have done this in games when we have been comfortable we just don't seem to want to score any more goals unless Defoe gets the ball. Our midfield and defence drop off and stop working and so does our strikers other than Defoe as he always wants to score.

I said it earlier, the players have themselves to blame and it is a shame because winning today away from home against a good organised Everton team would have shown intent. Last week fans were laughing at Chelsea and Arsenal poor runs now they are back in it.
thfan
Can someone clarify if Dembele got injured or was just knackered? And I only have two words to describe how I'm feeling about the result '******** Gutted''.
Jantheman
Pretty gutting loss. still need that top top striker. Jan' window couldn't come fast enough.
82spursdebut
our last game was thurs night at home, and now we are tied. now we are tired. a game sunday, dont make me laugh, FFS how much are these players getting and they are tired.
123spurs
If Barcelona was playing Spurs & someone gave me £100 to bet ....
I still couldn`t bet on Barcelona to win ,i don`t like mixed emotions .

I only bet on 2 teams ..SPURS & TOTTENHAM
big cockeral
123spurs - let me remind you and everyone else of your post after Jelevic scored..... ''yessssssssssssssssssssss im in the money now sad for my team but they say in football money talks''...... Now me and any other real fan was absolutely fu(king gutted at the end of that game, but you're cheering!!!!! and you tell me to 'get real' what a w@nker!!!
TomYid
Rob EFC, good post. It takes an Everton fan to come on here and speak some sense. I agree with you. Thought we completely nullified all your usual threats and that AVB played a great tactical game. We had strangled you and Dempsey's sucker punch would have been the perfect smash and grab away performance. Wouldn't have begrudged Everton a point but to concede twice in the final minute was heart-breaking! I have absolutely no problems with where we are headed, i get more and more confidence in AVB as each match goes by. So do the fans, the chants of "AVB's blue & white army" was coming through loud and clear through the laptop!! Now i'm out of here so i don't have to read the idiot knee-jerkers!! Bring on the next game.
StillRickyVilla
Guyver, baines was on a yellow card! Avb should have instructed the team to play down the right and tempt baines into a tackle. Taking him and Defoe off allowed them to relax and keep hold of possesion. I agree their are times Lennon and DEfoe should be taken off but do we not rely on our counter attacking pace away from home?
01tottenham
jonathan01, first of all I apologise for the outburst, it was the anger at losing a game that seemed won. I think AVB is a good proactive coach, just remember that he's doing what he believes to be right, he's not taking the easy way out. He will get some right and some wrong, it will take time to shape the team to his way of playing.
ItalianYiddo
We are playing with a makeshift defence at the moment. Verts is struggling at left-back, Caulker isn't listening to the keeper's calls and Walker and Gallas aren't playing well together. We really needed Dawson in that game. I think its unfair to blame AVB for the loss today. Even Huddlestone did ok when he came on. It was the defence that let us down in failing to clear the long balls.
Fanman
big cockeral - agreed mate... some people just want a good fu(king smack i'm afraid! Totally unbelievable mate.
TomYid
think we're still in for Moutinho? i certainly hope so. and a striker too of course.
dazzwater
82spursdebut. Do you think Levy will get his cheque book out in January or do it on te cheap. Unfortunately, I know which I think
jonathan01
maybe you did....the bet was more than 400 to 1 after we had scores
tottenhamgg
AVB did not lose this game people. We were 0-1 up at 90 min after all 3 substitutions. Our defence fell asleep, and their persistence paid off, with a bit of luck it must be said. But luck is created after all. We'll bounce back.
tengboon
Finally it is not a crisis. AVB is still learning about our players and the PL however, we know a lot about our players and the PL. How often have we said Spurs don't have players that can see a game out so we need to be attacking until the end and how many times have we said we drop off too soon. AVB will see this and will bring in players to sort it out. We are still in contention which is good considering we have a few good players missing.
thfan
It`s not about Spurs being tired ,it`s about Everton being that little bit sharper .
Spurs may have lost 2% ,to them it`s nothing ,to Everton it`s everything
big cockeral
Maybe we should of had a man attacking the player who played the long balls, instead of waiting for them to come in?
Fanman
Whatever pontifications and excuses we wish to come up with, we have managed to wrestle a defeat from victory away from home against a major rival for 4th spot, sorry it just ain't good enough, and just like the poor results at home earlier in the season, will cost us in the final analysis. Everton couldn't have played if the ball wasn't on the pitch, it should have been in the stand or out of the ground at every opportunity.
Frank
nothing wrong with taking off defoe, they were already pushing higher and defoe then becomes isolated, look at what happened at old trafford. dembele looked like he was struggling, no way AVB would not have preferred to finish the game with him on, l was sorry to see lennon subbed, but don't think it cost us. caulker should have left the ball to lloris, that did cost us, nothing to do with subs, siggy's shot goes in 50% of the time, suddenly its game over and what a great sub. luck plays a role, and the only players AVB would have wanted on the pitch when everton starting chucking in long balls were the two defenders not available to him, dawson and kaboul. pelebro, your personal attack on peterballb, who is one of the few members who consistently writes with perception and good sense, is pathetic. defoe is much improved but hardly above criticism, while peterballb is one of the few members who has defended dempsey who was damned sight more effective than defoe today. the more you comment and the less he does the faster this forum degenerates
Guernman
u dont get it, right i should of not posted i won...and i a gutted we didint get 3 but not to get one is sickening, ill keep my bets to my self, my fault
123spurs
Dazzwater, nobody's in for Moutinho unless his 3rd party ownership has been sorted out. It's why our deal for him got shafted in the summer.
tengboon
everton ddint beat us we beat it an lost it ourselfs, just like chelsea an arseanl game. we only have ourselfs to blame. we have to be more ruthless we need to have a bad boy image
123spurs
Yes 01tottenham, we rely on our counter attacking play and if this was the Lennon of 2009 i'd agree with you, but he doesnt really ghost past players anything like he used to and simply wasnt having a good game. Siggy has come on in the past and has been decent on the break, Ade is no slouch and Dembele was briefly shifted to the right before he was subbed (exhaustion?) and he's capable of going past players as well. Dembele's the only questionable sub, but I don't know what condition he was in.
Guyver
123spurs Cheering at the end of the game!!! Makes me sick! Actually cheering!! I can't believe it, i'm gutted after that game, absolutely gutted!
TomYid
Italian Yiddo. I'm with you. He always does what he believes is the right thing and I hope he develops the team and stays our manager for a long time
jonathan01
StillRickyVilla If you can`t see how everyone is firmly behind AVB then it`s you the one with the problem ,not posters on here .
Some are nit picking me included but ffs are fans not allowed to pass their opinion on here anymore ?
AVB is going to be a Spurs legend IMO ,he`s getting better & better & i`m well impressed .But a damn shame about today ,2 goals in 2 minutes ? unlike Spurs123 ,most Spurs fans are gutted by that & just spilling it out .
big cockeral
123spurs - Can't you please stop using the terms 'we' & 'us' when you're referring to my club please.
TomYid
TomYid Why do you bother with him ? he`s a tool
big cockeral
Oh look!!! Another three points thrown away in the last minute of a game. FFS get a grip, someone coach them on how to close a game out for gods sake. Talk about slow learners. Maybe they don't realise a game actually lasts for a minimum of 90 minutes not 87 or 88 but 90!!! What a bunch of plums. Mentally weak team.
pratts bottom
thfan, it is bloody December not September, how long is this learning process going to take, or are we expecting the rest to wait while we get ourselves sorted out.
Frank
im gutted to, i saw it 1-1 until i refeshed.then 2-1...........im sad for spurs but for my wallet an me personaly im happy i have an extra 50 quid in my pocket, an these players are making thousands. believe me id rather we won then me winning. but maybe i shouldnt of said it in the post. sorry
123spurs
123spurs - i could pay you £250,000 a week, give you a year to get fit and then ask you to play 90 mins of football which mostly involves sprinting and direction changes, then ask you to do it 3 times a week, plus training and fitness sessions in-between and you wouldn't last the week mate. Regardless of your level of fitness you need recovery time. I can go deeper into the physiology of it for you if you like but give the blokes a break!!!
woodyn17
BTW this loss WILL come back to haunt us at the end of the season, mark my words peeps.
pratts bottom
Out of interest can anyone give me a breakdown of how many we have conceded in the last 5 mins of games and against who?
woodyn17
There could be a saving grace in this result, it might persuade Levy to spend more than his customary 30/- in the January window. If we had carried on our run he would have denied any need to spend, which is of course far from the truth. Incidently if defenders can't defend route 1 balls, then they are certainly not good enough, you face the ball, you make sure it is you that gets a head on it, it ain't exactly rocket science.
Frank
123spurs, I think everyone would forgive you if you put your 50 quid into a ticket to WHL for Swansea match, and not blow it on your hackney deale for more gear
tengboon
123spurs - YOU'RE AN IDIOT!
TomYid
Spurs fans calling fellow Spurs fans idiots - I can hear Harry Redknapp laughing from here.
MrSpurs
This conceding late is becoming a pattern that needs addressing .

But we won 5 in a row & lost today ,can`t really fault that .But like has already been said , conceding late is becoming an unwanted trend .Maybe it`s down to not having the right subs ,we may need more like for like players to keep the same system & shape .

Levy get spending in January please .
big cockeral
TomYid +1
big cockeral
IT`s HARRY V JOL next week

Who you routing for ? C`mon Fulham
big cockeral
BC - so the answer to our problems is spend money. Whatever happened to coaching, managing and training. If the answer is to throw money at it then the managers role is almost pointless.
MrSpurs
Got my ticket for Stoke at home, Park Lane Block 35.
TomYid
wood. i have done that without the pay, an a part time job an also been in college, training an playin matches every weekend. look at the GAA players in oreland, full time job 9-5 then training 3 times a week an them a game at weekend, end off so dont tell me i dont what what im talking about
123spurs
MrSpurs - I'm not calling fellow spurs fans idiots, i think it's quite clear that 123spurs is NOT a Spurs fan, not my type of fan anyway!! Real fans don't cheer when the other team wins, it's not difficult to work that out!
TomYid
tom yid u just understand u fool
123spurs
big c is still obsessed with arry...i think he fancys him
123spurs
Is 123spurs for real or is this a wind up???....
TomYid
TomYid - Well 123 claims to be a Spurs fan and this is the type of idiot that HR was referring too.
MrSpurs
123spurs - WHAT??? What was that supposed to say you thi(k ****??? your last post doesn't even make sense!!! Fu(k me, what a kn0b!!!
TomYid
Norwich in 12th is only 4 points off of Everton in 4th. We need to start getting serious about closing out these matches in the last 10 minutes!!
tengboon
well done everton (bravo)
the_blues
I've just got back from Goodison where I was sat with the Evertonians and the dog's abuse they were giving their team was testament to the way we contained them for the 88 minutes. Dempsey was superb and Adebayor worked much harder than Defoe though his touch was woeful. Easy to blame AVB for the subs, but actually the players let themselves and him down today.
Love totty
i said i was sorry for cheering but u guess u didnt read that an i made a mistake which i pointed out, had afew drink an got carried away now pls get over it, im here longer them you an im spurs through an through as every one on here
123spurs
MrSpurs It`s not about throwing money at a problem that does not exist .That`s what Chelsea & manchester City do

But Spurs need to consolidate their position ,no choice .Newcastle bought Papi$$ Cisse last January WOW we need to sign that impact player (or 2 ) .This squad will not get 4th imo ,unless others implode & let us in .

Spurs need to to consolidate their position & that can only be done with at least 3 important signings . Moutinho :) Willian & Lloreente will do nice

But either way ,Lennon & Adebayor need competition & Sandro & Dembele despite being brilliant ,need help . Siggy & Livermore are way off
big cockeral
tom ur new here, u will learn, trust me
123spurs
MrSpurs - i'd have to agree with arry then in that case. you tell me how many true football fans cheer when their team gets beat?? who gives a fu(k about 50 quid, Tottenham comes before just about everything, money doesn't EVER come into it!!! 50 quid!! dear o dear!!
TomYid
adv is a talkative man , advice him to stop comparaing tottenham with the best london club CHELSEA
the_blues
adv is a talkative man , advice him to stop comparaing tottenham with the best london club CHELSEA
the_blues
adv is a talkative man , advice him to stop comparaing tottenham with the best london club CHELSEA
the_blues
123spurs - 'spurs through and through' dont make me laugh, you're an embarrassment to my club.
TomYid
123spurs - learn what exactly?
TomYid
all i said was that i wont 50 quid as it was 1-1 at time,an I THOUGHT IT WAS A DRAW so i said at least won 50 quid from it, get over it dont be jealous and dont follow the banwagon guys on here.
123spurs
Good battling performance against a side that hadn't lost at home for 11 matches previously. We managed to stifle them for the majority of the game, which is because AVB is tactically sound. Decent team selection, sensible subs lack of concentration late on cost us nothing else. This negativity from the usual suspects is easy to ignore as their posts highlight their lack of football knowledge and general lack of intellect.
judge
learn exactly my point ur new here, bare with me.
123spurs
TomYid - Yeah I agree I cant understand it myself.
MrSpurs
123spurs - once again let me remind you of your post........''yessssssssssssssssssssss im in the money now sad for my team but they say in football money talks''........ You're an @rsehole!
TomYid
Before Dempsey scored his "lucky" goal, I was glad if we managed to control a 0x0 scoreline. My opinion is that Spurs were poor with their ball passing and their defense was giving the ball back to Everton almost everytime. Everton deserved to i because they wanted it. It is sad to acknowledge that Tottenham is still a mystery when talking top four as they are not delivering consistent performance after consistent performance. It really hurts losing or drawing matches as we have been doing, always conceding in the last 8 or 5 minutes. Tonight was just the extreme symptom of an already know illness. Seems that another decent CH is much more needed than a CF for Spurs.
AlexSpur
AlexSpur Kaboul is a massive loss ,anyone know when he`s coming back ?
Massive fan of Kaboul & BAE ,not so much Parker ,prefer Sandro tbh
big cockeral
BC - Lioriente, Moutinho, Willian... dont hold your breath and even if we did have these players we probably would have still conceeded two in the final 2 minutes against Everton.
MrSpurs
ok tom i went ott. i was saying as in money talks i won a bet "which was both teams to score" just like spurs v chelsea n spurs v arsenal an spurs v panok) now tell me if u had both teams to score im sure ur wallet would be a lot healthier just like mine as i said i should not of said it but u had to bring it up again
123spurs
@all of u haahaaaa , tottenhurt disgrace
the_blues
123spurs - nobody likes you, everyone thinks you're a pri(k, and no one thinks your a proper fan....... But hey, least you won 50 quid by betting against spurs.
TomYid
pathetic!
TomYid
the_blues - your boys played well today Everton we're good.
MrSpurs
the blues look at ur own club for starters
123spurs
MrSpurs ha ha maybe but they`re all gettable .Llorente has been dropped by his club ,Willian wants out ,& Moutinho was lamost a done deal in the summer .

Or do we want Match of the day signings like L. Saha ,P.Neville ,Charlie Adam ,Nelson ,Pieenar , etc

Don`t forget the brilliant Suarez was passed up by Spurs in January ,different gravy .Need more players that make the difference ,can`t keep relying on a select few .

Hugo Lloris has only just come in the team & we`re already over relying on him .Best keeper in the EPL imo
big cockeral
123spurs - i'd never bet against tottenham that's the point, and i certainly wouldn't be able to cheer when the other team scores the winner against us in the 90+ minute. I'll keep on bringing it up too mate every time i'm on this site and you are here because i think everyone should know you're not a real spurs fan and you don't feel the emotions we feel.
TomYid
123spurs, I don't think anyone can hold it against you for betting that we would concede ;)
Guernman
I heard John Terry was at the Man City game with a bag full of coins :) :0:);0:);0:0;)
big cockeral
big cockeral - hahahahahahaha nice one mate :)
TomYid
@mrspurs u dont have money to buy willian moutinho lioriente. U re soo poor tell levy to go and see ABRAMOVICH for loan
the_blues
BC - This transfer window will be interesting but dont expect worldclass signings I cant see Levy paying over the odds. Agreed Lloris looks class, im already thinking we're gonna face a battle to keep him in a year or two time.
MrSpurs
the_blues, another thick (unt who obviously never did English at school!
TomYid
the_blues - if you sign a playmaker your side is gonna be a real threat this year and Moyes is a class manager. I hope you finish above your rivals Liverpoolthis season, come on the blues.
MrSpurs
TomYid, he didn't bet against spurs, and who the hell are you to determine to what extent anyone else supports this club. If anyone is on this site commenting then they support this club, if someone places a bet that both teams will score when we play, that is not betting against the club, thats just ******** prudent since they would have been right 14 out of 16 times this season. we are all gutted about the result including 123spurs, no-one wants to concede goals, but perhaps you should learn to channel your anger more constructively
Guernman
MrSpurs Though exactly the same thing about Hugo lloris .
That`s why i said we have to consolidate our position .When players start carrying other players they soon want out ,nobody should have to carry anyone .Some will always be better than others but the balance at Spurs is so one sided .

Bale V Lennon ?
Vertonghen V Walker ?
Siggy V Sandro ?
Demble V Hudlestone ?
The gap is too wide
big cockeral
the blues , abramovich spends more money on managers than we spend on players ,
ledleygomez
Guernman - Your boyfriend was cheering when Everton won, is that acceptable? Maybe your name should be Gunner-man! You're a fu(king clown too, I'm logging off now, too may w@nkers on here I'm afraid!! How this can be called a fans forum when people write such b0llocks and cheer when the other team scores... utter joke!
TomYid
@tottenhurt hope u qualified to play for club world cup , no where to see ur team am soo sorry
the_blues
MrSpurs I did hear somewhere Llorente has been frozen out
Willian wants a premiership move
And Moutinho & AVB get on like a house on fire

Harry got nearly £50 million in his first January transfer window ,he never mentions that
big cockeral
TomYid It`s you guys letting them win which is why noone posts on here anymore .
big cockeral
BC - Well hopefully Levy will do something but like I said dont get your hopes up I still think the last transfer window was poor given the backing that AVB required in the new job.
MrSpurs
MrSpurs YES I agree ,but the fact we signed Saha & Nelson made me think they had Harrys signature all over them .
Who wanted Saha & signed Sandro & VDV ?

I`m not saying Levy is innocent but i have every faith that Levy will spend the readies this January .Too much under Harry didn`t make sense like......

Harry Redknapp quote " The chairman wants me to go & spend his money but i can`t find anyone better than i already have "
big cockeral
@tomyid if u think u re good in english feck u n ***** ur english
the_blues
fine, just read 123spurs initial post, pretty indefensible
Guernman
@tomyid @tomyid mr english ***** men u lost so am happy
the_blues
the_blues

tomyid is a welcome poster on here ,you are not .So quit with the stars you inbred piece of $hit
big cockeral
LET ME JUST REMIND EVERYONE (ESPECIALLY GUERNMAN) OF A POST SUBMITTED BY 123SPURS, THIS WAS TYPED AFTER EVERTON SCORED TODAY, YOU'RE RIGHT, IT FU(CKING IS INDEFENSIBLE... ''yessssssssssssssssssssss im in the money now sad for my team but they say in football money talks'' ... T0SSERS!! BYE!
TomYid
Just worked it out me bad

the_blues & 123spurs are the same poster ,read back & you`ll see .He does this all the time
big cockeral
BC - Give Harry £1m or £100 he will never leave you with change so I think Saha & Nelson reflected the funds made available more than the players HR wanted but anyway that was then this is now and this current squad is a little on the weak side, Levy needs to invest but AVB must also take Walker to one side for example and improve his defensive game and look at the defense as a whole to make sure we dont conceed so much.
MrSpurs
Cheers BC.. I'm too pi$$ed off for this b0llocks so logging off now, don't know why i came on here, i'm annoyed enough as it is, maybe be back another day. take it easy mate COYS!
TomYid
the blues , one more manager till christmas , bet you cant wait
ledleygomez
MrSpurs

Punishment comes after the crime ,so lets see .
Levy annoyed me in the summer missing out on Moutinho ,most of it was down to 3rd party but why leave it so late ? A good deal that backfired .IMO Levy has done some amazing deals for this club & I expect other clubs to follows Levy style .League & cup double sponsorship ? clever .

Levy will make us proud in January
big cockeral
I am not unhappy with the loss today. Just in the way it happened. I sat down to watch the game, just hoping that we turned up for the match and hopefully get a draw. I thought we battled well in defence to keep the score line at 0-0 at half time and can honestly say that Lloris is a great keeper. I don't think he could have stopped either goal and I don't think Friedel would have got criticised either as some believe and believe that argument about goalkeepers is past now. My big question is: someone posted that if all the games ended at 80 minutes we would be in 1st position in the table, so I ask what is the answer to the last 10 minutes of the game or in todays case, injury time.
mountainyid
Gallas looked weak at times and the winning goal by the Toffees had at least something to do with his play. We need BAE back at LFB, Vertonghen back and paired with Kaboul at CB. That would solve a lot that has been leading to our leaking late goals that so disappoint. Walker makes me nervous far too often, and Caulker needs to learn to listen to his GK. Both of them still learning. But considering the absence of BAE and Kaboul for most of our matches, the weaknesses at times of Caulker and Walker, and the lapses and slowness of Gallas, the lads have been pretty decent in the back four most of the time. AVB has down a decent job managing a badly mangled back four. But our back four let us down terribly in the last four minutes today. It's more up to the physios than to AVB to sort out this set of problems. All this being said, what a wrenching loss today.
Total knobhead
I know Vertonghen has been playing, but we need him back in the central defense, not covering wide for the missing BAE. That is not his natural position and it weakens us.
Total knobhead
tk, I hope that is the answer, BAE and Kaboul. Time will tell! When are you flying out of NY or has it already happened?
mountainyid
I'm flying to Brasil on Wednesday. My apartment in NY finally is functional, and for several weeks it was like living in a cold cave. The worst was no water for some time, which meant carrying buckets up from the street to the 9th floor. But things are working now, but I'm eager to spend a few weeks on my house on the beach in Pernambuco. Looking forward to finding links to some Spurs matches that end better than today's. And I do think that things will be better for our team when BAE and Kaboul are back and in form, with Verts moving to the middle. Clearly Gallas is stop gap and he's past his sell-by date. Caulker and Walker still learning how to play (they may be good some day). AVB is doing a decent job with such a messy situation at the back four.
Total knobhead
tk, you don't need all that after heart surgery! Hope you have a good flight and get to rest up for a while in sunny Brasil!
mountainyid
So, Pienaar comes back to haunt us. I guess if it didn't hurt so much losing like that, I'd take great delight in reminding all the d***heads here that hounded and abused him while he was with us about how nice a feckin option he'd be in our squad right now ... but I won't!
SpursEagle
Does anyone know why Carroll was not on the bench today? I think his ability to hold and pass the ball would have been useful last 15 mins. I thought Adebayor was shocking today, a total waste of time.
jacobslad
Talk about live up to your name
big cockeral
Total knobhead Really ???
big cockeral
Well, I was optimistic from the time this thread was created and remained positive throughout the first 90 mins. However, devastated with what transpired in the ensuing 3 mins of self capitulation. Not blaming AVB at all. IMO he set us up perfectly for the game and I have no problems with the suns either (though on the nit picking side I’d have kept Lennon on just to keep their wingers in check). The defeat was purely dwn the the TEAM and NOT avb. Earlier in the morning we were debating the mentality of the team and imo that is precisely what has been our downfall in several matched this year,

I am sure the team (and individuals) will reflect on this and put things right. I remain optimistic for the season. The project is still heading us in the right direction, just needs a tweak with Levy’s assistance in January. COYS!
Critical_Spur
All the players we're missing are in the defensive half of the pitch. It's watching the boring dirge upfront which is causing me to lose interest in this season.
Big Chiv
no BIg ur wrong again ur obseesed woth me with multi names get over it little boy
123spurs
Not Happy :-( Life goes on. Let's all think ahead to the next game :-(
Madaboutspurs
i didnt bet against spurs tom, i had all 3 prem teams today on a bet both teams to score in each game, get over itsjust a bet, dont be jealous casiue i won an u havent, i bet on spurs to win last week is that wrong also
123spurs
@Guernman thanks for ur post. and like i siad i should not of posted yesssssss, was after a few beers today and didnt go down well.
123spurs
Nothing wrong with the subs today, last 20mins we seem to be in total control, Everton supporters going home 10mins from the end, they never saw it coming, Spurs supporters brilliant as usual. Sandro,Caulker and Loris excellent. And why have a go at Walker when as usual it is down our left side that our defence was weak.Remember,Modric world class is no longer with us and our only world class player Bale unavailable.
matt hoten
Total Knobhead, Caulker and Walker may be good one day, thats not the way i see it.
matt hoten
Thank you Matt! God damn blind people posting here about Walker and Lennon on our right, when every Premiership manager plans to maraud down our left with stunning success! If our right is as sh*** as posters here tirelessly blow on about, why the concentrated attacks on our left? Truth: Bale and Verts are bad together. and Verts whover he plays with there. I like them both, and I know that verts is a CB, but you can't ignore the truth and slaughter other players because you have so much feckin man love for your poster boys.
SpursEagle
What is the way you see it, matt hoten? That Caulker and Walker will not be good one day? Or that they already are? I'm puzzled as to what you think I've gotten wrong here.

And I see that the Big Cock isn't pleased with me again. It's nice to have some consistency in the world. But other than saying I am, indeed, a total knobhead, he fails to say what it is with which he disagrees? Is he saying that the lack of BAE and Kaboul has not hurt us and been a major contributor to the late goals Spurs have been giving away? Or that it wouldn't be better with Vert in the center of defense instead of filling in on the FB position on the left side in the absence of BAE? Or is it merely that anything I might say is wrong for BC? I seem to make him apoplectic in ways that are mysterious to me. He went quite mad when I said that Muamba Fabrice survived his severe heart attack, as though I somehow had insulted the medics who worked on him. (He was lucky to have received such superb care, by the way.) Speak up BC, let me know what your objection is to my earlier comments on this thread.

By the way, I cannot find "cockeral" in any dictionary, only "cockerel." Perhaps your name is not a reference to the rooster that stands on top of the ball on the Spurs badge. Have you in mind some other meaning?

Total knobhead
TK. Sorry, I meant to imply they are both excellent players. (already)
matt hoten
SpursEagle, what are you on about? I wrote about weakness on both sides of our defence. The problem of Verts filling for BAE because of BAE's injury is on our left, and Verts is not a FB by trade, but a central defender. Thus, the injury to BAE hurts us on the left side of our defence and in our middle, which is missing Vertonghen as he has been shifted outside on the left. As to Walker, he hasn't been a gem on defence. He plays well at times but has made multiple blunders at the RFB position. We've had problems on the right side with Walker, on the left because of the injury to BAE, and in the center because of the absence of Vert and Kaboul there. Gallas has played pretty well filling in the center at times, but he's past his sell-by date and we'd surely be much better with Verts and Kaboul in the center. So the weaknesses in defense have been on the right side, the left side, and in the center. I'm not sure what you're on about focusing only on one side vs the other.
Total knobhead
Vertonghen as CB Naughton at LB at least until BAE is back to full fitness. Gallas is a good experienced head. Unfortunately, anno domini is catching up on him.
Hotspur 1882
Thanks for the clarification, matt h. I like both players, but think neither has fully grown into their positions yet. If they do, both can be really good. But they're not quite there yet to my eyes. Caulker especially seems to be lacking an understanding of what the GK wants, which a more experienced player is likely to have. I expect both players to get much better than they are now, but that's not intended as a knock against either of them. But their lack of maturity hurts at times and should be mentioned when we are discussing why we leak in goals at times that we shouldn't. But your reply gives me a better understanding of where your coming from.
Total knobhead
Your suggestion has merit, 1882. I don't think Vertonghen is entirely comfortable on the outside. But I suspect that AVB has his reasons for selecting as he is in the absence of BAE. And I agree about Gallas. Good player, but past his sell-by date. We're gambling relying on him as much as we are and we need Kaboul and Verts in the middle. We'd be much more solid in the last 10 minutes of the matches.
Total knobhead
OK TK You have highlighted one instance where Caulker should have left it to the goalkeeper (presumably Loris shouted), Try and name me another mistake Caulker made during the game?
matt hoten
Don't agree Gallas is 2 seasons past his sell by date
ParkLaneBB
As soon as Hudd came on I had the feeling we'd lose. It was like taking a man off and replacing him with nothing. Hudd is a zombie, a big hairy walking dead. Negative thinking from the 70th minute and substitutions that left us with no shape was what led to our defeat. AVB saying that we must learn to see off games? No, HE has to learn to see off games by attacking.
hiano
TK, Bigot C probably thinks you're black, whether you are or not, wouldnt worry about his cryptic nonsense.
Guyver
Once again, a player we sold in prev. transfer window has shafted us.. we need kaboom and BAE back in defense... and then when Lloris calls for the ball players can understand him!! So some learning for all defenders, in speaking the same language literally, and in playing terms... We have to close out games.. way too many errors, loss of concentration in last 10 mins + extra time..
Block D Spurs
TOM YID - reading through these posts your making yourself look like an awful tw4t !! 123spurs don't even rise to it ! your making yourself look a bit silly explaining yourself ! so what you bet on both teams to score !! i also had it done for 1 each !!! grow up ! COYS FTP
South L/Derry Spurs
My god! What a total turkey this site has turned into the last few months. Never have I seen such a marked increase of posters quitting or threatening to quit & quite frankly I can understand why, I've seen more sense on phucking Vital Chavs!

We even get moans when we win, FFS. Some need to get back to planet Earth & start supporting the phucking Club. If all you have to contribute is bitching about things at our Club & nothing else, then Twitter is more your style, so take yourself over to there & do the rest of us a favour.

Ox, you need to do something mate, before this site is totally phucked up.

Spuds-U-Like
BTW, there also appears to be a lot of posters who spend too much time listening to Dickhead Durham & Gormless Gough on TalkSport judging by what they write.

Spuds-U-Like
matt hotten: Caulker has made this same mistake of missing the instructions from the GK twice that I remember, once in an earlier match. The lad is still a work in progress.
Total knobhead
 

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