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Is Yann the Man?

Today, AVB has stated that the club won't seek to replace the long term injured Sandro, however, is Yann M'Vila simply too much of a bargain to turn down?

For a player to be available for around a third of his suggested figure of six months ago, M'Vila potentially not only offers superb cover for Sandro, but also is a player that the club will surely see as someone who simply has to show somewhere close to his form or last season to again be worth two or three times what anyone paid for him.

Despite already having Parker, Livermore and Huddlestone to step in for Sandro, is there still a consideration that Hudd lacks the game, Livermore lacks experience and Parker isn't getting any younger. Does M'Vila also offer equally good or better bite, but also better creativity and distribution in an all-round game than all but Dembele and may also be seen as someone who will work well in a midfield three, should we still be developing towards that system.

I also wonder if as a club our interest in players that can technically adapt and cope with multiple positions and formations is something we are particularly interested in. In restricted Twenty-five man squads, does having multiple players that are comfortable in playing two or three positions the way to go? Barcalona lead the way in signing total footballers, who for example seem to slot into the team wherever. Song, Busquets or Mascherano all seem to be employed to cover defence or midfield and have that mix of defensive solidity and energy and comfort on the ball to play higher up. Is this type of player the future of the game, making the likes of Sandro, Livermore and M'Vila great and must have squad players.

In the short term, I could easily see a sale of Tom Huddlestone and loan of Jake Livermore still happening and that balancing the books on this deal. Hudd is technically excellent, but does that the high energy pressing game for AVB, whilst would Jake be better for pending a year on loan developing his game away and returning as the finished article, maybe at a time when Parker is looked to be moved on? All a little hypothetical, however, it does have. Levy deal stamped all over it, as Spurs get a bargain that can probably only increase in value and AVB gets a player that seems to have the game to fit his needs...




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Date:Friday January 18 2013

Time: 6:01PM

Your Comments

No! Livermore, Hudd and others should step up now.
danespur
First things first Sandro is irreplaceable ,

Yann M`villa has an attitude problem so after Adebayor surely once bitten twice shy
big cockeral
part exchange only....i.e. hudd' plus ?...for m'vila
82spursdebut
Get Benhanda in. He is more of what we need. Sign Sissokho to a pre-contract and you have cover next year should Sandro not be back or Parker want to go somewhere where he can start. I'd just get Holtby in now, if we can, as another option/cover. COYS
peterballb
well, we've got Vertonghen who I think can do a job in the Sandro/Parker position if Livermore doesn't work out so no need to get congested imo.
spurswede
Bring Holtby deal forward. Forget M'Villa. Bad attitude that we don't want or need. Next...
SpuriousLife
SpuriousLife, this will never work : Schalke "if you want him now it will cost you 10.50 and a packet of ready salted crisps" DL "and if we want him at the end if the season" Schalke "nothing" DL "we'll take him at the end of the season"
In-spurs-ational
It's got to be worth a little cash to get Holtby now. Even if he isn't used much, it's more time to prepare him for the PL for next season. You know it makes sense, I know it makes sense.........
Love totty
I take an avb rulling out a purchase meaning that we are looking for someone
troffer2
Why everyone calling to bring Holtby deal fwd? He's not a DMF! We have cover in Parker, Jan, jake, so no need to panic!
Spesh-spur
I'm not sure that it a defensive midfield player that we need. It is a creative ball player that we need. I think we have enough players to get by. It would worry me if Parker was to get injured, as I do not think that THudd or Livermore are good enough. What worries me is the comments that AVB is coming out with about not needing re-enforcements in the team. Do we not have a pot to ***** in or are the owners that tight they will not release funds. It does seem to me that they have not learned from the past few seasons. Some of the names branded about are not big money signings. I still do not think that they have backed AVB at all.
nothappyharry
m'vila hell no, bad arse attitude one reason wenger dropped him, not short term and his not long term. Schalke vs Hannover is on the stream @ 7-3opm
spu 4 life
Do not understand why people are so worried about his mentality. Ok, he might like a fight, might get moody, might throw his toys out the pram, might hit one of his team mates, might publicly criticise his manager, players and club. I could be describing Roy Keane or Patrick Vieira. The difference is this guy can play. He is not a Joey Barton, who's attitude is not backed up by his ability. We have all complained on here for years about our lack of fight, our soft underbelly, how we collapse when we need top stand tall, flee when we need to fight. Too often we have handed victory to the opposition just by turning up and thinking we were good enough to win. All those games with arsenal, utd, chelsea where they just bullied us into submission, and the reason we have such a terrible record against the top 4 sides. This is exactly the type of player we need to get stuck in and make the difference, like the QPR game, where Dembele can not dominate a midfield. M'Villa and Sandro will be a monstrous combo, allowing Dembele or holtby to play behind the striker. His disciplinary record this season is actually not that bad if you check it out. He has 22 caps for France and for 7m is hardly a risk. If it does all go wrong, he is a French international, we would get our money back easily. Also we could then have the prospect of Lloris, Kaboul, M'Vila which could be the spine of the French national team. This guys might have issues off the pitch, but once he is on it, he knows how to play, can we say the same about Ade?
vicspur
Good article, and a fair question, but there is no such thing as a bargain for our Danny, unless he can get him cheap, and get his former club to pay half his wages. Yes the guy is a bargain, he has 22 French international caps, and we could sell, or loan out, Livermore and Hudlestone, neither of whom are good enough for a club with top 4 aspirations, and have Parker and M'Villa vying for the DMF role for the rest of the season. Once Sandro comes back, depending how M'Villa has performed, we could then look at Parker's future, given his age. OK the guy is a bit of a lad off the pitch, and an absolute animal on it, perhaps it's his "attitude" that gives him the edge, making him the player he is. Of course we shouldd be looking at him, but definitely won't be, the same as we won't be looking at anyone else either,
Frank
The fact that AVB is saying no to a DMFer signing, just as he said at the start of the window, "we are happy with the squad we have, and don't envisage making any signings during the January window" seems to suggest that one of the reasons perhaps that he got the job, is that he is a yes man, only saying that which he knows Levy wants to hear.
Frank
If Parker gets injured, then who do we have? Its clear that Livermore is not in the the same class. Hudd is just not good enought to fit into the system we play. Dembele has a trick hip. Sandro is out for the season, not just a few weeks, anyone who thinks we dont need cover is nuts.
vicspur
Frank Harry signed a player QPR can`t afford & he himself went to QPR for the money .WHY ? It`s never Harrys money ,, for Harry it`s Monopoly .As he showed with Pompey ,,

Levy has been stacking it up for the big one ,trust me he`s coming ,just hang in there .Harry turned down the brilliant Suarez ,great eye
big cockeral
we have cover for sandro in parker and livermore and even hudd,when on his game there are not many better than Scottie Parker no need to panic buy if we are to spend it should be on a goal scorer,all of a sudden Sturridge and Ba look value for money!!!
krafty007
Frank, what would you have AVB do, say the sky is falling. His job is to show confidence in the players he has in the squad and to not tip our hand. My guess is he would say he is happy with the squad every day. Wasn't it Harry who said that we didn't buy a few years ago in January because there wasn't anything better out there. Now, I don't like Harry as a manager, but I do agree that if the manager sees nothing he wants that the chairman will buy, stand pat is what you do. I don't think Harry and Levy were ever on the same page. I think AVB and Levy are. Time will tell. COYS
peterballb
Hang on I haven't mentioned either HR or QPR, so hold your bloody horses, all I said was M'Villa is a bargain, a 22 cap French international, at his age, with his pedigree, it's a no brainer. Correction it is a no brainer to anybody with a brain, that can see a player, perhaps it is more difficult for a land economy graduate, who ain't got a fecking clue, and his new "yes man". If Parker gets injured as he is prone to do, then we will be in the manure with the likes of Livermore and Huddlestone, goodbye 4th and CL, neither are even nearly good enough.
Frank
lewis holtby is playing now on espn
ghulamville
Frank, would Sissokho or Belhanda not be better buys? Sissokho is cheaper and Belhanda more. I rate Belhanda as the better of the three so that all makes sense. That said, if AVB doesn't want any of them, or they are looking elsewhere, then we shouldn't do the deal. COYS
peterballb
Thats precisely my point Peterbalb, Levy and AVB are most definitely on the same page. One is a tight arsed pretender of a FC chairman, and the other is fast becoming his side kick, and apologist. Neither are prepared to admit that we need improvement in certain positions, which is obvious to everybody else. With regards spoiling the confidence of, or upsetting players that are not good enough, and need replacing, then go for it, get em told, it's about time we treated pro footballers as men.
Frank
Frank, Levy could not give a damn about football, CL or anything else, and anyone who falls under his spell that he does is well, under his spell. In the words of ABBA, Money Money Money
Cape Town Spurs
Lewis Holtby is starting tonight for Schalke against Hannover on ESPN in case anyone wants to check him out.
BlackStar Spur
Frank, just because AVB is not playing the media against his own chairman as harry did, doesn't mean he isn't pushing for players behind the scenes. I would rather have a manager who understands that this is a team game and presents a united front then have harry cover his own ass by saying we need two or three world class players this window to maintain what we are doing, so lets see what daniel can do... harry's agenda was always to make himself look good and cover his ass, AVB's agenda is to put the club first, not give anything away to the press as to who we may be targeting behind the scenes and keep the existing squad happy by not publicly announcing which players he wants to usurp, now if that is a yes man in your eyes then fine, but I know which approach I prefer
Guernman
as for m'vila, depends on his mentality but it could be tempting to bring him in now on the cheap and see if we can move on parker's wages over the summer if m'vila produces the goods. livermore can be loaned out and hudd sold to fulham and we could well break even on the deal, while upgrading on parker's cover
Guernman
but geuernman, what if it's true?
Cape Town Spurs
levy and AVB will be working on a list of players. We are probably the hardest team to buy for out there IMO, we currently have a team closing in on top 4 but without the financial resources of at least 5 of our competitors. We need really good players to improve on what we have but we cannot pay the wages other teams can. it is not easy and the kind of players we want will rarely commit to us early in a window because of course they would rather united or chelsea came knocking. thats the reality. when we find a player who will commit the we get it done, modric, vertonghen for example. Levy has always backed his managers, and harry was no different. he got to blow a whole load of cash bringing in defoe, keane, crouch, palacios, chimbonda, gallas, parker etc. hardly fille anyone with confidence though does it. However the key tenet to our entire operation is in buying players that are young and talented so that if they do move on we can make a profit. harry just refused to accept this or simply hasn't got the balls, the network or the eye to buy young talent in other leagues. he would never ever have scouted modric and taken a chance on him. no way. unproven in the PL daniel, not physical enough etc... it was obvious that harry's targets were on a different planet to what spurs need to challenge. he benefited from the foresight of others - he built his success around modric, but he would only bring in players he knew and preferably older heads on high wages. we complain that he wasn't supported last january when we brought in saha and nelson, but they were definitely harry targets, just not his first ones, they were tevez and other such nonsense. not helpful, but easy to blame on levy. AVB and levy are on the same page, they are certainly trying damned hard to bring in the players that are good enough to improve us but fit our financial constraints. What good does it do anyone at spurs if AVB goes on about how we need to improve the squad to the press as harry did. certainly doesn't help with the transfers, actually it probably pushes up the prices, certainly doesn't help with the existing squad who need to compete out on the pitch throughout this nonsense. it does help harry of course, cover his arse. even if we don't bring anyone else in, doesn't mean they haven't been trying. I don't think AVB will push for immediate reinforcements, which will rarely pay off, I think he can be thinking longer term. We have a squad that can compete, we will always need a slice of luck, but I want us to bring in the right players, not some rushed panic buy to cover for sandro or adebayor. And I don't want a manager publicising every damned move to his press buddies simply because he can't keep his mouth shut
Guernman
Guernman one of the best posts on this site ever. AVB hired for min 3 years. Time to build squad not just short term fixes.
Wilts Spurs
No new striker for Sunday then.....Defoe will get gobbled up by Vidic.Hope Bale can turn it on and that Van P doesn't punish us.Woud so love us to do the double over Man You...first time in living memory?Unfortunately, I fear a rout.They always get the run of the ball,help from the ref and the usual Fergie intimidaton of the officials.A win for us would be absolutely amazing and would lead to a massive celebration i this house.COYS.
wentworth
Frank, I know you do not like how ENIC run the club, and that's fair enough. But honestly, Levy does nt select the talent. It is the scots and the manager who rate te players they want and provide a list. Just like when VDv was plucked up by Levy, Harry was asked, do you still want him (ie he had been identified, but the previous price ws too high)? They work off a list. I'm sure Holtby was not at the top of that list, but he would have been somewhere on the list. Price made it make sense and you go from there. Then plans adjust. If AVB is to be believed, he wanted both Parker and Sandro in his club. It seems he has a plan. I'm sure he is evaluating every day and we'll know by the end of August what he wants his squad to look like. He had a mess to clean up. He has done well. We need players, BUT, I would suggest, anyone brought in must fit in with AVB's plan and, obviously, with the finances of Levy/ENIC/Lewis. COYS
peterballb
So for umpteen years we should go on just missing out on the CL, as we have for the last 2, for the sake of a couple of strengthening signings, not necessarily 20M signings, just signings that would do better than those that we have in key positions like striker. Mind that is obviously a "long term" issue, we have been waiting for 4 years and counting. So, it would be nice if our esteemed chairman would just put all the expectation, an speculation to bed, and come out and make an unambiguous statement on the web site, and in a series of match day programs, telling the supporters that they shouldn't expect to finish in the top 4, or compete for a trophy etc. as it is unrealistic for the next 5,10, or 20 years depending on how long this "long term plan" is scheduled to last, that we can't expect any meaningful signings during this period, as we save up. If we got an honest statement of intent, then fine everybody would know where they stand, rather than us foolish short termist fools expecting every Saturday that our team are actually involved in competing in the best league in the world now, rather than waiting until some of us are dead, to suddenly complete this mysterious long term plan, and start trying to win things again. Of course there is a chance that the long term plan is interrupted, by Joe Lewis suddenly deciding he can flog the lot, and make a comfy profit, so sod THFC and I'm off. Is that worth waiting for as a result of the "long term" plan. AVB is kidding himself if he thinks he can complete a "long term" plan, he the 8 manager Levy has hired during his tenure, they don't last 5 minutes, never mind long term.
Frank
i would sign mvilla next week
tophobunty
CapeTownSpurs, Levy spends an awful lot of time in the stands for someone who is not a fan. Lewis, fine, he owns the club and nothing I have seen from him indicates that he was a fan. I disagree on Levy and believe he is a fan and a good business man who understands that emotions have no place at the bargaining table. COYS
peterballb
A bit left field, but I'd go for Yossi Benayoun if he's fit and available. We don't need any more holding midfielders, but a passer is definitely top priority, and Benayoun fits us perfectly, as we'll get him cheap.
lordjohnny
On the betting front if you can get 4/6 Schalke on friday good bet. watch out for Julian Draxler another very good young player, he should be coming as well as Holtby. Read more: http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7514324#ixzz2IMgCou1x Itwas 5-4 SCHALKE Draxler scored, Hotlby Scored + 2 assits, good footballer, will be even better with class players around him
spu 4 life
So anyone seen Holtby play today ? Any thoughts on his performance ?
Arky
Benayoun hes a yiddo benayoun hes a yiddo. oh no accident waiting to happen
spurs-stelios
To$$er Bennyonthemoon, lordjohnny what are you smoking i must get some, Jenas woud be better and his out injured thank phuck
spu 4 life
Arky with the players around him his 3 moves ahead of them tonight, as post; Scored + 2 assits, good footballer, will be even better with class players around him
spu 4 life
After dealing with Chelsea's players, doubt that AVB will even consider M'villa with the drama baggage
Arky
Frank, AVB said he intends to be vying for trophies this season. He did not, at any point, suggest this was a project. All coaches are judged on the here and now. Look at Adkins, DiMatteo, even AVB at Chelsea, it's ever, what have you done for me lately? It will be the same for AVB. He knows that. He has bought himself time because of our table position. Frank, we have gone from being a mid-table team, to Jol getting us so close to CL, but in Europe, to a Cup with Ramos and again Europe, to CL and Europe under Harry. 6 of the last 7 years we have qualified for Europe and 5 of those were on table position. We have been 4th twice, 5th 3 times in those seven years. We are getting there. The result of irresponsibility could set us back a decade. When Jol took over, we were considered there with Villa and Everton. We have come out of that pack. Everton still live within their means and are still that next group. Villa gambled with Bent (as an example). 18M and high wages. Kept them up, but look at the mess they are in now. If they move Bent, it will be at a huge loss. Worse still, if they can't move him, they have a player the manager does not want and won't play making wages that will bury them in the Championship. I feel terrible for Lambert who I rate a a top manager. Villa have no more money to give him. They have to make do. I hope they survive the drop. I still can see a scenario where all of Villa, Southampton and QPR drop taking with them 100M in net spend. That is a disaster for all of those ownership groups. COYS
peterballb
Peterbalb if I was a shareholder I would be delighted in the way ENIC run THFC, but I'm not, I am a fan, and as such I suppose my hopes, expectations, an aspirations are different. I hope that the ownership of the club are in the business of striving for success, trophies, enhancing the standing of the club on the pitch, not how much there is in the bank, an how much I might touch for in the event of the sale of the organisation. That's the difference. I find it mind blowingly frustrating that we go from window to window, year on year, with the same obvious problems that if solved, would in all probability turn us into genuine contenders, and there appears to be no determination, or if there is, an alarming lack of success in solving them. One can only draw the conclusion that either there is a lack of will, or the necessary competence, on the part of those involved, or their objectives and those of us fans, are not the same. I don't accept the pleas of poverty, if that were true, then only the richest clubs would ever do any business, which is clearly not true, and our Forbes rating suggests we are far from skint. Of course if our esteemed ownership had fulfilled their first promise on assuming control, we might have our 55,000 stadium in use by now, like our neighbours, and then we wouldn't be able to pretend we are skint, but that is a long term project as well 12yrs and counting, no bricks yet laid, and the latest but far from final estimated finish date is 2018, how much more match day revenue will Arsenal have accrued than us, in the years since their stadium was opened, and ours is finally built. Yes you are right I don't like the way that ENIC "run" Spurs, if that's what you want to call it.
Frank
Spu4life, thanks, hopefully we bring him on this window even if he is surpluss to our needs
Arky
Just watched the Schalke 04 Hannover game, 2 assists and a goal by Holtby. Not a defensive midfielder by any stretch but real vision and great creativity.
RioSpur
Hear, hear Frank. Spot on. Perceptive, incisive, sad but true assessment of our ENIC years. Instead of hiding behind managers, ENIC now need to step up or step aside. They've had plenty of years and probably taken us as far as they can or are willing to. Is this not the language they often use when we change managers? It's time the same language was used about ENIC themselves. Either they $hit or get off the pot.
SpuriousLife
Frank, I am not a shareholder. I am a fan. On who grew up on dad's lap watching Spurs whenever they were on TV here (and all other football as my dad was a player back in the day). I have seen Spurs go from being a part of the conversation in the 70's to being wholly irrelevant by the year 2000. We are now part of the conversation again. I lived in France in 89-90, and even though Spurs were good, they were not part of the conversation. All of British Football was in the doldrums. But out the PL did come. Unfortunately, we missed that boat. We were mired in mediocrity and others, like Arsenal, benefitted while we waited. It has only been in the last 7 or so years that Spurs have gotten back in to the conversation. I am not so naive as to believe the process had begun just then. ENIC, taking control and then consolidating. Fixing the finances and then building off of that, is, IMO, a big part of where we are today. Could be better. Probably hundreds of things that have occurred that I outright disagreed with. But there have been thousands that I agreed with or saw the point to. I look at it on the whole. Financially we are way better off than when ENIC took over and there are stadium plans in the works (even if a snail could get there quicker). On the pitch, from mid table mediocrity to Europe every year and in the CL discussion for 4 of the past 7 years (5 of 8 if you include this season). We have, as an organization, taken a huge step forward. Much work still remains to be done. Harry was hired to make sure that the plan did not go irreparably backwards. Harry was fired for the exact same reason. We need to take the next step, which is even more monumental. We just need to make sure that we don't fall backwards because of it. I believe AVB and Levy are working together to make that next step. Both know investment and restraint, both in good measures, will be needed. I have faith. COYS
peterballb
SpuriousLife, if only the owner woul listen to you when you talk about ENIC. I assure you, Levy and Lewis are happy with the way things are going. They also know that this club can increase the value of their asset immensely. They will not sell until they want to. I will be shocked if it is any time prior to the new stadium being opened and naming rights assigned. Then, their paltry investment will be worth over 1B. That's when they'll sell. Quickest way for that to happen is to get CL and increase revenues which will make the stadium financing less painful. They know that. They just aren't willing to ruin the foundation with stupid, poorly conceived additions. They will also own and operate companies surrounding the lane, all of which are money generators. Unfortunately, for some on here, this is a going concern. Levy, lewis are not going to be diverted from their plan. COYS
peterballb
Spu4life; Second bottle of Chateau Lidl if yermusno. By the way, even with that happy juice I want to put my boot thru the TV. Who's told that Paddy McGuinness he's got what it takes? On the telly all the fecking time. He's a complete ****. He's as funny as a burning orphanage.
lordjohnny
Which wine LJ? COYS
peterballb
Frank, you do ******** moan like a woman ... well women moan less than you your so negative ... we have a budget we cannot spend out of our means if not we will go back to the Irvine scholar days you want that?? not our fault the rules prevented us from being in CL last season ... AVB is the right man and DL is the right Chairman if we spend what we do not have nowadays will end up like rangers did ... AVB will get this right and we have no right to be in the CL every season
E17YID
Chateau Lidl. Only from the finest Albanian vineyards Peterb. Not cheap though @ 4.99 a gallon. Look for the label with a bearded peasant trying to start a tractor. Lovely looking woman.
lordjohnny
lordjohnny, I bet you're one of those prawn sandwich eating "supporters" that Roy Keene was on about all those years ago, what with your fancy wine and all :)
In-spurs-ational
Not available here in Canada LJ. I have a 750ml bottle of Belgian Which's Brew or Terrible from Quebec for this evening. Both about 10% and very well crafted beers. The Belgian one goes for about $7 CDN which is about $20 US or 4. So long as you like it. Terrible or any of the Uniboue beers from Quebec are all fabulous. Not sure if the are available in the UK though. COYS
peterballb
That's right E17. After all, even though ENIC said in 2001 they'd improve capacity we can't complain that they've added 70 seats. I think the extra 70 were done on the drip with Wonga, so we wouldn't get like Rangers as you say. Perhaps in the next 20 years they will make it up to 100, but they'd better be careful, as we don't want another Irving Scholar situation, as Glenn might say.
lordjohnny
That should have read Unibroue. COYS
peterballb
Spoton In-spurs- and them crabsticks, y'know, the red and white things that smell of fish but don't contain any, are you with me?
lordjohnny
LJ, they had to make certain the Mayans weren't correct. It's all about prudence. COYS
peterballb
Unibroue? Sounds like my ex-wife?
lordjohnny
lordjohnny, just reading your answer LMFAO, if i have a down moment i know were to come, pure class. Chateau Lidl, not being near a Lidl, the wine i drink you can shat through the eye of a needle, crab sticks good for you, i like watching a movie and licking fish fingers, nice girl up for anything.
spu 4 life
lordjohnny, the only fish I know about is the stuff that's battered and served with chips (and a kebab)
In-spurs-ational
In-spurs-ational your local chippy is having you over that's battered sausage and chips his serving you
spu 4 life
yann m'vila how much is he 8/9m you could buy aston villa for that
spu 4 life
spu 4 life, and here's me thinking it's battered eel
In-spurs-ational
spu 4 life, do you mean 8 to 9m for Aston villa or 8/9m ie just under 900,000. Either way, I reckon you're over estimating it!
In-spurs-ational
On topic, I think if M'Vila is available for around 8m we should go for him. If he turns out good, we've got ourselves a bargin. If he turns out bad, he's young so we will be able to recoup our outlay by selling him
In-spurs-ational
Tip of the hat to lordjohnny.
TornadoYid
I am pretty weary of all the transfer speculation surrounding us in the gutter press. I come on here and I read worse. Apart from a center forward, we are very strong in both midfield and defence. BUT, all it takes is one injury and all of a sudden, we need a feckin replacement.
No, we have Parker as back up for the excellent Sandro. And we have Livermore (sorry his name is not more exotic sounding!) as back up for Scotty. He's played less than a full season in games for us in his career. Parker wasn't deemed good enough for Chelsea, yet we laugh at them now for the player he turned out to be.
But I forget myself! We are Spurs fans, we judge players instantly ... Tarrabt, Kevin-Prince, Pienaar, Dempsey, Bassong ...
Well done for ruining another promising Spurs career. Who's next?
SpursEagle
Eagle Livermore is *****
tophobunty
LJ- I saw Benayoun play for Spam against Citeh and he was the best player on the pitch and I've not been at the Chateau Lidl!
shedboy2
so for the cost of a new stadium we could pay our transfer fees for the next 30 years...yet our owners are sensible and prudent with finance? lol they are speculators willing to take the biggest financial gamble the club has ever had. Just because it's not deciding to pay a Karloskickaball an extra 20kpw over a 3yr contract but for a bowl of concrete doesn't make them prudent!
shedboy2
RioSpur- I caught about 20min of that game...it was like watching schoolboys....dreadful positioning, no discipline. I saw holtby's two assists but missed his goal....I don't think anyone is saying Holtby is a DM (people still mistakenly call thud a DM!!) but is he capable of playing deeper? can he tackle? yes I'd say so...does he have the discipline? don't know? but he's played deeper before.....
shedboy2
But is Yan the man? only if he fits into the plan stan!...I think we need a STRIKER before anything else
shedboy2
peterballb writes... "I don't think Harry and Levy were ever on the same page. I think AVB and Levy are. Time will tell." Well what page were Levy and Harry on peter, when Levy hired Harry to save his arse from the drop. They were on the same page then alright, cause Levy was quite simply desperate! Levy only started moving onto a different page when Harry overachieved, made us a top 4 and Champions League club, and when Harry stated publicly that he needed the backing of the board to take the team up to the next level, to become genuine title challengers, loser Levy turned the page, cut Harry's spending, and got old the old ENIC back stabbing dagger out for the 10th time (7 coaches and 3 DOF's). Of course It will only be a matter of time before loser Levy back stabs his politically correct (say the right thing) new coach... And then all you ENIC Hotspur fans will come on here and tell us, good decision Levy, AVB had to go! It's only a short matter loser Levy time... ENIC OUT!!!
pelebro
As it occured to any one that AVB and Levy are on the same wave length that being they don't want big name signings. Levy because of the financial climate and AVB because he believes in team ethic and that he can turn good players into quality team players and not interested in superstars.

I don't see the evidence that AVB is a 'yes man' I think he has his own ideas of how to make a club successful and it may mean a different approach to top clubs like Chelsea City Utd in that he doesn't want superstars and the fact that he knows we have the revenue. The way he speaks to the press should not be taken too seriously speculating this and that. He has to handle the press and keep his own counsel at the same time, press talk is a game to ALL managers they ALL handle it their own way.

Guernman very good post and accurate I feel. It is difficult for us this is why I don't think we are looking for superstars, we are looking for younger potentially good players that can learn from AVB system and we can afford to pay and gain a profit if they get moved on this is a long term plan and a solid one. HR did cover his bum and he spends other peoples cash easily but Levy put a stop to it when he saw non of HR players had any resale value and we were ending up with a ageing squad on loads of money. Football is a business and Levy has to think this way he has to get a balance between profit and success on the pitch not an easy task.

Has for replacements for sandro if we get in another player then we have Hudd, Livermore, Sandro and new player for one spot and Sandro to come back next season. It is ok saying loan Livermore out and sell Hudd. Teams and players have to agree with these loans and moves. I think Hudd is a decent player but Spurs has now passed him buy but until we sell him we cannot afford to bring another player in we will end up overloaded. M'Villa may be a good shout but as I said it depends on selling others. It isn't easy as well gambling letting a player go thinking you have a deal done for a replacement for it to fall through like last season or buying a player thinking a deal is going through to sell one only for it to fall through like it did last season with Hudd. It's a high risk game selling and buying in every respect.

I prefer to see a striker at the club. Not bothered about it being a superstar but a hard working scorer who will bring some energy to the team and who is hungry for goals, may be a young striker but one that has enough experience to push for a start. I don't think Ade will be with us next season and Defoe is getting older and will become a bit part player or move on if he is not happy with his role. I also feel we need a creative midfielder as Dembele is not good enough he needs competition. These two positions are important more than a DM but we have to wait and see.
thfan
Incidentally I think HR was the right person at the right time to get us out of trouble and the players he brought in were right, older players with experience and a bit of fight in them. However, when we started to compete for CL we needed a different type of player. Players that had some quality like Saurez and also once we were out of danger we needed some balance throughout the team both on the pitch and on books financially but HR insisted on bring in more ageing players and Levy saw the problems coming and sent HR packing. HR did what he did and he is doing it now. Spending big to get QPR out of a mess and QPR may be able to afford that and happy to do that but will they long term.
thfan
peterballb tells us, "I assure you, Levy and Lewis are happy with the way things are going"... Happy with having the worst trophy per season percentage of any THFC owners in over half a century peter??? Are you stating that ENIC are just using our club to make vast profits when then sell up Peter? And your happy with this? COYS? Or COYE Peter?
pelebro
peterballb, As an ENIC MAN, would you mind letting us REAL Tottenham fans know, what season you believe the new stadium will be completed? Actually, lets not jump to far ahead in time... What season do you believe building works will begin peter???
pelebro
pele(insulttothename)bro.........levy has been in control at a time when it has been the most difficult in history to win trophies because of the new financial (non level) status of the game with Man City and Chelsea buying trophies, everybody understands that. Its naive at best of you to compare their achievements in this way. There is a far more intelligent way to measure their success/failure thaN the method you use. I need to go out now but i can leave my 18 month old son at the keyboard to help you out if you like.
tophobunty
peterballb tells us "They (ENIC) will also own and operate companies surrounding the lane, all of which are money generators. Unfortunately, for some on here, this is a going concern. Levy, lewis are not going to be diverted from their plan." Which companies that surround the stadium will be money generators for Joe Lewis Peter? Could you please explain and let us Real Spurs fans know where you got this information? I walk past these empty plots of land that loser Levy has created, regularly, that have turned the local area, into a corporate soulless wasteland, so would you mind telling us Peter as a COYS online supporter of the ENIC corporation, who visits the Lane once every FEW YEARS, like your hero Joe Lewis, what the hell is going on Peter???
pelebro
tophobunty, another ENIC Hotspur fan happy with our current owners having the worst trophy per season percentage of any THFC owner in over half a century, despite having 2 board members worth over 4 and half billion. These ENIC Hotpur fans quite incredibly get some warped pleasure that our vastly wealthy owners don't like to spend their money on the football club they own? There's only one thing worse than being a scrooge... And that's being a fan of a scrooge!
pelebro
Top- 'it has been the most difficult in history to win trophies because of the new financial (non level) status of the game' - I agree up to that point but the culprit has been the Prem not just citeh and Chelsea...Manu started buying the titles as soon as the PL money was flowing in....
shedboy2
Is peelbro Frank in disguise? This is not a hatred forum Peelbro. U may be a passionate fan but u have distinct qualities one would find in Lance Armstong...
Mix26
and what percentage of your net worth have you donated to the club pelebro? perhaps you should support city if you can only accept an owner who is willing to burn money... but then again how much have they spent in the last two windows
Guernman
c'mon Levy just who's it going to be...Moutinho (we had the money and it was all but sewn up last window, wasn't it?) Damiao, Willian, Eriksen, Isco, Negredo, Belhanda et al? or will it just be dis-appointment, I hear he's on a free.....
shedboy2
Agree shedboy good point about man u also which of course makes it even harder for us. pelebro, don't agree.... I am a spurs fan and was donkeys years before ENIC took over. The best method of measurement is to take the length of years ENIC has been in charge and then compare the league positions for that period/number of years to the immediate period same number of years prior to them taking over. To be fair there should be some factoring in due to this current period being more difficult because of the money into Man City and possibly Chelsea came after ENIC took over at Spurs. Most important thing in our discussion is for you to understand that I support Spurs not the board, are you capable or intelligent enough to do this or blinded by your argument?
tophobunty
shedboy2 spot as usual .
UR the man tophobunty ,with you all the way .+1
big cockeral
There is no need to be abusive Mix26, no pelebro is not me in disguise, we are just 2 of what appears to be a growing group of individuals, who happen to have an alternative view to yours. Incidently where the connection with drug cheat Lance Armstrong comes from, I can't imagine. The merit of a forum is that all diverse opinions can be freely expressed. I and others have our views, you, and Peterbalb an others have yours, incidently to his credit I have had my run ins on here with Peterbalb, I profoundly disagree with a lot of what he says, and believes, but neither of us have ever resorted to abusive comments to each other. Only time will tell which of our opposing view is the more accurate, I hope everybody's views are sustained after 31st Jan, and still valid by 20th May, we shall see. If there is a sudden rush of activity in what remains in the Jan window, that results in the strengthening of the team, I will admit I was wrong. I will also retract on the day the new Stadium opens for business, providing of course I am still alive, which is looking increasingly doubtful. So please just respect other's right to an opinion, we were a democracy, or nearly, the last time I looked.
Frank
Seen Sandros knee ? no wonder he`s out for the season ,blimey .When you see & read this the signing of Yann M`Villa .May need clauses in his contract about kerbing his behaviour .Talent is nothing if you have the wrong attitude .Coming to England could be exactly what he needs to grow up & be all he can be .Clearly the potential is there ,just needs to get his house in order .

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2264790/Yann-MVila-Tottenham-target.html
big cockeral
Sandro's knee injury is very serious, there is no gtee he will come back the same player next season and actually he might not even be ready for the start of the season. I say MVilla at 7-8 million is seriously good business right now.
tophobunty
Lets be fair Big C some of the best players have displayed the attitude of the yob, or the *****. I don't think Roy Keane, or Wayne Rooney would have been the same players without it. There is a knife edge between natural aggression, an edgy attitude, and somebody who can be labelled a wrong un. As a DMFer you need to be more an animal than a gentleman, we have been short of this for years, before the arrival of Sandro, I am sure that M'Villa would be an asset, a bargain, and a rival, back-up, and rotation opportunity for Sandro, would give us the opportunity to farm out Livermore, and possibly sell on Hudddlestone, neither in fairness are good enough to take us on, and address Parker's advancing years, in the summer.
Frank
I see in the "Red Top" press this morning there is an article discussing the claim, by the authors of "Football Manager" Apps etc. using their predictive computer program, hav forecast the PL finishing positions as follows, after analysis of each team's outstanding fixtures. 1) Man U 86 points 2) Man City 79 points 3) Arsenal 73 points 4) Chelsea 72 points 5) Spurs 69 points 6) Liverpool 61 points. I hope they are wrong, but only time will tell. We shall have to wait and see what May 20th brings.
Frank
Of course the thing that would cock-up their predictions would be if we were to dive in and sign Negredo, and Erikson and M'Villa in what is left of the window.
Frank
Frank, What a honor to be mistaken as you, by Mix26, all the way out there on the African continent! Funny how it's always these 'offshore' out of the UK ENIC fan club members like mix26 and peterballb, who have have little or no, personal knowledge or experience of being a real live, stadium visiting Spurs fan, that keep telling us what a wonderful job, the 1 League Cup in 12 seasons, (the worst trophy per season percentage of any THFC owners in over half a century, despite being the clubs first multi billionaire owners) are doing. Season after season, coach after coach it goes on... These Enic fan clubs members keep telling us, what a disgraceful thing it is, that other Joe Lewis like, vastly rich multi billionaire owners of other professional football clubs, actually spend their own money on the football club they own, to help bring silverware and champions League football to their customers. Instead, quite incredibly, these Enic Hotspur fan club members, take great pride, pleasure and joy that our triple billionaire owner, refuses to spend a penny of his own vast fortune on the club they claim to support? Which is the equivalent of someone buying there own home, and then refusing to spend a penny of their own wages to decorate it refurbish it, to make it a cosy and a pleasurable place to live in... So the home stays rundown, incomplete, not quite there, year after year, season after season... It's strange mental illness, this scrooge thing!
pelebro
Frank Roy Keane is one of my best ever players imo ,sheer class.
I was referring to M`villas bad reputation as being more a Adebayor ,Barton ,Ballotelli type character .Difference between having a winners mentality on the pitch ala Roy keane ,Gerrard ,Viera etc .Than being a talented ,but disrespectful & selfish tw*t . I hope M`villa comes as at his best he is class .But the price has come down for him due to being a loose cannon who is very difficult to manage & control .If Spurs can do that then bring him in .Whatever it takes we must get 4th or the cost of losing out on CL (again )will be even higher .
Speculate to accumulate . This squad as it stands will not keep/get 4th imo
big cockeral
If we bring Holtby over now instead of waiting for the summer we can play 4-3-3 with a midfield 3 of Parker, Dembele and Holtby leaving Livermore and Hudd as backup. If one of those 3 is injured / needs a rest we can play 4-4-1-1 with 2 of the three midfielders in the middle and Dempsey up behind the striker. It isn't ideal but I'm not sure M'Villa is the right long-term solution for us.
SpuriousLife
Pelebro, last reported wealth tabels put Abramovich wealth at 4-5 times more than Lewis, ManCity's 8-10 times more than Lewis. When you look at these numbers you need to take account they are not be NET wealth numbers. There is a very strong probability that both Abramovich and Man City's would be substantially better off NET wise than Lewis when you consider the Industries they all come from and or earn out of now and going forward. So it's not at all level, your argument is flawed totally but I guess you will continue with it. Best wishes and happy easter.
tophobunty
Spurious it isn't ideal, so why not do what is ideal? MVilla is ideal, because 1) he is the closest available to Sandro 2) he is available for sale now 3) he is a proven international quality player 4) he is young. 5) at 7-8 million he is very good value for money. So why not do the ideal instead of doing the not ideal? I say do BOTH NOW. Plus sign a quality forward.
tophobunty
i simply don't understand this attitude that we should want any owner to come in and just spend his money. If the club is not or will not eventually be running a financially viable and sustainable model I would be very concerned as a fan. what happens when the owner decides enough is enough. would you really be a QPR fan right now, with a wealthy (but not super rich) owner bankrolling a spending spree which leaves the club with a wage bill at about 200% of turnover, by far the largest on the PL from a club with easily the smallest ground capacity needing some considerable luck to stay in the league. no thanks. especially when the owner actively supports another club altogether. why the hell should I begrudge joe lewis for not wanting to simply throw his own money at the club but rather treat it as its own entity, a business which should run within its own means. this is the only way to ensure the long term survival of any football club, and i would rather be allowed to continue to support my club even if they remain just off the top, rather than see someone come in and gamble its future on a possible short term triumph like QPR, portsmouth, leeds etc. Who knows what the long term future will be for city and chelsea either, when the owners decide they have thrown away enough money.
Guernman
Topho - the problem for me is I worry M'Villa could de-stabilise what appears to be becoming a very settled and together squad. What happens when Sandro (hopefully) returns in the summer? Is M'Villa the type to knuckle down and fight for his place, keeping his mouth shut and working hard for the good of the team? I'm not sure he is and that is a problem. It is also why Adebayor is already looking a little out of place because he is airing his dirty laundry in public. The great strength of Man Utd is they keep everything negative in-house. They deal with it and keep the spirit of the playing squad very together. That is what we are approaching at the moment and something we should look to protect and promote.
SpuriousLife
Topho - the problem for me is I worry M'Villa could de-stabilise what appears to be becoming a very settled and together squad. What happens when Sandro (hopefully) returns in the summer? Is M'Villa the type to knuckle down and fight for his place, keeping his mouth shut and working hard for the good of the team? I'm not sure he is and that is a problem. It is also why Adebayor is already looking a little out of place because he is airing his dirty laundry in public. The great strength of Man Utd is they keep everything negative in-house. They deal with it and keep the spirit of the playing squad very together. That is what we are approaching at the moment and something we should look to protect and promote.
SpuriousLife
Apologies for the double post.
SpuriousLife
tophobunty, The Russian is actually worth approximately twice as much as Lewis and Michael Ashcroft (the other billionaire THFC share holder). If only Lewis and Ashcroft had brought the Spurs fans half the cups and titles the Russian has brought the CFC fans... tophobunty, seriously though, I really think you should speak to someone about this 4.5 billion 'tight as a ducks arse scrooge' disorder you appear to have caught off big Joe and the politician...
pelebro
Spurious, I am concerned about that also, its a good point, you could say that about most international class players though. In Ade's case I am more concerned about how badly he is playing, the two issues could be related though. To me Sandro (or type) gives us our platform to play. We need someone like him to stand the best chance of being top4, without that solid player I think we will NOT finish top 4. I want to minimise that risk, so signing someone so close to Sandro for only 8 million now is a no brainer to me. Lets think about next seasons problems next season.
tophobunty
Pelebro what is the source (link please) for your financial numbers? Because i think I was being kind to you with my numbers, i think the gap is far greater. Do you know what % shares the two have ?
tophobunty
Who cares how rich Lewis is? We do want the club run like Chelsea. The Chelsea fans have to mix frustration and pleasure just like the rest of us. Which Chelsea fan wanted Di Matteo to be sacked? Who wanted Avram Grant of Benitez as their manager? I am just happy that our club is moving well in the right direction. Financially sound. Expecting top 4/5 when previously we were dreaming of that. We just spent 50m on the squad, and two more youngsters in Fryers and Holtby are coming. I personally do not want us to sign a midfielder until summer. We should take our time and work out what AVB needs. We have Sandro covered. You cannot have 3 senior players in every position. I would rather spend the money were we are deficient - up front. To those who think Lewis is tight, you just need to accept that Liverpool, man U, Man C, Arsenal and Chelsea are just plain richer than us. Their revenue is higher, so they can spend more money than us BEFORE the owner puts his hand in his own pocket. Even then, when the owner gets his wallet out, it is NOT a gift. He wants money back. Only Chelsea and Man City have crazy owners who have more money than sense. Everyone else must spend what they earn. This is why our squad management often balances - and this is the ideal way.
TonyRich
shedboy, the club have said that the financing of the stadium is independent of the team budget. Lewis is putting some of his own cash in to the stadium to make the financing work. Just like the training facility, it is all independent of the on field budget, though obviously all are part of the overall value. COYS
peterballb
If Joe Lewis and co' are putting monies into the building of the new stadium....then why was the initial selling of the completion of the project, by Mr.levy..said to be for the season 2012 /13......but has now been put back 4 / 5 years....?? I think it would be a great gesture / legacy...for Mr.Joe Lewis...to leave for the Tottenham / North London area people. Similar to Jack Walker (R.I.P)....and Blackburn. I realise......delays are inevitable and patience is req'd.......but they deserve the flack....simply cos' it was them who sold the project on those 2012 / 13..completion dates. As for....M.Vila.......prefer we got Holtby in now, as extra cover. Sandro....not expecting to see him, till this time, next year.
82spursdebut
Tonyrich, agree with all you say apart from having Sandro covered. Not replacing him now is a big risk to top4 i think. 82 hOLTBY IS totally different to Sandro and is NOT a replacement for him.
tophobunty
Another striker...missed target......bites the dust....and scores..(Remy)..... Ever hopeful....(of a new striker), but the days are counting down.
82spursdebut
top'...sorry, a midfielder is a midfielder to me.....I like all my midfielders...to be two footed and have a decent football brain (i.e....know when and what is required, during the 90 mins' plus..of play).
82spursdebut
pelebro, as it seems you have never read my posts, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and recap my position. Harry was hired because of fan pressure. The team was never going to be relegated. Ramos had won a title (Mickey Mouse according to you - that said he in one full season won as many titles as Harry in three decades, but I digress) and had an entirely new team. New keeper who had never played in England, new backs, new MF'ers and no striker in until after the season with neither Berbatov nor Keane replaced. Add to that the fact that after game 6 it was circulated that Harry had been spoken to (completely undermining the manager as had been done to Jol). We were still in the CC (better than Harry did the past two seasons) and still in Europe. Other than a title we were never going to win, given all the changes, we were still in everything. Oh and we had changed to a 4-5-1 going from our familiar 4-4-2. Other than all that, Ramos had a settled team. It was always going to take time. Ramos was given an entirely new team but no time and Levy was talking to someone else behind the manager's back. I completely, 100% disagreed with Levy firing Ramos, and was even more adamantly against Harry being hired. Nothing, in his previous 25 years of "managing" suggested to me that he had any tactical ability to win cups or to get the best out of a squad. He did not disappoint. Still, vehemently opposed to his hiring, I made no posts for over a year (December 2009) commenting on Harry and the progress of the team. I gave him the year Ramos deserved and AVB deserves. Nothing in Harry's tenure at Spurs changed my opinion of him as a "manager". He cannot manage a squad in four competitions. He has no tactical ability to approach and to change a game. None. Still doesn't. Sure, he parked the bus at home against us. QPR fans have never had it so good. Now, I won't blame him for QPR's financial mess because most was done prior to his getting there. He has, and will continue to add to it. If they get relegated however, I do not expect to see Harry stick around to make it all right. They are up on West Ham (Remy) and may well survive to see the 60M from the PL that they will get with next year's TV deal. They will still operate at a loss. If they go down, well, the fans will never have had it so bad. COYS
peterballb
82spursdebut, well that is all well and good if financial planning, City of London, Haringey and Heritage approvals weren't needed. Did we not just resolve the last issues and finally get permission (which you kind of need) less than a year ago? Liverpool are having similar issues. Never as simple as anyone believes. Now, if Lewis and Levy had been willing to do things the way Haringey, London and Heritage wanted, it could no doubt have been agreed earlier. But they are building the stadium and the project for Spurs and their owners ENIC, not for Haringey, London or Heritage. Can't say as I disagree with them on that one. As it is, they have had to reduce their plans for a 60k seat stadium and reduce it to 56k stadium, as was eventually approved. Those 5-10k seats per gate represent a huge amount of lost potential income. Both sides made compromises and it took time to get it all done. COYS
peterballb
why the hell did we not get rey for 8million
ghulamville
remy that is
ghulamville
Peter - I would be happy to take them at their word that the stadium wouldn't impact upon signings however Levy's word has questionable credibility...Luka, Niko and other players and clubs have all said as much...now he has a degree in land economy so if he can shuffle around a few parcles of land and turn it into a Half a billion I'll tip my hat....BUT we have not invested any NEW money in two years...we're a selling club...he can of course prove me wrong and buy a couple of players that we need...but I am not one who thinks spending half a billion to get an extra 20k more seats in a terrible economy and with the demographic of your fan at 41 and rising is not without HUGE risk, make no mistake it's the biggest financial gamble the club will ever make.
shedboy2
TonyRich, absolutely agree and I think that AVB and Levy will accept that unless one of their targets becomes available. We didn't want Remy. That's not what we are looking at. We are looking at Willian, we were looking at Fryers, we were looking at Moutinho. Holtby became available and they pounced. If they can't get him in until summer, it will be July when he comes. Their plan won't change. I do, however, believe that they are looking to add players. They just have to be guys that fit the plan. Remy did not. We were not in for him because we didn't want him. Levy is not going to make AVB take players he does not want (any more than he did to Harry - Suarez) and by the same token, AVB understands that there is a budget that must be adhered to. Sucks to be us. Then again we could have a share of the almost 100M net spend of QPR, Villa and Southampton. Lerner, by gambling, has potentially set Villa back a decade. QPR, if they go down, will survive so long as Fernandez doesn't mind losing his own money. Southampton will be destroyed and have sacked the manager that would have been able to get them back. Funny how Fernandez, when he bought QPR insisted that clubs be run with financial responsibility as any business should be run. I didn't know he meant Bank of Scotland. COYS
peterballb
peter....fine....but do not ask for monies or announce, show and sell a project on dates that are not achievable. I'm the one who has to explain "Delays" to my son !!...not them !!! Billionaires .....know how to remove walls, when they wish (want)........when they want to.
82spursdebut
82 not all midfielders are the same, come on man, Sandro and Silva twins?
tophobunty
As I recall, Shedboy, Niko's comments were about Modric. Not his own personal situation other than stating that he thought it ridiculous that Levy hold out for what he considered his valuation of Niko and Vedran. I'm not going to argue that Levy should not be getting what he deems is the appropriate value on his assets. Given that someone paid, I'd say Levy was right. Sour grapes. AS for Luka, he met with Roman Abramovich on his yacht, while under contract with us, to discuss going to play for our rivals. I could care less what Modric thinks of the situation. Levy got his money for him (as with Carrick, Berbatov, Keane) and now Modric is considered the worst signing in La Liga. Karma. COYS
peterballb
shed boy....but it's not a Financial risk..just to use your own personal money .........jack walker spent 40mill' of his own money on Blackburn................Even Alan Sugar paid for the upgrade of WHL. Thus...why not....messers' Joe lewis...and co'....spend for the people of north london and leave a legacy, rather than lose millions on the stock market....!?
82spursdebut
top'.....it's all to do with using your own football brain and the instructions you are given......Silva...can tackle...as Sandro can shoot. Ya ya toure.....can defend...but can attack ..when the situations require it. Even "Glenda"..tackled !!....lol
82spursdebut
82spursdebut, how can it not be seen as a financial risk to build a 450M building for a company worth 564M? Now, it's not the risk that a 60M loss would be to Fernandez who is worth 500M (at most) but it's a risk. It's what has Valencia in a huge mess and what has caused Liverpool and Spurs to make certain they are covered. COYS
peterballb
Peter- Levy's credibilty has been called into question on a number of occassions suffice to say I wouldn't do business with him on a handshke!
shedboy2
Peterballb......Alan sugar...by his own words....says he has a bank balance..of plus 100mill'. I wouldn't mind betting that Mr.Joe lewis and a couple of others.....have not got at least twice as much in their own accounts. Thus....if they bought and paid for the stadium, out of their own pockets....then it's not a financial risk !!!!! They would also provide jobs plus more ..for the local people. Filling the stadium.....week in week out......depends on the prices set........but i been many times to spurs...and seen near 50k crowds. As for transport problems.....doesn't exist....WHL....is fed pretty well......few more train carriages, job done. 70k crowds have been known at WHL. The Legacy they would leave would....leave a better taste in the london peoples mouths.........The Blackburn people NEVER say a bad word about Jack Walker.
82spursdebut
IMO opinion I would buy Yann, He would add steel to our midfield and unfortunately we have no idea if Sandro will return same as, he may become another Ledley with crocked knees, not good for his all action style.

We have to face facts that Parker has already had a serious injury and at his age may have a re-occurence or a total breakdown.

Swapping out Hudd and Livermore for Yann would be beneficial to squad numbersand wages not to mention potential resale.

We still need a Striker though, I firmly believe Ade will leave at the end of the season and Defoe would be best kept for the next couple of years as a 'bench' striker. COYS
ro6ertj
peterballb, still on your pathetic mission to discredit the man who saved Danny Boy from the drop, and then turned underachieving ENIC into the owners of a top 4 and Champions League club. I backed Ramos as much as I backed Harry, as I now support AVB, but unfortunately AVB is not being backed by the board, neither was Harry after he saved Levy's arse, neither was Jol, neither was Ramos, who had both his feet cut off, when that idiot Levy sold Berbatov, Defoe, and Keane virtually at the same time, in similar manner to how the idiot threw away VDV in the summer, which made AVB's task all the more difficult after the loss of Modric! No wonder the goals dried up and Ramos was not able to advance on his League Cup achievement, the one and only piece of silverware under Enic... Levy should have been sacked, not Jol! Levy should have been sacked, not Ramos! Levy should have been sacked not Redknapp! And Levy should be sacked before he welds his nasty little Enic dagger into the back of his 8th coach in only 13 seasons. Your trying to turn this whole ENIC 12 seasons of failure, onto one Harry Redknapp, shoulder the entire blame onto the most successful THFC Premiership and European coach in the entire Enic and Sugar era's, (statistical fact) When the real blame lies solely at the feet of Danny Boy loser Levy and his scrooge of sugar daddy boss. Keep dreaming that QPR go down this season Peter. Keep dreaming that Harry fails to achieve in west London, what he achieved on the North Side. Have you ever been to the West side of London Peter? Ever been to Loftus Road Mr THFC online internet expert???
pelebro
82 i will stop this one with you now, its a waste of our time, thank you. So Silva can be the same as Sandro in your world. and your maths and risk evaluation...so If Lewis has x2 100mill = 200 mill you say it would not be a risk for him to finance a 250 plus million stadium out of his own pocket...go on tell us you must work at one of those honourable British Banks...
tophobunty
FFS pelebro, the only clubs in western europe that are bankrolled by billionaires are Man City, Chelsea and PSG. Where's the Glazer's money? Multi billionaires and yet they didn't even buy the club with their own funds, just saddled it in debt. Some people need to get a grip, or grow up, or grow at least half a f***ing brain.
Crissybwoy
pelebro, are you Levy's illegitimate son that he shunned from birth? Seriously, did he rape you as a kid or something?
Crissybwoy
82spursdebut, just because Joe Lewis has Billions of dollars does not mean he has it in the bank account, nor does it mean he is willing to divest himself of other assets/interests to make that happen. It needs to be financed. Just because Fernandez is willing to throw away 10-20% of his own net wortg on a gamble, does not make it good business. Lewis has at all times shown that he is not willing to bankroll Spurs in the fashion Chelsea and City do. As for transport, security etc, Haringey, the Police, London Transit and the City would all beg to differ with what you state. The question came down to who should pay. Lewis/Levy did not believe we should have to accept a reduced stadium while having to shed out all the costs. They compromised. Spurs accepted a smaller venue and related projects while Haringey and London undertook part of the security/infrastructure costs. That's my understanding of the situation and is the only logical reason to lower your capacity 9k below what you wanted. COYS
peterballb
I'd think you were Harry himself, but then the dumb c*** already admitted to not knowing how to use a phone or computer. :)
Crissybwoy
topho, you've made some very good points in this thread, too much sense for some it would appear.
Crissybwoy
top'.......i'm saying midfielders are midfielders..and all proffessional, extremely well paid footballers......should be able to tackle and shoot.....in FOOTBALL.....lol Stadium.....i said...Mr.Lewis and co'...(co'....means more than one and usally a few). Better they spend their monies here......than waste it on stock exchange....or spend on Leisure properties / activities ..abroad. BUT then ....i am a spurs fan and Enfield lad !..plus England ..till i die !!...lol
82spursdebut
It's funny people blame Levy for Harry leaving.....err, the contract was on the table and he DIDN'T sign it, believing his media cock-suckers that the England job was already his. No loyalty, no respect, and yet god-like status is bestowed upon him. The reason Harry left was because of Harry, swallow it because that's the bottom line. Turns out that some of the fans he called idiots really are idiots, they still back him after he dissed the club they "claim" to support, yet they haven't ever typed a supportive word in their entire lives. Hmmm.
Crissybwoy
Pelebro, I can only assume that you started following Spurs in 2008/2009. Your complete lack of understanding of where we were and the glories we have seen is quite sad. Ramos, in one year, won more cups with Spurs than Harry did. Jol, with far inferior talent (the same that Ramos won the cup with) got 5th twice despite the lack of talent and with a much more dominant top 4. Harry, with the best squad Spurs have assembled in at least 3 decades managed 8th, 4th, 5th, 4th. IMO, he took the third most talented squad in the PL those last 2 years to tjose dizzying heights. Awesome. He is where he belongs. In a relegation scrap with a team, talented long beyond its table position and an owner wiing to spend spend spend. Let's see where QPR when Harry leaves. Wil they folow Bournemouth, West Ham, Southampton and Pompey, or will their owner protect the club as Levy did. I am not the judge in this. Time will be. COYS
peterballb
Peter......i'm happy with 50k stadium.....that seems fine. Wasn't me who said we had substantial season ticket waiting list. Yes, i'm guessing how much ..Joe Lewis and co' have in their own bank accounts.....but i gave you Mr Sugar as a example (he said what he said to the itv public). But if they are billionaires....and do not have at least a few hundred million in their own bank accounts.......then, they would be very daft !!....lol
82spursdebut
Sugar told everyone on telly Amstrad computers were the future...EL TIT HEAD
tophobunty
Crissybwoy, my thank you and also now I know how to get cock-sucker by on here a double thank you...and i agree 200% with you ref Redknapp
tophobunty
Crissybwoy, No Levy never raped me, but he and his quadruple time billionaires are deep into the process of raping THFC as they did at all the other clubs they owned... Just like their Mafia mate Sir scum Sugar, when he walked away with 75 million, his reward for turning THFC into a Pony joke... George Graham, and his apprentice Danny boy included. Yes this Enic mob will sell up and walk away with hundreds of millions more to add to their 4.5 billions... Please god they sell up to someone outside of the ENIC/SUGAR MAFIA next time around, or we will be a haunted club for life... We want our Tottenaham Back! Yids...
pelebro
Pelebro, 40M on strikers is more support than I recall any Spurs manager having. He then saw how Keane then Crouch were of limited use and determined that Defoe was an impact sub. For that same 40M he could have bought Suarez and Falcao who were both, along with Dzeko being labeled as the next wave of young strikers when Harry bought Defoe and Keane. Not supported by the chairman Chimbonda, Palacios, Kranjcar, Pienaar, Gallas, Friedel, VDV, Pletikosa, Saha, Nelsen, Kaboul, Walker etc.

No support at all. Honestly. Wake up. COYS
peterballb
pelebro, cuss Sugar all you want, truth is he saved us from becoming insolvent, so yeah, he didn't set the world on fire with his decisions and his "carlos-kickaballs" quotes, but if it wasn't for him you probably wouldn't even have a Tottenham to say that you want back.
Crissybwoy
You'd rather Levy sold up to Hicks and Gillette, or Peter Ridsdale, or Sulaiman al-Fahim? The grass isn't always greener, trust.
Crissybwoy
As I said Peter, I support all THFC coaches. I did not enjoy the football under Jol As much as Ramos, or Harry, but a THFC coach he was, and he did not deserve to to be backed stabbed by loser Levy, nor did Ramos or Harry! As for how long I have supported Spurs, well I got my first season ticket back in the early seventies as a schoolboy... My father has watched the team since the 1950's. There was life before the dark days of Sugar and Enic you know... 1991 was the last FA Cup final, the season before Sugar... But the glory days will return, when this ENIC Corporate mob, have cashed in, moved on, never to return... Leaving behind those empty plots of Corporate wasteland... COYS
pelebro
Pele, some facts please. Have we improved league position since Enic came in? Have we improved our financial situation since ENIC came in? The factual answer to both questions is yes. It's easy to always find the negative in things but a depressing way to be. On balance they have been at least good owners for us. I want more, so do most here and would like more in the next two weeks. But have they improved the club I like? YES...... It really is something not worthy of much discussion................ I had a stunning girlfriend once (only once) but she had a very small spot on her bum so i ditched her, shortly after I have a girlfriend with a wart for a face who had a very small but beautiful spot on her bum, well as I saw it. I seemed blinded for some reason and got stuck with wart face for a while. I guess that's life hey?
tophobunty
ps my mrs is sitting next to me and does not have a wart face or a spot on her bum.....
tophobunty
sorry meant to say the Club I love. not like..... Pele, we all want more mate, in a way we agree and I guess we are both passionate as are so many peops on here. But facts remain just that. I want more, lets hope we get it this window. However I dont see how Levy back stabbed Redknapp, Redknapp stabbed himself repeatedly in the front of his body under the full glare of the media TO THE EMBARRASSMENT OF A CLUB WHICH HAD supported him to the hilt including a MASSIVE salary knowing full well he was facing HUGE SCRUTINY AND POSSIBLE prison...I say that was a show of support over and above the norm in any walk of life....Harry should be grateful for what this great club gave him and how its chairman supported him.
tophobunty
All I would say on the stadium project is, just look down the road, 60,000 stadium and CL football every season during the ENIC tenure of Spurs, why? It is obviously not impossible, they achieved it, they even started their 14 seasons of CL before the stadium, all this without the combined riches of at 2 multi-billionaires i.e. Lewis, and Ashcroft, and 2 more not so far off, Levy and Sugar, it must be possible, they did it. Perhaps not hiring and firing 8 coaches, and the far less astute transfer dealings at Spurs, is partly the reason, they buy right and sell right, they more than balance the books, but not at the expense of quality. No they haven't won a trophy for 7-8 years, while we have won 1 Mickey Mouse Cup. Together with us they will find it difficult to loosen the grasp of Utd, City, and Chelsea on the major trophies, but at least they enjoy the CL every season, as we have once. So what's the secret, what are they doing that Lewis/Levy can't, or won't, do?
Frank
Tophobounty, I am no HR apologist but he wasn't facing prison, he was innocent, ask the jury, if you believe in our justice he was innocent until proven guilty, as no one was able to do. A club with Joe Lewis as owner, and Michael Ashcroft as a leading shareholder, should know all about tax evasion, as past masters, and whether he was likely to get convicted or not.
Frank
Arsenal were winning trophies regularly at the time, they have a far bigger brand, much more world-wide exposure and fanbase, and bigger sponsorships than a club that hasn't won the top division for OVER 50 years. Ask me again what the difference is between us Frank? It's obvious that we're trying to build the stadium without having to rely on getting top-four every year without going to the wall. It would be nice if we all thought outside the box once in a while.
Crissybwoy
Frank ha ha Redknapp innocent .You don`t get done for tax evasion without clear evidence . All you need is a solicitor who is the same one who gets rich people off their speeding convictions ,they speen & he gets them off ,crazy . But you think OJ was innocent too .Money talks in the world of law
big cockeral
Saved me a job there big c.
Crissybwoy
Frank if he was found guilty he could have gone to prison Frank, that is the risk we took by choosing to stand by him as a club. He should be grateful for that support and people like you who like the guy should thank our club for that support. The tax evasion case was only part of his story last with along with the England job and our complete capitulation in the second half of the season.
tophobunty
Frank, Usmanov, ONE arsenal shareholder is worth about 6 times the combined value of our two shareholders you keep mentioning. Reading your posts and some of the reaction to them i really wonder why on earth you support this club. You cant seem to accept the factual progress we have made. It would surely be sensible for you to support a club much closer to the picture you paint that we should be. Can you name two? If you can I will write to the one you prefer on your behalf or gladly but you a junior membership at the said club = to the value of a lillywhites membership at Spurs. Go on it will make you happy and change your life.
tophobunty
I was supporting Spurs before you were a twinkle in your ol man's eye Tophobunty, an definitely before our Red Sea pedestrian friends Lewis and Levy came along. Whats more I will continue to have my say regaring the way they are "running" THFC. I was here when we were winning things, and I would bet that the Architect of it all Billy Nicholson is spinning in his grave watching these comedians, incidently Usmanov is a late comer at Arsenal. Taliking of tax evasion, if anyboy should know all about that it is messrs Lewis and Ashcroft.
Frank
Crissybwoy-Arse have a bigger brand now but they didn't...they were boring boring arsenal...they got the brand by winning on the pitch....they did that first, then the stadium and now they are *****ing their own supporters off...but wenger is a genius hate to say it but the man has built them solid foundations....what I can't understand is our desire for a new stadium it will only catapult us to the level of Newcastle...in the grand scheme of things not a lot for 30years worth of transfer fees when a little bit of a push on the pitch now we could start building the Spurs name back to where it belongs...
shedboy2
@Pelebro, I am 30 years old, and as someone who is generally outgoing and pleasant, as well as respectful to everyone I meet, I can count the amount of times I have genuinely disliked someone on one hand, and never have I disliked someone on a fans forum..... until now!

I am amazed that, as a Spurs fan (apparently, as I am yet to truly believe you), you spout the most ridiculous tosh that I have ever had the misfortune to stumble across, online or in person.

You mentioned previously (and I quote) that Alan Sugar, whom you so eloquently refer to as 'scum', 'turned THFC into a Pony joke', yet you completely refuse to acknowledge that without Alan Sugar, there would be no THFC.

You constantly slate ENIC, due to your idiotic belief that they will not invest money, yet your accusations are not backed up by fact. Let me enlighten you a little with a few facts.....

1) Spurs have spent spent more money on transfers in, since the inception of the PL, than all but 4 clubs, Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool.

We are the most profitably run club, outside of the CL regulars, in the world. In case you don't know, we have qualified only once since the CL, in its current format, was introduced in 1992/93. Yet, still, we are the 11th richest club in the world.

In addition to our lack of money-spinning CL football, we also have a stadium that seats only 36,320 fans at any one time. This is, believe it or not, only the 10th largest stadium in the PL (not even in the UK, as both Celtic and Rangers have a larger ground, as do Championship clubs Sheff Wed and Leeds). This is also without looking throughout various other European leagues, to see who else boasts a larger capacity than Spurs.

Whilst I believe that ENIC could have been a little more adventurous over the last 2 or 3 seasons, at no time would I ever completely overlook the hugely positive impact that they have had on THFC since they took control.

Moving on from Spurs, and onto your seemingly favourite footballing personally, Harry Redknapp. Please keep in mind that it was him, and not THFC, that not only chose to turn down a lucrative contract extension, whilst going through a high-profile, possibly career ending court case for tax evasion, and to subsequently 'whore' himself for another job. It really annoys me when idiots, and I include you when I say idiots, assume that we, or more specifically Daniel Levy, treated Harry Redknapp unfairly.
molesy
@Frank, there is a huge difference between being found not guilty and being innocent
molesy
Why are Arsenal a bigger brand than us, I can remember being accused by Arsenal supporters of only coming down to Highbury, as we used to do, if we couldn't afford away trips, to take the *****, they were miles behind us. We were doing doubles, winning European trophies etc.etc. They were crap, all I'm asking is why they are where they are, and we are where we are. Our owners ENIC have been around 12 years+, their first statement of intent was to increase match ay revenues by enlarging or replacing WHL, how long did it Arsenal to build their new stadium, ours from announcement of intent to completion is looking like 18-20 years, providing the finish date is not extended any further than the current 2018. I think mine is a fair question. I also mentioned the 8 coaches that Levy has hired and 7 fired, how do you defend that, we have spent almost as much money paying off coaches, as we have building the squad, if that's succeeding, I'm bloody glad we haven't "failed", or Christ's knows where we would be. What about the shortage of honours during the ENIC period, how do we explain that. We have won as many trophies as Birmingham City, and been in as many finals as Millwall and Portsmouth, great. Many are happy that the club is run like a branch of Goldman Sachs obsessed by the balance sheet, and potential sales value and eventual profit, whereas I, and some others, believe that as a FC, we should be equally or more interested in success on the pitch, winning football matches and honours and trophies, which is quite obviously not the case under the current ownership, as there have been several opportunities scorned to establish this club in the elite, the most glaring being when we finished in the last 8 of the CL, and we failed to build on it by improving the squad trying to make it a year on year objective, consequently we have failed to repeat that achievement. This ownership will not "take a punt", of course sometimes you are going to get it wrong, that's the nature of the beast. But better to fail having given it a proper go, than to die wondering.
Frank
Incidently if we are bandying figures about spends about, in terms of NETT spend on players, as opposed to recycling incoming money as we did last window and still made a profit again, we are in the bottom 6 clubs in the PL, so this myth about spending is spurious, unless it is NETT spend, new money, fresh investment.
Frank
Frank ok Arsenal it is. I will buy you a basic junior Arsenal membership and then at long last you can be what you have always wanted to be; an Arsenal Fan. I will also try to pick you up a book on how they built their new stadium so quickly, which you could read before you go to bed every night. Think of it as kind of a coming out for a wanna be cross dresser. Best Wishes.
tophobunty
Arsenal: League Champions 1991, 1998, 2002, 2004. FA Cup winners 1993, 1998, 2002, 2003. League Cup winners 1993. European Cup winners Cup 1994..... Yeah Frank, absolutely no reason why they're a bigger brand than us with our 1 FA Cup and 2 League cups in that entire time, there's apparently NO difference in your book whatsoever in achievement in that period, so why should they be the bigger brand, have bigger sponsorships and a bigger fan-base with vastly more revenue? I actually think you're taking the p*** now, just cutting and pasting the same warm diarrhoea spilled over and over again specifically to annoy people. They only won 9 major trophies to our 1 in that whole time, including the league on 4 occasions, so naturally we're EXACTLY on par with them and should be treated as entirely the same entity, as you always seem to do. Oh, and if I cut one year off that (1991) then we've won no major trophies to their eight in the last 21 years. Can't believe I had to waste my time typing that.
Crissybwoy
Crissy, I don't quite get why people don't get it. I can understand it if it were late 70's. Spurs were up there just behind ManU and Liverpool. We were on TV around the world. Since the 80's we have been a shadow of that. English football got hammered because of hooliganism and the Italians were the game stoppers. Really the PL coincided with the resurgence of English football. The fact is that when the PL started we fell behind while Arsenal stepped forward. They got the glory while we laboured. It matters not who was to blame. Money became the deciding factor and if you weren't in the CL, you didn't get the cash. We weren't. Liverpool, ManU, Arsenal were (back in the days of 3 teams). That's where the money went and the disparity between clubs increased. Now we have started to turn the tide on that. Through youth and through wise transfers we have put together a very good squad. All that despite the fact that we don't have a 60k seat stadium, don't have regular CL, don't have the worldwide audience and don't have an owner who will float largesse. Despite all that we have finished 5th, 5th, 11th (won a cup), 8th, 4th, 5th, 4th and in that time have gone from a franchise value of 243M to 564M. We balance the books (plus or minus) and can compete with the best. We lost 3 great players but have added some quality and have added a manager who has proven he can manage a squad and has some tactical davy. We are on the right path. I take nothing for granted. We must push on, but to ignore where we were and not appreciate where we are and where we could go would be insane. IMO. COYS
peterballb
Naturally I'm pre-empting that as usual our lack of silverware will be addressed by others as entirely Levy's fault, as all the 'smaller' clubs than the proper big guns (by relative comparison) in other countries clearly regularly clean-up silverware and have all done for years, setting a fine example to us of where we're going wrong. Fiorentina, Villareal, Hearts, Hamburg, Bordeaux, all basking in the glory and counting the recent enormous trophy haul that their relative smaller budget should apparently in a cartoon world guarantee them. We're as successful as them winning next to nothing with an entirely relative similarity in stature, division-wise. We're the sixth highest 'turnover' just in our OWN DIVISION, good luck with the self-righteous ********* that we should be regularly winning things and that it's some kind of administrative ownership cock-up that we haven't. Some people are so good at maths when it comes to our finances, yet clearly are unable to work out that we're not even in the top 1st quarter of revenue teams in the whole Prem. Arsenal, with a shareholder that has over 3 times more wealth than Lewis, and that spent A MILLION pounds more A WEEK than us on wages last year, finished a highly credible and massive 1 point above us. Sorry to be entirely 'real' about it but we're punching above our relative weight financially, and I for one am entirely unhappy with that, Levy out!
Crissybwoy
Yann is not the same type of player Sandro is for a start. Those that are claiming he is haven't seen him play. He is a good player with a good engine and passing range. Frank is a troll. That or he is senile. We were never winning doubles (which would indicate plural) we won the double once and the league twice. Arsenal had won 6 titles before we won our first, we had only been promoted the season we won our first title. Imagine a situation where a promoted team wins the league? To compare what we ONCE did and make out as if we have a history of winning titles. Then say we DESERVE to be doing it and the fact we are not doing so is the fault of the owners is simply asinine.
judge
I'm right behind you both on the entirely relevant points made by peter and judge. I can always see both sides of any argument, but why appreciate the progress of how far we've come in recent history when it's far easier to moan about where we're not at and pick holes in everything? Even when we win some are too quick to point out all the negative parts and write numerous paragraphs on things that weren't perfect in the game, if you can't enjoy the three points for what they are then get bent and watch sailing or something else instead, we're doing better than most expected this season, still not good enough for some.
Crissybwoy
It seems we have a few generational issues...some seem to think the world started with the prem, some remember further back to when the teams were more closely matched. Some will find it hard to believe that Arsenal were the worst team to watch, the stoke of their day lump it up top and have 4 terriers in midfield to win it back again....Arsen changed the way they played, they bought world class players (rioch bought bergkamp) that's how they built a media reputation for playing good football, started winning things and so could afford to gamble on the emirates...I'm not saying ENIC out (yet) but some on here are nailing their colours to the owners, not the club, I find that hard to understand.
shedboy2
This site is going to the fu**ing dogs. A couple of truly moronic & abusive 12 year olds appear to have got on their high horse because their beloved melting candle faced crook of a manager was given the boot for being a flappy mouthed chancer with no respect for anyone but himself, and even that's debateable!!

looks like he had a point when he labelled THFC supporters as "idiots". He must have met the little boys who have appeared on this site to drag it down to almost gutter level.

Why don't you just go and support QPR so your right arms can have a regular workout whilst you think of the guy who blew his chance at the biggest club he's ever worked at, and will ever work at. 1 trophy in 30 years of management & he's got you turning against your own supporters. GROW UP FFS!!

Ox, it's now becoming a pleasure to not log into this site!!
coopsieyid
molesy for PM. Well said fella, nice to know there are still a few member on here with a couple of brain cells remaining!!
coopsieyid
molesy ... Fine post. agree completely

coopsieyid .. Agree with your last two posts also.

COYS !
ro6ertj
Amen ro6ertj

COYS
coopsieyid
coops - you do see the irony in being abusive about posters who are being abusive? I still think this is one of the best sites and open to more detailed debate than in twitter...there are a few who resort to personal abuse but in the main they do that when their argument breaks down. You also have to remember we have all ages and educational backgrounds on here as well as people for whom English is not their first language...
shedboy2
Coopsie with you 100% mate
tophobunty
Crissybwoy, very good points mate, well balanced and factual.
tophobunty
molesy , smashed it .No coming back from that ,genius post
big cockeral
Shedboy it has nothing to do with a generational thing, and nothing to do with the inception of the Prem. Frank asked why Arsenal are a bigger brand, I used VERY RECENT to history to overly prove my point on why they're a much, much bigger club than us, and therefore more able to build their stadium with their increased revenue. He keeps comparing us to them, which is ridiculous as every club is individual, last time I checked we're Spurs, with our own identity, not Arsenal.
Crissybwoy
Crissybwoy The one reason why Arseanl is bigger than Spurs is down to one man ARSENE WENGER .
What he has done & built for that club is nothing short of genius .CL around 15 years in a row spending less than us ?

until Spurs get the right manager they will always be found wanting ,i hope AVB is the man .Look at Wengers signings when he first came ,the platform & standard was set ,Henry ,Bergkamp ,Pires,Petit,Viera,Overmars etc etc .
AVB needs to do that ,set the standard & keep it there .Arsenal are not in the top 5 of EPL spenders ,Spurs are .
The manager is the key because imo everything else is in place ,the board is .Now need to raise the bar
big cockeral
Although I agree with the points in your post big c, even under George Graham Arsenal were winning things. 'New' fans support clubs that are winning trophies at the time, I see kids today with Chelsea shirts, yet can clearly remember when they were getting gates of 15,000. We almost missed a near entire generation of 'new' fans because of our continued underachievement in the 90's and 00's, Arsenal used to be on-par with us but they were near the top of the tree when the game flooded with money, and then as a bigger brand they were able to secure funding and bigger sponsorships for their new stadium much easier than we're able to atm. I entirely agree about the quality of signings in your list, and the fact Wenger has done a ridiculous job over the years. Just tired of the same old bollo(ks question of "why can Arsenal build a stadium in such short time and we can't", well guess what, Abramovich has been looking to either expand Stamford Bridge or move stadium SINCE he bought the club 10 years ago, and even with all their near endless wealth they still haven't laid a brick either.
Crissybwoy
Crissybwoy that`s true .Remember the goal Davis (i think ) scored at Liverpool ? . A big part was Irvin Scholar & Liverpool getting English clubs kicked out of Europe for 6 years .
In those 6 years English clubs were banned how many times would Spurs have qualified ,& played these games generating money ?
We were on the brink until Sugar came ,but yes he done well & thanks for that .
Who owned Amstrad that was making all this new Sky equipment in the early 90`s ? he himself done very well .Good business man ,but as a football man was miles away
big cockeral
Not only did we miss the money from europe, but also gaining worldwide exposure and the bigger fanbase that goes with it. Sugar himself admitted he knew nothing about football when he bought the club, I don't begrudge him for saving us though, even if we were steeped in mediocrity, if we'd gone to the wall I wouldn't and could NEVER have supported anyone else, I would have just stopped watching football.
Crissybwoy
Crissybwoy +1 just hope we do something this window or i too may have my doubts about levy .Always backed him & as i like what he tries to achieve ,but he is making me nervous now .10-11 days left to prove those right ,or those wrong .
big cockeral
 

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12. Man Utd 5 1 2 2 1 5

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Spurs Win! 34%
Draw? 11%
WBA win... 55%