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The blame game!

Football is no longer about eleven men against another eleven, because if you lose it is never a boy the quality of an opposition, but the failings of your own team.

In fairness, yesterday, I suppose many fans will have a point in directing anger at certain players and errors at Elland Road, and If I am honest, there weren't too many individuals that could really be marked down as playing to their usual standard, let alone stepping up their games, when the opposition looked really up for the fight. Can we blame a collective apathy, bad day at the office or a simple lack of quality in key areas? I will leave that to you to decide in your own blame game.

Clearly for me, we defended naively for both Leeds goals and if I am honest, neither Caulker or Vertonghen played well and were guilty for a goal each in my opinion. Can we accept that Caulker is fully entitled to an occasional error at this stage in his development, whilst do we expect more that he is ready to give from Vertonghen, in suggesting that he is the defensive leader and at the moment, we still need one of Gallas or Dawson alongside him to marshall our back line?

Also I believe we missed Kyle Walkers rampaging runs on the right side. Sure he has been caught out far too often this season, but is that what we should expect at his stage of development and also when we demand the attacking penetration so often? Staying with the defensive unit, I was pleased to see Brad Friedel make some very good saves, which perhaps kept the score-line respectable, however is there still a fact that his style of keeping contributes to an uncertainty in our defending? Players all too easily get complacent and how often has Lloris mopped up and played the sweeper role behind the back line? In fairness he probably couldn't have done a thing about either goal, but does his way of defending make our players a little complacent with an over the top or through ball?

In midfield, I felt it was a real battle of the brave, Leeds closed down superbly and also got the run of the game from a very lenient set of officials. I felt that Michael Brown could probably have picked up a handful of yellow cards in the game, but though, Parker in particular battled manfully, I did feel that we lacked that killer ball with Scott and Tom, whilst Bale and Lennon, also struggled to put their stamp on the game and perhaps tried too hard to be individually brilliant, as opposed to looking at the better team option. I still have sympathy for Sigurdsson, as I feel he is still looking to find his feet and position that really suits him in the team. He is still playing too high for me and looks better facing goal and playing 20 yards deeper from a starting position, but in that case who makes way? is this a confidence or quality issue or are we missing a trick tactically?

Losing both of Adebayor and Defoe was a worst case scenario, however if we hopefully only lose both for one game, then I am glad it was for this one. Fingers crossed that Jermain if fit and firing for Norwich. Talk that Dempsey can happily step into the main striking role would appear to be backed up by stats of five goals in five games, and 23 last season for Fulham, but for me, he is so much more effective playing from deep, where he ghosts in like Teddy Sheringham making himself so hard to mark, whilst also creative more for others. Sure he can do the No9 role, but he remains a little uncomfortable for me and certainly less effective. 'Another striker please!', I hear you all cry...

For someone that was brought up in an era when FA Cup final day was the biggest occasion on the football calendar, and everyone made it a whole day experience, I still find is sad that I don't feel greater hurt or anger at our elimination yesterday. Is this just my maturing and calmer outlook on life or a clear indication that domestic cup football doesn't have the same attraction for anyone in the game. We know that teams rested players with the consideration of the mid-week Prem games, and that indicates where the priorities lie. Could the governing bodies re-look at the fixtures, if they are to see the best out of what was once the biggest and best domestic cup competition in the world? I bet we would have seen stronger Spurs, Norwich, Liverpool, Chelsea and QPR teams this weekend, but then again I might be just looking for someone or something to blame, as my team yet again miss out of silverware...



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Monday January 28 2013
Time: 9:15AM

Comments

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The whole team was Crap. this Leeds team was trashed by Chelsea on their own back yard.
papsy
28/01/2013 09:24:00
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Absolutely gutted this morning. There is a bitter taste in my mouth and I can’t help but think we just chucked the FA cup… The problem for me is I preferred we had put a stronger team out against Leeds (which I felt we didn’t, as was able too) and I pretty much am sure that come the EL, we will. It’s my bad for not rating the EL as much as other competitions, I understand you need priorities with all the games in one year, but I’m really disappointed this morning. I hope the team is too. What doesn’t help is coming and reading posts claiming Levy is a spoiled bratt who hasn't backed AVB?? Clearly he has with all the signings in summer, plus a few in January (window still open) and dare I say it a few more next year. AVB has only been here five minutes and has my backing, but sometimes we need to take a look at his decisions and also individual players putting in a shift. I agree with the article calling for a bit more creative but we do have a talented side, any one we add to this team should be a bonus really, someone to add something else and can help with rotation in areas. I think we have missed a real opportunity to progress in that comp and a chance for silver ware. We will probably regret this game, and I hope AVB admits his cockups and highlights areas for players to improve. COYS.
SpursOne2
28/01/2013 09:26:00
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No blame just a poor day a the office. Defending was the poorest I think ive seen this season. Looking froward to better things and an imminent stricer signing please Mr Levy
Mickeys1969
28/01/2013 09:26:00
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would help if our midfielder actually tried putting our strikers in on goal, rather than taking a miriad of off-target shots on goal from 30 yards out. Sandro and Bale have been terrible culprits for this, highligted by the fact that Bale only has 1 prem assist this season. shocking for a winger his quality. It is ironic that the two "spice boys" Lennon and Defoe combining have baled us out numerous times.
Spurfect11
28/01/2013 09:28:00
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Out of the cup... concentrate on Europa and more so the PL......

COYS
Yidmarks
28/01/2013 09:29:00
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i'd also say that if Caulker had played as poor as Vertonghen did today (which Vertoghen was truly awful), then many would be calling for Caulker not to be played again. Very unfair in my opinion, and Freidal clearly has the backline unsettled.
Spurfect11
28/01/2013 09:29:00
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I still can't see how Dawson marshals a back four. He's the one that Gallas or previously, King, spend the whole game telling him what to do. The biggest challenge is actually keeping him alongside you at centre half as he keeps following his man out and leaving holes. Van Persie even took him to our right wing at one stage last week.

Saying all that, it's becoming a bit of a challenge at centre half. Too much swapping and no partnership ever settling down. AVB now has to pick one of Gallas, Dawson or Caulker and put them alongside Vertonghen in the league for an extended period. With Ekotto back he also needs to pick one of Walker or Naughton and let them get settled.
muttley
28/01/2013 09:30:00
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I’ve just heard the AVB interview from yesterday, what an absolute joke. If he id srious about what he is saying then I wonder if he really is the future. Again backing up his statement that we don’t need a striker, what a phicking idiot. If he is serious he is just Levy’s yes man. Any man with eyes can see the problem, is he that phucking stupid. Really really pi$$ed me off that has. Says he happy with our options and will take the risk!!?? What a phucking idiot!!! I thonk AVB has doen a cracking job but this utter bull $hit isnt flying with me. Phucking disgrace
hudderspur
28/01/2013 09:43:00
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I think Lloris was a big miss yesterday, having Brad in goal puts the defence in two minds which is understandable, I think we should be looking for a back up keeper that plays the same way as Lloris. Hopefully that will be sorted in the summer. Caulker was at fault and it seems he isn't playing well with Vertonghen but that's a partnership which needs games together and given time will flourish. The striker situation is worrying and I don't see why we can't at least get someone in on loan who won't kick up a fuss if Defoe or Ade play but will be ready to prove themselves. Dempsey should never play up top again, I'd rather give Bale a go and play Dempsey behind if needed.
Jantheman
28/01/2013 09:49:00
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Blame !....well for the leeds defeat.....my criticism is aimed at AVB and Freund...for sitting on their arses !...for too long. Mr. Levy...for not sorting the striking options out better. For me, i'd like to see spurs go 3 /5 / 2....for a couple of games....to test the water.(plus keep Bale on the left). I.e..vs Norwich.... ........................O'Bika......dempsey.................. ..................................................................... Bale........dembele.....parker....lennon.......walker ..................................................................... ..........vertonghen......caulker......dawson.......... .................................................................... ...............................lloris.............................. Subs:friedel,naughton,ekotto,livermore,mason, siggurdsen,townsend.
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 09:52:00
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do you guys really not understand how it works!?!?! If AVB came out saying 'yes we desperately need a striker' then the ball would be firmly in any potential sellers court and they hold the negotiating high ground as they know we badly need what they have, meaning we wouldn't be able to get a good deal anywhere!!! neither AVB nor Levy are stupid, they know what they are doing, whether you agree with it or not. Personally I think AVB sent obika on as a subtle message to Levy as to the crisis we are in regarding strikers atm, its obvious obika isn't up to standard and I believe he may well have been making a point, only he knows. If he got publicly *****y to the press about it how would that do any good whatsoever!? use your heads.
wiltshirespur
28/01/2013 09:52:00
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Friedel needs to go. Not because it was his fault, or because he is 41 years old, but because as someone addressed, the had the backline completely unsettled and this will never change. He is a completely different type of keeper to Lloris, so the backline need to play a completely different style of play when defending in front of Friedel. You cannot expect them to do this, and then couple that with Def's who have never / hardly ever play together it's not surprising. Sorry Brad, but you are a problem and the solution is a back up keeper in a similar vein to Lloris rather than an opposite approach
Cape Town Spurs
28/01/2013 09:53:00
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seems we're on the same post there jantheman!
Cape Town Spurs
28/01/2013 09:54:00
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Hudderspur do you not think he might of been told to say that? or that he might be keeping his cards close to his chest? because your right that if he actually believes that then he's a mug but as I said above surely there must be someone we can get on loan if we don't have much to spend.
Jantheman
28/01/2013 09:54:00
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I believe that most of the points mentioned fall under the responsibility of the (well paid) manager. Repeatedly following a tactic that demands to defend high while most of the players used lack pace and ability to read the game, isn't intelligent at all to me. Intelligent is a manager who is flexible with the tactics used and also capable to motivate his players and create a winning mentality inside and outside the dressing room. A manager who can follow tactics that suit the skills and abilities of the players used/are available and can get results. The joke is that AVB insists (or he is been told to say so) that we don't need another (clinical or RVP type) striker!
Ioan X
28/01/2013 10:02:00
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if we don't get another striker in then i think we all know that it's a joke. either avb is an idiot, which I doubt, or levy is a liar, which i find far more believable
Cape Town Spurs
28/01/2013 10:05:00
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Great minds Cape Town.
Jantheman
28/01/2013 10:08:00
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Wilshire spur – Of course we understand that!! But there’s only so long you can say that for. The fact is the people who keep the club going (THE FANS) need to know what the phuck is happening!! At first I thought he was just playing it cool, but as the Gary phuckin hooper rumours continue im seeing it for what it really is. Just another cheapy cheap patch up job. Losing all phucking patience with this mob now. If some of the spurs faithful; are happy just to watch the club plod along then be my guest, but there’s a hell of lot more fans like me who are just sick to death of the same bull $hit excuses year after year. It’s the fans who keep the club alive; I think the board need to phuckin remember that!!!!!!!
hudderspur
28/01/2013 10:09:00
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Credit must be given for Leeds as they planned to play with the resources they had available and really stuck to their master plan. We all should show some grace at defeat. That does not mean we are not allowed to point our fingers to some "self-evident" weaknesses Spurs have been displaying for the last 2 and half seasons. We all know that and the lack of a prolific striker is the most noticeable of all. However, I´d like to look at the backstage today. I am reading this morning that Defoe was not rested for the match but kept away by a pelvic injury. Also in the midia news that Schalke manager is in London to negotiate an "immediate" Holtby´s transfer. Today is 28th of january and Spurs have failed to bring in anyone that could make a real impact in the 2nd half of the season. really fail to understand our business plan for such moments. I am not talking about splashing money we do not have and increase debt to buy our CL spot. It is naive to think that there are not good players at a decent price in this planet. Swansea showed anyone interested that decent strikers needn´t be valualed at zillions of dollars. Last week, the club released their financial results which turned out to be a loss of 4.3 million pounds because, mainly, of lac of CL footbsall. Does it make sense not to spend 1,6 million pounds on a playmaker we already signed in oirder to try to prevent a loss of 4,3 MM ?? I respect Levy´s financial brain by keeping THFC afloat but sometimes I think he needs a footalling counterpart to prevent him to become an ordinary "beam counter". If Defoe injury news are sound, with Adebayor playing for Togo and Dempsey clearly not a striker, AVB`s statement that we don´t need reinforcements has to b taken either as madness and utter lack of profesional responsibility or just a smoke screen to hide a signing we will be show this week. Hope for the latter.
AlexSpur
28/01/2013 10:13:00
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Hudderspur, the board (ENIC) are going to keep spoon feeding us BS until they've milked as much profit from the club as possible after which they won't give a damn and Levy will no longer be a Spurs supporter! The fact is that the money they will get for developing housing on the old training site pays for the new site with profit on top. The money they get from selling our best players and replacing with average / okay players just disappears and the Northumberland project is again about profit from real estate and not about THFC. We will not see a bean of this. It'll be whisked away to a numbered account in the Bahamas.
Cape Town Spurs
28/01/2013 10:17:00
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How can people come on here after to losing to phuckin Leeds united and pretend everything’s fine!! Where the phuck is you’re self respect!! We got outplayed, they weren’t lucky. Typical phcking spurs fans, blame everything else but don’t see the real picture. Its no wonder why other fans laugh at us with some of the $hit people come out with on here. All the talk of aiming fort 3rd etc…wake the phuck up. We are the ones in a false position, and the board YET AGAIN don’t want to do anything about it….phuck it I cant even be arsed talking about it anymore. Bet the majority on here will think a 1-1- draw against Norwich is a good result. Phuckin joke!!!!
hudderspur
28/01/2013 10:17:00
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Ioan is right that the high line is a problem. AVB is no idiot. The discrepency is that we could continue with no more signings and get 4th....as we are 4th now and have been all season. No one is lying either. Most people on this site have been a) gagging for a tasty striker signing for ages now and b) believe that a striker would help ensure 4th. I personally would like a striker just as an option to start or on bench when things aren't working up front... Either that or we will be seeing Obika missing more chances....
TonyRich
28/01/2013 10:17:00
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Folks this game was all down to the players. NOT AVB, NOT Levy. The players. Every player we put out there was what you or anyone would consider a PL player. Fact is they just didn't come to play. Kudos to AVB who saw it early and made changes earlier than he has ever done in the second half. We saw a slight improvement but still no real fight. That's a major problem this team has had since Jol, no cojones. They don't consistently FIGHT to win. They're nicely, nicely players afraid to get blood on their shirts and until we weed out the girls in the team it's always going to be like that. BTW Obika was the only player not a first team "regular".
jvd
28/01/2013 10:18:00
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Also it needs to be said.... Well done Leeds!
jvd
28/01/2013 10:19:00
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THFC is all about the real estate -- football is just a ruse -- ENIC only give a damn because of real estate and Levy is imo a major deceptor and BS artist of note. everyone goes on about how well he runs the club, and yes he does, but that is not because he gives a toos about the club, that's because he has a plan for how to maximize the profit for him & Suntan Joe
Cape Town Spurs
28/01/2013 10:20:00
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Hudderspur your spot on I was thinking of ringing up talksport but I might have got thrown of for swearing on air. The only reason he could be saying that is that they are gonna buy someone but they don't want the players price to increase by saying we are in need of a striker. As for yesterday they wanted it more and thats the FA cup. COYS
Yido T
28/01/2013 10:22:00
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AVB is saying what he's being told to say. Don't forget that Levy is his boss. How many on here would publicly criticise or go against a direct instruction from their boss? Not many I would guess. Levy has probably told him to stick to the script with the promise of a 'last-minute-levy' striker signing happening in the last hour of the window. What AVB doesn't know is that we've heard it all before from Levy. No doubt, we'll unfortunately just miss out on that world class striker at the last second and we'll be left in a mess YET AGAIN! AVB will learn soon enough and then we'll probably be looking for another manager as well as a striker, creative midfielder etc. Same old nonsense.
SpuriousLife
28/01/2013 10:23:00
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Hudders - whilst you are right to say that losing was far from perfect, but who knocked out Arsenal from League cup? Man u commonly get knocked out by minnows and just get on with it. It happens. You say that we were outplayed, well we have often been outplayed this season and did not impress in europa either. New manager with less experience still getting used to English football... I am more concerned with league...the bread and butter. Get that right and cups will get better.
TonyRich
28/01/2013 10:26:00
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By the way, I think football players do not care about FA Cup these days. It is a sad logic but if any tournement does not bring them more spotlight time and midia exposure the way PL and CL do, they just don´t put their hearts and souls on it. Apart from Parker who was fighting for every square inch of pitch, I don´t remember any other single Spur player being at the same level of commitment yesterday. And it was at Leeds. I wonder if players look at small stadia like Bradford´s, Brentford´s or Oldham Athletic´s and don´t start whispering "What the hell am I doing here ?? I belong to big stages..." .
AlexSpur
28/01/2013 10:27:00
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Jvd....your wrong chap...this defeat was down to AVB and Freund....they didn't get off their back sides till we were 2-0 down. That, imo, was unacceptable....on the evidence of the match. AVB...should be on the touchline....from the start.....like warnock....or Tony Pulis..(who i rate).
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 10:28:00
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Cape Town- ENIC bought VDV and Modric. They sold them at a profit and reinvested all of it. That is an increase in spending on players. You say inferior players, but Modric was not that great when he first joined he? Real Madrid fans would argue - wrongly - that he isn't great now. There is no BS we know all the long that they want sell, but their aim is to leave us more profitable than when they got here...which they are going a great job at.
TonyRich
28/01/2013 10:32:00
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82Spurs - bad examples. I like Pulis but he is struggling right now. Warnock I simply cannot stand... Spurs this season are fine when we take lead. Go a goal down, and we have limited impact from the bench.
TonyRich
28/01/2013 10:35:00
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Yesterday was a collectivbe brain fart....Brad in goal...not a problem for this game but you must understand he won't come off his line.....so play high line....shouldn't be too much of a problem as the back 4 are quick....but Verts and Caulker couldn't decide who was playing deeper and as such we got caught flat too many times....it was the 1st time AVB played Caulker at RCB....first goal Naughton got caught out, caulker as the cover was too high....second goal Verts (playing his worse game) got caught out Caulker as the cover was too high....Brad was never going to come rushing off his line....collective shambles.
shedboy2
28/01/2013 10:38:00
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So then we need goal....put Demebele and Parker together, those two should score a load, shouldn't they? And as for strikers...oops where did we leave them, look down the back of the sofa and see if defoe is there....
shedboy2
28/01/2013 10:40:00
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You know 82, it's a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't. When he was at Chelsea the guy almost never lever left the sideline, he even squatted on the sideline! He got a lot of ***** for that. So now he's not on the sideline enough. Wow! Stop blaming the coaches for the players lack of fight. They're professionals. They get paid to be up for the game. AVB made the changes that were needed when he could. If he had done it earlier it would have been seen as reprimanding pros and they don't like that and it creates a bad dressing room. You guys seem to think this is a very simple situation, managing 25 egos today. It definitely is not. Running of to work now but I'll read more later.
jvd
28/01/2013 10:40:00
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Spurious – If my boss what constantly blowing wind up my arse then yeah I would say something. Im very sure that when AVB took the job transfer funds etc were discussed. Considering that almost singed Moutinho for £22m funds are available. So either that deal was a myth, or suddenly the funds have been taken away, it doesn’t really matter which is the case as the result is the same. The striker issue would have been discussed before AVB was appointed, 100% sure of that. If you were going to a new company in a managerial role but the department was vastly understaffed, you would bloody highlight it in your interview, no difference. I Think its another case of levy moving the goalposts.
hudderspur
28/01/2013 10:43:00
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so refreshing to take the cups seriously this year isn't it?
shedboy2
28/01/2013 10:43:00
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Tony Pulis...is perfectly fine.............My point is that AVB..and co' are not tactical genius's....are far too dour and that portrays to the pitch. They set the tone....for this game, by just sitting there, no emotion........terrible. The min' dempsey crapped that cross shot..nothing.....well AVB should have been up on his feet. Nope....AVB..hasn't got enough grey hairs for my liking....(too young). Spurs "Had" a talented squad.....now, i feel ..avb is wasteing them. Only thing i will agree on.....is we need at least one striker..prob' two....(h'm' son..negredo..imo)....but even avb recently said, we could cope...............he be a fool.
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 10:45:00
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No one could have predicted we would need a striker to score goals, c'mon guy's you're just all being silly...;)
shedboy2
28/01/2013 10:46:00
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There's some funny over-reacting on here today. Bring back Harry!
micyid
28/01/2013 10:47:00
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CapeTown, you have said it all mate, which is exactly what I and others such as Frank have been saying for the last several seasons. I didn'r see the game yesterday except for the "hi-lights" but it was obvious from the team selection that we would struggle. Hudd, Sigurdsson and no goal-scorer to me meant that we were going to be ineffective at best. I don't comment much anymore because it is obvious to anyone with a brain that Levy and ENIC have a property investment agenda while us fans have a football agenda, but are powerless to affect anything. The point about the sale of the old training ground for housing development, if true, would explain why so many resources were diverted towards that project rather than the squad. It makes me laugh when people buy the £4.3m "loss" BS...and people thought Harry was a crook! Sad to say I now expect nothing but more of the same from Levy but hope that AVB can deliver something special in spite of the bald-headed supremo.
Harry-Kari
28/01/2013 10:51:00
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hudderspur - The fans DONT keep the club going at all, SKY do. All we do is support the team, sing and dance. Our money at the turn-style is a mere pittance to what TV revenue brings in. Don be deluded to think US fans are the money behind the club.
yiddyboy
28/01/2013 10:53:00
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Jvd....yep..avb crouched / squatted...etc....totally ridiculous....but doesn't excuse him stting in his dugout..comfy like. He should be on the touchline....giving his all. He should also have a eye in the sky.....i.e....extra...man watching from high up in the stands......all help should be helpfull. yes....managing ego's is difficult....hence...you need respected experience....like..a Bobby Robson figure (rip). Or if you want a young coach...try a experienced prem' english football coach...like moyes or pulis.....Passion !!!!...lol
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 10:53:00
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Tony you keep banning on with the same argument that the funds were reinvested. No they weren’t!!! We made a profit of over £10m on transfers last summer. We bought players half the quality of what we sold. For the last 4 years we have made profit on transfers. That is not investing in a company. I could phuckin run spurs if that was the case. Sell a player for £20, and buy two for £15m it costs me phuck all. Orry mate but they have the wool pull firmly over your eyes. Do you honestly care how the balance sheet looks? When other teams around us are trophies and playing in the Nou camp we can smugly sit back with a grin and say “yeah but we made a profit last year”!!!!!! The only people who need to care about that are the ones who are keeping the money, do THFC send you a cheque when the sell a player?? Far too many righteous people who kid themselves, we want to see good football, not pretty financial figures. We are very very stable, we aren’t going to go bust, far from it. So invest in the phucking team!!
hudderspur
28/01/2013 10:53:00
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I think jvd makes some good points here.
tophobunty
28/01/2013 10:56:00
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hudderspur - What you are saying makes sense, of course us fans want to better players and more trophies. However, how would you feel if I said "hudderspur, why don't you send me £500 direct in my bank account?" After all, who cares if you go overdrawn or not???
yiddyboy
28/01/2013 11:01:00
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ok, so ENIC & Levy are pure evil and are holding us back from glory. So they do as you wish and leave/sell. Then what?? Who will buy us in this financial climate?? Who will buy us and not treat the club like a business?? Who will buy us and spend endless amounts of cash just to appease supporters like Frank?? Yes, i would love us to sign a striker and/or a star player to really go for 4th in this window, rather than do nothing and hope for 4th. But I am not going to pretend i know how to run a club better than Levy and nor should any of you. Football is a business these days, its killing football, but it is the reality. So some people really need to wake up. The fault is not ENIC the fault is Football.
jimmy-yid
28/01/2013 11:03:00
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Top'..well if your happy with 12 goals in the last 8 prem' games...and being knocked out by that poor leeds side........we scored one goal !!!!..lol My son...almost 12......playing footy with me ..after this defeat....was shooting, saying "Podolski"...and he be a spurs fan !!!!!......says it all for me..!!!...lol..lol
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 11:04:00
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MR LEWIS... STOP LOOKING AT YOUR MULTI-MILLION POUND ART COLLECTION ON YOUR 50 MILLION POUND BOAT..

AND THROW A FEW PENNIES AT YOUR BELOVED CLUB....

STRIKER IS A MUST,,,, I THINK AVB IS THROWING US A SMOKE SCREEN... LETS HOPE THAT TRUE BEFORE THE 31ST...
Yidmarks
28/01/2013 11:05:00
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yiddyboy- who do you think buy the Sky subsrciptions? why do pubs show footy?...the answer is because FANS will buy sky to watch footy, FANS will go and buy drinks at the pub to watch footy, Fans buy papaers to read about footy etc etc....the fans are the lifblood of football and the more successful you are on the pitch the more fans you will attract....
shedboy2
28/01/2013 11:07:00
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Hudderspur - SPOT ON AGAIN! According to some they reckon we'll be able to fill a 56,000 seater stadium week-in-week-out at £50 a seat whilst putting a load of dross on the pitch and limiting our ambition to not getting relegated from the PL and maybe reaching the final of the FA or League Cup once every 25 years or so. Like ENIC they think success and competitiveness on the pitch are irrelevant. I don't know why they support a football team at all. They'd be better off reading Accountancy Age at 3pm every Saturday instead.
SpuriousLife
28/01/2013 11:08:00
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Yiddyboy - that is a daft analogy. Hudderspur has no link to you so why should he send you money? However, if he had commited to support you and invest in you to improve your position and then refused to send you £500 what would you say? That is a far more accurate analogy.
SpuriousLife
28/01/2013 11:10:00
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Yiddyboy - what the hell are you on about? Firstly, Sky might pay the bills but how long do you think a club would last without any fans? Secondly, the money is there. Pleaes pleaes please do not buy into the fact that little old Tottenham are strapped for cash. We are amongst the richest clubs in the world, supposedly "backed" by a billionaire investor. Once again, i am not saying go out and spend £150m on players FFS, just buy a quality striker like we have needed for the last 4 years. Siggurdson is utterly garbage, dempsey once again missed a near open goal (ok he scored but still missed one a minute earlier), Defoe hasn’t scored in almost ten phucking games!!!! Helo, common sense, are you there, heeeellllooooo....
hudderspur
28/01/2013 11:10:00
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Collectively, our attitude was poor compared to Leeds fight. Caulker and Vertonghen are fantastic players, but agree, both were unusually very poor yesterday - it happens & I rate both highly, so am relaxed that such defending was a one off. However, breaking teams down (especially without Dembele) IS a REAL pROBLEM, as is SCORING goals. Hence, I take you back to the Summer Mr Levy, when your man, AVB clearly wanted two players (Moutinho & Willian) who may have resolved such issues. I can only assume he still does, so over to you Mr Levy. p.s. Hudd is also not the quality level we need and is one to sell (as AVB tried to in Summer). Chin Up, COYS.
Windlespur
28/01/2013 11:11:00
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Do some on here really want AVB to come out and say:.....................' well clearly Ade is a lazy & unproductive player who is now at ANC, Defoe is injured and so yes, we are absolutely desperate to secure a Striker before Thursday night. Hopefully the owners of the players we have in mind will not us this desperation to screw us on price & force me into a free SAha signing, but we will see'. Hoping & praying its a smokescreen & also hoping the likes of Jenas, Bentley, Hudd, Gomes are found clubs in next day or so. Optimistic, I know.
Windlespur
28/01/2013 11:19:00
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http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/schalke-confirm-sunday-night-tottenham-negotiations-to-finalise-e
coopsieyid
28/01/2013 11:24:00
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shedboy2 - I hear you but you don't subscribe to SKY for Spurs, you don't buy a Spurs newspaper. You don't even have to buy any of it and certainly Lewis and Levy are not holding a gun to your head to make to buy it. You like the rest of us CHOOSE to spend our money on media. Likewise Lewis CHOOSES when and when not to spend his money!
yiddyboy
28/01/2013 11:25:00
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Wind'...i'm seriously doubting...we will sign a Top quality striker before the deadline. BUT....i'm hopeing...after a dour draw vs Norwich...that Mr. Levy..has a Panic attack thursday and Does something extraordinary, for him......i.e...spends £20 mill'..in one day...on Football !!!....lol
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 11:27:00
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exactly windlespur, only harry though it a good idea to keep the media informed of his every thought and move, the fact remains that we have absolutely no idea what is going on behind the scenes
Guernman
28/01/2013 11:29:00
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Windle - No, AVB isnt going to say that, but is he just going to continue to say we are fine?? Because a one eyed mule could see we need a striker, and so can every other chairman in football. If i were the manager of spurs i would be openly saying we need a striker, it may uplift the price but it is a clear statment that im niot happy with the performnace. We average 15-20 shots per game, with 8-10 on target, but rarley score more than 2 goals. I am th only one that see's a problem? The other prblem is we have a squad of 25 plyers but lets b honest, 10 of them are just no where near good enough for spurs. I dont understand why AVB is getting slated for his "tactics", he can only work woth what hes got, if the players underpeform how is that his fault.
hudderspur
28/01/2013 11:30:00
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SpuriousLife - The analogy was to highlight the fact the we DON'T have to pay into Spurs. I'm with the majority that we need a top striker but I've also been banging on for years about Defoe not good enough yet some people keep defending him. It's all if's and but's, IF Dempsey and/or Ade was sitting on 15 goals each this season we'd all be sitting here not mentioning a new striker.

IF we buy Damaio and he's crap everyone come January next year will be demanding a world class striker, etc, etc...

What was the opinion of the majority of fans when we signed Rebrov or Bentley? Honest answer only!!
yiddyboy
28/01/2013 11:32:00
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how many more results like Leeds and QPR do we need to make a case for a 20 goal a season striker? If Defoe hits a winner at Norwich on Wednesday do we assume that this discussion will be swept under the carpet again or does Daniel Levy want us to start the January slide and not qualify for CL next season before he does something? CL revenue = money for a striker....but one cant come before the other, get us a striker that can keep us in the top 4 and that way he will have paid for himself..if we still dont get in the CL at the end of the season then at least we have a striker! or is life not that simple anymore?
OyVeh Maria
28/01/2013 11:34:00
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hudd'....i agree with the striking situation and what we are seeing (espec' last 8 prem' games and yesterday).........as for Avb...nope too young, too dour...not a tactical genius....lacks passion..it rubs off....not good !! BUT...all managers should be given one season.....and in my opinion...one year roll on contracts.
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 11:36:00
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hudd - of course you are not the only one who sees a problem. Where have you been the last four transfer windows & I can not see any benefit of AVB having an Arry type attitude in telling the world who we want, but yes, totally agree that I hope he agrees with us about needing a striker. See Shaktar have signed Taison, so maybe Willian is still an opportunity to unlock defenses in games like yesterday, Qpr etc etc.
Windlespur
28/01/2013 11:38:00
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Yiddy - If my auntie had balls.....the fact is ADE, Dempsy or Defoe havent been good enough (IMO they never were) so we need to act now. I must admit, i was all for signign ADE on a perm basis after last season, BUT knew we needed to sign another striker. The fact is, lets just be honest, we constatly go for the cheap option. Even my lass takes the pi$$ and calls us the budgie club......cheap cheap....
hudderspur
28/01/2013 11:40:00
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yiddyboy.....yes, i understand...but if Mr.Levy was to spend as we say.....and it fails. At least we can say..he and Avb tried.....and then blame the players. Imo...we started this season, at least two strikers short......Addy came..but no other. Surely.....a top manager should know 4 strikers in a 25 man squad is a absolute must, at the start of the season..............man.city / man.utd...and previously chelsea...never underestimated the english season.
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 11:41:00
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Harry makes me laugh, by the way i'm travelling all over Europe to look for players we are desperate, Harry's desperate for players Phuck it lets put a couple more million on top for that player they will pay it. Could never keep his gob shut. lol
Yido T
28/01/2013 11:42:00
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the notion that AVB is happy with the striker situation is clearly absolute bollox, of course he isn't and of course he has told the club as much. the question then remains why does he not complain about this to the media, well what is the point? harry did that because he always wanted to deflect blame, just as he is doing now, in his usual contradictory way highlighting how his QPR team were man for man much better than MK Dons before stating that he needs a lot of new players on the back of their defeat. thats fine if your only agenda is yourself. not so useful if you put club first. What about putting pressure on levy then ? but does it really put more pressure than AVB already is probably doing behind the scenes, isn't possible that absolutely everyone involved is trying to sort the striker situation out behind the scenes? it will not be easy, but spouting to the press does absolutely nothing for the situation other than provide AVB with a ready excuse when things go wrong and to make him appear to be the victim of an unambitious club. the fact is that AVB is damned site more classy than redknapp, he clearly wants to maintain a united front for the club and the squad and I am sure he is making his feelings clear where it matters. I, for one, prefer his approach
Guernman
28/01/2013 11:45:00
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Greg Stobart ‏@gstobart
Breaking News: Tottenham agree £1.5m Holtby fee with Schalke #THFC --> http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2892/transfer-zone/2013/01/28/3707025/tottenham-agree-15m-holtby-fee-with-schalke …

Greg Stobart ‏@gstobart
Holtby will sign a four-and-a-half year contract with the option of a one-year extension #THFC
coopsieyid
28/01/2013 11:46:00
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We lacked a leader in the defence....simple. All back four + Friedel, none of them have the leadership quality that we need. Gallas and Dawson DO tend to marshall and generally orgnanise the rear guard. The back four y'day was an ENTIRELY new look, never having played together with Friedel unsettling matters further.

The two problems that I observed were: 1) A usual very slow start by the team, taking too much for granted. Why, oh, why do we continue to do that?. We really need to start the games at full throttle and get an early goal. 2) There was just too much arrogance in the team, especially Bale. I know Ronaldo exhibits the same trait but he is still able to produce the goods. Bale really need to focus on his game rather than pretence/flambuoyance. Because as it stands, I doubt very much many teams will be looking to spend mega bucks on him.

The final thing that frustrated me just as much was AVB's post match interview. He admitted we started slow, but I don't recall him doing anything to rectify the situation in the first half and left it too late (until we were 2 down) to make a more radical tactical change. IMO, he should've been screaming for a change of attitude in the first half.

Anyway, water under the bridge and I would be satisfied if we can move on and demonstrate a mentality chage in the forthcoming fixtures. COYS!
Critical_Spur
28/01/2013 11:48:00
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Windle - I think Holtby is the alternative for Willian so i doubt we will see him in a spurs shirt mate. I don’t know what are scouts are doing TBH, one player who would perfect for spurs is Lorenzo Insigne at Napoli, plays as a striker but can operate as a left wing forward, 21 years old, Italian international. There also Ciro Immobile at Genoa, both would be available for less than 10m and would improve us. There’s another 100 strikers who we could reel off but nothing will happen.
hudderspur
28/01/2013 11:50:00
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critical spurs.....you hit the nail on the head...AVB...should have realised he had untried defence and been on his toes....if not right from the start.....at least not from 2-0 down. Oh well.......Holtby scores goals from midfield...let's hope that continues.
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 11:53:00
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hudderspur-spot on, post after post.are we still a big club? no not with enic and levy at the helm. We nearly got back to being one. so sad.
topspur53
28/01/2013 11:55:00
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BREAKING NEWS-schalke have accepted a bid for holty
ghulamville
28/01/2013 11:56:00
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Goal.com say Holtby has signed. £1.5million fee on a four and a half year deal with option of a further year...
Sebthespur
28/01/2013 11:58:00
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