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AVB explains Damiao Failure.

Andre Villas-Boas has tried to appease those fans dismayed at the clubs failure to sign a striker, after claiming the price of Damiao didn't meet they valuation and spiralled out of proportion

Though this perhaps doesn't explain why there wasn't a Plan B option, it does perhaps give an indication that Spurs will as usual be looking to keep the purse strings tight and only spend what they see as their valuation and not be drawn into an auction by greedy clubs and agents. I will leave you to debate whether that is a good or bad thing and whether clubs sometimes have to bite the bullet, should a signing be seen as essential.

Speaking of the move, Andre Villas-Boas said 'We`ve approached this market very, very sensibly, If (the price) was going to go out of proportion we would step out of it. We couldn`t agree on the full conditions so we move on.'

AVB also hinted that Spurs will not try to sign the Brazilian in the summer and yet again suffer an ever changing valuation, as he continued; 'Will we sign him in the summer? I don`t think so. It`s probably finished by now.' Based on that, I assume we have other targets, and it will be interesting to see who they are in the summer, and I wonder if they were all out of the question in the last month...




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Date:Friday February 1 2013

Time: 4:00PM

Your Comments

Defoe, Dempsey, Hudd and Lennon mugged AVB into thinking they could score/create. When their usual soft spice boy dip in form came around it was too late. Gotta learn the hard way AVB. As soon as you put your faith in the vapid nightclub brigade, you will lose your job.
gibbs131
http://www.eastlondonadvertiser.co.uk/football/tottenham-hotspur/spurs_have_abandoned_their_pursuit_of_leandro_damiao_says_avb_1_1856399 So no Damiao for Spurs. ENIC OUT! LEVY OUT! If we not finish top 4 AVB OUT!
noone
well ok, it isn`t the mistake from AVB. So AVB in and give him a chance!
noone
It didn't really happen it is all media lies...oh, wait.
shedboy2
Nice sensible club management. We want Tottenham to be around for years to come, and no point taking crazy risks for the CL dream, ask Leeds fans. We have been progressing steadily for 8 years now, and will continue to progress at our own steady rate. Spurs are on the way up, and not signing a striker in January 2013 isn't going to completely de-rail 8 years of advancement. Anyway, with Holtby we will probably go back to playing 1 striker so we won't actually be that short.
Tactically Challenge
AVB is best keeping out of it...so far he's played a blinder from having people like me questioning his appointment he's now got the fans on side and Levy is seen as the weak link...he should have just said 'speak to the chairman about transfers, he deals with it all'...
shedboy2
TC- we were on the way up, reached the CL, re-gained top4....it remains to be seen where we go from here. No new money in two years doesn't lead me to believe we're still on the way up....a 450m debt is a huge gamble we're far more likely to do a Valencia than a Leeds...how many years til we pay it off?
shedboy2
I don't understand what transpired with this deal. Do we not have a partnership with Inter? Have we not been chasing this player for 2 years? Why did we open negotiations about 4 hours till the close of the window when we are famous for long drawn out deals? It's funny how Chelski can get Oscar from Inter done and dusted without any problems, but us with Dimao, Oh dear Arshavin all over again. Final question, we must have known the approx valuation so why was there no other options courted? Is Dimao the only striker for AVB? (that was the final question)
Cleveland ARTSPURS
From the little I have seen of Damiao he didn't look all that special anyway. However we should have had several alternatives to pursue and I think everyone is a little anxious as to what will happen the rest of this season. Can't help feeling this another wasted season as Levy consistently fails to fill the major hole in our squad with quality.
Harry-Kari
After waking up and thinking about things logically without the drama of the window still open, i feel we had a decent window. Yes we needed a striker, but would it have made sense to get someone in now that AVB did not really want? (Maybe a loan deal for a quick fix until the end of the season would have filled the void). We got rid of Jenas and upgraded him with a player with real world class potential. The only thing we done wrong was let townsend go on loan, i said yesterday that not getting a striker was fustrating but leaving ourselves short in key positions is suicide, especially when he was already here. A front four of Lennon, Bale,Defoe and Ade is not too shabby, i just think townsend was the only one from the bench who could inject pace into the game and change things up, now we cut our selves off with that option.
spurfect one
Fear thee not, we've got Harry Kane back!

As to what our summer targets could be, there might be some very interesting strikers coming available if for example Aston Villa get relegated, and Newcastle is in danger too.
Jables
Although disappointed that we didn't get a striker in the window, must confess that I didn't think that Damiao is worth around the 16/17 mil. bid. January is a difficult window and only the really desperate pay over the odds. However, I was hoping that the scouts would have made it a priority to solve our striking dilemma!
Durbanspur
I believe AVB was made a scapegoat in this situation. Levy is pulling strings from behind the scenes. I didn't hold my breath about this particular transfer (as his price does seem a bit inflated to me) but our inability to bring in a quality forward for 4 years now genuinely strikes (no pun intended) me. Is it some sort of a joke that went too far? It's like people saying Wenger won't spend and then he refuses to spend just to irritate them.
Moscovite
BigC +1
Cleveland ARTSPURS
gibbs131 is 100% right. Coaches can have an impact on matches, I don't doubt that at all. For me though this game is and always will be about players, and not so much their ability to control a football but what's going on in their heads, what makes up thier DNA. We here at Spurs have been unlucky to round up the softest bunch of so called pros I have seen. These guys aren't little kids anymore 30, 25, 26 year old men some of them are. Now the transfer window is closed we have to hope these players will shape up and ensure that performances like we have seen in the last 3 games wont happen again this year.
BlackStar Spur
bigc+2
shedboy2
Cleveland, it's really not that hard to understand. Chelsea don't have a budget. They threw 25M at him plus whatever in wages and now he is theirs. We don't have that luxury. If we'd have given Internacionale 25M and given Leandro 75k/week, the deal would be done. If Oscar flops, Chelsea will just throw more money at the problem. If Leandro flops, that's transfer funds and wages that come out of what we can afford. Bentley hurts us every week. COYS
peterballb
There's nothing logical about this....do we need a striker yes or no? -yes. Can we afford one that is better than we have? No. Really? in the whole world our scouting/coaching network can not identify 1 striker who is better than we have (or at least suitable for the system) and that we can afford?...yet the conclusion is we are a well run club?...either we're skint (not well run) or our scouting/coaches are not up to it (not well run)...
shedboy2
BiC, sure, or Willian and Leadro have been part of the grand design and both were priced out of what we were willing to pay. Neither selling club was motivted by anything but money. I don't take AVB to be a parrot or a puppet. He seems a very grounded, thoughtful man. He has a plan. He will revise the plan and move on to other targets. COYS
peterballb
we could have sold Gylfi for 10m got his 75k pw off the books....added 10m from the 13-17m we apparently offered and got a striker for net 10m without increasing the wages.... Gylfi must be doing things in training we don't see on the pitch...
shedboy2
I'm with Levy & co on this one, Damiao is not worth £20m+. End of discussion, no point paying over the odds when he is a huge risk. Has had a barren spell domestically & amassed two goals in 14 for Brazil, of which both were scored in friendlies (Ghana & Sweden). How anyone can quote £20m+ for him is absolutely ludicrous in my opinion. That being said we should have had more than one target, surely?
Mex_yiddo
On Bentley, I read today that his contract runs until 2014 not 2013 as it has been generally assumed on here. Also read that QPR did want to sign him but weren't prepared to pay the fee Levy was asking. Levy apparently isn't letting Bentley go without recouping some of the £15m he paid.
GARYKIR
whoever said this is a smokescreen to avoid a Levy backlash I agree 100%.. I say let's not fall for it.. I say maintain the pressure, maintain the Levy backlash. He goes home, counts his money and laughs at us.
Cape Town Spurs
Dark, perhaps he didn't want a Plan B guy. Hooper could have been had. Son could have been had. Altidore could have been had. Loads of players could have been had. Not many of any real quality that were going to supplnat Defoe and Adebayor. He spoke of Hooper. While being respectful, he certainly did not seem to be interested in him on any level. AVB is fairly direct and measured in his comments. Plan B might well have been that we save it for later and go with Defoe, Adebayor, Dempsey, Kane and introduce Holtby in behind whoever is firing. He did say before the window he did not expect there to be any signings. I take Holtby, Fryers and extending Pritchard to be good work. COYS
peterballb
oh FFS, how many seasons do people have to go through deluding themselves that next window will be the one, before they finally wake up and drink the kool aid
Cape Town Spurs
AVB says " I assume we have other targets and it will be interesting to see who they are". His he not allowed to choose his own transfer targets. . So Levy really does pick the players that spurs go after and AVB gets no say in it . Thats the way that statement comes across
whitehartmart
Tactically Challenge "1 striker so we won't actually be that short" - apart from the fact that our one current striker is Defoe :)
In-spurs-ational
Peter, seriously, are you like an ENIC PR merchant... I respect your comments and do not wish to come across in any other way, but there is this un-ending blind allegiance. It's like Levy could burm your house down and you'd still say he's a great guy. I just do not get it. Too much bias in one direction. You make so much sense that you don't make any sense. Have you been found out, agent BallB?
Cape Town Spurs
The irony in all of this is that this is a club that we pompously announced to have a partnership with. "With friends like these, who needs enemies" springs to mind.
Moscovite
Cape Town Spurs, we are Spurs fans. We are eternal optimists
In-spurs-ational
....even though events should dictate otherwise
In-spurs-ational
and before you all think I am mad, Peter is exactly the type of commentator that PR companies hire and place up on sites such as this to sway opinion. Trust me. I know this business. Peter?
Cape Town Spurs
shedboy, if Defoe, Dempsey and Adebayor were all scoring, the answer to your question would have been no. If we had won at QPR, Norwich and Leeds, there is no way we do anything but stand pat. Holtby would not have been brought in until the summer. If Holtby can get Adebayor scoring (and/or Defoe) then we are in decent shape. It'll be 4-5-1 with 4-4-2 as an option if we are chasing games. Adebayor, Dempsey and Defoe combined for 45 goals and some 20 assists last season. They just need to contribute as they are able. Goals from Lennon, Bale, Holtby, Sigurdsson and Dembele would be of great assistance as well. Work on free kicks and corners. Defend solidly as w have for some time now and fourth is there to be taken. Every one of the 5 clubs fighting for the final 2 CL positions have issues. It's in our hands. 3 points this weekend and onward. COYS
peterballb
Moscovite, the partnership is like the one between Dan Gallagher and Alex Forrest (bonus point for anyone who can name the film)
In-spurs-ational
Moscovite, the partnership is like the one between Dan Gallagher and Alex Forrest (bonus point for anyone who can name the film)
In-spurs-ational
"if Defoe, Dempsey and Adebayor were all scoring" Yeah, there is a Russian saying: "If a granny had a dick she would have been a grandpa".
Moscovite
Well picked up whitehartmart, a clear indication, and almost to the point where he really isn't getting a say! Interesting.
Jantheman
... don't think spurs don't have a pr company, and don't think pr companies are not aware of the influence of social networks... and don't imagine they do not plant their agents to sow the seed of their paymasters... peter b is just too perfect, too balanced, to stat-ful to be real... sorry Peter if I am wrong, but I just don't believe that I am.
Cape Town Spurs
CapeTownSpurs, while it absurd to be on the payroll of ENIC from Mississauga, Ontario, I'd love to do it. If there is a position out there, I would gladly accept it. I would indicate that I was so employed however. I have no financial interest in the club whatsoever. I buy the merchandise, I watch the games. Have done so since the early 70's. I see an owner in ENIC that has moved us from mid-table mediocrity to being on the cusp of CL and in the conversation every year. I also see a club that has gone from a valuation of about 100M to over half a billion (with a B) in a decade or so. I wanted the stadium years ago. That said, I am glad we didn't because I was able to go to WHL twice in August. I do know, however that businesses worth 100M usually do not get funding for 400M projects. A 564M business though has little issue getting money for a 450M project so long as they can show their finances are in order. There will be players available in the summer. Alderweirald (I'd make it Howedes instead), a young keeper, an up top lone striker, another DMF and wing options would all be sweet, but then some might come from within. Pritchard is apparently not far off. The striker (or 2) will have to be bought. They will have to be players that AVB wants though. Bent and Odemwingie were available if we just wanted a striker for striker's sake. COYS
peterballb
If AVB have no say in it, Levy would have taken the money for Gylfi, 10 million if you believe the media, and that would be it. Same thing with Hudds, who was very close to sign for Fulham, according to Jol.
dannylane
I would hate to see how some of the Levy haters balance the books for their own personal finances.
laughter7
Hudd yes Gylfi no!
Slurms McKenzie
Ox you mention not being drawn into an auction by greedy clubs, surely they don,t come any greedier than Levy
whitehartmart
If Hudd went to Fulham he wouldn't be able to cut his hair. EVER.
Moscovite
Peter the answer to my first question was- Yes, the club answered it by making a bid for a striker. IF my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle...big word that little IF...If only Dempsey were a striker and had pace, If only Defoe could hold the ball and link play, If only Ade were here! If only he can be bothered....If only we had a plan B, If only we'd built the stadium 10years ago, If only we were not skint because of it now etc...
shedboy2
I personally love the way we are doing business now. A great couple of young buys and a load of deadwood off the books. What's not to like. We have Defoe, Ade and Dempsey who have been good enough for a 4th place finish thus far. I don't doubt that they will be gradually replaced as and when the right forwards come available at the right price and the right time. We are doing things sensibly and with a plan. What do people expect us to do? Throw £50m (including wages) at an unproven Damiao and hope we qualify for the CL 2 years running just to pay for one player!? Or bring in short-term fixes like Saha or Heskey who bring nothing but a drain on the wages to the table? Its coming together and remarkably we are still 4th and in the UEFA Cup. The only big disappointment for me was losing to Leeds, we really should still be gunning for the FA Cup but its gone now so i have to move on!
StillRickyVilla
Cape- I don't think Peter is an agent....he's been around a while but I'm sure there are PR guys on here from time to time.
shedboy2
Peter - you state (again) that a club worth 100m couldn't get funding for a stadium...yes they could all the owner has to do is underwrite it being worth 3.5bn it wouldn't have been too difficult and he wouldn't have had to dip into his own pocket...but I guess we're leveraged to the new millstone stadium now so no money for players for a while...
shedboy2
Peter from Ontario, your answer is why I love & respect you, it is also why I question your heritage. So many stats, facts, figures...
Cape Town Spurs
Dark, I believe it will be worse in the summer. If Guardiola is targeting Suarez and Falcao prices will be ratcheted right up. Chelsea will again be buying. City no doubt too. RM probably too. Italian clubs seem to be spending freely again. All that said, it should not affect us. Ifwe get CL, options will be there from the get go. If not, it will be the same old. We need to be looking at the next Berbatov. Perhaps a player like Aspas. Or an Arnautovic. Or a RVN type like Castaignos. I wish we had signed Son and Belhanda. We didn't. We spend more than we sell in virtually every year. Our wages are getting more an more competitive. It's a process. I suspect that Plan B guys were not pursued because we already have them. Unlike Harry, AVB chose not to add to the Plan B roster. COYS
peterballb
peter- we spent more than we recouped up until 2 years ago..the spigot has been turned off. No more transfer budget.
shedboy2
I would rather we make white hart lane bigger. We bought up all the land around the ground, surely it would be a lot cheaper and quicker to up the capacity to what we want than build a new ground, and that way it will still be called white hart lane . You said it yourself peterbulb you wanted to visit the lane
whitehartmart
Only 23 players on our senior squad list...including Sandro and Bentley. We must be saving a fortune in wages....
shedboy2
Cape Town - there is no denying that Levy have brought us into the top five zone, brought first taste of cl football, more exciting football, training ground plus stadium to come, even brought a trophy... Don't you remember us being mostly bottom half in the ten years before Levy? I have not even mentioned the state of the finances. Just because we do not sign a striker, you want to disregard all that? I am not saying that he hasn't made mistakes... But the guy has done a fine job. Balance the good with the bad...he comes out well ontop.
TonyRich
We had a net spend of nearly 6M this year, so I guess there's a leak. Fact is, I expect that there will continue to be a small net spend or a small net gain going forward for so long as our salaries are at about 70% of revenues. Our wages keep creeping up. If revenues do, we're ok, if not, we're in trouble. Making the group stages would give us 20-25M more revenue. The PL TV deal gives us 20M more every year starting next year. That is inflationary though as all teams get the same. We need Bentley and Gomes off the books. Maybe Hudd, Dawson andParker too. Those 5 salaries could pay three players fairly well while mixing in a few kids.

It seems AVB was the one that did not want to let Sigurdsson go. If it was just about profit, we could have kept Townsend and sold Sigurdsson on. 2M made. Isn't that what people keep alleging Levy does? COYS
peterballb
I think it more likely , that Reading offered no more than £6mill' for siggurdsen. Than the £10 mill' quoted. I don't think Mr.levy would have turned £10 mill' down...he be not that daft.
82spursdebut
shedboy, next year, if we finish the cull of the surplus to requirement players we will start to see a stabilization of the wages (assuming we don't go and pay wages above what Bale and Ade get). This year will still be a large increase. All of Sigurdsson, Vertonghen, Dembele, Dempsey, Holtby, Lloris are on wages that eclipse Corluka, Kranjcar, Pav, Modric (who was on peanuts). We are, like Barca do, reducing our senior player list, and IMO, is the better way to go. Pay 22 guys each 5k/week more rather than employ three more guys who really won't see the pitch anyway.

Just a thought, with Holtby in, what if we went to 4-3-3. Lennon, Defoe and Bale up top. Parker in the middle of Holtby and Dembele and a solid back four in front of Lloris. Bale seems to want to go all over the place anyway. defoe has shown he is happy to go outside if that's where the space is and Lennon when flitting all about is a handful. That might even allow (no abuse please) us to play Bentley in a situation where delivery, not pace would be preferred if Dembele were out. Hudd could cover for Parker. Sigurdsson for Holtby and Dempsey as a replacement up top for any of the three. You lose pace, but he gets in good positions. Thoughts? COYS
peterballb
Peterb - the wages are at a maintainable level. There is no point in reducing the wage bill THAT much. We need Parker, because Sandro's injury record is poor. Besides, we spent money on Parker that we won't get back. So the earlier you shed him, the less value he was. That would be counter intuitive. Bentley will be ending his mega deal soon, and I am sure that we have budgetted accordingly. Dawson does not want to go, and is more than handy to have around. We do not have enough captain types. Gomes is temporarily off the books...
TonyRich
Dark, you will notice that I did include Bentley in my design, larely because after his tricksy-tricks at snail's pace, he is more than capable of delivering a quality cross in to the box.

82spursdebut, we have not seen anything near the best of what Sigurdsson has to offer. He was very unlucky not to score the other day and has had some keepers make some pretty good saves. Snakebitten he is. 10M or 12M or 15M, I don't think we sell. Above that, obviously you take the money and run. COYS
peterballb
Peter. Chelsea may have unlimited funds but they met the valuation for Oscar, it was done and dusted. If we can't meet the Dimao valuation and are unwilling to pay him 75k per week, then we have no business being involved in the first place. DL must have known his valuation way before the last day of the window. I don't really care about Dimao that much, but I don't like DL spinning the fans a yarn like he does. It's insulting and is difficult to understand why he does it when nobody really believes it anymore.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
TonyRich, and I am just guessing, I believe the wages for this year will be in excess of 70% of revenues. It is beyond what it should be, but as I mention, the offloading of the bloated squad players will bring that back in line next year. There is a market for Parker. In another 18 months there will not be. I would have gotten Sissokho and Belhanda in. But then I'd have brought in Son too. None of that matters though. Gallas is at the end. Bentley at worst, is here for another 18 months. Jenas is gone. If Gomes plays well, wse should be able to move him in the summer. I fail to see how Hudd will fit in going forward. If BAE stays and Fryers can play, what of Rose. If Pritchard looks great, what of Townsend. Smith might supplant Walker and Naughton. There will be futher changes this summer. Aftyer that, salaries and ins and outs should be fairly consistent. COYS
peterballb
peterballb, Bentley was supposed to be the new Beckham. Maybe now is actually like the current Beckham (minus the box office status). Slow but can deliver a good ball.
In-spurs-ational
Nearly scoring is not good enough.....Compare to Townsend, for example. Townsend has scored at least 3 goals for spurs...yet has appeared less than siggy'. You could just take this season, as example....i.e...Townsend has done more for spurs this season, than siggy'...yet has appeared, less than a 1/4 of the time, than siggy. Siggy'....slows the game down too much, is cumbersome and easy to tackle.......but..he be young and may come good......but never ever better than Townsend. I would persevere with siggy' from the bench this season, as a utility player. I do also wonder if he could not do the goalhanger job..and be told to get on the end of Bales and lennons..or whoevers cross's. But Addy' comes first...after afcn.
82spursdebut
you guys make me smile... imagine the disagreements we could have if we spent 4 hours together in the same bar.. actually don't! night all
Cape Town Spurs
DL made no such comment. The club never stated we were going in to get him. Negociations occur ll the time. Holtby came out of the blue, but we all know that that was not the case. He had been watched and tracked. And we pounced. Holtby is on very good wages. Didn't stop us from doing the deal because we likely agreed with the valuation. Harry constantly complains about how ridiculous players and agents are about the wages. Just because we want Leandro does not mean we should pay over the odds. If that's what it came down to, you walk away. Or you do a Leeds. If you don't get bit bad on this one you will on the next one. Bentley is the perfect example. 2 good seasons, we bought him for a large sum and we gave him a huge contract. I'm sure we could not give him away without subsidizing the wages. Hopefully he gets to play and shows what he can do. The talent was there. The six inches between his ears have just gotten in the way of it developing and coming out. COYS
peterballb
Peterballb, i am certain that AVB will want to revert to his preferred 4-3-3 as soon as he has the players of the requisite pace and intelligence to work that system. Holtby is a perfect example of someone who has the intelligence and skill to play to a plan on the pitch. Think AVB is being pragmatic just now with the players available and of course not wanting to change too much of Harry's work too soon. It early early days - I don't believe we've seen anything yet of where we are really going.
StillRickyVilla
82spursdebut, it seems AVB does not agree with that assessment. Townsend is on loan where I wll be shocked if he plays. All sorts of games called for us to go with a sub who was quick and would keep the width. AVB elects to go with Dempsey and Sigurdsson istead. Sigurdsson is probably our best free kick and corner taker. His crosses are very good and once he gets the monkey off his back, he will score Townsend reminds me of Kane. They look like they should be better, but they aren't. Pritchard and McEvoy, from all I have read, sound like the wing position will be theirs. I rarely hear people talking about Townsend in hat fashion. COYS
peterballb
Siggy over Townsend all day long. Siggy just needs to relax he seems to be trying TOO hard to impress. He has the talent. I can see him really coming good in years 2 and 3 and beyond. I'd put this season down to settling into a big club. You sometimes need at least a season to bed in. Look at Bale and Modric!!
StillRickyVilla
Siggy' our best freekick and corner taker....hmmmm...certainly not on the evidence of this season. Walker, Bale and ekotto can do better. If siggy was....he'd be in the team.Also not two footed enough..hence his poor control..bit like dempsey. Townsend remind you of Kane..........have you seen townsends appearances for spurs and eng' under 21 !?.....lol Townsend has produced much more for spurs ..in his appearances and excels for the spurs and eng' under 21's. I've seen Pritchard play live too.......he very small. The loan to p'boro will give us a clearer picture of him. Mc evoy....not seen him. But Cellabos..has two feet and a great turn of speed / body swerve.
82spursdebut
Fair enough happy we are not going to be robbed. This deal has been speculation for too long now and it is about time we let go. Only concern for me was if we were in for him then that shows AVB feels we need a striker so what happened to plan B? Did we have one or not? Nothing we can do now except get behind the current squad and keep our fingers crossed. As for Kane not convinced but I guess he is still young. Obika can't say he is up to it. Time is not on his side now and I guess we may as well have Kane in the squad as a freeby than Obika who would take up a place. Lets just hope Ade comes back on form, Defoe finds the goal again and Dempsey keeps scoring.
thfan
StillRickyVilla, exactly right on Bale and Modric. I remember we wanted to sell bale at one stage
In-spurs-ational
82spursdebut, on Ceballos, I'll agree with you. Probably the best"ball" talent in the team (Gio was up there too). Issue with him will be size. Pritchard wants the ball all the time. I understand McEvoy is very similar to Bale. Walker is terrible on free kicks and corners. Hudd is miles better. Sigurdsson is too, he is jus rarelyon the pich. Ekotto, might be the best but seems disinterested. BAE is also our best crosser of the ball. He just doesn't get up there often enough to do so. If he overlapped with Bale, they could be deadly. We saw Naughton starting to gel with Lennon just before he was removed the other day. It is like Walker has no idea what Lennon is doing. Livermore looked dominant with the U-21's. It doesn't mean much until you do it at the top. For me Townsend is ok. Nothing better. I still think AVB will sub on Dempsey or Sigurdsson before considering Townsend which is why he is off on loan. COYS
peterballb
thfan, I'm not sure AVB felt we "needed" a striker. I think he thought if we can get him for £17m (or whatever it was), it would be a good deal.
In-spurs-ational
Peter, Yes DL never stated that we were going in for Dimao this window, AVB actually said that we wouldn't bid for another striker. We did on the last day however go in for Dimao, don't know what our bid was, but it wasn't enough. Dimao was being touted around at 20M+ last season, so why does DL think he is going to get him for less. Waste of time at best. No plan B, but by the bid AVB and DL actually admitted that we need an extra striker, which we do. I thought that the whole point of our relationship with Inter was so that we could do Sandro type deals and get first refusal on their up and coming talent without having to spend a fortune on TF fees. Once Dimao goes above 20M, we may as well move on, what is the point in making a bid of what we think he is worth at the 11th hour when they know that they don't have to sell him this window?
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Avb..is going with the men that he helped to sign. His men, so to speak. Harry made the mistake, last season, of going with Kranjcer, rather than Townsend...when lennon was injured. Hence...the mini collapse. I think Harry has wised up !!......he has his spies at spurs (sherwood / ferdy). Yes, hudd' has good delivery with both feet..but he has lost 10% of what he had at his prime and will never get it back. Yep' agree..something wrong with lennon and walker....hence i'd play 3/ 5/ 2....and have lennon inside right midfield. But if that didn't work.....then perhaps...naughton and lennon is better. Ekotto..i love him. Siggy will do the occaisional bit for spurs, no doubt, but if his spurs history....continues.....we'll see on that one. As for livermore and townsend.....no comparison.......in the few bits that townsend has played for spurs..he hardly done any wrong. Livermore...hmmmm....not top 4 quality, decent utility player, at best.
82spursdebut
im a PR..ick guy lol
jljyid
Moscovite and shedboy2, you are spot on. Things are more than obvious. No plan B and not a proper scouting system. That's the way Levy runs business at Spurs. That's why he has reached his limits with the club. In order to move to the next level, Spurs need to establish an adequate scouting system staffed with the proper persons and do business in time and according a well organised plan which would include also a plan B and C. That's the way all serious and successful clubs do business. For a big and popular club like Spurs, keeping a solid and healthy financial position makes sense and can be regarded as success only if it goes together with winning also a silverware from time to time or/and regular participation to the CL. AVB is the kind of person who avoids to be involved in conflict situations. He wouldn't risk a confrontation with Levy and get fired again. It would be very bad for his carrier. Levy knows this and can pull the strings the way he wants. AVB is obliged to find excuses towards the fans and the press for the insufficient methods that Levy follows.
Ioan X
Cleveland, neither you, nor I know what was bid. A year ago an amount f 10M was mooted. In the summer it stated 13 or so and the early reports were that 20M or so was what Internacioanle wanted. That does not mean we ever bid that or intended to bid that. Whatever was bid and offered on wages was what we believed was appropriate. Looking at AVB's comments it would seem that the club and or Leandro's expectations far exceeded what we were willing to give. We didn't do it. A bid was put in because he is the young striker who best seems to suit what AVB is doing. Ohwell. Next target. I don't see how this is any different from when Harry said that there was nothing better ouyt there thatn what we had (Defoe, Crouch, Pav and VDV). In Defoe, Dempsey, Adebayor and Holtby, we might well be a little better off than that. We'll see. Every game is the most important one. COYS
peterballb
I think Avb..is right, that Holtby can be just as effective for spurs, as vdv was.....but we may not see that till the striker situation is resolved. I be looking forward to seeing him make his full debut ...this w'end.
82spursdebut
Ioan x....i pretty much agree with your words on AVB. Not forgetting that AVB..is very young, for a manager. The negative, in me, may think that that is why Mr.levy appointed AVB. But let's not go there.....avb, so far, 75 /100.
82spursdebut
Tavistock and Levy own ENIC. ENIC, for all intent and purpose wns Spurs) Lewis, who owns Tavstock does not seem to be unhappy with his small investment being worth now 4 or 5 times the initial outlay. Unless they sell (no reason to believe that will happen unless they receive a ridiculous offer), that will not change unless Levy (who owns 29% of ENIC) no longer wants to do it. Ask for his ouster all you want. If you have 3/4 of a Billion GBP, you might have a shot. COYS
peterballb
I think AVB is in danger of strapping on the suicide belt by explaining the failures of our chairman, facing the critics instead of him, taking the rap for Levy, he must be very careful in the use of the word "we", then falling short as a result of Levy's rather than his own actions or lack of, and suddenly he is out. He should remember that Levy is almost as good at sacking managers, as he is at counting beans, it is the only bit of administering a football club, that he seems to understand. AVB needs to remember that he is manager no 8 and counting during Fagin's reign.
Frank
82spursdebut, if you were one of those posting that we'd be lucky to get 6th, how can you possibly give him just a 75%. W are fourth and have had more key injuries than any of our close competitors. Dembele, Kaboul, Parker, Sandro, BAE, Gallas while also losing Modric, King and VDV. If this squad finishes fourth with less talent than last year's squad, he will have done about as well as anyone could have hoped. COYS
peterballb
Frank, how is this any different than Harry or Jol? Levy does not speak about these matters and nor should he. Jol made it quite clear when players were bought he didn't want (Comolli, not Levy). If the numbers are beyond our valuation (as AVB states) there endeth the pursuit. I'm sure we dropped out of the Willian chase after it got over 20M, much as we did on the Oscar chase. Not overpaying is not a bad thing. It is proper business. You do it every day as do I. Whether a tomatoe or a house, there is always a price where it is no longer worth it even if the guy down the street will pay more. There is a sucker born every minute. It doesn't need to be us, does it? Because Fernadez has decided to spend close to 50M net in transfers this year does not make it necessarily a smart thing to do. His money. I don't generally gamble 10% of my fortune, but hey, that's me. And that doesn't include wages. COYS
peterballb
I haven't posted anything of the sort on predictions for spurs...other than game to game ..predicting results. I'm not that daft to try to predict any further than that on football. I give him 75 /100...due to the lack of goals in our last 10 or so games. plus last 4 results. How can you expect to sign a striker that costs so much.....when you just lost revenue on cup runs. When we did swop shop during the summer...i thought he had done well....considering. But.....he makes the odd mistake and they are mounting. Bit like...levy...but don't we all. I, like most, will...continue to assess...all with THFC....and comment on what i see, as i see it. I just hope upon hope....that the stadium is completed for 2017 /18..season and no later.....and that spurs become the number one football club in the world, in my life time........but i'd settle for a champions league win....just one would be fine....;-)
82spursdebut
Peterbalb, bigger men than Levy (no direct comment on his diminutive stature intended), have been driven out, by fan's angry reaction to their activities, or lack of, that damages the club on the pitch. If we suffer our now customary end of season slump, the goals dry up, and we lose out on Europe, the fans should know who to blame and should do so vehemently. The average fan is neither aware of, or greatly interested in, the value of the football club, it is nothing to do with him, and he gets nothing out of it. All he is interested in is seeing his club competing with their rivals, winning some, and losing some, but competing. What he can't or won't accept, is that he sees a lack of ambition on the part of his club, having got to a certain level, and enjoyed successful CL football (at the time the best ever performance by a debutante), and then not to be forced backwards, but to actually volunteer to regress due to a total lack of ambition, and will, to go forward. Football fans, rather than shareholders can't and in the longer term won't accept that.
Frank
somebody tell me who exactly is our solid back four at the back? I havent seen a solid back four performance yet as the back four keeps being changed.....PeterB? just who is our solid back four?
OyVeh Maria
ovm....goalposts and corner flags !...lol....couldn't resist. Actually, i love Spiderllorisman....2 arms / 2 legs....= 4.....strange spider !!...lol
82spursdebut
This statement by AVB is all very well, but it inspires more questions, than providing answers. First of all it is obviously carefully scripted by Levy, it is one of his well used and somewhat out of date explanations (excuses), for failing to meet our needs in the transfer market, after all he has had 4 years of practice. The questions are a) why did it take until the last night of the window to see that the Damiao deal did not fit, rather than on the 2nd of Jan, leaving us 28 days to look elsewhere, b) Are Levy and AVB asking us to seriously believe that there wasn't a single striker in the whole of Europe, or even further afield, who suited our needs and within our price range, and that coul have been signed, when most of the teams in Spain are skint and desperate for money, not necessarily super stars, why not our Michu or Cisse, they are out there they just need finding and signing, surely a month is a long time, but you need to get off your arse, go out an look, tap up contacts etc.etc. that's what DOFs do, not land management graduates, they are better off finding building sites. c) In the unlikely event that (b) was true, could we not have got a competent striker in on loan until the summer, then have a look, and regroup at the end of the season, when hopefully we are looking at the prospect of CL football. I am afraid that one has to suspect or raw the conclusion, that a top 4 finish and CL football is perhaps not Levy's intention, it could be cheaper to temper expectation, to enable him to avoid expensive signings, and higher wages. Cheaper to mix it in mid table with the Norwichs, WBAs, and the rest of the mid table comfort zone clubs.
Frank
so lets see......We fans havent asked Levy to spend so much money that he exposes the finances of the club to a greater debt yet its not unreasonable to say that Levy had the money in August 2012 to buy Joćo Santos Moutinho only to so call miss him by the time it takes a transfer window to close and now in January 2o13 Leandro Damiao deal goes down because at £13m we could afford him but by the time that Agents got involved he was £16.6m and rising.......so here we are in a trading loss of £4.5m but the money in the Bank on deposit has to be £13m + for a striker because we never used the money we had for Moutinho! AVB is Levy's "Project" so Holtby and Fryers are the sum toal of Levy's ambition for this club? so Fernandez spends £50m because he loves his club and wants them to stay up and Levy loves his club but not enough to get a decent striker......! Really? Since he became chairman in 2001, Levy has gone through eight managers and AVB is his ninth. This indicates a chairman who lacks a coherent vision for the club. Out of eight managers Levy couldn’t find one manager that meets his desires or aspirations. If Levy wasn’t a close friend or assistant of Joe Lewis, I think he would have been fired years ago, just as any other ordinary chairman of a company. How do you expect a coach to develop a team or a take a team to a new direction if isn’t given the players? How does AVB get success for the club if the sum total of talent bought in amounts to Siggurdson Dempsey and Dembele and two back door deals that includes pulling one over Manure and waiting for a player to be out of contract and waiting for them to arrive on a freebie only to reluctantly hand over £1.5m cos he had to...where please is Levy's ambition in that?
OyVeh Maria
Poor Levy....oh ! of course, he is not so poor !... I think between them they are a little slow to react to what is happening on the field........but.....they could point, to the table. Table watching !?.....is that more entertaining !?...lol flip..i watched first 45 mins' of "Lincoln"...Yawn !!!...lol
82spursdebut
i need to watch the 2nd half...apparantly, it gets more entertaining.
82spursdebut
I for one am chuffed to bits with the AVB comments. What it says to me is that AVB is the one judging and valuing players (not Levy) and he knows where he will let his chairman go to in spending the money. He is taking ownership for HIS player budget and he isn't going to weaken his position as manager by putting all his eggs in one basket on an overvalued player. AVB is a smart man. He knows you don't need 25 registered player, another 5 out on loan and another couple kicking their heals doing nothing. That is a recipe for long term mediocrity.

My guess is that when Harry is driving back to Bournemouth each day, phoning TalkSport for a chat and talking at Bond, AVB will be sitting in his office until after dark working. He will have his own player database with valuations, he will have assessments on every member of his own playing squad and he will know for every single player what tactics they lend themselves best to. It's what most of us would call being a manager and taking responsibility. The previous idiot was simply a coach who turned up, trained the lads and got back in his car and went home. He had no understanding of how the club was run and had no interest either and regularly had sly digs at Levy via the media.

This transfer window was sub optimal. We didn't get a striker but AVB is playing the long game. He offloaded Cuducini and Jenas and made a dent in the wage bill. He brought in Holtby and Fryers, the latter based on a strategy he started 6 months ago. He got his youngsters out on loan playing football and therefore closer to 1st team action. He also sent out a vote of confidence to his current players by not panicking and changing for the sake of change. They now need to repay him with that loyalty and performance.
muttley
good comments Frank. with you 100% i do not understand the blinkered view of some. their delusion can only be described as, well, delusional.
Cape Town Spurs
Frank, you are spot on, mate. Levy thinks in terms of a real estate agent and not of an ambitious owner of a football club. Being ambitious doesn't mean to ruin or bankrupt a club. But it does mean working in a serious and well organise way. It's not by luck that Spurs is the only club in the world which though it was always between the fifteen richest clubs during the last decades, it's the only one that didn't won a major domestic or international title or trophy.
Ioan X
......oh! I so want to play the long game! 1961/1962 Division Champions and since then...what? How long do you want the long game to take? Every time you change the manager you knock the club back 2 years....nine managers since 2001 that equates to 18 years of hurt! So is that it then?...we all mark time until the dream comes true and the long game finally works? What happens if, during the long game, we lose the manager? what happens to our long, shrewdly patient, building stone, create the foundations and one day arrive with the ultimate young footballing team, game plan then if AVB leaves. Have you seen our trophy cabinet recently? I dont think after two league cups in 9 years its too much to say you can shove the long game where the sun dont shine....Spurs supporters have been playing the long game long enough...I would like to see us win the PL before I die.....and I have postponed my death several times already!
OyVeh Maria
Frank, all well and good, and if I wished to put on my 1970's early 80's glasses, could agree with you. fact is we have been mediocre for a long time. A good cup run here or there, but very little to write home abiout. Since ENIC took over they have overseen the move from mid-table, to competing in that next group with Villa and Everton to being on the cusp of CL and in the discussion every year. Here's what Clivethvillan has posted today about the Lerner area

Oh dear Lionheart mate, i admire your stance on defending Randy or trying too,but sorry all this ''Randy did this'' n ''Randy did that'' has been wearing thiner and thiner for the past 7 years dude, this is the third relelgation battle we have been in the last three years, but hey its all O'Neils fault i keep hearing PMSL, Cos Poor old Randy Lerner had no say in what O'Neil ws spending did he?? I mean O'Neil FORCED Randy to spend money and wages didn't he? It is not the OWNER'S job to run a football club and ensure the financie's are SUSTAINABLE for the immediate future?? ;} clivethevillan

MON because the owner has no say. Reality is that some owners let their managers talk them in to stuff that is not in the best interests of the club. I like that AVB andLevy seem to be operating from an understanding. There are targets that have vluations. If they can be gotten, great. If not, on to the next one. Under no circumstances buy for the sake of buying.

As for lack of ambition, perhaps your definition is different than ENIC's. It certainly is to mine. I think wanting to be in Europe every year shows ambition. I also think that realism must come in to play. Can we expect to be in the CL when 5 of the 6 other clubs we are competing with all hav vast riches beoyond ours? We can hope and we can try to do things better. What we can't afford is to have too many mistakes the likes of Bentley that cause you to not be able to invest in players and salary. Whether anyone likes it or not, he, Keane, Jenas and others cost us by sitting. They get their wages and w not leave unless someone gives them what they are due. Bring in Leandro, pay him more than Defoe and or Dempsey and ten have him flop. Not only wasted wages but inflationary to boot. I think you should appreciate that we are well run. That we are punching above our financial weight. Stadium, CL all helps. But didn't Leeds and Newcastle have that? It can all go away just with a few poor gambles. Levy does not gamble. I am happy for that. We will live to fight this year and the year after. COYS
peterballb
"vast riches beyond beyond ours"...PeterB are you kidding us? Do you know how much Joe Lewis is worth?..have you seen the value of his art collection alone? if he sold one of his Matisse he could have bought Moutinho and Damiao together and still have change for David Villa...stop making excuses for these two hoods...Joe Lewis and Levy are not interested in Spurs the club only its resale value
OyVeh Maria
oyvehmaria, changing managers only sets you back in a system where there is a DOF and where players are continually bought and developed. Inter win a title on average every year. Do you know what else they do, on average every year? Fire a manager. Mourinho went there, coached the lads there and won. It is the job of the coach to do that. It's why I like a DOF system, because then the DOF would say, we need a striker and get the best one that they could. Coach gets input, budget still comes from above, but there is a striker in place. It's not the system we have so we have to accept that AVB and Levy are particular. RM go through a lot of managers too. Since the PL was created we have as many trophies as anyone not named United, City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal. Up til last year, even City had not fared better than us. As to back 4 in front of Lloris, given ijuris etc, it would be Naughton, Dawson, Vertonghen and BAE. Yes some guys are coming back. Gallas is now back. Kaboul will be soon. Yes we have rotated as needed to cover for injuries, but our defence has been solid since Lloris came in. Only 4 teams have conceded fewer. We are playing pretty well. 7W, 1L, 4D in the last 12 was not smoke and mirrors. Even on the scoring front, only 5 teams have scored more. We can still do better. Not playing Caulker on the right would be a good start. Less Walker another step forward. bAE and Parker hitting stride and we'll be one of the more solid teams out there. The Liverpool Arsenal game didn't make me think we were inferior. If Chelsea lost Cech they'd be dead in the water. United are leaky. City are probably the most solid. All of the top 7 clubs have issues. If Adebayor and Defoe get scoring, our issue is pretty much resolved. COYS
peterballb
Frank - Spot on, I completely agree.
MrSpurs
OyVeh Maria, why does that matter? he is not the owner of the team. Tavistock and Levy are as they own most of ENIC. Joe Lewis does not invest in the club. If you wish to buy it from him, he'll welcome offers north of 750M GBP and then that owner can do with their money as they choose. Lewis is a businessman. One of his businesses owns Spurs. He is not a Spurs fan (to my knowledge). He no doubt likes that his little investment continues to grow. It's Spurs that are the Matisse or the Picasso, not the players. They are the paint or the brush. His concern is end product (not that I know what e thinks, just what I presume). United and Liverpool have riches because they were in the world's eye for decades and continue to reap those riches. We were not. Well we were in the 70's but then lost it. Chelsea and City have Monopoly money, for now and then down it will come. Arsenal have built wisely and within budget. We will do the same. Day late and a dollar short? Perhaps. But we missed the wave and now must get on with it. CL would be a step, but the stadium is the next big step. We will, now and then, have to operate within our revenues. And is that not the proper way of doing it? COYS
peterballb
exactly...peter exactly...RM fire a manager and then because of the DOF if he says we need a striker they BUY one...we need a striker and what do we get...Dempsey! have you had a look at the quality of the manager RM buy when they fire one? have you seen how much RM spend on their club? You can't compare RM with us, what's there to compare? Ferrari vs Ford Mondeo! come back at me with a better comparison my old china your talking apples and oranges...of in the case of Levy, a complete lemon!
OyVeh Maria
peterbalb - in my opinion we've had a set back, mostly because of the mess Harry left the squad in. The summer window was 13 out and 6 in just to get us back to 25 plus guys like Rose, Khumalo, Dawkins, Obika out on loan. In effect AVB walked into a club where after a major cull he still had 29 players. Then the next window comes along and we manage to shift 2 but buy 2 so he's made no headway there. He also knows we've posted a £4m loss because of it and HIS football budget is being wasted on pointless salaries left by the previous regime. He will now have to go into his 3rd transfer window just to get us even somewhere near back to the 25 whilst a 1/3 of the financial year passes by as the close season. He has already identified 6 or 7 guys that have also turned 21 and will need to be registered if he thinks they can contribute. Life is not easy for AVB but I reckon if he fails at Spurs and leaves he will leave the squad in a very healthy state as he's clearly thoughtful about what he sanctions. I also think that Levy finally gets it and is helping to stop the revolving door of mediocrity syndrome we've been stuck in. We shall see but whilst I can whinge with the rest of us fans about no great striker joining for years, I see the bigger picture. AVB has to operate 2 out, 1 in for a while yet to get us lean and ready to be really competitive.
muttley
I thought this was a good read....http://spurs.theoffside.com/team-news/levys-catastrophic-blind-spot.html
shedboy2
OyVeh Maria, contrary to hat you just said, Mourinho really did not change te sqas aroun at RM or at Inter. He won by coaching talented players that were already there. There is nothing out there suggesting that AVB did not have say on players. His interview today seemed pretty honest and forthright. He did not want to sell Siggy. He thinks we have the players. Etc. If you haven't watched it, have a go. If all you can afford is the Dodge Caravan off lease, it really makes no sense to lament the fact you can't afford the Volvo XC90. Our situation is akin to Arsenal's and Everton's. Three clubs that live within their means and compete. I can't expect more, though I always live in hope. COYS
peterballb
muttley, what you say is correct and this is my main point. Almost everyone here said tat we would be lucky to finish in the top 6 when AVB was hired. Then they reiterated it when it was clear that we would not be getting a "Modric replacement". Then the stated it even more vehemently when VDV left. Even moreso when Dempsey came in. Yet, in 4th we sit, despite all this. And yes, next window AVB will have to bring in some players. Those should all be accompanied by guys going out, so we should be ok on the squad size. We were in for Willian. We were in for Leandro. They will likely no longer be targets. But he hasn't done nothing. lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele, Fryers, Holtby, Sigurdsson,Dempsey can all contribute. Most are young. We have lost some of our strongest players, but, IMO, the weakest links have been strengthened and there seems to be a direction of pull. I think it's all good. I'd have loved to have gotten Moutinho, Leandro and Willian but for 80M plus wages, not so much. 55M and where do we sign. It will all be sorted by next summer at the latest and if we can manage something with Gomes and Bentley, this summer. AVB knew what he was signing on for. Lvy is not looking at him as a short-term fix. He was willing to have Harry stay on too, but Harry got caught up in being Harry. The talent is in the squad to get top 4. It will take a few results against the grain and a few opponents dropping points. W're still in it. Rather be where we are than where Liverpool are. So dependant n Suarez and now Guardiola has identified him as a target. COYS
peterballb
.....yep the club is the Matisse, not the players on the pitch, just the land they play on...and so the beat goes on.....its not just the fans I feel sorry for it's AVB...im off to bed, gotta be up at 5:00 a.m. got a job down at Bristol to do before I travel up and stay at some at some skanky hotel in Castle Bromwich before I go to the match COYS to everyone
OyVeh Maria
peter - our situation is that we have no recognisd striker against West Brom which for a club chasing CL is embarrassing. It shows a lack of planning and poor management.
MrSpurs
Spot on Muttley. This is a marathon not a sprint.
Jantheman
frank- how dare you come on here and talk such sense.now please leave and let pb bore everyone to death.
topspur53
I have no doubt that if our targets were available within our valuation range and players willing to come on terms acceptable to us, we would have stumped the cash. 55M for Moutinho, Willian and Leandro, and it would have been done. 80M, which is what it would have cost at a minimum, is ridiculous. So we didn't gamble. I wish we had gotten Son and Belhanda. Both were available. That we didn't really go after them tells me that AVB didn't want them. His prerogative. I would have, but I am a fan and I don't have to worry about how buying Son chages AVB's plan. He does and it's why he will be extended or fired. COYS
peterballb
Enjoy the game OyVeh Maria. COYS
peterballb
Whilst I do agree with Muttley and Peterballb in Levy/AVB 'building the future' we can't let ourselves be like Arsenal who although are profitable, haven't been successful for almost a decade now.

Peterballb, I don't think you can argue with the fact that we should have bought a striker in this January's transfer window. Ade has not been performing this season (albeit playing in new position) and Defoe as you keep saying is a '1 in 9' man. Our scouts must have identified someone who is/will be better than what we have now right?
taniban
I guess, our progress is determined by how patient is Bale.
taniban
MrSpurs, the fact I don't like him does not make Defoe not a striker. He's apparently fit and along withDempsey means we have two guys who last year combined for 28 goals. This season they have 15 goals and 6 assists in the PL between them. They are off the pace but not far. Not ideal, but they are what we have

topspur53, I don't mean to bore. I explain my position, which happens to differ from some on here. I respect Frank. He talks sense. I just disagree with his conclusion. COYS
peterballb
tanibn, my point is, itdoesn't matter what I think. I was quite clear when I stated that I wold have bought Son and Willian, Negredo or Leandro, Sissokhno or Diame or Belhanda. It would have had to fit withing 50M. I believe it could have been costed and because of salaries coming off the wage bill would have had no long-term salary effects. AVB, like Harry, decides yes or no, then Levy tries to see i it can fit. They are working in a budget. Every signing has a knock on effect. Sign Drogba and Defoe is sitting. Fine by me, but if you then need to move Defoe and can't, you are stuck paying him. We have been liviong this for the past three years. Our wage numbers should have ben much lower which would have allowed a larger transfer budget, but we hoarded players. Obviously, there were no options available to AVB that he wanted. Watch the interview. Very telling, IMO. COYS
peterballb
pb- yes i should not be so harsh mate, but the way levy carries out transfer windows is making spurs a laughing stock imo.people say we outgrew harry, i feel we have outgrown ENIC.it wont stop me following tottenham,as long as i live thou.
topspur53
Another sop to satisfy the ENIC brigade. Poor AVB is being played and is being put out front to deal with this mess because Levy hasn't got the guts to front it out himself. He is greedy. He is a liar. He is not interested in Spurs as a football club. We are an inconvenience on his property development patch. Those sad, deluded and stupid enough to keep falling for the pro-ENIC propaganda you should remember what a football club is supposed to be about. Fairness. Ambition. Striving for success. Pushing to always be better. Daring to do better. Sound like ENIC? Like feck. I've had enough of them. What amazes more though is that some people insist on defending them. Do you not believe what you see with your own eyes? This lie is the footballing equivalent of the Emperor's new clothes. The scales fell from my eyes a long while ago. I can't wait for this pathetic regime to pass so we can be a football club again. When I first visited WHL 43 years ago on my day's knee it wasn't the bloody balance sheet that made me go there. It is what we deliver on the pitch that makes us a football club. Stop hiding from this plain simple truth.
SpuriousLife
* dad's knee
SpuriousLife
My point is, Levy should have signed a striker! Everyone in the world can see this is our weakest area and in my opinion we needed to strengthen this area to maintain our current league position.

THERE ARE better strikers out there for reasonable prices (or at least worth risking); Liverpool paid 9-15 mill for Sturridge who in my opinion is a lot better than Defoe.

To dare is to do; Levy just isn't showing this and to me he is just playing too safe.
taniban
perfectly expressed thfc We wanted a buy from levy and co, a goodbye,
topspur53
THFC, well said
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Hearing we ended up just a few bob short of the target, Levy did offer the washine machine, the fridge freezer, the tele, all the clothes in the flat and triggers car, we tried.
spu 4 life
Hope not the office fax machine, we need that.
Madaboutspurs
Didn't get the chance to comment here over the last week. I am not disappointed by window, coz my expectations were low, especially after announcing loss.

Start of Jan to end of Jan, we did improve the squad. Before seeing Holtby in action, I was a bit concerned. But his cameo against Norwich showed me that he could be better than VDV for us.

Likes of Arsenal, Chelsea, Untd, City didnt improve their squad. While Arsenal added a LB, I am not sure it is a signing that iproves them. They needed a DMF & probably a striker. They missed doing that. Liverpool improved by adding Coutinho. But I still dont think they improved in right place as well. They needed to strengthen their defense & DMF position, didnt do it.
We needed a striker. But what we are underestimating is the contribution of Dempsey & potential Ade could come in form. I really want Togo to do well unlike many. I feel, more he plays ,more responsibility he takes, better he will become. To me Defoe needs a break, just to get back his energy & come out of niggles.
I would start Dempsey, he has been in good form, scoring 4 in 5 games. I have faith in AVB & his stafff. Last year we lacked options, this year we have 3 to 4 players who can plan in multiple positions giving flexibility. We need to believe in team & back them.
sydqcb5
As for as Damiao, I should be the happiest Spurs knowing we didnt get him. 20m for a player who didtnt score a goal or do a assists in 655 minutes in Brazillian league ??? Scored well against average Olympic sides . Even a 13m is too much. Fact is he was good in 2010. His 2011 & 2012 form were woeful. Happy we didnt take him and be laughed at PL.
sydqcb5
sydqcb5, I think your break has allowed you time for a bit of clear thinking, amongst all the angst expressed on here, including mine! Time to move on. Give Kane a chance when we are in no risk, he might come good. So much now depends on Ade, it really does. I hope Holtbys cameo was a true reflection of how he normally plays. If it is I already feel confident about the rest of the season. We are in 4th, Bennys back, Daws has been re-invigorated, Ade is getting fit and confident, and Holtby looks promising. Next up Kaboul. Shame about Sandro, but his position is coverable. Lets all be honest, at the end of the previous transfer window, at the start of the season, we did not expect AVB to get us into this position. It is a tribute to his success that we now expect more. Yes, I know we dropped valuable points, but how much of that was down to the players.
jacobslad
If one thinks that a certain player's contract is worth some particular priced, then why would one pay a much greater amount for it? If you think a house is worth 350,000, why would you pay 550,000? Would you buy it at a price you think is way to high?
Total knobhead
If one saw a house for sale at 550,000 why would one go and offer 250,000? One would be a timewaster!
shedboy2
Serves us right for having one target If we'd bid £13m on January 1st to be rebuffed and told to cough up £20m, we could have moved on. We need a director of football in, because our activity in the transfer market has gone to rats**t since Levy took over. Comolli wasn't perfect but at least he scouted and didn't spend over the odds on foreign talent. It was only English players he couldn't judge properly, as we've seen at Spurs and Liverpool!
Bernio Villas-Spuras
sydqcb5- sad post mate...never expected much after we posted a loss, so not dis-appointed? didn't think Damiao was any good? competition didn't improve?....you are kidding yourself....keep it up. You must be thrilled we're in the the Prem...I wasn't expecting a signing but I know we need one (neither Modric or VDV sales were included in our last accounts). Perhaps Damiao won't be great but our scouts have identified him as the one player we need so either we didn't stump up for a player we need or our scouts are crap? neither is pleasing. Liverpool have 3 strikers and brought in Coutinho, Chelsea the same with Ba, Arsenal have been scoring for fun but with Gibbs injured have been playing a clown (santos) at LB, their defence is their achillies heel so they sign a LB regarded by many as the best in the world...but City didn't improve they just got rid of trouble in the dressing room (ballotelli) that will allow their other 3 strikers more game time Tevez, Aguero and Dzeko...I'm sure they'll struggle with those! I agree with the premise that you can't let it get into your psychy but as fans we need to voice our displeasure, it's the only way to try and keep the powers that be on course...if we just turn up and clap they will treat us like the Plebs they take us for....If Levy starts to find it uncomfortable sitting in his seat he do something about it....
shedboy2
Levy needs to start feeling pressure from the fans....he's not used to people criticising him, most people bow and scrape...maybe a few 'get your wallet out' taunts to start...
shedboy2
shedboy so you thought Damiao was good. If he can't get a goal in Brazillian league for 9 games, what makes you think he will succeed with us ? .
Let mine be a bad or sad post. I knew we wont spend so didnt have much expectations. To me, we lacked a no 10 than a no9, in all the points we lost against likes of QPR,WBA, Norwich etc etc. Everyone takes it to the edge of the box and pour strikers shoot from there. No one makes that final ball inside the box. Holtby will do that - watch for it.
sydqcb5
Yes, we could be a striker short and it could be down to Levy not opening his wallet. I do not want to talk about Levy & his strtegies. I am just saying, we started the season with 2.5 streikers in Ade, Defoe & Dempsey with 2 of those not having any preseason. Now we come out of Jan with 2.5 Strikers + a capable No10 coming with a heap load of confidence. So, we are not in as bad position as we were in summer. Apart from a niggling injury for Defoe, we have Dempsey who is showing a bit of scoring form (4 in 5) and Holtby with 7 goasl, 12 assists in season. Ade is getting much needed minutes under his belt with Togo - who knows we might see a energised Ade. Hoping Togo far into the tournament and Ade gets his confidence & focus up. I am just seeing the situation as half full than half empty and thats my opinion
sydqcb5
shedboy - really bad analogy. When did the Brazilians ever put a price tag on Damaio and when did we ever only offer 45% of that value. Stop exaggerating. The only person that did put a value on Damaio was AVB based on his understanding of the capabilities of the player and the value to his squad.

Let's remember that Levy can't value players, he will always rely on advice from others. He's had some really bad advice in the last few years from Harry. As an example Levy took advice from Harry on Pienaar. He was told his price was cheap BUT there would be a sizeable signing on fee and he would need £75k a week. Look where that got Levy as he watched Harry then ostracise the player, loan the player out and eventually sell him. That was probably £5-8m of bad advice from a selfish man who had no care for our club. AVB is hopefully different. He treats our budget as his budget and takes responsibility. No doubt he wants better players, especially up front but he's not gonna let his chairman be held to ransom in the market and it's rapidly becoming that his word is final. Surely as fans we have to see that as positive that finally our manager, chairman etc are working as one close knit team.

I will state again though that I'm not condoning us not getting a striker. The groundwork for that should have been done in Nov / Dec just like Ba and Sturridge was. Transfer deadline day should be for selling and loaning, not buying. We don't need lesser players who appear as bargains, we're a top 4 club.
muttley
sydqcb5- so you are saying our scouts are crap....good at least we know where the club need to improve. I stillthink we need a striker but I hope Holtby can provide and score in the number 10 role....I just wonder why we bought Dempsey and Gylfi who both already play that position? but then again you've answered that one already...are scouts are crap....doesn't fill me with confidence for the summer window!
shedboy2
Muttley- So you think we went through the 'negotiations' with the brazilians without them indicating what they wanted?....muttley that is naive. You come across as a Levy appologist on that post. I don't take it as a positive that our chairman and manager are such a close knit team that they identify the need for a striker but the only one in the world that is suitable is out of our price range. And really Arry again? The one consistent in our transfer failings is Levy, perhaps we should start looking there.
shedboy2
Our very own striker scouting report, from vital norwich; Harry Kane, who was on a season long loan, has returned to Spurs. The official line is that Spurs were unable to add attacking options in the transfer window and have opted to recall him. City boss Hughton confirmed the return: 'Spurs have recalled Harry Kane from his loan with us. 'He was unlucky with the injury. We would have liked to keep him, but wish him well. With Kane putting in a very poor display against Luton in the Cup, and hardly setting the world alight whilst he was here, it makes you wonder whether Hughton simply thinks Kane was not good enough. In slightly better news, Chris Martin may return after the weekend. He was due to be on loan for the rest of the season, but with Swindon Town now under a transfer embargo, the loan cannot be extended. Read more: http://www.norwich.vitalfootball.co.uk/sitepage.asp?a=307544#ixzz2JjQIK9Kh
spu 4 life
I really hope this is the the end of the Damiao saga - truly frustrating and embarrassing. I don't think Inter are easy to deal with and appear to have led us on on more than one occasion. Still unproven in a big league. Forget it and move on I say.
Zummerzet Spur
Peterbalb in two of your recent posts I have to totally agree with you. Firstly a DOF, not a frustrated Land Management Graduate with a rampant ego, who thinks he knows better and will do better at everybody else's job as well as his own, if he would stick to what he is allegedly good at, counting beans, and hire somebody with a knowledge and understanding of football so that together with the coach, to identify, source, negotiate for, and sign players, within a realistic budget, using informants, and contacts built up over a career in the game, rather than pi$$ing off everybody who he deals with, we would no doubt find the gems, the reasonably priced players that add to the team, and have a sell on value later. In short Levy get out of the fecking way, do your job, and let somebody who knows what they are doing, look after transfers, everybody, even ironically you, will benefit from this approach. Also Peterbalb you summed up what lots of us have said for years, that we suffer and are penalized by virtue of being owned by a guy with no interest in football, or THFC, except a purely financial one, we might just as well be a Sainsbury's supermarket (we will be soon) for all he cares, success on the pitch is immaterial, as long as success at the bank is assured. This is why from him, and his lap dog yes man, there is no sign of ambition to succeed on the pitch, only at the bank, this will never change during the ENIC tenure, but Bahamas Joe wont live forever, after all he is 80+, what will happen when he pops his clogs, interesting.
Frank
noone, shedboy2, Cleveland ARTSPURS, Moscovite, darkenvai, whitehartmart, Cape Town Spurs, Jantheman, Ioan X, Frank, OyVeh Maria, topspur53, taniban, thfc1882whl, Bernio Villas-Spuras, etc etc top posts from you all... I remember reading this site a few seasons back and the vast majority seemed to think the sun shined out of Levy's backside... Well Levy has been sussed finally by the vast majority of Spurs fans worldwide and the media. Of course Levy has his yes men like peterballb on here, who has a full time job for the Enic corporation PR department, which is to scan this site and respond and try to counter the truth with his pathetic stats and lies and his 'Enic are doing such a wonderful job' PR crap! The truth always comes out eventually, no stone remains unturned... You cant put lies in an 'empty' trophy cabinet, or on those 'empty' plots of land that Levy has created... ENIC OUT!
pelebro
peterballb Agreed with you on this window has been good work. AVB has said from the very start there would be NO signings this January so why should we not believe him. I reckon he was told before he signed that, that was the score but if he lived up to expectations and or exceeded them he would get his transfer money in the summer. AVB is no fool, so just we wait and see. IF nothing happens in the Summer then it is down to LEVY not AVB because who is it that controls the purse strings, AVB or Levy. If AVB wants a player he can't get him without Levy releasing the funds, it's as simple as that so no blame can be apportioned to AVB for our signing "failures".
chrishove123
chrishove123- 'AVB has said from the very start there would be NO signings this January so why should we not believe him.' errr, because we made two signings and bid on another perhaps?? BUT I agree we can't blame AVB for lack of signings...our transfer window has a familiar look to it....it has Levy's prints all over it!
shedboy2
 

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