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Why We Can't Win The League

Why We Can't Win The League

Sorry if the title upsets anyone but the Everton game encapsulated for me all that is wrong with 'The Tottenham Way', why it doesn't win you titles.

Having taken the lead with a slightly lucky goal we had fifteen minutes to close down the game and play out to full time. A team capable of winning the title would have ground out the win, we couldn't. Everton were the ones who kept going, not just equalising in the dying minutes but winning the game.

Its not the first points we have dropped from a winning position this season and it won't be the last. We can talk all we like about the quality of players, but as Moyes men showed its also about the attitude of the team. If you don't have the concentration, determination and discipline then the skill counts for nothing.

For as long as I can remember we have folded when the going got tough, there is a mental strength that has just never been there. Maybe its because of our history, the double side was so good they could win on skill alone, that won't happen again. But unless and until we develop the kind of collective mental strength that Ferguson's sides have always shown we will never be able to actually win league competitions, I don't care who we sign.

Written by jod

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Writer:jod
Date:Monday December 10 2012
Time: 8:32AM

Comments

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Get AVB the "right" players and you'll be writing a different article JOD. He's a winning-focused Manager but currently (honestly) only has a top5/6 squad, not even enough for top4 (yet)....*just saying
@Mq
10/12/2012 08:39:00
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Excellent performance yesterday. AVB's tactics were spot-on, completely nullified all their normal attacking threats, Everton fans were streaming for the exit with the time ticking down to 90 minutes on the clock. So so close to being the perfect away performance at a ground that NOBODY gets any joy. So heart-breaking to lose 2 goals in injury time! You can bet your life that AVB and the coaching staff will be analysing in great detail how we have conceded late on a number of occasions this season. We'll get there. Apart from the obvious heart-ache of the result i'm really happy with where we are going. We have a good run of 5 PL games now where we start favourites in all of them. Time to cement 4th?
StillRickyVilla
10/12/2012 08:44:00
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In some ways I agree with what you say, but I think yesterday can be put down to just one of those things. Although when I watched MOTD2 last night it really really *****ed me off when I heard Lloris shout for the ball before the first goal, only for Caulker to clear it straight to an Everton player. The truth of the matter is our players are a mixture of knackered and inexperienced. If you look at our back line they are playing every game - it's hard to maintain a level. There is no back up at all! Things will be a lot different when Parker, Kaboul and Assou-Ekotto are back. I really hope we see them return over the next six games. If we can get a minimum of 14 points from those games, our season will be nicely set up to push for 4th, and it will also put us in a healthy position when someone like Llorente or Moutinho look at the table before deciding whether to join!
Sebthespur
10/12/2012 08:49:00
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What I find most frustrating is the way AVB overcomplicates everything. He wants to show how clever he is and ends up blowing leads. Football is asimple game played by simple men I'm afraid and if you complicate it you confuse them. He needs to stop trying to be clever and we would pick up more points.
The Tailor
10/12/2012 08:58:00
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Good article Jod and I agree in parts. It is a mentality issue but I do believe AVB will be able to get it right but he will need different players. The problem we have is that our current squad does not have the mental fortitude to actually BELIEVE they can hold on to a one goal lead in the last 10 minutes. At the moment they actually expect to concede at the end of games. We need new players to come in and show those that remain that it is possible to close out games and hold on to wins. It is all about footballing intelligence. This is something I have spoken about in the past. Our current players do not have the footballing intelligence to make the right decisions at the right time when they are under pressure in games. It is not something you can teach players quickly or easily. In fact some players will never be able to achieve it. It has nothing to do with skill it is all about the mind. The great England Rugby Union side that won the world cup had a fantastic mantra that we should take on as a club. They said that in terms of physical attributes and playing abilty the top 5 or 6 sides in the world cup were all the same. The only difference was the extra 10% (what they called the 'top 10%') that is in each player's head. You need a winner's mentality but more importantly than that you have to BELIEVE you will win EVERY GAME and you must EXPECT to win every game. The key is to stop making losing goals and games acceptable and ensuring each player understands that they have a significant and equal part in the repsonsibility to ensure that doesn't happen. Not easy and will need the introduction of new minds more than new talent.
SpuriousLife
10/12/2012 09:01:00
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I do wonder how many players there are that really have that win at all costs mentality in todays game? It isnt just spurs that have this issue, but almost every side in the game
oxfordspur
10/12/2012 09:03:00
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It will take a bit of time for some players to get that 'know-how' to see out games the way more experienced players do. Lads like Caulker, Sandro, Walker, Lloris they are all young and are learning. Of course, the return of Parker, Kaboul and BAE naturally takes us up a level anyway, but the players out there yesterday will get there. Just takes a bit of time. As for the article, AVB has a definite winners mentality, seen across all games, all competitions. Its the difference between someone who puts himself out there as a winning coach of 4 trophies including a Euro trophy and a League Title by the age of 35 and has not made one single excuse since arriving at the club (AVB) to someone who can't wait to get back into a relegation dog-fight so its a no-lose situation for him (Harry). Its comparing apples and pears and am so glad we took the path we did in the summer. I am certain we will get there if this manager and team is given patience and support.
StillRickyVilla
10/12/2012 09:05:00
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How do you work out we nullified their attacking threat, they kept cutting through us to cock it up. Gallas hooked the ball clear for instance after a poor cross and Lloris saved us. We were generally outplayed but the issue really is the change of tactics we adopt in the last 10 minutes. We play a high line but with 10 mins to go keep taking off attacking outlets and bring on defensive players. So far it has cost us 8 points (WBA, Norwich, Man City, Everton) and a League Cup place (Norwich) where we also conceded 2 in 5 minutes. He has learnt from his 4-2-3-1 start to play 4-1-4-1 when injuries permit and moved bale forward and back out wide. Do keep doing the same thing expecting different results is insanity - Albert Einstein. This tactic which results show isn't working needs changing. Yes we are not mentally strong enough but if you play a high line for 80 minutes why then do you decide to ditch that plan and just all go and defend in your box? If you take off your outlets the ball will just keep coming back more often. AVB keeps shooting us in the foot with his blackboard (work in theory) tactics.
Med1
10/12/2012 09:07:00
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SRV I agree with everything you say. Our man has all the right qualities, but can I ask your opinion on what happens if we finish 5th or lower?
Sebthespur
10/12/2012 09:11:00
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look the fact is we got to 90 minutes without conceding at one of the toughest away grounds in the league. We so nearly stole the win from under their noses and I think we should be proud of that. If Sigurdssons crossbar shot had gone in it would have been a totally different story. Disapointing that we didn't at least hold on for a point, but hey-ho, thats football and we were up against a very good, very motivated and determined side.
wiltshirespur
10/12/2012 09:20:00
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are we anything other than delusional to be expecting us to win the league at this time anyway? I feel that 3rd/4th may be achievable, but equally we could still end up in 6/7th place, such is the openess of the league
oxfordspur
10/12/2012 09:20:00
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med1 we also did the same thing against united. were you complaining then? Yes we need to improve on that, but its not as though its an AVB-only problem, this has happened to Spurs for as long as I can remember.
wiltshirespur
10/12/2012 09:22:00
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To win any title you need a general, whether its the manager, CB, GK or CM. I cant remember the last time Spurs had that sort of influencial figure playing for them, Parker leads by example, King led by example. who is there to shout at the players when there not pulling there weight? Both of those goals could have been prevented yesterday. The first goal conceded everybody was snatching at a clearance like 17 year debutant, and why are sitting so deep in every game? We need a player who is prepared to crack skulls in the dressing room when things get tough.
coys1717
10/12/2012 09:26:00
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win the league ??? we will never win the league, nor any premier team bar the Manchesters and chelsea. That is the premier league chaps, it keeps the sucessful at the top due to the champions league money and the rest will never have any chance. This is why 4th/5th is the best we will probably ever do. Liverpool are the same and everton, I am well aware none of us will ever win the title in my lifetime. Welcome to modern day football everybody !!
jimmy-yid
10/12/2012 09:27:00
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Hey Seb, i always said i would give the manager AT LEAST a year before any sort of judgement can be made (If its proven that the manager has all the right qualities - which i find it difficult to see that he hasn't - then i would give them at least 3-5 years). This is particularly right in this instance given the loss of our best players in the summer, the huge player change-over, the injuries, the change of system etc. However, i am becoming increasingly impressed with AVB as each week goes by. If i feel that the manager has all the right qualities and is giving it 100% in all competitions and loves the club and the fans and wants to build things for the long-term, then I am happy. What more can he do? No body can say whether we will finish 4th or not. There are such a myriad of different factors, internal and external, many of which are not under the manager's control. But i'm sure this season AVB will get us on a great run at 4th AND a great run at the UEFA Cup and FA Cup. What more can you ask for?
StillRickyVilla
10/12/2012 09:28:00
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The reason why we can't win a title has only to do with the personal traits of the players we use last decades. When we buy a player we don't pay attention if the said player, next to other important skills like physical strength and pace and appropriate ball technique, has also the two distinguishing characteristics or qualities of personal nature that make the difference on having a winning team: intelligence and winner's character. Profoundly those responsible for rating the players to be bought or to be promoted to the first team from the youth, didn't know that. There is no other explanation. Even the world's best manager would fail if he had to work with players who lack those elements. If we want to improve, we need an intelligent, experienced and with a thorough scientific football knowledge General or Football Director to run for the club all issues concerning the game of football and, teaming up with with the manager, to buy players who have the proper skills and traits. The chairman/owner would only set up the budgetary limitations and, eventually, participate in the price negotiations if he was good at that. This is the proper way to bring the club to the next level even in the frame of the current budget and salary limitations. It is all up to Levy and Co.
Ioan X
10/12/2012 09:29:00
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and im far from an avb fan but this isnt his fault either. We have suffered this mental weakness of conceding late for 30 years. Its pathetic.
jimmy-yid
10/12/2012 09:30:00
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I read a nice stat this morning that if all premier leage games had finshed at 80mins this season, Spurs would be 1st!
Sherer4
10/12/2012 09:31:00
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Sherer4 yes it was on MOTD last night. Games go on for 94-95 minutes though so we have to learn how to play until the end, surely this can we worked on in training. Not playing stupid europa matches for a few months should help with fitness and fatigue.
T.H.F.Chris
10/12/2012 09:39:00
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FACT OF THE DAY: If all premier league games had finished on 80 minutes this season Spurs would be top of the league. Says it all really doesn't it...
SanchezSpur
10/12/2012 09:42:00
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Yes it does.
Moscovite
10/12/2012 09:45:00
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Sherer4 - I saw that as well! really annoying stat... If only we could close games out.
rahn DMC
10/12/2012 09:45:00
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lol Sherer4...
SanchezSpur
10/12/2012 09:47:00
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I spose looking postivly if we are the leading premier league team for 85/86% you would realistically think that a few choice signings in the right areas would bump that up by a few percent.
coys1717
10/12/2012 09:49:00
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Sherer4, if games finished at 80 minutes then we would concede all our goals between 70 and 80 minutes. For me the winning mentality starts with the manager and works its way down to the players. It is also vital that the manager is supported by the board. When AVB came in I thought the plan was to look at young and hungry player. We signed Dempsey and Ade, one because he was all that was available when Levy tried his usual last minute do it on the cheap dealing and the other because he was cheap. They are both decent players but also both pushing 30 and clearly not AVB players. Unless AVB is supported by the board, we have no chance. The things that concern me most watching the games are the inability of the team to keep the ball and the panic that ensues when we are holding a narrow lead. I am sure AVB is working on this. I am desperate for him to do well and we must support him but he needs to change the mentality of the team very quickly otherwise the top four will become completely unacheivable. We have to keep faith in AVB but he must be supported by te board. COYS
jonathan01
10/12/2012 09:51:00
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No need to over analise why we are not seeing out games. Take a look at the top two and possibly top 3. There are always top top strikers ready to come off the bench, when required. I suspect avb's and freunds dourness transfers to the pitch...especially when he makes substitutions.......that said he does need the the right ammunition, to be able to make decent choices. TOP TOP STRIKER......MR.LEVY..." TO DARE IS TO DO"..."IT'S ALL ABOUT THE GLORY"........football is about goals and strikers !!!..lol We can win the title...and had we got that top top striker last jan' transfer window, we may have won the title last season.
82spursdebut
10/12/2012 09:57:00
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This is going to be a bit long but I hope some of you will persevere through to the end and maybe it will help you to overcome the paralysing feeling of dejection which one gets of losing winnable games like yesterday. A friend once explained an important investment concept to me and what he said made such a lot of sense that I decided to make it the focus point of my life. He basically said: If you have an investment you might be sitting on a goldmine but in the beginning (year 1-3) things move along slowly and for this reason your investment might not look like much at that early stage. But because your investment is geared exponentially, in later years the growth will absolutely explode through the ceiling. The trick is to know how to calculate the growth on your investment and then to stick with that investment until it matures into your target value at the end of the term. The problem with most investors is that they become impatient with the slow start and keep on changing their investments which means that they keep on starting over and over and unknowingly repeat the 3 year slow period. Chopping and changing investments is the curse that keeps poor investors poor. Sounds a bit like Spurs with the way we chop and change managers. We might get some short term gains but we lose out long term by not being able to guarantee everlasting success. For that reason AVB must stay for at least 3 seasons even though I don’t like the man that much. I am living proof of the power of exponential growth because since I have been following my friend’s advice I am experiencing riches in my personal life of unimaginable and infinite proportions. Some people will remember me on VS as I used to frequent this site on a daily basis about two years ago (a very big Pav supporter – he could come in handy now for the indifferent Ade – just joking!) and I used to live and breathe spurs and had very little time for anything else in my life, least of all boring stuff like investments, gearing and exponential growth. Although in my heart I still support The Mighty Spurs with the same intensity as before, the big change for me came in the way I think about life, goals and prosperity. I realised that spurs was an obsession with me to the extent that I could not prosper in life because when they won I was invincible and motivated but the very next week when they lost I was dejected, deflated, miserable and inconsolable. Spurs were like an addictive drug. When they won, I wanted more wins and when they lost I couldn’t wait for the next game for them to win again and make me feel good again. The wins filled me with hope but they always had that uncanny knack to disappoint me when I wanted them to win the most. A bit like the Everton game yesterday. After my friend spoke to me I realised that I had absolutely no control over the club that I loved and followed with so much passion. Two years ago I too would have demanded instant gratification and success which would have meant the sacking of AVB because of his relatively poor start. But now I know that he needs time to put his methods, ideas and concepts in place. There is no such thing as everlasting instant success because instant success is exactly that with very little hope of being everlasting as proved over and over at the lane under both sugar and levy. Have a great day guys, got to go, investments to find and money to make!
neymar
10/12/2012 10:00:00
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we keep dropping these points because we change tactics.will we ever learn
topspur53
10/12/2012 10:01:00
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82spursdebut DID YOU JUST SAY STEFFEN FREUNDS DOURNESS!?!?!?!?!?!?! the nicest and most cheerful man in football is dour!?!?!?!?! wtf... his smile lightens up any room and motivates any player! all together now! I LOVE STEFFEN FREUND...
wiltshirespur
10/12/2012 10:04:00
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neymar.....methods..ideas...concepts...!!!!!...this is football !!!..it's a very simple game, hence the reason it is played everywhere !!...lol
82spursdebut
10/12/2012 10:05:00
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Conceding in the last minutes has nothing to do with the fitness of the players, it's all in the mentality of the players. Many mention this being a Spurs thing for the last 30 years or so, I also agree. However I believe AVB is the kind of manager to assess the detail of the problem and try and rectify it. I once read "to succeed you need to experience failure!" Also the article mentions 'A team capable of winning the title would have ground out the win' - Just like Man City did yesterday?? When I look at the Utd team sheet my first though is "Nothing special", however Sir Alex has installed this mentality that we need. With Utd's current squad with Steve Bruce or Harry as United Manager, I would say they would struggle to make top 4, they certainly wouldn't win the league!!!
yiddyboy
10/12/2012 10:08:00
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oh yeah......he talks lovely....never seen him laugh !!!..hardly gets out his comfy seat. rarely scored a goal for spurs. NOW..klinnsmann....he lightens the load. You can love him all you like...lol
82spursdebut
10/12/2012 10:08:00
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Neymar, unfortunately, the age of the internet has brought with it the age of instant gratification. In particular the over-analysis and nit-picking by fans (often with the benefit of hindsight) of every single aspect of the game is ridiculous. In reality it should be no more difficult than looking at the bigger picture, putting in place a proper long-term strategy, getting the right people in, and letting them build the club over 3, 5, 10, 20 years. That's the only way we can compete. Now over to you ENIC with the new stadium......
StillRickyVilla
10/12/2012 10:18:00
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didnt Citeh lose to a last-minute goal yesterday too.... they'll never win titles either I guess.
Viyyash-Ramosh
10/12/2012 10:19:00
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oh dear...viv'...your memory is a little lost !....don't worry i know that feeling too !!..lol....coffee helps..
82spursdebut
10/12/2012 10:25:00
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so far, Utd have lost to Everton and those 2 'small' clubs Norwich and Spurs (at Old Trafford).... won't win the league now then, will they........ Spurs had 9 outfield players who had a tough pressure-match midweek that they only looked comfy in during the last 15mins. Everton had the whole week to rest up and train for this match specifically. Spurs unsurprisingly looked tired and always less likely to win 1st and 2nd balls. Ironically, after the subs for fresh legs we looked the most comfortable during the whole game. We lost 2 goals in a minute after 89mins 55secs of the game; if that isnt a fluke for ANY team, I dont know what is
Viyyash-Ramosh
10/12/2012 10:25:00
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Why We Can't Win The League? Well of course we can the League, but unfortunately it won't happen whilst Daniel Levy is running our club on behalf of the ENIC corporation. It simply won't happen! The money is there, as we have not one but two billionaires on the THFC board, as well several other business partners in the cooperate world worth billions as well. Money is not the issue, because the owners of our club have money in abundance. Unfortunately the billionaires who own our club have decided not to invest their money to a sufficient level in THFC where the club can seriously compete for that title. It's that simple! So the title is not possible under ENIC with the finance they have made available to the clubs coaches... But what about cup tournaments? Well unfortunately we run into another major catch 22 there, because none of the 8 coaches employed by Daniel Levy have been given the freedom to express and create their OWN TEAMS. Players are bought and sold at the club without the permission or approval of the clubs coaches by Levy. That old classic expression "too many cooks spoils the broth" sums up exactly what I'm saying! We the fans have to seriously ask our selves how a tiny up and down the Leagues club like Portsmouth can reach not one, but two FA Cup finals in the last five years (winning 1) whilst THFC through the entire Sugar/ENIC mafia years, going right back to 1991 have failed to reach a single FA Cup final? Couldn't be anything to do with Sir Sugar and his apprentice Danny Boy, Could it???
pelebro
10/12/2012 10:26:00
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Crazy game is it not? Nothing to do with fatigue or mental tiredness. It was just poor decision making and perhaps a bit of the young man in Caulker who was IMO the man who caused our collapse yesterday. He is still young, we are still a young and new team. These mistakes are bound to happen. I was absolutely gutted with that result after what was a very good battle against a full strength tough team like Everton. The boys can be proud aft that defeat I would say. The only depressing thing to see was Ade who's first touch and self glory were lost in his own stupid head!!!!
Mix26
10/12/2012 10:30:00
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To me it is evident why, despite Dawson's great commitment to Spurs, AVB was prepared to release him - because his clearances are rarely effective. Instead injuries have enforced his retention; AVB has worked on Michael, and his clearances are improving. In the Everton game, we kept a clean sheet for 89 mins for a variety of reasons, but one was that we made clearances accurately to a number of different target players who took up positions to receive them. As we edged closer to winning, this discipline began to erode, and Caulker began the slide to defeat by ignoring Lloris' call and returning the ball to the opposition. He did the same thing against Wet Spam recently - two lapses, two goals. Hopefully just about now, AVB will be patiently explaining to Caulker what he did wrong, and things will continue to improve. Earlier in the game Caulker tended to err on the side of caution and clear to touch under pressure, and this is at least better than giving the ball away. It is not, however, as good having the presence, as Lloris generally does, to FIND the pass which will ease pressure rather than increase it. It is saddening the way we, the supporters, forget good habits just like the players, and as soon as things go wrong we return to pessimism. But we do NOT have a poor squad we have a good squad which, with hard work and familiarity will get better. We must discourage 'lumping', and play the Spurs way, to feet or into space. Get behind the team - this was an encouraging performance, several minutes short of a great victory. COYS!!
tommyharmer
10/12/2012 10:31:00
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Viyyash - you are right. You can debate the details forever. For every Everton game, there is a Liverpool or Man Utd where we held on. For every poor Gallas clearance there were 2 or 3 great goal-saving interventions. For every substitution that didn't work, there is a substitution that did work. We will always have our opinions with the benefit of hindsight. Arguing over the details is a mugs-game though. Better off supporting the manager and players in what they are trying to do. The rest is just football.
StillRickyVilla
10/12/2012 10:32:00
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pelebro'.....i'm starting to agree with you on enic / levy. I.e...i feel gutted that the new stadium completion date has been put back. The bricks should have been going down now........for the stadium to be ready for ...perhaps not next season but the season after.
82spursdebut
10/12/2012 10:34:00
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pelebro - you are deluded pal, you'd be far better off supporting Chelsea because they have a pumped so much money into their club and even won premierships, FA Cups and Champions Leagues. Would you like Spurs to be run more like them???
yiddyboy
10/12/2012 10:35:00
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82Spurs Freund never scored for us.
T.H.F.Chris
10/12/2012 10:35:00
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neymar, A good read mate!
pelebro
10/12/2012 10:36:00
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if anyone was to blame yesterday, it is Iago Falque.... he came on with fresh legs yet for both the goals, he was nowhere near the guy out wide (fullback ?) who had the time and space to put in dangerous crosses.... if Falque was there to harrie him and cut down the angle for the crosses the quality of cross would have been poor.... where the hell was Falque on both occasions ?
Viyyash-Ramosh
10/12/2012 10:37:00
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@ Pelebro - yes, Pompey won a piece of silver under 'Arry, but where are they now? That situation wasn't triumph, it was lunacy, and even then no more than a one-off. To compare what Levy has built at Spurs with the ramshackle pile of rusting junk that is Portsmouth FC is to enter the outer reaches of sanity.
tommyharmer
10/12/2012 10:38:00
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The Tailor. Your attitude is the reason England will never win a world cup. AVB is trying to educate the players on tactics and more complex positional/technical aspects of football. Spanish and German players are asked to make mental assessment on the pitch, and make appropriate decisions. Footballers aren't stupid, they have just been allowed to be lazy when it comes to learning about the game.
Tactically Challenge
10/12/2012 10:41:00
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Pelebro, 4 things need to happen for us to win the league. 1) We get the right manager in place and we stick with him for the long-term without any short-term knee-jerking 2) ENIC build the new stadium 3) The UEFA Fair Play Rules bite which effectively kill off Man City and Chelsea 4) Fergie retires and the new man phucks up United.
StillRickyVilla
10/12/2012 10:41:00
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thanks t.h.f chris.....yes i was aware he was no great goalscorer...thought he might have got one though !!..lol He entertained with his rants on the pitch and did cover the ground well.....but that's about it. I'm sure he has got a decent smile and laugh....like to see it more though.
82spursdebut
10/12/2012 10:45:00
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Oh and our 17 mins of play against Arsenal was due to the players being pumped up, because it sure wasn't down to 4-4-2. Ade and Defoe are not great together. We need to get back to 4-2-3-1 or even better, 4-3-3.
Tactically Challenge
10/12/2012 10:45:00
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Shattered at yesterday's result......how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.We do this so often it has beome a habit and is so depressing.Man U never do this as yesterday shows...they always fight to the very last second and have consequently already won the Prem and its only the beginnng of December.We have to somehow instil a stronger detemination and concentration to see games out.yesterday totally ruined my 67th birthday hen we had three poits in the bag!
wentworth
10/12/2012 10:49:00
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Consistency? Something we haven't got. And we keep making the worst types of substitutions i have ever seen. Unbelievable. Top 4? yes, Win the league? Not good enough yet. COYS.
SpursOne2
10/12/2012 10:52:00
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yiddyboy, When an ENIC Hotspur fan tells you to go and support Chelsea you just know you have the hit the nail on head! But seriously yiddyboy, why do you reckon poor little Portsmouth have reached 2 FA Cup finals in the past 5 years, (winning 1) whilst Sir Sugar and his apprentice Danny Boy have failed to reach a single FA Cup final in 21 years? Can you answer this very simple question, without saying something silly, like go support another team?
pelebro
10/12/2012 10:54:00
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avb is no tactical whizzkid......he's now got walker taking our corner kicks !!! The fastest player in the prem', a defender.....he should be covering the rear guard at our corners. To prevent counter attacks from the opposition. His covering speed would allow...more of our players to get into attacking postions when we are in the opposition half. Surely, we have other wiser options to take corners.
82spursdebut
10/12/2012 10:54:00
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neymar,great read and right in what you say.only one proplem for me is footballers win the supply of food{money} win or lose.everton was there cause.fans really dont matter to these lucky in life humans.every one of them should be sick and not training today after that showing but o know they have to turn in or lose days pay of £10000.
bazdog
10/12/2012 11:02:00
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result as completely sickened me!
bazdog
10/12/2012 11:04:00
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The reasons why we can't win the league are legion, perhaps the lingering saga of the new stadium, the reasons for it, and the main perpetrators involved personify this, but what is more relevent is our inability to be "the best of the rest" consistently. One of the man reasons for this is our lack of fortitude, fighting quality, and simple dour resistance and refusal to be beaten. That fiasco yesterday, and in other games this season when we have squandered winning positions, have been typical examples of our inability to see out games, to battle, scrap and yes if necessary kick our way through the closing stages, and preserve winning positions. There are many occasions when we should forget the "pretty football" and "the Spurs way" for which we are righly famous, and revert to scrapping, and battling. Our general defensive performances are not good enough, as shown be our goals conceded total, and our clean sheet stats, both of which would put us in the bottom half of the PL table. We are in dire need of a leader, a warrior, a battler to galvanise our back four, to organise and kick arse to sort things out.
Frank
10/12/2012 11:04:00
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StillRickyVilla, Those are 4 huge asks mate! Much simpler for this SUGAR/ENIC mafia mob to call it a day, sale up and bring in some owners with some real passion for the club we love... My god this club needs a change a the top! Then the new stadium will materialize and "my eyes have seen the glory" will return... ENIC OUT!!!
pelebro
10/12/2012 11:05:00
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82spursdeut we could always sign VDV and have him kick the ball into the first def again? I dont know many teams that wait for a corner to TACTICALY counter attack...
Mix26
10/12/2012 11:13:00
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tommyharmer, Portsmouth were always a nothing little club. The point I was making was how a nothing lower league team can have a richer FA Cup history than Sugar, Levy in the past 21 years. I mean, before Sugar and his apprentice, Levy showed up we were known as arguably the greatest FA Cup team of all times...
pelebro
10/12/2012 11:13:00
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I know that it was a throw away comment about winning the league, but there is a pattern. Since the bulk of the nineties, the title winners are either teams with long standing managers or teams with sugar daddies. We are neither. But the important thing is that no team has come from nowhere and won the league in years. You must be there or thereabouts for a few seasons, then pounce. The good news is that since Jol, the Ramos trophy and the Harry years, the right direction is there. I am not convinced about the AVB appointment, and have been disappointed with his performance thus far....YET for some reason we are fourth.... Have we created a culture of finishing top four? Arsenal have been a shadow of themselves for a few years, yet still finish highly - due to a culture of top four. Even Man U can look average sometimes yet finish top two. Can we keep it up? Well, we need Avb to learn how to use subs properly. Even if Lennon appears to be ineffective, he certainly occupying someone. Take him off when losing, and you are risking nothing. When winning, you risk your lead, and sometimes the game as we saw yesterday. Despite how many goals as Defoe has scored, he is expensive to the team ethic. Defoe should be the first man subbed if we are winning. We need to develop a way of playing when under the cosh. At present, we roll over and die....and forget how to play football. A good side uses the ball to relieve pressure. We do not.
TonyRich
10/12/2012 11:16:00
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82spursdebut, yep you've certainly won me over. Why go with the decision of someone who has been in coaching at the highest level all his life, won 4 major trophies including in Europe and practices with the players twice a day in the flesh, working on set-pieces to the minutest detail? No, i'll go with your opinion mate, you clearly know your stuff.
StillRickyVilla
10/12/2012 11:17:00
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yes Caulker should have left the ball for lloris...hopefully he will next time! But Vertonghens header was shocking...he's a very good player but needs to cut out the mistakes- the sooner we get a settled back 4 the better...
shedboy2
10/12/2012 11:17:00
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Mix26, true about VDV. His corner kicks were peanuts! But he was a lovely footballer, who would have work wonderfully in AVB's system!
pelebro
10/12/2012 11:20:00
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Players make mistakes all the time, some have consequences some don't. It is completely unfair to pillory any player for his bad luck. It is a team game, including the manager and he picks the team to play. The mental aspects are his responsibility too, engendering confidence and mutual trust, which is usually the difference between winning and losing when skills are fairly equally matched. For the first time yesterday I saw AVB make a thinking substitution. He wanted to take off Moussa who was tiring but instead of the obvious straight swop with Thud, he first took off Lennon to give Tom time to slot in and then brought on Siggy for Moussa. Did this apparent negative move change the team mindset even though it wasn't intended? Fine margins eh?
Love totty
10/12/2012 11:22:00
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and the praise for AVB is nauseating...honestly some of you sound like born again christians, the moonies and the Jehovah witnessess all rolled up into one....talk about having faith where no proof is available....
shedboy2
10/12/2012 11:26:00
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One of our problems under succesive managers is that when setting the criteria for signing players we seem to consider technical playing ability, silky skills, and to fill gaps in the squad, but it appears hardly ever considering their mentality, and their ability to cope in the caldron of the PL. Often we sign players (often from Europe) who lack the battling mentality, and physcal prowess required in England, where every successful club has a general, a warrior, a battler in their engine room. Where is our John Terry, Nemenjar Vidic, Vincent Company. We are in the same position as the current Arsenal team, "too many indians, no chiefs", the nearest we have is Michael Dawson, but unfortunately he hs the attitude but lacks basic ability. Any future sigings shoul be based not only on silky footballing sklls, but also on a "must win", "we will not get beaten" mentality, both are equally important. I maintain that yestrday's result ould not have happened to any other leading PL team, we are ust incredibly brittle wen the heat comes on.
Frank
10/12/2012 11:27:00
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Very difficult to criticise substitutions when as fans we have both hindsight and also we don't have all (or any) of the information. Injuries, tiredness, tactics, opposition - all things that neither i nor anyone on here has the first idea about. Love totty is right, its fine margins. If Siggy's shot goes in off the bar are we all applauding AVB this morning for his genius tactical substitution? The bottom-line is we are debating details in hindsight that we can't possibly know the answer to at the time or now. I wouldn't beat up AVB over substitutions nor would i congratulate him.
StillRickyVilla
10/12/2012 11:30:00
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shedboy2 I dont follow any religion yet even person with the slightest knowledge of how diff the PL is and the massive scrutiny from the media and pathetic idiots like yourself that AVB is doing just fine mate... you can dig yourself a hole and bury ur head in it if u like. Us AVB fans are living well above ground and you are welcome anytime...
Mix26
10/12/2012 11:34:00
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A football managers job is to maximise the use of his squad to gain the highest level of competence. man.city scored a counter attack goal vs spurs....last season....from our attacking position (corner) Inswinging corners are generally a better way of scoring a goal. it's easy to practice corners in training. speed is a god given gift. Avb..is doing a 7/10 job......at the min'..imo'......But he takes steps backwards. ideally...we require a top top striker....as said by me above. Had we won 1-0.....the two players that were ineffectial were Defoe and adebayor...nevermind the score. Thus.....had avb had a top top striker on the bench...........and not used a defensive tactical change when winning the game. He could have used like for like.....as substitution. Why make a tactical change.....when you are winning the game !?........if you make a change..when winning the game..surely it should be like for like, as best you can. Addy and defoe were off their game....at 65mins'...if only we had a top top striker. That's what i believe this talented squad is missing .......Mr.levy !!!!...deadwood out....top striker in.
82spursdebut
10/12/2012 11:35:00
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Oh wait we lost and now it's smash AVB time... sorry to ruin the party...
Mix26
10/12/2012 11:36:00
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Sign moutinho! Bale, Moutinho, sandro, Dembele, Lennon.......
01tottenham
10/12/2012 11:39:00
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So when Harry had VDV taking every FK and corner for 2 seasons u were happy 82spurs?
Mix26
10/12/2012 11:39:00
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Srv....Yes I agree about possibly knocks, tiredness etc regarding subs, but it is all part of managing. So far, Avb's subs are almost always having a negative effect. He does them too early. Often when we are winning. Every change may have positive effects but you must account for the negative effects. As I said...Lennon coming off means that the opposition need not worry about doubling up. The full back can attack more, and Walker - who is not excelling right now - is even more exposed. Do a like for like sub, and the damage may be minimised. Bring on Hudd however, and you uncover more holes. I am not talking about hindsight because I describe my feelings that I felt at the time of the sub.
TonyRich
10/12/2012 11:40:00
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siggy's shot was poor.............it should have been on target...not touching the top of the bar. When he approached to hit it...i thought he gonna score here. But instead...........he clips the top of the bar, never looked like going in...never made their goalie work. That said......he is young and has potential and is useful squad member.
82spursdebut
10/12/2012 11:41:00
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