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Queens Park Rangers vs. Tottenham Hotspur.

Or should we say, Harry Redknapp against Andre Villas-Boas?

So much of the media hype about this game is based on the two managers and their relationship and Harry's departure in the summer, and I have to admit it makes this so much more than a run of the mill London derby between in-form and struggling clubs, and makes it personal and a game all the better for any simmering friction, media hyped or not. No doubt Daniel Levy will be desperate for not only three points, but also added justification (if he still needs any) at his sacking of a very successful manager to bring in AVB, an appointment surrounded by major question marks.

Anyway, enough of the managerial issues and back to what really matters for both teams and that is 3 points. Both want them desperately for contrasting reasons. Spurs will see this as a great chance to score points when their rivals face each other. Obviously Sunday will be huge with Man Utd v Liverpool and Arsenal against City, but Everton at home to a boyant Swansea will be a game that I would pay to watch and will certainly be a tough and losable fixture for David Moyes and his team.

QPR have a desperate need for points. Though I have a feeling that 40 points may not be the required total at the end of the season, potentially Harry somehow needs to coax 27+ points from seventeen remaining games and despite an unlikely win at Stamford Bridge, it is difficult to see that happening and they may have to rely on others capitulating for any hope of survival.

Spurs are in excellent form, but it is clear they need to continue winning games to maintain their slim advantage over their rivals in the fight for a top four place. But with players returning from long term injury and only Younes Kaboul remaining out and William Gallas still supposedly struggling with a calf injury, AVB has a full squad to call upon, though assuming he doesn't again change his mind, this will be Emmanuel Adebayor's last game for a few weeks as he flies out for the ACoN tournament after the game.

Whether AVB will stick close to the team selection of recent weeks, I have no idea, though with BAE back, will we see his return at LB, which I believe will add greater balance, but then who plays on the right? Walker was in need of a break in my opinion, but would we be shocked to see Naughton retained for one more game at least? In the middle, has Dawson overtaken Caulker to partner Vertonghen?

In the middle, has Scott Parker done enough to retain his place, or are we now seeing Sandro and Dembele as the preferred pairing? For me, Parker adds experience, control and leadership in the middle, but fitting him in, is very difficult, based on the quality and form of the others. I would be surprised to see anything other than Lennon and Bale be selected wide to terrorise the QPR defence, but what about in attack. Is this a final game to rest Defoe before a long run of games, or do we simply play him because he is the best available. If so, does he play with Adebayor or the inform Dempsey?

This season in the Prem, QPR have only managed to beat an out of form Fulham at home, losing five of their ten games. Certainly not form to worry anyone, especially a team that won six of their ten away games (losing four). Whether they can build on their victory over Chelsea will be the big question, however it was obvious to anyone watching that they got lucky, and parking the bus at home is always much harder to do psychologically and physically, as the away side are often happy to let the home team take the initiative, so I feel that Spurs need to just worry about their own game to get the right result, but as has been the case before, would we be shocked to see Adel Taarabt have a moment of magic reserved for his former club?...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Friday January 11 2013

Time: 1:51PM

Your Comments

COYMFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JattYid
Wana see the Arry twitch in overdrive come 2.30pm 4.0 down against his former employers as Lennon rips Arry a new one! trrrrific!
JattYid
we need to buy a stricker, if we dont shame on levy an avb SETTIN US BACK AND IT WILL AN PROB BACK FIRE ON US
123spurs
123, though I agree we could do with another striker, lets not panic buy and regret it. I want the right player and one that will be with us for the long term, not another stop gap who is just with us for the money or as a stepping stone
oxfordspur
we never invested after getting CL last time and now we have a chance of getting it this time. what are our scouts doing.
123spurs
back AVB an take a hit now an see the benifits in CL next season for us.
123spurs
big game for us, need to win with Man U up the week after and realistically we probably wont win that one. Makes this one all the more important.
jimmy-yid
With out a doubt Defoe up front, especially after the way Harry treated him. Dempsey behind Defoe as Adebayor is in no form at all. Dembele and Sandro in the middle, Sandro also has a point to prove to Harry. Lennon, another Harry upset and Bale on the wings. Walker Caulker, Vertonghen and Either BAE or Naughton at the back, along with Lloris in goal and you have a starting XI that Redknapp either ostracised or hasn't really managed at Spurs. Nice and easy 3 points for us tomorrow, 3-0 or 4-1
thfc1882whl
big game yes, we are great away, take away harry factor, 3rd v bottom
123spurs
thfc1882 - Ade may struggle to make the kick off as he is in Africa!!!
woodyn17
no we should not say that Ox, This is the bottom of the league against the team sitting 3rd the team in 3rd must be looking for a win and nothing else, just like both the manchester clubs and chelsea would be
tophobunty
Looking forward to this game, Defoe is deadly against the weaker teams so the striker issue is not relevant here, what abou a short term fix Ox? Someone like kenwyne jones, not great but a reliable prem striker strong quick and can bring others into the game and would do a lot better with bale and Lennon providing. 6 million and easily re sold. A short term solution maybe?
spurticus87
woodyn17..... Problem solved then mate. Thought I'd seen somewhere that he had changed his mind again, might have been in a nightmare though!
thfc1882whl
OMG; It never stops, does it linked with South Korean Heung Min Son is primarily a right sided attacker but can play across the front, giving him versatility plays at Hamburg. Next we will get linked with YuPak MeiSue Case, he works at Shanghai Hongqiao International Airport
spu 4 life
How ironic that Loftus Road is sponsored by cargiant, Redknap'll never be short of a window to give a press conference from!
thfc1882whl
I'd start Ade up top with Gylfi in behind, Lennon right, Bale left, Sandro and Dembele in the middle, BAE LB, Verts, Daws (AVB doesn't seem to play Caulker at RCB?) Walker (his extra pace to cover for Daws just pipped Naughton for me)...we'll soon see what Ade's mindset is like if he really plays hard and then gets a strain we'll know he's not going to ACN...Defoe and Dempsey able to come on depending if we need a goal ... OX- yes let's mull over our striking options for another year and watch the ones we decide are right for us join other clubs...ps who decided Ade was right long term for us???
shedboy2
from my daughter: 6:0 defoe ade both hat tricks. done.
SpursWho
Jeez guys! 3-0, 4-0….its gonna be a lot closer than that. Harry will fire his boys up for this one. Yeah on paper we should walk it but we all know paper means nothing. We need bale, lennon and defoe to boss this. Im not overly concerned about their attack but if they defend to the death there’s always a chance thye could pull a goal back or even open the scoring in 80+ mins. We need to take our chance. If defoes gonna need 6 chances for 1 goal its not gonna be a good afternoon. WELL Done to AVB for getting manager of the month, now the board need to back him in this window. We don’t seem any closer to getting the striker we so badly need. There are plenty of players who are reachable in this window who would add quality to the ranks.
hudderspur
hudderspur..... There are also plenty on our side with points to prove mate, not least our manager.
thfc1882whl
A few selection dilemmas for this one ! I'd be going with Lloris,Dawson,Caulker,Vertonghen, Lennon,Sandro,Dembele,Bale, Dempsey,Siggurdsen. Subs:Friedel,Walker,Ekotto,Parker,Townsend,Defoe,O'Bika... I'd be letting Adebayor have his time away, undisturbed, Hopeing he comes back inform and refreshed. "rollercoaster"...but 2-1 win.........."come on you spurs"
82spursdebut
Does anyone know if Adebayor is back in London at the moment? If he isn't is that because he's chosen not to come back or because he's been told he isn't needed tomorrow? If he is available then he can warm the bench and get the last 30 minutes if needed.
SpuriousLife
OOps !...add Naughton, at right back.
82spursdebut
My word a match that has all the ingredients to get noticed everywhere.

DOPE v Media Darling
Media (pro Arry) v Media (Anti AVB)
Big Dossier + Calculator v Master Tactician (NOT!)
Arry v Levy
Lennon v Arry
Defoe v Arry

Also be interesting to see if QPR capitulate in the 2nd half of the season as Spurs did under Arry. COYS!
Critical_Spur
It will only be a blowout if we score a couple early. If we don't this will be a close one. QPR will be up for Harry and for Nelsen, so there will be nothing easy about this. QPR absolutely need points. 10 or 11 wins from their last 17 will be a monumental task which only gerts harder if they lose this one. As I recall, their home schedule also sees them playing most of the top teams, so they really are up against it. Surely Dempsey has to feature as his form has been steadily improving. AVB should start his best XI to get a result at Loftus road and will be sure to make sure that BAE and Parker get more game time. Focus is the key. 3 points a must so as to heap on further pressure on to all those in the hunt for the CL positions. COYS
peterballb
I understood that Ade was available for the match. COYS
peterballb
Sobe a great capture. He offers wing a striker cover/option. He is fast and is a technically sound player. He also opens up a few merchandising doors whih should sit well with Levy.

I also hear that Hooper will be available once they get Mitroglou. Here's a suggestion. Go for Mitroglou (3M Euros max). In my books, he's the better player and striker of the two. COYS
peterballb
Critical-so they're basically going to continue like the first half capitulation! ;)
miamispur
Adebayor goes to Africa after the match, no?
Total knobhead
mitroglou.....think he would get homesick.
82spursdebut
Spu4..thanks for taking the doom out of this, very funny...takes my award for funniest post since someone posted that twitchy face video of harry the pikey last season
tophobunty
fantastic news that AVB is manager of the month.this is a confidence booster that SHOULD fire us to to a win tomorrow.having said that, unless we go for the jugular from kick-off we may make it hard for ourselves.harry is a wily old dog and he will probably set up his team the same way he did against the chavs,i.e. park the bus and wait for a lucky break.we have no divine right to win a match just by turning up,we have to go and win it.this is where chelsea came unstuck.if our defoe can find his mis-placed scoring boots and lennon and bale are firing then it SHOULD be a walk in the park......in the immortal words of kevin keegan, "i'd love it if we beat them".harry took us to dizzying height of CL football and i,for one,am incredibly grateful to him for this but he urinated on his own bonfire and it all came crashing down within 6-8 months.'Arry now says that its not about revenge but while he was sat at home watching 'corrie' with sandra during the summer and autumn,he did make some crass comments about "70 page dossiers" and "baffling players with bull5hi7".also his recent 'dope' comment,even though he say it was taken out of context,sounds like sour grapes to me.so i'm not 100% sold on this recent u-turn of his....lets get at them early and make 'arry twitch for the remaining 60 min......COYS!!!
g. roberts testes
was Meryl Streep in Out of Arfica?
tophobunty
while i am on the subject i think all liverpool supports arfica
tophobunty
COYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HuddersfieldYiddo
I would personally expect Ade to be omitted from this fixture. He'd probably have his mind on the ACN and packing his baggage!. Don't think QPR offer much in the way of aerial threat. Defoe and Dempsey for m. Sandro and Dembele to control the midfield. Parker to stabilise things late on. If Dawson/Hudds earmarked for a move then they may not even be in the squad.....there should be clues to this tomorrow.
Critical_Spur
TAX AVOIDER V TAX PAYER
big cockeral
off topic,very sorry!if ade can't make up his mind whether he is playing for his national team or not,how can we trust him up front?the latest saga is about team sheets and certain players being left out.is he managing togo now?i know he's the captain but he is a disruptive influence to his national squad......give him a rope and he thinks he's a cowboy.i would have him psychologically tested because he seem mentally flawed.sad but true.
g. roberts testes
I understand why people here have reservations about this game but in my opinion we are a massively different animal under AVB than we have been for years. There is a huge difference in approach and attitude under AVB, far more clinical/professional than we've seen for decades. I truly believe that AVB is installing a winning mentality right through the club and can only see us becoming more ruthless as the players become more comfortable with our system and their roles within it. AVB now has us winning the games we should win, sure we need a couple of players to ensure a top 4 finish but that's Levys responsibility so I expect to be let down yet again. Even if there is little in the score tomorrow, the gulf in class will be immense. Can't see anything other than a Spurs win tomorrow and a big one at that.
thfc1882whl
82spursdebut, why would Mitroglou become homesick in England and not in Scotland? He's not a 19 year old kid. He's been a professional for years and plays for one of the largest football clubs in Greece. For 3M Euros, hs whole family can come. Bless. Homesick. What next, he wont like the Spanakopita. The boy can score and he has looked completely in his element in the CL. Him and Son, less that 10M and merchandising in a few more markets. COYS
peterballb
Lloris Naughton Dawson/Caulker Vertongen BAE Lennon Sandro Dembele Bale Dempsey Defoe Drop Adebayor and Walker: the former is out of form and not fit, the latter makes too many mistakes, unreliable and useless going forward (whatever happened to him - his head is not in the right place - liability in virtually every game this season).
Moscovite
Moscow, i am up for Naughton over Walker for a coupe of games see where it takes us
tophobunty
thfc1882whl, you are correct, but then Chelsea and Benitez thought th same. I believe there is a game plan that can bring 3 points in every game. There is also lady luck. I would mark Taraabt out of the game. That's the best way to limit what QPR can have. Bale, Lennon, Dempsey are all firing and our back seven are fantastic. Don't concede and we will win this one. We'll get plenty of chances. We just need players to convert them. COYS
peterballb
REPORTS linking Spurs with 2 Korean strikers --
One is called Heung-Min Son
The other less known is ,Getin there Son
big cockeral
don't concede and we shouldnt lose this one.... like to see Dempsey in for either Ade or Defoe. Sandro is the fly in the ointment but hopefully better partner for Dumbo comes in the summer, hopefully Parky plays more til then..
Viyyash-Ramosh
Would Ade being trying NOT to get injured for the ACON, if so then he shouldn't feature but how will we know?? Lloris...Walker...Dawson...Vertonghen...BAE...Lennon...Sandro...Dembele...Bale...Siggy....Dempsey
yiddyboy
bigcock.... you forgot Wun Long-Don, Let Wun-Goe and Wun Long-Pong
Viyyash-Ramosh
peterballb.... What's going on mate, we're agreeing again, that's twice now! One of us must be mellowing ;-)
Seriously though, the Chelsea result was their equivalent of the NLD and blue moons don't come along that often. Chelsea are all over the place at the minute and can be as brilliant as they can be poor. Of course I'll be a bag of nerves until the game takes shape, but once we're 10 minutes in we'll all see that there's only going to be one winner. COYS
thfc1882whl
I heard we're chasing another US international striker, Cameroon born Assou Mda-Pottsishen.

Spuds-U-Like
Viyyash-Ramosh HA HA ,well funny .

Just noticed that SPURS V Leeds or Birmingham in the FA Cup 3rd round will be shown on the telly .Lovely jubbly
big cockeral
Forget about the off pitch issues its all about in play action. Pick the best team available, no need to rest or rotate (we had that last weeekend and there´s no match for 8 whole days), so simply play our strongest eleven now and again next weekend against United. That obviously means that even if Ade does yet another UTurn he does not get to start tomorrow. Play Dembele in a more forward position behind Defoe, Bale and Lennon out wide, Scotty and The Beast dominating the midfield, So it is only in defence that key decisions need to be ade and they are quite tight because all the players are so good and playing so well. Obviously big JV has to start, but alongside either Caulker or Dawson (both equal in my opinion at the mo) with only other issues being whether BAE is fit enough to play and then whether Naughton is a better option at RB than Walker. Personally would go with the experience of Dawson, Walker and BAE - provided he is fit, keeping youth in the shape of Caulker and Naughton on the bench. And remember this isn´t just the side to take on and beat Rangers its the side to take on and defeat United as well.
Graeme in Spain
Good point yiddyboy re Ade not wanting to get injured. Also, just as much as AVB would've preferred him to stay here, I guess the Togo manager would want him to save himself for the ANC. As per my previous thought, I'd be leaving him out....late sub perhaps.
Critical_Spur
thfc1882whl, yes, you are coming around. As for the Chelsea result, Chelsea came out expecting it to be easy. They controlled the game but lacked that little bit of sharpness and bite. It cost them. We need to be on them like a pack of dogs and bury our early chances. Demoralize them and put it out of reach. Frustrate Taraabt and the middle of the park will be ours. We win on the flanks on talent alone. It would be nice to see a striker get on the end of some crosses (here's where you can disagree), so I would start Dempsey up top of Adebayor. This is a must win game. We need to keep the pressure on all of those around us and they all have really tough fixtures this weekend. Professional focused performance is what is on order here. COYS
peterballb
Yup BIgC pretty much every game of us ours now for next 6 weeks is on tv other Norwich away i think
JattYid
Dempsey must play and possibly start Scotty instead of Sandro. I'd understood he's been carrying a calf injury for a while and this is a chance to let it mend. Ade up front if his mind's in gear with JD benched. It was the loss to QPR back to back with Norwich last year that really did for us and with MU ahead too this is a critical few weeks.
Love totty
after harry's personal jibes against AVB I really hope we thrash them tomorrow. problem is they are better than their position suggests and the last time we played them they were unlucky not to get anything from the game. Early goals and get them disheartened then we can run away with it, otherwise this could be a tense affair. absolute must win game for us though with united coming up.
Guernman
Judging to AVB´s last team selections, he´ll probably keep the XI that has been playing. My only doubt would be about palying Ade or not. If he picks Ade up in his 4-4-2 set, Lloris-Walker-Dawson-Verts-Naughton-Sandro-Dembele-Lennon-Bale-Ade-Defoe. If he is going 4-4-1-1, then everything the same till "Bale", complemented by Dempsey-Defoe. Scott, Ekotto, Siggs all likely to configure a strong bench, needed to either hold a result or turn a bad one into a win.
AlexSpur
Defoe will be looking to hurt Harry badly I expect a big game from him, Sandro also. If QPR win this it will be a HUGE HUGE kick in the teeth worse than any this season, the players and AVB know this I expect a professional dominant preformance, we are up for this BIG TIME!
ledgespur
with all the hype about being in third spot and MOM awards, we must not lose sight of the fact that we are not killing teams off yet. In Cisse and Taraabt, QPR have players who can hurt us. They stood up well to the Chavs pressure so easy it will not be.
Love totty
Must admit i'm really looking forward to this one. I also think it will be a tight encounter but i'll go for a 2-1 Spurs win to keep the momentum going into the utd game. Sandro should get a couple of meaty challenges into taarabt early on & I would'nt think the circus clown will want to know after that! As for Ade the club released a statement saying that he would be available for the QPR game before jetting of, but I think AVB should go for Dempsey & Defoe anyway as the former is finally starting to shine. COYS
WindowWonder
there are good reasons why each of strikers should play. ade brings the most ability wise and could be up for it to show we don't need to buy another striker in his absence, defoe does well against lesser teams and has a point to prove against harry while dempsey has gone from strength to strength of late, so i will leave it up to AVB
Guernman
Big C you have got your 3rd and 4th rounds in a mucking fuddle
spu 4 life
Get in there myson, classic mate lol
spu 4 life
yeah Sandro and his 'meaty' challenges.... the hallmark of a donkey who thinks he can play football. wonder how many minutes he plays without a yellow-card, any more than 15mins and I'll give him a clap.... any pleb can make meaty challenges, it doesnt take guts to steam in when your opponent has his eyes and mind on the ball. the trick is to do it fairly and pass it well if you win it.
Viyyash-Ramosh
What point does Defoe have to make to Harry? He isscoring .53 goals per 90 minutes this season in the PL. Last season, as an impact sub, he was scoring at a rate of .7 or more goals per 90 minutes on the pitch. Harry had Defoe as the preferred striker for over 2 years. He never made it his to lose. 2009/2010 - 10 goals by November 22 against Wigan and then he petered off the rest of the way and for the entire next season. This season has shown the same pattern. 14 goals in all competitions. 9 fom 4 games and 5 from the remaining 24. It's just the same old, same old. We need someone scoring, more or less, every time out there. COYS
peterballb
spu 4 life HA HA should have put next round :)
A rumour going around that Adebayor has managed to pi$$ off the Togo football federation (AGAIN).
And even some of his own teammates can`t stand him & want him out of the squad
big cockeral
Viyyash, comments like that make me wonder if you watch the games at all. Most of Sandro's "meaty" challenges are much more about his superior strength than anything else. He is neither dirty nor does he go barrelling in a la Palacios. he almost always gets the ball first. Now Parker, on the other hand, goes through the player, and were it not for his reputation, would receive cards-a-plenty. I recall the game where Parker went down and the offending CB was red carded (questionable last defender call). earlier in that same game Parker had lashed out at a player's achilles, from behind (on purpose as the replay clearly showed). It should have been a straight red. Sandro does get his timing wrong, here and there, but positionally he is sound, and IMO, is a far better footballer than Parker ever was. Parker is solid. Looks miles more effective with the ball under AVB, but as a tackler, he is quite rash, IMO. They both have the same effect though. Players tend to keep their heads up and dish the ball early. It's called bite. Dembele has quite a bit of that too. COYS
peterballb
Harry and Defoe do not like eachother so much anymore Peter, that was clear last season. So point to prove maybe but I expect Defoe thinks he can get a few in this fixture.
ledgespur
Ledge, that's just it. Defoe thinks he'll get lots in all fixtures. He doesn't though. 8 shots = 1 goal. COYS
peterballb
I am not the biggest Harry fan out there,but his use of efoe last year was spot on. Got the most out of his abilities (higher scoring rate than ever before) while not having a detrimental effect on the other goal scorers in the team(Ade, VDV, Bale all still ha good numbers). He is best suited to an impact sub. He has no chemistry with either of Ade or Dempsey. COYS
peterballb
First January in 4 years Defoe isn`t saying he wants out for regular football .
He needs to start hitting form again or he`ll be back on the bench & only have himself to blame .Hasn`t had a good game for a while now .
All entitled to bad games ,just don`t make it a trend .Adebayor started a new fashion his poor performing trend lasted so long .
big cockeral
"And even some of his own teammates can`t stand him & want him out of the squad"

No I think that's how you desperately wanted to read it, the reports say his teammates are also p***** off with the Togo football federation.
Guyver
This will be a difficult game. Redknapp is doing his usual, that is lowering expectations, like he’s done at every other club he’s managed, so that any success he has will be seen as a great accomplishment. E.g. he comes out with “ players on the bench are rubbish, this will be my greatest achievement if QPR stay up, the side is unbalanced, we have no strikers”. QPR have got a decent squad, he would not have accepted the job otherwise. Their squad is arguably better than Reading, Southampton, Villa, Wigan, Norwich, West Ham and probably even Newcastle with their current injuries, An average manager would have a reasonable chance of getting out of the bottom 3, but of course for a “fantastic football manager” it should be a piece of cake. Thank God he has nothing to do with our club any more
matt hoten
Guyver Wasn`t desperate just skipped through it ,you were right reading it again ,you made me curious .Not of any interest to me just worried he may be back sooner rather than later ,when in truth we`re better without him imo.
big cockeral
Hopefully this time Arry really can get upset if SAndro scores :) For me, it will be a tough away game, but I would fight fire with fire & use our added class to win. This means competing with them as they will be up for it. I would play Sandro & Parker and push Dempsey a little more forward in a 5 man midfield. Hope Lennon etall show Arry. COYS.
Windlespur
Omg Viyyash, are you making this stuff up? Sandro does not even have a reputation as being a dirty player, because he isn't. If there was one player i would want to make a last ditch tackle it would be Sandro. He is the best. When you are a defensive midfield, and your job is to win the ball, there are going to be some miss timed one's in there. Sandro is such a complete defensive midfielder it's unreal. As good as anyone imo.
asherthesmasher
Viyyash is on a wind up,the only other explanation is that he has never seen Sandro play.
matt hoten
Whatever you may think about Ade's performances we are winning with him in the team. It might not look pretty, but we need him. AVB would not have been so disappointed in him going if that was not the case. I doubt he will be back though. I am sure he will play for Togo.
asherthesmasher
I don't think you skipped through the text, it's those **** stained goggles you're always putting on before you read anything about Ade. Messes up your comprehension skills.
Guyver
Sandro has made more interceptions than any other PL player so far this season, nuff said.
TQ2Spurs
Sandro in 1 game. Only criticsm is that he occasionally tries Xavi type passes that go wrong, but overal he's a great player.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEnNWW0vdjQ
Guyver
asherthesmasher But we have big games to come ,you can only get away with missing cahnces like that against certain teams ,Villa ,Reading ,Sunderland etc are struggling .Apart from a fine victory at Old Trafford ,the big ones have outplayed us ,especially Arsenal & Chelsea .

Need better attacking options because the Goalkeeper ,defence ,Centre midfield & Bale the superstar on the left wing can`t do everything .
big cockeral
matt hoten, Amazing how Harry has lowered his standards/ambitions, if he ever had any. One would've though experiencing CL footy and almost clinching 3rd place with Spurs would've been his claim for life. England job of course would've been the galactical achievement for him, but seems saving a relegation threatened team is considered to be his epitaph!
Critical_Spur
Sandro is our unsung hero ,but he needs to stop his lunging & general clumsiness ,he`s due a red card .Brilliant player but needs to learn from Roy Keane the master ,he only did it to purposely hurt ,normally on some revenge trip Roy Keane in my top 10 of all time greatest ever players ,sheer class .
Sandro is in a very intelligent position ,a little wiser in decision making he could become one of the best .
big cockeral
"Sandro has made more interceptions than any other PL player so far this season, nuff said"

yep, way out in front with 74 interceptions, 2nd place Vertonghen and Chris Braid (Fulham) both on 56. But you don't need stats to tell you Sandro is a defensive machine.
Guyver
"Sandro has made more interceptions than any other PL player so far this season, 2nd place Vertonghen ,,, Defence best form of attack ?

How much longer can we keep leaving winning games down to our defence ?
big cockeral
For any that does not know it yet, we currently have the best central midfield partnership in the league. If we can add some better creativity around them, we are in for a treat. I would absolutely dread playing against Sandro and Dembele if i was a central midfielder in the premiership.
asherthesmasher
Second that Ashers, I bet Lloris, Jan, Gallas and Caulker would all say the same. Yes, Sandro has weaknesses but he is some athlete. COYS!
RAF Yid
I think we should start with a team with players who hasn't really played for 'arry before to stop QPR exploiting our weaknesses.

My pick tomorrow:

LLoris
Naughton, Caulker, Vertonghen, BAE
Sandro, Dembele
Lennon, Dempsey, Bale
Ade/Defoe

Thoughts?
taniban
Taniban, same with Defoe up front. One or two will want to show Harry he was wrong. Naughton deserves his chance, Caulker additional pace and Dempsey scoring. Ade's head is all over the shop and the latest is that he ain't going anymore. COYS!
RAF Yid
Sure Sandro has weaknesses, mainly he is not a great passer. He shouldn't need to be, but as i say we do lack creativity at times. taniban- I second that. I would play Ade. Think we might stick with 4-4-2 though.
asherthesmasher
BigC, this is form for Defoe. Scores a bunch her and there. Goes a long spell with very few goals and then scores a bunch and everyone hails him as the best pound for pound striker in the game. If only he didn't weigh half of any other striker. COYS
peterballb
You have to go with him tomorrow though Peter, he scores against the weaker teams. Who you going with?
RAF Yid
tan- I like the team...I would rest Defoe though...let's see what Ade is made of, it'd show us if he has a long term future with us or not...if he's shirking, take him him off put defoe on and Ade straight on the plane...
shedboy2
shedboy2 I agree with you almost each & everytime .
But peterballb is right & also

What are you resting Defoe for ? hasn`t put enough in lately to be rested
big cockeral
RAF, Dempsey up top of Adebayor. Defoe as sub to run at a tired defence Imagine if Defoe gets crocked and Adebayor is heading out. Also think the kick up the btt just might get Defoe to locate the nt a little more frequently. We need a proper striker. COYS
peterballb
I like Defoe, committed and a nice guy but exceptionally one dimensional, turn and shoot. Just not good enough for a club of our expectations. Having said that Defoe is very good against weaker opposition its when we play the top half of the league he struggles for goals.
spurticus87
Bigc- great minds and all that..;)...perhaps resting is the wrong word, protecting is more apt....say defoe gets taken out in a challenge or straight red...then we wave goodbye to Ade....we'd have the well practiced partnership of Gylfi and Dempsey up top...
shedboy2
Cant Lineker have a word to Daffy, attack space....., Bale to roam as AM? Now that he will be coached, not just told to run around aimlessly, specially if Dempsy/Benni cover LhS.
10iscoach
shedboy2 I`m hoping you`re very wrong & Levy unleashes a marquee signing in a name of a striker .

The best player in the EPL at the moment Suarez was bought in january ,so was Defoe himself ( who is always caught between his ego & his potential ,but never will be as good as he thinks he is )

Even reports of Huntelaar having a 15 million E get out clause .
The brilliant (IMO) Papi$$ Cisse was also bought in january
big cockeral
I would play 352. Lloris, Naughton caulker verts, Lennon Sandro Parker dembele bale, Defoe Dempsey. SUBS: freidel, walker, Dawson, siggy, BAE, Townsend and ade. COYS
tottingham10
January Transfer window is just as viable as the summer one. Prices are ridiculous regardless of the season. Only issue is any starters leaving need to be replaced and often there is nothing from within that would serve as appropriate replacement. If Hudd were to go to Fulham, I don't see as it stops us proceeding, business as usual. Now, for a player like Ade to be sold, lots of things have to happen first. Every team has surplus players, but generally, these are not the players other teams want. I have seen teams spend way too much in January, but then teams do the same in the summer. Levy tends not to overspend in either. If there's a deal to be had, it will be. Other than that, don't hold your breath. COYS
peterballb
Big C- I'm not saying we won't buy...just that it feels like we're being led up the garden path....and that a club our size should not have to rely on a striker like Defoe to play on his own...I see no reason why a deal can't be done in January...
shedboy2
just followed an article on Vital QPR, they seem terrified of Gazza, dont seem to feel they have the ability to keep Lennon quiet
10iscoach
Got my ticket for the school end on Saturday looking forward to seeing a controlled and professional demolition of QPR.....we may not win big but we will win.....too much quality on the pitch for QPR to handle......only thing to factor in is the Harry factor......Stamford Bridge???? ...Nah! he couldn't make it happen twice...could he? AVB's not going to get sucker punched like the fat spanish waiter did! AVB's too professional to allow that to happen isnt he? So no need for any sweaty palms here on VS ....the very idea of "H"putting one over AVB?...unthinkable! AVB is a tactical genious, "H" is just a one dimensional tactical joke with no Plan B....Nah! ....Spurs to win at a canter!......guaranteed 3 points for us......no contest!
OyVeh Maria
shedboy2 I know what you`re saying & in a worse case scenario ?

If Adebayor was in top form then it would not be so much an issue .But the fact he is so poor maybe we need a striker whether he went to Africa or not .
IMO ADE going to the ACON is a blessing in disguise ,getting top 4 is not going to handed to us ,3rd now but potentially ?
,br>Spurs have plenty of 6 pointers yet to come ,we haven`t played a 6 pointer for a while
big cockeral
With our seeming lack of strikers atm, or for rest of season (Ade pasenger), anyone think Bale will be encouraged to play as AM in the pocket behind Daffy, or as 2nd striker? i know Arry tried this, but then Bale was told o have an aimless run around, now with us having a coach to improve skills and apply Arrys favcuss word TACTICS, he may be able to play the role, ashe knows where back of net is. Demps/BAE to cover LHS, with Bale alternating posi wit Demps occasionally
10iscoach
123spurs If levy and ENIC won't let AVB buy a striker this window, how the hell is it shame on AVB. I am sure he said we don't need a striker partly because he already knew when he came here there wouldn't be a huge spend this window, and partly because he had to settle the players. It was a comment of diplomacy because he's hardly going to walk in the door and start shouting the odds about getting new players. He'd undermine the squad's confidence and put the board's back up. So best to play ball keep your head down and work on it from the inside nice and quietly. Softly softly catchee monkey, and that is what i think he is up to.
chrishove123
OVM - I sense a a little snipe at some of us here...

'arry has got an advantage over AVB in the sense that he will know our players' strengths and weaknesses after being our manager for 4 years.
'arry has also got less pressure on winning than AVB which will definitely play a big part on tomorrow.
QPR is also playing at home as well...

For me, it is definitely not a 'guaranteed' 3 pointer (NO GAME is in my opinion). Tactics and professionalism will only get a team so far... A lot will depend how much the players want it which is why I suggested in my earlier post players that have no allegiance to 'arry.

I just hope the players follow AVB's gameplan and see this game through. COYS
taniban
OyVeh, hope you enjoy the game tomorrow. By the way, which team are you supporting?
matt hoten
OyVeh, hope you enjoy the game tomorrow. By the way, which team are you supporting? +2
big cockeral
Must admit I'm worried about this game especially as AVB has just been voted manager of the month. Normally the manager ends up losing the next game and after QPR we've only got the easy man u next. I hope the award isn't followed by two defeats. Let's hope AVB is made of sterner stuff and we can win this game to keep the pressure on the teams around us especially as our next home game isn't going to be easy
In-spurs-ational
There are "upsets" every week. It is their home ground. There are the story lines that always accompany Harry and QPR will want to send off Nelsen with a win. It will not be easy. A focused, professional display and we win this 9 times out of 10. AVB will have the lads ready and so long as they don't come out flat, we'll be putting pressure on all those around us in the table.

BUT, there are no guarantees. It's why I am happy to have a manager who is showing he can affect a game at half time. That is good. It is also good that many in the side havebeen part of the collapse the past two years. There are also players who have played in the CL and want to do it again. We have a young squad, but there is a great deal of experience in our squad. I think it's a shame though that the media have decided to turn this in to a Harry versus AVB fight as opposed to two teams, who for their very different reasons, need three points.

Should be a cracker of a game. Oh Veh and the traveling support, have a great game. COYS
peterballb
Sorry BigC, disagree with this: "'arry has also got less pressure on winning than AVB".

He's fighting a relegation battle at a club where his so called man management has not worked so far. IMO, he is undera LOT of pressure after winning at Chelsea and wanting to put one over his previous employers. Having thrown jibes at AVB, he will be wanting to do all he can to try and get a result. However, if we win, I can't wait to hear his post match interview praising our team (HIS old team).....and still looking to take credit for Spurs' revolution!!
Critical_Spur
Critical_Spur Not me who said that & i agree with you .
That smug tw*t would love to win tomorrow because it`s all about him .
big cockeral
Critical_Spur..... His words will ring hollow if he does try and take credit for a Spurs win. There's a fair chance that the backbone of the team tomorrow will include players he either loaned out, ostracised through bad man management or hasn't even worked with. Quite apart from the fact that our style of play bares no resemblance to his Spurs teams, we're far more professional now and there's a steel creeping into our play that's been missing for years, decades even. The press'll lap it up though.
thfc1882whl
Hands up if the QPR Chelsea defeat has got you worried though ?
big cockeral
big c.... No hands up here mate, comfortable 3 points for us tomorrow.
thfc1882whl
Agreed guys and Sorry Big C if I misinterpreted your post :0)

He has recently said that Spurs have enough depth in the squad to put out TWO teams to challenge for top four. Shame he didn't kow how to maximise on that when he had the opp!. TBH, I think guy had it on a plate at Spurs which was the pinnacle of his career. I can just see him like Sam Allardice starting to re-work up the ladder from the Champioship League. Good luck to him, but he ain't getting any favours from us, cos we are tottenham, super tottenham, from the Lane!. COYS!
Critical_Spur
I think it's time we all stop throwing blame about for the striker situation. Reality is, most players out there aren't good enough to come in to this squad, and even fewer would be good fits. The coach and Levy have to be on the same page. Levy will not give the coach a player he doesn't want. Coaches want certain players. I never believed that Harry and Levy were ever in sync on what the team needed. Sandro, Walker, Naughton were all great buys but they weren't being bought to step in to the first team. Friedel, Bassong, Saha, Nelsen, Kranjcar, Kaboul, Defoe, Keane, VDV, Crouch, Chimbonda, Gudjohnsson, Ade, Pienaar, Parker were all guys who we were familiar with or who were deemed to be a really good deal. We all know Harry wanted Ferdinand, Forlan, Cole, Neville et al but these deals never materialised because the transfer cost (or wages) was too high. I believe AVB has targets. I believe there is a plan. I don't think that a good deal would not be considered, but if we value Negredo at 12M and they want 18M, I don't suspect as he will be coming round the mountain when she comes. Fryers was always part of the plan. So is Willian and Moutinho. I doubt Holtby was, but now he is (free is free). That will perhaps change the details of the plan, but not the plan. I do believe AVB feels that Defoe, Dempsey and Adebayor is enough, if it has to be. Adebayor (33 apps 18 goals and 12 assists), Dempsey (46 apps, 23 goals and 6 assists) and DEfoe (39 apps, 17 goals and 7 assists) were on the scoresheet plenty last year and any repeat of that, supplemented by Bale, Lennon, Sigurdsson etc, would have to be seen as enough to be in the conversation for top 4. Ade has not yet hit any form. Dempsey is coming around and Defoe is currently in the toilet. Perhaps it is to be like 2009/2010 where one striker would lift off after another crashd to earth. If all three contribute the rest of the way, as we all know they can, we will be fine. Doesn't mean if we can get Son at 8M that we don't do it. Willian is in the CL, so coming before the summer is unlikely. Negredo at 14M, perhaps. Who not add Son and Dzagoev, wipe hands and be done with it.

Just let's wait and see what develops. AVB is saying we have enough. I'd like more, but I can see the argument for saying we potentially have enough in house already. COYS
peterballb
Who cares what Harry says? Let him take credit all he wants. Lloris, Walker or Naughton, Dawson or Caulker, Vertonghen, BAE, Sandro, Dembele (Parker), Bale, Lennon, Defoe, Dempsey (Ade). That's the team I expect AVB to field. Other than Parker and at a stretch Adebayor, all of these players were recruited by other managers or were brought in as developmental players. Nothing to take credit for. Tomorrows game will be played on the pitch. The glory will be in the three points. Whichever "team" walks awa with the three points will have helped their cause immensely. COYS
peterballb
Harry and the media will either lap it up or twist it to suit their ego's. Tomorrow is a big story time. If AVB and the lad remain professional, then in deed who cares what is said/written by any body. It's the result that counts and I expet the boys to deliver. COYS!
Critical_Spur
I like many of you am approaching this game with some trepidation but with the quality, comraderie and form that we currently have, we should bag all 3 points. COME ON YOU SPURS and WIN WIN WIN :-)
Madaboutspurs
3 points tomorrow for Spurs is all that matters. Huge game for the effect it could have on all of the other matches. This time of year is all about pressure. The more you cast off you shoulders and throw on to others, the better. Focus and be professional. COYS
peterballb
Mad, you are up rather early today. COYS
peterballb
You being from Down Under, have you had occasion to see much of Heung-Min Son? COYS
peterballb
Viyyash-Ramosh - go and troll around somewhere else if you are going to insult our players. Vital Arse Members League 1. Amos. 94 2. Rocky7 67 3. shewore 65 4. Wyn Mills 41 5. prits 22 6. FunGunner 19 7. Viyyash-Ramosh 17 8. Sajit 16 9. Naijagunner 12 10. Arsenales F.C 11 Read more: http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/#ixzz2Hi2Uzoxw
Cairnside Spur
Weather the storm and then hit them for the first goal. I generally believe we will have enough for them, they need 3pts, 1 is not enough. If we can get the first, I think we will win. Harry will have them fired up, good manager or not, he will get them up for it. Hit them on the break, 1-4 to the Yids!
RAF Yid
Hello peter, it is now almost 10 am in Melbourne. Must be daylight savings in Melbourne making you think I'm up early. Hope we win tonight . COYS
Madaboutspurs
It just dawned on me. Viyyash is not a Spurs supporter. I don't mean to be disrespectful because i think his comments are pathetic. He supports one of our rivals. I am sure of it. What a loser.
asherthesmasher
Nope , don't know who Mr Son is but I'd take any AM or striker this window that AVB thinks will strengthen us. I can tell from your recent posts that you are currently relatively contented with how we are with AVB at the helm. Happy Days :-)
Madaboutspurs
Cairnade Spur. Well done. Yes, he is a scum fan. I knew he was on the wind up.
asherthesmasher
"yeah Sandro and his 'meaty' challenges.... the hallmark of a donkey who thinks he can play football. wonder how many minutes he plays without a yellow-card, any more than 15mins and I'll give him a clap.... any pleb can make meaty challenges, it doesnt take guts to steam in when your opponent has his eyes and mind on the ball. the trick is to do it fairly and pass it well if you win it," Viyyash-Ramosh

I cannot help but add my response to the responses already made by others. VR, what are you up to,man? I can only assume that you are not a Spurs supporter and you like to come on here to do the old wind up, or you're so detached from the world most of us live in that you are the reincarnation of a Stoic Sage. You have the art of the wind up to a science. Sandro as a donkey. lol. It's gotten to the point that when I see your name at the end of a comment, I start to laugh before I even read the comment.

Total knobhead
Be interested to see if AVB throws known quantities at Arry or uses the new boys, lets see, Hey heres a thought, swap Lennon and Bale they'll never see THAT one coming!!! And from an Aussie point of view loving the start time! 3-1 and Defoe to have a blinder.
Underspur
"yeah Sandro and his 'meaty' challenges.... the hallmark of a donkey who thinks he can play football. wonder how many minutes he plays without a yellow-card, any more than 15mins and I'll give him a clap.... any pleb can make meaty challenges, it doesnt take guts to steam in when your opponent has his eyes and mind on the ball. the trick is to do it fairly and pass it well if you win it," Viyyash-Ramosh

I cannot help but add my response to the responses already made by others. VR, what are you up to,man? I can only assume that you are not a Spurs supporter and you like to come on here to do the old wind up, or you're so detached from the world most of us live in that you are the reincarnation of a Stoic Sage. You have the art of the wind up to a science. Sandro as a donkey. lol. It's gotten to the point that when I see your name at the end of a comment, I start to laugh before I even read the comment.

Total knobhead
The occasional lose to a team like Wigan can be forgiven, but to fail to take all three points tomorrow would be too much to take. Come on you Spurs. Win this one so that Falstaff can party tomorrow night.
Total knobhead
TK... Put the bunting up now mate, as close to a sure thing as you can get. Jeez
thfc1882whl
* continued* Jeez I'll have some words to eat if it all goes belly up!
thfc1882whl
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/premier-league/qpr-v-tottenham/winner
Match odds and I've never met a poor bookie
thfc1882whl
Does anyone know if Adebayor will or won´t travel to ACN ??
AlexSpur
Does anyone know if Adebayor will or won´t travel to ACN ??
AlexSpur
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s480x480/303548_484371961604460_1610965200_n.jpg
123spurs
123spur
One thing you never give an attention seeker ? Is attention
big cockeral
cuase surely chris, AVB can see we need a stricker. ade is gone for a few game an all we have is defoe
123spurs
stop talking about urself
123spurs
123spurs talking of 2 faced ,just 4 u
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f3_1247966779
big cockeral
Big C seems obsessed with people he calls attention seekers. He's referred to me as an attention seeker a couple of times when I've written things that didn't please him. Perhaps I shouldn't pay him any attention? lol.
Total knobhead
thfc1882whl, bookies don't set odds based on who they think will win, but by how people are betting. If too many people are betting on one team, the odds will be adjusted to get more betting on the other team. A bookie wants bets well spread between the two teams, adjusted for the odds, so that money will be made on the vigorish. If the odds are well set, won bets will be offset by lost bets and the bookie will rake in the vig. But when the odds are poorly set and too many bets are placed on one side, and that side wins, the bookie has to pay out more than gained in the vig. So, odds that favor the Spurs don't tell us who the bookie expects to win. Only tells us how the bookie expects the punters to behave.
Total knobhead
Sorry for that last post. I was just seeking attention. lol.
Total knobhead
No, wait, it was the earlier comment concerning Falstaff, Harry Hotspurs ethical mirror image, that was the attention seeking comment. lol'er.
Total knobhead
January is the month to be two faced, as it the month of the Roman god, Janus, who really had two faces. One faced towards the new year, and the other reflected back on the old. Kind of like the two managers at this week's mask, one facing the future and the other the face of the past. Saggy old past, it was. Young and vital future it is.
Total knobhead
Oh gods, stop me, I'm seeking yet again.
Total knobhead
"Hello Mcfly "
big cockeral
That should be, this week's match wears two masks, an old saggy one, and a new vital one...
Total knobhead
Ah, big C's here and still obsessed with "back to the future." another form of facing the future and the past at the same time. Thanks for the Janus reference Big C. Always knew you were filled with literary references. Kind of like Hotspur and Falstaff in Henry IV. Roots of THFC, indeed. I'd expect nothing less from someone who has such creative spelling of cockerel.
Total knobhead
so what do you think, C. Which of the managers at today's match is Hotspur and which is Falstaff? Which has the front face of Janus, and which the back face? And are you thrilled to see the backside of Adebayor for a few weeks?
Total knobhead
Or do you see Adebayor in our future?
Total knobhead
Silence. Either the greatest putdown or a lack of skill in repartee. Goodnight, Mcfly.
Total knobhead
TK, I was amused and again reminded that at this stage in my life, I have most certainly forgotten more than I recall. Janus, Falstaff and Hotspur. Wonderful stuff. COYS
peterballb
Hello Underspur. Good starting time for us indeed. I'll be sleeping well tonight after we bag those 3 points :-)
Madaboutspurs
Totally agree Mad need to pertition for it to happen more often. TK good to have you back and firing.
Underspur
123spurs Like I said I reckon it was more of a political/diplomatic statement to keep everyone happy. Of course he knows we need a striker, BUT as I said earlier he can't go in there shouting the odds as the new boy on the block, he has to play it cannily and I think he has so far. He will get his targets in the summer don't you worry, because by the summer other teams and their players will see how well he has done with what he has got now, will see the potential and want to come here for the glory and the money.
chrishove123
I get it that the majority adore Sandro's 'robustness' cos thats what fans like to see.... they don't tend to see the defficiencies as theyre so enamoured with the juicy tackling to nowhere (or rather freekicks conceded)... I liked Sandro when he 1st broke into the team and had great days at Inter and a few others, but he seems to have taken the easy path to popularity with the fanbase by being a caricature of his former self, or trying to be.... don't forget to cheer madly at his 1st tackle that probably will result in a freekick to the QPR today now..
Viyyash-Ramosh
HAHA Total Knobhead quality mate
HuddersfieldYiddo
VR - The games up, go do something else with your sad little life... vital arse must be a lot more ***** than I thought if it made you come here for company.
rahn DMC
Am I a little more worried about playing the bottom side than I would normally be. Yes, because I care and would hate to see the media attacks on avb if arry did win this one. However, what is great about avb is he seems to pick the right teams for the right opposition. As such, I wouldn't be surprised and would be happy if he played both sandro and Parker. Give us the fight to match them and push dembele a little more forward in a five man midfield. Big game today, good luck avb. Win, lose or draw - we back you, but if we lose, he will sadly get loads of crap again. Coys. P.s. all this talk of army's reception, quite frankly I do not care as he is the manager of the opposition today.
Windlespur
Yes, peterballb....lol...mitroglou....continues to look All Greek to me...lol The son chap for Hamburg...hmmm.....like i posted, we would sell more shirts, if we bought him. Think he would be a reasonable signing. I would take him over no striker at all, this window. "come on you spurs"....
82spursdebut
I like read post from Viyyash-Ramosh bout sandro, it read good not ave many sentence or make any sense, it look english but not sure maybe it in code you know dot dash, but dot dash they missing, it pretty good for arse fan write nice. thanx
spu 4 life
1. Amos. 95 2. Rocky7 67 3. shewore 66 4. Wyn Mills 41 5. prits 22 6. FunGunner 19 7. Viyyash-Ramosh 17 8. Sajit 16 9. Naijagunner 12 10. Arsenales F.C 11 Read more: http://www.arsenal.vitalfootball.co.uk/#ixzz2Hl3suIrU
spu 4 life
lol with spu 4 life.
thenuge
Well spotted, spu 4 life. We all knew the git, V-R, was a Gooner. Now you've spotted it with condemning evidence from Vital Gooners. V-R, you need to obtain another identity to pull off this sort of scam, lad, and to be less heavy handed about it. Infiltration is an art. One needs to enter like water, not like a sledge hammer, and to insinuate one's self into the smallest crevices.

Of course, you've now offered an invitation to true football aficionados to take on new identities that are not listed so obviously on the site of our team to go onto Vital Arse-nal por encher o saco, as they say in Brazilian slang, that is, to irritate completely. You'be been outed, lad, and it will never work here again. Big C will deliver the devastating "Hello Mcfly" to you. The magic words being spoken, you will vanish. A Gone Gooner. Don't look back, or like the wife of Lot, you will turn into a savory pillor, pillock.

Total knobhead
You can change your hair colour, you can put on sunglasses, maybe put on a hat, it never hides your finger prints or your DNA, In his case it never hides him from being a total (unt
spu 4 life
Viyyash is the biggest troll ever, thats why he's on there leaderboard. He's a Spurs fan. He's also a gonad
HuddersfieldYiddo
I expect the gooner infiltrator to come back to our site with a new identity. Maybe he'll show up as Jebi-se Spursi, in honour of our member emeritis, coopsie. Or perhaps he'll become Veliki Sarkastičan Penisa in response to being greeted sarcastically with "hello Mcfly." Perhaps I'll take on a new identity as a Gooner to go onto Vital Arse-nal. I could become Meta Knobhead as I defend Arsene W@nker for leading the gooners into mediocrity.
Total knobhead
Damn technology. The site can't deal with Croatian diacritic markers. Taking out the diacritic marker, the name is reduced to:

Veliki sarkastican penisa, which loses the flavor of the spoof, I'm afraid. Big Sarcastic All-cock.

Total knobhead
No need to worry about AVB's comments on our need for a striker. In the summer he said quite firmly that we weren't in for Lloris as we already had 3 GK of immense dimension & he also said we wouldn't be doing anything on deadline day & guess what? He lied! Get used to it, he doesn't blab to the press to give them headlines, he keeps it behind closed doors to give us the best chance of completing the deal without bringing unwanted attention from our rivals.
Spurs Allday
Anyway over to todays game, it should be a good one, SPURS are playing, that's all you need really. COYS we need all three points. Let's hope Arry tell's them to run around a bit, only in circles
spu 4 life
Im expecting us to start bright. If we take our chances in the first half we will win comfortably i believe. If we dont and the game drags, then i smell an upset. COYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HuddersfieldYiddo
Running around in a circle causes one to fall down. At the age of three, it is a favorite game. Typically our strategies for getting dizzy and falling down become more chemical as we enter our teen years. Perhaps QPR can play in a drunken revery like a Harry pub team. But seriously, folks, this should be a match in which both managers are highly motivated. So should some of our players, like Lennon.
Total knobhead
Both teams with world class goal keepers. should see at least a couple of great saves today.
Total knobhead
can somebody direct me to a decent sopcast link please?
supermouse
BBC sport already hyping it up loads. As is Harry with his usual spouting of absolute bull***** .
rahn DMC
AVB has gone 4-4-2 again. I thought that he wouldn't start BAE. I would of rather Dempsey came in for Ade, BAE came in for Nauts, and Nauts went to right-back for Walker. But we should still have enough to beat QPR. Sometimes AVB puzzles me, but at least he is resting and rotating players.
Fanman
G 25 Hugo Lloris D 5 Jan Vertonghen D 16 Kyle Naughton D 20 Michael Dawson D 28 Kyle Walker M 7 Aaron Lennon M 11 Gareth Bale M 19 Mousa Dembele M 30 Sandro F 10 Emmanuel Adebayor F 18 Jermain Defoe
Total knobhead
supermouse, wiziwig.eu should do it.
Critical_Spur
Good to see BAE. Good to see some pressure put on Walker with Naughton starting at RB. Adebayor has to play in his last match before going to South Africa. Can you imagine how he'd perceive the slap in the face if he weren't selected?
Total knobhead
TK, wot you mean Naughton starting right back?....he is on LB today
Critical_Spur
Oh when the Spurs...
DocHotspurs
Strong team,great bench ......COYS
wentworth
thanks Critical- muchos gracias
supermouse
Total knobhead, BAE is on the bench. Walker starts at RB, Naughton at LB.
Fanman
No takers - oh well, not as embaressing as trying it on the shelf lol
DocHotspurs
At least AVB is not tinkering with the team when there is no need to. All of our players have been rested.
Fanman
3rd v bottom COYS
123spurs
adel has a point to prove
123spurs
fanman, I found that lineup listed on espn moments before I pasted it here.
Total knobhead
FFS!! Adebayour needs to score those! All the goal and all the time to just slot it in.
rahn DMC
WHat an absolutley incredible double save that was, Ade certainly should have scored (Standard) But im struggling to remember a better double save ive ever seen
HuddersfieldYiddo
Im still in shock at how good that was
HuddersfieldYiddo
Pavlyuchenko takes more chances than Adebayor. Useless.
Moscovite
massive credit to cesar though, absolutely sublime double save!
rahn DMC
twice already that Dembele has lost the ball EASILY... aDE AND dEFOE LINKING WELL SO FAR THO'
Viyyash-Ramosh
Brilliant block from dawson!
rahn DMC
way too slow dembele
ghulamville
Even as an avid Adebayor fan its hard to defend his opening 20minutes of this game. Woeful is not the word, expect better!!!
HuddersfieldYiddo
We aren't playing well at all.
Fanman
come on scotty boy
123spurs
That's a massive blow,, hopefully parker is feeling fit and ready to go!
rahn DMC
Damn Sandro out...
Fanman
Sandro injured oh deary me.... did he tackle himself ?
Viyyash-Ramosh
oh good, dawson is shooting from range
Guernman
Ade is playing poorly.
MrSpurs
scrappy and there game plan and tactics are working
123spurs
Adebeyoer is feckin useless...now score and prove nme wrong or foff to Africa and stay there
tophobunty
If that was Bale he would've been booked for diving, Makie threw himself to ground 3 yards after a tiny initial contact.
rahn DMC
Dembele very poor.... forwards not linking well again, just waiting for oher to create for them to profit from. Dempsey on in 2nd pls...
Viyyash-Ramosh
Take Adebayor OFF NOW. He's completely USELESS. Dempsey on.
Moscovite
We WILL be better second half. We always are!!! QPR are going for the draw!!! Lennon and Bale have no space so AVB needs to change his tactics!!!
woodyn17
to many players having an off day not good enough
123spurs
All Adebayor does is standing facing goal backwards and then producing a poor pass back! He's playing backwards all the time. Leave for Togo. Do not come back!
Moscovite
well at least it might clear the bus Guernman
Underspur
Ref is giving them easy fouls and they are all over us and we are not getting anything
philbill
QRP have done their homework!!!
woodyn17
SWP running around Walker like he is not there.
Moscovite
Do we have strikers on the pitch?
TopSpur13
harry has hes team up for it , AVB doenst have hes team up for it
123spurs
Very, very difficult game for us. We're not playing well at all. Bale and Lennon can't get into the game, because there is no space. We look very vulnerable on the counter, Wright-Phillips is playing very well.
Fanman
Bale has been very, very poor.
Fanman
Adebayor is a useless piece of *****
Ibiza yiddo
Bring Naughton over to replace Walker and bring on BAE. Get Adebayor off and bring on Dempsey. Amazingly Adebayor is getting worse with each game!
SpuriousLife
Adebayor & Lennon again dreadful .If you`re not going to act interested then get off the pitch ,Adebayor is as bad as you`re going to get
big cockeral
Defoe and Ade pairing needs binning for now.... not nearly the same as last season when they created space for each other.... Dempsey WILL come on soon.... Naughton is such an intelligent player, should replace donkey Walker and play BAE again
Viyyash-Ramosh
Our ten men are doing well considering. I'd be taking the passenger Adebayor off at half time and replacing him with Dempsey. Adebayor should be ashamed of himself, he's either protecting himself for the ACoN or he's genuinely $hit, I reckon it's the latter.
thfc1882whl
Why are you so interested in spurs Viyyash. You are an arsenal fan ffs. Where is your dignity.
asherthesmasher
I don't think Ade has been that poor. There's no space in and around the box for him and Defoe to move into. We need to get Lennon and Bale into the game.
Fanman
Oh here we go again, the team is ***** because we are not winning, then we take the second half and Spurs are amazing. Leave Ade alone, you could say the whole team is poor.
asherthesmasher
This is all about work-rate. Theirs nor ours. Need Dempsey on soon to have options.
Love totty
I suppose this shows why we need another striker. We need options and competition, especially if the players on the pitch are not performing e.g. Adebayour. I would go to 4,2,3,1 and either bring dempsey or sigurdsson on for Ade. We need that player to unlock the opposition defence and we need that play to finish chances... Hopefully this convinces Levy that a pass master and a goal machine are what we need right now.
rahn DMC
Adebayor set low standards from his very first touch and he's failed miserably to live up to them. If he's still on at the start of the second it'll be a massive insult to Dempsey.
thfc1882whl
Apart from the first five minutes, Spurs have played like on Pentobarbital. I don't remember Dembele being dispossessed so often. Dawson's long passes have been off target with consistency. Sandro's injury? Let's hope it's not something that will have him losing many matches. A man we cannot aford to lose for any length of time (opinion of the Gooner Troll notwithstanding). QPR playing us off the ball and off our game physically. How can that happen? Midfield unbalanced with the 4-4-2. If Adebayor isn't doing better than he is, what's the advantage to that formation. It's handing to much to QPR in the middle of the pitch. And why cannot we go wide in this match? Lennon on the left side far too much.
Total knobhead
bale world class but world class poor today
123spurs
Dembele has been very poor today,bale and Lennon can not get into the game, to their credit QPR are marking very tight and not giving us any room to take one or two steps. Why did we bring walker back on the right when Naughton did so well last game. Very poor to watch, hope the second half is better. Have to give credit where credit is due, the keeper has kept them in with the double save.
markyboy40
I wish adebayor had already gone! Offered us nothing....
skins
Let's hope Sandro is ok. QPR have shut down the space and working hard, we have the keys to unlock them, we just can't find them that half, one chance which should have been put away. Keep probing, Keep the concentration level and we will find away through. QPR have to do that for another 45mins can they?
spu 4 life
You know just once it would be kinda fun if instead of bagging our players one of you actually said... fair play to the guy marking them cause they're having a blinder. I'm actually enjoying the tactical side of it and looking forward to the second half. Harry has our number so far but only of he's hoping for another Chelsea type miracle it seems. Still think we can take them apart.
Underspur
"Dembele very poor.... forwards not linking well again, just waiting for oher to create for them to profit from. Dempsey on in 2nd pls...," Viyyash-Ramosh.

Naff off V-R. You've been outed. Although I'm afraid you're right that Dembele hasn't been very good today. But you should stick to commenting about the price of beans in Guatemala. We know who you are, and it's not a pretty sight.

Total knobhead
asher.... The team ain't bad, it's just that Adebayor isn't contributing in the slightest and ten men will always struggle on such a tight pitch.
thfc1882whl
Bale needs to look for the pass instead of just running with his head down. We need to move the ball a bit quicker on the deck after QPR attack. Before they can park the bus. I don't think that Ade has been as poor as everyone here is making out.
Fanman
Their players are having to do a lot of running in order to break up play, hopefully they will tire as the second half unfolds and there will be more space to play in. Bale and Lennon have been very poor but I think you have to give credit to their tactics for that.
TQ2Spurs
It's up to AVB to make the needed adjustments. Harry cannot adjust during a match, although his time with Spurs has helped him prepare for today's match. But COYAVB. Step up, man, and lead us to a glorious second half. (Or at least one that responds to the obvious tactical deficiences of the first half.)
Total knobhead
Hopefully we improve in the second half. Fabio has had Lennon in his pocket all match.
Fanman
Once we break them down they'll have to come at us a bit more and then (fingers crossed) we'll go on and win it at a stroll.
thfc1882whl
to be fair it is much easier for harry to his side up for this, obviously they need the points, be he can also consider himself hard done by by spurs, AVB is dealing with players who may have mixed feelings about facing harry, its a very different dynamic. am i right in saying that we never beat QPR at loftus road under harry?
Guernman
We are trying to win the game, that's why we're vulnerable on the counter. Maybe we should park the bus and let them come onto us a bit more?
Fanman
'Arry is no fool and a wily old dog as i mentioned yesterday.he has his players crowding out our mid-field and forwards.having said that,QPR have to win,a draw is not good enough for them,so they will have to come out and play to a certain extent.hopefully this should open it up and we SHOULD be able o get at them,Re:aston villa and reading.if need a win you can only park the bus for so long.
g. roberts testes
I didn't mean what i said, as in the team is poor. None of the players have stepped up yet and lets just wait and see what happens when the game starts getting stretched. We have been here so many times this season where we don't look to have a good first half when our opposition are just trying to stay in contention. No need to change anything yet.
asherthesmasher
Bale and Lennon have been poor because QPR has been prepared for them. Harry's not a complete idiot. Sure has his limitations, but he's got his strengths, too. And he knows a lot about Spurs. The great mystery of today for me has been Dembele so far, who hasn't played with his usual strength on the ball. Had the ball taken from him much more often than we're used to seeing.
Total knobhead
Naughton to the right and BAE on the left. Otherwise scoring for SWP is just a matter of time. Plus the obvious: Dempsey on for Adebayor.
Moscovite
Terrible. AVB must change at HT. Dempsey in - Ade out. HE missed a sitter and looks uninterested.
AlexSpur
The game is so congested in their half. They are very difficult to break down.
Fanman
total knobhead.... well named indeed..... Dempsey on 2nd half. at leat Sandro might have some time off now, maybe a holiday to recuperate properly back in Brazil
Viyyash-Ramosh
g. roberts testes, you're right, a point is no good to Harry. They're going to have to come out.
Fanman
Lennon & Adebayor off ASAP
big cockeral
***** me that was so close
Guernman
i think lennon or adebayor will be key second half
Guernman
I' ll admit that ade has been complete pants so far, but lennon just needs the ball played into some space
Guernman
great play by Ade to get ball to Defoe... Ade in totally open space for a tap-in, and of course Defoe goes for the shot.... now you KNOW why Ade can't be arsed to create for Defoe most of the time.
Viyyash-Ramosh
Adebayor loses ball every time and is slow like tortoise!
Moscovite
And then what Big C?
Underspur
they have done very well in closing us down. they hopefully can't sustain that intensity for 90 minutes though and will tire. dembele is really not on song today though, and having lost sandro this will be tough
Guernman
Adebayor is really not that good at the moment, is he? COYS!!!! Get that goal!!!
Madaboutspurs
can somebody stick adebeyor on a plane please
tophobunty
Hard for Bale and Lennon because of a lack of space, QPR have parked the bus. At least they are trying. I'm a fan of Adebayor but today he doesn't even look interested
HuddersfieldYiddo
bring on siggy, he can deliver the corners better than the others
Guernman
subs pls
123spurs
I think I would bring Dempsey on now, in behind Defoe and see what he can create.
rahn DMC
very workmanlike recently under AVB style.... Arry had this team playing with so much more flair. just too predictable with the monotonous get it wide and cross it mantra.... stale stale football
Viyyash-Ramosh
sorry to play devils advocate,but don't knock ade to much.'Arry has set his team up to crowd him out of the game.as soon as he gets the ball there are at least 3 players around him.they are hunting in packs.harry knows that if you give certain spurs players space they will punish you.
g. roberts testes
Need to make some subs, were not going to win this game otherwise.
MrSpurs
take ade off and get dempsey on
spu 4 life
from monday GO AND BUY THAT STRIKER
spu 4 life
Cow patch of a field not helping our cause, but we are a little lethargic. No one taking responsibility and Dawson not helping with his long ranging passes. QPR will grow into this more and become more confident of stealing this. Still confident we can win this. COYS 20 min is plenty of time.
thenuge
Shut up Viyyash. You're condensending remarks are not welcome. Head back over to the other site, you tool.
thenuge
just as i posted my last comment ade failed to shoot at the right moment.....DOH!
g. roberts testes
its games like this that highlight our need for a playmaker and a quality out-and-out striker.someone to unlock their parked bus and some one to put it in the back of the net.
g. roberts testes
bale is pants take him off
123spurs
Lloris and Jan were sound, ever one else below average performance. Credit to Harry and QPR, they had a game plan and were determined throughout. Still they are getting relegated. For the love of god, please can we sign a striker.
thenuge
harry rednapp 1 big cockeral 0
123spurs
2 points dropped. Shame.
Moscovite
echo...GO AND BUY THAT STRIKER
dcruzer
Harry must be the happiest man in England right now. Julio Cesar man of the match. poor effort by Spurs altogether. One might argue that AVB was out-coached today, although I'd far far rather have him than Harry at N17. But we lost two points today we should have taken.
Total knobhead
AND ANOTHER SPEEDY WINGER...
dcruzer
2 points dropped, but I'll take a point after that poor performance. Bale was rubbish today. United next... At least there'll be some space in that game. Oh and Walker is terrible.
Fanman
Clever tactics by Harry, credit wheres credits due. If you open up against Spurs you get punished (See Aston Villa) Our best players need space, its hard when the home team plays 8 defenders. Truth be told we had chances and we should have taken them. A solid if unspectacular performance. No disaster by any means. Scott Parker was exceptional when he came on. That M'Bia was a beast for them. Unlucky lads
HuddersfieldYiddo
good pt won in the end.... nice to see Arry starting to work his magic with this QPR team, starting to turn it around with hardwork and TEAM ethic.... Ade and especially Defoe and Bale should take note..
Viyyash-Ramosh
2 points dropped.
MrSpurs
Yes absolutely frustrating. But I give QPR more credit for playing exactly how they would have been told to play rather than say we played poorly or without effort because that simply isn't true. I can only imagine the players and coaches frustration. I am so accustomed to seeing this type of game over the last 2 or 3 years I have become immune.
jvd
Walker is not terrible. He is horrendous.
Moscovite
Yeah big Jan at the back was top quality today
HuddersfieldYiddo
123spurs, agreed. AVB should of taken off Bale not Lennon. QPR just looked to park the bus, and hit us on the counter. Which they nearly did a few times.
Fanman
Hats off to Harry and QPR a real backs against the wall performance, shame we haven't got a really creative midfielder or a world class striker. Scrappy game which showed just how short we are in attack. Said the other day that teams will increasingly try to park the bus against us and we need someone capable of opening them up. Dembele isn't the answer, the only area of the pitch where we look sorted is in defence. Get the cheque book out now Mr Levy, we need someone to open up these 'lesser teams. Tarrabt has the vision, just imagine if he also had the attitude of Mackey who I thought was excellent against Naughton today.
thfc1882whl
begruding credit to twitchy bollox.;he set out his stall and they stuck to it.ceasar was their saving grace.....if the chavs do win we are still 4th and 1 point off 3rd.need to keep an eye on everton though.....frustrating game to watch.......levy and AVB go out and get us a goal scorer and a playmaker,your not blind.
g. roberts testes
Seemed our play even worsened when Ade came off. Its not a striker we need, its a mata, silva, vdv kind of player i think. Only sandro, parker and jan played well. Frustrating performance.
whitespur
Over all that was a poor performance but for me the key moment was the double save from Cesar; which in all honesty, Adebayour should have buried. If we had scored that then QPR would've had to have a go. But we didn't, so they didn't. I think this game shows how much we need that locksmith and that all round NO: 9. A couple of times in the game SWP got in behind the defence due to some great balls, seeing as we have so much pace on the wings, that's what we need to be able to do.
rahn DMC
HuddersfieldYiddo, agreed. Parker looked great when he came on. Really solid and in control. Not sure whether I prefer him or Sandro?
Fanman
We were poor, give QPR there due they shut us down from the beginning, our wings were non existent. I suppose in the grand scheme of things it was one of those banana skin games. My biggest concern besides the obvious (goal scorer) is we don't have a fantastic playmaker, Dembele today just showed me we still need a world class playmaker. My other concern is we have had nearly 60% possession in almost 5 to 6 games and show nothing for it. I am hoping in the next week we find our weakness and fix it very quickly otherwise we will see ourselves been overtaken by the teams trailing us.
markyboy40
Continuing from my previous post, the feeling of many that we will completely overrun any team that is bottom of table is not supported by history. When you look at history you can see that this is a 1 goal game and one we lost last year. S while I don't like having dropped two points I can live with it.
jvd
Very pedestrian. QPR defended well but we are so slow in getting the ball forward. It's imperative to get forward quickly against teams that just reform and sit and wait. Instead the CBs play a few crossfield balls and allow the opposition to take up their defensive positions. And Adebayor!!! Just not interested..
ParkLaneBB
We have this problem when teams shut up shop. It usually the case at white hart lane where teams comes get 11 men behind the ball and pack the midfield and hope for a break or a set piece. It is up to us to breakthrough and unfortunately that's easier said than done. I think that's what is stopping us from becoming a top top club. I reckon neither of the Manchester clubs would have dropped points there. This isn't a dig, I just think although we have some quality, we just don't have the winning mentality. Next week we'll see Man Utd come to the lane and it'll be a completely different match. They'll come at us so and we'll go at them. QPR played for the point and done well to be fair.. Still COYS!
TopSpur13
If that V-R Gooner troll continues to say on our site, she is inviting a massive invasion vital spurs by trolls from Vital Spurs, no? The Vital Arsenal administrator should advise her to stop trolling her unless she wants such an invasion.
Total knobhead
Willian,moutinho and Damiao please lol
gsmith84
Another 2 points thrown away, against a team that has amassed 14 points in 22 games, wonderful. Of course we don't need a creative player who can play the killer pass, and a decent striker, how could I think such a thing. Teams know how to stop us, we are predictable, teams know where the threat comes from, if they are prepared to settle for a point they will get 1, and we will drop 2. We had 16 shots at goal, 7 on target NO goals. Come on Levy buy us a bloody striker for Christ's sake.
Frank
Was that a point gained or 2pts dropped, when you pack your defence like they did, not much more we could have done. Considering the options, the two best chances fell to the wrong person (Ade) had that been Negredo or Leandro, we would be walking away with all three points, wonder if Levy spotted it? And most of last weeks post's said it as well, so are we all wrong, i don't think so.
spu 4 life
Far too many players had poor games - Walker has really gone backwards. Will console myself with the point.
Durbanspur
Agreed whitespur, you can pass a ball much quicker than anyone can run. Our midfield is full of runners, but they ran into a brick wall today. For these sort of game's we could do with a creative passer, like all the top teams have.
Guyver
As much as a striker we are desperate for a 'lock picker' to play the number 10 role. It is a back handed compliment that teams are now choosing to park the bus against us even when they are at home. We need to be able to break them down though. As for your love of Redknapp VR, draws won't help him, especially at home. He said he needed at least 10 wins when took over they've not managed more than 2 yet. They will still go down.
SpuriousLife
Continuing from my previous post, the feeling of many that we will completely overrun any team that is bottom of table is not supported by history. When you look at history you can see that this is a 1 goal game and one we lost last year. S while I don't like having dropped two points I can live with it.
jvd
Frank, we can't win all of the time.
Fanman
@gsmith84, Damiao might not be instant solution you seem to think. His play in the past few months has not been of the quality he'd been producing in the previous 18 months. Niggly injuries and adjustments by opposing defences.
Total knobhead
Can anyone tell me why Lennon was substituted while SWP was running rings round Walker? That could have cost us again in the last ten minutes. It was tough going against a very resolute team so let's not jump on the players backs too much, but AVB....please get a substitution right.
Love totty
Tactically crap, wingers playing in off the flanks, everything down the middle, no width. We were playing on a postage stamp of a pitch, and we played right into their hands, allowing them to clog up the middle an stop us. Pi$$ poor, I'm afraid.
Frank
Sandro's injury might put Livermore going out on loan on the back burner
spu 4 life
SpuriousLife, VR is an arse fan trolling this site, take no notice of it, a sad person with a boring life I suppose.
rahn DMC
Buy back Taarabt! He almost killed us if it wasn't for SWP being so *****e...
taniban
What I am concerned about are Dawson's reverting to his old game of hoofing the ball out of his half and Sandro's injury which looks like an ACL and if so he's out for the rest of the season. Really hope not.
jvd
TopSpur13, agreed. The United game will be alot more open, and we should be able to get behind them.
Fanman
..Ade was shocking but even when he came off we looked even worse going forward, THAT'S HOW ******** ***** WE ARE GOING FORWARD!!!! Mr Levy we need Forward and William
sadaq
love the way the words: locksmith, lock-picker, unlocking, etc have been used more recently.. Bale only plays for himself, when he's bad he really is bad.... easily disguised by the good 1 game in 3.
Viyyash-Ramosh
West Brom done it at the Lane, Norwich done it at Lane, Stoke done it at the Lane and QPR done it today. When teams defend well and attempt to frustrate us we sometimes seem clueless. Although we threw it away against Norwich and Brom, this is the way a lot of teams play against us now because of how well we're doing and it is up to our players to remain concentrated and keep plugging away.
TopSpur13
This Bale and Lennon switching wings thing has to go. With two right-footed players on the left, how were we going to get behind QPR and put a cross in?
Fanman
Fanman, that is crap, if you want to finish in a CL position, you have to beat the team who are bottom of the bloody league, and having 17 shots on goal, and 7 on target, incidently they had 1 on target. Before somebody reminds me I know they beat Chelsea last time out, irrelevant, none of our business, we just have to do our job, today we didn't.
Frank
yep jvd, Dawsons long balls were frustrating and also contagious because Vert started hoofing them a bit as well.
Guyver
I thought played well with the ball but showed no real threat other than the early shot which was brilliantly saved by Cesar and the post. Other than that nothing. Adebayor is out of form and definitely struggling. Hope he can get something going in Africa. AVB just now saying that Sandro's knee will be good, stretched ligament.
jvd
Even though VR is a gooner, His last post was relevant.. He need a player that can deliver that killer pass
taniban
@Total knobhead,maybe not but we have been after this player for a while so he's obviously our number 1 realistic striker target,he would bring us options and a move to the PL might be what he needs.But i would still like to see us sign Willian or Moutinho,shakter just signed taison so they might sell,definitely need to sign someone or could see us missing out again.
gsmith84
13 seasons into the Levy/ENIC empire in a tightly contested game when some flair and inspiration was much needed from the bench, we witness 2 players that stink of mediocrity (Sigurdsson,and Dempsey) enter the game. 2 players that were personally chosen and purchased by that clueless fool of a chairman named Daniel Levy...
pelebro
V-R must be a frustrated little girl who finds no one to play with at her own site.
Total knobhead
*we
taniban
Need a striker. :-(
Madaboutspurs
The issue, IMO, is we give away the middle of the pitch in the final third. There is no chemistry, and I mean NO chemistry, between Defoe and anyone else in the middle. This is not based on one year, but over a decade. It's same old same old. I would suggest, there is no AMF or striker who will come in and be a successful partner to him. Ade, Crouch, VDV, Berba, Bent, Mido, Keane, Dempsey, the list goes on. None have managed anything with JD other than Crouch for a short term at Pompey before everyone sussed out the old chip the ball to Crouch who will lay off to Defoe nonsense. ISCO will not turn a selfish player in to a team player. A pylon today might have been slightly less effective than Defoe. I just would not have been expecting anything of the pylon. Over 20 full 90 minute games and 10 goals, 6 from 3 appearances. 4 from the remaining 18. That's Defoe.

In the PL now, top clubs need all 11 players in the build-up and in the defence. Defoe is not part of any of that. I can forgive Dawson, who is 4th choice CB and Parker who is there to do a job. Dembele is a box to box guy. He did that. If you have nothing in the final third in the middle, teams can cheat to the outside and limit Bale and Lennon. QPR did that very well today. It should also be said that QPR played closer to a rugby match today, but if the ref allows it, you have to get on with it. They are fighting for their lives, we are not. That was the difference today. Cesar also made 3 fabulous saves.

23M for Fellaini and 15M for Michu. They'll hit the ground running and address what we need, even if at a cost we probably don't want to spend. COYS
peterballb
We get these frustrate teenage girls on here once in a while, mostly trolling Chelsea supporters, but really, V-R, recruit some new playmates at your own site. And change your name it you're going to troll, for sake of the gods, you invite speculation about ethnicity which can only cause injury.
Total knobhead
And as for the appalling away kit we saw our team play in today. I call it the jokers kit, a mirrored image of the fool that runs our club!
pelebro
If he'll take a pay cut we should go and get Sneijder. He is what we need as well as a prolific striker. We don't need Moutinho. We lack creativity in the final third that isn't where Moutinho plays. It may be where Holtby plays (I don't know enough about his game) but it is certainly where Sneijder is most effective. It's obvious he doesn't want to go to Turkey but will if nothing better comes up. Come on Levy! The Champions League next season will pay for these players and more. Cowardice and penny-pinching in the transfer should be left to VR's lot at the Emirates.
SpuriousLife
No panic. I know everybody's demanding a striker and a creative midfielder in this TW and I wouldn't say no to either or both. But seriously I don't see DL forking out 30M to 40M for the players the media are speculating about, so I'm not setting myself up for disappointment. Will be interesting to see how Ba plays with Chelsea today. He's the guy I would have bought, bad knee or no bad knee. Great value to risk IMHO.
jvd
TopSpur you are so right, through lack of tactical awareness, and midfield creative quality, we have thrown 8 points away in games we have dominated in terms of posession and chances made. We can see it, the only two gentlemen who are "happy with the squad we have" are AVB and Levy, hope it won't cost us, but I fear it will. We need to get out there, and buy a lock-picker, and a striker (a proper one).
Frank
Spurs over 60 percent of the possession and QPR had no shot on goal. Should have put away 3 points with those statistics.
Total knobhead
Frank, AVB is not happy with our squad, he knows the players he wants, and he knows he ain't going to get them with that fool Levy running the show, so for now he is keeping it buttoned and saying the right thing. But no stone remains unturned...
pelebro
Frank, ok, I know you're frustrated at the result and so am I, but we are just of the back of a 4 game winning run. Considering that, I don't think that we should be so hard on the team.
Fanman
SpuriousLife, if reports I read yesterday are correct, you can forget Schneijder. He wants 160k NET. That is at least double what we can afford. Even more so for a player who has not played since September. COYS
peterballb
QPR 1-0 Tottenham last year, yet this year Harry drops 2 points & is a savior, AVB gains a point & is cluless. We need more investment, it's nothing to do with tactics, we lack attacking options from the bench. No striker, no wingers, just two ACM who've struggled. We need 2 maybe 3 attacking signings. Last year we had options, this year we don't. The squad needs depth.
Spurs Allday
well done to harry an hes players, fightening for there lives an make it hard for us as again we couldnt break down a team who park the bus
123spurs
One of the most boring games ive seen, played right into the hands of QPR.
coys1717
If this debacle doesn't stimulate Levy to go out there and seek a solution, it will confirm what some of us have always believed, his priority is not on the pitch success, it is profit for Lewis.
Frank
Peterballb. I believe he's been offered €6m by Gallatasary. That's still steep by our standards but I really don't think it's all about the money with Sneijder at the moment. I've a good friend who works at Inter on the coaching side and he says Sneijder is fully fit and is looking sharper than ever. He may not have played since September but he is desperate to get playing again BUT in the right league. He wants to play in the EPL and that is why he is stalling about Turkey. He would probably take a small pay cut to come to England compared to going to Turkey. All we have to do is make him an offer. Consensus at Inter is he would find it hard to say no at £80-£90k a week in EPL.
SpuriousLife
SpuriousLife for fear of being shot down and crash and burn, I've been saying it all last week, 2nd or 3rd Automatic Group Stage CL = ££££. 2nd or 3rd bigger prize money in the prem, it's heading in the direction of goal difference come may. It might not be the answer, it might not guarantee these places, but it might just help. Nothing ventured, Nothing gained.
spu 4 life
Spurs Allday, I agree. AVB is not to blame. He brought on 2 attacking players today to try and change to game. The only problem was, that they are both Daniel Levy purchases, not AVB players. That interfering fool of a chairman Daniel Levy, is still the spanner in the THFC works!!!
pelebro
where is big C is he gone missing like ade, lol
123spurs
spuriouslife, i agree with you. I actually think we'll finish in 6th place this season(not a knee jerk reaction) if we dont get a very good attacking midfielder in this window. Dembele is not an option because he doesnt score or even play through balls. Sig may come good but i dont think we should risk this season finding out. Dempsey is jack of all trades, master of none. The truth is the bottom teams will follow this pattern(stoke, norwich, qpr) and we will drop more points if we dont do something now.
whitespur
@pelebro and they are both s**t
gsmith84
i must say i never see how playing Bale right and Lennon left for an extended period like today ever helps us. I think when teams park the bus you need to use the max width of the pitch for force them out os position, by switching bale and lennon you narrow the width as they both want to come inside, add to that the fact we are playng a right footed left back and the problem increases, the result is what we witnessed again today. In my mind that is tactical. I think AVB is doing a decent enough job but like everyone on the platen he can improve, this is one way.
tophobunty
Frank, it's not Levy's job to solve this himself. He needs to buy what AVB wants. I'm sure the list is not miles and miles long of players that he believes will add something while being affordable. They also need to consider whatever the budget is that Lewis has proposed. I'm sure breaking even is still the target, so we are somewhat limited. To keep suggesting that Levy can just go out and spend whatever he wants on player is responsible, and ridiculous.

Where I will agree is that there are options out there. If we have the money for Leandro and Moutinho (not so sure we do - one or the other I would presume) then Fellaini and Michu are certainly affordable. Willian will not come as he is still in the CL. And I will still state, it does not matter who we sign if Defoe is out there. .5 goals per 90 minutes is what he is delivering in the PL while taking away from everyone around him. Awesome. Impact sub at best. COYS
peterballb
Love you guys. We need a creative MF like Mata or Hazard or Silva or ?. Seem to remember that Chelsea at home couldn't break them down either. Nor could Modric and VDV last year. Come on guys can't you see that HR has transformed the psyche of this team. They're playing highly disciplined, tight marking, ankle biting, defensive football. We don't play our best against teams which play like that. Give credit where due.
jvd
peterballb, agreed. We definately need a player who can enable us to pass through a defence. Defoe is always looking to make space for a shot rather than play anybody through. When Defoe is not scoring, he doesn't really contribute anything else to the side.
Fanman
To be honest the way this game was hyped up it always had 0-0 written all over it, but what gets my goat is many teams have parked the bus against us the season but we have not learned. What wa AVB expecting today" an open game" he must of known they would defend for their lives. I thought Verts had a good game, Sandro till his injury and Parker did ok in his place. I tent to agree with Peterbalb over the years we have had many strikers pairing with Defoe and never really gelled and they have all moved on, surely that must tell us who the weak link is, 7 strikers in the past 8 season can't all be poor, can they?be good if stoke do us a favour.
markyboy40
Some congrats should be shown to our former coach Harry Redknapp today, for the way he excellently organised his team against a vastly superior side on paper... Well done Harry and the best of luck for the rest of the season. And the best of luck to you AVB. Let's hope you get the backing, loyalty and the support you deserve from the THFC board that Harry and all Levy's other coaches were never given....
pelebro
By the way, it looks now as though our greatest rival for 4th this season is Chelsea, so root today for Stoke.
Total knobhead
Oh well....2 points dropped or a reasonable point gained !?........My first thought observations: Mom for spurs...Dawson...thought parker did ok too. Naughton...pretty sound as a defender..but very slow in decision making....just slows it down too much when we are in the ascendancy. Like to see him tried at right back. Not enough from Lennon.........still think Townsend should be at least on the subs bench. Goals change games.....AVB needs to recognise when a player is off form, a bit quicker ..plus Be knocking very hard on Mr. Levy's door, for the Next Quality striker. Let's hope other teams do us a favour, this w'end.
82spursdebut
Reports from Spain are suggesting that Negredo is close to signing. How true that is, hell knows? topho if it's not working as we'd initially set up what's AVB supposed to do? Switching wings is all he really can do, there are no options on the bench! What's he supposed to do just accept a 0-0 without trying something different? If he has no wide options there's not a lot else he can do.
Spurs Allday
Stoke are getting battered. They aren't parking the bus today.
Fanman
Need better atacking players than Lennon & Adebayor .

QPR were dreadful & were there for the taking .The issue was our bench .Both Adebayor & Lennon had to come off but Siggy clearly is a fish out of water in a Spurs shirt .

If we don`t buy 2 attacking skillfull players you can kiss goodbye to top 4 . The end product in the final 3rd is not good enough .Bale plays poor then we have no more ideas .No different to Liverpool over relying on the superb Suarez .Need better attacking options
big cockeral
peterballb, you are the master ENIC/LEVY apologist...
pelebro
Re Sneijder, £12M fee, bung him £5M signing on fee, pay him £100K/wk for 2 years =£10M, total £27M for a world class MFer for 2 years. If any of the others want to moan, tell them when they are as good as him, and can compete with his CV, they can claim as much as him. His inclusion would also certainly consolidate us in the top 3 and a CL qualification during his stay.
Frank
Football is so frustrating because you have to wait all week only to see dross like that. Ade was diabolical and it seemed to be the right thing to do to take him off. After he went off we never looked like scoring at all. We have all been saying all season that we do lack creativity. Sure, we can make the top four as it is, but it will be very close. If Levy just took a little risk this window, 3rd and 4th is there for the taking.
asherthesmasher
jvd It's not a case of signing Silva or Mata, it's simply signing someone to give us an option. Our only attacking options available are both CAM. We have no other options meaning we can't effectively change a game without losing a striker or a winger & when playing against a team set up to defend how is taking a striker or winger off going to help? Like I say he needs options which we simply don't have.
Spurs Allday
We missed a trick when Lukaku went on loan to WBA, he would have been just our barrow, but I don't suppose Chelsea would have let him come to us.
Frank
Fanman, that where scoring in only 7 of 22 kills you. It's not only that he doesn't score but he also takes away from others as he is useless in any build-up. Watching Everton/Swansea - gotta get Michu and Fellaini if we have 40M to spend. Sell Ade, Hudd and Rose to recoup half of the funds and to get the wages to balance. We also need to get someone consistent to take our corners and free kicks. Taraabt looked better than Bale in that regard today. They are free chances and we waste them time and again. COYS
peterballb
AVB picked the wrong team for this one. There was never going to be much forward threat from QPR but lots of set pieces for us. Caulker should have played not Dawson who was awful today and Benni. Dempsey's on a good run, the other two aren't so why leave him out? Now need a good performance against MU to regain momentum.
Love totty
Pelebro, that or realist. COYS
peterballb
Frank, Schneijder wants a net salary of 160k after taxes etc. Your numbers aren't close. 10M signing bonus and 100k/week on a 2 year deal on top of the 12M transfer. That's 42M for him and likely little sell on value. Fellaini and Michu over two years would cost a touch more but would both have many years ahead of them and would hit the ground running. COYS
peterballb
This bore draw is a blessing in disguise .

Levy watching that must have thought " $hit we need a striker & & a winger & phucking badly ,i`ll have them ready for the next game against Manchester United ,not watching that pu$$y bollox again "
big cockeral
I know this is no excuse but did anyone else think there pitch was very poor. From where I was watching it looked very bobbly and the ball didn't seem to roll consistently. Saying that even on the perfect pitch like the lane, we haven't lit up the world have we, lol
markyboy40
peterballb, you should end your posts 'come on you Enic' instead of 'Come on you Spurs'. You ain't a Tottenham fan, your a disciple of the Canadian church of ENIC...
pelebro
Need better attacking players than Lennon & Adeb..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Thats what i think everytime you post pal, youre like a broken record. You know absolutley nothing. Bale was every bit as bad as Lennon today. Not like you would ever admit it.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Frank lives in a fantasy world when it comes to money. Sneijder is not a viable option for us. He is not even a viable option for the biggest clubs. Sneijder is going to play in the Turkish league and there is reasons why.
asherthesmasher
If there is a silver lining to a disasterous weekend, it is that it just might, and it is a big might, convince our self appointed genius DOF to get of his arse, chase the moths out of his wallet, and get out into the market place, and get us a player/s who will improve our ability to score goals against bus parkers, Just a thought, we can always hope, although deep down we know it ain't going to happen, not with tight arse.
Frank
Love Totty, I think that's a little unfair on Dawson. He is what he is, but he made a key block and did get his head on a couple of corners, so he did what I expected of him. AVB went for experience. I would never start Defoe, so would have preferred Dempsey up top of Adebayor, but then, if things stay as they are, Defoe will be in the lineup for the next 3 to 6 games, so I guess he wanted to make sure he didn't lose his "cough, cough" form. COYS
peterballb
peterballb, I don't think that we'll get Michu or Fellaini, or that we'll sell Ade. But we certainly need a playmaker who can play off the striker, and a new striker... Chelsea 1 nil up. Stoke are looking like relegation fodder.
Fanman
Stoke 0 Chelsea 1, Walters og. So much for Stoke doing us a favour.
Frank
pelebro= arsemunch
asherthesmasher
no plan B, didn't move the ball quickly enough, Bale spent too long anywhere but the left....AVB doesn't play Caulker at RCB for some reason? They were always going to sit deep to negate our pace...we need another striker, one who can make things happen and link...we have to play two just to do the job of one...oh and creative mid would be a good idea...
shedboy2
peterballb is all pounds shillings and pence, just like his Christ the Levy. Forgive me father, if I shall spend...
pelebro
pelebro, let's hear your brilliant suggestion as to players that Levy should be bringing in here, with AVB's consent, of course. I await your considered response. COYS
peterballb
LT if Ade had scored either of his chances and we had won the game 0-1 would the team selection have still been wrong?
jvd
not the end of the world, shows we need that little bit extra and seeing as this is the transfer window we have the perfect opportunity!!!
wiltshirespur
well we won't fall out of top4..we just need to go and beat Manu next week...at least they won't park the bus...;)
shedboy2
Asherthesmasher, I have showed you the sums, for less than we got for Modric, we could have 2 years of Wesley Sneijder, and the CL money that would get us would go a long way to paying for him, as well as the big TV wedge we are going to get in the new deal. No you like many of the same ilk, would like us to "run a tight ship", "win feck all" and simply watch Joe Lewis getting rich while his lacky wins brownie points for saving him money.
Frank
"Need better atacking players than Lennon & Adebayor," Big C. At the least, Big C is absolutely consistent. One knows in advance of a match exactly what his comment will be afterwards. A Big C "hello McFly" to Lennon & Adebayor! The tradition continues.
Total knobhead
The long and the short of it is this, if we don't get a world class striker and a creative midfielder we are not going to finish in the CL places and it will be our results against the so called lesser teams that will cost us. If we don't finish in the CL places we will lose Bale and no top players will want to join. We will become exactly what ENIC want us to become, a nearly team that makes all their money on player sales rather than on field success. I bet they're already counting the £35-40 million that selling Bale will generate and they are probably looking at a nice double your money deal for Vertonghen soon after. Any business should already have been done, Llorente could have played today if Levy had some balls. What's the point of having two of the best wingers in the league if there's nobody who can head the bloody thing?
thfc1882whl
well we should be safe at 40 points...;)
shedboy2
We won at Old Trafford. No a priori reason we can't win against Man U at home.
Total knobhead
Played pretty poor today. Are tempo seemed to get slower and slower...dembele seemed as if he was carrying an injury/not 100% fit, he didnt play poor but was no way near his best. Dawson long balls were really starting to ***** me off, gr8 defender imo but them balls arent what a club like spurs needs 2 revert 2...more like was stoke does. Were gonna have to play him or gallas (if hes fit) in CB next week partnering verts even though i feel caulker is better then both, we'll need all the exp we can get. Really need kabs back :(. Lloris,Verts,Sandro (when he was on the pitch) and daws apart from the long balls had good games, th rest below par. We really need negredo or michu in asap! Dont think a creative mid is as important but would also b nicee.
SpursSnM
@thfc1882whl - Exactly what I am thinking too. And what if we do get CL spot.... probably nothing changes.
Jables
manu will rip Daws apart if he tries to step up like he did today....I don't think he's the right CB for them...
shedboy2
I am sorry but there was NOT a single player in our team that stood out. Wonder if they had their late new year's doo! Lethargic all round. We needed to get an early goal like someone said y'day and it would made it in to good game. As usual, another sitter missed and from there on, apart from another good save from their goalie, not a single clear cut chance. Too many hopeful distance shots. If I had to pick the worse player today, it was a close call between Dembele and Bale. Neither did what they are good at. Shame. But being forced to be content with ONE point. We have had many opps to open up a gap against the chasing pack, but we keep allowing it to narrow it instead. If we are not careful, we will suddenly find ourselves in 7th place if the teams around us click in to gear. Let's hope a striker signing is on the way and that we are ready for the biggie next weekend. COYS!
Critical_Spur
Bottom line is no new striker and no new creative midfield player equals no top four. Simple as that IMO. The team are doing OK but there are too few options. Going into the Man U game with our attacking options represents poor poor management
jonathan01
Perhaps we are looking to win the FFP trophy, if they invent one. I'll bet Plattini thinks that the sun shines out of Levy's arse, he must be his a-ideal chairman, not a lot coming in, but nowt going out.
Frank
Comments slating Bale and Lennon are crazy as both players have been in top form recently. Adebayor however has been poor all season and I really hope he goes to the African Nations Cup so Levy is forced into the transfer market.
MrSpurs
Peel bro you are just one of a few DL/ENIC bashers. What does it do for you? If I'm not mistaken we are spending an average of 50M a season on player acquisitions over the last 5 years. Spent a ton on new training facilities, another ton on purchasing properties around WHL for stadium expansion. We've made some horrible buying mistakes and are slowly weeding them out, a process which is very expensive. Your Football Manager outlook is a little simplistic in thinking we have some kitty to spend 40M on players and finance the increased expenditures of salary and incentive bonuses. I for one trust that DL knows what he is doing, especially seeing that he has al the facts and I have very little.
jvd
jonathan01-bang on!
shedboy2
TK.... I wouldn't be surprised to see us beat any team that actually comes to play football. It's the teams who come for a point and hope to maybe nick all three with a breakaway goal that will cause us to finish outside the CL places. No real creativity in the middle of the field and no clinical strikers.
thfc1882whl
jonathan01 - we shouldnt need to spend millions on a striker and midfielder in order to be QPR one of the worse teams in the league.
MrSpurs
Peterb - yes one good block but his distribution was awful. Having said that he wasn't alone.
Love totty
Thfc1882whl, not for the first time I agree with every word you say re. ENIC, our inability to get into a CL place, and it's future effect on our ability to hold onto our better players, and that that maybe ENIC's strategy from the start. It must be, because they have shown for 13 years they have no genuine ambition to push onwards an upwards, in terms of on pitch success. Mind you we have won 1 trophy during their tenure.
Frank
Frank, there is a reason no clubs are going for for Sneijder. I am not saying he wouldn't be worth it if we knew we were getting the player that made his name. We wouldn't have a chance of getting him if he was the same player. All i am saying is, i can understand why we are not going to go in for him. It could be a big waist of money and hamper our ability to go into the transfer market in the summer and add the players needed to push on next season.
asherthesmasher
jvd..... sorry mate but the new training ground was a purely financial decision. £45 million spent on property in Enfield to free up £80 million pounds worth of property in Chigwell. It's a no brainer for a guy whose only qualification as a football chairman is a degree in Land Economy. Don't expect to see any of the Chigwell profits spent on players either, not when Joe Lewis needs his regular skin peels and Ambre Solare shares.
thfc1882whl
peterballb, Levy shouldn't be bringing anyone in! That should be down to AVB and AVB alone! I agreed wholeheartedly with AVB's summer picks of Willian and Moutinho! If they would have been bought we would be pushing for the title right now instead of scrapping around fighting for the top 4 again.. But please Peter don't come back with one of your silly posts telling us all that our vastly wealthy club owners cant afford them. That's just silly fanatical church of the ENIC stuff...
pelebro
Chelsea up 0-2. merda.
Total knobhead
Asherthesmasher, if as reported Sneijder wanted to give the PL a go, who needs to go in for him. The two Manc clubs, Chelsea and Arsenal are all fixed up with AMFers, the glaring vacancy is at Spurs. In their cases it would be a waste of money, in ours it would be an investment.
Frank
Stoke 0 Chelsea 2, he is a hell of a goal scorer Walters, trouble is he gets confused as to which way he is kicking, hence 2 own goals.
Frank
a non-penalty penalty for Chelsea. merda demais.
Total knobhead
Mr Spurs I think you do need quality strikers against a team that parks the bus, however low in the league they are. We simply don't have enough options off the bench - and that is before injuries hit us as the season goes on. If the chairman believes in AVB then he must support him.
jonathan01
Re today's game, if ever we needed to win it was today, Redknapp will have a grin on his face for months.
Frank
I'm afraid I agree with Frank's last comment, even though I usually find Frank more pessimistic than am I.
Total knobhead
Stoke 0 Chelsea 3, Lampard (pen), some teams can beat the bus garage approach.
Frank
It's not about what our wealthy owners can afford, it's about what the club can afford. Don't have a go at ENIC for running there business properly. We are where we are off our off own backs which just shows how big of a club we are and how well run we are. We are competing with wealthier clubs who will spend a lot more money. This is the way all clubs should be run. Football has become a predictable farce. Real Madrid have been getting away with for years. Anyway, ENIC, has hinted that they will sell at the right price. But how may sugar daddy's are out there that will buy the club for football results only, for there own satisfaction? We could end up with an owner with less money and only interested in pocketing every last penny.
asherthesmasher
I meant that I agree about Redkapp's grin. As to beating parking the bus, there was an own goal and a penalty call without a penalty. We don't seem to get the same sort of luck, I'm afraid.
Total knobhead
We certainly could do worse by far and ENIC. We're in the top four with a young group and a promising young manager and without debt. No too bad at all, actually. But, as we should, we want more. That's what it is to be a supporter.
Total knobhead
Incidently, we have today achieved the first objective, we have amassed 40 points, the traditional level required to avoid relegation.
Frank
Frank, i think it is a huge risk to take on a player not even playing for his current club. So lets agree to disagree on that one. What i do agree with you on, is that i think we should be looking to add some quality in THIS window. Although i still think we will finish above Arsenal, just. And that will be fourth.
asherthesmasher
Lampard scores for Chelsea! If Lampard had been a Tottenham player Danny Boy would have cashed in on him a few seasons back whilst he was still worth a few bob...
pelebro
I find it strange that ENIC dont invest in transfers now to guarantee Champions League football. It is obvious to everyone that Liverpool and Arsenal (historically our main rivals for top 4) are as weak as they have ever been, now is the time to strike and make the most of it. We cant let this opportunity pass us by again like last season.
MrSpurs
hell of a long shot by hazzard for chelsea's fourth. can't take that one away from them and it wasn't down to luck. stoke's demoralized now.
Total knobhead
Frank, Stoke didn't park the bus today.
Fanman
Having a creative midfielder will make little difference if the forwards ahead of him are not capable of finding space or making runs behind the defence. Ade used to do this well but seems disinclined to now. Even Modric wasn’t able to solve this problem, so most of his play went wide. We also don’t have central midfielders who get into the box to support our attacks. So when we come up against teams who were set up like QPR today, all of our attacking play takes place outside of the opposition’s penalty area. Ade and Defoe spend far too much time receiving the ball with their backs to goal. If we’re not getting another striker, and we opt for the luxury of playing them together, they’ve got to start making more positive runs in the areas that hurt defenders - it’s too easy to defend against them.
GARYKIR
Good one, Frank, we've avoided relegation and it's still January. So now we can go into a Harry-like meltdown for the second half of the season?
Total knobhead
Stoke 0 Chelsea 4, that's how you beat crap that don't want to play.
Frank
oh well, chelsea look to be pulling away and really putting their goal difference out of reach. lets hope city do over arsenal tomorrow, although they will miss yaya toure more than we will miss adebayor
Guernman
asher..... Of course ENIC will sell at the right price and they'll happily walk away with a property empire gained from selling out the club they have been entrusted with. They have been allowed to buy up property in N17 under the pretext that they will build a stadium, property they wouldn't have been able to get their grubby little mitts on otherwise. They are the footballing equivalent of a plague of locusts just ask supporters from Rangers who would like to see some of the Tavistock groups directors strung up.
thfc1882whl
Asherthersmasher, fair enough mate, we'll agree to disagree, I hope you are right about us finishing above Arsenal, although I don't think it will happen if we don't fetch a striker and/or AMFer in during this window.
Frank
Guys I've been through all this financial stuff ad nauseum. No longer up for it as unless you're willing to look at what finance houses look for to finance 400M stadium, in terms of Debt to Equity and other ratios and unless you're an fait with accounting it makes no sense. Simply put we don't have the borrowing power to spend on big name players and pursue financing a big stadium. And as for some cash stored away from player sales...doesn't exist.
jvd
jvd..... so we're skint then are we mate? If that's the case there must be some serious embezzling going on.
thfc1882whl
jvd, you tell us all that ENIC "are spending an average of 50M a season on player acquisitions over the last 5 years". Well how come ENIC have made a profit on the transfer market in that time? Does that mean that ENIC have been selling more than 50 million quids worth of talent a season over the past 5 seasons? Same old church of the ENIC disciples, lets pretend we are spending when we are not, lies...
pelebro
jvd - I understand your point but ENIC took over 13 years ago, dont you think they should have planned the clubs future better than this?
MrSpurs
thfc1882whl- Are you suggesting we are heading in the same direction as Rangers ended up?
asherthesmasher
Well, at least the transfer half hour opens soon.
thfc1882whl
As far as i was aware we are in the process of building a new stadium.
asherthesmasher
One of our main rivals Chelsea, have scored 4 or more in 11 games this season in all comps, that's why we need to sign a striker and AMFer, or we could just refuse to compete, and concede defeat.
Frank
asher..... Wasn't it ENIC who sold Rangers to an unfit and not proper person. Wasn't it ENIC who pillaged the club and left the cupboard bare? Well that shady entity that nobody including HMRC can get to the bottom of, the Tavistock group.
thfc1882whl
Frank that's why they play the games, isn't it? Last week Chelsea, at home couldn't unlock QPR and now they're destroying Stoke a team you would think plays even better defense. I don't however, take anything negative about Spurs from the result. Again that's why they play the games.
jvd
Pelebro, yes, we can afford the 50-60M that both would cost and their salaries would fit. Both have CL and that's an issue and, if reports are believed, we tried on both fronts, were rebuffed on Willian and, but for third party ownership, got close on Moutinho. Same issues exist today only Moutinho has now suggested he is looking at other teams (Serie A) and willian is still in the CL and wont be coming until the summer at the earliest. So, like Leandro, I presume you are ok with AVB waiting. I am not. Moutinho is not what we need. Fellaini and michi, same money, both can be had, both would hit the ground running. COYS
peterballb
Frank - are Chelsea realistic rivals? they spent £92 million on new players in the last transfer window.
MrSpurs
asher..... not a brick has been laid. Not even out to tender yet and the tendering process takes a year plus a six month cooling off period post tender. 2018 at the earliest before there's a bum on a seat.
thfc1882whl
Yes but are we or are we not in the process of building a new stadium? Another words, we are going to get a new stadium, are we not?
asherthesmasher
Chelsea spend about £90m every summer transfer window.
Guyver
asher..... As of yet, no we are not. We are putting up some pretty pictures in N17 though.
thfc1882whl
thfc1882whl - tender is out and has been agreed with McClaren Construction having won won the building rights, work wil start next summer.
MrSpurs
Pelebro, yes, on transfers, generally a profit and on salaries, which have gone up dramatically over the past five years, a loss, all to show a nominal loss or a nominal gain every year. We break even. Suggesting further outlay on players and salaries requires more revenue. Get in to the next round of the FA Cup and we'll have 200k more. Not a whole lot to work woth, is it? COYS
peterballb
wow West Brom concede 3 goals to Reading in the last 8 minutes to lose 3-2. Sounds like something we would have done.
Guyver
peterballb- Don't think Fellaini would be going anywhere this window. I assume Dimiao is out of reach too. I mean yeah, if Dimiao was saying, i demand a move, but he isn't. Again Willian is out of reach for us. It's looking rather bleak. I don't understand why we cannot add Holtby this window. I suppose we feel he wouldn't make an immediate impact. I think we are pretty much going to be looking like a team struggling for creativity for the rest of the season, but will be able to grind out enough results to get fourth. Unless we lose some key players to injury.
asherthesmasher
Peterballb, you’ve said a few times we couldn’t make the deal for Moutinho because of third party ownership. But over here it was widely reported that agreement had been reached but it was too late to get the paperwork through. I remember reading a detailed report in The Times on this, the gist of it being that early afternoon Spurs agreed a fee of 22/23m with Porto, but Moutinho and advisers couldn’t agree personal terms. This was eventually resolved at around 10 pm (with AVB’s intervention) but then Porto threw a spanner in the works by asking for another 4/5m. Levy wouldn’t agree but they compromised on 24/25m. They rushed the paperwork through with 10 minutes to spare but it was riddled with errors, the FA wouldn’t give an extension to correct it, so they gave up on the deal.
GARYKIR
MrSpurs.. A far as I was aware, McLaren construction are the builders of the new Sainsburys and the tender for the stadium itself is due to go out early this year.
thfc1882whl
Lots of frustrated Spurs fans on the forum today.
Fanman
Are we Asherthesmasher, how many bricks have been laid? The alleged finish date now 2018, how many more postponed finish dates to come, still not nailed on it will happen. I wouldn't believe a word, promise, or statement from ENIC, Levy or any of their lackies at any price. I wouldn't believe Levy if he said it was raining, until I looked out of the window to check.
Frank
McLaren construction are the builders for stage 1 of the NDP and that consists of, Sainsburys. Just Sainsburys, no stadium, unless of course we'll be playing in the car park on some fruit and veg grass ;-)
thfc1882whl
We drew away to a team that played right in front of their goal keeper for 90 minutes. Yes we need creativity and a clinical striker, but we aren't too badly off.
Fanman
MrSpurs, I believe ENIC would invest if they could find players the coach wants, who want to come on wages that fit, and who the other team is willing to sell at a fair market value. All so simple yet so rare. COYS
peterballb
thfc1882 does that mean the "the wally with the brolley" with the Dutch accent will be the Clerk of Works.
Frank
peterballb, so you and I both agree that AVB should be backed and given the cash to buy Willian and Moutinho, as do many thousands of other Tottenham fans. Unfortunately for the club and it's fans Lewis and Levy have rarely agreed with their coaches or their customers in 13 seasons. I cant see things changing... But I sincerely hope Levy proves me wrong and goes out backs AVB and does the business now. ENIC have 13 seasons to do it on the slowly, slowly approach. It's time for them to act in the here and the now, or AVB could become the next casualty in a long list of Daniel Levy casualty's ... So no, I am not OK with AVB waiting. It's time for Lewis to deliver and back his new coach! Lets not forget that no coach in the entire ENIC era has ever had time on his side...
pelebro
Tomorrow Valencia v Sevilla, let's see if Negredo starts in this one, if not it may just be his on his way, because we need fresh blood and options to the way we play, game after game we dominate play, with defoe we can't gamble on that ball into the box, everything has to be to feet, i've noticed how he starts to come looking for the ball, he has nothing to run onto, his marked because we keep playing across the park, his trying to find space, his a goal poacher, that's his game, Ade has a first touch like an orange box and gets in his way.
spu 4 life
thfc - I'm fairly sure that McClaren have won the tender for the stadium as well.
MrSpurs
Wages that would fit with what Peterbalb, the Levy model that bears scant resemblance to what others pay. A fair market value, that equates to 50% of true value for buy-ins, and 125% of true value for sales out, those are the rules according to Levy, hence zero transfer activity, no squad strengthening, all monies duly trousered by HMRC's best friend Bahamas Joe.
Frank
ENIC; NEW STADIUM, LEVY; they don't play every week, so how can the blame be them every time it goes ti7s up. if it did today, 0-0 it was that @12-45 and so it finished we had to clear chances all game, missed by togo.
spu 4 life
we would have stood a better chance of scoring with LEGO
spu 4 life
Pelebro, I agree AVB should be backed. I do not agree Moutinho is needed. Regardless, nothing in what you, I, Levy, AVB wants will make Willians CL go away or make Moutinho's third parties go away. COYS
peterballb
No THFC1882, we aren't skint. But we have been averaging under 5M in profits per annum for a while in total operations and we have been spending and borrowing for land acquisition for the stadium so a lot of our cash inflow has been diverted for that use. I'm feeling that the club just don't have the borrowing power to spend 40M on two players. You may find that if we can get someone for 10-12M for wages of 60-70k a week that would be the type of player we would go after. Purely from a financial angle I don't see a Moutinho or a Damiao (as much as i would like to be wrong). If Negredo would fit that price range, he might be the one.
jvd
peter - this time last year Levy sanctioned a free transfer of Ryan Nelson and £1M deal for Louis Saha. I dont think there was ever the intention to really back Harry Redknapp and now we're seeing that again with AVB. It doesnt need to be a £20 million pound player but we need to strenghen to guarantee CL football. Its Levy's job to find those players which AVB wants and sort a deal out even if means paying slghtly more that what the player is worth.
MrSpurs
spu 4 life, who is this LEGO you speak of? What team does he currently play for lol.
Fanman
Never mind how much profit we make, how much serviceable debt do we have. How many successful (by the proper measure, on the pitch) football clubs work are without substantial, but serviceable and manageable debt, answer none. By the same token how many people who want to buy a house, do so without serviceable, manageable debt, debt is what keeps us all functioning. We have been fed this "running a tight ship" bollox for 13 years, during which we have won 1 trophy and had 1 CL qualification. I am old enough to remember with pride, when compared to us Arsenal were a joke, we had the bragging rights. They then built a new stadium, spent wisely on quality performers, and backed their coach (incidently they haven't had 8 coaches in the period in question), and low and behold they have won numerous trophies, and had 14 successive CL seasons, all during the ENIC period at Spurs, why? Could it be that this success is not the ENIC priority, more to increase the sales value of the business and to sell at a healthy profit in the future, all to the detriment of the success on the pitch. Ultimately there will be no advantage to the fans only ENIC and it's shareholders.
Frank
Frank, that's a little fairer. Levy and ENIC operate within the parameters Lewis allows. As they are all still around, and as he still counts us as a going concern, I presume they are doing as directed. It doesn't make me happy, but I have issues blaming Levy for living within a budget. COYS
peterballb
i dont see why we should panic into buying somebody on the slide like Schneider for massive amounts. We have a problem when sides sit back deep against us, other top teams suffer the same problems and find ways around them week in week out. Yes a different type of play might well help but not at stupid money for someone ageing and not proven in the prem. A dofferent type of striker could well help or Dembele pushed further forward could help. Tactics during the game could always be improved, not switching Bale and Lennon might be a good example of this. H
tophobunty
Media claim Harry as a tactical genius - more points at home and relegated by Easter. Perfect.
Windlespur
Having Townsend on the bench or pitch as a game changer could help also, he is raw, risk taker and scary pace and he doesnt always need to be played down the flanks, why not off the striker, its would be unexpected and it would be awful to defend against. Either way we need to try something different because i think thats now 4-5 games we have dominated and not won.
tophobunty
Mr. Spurs thereby lies the problem, you say it is our Mr. Levy's job to find the players that AVB wants, he can't, he can't do the bloody job. DOB is a "football person's job", not a graduate in land economy, somebody who can "see a Player". There are numurous examples in the PL of players who have been found i.e. Ba and Cisse, Mutu, Cabaye, Hernandez, Cazorla etc.etc. The only players we try to "find", have all been on the back pages of the "Red Tops" for weeks, and on everybody else's radar, hence we can't, or won't, afford them. As much as he was maligned, the guy that "found" our quality players at Spurs was Damien Commolli i.e. Bale, Modric, BAE, Berbatov,etc.etc. all curve balls at the time, all cheap, some already sold at massive profit, and one will be (Bale) in the near future. The only notable signings by Levy, with the possible exception of Sandro, i.e. VDV, Vertonghen, Lloris, Dembele etc.etc. didn't have to be "found" they were there obvious to everybody, only needed signing. Anybody with the required skills would never have signed Nelson and Saha last January. We won't "find" any players until we get a proper DOF who has the contacts, and knowledge, to get out there and do it, something that somebody like Graham Carr would have been able to do.
Frank
Arsenal and Liverpool wont stay this bad forever we need to take this opportunity and do everything we can to establish ourselves as a Champions League club - that means investing in the first team and now is a good opportunity to keep the momentum and add player that can make a difference during January.
MrSpurs
Its been some time since I've been on here but no way forgotten. I can't say I have missed him (HR) spouting off, my weekends ruined by him and his self-promotionn in the past but not any more. All I would say, we are 100% better off without him. Lets forget about him...bring in a decent striker and we are top 4 guaranteed let alone top 2! Otherwise we will come unstuck and not score against the bottom club.
Pride 1882
Frank - I agree 100% Levy is a great bean counter but not a football man. He should have employed a David Dein type figure at the club a long time ago who would have planned the clubs future as Levy counted the pennies. Instead Levy has tried to do it all with varying degrees of success.
MrSpurs
From the Guardian on today's match: "Emmanuel Adebayor's impact after his early miss was such that one wondered whether he had already left for the Africa Cup of Nations."

ouch!

Total knobhead
TKNOB...that could have been said since October of Adebeyor
tophobunty
Frank, the only teams that can manage their "serviceable" debt are United, Arsenal, fulham, Spurs and perhaps a couple of others. Chelsea, Liverpool and City are all spending more than they make every year. QPR have spent 20M more in transfers than they have recouped, not including salaries. If they go down, it could be them done for a decade. Villa allowed MON to spend based on a hope and a prayer. Lambert has to rebuild from a deficit and can't add anything. Birmingham did the same. Levy and ENIC run the financials well.

It is also ludicrous to think Levy is identifying and buying targets. He is trying to secure the talents identified by AVB and his staff and scouts. That's his job. Get the deal done if it can be done. COYS
peterballb
when a team sits deep (parks the bus) you need players able somehow to get behind them, more than one way or type of player to do that BUT BUT BUT Sig and Dempsey and NOT NOT NOT that type of player, they wont change it, they dont go past players, they dont have pace, they dont have quick feet. So this is where we are weak. We need a different tupe of player than what we have. When teams come out to play against us we have man for man just about as good as anyone, but more of the bottom half just wont do it. This is our learning, we saw it the previous two seasons and Pikey was not good enough to do anything about it. We have seen it this season as early as WBA at home, the question rermains is AVB good enough to change it?
tophobunty
Peter you are dead right ref Levy, no way does he id targets, el stupido, who suggested that?
tophobunty
Worse players this season so far Walker and Ade. It is time for Levy to realise without a striker who has good movement and class we will struggle to get goals against lower sides who park the bus or defend with all their heart. It is becoming apparent Lennon and Bale are not as good against these teams neither played well and Bale once again reverted back to roaming and did very little. If Bale was world class then he should be able to beat any player playing at RB and not need to roam about so much. Lennon best work has been when he has bombed through the middle on the attack but today he gave little. Defoe is back to Defoe not scoring and hence not giving us much but Ade is worse.

Teams like Arsenal and Chelsea when they beat teams they score loads of goals we don't so that shows were we lack and it will be costly at end of season due to goal difference. Chelsea will come good Arsenal will be difficult to knock out of the top four we have been here before we need goals a striker that can consistently score. Now is it lack of creativity in the middle or is it lack of movement by the forwards I would say both. Dembele is good but he is not as good as people make out he isn't scoring and he is not creating. Sandro/Parker are the tacklers so Dembele should be the creator/scorer he is not. So in my view we need a striker and creative/scorer midfielder. Parker did well when he came on.
thfan
buy moutinho and then move dembele in advance role, his dribbling will unlock defences. dembele is not a centre midfielder he was a striker/cf , and if demebele is out whos gonna play alongside sandro/parker?
redknappslayer
Press saying that AVB has said "he is happy with a point", what a hidious statement, how can you be happy with a point when you play the bottom club in the league, have 16 shots on goal with 7 on target, and the opposition have 1 on target and they are at home. How can anybody be happy with a point in those circumstances, it is just an incredible comment.
Frank
Peter - Levy is responsible for hiring the manager and setting the club structure i.e. DoF. One trophy in 13 years would suggest he has got it wrong more times than he has got it right.
MrSpurs
agree Frank if he said that it's not the type of ambition I want...he might be the only "spurs" man/woman who is happy with this draw
tophobunty
Sky Sports claiming we might be about to hijack Newcastle's bid for Remy. If the figure is a lot more reasonable than previously quoted then he wouldn't be bad. If he'd been on the bench today we could have brought him on up front or on the wings to give us a different dimension, he'd have been an option at least.
Spurs Allday
Ask your self this. How many top 6 teams will come away from Loftus Road with just a point? Not many I would venture to say. Ade didn't turn up, suprise suprise. Dembele out muscled the whole game. Naughton skinned time after time. Defoe ran out of ideas Lennon lost interest, Daws thought we were playing a rugby leauge game. Sandro injury a massive blow and the first half was played in slowmotion. NEED Moutiniuo and Negredo NOW before anymore damage is done.
pratts bottom
I don't believe for one minute AVB is happy with a draw today. I'm sure he's just trying to put a positive spin for the media, like nearly all managers do - or find someone/something to blame. Bur he'll know and feel that's it's two wasted points today. Of course, he'll also know where the problem lies, and hopefully this gives him more leverage with Levy, assuming Levy's not on board.
GARYKIR
...sorry! Matt Holten and Big C! Which side am I on? Wake up and smell the coffee....we got turned over today by Recarro Redcrapp, twitch face, you know him, the clown who only has one plan and no Plan B, the man who ruined Spurs by buying dads army players...well HR's dads army stopped us getting a win today...and every one in the Spurs supporters end knew that Harry Redcrapp had outsmarted AVB....we were clueless, we were the one's that had no Plan B....so let that be a lesson to everyone on here .......HR's tactics today were spot on and we had no answer to them....and once again, just when we needed those 3 points, we blew it....we could have taken them apart but we were clueless as to how to do it.....AVB, our tactical genious, has learnt a lesson today...we should have stuffed QPR today and we didnt.....Bale was neutraised and Lenny was marked out of the game...Dembele didnt know who to pass too and Naughton was the wrong choice for this match...but heh! who am I to say ...Let the self appointed AVB cheer leaders on here make their excuses for todays result...bottom line, we were not good enough , and against who?....the team at the bottom of the league managed by a baffoon who hasn't got a tactical clue ......We will rise from this result and against Manure we will be better but HR did a number on us today so anyone who has dissed HR here .....check it out....outwitted and out thought and 3 points blown, once again, against lower opposition...
OyVeh Maria
What we could do with is someone in the final 3rd with a bit of trickery. We rely too much on raw pace & when teams back off it nullifies us. A few tricks in & around their penalty area could buy us a decisive free kick or maybe hit the jackpot with a penalty.
Spurs Allday
For all the praise of QPR the fact remains we got in behind, had a clear goal scoring chance & blew it. Top sides only need one sniff. RVP(yuk) would have scored & UTD would have won 0-1. That's the difference. They were set up well but not THAT well because we still had a very simple chance to win it.
Spurs Allday
Sticking 11 men behind the ball, without even playing a recognised forward, on your own ground, hardly constitutes a tactical masterplan. Christ, I could have come up with that for £3 a year, let alone the £3m HR is on.
GARYKIR
Spot on Spurs Allday. It's the one thing holding us back from going up a level.
GARYKIR
Remy's recent performances suggest he maybe more of a Newcastle player, than a Spurs player, would far rather have Negredo, far more prolific goal scorer.
Frank
I agree there Frank. Part of me is hoping that if we brought in Remy we'd still go after Negredo to give our firepower a much needed boost but unfortunately that probably wouldn't be the case.
Spurs Allday
Remy is NOT the man we need
tophobunty
GARYKIR the worrying thing is I'd have more faith in Jan Vertonghen scoring that "one chance" than what I'd have in either of our strikers!
Spurs Allday
I've not seen much of Negredo but had the chance we fluffed today fallen to Huntelaar or Damiao we'd be going home with 3 points
Spurs Allday
OyVey...a dead chicken knows the way to play us is sit back and hope to squeek a point or even luckier a win. Thank you for pointing out redknapp is as tactically astute as a dead chicken. Most of us on here had realised that about 2 years ago. Where he is more astute than a dead chicken is tax evasion and manipulating the media to fool morons. Looks like he has one or two fooled on here again today. Ohwell OyVey.
tophobunty
Strikers at the top just give you that feeling that they won't miss so much as a half chance. Neither of our strikers give me that confidence. Any chance falls to them, even a simple one, makes me want to look away.
Spurs Allday
I FORGOT YOU must be a tactical genius to get a 0-0 draw at home, silly me. Off to pay my tax. Silly me.
tophobunty
I agree that if we're to sign one striker then Remy is certainly not that man. If we were to sign him I'd hope the idea would be to use him on the right of a 433, but he's certainly not prolific enough to play as a No9. As a striker he'd be no better than what we have & they already aren't good enough.
Spurs Allday
OyVeh Maria, do you not think that you're being hyper critical and over-reacting? We tried to break down QPR, but ultimately we didn't. Had Ade taken his chance it would of been a different game, but it just wasn't our day. Considering our recent run of results, how can you be so critical? Also how have you come to the conclusion that Redknapp outsmarted AVB? What is so clever or tactical in putting 11 men behind the ball and defending inside your own 18 yard box?
Fanman
Viyash Ramosh, you are a phecking terd
Cape Town Spurs
cape town looks like you agree with 99.9% on here
tophobunty
Football is a funny old game... Real Madrid just drew 0-0 with Osasuna, who are bottom of the league. They must be $hit... As a side note, another game spent on the bench by Modric.
Fanman
Fanman Real Madrid's manager is obviously clueless.
Spurs Allday
Negredo is playing now if anyone is interested.
Fanman
Negredo plays and is captain, does not look like he is about to be sold
tophobunty
Spurs Allday, in all honesty, you might just be right! Maybe Jose is losing it. How can he keep a player like Modric on the bench? Especially after paying 33 million for him. He's just what they needed on the pitch today. Modric is a mile better than Alonso. Kaka got sent off, and he didn't even make any changes to compensate. He did look clueless today.
Fanman
Its difficult to criticise Mourinho because of all that he's won, but I've always thought that he was overrated. He's a cheque book manager.
Fanman
not sure mourinho had a big check book when he won the CL with Porto
tophobunty
I think that post-match comment from AVB is selective/lazy journalism According to Sky interview, he said:

"We're a bit disappointed, but we'll take a point away from home and I think it's the first time we haven't scored for quite some time."

"The boys did well. We came out strong at the beginning and strong in the second half, we just couldn't keep the momentum."

"Maybe we didn't create as much as normal but we still take the point against a team that's just won away from home (at Chelsea) and is full of confidence."

"Julio made some great, great saves, and in the end they are decisive because if you score one it unlocks QPR."

"They're well organised, they defend well and can hit you on the counter, so to get that first goal was important for us. It's a pity we couldn't take those chances."
Critical_Spur
Was he a check book manager when he won the CL with Porto, and with Inter Milan's OAPs,
Frank
I would't consider Remy after he turned us down last year when Harry went and saw him several times. Apparently Harry tried for him again for QPR but Remy avoided meeting him. Newcastle would probably suit him. I'd prefer Negredo for our IMMEDIATE needs and Damaio for long term. But knowing Levy he'll find some last minute bargain!
Critical_Spur
He says he is "the special one" and he is. I think he is bored at RM and is trying to get them to sack him, probable reason for the Cassillas (spelling) affair, dropping an icon to wind up the president.
Frank
OyVeh Maria's comments merit a response. I suppose I am one of those whom he would characterize as a self appointed AVB cheerleader. I agree with him that in this one match HR had the better of it and AVB was out coached. But over the long haul I would not want HR at our club. In this one off, he won (a draw was a victory for QPR and a loss for Spurs given expectations). HR is not the man to build something for distance. AVB strikes me as someone who is. They don't think in the same time reference. Harry plugs holes the keep the boat from sinking. AVB builds a crew for future journies. But let's not mistake today's mild disappointment with a disaster. AVB is the better man for the job at Spurs. Harry's time was up. Congrats to the old man (he's four months younger than I am), but I wouldn't have him back. Harry come through big time in short run situations. He exceeded everyone's expectations during our run in the CL two years ago and we knocked out the two Milan clubs, which no one expected. But he also coached us the last two years to early season success and second half collapse. He's got his strengths, but I thank the gods daily that he's gone and AVB is here now.
Total knobhead
tophobunty and Frank, I'm quite sure that Jose had all the top players in the Portugese league and the Italian league respectively. There's no way he took two average sides to Champions League glory.
Fanman
theirs no doubt about it mourinhos stock is not as high as it once was.and the way he manages every single player needs to work tooth and nail for him to succeed,and i dont think players are prepared to do that,
ghulamville
If I remember correctly, Inter parked the bus when they won the Champions League against Bayern Munich. Milito scored on the counter atttack to win the game. Mourinho is well known for parking the bus and hitting teams on the counter, if he's up against a good team.
Fanman
Negredo is looking a bit static tonight no? I don't think that he's the answer to our striker problems.
Fanman
I prefer having AVB rather than Jose "the special one" Mourinho. I'd take either one of them over HR.
Total knobhead
I think AVB's mistake today was starting Naughton instead of Benny. When Naughton got into the attacking third he didn't really have any idea what to do with it. Benny would've put in a cross with his left-foot, or got in behind the QPR defence, by giving it to Bale or overlapping Bale. Bale and Lennon switiching flanks was just a fail tactic. We had two right footed players on the left that have to cut inside. That said, Walker wasn't able to overlap or play Lennon in either. I think that AVB made the right substitutions though. There just wasn't enough space on that tiny pitch. I think that we'll do better against united, because there will be space for us to play into. I hope Roony isn't fit for that game as he always does well against us.
Fanman
MrSpurs, yes, it would be nice to have more titles. In the FA Cup, the past 26 years has seen ManU-6, Chelsea-6, Arsenal-6, Liverpool-4, Spurs-1, Everton-1, City-1, Pompey-1. In the League Cup, over those same 26 years, ManU-4, Chelsea-3, Arsenal-2, Liverpool-4, Spurs-2, Leicester-2, Villa-2, Nottingham Forest-2, Birmingham-1, Middlesborough-1, Luton-1, Sheffield Wednesday-1, Blackburn-1. The EPL, since inception has seen ManU-12, Arsenal-3, Chelsea-3, City-1, Blackburn-1 and if you add the six years before the PL you get Liverpool-2, Leeds-1, Everton-1, with Arsenal adding 2 more.

Point is, other than ManU, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool we have been as goo, if not better than the rest. Other than those 4 clubs, no one wins titles. It's just too tough with the rigours of the PL and the other competitions. Look how many of those clubs are not even in the PL. We need to win more. We now have a coach who looks to compete on all four fronts. That is great. As for blaming Levy, I really can't. ManU, Chelsea, City, Arsenal and Liverpool can all outspend us. Take them out of the equation and we're the best of the rest. It takes a lot of time and success to get up there. Only 2 titles, none since 1961 and we have only been top 3 15 times in total, none since the late 80's. How one can blame all this on Levy is beyond me. When the PL came in, we were as well placed as anyone. We missed that window. It wasn't Levy's doing. Since ENIC took over, we have gone from being part of the rest to best of the rest. Everton and Villa are no longer our measuring stick, it's now everyone but ManU. I could be happier, but I will not throw ENIC under the bus. They have done well. Not great. Well. COYS
peterballb
fanman you might just be the only person in the world to view Mourhino as overrated, its good to be unique
tophobunty
agree ref Naughton, he will never be a top left back, he should have played him at right back with BAE LEFT BACK...That would have given Walker a kick up the chinese laundry.
tophobunty
agree ref Naughton, he will never be a top left back, he should have played him at right back with BAE LEFT BACK...That would have given Walker a kick up the chinese laundry.
tophobunty
Fanman, the Inter team was past it's sell by date as Benetez proved when he followed Jose into there when he left. I love Mourinho, particularly due to how he could out mind game that cheating red nosed prat at Man U, that was awesome.
Frank
TK, I don't agree that Harry got the best of AVB. Our setup was fine. We just didn't convert. Cesar made three great saves and Defoe and Adebayor looked as bad as they have of late. Adebayor scores on the Defoe rebound and the game is probably over at the half. As with WBA and several other games this season, we squandered all of our early chances and allowed the opposition to get their feet under them. Clean sheet, only a couple of real chances against, so I'd say it was a good performance but for the last third. Short of starting Dempsey and Ade, I fail to see what other players AVB could have brought on, or what formation he could have used to make 11 behind the ball less daunting. Walker and Bale had free kicks from great positions and missed the net. Chances, we had them. Just didn't take them. COYS
peterballb
tophobunty, I know other people who think that Mourinho is overrated. I suppose we must be in some kind of unique club. Its alot easier for a manager to win things when he has the best players available to him. I'm not saying that he isn't a good manager, I just think that he is overrated. He was very poor today. perhaps he doesn't care because he knows that he'll be leaving Real in the summer, but what kind of manager displays apathy when the club is paying his wages? I wouldn't be surprised if he was sacked before the sason is finished. He can't win La liga anymore so he just gives up on it. Real looked absolutely clueless without Ronaldo.
Fanman
So Harry made OyVeh Maria day by outwitting AVB, shame Harry couldn't work his tactical magic for the same fixture last year. Real shame because had we not been beaten by QPR we would have qualified for the CL.
ItalianYiddo
fanman, i know people who think Hitler was attractive because he had a nice moustache and wore women's underwear
tophobunty
Peterbalb, the truth is, as I and many others have been saying, and will continue to do so until 31/01, AVB's hands are tied, because he doesn't have anybody that presents a significant goal threat, we need to buy a striker, but unfortunately it looks as though we will have to make do with what we have, the wallet is closed, and every team that is prepared to "park the bus" for a point, will cause us to drop points, costing us dear.
Frank
Frank, I dunno if the Inter team was past it. They were a good side 3 years ago. They had sneijder, Milito, Maicon, Lucio, Cambiasso etc. To be honest I don't really like Mourinho, but he did really rattle Fergie's cage which is admirable. Tophobunty, hopefully Benny will start at LB against united. I think that we'll be much better with Benny and Bale on the left. Its the logical thing to do. I'd rather Naughton started at right-back against united. he;s alot more solid than Walker. I don't know why AVB is persisting with Walker?
Fanman
tophobunty, no need to be so cynical. Its just my opinion.
Fanman
Agreed Fanman, I don't get AVB's persistence with Walker but he is the one that sees players everyday in training
ItalianYiddo
main thing is fanman Naughton is not and never will be a left back, he restricts us too much going forward and is suspect if someone has a go at him often, he cant tackle naturally with his left foot. He might just be a top top right back though. Walker has stood still at best last 12 months, so Naughton should be given a start or two soon at right back. I would much prefer Verts there is BEA was not fit with Caulker at CB. But now BAE is fit it must be him at left back.
tophobunty
ItalianYiddo, that's true. But Walker is guaranteed to make at least one critical error per game. He gets forward quite well, but that's about it. Naughton has only made one critical mistake, that back pass in the europa league that led to a goal against us. If AVB picks him at RB against United wuth Naughton at LB I am going to scream!
Fanman
tophobunty, agreed. I don't get AVB's thinking playing Naughton at LB when Benny and Verst are avialable. I wish that managers would explain their team selections.
Fanman
*Verts*
Fanman
and another thing fanman i just dont get, is the switching Lennon and Bale when things might not be going 100%, i dont ever remember it making things better...i do like Lennon bursting through the middle and to a degree Bale, but Bale is not as disciplined in doing it as Lennon is, and ends up getting in the way too often. This just doesn't work for me and I am surprised at the length of time they worked this way today, ending up with Lennon coming off, one assumes because he played less well than recently, well of course he would because he was playing out of position with a guy playing out of position behind him.
tophobunty
For the United game I'm expecting BAE at lb and Naughton at rb.
ItalianYiddo
How long can we keep going over the same old ground before the penny drops....we need a striker, we need creativity in the middle, BALE PLAYS ON THE LEFT ffs!...either the owners are morons, tight or just don't give a feck but they are taking the ***** out of their own customers!....AVB needs to learn the last one just like he learnt to play the best keeper...
shedboy2
"TK, I don't agree that Harry got the best of AVB," peterballb.

peter, i stand by what I wrote in the sense that Harry was tickled to get a point out of the match, whereas AVB could not have been happy with it. In this sense, Harry go the best of AVB. Cruel assessment perhaps, but, as is said, this is a results business, and Harry got a result that would put a smile on his face, and AVB did not. Other than that, AVB could have taken three points with a wee bit of luck and Harry could not. (QPR didn't even get a single shot on goal, so clearly Spurs were the better team.) But Harry got what gave him pleasure and AVB came away with disappointment. That's my meaning.

Total knobhead
Just watched the highlights of Reading vs West Brom. It was nice to see an actual football match, rather than one team sitting in their own 18 yard box, with the other team constantly trying to pass the ball around them...
Fanman
"i know people who think Hitler was attractive because he had a nice moustache and wore women's underwear," tophobunty.

got a video of that? I'd love to see it, with or without Eva.

Total knobhead
tophobunty, agreed. I voiced my concerns about Bale and Lennon switching wings earlier in this thread. It just doesn't work, and as you say I can't remember ever seeing it work. It just makes us more narrow, which we didn;t need to be in this game. It makes you wonder if AVB knows what he's doing? And you're right, Lennon is a much more disiplined player than Bale. Bale just runs with his head down and crosses into the box or shoots. Two out of position players on the left hand side poor good tactics. Makes you wonder if AVB knows what he's doing, or if the team is carrying him, because we have quality.
Fanman
Maybe AVB had the Villa game in mind when Naughton played that lovely through ball for Defoe, while Villa were parking the bus.
Fanman
ItalianYiddo, hopefully.
Fanman
MOTM poll will be interesting. You have to ask yourself who actually played well today? Lloris is an exception as he had nothing to do & Sandro was unfortunate with injury but otherwise there's only Vertonghen I can think of who's performance didn't annoy me.
Spurs Allday
shedboy2, maybe we should flood TH with emails saying BALE PLAYS ON THE LEFT! maybe then AVB will stopplaying him out of position. Bale and Lennon both have pace so what's the point of switching them? Maybe AVB thinks that they'll cut in and shoot like Adam Johnson or Messi lol...
Fanman
Chelsea showing how to cut through Stoke, we don't have the players to interplay like that.
Fanman
TK, both managers needed three points. This really was a huge game for both. I don't think either got the better of the other.

Frank, agreed. A striker is an absolute necessity. y suggestion, if Levy or AVB are listening. Negredo is being flogged. Buy him. 14-16M and he is a true striker. Sign Heung-Min Son. True AMF who can play right across the top and who is technically brilliant. Set-pieces, corners. Great team player. 25M would get them both and they'd be on salaries we could afford. If that's too rich, Guidetti, Castaignos and Son. 20M tops. Sell Hudd and Rose to recoup a third to a half of the fees and to free up some wages. If that too is too much, Son and Mitroglou. Better still, go all in (for Spurs) Benat, Negredo and Son. Wing, string-puller and striker. Under 40 M (what we paid for Keane, Crouch and Defoe) and the team is sorted. COYS
peterballb
Your opinion is as valuable as is mine, peterballb. Harry will have been happy to have taken four of a possible six points from Chelsea and Spurs. AVB cannot be happy to have allowed QPR to cost us two points. But, I see your perspective and respect it. But I stand by my opinion. AVB must be the more disappointed man tonight of the two.
Total knobhead
I think Harry would have taken a point before the game, I doubt AVB would.
Guyver
Fanman, City an Chelsea should be taken out of the equation, spending millions year in and year out it will guarantee titles and the best players....money can't buy you love but it will get you everything else...
ItalianYiddo
It didn't matter what wing Bale or Lennon was on, there was no service. Mackie and SWP were out there to close off the channel from the FB's and we had no one in the middle who was effective due to the bullying of Mbia and the efficiency of Park. We needed to be quicker and have more chemistry there. Dembele had no one to work off of because Ade and Defoe, together or apart, at the moment are pants. COYS
peterballb
Though the wide areas were poor today our inability to trouble them through the center was even worse. Derry, Hill & Nelson have a combined age of 104 & we didn't even trouble them enough to get any of them booked!
Spurs Allday
TK, on form and table position, fair. But we were still away to a team with their backs against the wall. Our pressure had to come from within and we just weren't desperate enough and with Defoe and Adebayor up top, are nowhere near clinical enough. COYS
peterballb
money can't buy you love, but it can buy plenty of sex. Rich owners treat their clubs and supporters like street hookers.
Total knobhead
"Our pressure had to come from within and we just weren't desperate enough," peterballb.

exactly. AVB didn't have the lads driving with sufficient inner strength today. they had the possession, they had ALL the shots on goal in the match, but they didn't have the inner strength to take the three points. Harry ended up the happier man because of this.

but i'd much rather have AVB over the long haul. Harry runs first hot, then cold cold cold. AVB runs on and even keel, which is needed for the long haul. Hope he's at N17 for a couple of decades.

Total knobhead
ItalianYiddo, ha, ha that's true. I think that Chelsea and City are averaging 100 million a season on transfers. Maybe more.
Fanman
I thinks it's too simple to blame the strikers, imo the midfield combo of Sandro/Parker & Dembele isnt best equipped to break down these defensive walls. None have the vision or passing ability to set up attacks before the opposition defence is set, in the same way Scholes did to us at OT. All top teams have (need) a great passer in midfield, for good reason.
Guyver
We definately need better strikers than Ade and Defoe. We need a striker who can link the midfield and attack. Ade did that last season, but this season he looks lost. Defoe is always trying to make space to shoot, never seen him once play a through pass.
Fanman
Berbatov is ridiculously lazy for Fulham.
Fanman
Fickle, we battered them. PeterB, we already have last seasons Michu in Siggy. Both your suggestions won't be available. Yes we need more attacking players but we still have 6 players not playing and sat on 40k plus a week. I think AVB will get the backing but not until the summer. Keep the faith!
RAF Yid
Guyver, agreed. We don't have a playmaker and all of the top teams have one. We have strength, pace and power, but without a playmaker we're flat and lack ideas.
Fanman
Guyver, still think that we need better strikers though.
Fanman
Yea Fanman, also as you suggest we could definitely use a false 9, Sheringham/VDV type of forward to interact with the midfield more, but because we have Siggy, Demps and now Holtby, that position is clogged up enough as it is.
Guyver
I think that Sigurdsson is our best hope of unlocking defences. Hopefully he'll get a few games.
Fanman
Then god help us
Guyver
This alleged interest in Hamburg's Hueng Min Song, 20 year old utility forward, with 12 South Korean caps, looks an ideal Levy deal. He will cost £ 10M ish, and would perhaps sell 1,000,000 or so shirts @ £40 in Sth Korea. I can just imagine that cash register in Levy's head whirling round so fast it will overheat, and cause him a migraine.
Frank
Walker just has to be dropped for United, maybe Dawson too? If Wright-Phillips can get through us so easily, Imagine what United will do? Fergie will have definately identified Walker as our weakness.
Fanman
Guyver, indeed.
Fanman
Wright-Phillips didn't get through us so well that it led QPR to have shot on goal, though. Not a one. But no doubt that Walker isn't the player he was last season. Anyone have any notion as to why? Did he need the special attentions of Joe Jordan or something? lol. Seriously, though, why has he regressed from last season?
Total knobhead
yeah keep the faith, lol...we'll just wait another year...perhaps we'll buy a striker in the summer....then we'll need someone to replace bale...I'm not sure if Levy is such a loser he doesn't know when he's won....we had it, in our grasp....and he does f all. He gambles massively on AVB and then doesn't support him wtf? Peter- dis-agree re: the wings it mattered and that was part of the reason there was no service...Bale is not Ronaldo, Bale is not a striker, Bale is not a right winger...BALE PLAYS ON THE LEFT...discipline when he stays there it works, perhaps not for him but for the TEAM.
shedboy2
Has anyone heard anything of an injury report on Dembele? He seemed terrible today compared to other matches. Never seen the ball taken off from him like this before.
Total knobhead
all those people who come on this site and say how negative or depressing it is....it's not this site, it's not the same old gripes, it's our owners not removing their thumbs from their rs's...what happened to the Belhanda deal? c'mon Levy 3 weeks to try and save your reputation...
shedboy2
TK I think with Dembele he just met his (physical)match in Mbia. His ability to go past players owes a lot to his strength at holding players off but Mbia was just too strong for him.
Spurs Allday
Fanman- sing, He plays on the left, he plays on the left, Gareth Bale, he plays on the left!!
shedboy2
shedboy2 I read somewhere that Belhanda's torn a muscle whilst with the Moroccan squad. So that's probably put any transfer on hold.
Spurs Allday
Mbia was bullying us a bit, good thing he can't pass.
Guyver
Spurs Allday- if so that'll delay that until at least 2020...;) thanks.
shedboy2
Spurs Allday, you give a credible explanation. I hope he's not injured, but I've never seen him dispossessed so often. Astonishing.
Total knobhead
Mbia's useful at that level. He breaks things up well, runs around a lot is extremely strong but anything more than the basics & he shows how limited he is. He'd look very ordinary in a side that dominates possesion.
Spurs Allday
I know some on here get fed up hearing us harp on about needing this player or that player but it gets so frustrating knowing that all we need is two players to push us onto the next level. If it was a mass overhaul then fair enough be sensible & do it over time but when all we need is two signings surely it's worth taking a hit?
Spurs Allday
Well i think we should think about smashing our transfer record to get Dimiao if at all possible. This is the player AVB seems to want and i trust his judgment. Come on Levy, back your man.
asherthesmasher
Total knobhead, if Wright-Phillips had his shooting boots on we'd of lost. He dribbled past Walker and Dawson, like they were Sunday league defenders. Dawson always, always gets done by pace. Dawson is great at everything else defensive wise, but he's useless against pace. Walker just needs to be dropped.
Fanman
I think Damiao & Willian would make us top 3/title contenders. Risk vs Reward surely the reward is worth it?
Spurs Allday
We miss Kaboul's pace. We'd be far better protected against the counter attack with him at the back.
Spurs Allday
there was no tactical mastery in what redknapp did, they were never going to win and if a team puts everyone behind the ball it will be very tough for us to. they were extremely effective in closing us down and for that they deserve credit. the ref did let them play a lot dirtier than many would and losing sandro so quickly was a real shame. the narrow pitch really doesn't do us any favours, we haven't won there in almost 20 years. Yes QPR are in trouble but they have real quality in that squad, too much to be where they are, its why harry took the job. one of their stars is a truly world class keeper and he won them their point today. we made the chances but didn't finish them. RVP would have needed one chance, defoe needs about nine on average, michu needs two. this window is tough though, imo swansea will never sell michu mid season nor will everton sell fellaini to us, a rival for fourth. willian won't move until the summer, we don't need to spend so much on moutinho now, while nedgredo might be too old for levy, and not quite good enough to justify the limited sell on value. leandro would be great for 15 million plus gomes, porobably not enough to get him, son ticks all the boxes. the player needs to want to come though. AVB has done most things right in my book, but he needs to show that he is happy to drop defoe at some point
Guernman
It surely is a mystery as to why Walker has deteriorated from his play of one year ago. Were we dreaming when he looked so promising then? As to Dawson, his pace is nonexistent and his passing is terrible. Other than that his Mum has every reason to be proud.
Total knobhead
Surely Levy won't leave us with Dempsey and Defoe as our striking options? We started the season at a disadvantage, lets hope that situation doesn't repeat itself. We should try to offer Sneijder a deal. He might not take it, but its worth a punt.
Fanman
The MotM poll sure is odd. Lloris didn't make a save at 56%. Adebayor at 11% when is was absent although present. Walket at 11% when he is terrible this season and today no different. The sole votes that make any sense at all are those for Vertonghen.
Total knobhead
Spurs Allday, agreed re: Kaboul. Total knobhead, I think the same thing that happen to Torres has hapened to Walker, a complete loss of form and ability. Walker is still decent going forward, but defensively he can be shocking. Guernman, I think that we should give Negredo a miss. If he was that good, one of the big Spanish teams would of snappec him up by now. I can't really think who we could buy? Maybe Falcao lol.
Fanman
MOTM poll should be titled "who annoyed you the least" Lloris wins by default because he had nothing to do.
Guyver
Torres was injured at Liverpool and then lost his form. What happened to Walker to have him lose his form? Did he need Harry's and Joe Jordan's outstanding coaching and AVB and Freund aren't good enough to keep him at the same level? (Just jesting.)
Total knobhead
Total Knobhead, who knows with Walker? I'm just hoping that he doesn't start against United. If clearly Naughton is the more capable, intelligent defender, since he can play well on both the left and the right. Walker would be completely lost on the left. Dammit he's lost on the right!
Fanman
Maybe he misses Kevin Bond?
Total knobhead
Still believe we'll get 4th though. Arsenal have City, Chelsea & Liverpool in quick succession & between the Bayern games they play us & Everton.
Spurs Allday
Some great posts as usual. The one about us being prostitutes from TK was particularly funny. lol......I still want at striker though. Can't believe we have been saying this as fans on various forums for not 1, not 2, not even 3 but a whole 4... FOUR!!! Years. For crying out loud. Unbelievable. Makes you wonder if we would be challenging the Manchesters right at the top in the last 2 seasons at least if we had more bite up front. Mmmm.. Still, could be worse. Harry could be in charge of us and we can look forward to another second half downward spiral. All things considered, still HAPPY DAYS.
Madaboutspurs
I just wanted to know if Levy´s Math is the same one I was teached at school. I mean, two good players, a playmaker and a striker are not worth a CL spot ?? And I´m no throwing a possible key players exit in case we fail to reach CL.....Sad.
AlexSpur
"....I´m not even considering the cost of losing...."
AlexSpur
AlexSpur, irregular verb, "the one I was taught at school." You caught the other one, I think. It's midnight here in Cabo do Santo Agostinho and I'm going to bed. I guess it's a one hour difference in São Paulo, rapaz, então, boa noite. até logo.
Total knobhead
TK, tks. Very tired, 1am in SP. Boa Noite
AlexSpur
FFS, how can you lot moan, 0-0 what do you expect the game was hyped up, QPR are fighting for their lives just beat chelsea 1-0 where we have not beat them in 20+ yrs at the bridge ... yeah should of got 3 points but was always going to be a hard game against 11 defenders AVB was not outclassed by twitchy it was just a game we was unfortunate not to win however we still got 1 point and move on.
E17YID
QPR away is always one of those games were we seem to struggle to get the right result. The small pitch and very compact ground reminds me of the old Dell at Southampton, were we also seemed to never get 3 points much!! Ade is just looking the same player as last term, except we are not creating the same amount of chances for him to convert into a goal every game!! Lets face it he seemed to need 3-4 clear chances a match last year to score...................so if he gets one open goal a game now, we can only expect one goal every 4 games return from him now!! lol
WestStandEnclosure
As a chelsea supporter myself i want to tell one thing to you guys. In AVB you have a manager who has the desire to win unlike harry. I really really hope that DL didnt screw up like last January. I want spurs to be in CL and fighting with chelsea for each and every point when we meet. That is what rivalry is all about. With Arsene is living in his deluded world that he is pocketing 8M per year but wont give any players the salary they deserve. If this season spurs achieve CL by finishing in 4th then there is a real possibility that you can build on to it. PL revenue will be in the range of 60M and from next season CL prize money also doubling. WENGER is doing his all to destroy his legacy at arsenal. So if DL is smart enough this time he will invest another extra 15 to 25M now to secure the top4 absolutely and build on it from next season. Liverpool is going through big transition. WENGER wont spend 5M on anybody unless he is a 17 year old boy. If spurs finish 4th this year then you can expect a real challenger from AVB for the title next season. Although i dont think you guys will be able to win it until you establish yourself in the top4 regularly. AVB and Chelsea is unfortunate and wrong man at the wrong time. With the team chelsea is having now if AVB is the manager now then from next year on wards we are a force to be reckoned with. RA and the board is clearing the deck for the new manager at chelsea to give a clean slate to build(cole,FL etc).So who ever comes in can build a proper team. Chelsea's transition is 70% finished. With a quality striker and DM and good CM we are as good as any team. With spurs also could build properly with your GK position is sorted. Defense is somewhat suspect but with gallas going and with some bargain additions AVB could tune it up a notch next season. With another world class CM and good striker you could easily build on and hang on to the top 4 from next season.
BlueAndWhiteArmy
Shedboy, keep the faith means just because we draw one game, doesn't mean we all start slattering every player (apart from Ade, simply awful) and saying we will never finish in the top half. We sit 4th, a position I would love to finish in. Clearly AVB doesn't have the players he wants, but Levy won't authorise too any big signings whilst we have Gomes, Jenas, Bentley, Gallas, Hudd, all on 40k+ a week, not playing.
RAF Yid
B and W Army, welcome. I agree with most of your points, not sure why Wenger is struggling but they still manage to qualify every year for the CL. Your point on our squad though is incorrect with defence, it has everything already, we have a very good squad of 8 defenders for these positions. (You are right about getting rid of Gallas though; I think he will go this window.) Midfield is strong in the middle with the exception of a playmaker, Holtby might solve this next season. Our real need though is a wide midfielder and another forward, everyone on this site knows this and asks whether Levy will get the cheque book out, not sure.
RAF Yid
RAF- not having a pop at you, It just becomes hard to keep faith in people who quite frankly are telling us porkies....if there was 30m+wages at the last second of last window to buy moutinho then we should be able to spend that now...but yet again (and this is where the frustration lies) we're in a window prevericating but this time with only one recognised striker...it's incompetant, negligent and just plain wrong.
shedboy2
Shed, I think Levy is genuinely trying to get the forward. Its always a difficult time to buy, the quality of player we require is normally involved in the CL, eg William. I still think this will be a difficult window, the summer will be different, the money will be increased due to numerous players off the books. We sit 4th and I still think we can maintain this. Yes we need another wide player and forward but I trust AVB.
RAF Yid
Frank - good to hear that you believe everything written in the press or attributed to avb now. Also, if he says we are happy, maybe it is a good psychological statement about the run we are on. If he says we do not need anyone, maybe it is the levy line or to not get price hikes, aka Harry, would love him - up the price. Bingo. Relax everyone, not our best performance, but we lost there last year and at least matched a team fighting for their lives for once. Agree though, striker needed.
Windlespur
We draw and it's a broken record with the same individuals posting the sane garbage... Do some of u know u probly posted the same crap about Levy/ENIC about 100 x ... Sad reality. I think the camp fires are still lit in the QPR half! They played with no strikers! 2 banks of 4 on the 18 yd line. It's disgraceful but shows us massive respect at the same time. If Ade could hit a barn door we would have won. I can't believe Le Ars and City fans were right about him! Disgrace to the shirt!
Mix26
mix couldn't agree more mate.
tophobunty
Rumours in the press (not the daily fail) that Everton may hijack the Holtby move by offering cash for him now. Seems that Shalke are interested as their not happy with allowing him to move on a free, add this to the fact that him and his dad are both Evertonians and you have a believable scenario.
thfc1882whl
Mix26...... I agree it's sometimes a broken record on here and I'll quite happily admit that I'm one of the main culprits main culprits main culprits main culprits main culprits.
Joking aside though mate, there's plenty on here who seem only too happy to stick their head in the sand, refusing to believe what's becoming more obvious with every passing transfer window. The board lacks ambition!
thfc1882whl
Park the bus with a formation of 7-3-0 & then completely phuck the pitch up on purpose knowing Spurs could play their passing game & you have a game of football that should never have been shown live on the telly .

Wasting time at home with the score 0-0 .worse case of anti football you`ll ever see .

Hope Adebayor has played his last game for us ,clearly need better in the final 3rd .The problem is just as much our bench ,it`s not good enough as you need that supersub game changer .Defoe himself was lucky to stay on .
big cockeral
Holtby himself gave an interview yesterday & spoke of how much he's looking forward to coming here. He's got English relatives who are Spurs fans who live fairly local & he intends to stop with them while he settles in. He's also talked up winning the title with us. The press are obviously having a slow day.
Spurs Allday
bigc i thought the pitch looked bad too, do you really think they did that?
tophobunty
tophobunty Defininetly ,no way a premier pitch should ever look like that .A passing team will be limited ,scandalous & the game was pretty embarrassing to watch ,hope todays games will repair the reputation of the EPL after yesterdays dire game . .

Good news about Sandro being available for next Sunday ,not serious
big cockeral
I thought only Wenger used the pitch excuse..
Guyver
A quick comment on ENIC as owners of Spurs. Could be much much worse. There's an interesting article in the Guardian on Birmingham's owners, who exemplify modern capitalism at its worst. They are the sort of owners that Mitt Romney has been (remember him, who said that 47% of Americans were lazy gits who wanted everything for free and that he and his ilk were the wealth creators and the job creators? yet Romney bought healthy companies, stripped their assets for sale, slashed their workers to the bone, dumped salaries and pension obligations, and left whole communities destitutes as they pocketed billions in profits.)

So what happened at Birmingham, for example. New owners come in (from Hong Kong in this case), begin selling assets--in this case football players contracts for the most part--raises ticket prices astronomically, paying "administrators," that is, themselves massive salaries for doing the gods know what, moving the profits to overseas banks in places like the Caman Islands so that owners can avoid paying taxes in the UK, and leaving the teams mired in massive debts. Prices are raised on visiting supporters to the point that no visiting supporters want to visit anymore, thus degrading the experience of being at a match since only home supporters and their songs are heard. If you think I'm talking about an isolated instance in Birmingham, remember the situation in Liverpool with their American owners until two years ago (and their saviors have been another set of American owners who, although not quite so barbaric and insensitive, have had no idea about football and how to invest. How the mighty have fallen and how quickly they fall when these capitalist vultures get a club in their clutches.(p)So, when ENIC look like a set of pikers unwilling to invest in some massive new contracts to bring in a new striker in the January window, remember that at least our books are well balanced.

But remember this, so long as the PL invited vulture capitalists to buy our clubs, every club remains at great risk. Ours, that goes back to 1882, could collapse quickly if ownership changes. And even the soaring clubs, owned by Russian mobsters or oil sheiks, is soaring only on whim. At a moment of pique these capitalist vultures can decide to strip a club of it's assets, set all its play contracts, and soar off with the pickings and bring their money to Moscow, or Qatar, or the Cayman Islands. Even a home grown capitalist like ours has his money in banks in such places, no?

beware of what it is for which you wish. You may get the apparent sugar daddy you've asked for only to find that our bones get picked clean. A luta pelo o socialismo, caros, with supporter boards holding the majority vote on what a team does. Allow vulture capitalism only at great moral peril and at the risk of everthing that supporters hold dear.

Total knobhead
Can't really blame the pitch when it's equally bad for both sides, especially when you consider that the best passer on the pitch yesterday was Tarrabt and he seemed capable of playing that killer pass. Might even be a case for saying it affected them more than it did us, just imagine if SWP hadn't kicked the ground when clean through.
thfc1882whl
Oh, and a top of the morning to you, gents. Power to the supporters! And hope your news about Sandro is correct, Big C. Top of the morning to you, lad. Good morning, McFly. lol.
Total knobhead
And ask a Man U supporter about the Glazers, who at least have kept Man U playing winning footie, but are leaving the club mired in massive debts. That club is on shaky financial footing in comparison to ours.
Total knobhead
I don't think Levy is trying to sign anyone.it happens in every transfer window. He simply doesn't care if we are in the Champions League or not, that is why he won't risk paying £20m for a striker or a top midfield player. For him, it is simply not worth the risk. another disappointing transfer window I am afraid and the inevitable fifth or sixth place finish will follow.
jonathan01
TK...... Hmmm, asset stripping and tax avoidance eh. Swathes of N17 and Chigwell owned by ENIC, no stadium but a nice new Sainsburys, a chairman who's degree is in Land Economy and a billionaire Bond villain running the show from his tax haven in the Bahamas. Are you trying to make an ironic comparison or are you really being serious?
I know the grass isn't always greener but when the grass on our side of the fence is becoming a Sainsburys car park, what ya gonna do.
thfc1882whl
Levy is going to leave you guys with egg on your faces ,something epic is on the horizon .
big cockeral
Hope you're right big c. I'd happily eat humble pie in exchange for a side capable of challenging for honours.
thfc1882whl
The pitch was atrocious........certainly not suited to our passing game.
LongTimeSpursFan64
thfc1881whl, asks whether I'm making an ironic comparison or really being serious. The answer is both. So far, ENIC has not stripped our assets, sold our contracts, and left us in a lower division in penury. We are in much better shape than many clubs owned by billionaire capitalists. The ownership of Liverpool, that ultimately and fortunately was forced out, was far worse than anything we've experienced to date with our club. In that, I am thankful for ENIC. But, as I implied, their comparitive splendor as owners in comparison with the vulture capitalists that have been picking at the corpses of some other clubs is not guaranteed. It's a matter of choice and whim on the part of ENIC as to whether they behave in the best interests of the club or on their worst impulses. It's the nature of the system that countries like the UK and the USofA have "chosen." Unfettered capitalism ususally breeds robber barons. It is a system without much balance and without any intrinsic conscience. I realize that we've been sold a bag of goods about the inevitability of such a system and the mystical powers of market forces, but in reality our societies are being run by a bunch of bandits (robber barons) who hold the rest of us in suspence waiting to discover whether these lords will be beneficent or malevolent. We are lucky so far with our lords and masters, ENIC, in that they have taken a relatively beneficent tack with our beloved inheritance, THFC. But thfc1881whl is right to ask the questions he did concerning what they are up to. But beware, those of ye who pray for some sugar daddy to come in a save us with massive expenditures on attacking forwards or lock-picking midfield magicians. Sugar daddies want their whores to perform tricks in bed (or in the back or cars, as it may be). And when they perceive a wrinkle on an aging brow, the whore is dumped and the assets are moved off shore to a bank in Moscow or the Cayman Islands. So far, ENIC has been a gentle owner and shown great financial care, leaving the club unburdened with massive debts, but we have no assurances in the system of vulture capitalists about tomorrow, do we. a luta pelo o socialism precisa continuar. poder para a o povo! also known in Greek as democracy, as opposed to oligarchy, lads.
Total knobhead
as the expression has it in North American shopping malls, "just saying."
Total knobhead
did i not mention iago aspas a couple of days back,it appears rafa took my advice and put down a bid
ghulamville
guyver, did you watch the game? the pitch was awful by all other prem pitch standards, we didnt win the game yesterday because we drew it. the point bigc is making is a good one, the pitch was awful, was it deliberate? i think probably yes, why not? if you can get away with it and it gives you an advantage you will, it's human nature, esp at the lower end of the market trader world
tophobunty
Their pitch has been in that state for months topho
Guyver
School teachers in the state of Rhode Island, as an example, had contracts guaranteeing them pensions upon retirement of over $40,000 dollars a year and guaranteed by the state government. Then, after the "economic crisis" manufactured by vulture capitalism in 2008, the rules were changed by the state government, and those already retired found themselves receiving only $18,000 per year. What's happened to clubs like Liverpool and Birmingham is only a small slice of what is happening to the society as a whole. Beware supporters, and beware citizens in the US and the UK and in Greece, Italy, Portugal, Ireland, and in those places that today feel smuggly confident. Alright, time for me to shut the f up. I've ranted enough for today. Sorry to those who think I've started to drift too far from discussion of THFC, but I'm just trying to place our discussion of our team's future in a broader context concerning our broader future.
Total knobhead
TK agree with you ref Romney being wrong, it was 49%
tophobunty
thfc1882, just because Redpike thought it was a standard and good idea to cut the pitch up so it would be a leveler on the basis they have one good passer and we have 7-8 doesnt mean it would have worked well in his favour, based on his track record he appears to make less good decisions than bad ones as witnessed clearly last season.
tophobunty
peterballb writes, "I could be happier, but I will not throw ENIC under the bus. They have done well. Not great. Well. COYS" Yes Peter, Daniel Levy has the worst trophy season percentage of any THFC chairman in over half a century, Tottenham have not reached the final of any major cup tournament other than the B team League since 1991. This barren period spans the entire Sugar/ENIC era's. Sugar and his apprentice Levy have failed to reach a single FA Cup final between them. Not one! Whilst a tiny lower League club like Portsmouth have been in 2 FA Cup finals in the past 5 seasons winning 1. There are no excuses, the money is there, the fan base is here, the only thing that is missing are owners and a chairman who have the skill and the vision to build that new stadium, and to provide this new Spurs coach with the funds so he can complete his team... Not going to happen of course, because Danny Boy went and bought AVB Siggurdson and Dempsey. Same old, Danny Boy Loser levy...
pelebro
TK I AM WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, whoops caps..........on balance Enic has done a very good job, we have moved forward and on very sound financial principles, its not a level playing field, so we should thank them for keeping it healthy and still a true sport.
tophobunty
Guyver i watched all their recent game against liverpool and dont remember the pitch being like yesterday, could be mistaken
tophobunty
I was referring with the reference to 47% to the secret speech that was taped by a waiter in which he said that 47% of Americans were lazy and would never want to work or do anything but receive free handouts from the rich wealth creators like him. Unsaid by Romney was that his wealth was made by strippin assets, looting pension funds, and leaving entire communities unemployed. Just saying. There is, it seems to me, a direct parallel to what has happened to football clubs in the UK like Birmingham and Liverpool. THFC beware. Those who work for a living in Britain, beware. So far the plantation owners for our club appear relatively benign. What comes next may not be so. Our next sugar daddy might be a predator of evil proportions.
Total knobhead
Did you watch the 1st half against Villa topho? Only difference between that game and the QPR game is that Villa voluntarily removed the "parked bus" 2nd half, while QPR kept the bus in place for the full 90mins. We've looked poor against these tactics all season.
Guyver
thfc1882whl Nothing better when the club ,manager or the players prove us wrong .
IMO (& just that ) i`d have the DOF back .I know Commoli got some duds in Bent ,Zokora & Bentley ,but Modric ,Bale ,Berbatov,Kaboul,BAE etc were all signed by Commoli & we seem to have stopped picking up those players .Arnesen too got some gems on the cheap which got us going .

Since we got rid of the DOF our transfer windows have been pretty average .Not saying bring back Commoli ,but a DOF could be what we`re missing .Maybe Levy has bitten off more than he can chew .
big cockeral
Is the future of Man City or of Chelsea assured because their rich sugar daddies wear them on their arms like trophy wives or like expensive cars to drive to the bank or to the latest charity ball as baubles to show off their wealth and power? Assuredly not. As the trophy wife ages and wrinkles a bit and as the Bentley is dinged a time or two, it gets divorced, or sold for scrap. Supporters must have a stake in decisions about how a club is run. Owners are not to be trusted, neither with our lives, nor with our clubs.
Total knobhead
TK... Fantastic response, thank you. From where I'm sitting I've got to be honest and say that given ENIC's history with other football clubs, the jury is out and a guilty verdict is not too far away. Hopefully those in the dock will do something to convince me otherwise.
thfc1882whl
Total knobhead writes "ENIC has been a gentle owner and shown great financial care, leaving the club unburdened with massive debts," Yes Total knobhead, ENIC have left us unburdened with no new stadium, with 30,000 Spurs fans on a season ticket waiting list and an empty trophy cabinet... Enic have left us unburdened with glory and Success... ENIC OUT!
pelebro
Redknapp and QPR may have got all 3pts at chelsea, playing like they did against us, so it helped us on the night, Stoke another park the bus team at the lane, crossed the half way line in numbers yesterday and got done by chelsea, QPR may have got a point from us by parking up @ home in numbers, but the good news is both Reading and Southampton won, so Mark Hughes put them in the situation, I for one hope Redknapp finishes the job and they go down. At least next week we may well get beat by Man U, but our chances of winning increase because fergie won't park the bus.
spu 4 life
pelebro, read the entirety of my comments to put this one quote in context. Read between the rhetorical lines. My comments have concerned not so much ENIC, but the entire state of English football. Overall, I've only stated that we could do worse than ENIC. I chose the word "gentle" for rhetorical effect, mate, as in a girl telling her first lover to "be gentle with me." Read more carefully. (Or perhaps I should leave attempts at subtlety out of my missives.)
Total knobhead
we need a player that can take th ball off Sandro, Parker or Dembele at the half way line and run at goal or lay it off to one of Bale, Lennon and a Striker...

We are short of 1-2 players... Willian, Sneijder, Negredo, Benat..

Come on Levy.. sort it out..
Yidmarks
And by the way, pelebro, would you have preferred Carson Yeung over Joe Lewis? As far as vulture capitalist owners of football clubs go, we've gotten by fairly gently so far. lol, waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Total knobhead
big c.... Personally mate, I'd allow the manager to select the players he wants and leave it to the chairman to get those players in and not mediocre imitations. Not to say that a DoF cannot work but the manager and DoF absolutely have to be on the same page. Even then, the manager has to be allowed the final say and that's where the friction between the two can develop. Also, the chairman has a duty to make it known to the DoF that it's the manager he'll support every time.
thfc1882whl
And to add should the club continue to stick it's head in the sand and not buy ''required type of player'' in this window so be it, but they should be backing AVB and buying into his long term vision, like getting CL football next season.
spu 4 life
How did Lloris stand top for MOTM, when QPR never had a shot requiring a save, he caught a couple of crosses, rest of the time He was frozen up to his arse.
spu 4 life
TK was just a joke ref Romney, the old ones are not always the best!!
tophobunty
Guyver hi thought we were talking about the pitch and not the bus parking syndrome. Actually thought we were ok in first half against villa under the circumstances, clearly much better in the second when they committed hari kari by coming and having a go. all power to their manager for trying to play football, where as Redpike murdered our great game yesterday
tophobunty
Spur 4 Life - He made having sweet FA to do look incredibly easy, which is more than what can be said of the other players ;)
rahn DMC
*spu
rahn DMC
pelebro, you do realise that Trophies are bought in this era of football? When was the last time a trophy was won by a team that wasn't mega rich? Mickey mouse cup excluded.
Fanman
"How did Lloris stand top for MOTM, when QPR never had a shot requiring a save, he caught a couple of crosses, rest of the time He was frozen up to his arse," spu 4 life.

Well, Lloris did come out of the box one time to kick the ball away from a QPR player. But I suspect the votes of Lloris are merely a way of saying that no one really played all the well yesterday. (How can one explain the vote or two that went to Adebayor, except as attempts at humour?)

Total knobhead
Didnt want to continue talking about the pitch topho, because you saw the QPR game vs Liverpool and, for some reason didnt notice the poor quality of the playing surface. I reckon you'd notice it if you watched it back now. Rather look at the bigger picture though. All top teams have to break through defensive walls. Why should sides like Stoke, QPR and Villa play into our hands by coming at us & giving us space to play? Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea ect all face the same probem, its up to the attacking side to use their superior player advantage to their advantage. No point crying about pitches..
Guyver
Total knobhead, Joe Lewis is the THFC Che Guevara... over there by the pool side in the Bahamas, waiting to sale up our club, to top up his 3 and half billion, tax free "I ain't giving nothing back the the people" bank account... What a romantic, socialist, trophy less, soulless, cooperate, football club we have become under ENIC... I don't buy that 'lesser of two evils' crap! The cooperate world already owns THFC, so we might as well have some cooperate 'winners rather than that little cooperate 'loser' named Daniel Levy using OUR CLUB as his 'fantasy football' play thing, until sugar daddy Joe, cashes in... ENIC OUT!
pelebro
Stoke were at home yesterday, so they tried to play against Chelsea. They were battered by Chelsea's superior quality. If they parked the bus, they might have got a point or nicked 1-0 win. They played against City aswell and got battered. Some of Stokes's defending yesterday was atrocious. just wlaking past Hazard giving him time and space to shoot. Villa has to be the worst defence I've ever seen in the EPL though.
Fanman
Fanman, of course Trophies are bought in this era of football! Even a tiny little club like Portsmouth bought and paid the players salaries that took them to 2 FA Cup finals in the last 5 years, winning 1. Sadly for us, the vastly wealthy owners of the 11th richest club in the world THFC have failed to rich the final of any major tournament other than that Mickey Mouse cup you speak of... Why? Because Daniel Levy is an, interfering, meddling loser of a fantasy football chairman!
pelebro
Where`s Portsmouth now ? Better to have Evertons chairman ?
Better the devil you know because some clubs are right in the $hit due to poor ownership .
Are we 4th from top or 4th from bottom ?
big cockeral
Great passage of play from United. Finished by you know who...
Fanman
Its Championship Manager season again, buy a young Albanian striker for 12p and watch him in 3 seasons score 159 goals in the premiership and win the World Cup. Mid window, strikers are at a premium (actually any time) but some on here think it is easy. We have at least 4 players who will never play for Spurs again but are on at least 40k a week, Levy is never going to see us go like Portsmouth, Leeds etc. Blame Harry all you want for Portsmouth but the blame lies with the person who balances the books. I didn’t want Harry sacked but I am coming around to AVB, give him time and at least wait until the window has finished before saying Levy lacks ambition.
RAF Yid
pelebro, so you're saying that Levy should throw silly money into the club and risk our finacial stability? Look at what happened to Portsmouth. Levy is trying to get the best players we can, while keeping the club financially stable. Its not an easy thing to do.
Fanman
Sorry, I meant Corporate, not cooperate.
pelebro
United are looking very organised and getting their angles right.
Fanman
Fanman, yes its really hard being the chairman of the 11th richest club on the entire planet. And your correct, if Danny Boy had got us to a FA Cup final, we really might have gone bust!
pelebro
Like slaves who hoped for an owner that would beat them less and perhaps allow a slave family not to be broken up by sale of a husband or a wife or a child, we are reduced to giving thanks that our owner is more beneficent than another, or hoping that we aren't broken into pieces and the parts sold off to other slave owners. Where do ENIC stand amongst the owners? Better than the slave masters who ripped apart Birmingham and Liverpool, and thanks be the the gods that they haven't plunged us into massive debts that will lead the club into what the Americans call bankruptcy. Worse in the short run than some owners who get their personal jollies in winning trophies and hiring and firing managers and players like baubles. But the acute buying and selling of contracts that seems to be required these days of clubs to be in the top three or four has a pernicious edge to it, as clubs are saddled with massive contracts that must be paid even when players pass their sell by dates. And those debits remain with the club even when the owners move on to other thrill seeking ventures to affirm their manhood and to sate their lagging sexual abilities. Can't satisfy your sex partner any more. Can't live up to your father's expectations of you? But a football club and hire and fire away and run up the debts that the supporters will rue when you leave. How are we to think of ENIC as our owners? (Or perhaps they are mere renters of our sevices for a time?) Better than some who hire a woman or a boy into their back seat. Worse than others. Could they have satisfied us better with a few trinkets of cups? Sure could have. Could they have been worse in their betrayals? Sure could have. But they are vulture capitalist owners, moral successors to the planation owners of slavery days of yore. Potential destroyers of communities and of the lives of those who work and whose communities depend on their local institutions. And slavery earned its name as the peculiar institution because it was a peculiar institution. The modern corporation is its successor. It regals us with magic tales of hidden hands and of wealth creation and job creation, but more often it is the destroyer of jobs and the robber of wealth that is more and more concentrated in its hands, and its hands alone. But I fear I tempt waxing too eloquent, which is a blunder on a footie site. But we should not discuss ownership of our club without realizing who these owners are, both in the specifics of the owners of individual clubs, like ENIC, and in the more general in the nature of the vulture system that treats us all like fools and like commodities. We are men and women, not commodities, and our club is beloved by us. But our owners have nor respect for us nor the things that matter to us. We, like or club, are mere commodities in their neurotically motivated plundering. Enough said about things where selfishness rules and we matter not at all to those who own our lives and livelihoods.
Total knobhead
My mind went blank for a moment on the word receivership.
Total knobhead
levy has had the last 6-7windows to show how much ambition he has. we need a striker and attack minded midfielder now.back AVB now ffs or we will have a repeat of last two seasons.
topspur53
pelebro, what's your point? Do you think that we have the money to invest in the first team, but we're not because Levy and co are pocketing the money? How much did we spend last summer?
Fanman
Guyver i am not crying about pitches just joining in a conversation with BIGC who was making a good point. I think i posted the first game of the season how the challenge for AVB this year will be how to break teams down who sit back and how much easier it will be most often to set us up away from home, yesterday was different as QPR approached the game as if it was their last away game of their lives.
tophobunty
Topspur53, I agree to a certain extent but Harry brought older players and whilst 1 or 2 have been profitable, Levy isn't going to continue to purchase 30 year olds on 4 year contracts. Athough at the time I wanted Parker/Pienaar etc we had too many. AVB still has Harry's squad and will need at least 2 more windows to sort this out. We need patience and CL next year.
RAF Yid
Fanman ..... How much DID (not shouting, just can't do italics) Levy spend last summer after player sales were taken into account?
thfc1882whl
Jeez TK, is that a chapter from your new book ;-)
thfc1882whl
not sure if this is true but just heard from a friend that Sandro has flown to Barcelona today with AVB to see a specialist ref his knee. Does anyone else have this info?
tophobunty
thfc1882whl, probably around the same amount that we spent, but I don't expect us to spend bucketloads, because we are run as a business. We need to be making profit.
Fanman
"Jeez TK, is that a chapter from your new book ;-), thfc1882whl.

No 1882, just some thoughts from the top of my head as I reflected on the theme being discussed only this thread: ENIC and the desire for new owners. But I'll think about your advise, whether to turn these thoughts into a book on ownership of football clubs in the UK. (Not just England, I suspect. Look at the state of one of Britain's most venerable clubs: Rangers in Glasgow. Just about driven out of business by their owners.) Mix in a few juicy tidbits about the personal lives of these robber barons and I might have a best seller. I could promote it on Vital sites. (winks in the right eye.)

Total knobhead
Earlier on this thread, topho, someone wrote that Sandro would play next week. Hope that's the report that's right. But the world spins round and round on the power of gossip.
Total knobhead
i prefer you version ref Sandro TK
tophobunty
I keep reading that ENIC are to blame. ENIC should spend more. ENIC don't want to win. ENIC are just trying to build the franchise so it can be sold at a high price. ENIC don't know football. They have taken this franchise from middle of the road to the cusp of CL. All while not doing what so many on here want, throw money we don't have at a problem and hope it works. ENIC, to some on here, should have given Harry the 25M and 150/week salary to Forlan. We'd be all fixed. People forget, we were in for Suarez. Harry's people didn't want him. Modric wanted to play elsewhere. ENIC's fault? Hardly. Improved wages were offered two years running. We signed Adebayor. Had kept Bale. Got VDV. None on chump's change. He wanted out. If Bale wants to go to Barca and they will stump 55M, what is ENIC supposed to do? We have spent money. Modric wasn't cheap - 16.5M. Who sanctioned that? Berbatov was 11.5M? Who sanctioned that? Who has authorized all the deals while probably doubling our salary commitments over the past 5 years. There are always guys out there at prices we can afford who would step our game up a notch. Does the coach want them? What other clubs want them? How much do they want? How much does the player want?

Arsenal don't seem to get all the players they want anymore. Liverpool seem to be being beaten for signatures. The landscape is changing. Clearly not fast enough for some. Scouting, wages, increased Transfer fees. This all means that we can compete with most but cannot compete with some. It's just reality. We won't pay 12M on Zaha. United will. What can you do? Move on to the next target. COYS
peterballb
peter, did you read the fellow on here who was writing about ENIC as just another plantation owner among other owners who are more or less benign or malignant? What can you do with a person like that?
Total knobhead
TK I'd lock him up in chains and try and sell him to some other poor fool ;-)
Slurms McKenzie
the problem has seemed to be identified with great aplomb but what are the solutions TK ?
Arky
 

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