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Why so dismissive of Hooper?

Why so dismissive of Hooper?

The internet if rife with talk that Spurs could make a bid for Celtic striker Gary Hooper, much to the disgust of many Tottenham fans.

Of course, Hooper is playing in Scotland, therefore he has to be rubbish, would appear to be the thinking of many, and the fact he has scored 71 goals in 116 games North of the Border at 0.6 goals per game is purely due to useless opposition in the league that his side dominate. However his 4 Champions league goals in nine games might counter that argument, though lets not let anything positive about the player detract from the character assassination, even before there is foundation to the link.

Hooper will be twenty-five next week and would appear to be improving every season as a player and scorer. Sure he is playing in a league that is probably rating somewhere around our Championship level, perhaps below, however is there an ability in him to step up in quality and become a natural scorer at whatever level he plays? Perhaps as English fans, we dismiss any player in Scotland, but as we have seen in the past, that hasn't stopped someone like Henrik Larsson, leaving Celtic for Barcalona, and Hooper is probably their best striker since the Swede left in 2004.

Lets not forget that Hooper is English and he will surely see moving South as a way to attract Roy Hodgson to his talents at a higher level and perhaps we need to consider the opinions of our coaching staff over our own 'expert' views, should they decide he is good enough to perform for Tottenham. Now I haven't really seen enough of Hooper to suggest whether he is or isn't good enough for us, however I am happy to back the judgement of AVB and his team. Perhaps if he was an exotic foreign signing or playing in an exotic foreign league, we would be excited, but because he is an Englishman, playing in Scotland, he is by simple definition rubbish.

Though only 5'9' tall, Hooper is a player that is seen as comfortable holding the ball up and also linking well with his midfield. Add to that he is rated highly as a natural scorer, perhaps Spurs fans shouldn't dismiss his attributes lightly. Hooper was originally on the books of Spurs from the age of seven, until his release at 14, and that release has always been something to rankle with the player and is suggested to be a driving force in his career to prove Spurs wrong. Whether based on past history, he would welcome a return to WHL, remains up for debate, but judging by the premature reaction of our fans, he might prefer to play his football elsewhere and save himself the hassle...

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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Tuesday January 22 2013
Time: 5:54PM

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Cos he aint the quality we looking for, we can't wait all this time for a striker and sign Gary Hooper, Ox I know you always big up the average players we are linked too. I would rather we wait and stay with what we got.
Ossie
22/01/2013 18:04:00
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You've stated all the reasons why he is not what we need. He is a similar player to defoe in height and build and it would mean that the two of them couldn't play together. He is not proven in a top european league, let alone the premiership. He was playing for league 1 team two seasons ago. Also at £10m, he surely doesn't even represent value for money. Not the statement that would strike fear in the top PL teams.
Gibyid
22/01/2013 18:05:00
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I think it might just be a gamble worth taking, just like getting AVB as manager was.
The Hudd
22/01/2013 18:06:00
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Here's my take on this. Hooper is fast, strong and most certainly knows where the back of the net is. He has not looked out of place in Europe. The issue I have is the 10M, which I find inflated. I accept that he will not come to us on paltry wages (if he will even consider us given our history with him). Son and Mitroglou (who is being suggested as the man Celtic will bring in to replace Hooper - no doubt with the help of Samaras) will cost about the same. I would suggest the other two would offer better cover and they too have looked at home in Europe. For me, I'd do the 2 for 1. Hooper will settle quicker, in all likelihood. Son and Mitroglou, if successful, could represent huge merchandising potential. Regardless, if we do somehing, and AVB is on board with it, it will take the pressure off the striker issue, and then perhaps we'll also nick Negredo, who I feel will move on the 31st to whomever he prefers. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 18:07:00
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COME ON! REALLY!!!!!!??
TornadoYid
22/01/2013 18:08:00
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Not EVERYBODY is dismissive yung oxfordspur ;).

Delusions of grandeur are visible amongst the ranks of many THFC supporters. You see, the probelm is, his ame isn't exotic enough, he's excelled in te SPL, and apparently any old duffer can succeed there? So he must be dismissed with immediate effect & consigned to the 'not good enough' pile!!

I remember the same dismissal of Jelavic when members on here were suggesting him before he went to Everton, only for pretty much every member of this site to come out last season & admit that they were wrong & he was an absolute bargain. Now he's apparently $hit again lol...

Personally I'm in no position to say wether I'd like to have Hooper or not, because I've not seen the guy play. That said, I'm not narrowminded enough to siply dismiss im as 'no good enough' because we'd be signing him from the SPL. I remember Man Utd signing a striker from the SPL once, from Celtic, he didn't turn out too bad for them. It just so happens that the people at Celtic are now talking about this lad Hooper in the same way as they did about Larsson.

Ox, thanks for the article. I look forward to reading the responses (dismissal of this absurd thought lol).
coopsieyid
22/01/2013 18:08:00
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Hooper is 3 or 4 inches taller than Defoe. He is 5 years younger. His scoring rate per 90 minutes is way better than Defoe has ever seen. He is stronger than Defoe and holds the ball up well in Europe and in Scotland and he is much more effective (in games I have seen) playing off the shoulder of the last defender. There are no guarantees other thn he won't be coming unless AVB wants him. In that, I trust. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 18:11:00
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I'd rather get Kane back from loan or give Obika a chance, than buy a striker with no pedigree. I hope that the reports about the Sevilla chairman meeting in London earlier in the month were Negredo to Spurs related and the reason it hasn't happened yet is Levy playing brinkmanship to see how desperate their finances get by Jan 31.
Gibyid
22/01/2013 18:12:00
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Like i said if Defoe played for Celtic right now he would score 30 plus goals a season. Thanks but no thanks. This is why we get left with players on the books, we can not shift. Not good enough for a team going for top four. Hence the links with Norwich. How long have the club been looking for a forward to come up with Hooper.
nothappyharry
22/01/2013 18:15:00
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Similarly can't comment on him, so wouldn't dismiss him out of hand. 4 CL goals shows he is no mug. But the whole story does smack of Levy running around in a panic trying desperately to sign someone at the last minute. Again! I might be wrong and it's all part of his grand plan, but...
ParkLaneBB
22/01/2013 18:15:00
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Gib - "He is not proven in a top european league".. What on earth is the CL mate? Surely there isn't a tougher European League out there?

"Not the statement that would strike fear in the top PL teams"... Fair play. Then again, statements don't strike fear into any team, goals do!! So IF this lad has been identified by AVB, I fully believe that he will shut up many a member of this site. As I said earlier, AVB was being slagged right of in the summer because it was reprted that Levy wanted Sahin, but AVB neve fancied him beause he didn't think he would suit the PL. Like I said, IF Hooper is the player that AVB has identified, that'll do for me because history speaks for itself :) IAVBIT
coopsieyid
22/01/2013 18:15:00
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What we need is the next Sheringham/Klinsmann/Berbatov. What we don't need is Hooper!He will be just a short term fix and a risky one at that. Coops have you seen the amount of chances Jelavic has missed lately?? Yeah he started in the EPL pretty well but my best mate is a blue nose and watches all the games he reckons they will be shipping him out in the summer cos he is s..hite. His words not mine. If we are going to go for a short term fix I would rather us trya and buy berbatov back or something like that. At least then we know what we are getting! HOOPER!!!!??? (Puts noose around neck and jumps off chair)!
TornadoYid
22/01/2013 18:18:00
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Just can't see it. I asked would he come on another blog and was smashed. I just think it would take a lot of £££ and could go wrong. For 10 million there are better players.
RAF Yid
22/01/2013 18:21:00
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Gibyid,Kane has shown nothing of being ready to step in. I'd throw in Obika before I'd bring Kane back. Nothing I see in Kane's game suggests to me that he'll succeed in the PL.

One other thing that should be noted about Hooper is that at Scunthorpe and at Celtic, his contribution in assists has been very good for an up top striker. We need that. With Defoe in there, we are essentially playing with 10 men. If he isn't scoring, he is doing nothing. RVP the other day made some great passes, held the ball up, made three key defensive headers, oh and scored a goal. The most Defoe will ever do is score a goal. Bale scores more often per 90 minutes on the pitch than does Defoe. WE NEED A STRIKER

Negredo is being chased by several teams. I have no doubt they are all willing to meet what Seville want. The question will be, where does Negredo want to go. I'd prefer Son and Mitroglou, but if it's to be Hooper, do it now and take the pressure off of the 31st. If we nick Negredo, great. If not, we are not doing without or scrambling. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 18:21:00
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Gibyid - what does it matter that he was playing for a league 1 team two seasons ago? Caulker spent a year in league 1 a few seasons ago, is he toilet too? The fact he's gone up in the world and been successful at that higher level shows he's able to fulfill potential. If he'd come up from the Ajax academy, played a handful of games for the senior side in a league not a huge amount better than in Scotland, everyone would be creaming themselves at the prospect even if they hadn't even seen him play in any of those handful of games. Anyway, it hardly matters, I really think it's doubtful we'll be signing anyone this window.
flipper
22/01/2013 18:22:00
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Just did my scouting report on him :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6GcgO7rbXw He aint no SuperJan.
thenuge
22/01/2013 18:22:00
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PeterB, theres more to come from Kane, I thought it was a little too earlier for him but glad he went to Norwich. He is going to be a really good player, my only worry is his pace which isn't the greatest. Time will tell.
RAF Yid
22/01/2013 18:24:00
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nothappyharry, I doubt that Defoe would score 30 goals in Scotland. The tackles are much more brutal and he would not be allowed to be so unidimensional. Hooper is good with his head and with playing in other players. Defoe is poor on both of those accounts. In his last 8 games, Defoe has 1 goal from more than 30 shots. I thought 2 from 8 was bad, I stand corrected. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 18:25:00
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Off-Topic Note: it has just been released on Spurs Official Web Site that the Club can announce a profit from operations of 23 MM pounds, etc, etc. At the very end, one can read words by Daniel Levy about new stadium: "We are ever ambitious for the Club, driving all areas of the business and our focus continues to be the delivery of an increased capacity stadium. There is much work to be done refining the detailed design and resolving the final development issues. We intend to deliver this to the same high standards of the new Training Centre and to reward our incredibly loyal supporters with a world class stadium and one that will have made a crucial contribution to the regeneration of a priority borough in London."
AlexSpur
22/01/2013 18:25:00
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to be fair i like gary hooper,lets not snub our noses at celtic,they have 3 or 4 players who would easily get into top 6 clubs in epl,
ghulamville
22/01/2013 18:26:00
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RAF, I hope you are right. He reminds me of an almost player. If he can get playing time and stay healthy, perhaps we'll see. He most certainly is not ready for Spurs. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 18:28:00
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Well with those stats Ox I truely don't see why City or United are not in for him...?
ledgespur
22/01/2013 18:29:00
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Gib - Kane & Obika's lower league records compared to Hoopers? How much have you seen ANY of the aforementioned players actually play? Too easy to dismiss mate. We all have opinions & are entitled to voice them. However, it is much more likely that an opinion will be respected if it's actually based upn something other than a dislike for a none exotic name. I'd also like to know how you can guarantee that Negredo is more likely to be a success than Negredo? Veron, Shevchenko, Brolin, Marlet, Bogarde, Rebrov, Marcelino, Mutu?, Balaban....ALL were VERY highly rated (some truly world class) players, yet ALL were absolute failures when crossing to these shores.

Sometimes a safe bet is the best bet..

I should point out that I'm NOT trying to argue with you mate. I'm just offering another side for you (and others) to look at things from.
coopsieyid
22/01/2013 18:30:00
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as their champions league run is proving
ghulamville
22/01/2013 18:31:00
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Kevin Keegan once played at Scunthorpe United, (then again so did Ian Botham played 11 games) he turned out ok at Liverpool. Gary Hooper will be 25 on the 24th January, he was born in Harlow (must be a Spurs fan) played 80 games for Scunthorpe scoring 43 goals, @ Celtic his played 81 games scoring 55 goals, lets put a spin on things and say his been on loan to Celtic, but to join us he will cost 10m, his still young enough, on what i have seen this afternoon Ade was about as much use as a ash tray on a motor bike and who's to say AVB won't get shot of him, having Gary Hooper does give us options and that's what football is all about, he knows how to score goals, that's an art, not something you can teach, his english, he knows the area and most likely his idle was Glenn Hoddle. Yeah i would have him in, in a heart beat, does not mean we stop searching for a striker, we are just adding +1
spu 4 life
22/01/2013 18:32:00
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Coopsie - In general, the pedigree of the SPL is championship level. This is an undeniable fact. You Only have to look at the players who have played in England and at Celtic in recent history - Joe Ledley, Kris Commons, Samaras (City reserves), the three players that went to Middlesbrough (McDonald, Flood, Robson), Glenn Loovens. Of course, they could find someone like Jelavic (who has only scored 6 goals in 22 appearances this season btw), but this is not the case here and we have already rejected Hooper as not good enough when he was a kid!
Gibyid
22/01/2013 18:32:00
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why don't we get Samaras, the big man he plays off...oh I almost forgot, he's crap, so does that make hooper better or worse?....just can't see that he's the type of striker we need....
shedboy2
22/01/2013 18:34:00
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******** Hooper!!!!! REALLY!!!!!!!!!?????? (Slaps palm in face hard!)
TornadoYid
22/01/2013 18:34:00
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Alex, I knew someone would mention the 23M number. If you read further it clearly states that the actual operating figure was a loss of 1.6M pre-tax (versus 1.4M pre-tax profit the previous year, and an after interest and tax loss of 4.3M versus the prior year's profit of .7M.

So, this again confirms that Spurs are run with either a slight profit, or a slight loss. As it states, all within the parameters of the FFPR. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 18:34:00
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TY - No mate I've not seen any of Jelavic this season, nor do I intend to, because he doesn't play for THFC. I only mentioned him because people were abused on her for suggesting him whilst he was still at Rangers. Then he signed for Everton last summer and this site had more turncoats than the front-line of the French army.
coopsieyid
22/01/2013 18:34:00
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@Coops, Robbie Keane suceeded at Celtic when he couldn't buy a goal for us. I will go along with AVB if he has indeed marked Hooper as his man, then so be it, as i trust his call.
ledgespur
22/01/2013 18:35:00
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haha coops
TornadoYid
22/01/2013 18:35:00
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So Levy's statement confirms in black and white that we have become property developers and have shifted our focus from the pitch...welcome to years of Garry Hooper type signings....
shedboy2
22/01/2013 18:37:00
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flipper - Good response to Gibid. Who was Hernandez playing for before Utd signed him? The equivalent of the GM Vauxhall Conference,I should imagine. Thank fu** we never saw him & took a risk on him!!
coopsieyid
22/01/2013 18:38:00
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Anyway, I'll leave you to argue about it, Im going to have some food & go & sit with the kids for a bit...
coopsieyid
22/01/2013 18:39:00
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I think your being unfair on the championship. Those players were brought by Celtic, the top team by far in that league. The rest of the division would be happy to have championship players playing for them.
nothappyharry
22/01/2013 18:42:00
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If I'm being honest as long as its an AVB signing I will be happy as I fully trust him. From what I've seen of Hooper I actually quite like. For me, to be a top class footballer, you have to be smart an have a football brain. Hooper seems to have this in creating space for himself an others. He is a very good finisher an not sure about his hold up play but others have said he's good at this so all good! Oh an he's very determined an works extremely hard, summin which should be a given but rarely is an can not be underestimated, not only cos it puts the other team under pressure but it also creates space for you or your team ates to exploit eg Shane Long.
BrooksySpurs
22/01/2013 18:44:00
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If that's who avb honestly wants then let's just see I guess. Personally I think it's more a case off levys saying you've got £8m to spend so pick one! That's the only reason why I don't think it's a good idea. Rather have nobody than 8th choice (if he is if course). Just smells fishy, look at avbs supposed targets at the start of the season (Willian moutinho Oscar) and it just doesn't add up. Like I've said before, surely budgets were discussed before his appointment?
hudderspur
22/01/2013 18:48:00
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Read this and it just sums it up really.............................Re: Jan Signings"It is of course a position the supporters are fairly well acquainted with and part of the frustration that’s continuing to simmer in N17, stems from events this time last year. But this January, there is no maverick Harry Redknapp of which Levy was rumoured to be wary of handing a considerable transfer warchest. Villas-Boas is the antidote, yet seemingly the same problems are continuing to exist."
ledgespur
22/01/2013 18:51:00
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shedboy, Samaras is not crap. Don't get me wrong, he is way below what we should be looking at. He is, like Defoe, one who plays alone up top regardless of what's going on around him. It is also why Hooper has had disagreements with his manager because he does not like playing with Samaras preferring his partnership with Stokes.

The only issue I have is the price tag. To state that a player who scored 24 and assisted on 7 to help get his League One team promoted and then add 19 goals and 5 ssists the year after in the Championship and then to go to Scotland and score 20 assist on 7 followed by 24 and 8 and already has 11 this season, shows me that he has scored in every League he has played in. This is his third year in the SPL. Every defender is aware of his threat, yet he still scores. It would not be a deal I would be against because I do believe he can not only score, but potentially form a partnership with another footballer. That's what we need. Again, if AVB don't want him, he won't be coming. If the price tag is too high, he won't be coming. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 18:52:00
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Villas-Boas was the vision that Levy put his faith into, to bring him to the football club at the start of the season. If the money is there to spend, now is the time for the chairman to put his faith in the manager and do everything he can do to bolster his blueprints for a top four finish. Spurs are competing for Champions League football for the second consecutive season without the funds that it provides. They might not be able to repeat the trick for a third year running. Levy has so often got it right in terms of the signings he’s acquired for the club but this month more than ever, he can’t afford to get it wrong.
ledgespur
22/01/2013 18:54:00
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@Hudder, Of course it is not who AVB wants. AVB only has a partial say in transfers that has been known for a while. Hooper may well be Sherwoods choice IMO. The fact remains that we have a transfer committee which is fine, lots of Clubs run this way, but, we need to ensure we take our Managers views as top targets and try to obtain them.
ledgespur
22/01/2013 18:58:00
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Hooper looks good. Defoe is brilliant and proven in the prem league. BUT I would pay 10 million extra and get MICHU if we can. We haven't actually spent any money this season giving the buys and sells we're about even . I'd pump at least 20 into a striker....MICHU or Damaio fit the bill. Can we get them? Do they want to come , who knows....in Spurs we love ;)
willfry
22/01/2013 18:59:00
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(cough cough) @ willfry second sentence. :)
ledgespur
22/01/2013 19:07:00
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peterballb it says he scores 0.6 per game which is the same as JD isn't it? so how can that be VASTLY superior? Why do we want a player who's scoring stats are no better than our current striker. All that will happen is he will come in for major criticism by the same people who slag of JD for not scoring enough. Yes I do also believe that if/when he comes here he WILL find it a lot harder to score as the game is of a much higher quality here than in Scotland.
chrishove123
22/01/2013 19:08:00
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HOOPER!!!!!! FFS REALLY!!!!!!!!!???? (Takes 50 paracetemol downed with vodka)
TornadoYid
22/01/2013 19:10:00
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While I won't be dismissive, what I will say is that he's played week in week out for the last 4 or 5 seasons. How would he cope being rotated? Obviously if he came and hit the ground running then perhaps he wouldn't be, but I'd be cautious. Probably would take him as a punt for a few mil, but £10m seems excessive. Then again, who knows, it's up to AVB and what he wants to bring in. Defoe isn't getting any younger so a fresh face with a different playing style (which it certainly is) might be what we need. Oh and one other thing that needs to be taken into consideration is that while the opposition is obviously superior in the Premier League, he'll be playing alongside some greatly superior players too, on better pitches. All can have an impact for good or bad.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
22/01/2013 19:10:00
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ledge, Robbie succeeded at Celtic because he was played. I watched the first 4 or 5 Celtic games with him in the lineup. He was god awful. Out of shape, no timing, missed sitters all over the place. Fact is, after his Christmas shenanigans, Harry froze him out. Players need to play. He wasn't playing and when he did he was partnered by Defoe (which suited Defoe, for a while, but never suited Robbie). Hooper, by contrast, has not even hit his peak years and has shown, at each increasing level, that he has succeeded. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 19:12:00
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Why do many Spurs supporters prefer "names " rather than back the manager's judgement. Ok the maybe same people who did not rate AVB may be slowly changing thier opiinion but lets try a novel approach and support players and management. Including Adebayor!
camper
22/01/2013 19:12:00
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People are forgetting how much of a premium there is on strikers. If Swansea can get £15m for Joe Allen in the summer, then surely they'd be looking at £20m for Michu. His stock can't rise much more.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
22/01/2013 19:13:00
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Maybe at times we read the lines, but not what is written !!! AVB has most likely has had him watched, subject to those reports, he wants to have a look himself and see if he has the potential to do a job for us, if AVB then follows this up, i trust his judgement, oh and it sounds to me like we do have a scouting policy in place Hotlby Germany, Hooper Scotland don't see these games on MOTD?
spu 4 life
22/01/2013 19:14:00
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@Peter, point taken but Robbie was done, nobody wanted him in the PL. I could bet my car on it if Defoe went the other way he would rip the Scottish game apart he would score more than Hooper IMO. I just can't see the point in getting in a player that will not improve us.
ledgespur
22/01/2013 19:17:00
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Really doubt DL will pay 10M for Hooper. Just not gonna happen for that price 5-6M would be more like it. Still would like to see Obika start against Leeds.
jvd
22/01/2013 19:17:00
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6GcgO7rbXw&feature=player_embedded
coopsieyid
22/01/2013 19:23:00
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Sorry about that clip. He put far to many 1 on 1's in the back of the net, for us to conside him.. Next target please!!
coopsieyid
22/01/2013 19:26:00
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Kane is never going to make it because he has modelled himself on Pav.. they are carbon copies.Get the occasional tap in but hate physical contact,poor in the air,can't link play and are easily muscled off the ball.We need someone who is strong,good with both feet, can head,brave,moves around and gives 100%..not easy because they are so expensive.Kane and Obika are not good enough.At the top of the Prem you have to be top quality.Man You have four we have a half!!
wentworth
22/01/2013 19:27:00
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Flipper - your comparison with Caulker is massively flawed for two reasons. Firstly, their age. Caulker has just turned 21 and Hooper will be 25 later this month. Caulker was an established Premier League player at 19 at Swansea. Hooper has never played at such a high level atany time in his career, let alone by that age. Secondly, Caulker was on loan. That is a very different status to being a League 1 player. Age 17 - League 1, Age 18 championship. Hooper has played for Grays Athletic and was on loan FROM Southend. Coops - my point about Kane/Obika is that I would rather not spend £10m on an unproven when we've already got unproven players (Kane has at least played in the premier league!)
Gibyid
22/01/2013 19:30:00
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ANOTHER THOUGHT THOUGH!!! It seems to now be well known that AVB has set somebody up to watch Celtic play. MAYBE he's actually sent someone up to take a look at the Wanyama (spelling?) kid? He seems to be getting LOTS of interest, and with the supposed need tocover Sandro/replace Parker in the not so distant future, maybe it's possible that it's the Wanyama boy who's being watched? He's only bout 20 isn't he? Highly thought of, Utd are linked with him, sounds very Levy-esque to me ;)
coopsieyid
22/01/2013 19:31:00
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chrishove123, those stats are not correct. In 81 games he has scored 55 goals and added 18 assists. This all presumes he plays 90 minutes each time out which is not the case. I am too lazy to do the math, but assuming all were 90 minute appearances (again - they weren't) he scored at a rate of .68 goals per 90 minutes. Defoe this year, depending upon the minutes stats you use, is somewhere below .48 goals per 90 minutes. What I like about Hooper is the 18 assists. He has contributed a goal or an assist .9 times per 90 minutes played. That's pretty darned good. Better when you consider tht he did not play as many minutes as my calculations are based on. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 19:31:00
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No ledge, what no one in the PL was willing to d is to give him his 75k/week. LA offered that and off he went. It wasn't that he was not wanted so much as that he was not wanted at the price. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 19:33:00
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Bernio, they sold him to the same crowd that Newcastle got 35m for Andy C lol
ledgespur
22/01/2013 19:33:00
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i would hazard a guess its because compared to the names being mentioned on here over the past 12 months or so many would view him a lesser player. That could be it. On another note i cant quite see him as a player AVB would have watched or be attracted to, I could be wrong on this.
tophobunty
22/01/2013 19:36:00
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I have watched Michu in three of his last four PL games and have been both impressed and uninspired. His play, when with the ball or in a scoring position, is excellent. At all other times he seems a passenger. Lots of walking when he is not involved. We need better. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 19:36:00
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S. Villas-Boas (I prefer to respect the guy by giving him his name rather than an abbreviation-call me pompous, I call it manners-unlike tabloid journos and Talkmoron) is at Celtic Park tonight, and like my esteemed poster Mr. Coops, I wouldn't be surprised if he's looking at Wanyama too. Trouble is, Sirralex is there too, and it must be serious if he's going to Celtic Park-definitely away territory for him.
lordjohnny
22/01/2013 19:41:00
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Larson scored 53 goals in 50 games in one season for Celtic, if hooper was that prolific in the Scottish league I'd say go for it but 0.6 as the main striker in a championship standard equates to 0.2 in the premier league. Hope we not sign him, not big enough for a 4 5 1 and is he better tan Defoe? If we o sign him then there is nothing more tan I'd love to be proven wrong but I'd take kenwyne jones or Danny graham as better and cheaper short term alternatives
spurticus87
22/01/2013 19:42:00
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Michu a bit of a poor mans Berbetov, he just isn't good enough to not contribute anything other than goals. Mind you he does score pretty often. Not sure I would want him in our team to move us forward.
tophobunty
22/01/2013 19:42:00
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would not say no to wanyama - he is going to be world class in 2-3 years imo. Excitingly good prospect and way too good for Celtic. But GARY HOOPER!!!!!??? REALLY!!!!!!!!!??? (Slaps Levy in the face and points to Llorente wearing a Juve shirt shouting WHY!!!)
TornadoYid
22/01/2013 19:45:00
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AVB is at Celtic Park tonight.
Sebthespur
22/01/2013 19:46:00
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I have not seen him play but certainly have no problem with the principle of signing a promsing player from the SPL. The issue I have is the price. Surely Jelavic is a worthy comparison here. 12 months ago Everton signed him for £5M. At that point he may not have been proven in a top league but the bloke had earnt 20 odd caps for his country. Croatia's performances in recent tournies is very comparable to ours (arguably better). Why, therefore, would we pay twice as much for a player presently no-where near his international squad? An appropriate figure for Hooper should be more like 3-4M. That's worth a stab. £10M is a joke. If Spurs are unable to afford to spend the £15-20M on the 'marquee striker we crave then fair enough. My agrument is that it is a false economy to go out and pay £10M or anywhere near it on a totally unproven player. If we can't afford to pay £20M why gamble £10M on a player clearly priced at diouble his market value?
gyromancered
22/01/2013 19:48:00
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so in the 11/12 season not one of Hoopers goals was scored with his back to goal....is that really the type of player we need? Honestly there used to be a club here..... Tottenham Property Developers...our focus is building, not football, not improving the squad, not trying to qualify for the CL but building.....
shedboy2
22/01/2013 19:48:00
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I would judge the managers judgement on a player but I'm still not sure that signing players have anything to do with the manager. More like our chief scout Daniel Levy. Then I'm guessing giving him to the manager and told turn him into gold for me to sell on.
nothappyharry
22/01/2013 19:48:00
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Yep, have we tried for llorente? Anyone making comparisons to larson should o look up his goal scoring record which is a much better 0.78 when the Scottish league was at a higher standard
spurticus87
22/01/2013 19:50:00
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That Wanyama to be fair looks a very good player, very raw but an absolute man mountain who excelled against Barcelona.
HuddersfieldYiddo
22/01/2013 19:52:00
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Lord johny you are pompous, but you do make me smile ;)
spurticus87
22/01/2013 19:53:00
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Spurticus87, this is what drives me crazy with people's misconceptions. The SPL is not crap. I think the average talent there is very similar to the Belgian, Dutch and Portuguese Leagues. There are more "stars" in those leagues perhaps, but the average level of play is about the same. I believe the top SPL teams could compete and remain in the PL. They'd be lower table, but they would not be relegated as a matter of fact. You suggest Kenwyne Jones. He managed once to get 14 goals in the Championship. Well, what do you know? A much younger Hooper managed 19 in that very same League. The only thing Kenwyne Jones has shown is that he has never been as prolific as was expected and he is cheaper, though would be more on salary so you lose what you gain. Hooper or Kenwyne Jones for me is obvious. Hooper every time. COYS
peterballb
22/01/2013 19:54:00
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