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Tottenham Hotspur vs. Stoke City.

Just looking at Stoke's record this season and their past reputation gives an indication of what is probably in store tomorrow and I doubt it will be pretty.

It is fair to say that Stoke City represent the uglier side of Premiership football and are probably the side I least enjoy watching, such is their physical approach and to not lose at all costs way of playing is hardly what the purists look for in a game today. In recent seasons, we have seen the likes of Swansea enhance the Premiership with their lovely brand of football, and though I respect any team doing what they need to to retain and build on their status, I would argue that in the case of Tony Pulis and Stoke, they might be evolving slowly away from the famous Delap throws, but that change appears snail paced at best.

In their defence, with such riches to be had by simply staying in the Premiership, can we blame Stoke for sticking pretty much with a working plan. Sitting comfortably in mid table might not excite some, but with the gulf ever widening between the Prem and Championship, just staying in the top flight is a very healthy place to be, even if it isn't always pretty. Maybe, having a team that looks to offer a different challenge should actually be embraced instead of being chastised and perhaps we should look at how to overcome the Stoke way of playing instead of moaning about how we don't like it.

Stoke appear to be like every other opponent we have faced in recent weeks and seem to be in good form. Unbeaten in seven games, they are certainly going to feel they can get something at WHL tomorrow and as they have done in the past. If they keep things tight and frustrate us, they have a chance of getting at least a point and perhaps more. In saying that, their away form isn't great, with only one win and seven goals from their nine games, hardly being much to worry about, but if we consider they have drawn five of those, we might again expect a well organised and stubborn opposition who would be delighted with another draw on their travels. Last week, I felt they were very fortunate to get a point, as Everton missed several chances to wrap the game up and despite Marouane Fellaini's attempts to beat up Ryan Shawcross, Stoke were again fortunate to pick up their 9th draw in seventeen games.

Spurs will be delighted to see both Gareth Bale and Michael Dawson return to contention, whilst Scott Parker is gaining fitness after another 68 minutes in mid-week. BAE is back in training, but I doubt he is considered ready to jump straight in after such a long absence. Emmanuel Adebayor is a doubt after going off against Swansea, and I wonder if the return of Bale will allow Clint Dempsey to move inside and Adebayor will either miss out completely or sit on the bench depending on how fit or unfit he is? At the back, I wonder if AVB will adopt the same approach to his selection against a big and physical West Ham in bringing back Dawson to compete against, I assume Walters and Crouch, with Caulkers pace and strength allowing William Gallas a weekend off (or at least the bench) As with that game, I wonder if Jan Vertonghen will revert to left back and give us a big and physical back line.

Elsewhere, I think that Parker will have to wait a little longer to make his return and Sandro and Dembele will retain their places, with Lennon and Bale either side. In what I assume will then be a straight fight between Dempsey and Adebayor, I have a feeling that the injury Emmanuel sustained last week, will give AVB the perfect reason to rest the striker and hope that Dempsey continues his improving form. My team for tomorrow would be as follows: Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Dempsey, Bale, Defoe.




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday December 21 2012

Time: 4:19PM

Your Comments

get in there. will be a hard match, did i read that stoke are the biggest team in europe?
Yidd Fein
Looks like another 90 minutes of boredom, a few injuries and a Stoke breakout in the 95th minute. I imagine Stoke will be perfectly happy with our patient, crab-style approach of late and the way that they block the whole central penalty area will make threading passes through very difficult. Best option would be crosses from the bye-line but we only have a midget in the middle, although this could make it difficult for Shawcross to grab hold of him as he is so small! Very difficult to see where goals will come from the way we have been playing so it depends if AVB has some more tricks up his sleeve. A bore draw looks most likely to me. Hope to be proved resoundingly wrong.
Harry-Kari
the team above looks pretty likely.......although i wouldn't be surprised to see Gallas for Dawson. Just hope Caulker and Vertonghen both play, this w'end. Let's smash them potters !!......pred' 4-1.
82spursdebut
4- 0 ,
This will be AVB`s reckoning .The masses will awake & know their yoda .Greatness is upon us
big cockeral
Benny's been back in training for over a week now hasn't he? Difficult call there. I'd prefer to see Jan central and Benny on the left but it might be too soon. If Ade is fit maybe this is the game to play him up top against a very physical team, Dempsey in behind him and Defoe on the bench.
Kes80
Ideally I would agree with Vert continuing at LB, but with a physical side, I can see AVB putting him at LB for extra strength and height. As you say Benny has been back for about a week, but he has no playing minutes, though perhaps it is felt he doesn't need any such is his readiness, but that is surely a gamble after so long out
oxfordspur
Looking at the overall form guide ( http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2012-2013/form-table/full ) this game sees third (us) versus fourth (Stoke). However, just looking at home games, we are placed sixth (on form) and looking at Stoke's away form, they are placed twelfth. So what does this tell us. It tells us that I've got far too much time on my hands
In-spurs-ational
Hope Parker can play tomorrow. Get him back into the fight good and proper with this game. Looking forwarward to seeing how Vertonghen handles tomorrow. He's got skills, is composed, and good at reading the game, but the bean pole will be a totally different challenge.
oi.you.there
could be a good time to face stoke... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249334/Maroune-Fellaini-headbutts-Ryan-Shawcross-Referees-launch-clampdown-holding-penalty-box.html of course we don't really have a decent penalty taker though, whats the bet that stoke finally get penalised for their rugby and we miss the penalty
Guernman
Hari-Kari, the game is all about opinions of course but the fact is we are the highest goal-scorers outside of Manchester so not sure where your "the way we are playing i don't know where the goals are coming from" comment comes from? As for our style of play, yes it is much, much more tactical now, based on possession, finding gaps between defenders and nullifying the opposition strengths. Sounds good to me and despite an incredibly difficult set of circumstances at the start of the season, the results prove its working. Perhaps you prefer the Redknapp 'go out and run about a bit' way of doing it - unfortunately that way is not sustainable as its too easily sussed out by opponents and phucks the players by January. I think we have just grown up as a team and have gone up a level. And we haven't even properly started yet.
StillRickyVilla
I fully expect us to have done our homework on Stoke giving us the best possible chance of a victory. Of course its a game of football at the end of the day and anything can happen, but i'm sure AVB has made sure the odds are stacked in our favour.
StillRickyVilla
Bale is back... Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war! 3 POINTS!!!
TopSpur13
as a side we are bigger and quicker that in recent years and I feel this will count in our favour. Last week everton were very unlucky not to get the three points and I feel we will do the same if we play anything like we can
oxfordspur
Going out to buy a neck-brace tomorrow morning. Surprised they haven't moved the game to Twickenham. Stoke and Pulis are an absolute disgrace to the name of football.
matt hoten
matt hoten, I know Stoke aren't the prettiest team in the league, but I'd hardly call them a disgrace. They do well with what they've got. Hopefully we should have more than enough to get the points tomorrow
In-spurs-ational
I hope big bad men don't chucky ball long at us, me no like it
Viyyash-Ramosh
.... also, totally agree with Ox's reasoning on Verts at LB... we will need his height as a 3rd centre-back in dead-ball situations.
Viyyash-Ramosh
....that is... we will need Verts height in addition to that of 2 tall CBs height... not to mention Walker's (oohh I just did)
Viyyash-Ramosh
With our congested festive fixtures, I expect some further rotation. Siggy to start, also caulker and Dawson at the back with naughton and walker. If all is well, then Parker on at 75' for Sandro, also Townsend looked ok and may get a run later. 2-0.
van der haart lane
If Parker and Bale are fit to play id go with this..

.............................Defoe....................................

.......Bale..............Dembele.................Lennon......

...............Parker................Sandro......................

...Verts..........Dawson......Caulker........Walker.....

...............................Lloris..................................
Yidmarks
Ade for Parker at half-time... Put Demebel back in his spot and push Ade on with Defoe....
Yidmarks
I like your team ox, van der's suggestion of siggy is good but I think Dempsey will offer that hard man approach needed to handle stoke.

We're all meeting early tomorrow for a good Christmas drink and I reckon a lot of others will be as well, really need to get behind spurs especially if stoke try to bore us out.
T.H.F.Chris
Yidmarks, had a similar team, swap Ade for Defoe. My worry is that we are picking a team to suit them, maybe could be best to pick a team that suits us at home. My biggest worry is that Gallas plays, too slow but also terrible at cross balls. Must be benched!
RAF Yid
dempsey is a weakling, too easily shrugged off the ball. we can't play him in adebayor's position against stoke. unless we're looking to draw freekicks in dangerous positions, one thing he is really good at.
dazzwater
looks like it's Football Manager time. my turn:
...................Adebayor.....Defoe...........................

.......Bale..............Dembele.................Lennon......

...............Parker................Sandro......................

............Verts........Dawson........Walker..........

...............................Lloris..................................
dazzwater
This is probably one of the two least awaited and anticipated fixtures on the list, the other being Stoke City (A). It will no doubt be a dour affair, with them trying to kick the life out of us, spoil the game at every opportunity, without even making a token attempt to play any football. They are just a total anti-football outfit, the entry criteria to their squad being that you are 6'2" and a nasty prat not adverse to kicking 7 bells out of anything that comes near you. They are managed by that well known MENSA member Tony Pullis who will be seen running up and down the touch line in his base-ball cap, screaming his head off, and arguing with anybody who will listen. If there was any justice they would get relegated back to where they belong, and leave the PL to those who want to play the game properly.
Frank
Does anybody know who the appointed referee is, he will no doubt be a key man against this lot. We should also expect to pick up injuries.
Frank
Dazz man I don't think Dempsey is that weak, against Liverpool he got chopped down about 4 times because they couldn't tackle him. I'd be more worried about your team mate, 4 of those are coming back from injuries which is not ideal when you are going to get booted about by the most boring team in the league.
T.H.F.Chris
Stoke remind me of the average working man - the man would do everything to keep his job as they are so hard to get nowadays with all the economic $h**e taking place and the same with Stoke, doing well to keep their place in the Premier League in an ugly but effective way. We're really in for it tomorrow, can see a 1-1 here, hope I'm proved wrong. Gonna be a real frustrating game, hope the lads really put on a show though...agree with Ox's team, Dawson and Caulker must play - height is crucial against that lot....anyway, COYS!
COYS_TSB
Well said Frank, the ball will go high tomorrow, high enough so about half the stoke team have time to run down our end and catch the bounce, and when it goes off the field of play they will try and throw it in the net.
matt hoten
Doesn't matter what tactics Stoke bring to the party tomorrow they'll still be leaving with nothing more than their tails between their legs. The boys tomorrow will have been told more than to just go out there and "run around a bit", AVB is far more meticulous in his preparation than the last bloke and we'll be far too good for them. The only thing that concerns me tomorrow is picking up injuries due to a weak referee. Hopefully we'll get Foy again and he'll make up for all his mistakes last time out, which should see Stoke finish with 9 men. COYS
thfc1882whl
Dazz, Demsey is the most improved player in our team in last fewgames - His linkup play has improved & his first touch has improved , which were his weak point in initial games. I see him progressing with us
sydqcb5
I just have this good feeling about the game today.
sydqcb5
SRV, my comment about where the goals are coming from relates to the game tomorrow. The possession game looks nice until we have to find a gap and as I said Stoke excel at not providing any gaps through the middle, that's why I suggested that wing-play and crosses might be more productive. We'll have to see how AVB plays it tomorrow. I think it will be tough.
Harry-Kari
COME ON YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN :-)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all :-))
Madaboutspurs
Madaboutspurs, Merry Christmas to you to. So glad you didn't say "Happy Holidays" like the pc police would want us to say.
In-spurs-ational
These are the type of games we MUST start winning, even if it requires a dog fight. Not many teams walk all over Stoke, certainly not with a decent margin. We are 4th and we need to be coming out of the x-mas congestion in at least that position.

IMO, the points are ours if we can get an early goal against this lot. I am pretty sure the conceding of late goals is going to be a thing of past.

Adams is out (bereavement), the ref will be extra vigilant in the penalty areas, Lloris’s presence in the penalty area gives me further confidence.

I can see Gallas starting and later replaced by Daws. May see Defoe and Ade start. Ade for his height, physicality and to counter their bean poles and Defoe replaced by Dempsey in the last 20 mins. COYS!
Critical_Spur
Inspurational, political correctness sometimes goes mad. There is this suburb in Melbourne where the council will only allow banners of 'Season's Greetings' in public places and non of the 'Merry Christmas' ones. wtf!! I am not of Christian faith and I say MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone
Madaboutspurs
According to Portugese reports, Porto is looking to sign Hector Herrera, Mexican International as a successor to Moutinho. His 'likely' destination is England, but they say its possible only end of season
sydqcb5
Merry Christmas to you Mad & every Spurs
sydqcb5
Thanks syd. Merry Xmas & Happy New Year. 4 wins in a row would be a nice Christmas present for all of us. I believe.
Madaboutspurs
As long as the players put themselves physically in profit for the team, we should be okay. No, I don't know what that means either
In-spurs-ational
Opinions, opinions and more opinions. Well my opinion is that we don't know whose fit and who's not, whether Moutinho or anybody else wants to come to Spurs, Levy's aspirations or as yet AVB's credentials as a top coach. We can only judge results over a reasonable period and with 25 competitive games now played the results have been mixed to say the least. What's clear is that we need to beat the likes of Stoke consistently to earn the right to considered serious challengers for 4th+ with the squad we've got.
Love totty
Hope ade is fit as we could do with his strength and hold up play in this one and agree - no gallas and replace with caulker as he is better than Dawson and strong, but would be happy to see Dawson there too. Coys. Siggy is not a bad shout if bale doesn't make this one or we decide to protect him, but thankfully, no Adam.
Windlespur
Love totty, true, except we drew at home and lost away to Stoke last season so i guess we weren't serious Top 4 challengers last year either were we? I don't know what will happen today, its a one-off game of football anything can happen - what we do know is we have a manager who will be preparing meticulously to give us the best possible chance. And as long as the players and fans give it 100% on the pitch and in the stands - that's good enough for me. You can't ask for any more than that.
StillRickyVilla
As for results so far this season. Only a mug would not have cut them some slack early on considering it was virtually a new team, a new manager, a new system, critical injuries suffered and a negative media baying for AVB's blood, which in turn was negatively influencing the fans at the ground. Despite all that we sit in 4th place with our injured players coming back soon and the new system starting to bed in. In my eyes i don't see how it realistically could have gone better. But as you say, it all about opinions!
StillRickyVilla
JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE ALL THE WAY, OH WHAT FUN IT IS TO SEE, TOTTENHAM WIN AWAY........keep that in the locker for boxing day, WE WILL FIGHT FOREVER MORE BECAUSE OF BOXING DAY. Today the Rugby team, known as Stoke come to the lane, like for like not a difficult game, will the skill over come the kickers, is this the club Charlie Adam plays for, Or is he out injured, the dirty ba****d. I feel we can win this, dropping points against this lot would be a sin, couple of goals in the first half would be good, we have had a few 0-0 at half time recently. COYSPURSSSSS lets have all three points. WISHING ALL SPURS FANS A HAPPY CHRISTMAS, so lets get this party started with a WIN.
spu 4 life
clocked it in a post, No Adam.
spu 4 life
And good luck to WIGAN
spu 4 life
SRV - I did say the likes of Stoke consistently and judge over a reasonable period so I won't over-react either way to today's result. Every club has changes to it's personnel over the summer. AVB has had a full pre-season and 25 competitive games now so no more lame excuses are acceptable. I'm not expecting miracles, just achieving expectation with watchable performances will do fine. Harry blew it last year and with our rivals faltering it would be criminal to repeat that sorry mess. We'll have to shift now to get the 70 points it will probably take so c'mon AVB, show us your mettle.
Love totty
I noticed what_sux hasn't been around for a while. Anyone know what happened? Did ox ban him because of his pics.? I liked what_sux . :-(
Madaboutspurs
Thing is, what exactly are your expectations? To finish above 'money no object' Chelsea who've just spend £100m+ on cream like Hazard, Oscar, Mata with expensive stars, that we would love, like Lukaku and Sturridge not even getting in their squad? Or finish above the scum who've moulded their club over the last 15 years and have finished Top 4 every single season over that time and have a quality squad to match, spending a third to double more than what we do in wages? To be in and around these clubs considering our 'lame excuses' (LOL - not at all lame IMO) is a perfectly acceptable performance so far in my opinion. There are 16 other clubs including media favourite Rodgers and Liverpool that would love to be in our position. O'Neil has spent fortunes at Sunderland, Hughes at QPR and look at them. Its not easy. I think we need to reign in our expectations and enjoy the ride. If our expectations are to challenge for PL titles its a pipe-dream unless our owners change or the PL change the financial rules or Fair Play bites. The vitriol needs to be pointed at ENIC who STILL haven't sorted the stadium and shafted AVB again in the summer or the PL itself that lends itself to financially duped clubs winning year after year. Not the guys like AVB and the players who are doing their very best under those circumstances.
StillRickyVilla
StillRickyVilla, thing is, if Harry was still our manager, even though we have no Mod or Rafa we would be ten points clear at the top of the league
In-spurs-ational
Difficult game Stoke have known to beat us and I really hope we get a win and win the next few games
thfan
happy with team selection. pleasure to see AVB pick the players to suit each game.
ledders77
Our starting team today is: Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Dawson, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Bale, Defoe and Adebayor Our subs: Friedel, Naughton, Gallas, Livermore, Sigurdsson, Townsend and Parker
ledders77
well that team is very pleasing to see. famous last words, i hope not.
82spursdebut
Defoe + Ade together = GOALS.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Strongest spurs team all season, like the line up, lets hope they do the business, a rafa fact for yer dembele hasn't lost a game when he's been on the pitch, was subbed when playing Everton, COYS
birdmanspurs
Whats happened to Dempsey?
TopSpur13
Dembele never on pitch when Spurs lose is just a nothing stat... abit like we've never lost when the goalkeeper wears fishnet-stockings and high-heels
Viyyash-Ramosh
If you want to see a really poor team, watch Wigan play Arsenal. Their player Beausejour is really bad. Can't cross and always loses the ball. Gave up a penalty and then seconds later wasted one of their better chances to score.
jvd
SRV - My expectation at the start of the season was to at least maintain the momentum, get close to 70 points again and be in the hunt for 4th spot, no more than that. I considered that the squad we had was as good and probably better than the Poo or the Scum who would likely be our rivals for that spot. I agree that the big three spenders are almost impossible to challenge. I won't be calling for AVB's head if if we get the points but just miss out, but if we're off the pace, bu**er his meticulous planning, he will have failed.
Love totty
Really, ramosh, dembele on the pitch or off, we're a better team when he plays, look at the games we lost if he was playing the results might of been so different
birdmanspurs
if my aunt had been born male, she'd be my aunt... etc etc.. I agree that we are better when he plays, but I could say that about 8-9 players.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Love totty, that's fair enough. I would argue that we are missing our entire spine of team from last year so difficult to 'maintain the momentum' but so be it. And also what momentum? We hardly won a game in 2012 before AVB took over! Anyway doesn't matter does it. Any one got any links for todays game?
StillRickyVilla
Walcott goes down really easy when hardly touched in the box and earns le scum a win
philbill
...that is, to say... my 'uncle'
Viyyash-Ramosh
Bale is back, nice.... Dawson in for Gallas, nice.... Defoe up top with Ade as the #10, nice nice nice. Sigs, Parker and Townsend on the bench looks nicely set up for legs and grit towards the end. No Dempsey's a bit of a mystery, but anyhow, let's try not to lose anyone to knocks this game. Keep Walters well marked and don't leave Etherington any space, he likes scoring against us. Lloris should be aggressive enough to keep Crouch at bay. COYS!!!
tengboon
Love Totty the results aren't really "mixed" as you say. we're in 4th/5th at the moment and that is more like leaning on the plus side of things. In the EL we are in the round of 32, so still on the plus side and we are out of The CC Cup but still in the FA cup, call that mixed. All in all THFC is doing well with an 80% squad and should improve as the top players come back and gain form.
jvd
Hello, any links today ??
AlexSpur
Wigan weren't poor...Arseanal were f@cking lucky with the penalty given to them...otherwise, they were matched and outdone in most instances by Wigan. Carzola was non-existent. Martinez really transformed this Wigan side greatly, and with just a couple of quality additions mediocre Arseanal would have been beat easily.
dcruzer
Dempsey has a groin strain apparently
oxfordspur
Alexspur, www.firstrowsports.eu has been clutch for me here in Shanghai
tengboon
must win game, lets not get bullied
123spurs
VR your logic defies my comprehension. A fact is a fact nothing else I agree but your analogies make no sense. Really expecting a big win from Spurs today!
jvd
Happy with the line up great to see Dawson back and what is refreshing is seeing AVB making necessary changes to combat the opposition. Re Arsenal they are really not that good neither are Chelsea and Liverpool. If we strengthen in January we could get top four but if we don't then we could pay for it ans it will be difficult I would expect Arsenal to get top four due to experience of knowing how to do it year after year which means beating Chelsea, Liverpool and couple of others teams to the last spot. We need to win today to keep the pressure on and show we can compete against these physical sides like Stoke and remain close to the top teams to draw interest in the January window.
thfan
Thanks tengboon it is working fine
AlexSpur
One thing bothers me, they show Dawson on the LEFT of Caulker, that would be a huge mistake. Surely an error on the part of the broadcast, let's see how they line up
tengboon
Mother of god walker...
TopSpur13
Alex spur, I don't think ox likes it when people post links to illegal streams. Having said that, try doing a google search for "Ronaldo 7 Stoke"
In-spurs-ational
again, ******** disgraceful from stoke, should at least be a yellow.
rahn DMC
no yellow should of been red
123spurs
Just seen the reply, you're right 123spurs, that looked very intentional to me. red.
rahn DMC
Walker is atrocious.
TopSpur13
sandro needs to be careful
rahn DMC
Already the ref is favouring Stoke
philbill
not sure about Sandro sometimes.... far too mechanical and drone-like, and Dembele looks too casual mostly, needs to inject some urgency to his play..
Viyyash-Ramosh
ref does not like us does he!
rahn DMC
what is our keeper doing, stop messing around with it
123spurs
Is that ref from Stoke?
mountainyid
no yellow yet books sandro
123spurs
far too predictable in offense... need to play thru the middle more to keep Stoke guessing... move Lennon infield and be a free-radical, see what comes from the chaos..
Viyyash-Ramosh
I appreciate a good bit of build up play as much as the next man, but sometimes you just gotta get it in the box!
coys1717
build-up play has been ****e... all too predictable, and all doing 'their bit' on the ball as individuals. no 1-2 touch link-play, no midfielders running beyond strikers into the space when they drop off.... poor display so far.... could it be that the 11 best players don't always make the best TEAM ??..
Viyyash-Ramosh
have not got into our stride, stoke better team an we are just as bad as thr ref
123spurs
Stoke are keeping us in-front of them and proving very difficult to break down. The game will get stretched later though, so hopefully we'll be able to catch them on the counter-attack.
Fanman
Lennon again $hit ,ffs he needs to start waking his arse up ,he`s even getting lazy .
big cockeral
I don't see what the complaints about our performance are coming from? Stoke aren't leaving any gaps to exploit.
Fanman
Give it a rest ,BC. He's no worse than the rest.
Love totty
Take off Defoe asap. Walker has become so poor it's painful to watch. All that grass to run into and he waits and holds onto the ball every single time.
01tottenham
Big C - How ever much you hate Lennon (has he done you harm or something?), you cannot single him out as Bale has been poor, as has Dembele. I actually think lennon has been ok as at least he has forced corners and attacks the fullback!! Give the bloke a break bud!!!
woodyn17
How many times has walker given the ball away, and never seen Dawson lose so many headers, why don't they have sandro in front of jones, there play is so predictable
birdmanspurs
NEED TO PUSH UP vERTS MORE INTO lm SLOT AND GO TO 3 AT BACK... that should release Bale to come inside more and get him to run into space when strikers drop off... Stoke looking like Barca today
Viyyash-Ramosh
Stoke have well and truly parked the bus, they are looking to snatch a win, not outplay us.
Fanman
lloris needs to concentrate on what hes doing and ohter sloppy short pass getting to be a habit now
123spurs
Hoping AVB can make some adjustments in the 2nd half. I haven't been worried that they would score from their build-ups but worried that we will make an error. More concerned with our inability to get good scoring ops. Think I would like to see Dembele and Sandro and Walker taker some shots from the 30 yard area. Our crosses haven't got anyone making runs to them. Lets take the shot from outside and have Defoe and Ade looking for the rebound.
jvd
I see V-R is on drugs again. So far so good nullifying their set-pieces, good move to bring back Daws alongside Caulker for this one! I think the idea today has been to play with width and get Bale and Lennon round the sides. Bale has put a couple of dangerous crosses over. Lennon hasn't really penetrated yet though. Hopefully more gaps will appear 2nd half.
StillRickyVilla
Still not overly concerned by the Stoke threat, we'll score in the second half. Wouldn't be surprised to see Sandro come off at the break, he looks like he needs a rest. We'll be better in the second half nothing to worry about. COYS
thfc1882whl
No suprise stoke try to get early goal and fail so will now defend until the 80th minute when they will push forward, pathetic club
Spursnoob
Big C no matter how hard you try you aint convincing anyone about Lennon. This is personal between yourself and him for some reason. Lennon may be pants in your eyes, but accusing him of being lazy is just silly. His tracking back and workrate has always been excellent
HuddersfieldYiddo
its poinltess woodytlaking to aguy like that who only has hes favourites who cant be touch
123spurs
Another game we have gone in 0-0 @ half time, lets hope the same happens again and we score 2-0r-3 this half. we really do need all 3pts here. COYS
spu 4 life
FFS!!! Would everyone on here get off the blokes backs!!! Stoke have conceded 13 goals this year. They have parked the bus and looked to play direct. We are doing ok without getting into our stride!!! Are you ****s all Mayans or something???
woodyn17
we haven't played terrible, but we haven't played great. We really need to attack with tempo and better movement. movement off the ball is what creates space and what pulls defenders. Our strikers have looked very flat footed, especially when getting to Bale's crosses in. Both know what he's going to do yet neither really attempt to get in front or in between the defenders.
rahn DMC
So many complaints, we haven't been that bad! Too much pressure n the EPL.
Fanman
harry also had has hes favourites looks like u an harry some 1 think in common
123spurs
HY.... Not even worth responding to the Lennon haters mate, he;s been one of our best players this season and to call him lazy just proves their ignorance. Even when he has a stinker, he's one of our hardest workers.
thfc1882whl
maybe we're getting over-dependent and predictable with this 'get it out wide and cross it' doctrine.... the top teams don't just rely on this tactic and mix it with clever link-play around the box to create space.... not sure if we've tried even 1 short-passing move around the box for a runner into the box to feed off... surely AVB must have trained the team to vary the tactics. I'm guessing the 2nd half will see more play thru the middle from us.... maybe by swapping Lennon and Bale around to force them to come inside more. the fullbacks can supply the width/crossing
Viyyash-Ramosh
Stoke are such a frustrating team to watch. They bring bugger all to the premiership
philbill
what a cross from thr lazy amazing lennon
123spurs
swapping wings for Lennon and Bale allowing more bodies in and around box, to allow more linkplay.... nice.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Ade to come off, a shadow of the loanee he was last year
thfc1882whl
Townsend. Bring him on. Please. Something has to be done to try break them down.
TopSpur13
Adebayor... Has he had a good game this season?
TopSpur13
Whitehead, reminiscent of their win at the hawthorns? I hope not.
TopSpur13
We were better from set pieces when Bale was injured
thfc1882whl
blatant foul on lennon, this ref really really doesn't like us.
rahn DMC
refs a rejoke
123spurs
uh-oh... Cameron Jerome on now..
Viyyash-Ramosh
Ade owes us a good game and he is not delivering....
philbill
Croucn for Etherington, looks like it'll be 20 minutes of the long ball game. Oh and Ade couldn't trap a bag of cement, apologies for the cliche but it's appropriate
thfc1882whl
a Bale this selfish is a LIABILITY.
Viyyash-Ramosh
bale should be subbed
123spurs
watching Dembele run is like watching the game in sllooooww motion.
Viyyash-Ramosh
he takes off our bets player our only threat FFS
123spurs
Ade should come off not Lennon
philbill
HA HA saying nothing
big cockeral
Avb does not know what he's ******** doing. Goodbye
01tottenham
think Bale is far more interested in getting his goals-ratio as high as possible, for his inevitable move in summer. far more important than getting Spurs 3pts by passing
Viyyash-Ramosh
penalty surely?!
rahn DMC
soooo lookiung for it by Bale
Viyyash-Ramosh
this is what I don't get. We wait until the 90th minute to put some urgency into our play.
rahn DMC
Begovic at the end to deny us. Unlucky...
Fanman
not good enogh bale needs to step up, after everton win bad day at lane
123spurs
No penetration ,need a better winger & striker
big cockeral
Frustrating...cannot say anything more.
AlexSpur
Anyone still think we don't need to do some real business in January? World class striker and a world class playmaker are must have deals if we are to challenge for CL qualification.
thfc1882whl
That was a penalty on Bale. Jerome didn't even go for the ball.
Fanman
We are just not good enough up top. Defoe gone off boil in last couple of games Ade average and we don't look like scoring from midfield. I guess a point is better than a loss but we should be winning these home games to get top four
thfan
Stoke should be ashamed!!! They are not a footballing side and if i were one of their fans paying money to watch a team not venture out of their box for 90 mins i would demand my money back!!!! Absolutely disgraceful!!!
woodyn17
deserved thayt result.... too many chiefs not enough injuns.... all the 'stars' just looking to feed off OTHERS unselfish runs, nobody making runs or linking around the box to be picked out cos everyone felt others not gonna pass if they get even a sniff of a shot... THOROUGHLY DESERVED RESULT.
Viyyash-Ramosh
It's the referee's fault, we should have gotten a penalty for sure. Stoke is such a dirty team of bully players, but that referee just does not want to see that. What a load of rubbish!
dcruzer
Seriously guys, this is Stoke. They are a tough team to crack. Yes the results didn't go for us today but at least we got a point.

We could very well have lost this. Begovic gained a point for Stoke.
taniban
One good thing about this result is it might just convince our slap head to spend some bloody money, although the game ruiners have triumphed again. Imagine having a season ticket to watch them. I suppose this result was predictable, but the thing that is really annoying is that we are well able to concede at the death, but we never bloody well score and nick games ourselves in the dying minutes.
Frank
Positives guys - two clean sheets, joint 4th, nearing a fully fit squad, three win-able games coming up. Don't be downhearted. As long as we are there or there about's at the end of January we will have a good chance!!! COYS!!
woodyn17
Poor avb...very poor. Can he not see Defoe does Nothing all game yet still gives him a full 90. Now I know avb knows nothing.
01tottenham
Just more of the same. Two negative teams playing each other such a bore. We will never get anywhere with just effort, shape and back to the old idea of lots of average midfield players. Levy must be happy again after the mistake of buying quality playmakers like Modric and VDV. As for playing both Ade and Defoe we all know it just don't work. Oh well back to the old repeated movies ay least they are entertaining
Forever Spurs
If this does not convince Levy to purchase us a couple of forwards (Aubameyang, Remy, Damiao, or Llorente) , dunno if he should continue as our head. Time after time we lose points due to a lack of forward quality that can be bought, but due to Levy's pu55yfooting we are not able to get...FFS!!!
dcruzer
Not unhappy with that. 21 shots to 4 tell its own story. Completely nullified them as an attacking threat apart from the odd breakaway. Only 1 team wanted to win - just couldn't get that break which has been unusual for us this season. At least we don't have to watch Stoke every week! Merry Christmas everyone.
StillRickyVilla
Frank - shouldn't need to spend millions in the transfer market to beat Stoke City at home. Everyone knew how they were going to line up and the tactics Syoke would go for yet there was no tactical plan to beat them.
MrSpurs
Not quite as I predicted....it wasn't boring! Credit to AVB in trying to exploit the wings and put in crosses but we have no-one capable of reading the game well enough to get on the end of them.We lack real goal-scorers, the type of players who can make something out of nothing on a regular basis. Ade seems to have lost it completely, DeFoe is more miss than hit lately and Bale and Lennon aren't delivering. Dembele seems disappointingly light-weight to me, easy on the eye but no end product. Walker brings most counter-attacks to a shuddering halt. To me the whole team seems to be sleep-walking to a pattern but unable to break free and hit the net. As I said yesterday, it's difficult to see where the goals will come from against teams that fight and are organised in defence. People keep saying that we haven't hit our stride yet but we are practically half-way through the season so I would suggest we have, but it isn't good enough
Harry-Kari
@01tottenham. Don't be silly. AVB has no choice but to maintain Defoe. Otherwise everyone would be bashing him for not giving our top scorer more time on the pitch. I'm quite confident AVB would want to drop Defoe if he could as Defoe can be very frustrating (all he does is shoot and rarely passes the ball to others), but we have no other "likely scorer". As soon as we get a prolific scorer alternative like Aubameyang, I'm confident Defoe will get dropped by AVB.
dcruzer
I think it's clear we need a playmaker of some sort. We have a lot of pace and power, but not enough intelligence on the pitch to consistently break down these bus parking sides... saying that, this performance was still better than our 2 games vs Stoke last season with VDV and Modric.
Guyver
we should have got benitez in the summer when we had the chance,just ask liverpool fans
ghulamville
massive credit to stoke and espec' shawcross /huth and begovic. Maybe..at 65 mins'...we could have seen a striker on for addy. very ineffective if not shooting. also...townsend at 65 mins' for lennon !? still need another young hungry striker. Not end of the world......merry xmas.....roll on box'g day.
82spursdebut
Ade, Defoe, Bale, Lennon, Dembele... Hardly a team lacking in skill or goal threat, only the Manchester clubs and Chelsea can compete with that.
MrSpurs
Harry-Kari, i agree, AVB's tactics were spot-on. We changed it today keeping Bale and Lennon out wide to get around the sides and stretch Stoke's packed defence. We just couldn't get that goal despite 20 odd shots to their 4. A problem is we literally have nothing on the bench to bring on to change things. The quality of our squad is poor - we need a couple of quality forwards and a quality attacking midfielder to add depth to the squad and allow us to change things during matches.
StillRickyVilla
Although it is boring to watch Stoke, this is their way and they do a decent job by sticking to their master plan. It is our fault not to break them apart. We are in a desperate need for a striker and a real playmaker whose price tags combined would be in the range of 30 to 45 MM pounds. I don´t see Levy spending come january so AVB has to sort out something if he wants to get a CL spot and win EL. It is more than clear that Defoe and Ade do not work together and I think Ade is the weak link nowadays. Defoe tried to come off the box to get more ball time and shot from mid range whereas Ade was just keeping the ball in a useless way. Bale was not on the match today and Sandro is so tired he missed several easy passes. Time to try something different Mr. AVB. Spurs became a predictable side playing at WHL.
AlexSpur
to be fair, if Levy and ENIC don't wanna spend a cent in January, its there effin prerogative as its their 'club' (a misnomer if ever there was one in the Prem). the problem aint about a lack of quality today, its the curse of all the big egos (headed by Bale) not working and making space foe EACH OTHER... not themselves to get a low percentage strike on goal, but actually make the space for someone else to profit from....we really needed the unselfishness of a Dempsey today
Viyyash-Ramosh
We stil need a S T R I K E R ....I'm shouting so loud I'm hoarse ...neigh!!!!!!!!!!!! We are not good enough up front to frighten tough defences. One day we will get that Christmas present we all crave for but not a joker,please.
wentworth
StillRickyVilla, I agree with your posts in general, but you have to admit many of our 20 attempts on goal were "run out of idea's" long range shots. Sometime's they go in like Sandro's fortunate opener against Fulham, or we score from a set piece, but as you say, the squad needs more quality in depth.
Guyver
For a couple of weeks now I've had the feeling that Bale Ade and Dempsey have been avoiding passing to Lennon, Walker and Defoe. Starting to look a bit like there are two camps in the dressing room. Hope I'm wrong but don't be surprised if we start hearing 'rift' stories if these results continue.
Very disappointed with Bales set pieces, his tracking back and his constant wandering. We have looked more solid the last couple of weeks when he's been missing, needs taking down a peg or two if you ask me.
thfc1882whl
82, i agree re.Stoke. Even though i hate the way they play, you have to hand it to them, that's 8 league games unbeaten for them and the BEST defensive record in the league including the Manchester's (and apparently the best defensive record out of all 5 top European leagues!). Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up - we needed a break today. Guyver, yes a lot were from long-range but my point was it was us trying to win, the general flow of the game was virtually constant towards their goal!
StillRickyVilla
Dcruzer, he may be our top scorer but he also ruin almost all of our attacks with his 25 yard reckless shooting. Last season with ade leading the line worked well for us! Imagine if we had siggy or dembele playing behind him?.....
01tottenham
Credit to Stoke, they deserved the point and play a very solid defensive game. No enough quality to break them down, Siggy very unlucky. Would of liked a 3-5-2 set up for the last 20, but nevermind. Too much ball watching by Lennon, Siggy deserves a start, lets look to rest and rotate. Merry xmas all, safe driving. Cheers.
thenuge
vr.....forget big ego's by bale......he put in many decent crosses, actually shot at goal and on another day, could quite easily have got a pen'. They huffed and puffed...moved around plenty...swopping sides and even tried lifting the ball over the stokes 10 man wall, at times. Give spurs a break and credit this one to stoke. xmas soon !!
82spursdebut
thfc1882whl, Ade and Demp avoid passing to Walker, Lennon and Defoe??? I havent spotted that. Bale hardly passes to anyone, so it's not like he's ignoring specific teammates, just like Defoe, but you probably wouldnt notice that. The only 2 camps ive noticed in this squad are the ones you've created. The players you like vs the players you don't like as much.
Guyver
Toothless today, Ade needs to get a grip, stay late after training practising his basic control. Never seen an international player with such poor control, mind you he's got his contract so maybe he's happy riding the gravy train just like he's done in the past. We're well and truly lumbered with him, as nobody will buy him even if we put him on the list. We're going to find ourselves exactly where City were last season with him. Absolutely amateur bit of business buying him.
thfc1882whl
StillRickyVilla, you are spot on re. the quality of the squad, or to be more accurate the lack of it. If we go back 12 months or so we ha the likes of Nico Kranjcar, Vedrun Corluka, Peter Crouch (much maligned but better than our current alternatives), our current bench from anything other than a defensive stand point is totally lacking PL quality. Unfortunately I don't see Levy spending the necessary money to change things much, so we have to soldier on with what little we have.
Frank
I see StillRickyVilla, admittedly it did look as though only 1 team was capable of winning today, which is an improvement over our 2 games vs Stoke last season.
Guyver
Guyver...... I did say I hope I'm wrong and I've also given Dempsey a lot of credit for his recent performances. I've no major problem with Defoe not passing when the goals in his sights, he is a striker after all. Bale is a great player who seems of late to think that the whole team revolves around him, whereas Defoe has lightened up on his selfishness, Bale has increased his. What is obvious though is the need for a quality striker and a playmaker who can open up defences. Think we also need to up the tempo too.
thfc1882whl
"Bale is a great player who seems of late to think that the whole team revolves around him, whereas Defoe has lightened up on his selfishness" Agreed, sometime's it felt like we had 9 outfield players +1 (Bale) who was doing his own thing on the left (then right). Bale is a phenomenal player, but doesnt need to take on the entire opposition every single time he receives the ball. A 1-2 or a simple pass can sometime's be more effective than taking on 3 players by yoursef.
Guyver
Apparently i have heard from various reports Joe Lewis wants the purse strings tightened. I don't know wether its gamesmanship to not show our hand or if its really true. Not enough game changers from the bench when our first choice are not playing well. We need to strengthen in january to mount a full assault at the top 4 without a doubt.
spurfect one
We are not rich club so we won't spend a lot during January, AVB must be a manager and manage with what he has.
MrSpurs
MrSpurs, We are not rich club? We are officially the 11th richest club on the entire planet with 2 share holders on the THFC board worth a combined 4.5 billion. We also have a 50 million pound kit deal with Under Armour which has not been invested in the team, nor has the 50 million made from the CL season, and lets not forget the profits made from the sales of the clubs star players since the CL season. I'm sick of these ENIC Hotspur fans pleading poverty!
pelebro
Dissappointing result, only because I really wanted 3rd spot (above the arse) and it was a home game. But, in fairness Stoke have drawn 10 of their last 18, only lost 3 and play the most boring defensive football ever. Would have loved Siggy to get the winner, great header and a lot better than Bales 6 yard over the crossbar effort...work in progress!
mountainyid
the 20+ shots were more a sign of our desperation and lack of inventiveness than a measure of real goal-chances... I'm convinced that Bale has now prioritised HIS goals-ratio rather than the team's, in the hope of hyping up his next contract this summer, and as the contract will be with another club, it doesnt matter much if Spurs suffer in the process... the other main attackers have also picked up on this, and whereas last season Defoe and Ade were combining well to make space and chances for EACH OTHER, this has stopped... Ade may feel that Defoe doesnt reciprocate as much in opening up space for him with unselfish runs taking defenders away and thus doesnt want to help Defoe out either as it'll mean enhancing Defoe's goal-tally at the detriment of his own... this new mindset needs to be nipped in the bud ASAP, AVB has his work cut out this week.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Bale is the only real threat we have .Lennon & Adebayor were shocking today & you`re not going to beat teams who defend well when you have to rely on a select few to break them down .
Attacks from the left are lethal ,but through the middle & mainly the left it`s not good enough .We made it easy for Stoke today ,over reliance from the left gives no balance & makes it easy for teams like Stoke to have a gameplan .
All possession but no penetration is not clever football .
Walker & Lennon are doing 50% of what Vertonghen & Bale are doing ,& it shows .
big cockeral
If we had played with the same tempo in the first half that we did late on, we may have had better luck. This group of players lack flair so we need them to press hard and wear teams down. Dembele was poor today - no end product.
Love totty
Viyyash-Ramosh Defoe and Ade hardly played together last season so i have yet to really see them gel as i would hope for like VDV and Ade did. I kind of agree with you about Bale, but today he put in 3 great low crosses only for Ade or Defoe to be found wanting on their positioning. The overall lack of movement and quick incisive passing restricted us to long shots.
spurfect one
Pelebro - there isnt any money in the pot we won't sign someone like Llorente. Anyone who thinks Levy will spend big in January is deluded.
MrSpurs
Is it that Bale is selfish/playing for himself or simply trying to find a solution? If he plays to his strengths, uses his pace to beat the defender along the line and crosses the perfect ball into the six-yard box – what happens? He sees Ade and Defoe flat on their heels, Defoe head in hands bemused as if thinking ‘Why didn’t I see that coming?’. It’s been happening all season and a lot of last season. We have two of the fastest wingers in the game and we play through them most of the time, but our weakness is that we haven’t got forwards who can find the space or read the game well enough to take advantage.
GARYKIR
Good post Garykir. Our strikers are poor. Defoe had a short purple patch a few weeks ago but has now reverted to type. Ade has been a joke since he signed for us. Dempsey is starting to settle but is injury prone. Our striking quality isn't good enough and they don't feel any pressure to perform as they know we have nobody behind pushing for their starting slot. We need to strengthen. That will improve us ten fold. Get us Benteke Levy. No more excuses.
SpuriousLife
Considering the weather and the parked bus, it wasn't a terrible result. Perhaps unleashing the slippery Townsend in the rain could've been an option but all in all, we are almost injury free and 5th with inviting fixtures ahead. I see only 1new January signing being sanctioned and would prefer willian if its possible. Otherwise happy with avb.
van der haart lane
Plenty of knee jerkers in the forum tonite! Bale is selfish, Lennon lazy, Adebayor crap, blah blah blah, only Guyver talked some sense in comparing our performance to last year's home and away, where we looked absolutely perplexed and never in it. This always had 0-0 on the cards, and we were unlucky not to convert several sublime crosses, plus a great Begovic save at the end. More importantly, we went on the offensive in the last 15 min, instead of fumbling around and being vulnerable to a late goal. We seem to have that issue firmly in mind and on the way to resolved.
tengboon
I think AVB would have seen all he needs to see to work out how to break them down on the away leg at the Brittania this year. Parker looks ready to fly, and well hungry. Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukha yids, next 3 games are full of promise!
tengboon
Gutted, but Stoke were solid !! I cant believe all the people putting ADE down, statistically the best striker in the prem last season, when you include goals and assists, he has hardly played this year though injury and suspension, he was immense last year and 6 months later he is the worst player ever, please get a grip people are you really that dum lol !! COYS we need a playmaker desperately, splash the cash Levy !!
LOcE1980
........here we go again! ....unimaginative, predictable, one dimensional...shut your eyes and it could have been Harry? except it wasnt, was it? it was AVB, the man to take us to the next level.....take a look up North, Man City 0 against bottom of the budgie cage Reading 0 ....what do Citeh do ...win it! last gasp !but they win it...! Not good enough ...I thought we were promised that AVB would be taking the club to the next level.....every game I go to WHL and I sit and wait to see it happen..and every time it doesnt, then I have to listen to people telling me why it hasnt happend but how it will happen, we just need to give it time.....! define time? I look at the West Brom and the Norwich match and then I look at Wigan..and I look at today's game, I try and cheer myself up by looking at the Man U result then I look at the Gooners game..I think West Ham and Fulham Game and then I see the Southampton and Liverpool games....who the phuck are we any more?..in fact, what are we? ....... Are we a ping it into the box team or a play it across the pitch and create space and openings...or are we a high line and condence the play up the pitch or are we a passing team that likes to move the opposition around the pitch create space and use the slide ball through the channels......AVB, just exactly what is our natural game? Will the real Totteham Hotspur please stand up!
OyVeh Maria
OyVeh knee-jerk Maria ladies and gentlemen. That's right, here's here til Wednesday, catch him live
tengboon
Like I said y'day, this game needed an early goal. The longer it went on, the more predictable it became. Those shots on goal.....as others have said, long distance and some short distance shots were very lethargic (almost a back pass).

It could've been a good game game had someone scored in 1st half. But stoke seemed boringly too comfotable in the game as our goal threat never seemed to worry them. I was hoping that for once WE will nick a goal at 90+ minutes. Alas, not to be and we move on. But can't afford any more drab draws during the festive season tho. I also agree with some that the team is NOT really playing as a team, no free flowing footy and our waves of attacks are very indecisive where the selfish players mess up the end result. Well, it's work in progress....has been for the past 4 months. Nearly as bad as the roadworks near where I live!!
Critical_Spur
Shame about the result, but the fans calling for 4-4-2 with Defoe and Ade have only themselves to blame. No dynamic movement and no-one attacking their penalty area from deep is what you get when you play 4-4-2.
Tactically Challenge
Something that has to be pointed out. Our bench today was no better than Stoke's and that say's a lot.
Guyver
Could even argue Stoke's bench was superior.
Guyver
Man City managed what Spurs couldn't manage, a last gasp win. Slight difference being that City have a 250M+ squad that happen to be current champions that played the bottom club. We have sold 2/3 of our best players, have a new manager and played a team that are, and all credit to them, very difficult beat. You have to be pretty dumb not to spot the difference. COYS
ItalianYiddo
L0cE1980 why Ade why was best Striker last year is 4.2.3.1 system i thin system 442 is not good for my team
sadaq
can some 1 tell me what bale actually done today beside another simulation act
123spurs
I am not too fussed about the result. Timing of the result is not ideal. But we are talking about a side here who have kept 8 cleansheets and conceded just 13 goals all season !!!!
sydqcb5
Some rumors going around in Twiter world that

i) Levy is looking to sell 3 players a) Livermore b) Adebayor c) one of Dawson or Parker, provied we get good offer

ii) Eriksen is on his way to Spurs

Take it with a pinch of salt for now
sydqcb5
Guyver... Sorry it took so long to reply, pub you understand. Yes, Bale is a phenomenal player but one of those will not win you anything. A good team will beat any team with a phenomenal player all day long if that player fails to produce and Bale failed today, ordinary at best. We looked better during the games that Bale missed of late and the results back that up. Along with my opinion that Ade is surplus to requirements. We still need a world class striker and a midfielder who has the imagination to unlock defences though. Like I said after the Swansea game, more and more teams will come to the Lane and shut up shop. It's up to us to unlock these teams.
thfc1882whl
give the team a break, Stoke came for the point and got it they will go to other teams and do the same ... we were unlucky it was not our day a point is better than none, AVB will sort this out Ade leaving no chance Defoe will go before him.
E17YID
After another poor performance at home, my gut feeling is we will not get in the top 6, let alone the top 4. A home defeat against Wigan and now draws at home to Norwich, West Brom and Stoke is not good enough. The players brought in to replace our two world class players are not good enough. We can blame the two up top but the fact is we do not have a player who can unlock defences. No one who can slide a killer ball. Our midfield does not score enough goals. When teams sit back as deep as Stoke do it is pointless playing Lennon as he is better when he can go one on one with the full back. He does not do enough in these sort of games. The problem in these dropped points from mentioned home games is that last season apart from one game last season we really tried battering the door down to win the game, and usually came down to a masterclass keeping performance. Last year against Stoke they scored against the run of play and from then on we had loads of chances. Yesterday we had a couple of chances at best. Why was Dempsey not on the bench yesterday. Also does anyone know the last time Defoe scored a goal with Ade on the pitch. I hope the owners part with the cheque book this window as I think we need another striker, another option from the wing and a creative midfielder. But I have lost faith in our owners and did a long time ago. I bet the £20 million we were meant to have bid for Moutinho disappears back into ENIC's pockets like it did when we bid £30 million for those world class strikers a few windows ago.
nothappyharry
great defensive display from stoke, got to give them credit. bale put in plenty of great crosses as did vertonghen. defoe will never get on the end of them. AVB plays 442 as much to please the fans as anything else, who can blame him as the boo boys could easily ensure he is not given the time to implement his ideas. unfortunately defoe does not function well with any other striker and never will. ade should lead the line sometimes but AVB will be slaughtered if he drops defoe. there were too many selfish players out there and for me defoe remains the main culprit, and I think other players are beginning to reciprocate the never pass approach. shame because only a killer through ball would have unlocked stokes defence,
Guernman
OyVeh Maria, Great post! Indeed, what are we now? Well a season ago at this time we up there within a couple of points of the leaders. Many fans on this site were pleading with Levy to back Harry in the Jan window to bring a couple more world class players so he could compete on a more even keel, in terms of squad talent with the likes of City and United. Harry was not backed by the board but still got us into an official CL end of season position. A year on we have a new coach but we are out of the title race early. I am not blaming AVB for this, because again many Spurs fans pleaded with Levy to back AVB on this site in the summer, but AVB was not given the funding to bring in his two targets Willian and Moutinho. Looking at the current Spurs side, those are the 2 key missing link players. An in the hole player who can open teams up (Wilson) to replace VDV and a creative CM (Moutinho) to replace Modric. So AVB is doing the best with what he has. Levy and Lewis have yet another opportunity to back their new coach in January and the money is there to do it without Lewis spending a single Penny of his 3.5 billion fortune. If AVB is just given the money from the Under Armour deal (50 million), or the 50 million that was made in the CL season 2 seasons back (which has not been spent), or some of the profits made from the sales of player in the last few windows he could bring in those 2 players to create his OWN TEAM... If AVB is given 50/60 million from the vast fortunes of the 11th richest club on the entire planet to buy his 2 targets it will I believe turn this physically powerful new Tottenham team into an entertaining winning outfit rather than yet another, almost, nearly, not quite there team...
pelebro
OyVeh Maria, you write "Will the real Totteham Hotspur please stand up!" Unfortunately neither Daniel Levy or his penny pinching, triple billionaire boss, the British tax exile, Joe Lewis, are the real Tottenham! Levy is just using our club, as his personal Fantasy Football, play thing, and Lewis? Well Lewis, the seventh wealthiest Britain alive, is just waiting for the right moment to cash in and sale our club, as he did with clubs he previously owned out right, or owned shares in, which include Glasgow Rangers, Slavia Prague, AEK Athens, Vicenza and FC Basel... Not exactly the real Tottenham!
pelebro
VR - if only we'd had Jerome on our side, he could have unpicked the lock....;)
shedboy2
Jerome in the side with EITHER Defoe or Ade wudda ensured more TEAMplay and space-creation for others, and we would easily have won.... and Downing for Bale yesterday wudda been as good.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Guys - We played the best defence in the league with a bank of 5 in-front of them!!! So we failed to score for the first time in 15 or so games.....SO what!! We kept a second consecutive clean sheet, we are nearing full strength and the january transfer window is coming up!! Cheer up FFS it's xmas!!
woodyn17
Guyver - did you miss bale's inch perfect cross to ade then ? Same old garbage being spouted, avb knows nothing, two camps in dressing room etc etc. almost laughable.
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