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The blame game!

Football is no longer about eleven men against another eleven, because if you lose it is never a boy the quality of an opposition, but the failings of your own team.

In fairness, yesterday, I suppose many fans will have a point in directing anger at certain players and errors at Elland Road, and If I am honest, there weren't too many individuals that could really be marked down as playing to their usual standard, let alone stepping up their games, when the opposition looked really up for the fight. Can we blame a collective apathy, bad day at the office or a simple lack of quality in key areas? I will leave that to you to decide in your own blame game.

Clearly for me, we defended naively for both Leeds goals and if I am honest, neither Caulker or Vertonghen played well and were guilty for a goal each in my opinion. Can we accept that Caulker is fully entitled to an occasional error at this stage in his development, whilst do we expect more that he is ready to give from Vertonghen, in suggesting that he is the defensive leader and at the moment, we still need one of Gallas or Dawson alongside him to marshall our back line?

Also I believe we missed Kyle Walkers rampaging runs on the right side. Sure he has been caught out far too often this season, but is that what we should expect at his stage of development and also when we demand the attacking penetration so often? Staying with the defensive unit, I was pleased to see Brad Friedel make some very good saves, which perhaps kept the score-line respectable, however is there still a fact that his style of keeping contributes to an uncertainty in our defending? Players all too easily get complacent and how often has Lloris mopped up and played the sweeper role behind the back line? In fairness he probably couldn't have done a thing about either goal, but does his way of defending make our players a little complacent with an over the top or through ball?

In midfield, I felt it was a real battle of the brave, Leeds closed down superbly and also got the run of the game from a very lenient set of officials. I felt that Michael Brown could probably have picked up a handful of yellow cards in the game, but though, Parker in particular battled manfully, I did feel that we lacked that killer ball with Scott and Tom, whilst Bale and Lennon, also struggled to put their stamp on the game and perhaps tried too hard to be individually brilliant, as opposed to looking at the better team option. I still have sympathy for Sigurdsson, as I feel he is still looking to find his feet and position that really suits him in the team. He is still playing too high for me and looks better facing goal and playing 20 yards deeper from a starting position, but in that case who makes way? is this a confidence or quality issue or are we missing a trick tactically?

Losing both of Adebayor and Defoe was a worst case scenario, however if we hopefully only lose both for one game, then I am glad it was for this one. Fingers crossed that Jermain if fit and firing for Norwich. Talk that Dempsey can happily step into the main striking role would appear to be backed up by stats of five goals in five games, and 23 last season for Fulham, but for me, he is so much more effective playing from deep, where he ghosts in like Teddy Sheringham making himself so hard to mark, whilst also creative more for others. Sure he can do the No9 role, but he remains a little uncomfortable for me and certainly less effective. 'Another striker please!', I hear you all cry...

For someone that was brought up in an era when FA Cup final day was the biggest occasion on the football calendar, and everyone made it a whole day experience, I still find is sad that I don't feel greater hurt or anger at our elimination yesterday. Is this just my maturing and calmer outlook on life or a clear indication that domestic cup football doesn't have the same attraction for anyone in the game. We know that teams rested players with the consideration of the mid-week Prem games, and that indicates where the priorities lie. Could the governing bodies re-look at the fixtures, if they are to see the best out of what was once the biggest and best domestic cup competition in the world? I bet we would have seen stronger Spurs, Norwich, Liverpool, Chelsea and QPR teams this weekend, but then again I might be just looking for someone or something to blame, as my team yet again miss out of silverware...

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Writer: OxfordSpur

Date:Monday January 28 2013

Time: 9:15AM

Your Comments

The whole team was Crap. this Leeds team was trashed by Chelsea on their own back yard.

papsy

Absolutely gutted this morning. There is a bitter taste in my mouth and I can’t help but think we just chucked the FA cup… The problem for me is I preferred we had put a stronger team out against Leeds (which I felt we didn’t, as was able too) and I pretty much am sure that come the EL, we will. It’s my bad for not rating the EL as much as other competitions, I understand you need priorities with all the games in one year, but I’m really disappointed this morning. I hope the team is too. What doesn’t help is coming and reading posts claiming Levy is a spoiled bratt who hasn't backed AVB?? Clearly he has with all the signings in summer, plus a few in January (window still open) and dare I say it a few more next year. AVB has only been here five minutes and has my backing, but sometimes we need to take a look at his decisions and also individual players putting in a shift. I agree with the article calling for a bit more creative but we do have a talented side, any one we add to this team should be a bonus really, someone to add something else and can help with rotation in areas. I think we have missed a real opportunity to progress in that comp and a chance for silver ware. We will probably regret this game, and I hope AVB admits his cockups and highlights areas for players to improve. COYS.

SpursOne2

No blame just a poor day a the office. Defending was the poorest I think ive seen this season. Looking froward to better things and an imminent stricer signing please Mr Levy

Mickeys1969

would help if our midfielder actually tried putting our strikers in on goal, rather than taking a miriad of off-target shots on goal from 30 yards out. Sandro and Bale have been terrible culprits for this, highligted by the fact that Bale only has 1 prem assist this season. shocking for a winger his quality. It is ironic that the two "spice boys" Lennon and Defoe combining have baled us out numerous times.

Spurfect11

i'd also say that if Caulker had played as poor as Vertonghen did today (which Vertoghen was truly awful), then many would be calling for Caulker not to be played again. Very unfair in my opinion, and Freidal clearly has the backline unsettled.

Spurfect11

Out of the cup... concentrate on Europa and more so the PL......

COYS

Yidmarks

I still can't see how Dawson marshals a back four. He's the one that Gallas or previously, King, spend the whole game telling him what to do. The biggest challenge is actually keeping him alongside you at centre half as he keeps following his man out and leaving holes. Van Persie even took him to our right wing at one stage last week.

Saying all that, it's becoming a bit of a challenge at centre half. Too much swapping and no partnership ever settling down. AVB now has to pick one of Gallas, Dawson or Caulker and put them alongside Vertonghen in the league for an extended period. With Ekotto back he also needs to pick one of Walker or Naughton and let them get settled.

muttley

I’ve just heard the AVB interview from yesterday, what an absolute joke. If he id srious about what he is saying then I wonder if he really is the future. Again backing up his statement that we don’t need a striker, what a phicking idiot. If he is serious he is just Levy’s yes man. Any man with eyes can see the problem, is he that phucking stupid. Really really pi$$ed me off that has. Says he happy with our options and will take the risk!!?? What a phucking idiot!!! I thonk AVB has doen a cracking job but this utter bull $hit isnt flying with me. Phucking disgrace

hudderspur

I think Lloris was a big miss yesterday, having Brad in goal puts the defence in two minds which is understandable, I think we should be looking for a back up keeper that plays the same way as Lloris. Hopefully that will be sorted in the summer. Caulker was at fault and it seems he isn't playing well with Vertonghen but that's a partnership which needs games together and given time will flourish. The striker situation is worrying and I don't see why we can't at least get someone in on loan who won't kick up a fuss if Defoe or Ade play but will be ready to prove themselves. Dempsey should never play up top again, I'd rather give Bale a go and play Dempsey behind if needed.

Jantheman

Blame !....well for the leeds defeat.....my criticism is aimed at AVB and Freund...for sitting on their arses !...for too long. Mr. Levy...for not sorting the striking options out better. For me, i'd like to see spurs go 3 /5 / 2....for a couple of games....to test the water.(plus keep Bale on the left). I.e..vs Norwich.... ........................O'Bika......dempsey.................. ..................................................................... Bale........dembele.....parker....lennon.......walker ..................................................................... ..........vertonghen......caulker......dawson.......... .................................................................... ...............................lloris.............................. Subs:friedel,naughton,ekotto,livermore,mason, siggurdsen,townsend.

82spursdebut

do you guys really not understand how it works!?!?! If AVB came out saying 'yes we desperately need a striker' then the ball would be firmly in any potential sellers court and they hold the negotiating high ground as they know we badly need what they have, meaning we wouldn't be able to get a good deal anywhere!!! neither AVB nor Levy are stupid, they know what they are doing, whether you agree with it or not. Personally I think AVB sent obika on as a subtle message to Levy as to the crisis we are in regarding strikers atm, its obvious obika isn't up to standard and I believe he may well have been making a point, only he knows. If he got publicly *****y to the press about it how would that do any good whatsoever!? use your heads.

wiltshirespur

Friedel needs to go. Not because it was his fault, or because he is 41 years old, but because as someone addressed, the had the backline completely unsettled and this will never change. He is a completely different type of keeper to Lloris, so the backline need to play a completely different style of play when defending in front of Friedel. You cannot expect them to do this, and then couple that with Def's who have never / hardly ever play together it's not surprising. Sorry Brad, but you are a problem and the solution is a back up keeper in a similar vein to Lloris rather than an opposite approach

Cape Town Spurs

seems we're on the same post there jantheman!

Cape Town Spurs

Hudderspur do you not think he might of been told to say that? or that he might be keeping his cards close to his chest? because your right that if he actually believes that then he's a mug but as I said above surely there must be someone we can get on loan if we don't have much to spend.

Jantheman

I believe that most of the points mentioned fall under the responsibility of the (well paid) manager. Repeatedly following a tactic that demands to defend high while most of the players used lack pace and ability to read the game, isn't intelligent at all to me. Intelligent is a manager who is flexible with the tactics used and also capable to motivate his players and create a winning mentality inside and outside the dressing room. A manager who can follow tactics that suit the skills and abilities of the players used/are available and can get results. The joke is that AVB insists (or he is been told to say so) that we don't need another (clinical or RVP type) striker!

Ioan X

if we don't get another striker in then i think we all know that it's a joke. either avb is an idiot, which I doubt, or levy is a liar, which i find far more believable

Cape Town Spurs

Great minds Cape Town.

Jantheman

Wilshire spur – Of course we understand that!! But there’s only so long you can say that for. The fact is the people who keep the club going (THE FANS) need to know what the phuck is happening!! At first I thought he was just playing it cool, but as the Gary phuckin hooper rumours continue im seeing it for what it really is. Just another cheapy cheap patch up job. Losing all phucking patience with this mob now. If some of the spurs faithful; are happy just to watch the club plod along then be my guest, but there’s a hell of lot more fans like me who are just sick to death of the same bull $hit excuses year after year. It’s the fans who keep the club alive; I think the board need to phuckin remember that!!!!!!!

hudderspur

Credit must be given for Leeds as they planned to play with the resources they had available and really stuck to their master plan. We all should show some grace at defeat. That does not mean we are not allowed to point our fingers to some "self-evident" weaknesses Spurs have been displaying for the last 2 and half seasons. We all know that and the lack of a prolific striker is the most noticeable of all. However, I´d like to look at the backstage today. I am reading this morning that Defoe was not rested for the match but kept away by a pelvic injury. Also in the midia news that Schalke manager is in London to negotiate an "immediate" Holtby´s transfer. Today is 28th of january and Spurs have failed to bring in anyone that could make a real impact in the 2nd half of the season. really fail to understand our business plan for such moments. I am not talking about splashing money we do not have and increase debt to buy our CL spot. It is naive to think that there are not good players at a decent price in this planet. Swansea showed anyone interested that decent strikers needn´t be valualed at zillions of dollars. Last week, the club released their financial results which turned out to be a loss of 4.3 million pounds because, mainly, of lac of CL footbsall. Does it make sense not to spend 1,6 million pounds on a playmaker we already signed in oirder to try to prevent a loss of 4,3 MM ?? I respect Levy´s financial brain by keeping THFC afloat but sometimes I think he needs a footalling counterpart to prevent him to become an ordinary "beam counter". If Defoe injury news are sound, with Adebayor playing for Togo and Dempsey clearly not a striker, AVB`s statement that we don´t need reinforcements has to b taken either as madness and utter lack of profesional responsibility or just a smoke screen to hide a signing we will be show this week. Hope for the latter.

AlexSpur

Hudderspur, the board (ENIC) are going to keep spoon feeding us BS until they've milked as much profit from the club as possible after which they won't give a damn and Levy will no longer be a Spurs supporter! The fact is that the money they will get for developing housing on the old training site pays for the new site with profit on top. The money they get from selling our best players and replacing with average / okay players just disappears and the Northumberland project is again about profit from real estate and not about THFC. We will not see a bean of this. It'll be whisked away to a numbered account in the Bahamas.

Cape Town Spurs

How can people come on here after to losing to phuckin Leeds united and pretend everything’s fine!! Where the phuck is you’re self respect!! We got outplayed, they weren’t lucky. Typical phcking spurs fans, blame everything else but don’t see the real picture. Its no wonder why other fans laugh at us with some of the $hit people come out with on here. All the talk of aiming fort 3rd etc…wake the phuck up. We are the ones in a false position, and the board YET AGAIN don’t want to do anything about it….phuck it I cant even be arsed talking about it anymore. Bet the majority on here will think a 1-1- draw against Norwich is a good result. Phuckin joke!!!!

hudderspur

Ioan is right that the high line is a problem. AVB is no idiot. The discrepency is that we could continue with no more signings and get 4th....as we are 4th now and have been all season. No one is lying either. Most people on this site have been a) gagging for a tasty striker signing for ages now and b) believe that a striker would help ensure 4th. I personally would like a striker just as an option to start or on bench when things aren't working up front... Either that or we will be seeing Obika missing more chances....

TonyRich

Folks this game was all down to the players. NOT AVB, NOT Levy. The players. Every player we put out there was what you or anyone would consider a PL player. Fact is they just didn't come to play. Kudos to AVB who saw it early and made changes earlier than he has ever done in the second half. We saw a slight improvement but still no real fight. That's a major problem this team has had since Jol, no cojones. They don't consistently FIGHT to win. They're nicely, nicely players afraid to get blood on their shirts and until we weed out the girls in the team it's always going to be like that. BTW Obika was the only player not a first team "regular".

jvd

Also it needs to be said.... Well done Leeds!

jvd

THFC is all about the real estate -- football is just a ruse -- ENIC only give a damn because of real estate and Levy is imo a major deceptor and BS artist of note. everyone goes on about how well he runs the club, and yes he does, but that is not because he gives a toos about the club, that's because he has a plan for how to maximize the profit for him & Suntan Joe

Cape Town Spurs

Hudderspur your spot on I was thinking of ringing up talksport but I might have got thrown of for swearing on air. The only reason he could be saying that is that they are gonna buy someone but they don't want the players price to increase by saying we are in need of a striker. As for yesterday they wanted it more and thats the FA cup. COYS

Yido T

AVB is saying what he's being told to say. Don't forget that Levy is his boss. How many on here would publicly criticise or go against a direct instruction from their boss? Not many I would guess. Levy has probably told him to stick to the script with the promise of a 'last-minute-levy' striker signing happening in the last hour of the window. What AVB doesn't know is that we've heard it all before from Levy. No doubt, we'll unfortunately just miss out on that world class striker at the last second and we'll be left in a mess YET AGAIN! AVB will learn soon enough and then we'll probably be looking for another manager as well as a striker, creative midfielder etc. Same old nonsense.

SpuriousLife

Hudders - whilst you are right to say that losing was far from perfect, but who knocked out Arsenal from League cup? Man u commonly get knocked out by minnows and just get on with it. It happens. You say that we were outplayed, well we have often been outplayed this season and did not impress in europa either. New manager with less experience still getting used to English football... I am more concerned with league...the bread and butter. Get that right and cups will get better.

TonyRich

By the way, I think football players do not care about FA Cup these days. It is a sad logic but if any tournement does not bring them more spotlight time and midia exposure the way PL and CL do, they just don´t put their hearts and souls on it. Apart from Parker who was fighting for every square inch of pitch, I don´t remember any other single Spur player being at the same level of commitment yesterday. And it was at Leeds. I wonder if players look at small stadia like Bradford´s, Brentford´s or Oldham Athletic´s and don´t start whispering "What the hell am I doing here ?? I belong to big stages..." .

AlexSpur

Jvd....your wrong chap...this defeat was down to AVB and Freund....they didn't get off their back sides till we were 2-0 down. That, imo, was unacceptable....on the evidence of the match. AVB...should be on the touchline....from the start.....like warnock....or Tony Pulis..(who i rate).

82spursdebut

Cape Town- ENIC bought VDV and Modric. They sold them at a profit and reinvested all of it. That is an increase in spending on players. You say inferior players, but Modric was not that great when he first joined he? Real Madrid fans would argue - wrongly - that he isn't great now. There is no BS we know all the long that they want sell, but their aim is to leave us more profitable than when they got here...which they are going a great job at.

TonyRich

82Spurs - bad examples. I like Pulis but he is struggling right now. Warnock I simply cannot stand... Spurs this season are fine when we take lead. Go a goal down, and we have limited impact from the bench.

TonyRich

Yesterday was a collectivbe brain fart....Brad in goal...not a problem for this game but you must understand he won't come off his line.....so play high line....shouldn't be too much of a problem as the back 4 are quick....but Verts and Caulker couldn't decide who was playing deeper and as such we got caught flat too many times....it was the 1st time AVB played Caulker at RCB....first goal Naughton got caught out, caulker as the cover was too high....second goal Verts (playing his worse game) got caught out Caulker as the cover was too high....Brad was never going to come rushing off his line....collective shambles.

shedboy2

So then we need goal....put Demebele and Parker together, those two should score a load, shouldn't they? And as for strikers...oops where did we leave them, look down the back of the sofa and see if defoe is there....

shedboy2

You know 82, it's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. When he was at Chelsea the guy almost never lever left the sideline, he even squatted on the sideline! He got a lot of ***** for that. So now he's not on the sideline enough. Wow! Stop blaming the coaches for the players lack of fight. They're professionals. They get paid to be up for the game. AVB made the changes that were needed when he could. If he had done it earlier it would have been seen as reprimanding pros and they don't like that and it creates a bad dressing room. You guys seem to think this is a very simple situation, managing 25 egos today. It definitely is not. Running of to work now but I'll read more later.

jvd

Spurious – If my boss what constantly blowing wind up my arse then yeah I would say something. Im very sure that when AVB took the job transfer funds etc were discussed. Considering that almost singed Moutinho for £22m funds are available. So either that deal was a myth, or suddenly the funds have been taken away, it doesn’t really matter which is the case as the result is the same. The striker issue would have been discussed before AVB was appointed, 100% sure of that. If you were going to a new company in a managerial role but the department was vastly understaffed, you would bloody highlight it in your interview, no difference. I Think its another case of levy moving the goalposts.

hudderspur

so refreshing to take the cups seriously this year isn't it?

shedboy2

Tony Pulis...is perfectly fine.............My point is that AVB..and co' are not tactical genius's....are far too dour and that portrays to the pitch. They set the tone....for this game, by just sitting there, no emotion........terrible. The min' dempsey crapped that cross shot..nothing.....well AVB should have been up on his feet. Nope....AVB..hasn't got enough grey hairs for my liking....(too young). Spurs "Had" a talented squad.....now, i feel ..avb is wasteing them. Only thing i will agree on.....is we need at least one striker..prob' two....(h'm' son..negredo..imo)....but even avb recently said, we could cope...............he be a fool.

82spursdebut

No one could have predicted we would need a striker to score goals, c'mon guy's you're just all being silly...;)

shedboy2

There's some funny over-reacting on here today. Bring back Harry!

micyid

CapeTown, you have said it all mate, which is exactly what I and others such as Frank have been saying for the last several seasons. I didn'r see the game yesterday except for the "hi-lights" but it was obvious from the team selection that we would struggle. Hudd, Sigurdsson and no goal-scorer to me meant that we were going to be ineffective at best. I don't comment much anymore because it is obvious to anyone with a brain that Levy and ENIC have a property investment agenda while us fans have a football agenda, but are powerless to affect anything. The point about the sale of the old training ground for housing development, if true, would explain why so many resources were diverted towards that project rather than the squad. It makes me laugh when people buy the £4.3m "loss" BS...and people thought Harry was a crook! Sad to say I now expect nothing but more of the same from Levy but hope that AVB can deliver something special in spite of the bald-headed supremo.

Harry-Kari

Tony you keep banning on with the same argument that the funds were reinvested. No they weren’t!!! We made a profit of over £10m on transfers last summer. We bought players half the quality of what we sold. For the last 4 years we have made profit on transfers. That is not investing in a company. I could phuckin run spurs if that was the case. Sell a player for £20, and buy two for £15m it costs me phuck all. Orry mate but they have the wool pull firmly over your eyes. Do you honestly care how the balance sheet looks? When other teams around us are trophies and playing in the Nou camp we can smugly sit back with a grin and say “yeah but we made a profit last year”!!!!!! The only people who need to care about that are the ones who are keeping the money, do THFC send you a cheque when the sell a player?? Far too many righteous people who kid themselves, we want to see good football, not pretty financial figures. We are very very stable, we aren’t going to go bust, far from it. So invest in the phucking team!!

hudderspur

Jvd....yep..avb crouched / squatted...etc....totally ridiculous....but doesn't excuse him stting in his dugout..comfy like. He should be on the touchline....giving his all. He should also have a eye in the sky.....i.e....extra...man watching from high up in the stands......all help should be helpfull. yes....managing ego's is difficult....hence...you need respected experience....like..a Bobby Robson figure (rip). Or if you want a young coach...try a experienced prem' english football coach...like moyes or pulis.....Passion !!!!...lol

82spursdebut

hudderspur - The fans DONT keep the club going at all, SKY do. All we do is support the team, sing and dance. Our money at the turn-style is a mere pittance to what TV revenue brings in. Don be deluded to think US fans are the money behind the club.

yiddyboy

I think jvd makes some good points here.

tophobunty

hudderspur - What you are saying makes sense, of course us fans want to better players and more trophies. However, how would you feel if I said "hudderspur, why don't you send me £500 direct in my bank account?" After all, who cares if you go overdrawn or not???

yiddyboy

ok, so ENIC & Levy are pure evil and are holding us back from glory. So they do as you wish and leave/sell. Then what?? Who will buy us in this financial climate?? Who will buy us and not treat the club like a business?? Who will buy us and spend endless amounts of cash just to appease supporters like Frank?? Yes, i would love us to sign a striker and/or a star player to really go for 4th in this window, rather than do nothing and hope for 4th. But I am not going to pretend i know how to run a club better than Levy and nor should any of you. Football is a business these days, its killing football, but it is the reality. So some people really need to wake up. The fault is not ENIC the fault is Football.

jimmy-yid

Top'..well if your happy with 12 goals in the last 8 prem' games...and being knocked out by that poor leeds side........we scored one goal !!!!..lol My son...almost 12......playing footy with me ..after this defeat....was shooting, saying "Podolski"...and he be a spurs fan !!!!!......says it all for me..!!!...lol..lol

82spursdebut

MR LEWIS... STOP LOOKING AT YOUR MULTI-MILLION POUND ART COLLECTION ON YOUR 50 MILLION POUND BOAT..

AND THROW A FEW PENNIES AT YOUR BELOVED CLUB....

STRIKER IS A MUST,,,, I THINK AVB IS THROWING US A SMOKE SCREEN... LETS HOPE THAT TRUE BEFORE THE 31ST...

Yidmarks

yiddyboy- who do you think buy the Sky subsrciptions? why do pubs show footy?...the answer is because FANS will buy sky to watch footy, FANS will go and buy drinks at the pub to watch footy, Fans buy papaers to read about footy etc etc....the fans are the lifblood of football and the more successful you are on the pitch the more fans you will attract....

shedboy2

Hudderspur - SPOT ON AGAIN! According to some they reckon we'll be able to fill a 56,000 seater stadium week-in-week-out at £50 a seat whilst putting a load of dross on the pitch and limiting our ambition to not getting relegated from the PL and maybe reaching the final of the FA or League Cup once every 25 years or so. Like ENIC they think success and competitiveness on the pitch are irrelevant. I don't know why they support a football team at all. They'd be better off reading Accountancy Age at 3pm every Saturday instead.

SpuriousLife

Yiddyboy - that is a daft analogy. Hudderspur has no link to you so why should he send you money? However, if he had commited to support you and invest in you to improve your position and then refused to send you £500 what would you say? That is a far more accurate analogy.

SpuriousLife

Yiddyboy - what the hell are you on about? Firstly, Sky might pay the bills but how long do you think a club would last without any fans? Secondly, the money is there. Pleaes pleaes please do not buy into the fact that little old Tottenham are strapped for cash. We are amongst the richest clubs in the world, supposedly "backed" by a billionaire investor. Once again, i am not saying go out and spend £150m on players FFS, just buy a quality striker like we have needed for the last 4 years. Siggurdson is utterly garbage, dempsey once again missed a near open goal (ok he scored but still missed one a minute earlier), Defoe hasn’t scored in almost ten phucking games!!!! Helo, common sense, are you there, heeeellllooooo....

hudderspur

Collectively, our attitude was poor compared to Leeds fight. Caulker and Vertonghen are fantastic players, but agree, both were unusually very poor yesterday - it happens & I rate both highly, so am relaxed that such defending was a one off. However, breaking teams down (especially without Dembele) IS a REAL pROBLEM, as is SCORING goals. Hence, I take you back to the Summer Mr Levy, when your man, AVB clearly wanted two players (Moutinho & Willian) who may have resolved such issues. I can only assume he still does, so over to you Mr Levy. p.s. Hudd is also not the quality level we need and is one to sell (as AVB tried to in Summer). Chin Up, COYS.

Windlespur

Do some on here really want AVB to come out and say:.....................' well clearly Ade is a lazy & unproductive player who is now at ANC, Defoe is injured and so yes, we are absolutely desperate to secure a Striker before Thursday night. Hopefully the owners of the players we have in mind will not us this desperation to screw us on price & force me into a free SAha signing, but we will see'. Hoping & praying its a smokescreen & also hoping the likes of Jenas, Bentley, Hudd, Gomes are found clubs in next day or so. Optimistic, I know.

Windlespur

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/schalke-confirm-sunday-night-tottenham-negotiations-to-finalise-e

coopsieyid

shedboy2 - I hear you but you don't subscribe to SKY for Spurs, you don't buy a Spurs newspaper. You don't even have to buy any of it and certainly Lewis and Levy are not holding a gun to your head to make to buy it. You like the rest of us CHOOSE to spend our money on media. Likewise Lewis CHOOSES when and when not to spend his money!

yiddyboy

Wind'...i'm seriously doubting...we will sign a Top quality striker before the deadline. BUT....i'm hopeing...after a dour draw vs Norwich...that Mr. Levy..has a Panic attack thursday and Does something extraordinary, for him......i.e...spends £20 mill'..in one day...on Football !!!....lol

82spursdebut

exactly windlespur, only harry though it a good idea to keep the media informed of his every thought and move, the fact remains that we have absolutely no idea what is going on behind the scenes

Guernman

Windle - No, AVB isnt going to say that, but is he just going to continue to say we are fine?? Because a one eyed mule could see we need a striker, and so can every other chairman in football. If i were the manager of spurs i would be openly saying we need a striker, it may uplift the price but it is a clear statment that im niot happy with the performnace. We average 15-20 shots per game, with 8-10 on target, but rarley score more than 2 goals. I am th only one that see's a problem? The other prblem is we have a squad of 25 plyers but lets b honest, 10 of them are just no where near good enough for spurs. I dont understand why AVB is getting slated for his "tactics", he can only work woth what hes got, if the players underpeform how is that his fault.

hudderspur

SpuriousLife - The analogy was to highlight the fact the we DON'T have to pay into Spurs. I'm with the majority that we need a top striker but I've also been banging on for years about Defoe not good enough yet some people keep defending him. It's all if's and but's, IF Dempsey and/or Ade was sitting on 15 goals each this season we'd all be sitting here not mentioning a new striker.

IF we buy Damaio and he's crap everyone come January next year will be demanding a world class striker, etc, etc...

What was the opinion of the majority of fans when we signed Rebrov or Bentley? Honest answer only!!

yiddyboy

how many more results like Leeds and QPR do we need to make a case for a 20 goal a season striker? If Defoe hits a winner at Norwich on Wednesday do we assume that this discussion will be swept under the carpet again or does Daniel Levy want us to start the January slide and not qualify for CL next season before he does something? CL revenue = money for a striker....but one cant come before the other, get us a striker that can keep us in the top 4 and that way he will have paid for himself..if we still dont get in the CL at the end of the season then at least we have a striker! or is life not that simple anymore?

OyVeh Maria

hudd'....i agree with the striking situation and what we are seeing (espec' last 8 prem' games and yesterday).........as for Avb...nope too young, too dour...not a tactical genius....lacks passion..it rubs off....not good !! BUT...all managers should be given one season.....and in my opinion...one year roll on contracts.

82spursdebut

hudd - of course you are not the only one who sees a problem. Where have you been the last four transfer windows & I can not see any benefit of AVB having an Arry type attitude in telling the world who we want, but yes, totally agree that I hope he agrees with us about needing a striker. See Shaktar have signed Taison, so maybe Willian is still an opportunity to unlock defenses in games like yesterday, Qpr etc etc.

Windlespur

Yiddy - If my auntie had balls.....the fact is ADE, Dempsy or Defoe havent been good enough (IMO they never were) so we need to act now. I must admit, i was all for signign ADE on a perm basis after last season, BUT knew we needed to sign another striker. The fact is, lets just be honest, we constatly go for the cheap option. Even my lass takes the pi$$ and calls us the budgie club......cheap cheap....

hudderspur

yiddyboy.....yes, i understand...but if Mr.Levy was to spend as we say.....and it fails. At least we can say..he and Avb tried.....and then blame the players. Imo...we started this season, at least two strikers short......Addy came..but no other. Surely.....a top manager should know 4 strikers in a 25 man squad is a absolute must, at the start of the season..............man.city / man.utd...and previously chelsea...never underestimated the english season.

82spursdebut

Harry makes me laugh, by the way i'm travelling all over Europe to look for players we are desperate, Harry's desperate for players Phuck it lets put a couple more million on top for that player they will pay it. Could never keep his gob shut. lol

Yido T

the notion that AVB is happy with the striker situation is clearly absolute bollox, of course he isn't and of course he has told the club as much. the question then remains why does he not complain about this to the media, well what is the point? harry did that because he always wanted to deflect blame, just as he is doing now, in his usual contradictory way highlighting how his QPR team were man for man much better than MK Dons before stating that he needs a lot of new players on the back of their defeat. thats fine if your only agenda is yourself. not so useful if you put club first. What about putting pressure on levy then ? but does it really put more pressure than AVB already is probably doing behind the scenes, isn't possible that absolutely everyone involved is trying to sort the striker situation out behind the scenes? it will not be easy, but spouting to the press does absolutely nothing for the situation other than provide AVB with a ready excuse when things go wrong and to make him appear to be the victim of an unambitious club. the fact is that AVB is damned site more classy than redknapp, he clearly wants to maintain a united front for the club and the squad and I am sure he is making his feelings clear where it matters. I, for one, prefer his approach

Guernman

Greg Stobart ‏@gstobart
Breaking News: Tottenham agree £1.5m Holtby fee with Schalke #THFC --> http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2013/01/28/3707025/tottenham-agree-15m-holtby-fee-with-schalke …

Greg Stobart ‏@gstobart
Holtby will sign a four-and-a-half year contract with the option of a one-year extension #THFC

coopsieyid

We lacked a leader in the defence....simple. All back four + Friedel, none of them have the leadership quality that we need. Gallas and Dawson DO tend to marshall and generally orgnanise the rear guard. The back four y'day was an ENTIRELY new look, never having played together with Friedel unsettling matters further.

The two problems that I observed were: 1) A usual very slow start by the team, taking too much for granted. Why, oh, why do we continue to do that?. We really need to start the games at full throttle and get an early goal. 2) There was just too much arrogance in the team, especially Bale. I know Ronaldo exhibits the same trait but he is still able to produce the goods. Bale really need to focus on his game rather than pretence/flambuoyance. Because as it stands, I doubt very much many teams will be looking to spend mega bucks on him.

The final thing that frustrated me just as much was AVB's post match interview. He admitted we started slow, but I don't recall him doing anything to rectify the situation in the first half and left it too late (until we were 2 down) to make a more radical tactical change. IMO, he should've been screaming for a change of attitude in the first half.

Anyway, water under the bridge and I would be satisfied if we can move on and demonstrate a mentality chage in the forthcoming fixtures. COYS!

Critical_Spur

Windle - I think Holtby is the alternative for Willian so i doubt we will see him in a spurs shirt mate. I don’t know what are scouts are doing TBH, one player who would perfect for spurs is Lorenzo Insigne at Napoli, plays as a striker but can operate as a left wing forward, 21 years old, Italian international. There also Ciro Immobile at Genoa, both would be available for less than 10m and would improve us. There’s another 100 strikers who we could reel off but nothing will happen.

hudderspur

critical spurs.....you hit the nail on the head...AVB...should have realised he had untried defence and been on his toes....if not right from the start.....at least not from 2-0 down. Oh well.......Holtby scores goals from midfield...let's hope that continues.

82spursdebut

hudderspur-spot on, post after post.are we still a big club? no not with enic and levy at the helm. We nearly got back to being one. so sad.

topspur53

BREAKING NEWS-schalke have accepted a bid for holty

ghulamville

Goal.com say Holtby has signed. £1.5million fee on a four and a half year deal with option of a further year...

Sebthespur

Holtby is done, now we need that striker and one more midfielder

tophobunty

As far as I am concerned there is no one player to blame for the first goal. BOTH defenders were equally at fault for it. If you noticed they both started to go for it but neither of them actually took control of the situation and so they both pul;led out expecting the other to go for it. This just goes to show that we have no natural leader on the field in the back at the moment, because a real leader would have called for the ball and committed to it not pulled away watching for someone else to do it. This is our main problem on the pitch, our lack of proper leadership during a game. AVB can only go so far in training etc but when it comes to the game it is down to the players to show they have the balls and someone HAS to show the qualities of a team leader otherwise we are totally scuppered. That is affecting our play far more than not having a recofnised top name striker. If it carries on like this we will start to lose confidence and belief, then we shall see yet another second half of the season collapse. Not because of fatigue or tiredness, but because we have no real leader on the pitch to take the game and the players by the scruff of the neck and push things on to where things need to be.

chrishove123

82 of cours I am not happy but I live in the real world, let chew thus one over Friday.

tophobunty

@spurfect11-you must of been watching a different game regarding your caulker/vertonghen comment,they both were bad but caulker was terrible he was partly at fault for both goals and constantly looks in a panic,i haven't been impressed with him at all this season,when he was at swansea i thought he could play a bit of football and people were comparing him to king,under a bit of pressure all he does is kick it into the sidelines i dont think king done that in his whole career.Dont think we will see kaboul again this season so for me caulker is our worst centre back and thank god we didnt sell dawson.

gsmith84

Can't believe people have picked holes in Obika who only really had one chance and it was great piece of defending that stopped him scoring. To get the ball and not get the player in that position was a class tackle you'd never expect from a championship player.

Tottenham Hotcore

Ohvey who is the guaranteed proven in the prem striker available now who would sign for us? Easy isn't it?

tophobunty

From the German papers this morning. ;............................... Lewis Holtby may be coming to Tottenham Hotspur this week, instead of this summer. According to Bild, Schalke sporting director Horst Heldt is in London to meet with Spurs about selling Holtby now instead of letting him leave for White Hart Lane on a free transfer after the season. ............................ http://www.cartilagefreecaptain.com/2013/1/28/3922978/lewis-holtby-tottenham-hotspur-transfer-rumour-schalke

chrishove123

darren bent

ghulamville

Adam Suter ‏@Adam79Suter
@George_Powell23 talks with Negredo agent - mentioned that yesterday. Hooper we have an interest not strong at this moment - very busy.

coopsieyid

this is the real world....today..we are out of the F. A cup...early. The competition that has made so much of our history. Yep'..let's hope come friday...we have a REAL goalscorer....RONaldo, will do !!..;-)

82spursdebut

Liverpool look to have done the coutinho deal which all but closes the gap between us. Keeping in mind they have Suarez who is 200% better than Defoe and Ade combined. We need to act now and not limited to Holtby.

tophobunty

Critical, (and Ox), spot on about the back 4’s inexperience, that was a calculated risk AVB took, probably quite justified considering we were only playing championship mid table team. Both Dawson and Gallas are organisers, OK Dawson not the best, and Gallas on his last legs but the back4 looks better with either of them playing, Both Caulker and Vertoghen have been good this year (but don’t tell me Vertoghen is world class, he isn’t). And yes we need a striker and a creative midfielder but surely not against Leeds. Our problem was complacency and lack of application and of course that does reflect back to AVB

matt hoten

not sure whether holtby is that spark we need in midield,schalke didnt excactly ight to keep him

ghulamville

Ok glum has it solved, who wants to re-sign bent? I prefer the guy who us better and younger than him currently keeping him out of the side.

tophobunty

It's like having a big tank with several leaks. All we seem to be doing is trying to plug the tiny holes. It's the gaping holes we need to address as a matter of urgency.

Critical_Spur

matt- also take into account lioris missing in goal. dont blame obika in any way, he might well play some part against norwich.

topspur53

gsmith84-funny how we all see it differently...for me naughton got caught under the ball for the first goal, Verts for the second on both occassions Caulker as cover was too high up the pitch...he was playing right CB he has been playing Left CB...he is a class player and can play ball, like Verts, who was shocking yesterday (but just back from illness) they are good players and I'm sure could work in a pair but need practice and both to be on form....

shedboy2

Lively debate today - good posts JVD,Hudders,Guernman and many others.
None of us can know what is going on behind the scenes, so keep your powder dry until friday(like Topho says).Don't agree with those that are blaming AVB, he rang the changes early enough but not much at his disposal and very difficult to turn around two goal deficit - Leeds were up for this one - Michael Brown played as if 'possessed'.We needed 5 subs to pull this one out the fire.
Just got to suck it up and take it out on Norwich.Like most of you,hoping we get a striker in by thursday.

Durbanspur

Good news re holtby! gsmith84 i think you need to check who Spurs are and watch Michael Dawson play not his brother. Caulker has been fantastic this season and has played every game very well and not looked out of sorts at all. Vert was very poor yesterday too but the whole team did play shocking so there is need to crusify a young player who has performed admirably this season.

Mix26

Basically they were all s**t,But did anyone actually notice that both goals actually started from sigurdsson losing the ball and then they broke and scored,he has been terrible looks low in confidence and not sure of his role,looks like he will be going down the pecking order even more with holtby's arrival,another waste of money.

gsmith84

top- benteke imo is exactly the striker that we don't need- poor touch, unproven, lashes finishes and expensive....

shedboy2

durbanspur......oh you defeatest....don't blame AVB !!!!...lol.....hope you realise, they didn't even have their topscorer playing. Leeds have been poor....were poor...and we strolled along..thinking we just got to turn up.....and that's exactly what AVB did....just turned up !!!!!!..lol

82spursdebut

gsmith84....yes, hit nail on head with siggurdsen.....i think he best be used as utility from the bench, this season.

82spursdebut

I would hope but not expect the following: Holtby, Diame and Negredo in; Sig out on loan, Hudd sold for £3m. If not Negredo then I would willingly take Hooper or Ricky Lambert. We need someone who we near as much KNOW will bang in ten goals between now and the end of the season. I see Drogba may be available....

Sebthespur

I think that we're overreacting. We are out of the FA cup, but do we realitically have the squad depth to compete in 3 competitions? When was the last time it wasn't won by Chelsea, City or United.

Fanman

@mix26 not saying dawson is a great player but at the moment he is ahead of caulker and gallas,caulker has not been great at all far from it,with some of you i think it is a case of you hoping caulker is good and not seeing the cracks in his game because he is young,english and came through the youth system.

gsmith84

Topspur, thought Obika did OK considering he was chucked in at the deep end. Seen Defoe miss easier chances than Obika's and I think he has a lot more talent than Harry Kane.

matt hoten

Sigurdsson has turned out to be a bad buy, but no one could of predicted that he would flop so badly.

Fanman

Totally Agree MIX26 about Caulker - one bad game only, but still young and was not the only defender who played bad yesterday. 82Spurs - 'AVb lacks passion'......this is certainly not my impression of AVB and not the feedback coming out of the camp. Differing opinions, but assume we are all, at least happy that Holtby is done. Also, optimism from coopsie's ITK's for a striker (even if last three windows we heard the same). Keep the faith, win at Norwich and sign a Striker before Thursday :)

Windlespur

The team that AVB picked was good enough to win the game in my opinion, they just played absolutely s**t.

Fanman

Fanman - siggy has not set the team alight yet, but in fairness, a new club and he has not exactly had too many opportunities and is still young and a talent. Why are we all so keen to write off talent like Caulker, Siggy etc already. Look at Modric & Bale in first season here - lets sell em to Forest eh..........

Windlespur

wind'...did you see any passion from AVB Yesterday !?...or did you see him sitting on the bench for 65mins' and hardly a murmur from him !? The min' dempsey fluffed that so called cross shot......AVB should have been up on his feet ....yelling......DIRECT FOR GOAL.........i.e...we should have been 2-0 up at halftime, from what i witnessed from leeds for those first 10 mins'. If AVB..has passion....then his mrs' must be very happy !!...lol

82spursdebut

Shed boy well done on Benteke you now formally disagree with the rest of the footballing world

tophobunty

why do people talk about mr levy seeing results & having a panic attack... mr levy could not give a monkey's, do you not see that? mt levy will have a panic attack if the price of real estate in hertfordshire plummets before he is able to cash in on Chigwell

Cape Town Spurs

Yeah $hitty fu**ing THFC, not steamrolling inferior opposition. Then there's the unbelievably out of order LUFC, for not simply laying down & allowing us a free pass into the next round.

I swear to god that most of the members of this site are really Joan Collins with various different accounts. Then again, I'm not even sure she's a big enough Drama Queen to be able to come up with some of the stuff being said on here!!

coopsieyid

holtby deal confirmed today. wil be joining tomorrow

shelf88

agreed Matt Hoten.. let's not crucify Obika just yet... Kane is pants and will never crack the EPL, not even if he lives to 350, Obika as disappointing as it was has a shot, okay, maybe not a shot, a chance!

Cape Town Spurs

cpt'...lol...well put !!...lol

82spursdebut

i put this in an article yesterday but don't know if ox will put it up, but for fear of repeating myself, why is everyone so keen on negredo. his finishing stats are almost as bad as defoe's, his scores 1 in 8 shots, while he is one of the few strikers out there with a worse assist rate than defoe, he has none this season. perhaps there is a reason that they are happy to flog him, but i don't want another selfish striker who is not a clinical finisher. i prefer leandro obviously, son and hooper based on the stats

Guernman

Windlespur, fair enough. Perhaps it is too soon to write off Sigurdsson. He might just prove me wrong, to be honest I hope that he does. I think that his problem is that he drops too deep and pops up all over the pitch. He has a nice touch, but he should stay closer to the goal, let the midfield do their job.

Fanman

Levy thinks money grows on trees, now his gone and spent 1.5mGBP on Holtby so he can join now, when in the summer we get him for nothing, Phew i really don't know can we, do we have that much in petty cash?

spu 4 life

you really do fancy yourself as some kind of wordsmith Coops don't you, and high and might to boot, going on about how you don't post here because people insult you. well pal, read your last post where you insulted just about every poster on the site. maybe there's a reason why people don't take to you!

Cape Town Spurs

82spursdebut, just because AVB doesn't do what you think he should doesn't mean that he doesn't have passion. He's displayed so much passion this season I don't even know how you could question it.

Fanman

what a patronising (unt warlock is you smuck w@nker

spu 4 life

Get Hooper to put away the chances then we can continue part 2 of the season.

spu 4 life

I have saif since we first signed Lloris, that because he and Friedel were such totally different keepers in terms of playing style and how they want their defence to react, we could have trouble. In terms of individual performance yesterday friedel was fine, however dis the change in keeoing expectation unsettle a defence that looked all over the place

oxfordspur

Fan'....well i thought passion was a expressive trait.....my point being, he shows little of anything..other than dourness...and to me, this is rubbing off. Maybe, on the training field, he is expressive...but he certainly isn't Match day.

82spursdebut

i think its very harsh to blame Friedel for how badly others played yesterday, they should take responsibility themselves. He made two good saves after poor defending left him exposed. I suppose we should blame Friedal for Liverpool losing to Oldham also. Lets keep a sense of reason here Ox. Actually my pork was over cooked yesterday I blame Friedel.

tophobunty

Ox No friedel never upset the defence, not watching the ball by caulker and vertonghen up set the play, look at BAE falls on his arse on the half way line the only defender in 30yds of the player, which friedel saved, when if it had been one of our players would have got slagged off for missing.

spu 4 life

Not sure ref Obika, he looked to me like some chav stumbling around looking for the entrance to the Gym, or was it the exit, maybe he could show Hudd where it is.

tophobunty

Fanman I agree ref Siggi, I would try to sell him now, Reading might well by him back.

tophobunty

Schalke have accepted a bid in the region of €1.75 million from Tottenham Hotspur for the immediate transfer of attacking midfielder Lewis Holtby. Holtby, 22, had signed a deal securing a move to Tottenham for free at the end of the season, however, the north London club have continually tried to sign him in the January transfer window and, according to German newspaper Bild, they have now had an offer accepted. Bild, who were one of the first media outlets to report on the initial transfer, states that Schalke will receive a fee in the region of €1.75m as well as the revenues of a friendly match between the two clubs due to take place this summer.

spu 4 life

spu4...stats seem to suggest making clear cut chances is a bigger problem to us than taking chances is (thats not too good either) so signing a striker is not doing the whole job required, that attacking midfielder or Dembele doing that job further up the pitch

tophobunty

coopsieyid......so you are happy that spurs didn't "steamroller inferior" opposition !?....your words...especially the "inferior". Seems....you are contradictory, in this case /post.

82spursdebut

82 coopsie is not happy about that and you know it mate

tophobunty

82spursdebut, maybe we've been watching two different AVB's? He's one of the most passionate managers I've seen.

Fanman

Levy now wants to sign RONALDO the revenue from the next 25 friendly games paying for his transfer, plus a signing on fee of 95m

spu 4 life

Levy buy 2 get one free....Pounstretcher prices for Harrods goods. it just don't happen

spu 4 life

the problem with friedel is he always hits back passed long and almost always gifts possession in doing so. if a defender is being pressed and needs to pass back to the keeper he does so to relieve pressure and find space to rebuild the attack. lloris only goes long when under real pressure, friedel goes long as a matter of course and this is a huge problem. he turns some pressure into much more pressure and it just drives me crazy. futhermore he no longer has any lift off from his dives, no way do lloris or gomis not get a hand to the first goal

Guernman

Lets hope that Holtby hits the ground running and doesn't take time to settle in like Sigurdsson. Can he play in Centre-midfield?

Fanman

tophobunty that's why holtby is coming in , get hooper The H Men, be like greaves and gilzean the G men e,f,g,h

spu 4 life

Oh CTS, go blow a goat will you!! Did you actually read my post? Are you actually aware that a "Drama Queen" is simply somebody who overreacts to the smallest of things? Maybe it's a language differential? You have your opinion, I have mine. I've insulted NOBODY, I'm not your 'pal', and I think you'll find that there are actually numerous people who "take to me". I don't fancy myself as any kind of wordsmith, though I appreciate you thinking I'm capable of such a talent. Now do me (& yourself) a favour. If you don't like what I say, don't read it. If you're not capable of ignoring what I write, then you're in no position to get all up in arms about it. You were just the same a few weeks back when I returned to the site.. "Why is it everyone crawls up Coopsies arse & hangs on his every word" etc etc. Fella (You are a fella, right?) you need to get out a bit & learn to not be so highly strung. You'll end up making yourself ill at this rate.

One other thing, I've not once said I don't post on this site because people insult me. See, again, if you actually read what's posted, you'd know that I actually said "This site is becoming easier & easier to stay away from because it's nothing but people being insulted for voicing their opinions". As you should be aware, with me not being on the site for MONTHS, there is absolutely NO WAY that I could be talking about people insulting me. Hope I've explained thsat in a clear enough way for you to comprehend? If not, send me your address & I'll make a 'pop-up book' to send to you!!

coopsieyid

top' and fan'....well then he should show his dissapointment ..in not Beating a leeds side, who didn't have their topscorer playing...........We are the mighty spurs, are we not !..........nevermind...we'll beat Norwich, if we put our praying power together.

82spursdebut

I think that Friedel had a good game. His distribution could be improved, but he kept the scoreline respectable with some great saves. If he had come off his line for their first goal he may have stopped the striker from scoring, but that's marginal. The defense left him completely exposed. Our defensive line was too high yesterday. It was far too easy to get in behind us. Maybe we should of let them have the ball a bit more in midfield? They don't have the quality to have broken us down.

Fanman

spu4 not totally sure holtby is than man hope you are right, either way he is a positive signing......well said coopsie

tophobunty

If the talk of Holtby is accurate then that is a positive move for this window. We do still need a striker to put the ball in the net otherwise having extra drive and creativity in midfield won't deliver as many rewards as it should. Those of you mentioning Negredo I hope you're right. I can't see it however as he is on the old side for Levy.

SpuriousLife

spot on fanman

tophobunty

82spursdebut - Care to tell me where I've even come close to saying I'm happy about anything? Go on, I dare you :).. "Contradictory"? Again, tell me where I've even come close to contradicting myself?

A sarcastic post because a few angry supporters seem to think we should steamroll over an opposing team, just because they're in a lower league. Attached to a sarcastic statement about how our opponents should have obviously lay down & let us win, rather than put in the dogged & determined display that they did = One big sarcastic statement. Nothing contradictory there at all sweetheart!!

coopsieyid

82spursdebut, what do you want him to do, get down on his knees and cry? He said that he was disappointed post match. That's good enough for me. He has to be very, very careful about what he says.

Fanman

tophobunty, cheers!

Fanman

i have done so well to keep away this transfer window but phuck me some of you phucking sad b@stards cant be spurs fans. You must be aresnal fansi in disguise. Yes we lost to Leeds and Levy is a c$nt as he wont just get us what we all want. But no its all doom and gloom here. I know.....................lets get Harry back that way we van get Saha, Nelson and who ever else we shoud sign. Disgraceful attitude, yes we lost, im not over the moon about it, ask my door at home, and the beautiful dent will tell you how impressed i was. Get over it!!!!! Im entitled to my opinon just as you are. You can hurl your abuse at me for the next hour if you wish. I will be back after the windows closed. For the regulars i had a baby boy over xmas :) and this was my boys first loss. so bit of joy with the loss. Ciao!!!

G Star

Lets blamce AVB of the loss......wow!!!! says it all

G Star

coopsieyid......you called them "INFERIOR" opposition...yet moaned that us spurs fans...were drama queens, cos' we are unhappy that we didn't beat them. I for one....am very unhappy that we are not scoring goals....and now we are out of the F.A cup....so early.......the competition that has done so much for THFC. Thus....the day after defeat.....i will be DRAMATIC.

82spursdebut

G Star, congratulations on the new baby.

Fanman

fan'......ok

82spursdebut

thanks Fanman

G Star

82spursdebut - WHY should I show my disappointment? Because you think I should? Because that's what real supporters do? Because this site is so much better with a bunch of nonsensical & angry rambling about anything & everything?

If it's OK with you, I'll continue to act like the individual that I am. I'll continue to respect the site (or more-so, oxfordspur) because I appreciate what an excellent facility it is capable of being (when not being dragged down by those who eat the lead that's removed from petrol).

So excuse me if I haven't come on here ranting & swearing my head off about how useless or passionless our manager is (by the way, you're crazy if you think AVB is passionless. Should've gone to SpecSavers). Yesterday was just a bad day all round. I don't remember you being on here with your unbelievable dismissal of our managers ability after the recent Man United game? His jumping around on the sideline (as he has done with almost EVERY goal that's been scored by his team)?.

Must be wonderful being a 'fair-weather supporter' ?..

coopsieyid

im with Coopsie, well said fella :)

G Star

Fanman - agree. 82 - Really not sure how AVB can show more passion - sit back in his recaro maybe ? A big over-reaction to a poor performance & poor cup exit. Friedel was not poor, Caulker & Verts are very good players but were not yesterday, Hudd is no Dembele & we missed him, Dempsey had a bad game & Sigg is young and still not firing but is a real talent. Holtby news is good and hopefully we beat Norwich and suddenly all is great. Massive OVER-REACTION. Our issues remain the same - a striker & midfield creativity, with Levy not as yet backing AVB in those areas.

Windlespur

82 - assume you want AVB to be like Arry & publicly destroy his own players (aka Bent) or try to be balanced in the media whether we win, lose or draw. However, passion to succeed is there for all of us, except you to see weekly.

Windlespur

G Star - That's AWESOME mate :).. I trust mother & son are both doing very well? You'll be making a wise move if you stay away until the window is closed. There's becoming less & less space on here for common semse posts such as yours just was..

Again, MASSIVE CONGRATULATIONS for the new G Star family member :)

coopsieyid

wind.....no'....i want him to be like...Sir Alex'..if anything. I did not like harry...but i'm thankful, for what he did for spurs, overall.

82spursdebut

82 - I NEVER called them inferior opposition at all. I don't know if I've pointed this out to you? (OK I do know I've pointed it out, but here I go again).... My post was SARCASTIC. Therefore, when I said inferior opposition, it was because of the misconception that they SHOULD BE. However, on the day, that most certainly was NOT the case. Yet even if that is/was the case, there is NOTHING that suggests we have a divine right to just waltz past them, or that they shouldn't show more passion & desire than we did. That's exactly what they did, which is exactly why they got the result that they deserved, as did THFC.

You get it now?

coopsieyid

Well done on the lil one G star another lil yid chak de phatte

JattYid

Calm down everyone. This was our first defeat since Everton. It was a poor performance but let's focus on the next game. We now have Holtby. A top striker (come on Mr Levy, we know you an do it) and we are good to go. If we don't get a striker though then it could be tricky

jonathan01

coopsieyid.....avb jumping around after getting a goal scored for spurs in the 92nd min'....................i call that "Relief"....lol

82spursdebut

Well said jonathan01 - First defeat for a good while, yet the knives are out lol

coopsieyid

Gstar - congrats mate. Great idea too. See you on here next week............ Agree Jonathan01.

Windlespur

Just as AVB gets everyone sucking on his balls he goes & phucks it up .
AVB himself made many mistakes yesterday & this switching of wings by lennon & Bale has to stop .Even to the untrained eye it has no effect ,& it is more of a hindrance to us ,than a problem to the opposing defence .

How does this switching of wings have any benefit to the team & players ? it doesn`t .My Sunday team does that , but it should never be done at this level .Why play into their hands ,"please switch wings ",they ask .

Frank has got 3 days to be proved right or wrong about Levy .Starting to wonder myself about the ambition of the board .

big cockeral

yes, they showed more "passion and desire"....exactly what i'm saying. I..e..avb shows little...and it rubs off. And yes, i've come to realise....you like plenty of posts for our friend oxfordspur............lol..lol

82spursdebut

82spurs - are you trying to tell me that Redkanpp was mre passionate about Spurs than AVB? I hope you're not so misguided!

SpuriousLife

Thanks lads, im offski too tempting to stay and have a go. See you in a few days

G Star

82 - The best thing about you & your opinion = You are one of the very members on here that I am constantly arguing for. Many a member of this site don't even count you as a 'proper supporter' because you live abroad & aren't a regular visitor to WHL, so your opinion means nothing. This is not my opinion, just the opinion that I am constantly arguing against. Any member of this site, whether local to WHL, or as far away as Australia, will 100% confirm just that!!

How ironic lol

coopsieyid

Lewis Holtby will sign for Spurs this week .Done deal

big cockeral

@Coops, lol... Thanks fella

Cape Town Spurs

big cockeral seen more ambition on a cheese board.

spu 4 life

said Lewis was signing on the other monday throw backs from yesterdays night mare on elland road, just get hooper we have 8.5m to spend from levy budget of 10m see you can get 2 players for 10m= 1.5m Lewis, + 8.5m Gary Hooper, Levy 8.5m for a goalscorer..

spu 4 life

Walking on egg shells ?

big cockeral

coopsieyid.....i got a feeling you are trying to work me out.........well let me tell you, i'm Enfield born and bred and do frequent WHL'...and with my near 12 year old son. I stood on the shelf many a time......and my first spurs game was vs ipswich..1982...we won 1-0..glenda....clem' saved a wark penalty. Correct....my opinion ..is my opinion.......lol

82spursdebut

congrats G star!

Guernman

sp' life.......nope.....

82spursdebut

spu 4 life No to Hooper ,Celtic have no competition now ,even Samaras looks half decent up there .Scottish football is destroying itself .

Look to Europe for better players .

2 best players in the EPL Suarez & Van Persie ,where can you find similar ?

Our strikers could n`t score in an Amsterdam Brothel

big cockeral

I'm not trying to work anyone out, 82. I've got no reason to.

coopsieyid

Does anyone think we will put the same team out in the EL??

SpursOne2

Brad must go. Its like when you drink a £10 bottle of wine for ages because it tastes better than the old £5 one, but with Lloris we are drinking £20 wine, and cannot go back to £10 bottles. Brad's distribution is very poor and his sweeping is non-existant.

Tactically Challenge

Tactically Challenge You do realise he signed a 1 year extension .
WHY ? Must have good coaching skills because i can`t understand that one

big cockeral

Big C - I would not write Hooper off just because he is from SPL. However, you are quite correct that there MUST be players out there who have huge ability and are not YET too expensive for us. Over to our scouting network, but if watching the Ivory Coast in ANC, take a look at a striker called Wilfried Bony who plays for Vitesse (same crap league that Suarez & RVP came from). Only age 23-year-old and after scoring 17 goals in 32 appearances last season has a VERY IMPRESSIVE 16 strikes in only 18 league appearances this campaign. There must be so many players out there who are not Falcao prices, yet, but could be (Benteke, Michu, Ba, Jelavic good recent examples).

Windlespur

Windlespur I agree ,it is very ignorant to write someone off just because of the league he plays in . But IMO he doesn`t look all that & noone else is jumping through hoops :) hee hee ,,, to get him .

Also the player must fit the club & the club must fit the player .IMO Benteke is a poor lazy player ,Jelavic misses too many sitters but Michu is buy of the season & BA was a huge risk that paid off .
Buy smart not big ,Wenger is a genius at this .But like with BA ,take that risk .Hooper is not a risk because what you see is what you get ,predictable like Siggurdson ,still don`t get that one .

We got Berbatov ,Bale ,modric ,Kaboul ,Lloris ,Sandro ,Vertonghen etc so we`ve proved we`re willing to take that risk & reap the rewards .Playing it safe as we have been we`ll get us nowhere

big cockeral

Fanman When the first goal went in I was shouting at the 'keeper to come off his line and when it went in I was thinking why the fu(k didn't he come out, THAT was when I remembered we had Brad in goal and all that went through my head then was, Oh yeah it's Friedel in goal, that explains everything.

chrishove123

Wiltshire.. I agree with your post.. prices always go up when other clubs know spurs are desperate for a particular player position...

Block D Spurs

IF Obika scored would he be a hero today----the next big thing--football is so fickle I jus luv it---Negredo would do ??questions I don't expect to see answered---COYS

krafty007

Not Breaking news but

Lewis Holtby confirmed done deal

Striker please ,this signing hasn`t satisfied my appetite for Spurs to finish on a high note ,i`m hungry for more .

big cockeral

It's funny that peope have so much negativity towards what Hooper has done. Scottish PL is akin to poor League 1 or good League 2. OK, but then how do you explain what he did in the Championship, at 20 years of age. He has shown, year in and year out, that he is able to better his stats. He also gets assists which means he would be a player who could work with a partner. He went from 24 goals and 7 assists to help get his team promoted to the Championship and then followed that up with 19 goals and 5 assists the following year in the Championship. Clearly he adjusted. He goes to the SPL, scores 20 and sets up 7. So now he is a known commodity and he scores 24 and sets up 8. To date this year wth 5 strikers playing in a rotation, he has 13 and 5 in the league. Now no matter what one thinks of the league, everyone knows who he is. Will he tear apart the Spurs record books? Who knows. What I can say for certain is he is strong, has proven at every level he can score and he has not looked out of place in the CL. How he would represent a worse choice than any others out there on the lists people come up with is beyond me. There is risk to any signing. If he can be had for 7 or 8M, why not? COYS

peterballb

Peter, tucked away in a more reasonable corner of the world as you are, I think you are probably insulated from the true degree of overweening arrogance that we English exhibit towards our Northern cousins in terms of all things football. Hooper could double those stats and you'd still find people saying it's because he plays in a crap league.

darkenvai

Bad day at the office thats all.

IMO Some of the flack AVB gets on here is ridiculous.

spurfect one

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