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Who, When and Why? (The Outs)

Who, When and Why? (The Outs)

Transfer windows like this one are all the more challenging for players, managers, owners and of course fans.

The reason why there is that extra confusion in my mind and no doubt many of yours is that when we have a new(ish) manager who is perhaps still looking to impart his ideas on the players and hope he has already proved his own ability to persuade the owner to part with enough money and also trust his judgment over others who perhaps have a closer and longer relationship. We also have to consider the extra cost and upheaval that comes with making any, let alone many changes halfway through a season, so there is always a thinking that unless it ain't broke, don't try to fix it or unless it is for an absolute steal, don't buy it.

Of course we probably know where we would like to add quality, and I hope that AVB and his team already have a definite plan in place for who is and isn't part of his plans and also where he needs to add quality or depth. You do wonder whether there are players at the club who feel they are surplus, whilst I imagine a few already are very well aware that they are not in the managers plans and will either me sold or loaned at the best, if not first opportunity. Others will of course be loaned out either because it is a last chance to prove their worth to to simply gain experience, hopefully in as positive a way as Danny Rose is doing at Sunderland.

Question is who is potentially available and who might be sacrificed to get in quick money or if we can bring in other players? You assume that Jenas, Bentley and Gomes are already out of AVB's thinking and deals are already in the pipeline. Whether JJ will remain at Notts Forest remains up for debate. He still struggles with injury, but their fans rate and like him on the rare occasions he plays, and though they have surprisingly replaced Shaun O'Driscoll, who was apparently initially sceptical about bringing in Jenas, he has been replaced by Alex McLeish, who signed the player on loan for Villa last season, so despite him missing nearly all of that time due to snapping his Achilles, he clearly felt he was a good player.

Bentley is out of contract in the summer, therefore you feel that Spurs would accept any early deal, but equally you feel that Bentley may well prefer to bide his time and take a free transfer if he could get it and pocket the extra cash that may be available in the summer. a good and impressive domestic loan in between seems the compromise. Apparently Wigan are interested and I actually feel this could be a decent move. As for Gomes, he is already back in Brazil, which has prompted the suggestion that he is lined up for a move. Rumours that he could be a makeweight in a deal to sign Leandro Damiao from Internacional, may or may not have legs, but for Levy just getting Gomes and others off the payroll, will be a positive. If we generously accept that Bentley, JJ, Gomes and the already departed Cudicini earned an average of 40 grand a week, thats £8 million off of the wage bill.

Looking at those who are actively in the current squad, you still have to question the long term future of Michael Dawson, simply because AVB was prepared to sell him in the summer. Has his recent form coupled with attitude and effort on the training ground altered his thinking? Dawson is a strong and solid stopper type of defender and one that appears well liked and respected in the dressing room, but in terms of his being picked against the physical teams such as Stoke, could we honestly say that a fit Younes Kaboul wouldn't offer the same qualities of strength, but also add footballing qualities and greater pace to what Daws has? It did cross my mind yesterday that William Gallas will be next out the door. Perhaps he was merely rested or carrying a slight knock, however his not even being on the bench hinted to me that he is on his way and perhaps Harry has already lined him up as a cheap or free addition to QPR?

In midfield, You do feel that Tom Huddlestone is a player that simply doesn't have a future at WHL. Personally I like him, but he still hasn't ironed out certain failings to his game and it is apparent that he will never have that speed or mobility to operate in a midfield two, especially when an opposition play three, and perhaps doesn't quite have the all-round quality of others at the club to ever be anything more than a squad player. A loan perhaps, but if a reasonable bid came in and there was already a replacement lined up, could or should we sell. With a slighty heavy heart, thinking what might have been, I feel it is a yes. Can we see a situation where we would still consider selling Scott Parker? He is a player I rate extremely highly and I wouldn't sell unless I received a truly stupid offer or the player made it clear he wanted out, but should for example AVB get in his dream player (Moutinho) could Parker be sacrificed if they could get their money back? Of the youth, I would like to see both Livermore and Carroll get half season loans, as I rate their potential, but do feel they need games and experience, so should we sign one and retain Sandro, Dembele and Parker and/or Hudd, would it make sense?

In attack, there aren't too many players to discuss, but I will start with one that is already on loan in Harry Kane. Though he seems certain to remain at Carrow Road to gain experience, he has suffered with missing the majority of the season to date with injury, but has received positive reviews in his last two games against Man City and West Ham and having the remainder of the season to hopefully establish himself in the starting XI, you feel this is the right decision. One thing that does worry me slightly is that Norwich have been linked with several strikers, either on loan or permanent deals. Would a new striker mean less opportunity for Harry, therefore could it be wise to move him on rather than be a bench warmer? With only two natural strikers, it seems impossible to imagine one leaving, even if we bought a new player in. However, do we still feel totally confident in believing that either Defoe or Adebayor would be happy playing second fiddle to a big money signing that might become the first choice pick?

Jermain Defoe, has done very well, but for all his goals and all-round improvement to his game, he remains a poacher first and foremost and his default move is still to turn and shoot instead of looking for better positioned options. He is great facing goal and as a natural finisher, but does he really have that all-round game to bring the best out of those around him? Perhaps one to keep as a good and loyal option, but is he ever going to be a long term solution under AVB? As for Adebayor, he remains a bit of an enigma, on his day he is a brilliant and unplayable striker, but those days simply haven't happened enough this season, perhaps due to injury, lack of confidence or simply a lack of understanding or chemistry with his playing partner. Would it really be a shock if we were to sell him in the summer or even in January of an offer was made? I can't imagine he would embrace another striker that would limit his opportunities further and he has never been happy to be a squad option. Though I clearly don't know the exact details of his summer move from City, I do wonder if his pay-off from City and new wage at WHL would actually make it easier to sell him, as his wages would be more realistic and therefore easier to do a deal.

The fact Spurs seem to operate a committee approach to buying and selling perhaps makes things harder to make decisions, but in turn perhaps at least share the blame when a player fails. I can imagine Levy, Sherwood, Freund and AVB all sitting around a table with their player wants and reasons firmly in hand. Does this make for good policy of buying or selling? Without being a fly on the wall, I really don't know the dynamics of what goes on, but I would like to think that AVB will be the man who gets what he wants more than doesn't, as to date he deserves backing, but I also see no point in his being forced to buy or sell players he doesn't really fancy. To date I haven't heard of too many turkeys being touted to come in, whilst equally I haven't seen too many superstars of shocks going out. Bale to Madrid in the summer for £50m+ is clearly an option, but is that something that could be out of everyones hands if the bid came in and the player wanted the move. Long term contract or not...

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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Wednesday January 2 2013
Time: 11:42AM

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COYS... 2013 here we go...
Yidmarks
02/01/2013 11:57:00
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PLAYMAKER and a STRIKER this month please Mr Levy...
Yidmarks
02/01/2013 11:58:00
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Apart from the obvious JJ, Gomes and Bentley I don't think we should make to many sales. I've always believed that a balanced squad needs to players for every position plus some youth. On this basis Hudd definitely looks surplus but given Gallas age I'm not sure that Daws is. We need four CBs (2 + 2 cover) which IMO should be Verts, Kaboul, Caulker & Daws, with Gallas being sold if poss otherwise I assume he hasn't long left on his contract anyway?
Kes80
02/01/2013 11:59:00
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I think to pretty much said it all, OX. Nothing to add except to say that my priority would be for a No 10 type of striker.
Love totty
02/01/2013 12:01:00
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Usual problem with this article, assumes we can sell players whether they want to go or not. Dawson has already turned down a move to QPR. Parker is going nowhere, he earns £75k a week, no one else will pay him anywhere near that so he'll see out his contract whether he plays or not. With any player you want to get rid of the first hurdle is the buying club must at least match his current wages, or as with City and Adebeyor you must be prepared to pay him to go away. Otherwise players can and will see out their contracts then move as free agents. The reason Jenas and Bentley are on loan is because no one is interested in paying them the kind of money they are getting from us and this way at least a small part of the cost is offset.
jod
02/01/2013 12:03:00
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Still think there will be very little movement inwards altho very happy to be wrong
Big Ron
02/01/2013 12:03:00
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MOUTINHO..SNEIDJER.. WILLIAN.. ISCO.. ALEXIS SANCHEZ... BENAT.. DZAGOEV.. LLORENTE.. LOPEZ.. LEWIS HOLTBY... INCE JNR... REMY.. KAKA..

COME ON MR LEVY... SURPRISE US..
Yidmarks
02/01/2013 12:04:00
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I don't see much movement for us in Jan. I would sell Gomes to say Brazillian side Internacional who are in market for a keeper and possibly see if a deal is possible for Damiao with Gomes + money. We would then have Lloris & Friedel and include young Jordan Archer.

I would sell Livermore or Huddlestone. In DMF we already have Sandro & Parker, provided if we buy someone like Moutinho.
sydqcb5
02/01/2013 12:12:00
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Jod, agree but we could lose the transfer fee and pay the player off. This will be cheaper than having them sat in the stands. Look at Gomes, the rumour is that Levy wanted a fee, doesn't make sense. Get rid, except the loss!! COYS, good article Ox.
RAF Yid
02/01/2013 12:14:00
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Accept, whoops!
RAF Yid
02/01/2013 12:16:00
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Stupid old VDV! Shoulda stayed with us after all
micyid
02/01/2013 12:22:00
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By the way, I have lost all my confidence on Levy in trying to sell Bentley. He should have somehow sold him back to Mark Hughes QPR for 10million in summer. And he should have sold Gomes to QPR before they got Cesar. Greene & Gomes would have been lethal & QPR would have been top10 by now.
sydqcb5
02/01/2013 12:22:00
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Cant see too many ins or outs this window. If we shift the obvious (maybe just release them for free now rather than in the summer) then we might bring in a player. I really cant see us signing anyone of any real quality though, maybe someone for the future or just for cover. Llorente, Damiao Schnider etc are all just birthday wishes. I would be very suprised if too many changes are made to the first 11. On a seperate note, siggurdson looked bloody awfull agianst reading. Think it highlights our need to get another player who can play on the flanks.
hudderspur
02/01/2013 12:31:00
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Jod, of course you are absolutely correct in stating that it isnt easy to sell players, but that was also why I have talked about a loan option or also a situation where we might sell IF a decent offer came in. if we are able to move one player on in addition to the already departed Cudicini, we have two squad places free, therefore selling might not be vital to bring someone in, however much of what was written was based upon future plans and who may and who may not be available IF a deal could be made
oxfordspur
02/01/2013 12:32:00
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Modric voted worst La Liga signing of 2012! Amazing.
Tactically Challenge
02/01/2013 12:32:00
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In yesterday's game, AVB wrote a note and gave it to Adebayor in the midle of the game. I found it really odd and intriguing. Any wild guesses what that might be?

Ox, why not a vital poll on this? :)
sydqcb5
02/01/2013 12:36:00
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Not on the same page, but what happened to Clive Allen? Also what role does Tim Sherwood hold at the club? If we make any signings during this window they will be good ones, AVB is a man i very much trust, the Lewis Holtby rumours doing the rounds, looks like a deal we could tie up now and join in the summer, by all accounts his a very good player Stefan will know all about him from his german contacts, we have good back up staff who know the game inside out. AVB has had the chance to look at most of our squad and decide who cut's the mustard at who does not. Carlo going to LA Galaxy, one of the books, Bentley another not good enough for back up, Jenas same as Bentley only worse, he has been hanging over us for far to long, Gomes should be allowed to leave and should do so for his own good.
spu 4 life
02/01/2013 12:42:00
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sydqcb5, firstly if you want to send me a poll suggestion, I will put it up. am just about to walk out the door. as for the note, I am guessing it is to ask him if he has decided to go to the ACN or not. Probably just said; Make your Fecking mind up!!!
oxfordspur
02/01/2013 12:43:00
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Good article there Ox, my worry is, based on your assessment of our transfer committee - we will look to buy a race horse and end up buying a camel... The only area where we seem to have a surplus of players is DMF and its with a heavy heart that Big Tom is the player to sell. All those haters of Livermore need only look at Noughton, Walker, Bale and even Sandro to see with full prem games under their belt the young players improve dramatically. I noted one ex-footballers comment during a match over the christmas, that it take s a young player about twenty league games to get up to speed and pace of the premiership. Noughton has really come on playing out of position at LB and we now have genuine cover when BAE returns which eliminates the need to purchase for this area.
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 12:46:00
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At this stage of the season, well LEANDRO would be a massive signing, WILLIAN the same, Mountinho is still high on the AVB wanted list, SNEIJDER never say never. I know they may well be pipe dreams, but you can't have to many class players. Good indians we have, CLASS CHIEFS, more the better.
spu 4 life
02/01/2013 12:48:00
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Obviously I think that Jenas, Bentleyand Gomes should be sold aswell but that goes with out saying at this stage surely! Carroll out on loan is a no brainer, Livermore is probably in the worse situation in that he is a good squad option and so won't be let out on loan but equally won't get near as much game time as cover for Sandro / Parker! Will this hinder his development in the long run for short term peace of mind for AVB?
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 12:51:00
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Every transfer window for the last four years seems to be a bit of a time warp we are linked with Leandro, Moutinho, Willian again, Llorente might come but juventus have champions league (until Celtic surprise them!) can someone please sign these players so Spurs transfer reports can move on!!!
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 12:53:00
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Going back to yesterday, i have never seen a spurs side shoot so much from outside the box before, who's idea was that, because it was good to see. Someone has been doing their homework on teams parking up in front of us.
spu 4 life
02/01/2013 12:54:00
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Amazing init! Manure couldn't buy Sneijder for 40million twelve months ago and now Inter can't give him away for free!!! Harry will have some of that action! Parker would be the ideal player to keep QPR in the prem and probably have pockets deep enought o cover his wages! Don't want him sold but expect a bid none the less.
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 12:56:00
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I would like us to try something different. For whatever reason Adebayor has gone backwards this season. He looks like he needs a new challenge abroad. If he doesn't go to the ANC next week then I would like to see us offer him plus cash to Juventus (who were interested in him previously) and try to prise Vucinic and Vidal from Juventus. That would give us a 'clever' hold up striker in Vucinic (Serbia's version of Berbatov) as well as an attacking midfielder in Vidal. They know each other well so should link up and deliver quickly. It is very unlikely to happen but it would be good to see us try.
SpuriousLife
02/01/2013 12:56:00
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I guess Freund worked with Lewis Holtby in Germany when he was Germany U16-18 coach. If we end up signing him it may well be based on Freund's feedback. Till now I like the work Freund has done for us, may be we have to trust his judgement if we end up with Holtby. He looks a decent player to me.
sydqcb5
02/01/2013 12:56:00
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Slurms McKenzie if we sign these guys the press would have nothing to write about
spu 4 life
02/01/2013 12:56:00
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If we could just get our strikers to move as fast as Freund does off the bench when we score - we'ed be unstoppable!
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 12:57:00
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Slurms McKenzie, I get the impression that AVB rates Carroll and Livermore, but perhaps he rightly (in my opinion) feels they need games and experience, as well as keeping them motivated. Can we honestly see Carroll get games if we keep Dembele fit and perhaps buy a player like Moutinho? similarly with Livermore, above Parker and sandro?
oxfordspur
02/01/2013 12:57:00
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Apologies - Montenegro not Serbia!
SpuriousLife
02/01/2013 12:57:00
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I notice a few people would like to see Moutinho signed. He's a great player but is he what we need? With the Dembele/Sandro partnership flourishing how would Moutinho fit in? You could push Dembele forward but I'm not sure he's the player to fit 'in the hole' and I'm not sure that Moutinho is either.
Kes80
02/01/2013 12:57:00
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In response to the title. Hudd - ASAP - Fat.
thenuge
02/01/2013 12:58:00
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Arry can phuck off..''they were i trouble when i took over, it would take a miracle to keep them up, what do QPR fans expect they are all idiots''
spu 4 life
02/01/2013 12:59:00
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We definitely should not be selling Parker this window either! We need him not just for his ability but for his experience and leadership as well.
Kes80
02/01/2013 12:59:00
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Just as an aside, I really like the way Livermore seems to have settled into the squad mentality, he seems to have that confidence of mind, without appearing in the slightest cocky. Watching him wait to come on yesterday he was almost arrogant, in a good way with a self assured smirk. similarly do we remember the game he came on the pitch to sort out a scuffle on the pitch. He like Caulker dont seem like players to take any *****e.
oxfordspur
02/01/2013 12:59:00
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SpuriousLife,its hard to see why Vucinic will leave Juve and join us. He already rejected us last season and I dont think he will leave them.
sydqcb5
02/01/2013 13:00:00
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I believe that Levy has learnt from his huge mistake in letting Harry stockpile players for the sake of it. He had to repair the damage in the summer by removing 13 senior players offset against 6 coming in. The list of outgoings: Alnwick, Button, Janssen, Corluka, Nelsen, King, Bassong, Modric, Pienaar, Kranjcar, Gio, VDV, Saha. That still left Gomes, Cudicini, Khumalo, Bentley, Jenas, Dawkins and Obika, all of which have no material impact to the 1st team setup. I'm hoping Levy feels equally motivated to keep clearing this deadwood in January so we can finally get back to what most clubs would perceive as a "normal" squad size. He must have assessed the damage it did to the balance sheet especially in the close season when he was paying for all of them.

Levy has also learnt that it's worth checking the date of births of players as well. When the manager comes along and wants to buy one / sell one in Janury he needs to remind them that there is another one turning 21. In the case of next season we would need to register Caulker, Smith, Townsend, Mason and Parrett if AVB chose for them to be involved. Levy has taken longer than most chairman to get to grips with the 25 man squad rule. Hopefully he's finally sussed it now though and will help AVB have quality versus Harry's quantity of players.
muttley
02/01/2013 13:01:00
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I disagree re no activity in this window. This is the FIRST PROPER transfer window for AVB where his tenure has seen him get his feet under the desk, install his methods, system, tactics and hopefully helped him identify exactly who he needs or doesn't need moving forward. A pretty large group of players (thanks Arry) have been given a opportunity. IMO some have cut the grade the other failed and the odd one undecided upon.

I therefore expect a number of sales, loans and a couple of signings. I am not overly optimistic about TWO high profile additions and will be content with ONE. I expect several of our youngsters to be sent on loan.

ONE striker and ONE young/upcoming midfielder may be the best compromise. Though knowing Levy, lastminute.com may be on the horizon! COYS!
Critical_Spur
02/01/2013 13:01:00
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I hear that spu 4!!! Spurious Vidal looks like and interesting alternative to our midfield "problem" and maybe a cheaper option. To be fair to Ade he probably isn't anywhere near match fit due to injuries and his our transfer issues. A trip to the ANC would mean (hopefully) more game time for him and a decent third striker would have to be purchased by Spurs, then around mid February we would have three very good and fit strikers to choose from! If the Ade wants to be gauranteed first team football he needs to move to a smaller club with limited resources or improve dramatically!
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 13:04:00
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@ Critical_Spur, I agree that there will and ideally should be ins and outs, but I want any move to be the right one as opposed top buying/selling because we feel we have to make instant change. If getting the right player means we have to wait until the summer, I would rather that than buy the 2nd or third choice and compromise our decision
oxfordspur
02/01/2013 13:05:00
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If we are going to sell a CB it has to be Gallas. Dawson is only what 28, and is happy to be the 4th choice, besides he is better than Gallas.

Of the obvious Jenas, Bentley and Gomes (I would keep Gomes and sell Grandpa) I think we should make room for our emerging youngsters and sell Hudd or maybe Livermore. Perhaps Livermore should be loaned out and see if he can progress to become Parker replacement in the future. We definitely should not sell Parker in this window. He has looked great and we stopped conceding late goals when he returned.
Jables
02/01/2013 13:06:00
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Get Saha and Nelsen... Sorted!
TopSpur13
02/01/2013 13:10:00
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Ox, Looking at where we are in the league and how well AVB has managed the team, It would be a travesty if he was NOT allowed to at least consolidate his work. A long term project does not need to start at the bottom of the league table. But having arrived at 3rd place through a lot of graft, we need to maintain it and it is patently obvious we need at least ONE addition at this point. If Ade goes to ANC, the striker recruitment is aramount. I think we can get aways without any midfield additions for now.
Critical_Spur
02/01/2013 13:11:00
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I agree Ox that Carroll should get a loan move and this will help him develop into a great player for Spurs, my point is that I don't see Lovermore getting the same oppertunity because he is closer to the first team but as you say only as cover for players mentioned. But if we gambled on the fitness of Sandro, Parker and Dembele and let Livermore go to another prem team for first team experience then the squad would be alot stronger come September.
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 13:11:00
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A successful loan spell for Livermore might pave the way for selling Parker in the summer!
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 13:13:00
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So at the moment our squad is looking like this: Keepers (sorted), Defense (sorted) with players returning from injury and possibly Gallas moving on (although the first part of this season showed that five CB on the books isn't really that carzy) Midfield - overloaded with players but unbalanced in terms of options and finally Attack - definitely limited in terms of choice. Based on this assessment signing of a striker in this window and thining of the midfield should be the priority. So one signing in and three to five players either sold or loaned.
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 13:19:00
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Exactly Slurms!. So with the sales and Levy's wheeling dealing, finances should NOT be a problem imo.
Critical_Spur
02/01/2013 13:22:00
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But thats a credit to AVB because for a long time I thought we were light in cover for full backs but Noughton has proved me wrong! I am still amazed that Lloris pulls on Spurs shirt every week when you look a the goal keeping problems all of the other contenders are having or are rapidly approaching what a master stroke to get the French International keeper! A similar approach to our strikers department and we will be well on the way to greatness!
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 13:29:00
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We should replace Bentley and Jenas (simply haven't played for us in such a long time, they need to budge) with one creative midfielder. This will keep us happy and also Levy, who will have 2 players off the bill and only 1 in. Thinking about our forwards, we may need to look at the loan option for now…. And this is only if Ade goes away to play for Togo. Any major signing we make i.e. Number 9 in Jan will affect the Defoe's and Ade's starts, and will limit what games Dempsey will start in. We don't want to upset these 3 at the current time. It could of course have the opposite effect and raise their game, but is this worth the risk? When we could get a higher profile player in summer who can train and be included in pre-season with the others? I think 1 IN minimum for Jan and 2 OUT, in the midfield area. Keep quality in depth and Happy days. We are starting to play the sublime footy Harry had us playing, and the amount of chances we are making is steadily climbing. Well done gaffa/lads over the festive period, onwards and upwards. COYS.
SpursOne2
02/01/2013 13:40:00
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Just did an interesting exercise. I calculated the average age of the starting 11 for this year's New Year's Day fixture and compared it to last year's. AVB reduced the average age from 28.4 years (last year) to 25.4 years (this year).
StillRickyVilla
02/01/2013 13:53:00
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Finances shouldn't be a problem anyway, in every window since HR's first, when we brought in a few like Defoe, Kaboul, Keane etc. although the cost of these was not as reported, and often quoted on here, as both Defoe and Kaboul were in effect reposessions from Portsmouth as the original fees for them were largely unpaid, and Liverpool still owed some of the Keane fee, we have at worst broken even, but usually made a profit, in every window since. Then there is the CL money, and PL prize money, so finance shouldn't be a problem. With regards to our current squad, is it the best it can possibly be, of course not, neither is it at any other club. Even the top teams i.e. Barca, Real, Man U, Man City, Chelsea, etc.etc. that is why they are always striving to improve, always in the market for good players who can make them better, stronger, year on year, window on window. To be successful you have to continually evolve and improve, to stand still as AVB according to his press statements, and Levy, apparently want and hope to do, is to effectively go backwards, as those around you progress. The term settled squad is a misnomer, it is in fact a weakness rather than a strength, as in any business it suggests stagnation, you always have to strive towards continuous improvement. Before somebody throws up the new training ground and proposed but unlikely new stadium project, the cost of these cannot be allowed to defer investment in the most important assets of a FOOTBALL CLUB, it's players, in order to remain competitive. So come on AVB and Levy lets see you filling the obvious holes in the squad i.e. a quality locksmith MFer and a proper striker. Having seen us murder Reading with 34 attempts on goal, 24 of which were outside the box, score 3 goals, wasting a golden opportunity of dramatically improving our GD, and for a brief period risking getting pulled back to 2-2, following draws at home v Norwich, WBA, and Stoke, surely these needs should be obvious to everyone including our chairman.
Frank
02/01/2013 13:59:00
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SRV perhaps the fact that we had Dempsey, Parker and BAE unable to start due to injury, or ongoing recovery, had as much impact on the average age of our starting line up than any AVB agenda.
Frank
02/01/2013 14:06:00
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Frank, maybe, maybe not. Neither Parker or Ledley played in the New Year's game last year, had they played the comparison would have been even wider.
StillRickyVilla
02/01/2013 14:16:00
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SRV - that was probably all down to leaving out Brad. LOL
Love totty
02/01/2013 14:18:00
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RAF Yid - If we pay off their contract in full its not cheaper, it costs us the same either way. There's no way the player would agree if you don't pay them in full. hudderspur - You can't "release" a player without their agreement. If you are paying him a lot more than he's worth he won't agree. oxfordspur - The problem with loans is you rarely get all the wages covered. If its a championship side probably only a small percentage. Its still often the least worst option but don't imagine it solves the problem. I really can't see a situation where anyone is going to make offers for players we want to get rid off, nor can I see a situation where they will take them for free on our wages.
jod
02/01/2013 14:24:00
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We don't have to worry too much about the Manc Clubs spending big or '2 more managers till summer' Chelsea. Can we see Arsenal, Everton and WBA spending big in Jan? I don't think so. We won't stand still ha, and we're not on a downward moving escalator either. We just need to use the squad and increase quality in depth. If we can move a few players out, get one in maybe..i think that's enough imo. Unless of course Ade does the off, then we need cover. I would love a new number 9 in but could be tricky and we want the right man. COYS.
SpursOne2
02/01/2013 14:25:00
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Love totty haha. Lloris for Brad skews it by 1.3 years (still an overall average reduction of 2 years between this year and last year though). If you put in Ledley & Parker into last year's team then it balances out exactly. So i think an overall reduction of 2 or 3 years is about right - i should get paid for working this stuff out!!
StillRickyVilla
02/01/2013 14:27:00
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Ok we need to get shot of 1 keeper and seeing as we've decided to spunk our money on Brad's wages then Gomes has to go...with Kaboul we could look to off-load a CB with Kaboom coming back- Daws we could sell and make a profit....Gallas at 35, on big money with only 6mths on his contract I suspect we may be able give away but a club would be mad to buy, Khumalo is doing great so we'll make a profit on the SA captain...Midfield we need a playmaker...if we can get moutinho I'd have no problem with Parker leaving IF we could get anyone to take him....he's been a very expensive buy for 6mths good service..but that said I don't think anyone will stump up the cash so I suspect Thud may be loaned or sold...and of course we need a STRIKER!!! Leandro with Gomes as a makeweight would be ideal...
shedboy2
02/01/2013 14:35:00
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as for JJ his contract is up in 6ths..Bentley I thought still had til 2014 but if he is up in 6mths then great our wage bill reduces even further...
shedboy2
02/01/2013 14:39:00
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we should have triggered the release clause on demba,this guy is an out and out finisher,surely at 8-10million
ghulamville
02/01/2013 14:40:00
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OX... Livermore is from a family well know in Enfield / N London... I lived in Enfield many years and know his dad and uncle..They are not guys who u want to take liberties with...
Block D Spurs
02/01/2013 14:45:00
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If as seems likely, we intend to continue to avoid paying out "proper" money in the transfer market, on proven established quality, usually foreign players, then perhaps we should look at the other area where we get significantly left behind, that is picking up quality players from outside the PL. I know we have had our occasional successes like Walker, Naughton, Rose, and longer ago Lennon, Bale and Huddlestone but recently there have several players who are looking the business who we missed out on, or perhaps didn't even bother pursueing. The likes of Stirling, Oxade-Chamberlain, Moses, even Jordan Rhodes, and soon Zaha have been there for all to see, and by us totally ignored. In addition there are the cheapies that get picked up abroad by others like Ba, Cisse, Jelavic (scotland), Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Odemwinge, Mutu etc. etc. The last one we found was BAE but since then we have gone to sleep, content to make excuses as to why we can't sign the "top dollar" players who all want to go somewhere else, for top money and trophies. What does our scouting network do. The players we chase are on the back pages of every paper in Europe, no surprise we miss out on most of them.
Frank
02/01/2013 14:46:00
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If as seems likely, we intend to continue to avoid paying out "proper" money in the transfer market, on proven established quality, usually foreign players, then perhaps we should look at the other area where we get significantly left behind, that is picking up quality players from outside the PL. I know we have had our occasional successes like Walker, Naughton, Rose, and longer ago Lennon, Bale and Huddlestone but recently there have several players who are looking the business who we missed out on, or perhaps didn't even bother pursueing. The likes of Stirling, Oxade-Chamberlain, Moses, even Jordan Rhodes, and soon Zaha have been there for all to see, and by us totally ignored. In addition there are the cheapies that get picked up abroad by others like Ba, Cisse, Jelavic (scotland), Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Odemwinge, Mutu etc. etc. The last one we found was BAE but since then we have gone to sleep, content to make excuses as to why we can't sign the "top dollar" players who all want to go somewhere else, for top money and trophies. What does our scouting network do. The players we chase are on the back pages of every paper in Europe, no surprise we miss out on most of them.
Frank
02/01/2013 14:46:00
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Ba's off to Chelsea, Sturridge to 'pool....looks like some clubs can do business early...
shedboy2
02/01/2013 14:49:00
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Sorry about the double post, bloody laptop suddenly that slow I thought it hadn't responded.
Frank
02/01/2013 14:49:00
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Bid in for David Villa apparently! Cant see that one at all. 30+ years old on about 170k a week. Gonna be a lot of these "rumours" flying around! Dont you love silly season lol
hudderspur
02/01/2013 14:51:00
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Why would we want David Villa, massive wages and perhaps not the player he was before breaking his leg? If he was he would be in Barca XI.
Frank
02/01/2013 15:02:00
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Hudd, love it. Muttley great post. Jod, surely by giving players away means you will save. 2 examples, Jenas, loaned to Forest, they paid £15k a week. Gomes, could have been given away but Levy wanted a price.
RAF Yid
02/01/2013 15:05:00
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Gutted about V.D.V & his marriage split . A slap doesn`t get you divorced so it must have been on the cards .
Massive respect for V.D.V for what he did at Spurs & hope him & the missus can get back together .Always under the impression he left Spurs to make her happy but still was not enough
big cockeral
02/01/2013 15:06:00
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sturridge signs now,another we could have got,the only player who avb got a tune out of
ghulamville
02/01/2013 15:06:00
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big cockeral, agree. Top guy, and incident sounds totally out of character.
Tactically Challenge
02/01/2013 15:13:00
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Tactically Challenge +1

Why do people rave about Daniel Sturridge ? Spurs fans will be well chuffed we missed out on him in a couple of seasons ,one of AVB`s biggest faults at Chelsea was standing by him ,& Meireles .
Theres no I in T.E.A.M & we need team players .Sell Adebayor & bring in 2 strikers & a winger to compete with the brilliant Bale & the improving Lennon (keep it going ) . Competition is good & the bench is a little weak
big cockeral
02/01/2013 15:20:00
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What about Sandro, Frank? Falque? Coulibaly? Ceballos? Prehaps if we gave our own youth a chance they could prove to be the diamond in the rough you're looking for? The problem is if we give one of our youngsters a start and he doesn't perform miracles in his first couple of games our "fans" start screaming about running them out of the club! Forget about gazing at the far away hills of the championship and cast an eye over our NexGen team.
Slurms McKenzie
02/01/2013 15:33:00
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Happy New Year Folks. Just a few comments. Thanks again Ox for a well-run site and thanks to all the contributors of articles and opinions. Always interesting reading.

On loans, I agree that both Livermore and Carroll would benefit from PL loans, but then arn't we limited to 2 players bein loaned out? I do not see Kane or Rose comng back or being sold, so loans will be pretty tough.

Bringing in Moutinho (who I don't think we need and if there is truth to the Holtby rumours, there is no need at all) would most certainly mean that Parker would have to go. I can't recall how many more years Parker has on his deal, but I do know he came to play. I don't see how he pushes Sandro or Dembele out of the lineup. If he's happy being a sub, I suppose it's ok, though it is a very expensive sub and he really is not suited to replacing Dembele as he does not push the ball forward. Hudd needs to go as it seems he will not get sufficient time unless there are massive injuries and, if that is the case, I'd much prefer to see Carroll out there than Hudd. I like Hudd, but I do not see how he will play at his best if he is not playing everyday. His talent has been surpassed by those around him, so he can only hope to be a bit player and that will see his career go down the toilet.

Gallas is just not up to it. Sell him, or let him go. As I understand it, he is on a year to year basis anyway. Just having his wages off the payroll would be a huge help. Dawson, IMO, has done everything I would expect from a number 4 CB. Been solid when called upon and remains very powerful in the air. If we bring in a player like Vanderweirald, fine, he can go, but if it's to be our number 4 CB, a more professional player you will not find.

Gomes and Bentley have been out of the squad for too long. Gomes has said he wants to go back to Brazil once his contract is up, so he'll be gone in 18 months. Bentley will be gone at season's end. If either can be moved now, great. Further wages off the payroll. Jenas, moved is best, but if not and the loan in the Championship can continue, that's fine. I believe he too is gone in 18 months.

Striker, for me, remains, by far, the largest issue. Nothing I have seen suggests that Defoe plays well alongside Ade or Dempsey and while Defoe's numbers are the same as always, Adebayor and Dempsey are both drastically diminished when out with Defoe, whether 4-5-1 or 4-4-2. Don't see much suggesting that Sigurdsson behind Defoe would work either. My largest worry is that we may well be handcufed by the contracts that Adebayor and Dempsey have and still believe that Defoe is best used as an impact sub. I'd really like to see Adebayor tucked just behind Dempsey in a 4-4-2. Let Adebayor be the hold-up guy and let Dempsey try to get on the end of crosses and work with Adebayor to clog up the middle allowing Bale and Lennon more room out wide.

Get Leandro, Willian and Holtby and we may well become one of the best attacking clubs in the premiership. I already believe we are well on the way to being one of the better defensive teams in the PL and we have been missing Parker, Kaboul, BAE and weren't playing Lloris. Let's keep it going. Onward and upward. The Future is Bright, the Future is Lillywhite. COYS
peterballb
02/01/2013 15:38:00
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WoW !!.....Real Madrids poor showing, so far, in their domestic league........could well trigger a merry go round in the jan' transfer window. Yes, we have talented youth, hence signing someone like sneijder would, i feel, be a kick in the teeth to the next gen'. I can see cellabos and coulibaly..appearing for the spurs first team next season, occaisionally. Deadwood out......new striker in...please.
82spursdebut
02/01/2013 15:44:00
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