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Aston Villa vs. Tottenham Hotspur.

Ever since Villa suffered a total humiliation at the hands of Chelsea, I've been trying to decide whether that was a blessing or a curse for Tottenham.

My heart hopes and prays that Villa's young players will be crushed from the mauling at Stamford Bridge and Paul Lambert won't have had the time to do anything radical on the training pitch to in players minds, however, I do wonder if a a hefty kick up a few backsides will force a history tells us that young players and teams have a habit of being brilliant one game and absolutely useless the next.

Also playing at home might well be a problem in terms of tactics for Lambert, who may feel that playing safe and looking to regain some confidence and composure, might prove all the harder by a home support that will have been equally bruised by Sundays loss and will want to see their team come out fighting in response as opposed to looking to be cautious and keep things tight. No home fan wants to see his team sit back and play in a manner that seems negative and Spurs are perhaps not a team to be facing so soon after their own frustrations of dropping two points at home to Stoke.

Equally, can Villa seriously look to take the game to Spurs and potentially be ripped apart on the counter by the likes of Lennon and Bale? This really is a huge test of Paul Lambert's managerial qualities. Perhaps Villa fans might look for crumbs of comfort in last seasons heavy defeats of Norwich and the regenerative powers of Lambert, but in all their big defeats last season, defeat followed the next game and with so many young players at Villa, can you expect too many big characters, but do they have that 'bouncebackability' of players that defy their age? I am not sure.

Perhaps in part by his own making or at least that of a board anxious to cut costs, Lambert hasn't too many experienced options to call upon to add wisdom and organisation. Bent and Dunne are both definitely out, whilst Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia and Vlaar are all very doubtful, so it could well be that Lambert has no other option but to play pretty much the same team as he put out on Sunday. It did cross my mind that he got things wrong tactically in playing a 3-5-2/5-3-2 formation, whether that assisted in Villa's inability to take the game to Chelsea or that they were simply over-run, it is always up for debate.

Chelsea to their credit were superb, but their opposition was shockingly open and naive, with little ability to make vital on pitch adjustments and perhaps we can again look to the fragility of those on the bench such as Stephen Ireland, who were obviously deemed to be incapable of offering anything to the youngsters. If Villa and the fans keep their heads and back this young but promising side, they may well reap the benefits, but you feel there could be quite a bit of pain in the short to medium term and in this time will the struggles take its toll on the players who need guidance in their time of development.

As for Spurs, Clint Dempsey doesn't appear ready for today, however he is believed to be near enough to fitness to be available for Sunderland at the weekend. Scott Parker and Benoit Assou-Ekotto are both in the squad, though whether either will start is up for debate. Certainly in the case of BAE, the fact he hasn't kicked a competitive ball since the 1st of September, surely makes him a big question mark, however he has always appeared to be naturally athletic and capable of playing every game and may well be seen as being ready to play. With Jan Vertonghen voicing his desire to play in the centre, you wonder if it will be a pick between BAE and Naughton wherever possible from now on. It did cross my mind that certainly the right footed Naughton would be perfect to have the left footed, right winger of Adam Johnson at the weekend, so will he play today and the weekend, with Jan in the middle, perhaps alongside Gallas or Caulker?

Other than the left back/centre back position, I feel that we will probably stick quite close to the team we have in recent games, however, with a busy Christmas period, will this game be an ideal one to rest Sandro (for Parker) and play Sigurdsson behind Adebayor, and then use Defoe and Dempsey at Sunderland? Gallas and Caulker also seem good rotational options and perhaps who is seen as being a better foil for either Benteke or Fletcher, might get the nod. For me, I would be very happy to see a starting line up of Lloris, Walker, Caulker, Vertonghen, BAE/Naughton; Parker, Dembele; Lennon, Sigurdsson, Bale and Adebayor and that offers sensible rotation, whilst also offering a team which I believe will be far too strong for what I believe and hope will be a Villa side in turmoil, for one more game at the very least...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday December 26 2012

Time: 11:53AM

Your Comments

COYS!
Hotspur 1882
Time to make experience count.
Time to start making possession count.
So often Spurs dominate matches, without applying the killer touch - goals.
Hotspur 1882
villa will win 1-0...
shlok27
we need to show a bit of creativity and score today...Jan to keep Benteke quiet....naughton start LB, BAE to come on later in the game when we're 3-0 up...;)
shedboy2
Hear hear Hotspur. We need to do something about our goal difference. I also hope Walker can get his game together. I am fed up seeing him get the ball and then stop and wait for all the opposition to get back in position before he kicks it either sideways or backwards. How many attacking opportunities have been wasted by his slow decision making. Apart from that we MUST get 3 points. COYS
Big Ron
I have a feeling BAE will start today, guessing from comments of Vertonghen today.

My XI - Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Vertonghen, BAE, Sandro, Dembele, Bale, Lennon, Adebayor, Defoe.
I want to give a start to Gylfi, but considering Villa are slightly edgy in their defense after 8-0 drubbing, I want to go for Ade & Defoe.
sydqcb5
We are one of the leagues top away scorers, so hopefully shlok27 is wrong. Villa are also weak at the back, but we need to go at them from the off. Maybe a few changes to rest players and keep some fresh in this busy period. Parker to give sandro a break before Sunderland match, tell bale to produce an hour of magic and then get siggy on. In fact, I would start with siggy instead of jd or ade after their woeful performances in last match. Coys
Windlespur
Can we go with only three at the back. Our last two games have seen the opposition park the bus. I can see Villa doing the same after their last game. We need someone with a killer pass in them. Maybe a game for Hudd. He's slow but I don't think pace is what we need in this game.
In-spurs-ational
What's Up with Spurs being heavily linked with Wesley?We cant even afford his salary!and for today's game 2-0 to spurs.My team would be-Lloris,Walker,Dawson,Verts,Naughton,Sandro,Dembele,Lennon,Siggi,Bale and Defoe up top
SilwalYid
another draw.... the attacking players of Spurs have started to compete against each other, rather than the opposition... sad to see.
Viyyash-Ramosh
SilwalYid, I posted the following on an earlier thread : As for Sneijder, I think the following article hits the nail on the head http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/ tottenham-transfer-news-wesley-sneijder-inter- january-418258.html A quote from it " Sneijder is paid a staggering £200,000 per week by Inter Milan.... And this, in turn, could also mean problems for Tottenham, who do not have the wage structure in place (or finances) to offer such enormous wages." Nuff said
In-spurs-ational
I hope that we see either BAE or Naughton at LB and we see vertonghen now playing at CB for the long term. if that is the case, it will be interesting to see who AVB selects over the next two games as his partner
oxfordspur
@ Viyyash-Ramosh. I agree 100% re our strikers playing for their own place as opposed to as a team. I have mentioned exactly the same in a couple of recent articles and it is a big reason why I have talked of playing one of Defoe or Ade instead of them as a pair. I feel it can work together and we have seen brief occasions when it has shown potential, but in recent games, they look to play as individuals, which hasnt worked
oxfordspur
I am too in the camp of suggesting that too many players are playing for themselves rather than the team. In view of that, I’d like to see Defoe on the bench, Ade upfront on his own with Gilfi in the team. Agree also that we need to stop this holding on to the ball too long. About time we saw that incisive fast passing team that made us envy of many in the past few seasons. We have enough in our locker to win this comfortably. 2-0 to Spurs, as long as we go for the jugular from the off!. COYS!

As for the Wesley rumours....well, think about it. We had the same issue with Ade’s signing. IMO, it can be done. Wheeler dealer Levy can buy him on the cheap and compensate by paying higher salary. IMO also, Wes would be a better option than Van der Vaart.
Critical_Spur
Critical_Spur, personally I think the Sneijder rumours are so that he can get a move to a bigger club. Basically you start a rumor saying a team is close to buying you in the hope that it will trigger a counter bid from someone else. Why choose Spurs for the rumour? Simple, we are a big enough club that Sneijder "might" join us, but we are not big enough for other clubs to think they have no chance of hijacking the deal. If the rumour was that City wanted him, every other club would think they have no chance. With Spurs, clubs will know that we don't pay huge wages so will think that there is hope for them
In-spurs-ational
Oh, and starting the rumour in the first place just reinforces the message of "I'm available, come get me"
In-spurs-ational
Although one game should never be sufficient to draw conclusions from, it is sobering to realise that if we lose, at the half way point we would then need to be ten points better in the second half to reach the 70 point target. Win and making up 4 points doesn't seem too bad.
Love totty
In-Spurs, I agree with your thinking. Wonder if we are to make a marquee signing or look to sign a little known gem in the shape of Benteke, Michu, Ba, Cisse. Back to the old scouting system to unearth that gem. But imo we have a good mix of youth and experience at the Lane and most have said, we do need an EXPERINCED playmaker and a Striker. Wesley ticks one of the boxes. I think this windows will be one for a mass clearout, which is well overdue. Just hope Levy doesn’t tighten his belt too much, nor demand a king’s ransom for the likes of Bentley, Janas and Gomes.
Critical_Spur
I think there is a lot of truth in the rumour regarding Sneijder. As the Italian expert point out on Talksport, there are not many clubs that can afford him that actually need him. we certainly do need him, in fact, probably the kind of player we need most. We cannot afford to pay 200k a week to any player as well as shelling out the 25+ million Sneijder is worth. However, Inter are desperate to get him off there wage bill. I think a deal is there to be done and there is still the money left that we would have paid for Moutinho.
asherthesmasher
Even if this Sneijder rumour was true would we want him? transfer fee too high; wages too high; form has dipped dramtically and no doubt he woudl demand to start every match - possibly a signing thats more hassle than its worth and not really an AVB signing in my eyes.
MrSpurs
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Parker start this match. My Line-up would be:

Lloris
Walker, Gallas,Vert, Naughton
Parker,Sandro
Gylfi,Dembele,Bale
Ade

Defoe and Lennon to come on in 2nd half.

COYS!
Critical_Spur
Considering the Villa Chelsea result this will be a tough game controlling midfield will be key, need to play 5 in the middle and Sandro + Parker should give us that energy and physical presence. My only concern is Ade he really needs to be up for it today if selected in one up front.
MrSpurs
What about a back line of Naughton Dawson Vertongen and BAE. Give Walkier a rest What about a back line of Naughton, Dawson, Vertongen and BAE Mid field the usual culprits Lennon, Dembele Sandro Bale with Gylfi and Ade up front?
Big Ron
sorry about the formatting
Big Ron
so Chelscum and Everton both are winning!
SilwalYid
Danny Rose having a good game against City, one of Sunderland's best players, 1-0 to Sunderland with 10 mins to go.
ItalianYiddo
and *****ty losing!
SilwalYid
Chicarito just won 3 points for United in 91 minutes
SilwalYid
Lloris, Walker, Gallas, Vertonghen, Naughton, Sandro, Dembele, Lennon, Bale, Adebayor and Defoe Our subs today: Friedel, Caulker, Dawson, Livermore, Townsend, Parker and Sigurdsson
Oxfordspur
ill tell u what yids never do a man city man utd double ever again, *****in disaster, bookie is laughing today. i need a pick me up, lets win by 4 and get back into the top 4
Yidd Fein
Lets fecking win this match! Come On You Spurs
SilwalYid
4-4-2 again... I would rather we played 4-2-3-1 with Defoe up top on his own. Hoping that Naughton will have a good game on the left. Hopefully Ade will act as the link between midfield and defence.
Fanman
I don't understand why we're playing 4-4-2 again. It didn't work against Stoke and will cause us to have problems again today. Unless Defoe and Adebayor show a much better attitude today we are going to struggle to score. We've also recalled Gallas. That leaves me worrying too. I'm less optimistic about today's game all of a sudden. I hope we score a couple early so I can relax.
SpuriousLife
so Dawson and Caulker dropped!
SilwalYid
Funny our rotation is mainly at the back where I would have said we didn't need to rotate as much. Hope Gylfi gets on soon. No sign of BAE even on bench is a pity
Big Ron
Gallas against Benteke....Gulp!
HuddersfieldYiddo
On my 18th turkey sandwich from left overs, anyone know what the record is? Hope we dont see Raging Spur today, it will mean we have WON, I think his still over on Vital QPR trying to convince them, what a good manager Arry is.
spu 4 life
BTW where is everyone today? I don't remember such a quiet run up to any match. Maybe they are all out at the sales lol
Big Ron
I can't think of a reason to start Gallas ahead of Dawson? That is a bad move from AVB. Why rotate the defence so much? Last week we kept a clean sheet, then AVB changes the whole defence. It doesn't make any sense?
Fanman
I think gallas plays well with vert, it seems that caulker is the one that weakens our back line with his poor communication, though would have liked to see Dawson play. Sick to death of naughton on play, make horrendous errors every time as he is played out of position, at least it is villa we are playing a very inexperienced team that you would expect bale and Lennon to take apart although you know they won't, it will be a close game!
Spursnoob
I'm getting so tired of seeing defoes name in the starting line up. This love triangle with Avb, Dempsey and Defoe needs to be ended. Why the hell does he not play siggy for Fuc* sake.
01tottenham
If we don't dominate today then AVB has to be sacked...end of. Can't even put together a strong team sheet.
01tottenham
01tottenham, you have to appreciate the goals that Defoe has scored for us this season. He's an improved player under AVB. He's earned a place in the first XI.
Fanman
I think Defoe-Ade has worked fantastically well last year, when both had a vested interest to engance their interests by doing the best for the team: Ade to secure a long-term contract and Defoe to secure a regular place ahead of Vaart.... now the 2 feel their places are assured and can focus on simply scoring more goals than the other.... sort of Bale-Lite..... time to introduce just 1 quality striker to compete for 2 slots with Defoeand Ade
Viyyash-Ramosh
Spursnoob, lets hope Gallas and Verts play well today. I think that our weakest links are Walker and Naughton out of position.
Fanman
Fanman, I do mate I just can't stand when he kills half our play with his stupid long range shooting. Half the time he is Annonymous. We need a world class striker asap.
01tottenham
Damn those backpasses!
SilwalYid
01tottenham - AVB has to be sacked?! Over reaction much. Although you are spot on about us needing a top striker, competition provides better performances imo.
rahn DMC
What type of corner was that from Walker?
SilwalYid
we need an early goal!
SilwalYid
Villa have parked the bus.
Fanman
Winning games means scoring goals. I really hope it's not yet another game of loads of spurs possession 20 odd chances and 1 or no points. Would love to. See sneidjar at the lane but more than that I'd love to see a top class striker join us.
strawboy
Spurs look far too laid back in these games. They look as though they expect to win just because they turn up.....
philbill
Defoe wastes the perfect chance and we're slowly letting Villa settle into the game!
SilwalYid
we don't do well when we dominate so much, ironically, this is like the away match in greece. we will either win by three or so, or lose it in a moment of complacency
Guernman
How the feck are we not winning this game? More chances that Chelski, More corners that Chelski. More possession than chelski. They are so content with not being beat they are playing like a young stoke!!! For all our pretty pretty football we look poor. No cutting edge and our shooting is woeful!!!
woodyn17
How many corners do we need to score a ******** goal.... watching Spurs these days frustrates me
philbill
I'd get parker up there to fire a rocket up Bales arse!!!
woodyn17
If we don't go in at least 1-0 up at half time we need a serious talking to!!
woodyn17
15 corners in one half has to be a record!!!!
woodyn17
Ade is *****, get us a striker levy a good one
philbill
This is not good enough there must be coversations during training about our inability to break teams down but Im not seeing anything different, cant be placed on Bales shoulders every game....same old same old....
MrSpurs
14 corners!Villa are really parking the bus
SilwalYid
Take off Defoe and put on siggy for fuc* sake. There's no creativity in this spurs team. We can see it but AVB can't.
01tottenham
We're creatively really naive!!
SilwalYid
FFS, why aren’t we 6-0 up?!!!. 12-0 Corners, 14-1 shots on goal. Forgot, we are Spurs and we do things the hard way! COYS!
Critical_Spur
I just dont like the way we play under AVB. Siggy should come on for ADe he looks lethargic and ***** to me
philbill
This game typifies our problems, we are murdering this lot but can't score, just like the Stoke game, we get loads of possesion but have nobody to pick the lock, or take the chances created, against teams that just sit an defend we are ineffective. If AVB honestly believes we don't need anybody in the January window he is sadly dimmented, this lot can't finish top 4.
Frank
My word this is truly awful. Dire. Boring. Slow. S***. We're literally playin ourselves. Villa aren't even making it a contest and we're still woeful. No one in Jan??? AVB having a laugh?
mattspurs1982
We have to break them down somehow. Oh and we're awful on corners.
Fanman
This game is an example of how reliant we are on Bale!
SilwalYid
The familiar story seems to be taking shape. Another game of total dominance, with fifteen corners and eight shots on goal. But still unable to score.
Hotspur 1882
siggy takes the best corners, lets get him on for defoe
Guernman
If we don't win this then it will be a travesty!! Who do we turn to on the bench? Siggy? come on ffs!! Our squad does not contain one creative midfielder. I can actually see villa popping up and winning 1-0.
woodyn17
As expected, Defoe can't do anything against a park-the-bus defense. Waste of space. Bring in Siggy and add more creativity!
dcruzer
Clueless.....obviously after all the criticism last season the management have been practicing corners and set piece free-kicks....oh wait a moment.
Harry-Kari
If it was a boxing match it would be stopped for a technical KO. Up front we are just abysmal, just no penetration or finishing ability, we are in danger of throwing more points away. Can see exactly how Chelsea scored 8 against this lot, but we will be lucky to get one.
Frank
We need a goal so 01tottenham thinks we should take Defoe off. Thank ***** you are not in charge of my team. People moaning - what can we do? Villa have parked the bus at home & their goalie is playing well. We are playing well, give it time - it will come. COYS
HuddersfieldYiddo
AND, NO. Adebayor hasn't been rubbish. He can't get good service and help from Defoe. We need a really good playmaker.
dcruzer
We need a play-maker and a top striker. Villa will defend against our attacks all day long, and possibly nick all 3 points on the counter-attack. We ha this same problem under Harry against teams who park the bus. 15 corners and not one converted is ridiculous.
Fanman
IS THAT 5 OR 6, GO ON PUNK MAKE MY DAY, games we have gone in 0-0 after 45mins, We have managed to CONTAIN them really well, EXCELLENT PERFORMANCE my phucking arse, what a pile of shi7 PRESURE and sod all to show for it, Walker is phucking keiran dyer, about as much good as a hair dryer for Yul Brenner, How much does WESLEY SNEIJDER want? All stop start football. CRAP..
spu 4 life
Also, weve had some very good corners - Ade, Vert and Lennon nearly scored from corners. What game are you watching? Seriously fellow Spurs fans, am i missing something? We just need 1 goal so they open up & we will put them to the sword. COYS
HuddersfieldYiddo
Three points desperately needed today. WBA and Everton both managed narrow wins. Reports suggest that Wigan outplayed Everton, but were unable to create enough clear cut chances.
Sounds familiar doesn't it?
Hotspur 1882
we lack any penetration cos we are playing 'in straight lines' al the Centre-backs have to do is stick with the strikers and wait for the inevitable cross from Bale... by the time the cross comes the strikers are already in the box and take a standing-junp at the ball with little effect... Naughton has the best mindset with the way he passes it quickly and into space... Sandro can only pass to feet and is soo mechanical in possession its like watching a robot doing the lambada... 1 team will nick it in the end, but which ??
Viyyash-Ramosh
I'VE SEEN BETTER STRIKERS ON A PICKET LINE
spu 4 life
We have no way to change this game from the bench. The only thing to do is take off Ade or Defoe for Sigurdsson. Both Ade and Defoe have been poor. i can't believe I'm saying this, but we really miss Dempsey, he can unlock a defence with his through passes.
Fanman
If you can't see that we lack creativity then your blind you mug. Defoe yet again is Annonymous. Can you tell me how many clear cut chances Defoe has missed this season mug?
01tottenham
Our subs today: Friedel, Caulker, Dawson, Livermore, Townsend, Parker and Sigurdsson - Don't the reserves have strikers, for phuck sake, someone score make them come over the half way line
spu 4 life
Viyyash-Ramosh lol Sandro is a bit robotic, but he's a great defensive midfielder.
Fanman
Need to go 3-5-2, take off naughton and put on hudd, push dembele forward behind defoe and adebayor, we need more incisiveness from the middle, dembele would be more effective sliding in balls behind defoe and ade. vertongthen also needs to step out of the defence more often, especially if avb does switch to a back 3.
laneno14
GK: lloris/freidel......LB: ekotto/rose.........CB: vertonhagon/kaboul/dawson/caulker/gallas........RB: walker/naughton........ LM: bale/dempsey.........CM: moutinho/sandro/parker/huddlsetone/dembele/carroll........RM: remy or willian/lennon........CAM:dembele/siggy.......FW: defoe/ade/llorente or ba
redknappslayer
Against the bus parkers, the problem IMO is that we build very slowly from the back and allow the opposition to fill pack their defence. We need that telling pass from the back to make those chances. Unfortunately, everytime the ball reaches the midfield, the momentum is lost. Sort it out AVB! Still, we WILL win this match!
Critical_Spur
I feel for AVB. He's playing the only 2 recognised strikers we've got at the club together and we still don't look close to scoring. We need at least 1 new striker and an attacking midfielder in January. Also I wouldn't be surprised if we don't win this game now. Villa will be asking themselves how it's still 0-0. They'll change shape and will believe they can nick this in the second half. They can't play any worse. We on the other hand will be thinking it just isn't going to be our day. I really hope I'm wrong.
SpuriousLife
viyyash ramosh i agree about sandro overated imo
redknappslayer
`i hope Walker scores because he is doing nothing else except give the ball away
Big Ron
Defoe + Adebayor = pure *****e. No movement, no chemistry. 4-4-2 is terrible, especially with these two idiots. I'm so angry at them both.
Tactically Challenge
Defoe-Ade can and has been great... last season, when they both had to play for the TEAM to enhance their own chances of playing.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Phew!!! We are far too casual and slow in passing moving etc. Lookhow long they spend on the ball as if trying to waste time
Big Ron
The first we started moving and trying. But we have a goal
Big Ron
We are playing a classic tottenham game imo (we've done this even before redknapp if i remember right). we're controlling it, passing it around but we just are not clinical enough; we don't make the possession count unlike the really top teams. We are crying out for that player "in the hole" that could unlock the villa defence, and we need to perhaps work a yard or two outside the villa box and get a few more shots in on goal.
rahn DMC
KYLE NAUGHTON.... take a bow my son!!
Viyyash-Ramosh
Verts is having a shocker!
Fanman
That's the kind of passes we need on a regular basis. Great pass!! great finish!!
rahn DMC
Phew again with Benteke
Big Ron
play in BLUE SHORTS.... win.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Naughton with a playmakers pass.
Fanman
Let's get 7 more
Big Ron
Thank you Villa for removing your parked bus for us!!
Guyver
dontcha just hate intelligent articulate Irishmen with bald heads and backs covered in tattoos... 2-0 ..;-)
Viyyash-Ramosh
C'mon remember our goal difference or not
Big Ron
Need to keep it up
mattspurs1982
and someone here was saying he's had enough of defoe!
SilwalYid
lets keep this up! how about 9-0 ;)
rahn DMC
Looks like Dembele is injured.
Fanman
Parker on for Dembele; a bit too early to shore things up isn't it?!
MalaysiaSpur
No dembele not injured again! :(
SilwalYid
With Dembele picking up another knock it will hopefully encourage Levy to buy an attacking midfielder in EARLY January.
SpuriousLife
Bale on a Hatrickk! and 3rd cleansheet in a row please!
SilwalYid
COYS!!! keep it going lads, we need the goal difference!
MalaysiaSpur
Ade really needs a goal!
SilwalYid
they are there for the taking now, we could get 4 or 5. I would bring on Siggy for Ade, and I would give Townsend a run out for Lennon. They are soo open at the back every time we come forward now we look like scoring.
rahn DMC
Just shows what a fifference it makes when the opposition dont park the bus. We still need to work out how to break down those teams down that do as more and more will do it to us.
philbill
dont know what avb told the players at half time, but they have really turned it on
laneno14
one more goal please!
SilwalYid
not fussed about Dembele injury, he's been sloooooow as mollasses and stops our momentum instantly.... great display by Naughton, I still remember him in midfield during the Peace Cup in Korea, very creative as well as good defender, great pass for Defoe's goal
Viyyash-Ramosh
Hattriiicccckkkkk!
SilwalYid
I remember some pillock on here saying Bale could be a striker for us.... what a load of bollux that was.
Viyyash-Ramosh
We look better with Siggy on the pitch
philbill
and all that intricate pattern training stuff is starting to really show, brilliant play this half
laneno14
we must really push for more now, the team has to realise that goal difference could be crucial this season, arsenal's is better, and there will never be better chances to score goals then when you are 4 up with minutes left against a thoroughly disheartened team
Guernman
I'm begining to like glimpses from Siggi!
SilwalYid
Difficult as I have spurs to win 4-1 at 33/1, although would prefer a clean sheet. Btw - villa have kept three clean sheets in their last three league matches. Great win, good selections and resting of players. Avb blue and white army.
Windlespur
Shlok27 ???????
Windlespur
Impressive second half. Bale straight swap for Ronaldo? You must be joking! Real Madrid would have to give us Benzema too!
SpuriousLife
Spu 4 life and all the other half time critics ???????
Windlespur
after seeing Bale score a 3trick today, I'm firmly of the opinion that if Messi of Barcelona were to play centrally instead of as a left-winger, he too could develop into a goalscoring central striker.... are you listening Barca ??
Viyyash-Ramosh
No - half time critics gone off to sulk then. Coys
Windlespur
Convincing win in the end. When Parker came on he looked very good. I hope Dembele is not out for too long.
Fanman
I have just read 01Tottnham's post just prior to the game re AVB. What utter crap! Really, sack AVB because u think u know more about the players and who should play? Really? Sick to my stomach with the griping.
jvd
The scoreline makes some of the posts at half time look stupid but the fact still remains when the opposition sit in and defend we struggle to break them down only when Villa opened up a bit did we take advantage but credit to AVB for the half time talk; whatever was said did the trick.
MrSpurs
And what i said would happen, did. As soon as Villa opened up we would kill them. Villa are woeful. Excellent performance, can't understand some of you posters on here - but no suprises there. Even Gallas played well. Great to see Parker back, Dembele and Sandro dominated. Bale sensational. Walker back to his best second half. Well done AvB & Spurs.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Viyyash-Ramosh, I have to disagree with you about Dembele, he and Sandro are the heart beat of the team. I think that Parker will do well, but I just love watching Dembele on the ball.
Fanman
01tottenham is my new favourite poster on here jvd, top entertainment.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Villa did us a huge favour 2nd half by playing like a "home side" and trying to come at us. Had they kept that bus parked, could have been a different game.
Guyver
There, I knew the chaps would do it!!! :o))))
Hotspur 1882
The fourth goal made all the difference to the table. Fourth place now :o)
Hotspur 1882
Thats my point Mr spurs. This 2nd half was the first time this season we have opened up the opposition. We have the talent to do it week in and out but we struggle. There have been too many 1-0 scrapes and last gasp defending when we dominate the Stats. we need to work more on through balls and killer passes to get behind teams that park the bus. I think AVB has a philosophy of not to lose first and win later. Perhaps its the pressure he is under and after what happened at Chelsea. i would like to see this team play with more flair and belief. The next game is tougher still as sunderland will also park the bus plus they are good on the break..... COYS
philbill
Six points behind Citeh.
Hotspur 1882
Naughton was the last person I expected to make a playmakers through pass like that, great vision from the lad. The pass that lead to Siggy's assist was also great. I think that Siggy should start ahead of Ade next game. Ade looks lost out there.
Fanman
play Bale in the centre...just like walcott wants to be in the centre for Scum so Bale is better in the pocket...get a right winger who can beat defences and play Bale in the middle, he loves it in there......Bale should play in the space that Rooney uses going back to get the ball and bringing it back for the wide men coming into the channels....but oh god did we need that result....thank the Bale for that...... 0-4 .........now......Sunderland!!!! Come on You Spurs make it the real deal.......!
OyVeh Maria
It's funny reading through all the comments and the fustration of the first half, then the relief of the goals going in. We have a fickle old bunch here on vital lol
spurfect one
great result, but we never woke up til they put us under pressure.shouldn't be like that,i won't criticize too much as it was a great win that keeps us in contention for the 4th or even 3rd spot,(still not convinced chavski have the grit/elbow grease for the long haul and are a bit light-weight in mid-field).what is still blatantly obvious is the lack of creativity in mid-field.the last game against stoke and the first half of this game proved this.when a team puts 11 men behind the ball we need someone to unlock their defense with a clever flick here or slick chip over the top there,an attacking mid-fielder with a quick footballing brain.surely levy must see this?.......anyhoo,onwards and upwards.....COYS!
g. roberts testes
Guyver, spot on. When they tried to take the game to us it opened up for us.
Fanman
Must admit that i whined like a little bitch in the first half but was thoroughly impressed with the 2nd half performance. I stand corrected and have been silenced. My apologies!!!!
woodyn17
Frustration at the way we played first half is not being fickle. We have seen it a few times where we never seem to click into first gear for both halves. Our play in the first half was very casual at times. Maybe AVB did put a rocket up their ass at half time?
philbill
Spu 4 life and all the other half time critics ??????? Windlespur :- remember don't wallpaper over cracks, I asked week ago who scores the goals BALE & DEFOE are our main outlet, but you can't expect them to do it in every game, Villa are about as good as Reading, some times a post gets the right reaction and today it did WE WON, THATS ALL I CARE ABOUT, read between the lines pri(k
spu 4 life
g. roberts testes, agreed.
Fanman
Townsend and Siggy both look good from the Bench. Liverpool 1 nil up already in the first 30 seconds!
Fanman
MrSpurs, nothing new. We had the same problem last season, whenever a team came to WHL to defend we struggled even with VDV Bale Lennon Ade and Modric. We loved it when teams came attack minded like Newcastle 442 for them and 5-0 for us.
ItalianYiddo
Siggurdson made big difference...
dcruzer
3 cleansheets in a row,I'm happy!!!!!!!
SilwalYid
1-1!
Fanman
Phil - to AVB's credit whether you agree with it or not (personally I didnt) he did start with an attacking 4-4-2 but I understand what your saying we start matches slowly sometimes and let the opposition gather momentum and belief. As I said our game plan seems to depend on the oppositions tactics (i.e. Villa start to play more open football in the 2nd half then we score 4) when really we should be able to break defensive teams down quicker especially at The Lane.
MrSpurs
Think Siggy should always come in 20 mins before the final whistle to unlock those tired tricky defenses...should work against Sunderland next...
dcruzer
Verts didn't play too well today, I suppose he jinxed himself by saying that he wanted to play at centre-back.
Fanman
dcruzer, i'd rather start with Siggy. Right now I don't think that Ade deserves a starting place. He looked really lost today, he didn't do anything useful that I can remember. But Siggy has been a good impact sub.
Fanman
Fanman 2-1 to Stoke.LOL
SilwalYid
Fickle is not the word - sandro overrated, sack avb, clueless, why 442, we will lose this etc etc etc What do we expect opponents in the pl to do when at home, roll over and die. This was a villa side determined to put right a big wrong, who beat Liverpool so impressively last week, are in semi finals and had kept three clean sheets in last three games. FFs, some of you really need to be more glass half full as some of the comments are a joke ( similar to yesterday's article too) hence this forum has gone from a obsession to me, into a rarely visit or post anymore.
Windlespur
I was constantly berating at Redknapp for our poor corner conversion, I see that some things don't change......
ItalianYiddo
Good call - siggy is young, needs time to settle, but is a major, major talent and ade has not been worthy of his starting place.
Windlespur
Fanman 2-1 to Stoke.LOL
SilwalYid
We miss caulker at corners.
Windlespur
A good win, so support AVB and the players.... Anyway.... off topic.. did u all see the Turkish Airlines advert at half time.?? L Messis and a basketball player competing to give their autographs to a young boy... Stewardess beat them with a plate of ice cream and pudding... nice ad...
Block D Spurs
Windlespur - a lot of the comments your referring to were probably posted during the game when we were struggling to score, its easy to look back after the game once we've won and critise people but it was looked like it would be a frustrating game at half time.
MrSpurs
Siggy is also - clearly - a very talented footballer. Only young too, his cameo's off the bench recently have been very promising.
HuddersfieldYiddo
SilwalYid, yep Liverpool defended poorly on the corner.
Fanman
windle.. well said... not often i agree with you .. but we are all fans of spurs...
Block D Spurs
6 points behind City on boxing day, with a much weaker squad than 12 months ago and injuries galore all season. AVB Out!!!!
HuddersfieldYiddo
Ade contributed to hold-up play today and made two good headers iirc. He seemed off and lost cause Defoe, Lennon and Walker would only pass among themselves in a build-up. But that didn't stop Ade into getting in good positions. He played any other teammate that was open and kept himself open regardless, and would have been more effective if given the ball. Granted he could have been more aggressive and lively but that's just a result some other off-field factors....
dcruzer
4 strikers in the squad already.... Ade, Defoe, BALE and Dempsey.... no new signings in January !!!!!!!
Viyyash-Ramosh
Well then, that leaves us short on the wings....
dcruzer
So hope Levy can finally get Aubameyang, after he said he wouldn't want to come.
dcruzer
Merry Christmas everybody, fellow Spurs fans. Our win was OK and all 3 pts were deserved, but I still think Tottenham is becoming somehow predictable these days. Last 4 matches saw Spurs closing 1st half without scoring and coping with "re-energized" opposition in the beginning of 2nd half. In my humble opinion, we are still clueless of how to turn one or two out of several goal attempts into goals. Dembele is great when he has the ball, but it seems he lacks that creative spark VdV or Modric had. Maybe with Parker´s return, AVB can play him alongside with Sandro and place Moussa near Defoe...that or sign Snejder in next january. Plus, also liked to see Sigurdsson playing again... he reallys bring some different life to midfield. Great Win, no doubt, but we need to bring more to the table if we want to grab a 3rd or 4th place.
AlexSpur
V-R, re. 4 strikers.... More like bet Levy's thinking that's another £2 mill on Bale's head!
Critical_Spur
Great Bale performance but with strong No9 we would have had ten. Why doean't Lennon ever score instead f fannying around tapping the ball sideways!
wentworth
For all those who thought we were poor against Stoke, I trust you are watching the game against Liverpool. stoke are dominating the game and the scoreboard.
jvd
totally off topic......i see 'Arry banging on about bosingwa again.....does this man not know the meaning of 'no comment'? just be discreet sometimes.
g. roberts testes
This site winds me up!! All most of u do us slate the boys, support our team and it's players!!! Good win starting to come together nicely!! Would love to see Parker and sandro in cm and push dembele forward.
Ibiza yiddo
We were very lucky villa decided to have a go second half and opened up. Cos we looked absolutely clueless (as was AVB). We should be thanking Lambert
mattspurs1982
Yes jvd they are, its like playing the fecking Harlem Globetrotters, all bar Etherington are bloody giants, and they kick anything that moves, I feel sorry for anybody trying to play football against them. The difference between today and our game, was that we were AT HOME not playing in that bear pit that is their ground. At home with attacking players we have we should be beating the likes of them, Liverpool on the other hand only have Suarez.
Frank
Good win today in the end, but the final score should have been the score at HT, and we could have rivaled Chelsea's 8 with better finishing. Bale gets abused on here, but where the bloody hell we would be without his running, energy, assists, and finishing, Christ only knows. Unfortunately we might soon find out as I can't see Levy resisting a big offer if it comes in.
Frank
Way too much negativity on this site. Some of you need to put your Xmas fifa 13 games down and pay attention to whats actually happening in REAL games . We totally dominated Villa (as we should), it was just a matter of time before the floodgates were going to open. SUPPORT YOUR EFFING TEAM FFS!
LongTimeSpursFan64
I would agree with Mattspurs1982, whilst Villa were content to sit an ddefend and spoil and let us play in front of them in the 1st half, we were simply unable to unlock them, penetrate and score, and when we did get chances in that half our finishing was woeful. We are desperate for a "locksmith" Mfer to play us in with a killer pass, and we need a striker who can at least "hit a cow's arse with a banjo" which Adebayor, and to a lesser extent Defoe simply can't do often enough. How many would a Dember Ba score with the chances we make, never mind a multi-million pound super star.
Frank
ITK coming in now from one of the Spurs fan (who got the Freund appointment right in summer)

Porto have contacted Tottenham regarding Jan deal for Moutinho.
sydqcb5
someone said Gallas played well today...I must have been watching a different game, he ain't a PL RCB...Naughton however should have some of his critics eating a slice of humble pie...the kid is good enough to cover both wings and with age and games we'll get more consistency from him...Bale was class but he's able to finish by drfiting into the centre to play him as an out and out striker would be a waste...and if they defended deep against him would take him out of the game...
shedboy2
That's my point Frank. You and others are cubby holing Stoke as a team who can only hold and grab and shirt pull. Well yes you are right but they've added another dimension to their game, they can bloody well pass and run and shoot also. They're not just mauling teams in the 4th to 10th slots they're actually playing good football against them. And as you point out, especially at home!

therefor putting our performance against them into perspective, I am saying we played a pretty good game. Yes we should beat them, we had our chances but we didn't put the ball into the net. That's so strange as we're tied for the third most goals scored in the league.
jvd
Welcome back Mr Scott Parker top man. I thought we would go and shut up shop when he come on but he kept pushing us forward. COYS
Yido T
Just would like to point this out. We are better off points wide this season when you compare our corresponding fixtures from last season. Not bad if I do say so myself when we have lost RdV, Modric and mainly key players injured this season. COYS.
taniban
I really really want to see Gyfli starting for us and playing in left and Bale to play behind Defoe. Bale has the potential to make more damage at centre than left, simply because he is better finisher than any in team (except for Defoe may be). His left foot shoots are always on target, hardly misses.

Also if he can play between the lines, he will be one of the tough players to mark. On other hand, Gylfi seems to have the brain & work ethic to make us tick as a team. He was unselfish today -anyother player who hasnt scred in PL, would have taken the shot and probably missed it, but he cooly slooted it to Bale for the goal. Total team player.
sydqcb5
Never in doubt. Despite the goal less first half, we dominated this game and the paranoid few above should be ashamed of themselves. Who are the clowns saying Sandro is overrated and Dembele is slow.......fools, behave yourself. Happy to see Parker back in action and expect some more rotation slowly to be incorporated. Although a little static at times in our general play, we are building a solid foundation at the back and 3 clean sheets is a very good sign.
thenuge
Bale has already equalled his last season goal tally. 2011-12 9 PL goals in 36 games. This season, 9 goals in 16 gaes. If he can play another 15 games at this level, I see him scoring around 18 to 20 goals this season.
sydqcb5
The way we are playing at the mment comparing to City, I honestly got to say we can catch them. There is a possibility here that City could implode here. No CL , No EL, United running away with title, City struggling game after gae only rescued by late winners. Pressure is on Mancini , no question about it. If we can stay under the radar and add a couple of layers we can catch them napping.
sydqcb5
I have a lot of time for Gylfi and would like to see him getting more time on the pitch.Does he have a song yet at the Lane? If not one would be good and get behind him as well
Big Ron
Well done spurs......thanks for making the next few days all the more sweeter. This result will look great if followed up by a great result at sunderland. "come on you spurs"
82spursdebut
sydqcb5 - don't you remember the Bale debacle last season after his Norwoch away performance and then proceeded to wander all over pitch to no affect, makin out play too narrow, which formed part of our capitulation last year, prompting the WHL fans to cheers "he plays on the left!". Lets leave Bale where he plays best eh...
mattspurs1982
It was a good result in the end but achieved only after Villa, missing a couple of key players, decided to be more aggressive and the game opened up. 1st half DeFoe showed that he doesn't have the guile to beat packed defences but came into the game when Villa stretched the game which is why I think he is a better impact sub than starter because against most teams now he will not be effective for at least the first 45 minutes. Ade must wonder why he bothers as he takes up great positions only to see Lennon or Walker pass to DeFoe who either loses it or hits and hopes. I think Ade has a football brain that some of the others do not. Sigurdsson has been impressive in his last 2 sub appearances after a woeful start so maybe there is more to come from the lad. The other thing that was evident yesterday, and has been most of the season, is the tempo of our game which is so slow as to be soporific. As soon as some pace is injected into our game we look so much better. AVB has done well to keep us in the hunt but it is clear we need to improve our tactics (or implement whatever they are better) and we need reinforcements. The problem with the January window is that good players are either expensive or not available, and even if we do sign someone (unlikely in my view) it will take time for them to adjust and in some cases this can be counter-productive. I'm old enough to remember City signing Rod Marsh (a very good player at the time) when they were in pole position to win the League and suffering a drop in form because the structure and tactics of the team was blown apart.
Harry-Kari
Yes, was hoping addy would get on the scoresheet, for his own well being. That may have happenend, had he stayed on for 90 mins'....but that's being too critical of avb, at this moment.
82spursdebut
mattspurs1982, yes I do remember. But the fact remains he has scored more goals than last season all competitions combined.

There was no problem with Bale roaming. The point I nderstand now is, the entire team has to have a good off the ball movment. This season that is the difference I see. Last season with Harry, Sandro & Parker was prohibited to make forward runs, Walker has to play the entire right wing, while VDV can graze the pitch else where. Centre backs should hoof the ball when having chance Full backs dont overlap wingers etc etc...

This season I have been pleasantly surprised with improvement in Sandro. His lung bursting forward runs and off the ball movement are trmendous. That is why I see more success for Bale in centre of the pitch, where he can always find space and take a shot on
sydqcb5
On villa, I feel a bit for them. If they get caught up in a relegation battle they will loose it. Almost 7 players who were in their match day squad played for Villa in Nextgen series last season. But Lambert is getting what he deserves. He should ve never left Norwich. It was a backward career move given Villa's stance of no investment.
sydqcb5
Great to see "Scott Parker" back........he looks 10 years younger............forget moutinho !!...lol
82spursdebut
Ade could've scored y'day but for Bale to take on the keeper to score instead. Ade was to the left, totally unmarked and ready for the easiest of tap ins. Just as well Bale scored!

The only other obsevation I would make is that our attacks are still not fluid. Too many pauses and allowing the opposition to regroup. Not a moan as I am a happy bunny with the season so far! COYS!
Critical_Spur
Knowing Addy's luck...he'd have been given offside. Corners still not right. Still require another young hungry striker.......squad, subs bench not balanced right.
82spursdebut
sydqcb5- mattspur is spot on...Bale just scored a hat-trick playing on the left and now you want to change his position....if a defender made 3 goaline clearances during a match would you start him in goal next time?...I don't want to see the experiment of last season repeated...
shedboy2
Agree shedboy and mattspurs, I was at the Norwich game and Bale was electric after which Harry gave him a free role which never worked again leading to the crowd reminding Harry that "Bale plays on the left". COYS
ItalianYiddo
Manu apparently signed Lewandowski for 18 mil and 80K a week so there are affordable deals out there!
TQ2Spurs
I used to love this site but people like Frank leave me feeling depressed every time I use it. Look at how chelsea, arsenal and liverpool coped/coping with their transitional phases. Chelsea have had to spend 100s of millions to be 3rd. Arsenal have no money but one of the most experienced managers at coping at the top and liverpool just can't handle it. We have no money (or none given to spend), no experienced manager, lost the spine of our only squad to acheive CL football and at the half way point we are only 6 points from second. Now lighten the fu(k up all you doomsayers.
Tottenham Hotcore
Sorry Tottenham Hotcore, but I think you need to take a chill pill!

Firstly, there is not that much of doomsayers as you put it. Certain of late I have found a good mixture of VIEWS and EXPECTATIONS. Some folks call them fickle. Seriously though it would be sooooo boring if we ALL had the same views. Peeps sare entitled to their views as long as they can back it up with examples.

Secondly, Wanting/demanding more from your teams is only natural, regardless of the circumstances. You ALWAYS want to see improvements and evidence of evolvement. I bet you any money that ManU supporters still sound like 'doomsayers' despite sitting atop with 7 points margin. It's natural mate. So take a step back and let peeps have their views without resorting to abuse! :0)
Critical_Spur
Bale AND Lennon on the wings leave the game to stretched laterally and with the 2 forwards isolated when they don't drop off... they drop off less now cos they both wanna outscore the other.. Bale is our most gifted forward: height, power, pace, shooting, even heading and we should introduce him into the striker mix increasingly... to those who say that would leave LM short, we would actually be better off by using any of Siggy, Demps to drift inside from LM and leaving the left flank open for an attacking KB like BAE to raid down it and cross.... we stumbled across a winning tactic yesterday when Bale was drifting in far more in 2nd half leaving the space leftside for Naughton to come forward into.... if/when we go back to the predictable 2 wingers + 2 strikers (not dropping off) we will again look as dull and ineffective as the 1st half and just like against Stoke.... hope AVB has seen this.
Viyyash-Ramosh
shedboy2, what was Bale doing in the centre for the goals he scored. Yes he was in the wings but he drifted in for first goal. Second& third he was dead centre. Look back at goals Bale scored this & end of last season, the finishing position is centre of the box. While the move could have started at left/right wing, he sees a pass or makes a run like a forward. I am just saying he has huge potential to do that game after game and be successful because of his efficiency in front of net. If Ronaldo was just playing in wing,he would have never scored 50 goals a season. Not comparing with Ronado, but the talent is there for everyone to see
sydqcb5
VR - In my eyes, Bale is playing as a forward already... He has been given license to roam (but not asked to just run about) and he rarely tracks back nowadays. He is no different from playing like Hulk, Cavani, Eto (when he was playing for Inter)
taniban
sydqcb5, didn't Ronaldo played on the wings drifting in like a forward when he was playing for ManU?
taniban
shedboy2, problem I see with your opinion there is a apparent rigidity there. As I have said, for Harry a DMF has to stay in position. Sandro cannot come out of own half. Honestly, would you want him in that role or give him the freedom to make forward runs and end up in the box ? If your answer is later then you might have to agree with Bale's case as well.

Difference between AVB & Harry using Bale in a roaming role is - Harry used Bale in central role where every thing else stayed static. It was more of trying something new because player is capable of it but not because of the team dynamics. I fully understand fan frustration last season - point is when Bale was roaming around, we did not have Lennon so ended up having no width at all. AVB is playing a definite system where he allows free flowing football. Likes of Sandro & Vertongehn are given the freedom to bomb forard and make runs. Bale is given far more space to exploit the middle when he drifts from left.
sydqcb5
taniban,agreed. But was he scoring anywhere near 50 a season ?
sydqcb5
sydqcb5, Ronaldo's last season at ManU - 46 goals for ManU. 31 goals in the prem.

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/22774/cristiano-dos-santos-aveiro-ronaldo?cc=5739#
taniban
I was impressed with Naughton yesterday. At imes he got into some fantastic attacking position onleft wing, quite forward. His runs were complimenting Bale. One criticism I have for Naughton (& Walker) is he takes atleast 2 to 3 touches before a forward pass. But atleast he doesnt give the ball away. While BAE is good, it will be interesting to see who AVB prefers in LB.
sydqcb5
I like the idea of the LM (Bale or other) drifting inside which then leaves the left-flank open for an attacking LB to roam down and be the crossing-agent... this gives us an 'extra player' in the attack as Bale (or other) can drift into a forward slot giving us more bodies in the box, where goals are scored.... BAE and Naughton could make the LB slot secure and also give us this option of Bale more central (when in possession)
Viyyash-Ramosh
taniban, yes agreed (that was penultimate United season). Anyway, to me bottom line is

If we want Bale to stick to left wing and now drift in, then get a bloody good striker and ensure the work Bale does has some results. Dont want a repeat of that 2010 season where Crouch, Pav,Defoe scored 10 goals altogether

If we want Bale to just score 10 goals a season by all means play him & stick him in left wing. In that case we should be satisfied and not long for more.

If we want him to score more than 10 a season, there is no way he is going to score just from wings. That is to me a wasting his talents.
AVB is going on the right track with Bale. We just need to use him more centrally to tap into his potential of finding the back of the net. To me 10 goals for Bale's talent is not good enough
sydqcb5
also... with Bale drifting in, it leaves the players less stretched out too thinly for good short-passing, combination play.... our players need to be in closer proximity when in possession.... made up 3pts on Citeh yesterday, food for thought..
Viyyash-Ramosh
sydqcb5 - I messed up on the stats... Ronaldo scored a lot less than 46 goals. :(

You are definitely right though, AVB is going on the right track with Bale. When you consider he has scored 9 prem goals so far, 6th top scorer, ahead of the likes of Rooney, Torres, Aguero; he isn't doing too badly at all.
taniban
I think, as someone said earlier, Naughton got into some great attacking positions BECAUSE of the space vacated by Bale drifting centrally.... I think we'll start to see this tactic an awful lot more from herein
Viyyash-Ramosh
I don't recall abusing anyone. We all want the best but to bring negativity about the team and avb after a 70+% possession first half winds me up. Read the posts during the game till we scored. Must admit I was also reading the Spurs facebook page and seeing even more silly statements there. Yes we want the best but let's enjoy how well we are doing at the moment, all things considered.
Tottenham Hotcore
sydqcb5- fluidity is essential, no one would want Bale to stay static on the wing but to leave bale up top as a striker would make it easy to deny him space and pick him up...in short we'd swap a world class left forward for a good (but not great) striker...
shedboy2
Hear,hear T-H. I think we were all getting a little impatient in the first half and the frustrations were also showing on AVB's face. It was looking more like deja vu akin to our recent performances and the lack of finishing was bringing those thoughts to the fore where we could've got hit by a sucker punch. Fortunately Villa chose to open up and the rest is history!. I really wouldn't want to see any more of those games like the Norwich, Wigan, Stoke etc.. Hope we can move forward with confidence from here. Sunderland next...GULP! :0)
Critical_Spur
Tottenham Hotcore - Well said, some people on here last night were completely over reacting. We are in a good position atm and the signs of the team becoming more cohesive are definitely there. What we did yesterday better and what we need to do more of, is look for the forward ball, instead of going sideways and backwards when we come up against a team who parks the bus. This is why I would love to see a quality playmaker and a quality No:9 come in because it would definitely help in creating more chances with the ball whilst retaining it, instead of retaining it for the sake of it. Glad to see Siggy play a good part when he came on, he's made a couple of decent appearances lately and I would like to see him get more of a run out. I was also really pleased with Naughton, I thought he had a good game and his through ball was sublime, all in all a really good performance... Oh and one last thing to note. Just because Bale scored a hat-rick last night does not make him a striker. It means he can cut inside (at the right opportunity) or go outside whilst still playing at LW, because that's where he is effective most. He became ineffective last season when he went wondering from his position.
rahn DMC
Did anyone notice that Ade didn't celebrate Bale's first goal? The camera showed him following the ball into the net - no smile, hands at his side and no apparent attempt to follow his teammates to congratulate Bale. He was no doubt miffed that Bale didn’t pass to him but that was very poor.
GARYKIR
Big C......Are you for real?? Ade is nowhere near as bad as that!
LongTimeSpursFan64
I'm afraid he is for real LongTimeSpursFan64. Some people on here it seems just need a fall guy. 2 months ago the same poster who was slating VDV a while back was caling for the average Defoe to be dropped for Adebayor. Now its Adebayor who is a disgrace. At least he's chilled out on Aaron Lennon for once (Who was excellent yesterday)
HuddersfieldYiddo
Berbatov, arguably the laziest player ive ever seen in a Spurs shirt quote "gave it everything" HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HuddersfieldYiddo
I can't see why there is such negativity towards Ade to be honest. He is playing a different role from last season. This season is more of a provider than a scorer per se. Yes his first touches can be **** at times it normally gets better as the game go on. It's not like Ade is lazing around and not trying.

Garykir, I would be annoyed as well if I was Ade as well when Bale decided to round the keeper, taking the more difficult option instead of providing a simple tap in. Ade clearly knows he is under pressure and that chance would have eased the pressure on him to perform.
taniban
*but it normally gets better as the game go on.
taniban
if we could get a good LW id have bale as our AM also mathew etheringthon would be a good shout
123spurs
ade was great when he was on loan scoring an getting assists, now this season he is poor to be honest i dont even think he had aan attempt on goal.
123spurs
Sydqcb5... I said before xmas.. my ITK told me we will sign a Portuguese player in Jan. window... watch this space... lol
Block D Spurs
er Mathew etherington...you mean the same Ethrington that is 31 years old, the same Ethrington we sold 10 years ago!!??...can't agree with you on that one...if we just bought a llorente type player then Bale could stay exactly where he is, the position that has catipulted him from bad luck charm to superstar...and we'd have a player who can score and bring others into play....and can head a ball!
shedboy2
TQ2Spurs- If the lewandowski deal is true we could have afforded that...just need to stop stockpilling old goalkeepers..;)
shedboy2
At the moment, Ade is a striker playing as an attacking midfielder role. Bit like Rooney at Man U and he isn't exactly playing well either.

Matthew Etherington? Hell no. Almost as bad as someone suggesting Cameron Jerome a few weeks ago. ;)
taniban
In defence of Ade, I have noted he is one of the few who plays for the team, unlike some selfish individuals. He does a lot of hard work ALL over the pitch, still brings players in to play and still holds up well. Admittedly doesn't score as much as he should but he is forever feeding the ball to someone else. Perhaps that's under AVB's instructions. I am sure as soon as he bangs in a brace he will be the loved one again. I personally don't think it is an attitude issue, more a role he is being asked to play. He'll be there when we need him most.

PS, I think that was the reason he seemed a bit miffed at Bale not passing to him. A simple tap in for him could've potentially saved some blushes. Bale scored however and Ade become the fall guy! Life's a bitch!
Critical_Spur
if we want to accommodate defoe and play ade behind him, thats all well and good but you won't see the best of adebayor. play him as a lone striker with dempsey or siggy or even dembele in the no.10 role and then you can judge ade fairly. I imagine he would be a completely different proposition for defenders
Guernman
bigcock... how exactly has Ade showed his 'disgraceful' attitude to club and fans ??.... the guy scored 12 and had 17 assists last season, this season he was not a Spurs player until he recieved from Citeh exactly what he was contractually entitled to, not a penny more or less. Citeh tried to weedle out of his entitled bonus payments and he rightly held them to the contract.... Ade is perhaps too selfless which leads him to score less goals thru' passing to colleagues (unlike Defoe) and that is 1 of the only faults I see in him
Viyyash-Ramosh
Ade playing behind Defoe will never be as good as Ade playing in front of VDV.
Guyver
trouble is, half the team played in front of vdV... the guy dropped off so much in order to find space, sometimes taking the ball off the centre-backs toes.... it usually left the striker too isolated.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Viyyash-Ramosh, didnt seem to have a negative effect on Ade though did it? He had his 2nd most successful season of his career and if harry didnt burn the team out and start playing players out of position, who knows what could have been achieved.
Guyver
BC-Ade gets closer to 400k per month...still an awful lot of money but we're all responsible for players earning more than brain surgeons...it was commented to me during the game yesterday that Bale, Defoe and Ade all play for themselves rather than the team and that seems true... but although Bale had the worst goal to shot ratio in the prem, yesterday it worked.
shedboy2
"4-4-2 doesn't mean Adebayor playing behind Defoe" No it doesnt Bigot C, but a striker playing with Defoe, is automatically put into more of a supplier role more than a standard striker role.
Guyver
There really is no point in the hyperbolae and vitriol that characterises this site after every game. You have to take the long view and by that I don't mean the future. We have reached the half-way stage, having played every team, and we have 33 points. It means we have no chance of challenging for the title no matter if or who we buy in January but only 2 points off the rate needed for a 70 point finish and possible 4th place. Being in the race for the title was a hope not an expectation of mine but getting at least 4th was very definitely the target. The truth is we are slightly behind where we should be both in style and effectiveness as results have shown. The defense is OK with options to come, Sandro and Dembele are great at dominating the midfield, Bale especially and Lennon are top class wide men, JD can shoot but that's all, and Adebayor can be brilliant but is not a No 10 which is what we need to convert the possession into openings. Dempsey and Siggy are starting to look good but JD is not the best foil for them. I'm so glad Scotty is fit again to help keep that midfield dominance in rotation with S&D. Maybe Dembele will mature into a No 10 but I have my doubts. C'mon AVB we need a bit more in the 2nd half of the season.
Love totty
I don't know why we're trying to put round pegs in square holes...we should buy a striker!!!
shedboy2
Adebayor and Defoe cant work together..

Walker has started to sort himself out both in defence and attack..

i think there is a few surprises in the bag come January..

id go alll out for ISCO/SNEIJDER and ALEXIS SANCHEZ...


...........................ALEXIS SANCHEZ...........................
...............................................................................
....BALE.................ISCO/SNEIJDER.............LENNON...
...............................................................................
...........DEMBELE............................SANDRO..............
...............................................................................
....BAE..........VERTS.........CAULKS/KABS......WALKER..
...............................................................................
................................LLORIS.....................................


BACK-UPS.... PARKER, ADE, DEFOE, SIGGY, DEMPSEY, CARROLL, DAWSON, NAUGHTON, FALQUE, TOWNSEND..

LOAN OR SELL... LIVERMORE.. JENAS.. GALLAS.. GOMEZ/CARLO..
Yidmarks
and of course BENTLEY.. adding 2 quality players to the squad gives us the full strength sqaud of players we need to compete with the best, rotate and challenge for honours..
Yidmarks
Love totty, if you look at our corresponding fixtures from last season you will find we are doing better this season. We are well on target for 4th if you ask me.
taniban
BC- I see what you did there, and of course you're right! but imo the amount of money they all earn is repugnant Ade has shown beofre that he can be unplayable or a liability...but it's the managers job to get a tune out of the multi-millionaires that now play the game (I love the way they all call it work now, lol)
shedboy2
yidmarks- I'd like sanchez but wouldn't play him up top on his own...(did you mess up the site???..)
shedboy2
Theres no evidence that Man City are currently subsidising Ade's wage's. He was stalling for his loyalty bonus (similar to Vert) and was probably given a golden handshake. That's what most reputable sources suggest. But if cherry picking snippets of media rumours from the Sun to suit your agenda is your thing, carry on.
Guyver
yes, guyver I believe they settled a way to make up the shortfall in wages...either way it means that he is now affordable and saleable so wages not so much of an issue....perhaps we can part ex him?...;)
shedboy2
I think a closed div tag would fix this site issue, but I wouldnt want to make things worse!
Guyver
Why speculate? Bring the evidence.
Guyver
Guyver- a closed 'div' tag....we'd lose half the posters!!!....;)
shedboy2
Im standing up for fact's not Adebayor. Making stuff up to attack a Spurs player is "embarrassing".
Guyver
lol shedboy, I did it before when Bigot C causing a similar problem in a previous thread and it worked, but can't remember what the exact problem was that time.
Guyver
Just nobody use a "tr" tag!! Seen that cause some major damage..
Guyver
Back to Aston villa...can't really see what all the fuss is re: Benteke...??
shedboy2
Wouldnt be fair to judge Benteke on Villa's last 2 thrashings. I don't think Falcao would look good playing for Villa at the moment.
Guyver
Adebayor has had a slow start to the season, no off season practice equates to a lack of fitness and match sharpness. Then when he got on the field he had an unfortunte minor injury and the red card soon thereafter. He needs matches to regain sharpness. Don't see anything wrong with his attitude. Don't see the constant need to slag our players. If you don't like them should be enough to just say to just say that without all the enmity and venom.
jvd
bigcock, you are embarrassing yourself with this witless diatribe against Ade...Ade doesnt have to play a single game to pick up his salary, same as any other player who plays pro-football in the country,Europe, the World... the club agreed to the transfer-fee, the club agreed to his wages, and as long as he does what he's contractually obliged to do by way of apllication and discipline etc he is entitled to his wage,,,,
Viyyash-Ramosh
Rather than slag off players I'm more concerned with our inability to convert on set plays. At one point we had 15 corners and had 2 headed chances out of them. Absolutely no attempt was made to do anything different on any corner, just bang it into the box. Surely someone could say lets hit it low and fast to the top of the 18 yard bos and allow a Walker or Sandro to take a running shot, just to change it up!!
jvd
I think we had 14 of our total 16 corners in the 1st half. Ade and Gallas had a couple of headers, but overal the set pieces were poor. In games where teams park the bus and we are getting several corners, i'd always play Caulker. He always seems to make things happen in the box.
Guyver
An analysis of comparable games last year shows us 1 point ahead at 33 points versus 32. We had scored 36 goals in the same games versus 34 this season. In analysing the games to play I feel we can achieve 40 points which will allow us to end on 73 points. That should be good enough to ensure a 3rd or 4th place finish. Now let's go play the games!!
jvd
I don't want to slag gallas off, I just think his time is over....Caulker's a better option and does offer the threat going forward...I used to like the Luka/lennon short corner but I'm more in favour of having Verts/Kaboul/Bale/Ade/Sandro and Dembele attacking the ball in the box...if walker can deliver like he did a couple of weeks ago we'll be scoring for fun...;)
shedboy2
not been on for a while...when was the site changed
rovinella62spurs
Big-C, Sorry but imo you are way off the mark in your selective trashing of our players. A lot of presumptions re their attitude, their earnings, their mere existance at Spurs. If it is not Lennon, then it’s Ade. Wonder who the flavour of the week will be next.

No one knows as a fact what Ade earns at Spurs, nor do we know the full behind-the-scenes shenanigans of Mancity and Togo. In any case what a player earns should have no DIRECT significance to you or I. At the end of the day Levy and AVB are responsible for employing and remunerating these guys. If you really want to pick holes with the financial rewards, then pick on Bentley, Jenas, Gomes et al. These guys, especially the latter two have picked up fat pay packets for not even being in the squad for how many seasons?....again a Leyy problem. Our direct interest should be on their performance on the pitch. In that context, we do NOT know what role and instructions AVB has given to Ade. AVB still praises Ade and has said in the past that he will be staying.

Give the guy some slack. I would say revisit your posts in about a month time. I am expecting our 2nd half of the season to be a major improvement over last few seasons. I also believe Ade will come good and make all this negativity towards him look like humble pie.

On a final note, just read the forum only about 5 weeks back and see how both Dempsey and Siggy were being slagged off for being the worst signings. Suddenly we can’t wait to see them in the starting eleven!! COYS!
Critical_Spur
SSN: "Wesley Sneijder's agent has dismissed speculation linking the Inter Milan playmaker with a move to Tottenham in January."
Critical_Spur
§§§§§Haven't been able to log in for a while for some reason but I think the reason AVB is saying we don't need any one is maybe because when he took the job he was told by levy that there would be no cash for the January window, so AVB says that to be loyal to the CLUB not to Levy or enic. Just a thought there.
chrishove123
the way most people who were slagging siggy off are singing his praises when a few months ago they were slagging him off as well as people like me for supporting him and AVB's choice in playing him. HA HA HA AVB and the very few of us are now being proven right. TOLD YOU SO. SIGGY SIGGY STARDUST WE ALL LOVE YOU.
chrishove123
Love missed off the front of previous posting.
chrishove123
JVD/Taniban - at the half-way stage last year we had 42 points, 9 better than this. I think you must be being rather selective in your analysis. 40 points now in the 2nd half is certainly possible if AVB gets the team selections/substitutions right. Time will tell.
Love totty
chrishove123, AVB saying we don't need anyone is exactly what he should be saying. Say he says we are desperate for a striker (or, as it's AVB "For the team to make profit from the forward positions obtained, another player with knowledges of increasing our goals for column is highly desired"), anyone with a striker to sell well immediately add a few million to their asking price. Better to say, here's £5m, it's our final offer and if you don't want to sell at that price then no problem
In-spurs-ational
Love totty, I think what jvd is doing is comparing our points tally on a similar game by game basis, meaning the the points we got yesterday will be compared to whatever we got at villa away last season and so on for all the games played so far
In-spurs-ational
That is exactly right In-spurs-ational. It is a fairer representation than just comparing to 'at the half-way stage last year'.

I guess Love Totty indirectly highlighted just how poor our second half of the season was.
taniban
taniban, just to put our second half in figures. For last season, first 19 games got us 42 points whilst the next 19 games got us 27 points. However, comparing seasons doesn't make a huge difference in the sense that you just need to aim to get the right number of points for the season you are in. Last season 69 points got us fourth, maybe we will need more or less this season to get fourth.
In-spurs-ational
Or to put it another way, we are little better this year so far to the back half of last year? Not very encouraging.
Love totty
I was wrong to have said that we have played all teams as of course we played Villa twice and have Sunderland to play still. Too many Xmas lemonades.
Love totty
Love totty, on the bright side, we are better now then we were at the end of last season. So there is improvement. A guess it's one of those glass half full or half empty kind of situations. Remember, we have lost two of our better players over the summer, I know we've bought in replacements, but they are not of the same quality. Oh, we've also got a new manager with a new way of doing things. All these things take time to implement. Unfortunately, managers don't get any time these days and even if they win they are getting sacked!
In-spurs-ational
Great win at Villa, but let's be honest, Villa were the worst team we have played all season! I enjoyed the possession and the great goals, but we must not let it disguise the fact that the board seriously need to back AVB in the window! The danger with this big 4-0 away win, is that Levy will believe his squad is good enough, which of course it is not! Tottenham are 13 points behind the leaders! A striker, an in the hole player to finally replace VDV and a little, mobile, all action, skill boy, creative CM to complement the the big guys Sandro and Dembele urgently required! I will be delighted to get 1 of the 3 knowing ENIC...
pelebro
We should be good enough for 4th even without buying others so may not turn out to be better than we already have. Getting Scotty back is huge, as Thud and Livermore are poor subs for either Sandro or Dembele. Providing he doesn't go to the ACN, playing Ade up in front of either Dempsey or Siggy with JD as backup, is my preferred set-up. He doesn't deserve the stick BC gives him.
Love totty
If it is true Barca want £16 mill for David Villa then we should be in for him quickly! For a striker £16m is peanuts and we badly need someone as Ade is showing once again his historic loss of form after one season at any club
Forever Spurs
Really fed up with this site it messes up so much and now adds junk to my browser every time I use it. I come on seldom now because the site annoys me...now I think I will just have to go to other sites that I can trust
Forever Spurs
Unfortunately Ade is going through a bad spell but I don't think it's a lack of effort it's just poor form. He is still tracking back and playing for his shirt, he's just not scoring which is want we all want from a striker.

With Villa and Llorente both going so cheap we have got to snap one of them up. We are going to need a third striker and those two are excellent. Also if it works out we can always sell Ade on for £8m and we make a profit.
T.H.F.Chris
lol oh yeah, just sell Ade on, like he's got absolutely no say in the matter.... Villa is a spent force and about 75yrs old now with no resell-value, Llorente is virtually a free-transfer so will command huge wages that only regular and established CL clubs can pay, also he'd be a fool to come here when he can go to Juventus (who seem to be resurgent and will be a major force in Europe for years)
Viyyash-Ramosh
I don't think anyone over 28 is going to fit Levy/AVB's 'new direction' plans. Whilst the likes of Leandro Damiao are not affordable, I feels for once we may be looking to find an up coming youngster. Of course, knowing Levy, he may just opt for Kane's return!. Let's see who hits the exit door to free up funds.
Critical_Spur
pelebro Tẖat is exactly what people were s0ayinf about Stoke when w2e drew, then they went on to hammer liverpool. Why can't people like you just accept the fact that we won and won in style. I wouldn't be surprised to see Villa go on to win their next three games now, and if they do then what would you say? OH the teams Villa just played are the worst in the whole league, not just the Prem. The negativity on here is unbelievable.
chrishove123
Love totty We ARE better than we were at the end of last season and with a far weaker squad and first team. This proves to me that AVB is doing a bang up job and we will be there at the end of the season regardless of the negativity from the people who won't be happy unless they are proven right and AVB gets the push. BUT that won't happen because he is a brilliant manager in the making.
chrishove123
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dcruzer
dcruzer
Bit of an oxymoron that, Ch123. A better team with a weaker team. The results are the results, and however you cut it, we are behind where we should be and need to make up ground if we are to reach the 70 point mark. I'm not negative, just pragmatic and AVB is doing OK but not setting the world on fire. He's made mistakes but seems to be learning from them so I'm optimistic but not yet convinced.
Love totty
chrishove123, you write "The negativity on here is unbelievable." What you on about mate? I said "I enjoyed the possession and the great goals", but we must not let it disguise the fact that the board seriously need to back AVB in the window!" I was being complementary about the performance but realistic about the level of the opposition who just shipped in 12 goals in 2 games. and are only 3 points above the bottom 3. Stoke who you compare Villa to, are 11 points above Villa and only 5 points below us! Stoke are a hard working tight team defensively and Villa, well the table don't at the mid way point of the season! And there is certainly nothing negative in my encouraging the board to back AVB in the Jan window! I want AVB to be have the funding and the backing of the THFC board to take us from top hopefuls to real title challengers. Totally positive!!! COYS
pelebro
Sorry, should have written, 'I want AVB to be have the funding and the backing of the THFC board to take us from top 4 hopefuls to real title challengers. Totally positive!!! COYS'
pelebro
Btw - villa won their last three home matches and conceded zero goals. Also won at a field the previous week.
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