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Groundhog Day - a lesson unlearned

Groundhog Day - a lesson unlearned

February 1st 2012, I awoke with a strange feeling. Spurs were sitting nicely in the Champions League places and had a great chance of actually pushing for the title.

Deadline day had just passed though and I felt strangely deflated. For some bizarre reason I still can't fathom we had lost a good striker in Pavlyucheko, and had sent out players on loan who were at the very least good back up in Corluka, Pienaar and Kranjcar. We replaced the quality striker with an injury-prone Saha and bought in another centre back in Nelsen, even though we already had four at the club. The squad looked bare and later in the season injuries to key players such as Bale and King would see us just about hang on to fourth - and we know how that turned out….

Fast forward twelve months and I actually feel worse. As if trying to be cruel, Spurs are in almost exactly the same situation. A new manager has been made to work minor miracles with already a threadbare squad, and lost his captain, most influential player and most creative force in the summer. They were replaced with good, but not great, options in Vertonghen and Dembele. The chairman then took it upon himself to argue for TWO WEEKS over £250,000 in the winter window before finally agreeing to stump up a whopping £1.75 million for the Germany U-21 captain Lewis Holtby. (However, he had had no qualms in the summer about splashing £13million on two very similar players in Dempsey and Sigurddson.)

In 2012, the collapse was almost instantaneous after the window shut. Some blame Mr Redknapp and the England job, and no doubt that played a part, but part of me always believes that the players are affected by what they perceive in the boardroom. They want to see what they do on the pitch being underwritten by commitment from both the management team and the board. Last season both of these let the players down. Lack of fresh blood, a failure to rotate a tired team, and an abandonment of duty, saw the players flounder. How uplifting would it have been for them today to see a Negredo walk through the door. Or even someone who wanted to come to Spurs like Hooper?

We know they love deadline day, they all tweet about it enough! This year we have seen, in my view, a superb effort from the management. But Mr Levy has let EVERYBODY down. I think he firmly believes that because over the last three and a half seasons we have averaged fourth, that is where we will stay. Who cares that Everton and Liverpool have spent and likewise improved massively? Who cares that Arsenal always end well? Who cares that with a little help we could surpass ourselves and end up 3rd? Let's just fob off the fans with a made-up bid for a striker that doesn't want to come, just like last year.

I hope I'm wrong, but I can just see history repeating. AVB has certainly got his work cut out, with just 20 senior players and 5 I would consider back-up. Just 14 of senior players have played more than 20 times for the club. An inury to BAE or Dembele, let alone Ade or Defoe, and I really believe we will struggle. We all know that AVB was tripped up massively by Chelsea players, but in my mind this didn't change him from the great manager I knew him to be, and it obviously didn't sway Levy's mind when he recruited him either. But history may repeat itself here. If AVB was to get us CL football, or I would argue even a 5th place finish, he has surpassed what many of us thought possible. Who is to say a bigger better club won't come knocking? Too late to back your man then, Mr Levy... However, AVB has been hamstrung so far this season, and look where we are in the league? If we slip, I won't blame him at all. He has proved himself, as have the players time and time again. No, if we slip, the blame will lie firmly at Mr Levy's door. COYS.

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Writer:Sebthespur
Date:Friday February 1 2013
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Stopped reading after "lost a good sticker in pavlyuchenko"
spurspanther
01/02/2013 10:12:00
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Yea just like last window we've lost a "good midfieder" in Jenas!
Slurms McKenzie
01/02/2013 10:15:00
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I don't see the big issue concerning Spurs and not spending on deadline. Could you have done with a striker? Of course, but fact is, looking at the sides competing for 4th, Spurs only strengthened their favouritism for 4th, why? Because you added a talented player in Holtby (trust me, seen a lot of him since he is a self confessed Everton fan), whereas sides like Everton added nothing to the squad (which we needed to do given the size of our squad).
Rob-EFC
01/02/2013 10:22:00
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Hey-Ho. At least we've passed the relegation target of 40 points.
spurboy61
01/02/2013 10:23:00
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agree with spurspanther, I barely even wanted to read after such a ludicrous statement... cry us river Seb
Mix26
01/02/2013 10:24:00
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Sebthespur. I agree wiverything you say. The club is moving in the wrong direction at the time when some sensible inverstment would have meant us moving in the right direction.
jonathan01
01/02/2013 10:25:00
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Only good part of the day odemwingie doing a harry style interview from his car window. Wonder how bad he felt on the drive back haha
gibbothfc
01/02/2013 10:30:00
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complete hogwash jonathon01 we have a fantastic YOUNG talented team with the potential to win the league in the near future. We sold Jenarse and loaned out two talented players to pl teams. We sit 4th and are in a great position to move forward.How on earth have we moved in the wrong direction?
Mix26
01/02/2013 10:34:00
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Shall we start writing the headlines for the July transfer window? "Spurs linked with anybody who's ever scored a goal. Daniel Levy says 'nothing' but starts a rumour that we are looking at the most expensive and unattainable players in the world" ITK rumours state tat we are in talks about signing Van Persie, Rooney and Ronaldo, all of who are secret Spurs fans and can't wait to play for us. PS. It was my birthday yesterday and I've got a stinking hangover. Not helped by the (lack of) transfer news today. Still, after 50 years of being a Spurs supporter.....
spurboy61
01/02/2013 10:35:00
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Now i have to put my tail between my legs and sell of big stock of negreda's and damio's i bought in mass in hope of making a profit in fifa 13 ultimate team once they joined the premier league ! just another annoyance to this window
South L/Derry Spurs
01/02/2013 10:35:00
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Levy has the long term vision in mind, and you have to respect that, all we need is an on form Adebayor to return from Africa and all the haters will go quiet. We Levy has made some amazing signings recently, Lloris, Dembele, Vertonghen, Holtby, Adebayor. We also have Kaboul on the verge of a return. Honestly just glad the players don't give up as easy as a disturbing number of our fan base, it's pathetic. COYS
superlukamodric
01/02/2013 10:36:00
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If AVB is happy with the team then I back him to bring the results. It's no surprise most of the silly children calling AVB a joke when he was hired are eating humble pie now and at the end of the season I believe that pie will be even bigger!
Mix26
01/02/2013 10:38:00
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Thanks jonathan01. I couldn't believe it when I wrote down the squad and saw we only have 20 senior players. (Fryers, Carrol, Livermore and Bentley back up). And for those Pav doubters, I would love him now. He scored in every cup game he ever played in, bar one!
Sebthespur
01/02/2013 10:39:00
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Mix26, the pie will feed the whole of Tottenham, it's part of the regeneration plans!
superlukamodric
01/02/2013 10:40:00
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superlukamodric, I am not a doubter either, certainly not in AVB or the team. I also agree that 1-11 we have one of the best teams in the league. I thought that last year. But loss of form and injuries (ie Sandro, Bale, Ade, Defoe) in the last year have seen us suffer. Are we just hoping this doesn't happen again? Levy must have more body parts crossed than even the best yoga master...
Sebthespur
01/02/2013 10:42:00
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Seb u mock urself when u glorify Pav. We never doubted Pav we always knew he was sheit and was sold because he was sheit, he was also sold to a sheit team where he is still sheit...
Mix26
01/02/2013 10:43:00
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if the right players are not available then Im pleased we dont just buy for the sake of it. Yes we all got caught up on the "we need a striker" bandwagon, myself included, but we have the same amount as chelsea and as liverpool yet nobody says they have a stirker crisis do they? I rather Levy succeed or fail on his own decisions rather than splashing £20m + wages on an unproven striker that NONE of us know how he would do just to pacify the fans until the next window when they would demand yet another big money signing. We arent chelsea, we cant afford to get these things wrong and our fans need to understand this.
jimmy-yid
01/02/2013 10:43:00
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Looking forward to Wentworths response :)
thenuge
01/02/2013 10:43:00
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I think ppl need to realise what a good position we are in. Lets start with Levy. For those who say he doesn't care about the club is complete rubbish because since he's been here we have improved vastly. No one can deny that. Those who say he hasn't spent are talking rubbish as well. He has. On good players as well. Yes, I was disappointed we didn't buy a striker. But I would've been more disappointed had we bought an overpriced striker who AVB doesn't really want. If the right striker isn't available at the right price, then wait till summer. That's the way proper football clubs are run. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. We have a fantastic squad, barring the strikers although I have a feeling we will be getting a good Ade back. Oh an we have a fantastic manager. If we stick with this long term plan which I am now sure we will, I really believe that in a few years team, finishing fourth will be seen as a disappointment
BrooksySpurs
01/02/2013 10:47:00
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I think we are in a far better position than last year. Firstly we have gotten rid of JJ, secondly a lot of our promising youngsters have been loaned out to get more experience and lastly because we have AVB instead of the wheeler dealer at QPR. Our club now has a future that is being built without throwing money around. Yes we could have bought Negredo, Hooper, Ba ....name who you like but if AVB doesn't want them because they won't fit into his scheme then that's all it would be. Damiou was apparently bid for (source SSN) but why would DL pay over his assessment of value? He's been bitten before, even on tried and established english players (Bent, Bentley, etc) and wasted huge amounts of money. AVB said from the start of the window that he was happy with the squad and didn't want to buy another striker. He obviously expects Defoe, Ade and Dempsey to be regular scorers and for the Bale, Lennon, Siggy, Holtby and defenders to chip in too. Until AVBs had the full season with the players and has managed to indoctrinate them to his way of playing I'm not surprised we didn't do much business this January. I believe it is a project and he/Levi will only buy young players looking to the future for when we eventually start building the new stadium.
longtimespur
01/02/2013 10:48:00
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Levy should have sorted the striking problem during the summer, starting a league campaign with 2 recognized strikers and expecting to get 4th is crazy especially when 1 is African, to me Defoe is back up at best. I think we have enough cover in the right areas, we're never going to be Man city who can afford 22 world class players. I'm glad to see some of the youngsters go out on loan and be rid of Jenas and Gomes off the books.
coys1717
01/02/2013 10:48:00
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I am not glorifying Pav! He has a better record per minute than Defoe though...
Sebthespur
01/02/2013 10:50:00
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An excellent article written in an apparently calm and collected manner, a lot calmer and more collected than I was last night, and still am this morning. The most annoying and frustrating thing, is this pattern that is emerging, of making alleged bids for top players on the last day of the window only to fail. Last summer it was Moutinho, this window Damiao. In the case of Damiao, the reason it couldn't get done is reported as down to a) The club didn't want to sell him in this window, and, b) The player didn't want to come. I think it would be reasonable to expect that to be known by the 2nd January and to use the remaining 29 days of the window to move on, and seek a suitable signing elsewhere. One has to suspect that these "attempts" are simply for the fans benefit, there being no serious attempt to get the player concerned, and unfortunately many are gullible enough to believe the excuses that are trolled out. Given our current position, one injury to either Defoe, or Adebayor, away from a crisis, if as is patently obvious, Levy was unwilling or under orders from Bahamas Joe, not to spend, then why could we have not got a 3rd striker in on loan until the summer, to try and cement 4th place and a CL qualification. To risk the season in the way that he has speaks volumes for the ambition he has or more accurately hasn't got for THFC. I agree that as you say, if we fail, AVB and the players will be blameless, they are being asked to operate carrying a 7lb handicap, with key players sold an not replaced, and the 4 years old problem of lack of fire power not addressed, and by and large they have coped well, although already we have dropped some 8-10 points in drawn games that would probably been won with a competent finisher, given the shots on target stats. There will only be one man to blame, and I hope if that day comes, he is shown by the fans in no uncertain terms that they are not happy. This is the second season running when the season has been risked by lack of January investment. Last season HR was conveniently around to blame, this year the culprit is obvious, one Daniel Levy.
Frank
01/02/2013 10:51:00
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CONFUSION? Yesterday Levy received a phone call, the caller asked him ''Are you interested in a MP3 Player'' Levy's reply was ''what position does he play and how much are you asking for him'' Read more: http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7514441#ixzz2JdxijuSV
spu 4 life
01/02/2013 10:52:00
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longtimespur very good comment that makes me see things a little differently...
Sebthespur
01/02/2013 10:52:00
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Incidently I think you will find that messrs Corluka, Kranjcar, Piennar were in fact sold, not loaned out.
Frank
01/02/2013 10:53:00
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And then I read Frank and I agree with that too...this is why I love this site...
Sebthespur
01/02/2013 10:54:00
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Good post longtimespur
Madaboutspurs
01/02/2013 10:55:00
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I agree, very frustrating, one push from Levy to get a forward (before deadline day) would have given us confidence to secure 4th and even push for 3rd. Now we just have to hope AVB can work with what he has. Holtby had a fantastic 20 mins against Norwich so hopefully he may be able to play the num 10 role.
coyscoys
01/02/2013 10:56:00
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Chuckle @ Mix26
Saying that Pav has a better record than Defoe is like saying pish smells better than sheit. It still doesn't make it worth sniffing!
darkenvai
01/02/2013 11:01:00
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Defoe, Ade (when he is back) Lennon and Dempsey. These 4 players need to get their ***** together! The onus is now squarely on their shoulders to produce more goals. That imo is the reality of the situation. These 4 in particular have to produce when in matters most. Siggy also really needs to make the most of some his opportunities. Other than that, happy to see Jenas move on, hoping some of the loans becoming permanent moves.
thenuge
01/02/2013 11:01:00
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To quote the article "lesson learnt", the lesson to learn, as many in business, and industry, particularly if innovation or development is needed, is to never trust and try to ignore "bean counters" they impede progress, their main problem is that accountancy by nature relies on historical rather than futuristic thinking, and they are naturally over cautious, particularly where investment for the future with a minimal risk is concerned, just the situation we have at THFC.
Frank
01/02/2013 11:02:00
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We missed one, any half decent Striker would have put Defoe back on his toes and stopped him from coming complacent yet again!! When we have no striker on the bench do you honestly expect Defoe to bust a gut after 6o-70 mins? We probably would have been better getting in Saha this wiindow rather then last years. How desperate does that sound?? The squad is now loaded with defenders, Midfielder s, but no one who can get us game changing goals in the tight games. One Goal a game is not enough for us to get the required results, even now when we have finally started to shore up our leaky defence!! COYS
WestStandEnclosure
01/02/2013 11:03:00
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I do not agree with some of your opinions in this article, but can understand your fear for the season ahead. How you manage that is down to you! Football is a funny old game, and we are up there in the mix with about 5-6 other teams (none that active this window) for those top spots. So do you feel better to get that all off your chest? Ok, let me hear you say: COME ON YOU SPURS
SpursOne2
01/02/2013 11:06:00
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I'm all for the idea of AVB not settling for players that he doesn't fancy, or who don't fit into his preferred set up, but the idea that we couldn't find anyone in the world that does, for a price that we are prepared to pay, and within the time allotted to us, beggars belief. Definitely a missed opportunity. Fortunately, in most other regards we are doing very well and, IMNSHO, will still get fourth, will stuff who we meet in the qualifiers, and will be playing CL football next year. If we had got even a half-decent striker, though, I reckon we'd've had a good chance at EL too. Shame.
darkenvai
01/02/2013 11:07:00
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see the Levy spin brigade is out in force (good to see so many positive new faces...hmmm)....trying to deny we actually bid, that we didn't actually want anyone or Inter were never going to sell (hogwash)...and how anyone is still blaming Arry for our transfers or lack of whilst he was here is beyond me....the pattern of our transfers hasn't changed and thats because it was Levy then and Levy now...
shedboy2
01/02/2013 11:08:00
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Much now depends on Defoe finding another hot streak, or Ade returning from the ACN pumped up and firing. It could go either way with either of them. Demps and Bale will always chip in, but those two are the ones we need on song. This window has been, like every other, a tale of dashed hopes and frustration. Not sure we'll ever know if we were anywhere near to signing Leandro, it all seemed like newspaper BS to be honest with nothing particularly solid sounding, the only possible grain of truth being Internacionale's chairman saying they would sell at a high enough price, which is pretty bloody obvious really.
Yorkspur
01/02/2013 11:09:00
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I do accept that on the whole, our policy is to sign young players and to develop them and I think AVB is the perfect manager for that role. I am just concerned that our last minute transfer dealings and Levy's eye for an apparent bargain have left our squad depleted and causes us to move away from that policy (hence the signings of Dempsey and Adebayor). Great debate though
jonathan01
01/02/2013 11:11:00
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We do have to consider the clubs long term development and also that of bringing through our best youngsters. Wasnt one of the reasons we dumped Harry and appointed AVB because we wanted/needed to improve our development from academy to first team. keep buying experienced players and you freeze out the kids and stop long term development as you wont attract the better players. As a club it is obvious that we can never compete with the games richest and biggest, so our best and perhaps only long term chance is to develop from the youth ranks. if this takes five years to truly establish, then that is perhaps what we have to do and as fans accept.
oxfordspur
01/02/2013 11:12:00
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Well, exactly what I expected. We didn’t sign a striker, let’s just put it behind us and move on, cheer the lads on at WBA and see what happens. There’s nothing we can do. One thing I ask, please don’t say we didn’t need a striker, because we did. Don’t try to pass this window off as a success it wasn’t, far from it. What I have just read has made my blood boil, we turned down a £10m+ bid from reading for Siggurdson. We paid £7.5m in the summer and he has been one of our worst players. Just what the hell is happening. I don’t want to hear “give him a chance etc” he has been abysmal. Like I say, im gonna forget it and move on, because that’s what we fans do. But im never in a million years gonna say im happy with how we have again failed to add to a squad in need of quality. COYS FODL
hudderspur
01/02/2013 11:12:00
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I'm annoyed that we didn't sign a striker but some people are being a bit ott. Like people have stated we have a very good squad! I believe we will still be in with a shout of 4th. It's not all doom and gloom. Also Ba was available for 7.5m so there were players out there we could of tried for
spurspanther
01/02/2013 11:12:00
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I’m quite happy with the squad and players we have brought in over summer/Jan. We have even placed a few talented youngsters in a position to play regular football else ware for the rest of the season. And JJ has freed up another spot of the bill and list (best of luck mate) ready for summer. With exception to VDV who i miss and feel we could have used at the START of the season, it a decent looking squad. I am excited at seeing more of Holtby now though. I don't want a repeat of last year in terms of performances, but we have a different squad, manager and setup from last term. Looking forward to the West Brom game and do not expect us to lie down for that one!
SpursOne2
01/02/2013 11:12:00
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One point that annoy me is when people say we have the same number of strikers as Chelsea, Arse etc. Except that doesn't actually make sense as we are (arguably) the only team that play 442, so to have only 2 strikers in the squad when you play 442 seems suicide to me.
mattgazza
01/02/2013 11:14:00
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Jonathon01, agreed with pretty much all of that - to think that Moutinho would likely be a Spurs player now, had we just started the ball rolling 24 hours earlier, is a real sickener. But I suppose we should have listened to AVB, all the way through he was saying we wouldn't be making any major signings, and sure enough, we didn't. On the plus side we did get Holtby for a very small fee, which could turn out to be the deal of the year.
Yorkspur
01/02/2013 11:15:00
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Holtby is a No.10. so we will probably go back to 4-4-1-1/4-2-3-1, hence no new striker, as 3 frist team forwards would be too many for team who only play one.
Tactically Challenge
01/02/2013 11:15:00
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BTW, the biggest loser in the transfer window was poor Tony fernandes. Redknapp is an utter disgrace for letting him spend that sort of money on very average players. If thats how he apprached DL then no wonder he is cautious. I can see QPR suffering very badly in the long run. Harry should be ashamed of himself.
hudderspur
01/02/2013 11:18:00
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Tactically, whilt your correct with moving formations now, if you look at Spurs teams, we ever play well unless we play 442. When we play 433welose Bale and Lennon who are our most effective players. It's no coincidence that our best sequence of results this season is when we went to 442
mattgazza
01/02/2013 11:20:00
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and may i also say how glad i am that the window is now closed, i can finally stop checking the newsnow site every ten minutes and get on with my life!
Yorkspur
01/02/2013 11:20:00
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talented youngsters? what are we a training academy for Real and Manu?...our first proirity has to be the league, the first team, trying to win...but no our priorty is training kids and property development....there used to be a football club here.
shedboy2
01/02/2013 11:25:00
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hudderspur-not if he saves them which i think he will,levy should have backed harry,samba,remy,hoillet were all wanted by the vitalspur community,if you dont believe me just take a peep at the archives
ghulamville
01/02/2013 11:25:00
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does not buying a striker also indicate that our recently playing 4-4-2 was a very short term option and as TC says we will see our reverting back towards 4-2-3-1 or similar?
oxfordspur
01/02/2013 11:28:00
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Reading made 3 attempts to buy Sigi from us the last one being 10 mil ,tempting in the summer ,but the squad is to thin to sell now .
Edinburgh Spur
01/02/2013 11:29:00
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yep TC- Defoe and dempsey are ideal for that formation...Defoe holds th ball so well and brings others into play, whilst Dempsey using his vast experience in that position and electric turn of pace can bury any chances....would have been so stupid to buy another striker...Ade can come and rescue us if he feels like it...
shedboy2
01/02/2013 11:29:00
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The only thing I disagree with Frank about is that if DeFoe or Adebayor get injured we will have a crisis. Given their form at the moment, an injury to either will not make any difference. To say we have a great young squad is true for every position except strikers. I just hope that Holtby will be able to create and finish a load of chances but that is an unfair expectation for the lad this season. AVB has his work cut out to finish top 4. I think he has done well so far and I assume he has a plan based upon no strikers. I hope it works. As for Levy, he is nothing if not consistent.
Harry-Kari
01/02/2013 11:30:00
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ox- no not buying a striker indicates we're skint....
shedboy2
01/02/2013 11:30:00
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hudderspur – It’s a Spurs thread so sorry…. but do you realize how much money that club has mate? Did you also realise the club re-shaped their wage bill and transfer policy prior to Harry joining? Samba for example was in talks WAY before he joined, so want even his target. Mark Hughes started this signing players like Ji-Sung Park, Robert Green, Junior Hoilett, Ryan Nelsen, Andrew Johnson on just as high wages (added to who they already bought). The wages were already going through he roof before last summer. Harry’s sole job is to keep them up…..and they have provided him some players to do that. Lets face it, the only way QPR were going to get those players was by chucking money their way...and trust, they have enough of it (enough to blow our wage structure out of the water). It’s very easy to point the finger at Harry though right? The club know this is a risk and not self-sustainable but they have taken it before getting their new man to lead them. Its on them right? The same way it would be on Levy not AVBs had he spunked 50mil this window. Cheers.
SpursOne2
01/02/2013 11:31:00
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lol @darkenvai
Mix26
01/02/2013 11:32:00
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....give some credit to Levy. He tried to sell Bentley and Jenas to QPR but not even Harry would take Bentley. Speaks volume...@Frank"why could we have not got a 3rd striker in on loan until the summer". Exactly my thoughts. To spend in Jan is always a big gamble but a loan to cover for Defoe would make sense.
dannylane
01/02/2013 11:33:00
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I figure 'd just paste my post from another thread onto here. As it's just as, if not more applicable to this article!!! I'm trying to keep a calm and level head about this. I expected nothing, and that's what we got. I refused to get carried away with the ITK's and SSN propaganda, and so it was with a marginal sense of relief that I welcomed 11p.m last night. Despite it extinguishing the tiny glimmer of hope I had that we would be surprised with our dream striker arriving. It didn't, we dust ourselves off, and we move on. The first thing I'd say is I am increasingly dismayed at the amount of people on here berating each other. Specifically those who accuse those of you (US!!) of lacking support for our club when we express anger and frustration at our apparent inability or unwillingness to go the extra mile to strengthen our team and squad in the one area when it is desperately needed and has been for far too long. There seems to be a division forming which harks back to the pro-Harry/anti-Harry days, simply substitute Harry with Enic/Levy/Lewis. If people on here are angry, it's borne out of love and ambition for OUR club. And without wishing to sound like a total hippy, we're all in this together. Debate all you want, it's what the forum's here for after all. But name-calling and abuse just makes me (and presumably a lot of other people) either skip pages or turn off the page altogether. I said at the start of this season that I thought we'd finish 6th, and that anything over and above would be a bonus in AVB's first season. And I have to remember that, despite our current position giving me a stronger sense of optimism. I would also point out that any transfer window which sees the departure from our squad and wage bill of Jermain Jenas can NOT be considered an abject failure. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!! Read more: http://www.spurs.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7514441#yoursay#ixzz2Je7zSNFu
LilyWhiteHart
01/02/2013 11:33:00
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Those mocking Pav: I'd sooner have him than Defoe or Ade.
Tottenham Hotcore
01/02/2013 11:35:00
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Seeing that smug face of Levy up there, I wish I could reach into my Ipad and give him a couple of slaps.
Madaboutspurs
01/02/2013 11:36:00
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well said frank, same old windows.pity there not glass i would be abe to hit it with a brick and shout goal as it does not happen to often following these stone throwers.
bazdog
01/02/2013 11:39:00
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It happened before. It will happen again. Our meltdown and collapse that is. Why? Simply because nothing has changed. Why would it?
Moscovite
01/02/2013 11:40:00
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Nothing has changed?... Hmmm
SpursOne2
01/02/2013 11:43:00
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Have a good day chaps....had enough of this bollox..for now. See you for the game on Sunday. Chin up! 3 points please. COYS.
SpursOne2
01/02/2013 11:44:00
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I remember Pavlyuchenko playing with the youngsters under Mr Redknapp during a Europa league match and i thought Pav? Lets see you stand out here and i believe that was the managers idea for Pavs 'last chance saloon'.....he did nothing in the game......
Jocka101
01/02/2013 11:45:00
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Nothing has changed in a sense how we approach transfer windows. And nothing has changed with a striker situation either. Hope it's clearer now.
Moscovite
01/02/2013 11:46:00
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Ghulamvilel – Yeah if it saves them then well done, but then what? Some of these guys are on 4.5 year contracts at 60k-100k per week. Can the chairman just keep shelling out money hand over fist? What about the FFP rules? How are QPR going to make that kind of revenue? Its not my club so im not really that bothered, just seems TF has been taking for a ride that’s all. Maybe Levy should have backed harry more, well at all really

spursone2 – Yeah agreed It was happening before Harry went to QPR but I remember when he took over HR said that the previous mangers had pulled TF pants down and it wasn’t right, just looks to me like harry has seen his pants down and stuck it in!! I mean sticking 2 keepers on the bench then highlighting it to everyone was a joke. Apparently they ahd about 8 reserves / Academy players who could have sat on the bench but harry wanted to make a point. Anyway, like you sy this is a spurs thread so sorry guys.
hudderspur
01/02/2013 11:47:00
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I know it may sound cliche but what/how MU would do without RVP/Rooney or Liverpool without Suarez? The question is: where is our Suarez? We don't have any. So why our expectations should change all of a sudden? We are doomed to come full circle yet again. Because if you hit your head against a concrete wall you shouldn't expect it to collapse, it's your head and we all know it and we've been there before. So nothing to discuss really.
Moscovite
01/02/2013 11:50:00
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hudd-FFP doesn't apply to QPR...
shedboy2
01/02/2013 11:52:00
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Chelsea and Liverpool both have strikers on loan...Lukaku and Carroll. They chose to buy Ba and Sturridge rather than re-call, they addressed their striker issues. We however admitted we needed a striker (by submitting a bid) but were not prepared to pay the price for the striker we wanted...
shedboy2
01/02/2013 11:55:00
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RIP our season.
Chelmspur
01/02/2013 11:55:00
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PS what happened to the moutinho money? I guess that was just a load of smoke blown squarely up our arses...
shedboy2
01/02/2013 11:58:00
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Hudderspur, the FFP rules only really apply to teams playing in, or expecting to play in, European competition, unless our FA choose to supplement it with a system of their own (before this bloody government stick there noses in, and feck it all up, as they have everything else) then clubs not in Europe will not be affected, so QPR have nothing to worry about on that score.
Frank
01/02/2013 11:59:00
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will you exchange bale for rvb/roo/suarez?
SpursWho
01/02/2013 11:59:00
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