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Why so dismissive of Hooper?

The internet if rife with talk that Spurs could make a bid for Celtic striker Gary Hooper, much to the disgust of many Tottenham fans.

Of course, Hooper is playing in Scotland, therefore he has to be rubbish, would appear to be the thinking of many, and the fact he has scored 71 goals in 116 games North of the Border at 0.6 goals per game is purely due to useless opposition in the league that his side dominate. However his 4 Champions league goals in nine games might counter that argument, though lets not let anything positive about the player detract from the character assassination, even before there is foundation to the link.

Hooper will be twenty-five next week and would appear to be improving every season as a player and scorer. Sure he is playing in a league that is probably rating somewhere around our Championship level, perhaps below, however is there an ability in him to step up in quality and become a natural scorer at whatever level he plays? Perhaps as English fans, we dismiss any player in Scotland, but as we have seen in the past, that hasn't stopped someone like Henrik Larsson, leaving Celtic for Barcalona, and Hooper is probably their best striker since the Swede left in 2004.

Lets not forget that Hooper is English and he will surely see moving South as a way to attract Roy Hodgson to his talents at a higher level and perhaps we need to consider the opinions of our coaching staff over our own 'expert' views, should they decide he is good enough to perform for Tottenham. Now I haven't really seen enough of Hooper to suggest whether he is or isn't good enough for us, however I am happy to back the judgement of AVB and his team. Perhaps if he was an exotic foreign signing or playing in an exotic foreign league, we would be excited, but because he is an Englishman, playing in Scotland, he is by simple definition rubbish.

Though only 5'9' tall, Hooper is a player that is seen as comfortable holding the ball up and also linking well with his midfield. Add to that he is rated highly as a natural scorer, perhaps Spurs fans shouldn't dismiss his attributes lightly. Hooper was originally on the books of Spurs from the age of seven, until his release at 14, and that release has always been something to rankle with the player and is suggested to be a driving force in his career to prove Spurs wrong. Whether based on past history, he would welcome a return to WHL, remains up for debate, but judging by the premature reaction of our fans, he might prefer to play his football elsewhere and save himself the hassle...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Tuesday January 22 2013

Time: 5:54PM

Your Comments

Cos he aint the quality we looking for, we can't wait all this time for a striker and sign Gary Hooper, Ox I know you always big up the average players we are linked too. I would rather we wait and stay with what we got.
Ossie
You've stated all the reasons why he is not what we need. He is a similar player to defoe in height and build and it would mean that the two of them couldn't play together. He is not proven in a top european league, let alone the premiership. He was playing for league 1 team two seasons ago. Also at £10m, he surely doesn't even represent value for money. Not the statement that would strike fear in the top PL teams.
Gibyid
I think it might just be a gamble worth taking, just like getting AVB as manager was.
The Hudd
Here's my take on this. Hooper is fast, strong and most certainly knows where the back of the net is. He has not looked out of place in Europe. The issue I have is the 10M, which I find inflated. I accept that he will not come to us on paltry wages (if he will even consider us given our history with him). Son and Mitroglou (who is being suggested as the man Celtic will bring in to replace Hooper - no doubt with the help of Samaras) will cost about the same. I would suggest the other two would offer better cover and they too have looked at home in Europe. For me, I'd do the 2 for 1. Hooper will settle quicker, in all likelihood. Son and Mitroglou, if successful, could represent huge merchandising potential. Regardless, if we do somehing, and AVB is on board with it, it will take the pressure off the striker issue, and then perhaps we'll also nick Negredo, who I feel will move on the 31st to whomever he prefers. COYS
peterballb
COME ON! REALLY!!!!!!??
TornadoYid
Not EVERYBODY is dismissive yung oxfordspur ;).

Delusions of grandeur are visible amongst the ranks of many THFC supporters. You see, the probelm is, his ame isn't exotic enough, he's excelled in te SPL, and apparently any old duffer can succeed there? So he must be dismissed with immediate effect & consigned to the 'not good enough' pile!!

I remember the same dismissal of Jelavic when members on here were suggesting him before he went to Everton, only for pretty much every member of this site to come out last season & admit that they were wrong & he was an absolute bargain. Now he's apparently $hit again lol...

Personally I'm in no position to say wether I'd like to have Hooper or not, because I've not seen the guy play. That said, I'm not narrowminded enough to siply dismiss im as 'no good enough' because we'd be signing him from the SPL. I remember Man Utd signing a striker from the SPL once, from Celtic, he didn't turn out too bad for them. It just so happens that the people at Celtic are now talking about this lad Hooper in the same way as they did about Larsson.

Ox, thanks for the article. I look forward to reading the responses (dismissal of this absurd thought lol).
coopsieyid
Hooper is 3 or 4 inches taller than Defoe. He is 5 years younger. His scoring rate per 90 minutes is way better than Defoe has ever seen. He is stronger than Defoe and holds the ball up well in Europe and in Scotland and he is much more effective (in games I have seen) playing off the shoulder of the last defender. There are no guarantees other thn he won't be coming unless AVB wants him. In that, I trust. COYS
peterballb
I'd rather get Kane back from loan or give Obika a chance, than buy a striker with no pedigree. I hope that the reports about the Sevilla chairman meeting in London earlier in the month were Negredo to Spurs related and the reason it hasn't happened yet is Levy playing brinkmanship to see how desperate their finances get by Jan 31.
Gibyid
Like i said if Defoe played for Celtic right now he would score 30 plus goals a season. Thanks but no thanks. This is why we get left with players on the books, we can not shift. Not good enough for a team going for top four. Hence the links with Norwich. How long have the club been looking for a forward to come up with Hooper.
nothappyharry
Similarly can't comment on him, so wouldn't dismiss him out of hand. 4 CL goals shows he is no mug. But the whole story does smack of Levy running around in a panic trying desperately to sign someone at the last minute. Again! I might be wrong and it's all part of his grand plan, but...
ParkLaneBB
Gib - "He is not proven in a top european league".. What on earth is the CL mate? Surely there isn't a tougher European League out there?

"Not the statement that would strike fear in the top PL teams"... Fair play. Then again, statements don't strike fear into any team, goals do!! So IF this lad has been identified by AVB, I fully believe that he will shut up many a member of this site. As I said earlier, AVB was being slagged right of in the summer because it was reprted that Levy wanted Sahin, but AVB neve fancied him beause he didn't think he would suit the PL. Like I said, IF Hooper is the player that AVB has identified, that'll do for me because history speaks for itself :) IAVBIT
coopsieyid
What we need is the next Sheringham/Klinsmann/Berbatov. What we don't need is Hooper!He will be just a short term fix and a risky one at that. Coops have you seen the amount of chances Jelavic has missed lately?? Yeah he started in the EPL pretty well but my best mate is a blue nose and watches all the games he reckons they will be shipping him out in the summer cos he is s..hite. His words not mine. If we are going to go for a short term fix I would rather us trya and buy berbatov back or something like that. At least then we know what we are getting! HOOPER!!!!??? (Puts noose around neck and jumps off chair)!
TornadoYid
Just can't see it. I asked would he come on another blog and was smashed. I just think it would take a lot of £££ and could go wrong. For 10 million there are better players.
RAF Yid
Gibyid,Kane has shown nothing of being ready to step in. I'd throw in Obika before I'd bring Kane back. Nothing I see in Kane's game suggests to me that he'll succeed in the PL.

One other thing that should be noted about Hooper is that at Scunthorpe and at Celtic, his contribution in assists has been very good for an up top striker. We need that. With Defoe in there, we are essentially playing with 10 men. If he isn't scoring, he is doing nothing. RVP the other day made some great passes, held the ball up, made three key defensive headers, oh and scored a goal. The most Defoe will ever do is score a goal. Bale scores more often per 90 minutes on the pitch than does Defoe. WE NEED A STRIKER

Negredo is being chased by several teams. I have no doubt they are all willing to meet what Seville want. The question will be, where does Negredo want to go. I'd prefer Son and Mitroglou, but if it's to be Hooper, do it now and take the pressure off of the 31st. If we nick Negredo, great. If not, we are not doing without or scrambling. COYS
peterballb
Gibyid - what does it matter that he was playing for a league 1 team two seasons ago? Caulker spent a year in league 1 a few seasons ago, is he toilet too? The fact he's gone up in the world and been successful at that higher level shows he's able to fulfill potential. If he'd come up from the Ajax academy, played a handful of games for the senior side in a league not a huge amount better than in Scotland, everyone would be creaming themselves at the prospect even if they hadn't even seen him play in any of those handful of games. Anyway, it hardly matters, I really think it's doubtful we'll be signing anyone this window.
flipper
Just did my scouting report on him :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6GcgO7rbXw He aint no SuperJan.
thenuge
PeterB, theres more to come from Kane, I thought it was a little too earlier for him but glad he went to Norwich. He is going to be a really good player, my only worry is his pace which isn't the greatest. Time will tell.
RAF Yid
nothappyharry, I doubt that Defoe would score 30 goals in Scotland. The tackles are much more brutal and he would not be allowed to be so unidimensional. Hooper is good with his head and with playing in other players. Defoe is poor on both of those accounts. In his last 8 games, Defoe has 1 goal from more than 30 shots. I thought 2 from 8 was bad, I stand corrected. COYS
peterballb
Off-Topic Note: it has just been released on Spurs Official Web Site that the Club can announce a profit from operations of 23 MM pounds, etc, etc. At the very end, one can read words by Daniel Levy about new stadium: "We are ever ambitious for the Club, driving all areas of the business and our focus continues to be the delivery of an increased capacity stadium. There is much work to be done refining the detailed design and resolving the final development issues. We intend to deliver this to the same high standards of the new Training Centre and to reward our incredibly loyal supporters with a world class stadium and one that will have made a crucial contribution to the regeneration of a priority borough in London."
AlexSpur
to be fair i like gary hooper,lets not snub our noses at celtic,they have 3 or 4 players who would easily get into top 6 clubs in epl,
ghulamville
RAF, I hope you are right. He reminds me of an almost player. If he can get playing time and stay healthy, perhaps we'll see. He most certainly is not ready for Spurs. COYS
peterballb
Well with those stats Ox I truely don't see why City or United are not in for him...?
ledgespur
Gib - Kane & Obika's lower league records compared to Hoopers? How much have you seen ANY of the aforementioned players actually play? Too easy to dismiss mate. We all have opinions & are entitled to voice them. However, it is much more likely that an opinion will be respected if it's actually based upn something other than a dislike for a none exotic name. I'd also like to know how you can guarantee that Negredo is more likely to be a success than Negredo? Veron, Shevchenko, Brolin, Marlet, Bogarde, Rebrov, Marcelino, Mutu?, Balaban....ALL were VERY highly rated (some truly world class) players, yet ALL were absolute failures when crossing to these shores.

Sometimes a safe bet is the best bet..

I should point out that I'm NOT trying to argue with you mate. I'm just offering another side for you (and others) to look at things from.
coopsieyid
as their champions league run is proving
ghulamville
Kevin Keegan once played at Scunthorpe United, (then again so did Ian Botham played 11 games) he turned out ok at Liverpool. Gary Hooper will be 25 on the 24th January, he was born in Harlow (must be a Spurs fan) played 80 games for Scunthorpe scoring 43 goals, @ Celtic his played 81 games scoring 55 goals, lets put a spin on things and say his been on loan to Celtic, but to join us he will cost 10m, his still young enough, on what i have seen this afternoon Ade was about as much use as a ash tray on a motor bike and who's to say AVB won't get shot of him, having Gary Hooper does give us options and that's what football is all about, he knows how to score goals, that's an art, not something you can teach, his english, he knows the area and most likely his idle was Glenn Hoddle. Yeah i would have him in, in a heart beat, does not mean we stop searching for a striker, we are just adding +1
spu 4 life
Coopsie - In general, the pedigree of the SPL is championship level. This is an undeniable fact. You Only have to look at the players who have played in England and at Celtic in recent history - Joe Ledley, Kris Commons, Samaras (City reserves), the three players that went to Middlesbrough (McDonald, Flood, Robson), Glenn Loovens. Of course, they could find someone like Jelavic (who has only scored 6 goals in 22 appearances this season btw), but this is not the case here and we have already rejected Hooper as not good enough when he was a kid!
Gibyid
why don't we get Samaras, the big man he plays off...oh I almost forgot, he's crap, so does that make hooper better or worse?....just can't see that he's the type of striker we need....
shedboy2
******** Hooper!!!!! REALLY!!!!!!!!!?????? (Slaps palm in face hard!)
TornadoYid
Alex, I knew someone would mention the 23M number. If you read further it clearly states that the actual operating figure was a loss of 1.6M pre-tax (versus 1.4M pre-tax profit the previous year, and an after interest and tax loss of 4.3M versus the prior year's profit of .7M.

So, this again confirms that Spurs are run with either a slight profit, or a slight loss. As it states, all within the parameters of the FFPR. COYS
peterballb
TY - No mate I've not seen any of Jelavic this season, nor do I intend to, because he doesn't play for THFC. I only mentioned him because people were abused on her for suggesting him whilst he was still at Rangers. Then he signed for Everton last summer and this site had more turncoats than the front-line of the French army.
coopsieyid
@Coops, Robbie Keane suceeded at Celtic when he couldn't buy a goal for us. I will go along with AVB if he has indeed marked Hooper as his man, then so be it, as i trust his call.
ledgespur
haha coops
TornadoYid
So Levy's statement confirms in black and white that we have become property developers and have shifted our focus from the pitch...welcome to years of Garry Hooper type signings....
shedboy2
flipper - Good response to Gibid. Who was Hernandez playing for before Utd signed him? The equivalent of the GM Vauxhall Conference,I should imagine. Thank fu** we never saw him & took a risk on him!!
coopsieyid
Anyway, I'll leave you to argue about it, Im going to have some food & go & sit with the kids for a bit...
coopsieyid
I think your being unfair on the championship. Those players were brought by Celtic, the top team by far in that league. The rest of the division would be happy to have championship players playing for them.
nothappyharry
If I'm being honest as long as its an AVB signing I will be happy as I fully trust him. From what I've seen of Hooper I actually quite like. For me, to be a top class footballer, you have to be smart an have a football brain. Hooper seems to have this in creating space for himself an others. He is a very good finisher an not sure about his hold up play but others have said he's good at this so all good! Oh an he's very determined an works extremely hard, summin which should be a given but rarely is an can not be underestimated, not only cos it puts the other team under pressure but it also creates space for you or your team ates to exploit eg Shane Long.
BrooksySpurs
If that's who avb honestly wants then let's just see I guess. Personally I think it's more a case off levys saying you've got £8m to spend so pick one! That's the only reason why I don't think it's a good idea. Rather have nobody than 8th choice (if he is if course). Just smells fishy, look at avbs supposed targets at the start of the season (Willian moutinho Oscar) and it just doesn't add up. Like I've said before, surely budgets were discussed before his appointment?
hudderspur
Read this and it just sums it up really.............................Re: Jan Signings"It is of course a position the supporters are fairly well acquainted with and part of the frustration that’s continuing to simmer in N17, stems from events this time last year. But this January, there is no maverick Harry Redknapp of which Levy was rumoured to be wary of handing a considerable transfer warchest. Villas-Boas is the antidote, yet seemingly the same problems are continuing to exist."
ledgespur
shedboy, Samaras is not crap. Don't get me wrong, he is way below what we should be looking at. He is, like Defoe, one who plays alone up top regardless of what's going on around him. It is also why Hooper has had disagreements with his manager because he does not like playing with Samaras preferring his partnership with Stokes.

The only issue I have is the price tag. To state that a player who scored 24 and assisted on 7 to help get his League One team promoted and then add 19 goals and 5 ssists the year after in the Championship and then to go to Scotland and score 20 assist on 7 followed by 24 and 8 and already has 11 this season, shows me that he has scored in every League he has played in. This is his third year in the SPL. Every defender is aware of his threat, yet he still scores. It would not be a deal I would be against because I do believe he can not only score, but potentially form a partnership with another footballer. That's what we need. Again, if AVB don't want him, he won't be coming. If the price tag is too high, he won't be coming. COYS
peterballb
Villas-Boas was the vision that Levy put his faith into, to bring him to the football club at the start of the season. If the money is there to spend, now is the time for the chairman to put his faith in the manager and do everything he can do to bolster his blueprints for a top four finish. Spurs are competing for Champions League football for the second consecutive season without the funds that it provides. They might not be able to repeat the trick for a third year running. Levy has so often got it right in terms of the signings he’s acquired for the club but this month more than ever, he can’t afford to get it wrong.
ledgespur
@Hudder, Of course it is not who AVB wants. AVB only has a partial say in transfers that has been known for a while. Hooper may well be Sherwoods choice IMO. The fact remains that we have a transfer committee which is fine, lots of Clubs run this way, but, we need to ensure we take our Managers views as top targets and try to obtain them.
ledgespur
Hooper looks good. Defoe is brilliant and proven in the prem league. BUT I would pay 10 million extra and get MICHU if we can. We haven't actually spent any money this season giving the buys and sells we're about even . I'd pump at least 20 into a striker....MICHU or Damaio fit the bill. Can we get them? Do they want to come , who knows....in Spurs we love ;)
willfry
(cough cough) @ willfry second sentence. :)
ledgespur
peterballb it says he scores 0.6 per game which is the same as JD isn't it? so how can that be VASTLY superior? Why do we want a player who's scoring stats are no better than our current striker. All that will happen is he will come in for major criticism by the same people who slag of JD for not scoring enough. Yes I do also believe that if/when he comes here he WILL find it a lot harder to score as the game is of a much higher quality here than in Scotland.
chrishove123
HOOPER!!!!!! FFS REALLY!!!!!!!!!???? (Takes 50 paracetemol downed with vodka)
TornadoYid
While I won't be dismissive, what I will say is that he's played week in week out for the last 4 or 5 seasons. How would he cope being rotated? Obviously if he came and hit the ground running then perhaps he wouldn't be, but I'd be cautious. Probably would take him as a punt for a few mil, but £10m seems excessive. Then again, who knows, it's up to AVB and what he wants to bring in. Defoe isn't getting any younger so a fresh face with a different playing style (which it certainly is) might be what we need. Oh and one other thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that while the opposition is obviously superior in the Premier League, he'll be playing alongside some greatly superior players too, on better pitches. All can have an impact for good or bad.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
Why do many Spurs supporters prefer "names " rather than back the manager's judgement. Ok the maybe same people who did not rate AVB may be slowly changing thier opiinion but lets try a novel approach and support players and management. Including Adebayor!
camper
ledge, Robbie succeeded at Celtic because he was played. I watched the first 4 or 5 Celtic games with him in the lineup. He was god awful. Out of shape, no timing, missed sitters all over the place. Fact is, after his Christmas shenanigans, Harry froze him out. Players need to play. He wasn't playing and when he did he was partnered by Defoe (which suited Defoe, for a while, but never suited Robbie). Hooper, by contrast, has not even hit his peak years and has shown, at each increasing level, that he has succeeded. COYS
peterballb
People are forgetting how much of a premium there is on strikers. If Swansea can get £15m for Joe Allen in the summer, then surely they'd be looking at £20m for Michu. His stock can't rise much more.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
Maybe at times we read the lines, but not what is written !!! AVB has most likely has had him watched, subject to those reports, he wants to have a look himself and see if he has the potential to do a job for us, if AVB then follows this up, i trust his judgement, oh and it sounds to me like we do have a scouting policy in place Hotlby Germany, Hooper Scotland don't see these games on MOTD?
spu 4 life
@Peter, point taken but Robbie was done, nobody wanted him in the PL. I could bet my car on it if Defoe went the other way he would rip the Scottish game apart he would score more than Hooper IMO. I just can't see the point in getting in a player that will not improve us.
ledgespur
Really doubt DL will pay 10M for Hooper. Just not gonna happen for that price 5-6M would be more like it. Still would like to see Obika start against Leeds.
jvd
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6GcgO7rbXw&feature=player_embedded
coopsieyid
Sorry about that clip. He put far to many 1 on 1's in the back of the net, for us to conside him.. Next target please!!
coopsieyid
Kane is never going to make it because he has modelled himself on Pav.. they are carbon copies.Get the occasional tap in but hate physical contact,poor in the air,can't link play and are easily muscled off the ball.We need someone who is strong,good with both feet, can head,brave,moves around and gives 100%..not easy because they are so expensive.Kane and Obika are not good enough.At the top of the Prem you have to be top quality.Man You have four we have a half!!
wentworth
Flipper - your comparison with Caulker is massively flawed for two reasons. Firstly, their age. Caulker has just turned 21 and Hooper will be 25 later this month. Caulker was an established Premier League player at 19 at Swansea. Hooper has never played at such a high level atany time in his career, let alone by that age. Secondly, Caulker was on loan. That is a very different status to being a League 1 player. Age 17 - League 1, Age 18 championship. Hooper has played for Grays Athletic and was on loan FROM Southend. Coops - my point about Kane/Obika is that I would rather not spend £10m on an unproven when we've already got unproven players (Kane has at least played in the premier league!)
Gibyid
chrishove123, those stats are not correct. In 81 games he has scored 55 goals and added 18 assists. This all presumes he plays 90 minutes each time out which is not the case. I am too lazy to do the math, but assuming all were 90 minute appearances (again - they weren't) he scored at a rate of .68 goals per 90 minutes. Defoe this year, depending upon the minutes stats you use, is somewhere below .48 goals per 90 minutes. What I like about Hooper is the 18 assists. He has contributed a goal or an assist .9 times per 90 minutes played. That's pretty darned good. Better when you consider tht he did not play as many minutes as my calculations are based on. COYS
peterballb
ANOTHER THOUGHT THOUGH!!! It seems to now be well known that AVB has set somebody up to watch Celtic play. MAYBE he's actually sent someone up to take a look at the Wanyama (spelling?) kid? He seems to be getting LOTS of interest, and with the supposed need tocover Sandro/replace Parker in the not so distant future, maybe it's possible that it's the Wanyama boy who's being watched? He's only bout 20 isn't he? Highly thought of, Utd are linked with him, sounds very Levy-esque to me ;)
coopsieyid
No ledge, what no one in the PL was willing to d is to give him his 75k/week. LA offered that and off he went. It wasn't that he was not wanted so much as that he was not wanted at the price. COYS
peterballb
Bernio, they sold him to the same crowd that Newcastle got 35m for Andy C lol
ledgespur
i would hazard a guess its because compared to the names being mentioned on here over the past 12 months or so many would view him a lesser player. That could be it. On another note i cant quite see him as a player AVB would have watched or be attracted to, I could be wrong on this.
tophobunty
I have watched Michu in three of his last four PL games and have been both impressed and uninspired. His play, when with the ball or in a scoring position, is excellent. At all other times he seems a passenger. Lots of walking when he is not involved. We need better. COYS
peterballb
S. Villas-Boas (I prefer to respect the guy by giving him his name rather than an abbreviation-call me pompous, I call it manners-unlike tabloid journos and Talkmoron) is at Celtic Park tonight, and like my esteemed poster Mr. Coops, I wouldn't be surprised if he's looking at Wanyama too. Trouble is, Sirralex is there too, and it must be serious if he's going to Celtic Park-definitely away territory for him.
lordjohnny
Larson scored 53 goals in 50 games in one season for Celtic, if hooper was that prolific in the Scottish league I'd say go for it but 0.6 as the main striker in a championship standard equates to 0.2 in the premier league. Hope we not sign him, not big enough for a 4 5 1 and is he better tan Defoe? If we o sign him then there is nothing more tan I'd love to be proven wrong but I'd take kenwyne jones or Danny graham as better and cheaper short term alternatives
spurticus87
Michu a bit of a poor mans Berbetov, he just isn't good enough to not contribute anything other than goals. Mind you he does score pretty often. Not sure I would want him in our team to move us forward.
tophobunty
would not say no to wanyama - he is going to be world class in 2-3 years imo. Excitingly good prospect and way too good for Celtic. But GARY HOOPER!!!!!??? REALLY!!!!!!!!!??? (Slaps Levy in the face and points to Llorente wearing a Juve shirt shouting WHY!!!)
TornadoYid
AVB is at Celtic Park tonight.
Sebthespur
I would judge the managers judgement on a player but I'm still not sure that signing players have anything to do with the manager. More like our chief scout Daniel Levy. Then I'm guessing giving him to the manager and told turn him into gold for me to sell on.
nothappyharry
I have not seen him play but certainly have no problem with the principle of signing a promsing player from the SPL. The issue I have is the price. Surely Jelavic is a worthy comparison here. 12 months ago Everton signed him for £5M. At that point he may not have been proven in a top league but the bloke had earnt 20 odd caps for his country. Croatia's performances in recent tournies is very comparable to ours (arguably better). Why, therefore, would we pay twice as much for a player presently no-where near his international squad? An appropriate figure for Hooper should be more like 3-4M. That's worth a stab. £10M is a joke. If Spurs are unable to afford to spend the £15-20M on the 'marquee striker we crave then fair enough. My agrument is that it is a false economy to go out and pay £10M or anywhere near it on a totally unproven player. If we can't afford to pay £20M why gamble £10M on a player clearly priced at diouble his market value?
gyromancered
so in the 11/12 season not one of Hoopers goals was scored with his back to goal....is that really the type of player we need? Honestly there used to be a club here..... Tottenham Property Developers...our focus is building, not football, not improving the squad, not trying to qualify for the CL but building.....
shedboy2
Yep, have we tried for llorente? Anyone making comparisons to larson should o look up his goal scoring record which is a much better 0.78 when the Scottish league was at a higher standard
spurticus87
That Wanyama to be fair looks a very good player, very raw but an absolute man mountain who excelled against Barcelona.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Lord johny you are pompous, but you do make me smile ;)
spurticus87
Spurticus87, this is what drives me crazy with people's misconceptions. The SPL is not crap. I think the average talent there is very similar to the Belgian, Dutch and Portuguese Leagues. There are more "stars" in those leagues perhaps, but the average level of play is about the same. I believe the top SPL teams could compete and remain in the PL. They'd be lower table, but they would not be relegated as a matter of fact. You suggest Kenwyne Jones. He managed once to get 14 goals in the Championship. Well, what do you know? A much younger Hooper managed 19 in that very same League. The only thing Kenwyne Jones has shown is that he has never been as prolific as was expected and he is cheaper, though would be more on salary so you lose what you gain. Hooper or Kenwyne Jones for me is obvious. Hooper every time. COYS
peterballb
we made a profit again...only a loss after football trading ie the bit that made money....5 year average of OVER 29million generated per year....so there's a 150m.
shedboy2
Also agree with coopsieyid regarding Hooper, the boy has quality and if he's going for something like £6m then he could turn out to be a bargain. HOWEVER paying £8,9,10m+ would be a huge gamble rather than an educated punt on an SPL player. The SPL is a much lower standard than it was 10 years ago with Larsson. We were stung with Alan Hutton a good £9m.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Anyone making comparisons to larson should o look up his goal scoring record which is a much better 0.78 when the Scottish league was at a higher standard spurticus87
Bang on Spurticus....
shedboy2
We do need someone to give Defoe a kick up the a**e. He's coasting again, and believing all his puffed up publicity, mainly from the knowall-knownothing pundits like Hansen and the other assorted semi-literate bores, who watch 5 minutes of highlights, pontificate, and then pick up their cheque. If ever the term 'flatters to deceive' could have been made for someone, it's Defoe.
lordjohnny
Off topic OH DEAR......

Who: Breezer
When: 22/01/13
Where: SC



We might have some bad news coming our way boys. Defoe had an MRI scan after the Man Utd match. No idea what's wrong with him but 100% had MRI scan!

On a positive note HOLTBY was in London last week and also had an MRI scan. Could this be part of his medical????........



Like I said, OH DEAR!!!! Hooper sound so bad to some of you now?
coopsieyid
Peterball, jones was suggested as a very short term option to cover ade as jones could easily be moved back on again ( always seems to be wanted by lower prem teams ) and I suggested him for a target man. Why do you think that jones would be on more money? The higher the transfer fee the larger the wage they command. My fear is with hooper is that he becomes another Bentley. I hope if we sign him he proves that I know nothing and goes on to become an all time spurs legend,
spurticus87
Bilbao's owner said that they will let Llorente's contract run out unless someone meets their valuation. Llorente has said he will walk at season's end and then make a decision. He is not going anywhere now. He is thus, not an option. Speculation from sources in the know said he was going to run his contract out and hope that either RM or Barca come in for him when he is free. He won't make any decision until he is convinced his first two choices are no-gos.

Shedboy, Hooper holds the ball up all the time and is an outlet for the defenders so your back to goal comments are a little specious. Fact is, he works, as a tandem, with Stokes and does very well playing off of him. That is what we need. Players that can play football. I don't care if the keeper ever sees his back. So long as the keeper is picking the ball out of the back of the net as a result of his goal or his assist. COYS
peterballb
Maybe Defoe was looking to see where the goals went and needed an MRI. Theycertainly aren't out there on the pitch. COYS
peterballb
Celtic 1 Dundee Utd 0. Wonder who scored?
lordjohnny
Peter- I just watched all of his goals inthe clip that coops posted....he didn't score one by taking the ball with his back to goal....most were running onto the ball or pen box scrambles....now if defoe is injured perhaps he could suit. either way we can try and talk these players up/or not but it's what they do in our shirt that will count....
shedboy2
And if he was on AVB's list...why is AVB scouting him??? you'd like to think that would have been done long before the window opened...or are we not as organised as some think?
shedboy2
lordjohnny my money is on HOOPERMAN?
spu 4 life
MRI Scans are part of our set up after what happened with Fabrice Muamba
spu 4 life
For what it's worth, I'd say we need a striker who actually gets in the six yard box more often. The one time Bale put a low cross in from the left in the second half on Sunday, no-one was anywhere near it to poke it home. Hooper, would, in my opinion, be worth a punt.
lordjohnny
AVB is at celtic tonight meeting up with a Dundee Utd fan, his bringing him a cake.
spu 4 life
shedboy, comparing Larsson to Hooper is a little much, but if we are to do so, let's just say that Hooper scores a little less and assists a lot more. But hey, why bother with that? Hooper did plenty good in League One and then did very well in the Championship. The same arguments everyone throws around to justify 15M for Zaha.

OK shedboy which mattress is the 150M under? Oh, that's right, it was spent, on the club. Yes, once again, after all was taken in to account (which is all football related as I understand it) we either turn a small profit or suffer a nominal loss. But you would have them spend 30, 50, 150M. Just doesn't seem wise to me unless it is on the right players. COYS
peterballb
I am sure there are many players on AVB's list that he continues to watch. Went to watch Moutinho again just a month ago. Is he not familiar with him? The fact is, we have scouts at many games every week watching guys. I'm also sure that AVB and his staff catch whatever CL and Europa games that they can on the tube or live and follow the guys high up on the list. Perhaps he is there to watch Hooper and Wanyama. Perhaps someone else. Hooper may just be a bunch of journos putting his name with the fact we need a striker. COYS
peterballb
peter you and I both know there's nothing under a mattress...it's all been spent on the stadium...we're skint, that's why we're looking at a transfer window of Fryers- virtually stolen, Holtby-free and Hooper....they won't sell many shirts now will they? how many lists were they on? the stadium gamble has already cost us two years of new money for players...how many more will we have 3,7, 15???
shedboy2
Spurticus87, Jones was reportedly on 60k/week prior to being purchased for 8M. One can only assume his current contract is better (at least 70k/week). I don't think Hooper can command that without earning it. COYS
peterballb
It is worth noting, however, that almost every time Celtic play in the SPL, the opposition will try to 'park the bus'. Hooper has learned how to find space and score goals when there isn't a lot of room to manoeuvre - something we've been struggling with this season.

Also, if PL scouts had ignored players playing in "$hit" leagues, then we wouldn't have seen the likes of Schmeichel, Modric, Solksjaer, Ljungberg, amongst others...
coopsieyid
If its really come to this then we shud just bid for Benteke. HOOPER!!!!!!!!! Really????????????? (Gets chainsaw and cuts own head off!)
TornadoYid
Uhm..Gary Hooper?! Is this there any possiblity in the world that this guy turns out to be a top4 premier league striker? If we really sign him... god I hope so.
noone
Wanyama and Hooper have already scored for Celtic in tonight's game.
Ioan X
Tornado- That's a bit much. It's not as if he hasn't played at the highest level, the Champions League, and scored goals. How many brilliant strikers have we had the last few years that you can be so sniffy?
lordjohnny
shedboy, here's what I know for certain. Our salaries have increased dramatically over the past 5 years. In almost all of those years we spent more on players than we received for players. Our revenues are better, but not as good as CL years (difference, surprise surprise, 20M). I believe the released statement suggests that we have made 29M on average from "operations" which I understood to mean all sources of income while it beomes a loss after the football side is fully factored in. Now I may well be incorrect. I am not a shareholder. I can't fathom though how the football club could be, in and of itself, achieving a profit of 29M every year with rising salaries, net spends (every year but one). Tickets aren't doubling in price. EPL share has been more or less the same along with TV revenues. It just does not make sense. Bottom line is we, at the end of the day, make a small profit or a small loss. COYS
peterballb
I think at the right price (£5-6m) its worth a punt. IAVBIT TDITD
yearendsinone
coops an Peter are bang on. Some of the best players I have seen have come from lower leagues or lesser leagues. I know it was a bit different but bale Lennon hudd daws walker naughts an these were only players in lower English leagues! Granted Hooper is older but he was doing it a v young age in the Championship so lets go for it. No more of a risk than buying a mega money striker that could be a flop. What is also huge that no one else has mentioned is he's a player that would fit in with squad rotation. When you sign these mega money players they tend not to agree with rotation an that's where problems arise. Even Walcott as an example
BrooksySpurs
Hooper isn't even the top scorer of the SPL this season. 12 goals and no assists(including this 1 tonight). The top scorer McKay has 16 and 3 assists. In that case I'm with TornadoYid. (jumps out of the window and screams whhyyyyy Daniel ohhh whyyyyy!!!!!!!!)
noone
Can't comment on Hooper as I've never seen him play. What is interesting though is that we grew our revenues by £44m in the Champs League season and they only came down by £19m in the subsequent season. That in effect shows that Levy has grown our revenues by £25m or 20% in 2 years even if you exclude CL. That is a tremendous effort by him. It's just a shame that him and Harry let our expenses (mostly wages) get out of control with a completely proliferated squad and we therefore made a loss. If we hadn't let the squad get to a stupid size we would have probably posted a £10m profit.
muttley
noone, Defoe is a top 4 EPL striker because he has been on the 4th best team 2 of the past 3 years.

Exactly Coopsie. I am always much more interested how a player does his second year, than his first. When teams can prepare and adjust to a known commodity, it shows what that player has or does not have. I have seen Bale shut down many nights. Doesn't mean he is not great. Hooper seems to keep scoring despite the attention. COYS
peterballb
lordjohnny what we need is a striker with flair. berbatov is the only striker we have had in recent memory (last 5 years or so) that that has provided us with that flair, that spark, that vavavoom. We need the flair player! We need the Suarez, the RVP, The Drogba.. I know these players dont grow on trees but please for the love of all that is holy...GART EFFIN HOOPER!! REEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TornadoYid
I mean.... REEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLY!!!! (Stamps feet angrily)
TornadoYid
The Cobra (VERY respectedprovider of info) said:

Heard a whisper we have enquired about Son Heung-min of Hamburg.....
coopsieyid
Yes peterballb he is, but this doesn't mean he is a "top 4 quality striker". This guy ist just lucky that the other guys at his team score enough for us to finish 4. Well, I would be happy if sign the korean guy instead..
noone
noone, Celtic have used 5 strikers this season. They are rotating, so he is not getting all of the playing time. COYS
peterballb
I for one am sick of missing out on very good players because they don't play in a glamour league (jelavic, Long, Doyle - back in the day)! Hooper is exactly the type of player we should sign, well within budget (realistically 6-8 million) affordable wages, young and still developing. Banging in goals for fun has champions league experience is english and home grown offers cover and competition for Defoe without the ego of demanding a starting spot in every game. And doesn't really impact on the summer transfer budget. If we had suggested Michu 12 months ago we'ed have seen the same reaction as most on here (see TornadoYid above). This lad can play and is doing so in a far more physical league with far less protection from Refs. He would be a fanatastic aquisition. Make it happen! Personally i think we are being used as bait to lure in Norwich with a bigger bid but I still think he would be a gem of a signing!
Slurms McKenzie
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2266588/Gary-Hooper-transfer-news-Celtic-reject-Norwichs-7million-bid.html
noone
Coopsie, I can ony hope that that is in the works. Son looks so solid fundamentally and he can play anywhere acrss the MF or as a striker.

No Tornado, we need the next Berbatov, Suarez, RVP, Drogba or players who together can play and make it work. It's why guys like Son, Willian, Dzagoev are so much more interesting to me than Negredo. They can all play wing, centre of MF or up top. 4-3-3, 4-5-1, 4-4-2, it all works. We just need guys that can play football. Uni-dimensional guys are impact subs. You bring them on to do one thing. Dawson to deal with crosses when you are up. Defoe to score out of nothing when you are down. Parker to come on to slow the game down and increase the "bite" factor. If we got Hooper, I would be very much looking forward to him suiting up. He can play football. I'd rather get Negredo, but if we got Hooper and Son or Hooper, Willian and Son, we'd be miles ahead. We are building a "team". Whomever is bought, must fit in to the current ethos. COYS
peterballb
His movement and awreness on the pitch is very impressive and unlike Defoe he also knows when to pass the ball to a team mate in a better position. He would be a massive loss to Celtic and his transfer would bea big boost to Juventus. I still wouldn't o past 8 million and Celtic really don't need to sell with the money they've madefrom reaching the champions league quater finals. But then if you invest instrikers you don't have to sell them when ou reach the quarter finals of the champions league - if only there was a lesson in there somewhere for Spurs!
Slurms McKenzie
Rod Wallace, Chris Sutton, John Hartson a washed up Bellamy and Keane. You've never had to be great to score goals in the SPL, so I don't see the point of bringing up a strikers goal rate, unless it's Henrik Larsson type numbers.
Guyver
Slurms, agreed though he will cost closer to 10M. Norwich had 7M rejected. I think the same could be said for Benat and Aspas. They would be two great buys, but most on here would suggest they are unproven, unlikely to succeed. If AVB wants Hooper and Levy believes it is affordable, there is not much Swansea can do to stop us. I can't believe Hooper would leave a CL club for Swansea. COYS
peterballb
Spot on Peterballb, most sense I've heard on hear in a while and i think you've hit the nail on the head re team builing project!
Slurms McKenzie
I can see Paul Lambert will be getting sacked in the morning. On a more serious note tho.. Gary Hooper!!!!?? I mean come on!!! REEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLY! (Slaps levy on his bald head with a ruler and points to the bank balance on his laptop!)
TornadoYid
Guyver its not the number of goals he scores (though the numbers are impressive) its how he scores them, its not route one, lump it long ala the O'Neill years there is finese and gile to his movement and awareness. These talents would translate even better to a team like Spurs and without causing dressing room unrest and he is full of energy and effort as well.
Slurms McKenzie
I am sure when AVB signed on he guessed he would be sitting in Scotland scouting a player in one of the worst 1st teir Championships in Europe. Well done DANNY, way to back your manager. The fact we are even having a debate on him shows how desperate we are for a striker.
ledgespur
Come on Tornado, Hooper is the ideal winter transfer signing, keep you kitty intact for the serious businsess of improving the squad over the summer months. Then we'll need a new CB, LB, Winger and possibly replacement for Parker and Friedel aswell. I don't want to see Levy squandering 25 million on flash in the pan striker that looks great playing in 22-23 degree heat in a league where other players sit back and enjoy watching your ball juggling skills. Spurs need a bit more blood and guts, run through walls type players!
Slurms McKenzie
Bang on Peter with regards to team play an who we should buy. Might sound silly but no one should be bought unless they know how to play football. Ie movement off of the ball, making correct runs, swapping positions with team mates seamlessly dragging opposition players across a football pitch. For me, for general play it is better to have a striker who scores 15 to 20 goals a year but does this, rather than someone who get sev thirty but is as Peter says one dimensional an coops where did you hear these whispers about Son me old mucka?? Don't know much about him so if anyone would like to inform me...
BrooksySpurs
Ledgespurs I expect our scouting network and management to scour every league to uncover talent, Not just watch Match of the day and the German, Spainsh and Italian equivalents!!!!
Slurms McKenzie
peterballb Well these stats don't look at all impressive to me. http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=41819 especially when you take into account he has only scored more than once in two games and one of those was against St Mirren.
chrishove123
Hooper does look a very good, strong player. English too. Jelavic has been exceptional for Everton since moving from Scotland.
Is Hooper any better than Obika or Kane? It's evident that there are many opinions on the matter. But there really is only one way to find out, for certain.
The same can be said for most players whrn moving to a new club. Would Negredo or Damio really be world beaters at Spurs? For that matter, would Connor Wickham or Burnley's Charlie Austin shine with a bigger club, surrounded by better players?
That's the problem for managers and chairmen alike. If the palyer signs, but for whatever reason, doesn't click; those responsible for bringing him in are open to question.
Hotspur 1882
If Lambet gets the sack, it will be a really bad move, much like Adkins. But, it will free him up to take on a task that is not so blighted from the get-go. It can't be good having Bent and others around on their huge wages doing naff all and not even working hard like Dawson to try and earn their spots back. Lambert is an excellent coack. So is Coyle. So is Adkins. They will all work their way back up. COYS
peterballb
It's ok HOOPERMAN had a poor night in front of AVB, he only scored 2 and 1 assist, he would have scored 3 but they want to keep the match ball, perhaps 10m will buy them a few.
spu 4 life
Just off topic for a sec. I bet Big C is really pi**ed about the result of the poll. He probably thinks it's all a conspiracy against him. HA HA HA
chrishove123
Slurms so you are agreeing that he would be a short term solution then till we can do our real business in the summer. Fair play that is one option. However the way I view it is go for someone who can be a longer term option now. We dont necessarily have to squander 25 mil on that player. Llorente will prob go for 7-8 mil (less than hooper!!) I honestly cant believe that we havent gone in for him. Maybe he just doesnt want to play in the prem I dont know but he is the sort of player we need.
TornadoYid
I would score 25 this season playing for Celtic in the SPL.
tophobunty
TornadoYid has anyone thought about what Adebayour will say when he finds out he has been dropped for Hopper, probably something like REEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAALLLLY!!!!! (Burns down training ground goal posts, gets torcher kit out of boot, starts setting traps outside AVB and DL's offices)...
T.H.F.Chris
chrishove123, and the great Defoe has 14 goals in 29 appearances with 9 from 4, 5 from the remaining 25. That's our up top lone striker. We don't need someone banging in 2 or 3 lots of times, we need someone scoring 1, more often than not. He is one of 5 strikers who have featured prominently for Celtic this season. It's not all on him this season and his preferred partner, Stokes, has had all sorts of issues and thus has only 1 start. 19 in the Championship as a 21 year old is not a bad stat either. COYS
peterballb
Both Hooper goals from tonight, just look who started AND finished the counter attack for the first...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zL5FUQG_rg&feature=player_embedded

Look CLOSELY at he second goal. VERY cheeky backheel at the near post...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=i6mN6W94nV4

He alsogot an assist, which I'm currently trying to track down...
coopsieyid
TornadoYid, Llorente will probably go for around 600,000 euro (a month about five times more then Hooper) thats going to eat into your 2 million saving fairly quickly! No I am not suggesting a short term solution I'm suggesting a player who would fit in with a system and style of play who won't break the bank and will realistically have at least 6 more years of service to offer. A kid who is hungry to push on and earn a place in his International team! And would bolster our attacking options which out jepordising the needed improvements in other areas of the squad!
Slurms McKenzie
Or maybe T.H.F.Chris he says something like: RRREEAALLLYYY and stamps his foot so hard his head dislodges from his backside and he realises wheret he goal is and starts scoring! Or worse still he doesn't get dropped and his reaction is: Reallyyyy! I have to play with a striker who can pass the ball!!!!
Slurms McKenzie
7-8M for Llorente. OK, if you discount the Bilbao President saying that Llorente will be allowed to run out his contract unless omeone stumps the buyout (27M if memoryserves), and you discount that Llorente has alread stated he will let his contract run out and then decide where to go, presumably allowing for RM or Barca to come in when he is free. Juve are confident that they will get him, but admit it will be in the summer. We were in for him. We just weren't willing to pay what was being asked and the player doesn't want to come now anyway. So, how exactly do we get Llorente for 7-8M. Son, fine. Llorente, not going to happen. Even if both are lying through their teeth, Juve will pay what we won't, so where exactly do we fit in all that? COYS
peterballb
2 goals for Hooper tonight, makes him the 4th highest scorer in the SPL this season..... wow. Slurms im not saying he's a bad player, havent seen much of him, im just saying for those who bring up his goal rate, it's not that impressive imo. I just remember when Rod Wallace went to Rangers, he went from mediocre 1 minute in the EPL, to looking world class in the SPL and the SPL is weaker today than it was back then.
Guyver
THFChris, if that's what it takes to light a fire under Adebayor, get it done now. 10M is a bargain. COYS
peterballb
I think my version is more realistic (than you first anyway).

P.s. I have no idea how good Gary Hopper is, never watched Scottish football, never will.
T.H.F.Chris
peterballb IF this is going to be an AVB buy then I will go with it and support him in his choice of player because i trust AVB's judgement and I will support Hooper as a Spurs player, but if it one of Levy's cheap knock off type buys I will be well miffed, even so as I said, I will STILL support Hooper as a Spurs player. You may say that about JD but last season he was among the top scorers in the Prem. He WILL come good again. EVERY striker goes through a lean period, look at Torres. Keep the faith with him and he will produce. As I am going to trust AVB's judgement if Hooper is HIS player, you must trust AVB's faith in JD.
chrishove123
I cant believe we have come so far as to consider Hooper.
tophobunty
Oh. Dear. Aston. Villa.
HuddersfieldYiddo
Ali Z - COYS (Not only clued up when it comes to THFC, but also supposedly 'close' to Defoe) OUCH!!

"Defoe deffo has an injury."
coopsieyid
All I can say is that it's easy to say "anyone can score plenty" when it comes to inferior leagyes, but it's their overall contribution that matters. How many would Hooper have to score to impress people? If he scored 40 goals this season then there'd still be a lingering doubt, and rightly so to an extent. Afonso Alves scored an average of 1.15 goals per game for Heerenveen, whereas Luis Suarez got 0.74 goals per game at Ajax. If we loosely analyse that like we are doing with Hooper, you'd think that Ajax are better than Heerenveen ergo Suarez should get more goals per game than Alves, ergo Alves is better than Suarez.

As we all know, football isn't that simple. I've not seen enough of Hooper to make a judgement and I doubt most of us have to be honest. I have faith that if we did sign him then he'd be signed because people better qualified than me have scouted him thoroughly and have properly weighed up the pros and cons, rather than looking at stats on wikipedia and watched his Celtic career condensed down to a 3 minute clip on YouTube.

As for Llorente, pretty sure that he's signing for Juve and it's pretty much nailed on from what I've read. They can offer him a pretty penny.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
**leagues**
Bernio Villas-Spuras
AND before anyone says "Coops if Defoe was injured it'd be on the Official site", WOULD IT? People already KNOW we're stretched for strikers. How would it look if we announced our ONLY CURRENT 'STRIKER' is injured? We'd be massively fleeced by any club who had a player we were interested in... As much as I dislike Defoe, and as little he has offered in the last 8 games, I hope to f*** that this particular piece of IDK is well wide of the mark!!

Though it could also e a blessing in disguise & force Levy to act!!
coopsieyid
Llorente is juve bound absolutely. The point I'm making is we need that calibre of player. NOT GARY EFFING HOOPER! SPL is basically Sunday league pub teams in a league with Celtic! Gary bleeding hooper!!!!??
TornadoYid
On the 31.01.2013 at 11.59pm the media announcement will be "Spurs got a hooper...Rrrrreeeeeaaaaaalllllyyyyyy?!"
noone
Bernio Villas-Spurs I wouldn't have so much faith in him if as i said it was one of Levy's chaepo buys because then you can almost guarantee it isn't down to scouting it's down to he saw a bargain basement buy and got in there quick regardless of how good or bad he is.
chrishove123
Coops it might not be on the official site but it is all over the media. http://www.givemefootball.com/196781-tottenham-face-injury-crisis-ahead-of-arsenal-showdown
chrishove123
chrishove123, as I stted earlier, Hooper will not come if AVB does not want him and he won't come if Levy feels that it is too muc. Both of those are as sure as it's cold here in Toronto.

On Defoe, it does not matter if he cmes good again. If he scores 20 goals, it will still be to the detriment of all those around him. Bale, 1 assist. No chemistry between him and Defoe or him and Dempsey. None. Dembele and Dempse, tons. Lenon and Dempsey, tons. Defoe is a lone wolf. He does his own thing. If he's not scoring, he has no purpose out there. Against Villa, he was the worst player, along with Gallas, only edging Gallas because he scored. Pitiful would have been an upgrade. 1 goal in his last 8 on more than 30 shots. That's not cold. I could do better with a hockey stick and skates out there on the pitch than Defoe has. COYS
peterballb
TornadoYid I'd rather have GARY Cooper. LOL
chrishove123
Manager Andre Villas-Boas is also sweating on the fitness of key trio Kyle Walker, Aaron Lennon and Jermain Defoe, all of whom have been forced to pull out of England's friendly against Sweden tonight.
chrishove123
HA HA disregard t5hat link as I just found out it is old news not new news, my balls up. LOL Should read the dates of the reports before I post them. LOL
chrishove123
hooper a likely upgrade on defoe, he actually contributes assists, thats all i need to know. what does worry me is this talk of out transfer committee and the relative roles of sherwood and AVB. I have read suggestions that sherwood's input may be of greater importance than AVB's and I really hope that isn't the case. This is a good manager and he needs to be backed, he knows the financial constraints that we must work within but his voice should be the loudest
Guernman
One thing is for sure. Defore is not enough. He tends to be more prolific in the first half of seasons than second halves and every season he tricks people into thinking his game has matured and he'll be a top player. He'll always be a good option to have, but I've said for years that you simply cannot rely on him. He wasn't first choice for every manager he's played under. Even Redknapp last season didn't choose him consistently. We've needed decent strikers at the lane since we sold Berbatov though. We've not managed in 4 and a half years so I'm doubtful for the next few days!
Bernio Villas-Spuras
Probably means nothing BUT apparently Coulibaly has been stopped from playing any upcoming youth/U21 games in upcoming fitures.

Again, just passing on info I've come acrss...
coopsieyid
During the second half of the MU game. Defoe pulled up at one point and looked as though he wanted to come off. Maybe he has been carrying an injury for some time. Which would explain his loss of form. He doesn't seem to be playing with the same swagger he had been earlier on in the season when he was banging them in for fun. Just as well that Dempsey is finding his form or we would be bang in trouble
chrishove123
@Tornado Yid lmao thanks for the laughs dude. Goes to show that we can have differences of opinions yet still have some banter. Oh, and I'm kinda on the fence on this one. I'm all for giving a player a chance, no matter if its the Championship or the SPL ... But Cooper? Reeeaaaaaalllly? (Eagle climbs off the fence, stomps off to bed while picking the splinters out of his a55)
SpursEagle
the thing is chrishove123, defoe has always done this, he has good phases, usually early in the season, scores the odd brace/hatrick against poorer teams and then goes missing for months
Guernman
Chrishove123, there is always an excuse for Defoe. He is, as a starter, no better than a .6 goals per 90 minutes played, who scores in bunches, goes long stretches with poor form, who takes away from those around him and who, if he doesn't score, does nothing else. He is an impact sub, nothing more. COYS
peterballb
I hope I haven't given the wrong impression tonight. I actually think Gary hooper is...ok. A model pro n all that. I've got absolutely nothing against him personally. But £10 mil to see GARY HOOPER wear the mighty cockerel in his chest...REEEEEEEEAAAA..
TornadoYid
If he was cheap maybe worth a punt as a emergency striker to cover injury. Not at the quoted £10m. The SPL despite what some claim is closer to league 1 than championship. Does anyone making the comparison actually watch it? It said it all when the sage of all footballing knowledge compared it to the Dutch, and Portuguese leagues. Proving what I've always thought, Clueless.
judge
He can't be any worse than Defoe? I could get goals against anyone with enough shots. Law of averages ain't it.
Tottenham Hotcore
Judge, I can only presume you don't watch any of the three. I'll go by what I see with my own eyes. Celtic, as a team, are no worse than many of our bottom half teams. Their players are no worse than most of the players in Portugal, Holland, Belgium. It's why, other than the star players in those leagues, there is no interest. Pontificate away. I'll just keep watching the football. COYS
peterballb
I can't see it happening, as Celtic won't let him go on the cheap, especially with Champions League quarter finals coming up, and Levy pushes the boat out as much as a Walsall hydrophobic.
lordjohnny
I'll continue to think and you will continue to prove you don't know your arse from your elbow. You just trot out the same crap all the time hoping that repetition will brain wash the sheep. The SPL is a poor league in line with league 1, the Dutch league and Portuguese leagues are vastly superior I don't ever watch the Belgium league and therefore didn't comment on it.
judge
LJ, they will be taking their contract offer, which he has refused to sign, off the table at the end of January. I would suggest that if that happens it will not be a very good situation. There has been talk for a few months that they plan to get Mitriglou in to replace him. 5 strikers have seen significant game time this season for Celtic. They, like West Ham with Diame ou us with Modric, are trying to get him to sign an improved contract with a more market-value buyout clause. Modric refused. Diame has refused. Hooper has refused. COYS
peterballb
If we buy anyone from Celtic I'd go for Victor Wanyama now that is a QUALITY player.
judge
As to star players, sure. As to the rest, it's all the same local talent. No different from Croatia, Greece, Turkey. Sure, a couple of teams with money can bring in talent, the balance would have a hard time in the Championship. COYS
peterballb
Peter the UEFA coefficients have the Portuguese and Dutch leagues as top 10 in Europe, while the SPL is about 25th. From what ive seen of those leagues I think the 6th best team in Portugal and Holland beat the 6th best team in the SPL quite comfortably. I mean we thrashed Hearts in the Europa 5-0 not too long ago.
Guyver
When i have watched Celtic, 2 players usually stand out. Wanyama for good reasons and their South American left back (Forgot his name) because of how crap he play's.
Guyver
UEFA coefficients? Come on now what do they know surely the football sage is more knowledgeable? How could they rank a league I rate as league 1 standard yet the sage says is on par with the Dutch or Portuguese league that highly? I guess they too will be accused of not watching any of them.
judge
**low
judge
I'm not too bothered one way or the other Peterb. It's not the most important news I've heard this week. I mean, after hearing Lineker announcing he's closed his *****ter account, I was tossing and turning all night. It puts everything into perspective when you get that sort of earth-shattering shocker.
lordjohnny
lordjonny what has happened to you? You have never hit the heights of the macmurphy comment. Were you abducted by aliens and an imposter left in place?
judge
Guyver, and if Celtic progress to the next round Scotland probably jumps 3-5 places in that ranking. So what does that tell you? Same as FIFA ranking England 6th. I can tell you that watching lower table teams play each other in Scotland, Portugal, Belgium, Holland and many other countries, is near unwatchable. It's all at the same level. The largest difference for the Scots, and where the League One reference is probably appropriate, is the quality of the pitches. I have always liked watching Kilmarnock, but where WHL is a snooker table, theirs looks closer to a fussball table. It's why players of quality look crap when sent on loan to these other leagues. Frankly, the levels of snobbism with respect to other Leagues, is disappointing, but hardly surprising. Spend 15M on Zaha because he's English. Son is good for an Asian. These sentiments ring out all over here. The Brazilian top League is better than any of the Leagues we are discussing here, if it's overall quality and skill that is on offer. But hey, no one watches that stuff. COYS
peterballb
Yes.
lordjohnny
If Peter and Coops think he can do a job then I'm sold. You both have a very matter-of-fact way of looking at football and of I'm honest I nick a lot of what you say for use down the pub, you can put into words what I want to say. And Peters head for stats is always of interest to me. (I hope this doesn't come across as sarcastic, text can be confusing!)
Tottenham Hotcore
The bile-fuelled hate-meister referencing cult film characters to subtly disparage unwitting recipients has left the squat. Do you like folk music? I do.
lordjohnny
"and if Celtic progress to the next round Scotland probably jumps 3-5 places in that ranking. So what does that tell you?"

Not much to be honest Peter, they hover around 20th all the time, but they are never top 10, what does that tell you? The rankings are done over a number of years, so just because Inter won the CL a few years ago, didnt stop Seria A from dropping a place. So you're actually incorrect in asserting that Scotland jump a few places if Celtic progress to the next round. In fact, even if Celtic win the CL it wouldnt make much difference to Scotlands current slump in rankings.

http://sport.stv.tv/football/clubs/celtic/204460-celtic-winning-the-champions-league-wouldnt-lead-to-coefficient-spike/

ive generally found watching lower table Portuguese, French and Dutch teams far more enjoyable than watching SPL games, but thats my subjective opinion and has nothing to do with which league has more quality. Success in Europe is a superior measure for that and UEFA coefficients have leagues from the likes of Austria, Israel and Poland doing better than the SPL.
Guyver
Hotcore, peter indeed is head of stats .lol. Like we all now know that Bale's goal per minute stat. is higher that Defoe's. Where he gets all this info I have no idea. Good to have stats to back up what you say though. Re. Gary Hooper, like many are saying, IAVBIT too. Also, someone was stating in a previous thread that hopefully Levy is not going to buy someone only if there is a bargain. That would be criminal, imo. Defoe if he is really injured cannot be a good thing but at least it WILL force Levy into the market. COYS and keep up the great work. HAPPY DAYS
Madaboutspurs
"The low figure from the 2012/13 campaign is down predominantly to other Scottish clubs’ failure to progress beyond the qualification stages. Dundee United, Hearts and St Johnstone each contributed 0.5 points to the overall figure of 21.5, on account of each having drawn one match. That number, however, is divided by the number of teams participating from any given nation to give a final average. Motherwell, having lost all four qualifying round games they played in, contributed no points. Celtic's contribution then is more about long-term gain. Further seasons of good results, from more than just one team, are needed to have a meaningful effect on the coefficient. Short-term, one-off bursts by one club only result in a abnormally large season figure if a high percentage of wins are accumulated"
Guyver
Guyver, the difference is, the lower you are in the rankings, the more an anomaly will show an effect. AS for inter, the reason they dropped (Serie A that is) is because the rest of the Italian teams did so poorly by comparison to the English, Spanish, German teams. It's also why runs like Fulham made a few years back have a huge effect. It balances off teams like City going flying out of the competition. It's also why I have never accepted the disrespect people show for Europa. It is important. If Newcastle, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool all go on in Europa, the effect is felt for years, which will keep the EPL in 4 CL spots and 2 or 3 Europa spots.

As for all of the different leagues, they all offer something different. After you get beyond Ligue Un, there really is a huge drop off. There will always be interesting players on Ajax, Brugge, Celtic, Hajduk Split, Hapoel Tel Aviv, Galatasaray, Olympiakos etc. That said, once you get to the bottom half of any of those leagues, there is a huge drop off in talent. In Portugal (no offence, the other leagues are the same) there really are only three teams. Only 8 teams have ever won the title and 4 were only once. The wealth and the academies are all with the big three. The rest are not feeder clubs, but rather where all the players not good enough to make the top three or the better Brazilian teams go to play much like Canadian hockey players that are not, and will not be, good enough for the NHL go to European Leagues, get reasonably well paid (better than the AHL) and play in much less demanding environments. COYS
peterballb
Agree with most of what you posted, but Celtic getting beyond the group stages and even winning the CL is an anomaly, yet that would still have no positive effect on Scotlands ranking. The UEFA coefficients for leagues are structured to reward consistency, by a number of teams, over a number of years, so anomalies have little impact. The facts are that Scotland have a small 12 team league where 5 teams, almost half their league, qualify for Europe and over the last 5 years they have performed poorly compared to other leagues. With whats happened to Rangers, you can expect the SPL's ranking to drop even further over the next 5 years. The SPL is severely lacking in quality and depth, as unlike other nations (eg you gave was Portugal), Scotland currently don't even have a decent talent pool of homegrown players to spill over into the lesser clubs.
Guyver
Mad, for stats there are lots of places out there but very few have them compiled which means lots of math. ESPN have decent stats, but they don't have minutes played so it's a bit of a pain. I use Sportsnet for the big leagues to get minutes and other stats that ESPN does not include. For general transfer and contract status, I like Transfermarkt (you can look by player or by team. The cool thing about the team view is you can go back many years. To look at our transfer history a decade ago and compare it to Arsenal or Everton is a very interesting contrast and even more telling as to how things have changed in the world of Spurs. There is no substitute for watching the games though. COYS
peterballb
peter, imo the best source of statistics is on this site from a poster called peterbalb ;-) Cheers mate. On a side, the Leeds game, according to stats at least should be a walk in the park, yes?
Madaboutspurs
I believe there is a game plan that can be executed to win any game. Cups are notorious for upsets. I am sure that Villa was pretty confident, even down 3-1 going in to the second leg at home. After all, there is a whole world of difference between League 2 and the EPL. Didn't go according to plan or stats. Just like how everyone on the site was suggesting that the QPR game would be a walk in the park for us. It was a banana peel.

Leeds are slowly working their way back up from League Two (a cautionary tale about gambling on the future - count on CL revenues, don't get CL and down you go). They have new owners and are trying to get up in to the playoff zone. They are at home and have loyal fans. The fact it is on TV is a huge boon for the club. Really we should be able to play our second team and beat them. AVB will play his best XI as he needs to continue with the team building and the successful reinforcement, but will let players who need games to play. Friedel, Naughton, Dawson, Caulker, BAE, Parker, Dembele, Lennon, Sigurdsson, Bale, Dempsey. I would hope we'd get Townsend, Carroll and perhaps Pritchard in. If we show the desire we showed against United, we'll go through at a cantor. COYS
peterballb
Good points. Upsets normally happen when the supposed better team eases on intensity and the supposed lower team plays at 100% for 90 minutes.
Madaboutspurs
Still think everyone's barking up the wrong tree with Spurs being linked with Hooper just because AVB went to a game. It was also reported that Fergie was at the game. Reading the tea-leaves (aka Twitter) I reckon quite a few clubs are watching Victor Wanyama including Spurs, Utd, Arsenal, Fulham etc. Parker didn't have a bad game on the weekend but he hardly dominated midfield like Sandro had been previously. Wanyama is perhaps more of a like for like for him and can also slot back into defence. That could have implications on both Livermore and Gallas leaving the club. In fact, I would place more money on Wanyama joining us with Livermore and Gallas joining Harry's lot than I would Gary Hooper joining us.
muttley
Wilfried Bony was a name mentioned yesterday by Coopsie...

had a little look and i kinda like what im seeing..

Fellow Yiddos... meet "Monkey Kong".. there words not mine..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKWodin3QOk
Yidmarks
Any striker we buy is a gamble, there no guarantee that they will succeed, whether we get someone for free or spend £50m. Obviously the lower the fee/wages the less the gamble. I've not seen Hooper play regularly to comment on whether he is the man we want or not, for me that's AVB's job to recognise. If AVB wants him them that's OK with me.

One thing to take on board, it doesn't matter what league or level you play in, if you get chances and you convert them then that is a sign of quality. Defoe gets chances but his conversion rate is poor, if Hooper converts more of the chances then he's an improvement. I'd be happy to get Hooper now for £8-10m and cash in on Defoe in the summer for the same fee. That would be good business and would still leave the door open for a top striker in the summer
yiddyboy
Gary flippin Blooper Incredible !!! Celtic are pants !!
South L/Derry Spurs
BJK
South L/Derry Spurs
Leandro Damaio has been left out of the Brazil squad to face England next month. He is obviously rubbish so let's get Hooper!!
yiddyboy
If our coaching staff think he's good enough. Then he is good enough. If they don't then he isn't. Simple as that. Personally I would enquire as to benteke's worth atm, seeing as villa are doing so poorly.
wiltshirespur
As long as AvB is happy with him and not being forced to take him by Levy, I'll be happy. As I said earlier, he can only be better than Defoe, even he scores at the same rate as Defoe, but manages to keep his assist rate, he'll be better.
Tottenham Hotcore
It's a "NO" from me......but that's not to say, he isn't worth a £7mill' punt. Having Just assessed him on youtube....my thoughts were.....NOT two footed enough..and very much helped by poor defending and goalkeeping.
82spursdebut
It is funny that people say, he ain't the quality blah, blah, blah. In honesty, I do not know enough about him to say we should take a risk and clearly depends on £ v's what else is available. However, over the years we have heard the same about Suarez (no way - he cheated in world cup, bit someones ear etc), Michu (never heard of him & only £2 million sio must be crap), Jelavic (SPL is rubbish & so must he be - BTW - Hooper stats are better than Jelavic's), Ba (only spam want him as injury prone) etc etc etc. Assuming the same people would have said, Henry, he's been crap at Juve. RVP - dutch league is rubbish etc . As stated, I am not sure on this one, but we need a striker, if we are not going to splash out circa £20-£30 million, then maybe we need to take a punt on this type of striker. He can score & am sure will show more desire than Ade and will be better in the air & not as offside as much as Defoe. If the price is right & AVB is keen (who knows) do it & the doubters doubt, but I will support one of our new players. COYS
Windlespur
PS - people on Vital show more desire than Ade.
Windlespur
Windle Suarez and Hooper in the same sentence , i guess Hooper has made it then. In Suarez's case it was only Redknapp who didn't think he was good enough so that opinion has no value. Dame Margot Fontayn once said Ali was a sheit boxer, similiar I guess she knew FA boxers.
tophobunty
Wentworth had a great idea the other day to solve our striker "crisis" re-sign Pav. Who would support Wentworth on that?
tophobunty
8 DAYS of this wonderful transfer window to go. Windlespur did you see Ade yesterday, OMG the only effort he put in, was some sort of goal celebration when Togo scored, looked more like a rain dance, watching him his value would be ??? Will Avb go for Hooper, well at least he would give 110%. No guarantee ny striker will hit the ground running, but at least the guy is in form, who knows?
spu 4 life
good point spu4...does Hooper need to donate 4 million a week to any charities?
tophobunty
Windlespur - You will support one of our new players! Fantastic, then support our current ones. Every single reason you gave there about other strikers was very valid until you put Ade down. 'Show more desire than Ade' many on here are saying 'Show more desire than Hooper'...I don't see the difference mate?
SpursOne2
Know one know what this bloke is like in a spurs shirt yet some seem to know how much effort he will put in....yeah ok!! Anther thing Ive spotted is people thinking Harry is responsible for transfers...when its Levy...Same as now eh? AVB's target is Hooper. So its all on him? Enough said really One rule for one, one rule for another springs to mind
SpursOne2
He good enough to play for a premiership side - like Norwich, but not Spurs! We want the kind of player that make Vincent Kompany phone in sick!
SPUDMAN
Oops hope I fixed it
Wilts Spurs
How do I get rid of bold
Wilts Spurs
Did < b > with no spaces but no idea how to reverse it. Was an accident meant to do < br > for paragraph
Wilts Spurs
Pav? Where is TornadoYid when a good foot-stamping is needed?
Slurms McKenzie
Jaysus Wilts Spurs, stop putting $hit in brackets you could accidently launch a nuclear ICBM at this rate! :-)
Slurms McKenzie
Cheers Slurms any idea how to lose the bold?
Wilts Spurs
I think we must always be wary of jumping in for the likes of Hooper. OK, the guy has done well in the SPL, a relatively poor league in which the likes of Kyle, Stokes, and Samaras, all players who were less than ordinary previously in the PL, have flourished, even Robbie Keane became a scoring sensation up there before going to the MLS, another hot bed of mediocre players. Some are quoting Jelavic and I agree he was a bargain, but hey he cost half of what Celtic are seeking for Hooper. When you start talking £10M the player is moving into the big league, with those from Serie A and La Liga, where at least you know a player who shines, has been tested at top level, rather than in a league of the standard of the SPL, which used to be a 2 team league, now reduced to 1, the team that Hooper plays for, how many chances does he get in every game, and who is against him as No.5s, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers. One adventure in the CL does not a great striker make. At £4-5M he is worth a punt, at the alleged £10M that Celtic are looking for, let him stay where he is as far as we are concerned, for another £2Mish you get a go at the likes of Negredo, no contest.
Frank
Another point, Hooper is British (english) born in Harlow, his a local lad to white hart lane (has to be a spurs fan) his not coming from a foreign country, he knows the club, ok it's changed a bit since he was last around, he is a goalscorer, the guy that scored for Bradford last night once worked in a supermarket, ok he (Hooper) plays in the SPL, his also played champions league football, to score the number of goals he has, he must be doing something right, if he comes he will get my support, if he fails that's his fault not mine, I don't think he will fail, but give the lad a chance, before hanging him out to dry, his not even signed yet, can't be any worse than Pav Harry Kane never scored 5 goals against Hearts, Hooper did.
spu 4 life
Celtic will talk at £8mil (club statement made this morning). Frank, Hooper has scored at EVERY level he's played at. lower league, slightly higher league, then the SPL, not to mention the CL too... People are screaming for Negredo & llorente, yet they've only ever played in 1 league and, in Llorente's case, for only 1 club.. I simply don't understand why Negredo is more likely to be a success than the more travelled & weathered Gary Hooper ? Not having a pop at you Frank (I think you know that though), I'm just not so quick to dismiss a player because he hasn't played in an exotic league.... I guess I could ask you to consider a reverse of the Modric situation, ie he was excellent for us & handled the PL very well. Yet he's gone over to La Liga & has been voted the worst buy of the year. So what's to say that Negredo & Llorente etc have excelled in La Liga, but wouldn't flop in the PL?.
coopsieyid
Younès Belhanda will be playing for Morocco later, worth a look to see how he does,
spu 4 life
Wednesday's transfer news: Newcastle to sign Yoan Gouffran and Massadio Haidara, Spurs expect signing of Holtby within 48 hours and Gary Hooper saga continues. by Mark Buckingham edited by Sky Sports News1:15 PM
spu 4 life
Coopsie, there is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever that any player coming to the PL wouldn't fail, we could get David Villa, Leandro, or even Lionel Messi, and it could go tits up, that's the nature of football, and the risks you take, but surely you must play "percentages" and "the laws of probability", and surely proven La Liga and Spanish International players, WC participants are a better risk than a bloke from a 1 team league, when he plays for the only proper team in it, and scores regularly. Lastly I know you are not having a pop, at least we can have a disagreement (not that often), without us "throwing our toys out of the pram", unlike several on here who shall remain nameless, we can be adult.
Frank
Sorry have to leave soon. Will check later if anyone can help with removing bold.
Wilts Spurs
depends what you want coops...if you want a player who scores running onto the ball like defoe then go for Hooper...let's face it Defoe has scored at every level and still gets it in spades for his all round play, lack of aerial threat and back to goal play....Negredo can play back to goal, has an excellent first touch, can play lone striker and still knows where the back of the net is....playing Celtic Defoe would destroy the Scottish league imo.
shedboy2
END BOLD NOW!!!!
T.H.F.Chris
Done
T.H.F.Chris
I agree shedboy, if 5ft 7 Rod Wallace can look good in the SPL 10 years ago when the standard was decent, then Defoe (similar style but better player) would look world class in this current inferior version of the SPL.
Guyver
That should do it
darkenvai
This should sort it!
darkenvai
that was bold of you dark
spu 4 life
bloody kids
spu 4 life
I dont think he is worth the money we are looking for..
what_sux
If you like your pub football, but under the heading ACON watch South Africa vs Angola
spu 4 life
Thanks dark . chris and s4l whoever fixed it.
Wilts Spurs
Is it fixed? It's still all bold for me, contrary to expectations. Both Chris and my interventions should have worked.
darkenvai
Hey dark, nice to see you posting. How have you been? COYS
peterballb
how about this
T.H.F.Chris
haha
T.H.F.Chris
italics are stuck on now, if you would like anything else turned on which can't be turned off let me, dark or wilts know................
T.H.F.Chris
Always wondered what the T.H.F. stood for in T.H.F.Chris now I know it means "That Hateful Fu€ker" Chris!!!!!! :-)
Slurms McKenzie
This should clear everything up but things aren't behaving the way I'd like them too

Very well, thanks Peter. You?
darkenvai
I just wish somebody would stop messing around with the site, it buggers it up for everybody,
Frank
Agree with nothappyharry Defoe would get 50 goals a season in spl, the people that want this transfer are just desperate for a signing, having said that Defoe is 31 now and hooper 24 so I can see it as a Defoe replacement/ squad option plus another Englishman on the books is not a bad thing. COYS
tottingham10
Very Well thanks Dark. Got to WHL for the WBA and Norwich games, we beat ManU away and took four of six from them, so it's been a great season to date. Really like the mental strength in the squad. COYS
peterballb
Sure you didn't FLY off the fence. LOL
chrishove123
Remove bold, the use the < /b > command ... Hopefully that will work Wilts Spur
ro6ertj
give the lad Hooper < /b> a go ...
ro6ertj
or Hooper
ro6ertj
So did the HTML course work ?
ro6ertj
Obviously not for me, sorry guys , HTML like most things is a mystery to me ... COYS COYS
ro6ertj
well not really paid much attention to him as yet however Jelavic has made a pretty successful transition to the premier league so why not Hooper as well?
Yorkspur
Also didn't AVB go on a scouting mission when he was out of work for 8 months surely he wasn't looking at hooper!
tottingham10
Do one slums, the 'T' stands for 'Thee'!!!
T.H.F.Chris
Spu 4, how does being born in Harlow make you human let alone British
tophobunty
Spu 4, how does being born in Harlow make you human let alone British from tophobunty; I was not born in Harlow Gary Hooper was, yes we are both British/ English, perhaps the best person to ask is Glenn Hoddle?
spu 4 life
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