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Holtby's early deal confirmed!

Tottenham have confirmed that Lewis Holtby has signed earlier than initially agreed, for a fee believed to be in the region of £1.5m.

22 year old Holtby is probably seen as a player to fill the void of Rafael Van der Vaart in the much missed creative role behind one striker and with that in mind, it perhaps seems strange that his early signature was first talked about following the loss of Sandro. However is there more to the urgency of his signing than is obvious to the major media outlets?

I have suggested that Holtby could potentially be seen as a viable alternative to Mousa Dembele in a deeper and more creative midfield role, and that seems reasonable as we still lack any viable alternative should Mousa again succumb to his hip or any other problem, though in certain circumstances, is there also a possibility that the pair could partner each other, even later in games when we are struggling to break down an opposition.

Though this partly fills me with dread, I have also considered that this is a move that indicates we have already given up on securing a new striker and/or that there is more to Jermain Defoe's injury than we have so far been informed. Holtby's arrival could increase options behind a main striker to allow Dempsey to push forward, but am I simply being alarmist?

A suggestion that we simply want to get him in early to have him settled for the start of next season, seems rather far-fetched, as you wouldn't assume he would struggle to adapt, as he obviously speaks the language and is used to England and the English, but also, can we seriously see Daniel Levy forking out such a sum of cash, just to help a player settle in early?

Obviously I am very happy to have Lewis Holtby as a Tottenham Hotspur player, however, I just have a niggling feeling that I am not yet in receipt of all the facts...




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Date:Monday January 28 2013

Time: 4:10PM

Your Comments

welcome! we may be beaten by Leeds; there's no champions league here, yet - but we are tottenham. COYS!
SpursWho
Well done coops and anyone else predicting the Holtby coming early signing! I must admit, i never thought we would pay more for someone coming on a free in summer. I wonder how much this move was due to losing a key midfielder though, rather than beefing up what we already had. Will this extra player be enough to cover midfield now? Time will tell but i say Yes. Will this stop people claiming Levy never spends money? Probably not. Welcome on board Lewis. COYS.
SpursOne2
I share your concerns OX. I don’t think we will be seeing any other players coming in this month, which IMO is criminal. There are so many decent strikers around who we could nab for under the 10m mark. What does surprise me is the lack of outs. I though the likes of Gomes, Bentley, Jenas would be on their way? Guess we are struggling to convince anyone to take them.
hudderspur
@SpursOne2... spending lunch money on Holtby should not be seen as a sign of intent by Levy, come on, really? On a happier note I spoke to mate who lives in Hamburg and supports Schalke... he said Holtby is the real deal, already good and only getting better. Let's hope he's right!
Cape Town Spurs
Reasonable player.......mostly left foot, but can use right foot. Sprays the ball about....puts himself where it hurts......and has a eye for goal. Potential to be a "scholes" type player.
82spursdebut
is he available for the norwich game .
ledleygomez
who in their right mind are going to take gomes, bentley & jenas on their wages? Sadly they'd rather sit and take the cash knowing its the highest they will ever earn, rather than leave to reignite their careers.
jimmy-yid
First off, glad he's in now. Yes, he is inconsistent as any young player is, but he certainly can play. You don't sit in the German U-21 just because, let alone be named its captain. He is a quality player. If this deal was available two weeks ago, I cannot fathom why we didn't do it then. Anyway, it's done. Presumably Hudd can now be moved. It does seem there is something at work in the striker department. I would really like to see, at a minimum, Son and either Hooper or Negredo. Belhanda would make me feel that we are fully covered in the middle and Willian would be the cherry on the cake and would pehaps get people off of this Levy and AVB don't agree malarky. Anyway, three days left after today so we still have lots of time. Focus needs to be on Norwich 100%. Any other deals should really not be announced until after that game. 3 points is a must. COYS
peterballb
No ledley, he won't. The deal is only agreed ATM.

Spuds-U-Like
This is the Levy olive branch to throw to the fans to "quell the natives", it will not matter unless we sign a forward who "doesn't need to go to Specsavers" to find the bloody goal, particularly now that Defoe is injured, or we dose him up with painkillers before every game until he finally breaks down, shades of Parker last season. Anybody who will "to take the risk" as AVB said on SSN, with 15 games to go, is either an incurable optomist, the epitomy of a "yes man", or an idiot, take your pick. Perhaps he got the job because there is no risk of him rocking the Levy boat.
Frank
Welcome Lewis. I am 100% sure that we will sign a srtiker, I just can't believe that AVB and Levy would be that stupid. I honestly can't.
ledgespur
CapeTown - no 1.5 on Holtby was no sign of intent on its own...but the 50m plus spent on 7-8 players has been. It indicates that the money recouped services player expenditure, and as long as we keep making profits on players like Modric, we will spend even more.
TonyRich
I understood that Jenas was injured, had surgery and was done for the year. Bentley, tere is interest, and any deal (which I doubt) would be subsidized by us. Gomes, there appears to be a fair amount of interest. Offload Hudd and Gomes and buy Son. COYS
peterballb
jimmy-yid, if it was you, wouldn't you want lots of money for doing nothing. They may never play again (although someone will have them on a free at the end of their contract), but they will never need to work again
In-spurs-ational
hudderspur - If we get rid of Gomes we need to replace him so no point getting rid. Goalkeeper is a specialized position and therefore a squad needs 3 keepers. If No 1 gets injured you still need 1 on the pitch and 1 on the bench.
Hot_Spur
Maybe Livermore or Thudd will leave on loan this window now we've got Holtby.
spurboy61
I know nothing of him. I have only seen the tapes ...I hope this is not an eBay deal! No Sale or Return on this one.... next match Norwich !will he be able to make his debut? If not what about West Brom? Next home match Newcastle.......he's small but so was Modric so I assume he is a ball player and has enough peripheral vision to play players into space....is he two footed, and does he have any pace? If he's playing the VDV role then he needs to work behind Defoe and Adebyour or is he going to play a Dembele roll with Parker, is he an alternative to Dembele? What formation will he be played in?........somebody fill in the gaps for me cos I dont know what his strengths are or what he will bring to the team
OyVeh Maria
So 1 in on Monday, 2-3 out on Tuesday. Nothing on Wednesday and frenzy on Thursday but we just miss the deadline and the £20m plus player remains just out of reach!
Wilts Spurs
Can't even put in a good word on a new signing that could be a quality player Frank? Jaysus.
Crissybwoy
Wilts Spurs, I hear it will be a £50m bid on a player who agrees terms but time runs out sorting out third party agreements.
In-spurs-ational
Glad we have signed a creative guy but WE REALLY NEED A STRIKER to put away all these chances we will create from Holtby Bale and Lennon
Wilts Spurs
Cape Town Spurs - Levy is backing AVB though right? It sounds like they worked for this deal...even if it was ashtray money ha. I wonder how much AVB pushed for this to happen? It’s a positive sign to me, if (AVB and CO think) think we NEED someone now, they will work at it. COYS.
SpursOne2
Peterb - I cannot see how Hudd can be moved on. Sandro out for season. Hudd not likely to be on high wage nor able to fetch decent fee right now. May as well keep unless Premiership loan happens...
TonyRich
I'm glad that Holtby is in, now we just need to secure a quality striker. Hopefully Holtby hits the ground running!
Fanman
Hudderspur, the reason we haven't shifted Bentley, Jenas, and Gomes is because we can't, they are all on money that few would match, and would refuse to lose money in any move. Particularly Bentley, and Jenas, both are idle ********s, who will sit on their arses until their contracts are up, and will go somewhere on a free with a signing on fee. I pity any club daft enough to take either on, they are both a waste of space, when fit, which is very seldom. Sorry Jimmy-Yid I hadn't read your post before typing mine.
Frank
Other that Obika, we have no current striker at all. Defoe and Adebayor out for now. Holtby in, but he's no striker. So: either we bring in a striker or two, or we play Siggy and/or Dempsey out of position and pretend they are strikers, or we move to a 4-6-0 or something similar that recognizes that we have no real striker. (Or we commit the near future to Obika?) Of these options, I'd opt for bringing someone in, or forgoing formations that assume playing a striker. Go for it with a 4-6-0. Full out training for it with Holtby playing a key role in the new formation. COYSS. Come on you striker-less Spurs!
Total knobhead
"Hopefully Holtby hits the ground running!" Fanman

Hopefully Holtby runs without hitting the ground. Stay on your feet, lad. Don't emulate those who hit the ground seeking penalties! Run, Lewis, Run.

Total knobhead
well, at the moment...we do not have enough firepower from the midfield...(dembele,parker,sandro,hudd')....thus, if he is to go straight in........who for ?...........Dembele and holtby, both favour their left foot.........Maybe..3 /5 / 2.....hhmmm
82spursdebut
Frank, what do you expect AVB to say? "Oh my God we desperately need a striker, I don't know what'll happen if we don't get one!?" Of course he's going to say that we're fine. Frank. Everybody knows that we need a striker. It is common knowledge.
Fanman
In my opinion, failing to buy striker now is not so stupid; kicking off the season with just Defoe and Kane on way out to loan WAS stupid... Then to pass window with just Defoe and Ade and Dempsey was ill advised... I am indifferent now about signing a striker now...
TonyRich
Total knobhead, lol. Hopefully he's like Modric with pace and a Podolski left-foot!
Fanman
Crissybwoy, unless we sign a striker, the signing of Holtby is a gesture nothing more, nothing less. With Fryers an Holtby we can't accuse Levy of not making signings, just not the one we need and have for 4 years and counting.
Frank
Look, if the keeper issue is a worry (no 3), 3.5M for Buttland and loan him back. He can be crecalled so it really is not a major issue. Archer has also been looking quite good by all accounts. Gomes sold brings in some cash and, more importantly, gets the wages off the books.

Hudd can be moved. We have Carroll who has, IMO, looked no worse and who I believe will be a very good MF. Belhanda is still that guy I'd go in for although Diame at 3.5M is not a bad buy either. His dribbling is really quite good for such an awkward player. He seems to me to be on the "lazy" side, but sometimes that is optics. Against QPR, he had their defence in tatters on a few occasions. He's tough and any injury issues seem to be a thing of the past. Hudd needs to be playing every day. He just won't be doing so for us. With us out of the FA cup our fixture list is ok. Parker and Dembele will be starting most games. Holtby is there, so is Carroll. We need someone else, but it can't be Hudd. He just loses his touch when he is not playing weekly and, for him, that is disastrous. COYS
peterballb
Total knobhead, if he hits the ground seeking a penalty, and he is good enough at it and gets em, that'll do for me, it's all about 3 points.
Frank
whats the latest on defoe
ghulamville
He still misses more than he scores
In-spurs-ational
TonyRich, if we don't sign a striker I'm going to go crazy.
Fanman
Holtby would be best behind a striker who could work off of him. I don't know if Dempsey is ideal, but if we play on the floor, it could work. If we're going to lump it up as we tried yesterday, it will be painful. Get Diame, sell Hudd. Sell Gomes, get in Son. COYS
peterballb
I feel this is a good signing courtesy of Levys bargain hunt. Would love to see a nnew striker! Is holtby available for Wednesday?
Yidash
My last comment was for ghulamville
In-spurs-ational
Frank, how is signing a German U-21 captain a 'gesture'? Seems like good business to me. Be grateful for what it is, you've been asking for a "lock-picker" since August and now we have one and it has made no difference to your view. Ever heard the Gil Scott Heron song with the words "just be thankful for what you've got"? It's a START, at least appreciate it for what it is, instead of skirting over his signing like it means nothing and makes no difference to the club.
Crissybwoy
in-spurs-ational, LOL
Guernman
Oh..for a Asamoah Gyan.....
82spursdebut
"With Fryers an Holtby we can't accuse Levy of not making signings, just not the one we need and have for 4 years and counting". Frank, YOU'VE been moaning for months about a lack of creative midfielder, and now Holtby "isn't one we need"? If we didn't need Holtby then why have you wasted much of time reading your yearning for a "lock-picker" (in your words), only to dismiss it when it happens. Unbelievable.
Crissybwoy
so long as he is a lock picker and not a nose picker...ha ha ha
ghulamville
Great news!
Tactically Challenge
peterballb, I don't think that Hudd will get anymore opportunities. To be taken off against a championship side is an insult, same goes for Sigurdsson, although he will get more opportunities. IMO he (Siggy) needs to stay closer to the goal, he's dropping too deep like VDV used to, where he's not effective. So far all of he best work has come when he's in and around the 18 yard box.
Fanman
He'll be PICKING his hair out supplying Defoe only for him to waste everything.
ledgespur
I hope he'll be a good signing for us but share the concerns already expressed on here many times regarding under investment given or supposed CL ambitions. I am however beginning to accept this. The club is punching above its financial weight right now. We've been the only club that has consistently challenged to gate crash the traditional PL top 4 without foreign billions and we should be proud of that. Given the latest financial results for the club, the wider global financial situation and the impending need to fork out a few hundred million on a new stadium I think we may need to forget the marquee signings and manage our expectations for a decade or so. In order to achieve our aims we will have to get used to developing our youth players picking up young prospects like Holtby on the cheap as well as selling our best players when interest comes along without replacing them with players of equal value (see Modric last year and Bale this summer). This may seem like a gloomy view but at least its an improvement on the gloomy days of Sugar’s chairmanship; a tenure that put us so far back we’ve been playing catch up for the last 12 years. We need a bigger stadium to compete. Simple as that. The only way we can get up there quicker is to hope for a foreign billionaire of our own but I’m not sure I want that anyway. All things being equal I honestly think that we’ve reached a peak as a club and can’t progress any more without further revenues. If we get CL its a bonus but don’t expect to stay there. Levy and more importantly Joe Lewis have already proved in the 10/11 season that CL will not provoke further investment in order to stay there. The myth that there was money to spend but they simply didn’t want to give it to Harry has been debunked this season. The best thing we can hope for is maintaining PL status whilst the new stadium is built and paid for. For those who think this is ridiculous look at Villa. They were where we are now only 4 seasons back and are a sign of how bad it can get once costs are cut. Lets hope and pray for a fully developed new stadium built and paid for in 10 years time together with a proven youth development and continued PL status. Then and only then will we be able to push on in the way we wish we could now
gyromancered
fan'..yes, agree ....just a matter of time for hudd'...and siggy' hhmmm....utility,at best.
82spursdebut
I am excited about holtby, however a striker we need if we want to progress further, yes Defoe is a good striker but we have had him around 8 years and he has never been consistent for a whole season, we need to raise are attacking options to compete in the champs league, our midfield now with holtby is one of the best in the league, we have a world class keeper and defence is young and will only improve, I think a negredo or soldado would be an upgrade on Defoe but we need a higuain/Hernandez/dzeko type of player who are good all round and are European standard! As for the prem,are them is definitely good enough for top 4 but only when we are not complacent, if we beat Norwich and west brom it will show we have the right mind set as we are by far more superior, anything less will be disappointing !
Yidash
Great news and I am left wondering which event pulled the trigger. Why would Levy spend cash in anyone he could get for free 6 months later ?? Fear of losing CL again or an angry AVB knocking furiously on his dor ?? In any case, I don´t take Holtby in as a clear indication that Spurs are not chasing a striker...after all, today is still 28th of january.
AlexSpur
I've sussed what's going on here, AVB, master tactician that he is, is going to play Holtby in Dembele's position, so he can be a striker. Genius.
Love totty
Dembele....a striker....not for me, not two footed enough.
82spursdebut
Tongue-in-cheek, 82
Love totty
but double d's..usually do the trick..(dembele and dempsey)...lol
82spursdebut
82spursdebut, agreed. Siggy is utility, but I think that Hudd just needs to be moved on. He's had long enough to prove himself.
Fanman
Don't forget poor old JD.
Love totty
gyromancered, I don't know that there is not money to be spent. If we added Son, Holtby, Belhanda, Willian, Negredo or Hooper (just as an example) we would not really be in any issue with respect to wages. Sell Hudd, sell Gomes and there's 2 salaries off the books and 8M or so in cash. Jenas, Gallas and Bentley could all be off in the summer, so we'd have freed up sufficient to cover most of the salaries. If BAE extends, I can see Rose being sold. If Bale stays and we have Willian and Son along with Lennon, Townsend would be sold (or Pritchard gets snapped up by Liverpoool and we get our fee). If Son, Willian and Negrdo/Hooper are scoring it means that players like Defoe or Dempsey could be sold. The fact is, if we signed all 5 that I would like, th salaries will be a short term issue, but will not be an issue as of the summer. There will then be senior players who will be surplus to requirements and their sales would, on the back end, retroactively fund the deals I mention. TV deal will give 20M more to each EPL club next year. Spend it now spend it later. It will be spent. If we get top 4 and qualify for the group statges, that's another 20-30M. I reckon that the outlay of 45-50M (what I believe it would all cost) could be paid off in sales of surplus players plus the TV money, whether we make CL or not. Just my view. Son is a no brainer. If he succeeds it could be a huge boon for us and for UnderArmour in the South Korean communities. Hong Kong in the summer seems a pretty decent platform. COYS
peterballb
I’m amazed at the opinion commonly held on here that Levy is somehow expecting CL with ENIC’s current financial outlay. The reality is that unless we pull out a surprise or two before the window closes we are most unlikely to get CL Football; its not impossible but unlikely. I don’t think Levy’s a fool. I think he knows this and privately regards CL Football as a bonus, not a necessity. Sure the public rhetoric from the club may be more positive than that but I suspect he’s fully aware that CL qualification from a selling club ( I define a selling club as a club that gets more from player sales than player purchases and by that reckoning we are one) is most unlikely. We may sit 4th at the moment but we’ve been here before. Our lack of squad depth has failed us in the past and, unless we get extremely lucky both in terms of limited injuries to our own players and few key injuries to our rivals’ players we are likely to fall short again. We don’t even have the cushion we had at this time of the season last year. Look around the club. Everything about it points to a ten year plan; improved attention to youth development, new training facilities, new stadium. Levy knows that this is the only true way to get Spurs truly competitive again. The money required to enable us to push on now to obtain the sort of players we need is either unavailable or he is simply unwilling to invest it. We should enjoy the ride for now. Acknowledge we’re punching above our weight and that CL qualification would be an unlikely bonus, even from here. With Arsenal with debts paid and apparently £70M to spend and an improving Liverpool, they are showing a willingness to improve and invest, we may have to get used to taking a few steps backwards before we can move forward. Even if we did get CL football this year Levy has shown form in the past in not using the improved status and revenues it provides to invest. In the near future expect more star players to leave than arrive. If we can used to this reality perhaps we can just enjoy the good times for what they are rather than wish for immediate sea changes in the clubs transfer policy which is most likely never gonna happen until we can afford it. Ie new stadium
gyromancered
Fanman, I like Hudd but he needs to be moved on. He needs to play every day, which won't happen with us. Sell him, put the money (along with whatever we can get for Gomes) towards Son. Next piece. COYS
peterballb
I haven't done the sums, but the stadium brings costs as well as revenue. CL football brings profit from gates, UEFA, TV and global merchandising. That has to be the goal, unless like our strikers they can't see it.
Love totty
"Total knobhead, if he hits the ground seeking a penalty, and he is good enough at it and gets em, that'll do for me, it's all about 3 points," Frank.

Oh Frank, Frank, Frank. Don't be such a literalist, mate. I just couldn't resist going after the expression "hitting the ground running." God, that would hurt.

Total knobhead
peterballb You defend the indefensible .. ...Players have their chances & their`s only so many you can give ,it`s up to them to take.
Don`t see how a player not getting enough games is the clubs fault .& not the player himself by getting the time but not impressing ,or doing enough with it .
It`s a dog eat dog world ,cease your opportunity or fall by the wayside .It`s up to them ,they want it they have to earn it & work hard for it
big cockeral
gyromancered, ENIC have said that the other projects (training facilities, stadium etc) will not impact on spending. History under ENIC shows that net transfers will balance out and that salaries will be no more than 70% of revenues. We are not a selling club. We are a club that understands that we do not have the resources of ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Arsenal. But we can compete. There is a price for every player and Carrick, Berbatov, Keane and Modric were all sold for amounts north of our record transfer in amount. We buy most of our players from teams that are poorer situated than we are. So, does that not make us a buying club but for about 15 or 20 other European clubs that have higher revenues. It's all relative. The new stadium will help, but by how much? Will we get the corporate sponsors like Arsenal did? Will we get their level of a naming rights deal? Best success will be achieved through playing in Europe, succeeding in Cups and being in it for the title. Not for a couple of years, but for decades. That's how you surpass Arsenal and catch Liverpool. Eventually Chelsea and City will implode. They will come back to earth. We need to continue to progress. CL should be the only priority this season. COYS
peterballb
"Total knobhead, if he hits the ground seeking a penalty, and he is good enough at it and gets em, that'll do for me, it's all about 3 points," Frank.

Oh Frank, Frank, Frank. Don't be such a literalist, mate. I just couldn't resist going after the expression "hitting the ground running." God, that would hurt.

Total knobhead
fan'...sos'...i meant...matter of time for hudd' to be moved on. Ideally now...or asap.
82spursdebut
peterballb, agreed. Not sure why you like Hudd though?
Fanman
Peterballb. I appreciate your reasoning and, as a fan, wish that something like that could happen. I just don’t think it will. Our net transfer spend in recent years has generally either been breaking even or turning over small profits, even when we made CL. The investments that have been made in the club in this time have generally been in infrastructure rather than playing staff. In the summer I expect most of the new TV money to be invested in the stadium. I expect Bale to sold with some money being invested in a striker and the rest invested in the stadium. Much as I’d love to think we’d start making a net investment in players again I simply don’t think we will - not out of any desire to be pessimistic but purely based on how the board have behaved in recent years. Even with the additional TV money I can’t see the club suddenly changing its mindset and investing a significant net spend on new players, especially as they’re about to embark on the most expensive infrastructure project in the club’s history. I anticipate that the board will continue to seek to at least break-even in transfers over the coming years and suspect they hope to turn over profits. They’ll invest in youth but don’t expect regular investment in established players. Would LOVE to be proved wrong on this.
gyromancered
jd.....now that's going down in size....i think !!..lol
82spursdebut
82spursdebut, agreed. If we can get any sort of fee for him we should take it. Maybe Harry will give him a go?
Fanman
BigC, if you have ever been out for a year with injury (I was out for 15 months), you do not just pick up where you were. It takes lots of time on the pitch in games. Hudd does not depend on raw power. It's all finesse. Touch is the hardest thing to regain. You can just see he is not comfortable on the ball. It's like Obika getting slammed yesterday. Whenwas the last time he played a PL game at PL speed? He has 4 Cup appearances for Spurs, only 1 of which was a start (in 2008). What level of form were people dreaming of? Two players dove in to block his attempt - desperation? No, he's too slow. Defoe has 1 goal in his last 30 plus shots playing at this level every day. Come on. It smacks of the same, Pav got lots of chances. Look at all the appearances. 3 minutes here, 5 minutes there is nowhere near the same as starting and finishing games. Yet Pav scored as often, per 90 minutes as Defoe.

You are right though, it is a dog eat dog world and I have repeatedly said that Hudd needs to be sold for his own good. He will not get the playing time with us to get his touch back. Simple as that. He wasn't subbed yesterday because he was poor. He was subbed to get Dembele in to push the ball up the gut quicker. Simples. COYS
peterballb
Sounds like a fair assessment, gyro. Makes sense as a medium risk business model after years of being stung by bad decisions (fortunes for players and managers who didn't make the grade). I don't like it, though. There is the chance that AVB has decided to give Obika a chance to make the grade until Ade comes back. If that's the case, fair enough, we haven't seen enough players come thru. But, once again it seems a big risk and seems daft not to speculate on getting a proven player in when we're not such a long way off pushing for 3rd spot. I don't know if AVB is being backed enough, that's my main concern. As always, I'll be glad when this ******** windows over and we can get on with the football. COYS!
DocHotspurs
Chelski are going for Butland. We have missed that boat. I said months ago that he would be the 'keeper to understudy Lloris, but as usual, Levy didn't listen to me. LOL
chrishove123
Fanman, I like Hudd's no nonsense style of play. he tackles, he gets fouls, he gets fouled, he just gets on with it. Yellow card, just gets on with it. He does what he can for the cause. Has played CB and looked pretty good doing so. No he's not fast, but he is, IMO, quick enough. When his touch is on he can be brilliant at corners and free kicks and when he catches the ball, there is no one who can hit it harder. He needs to play every day though and we cannot afford to allow him to work through his touch issues. He needs to go somewhere else and I expect he will, after a month or so in the lineup, start looking like the player he can be. He and Modric, neither of whom are fast or known as great tacklers, did a fantastic job closing down a porous centre of the park. His long passing with players like Bale and Lennon could be lethal. There are few who have demonstrated the long passing ability he has shown in the past. He is just not in form. He should go. I'll wish him every success except when he plays us. COYS
peterballb
chrishove123, Butland was valued at about 10M a year ago. Now they just want to get 3.5M. They are desperate. Losing to Leeds in the FA Cup was a killer blow to them. They still have not recovered from financial mis-management when they were in the big show. COYS
peterballb
gyromancered, there will not be a net investment on players unless it is costed on a worst case scenario basis. And so it should be. My suggestion, even at a worst case scenario, does not leave us exposed in any way. Most of our players can be sold on the wages they are on. Those who can't will soon be out of contract. What I propose affects salaries for 6 months max. After that, it's covered. IMO, the risk, is worth it, in this instance. If the numbers need to be lower, get in Son, Castaignos, and Diame. There, under 20M and huge savings on salary. Get Townsend and Pritchard in save on the wingers. Or, go in for Dzagoev instead of Willian. Lots of options. The less expensive ones tend to come with more risk but I have no doubt that Son, Diame and Castaignos could do a job. COYS
peterballb
Maybe so but like I said we have missed out on someone who WILL be world class and would have been THE one to get in as understudy to Lloris. But that is all speculation now as it was when I first mooted the subject on here ages ago. Just wait until he replaces Cech and see how bloody damn good he becomes. It was blatantly obvious back then as is now that we weren't going to go after him. Oh well back to the drawing board eh.
chrishove123
I quote......Lewis Holtby article; "With his attributes – passing, vision, technique on the ball – Holtby slots nicely into the role Clint Dempsey has been playing so far this season. While the American has made a few telling contributions this year, he’s never looked natural in the role and struggles to effectively knit the attack and midfield. Holtby is infinitely more comfortable with the ball at his feet, and has a better appreciation of the game around him – and subsequently Tottenham should look a lot more fluid in that area. For the sake of flexibility, he could probably also swap positions with Mousa Dembele as needs must – or possibly drop-in alongside a more defensive-minded midfielder as part of a 4-4-2, but that advanced midfield role is probably where he’ll be at his best. Villas-Boas likes to have a player floating off the forward line, and Holtby is the guy for that job. If you haven’t seen him play before, then don’t just jump on YouTube and make a snap-judgement – he’s the kind of midfielder who you have to watch across 90 minutes to get a true sense of. He’s not really comparable in ability or nature to Luka Modric, but there are some similarities in the way he uses the ball – he’s a subtle and cultured footballer." .......So there you go, we have a Wunderkid ....cant wait to see him make his debut at West Brom, I might just get myself a ticket to the Hawthorns!
OyVeh Maria
chrishove123, that was supposed to be Loach and Lewis before that. Keeper is a very tough position to project. Hart was not supposed to be number 1 at City. De Gea was supposed to be the bees knees. A lot has to do with confidence and with the players in front of you. Cech is fabulous. After him they have nothing. He gets injured and they are done. COYS
peterballb
peterballb tells us... "CL should be the only priority this season." Easy to say that after we are out of both domestic cups to lower league sides right pete? So don't you fancy the Europa now pete? Changed your tune? But hang on a second, is that not what Harry told us all last season, that "CL should be the only priority this season"... And he got slaughtered on here by the Enic mob. A year on the president of the Canadian Enic fan club is copying Harry's exact words? Well almost Harry did not say "CL should be the only priority" like Pete, Harry said "CL should be the priority this season."Incredible! Well as we know Harry kept to his word last season, and delivered us that top 4 and official CL qualification spot as promised! But of course the cruel hand of bad Enic karma hit our club again... Food poisoning, Mendes from the half way line, CFC win the CL whilst coming in 6 and Harry becomes the 1st coach in the history of European football that does not go into the CL after qualifying. We don't get much luck with this Enic mob around. But anyway... Peter has informed us that we have a better team/squad than last season, so AVB should have no problems getting us top four! Unless of course, the curse of Enic strikes again? What do you reckon Pete???
pelebro
peterballb, sorry, but I just don't see what you see in Huddlestone. He's had plently of time to get his touch back, he trains everyday! For me the problem isn't his touch, his all around game is poor. He's slow, can't run with the ball can't turn and isn't a great tackler. He's big, but he's easily brushed off the ball. How can you say that he wasn't subbed because he was poor? Not being able to move the ball quickly means means that he's poor. There could of been other reasons, how do you know what's going on in AVB's head? Usually, a player getting subbed means that they are playing poorly when its like for like. Come on man Hudd is useless. He had his chance this season when Dembele was injured, what did he do, nothing... The quicker he's no longer an option for us the better IMO.
Fanman
Looking forward to seeing what we can do. There's no way that we've signed him simply for the purposes of settling in. There's no change in climate for him, he's half English and plays in a relatively similar league. He's been signed to play, no doubt about it. Still need a striker though and as much as Villas Boas has talked about being able to cope with the ones we have, there's no doubt in my mind that he'll be disappointed in Adebayor so far and Defoe cannot be relied on for consistency. He has hot streaks but once his form dips he finds it difficult to hit another purple patch in the same season. I also realise that Adebayor has been playing perhaps slightly deeper, but he's just not been with it at all. He's only had 23 shots at goal in 14 appearances. He's not going to score a lot shooting one and a half times a game!
Bernio Villas-Spuras
gyromancered, i appreciate your posts but think that there is room to be more positive. you are right that we cannot compete financially with the big five, nor will the odd CL appearance change that in any way shape or form. The investment in AVB and the training facility suggests a long term approach to squad development and bringing through young players. holtby is potentially a great example of that. We need better scouting for sure. I believe that ENIC will try and finance the stadium separately from the first team, it is the approach they have advocated publicly. We do spend and will continue to within our constraints, wages are the big issue and they will continue to be around 70% of turnover. CL one year does not really change our revenues, the stadium will but that will take time. But Levy continues to increase revenues in other ways, so our wages will continue to rise incrementally and all this will help. This was an interesting read http://www.ltwmag.com/news/latest_news/tottenham_hotspur_partner_with_velocity_brand_management.aspx perhaps signing son would be a great move on the back of this too, who knows. The game changer for us is not so much CL but the possibility that city or chelsea lose a sugar daddy
Guernman
Crissybwoy, of course we have needed a lock picker and hopefully Holtby is that player, he is a good signing, but once you pick the lock, we have no one to turn the door handle, it's no good signing Laurel unless you sign Hardy as well, it is both that are equally required, we should now create more chances in tight games, but who is going to finish them. Don't forget Defoe is apparently injured and has been playing through pain for several games, Adebayor, if his performances for Togo are anything to go by, yes I know he scored, but his general enthusiasm and energy suggests he is still just going through the motions, as he has all season, so he is not the answer, a new striker is desperately needed. Surely Levy has noticed that we have dropped 10 points with WBA, Norwich, Stoke and Man U all at home, and QPR away, all games where we had overwhelmingly more possession, and shots, than the opposition, but could only draw. A decent finisher would have certainly given us a better chance of turning those draws into wins.
Frank
As for the Holtby deal... It stinks of Daniel Levy bargain basement! Imagine Levy being the big hard chairman bully boy, with the Schalke chairman, knowing he's got Holtby on a 'FREE' in the summer? "Ill give you 500,000 euro take it or leave it!" 3 and of half weeks of hardcore penny pinching negotiations later... Levy announces... "£1.5m, take it or leave it!" The Schalke chairman reluctantly agrees... Major celebration in the THFC board room with Joe Lewis on skype! "We won the cup, we won the cup" Danny boy screams to uncle Joe! "Good business my boy. Very nice piece of business my son!" "Now big the Kraut up, and sale him on"...
pelebro
Huddlestone was brilliant in Martin Jol's era because we relied on getting the ball from back to front as quickly as possible. We played a skilful long ball game if you like. Under AVB we seem to be missing someone with a decent head on their shoulders to slot a ball through in tight areas. From what I've seen of Holtby, he seems to know what to do with the ball before it's even passed to him. He thinks two steps ahead and for me, all we need now is an intelligent runner off the ball who can have that telepathy going on. For me Defoe's movement isn't particularly great and Adebayor's is non-existent. Someone like Falcao would obviously be ideal but impossible as he's one of the best in world football, but thinking along those lines, how about Roberto Soldado? He seems to have slipped under the radar somewhat, perhaps in an Antonio di Natale fashion. Valencia are completely cash strapped at the minute, so it's surely worth an effort.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
pelebro, I suggest you start properly quoting. At no point have I stated we are a better squad. We are most certainly a better "team" and we are, IMO, deeper as players have been played instead of ignored. If you correctly quote me you would have seen that I have said at all times that every game is the number 1 priority, but that one eye must always be on the League. I think all cups are valid and worthwhile, unlike Harry and many posters on here. I do not disregard the winning of the CC with an inferior team as many on here do. To give it credence would require giving Ramos some credit. I have repeatedly said that all cups have an element of luck. One bad day at the office can turf you from any cup competition. One bad day in the League is just one of a 38 game marathon. The entire season we were in the CL I stated that, after qualifying for the group stages, the only priority should have been the League. You dress your best XI every time out (given strategy, fitness, and the next League game). As for Bad ENIC karma, I wish my house were appreciating at the rate that Spurs is. We didn't get CL because Harry didn't rotate, didn't practice set pieces and basically let his worn out players go out and have a runabout. How far were we in front of Arsenal at this time last season? We didn't get CL because we performed for a third of the season like a relegation team, just as the year prior. We have a better manager, a better team ethos, but we are young, and players like Modric and VDV are still being replaced. And, once again, it's Peter, but then you knew that too. Please quote me correctly or don't bother. I will not waste further time on you. There are those that get it and those that don't. Those who get it you don't need to explain, those who don't it's not worth explaining it to. I am not referring to your opinions on Spurs. They are as legit as any others. Whether I agree or not is irrelevant. I refer to your complete lack of general respect to fellow Spurs fans on these boards. Have a good one. COYS
peterballb
i beleive he is part of the jigsaw... Just one more to go..


..................THE STRIKER - NEGREDO..................
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....BALE................HOLTBY...................LENNON....
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............DEMBELE.................PARKER...................
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...BAE.........VERTS..........KABS/CAULK....WALKER..
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Yidmarks
Bernio Villas-Spuras, I don't ever remember Hudd bing brilliant? He scored a few goals for us and made a few nice passes, but he's hardly been brilliant. I remember how poor he was under Ramos, when we lost 4-1 to Birmingham. I think that having him as an option means we might actually play him, that's dangerous. AVB thought that he might be able to play well in CM against Leeds, but he wasn't even good enough for that! I certainly hope that he succeeds, but not with us.
Fanman
Re:Hudd...used to love the guy. But his great passing a la Hoddle has gone.His shooting has also gone.He is slower and was a liability yesterday when he had a chance t prove his worth.Someone has mentioned Carroll and ObikaNeither are good enough.Carroll is very pretty but so lightweight and is a sideways passer (Vinny Samways clone).Also he never scores.Obika had a great chance like Hudd to step up yesterday but sadly he was anonymous and fluffed his one attept on goal.Siggy is a bench player and is yet to score and show he can even score.Dempsey has improved but despite his well taken goal yesterday he is not a front man.We had no one striking yesterday.Defoe is hot and cold but I'm sure we would have won with him.Their defence had a holiday yesterday and thier young full back was not pressurised with Bale and Lennon trying their silly swaps.So that leaves us with the much needed striker.....surely there is someone out there.Just watch the groans if we pick up a last minute freebie/cast off! How old is Gregor Rasiak now?
wentworth
still think we can play the Barca way with a 4 man attacking line of..

..BALE.....WILLIAN......HOLTBY.....LENNON.....
Yidmarks
The gullibility of those relying on Levy or ENIC to do anything of note in yet another dull transfer window is becoming tedious. To ignore the necessity for a striker borders on the insane if there is to be any hope of Champions League football, and a 4th place open-top bus parade down the High Road.
lordjohnny
Aspas, Castaignos could both be had for less than 8M. Son probably for about 10M. There's three strikers for under 20M all of whom are young. I could tolerate them going 1 in 8 with over 30 shots much more than watching out 30 year olds do so. COYS
peterballb
peterballb Having been a 'keeper for so long I find it pretty easy to see who is and who isn't going to be a good 'keeper. I say Butland WIOLL be world class, the only way he won't be is if he is screwed up by the club he goes to. I never rated De Gea as world class. Very good in patches and pulls of great shot stops but world class no, Lloris on the other hand is going to get better as time goes on. Also THAT is why chelski are going after Butland because they can see in him what I can see and they are no mugs. Like I said we missed a trick there BIG TIME, just you wait and see.
chrishove123
By the way, Huddlestone was never any good. He was like Hoddle, but without the skill, passing, scoring, but with the heading and tackling. But then again, so was I.
lordjohnny
wentworth, I'd rather have Krancjar than Siggy. Harry just ostracized him, and he brought him to the club, he did the same thing with Pienaar. I remember his great performance when we beat City 3-0 at WHL. He was Ginola esque. Siggy is very raw, and has time to develop, but I don't think that he'll ever be as good as Krancjar. Just my opinion though.
Fanman
Great signing for spurs but its kinda like having a flat tyre so you fit a spoiler, It looks flashier and everyone will admire it but it doesn't really solve your problem - we need a striker!!!
Slurms McKenzie
Oh so your changing your Enic tune again now Pete. Withdrawing your "CL should be the only priority this season." statement... So you want to win the Europa now Pete? And now your back on blaming Harry for not getting us top 4 and the CL, after he got us top 4 and the CL last season Pete? Of course you will all be very happy if AVB gives us top 4 and the CL this season. Unless of course the cruel hand of Enic Bad karma strikes again and Arsenal finish 6th and win the CL??? But you won't be blaming AVB for that, if that piece of tragic bad luck happens again, will you Pete?
pelebro
Anyway, with the wages he's on we better develop Siggy, he's not going anywhere!
Fanman
Holtby has been brought in early because of Sandro Levy hand was forced.

If we don't get a striker than that will be criminal after last season and the fact that we haven't had that prolific striker for some time now.

Most problematic is moving Gomes, JJ, Hudd, Bentley on. JJ is injured so doubt we will move him on now until summer. Bentley too much wages and Hudd may be kept as he is probably not on high wages and AVB may feel it is best to keep his as emergency especially with Dembele hip and Parker's age but expect Livermore to go out on loan.

Wouldn't take much notice of what AVB says or any manager as they all play their cards close to their chest or talk a load of rubbish it is part and parcel of the transfer window. we have to just wait until it is over to know the facts.
thfan
Can't be seen as anything other than good news. Any proven striker would be a good/essential addition to the squad, even if he is only proven in the Scottish league.

Anyone got any ideas on Holtbys real value i.e. if he still had 4 years left on his contract?
T.H.F.Chris
welcome lewis hope your not the last signing of the window
finglasyid
Fanman..I really rated Krancjar.Super skills and a delight to watch.ut ever stood a chance with Harry.
wentworth
Am I the only one sick of all this "ENIC mob" crapola? Can Pelebro please confirm whether he does or doesn't like Levy/ENIC, because I'm not sure where he stands on this.

Good grief. Enough.

Spuds-U-Like
Slurms McKenzie, your analogy re. the tyre and the spoiler is superb, and so applicable to our owner/driver.
Frank
pelebro, your contributions are as always as eloquent as they are erudite, what a veritable treasure you are to this forum
Guernman
who was it that said his mate had told him we'd taken 1.4m out of the bank the other day...looks to have been about right....I wonder if we really do have 67m on deposit??
shedboy2
wentworth, agreed. Harry messed up with him.
Fanman
Hopefully he'll just slot in straight away...won't give him time to get nervous....perhaps better when they are young...
shedboy2
So Holtby is a mercurial midfielder, passer extraordinaire, and can cover for the injured Sandro. I'm surprised he only cost £1.5 million. Perhaps his goalkeeping isn't up to scratch.
lordjohnny
Interesting how Everton have today spent £8.5m on a strong tackling, hard running midfielder. Lots of people on here were saying that Everton were skint earlier this week now they've spent more than we're likely to in this window. Is it irresponsible or a chairman showing some ambition and recognising how important it is to be in the CL. I hope Levy notes the irony.
SpuriousLife
Ive hear that Tottenham may visit for a game in NZ in July I hope its true it will get huge profile here and there are plenty of Spurs fans here as welland being played possibly in Wellington the weather wont feel any different to home for the players I hope it happens.
Uskok
LJ- He's a fantastic keeper...just need the shots to be low...:).why worry about a keeper we made our decision Brad number 2 and I'm sure we can re-call Archer if needs must..
shedboy2
Glad to have him in now, hopefully he will make a positive impact. We badly need that striker though. At the moment we are like a dairy farm with no cows. Nice comments by Gyromancered earlier, agree with a lot of that.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Lordjohnny, the thing that really annoys me about Hudlestone is his lack of fire and passion. When you are as big as him, other midfielders in the PL should be addressing him as "sir", if he applied his physical advantages properly, in tackling and battling he should frighten opponents to death. I know he is as slow as *********s, and his turning circle rivals that of a fully laden oil tanker, but it's his lack of passion and fire that just pi$$es me off.
Frank
Guernman, yes I am so eloquent that I had to look up the words erudite, veritable on the old thesaurus to find out what they mean... ;) And to my great surprise one of the synonyms for veritable is kosher! Is that why every one calls Spurs the yids?
pelebro
Agreed Frank-He appears the perfect example of the modern day player, and seems to give the impression that any loss will at most mean a shrug of the shoulders, then off to Faces in Ilford.
lordjohnny
julian draxler was the player from schalke who we should have targeted,not holtby. to be honest i ave been following this kid ever since the hoo hah about him choosing germ over eng,cant say i ve been that impressed,which leads me to believe its a cash making scheme,i hope to god i m proved wrong
ghulamville
Spuds-U-Like, Oh come on, someone has to try and counter balance peterballb's 200 plus fanatical pro Levy/enic posts a day! But it's proving impossible. The guy is relentless in his Enic (hopefully paid) mission! ;)
pelebro
We just need to be careful with Hudd. We've been here before where we have what we think is a good player. After a while they're out of the side and next comes the derisory offer from another club which we turn down. After that comes the loan to try and get them back in the spotlight which normally ends in tears when they get injured and head back to Spurs. Finally, they have devalued so much that they can no longer get a move as the teams at their level can't afford the salary. I'm not sure it will be easy to shift Hudd if we make that decision. As a luxury player, most struggling clubs in the Prem will avoid and the top clubs won't want him.
muttley
SpuriousLife, I think some teams are spending their 20M increase in EPL funds next season. Everton doesn't need to worry. They are well run. Their wages are low and they keep up so there is little risk. It puts them about 8M in the hole on transfers and adds to their wage bill. It's a small gamble. It's not like they are throwing 25M at CL. They'll have a go. Where it is difficult for us, it is doubly so for them. We need to look at catching Chelsea. I think Everton would expect Arsenal to get in front of them and Liverpool's form in the league has been pretty good of late. We'll see. COYS
peterballb
i think peterball works in some sort of capacity for enic
ghulamville
muttley, there was interest in Hudd in the summer and there will be interest going forward. Fulham springs to mind as a potentially good fit. It does need to be resolved sooner rather than later as we are doing ourselves no favours sitting him. Between Parker, Dembele, Holtby, Dempsey, Sigurdsson, Livermore (who I would loan to QPR if Harry will play him) and Carroll we should be ok. Add Belhanda and I think we are covered. If too rich, Diame. Before all that though, Son would be nice. COYS
peterballb
I have no financial interest in the club whatsoever. I am not a shareholder. COYS
peterballb
I don't think bringing forward lewis joining has anything to do with Sandro being injured, more in keeping the shower of shi7 produced yesterday. Dembele was expected to change the game, but that was wrong, he should have started. One more note a striker will be at this club come thursday, who i don't know but many irons are in the fire; Diame well 3.5m give them some money and hundred-stone at least Diame can run
spu 4 life
Listening to the start of 5 live they were about to discuss the effect a mid season transfer can have on the dressing room. They are apparently now looking at a players psychological make up before signing them. It made me wonder why they didn't do that with Ade. many on here realised his potential to drop off when in post and getting his salary. I hope Holtby will be a good addition to the dressing room!!!
Big Ron
I hope you appreciate the sarcasm pelebro. I am all for arguing opinions, thats what forums are for, but your personal attacks on peterballb have no place here. we supposedly all support the same team, I wouldn't treat an arsenal supporter with the disrespect you show fellow forum members.
Guernman
Based on figures recently discussed during a Sky live game transmission, Everton are £47M in debt. Their owner Bill Kenwright, to his eternal credit, does his best to back David Moyes as well as he can, with his personal funds bearing no comparison whatsoever to the billionaire owners around him (including Bahamas Joe). Luckily for Everton he is a fan, he cares, and much like Coates at Stoke City, and Ashley at Newcastle, he is not adverse to investing his own money attempting to keep his team competitive, and backing his manager.
Frank
Didn't Huddlestone fail a medical at Stoke in the summer, I could be wrong but I think I read it at the time. Spu 4 life, I sincerely hope you are right re. the striker, I have got to the stage where Hooper would do, he might prove to be an upgrade on what we have.
Frank
spu4life, I have to agree with you that a striker is on the way. There is no point bringing in Holtby if this were not the case. He is ideal as the player behind a striker in a 4-5-1, essentially a VDV replacement. If it is just to be to play behind the pelvically injured Defoe, I, see no purpose in him coming in now. VDV, Berba, Keane, Crouch, Pav, Bent, Dempsey, Ade all have issues linking up with Defoe. He rarely plays on the shoulder of the last defender any longer so I just don't see it. Perhaps behind Dempsey (less than ideal, but at least he can work with a partner).

ghulam, I too like Draxler, though Holtby is leading the league in assists. He is inconsistent, but that's what you get from kids. Draxler usually looks a cut above. Sometimes he looks pretty poor. Of the two, at this time, Holtby is the one who will have more of an impact in our squad. COYS
peterballb
Whatever the reason for Holtby arriving early and let's be honest here. Most of us realise that the only reason the money was spent to get him in now was due to the injury and subsequent surgery undergone by Sandro. Had Sandro remained fit, Holtby would be coming in during the summer and we'd still be waiting.
Having said that, I'm glad to see a new face arriving and will happily give the guy the remainder of the season to settle before expecting miracles. The way I see it is, he's not going to be the player to secure us 4th spot, we still haven't got that/those players in yet, anything he does do to aid the team from now until the end of the season is a bonus. Welcome Lewis and COYS
thfc1882whl
Peterbalb, you say that today's £8.5M spend represents little risk and is a small gamble for Everton, even given their £47M debt, and only a moderately well off owner, and yet you seem to believe with others, that us signing a striker whether it be for £10M, £10, or 10p, is likely to put us in grave danger of bankruptcy, how does that work, or do they operate to different fiscal rules than us. Don't ask me to believe that Fellaini, Jagielka, Baines, Heitinga, Jelovic, Osman, this new Dutch guy, and Pienaar play for pea-nuts, because I don't believe it, or why are they all still there.
Frank
Frank, I don't think that you are portraying that fairly. Everton have 47M in debt. Back in 2009 that figure was about 40M. Our debt, at the same time was about 65M. Spurs carry debt. All clubs do. I have no idea what our current debt is, but the training facility has no doubt added to the previous amount.

Yes, Frank, he did fail the medical. He has a chronic ankle issue. I can only presume he will always fail a medical. Diame must fail medicals too. And Ba. And many more. COYS
peterballb
gyromancered- ffs THFC was on the verge of going t*ts up until alan sugar saved the club with his own money. get your facts straight.why do you think he is so welcome at white hart lane.
topspur53
Frank, I have never said that. What I have said is it must be costed. I have explained that I do not think it to be a huge risk if we were to sign Belhanda or Diame, Negredo or Hooper, Son, Willian and bringing forward Holtby (let's call it 50M - huge number). First off, as explained, those coming in would mean that players like Hudd could be sold. Bentley and Jenas are off the books in the summer. Gallas should be too and Gomes should be sold. There are 5 salaries gone and 5 come in to replace. I'll bet it all turns out to be a wash on the salary front. Assume 8M for Gomes and Hudd. If BAE extends, Rose can be sold. If Son, Willian and the striker start scoring then one or more of Defoe/Dempsey/Ade could be sold. I would presume that on wages we come out ahead and any transfer difference still remaining in August would be covered by the 20M extra we will be getting on the TV deal. It is a risk, but the potential marketing and merchandising in the South Korean community around the world, if Son takes flight, could be huge.

Everton's share of the EPL debt is below 2% and Spurs is below 3%. Both clubs have servicable debt and are both well run. The difference between the two is our 50M more in revenues. When ENIC took over I believe we were on par with Villa and Everton on the Revenue scale. Well below Leeds and Newcastle. Things have changed. COYS
peterballb
Holtby looks sharp and is yet another leader on the pitch making him a welcome addition to Spurs. Good news. Well done for signing him.
Airwave
neither did Pav wentworth...top finisher, best finisher at the club when we sold hmim
tophobunty
topspur53, no one would doubt Sugar's financial investment in the club. I think if there had been forums, such as this one though, I suspect he would have taken it on the chin quite a bit for what he did, and didn't do, as chairman. You are right though, his investment bought Spurs time and in that sense probably saved them. I am pretty sure that he did ok at the end when he sold his shares to ENIC. COYS
peterballb
Hundred-Stone did fail a medical regarding the loan deal to stoke on his ankle, not certain which one, puffed up would be my guess, most likely had a burger in his sock.
spu 4 life
they should put him on diet of tesco burgers, he might break into a canter instead of a trot.
spu 4 life
Fingers crossed for wednesday and live in hope for thursday
spu 4 life
glad to see the new signing made you happy Lodjohnny...Spu4 i think it was his middle ankle
tophobunty
spu4 will be a tough game wednesday, we will need to be 100% on it and hope we take a forward with us, they are desperate not to lose at the very least or they could go into free fall.
tophobunty
good stuff. but why is everyone assuming he'll play behind the striker?? fu(k that. I'm hoping AVB plays him as 1 of the 2 centre mids... he'll be one of the options along with Dembele, Parker, Huddlestone & Carroll for those 2 central slots. Livermore will likely be loaned out now. (And he was brought in early after the Sandro injury, like someone's already mentioned).
ledders77
spu 4 life how on earth did you deduce that one? We were looking to bring him in early because of the injury to Sandro. As soon as he got injured it was put to Schalke that we get him over ASAP. This happened way before the loss to Leeds, so how can that have had ANY bearing on the matter, unless, of course, Levy and AVB have access to a time machine so they could have had a sneak preview. Oh no of course they couldn't have done that, otherwise they would have known what was coming and made sure we won.
chrishove123
lloris, friedel............................................................................ .............................................................................................. naughton, walker.......... [kaboul], vertonghen, dawson, caulker, gallas.......... AE, fryers............................................................. .............................................................................................. dembele, [sandro], parker, holtby, huddlestone, carrol................. .............................................................................................. lennon.......... dempsey, siggy.......... bale, townsend.......... (willian/ other as attacking option, left, right or middle)...................................................................................... .................................................................................................(negredo/...), ade, defoe
ledders77
Well, I hope he gets the chance to settle in -- but judging by some of the ridiculous comments after the Leeds game (and that stupid option at the bottom of today's poll), and the almost patented penchant for a lot of Spurs fans to judge a player instantly, I'm not too optimistic about that.

I wish the lad well. COYS
SpursEagle
ledders you want to play 442?
tophobunty
tophobunty - no way, (sorry that squad list's prob a little confusing)... the usual 451... but with Holtby as one of the 2 central mids, with dempsey, siggy or hopefully someone new in the hole behind the lone striker. just because holtby can score a few doesn't mean he should take up one of the main attacking spots, (in my opinion). he seems more box to box than that, and it would be nice to get more goals from the 2 more central midfielders. would like to see holtby play alongside dembele for example.
ledders77
what do u think?
ledders77
Quite like that idea ledders. However he would have to fit in straight away as its such a big position in the side.
BrooksySpurs
I read something about Spurs chasing Villa´s Benteke. Smoke screen or real deal ??
AlexSpur
Welcome to our great club , Mr Holtby :-)
Madaboutspurs
Rumour mills churning...1st choice -Damaio, 2nd choice- Negredo. Probably end up with nothing. It's going to be a hard 3 days :-(
Madaboutspurs
With news flying about that NEYMAR might be on his way to BARCA...

Is this not the time to throw money at a player like ALEXIS SANCHEZ now that he is sure to be lower down the pecking order at the club...
Yidmarks
I have a feeling we might be in a last minute buy for ODEMWINGIE..

Like when we were just about to get MOUTS and ended up with DEMPS.
Yidmarks
My opinion surprised no picks up on it. If lennon or bale get injured where is like for like pace to cover them it changes are style dimension. For instance against utd u saw how they triple teamed bale lucky we had pace with lennon aswell. Are biggest issue which we had since last yr when it cost us 4th we need pace to cover the wings
Kubanero
Haven't seen alot of strikers mentioned here but have seen Negredo he is not a upgrade (i'd say he's worse) would be disappointing with his signing on big money. His finishing is not good he misses alot put it this way when he played for spain with all that service he looked worse than washed uo torres in the summer
Kubanero
All I'm saying pelebro is tone it down a bit please mate.

Spuds-U-Like
spot on- negredo has been hawked around europe, this would be a fairly cheap panic buy..AVB must have his own idea of who he wants.i dont think we will sign anybody
topspur53
ledders yes 451 switching to a 433 is teh way forward for me, the two players I would say are must plays when fit are Sandro and Dembele, that leave Parker of Holtby as the one extra. I dont know how good Holtby is further forward, clearly its between him and Dembele in that role....Yidmarks I would see that also ref ODEMWINKIE
tophobunty
I see the last minute £20 mill for Damiao rumours have started....of course he is going to sign for us, how could it possibly go wrong?
Harry-Kari
Harry-Kari "Damiao to Spurs" thats a wee bit left field isn't it? I mean we've never really been linked with that player, have we? I don't think I can remember any articles suggesting we're even interested in this lad for at least the last 5 or 6 days!
Slurms McKenzie
Yidmarks, you Know Sanchez hasn't scored a goal since April, I actually rate Sanchez, but he's not a out and out striker, more of an attacking wide midfielder, and Im pretty sure we can't afford his wages.

As for Holtby think in time he will prove to be a good signing, but I don't think this season he will be the difference between finishing 4th, 5th or 6th.
Ossie
Ossie, he hasn't even played a game yet, interesting to me that you already know how well both him and us will do from now until the end of the season though.
Crissybwoy
 

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