Writer: OxfordSpur 
Date:Wednesday January 23 2013
Time: 9:21AM
Turn-over down 12% and a £4.3m loss on the financial year ending both of June 2012, is hardly positive news, however Tottenham still need to be positive in their ambitions to retain their challenge for the top four and beyond.
I suppose it puts to bed talk from many of us that we have generated big money from sales compared with buying in players, as clearly that money balanced the books as a whole and with additional and exceptional expenses of the new training complex and stadium development preparations, you imagine that already those costs are weighing heavily on the clubs balance sheet and you imagine that once there is a structured funding and sponsorship deals, such as naming rights etc, Mr Levy will sleep more soundly in his bed and hopefully the greater certainty and perhaps structure of spending will make buying and selling players a little easier.
Despite Spurs selling big with Modric, VdV and a few others, we have also bought more and in reality the sums for ins compared with outs, probably don't differ greatly, so talk from fans about still having the Modric money, is false, whilst any accumulated wealth from previous windows has already be spent on running the club. We perhaps also might consider that we have probably looked to pay the likes of Gareth Bale more, but are still looking comfortable with regards to maintaining sensible wages compared with turn-over, so Financial fair play seems not to be a worry.
It does of course re-emphasis the need to keep trimming the squad of unwanted players, which in turn allows for development of youth by freeing up space and I feel the policy of bringing through the likes of Caulker, Townsend and several more, will continue and though the need for a striker is still evident, I still maintain that it might be at the cost of either Defoe or Adebayor in the summer and not in bringing in a third senior player, as perhaps Harry Kane will be asked to share the 3rd choice position with Clint Dempsey. Clever spending and continued adding of versatile and young players is something I believe will continue and was also part of the reasoning why the club appointed a manager who embraces development and look for the tomorrow as opposed to the today.
Clearly any club or business wants to see big profits and bulging bank balances, however it seems clear that Spurs are heading in the right direction, building for the long term, but only continued strong house-keeping and clever buying and selling of players will allow us to keep pace with those clubs around us, who lets not forget, all of them make massively more revenue that we can even dream of and regaining a CL place next season and progressing with the new stadium are more important than ever, if we are to maintain even our current levels of success...
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We have to be patient for success.
We do need to trim the squad asap so as we all know the likes of JJ, Gomes, Bentley need to be off the payroll asap. Still make huge loses over them and I expect Ade to go and a younger fresher more committed striker to be brought in in Summer one that will cost less. My question would be if we could make one purchase what position would that be? Striker or Creative Midfielder or Winger?
We are obviously not going to make a £30m signing this window but id like to see some like Son to come in, not too pricy but may push us just enough to stay in touch with 3rd. The figures that were announced were not unexpected, im pretty sure Levy had it memorised down to a few pence, these Guys aren’t stupid. A good run in the Europe league and FA cup wouldn’t help the balance sheet either, but we need to make sure we have the necessary tools to compete on three fronts. Think AVB has managed it very well so far.
Lets not forget that the man has a first class honours degree from Cambridge University in "Land Economy".
So i am guessing we should have some trust in him when it comes to the infrastructure of the new stadium plans and what it could potentially bring to the club and its future..
When u reach the financial heights that he and Lewis have, you would want to make your beloved Spurs even better...
It is like a big train set for them.... they can play until its time to cash in... As maybe you would...
Couldn't agree more & spent pretty much all of yesterday moaning about it. This little post alone as taken me almost 5 minutes to actually type to completion!!!
The downside for me is the loss we made. In my mind it should have been a £10m profit if it hadn't been for really bad management of the squad by Levy and Harry. We haemorrhaged money on salaries of players who clearly weren't having a single material impact to the 1st team setup and started both of the last 2 summers with 35 senior players. A lot of us called it over and over and Levy finally took drastic action last summer by removing 13 players to be replaced by 6.
Generally though we are in great shape. We should remember that even if we could have returned a £10m profit Levy would have managed it to close to zero by June 30 like he did last year. That's the great thing about the financial year end being in the middle of the sumer transfer window. You can manipulate how you want your balance sheet to finish by your incomings and outgoings.
Finally, this to me doesn't mean we can't spend £20m on a new player as they are intangible assets anyway and get amortised over the life of their contract. We can sustain that level of cost. It implies more that we'll probably be looking at a younger player on a long contract with a resale value to manage the risks and make the finances work. The critical thing is that we keep our biggest expense line (players salaries) under control under AVB. Use the loan system for the under 23's. If you can't get in the 25 after that then tough, we need to move them on. That is a completely different approach from Harry's time at Spurs where we lost it for a while as shown by the loss reported yesterday.
Its going to be interesting to see how Chelsea and city finances shape up now that they are out of the CL and assuming neither of them win the League! How are they possibly going to meet the financial fair play rules that come into force? I think Levy has done a great Job by bringing that issue up when releasing the year end figures as well.
TH - No worries brother :) COYS
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/lewis-holtby-cannot-wait-to-join-andre-villasboas-at-spurs-8462910.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1294314/Harry-Redknapp-hails-Tottenhams-new-45million-training-base.html
As to the numbers, why are they not believable? Because we want them to be different? Wanting to have a surplus of transfer funds is all well and good but the numbers for this year (I use Transfermarkt - use whatever source you wish) would seem to indicate that we have spent what we have brought in. So there is no gain there. No money under the mattress. From 2009-2010 to 2010-2011, our wage bill went from 67M to 91M. I can only presume that it has again gone up substantially. Walker and Bale got new deals. Sigurdsson, Dembele, Demsey, Ade, Lloris are not on budget wages whereas Modric, due to refusing to redo his contract, was. What we all want is for the club to spend. I am all for that. It just has to be costed somewhere. You can't, as a club, argue that the FFPR must be adhered to, if you are not willing to play by the rules. FFPR are what will save teams from doing a Leeds (buying and paying based on best case scenario revenues if they got CL, whic they did not) or a Glasgow Rangers (complete shambles but salvagable, sold to a man who stripped the club and then stated wasn't me) or Valencia (start construction of a stadium that you can't afford so that you can compete but that you can't complete because there is no more money). There are huge perils out there. Several EPL clubs have already gambled for the increased TV money next year. If they get relegated, they are all going to be bleeding money. How is that serving the best intersts of the club or the fans? Someone needs to be the adult. Levy does a good job of being the adult. COYS
The only thing I have a problem with is the dilly dallying when we need to act on a situation. For example, there are plenty of very good forwards out there who are within our means both in terms of initial outlay and who fit within our wage structure. You yourself have named more than a few over the last few weeks. It just always seems like such a mammoth task to get the basics done. I know it’s never as easy as it seems, but although other clubs leave it late, no other club leaves it quite so “skin of the teeth” close as THFC.
Answer is the article
(2010-2011) Transfer revenue: 1.526.800 £ - Transfer expenditures: 22.968.000 £ = -21.441.200 £
(2011-2012)Transfer revenue: 34.408.000 £ - Transfer expenditures: 7.436.000 £ = +26.972.000 £
2012-Present Transfer revenue: 59.294.400 £ - Transfer expenditures: 62.920.000 £ = -3.625.600 £
An article from April 2011 (presumably based on the previous year's numbers, had Spurs as the 110th highest average salary in sport. 21 other football clubs, including West Ham, Pompey, Newcastle, Villa all had higher wage bills, along with the usual suspects Liverpool, Arsenal, ManU, Chelsea. City was still yet to start their ridiculous spending. Other than the big4 only Newcastle could be said to have relative health. In this article, our average salary was 45k US$ per week (assuming 25 players that would amount to 58,500,000 US$ or 40M GBP (approx). By 2010/11 our wage bill was 91M GBP. The wages are the difficult side to balance and when the wages are not in keeping with the real player value, you cannot move that player. That either results in a loss or in paying other players less money. COYS
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6354899
Spurticus87, just check out the figures on Transfermarkt, it is probably well explained there on the ins and the outs. It's a cool site in that it has a lot of contract and transfer info. Really cool is going back a decade or more and seeing how we, and other clubs, have got to where They are.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/premier-league/transferuebersicht/wettbewerb_GB1.html
There are lots of other sites out there. Enjoy. COYS
Yes, Arsenal got theirs done earlier. They had CL and more revenue and thus could afford more debt. We couldn't. Even Liverpool can't seem to get the shovels in the ground that they so desperately need. It's not just Spurs. It's happening all over the globe. COYS
So where's the danger? Danger is spending the money and not getting it. Leeds did it QPR are doing it, albeit, theirs is a PL survival gamble. Southampton look like they might be getting Coutinho out of the grips of Liverpool. They have a huge net spend. QPR, Villa and Southampton,if they go down together would be taking about 100M in net spend, not including wages. Can you imagine?
Every signing has inherent dangers. Who'd have thunk that Torres could suck that bad for that long? Not I. Never thought he was worth 50M, but he has been pants. I still believe getting Holtby in early is wise. I'd try the same with Sissokho. These are both can't lose propositions. I'd also get in there for Son. 8M for a player who culd be a marketing dream if we get CL and he succeeds. It also takes the pressure off the striker issue. Then if Negredo comes, awesome. If not, he went somewhere else who gave him more or that suited him better. He is being flogged. He will go somewhere. Willian is a tough one. I'd stump the 20M. I think that's too steep for Levy though. I also wonder if Townsend and Pritchard shouldn't be playing some. That said, if Levy stated that he had acquired Son, Willian, Negredo, Sissokho, Holtby and Fryers for 50M and sold Hudd and Gomes for 8M, loaned out Bentley, Townsend and Livermore for the rest of the season, I'd be tickled pink. Let the dust settle where it may in August. All of those players could be sold at a profit, if need be. It doesn't sound like Sandro will be ready for the start of next season. Parker is not getting any younger. The strikers have been terrible. All the guys I mention can play football. Defoe can't even find goals on an MRI. We need a striker. We need cover/options for Bale and Lennon. We need a string puller.
I believe all of the guys I mention would fit within our salary structure. Reality is that AVB may not want any of them. To me, Son, is a no-brainer. Sissokho too. Willian I get the trepidation. I remain convinced that it is down to the player where Negredo will go, so, on that one, we wait.
Players must be ones AVB wants and they must fit within the team plans and salary structure. COYS
In 2007, Spurs were worth less than that and did not have Europe, let alone CL. There were not the resources available to float the huge loans that would be needed. Now we are a fixture in Europe, we are on the cusp of the top 4 and compete well in the league. Our club, at last Forbes, was worth 564M and the project cost is, as I understand it, under 450M. So, it's no longer a smoke and mirrors show. We can, and will be able to service the debt while competing. Even at 20 GBP a seat, those lost 5k seats represents 100k per game night. Thats a huge chunk of change to give up with nothing coming back. Spurs waiting list is 32k. As I said, we are going ahead as partners and that's in everyone's best interests. Yes, it took time to get the deal done the way Levy and ENIC wanted, but that's what he does and it's why we are where we are. COYS