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Sandro?

Following his injury scare at Loftus Road on Sunday, it seems there remains plenty of confusion over the condition of our midfield superstar.

Following the game, AVB seemed relaxed and confident that the Brazilian would be fit to face Manchester United on Sunday, however since there has been talk of him undergoing surgery yesterday and from that we either get talk of his being back against Leeds to perhaps Norwich or that he is out for the season, which is the last thing any Spurs fan wants to hear.

Of course having surgery doesn't really tell us anything. You have such a wide spectrum of possibilities from minor key-hole that allows a player to train and play within days or operations that take months to recover, and end seasons. What we don't know at this stage is whether he has had surgery or not and if he has, what level of procedure he has had.

The positives are that we at least have a very good player to step straight in with Scott Parker, but what happens to our next in line? Will Sandro's injury end talk of Jake Livermore joining QPR or whoever else? Will it force Mr Levy into bringing in a new midfielder to bolster the squad? With there seemingly still being concerns over the fitness of Mousa Dembele, a player who to me who doesn't seem 100% fit since his return, either in mind or body. are we in danger of leaving ourselves short, should anything happen to either Parker or Dembele?

That could all be alarmist, but will we suddenly see greater efforts made to attract a new midfielder in, in this window? There certainly seem to be plenty of options. Could we try to hijack QPR's deal for Yann M'Vila at what seems to be a bargain price? There has been talk of our interest in Moussa Sissoko who is available on a Bosman free transfer in the summer (I believe) or perhaps we will simply look to bring in the creative midfielder we need regardless with someone like Willian or even bring our already done deal for Lewis Holtby forward, if that remains an option.

At this stage we can only hope and speculate and of course, we might have to accept that Spurs might prefer to remain tight lipped over the injury to Sandro as any confirmation of a long term absence could easily hike up any price for a potential purchase, as clubs know our need is urgent. All we can do now however, is to sit tight and hope for the best, or it is beast?...



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Wednesday January 16 2013
Time: 8:42AM

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COYS...
Yidmarks
16/01/2013 08:52:00
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Benat... time to sign him... Cover for both and can play in a more attacking role...
Yidmarks
16/01/2013 08:54:00
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ADE gone = New striker, SANDRO gone = New midfielder. Can we have some new toys, DL?
spurring you on
16/01/2013 08:54:00
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Does that stand for Come on You Sandro?
oxfordspur
16/01/2013 08:54:00
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both OX... He has without a doubt been our rock this season.. we will miss him. I do agree that it shows our depth in that position to have Parker as back-up...
Yidmarks
16/01/2013 08:55:00
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We need that depth in all positions.. and we dont right now...
Yidmarks
16/01/2013 08:55:00
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If we could trust Caulker and Daws in the centre-back positions, i would use Verts as a DM on occasion... he has shown skill in driving forward and linking up play with the attacking line... Get well soon Mr Kaboom... Kabs and Caulker i could trust... with Verts and Dembele pushed forwards in there positions...
Yidmarks
16/01/2013 08:59:00
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............................NEW STRIKER/DEFOE...........................

BALE/SIGGY........WILLIAN/ISCO/HOLTBY.....LENNON/DEMPS..

...............DEMBELE/VERTS...........SANDRO/PARKER...........

BAE/FRY......VERTS/CAULK......KABS/DAWS....WALKER/NAUG

..............................LLORIS/FRIEDEL.................................


NEED SOME CHEQUE BOOK ACTION MR LEVY.... COME ON NOW
Yidmarks
16/01/2013 09:04:00
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Yep for me if he is injured I would play a midfield three of Vertonghen, Parker and Dembele, with Dawson and Caulker at the back. Mind you, Gallas best game this season was against United so who knows. AVB likes horses for courses - or is he injured?
Sebthespur
16/01/2013 09:06:00
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My understanding is that he is out for six months, this comes from someone whwho knows him. A slight caveat is that this guy wh is also a friend of mine does like a wind up.
tophobunty
16/01/2013 09:08:00
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Yidmarks & Sebthespur - Vertonghen has said he turned down Arsenal precisely because Wenger wanted to play him in midfield. He doesn't even like playing left back. Its never a good idea to ***** off your best players.
jod
16/01/2013 09:10:00
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I have mentioned this guy a few times over the last few months...


Is he not worth a look...

http://www.footballfancast.com/premiership/are-premier-league-clubs-missing-a-transfer-trick-with-sanchez
Yidmarks
16/01/2013 09:12:00
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Jod - As cover only mate.. When it is needed.. You'd wanna keep him as a CB along side either Kabs or Caulk/Daws... but in case we needed to.. money that can be spent in other areas... Goals maybe..
Yidmarks
16/01/2013 09:18:00
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lets forget Vertonghen in midfield and LB. He needs to cement his place as a CB and that is what we bought him for. Push him into midfield, even in an emergency and how quickly will he feel he needs to consider his own future as he is being messed around at WHL by rarely playing in the position he was signed for
oxfordspur
16/01/2013 09:24:00
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Heaven forbid Ox play players out of position, whatever next.
tophobunty
16/01/2013 09:44:00
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I'm not sure how reliable the information is but this site states he'll be back on the 20th January! http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
yiddyboy
16/01/2013 09:46:00
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Sandro is on twitter, has anyone checked to see if he has an update.
vicspur
16/01/2013 09:58:00
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Sir Alex ''Oxford Spur'' Ferguson bit early for mind games, let them play wet spam first, could have posted this friday. Anyway nothing on the THFC website regarding Sandro, Shame Jenas is injured, he could have stepped in, a large man hole would be better.
spu 4 life
16/01/2013 09:58:00
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Hope he’s back soon as he ahs been one of most consistent players this season. Unless he has a serious injury and is out for 3-4 months then I don’t think we need to bring anyone else in. Parker is more than adequate cover for that position and is fresh for the rest of the season. We also have thud who can play that role if worst came to worst. Think we have to play 4-5-1 against united on Sunday anyway. I would be seriously tempted to play parker & Thudd in the middle with Dembele just in front of them feeding Defoe. Either that or play Parker and Dembele centre with Bale just in front and Townsend on the left. I don’t want Dempsey or Siggurdson anywhere near the starting 11 on Sunday.
hudderspur
16/01/2013 09:58:00
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It all seemed as though there were no problems until someone tweeted that he'd had an op...how reliable that guy is is anyones guess? BUT it does show how important he is, parker can deputise but imo is not as effective...if we can improve striker/creative mid we can compensate but we do need some activity in the window...
shedboy2
16/01/2013 10:02:00
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Who's the ref on Sunday, tell me it's not Howard Webb please?
yiddyboy
16/01/2013 10:02:00
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Watched Madrid last night, can someone send Modders a photo of a football, just to remind him what one looks like.
spu 4 life
16/01/2013 10:04:00
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Yiddyboy - Ref's not allocated yet, open the link and save in favourites, this will tell you the ref's game by game. http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb.html
spu 4 life
16/01/2013 10:22:00
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In short, we broke Sandro. I was saying it before he got injured. We needed to phase Parker in, and Sandro out. Not permanently, but the guy played non-stop throughout 2012. Needed a break. Sooner or later then relentless game after game would take its toll. Too late now, the dude is injured, and needs a break. But instead of us having a choice of Parker + Sandro, we have just Parker....
TonyRich
16/01/2013 10:30:00
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hudderspur - why do you want to play Townsend ahead of Siggy/Dempsey....? Sounds like suicide to me...
TonyRich
16/01/2013 10:31:00
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Whilst i agree with you in some respects, He twisted his knee Tony. Theres not much anyone can do about that. You also have to consider the fact that parker has been injured the entire season and has only been available in sorts for the last month. I think it shows that AVB doesnt rate Thudd or Livermoore enough to play them unless its a lst resort. I also think the fact that we bid £15m fo Yann m'via in august (according to HR) backs that up.
hudderspur
16/01/2013 10:37:00
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Tony – Simply because I do not rate Dempsey or siggurdson enough to play them behind the striker. I Know Siggy is only 22, and Demspey is perhaps just having a “slow start” but on a performance basis they do not merit a place in the starting 11. I would much rather play Bale as an attacking midfielder / behind the striker and Townsend who has shown pace & determination deserves his chance on his favoured LW. If we had another creative midfield player (Holtby??) then yeah I would stick with bale on the left, but as we don’t I would mix it up. There’s only so many games Dempsey and to a lesser extent siggurdson can roam around doing nothing. Like I posted the other day, we are over half way into the season, not 3 games in. The excuses of “bedding in” or adapting have long since worn out, especially as they are both adapted to the premiership.
hudderspur
16/01/2013 10:46:00
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Our club lately seems to be run like MI6, there is precious little information released on any subject these days. What possible disadvantage could there be, or help to opposition, in just simply putting out an official progress report on the web site for predominantly supporters information. Are we operating a "need to know" policy, and the supporters are deemed as "not needing to know".
Frank
16/01/2013 10:59:00
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Espero que os deuses do futebol brilhar o rosto para baixo sobre Sandro. Nós precisamos de você, rapaz. Fique bem logo.
Total knobhead
16/01/2013 11:04:00
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According to M'Vila's agent quite a few other clubs are looking to hijack his move to QPR. The report claims we're one of them, we wait & see.
Spurs Allday
16/01/2013 11:14:00
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Vertonghen..in midfield..!?........NO way........centre back, or left back. Not good to keep moving players round and round...all manner of positions. You get no cohesion by doing this. Personnally, i prefer the 4,4,1,1...system but could see the merits of 3(centrebacks),5, 2.........when kaboul comes back. I'm.....100% for getting Townsend involved more...........seen him play live....seen him deliver excellent left and right footed inswinging corners...........this man has more talent than Siggurdsen. Can play left or right wing. As for siggy'..i'd be trying him as striker, with dempsey behind, at the min'. Just think it's worth a try......with Defoe, obika..on the bench. Straight choice between Lennon and Townsend for the right side.......with the loser, occupying the subs bench. Plus straight choice between naughton and walker for right back. Sandro.....well...we have Parker and others for back up.
82spursdebut
16/01/2013 11:14:00
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Perhaps we are interested in a player plus cash exchange for M'Vila..!?
82spursdebut
16/01/2013 11:24:00
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Frank - Our club runs more like the M25, GOES ROUND IN A CIRCLE
spu 4 life
16/01/2013 11:38:00
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Go on Arry great interview, yeah tony fernades spoke to him yeah, yeah told him of the players i was lookig to bring in, yeah yeah he knows of Rio and phil neville, i tried to get gary as well, yeah yeah triffic lad.
spu 4 life
16/01/2013 11:42:00
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Boom, Boom spu 4 life, I like it.
Frank
16/01/2013 11:47:00
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It would be a real shame if he is out for a while, certainly been one of our best players and you noticed a difference in our shape and tempo when he went off sat. Actually think as he develops he will become more attacking and a massive threat going forward.

I don't think we should panic though, Hudd and Parker are good short term replacements and if we do go for a midfielder it should be someone exception i.e. Mountinho/William.
T.H.F.Chris
16/01/2013 11:56:00
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Thanks spu 4 life.
yiddyboy
16/01/2013 11:58:00
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Could long term injury to Sandro trigger Holtby now?
yiddyboy
16/01/2013 11:59:00
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Holby is not, I repeat, not a replacement for Sandro. In no way, shape or form. Totally different types of players. Holtby isn't going to solidify the defense and go in for crunching challenges. Not going to happen. No way. He might stand in for Modric, but not for Sandro. Leave it out.
Total knobhead
16/01/2013 12:14:00
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TK - Dont think anyones questioning that, but we are light in quality midfield now. We are ok so long as Scotty stays fit, but if anything happend to him we would only have Thudd and Dembele as CM players. I think its the question of Getting holtby as an option. I dont see the point in signing someone like M'Vila when we have parker and sandro on our books when only one DM plays at any one time. If sandro is out for a while and if parker got injured, a 3 man midfield of say Thudd, Dembele and Holby would be the next best option i guess

Its just such a shame that we brought dempsey and siggy in, both play similar positions, both have struggled so far and both have fairly lengthy contracts. It really does restrict our options. If we brought a player like M'Vila or Sissoko i could see one of Dempsey or Siggy bieng sacrificed. Livermoore IMO wont be an option.
hudderspur
16/01/2013 12:39:00
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Now we're being linked to another midfielder, Josip Ilicic, who also wouldn't be a Sandro replacement. Could bring in Holtby this month and Ilicic and no striker and with an injury to Defoe we'd be playing a 4-6-0 by default. You hear it here first. lol.
Total knobhead
16/01/2013 13:03:00
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Parker, Big Tom, Livermore all could play in the Sandro position at a pinch (none will do as good a job as Sandro but thats why they are cover!) Dembele's cover looks like Tom Carroll! That to me is a much bigger issue!
Slurms McKenzie
16/01/2013 13:04:00
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If we bought a creative midfielder, Dembele could even play Sandro's role, he's better defensively than most.
Guyver
16/01/2013 13:08:00
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The herd heard it here foist.
Total knobhead
16/01/2013 13:11:00
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TK its onlly taken since June but the 4-6-0 formation looks like its finally falling in to place! LoL! Its like you have some kind of Brazilian crystal ball.
Slurms McKenzie
16/01/2013 13:18:00
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Huddlestone as a potential replacement for Sandro, the thought makes me shudder in fear. For how long, one game, any longer would invite disaster. Our only feasable replacement is Parker. Incidently I would agree with the comment, that the availability of a replacement for Dembele, for any medium to long term absence, should give rise to greater concern. I have to say with some regret that Tom Huddlestone shouldn't get within a 100 miles of the 1st team any more, he has gone backwards, his known limitations i.e. lack of pace, and mobility, are now more apparent, he is no longer good enough, should be sold on.
Frank
16/01/2013 13:32:00
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Frank re Hudd, I've had said the same about Noughton until he got a run of games at LB and now looks like solid cover. A more deep lying role for Huddlestone with Dembele along side him would probably suit his game more. Not an ideal replacement but behind Sandro and Parker anyway and competing with Livermore for the third spot the question really is who do you perfer as backup to our backup?
Slurms McKenzie
16/01/2013 13:41:00
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Don't know where all this 6 months stuff has come from? Some dodgy tosser posts an obscure tweet, people get all up in arms about it & it's the end of the world. Do people not find it odd that SSN, the official site, the press etc etc haven't heard about this operation? Or even the injury being more serious than the "knock" AVB told us about? Has nobody bothered to find out for themselves that the tweet has since mysteriously disappeared? Odd that!!

According to the physio room he's due back on Sunday. They're usually quite accurate (i.e. they update regularly as they receive news) although i don't know where they receive their info from. http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
coopsieyid
16/01/2013 14:02:00
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YIDDYBOY - Chris Foy is our ref on Sunday (sorry if somebody else has already answered your question). I know we all unanimously hate Foy after his antics in our match against Stoke last season BUT he was also the ref when we beat Utd at Old Trafford earlier this season ;). Remember Fergie going mental after the game? "Only 4 minutes injury time is a joke"... Hopefully Foy remembers this little outburst.
coopsieyid
16/01/2013 14:06:00
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Granted Coopsie, still a good excuse to examine the options open to AVB in the event of players being being unavialbale from the starting eleven. Although replacing the statisically best DMF in European football this season is impossible we do seem to be blessed with decent cover in this area. Also the prospect of loosing Sandro for a period of time (however hypothetical) shines a spotlight on Livermore's proposed move to QPR. Still good nes about Sandro!
Slurms McKenzie
16/01/2013 14:07:00
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https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/290850754720329728

Premier League tweet about the ref for Sunday's match
coopsieyid
16/01/2013 14:09:00
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vicspur.. There has been no new update from Sandro via Twitter. His last message was after match day (Jan 12th @ 15.28: "H guys, I'm in some pain at the moment! On my way to the hospital for a scan now so fingers crossed it's good news... thanks for all support"... I am sure he must now know the result of that scan and to me suggests that it is not great news.. How bad, only he and the club know! AVB said after the match that he would be ok for ManU because he was presumably being optimistic on first view.. Fair enough! I also personally think that those suggesting the club are quiet and should tell us what is going on, out of respect to the fans, should think further on the situation! If Sandro is injured for a while (Hope not obviously!) and Levy, AVB & Co are in for replacements and even Attacking midfielders, would you honestly think that the club would be advertising the fact that our first team regular is injured!? I do not! It can only push the price up for a midfielder, if you are desparate for that player, never down. Yes, before you say, I know, we are indeed desparate for a Moutinho/Willian type player, who would transform our team, which is why Porto/Shaktar are in pole position to negotiate, hence asking for silly money... Same for the striker situation. The media lets the world know exactly what our team needs, making it hard when negotiating. If i were Levy/AVB and currently in talks for new players (which i am sure they are!), I would certainly not let the player or club website tell the world/media our exact current injury worries until negotiations were complete!! Although if i were Levy I would've bought the players I/we want already.. haha... We will find out if he plays on Sunday, but if he doesn't it may be just a knock or may be serious. I for one do not think we will find out for sure (from a credible source.. NOT a ***** RAPPER on twitter!!) until deals in midfield are done!! Hopefully Sandro plays and Moutinho & a striker are announced before the game!? best case scenario... I can dream!! COYSpurs/Sandro
YidoDave
16/01/2013 14:11:00
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YidoDave to take your idea of Levy/spurs keeping quite to keep prices low to its logical conclusion, why wouldn't they just annouce that he is not injured and is available for selection?
Slurms McKenzie
16/01/2013 14:15:00
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Slurms... I am not going to suggest that we have upstanding honest leaders of our lub, but why would they lie!!!??? What would be the point in that?
YidoDave
16/01/2013 14:18:00
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Club not lub obviously
YidoDave
16/01/2013 14:24:00
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Ah YidoDave I Lub you too!
Slurms McKenzie
16/01/2013 14:41:00
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The statistics are remarkable http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11096/8400337/In-praise-of-Sandro COYS
Don Coys
16/01/2013 14:44:00
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Slurms... Are you 'Mr Deeds' in disguise!?
YidoDave
16/01/2013 14:46:00
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Jan Vertonghen is also in the top 10
Don Coys
16/01/2013 14:46:00
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Yes amazing stats Don, what a player he is proving to be. Would be surprised if there is any good news coming now ref the injury and totally understand why the club would want to keep this secret as they try to negotiate deals. I did hear from somebody very close to the player that an operation had already taken place.
tophobunty
16/01/2013 15:37:00
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Yeah, but come on OX, what are we meant to do with BAE out? I thought Vertongen showed true class playing left back when he had to. Now that BAE is back, Naughton can fight Walker for RB and Dawson looks to keep Gallas out until Kaboul is ready. Caulker gets shafted in this deal. I'd rather Caulker than Dawson, but Dawson has been playing really well.
tengboon
16/01/2013 15:39:00
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Update:

Going to have to have a look further into the knee, MRI and other scans are proving inconclusive.

Unfortunately at this point, it is not looking very positive. However, nothing conclusive to give an accurate diagnosis. Obviously out for the weekend, fingers crossed for the lad.

POTL
coopsieyid
16/01/2013 15:41:00
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I really wanted to see Parker + Sandro AND Dembele in the centre 3 V Manure on Sunday to nullify the supply to Van Pussy. With Bale and Lennon waide and Defoe up top would still have a good threat. My prayer mat is still out but when AVB said he only had a slight knock on his knee we all knew that was not right.
CoysRus
16/01/2013 15:44:00
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I like the shroud of secrecy around White Hart Lane, I don't want to be privy to info if it means our opponents in the EPL are not privy to info. Long gone are the Recaro days of non-stop media ass kissing
tengboon
16/01/2013 15:50:00
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Tengboon, agree Verts looked very good at left back, better than Naughton I would say, it's more natural for him. Also all players when asked should be happy to play for the team/club ahead of personal preference and just hope its not for too long. Naughton should be really pressuring Walker at right back, he might just be better! COYS R US parker sandro and Dembele would be awesome i think, the best in the prem probably.
tophobunty
16/01/2013 15:50:00
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Cheers Coops!

Sandro is double hard so if he's out for 4 weeks he'll be playing again in 2 :-)
yiddyboy
16/01/2013 16:10:00
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***** hes had surgery and is out 4 ages.
SpursSnM
16/01/2013 16:39:00
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@sandoraniere says "Sorry guys but this ones really got me, the Beast is hurt".... F*ck!!
YidoDave
16/01/2013 16:48:00
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SSN confirm Sandro has surgery, doesn't say how long. Parker to come in, but how fit is he.
Frank
16/01/2013 16:58:00
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Does Not look good for sandro. Or for us. Parker it is then, then if he gets crocked......thud or jake ; (
hudderspur
16/01/2013 16:59:00
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VERY saddening picture :(

http://instagram.com/p/UjU3LJuakt/

And how about this for proof that Sandro has well & truly listened to what supporters call him, either from the stands or on twitter etc.. He just tweeted "Sorry guys, but this one really got me, the beast is hurt..."....

What an absolute legend!!
coopsieyid
16/01/2013 17:04:00
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the info i had the other day was that it is likely to be six months, this was from a guy who knows Sandro and told me the day of the op, so its likely to be season ending, so we need to factor this in and buy in January because Livermore is not good enough and neither sadly is Hudd
tophobunty
16/01/2013 17:05:00
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@sandroraniere " My surgery went well, now its moving forwards with treatment And rest!.... (and in brazilian) The flowers from the garden, they veered grey".... Gutted! My optimism is bad but as i said earlier, could this mean we have announcements pendng?
YidoDave
16/01/2013 17:05:00
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Just bring Holtby in early = The most sensible thing for us to do. Failing that, there's been talk that we're trying to chase Sissoko on a pre-contract. So perhaps he's also an option for a cheap fix? I'd be OK with that (Sissoko) BUT only if we have plans to move Parker on in the summer. No point going for a player like Sissoko if we're only looking for a temporary fix until Sandro is fit again, unless Parker is soon to be surplus to requirement. That's why Holtby makes the most sense to me.
coopsieyid
16/01/2013 17:13:00
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coopsie I think what i have seen of Holtby is not is a replacement or cover for sandro, he looks a different type of player. Sandro will not be easy to replace as its been obvious to you and I and a few others on here he was top draw, well before Pikey realised.
tophobunty
16/01/2013 17:18:00
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