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Holtby's early deal confirmed!

Holtby's early deal confirmed!

Tottenham have confirmed that Lewis Holtby has signed earlier than initially agreed, for a fee believed to be in the region of £1.5m.

22 year old Holtby is probably seen as a player to fill the void of Rafael Van der Vaart in the much missed creative role behind one striker and with that in mind, it perhaps seems strange that his early signature was first talked about following the loss of Sandro. However is there more to the urgency of his signing than is obvious to the major media outlets?

I have suggested that Holtby could potentially be seen as a viable alternative to Mousa Dembele in a deeper and more creative midfield role, and that seems reasonable as we still lack any viable alternative should Mousa again succumb to his hip or any other problem, though in certain circumstances, is there also a possibility that the pair could partner each other, even later in games when we are struggling to break down an opposition.

Though this partly fills me with dread, I have also considered that this is a move that indicates we have already given up on securing a new striker and/or that there is more to Jermain Defoe's injury than we have so far been informed. Holtby's arrival could increase options behind a main striker to allow Dempsey to push forward, but am I simply being alarmist?

A suggestion that we simply want to get him in early to have him settled for the start of next season, seems rather far-fetched, as you wouldn't assume he would struggle to adapt, as he obviously speaks the language and is used to England and the English, but also, can we seriously see Daniel Levy forking out such a sum of cash, just to help a player settle in early?

Obviously I am very happy to have Lewis Holtby as a Tottenham Hotspur player, however, I just have a niggling feeling that I am not yet in receipt of all the facts...

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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Monday January 28 2013
Time: 4:10PM

Comments

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welcome! we may be beaten by Leeds; there's no champions league here, yet - but we are tottenham. COYS!
SpursWho
28/01/2013 16:16:00
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Well done coops and anyone else predicting the Holtby coming early signing! I must admit, i never thought we would pay more for someone coming on a free in summer. I wonder how much this move was due to losing a key midfielder though, rather than beefing up what we already had. Will this extra player be enough to cover midfield now? Time will tell but i say Yes. Will this stop people claiming Levy never spends money? Probably not. Welcome on board Lewis. COYS.
SpursOne2
28/01/2013 16:20:00
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I share your concerns OX. I don’t think we will be seeing any other players coming in this month, which IMO is criminal. There are so many decent strikers around who we could nab for under the 10m mark. What does surprise me is the lack of outs. I though the likes of Gomes, Bentley, Jenas would be on their way? Guess we are struggling to convince anyone to take them.
hudderspur
28/01/2013 16:25:00
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@SpursOne2... spending lunch money on Holtby should not be seen as a sign of intent by Levy, come on, really? On a happier note I spoke to mate who lives in Hamburg and supports Schalke... he said Holtby is the real deal, already good and only getting better. Let's hope he's right!
Cape Town Spurs
28/01/2013 16:31:00
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Reasonable player.......mostly left foot, but can use right foot. Sprays the ball about....puts himself where it hurts......and has a eye for goal. Potential to be a "scholes" type player.
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 16:33:00
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is he available for the norwich game .
ledleygomez
28/01/2013 16:33:00
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who in their right mind are going to take gomes, bentley & jenas on their wages? Sadly they'd rather sit and take the cash knowing its the highest they will ever earn, rather than leave to reignite their careers.
jimmy-yid
28/01/2013 16:33:00
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First off, glad he's in now. Yes, he is inconsistent as any young player is, but he certainly can play. You don't sit in the German U-21 just because, let alone be named its captain. He is a quality player. If this deal was available two weeks ago, I cannot fathom why we didn't do it then. Anyway, it's done. Presumably Hudd can now be moved. It does seem there is something at work in the striker department. I would really like to see, at a minimum, Son and either Hooper or Negredo. Belhanda would make me feel that we are fully covered in the middle and Willian would be the cherry on the cake and would pehaps get people off of this Levy and AVB don't agree malarky. Anyway, three days left after today so we still have lots of time. Focus needs to be on Norwich 100%. Any other deals should really not be announced until after that game. 3 points is a must. COYS
peterballb
28/01/2013 16:37:00
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No ledley, he won't. The deal is only agreed ATM.

Spuds-U-Like
28/01/2013 16:37:00
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This is the Levy olive branch to throw to the fans to "quell the natives", it will not matter unless we sign a forward who "doesn't need to go to Specsavers" to find the bloody goal, particularly now that Defoe is injured, or we dose him up with painkillers before every game until he finally breaks down, shades of Parker last season. Anybody who will "to take the risk" as AVB said on SSN, with 15 games to go, is either an incurable optomist, the epitomy of a "yes man", or an idiot, take your pick. Perhaps he got the job because there is no risk of him rocking the Levy boat.
Frank
28/01/2013 16:39:00
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Welcome Lewis. I am 100% sure that we will sign a srtiker, I just can't believe that AVB and Levy would be that stupid. I honestly can't.
ledgespur
28/01/2013 16:39:00
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CapeTown - no 1.5 on Holtby was no sign of intent on its own...but the 50m plus spent on 7-8 players has been. It indicates that the money recouped services player expenditure, and as long as we keep making profits on players like Modric, we will spend even more.
TonyRich
28/01/2013 16:39:00
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I understood that Jenas was injured, had surgery and was done for the year. Bentley, tere is interest, and any deal (which I doubt) would be subsidized by us. Gomes, there appears to be a fair amount of interest. Offload Hudd and Gomes and buy Son. COYS
peterballb
28/01/2013 16:39:00
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jimmy-yid, if it was you, wouldn't you want lots of money for doing nothing. They may never play again (although someone will have them on a free at the end of their contract), but they will never need to work again
In-spurs-ational
28/01/2013 16:40:00
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hudderspur - If we get rid of Gomes we need to replace him so no point getting rid. Goalkeeper is a specialized position and therefore a squad needs 3 keepers. If No 1 gets injured you still need 1 on the pitch and 1 on the bench.
Hot_Spur
28/01/2013 16:40:00
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Maybe Livermore or Thudd will leave on loan this window now we've got Holtby.
spurboy61
28/01/2013 16:41:00
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I know nothing of him. I have only seen the tapes ...I hope this is not an eBay deal! No Sale or Return on this one.... next match Norwich !will he be able to make his debut? If not what about West Brom? Next home match Newcastle.......he's small but so was Modric so I assume he is a ball player and has enough peripheral vision to play players into space....is he two footed, and does he have any pace? If he's playing the VDV role then he needs to work behind Defoe and Adebyour or is he going to play a Dembele roll with Parker, is he an alternative to Dembele? What formation will he be played in?........somebody fill in the gaps for me cos I dont know what his strengths are or what he will bring to the team
OyVeh Maria
28/01/2013 16:41:00
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So 1 in on Monday, 2-3 out on Tuesday. Nothing on Wednesday and frenzy on Thursday but we just miss the deadline and the £20m plus player remains just out of reach!
Wilts Spurs
28/01/2013 16:42:00
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Can't even put in a good word on a new signing that could be a quality player Frank? Jaysus.
Crissybwoy
28/01/2013 16:44:00
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Wilts Spurs, I hear it will be a £50m bid on a player who agrees terms but time runs out sorting out third party agreements.
In-spurs-ational
28/01/2013 16:44:00
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Glad we have signed a creative guy but WE REALLY NEED A STRIKER to put away all these chances we will create from Holtby Bale and Lennon
Wilts Spurs
28/01/2013 16:44:00
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Cape Town Spurs - Levy is backing AVB though right? It sounds like they worked for this deal...even if it was ashtray money ha. I wonder how much AVB pushed for this to happen? It’s a positive sign to me, if (AVB and CO think) think we NEED someone now, they will work at it. COYS.
SpursOne2
28/01/2013 16:46:00
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Peterb - I cannot see how Hudd can be moved on. Sandro out for season. Hudd not likely to be on high wage nor able to fetch decent fee right now. May as well keep unless Premiership loan happens...
TonyRich
28/01/2013 16:46:00
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I'm glad that Holtby is in, now we just need to secure a quality striker. Hopefully Holtby hits the ground running!
Fanman
28/01/2013 16:47:00
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Hudderspur, the reason we haven't shifted Bentley, Jenas, and Gomes is because we can't, they are all on money that few would match, and would refuse to lose money in any move. Particularly Bentley, and Jenas, both are idle ********s, who will sit on their arses until their contracts are up, and will go somewhere on a free with a signing on fee. I pity any club daft enough to take either on, they are both a waste of space, when fit, which is very seldom. Sorry Jimmy-Yid I hadn't read your post before typing mine.
Frank
28/01/2013 16:48:00
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Other that Obika, we have no current striker at all. Defoe and Adebayor out for now. Holtby in, but he's no striker. So: either we bring in a striker or two, or we play Siggy and/or Dempsey out of position and pretend they are strikers, or we move to a 4-6-0 or something similar that recognizes that we have no real striker. (Or we commit the near future to Obika?) Of these options, I'd opt for bringing someone in, or forgoing formations that assume playing a striker. Go for it with a 4-6-0. Full out training for it with Holtby playing a key role in the new formation. COYSS. Come on you striker-less Spurs!
Total knobhead
28/01/2013 16:49:00
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"Hopefully Holtby hits the ground running!" Fanman

Hopefully Holtby runs without hitting the ground. Stay on your feet, lad. Don't emulate those who hit the ground seeking penalties! Run, Lewis, Run.

Total knobhead
28/01/2013 16:50:00
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well, at the moment...we do not have enough firepower from the midfield...(dembele,parker,sandro,hudd')....thus, if he is to go straight in........who for ?...........Dembele and holtby, both favour their left foot.........Maybe..3 /5 / 2.....hhmmm
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 16:50:00
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Frank, what do you expect AVB to say? "Oh my God we desperately need a striker, I don't know what'll happen if we don't get one!?" Of course he's going to say that we're fine. Frank. Everybody knows that we need a striker. It is common knowledge.
Fanman
28/01/2013 16:51:00
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In my opinion, failing to buy striker now is not so stupid; kicking off the season with just Defoe and Kane on way out to loan WAS stupid... Then to pass window with just Defoe and Ade and Dempsey was ill advised... I am indifferent now about signing a striker now...
TonyRich
28/01/2013 16:51:00
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Total knobhead, lol. Hopefully he's like Modric with pace and a Podolski left-foot!
Fanman
28/01/2013 16:52:00
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Crissybwoy, unless we sign a striker, the signing of Holtby is a gesture nothing more, nothing less. With Fryers an Holtby we can't accuse Levy of not making signings, just not the one we need and have for 4 years and counting.
Frank
28/01/2013 16:54:00
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Look, if the keeper issue is a worry (no 3), 3.5M for Buttland and loan him back. He can be crecalled so it really is not a major issue. Archer has also been looking quite good by all accounts. Gomes sold brings in some cash and, more importantly, gets the wages off the books.

Hudd can be moved. We have Carroll who has, IMO, looked no worse and who I believe will be a very good MF. Belhanda is still that guy I'd go in for although Diame at 3.5M is not a bad buy either. His dribbling is really quite good for such an awkward player. He seems to me to be on the "lazy" side, but sometimes that is optics. Against QPR, he had their defence in tatters on a few occasions. He's tough and any injury issues seem to be a thing of the past. Hudd needs to be playing every day. He just won't be doing so for us. With us out of the FA cup our fixture list is ok. Parker and Dembele will be starting most games. Holtby is there, so is Carroll. We need someone else, but it can't be Hudd. He just loses his touch when he is not playing weekly and, for him, that is disastrous. COYS
peterballb
28/01/2013 16:58:00
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Total knobhead, if he hits the ground seeking a penalty, and he is good enough at it and gets em, that'll do for me, it's all about 3 points.
Frank
28/01/2013 16:58:00
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whats the latest on defoe
ghulamville
28/01/2013 17:00:00
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He still misses more than he scores
In-spurs-ational
28/01/2013 17:02:00
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TonyRich, if we don't sign a striker I'm going to go crazy.
Fanman
28/01/2013 17:02:00
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Holtby would be best behind a striker who could work off of him. I don't know if Dempsey is ideal, but if we play on the floor, it could work. If we're going to lump it up as we tried yesterday, it will be painful. Get Diame, sell Hudd. Sell Gomes, get in Son. COYS
peterballb
28/01/2013 17:04:00
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I feel this is a good signing courtesy of Levys bargain hunt. Would love to see a nnew striker! Is holtby available for Wednesday?
Yidash
28/01/2013 17:04:00
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My last comment was for ghulamville
In-spurs-ational
28/01/2013 17:04:00
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Frank, how is signing a German U-21 captain a 'gesture'? Seems like good business to me. Be grateful for what it is, you've been asking for a "lock-picker" since August and now we have one and it has made no difference to your view. Ever heard the Gil Scott Heron song with the words "just be thankful for what you've got"? It's a START, at least appreciate it for what it is, instead of skirting over his signing like it means nothing and makes no difference to the club.
Crissybwoy
28/01/2013 17:05:00
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in-spurs-ational, LOL
Guernman
28/01/2013 17:05:00
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Oh..for a Asamoah Gyan.....
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 17:07:00
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"With Fryers an Holtby we can't accuse Levy of not making signings, just not the one we need and have for 4 years and counting". Frank, YOU'VE been moaning for months about a lack of creative midfielder, and now Holtby "isn't one we need"? If we didn't need Holtby then why have you wasted much of time reading your yearning for a "lock-picker" (in your words), only to dismiss it when it happens. Unbelievable.
Crissybwoy
28/01/2013 17:12:00
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so long as he is a lock picker and not a nose picker...ha ha ha
ghulamville
28/01/2013 17:12:00
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Great news!
Tactically Challenge
28/01/2013 17:12:00
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peterballb, I don't think that Hudd will get anymore opportunities. To be taken off against a championship side is an insult, same goes for Sigurdsson, although he will get more opportunities. IMO he (Siggy) needs to stay closer to the goal, he's dropping too deep like VDV used to, where he's not effective. So far all of he best work has come when he's in and around the 18 yard box.
Fanman
28/01/2013 17:13:00
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He'll be PICKING his hair out supplying Defoe only for him to waste everything.
ledgespur
28/01/2013 17:15:00
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I hope he'll be a good signing for us but share the concerns already expressed on here many times regarding under investment given or supposed CL ambitions. I am however beginning to accept this. The club is punching above its financial weight right now. We've been the only club that has consistently challenged to gate crash the traditional PL top 4 without foreign billions and we should be proud of that. Given the latest financial results for the club, the wider global financial situation and the impending need to fork out a few hundred million on a new stadium I think we may need to forget the marquee signings and manage our expectations for a decade or so. In order to achieve our aims we will have to get used to developing our youth players picking up young prospects like Holtby on the cheap as well as selling our best players when interest comes along without replacing them with players of equal value (see Modric last year and Bale this summer). This may seem like a gloomy view but at least its an improvement on the gloomy days of Sugar’s chairmanship; a tenure that put us so far back we’ve been playing catch up for the last 12 years. We need a bigger stadium to compete. Simple as that. The only way we can get up there quicker is to hope for a foreign billionaire of our own but I’m not sure I want that anyway. All things being equal I honestly think that we’ve reached a peak as a club and can’t progress any more without further revenues. If we get CL its a bonus but don’t expect to stay there. Levy and more importantly Joe Lewis have already proved in the 10/11 season that CL will not provoke further investment in order to stay there. The myth that there was money to spend but they simply didn’t want to give it to Harry has been debunked this season. The best thing we can hope for is maintaining PL status whilst the new stadium is built and paid for. For those who think this is ridiculous look at Villa. They were where we are now only 4 seasons back and are a sign of how bad it can get once costs are cut. Lets hope and pray for a fully developed new stadium built and paid for in 10 years time together with a proven youth development and continued PL status. Then and only then will we be able to push on in the way we wish we could now
gyromancered
28/01/2013 17:19:00
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fan'..yes, agree ....just a matter of time for hudd'...and siggy' hhmmm....utility,at best.
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 17:19:00
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I am excited about holtby, however a striker we need if we want to progress further, yes Defoe is a good striker but we have had him around 8 years and he has never been consistent for a whole season, we need to raise are attacking options to compete in the champs league, our midfield now with holtby is one of the best in the league, we have a world class keeper and defence is young and will only improve, I think a negredo or soldado would be an upgrade on Defoe but we need a higuain/Hernandez/dzeko type of player who are good all round and are European standard! As for the prem,are them is definitely good enough for top 4 but only when we are not complacent, if we beat Norwich and west brom it will show we have the right mind set as we are by far more superior, anything less will be disappointing !
Yidash
28/01/2013 17:21:00
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Great news and I am left wondering which event pulled the trigger. Why would Levy spend cash in anyone he could get for free 6 months later ?? Fear of losing CL again or an angry AVB knocking furiously on his dor ?? In any case, I don´t take Holtby in as a clear indication that Spurs are not chasing a striker...after all, today is still 28th of january.
AlexSpur
28/01/2013 17:21:00
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I've sussed what's going on here, AVB, master tactician that he is, is going to play Holtby in Dembele's position, so he can be a striker. Genius.
Love totty
28/01/2013 17:28:00
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Dembele....a striker....not for me, not two footed enough.
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 17:32:00
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Tongue-in-cheek, 82
Love totty
28/01/2013 17:34:00
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but double d's..usually do the trick..(dembele and dempsey)...lol
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 17:35:00
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82spursdebut, agreed. Siggy is utility, but I think that Hudd just needs to be moved on. He's had long enough to prove himself.
Fanman
28/01/2013 17:39:00
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Don't forget poor old JD.
Love totty
28/01/2013 17:39:00
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gyromancered, I don't know that there is not money to be spent. If we added Son, Holtby, Belhanda, Willian, Negredo or Hooper (just as an example) we would not really be in any issue with respect to wages. Sell Hudd, sell Gomes and there's 2 salaries off the books and 8M or so in cash. Jenas, Gallas and Bentley could all be off in the summer, so we'd have freed up sufficient to cover most of the salaries. If BAE extends, I can see Rose being sold. If Bale stays and we have Willian and Son along with Lennon, Townsend would be sold (or Pritchard gets snapped up by Liverpoool and we get our fee). If Son, Willian and Negrdo/Hooper are scoring it means that players like Defoe or Dempsey could be sold. The fact is, if we signed all 5 that I would like, th salaries will be a short term issue, but will not be an issue as of the summer. There will then be senior players who will be surplus to requirements and their sales would, on the back end, retroactively fund the deals I mention. TV deal will give 20M more to each EPL club next year. Spend it now spend it later. It will be spent. If we get top 4 and qualify for the group statges, that's another 20-30M. I reckon that the outlay of 45-50M (what I believe it would all cost) could be paid off in sales of surplus players plus the TV money, whether we make CL or not. Just my view. Son is a no brainer. If he succeeds it could be a huge boon for us and for UnderArmour in the South Korean communities. Hong Kong in the summer seems a pretty decent platform. COYS
peterballb
28/01/2013 17:44:00
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I’m amazed at the opinion commonly held on here that Levy is somehow expecting CL with ENIC’s current financial outlay. The reality is that unless we pull out a surprise or two before the window closes we are most unlikely to get CL Football; its not impossible but unlikely. I don’t think Levy’s a fool. I think he knows this and privately regards CL Football as a bonus, not a necessity. Sure the public rhetoric from the club may be more positive than that but I suspect he’s fully aware that CL qualification from a selling club ( I define a selling club as a club that gets more from player sales than player purchases and by that reckoning we are one) is most unlikely. We may sit 4th at the moment but we’ve been here before. Our lack of squad depth has failed us in the past and, unless we get extremely lucky both in terms of limited injuries to our own players and few key injuries to our rivals’ players we are likely to fall short again. We don’t even have the cushion we had at this time of the season last year. Look around the club. Everything about it points to a ten year plan; improved attention to youth development, new training facilities, new stadium. Levy knows that this is the only true way to get Spurs truly competitive again. The money required to enable us to push on now to obtain the sort of players we need is either unavailable or he is simply unwilling to invest it. We should enjoy the ride for now. Acknowledge we’re punching above our weight and that CL qualification would be an unlikely bonus, even from here. With Arsenal with debts paid and apparently £70M to spend and an improving Liverpool, they are showing a willingness to improve and invest, we may have to get used to taking a few steps backwards before we can move forward. Even if we did get CL football this year Levy has shown form in the past in not using the improved status and revenues it provides to invest. In the near future expect more star players to leave than arrive. If we can used to this reality perhaps we can just enjoy the good times for what they are rather than wish for immediate sea changes in the clubs transfer policy which is most likely never gonna happen until we can afford it. Ie new stadium
gyromancered
28/01/2013 17:45:00
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Fanman, I like Hudd but he needs to be moved on. He needs to play every day, which won't happen with us. Sell him, put the money (along with whatever we can get for Gomes) towards Son. Next piece. COYS
peterballb
28/01/2013 17:46:00
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I haven't done the sums, but the stadium brings costs as well as revenue. CL football brings profit from gates, UEFA, TV and global merchandising. That has to be the goal, unless like our strikers they can't see it.
Love totty
28/01/2013 17:53:00
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"Total knobhead, if he hits the ground seeking a penalty, and he is good enough at it and gets em, that'll do for me, it's all about 3 points," Frank.

Oh Frank, Frank, Frank. Don't be such a literalist, mate. I just couldn't resist going after the expression "hitting the ground running." God, that would hurt.

Total knobhead
28/01/2013 17:54:00
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peterballb You defend the indefensible .. ...Players have their chances & their`s only so many you can give ,it`s up to them to take.
Don`t see how a player not getting enough games is the clubs fault .& not the player himself by getting the time but not impressing ,or doing enough with it .
It`s a dog eat dog world ,cease your opportunity or fall by the wayside .It`s up to them ,they want it they have to earn it & work hard for it
big cockeral
28/01/2013 17:55:00
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gyromancered, ENIC have said that the other projects (training facilities, stadium etc) will not impact on spending. History under ENIC shows that net transfers will balance out and that salaries will be no more than 70% of revenues. We are not a selling club. We are a club that understands that we do not have the resources of ManU, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Arsenal. But we can compete. There is a price for every player and Carrick, Berbatov, Keane and Modric were all sold for amounts north of our record transfer in amount. We buy most of our players from teams that are poorer situated than we are. So, does that not make us a buying club but for about 15 or 20 other European clubs that have higher revenues. It's all relative. The new stadium will help, but by how much? Will we get the corporate sponsors like Arsenal did? Will we get their level of a naming rights deal? Best success will be achieved through playing in Europe, succeeding in Cups and being in it for the title. Not for a couple of years, but for decades. That's how you surpass Arsenal and catch Liverpool. Eventually Chelsea and City will implode. They will come back to earth. We need to continue to progress. CL should be the only priority this season. COYS
peterballb
28/01/2013 17:56:00
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"Total knobhead, if he hits the ground seeking a penalty, and he is good enough at it and gets em, that'll do for me, it's all about 3 points," Frank.

Oh Frank, Frank, Frank. Don't be such a literalist, mate. I just couldn't resist going after the expression "hitting the ground running." God, that would hurt.

Total knobhead
28/01/2013 17:56:00
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fan'...sos'...i meant...matter of time for hudd' to be moved on. Ideally now...or asap.
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 17:59:00
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peterballb, agreed. Not sure why you like Hudd though?
Fanman
28/01/2013 18:00:00
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Peterballb. I appreciate your reasoning and, as a fan, wish that something like that could happen. I just don’t think it will. Our net transfer spend in recent years has generally either been breaking even or turning over small profits, even when we made CL. The investments that have been made in the club in this time have generally been in infrastructure rather than playing staff. In the summer I expect most of the new TV money to be invested in the stadium. I expect Bale to sold with some money being invested in a striker and the rest invested in the stadium. Much as I’d love to think we’d start making a net investment in players again I simply don’t think we will - not out of any desire to be pessimistic but purely based on how the board have behaved in recent years. Even with the additional TV money I can’t see the club suddenly changing its mindset and investing a significant net spend on new players, especially as they’re about to embark on the most expensive infrastructure project in the club’s history. I anticipate that the board will continue to seek to at least break-even in transfers over the coming years and suspect they hope to turn over profits. They’ll invest in youth but don’t expect regular investment in established players. Would LOVE to be proved wrong on this.
gyromancered
28/01/2013 18:01:00
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jd.....now that's going down in size....i think !!..lol
82spursdebut
28/01/2013 18:02:00
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82spursdebut, agreed. If we can get any sort of fee for him we should take it. Maybe Harry will give him a go?
Fanman
28/01/2013 18:02:00
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BigC, if you have ever been out for a year with injury (I was out for 15 months), you do not just pick up where you were. It takes lots of time on the pitch in games. Hudd does not depend on raw power. It's all finesse. Touch is the hardest thing to regain. You can just see he is not comfortable on the ball. It's like Obika getting slammed yesterday. Whenwas the last time he played a PL game at PL speed? He has 4 Cup appearances for Spurs, only 1 of which was a start (in 2008). What level of form were people dreaming of? Two players dove in to block his attempt - desperation? No, he's too slow. Defoe has 1 goal in his last 30 plus shots playing at this level every day. Come on. It smacks of the same, Pav got lots of chances. Look at all the appearances. 3 minutes here, 5 minutes there is nowhere near the same as starting and finishing games. Yet Pav scored as often, per 90 minutes as Defoe.

You are right though, it is a dog eat dog world and I have repeatedly said that Hudd needs to be sold for his own good. He will not get the playing time with us to get his touch back. Simple as that. He wasn't subbed yesterday because he was poor. He was subbed to get Dembele in to push the ball up the gut quicker. Simples. COYS
peterballb
28/01/2013 18:06:00
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Sounds like a fair assessment, gyro. Makes sense as a medium risk business model after years of being stung by bad decisions (fortunes for players and managers who didn't make the grade). I don't like it, though. There is the chance that AVB has decided to give Obika a chance to make the grade until Ade comes back. If that's the case, fair enough, we haven't seen enough players come thru. But, once again it seems a big risk and seems daft not to speculate on getting a proven player in when we're not such a long way off pushing for 3rd spot. I don't know if AVB is being backed enough, that's my main concern. As always, I'll be glad when this ******** windows over and we can get on with the football. COYS!
DocHotspurs
28/01/2013 18:10:00
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Chelski are going for Butland. We have missed that boat. I said months ago that he would be the 'keeper to understudy Lloris, but as usual, Levy didn't listen to me. LOL
chrishove123
28/01/2013 18:11:00
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Fanman, I like Hudd's no nonsense style of play. he tackles, he gets fouls, he gets fouled, he just gets on with it. Yellow card, just gets on with it. He does what he can for the cause. Has played CB and looked pretty good doing so. No he's not fast, but he is, IMO, quick enough. When his touch is on he can be brilliant at corners and free kicks and when he catches the ball, there is no one who can hit it harder. He needs to play every day though and we cannot afford to allow him to work through his touch issues. He needs to go somewhere else and I expect he will, after a month or so in the lineup, start looking like the player he can be. He and Modric, neither of whom are fast or known as great tacklers, did a fantastic job closing down a porous centre of the park. His long passing with players like Bale and Lennon could be lethal. There are few who have demonstrated the long passing ability he has shown in the past. He is just not in form. He should go. I'll wish him every success except when he plays us. COYS
peterballb
28/01/2013 18:14:00
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