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Rose staying: Equals?

Yesterday Andre Villas-Boas was quite definite on the future of Danny Rose and that was that his future lies with Tottenham Hotspur.

When asked of the players future, AVB said: 'Permanent is completely impossible because we have big expectations for the player for the future.

'There is a high possibility that his loan spell will continue, but we appreciate what he has been doing over here.

'It's been a massive experience. He has been extremely well managed. He's been man of the match a couple of times, and we can't give away a player of his qualities.'

Having Danny remain at Sunderland seems to be a sensible decision in the short term, if as we assume that BAE is fully recovered and will either play some part against Reading or Cheltenham, as has been hinted, and giving Danny another half a season to gain experience seems a good move, especially as we will have both Naughton and Vertonghen as cover at left back for the rest of the season, should anything happen to BAE.

This will work for all parties, in allowing BAE games to regain his match fitness, allow Rose to play and develop and also allow sensible rotation for Kyle Naughton in either full back position, therefore keeping him motivated and also allowing for his development. In the longer term however, you feel that Rose won't be happy to return to WHL merely as cover for the left back role and will demand that he will get regular football and perhaps even start the season with an equal chance of securing the left back role as first choice should his form be superior to BAE's.

There is of course the possibility that Spurs could allow Assou-Ekotto to leave, therefore retaining a younger player (Rose is 22) for the managers long term plans, but also freeing up funds, much in the way he was happy to sell Michael Dawson in the summer. Could a decent offer from someone like Chelsea or PSG, either in January or more likely the summer be a temptation for both Tottenham and the player, who might well see a final pay day as being too good an opportunity to turn down as he will turn 29 in March? With money probably being spent with Levy's usual caution, could generating around £15m for Dawson and BAE be considered goos and sensible business, if it allowed the club to bring in players that they considered better and longer term investments?

Rose has received outstanding reports in his time at Sunderland and may well want to consider his options in the summer, should there not be the guarantee's he wants to become a regular starter at WHL, but should Spurs get a Champions league or at least a Europa place next season, you feel there is enough games in a season to allow regular rotation and therefore retaining both Naughton and Rose along with Walker and BAE is sensible for squad development and keeping them and four quality central defenders, cover most options and also offers outstanding cover and competition, should the players be happy to share the seasons burden…

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Writer: OxfordSpur

Date:Sunday December 30 2012

Time: 7:51PM

Your Comments

ive never rated rose, and was pleased when he went on load. If he is doing as well as people say, then it has been successful, and beneficial to both teams, maybe he can comeback next year and challenge for the LB spot.

The Hudd

I'd keep all four of them: Benny, Rosy, Naughty and Walky. Good fullbacks with cover.

Jables

You should watch some Sunderland games The hudd he has been a revelation.

spurdon

from a chelsea fan here, Rose is having a blast of a season at Sunderland...both at LB and DM...he is one to closely watch for the future...very interesting player.

layorh12

He`s playing half decent in a very boring Sunderland team .
I like MON but they are dreadful at times ,standing out in that team doesn`t count for much .

big cockeral

Still rate BAE, not sure what's happening with the injury, looks like he's leaving to me. I'm growing to Naughton but still believe the left back should be a lefty. Rose could be the answer but leave him at Sunderland this season. Did Walker the world of good at Villa.

RAF Yid

Martin O'Nell has suggested that Rose in future might be played in a different position. Midfield?? He is 5ft 8in tall while Wesley Sneijdner is 5ft 7in tall. Might happen but maybe not at Spurs!

camper

The suspicion that Rose is being recalled to allow Ekotto to leave for Chelscum in order to part finance jan signing may be true but I hope it is not. Muchas I like Rose Assou-Ekotto I still think is 2nd/3rd best left back in Prem. Last season he worked really well with Bale and is very creative overlapping down the left and can cross a ball. Naughton is improvingevery game his through ball for Defoes goal earlier this week really perked me up. It may be the talk is to raise Rose's market value?

cliffspurs

Good for player and club as loans for the younger players seems to have been helping out a lot over the last few seasons.as for kyle naughton keep to play and keep his buddy on his toes at right back.as soon as bae is back hope kn is tryeid out at right back as kw as become a little boring and sloppy.

Little spur

It makes no sense to let Rose go. The vultures will be circling on Bale in the summer and BAE hasn't committed himself to a new contract. An improved Rose will be a benefit to the club even if he doesn't make it in the long run. Saying that, I'm not yet convinced by his defensive qualities as the current kudos is all about his wide play from full-back.

muttley

One could read this part differently!: “....and we can't give away a player of his qualities.'. In other words, get your wallet out and we can talk! However, I'd like him to be part of our long term project at the Lane.

Critical_Spur

if Chavski are gonna lose Cole and bidding 15m+ for BAE, Levy will take the money as he has Verts to play there when Kaboul is fit to partner Caulker and also has Naughton and then Rose as cover.... the deal then is too good to turn down unfortunately (unless we keep BAE and tell them to come back in July for Verts)

Viyyash-Ramosh

The thing is, how many times has Naughton played already at left back? When Rose comes back he will have just as much time (if not more time) to play and be a valued member of the squad. Rose coming back will make Naughton a good option for at right back alongside Walker.

taniban

Won't get anywhere near 15million for BAE, I think you're right though, there's something going on. Jan wants to play centre half, I'm not sure about Rose yet. Still a little small for full back.

RAF Yid

Viyyash-Ramosh Who is Verts? We are not selling Vertonghen!!

Sybrian

Viyyash, "..tell them to come back in July for Verts"!!!..Wot you smoking fella?!!

Critical_Spur

Playing Naughton, a right footer, at left back shows just how short of left sided players we are. Vertonghen has already made clear he wants to play centre half, not full back. We could have really used Rose while BAE was injured. As it is its probably best to leave him where he is for the rest of the season. If you have decent players its best to try and keep them, its the strength of the squad not first eleven that counts.

jod

The interesting thing will be what chelsea do at LB -will they spend 25m shopping at RM allowing them to gather funds for Bale? or just take benny? either way Rose will stay at Sunderland this season. Benny is back soon, Naughton and verts to cover....Kaboul's 4 weeks out from 1st team start so what will happen with Daws?....but honestly with 2 days to go we should have our new player(s) in....instead we've spunked the wages on four goal keepers.

shedboy2

Shedboy2,dawson as been a great guy and servant for many years now but last nights performance as def for me made him sellable come jan with the better player coming back!the timing on rose and bae injury, thats spurs! Coys.

Little spur

Don't touch the centre backs. Keep the 5 and clean them up in the summer. The way I look at it, If we are going to sell BAE in January recall Rose, If we're keeping Benny in January leave Rose where he is and fix it all up in the summer again. Lets not complicate things. Defence is not a priority for me, even though I believe Kyle Walker should be dropped.

TopSpur13

come back in july for verts???? hahahaha...you made my day...lol...

rovinella62spurs

After years, we have a strong defensive options. There were times we didnt know when Ledley will break down or CBs available. This season with addition of Caulker & Vertonghen and good fitness from Gallas, we are looking good.
Even without BAE, we have good options in Vertonghen & Naughton. With Lloris in goal & Friedel as back up, defense is the least of our worries.
Loan or even sell Rose to Sunderland, I am ok with it. He has done well, its too early to call him back in Jan.

sydqcb5

For those who are interested in Transfer window ITKs (aka BS by some)----

From a Spurs fan on Twitter, who apparently has a trusted source
Fee agreed with Porto for Moutinho. Payment terms being discussed

sydqcb5

RE moutinho - PICS OR IT DIDNT HAPPEN..

spurring you on

Cudicini agrees transfer to LA Galaxy
http://sulia.com/channel/italy/f/b8870da7-ee36-4a20-8945-2ead409c618e/?source=twitter

sydqcb5

Cudicini agrees transfer to LA Galaxy
http://sulia.com/channel/italy/f/b8870da7-ee36-4a20-8945-2ead409c618e/?source=twitter

sydqcb5

Ba not going to Chelski according to SSN, £7.5m for a proven prem goalscorer would be good business wouldn't it? BAE has been great for us and I don't want to see him go but he could be one of those that AVB doesn't want because of attitude and personality.

Iggspur

I like Ba but he is too much of a mercenary for my liking. There is no guarantee that he will stay with us if another money bag club comes in. We need quality players who would want to play for the manager & club and also show some sense of loyalty and doing a job.

For me, Moutinho & Negredo would be ideal. Both fits the bill for us. Negredo is at the moment in top form in Spain with 10 goals from 16 games. Sevilla is in serious financial trouble and they are ready to sell him. If Levy is willing to open the pocket and buy us these 2 players, we can be competing for the title next season. But like any other transfer window, its all down to Levy.

sydqcb5

Carlo going- brilliant! Ba, I can't see us risking his knee, Moutinho would almost be a farce if we didn't sign him. We lack creativity and options when Dembele is injured (is he going to be a sick note???) so a new face is a must. BUT we really need a striker!!! Llorente would be fantastic, what's the price of Leandro now? Moutinho and Llorente=top4 finish...and if we can re-coup some of the money by letting parker and Gallas go all the better for the future...If we went the Leandro route it'd be all about the future but hopefully we'd still squeek top4....

shedboy2

Is Bentley coming back in Jan? Would love to see him come good. Fair point on Ba btw syd. Can't see us getting Moutinho as Porto are still in the CL but Negredo maybe if DL gets his cheque book out!!

Iggspur

sydqcb5- yep Negredo would suit us as would his compatriate Soldado...there are options out there but are we we prepared to actually invest in the team? We've made 32m profit on player sales over the past 2years and if you allow roughly 10m per year just to stay in the prem we should be able to spend £52m without breaking sweat....unless of course we're just going to spend all the money on a stadium so that we can compete with the likes of Newcastle...

shedboy2

Problem is that when you get a player in January they need to fit in straight away and quite often players from other countriestake time to bed in.

Iggspur

Iggspur likes of Negredo lead line of Spain. So should be good enough for us. Sevilla has agreed to pay Tax department in installment for 4 years. its ideal scenario for Levy

sydqcb5

yep- seems like a levy opportunity....there's always a risk when bringing in new players but even if they take the rest of the season to settle at least they'd give us some cover this year and be ready for next season...we have to be constantly evolving and buying better players if we want to compete, otherwise you just go the way of villa....

shedboy2

Rose...probably worth about £5mill'. Carlo Cudicini is reported to be off to the usa......thankyou and good luck. Another possible striker target....maybe Aubameyang...or perhaps...Seydou Doumbia..(csk moscow).

82spursdebut

The logical thing is to bring Rose back for what is going to be a grueling second half of the season. But logic and Levy don't go hand in hand as we all know! Will Levy want to save the twenty something grand a week that Sunderland are currently saving Joe Lewis each week on Rose's wages, or will he bring the boy back to give AVB more rotation options for the 2nd half of the tough season?

pelebro

NEW ARTICLE PLEASE

ghulamville

I haven't seen anything in Rose to get excited about. Thought he was disappointing when he came in last year. And I wasn't impressed with his little outburst about not getting games. I know young defenders need time to time to mature and I will cut them some slack. And yes that includes Walker. But unless Rose has dramatically improved I wouldn't be concerned if he left. What worries me is our strikers. Just not performing of late. Our number one priority should be to get in a proven goal scorer or we can say bye bye to top 4 and then to Bale in the summer.

ParkLaneBB

Luka Modric - voted worst signing of La Liga in 2012

sydqcb5

That true, sydqcb45? That's funny. Good start to NYE. Btw, NY greetings to all on here. Keep the faith and here's to a successful NY. Top 4 and Europa winners in Amsterdam. The 50th anniversary of our first European trophy. won in Holland, too.

ParkLaneBB

How about offering a swap...........Rose for Sessegnon?

TQ2Spurs

Yes, there's a thought.......or fletcher. My son says...still rather have Aubameyang or Doumbia....lol

82spursdebut

I think Sessegnon is very much in the VdV mould and has good ball skills, ideal for unpicking teams that park the bus, would be a very good squad addition IMO.

TQ2Spurs

Pelebro - I'd say the logical thing is for Rose to stay where he is, save us 20kpw and increase his value and development whilst our 1st choice left back returns from injury and we also have Naughton and Verts for cover, no point bringing him back to sit on the bench? sessognon looked good last year but this year he's been lacking...

shedboy2

I say sell benny and cash in on him while we can. In my opinion he3 is a liabnility. He goes to sleep far too often and just doesn't seem to be able to THINK his way out of a problem, he just boots the ball upfield instead of kicking into touch when needed which still results in continued pressure without us being able to reorganise to deal with it, whereas if he kicks it out then we get a breather, break up the attack and deal with the throw. I don't think he is good enough for us to be able to keep him for CL or to challenge for a top two or three place. Now for all you lot to scream and curse me out for apparantly dissing your precious Benny. Well I really coul;dn't care less if you do slate me because that is my honest opinion of him, he is not good enough because he loses concentration too often at vitasl points of the game and loses us points.

chrishove123

Mmmmm Doumbia!!

coopsieyid

Coops is back. How are you Sir?? And I must admit I never thought rosé would make it but he seems to have matured into a very good left back so where would the sense be in selling him as he'd offer great competition an rotation. But for his development I feel he must stay at Sunderland for the remainder of the season. As for personal transfers. A striker is a definite must, I used to think a number ten type player was as well but Dempsey seems to have really come into his own recently as a creative force an siggurdsson seems to be getting more an more confident from the bench so not sure that position is too crucial at the moment

BrooksySpurs

Anyone think that if there's a chance levy will go for it then Modric may rejoin us??? Food,for thought.

BrooksySpurs

Hi Brooksy, not too bad thanks, you? The problem with Dempsey is that he's looked like the player of last season when he was used on the left in bales absence, whilst he's looked pretty damn woeful through the middle. As for Modric, NO WAY!!

coopsieyid

Whats all this "guarantee of a starting place" crap, who do players think they are these days, in a truly strong competitive club nobody should be guaranteed starting spot, definitely not a 22 year old rooky full back. If you look at all of the best teams in the PL how many players are guaranteed a start. Man U have Welbeck, Hernandez, Nani, any 3 of their 5 CBs, and others, all struggling to start, Man City have a list of top players too long to mention who would all crave a start, Chelsea have Marin, Osca, Lampard, and others not getting a start, Arsenal have Ramsey, Giroud, and others not starting. Who the bloody hell does Master Rose think he is, if he shows in training, or next pre-season, assuming he stays at Sunderland until May, that he has overtaken BAE and is worthy of a start, then as AVB has shown with others he will pick him on merit, end of. As for demanding 1st team starts, if that's his attitude then perhaps we should sell him to Sunderland and move on. He is a good young player, but if he is getting too big for his boots perhaps we would be better off without him, but only if that is Spur's choice not his, he has a contract to honour.

Frank

Welcome back Coopsie, where the bloody hell have you been.

Frank

Sessegnon, how many good games does the guy have? It's only 3 or 4 weeks ago that O'Neil was complaining about how poor he had been. Hot and Cold players we don't need, we have more than our share already.

Frank

Cliffspurs, no need to finance signings in the January window (that won't happen anyway), we already did that in the summer, we have yet to spend the Modric, VDV money, £10-12M profit in that window, trousered as usual.

Frank

Danny Rose is a difficult one. He has the ability to play, but is too talented to sit and play one game every 5 which is what I imagine would be realistic if BAE is still in the fold. It really comes down to whether or not BAE will be remaining. If he stays for another 3 or 4 years, Rose should be sold at season's end. Naughton can play both sides and I rate him far better defensively. The only area where I have Rose ahead is pushing forward and set pieces, though Naughton again showed the other day that when he picks his spot, he can be electric. Naughton though, IMO, is a far superior footballer as he is cover/option/rotation on both sides.

If BAE wants to go to France, I'd be ok with that and then would keep Rose. Chelsea should be an absolute no-go, unless they want to give us 20M for him. The thing is, Chelsea's defence is poor and I would be loathe to help them out in that regard at all. Cech goes down and they are done.

As for the proposition of selling Dawson, no way would I do that. Sell Gallas. At our level and in this system, he is wel past it. Harry will overpay, as would others, so let him go. Dawson, for all of his faults, gives 100%, is a monster in the air at both ends and seems to be playing well with Caulker, who looks to be trying to do too much with Gallas. He is Spurs, through and through and is the perfect person to have as a number 4 CB behind Vertonghen, Kaboul and Caulker. If we're to sign Vanderweirald, fine, Dawson can go too, but IMO, he is a player who rotates ell, never causes a distraction and is happy to live or die by merit. He is character through and through.

Get Leandro, Eriksson, Willian, and perhaps Sandro will be proven correct. We are but a few players from competing for titles. COYS

peterballb

Hi Frank, hope you're well? Where have I been? Let's just say not a nice place mate, and still there!!

coopsieyid

Coopsie, hope you are well. IMO, Dempsey has not been used in his best position. I'd have him (4-4-2) up top with Adebayor behind him. Dempsey, despite his lack of pace, seems to always be in and around the crosses in to the box. Defoe is never there and Adebayor has never been great in that department. Where Adebayor is great is at holding up the ball, pulling defenders to him and then releasing his partner. Defoe, not shockingly, does not seem to be of the same mind as Adebayor and consequently they look like two individual strikers out there. Look at the give and go's that have occurred between Adebayor and Dempsey. They seem to get each other. That's what we need if we are playing 4-4-2. Otherwise it's back to 4-5-1 and, Defoe, in that formation, would never be my choice as the up top player. He does not hold the ball up, squanders too many chances while offering very little in the build up on other player's goals. I presume Dempsey will be playing on the left tomorrow so perhaps he and Adebayor can manage to create something. Our largest need for January is to address the squandered chances and to create some silkiness through the middle. We struggle to break down teams determined to defend because there is no one pulling the strings and there is no concerted attack. It's just a bunch of parts. Villa and Stoke were perfect examples. Lots of unmet crosses. All sorts of weak shots. Very little creativity when quick thought and action were required. Schneijder would be a great addition, though I doubt we could afford him. He, Isco or Eriksson, Leandro and Willian would mae a huge impact on the silkiness to our attack. We are way too predictable and waste far too many crosses and corners. That needs to change if we are to become perennial top 4. COYS

peterballb

Off the beaten path strikers - Kostas Mitroglou has all the tools and would be a darned side cheaper than many names bandied about here. I'd also be willing to look at Srna as a winger, RB cover. With his ability to supply crosses and quality balls, perhaps he could teach Walker a thing or three. Dzagoev might be a decent shoul as well. COYS

peterballb

I've been sweet coops. Sorry to hear about ur self an hope it all works out in the end. Don't you think on occasion demps recently even through the middle he has been rather creative. The blowing bubbles lot seem to ring a bell

BrooksySpurs

Peter, agree about Defoe, still flatters to deceive. Against good defenders he is totally ineffective. Would like to see Ade up top on own with players bombing from midfield. You're right we still lack one or two but have a good chance to sign these and keep the others. Losing Gomes, Gallas, Bentley, Jenas, Hudd and Cuc off the wage bill will help!

RAF Yid

Thankyou Peter, hope you're well too.. I feel Dempsey's best performances for us were when he was filling in for Bale on the left. Danny Murphy said a few weeks back that Demps was at his best at Fulham when he was coming in from the left and, based upon what I've seen thus far, I tend to agree with him. I've already had enough of Adebayor, if I'm honest. He's shown nowhere near the quality that he showed last season, he doesn't appear to offer any goal threat whatsoever, he still has the first touch of the cushion on a snooker table, and he just doesn't look 'happy'.. I still believe that Levy got him with no other intention than to sell him on for a profit ASAP. It makes sense too. Afterall, getting a player of Adebayors quality for a poultry £5mil = Absolute chance to make a quick profit.... And Peter, I've just come across a piece of supposed ITK that you may appreciate reading, even if it is most likely total horse sheit........

"Hi guys,
I know we're all getting a bit tired of hearing about Leandro etc but my cousin text me a little while ago, big Spurs fan so definitely not a wind up. Anyway, here's the text in full:

"You heard anything on damiao lately? Coz my m8 lives in cuffley & Gomes gets his haircut there & he said he been chatting to internacionale & he said he's going there & we getting damiao with money on top of Gomes! I have photo evidence my friend was defo with Gomes. It's 6/1 odds in bet victor I might place a bet... Lol"

Obviously I'm passing this on in good faith, as always take it with a pinch of salt if you need to but personally I think the deal makes sense as his hype has died down a lot and I believe January is their off season?"............

coopsieyid

Brooksy, hopefully my response to Peter also answers your question too?

Peter & RAF, though you both know my feelings about Defoe, and how I feel we definitely need better, I actually think he looked VERY good, up until Ade came into the side. Defoe was working hard, tracking back, moving well & actually leading the line with pretty good success. He was scoring consistently, and all different types of goals at that. Then Ade came in & it's appeared to have a negative effect upon Defoes earlier form.

coopsieyid

I think Ade will divide opinions, I still think given a run of games with good support from midfield, he will do well. He could also go the other way and become totally useless. I don't think the partnership between him and Defoe works, Coops, I like the rumour but can't see him coming unless we can guarantee CL football.

RAF Yid

Agree about Defoe, he still IMO isn't good enough against the best sides, Reading no problem, MU, Chelski or City, ineffective. AVB knows his best formation and knows he needs more guile to play that. Defoe isn't in, an okay 4-4-2 forward but not for a top 4 side.

RAF Yid

RAF - As always mate, barrel loads of salt with any IDK (no that's not a typo ;) )

coopsieyid

And RAF, I can't put a link to the site I saw the IDK stuff about Leandro (can't be advertising other sites), but there are pics attached of Gomes at the barbers mentioned..

coopsieyid

Yh it does haha. An lean fro I feel will be a Spur. None of the big clubs will go for him, he's getting to the age where he needs to make a big career move an AVB says he still wants him. Oh an Sandro an Gomes may have a wee word in his ear too!

BrooksySpurs

Great to have you back coops.wish ya good luck for 2013 and to all spurs fans.

Little spur

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