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Tottenham Hotspur vs. Stoke City.

Just looking at Stoke's record this season and their past reputation gives an indication of what is probably in store tomorrow and I doubt it will be pretty.

It is fair to say that Stoke City represent the uglier side of Premiership football and are probably the side I least enjoy watching, such is their physical approach and to not lose at all costs way of playing is hardly what the purists look for in a game today. In recent seasons, we have seen the likes of Swansea enhance the Premiership with their lovely brand of football, and though I respect any team doing what they need to to retain and build on their status, I would argue that in the case of Tony Pulis and Stoke, they might be evolving slowly away from the famous Delap throws, but that change appears snail paced at best.

In their defence, with such riches to be had by simply staying in the Premiership, can we blame Stoke for sticking pretty much with a working plan. Sitting comfortably in mid table might not excite some, but with the gulf ever widening between the Prem and Championship, just staying in the top flight is a very healthy place to be, even if it isn't always pretty. Maybe, having a team that looks to offer a different challenge should actually be embraced instead of being chastised and perhaps we should look at how to overcome the Stoke way of playing instead of moaning about how we don't like it.

Stoke appear to be like every other opponent we have faced in recent weeks and seem to be in good form. Unbeaten in seven games, they are certainly going to feel they can get something at WHL tomorrow and as they have done in the past. If they keep things tight and frustrate us, they have a chance of getting at least a point and perhaps more. In saying that, their away form isn't great, with only one win and seven goals from their nine games, hardly being much to worry about, but if we consider they have drawn five of those, we might again expect a well organised and stubborn opposition who would be delighted with another draw on their travels. Last week, I felt they were very fortunate to get a point, as Everton missed several chances to wrap the game up and despite Marouane Fellaini's attempts to beat up Ryan Shawcross, Stoke were again fortunate to pick up their 9th draw in seventeen games.

Spurs will be delighted to see both Gareth Bale and Michael Dawson return to contention, whilst Scott Parker is gaining fitness after another 68 minutes in mid-week. BAE is back in training, but I doubt he is considered ready to jump straight in after such a long absence. Emmanuel Adebayor is a doubt after going off against Swansea, and I wonder if the return of Bale will allow Clint Dempsey to move inside and Adebayor will either miss out completely or sit on the bench depending on how fit or unfit he is? At the back, I wonder if AVB will adopt the same approach to his selection against a big and physical West Ham in bringing back Dawson to compete against, I assume Walters and Crouch, with Caulkers pace and strength allowing William Gallas a weekend off (or at least the bench) As with that game, I wonder if Jan Vertonghen will revert to left back and give us a big and physical back line.

Elsewhere, I think that Parker will have to wait a little longer to make his return and Sandro and Dembele will retain their places, with Lennon and Bale either side. In what I assume will then be a straight fight between Dempsey and Adebayor, I have a feeling that the injury Emmanuel sustained last week, will give AVB the perfect reason to rest the striker and hope that Dempsey continues his improving form. My team for tomorrow would be as follows: Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Caulker, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Dempsey, Bale, Defoe.



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Friday December 21 2012
Time: 4:19PM

Comments

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get in there. will be a hard match, did i read that stoke are the biggest team in europe?
Yidd Fein
21/12/2012 16:35:00
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Looks like another 90 minutes of boredom, a few injuries and a Stoke breakout in the 95th minute. I imagine Stoke will be perfectly happy with our patient, crab-style approach of late and the way that they block the whole central penalty area will make threading passes through very difficult. Best option would be crosses from the bye-line but we only have a midget in the middle, although this could make it difficult for Shawcross to grab hold of him as he is so small! Very difficult to see where goals will come from the way we have been playing so it depends if AVB has some more tricks up his sleeve. A bore draw looks most likely to me. Hope to be proved resoundingly wrong.
Harry-Kari
21/12/2012 16:39:00
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the team above looks pretty likely.......although i wouldn't be surprised to see Gallas for Dawson. Just hope Caulker and Vertonghen both play, this w'end. Let's smash them potters !!......pred' 4-1.
82spursdebut
21/12/2012 16:44:00
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4- 0 ,
This will be AVB`s reckoning .The masses will awake & know their yoda .Greatness is upon us
big cockeral
21/12/2012 16:54:00
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Benny's been back in training for over a week now hasn't he? Difficult call there. I'd prefer to see Jan central and Benny on the left but it might be too soon. If Ade is fit maybe this is the game to play him up top against a very physical team, Dempsey in behind him and Defoe on the bench.
Kes80
21/12/2012 17:10:00
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Ideally I would agree with Vert continuing at LB, but with a physical side, I can see AVB putting him at LB for extra strength and height. As you say Benny has been back for about a week, but he has no playing minutes, though perhaps it is felt he doesn't need any such is his readiness, but that is surely a gamble after so long out
oxfordspur
21/12/2012 17:12:00
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Looking at the overall form guide ( http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2012-2013/form-table/full ) this game sees third (us) versus fourth (Stoke). However, just looking at home games, we are placed sixth (on form) and looking at Stoke's away form, they are placed twelfth. So what does this tell us. It tells us that I've got far too much time on my hands
In-spurs-ational
21/12/2012 17:23:00
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Hope Parker can play tomorrow. Get him back into the fight good and proper with this game. Looking forwarward to seeing how Vertonghen handles tomorrow. He's got skills, is composed, and good at reading the game, but the bean pole will be a totally different challenge.
oi.you.there
21/12/2012 17:33:00
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could be a good time to face stoke... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2249334/Maroune-Fellaini-headbutts-Ryan-Shawcross-Referees-launch-clampdown-holding-penalty-box.html of course we don't really have a decent penalty taker though, whats the bet that stoke finally get penalised for their rugby and we miss the penalty
Guernman
21/12/2012 17:33:00
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Hari-Kari, the game is all about opinions of course but the fact is we are the highest goal-scorers outside of Manchester so not sure where your "the way we are playing i don't know where the goals are coming from" comment comes from? As for our style of play, yes it is much, much more tactical now, based on possession, finding gaps between defenders and nullifying the opposition strengths. Sounds good to me and despite an incredibly difficult set of circumstances at the start of the season, the results prove its working. Perhaps you prefer the Redknapp 'go out and run about a bit' way of doing it - unfortunately that way is not sustainable as its too easily sussed out by opponents and phucks the players by January. I think we have just grown up as a team and have gone up a level. And we haven't even properly started yet.
StillRickyVilla
21/12/2012 17:45:00
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I fully expect us to have done our homework on Stoke giving us the best possible chance of a victory. Of course its a game of football at the end of the day and anything can happen, but i'm sure AVB has made sure the odds are stacked in our favour.
StillRickyVilla
21/12/2012 17:48:00
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Bale is back... Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war! 3 POINTS!!!
TopSpur13
21/12/2012 18:02:00
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as a side we are bigger and quicker that in recent years and I feel this will count in our favour. Last week everton were very unlucky not to get the three points and I feel we will do the same if we play anything like we can
oxfordspur
21/12/2012 18:06:00
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Going out to buy a neck-brace tomorrow morning. Surprised they haven't moved the game to Twickenham. Stoke and Pulis are an absolute disgrace to the name of football.
matt hoten
21/12/2012 19:29:00
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matt hoten, I know Stoke aren't the prettiest team in the league, but I'd hardly call them a disgrace. They do well with what they've got. Hopefully we should have more than enough to get the points tomorrow
In-spurs-ational
21/12/2012 19:39:00
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I hope big bad men don't chucky ball long at us, me no like it
Viyyash-Ramosh
21/12/2012 19:41:00
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.... also, totally agree with Ox's reasoning on Verts at LB... we will need his height as a 3rd centre-back in dead-ball situations.
Viyyash-Ramosh
21/12/2012 19:42:00
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....that is... we will need Verts height in addition to that of 2 tall CBs height... not to mention Walker's (oohh I just did)
Viyyash-Ramosh
21/12/2012 19:43:00
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With our congested festive fixtures, I expect some further rotation. Siggy to start, also caulker and Dawson at the back with naughton and walker. If all is well, then Parker on at 75' for Sandro, also Townsend looked ok and may get a run later. 2-0.
van der haart lane
21/12/2012 19:46:00
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If Parker and Bale are fit to play id go with this..

.............................Defoe....................................

.......Bale..............Dembele.................Lennon......

...............Parker................Sandro......................

...Verts..........Dawson......Caulker........Walker.....

...............................Lloris..................................
Yidmarks
21/12/2012 20:40:00
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Ade for Parker at half-time... Put Demebel back in his spot and push Ade on with Defoe....
Yidmarks
21/12/2012 20:42:00
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I like your team ox, van der's suggestion of siggy is good but I think Dempsey will offer that hard man approach needed to handle stoke.

We're all meeting early tomorrow for a good Christmas drink and I reckon a lot of others will be as well, really need to get behind spurs especially if stoke try to bore us out.
T.H.F.Chris
21/12/2012 20:47:00
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Yidmarks, had a similar team, swap Ade for Defoe. My worry is that we are picking a team to suit them, maybe could be best to pick a team that suits us at home. My biggest worry is that Gallas plays, too slow but also terrible at cross balls. Must be benched!
RAF Yid
21/12/2012 21:17:00
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dempsey is a weakling, too easily shrugged off the ball. we can't play him in adebayor's position against stoke. unless we're looking to draw freekicks in dangerous positions, one thing he is really good at.
dazzwater
21/12/2012 21:26:00
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looks like it's Football Manager time. my turn:
...................Adebayor.....Defoe...........................

.......Bale..............Dembele.................Lennon......

...............Parker................Sandro......................

............Verts........Dawson........Walker..........

...............................Lloris..................................
dazzwater
21/12/2012 21:29:00
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This is probably one of the two least awaited and anticipated fixtures on the list, the other being Stoke City (A). It will no doubt be a dour affair, with them trying to kick the life out of us, spoil the game at every opportunity, without even making a token attempt to play any football. They are just a total anti-football outfit, the entry criteria to their squad being that you are 6'2" and a nasty prat not adverse to kicking 7 bells out of anything that comes near you. They are managed by that well known MENSA member Tony Pullis who will be seen running up and down the touch line in his base-ball cap, screaming his head off, and arguing with anybody who will listen. If there was any justice they would get relegated back to where they belong, and leave the PL to those who want to play the game properly.
Frank
21/12/2012 21:53:00
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Does anybody know who the appointed referee is, he will no doubt be a key man against this lot. We should also expect to pick up injuries.
Frank
21/12/2012 21:56:00
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Dazz man I don't think Dempsey is that weak, against Liverpool he got chopped down about 4 times because they couldn't tackle him. I'd be more worried about your team mate, 4 of those are coming back from injuries which is not ideal when you are going to get booted about by the most boring team in the league.
T.H.F.Chris
21/12/2012 22:05:00
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Stoke remind me of the average working man - the man would do everything to keep his job as they are so hard to get nowadays with all the economic $h**e taking place and the same with Stoke, doing well to keep their place in the Premier League in an ugly but effective way. We're really in for it tomorrow, can see a 1-1 here, hope I'm proved wrong. Gonna be a real frustrating game, hope the lads really put on a show though...agree with Ox's team, Dawson and Caulker must play - height is crucial against that lot....anyway, COYS!
COYS_TSB
21/12/2012 22:10:00
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Well said Frank, the ball will go high tomorrow, high enough so about half the stoke team have time to run down our end and catch the bounce, and when it goes off the field of play they will try and throw it in the net.
matt hoten
21/12/2012 22:24:00
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Doesn't matter what tactics Stoke bring to the party tomorrow they'll still be leaving with nothing more than their tails between their legs. The boys tomorrow will have been told more than to just go out there and "run around a bit", AVB is far more meticulous in his preparation than the last bloke and we'll be far too good for them. The only thing that concerns me tomorrow is picking up injuries due to a weak referee. Hopefully we'll get Foy again and he'll make up for all his mistakes last time out, which should see Stoke finish with 9 men. COYS
thfc1882whl
21/12/2012 22:51:00
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Dazz, Demsey is the most improved player in our team in last fewgames - His linkup play has improved & his first touch has improved , which were his weak point in initial games. I see him progressing with us
sydqcb5
21/12/2012 22:52:00
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I just have this good feeling about the game today.
sydqcb5
21/12/2012 22:53:00
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SRV, my comment about where the goals are coming from relates to the game tomorrow. The possession game looks nice until we have to find a gap and as I said Stoke excel at not providing any gaps through the middle, that's why I suggested that wing-play and crosses might be more productive. We'll have to see how AVB plays it tomorrow. I think it will be tough.
Harry-Kari
21/12/2012 22:58:00
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COME ON YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN :-)

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all :-))
Madaboutspurs
21/12/2012 23:06:00
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Madaboutspurs, Merry Christmas to you to. So glad you didn't say "Happy Holidays" like the pc police would want us to say.
In-spurs-ational
21/12/2012 23:29:00
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These are the type of games we MUST start winning, even if it requires a dog fight. Not many teams walk all over Stoke, certainly not with a decent margin. We are 4th and we need to be coming out of the x-mas congestion in at least that position.

IMO, the points are ours if we can get an early goal against this lot. I am pretty sure the conceding of late goals is going to be a thing of past.

Adams is out (bereavement), the ref will be extra vigilant in the penalty areas, Lloris’s presence in the penalty area gives me further confidence.

I can see Gallas starting and later replaced by Daws. May see Defoe and Ade start. Ade for his height, physicality and to counter their bean poles and Defoe replaced by Dempsey in the last 20 mins. COYS!
Critical_Spur
22/12/2012 00:22:00
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Inspurational, political correctness sometimes goes mad. There is this suburb in Melbourne where the council will only allow banners of 'Season's Greetings' in public places and non of the 'Merry Christmas' ones. wtf!! I am not of Christian faith and I say MERRY CHRISTMAS to everyone
Madaboutspurs
22/12/2012 00:55:00
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According to Portugese reports, Porto is looking to sign Hector Herrera, Mexican International as a successor to Moutinho. His 'likely' destination is England, but they say its possible only end of season
sydqcb5
22/12/2012 01:07:00
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Merry Christmas to you Mad & every Spurs
sydqcb5
22/12/2012 01:08:00
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Thanks syd. Merry Xmas & Happy New Year. 4 wins in a row would be a nice Christmas present for all of us. I believe.
Madaboutspurs
22/12/2012 01:29:00
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As long as the players put themselves physically in profit for the team, we should be okay. No, I don't know what that means either
In-spurs-ational
22/12/2012 05:33:00
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Opinions, opinions and more opinions. Well my opinion is that we don't know whose fit and who's not, whether Moutinho or anybody else wants to come to Spurs, Levy's aspirations or as yet AVB's credentials as a top coach. We can only judge results over a reasonable period and with 25 competitive games now played the results have been mixed to say the least. What's clear is that we need to beat the likes of Stoke consistently to earn the right to considered serious challengers for 4th+ with the squad we've got.
Love totty
22/12/2012 07:50:00
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Hope ade is fit as we could do with his strength and hold up play in this one and agree - no gallas and replace with caulker as he is better than Dawson and strong, but would be happy to see Dawson there too. Coys. Siggy is not a bad shout if bale doesn't make this one or we decide to protect him, but thankfully, no Adam.
Windlespur
22/12/2012 08:01:00
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Love totty, true, except we drew at home and lost away to Stoke last season so i guess we weren't serious Top 4 challengers last year either were we? I don't know what will happen today, its a one-off game of football anything can happen - what we do know is we have a manager who will be preparing meticulously to give us the best possible chance. And as long as the players and fans give it 100% on the pitch and in the stands - that's good enough for me. You can't ask for any more than that.
StillRickyVilla
22/12/2012 10:29:00
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As for results so far this season. Only a mug would not have cut them some slack early on considering it was virtually a new team, a new manager, a new system, critical injuries suffered and a negative media baying for AVB's blood, which in turn was negatively influencing the fans at the ground. Despite all that we sit in 4th place with our injured players coming back soon and the new system starting to bed in. In my eyes i don't see how it realistically could have gone better. But as you say, it all about opinions!
StillRickyVilla
22/12/2012 10:41:00
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JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE BELLS, JINGLE ALL THE WAY, OH WHAT FUN IT IS TO SEE, TOTTENHAM WIN AWAY........keep that in the locker for boxing day, WE WILL FIGHT FOREVER MORE BECAUSE OF BOXING DAY. Today the Rugby team, known as Stoke come to the lane, like for like not a difficult game, will the skill over come the kickers, is this the club Charlie Adam plays for, Or is he out injured, the dirty ba****d. I feel we can win this, dropping points against this lot would be a sin, couple of goals in the first half would be good, we have had a few 0-0 at half time recently. COYSPURSSSSS lets have all three points. WISHING ALL SPURS FANS A HAPPY CHRISTMAS, so lets get this party started with a WIN.
spu 4 life
22/12/2012 10:54:00
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clocked it in a post, No Adam.
spu 4 life
22/12/2012 10:56:00
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And good luck to WIGAN
spu 4 life
22/12/2012 10:57:00
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SRV - I did say the likes of Stoke consistently and judge over a reasonable period so I won't over-react either way to today's result. Every club has changes to it's personnel over the summer. AVB has had a full pre-season and 25 competitive games now so no more lame excuses are acceptable. I'm not expecting miracles, just achieving expectation with watchable performances will do fine. Harry blew it last year and with our rivals faltering it would be criminal to repeat that sorry mess. We'll have to shift now to get the 70 points it will probably take so c'mon AVB, show us your mettle.
Love totty
22/12/2012 11:06:00
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I noticed what_sux hasn't been around for a while. Anyone know what happened? Did ox ban him because of his pics.? I liked what_sux . :-(
Madaboutspurs
22/12/2012 11:40:00
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Thing is, what exactly are your expectations? To finish above 'money no object' Chelsea who've just spend £100m+ on cream like Hazard, Oscar, Mata with expensive stars, that we would love, like Lukaku and Sturridge not even getting in their squad? Or finish above the scum who've moulded their club over the last 15 years and have finished Top 4 every single season over that time and have a quality squad to match, spending a third to double more than what we do in wages? To be in and around these clubs considering our 'lame excuses' (LOL - not at all lame IMO) is a perfectly acceptable performance so far in my opinion. There are 16 other clubs including media favourite Rodgers and Liverpool that would love to be in our position. O'Neil has spent fortunes at Sunderland, Hughes at QPR and look at them. Its not easy. I think we need to reign in our expectations and enjoy the ride. If our expectations are to challenge for PL titles its a pipe-dream unless our owners change or the PL change the financial rules or Fair Play bites. The vitriol needs to be pointed at ENIC who STILL haven't sorted the stadium and shafted AVB again in the summer or the PL itself that lends itself to financially duped clubs winning year after year. Not the guys like AVB and the players who are doing their very best under those circumstances.
StillRickyVilla
22/12/2012 12:55:00
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StillRickyVilla, thing is, if Harry was still our manager, even though we have no Mod or Rafa we would be ten points clear at the top of the league
In-spurs-ational
22/12/2012 13:31:00
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Difficult game Stoke have known to beat us and I really hope we get a win and win the next few games
thfan
22/12/2012 14:13:00
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happy with team selection. pleasure to see AVB pick the players to suit each game.
ledders77
22/12/2012 14:13:00
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Our starting team today is: Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Dawson, Vertonghen, Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Bale, Defoe and Adebayor Our subs: Friedel, Naughton, Gallas, Livermore, Sigurdsson, Townsend and Parker
ledders77
22/12/2012 14:15:00
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well that team is very pleasing to see. famous last words, i hope not.
82spursdebut
22/12/2012 14:19:00
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Defoe + Ade together = GOALS.
Viyyash-Ramosh
22/12/2012 14:20:00
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Strongest spurs team all season, like the line up, lets hope they do the business, a rafa fact for yer dembele hasn't lost a game when he's been on the pitch, was subbed when playing Everton, COYS
birdmanspurs
22/12/2012 14:27:00
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Whats happened to Dempsey?
TopSpur13
22/12/2012 14:29:00
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Dembele never on pitch when Spurs lose is just a nothing stat... abit like we've never lost when the goalkeeper wears fishnet-stockings and high-heels
Viyyash-Ramosh
22/12/2012 14:31:00
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If you want to see a really poor team, watch Wigan play Arsenal. Their player Beausejour is really bad. Can't cross and always loses the ball. Gave up a penalty and then seconds later wasted one of their better chances to score.
jvd
22/12/2012 14:32:00
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SRV - My expectation at the start of the season was to at least maintain the momentum, get close to 70 points again and be in the hunt for 4th spot, no more than that. I considered that the squad we had was as good and probably better than the Poo or the Scum who would likely be our rivals for that spot. I agree that the big three spenders are almost impossible to challenge. I won't be calling for AVB's head if if we get the points but just miss out, but if we're off the pace, bu**er his meticulous planning, he will have failed.
Love totty
22/12/2012 14:35:00
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Really, ramosh, dembele on the pitch or off, we're a better team when he plays, look at the games we lost if he was playing the results might of been so different
birdmanspurs
22/12/2012 14:36:00
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if my aunt had been born male, she'd be my aunt... etc etc.. I agree that we are better when he plays, but I could say that about 8-9 players.
Viyyash-Ramosh
22/12/2012 14:39:00
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Walcott goes down really easy when hardly touched in the box and earns le scum a win
philbill
22/12/2012 14:41:00
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Love totty, that's fair enough. I would argue that we are missing our entire spine of team from last year so difficult to 'maintain the momentum' but so be it. And also what momentum? We hardly won a game in 2012 before AVB took over! Anyway doesn't matter does it. Any one got any links for todays game?
StillRickyVilla
22/12/2012 14:41:00
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...that is, to say... my 'uncle'
Viyyash-Ramosh
22/12/2012 14:44:00
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Bale is back, nice.... Dawson in for Gallas, nice.... Defoe up top with Ade as the #10, nice nice nice. Sigs, Parker and Townsend on the bench looks nicely set up for legs and grit towards the end. No Dempsey's a bit of a mystery, but anyhow, let's try not to lose anyone to knocks this game. Keep Walters well marked and don't leave Etherington any space, he likes scoring against us. Lloris should be aggressive enough to keep Crouch at bay. COYS!!!
tengboon
22/12/2012 14:46:00
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Love Totty the results aren't really "mixed" as you say. we're in 4th/5th at the moment and that is more like leaning on the plus side of things. In the EL we are in the round of 32, so still on the plus side and we are out of The CC Cup but still in the FA cup, call that mixed. All in all THFC is doing well with an 80% squad and should improve as the top players come back and gain form.
jvd
22/12/2012 14:46:00
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Hello, any links today ??
AlexSpur
22/12/2012 14:47:00
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Wigan weren't poor...Arseanal were f@cking lucky with the penalty given to them...otherwise, they were matched and outdone in most instances by Wigan. Carzola was non-existent. Martinez really transformed this Wigan side greatly, and with just a couple of quality additions mediocre Arseanal would have been beat easily.
dcruzer
22/12/2012 14:50:00
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Dempsey has a groin strain apparently
oxfordspur
22/12/2012 14:51:00
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Alexspur, www.firstrowsports.eu has been clutch for me here in Shanghai
tengboon
22/12/2012 14:55:00
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must win game, lets not get bullied
123spurs
22/12/2012 14:56:00
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