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What exactly is our transfer policy at Spurs?

What exactly is our transfer policy at Spurs?

Jermain Defoe's injury has highlighted for many of us just how exposed we are as a club with only two recognised out and out strikers in the squad.

The nightmare scenario is almost upon us and the club's transfer policy is potentially about to be found out. Adebyour returns this week after Togo's departure from the African League of Nations to join Spurs as our only recognised striker. His goal tally stands at 4 Goals in 18 appearances and whilst many feel this is his chance to shine, an injury to him would leave us with; Dempsey, Harry Kane, who has been recalled from Norwich, and Jonathan Obika who found his way on to the team sheet against Leeds.

We have picked up four points from our last 2 away matches because of two goals that Gareth Bale has scored. We have scored just 3 goals in our last 4 Premiership Matches. So what happens if Gareth Bale picks up a knock in the Newcastle game? We have two Europa League ties coming up against Lyon this month with West Ham away in the PL four days after the Lyon second leg. Is Bale to play in every game for the rest of the season?

For many, Levy's prudent financial policy is causing unrest in the Spurs fan base. Newspapers report a backlash on social media sites with supporters worried about their striker plight even before Defoe picked up his injury yesterday. Last season we complained that there was not enough rotation of the squad. This season we have used our 28th player in the squad but that statistic hides the fact that Walker, Lennon, Bale and Defoe have been our most used players. These players are key to our continued push to CL qualification and to progressing to the more lucrative rounds of the Europa League. So how have we got to this point and why?

Why did Daniel Levy go for a new striker so late in the January transfer window? If Levy knew we needed another striker why did he leave it so late in January to start negotiations. Apparently Levy promised AVB Leandro Damião after the Norwich match, but the Norwich match was on the 30th January? You have to ask yourself if Levy is the right person to be choosing the squad? You also have to ask how good is our scouting team?

Newcastle managed to pick up Moussa Sissoko for £1.8m from Toulouse, in fact their scouts brought in 5 players from Ligue 1. So what exactly is it that our Club are looking for and how far ahead is our planning? Is our policy to look for players who are out of contract and try and get them on a freebie? We managed to find the money to bring forward the joining of Lewis Holtby and get him in the squad in good time. But if we can't afford players this window how do we still manage to find £13m to negotiate for Damião. If we had £13m that we were prepared to spend why were we waiting until the 12th hour to pick a player up whose minimum price is 8 times more than Newcastle spent on Sissoko? Why didn't we just go for Sissoko?

What exactly could we have afforded this January? How much time and effort did it cost us to negotiate for Damião? Why did we even bother if Damião was likely to break the club record that we spent on Luka Modric? Why are we going for strikers who cost too much so late into the transfer window? Why does Daniel Levy always leave it to the 12th hour to get a player? Mr Levy - what exactly is our transfer policy at this club?

Written by OyVeh Maria



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Writer:OyVeh Maria
Date:Monday February 4 2013
Time: 3:44PM

Comments

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Save money , but have scapegoats & excuses ready like Moutinho & Leandro .Smoke & mirrors

Always backed Levy but bring back the DOF ,he`s obviously bitten off more than he can chew .Great business man & well done for keeping Spurs in condition ,but leave the footballing side to footballing people .
big cockeral
04/02/2013 15:48:00
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Oh, he'll do, he costs about £5
olliewebb
04/02/2013 15:50:00
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bC, well put.
Little spur
04/02/2013 15:56:00
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Asked these questions last year, still damned if I can figure out the answers.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
04/02/2013 15:56:00
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Here Here Big C!
olliewebb
04/02/2013 15:57:00
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Buy them cheap, buy them young and sell them on at a profit if you can. Buy them cheap buy them young, and if they make it we save money. Plus buy older players at bargain prices. It is all about not spending unless you need to. We do after all have a stadium and training facility to pay for. COYS
4everaspur
04/02/2013 15:58:00
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Any one of the inexpensive strikers out there could have been afforded on the wage front. Son, Mitroglou, Castaignos, Graham, Remy, Hooper and no doubt many more could have been signed. Is it not possible that AVB does not want any of them? Could it not be possible that he has a clear picture of who he wants. Leandro was a target. The player never wanted to come. Funny that. I wonder how much his contract just got increased by stringing us along? AVB's expression was pretty clear. We would not be in for Leandro again. The only other guy out there who, IMO, represents exactly what we need is Doumbia. Was he available? I don't know. I do however get the impression that AVB has a plan and understands the limitations that come with being the manager at Spurs. He looked right peeved on the Leandro situation and quite disappointed in the Willian transfer. He wasn't going to bring in anyone on a 4 or 5 year deal that he didn't want. He did not want to lose Sigurdsson. There was apparently a profit to be made there. He did not want to lose the player. As I said from the get go, he has had a say in all the decisions. Ade, Defoe, Dempsey are just ready-made bandaids until we get what we really want. Saha is still available. I suppose if he felt desperate, there is a solution out there. It could also have been a solution to throw Coulibaly in to the fire (or Lancaster or Coulthirst) but this is not what he has chosen and I believe none of those are in the best interests of the club or players. Adebayor will be here for the next game. Him up top of Holtby has all he elements required so long as Ade shows up. He has the talent, can he summon up the motivation? Could he get crocked? Sure. Could Dempsey also? Sure. Then it comes down to Kane or Obika r you bring in Saha. It's not like there are a lot of people out there lining up for his services. I wonder why that is? COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 16:09:00
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i am so done with this "we have a training facility to pay for" myth... To my understanding Spurs owned the real estate at Chigwell and the redevelopment and sale of prime residential land in leafy hertfordshire pays for the new faciility wit change in the bank. this, therefore, is a non excuse
Cape Town Spurs
04/02/2013 16:17:00
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DOF has always, IMO, been the preferred route. Our last manager wanted nothing to do with it and our current one, though stating he has nothing against it, obviously came in and did not choose to have one. So here we stand. It's clear Harry had a say in all players bought for the senior squad. It is equally clear that AVB makes the same decisions. I believe Lloris, Vertonghen, Holtby, Fryers will all turn out to be quite inspired. Dembele will be a good one. Dempsey will contribute and I still hold out hope that Sigurdsson will settle and will be a very good signing. Oh well. It's our system and as AVB stated, this is all media driven and if there had been no window, we'd be where we are. What we didn't do is panic and set ourselves back by buying, just because. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 16:20:00
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CapeTownSpurs, it is people on here that are perpetuating the myth. ENIC's statements have been clear that the training facility and the new ground will not impact on the playing side. Revenues generated by the team will be spent on te team. Revenues from our developments, to my knowledge, have been set up to look after the ongoing servicing of those debts. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 16:23:00
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Sturridge out with a hip/thigh injury, Ba out with a broken nose, JD out with ankle injury. Been a tough few days for strikers. Good news is that Kaboul expected back around 25th Feb. www.physioroom.com
Cairnside Spur
04/02/2013 16:23:00
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Peter, throw-away statements like, "if there had been no window, we'd be where we are" (AVB's, not yours), are as absurd as they sound. Why? Because there are these windows! They exist. We are moments away from, 'they never 'ad it s good. Pheck me.
Cape Town Spurs
04/02/2013 16:26:00
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Never mind our transfer policy. The real problem is transfewr windows! It artificially inflates prices & wages, doesn't address the problem of agents touting their players as the thing was supposed to, it's made it worse. It does nothing to help planning the squad or assessing player recruitment due to injuries. The Arse were forced into buying Monreal last minute because of Gibb's injury whereas if the window didn't exist, they'd have had time to assess his lay off time before buying a stop gap if at all. Scrap transfer windows.

Spuds-U-Like
04/02/2013 16:33:00
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CapeTownSpurs, AVB does not show any such disrespect. Why is it so absurd that AVB and Levy were not willing to go outside of the plan? The whole time Jol was a manager we needed a LW and some decent MF'ers. They never came. We spent plenty and that was with a DOF. Sometimes, what is out there is not what you want. So the choice becomes, make do without or buy what you don't want. I'd say that there is always the optio to pay above the odds, but those guys are all playing for teams that need them in their sides, so they aren't going to be coming. I think this summer might be a disaster as well because Bayern apparently have 280M to spend on players and have already indicated they want Suarez and Falcao. I would certainly hope that we have guys signed the moment the next window opens as I feel that there will be a lot of top players being bought. RM, Bayern, the big Italian clubs, Chelsea and City will all be spending. It's all very inflationary. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 16:38:00
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The policy is too buy cheap, we have champagne aspirations, and a lemonade budget, and if you need to offload ask top dollar. In order to quell dissent from the natives, feed them regular helpings of bollox, particularly in transfer windows.
Frank
04/02/2013 16:42:00
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whatever happenned to doumbia,did anyone sign him
ghulamville
04/02/2013 16:44:00
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come on peterball-do you really think bayern have 250million to spend?bayern never operate like this
ghulamville
04/02/2013 16:49:00
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to answer this read these great articles by euanw on total tottenham, they really are a must for any spurs fan wanting to know where our chairman is coming from: http://www.totaltottenham.com/blogs/levys-transfer-strategy-part-1/ http://www.totaltottenham.com/blogs/levys-transfer-strategy-part-2/
wiltshirespur
04/02/2013 16:51:00
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To sign any half decent looking player who are either A) nearing the end of their contract (Pienaar, Holtby, Vertonghen, Dempsey) or B) completely unwanted by their club. Siggy, Ade, VDV
Guyver
04/02/2013 16:54:00
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Our transfer policy is the opposite of Tesco's adage 'pile it high, sell 'em cheap'.
lordjohnny
04/02/2013 16:56:00
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spot on frank says it all really.has AVB not been looking at players he likes since he left chelsea. so fed up listening to all the people making excuses for last 6 windows i stop reading certain posters. this forum is full of people who believe their opinions are actually facts, and just keep repeating themselves again and again, then abuse others who dont agree.
topspur53
04/02/2013 17:05:00
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Don't know what Levy is doing this time around, but he better be looking for quality signings and finalizing them way before the summer or let a professional D.O.F. do this cause we aren't gonna be lucky long enough to stay in our league position until we finalized stadium plans with his current policies. We are plain fortunate to have Bale and other cheap quality he's found, but that doesn't last for long. We need a striker, a reasonable investment that could have us being right behind Man U by now and achieve further exposure/fans/income. (apparently) It's not a big risk Levy!
dcruzer
04/02/2013 17:07:00
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Yeah dof worked well for us last time, I mean maybe we could have a David Bentley up front! Scouting needs to be improved beyond belief but its time for everyone to put their toys back in their prams
spurticus87
04/02/2013 17:10:00
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Levy wants to bring in young players develop their game a little and then sell that player on for a profit which actually means when our players are at the peak of their career they will be sold leaving us where ??????
krafty007
04/02/2013 17:12:00
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Quincy getting rid of Graham Carr spurticus, really did for us. Look who he's found for the barcodes! Scandalous.

Spuds-U-Like
04/02/2013 17:17:00
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Capetown- who mentioned the training ground before you quoted the 'myth'? It was my understanding it cost 40m but we'd double our money once the 'leafy' land has been sold....Has it been sold? Peter-you honestly believe spending 40m on a training facility and 450 debt for a stadium won't affect our transfer ability? you believe the people who tell us exactly the opposite every window? We're leveraged up to our eyeballs....come the summer we will have saved on Salaries and re-couped more outstanding transfer fees so we should be able to get a couple of decent players in....
shedboy2
04/02/2013 17:20:00
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ghulamville, I presume that the spending will also include monies made from player sales. I would not be shocked to see a massive change in personnel and I could certainly see them being in for Suarez and Falcao (there's 100M right there). Guardiola did not take the job to build slowly. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 17:22:00
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We have had a striker crisis for the last 3 or 4 seasons, that is if we have any genuine interest in CL qualification. So DeFoe is out injured...will we miss his flood of goals? Obviously not so anyone could play in his place and be just as non-productive on the goals front. Ah, but Ade is back this week...well if he continues the way he has started under AVB we really will not notice any change to our goal threat. Fact is Levy stuffed Harry on the striker front after our first CL qualification and has continued to do the same every window since. This "plan" that PeterB seems to know about between AVB and Levy seems to have no sense of priorities or contingency if it exists at all beyond Buy Cheap, feed the media and fans with BS regarding quality players and never reveal the true state of finances of the club. If AVB manages to obtain CL qualification with the current squad he will have exceeded realistic expectations. He is just the latest in a long line of managers to be stuffed by Levy.
Harry-Kari
04/02/2013 17:22:00
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I say when Kaboul is fit he should play up front in a new role. Would terrorise defenders with pace, power and a cannon shot. We have 5 CB's so throw him up top.
COYS R US
04/02/2013 17:25:00
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unlike all the other conjecture that has no basis whatsoever in reality or in fact, but hey, it's much easier to justif throwing mud for mud's sake. The fact that one does not like C does not mean that A+B does not =C. To listen to some. We have the worst owners in the PL. Since tat can't be backed up by numbers anyway, let's just throw a whole buch of it and hope something sticks. Some on here would seem the epitome of spoiled brats. All entitled to their opinions though as this is a forum for Spurs fans. Maybe one should just ring up Lewis and ask him to sell the club. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 17:28:00
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can anyone help , how much are spurs in debt compared to chelsea , my chelsea ininlaws is giving me an ear bashing saying that chelsea are a well balanced club and spurs are in serious debt , also any other news i can slam down his throat would be much appreciated , thanks
ledleygomez
04/02/2013 17:29:00
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COYS R US Bang on .Kaboul up top sounds like a man with a plan
big cockeral
04/02/2013 17:29:00
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Levys transfer policy is we want something for nothing
whitehartmart
04/02/2013 17:31:00
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The Damiao bid was always likely to fail as this guy will not go on the cheap, if he goes at all. Seems like he lacks ambition and wants to stay with Inter forever, judging by his statement today. DL will only ever be a dealer for the good bargain as he has taken risks before on big money signings that haven't worked (Bentley, Bent, GDS) but bought/sold well on Berba and Modric. Strikers are very different as the value is ALWAYS higher and they are judged if they are good or not by goals. That is far more difficult for DL to secure under his bargain/risk policy.
COYS R US
04/02/2013 17:31:00
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peterballb C`mon don`t take it so personal .Fans just want there club to do well & finally overtake Arsenal & maybe even Chelsea ,it`s possible .

But Spurs keep getting caught with their trousers around their ankles & not seeing that an opportunity is there for the taking .Frustration is not the word when it`s right there in front of you .Maybe we will finish 4th & many including me will be left looking pretty stupid & with egg on our faces .
How more seasons are we going to look back & say ,should have done this should have done that ? Spurs are not learning .Newcastle looked good with their extra signings ,you must consolidate your position .

Hindsight is great ,but sometimes it`s not needed .Hasn`t been needed the last 2 seasons & this one ,groundhog season .Look pretty in january then collapse & let others in .
The signs are there & Levy did not act when he should`ve .
big cockeral
04/02/2013 17:36:00
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To be fair to Levy he has done it right apart from the Striker we have needed for the past 3 seasons. I still believe we are one striker away from having a title challenging squad for the next 3 to 4 years.
spurspanther
04/02/2013 17:38:00
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Our transfer policy is well publicised for all to see clearly and has stood us in good stead in what has been steady progress the past 10 years. We all want more of course. You mention Sissoko who has played once in the prem and played well (hope he plays less well this week) he scored 1 goal in France this season and buy all accounts was average at best, clearly with Raw talent, a decent punt at 1.5 mill. He is young like Holtby who we paid 1.5 mil for in the same window.
tophobunty
04/02/2013 17:46:00
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Harry-Kari, while I fully get where others are coming from (and I don't lightly dismiss the thrust of the accusations), I also believe it to be possible that our coach is not going to blow his wad on players he does not want. If anything, he seems rather particular on what and who he believes will work. His comments and the fact that we did not sign any of the multitude of almost guys out there (regardless of what you, I or any other fan thinks of them or believes our needs to be) would seem to think that there is another thinking going on here. Did anything in his comments the next day seem to indicate that he was unhappy with the Chairman? Did any of his coments leading up to and throughout the window indicate that we were looking to sign players? I suppose if we all want to just assume he is lying or is nothing more than a puppet, then the issue is with the owner. Though he was not in my first 5 (maybe not even first 10) options to take over from Harry, he has done nothing but be straightforward and get results. He is clearly learning (as any manager should) and is getting the team to perform, despite all of the shortcomings and the injuries. He's coaching. Not spouting his mouth off about this player and that player and stating how glad he is that his former employer beat us, or calling fans idiots. He is doing his job, and with very little support from the fans (as I see it - too many wouldbe happy for him to fail). As I see it, he mad plays for three players we had been in for before. 1 didn't want to come (at all apparently), 1 was completely priced out of the market and we got 1. We also added Holtby who looks quite a good player with even more potential. I see the facts adding up to the opposite of what others are concluding. I don't think he is being "stuffed" by Levy. I think he recogni9zes that he will have to stay within budget and to do that he needs to choose wisely and not sign the next Keane, Defoe, Crouch and throw away the 40M he is being given on players that are just fill-ins for today with contracts that run 4 or 5 more years. Harry's comments suggest we are still paying most of Jenas' wages. We probably have to do the same with Bentley next season. Hopefully Gomes earns a new deal somewhere. Since most stated we'd be lucky to get 6th, why people aren't dancing in the streets rather than lamenting that we weren't winning the title is beyond me. I have no "information" on a "plan". The actions and statements of the parties involved indicate strongly, IMO, that there is a plan and it is not a one window plan. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 17:49:00
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tophobunty- our transfer policy has changed from re-investing player sales and adding that to the transfer budget (which saw us make steady progress) to over the past two years just re-investing most of the players sales (no additional budget)- it remains to be seen if this will result in any more progress....
shedboy2
04/02/2013 17:57:00
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Damiao if bought may not have become an immediate success , Would anyone have thought Torres would struggle?. Demsey Kane, Adebayor now have a chance to step up. Appart from signing Bentley our signings have improved the team, slow but steady progress.
camper
04/02/2013 17:57:00
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sorry off topic but can Adebayor now play on Saturday??
gazzalegend
04/02/2013 18:02:00
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Cant see us paying nothing towards Jenas contract. Not when QPR are paying Samba 100k a week. Harry talks alot of tripe
spurspanther
04/02/2013 18:05:00
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Peter- conjecture is what you are using re: AVB/Levy's relationship ....conjecture re: AVB wanting to stay within 'budget'....see we all do it...
shedboy2
04/02/2013 18:05:00
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gazzalegend- in Theory yes....
shedboy2
04/02/2013 18:08:00
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spurspanther- so how much do you think we're paying towards Jenas' wages?
shedboy2
04/02/2013 18:10:00
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BigC, fans may want to overtake Arsenal and Chelsea. The latter is impossible on the wage or transfer fee scale, but was done last season in the table. The former will require us to achieve more with less. That's what we are trying to do. I am not the one making comments about other people's opinions. The fact I disagree and am willing to so state makes me a target. Nothing new. I will change my opinion when I see that the facts no longer support what I am saying. There is not a shred of evidence that what others are foisting on the masses is at all correct. Harry never said this. Jol never said this. Ramos never complained that he didn't get the players he wanted. AVB has not either. You can't make Leandro come. You can't make Shakhtar accept a reasonable amount when someone else is willing to pay OTT. We can go toe to toe with Fergie and Liverpool and win some battles for the hearts and minds of some players. This is not groundhog day because it is a new manager with a new plan. Until he has culled the unwanted and brought in what he wants, I will not judge his transfer policy. All the disgruntled are gone. Most of the dead wood too. He has put Gomes in a spot to hopefully entice him in to a move. bentley, we will have to pay someone to take him on just as we did with Jenas. I still expect all of that will be accomplished within his first three windows. Since 2008-2009 revenues have gone from 113M to 144M last year with a top of 163M in the CL season. Salaries were 60M i 2008-2009, 67M 2009-2010 and then 91M in 2010-2011. Last year's sum has not yet been released but I'll be surprised if it went anywhere but north of 100M. I can only imagine as salaries will have again increased as all of Sigurdsson, Dempsey, Dembele, Lloris, Ade, Holtby, Vertonghen are al on serious salaries and the contracts of Bale, Defoe, Lennon and Walker were all increased. So, just an educated guess but Revenues of 150M or so and wages (which should be at 70% tops) of 110-120M. I'll let others do the math. I expect a small loss this season from the team side of things. We also spent 5M more than we sold, so it will not be a modest loss. Next year will be better (regardless of CL) as we will finally have the dead wood gone and there is another 20M in TV revenues. CL could add another 20-30M assuming we get in to the group stages. That buys a couple of quality players. That's it.

We will not wind up with egg on our faces because, other than Everton, we are competing with 4 teams for 2 places who have vastly superior resources to us. That it will be annoying to again be pipped by Chelsea or Arsenal, they are the ones who would be embarrassed by us pipping them. Not the other way round. They have the resources, we do not. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 18:12:00
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Sweet FA, so called we even got a very small fee for him. Levy would not pay his wages while QPR are splashing the cash.
spurspanther
04/02/2013 18:14:00
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shedboy, how is it conjecture that our club runs a small profit or loss every year since ENIC have been running the club. Tha is fact. It is also fact that every year but one (last year) we have spent more in the transfer window than we have sold. Again, fact. Levy, in his statement stated that we remain in complince with FFPR. Fact. Leandro has stated he did not want to come. Fact. Willian went for monies we would not spend. OK there I am going by what AVB said directly and by the history of ENIC. I'll call that one highly probable. I think if you listen to AVB's interview, it seems that the facts I have relied upon are backed up by his statements. That you and others (pperhaps even me) don't like it does not make it any less so. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 18:17:00
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yes shedboy our transfer policy is in the public domain and as you quite rightly point out is in line with all other industries in the severe economic down turn, there is shrinkage on budget as with most other clubs apart from those in a semi desperate situation and all other industries. Football can no longer be immune.
tophobunty
04/02/2013 18:20:00
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spurspanther, I think it likely that we paid off Jenas and he, like with Crouch, accepted lower wages on an 18 month deal, because our "payoff" compensates him for what he was to lose. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 18:20:00
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shedboy, when you are right, you are right. We do not invest heavily in the club beyond what is generated from sales like we used to. But then we now spend 70% of revenues on wages where we used to spend 50%. Again fact supported by audited figures (ok, granted some speculation as to this year's numbers)COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 18:22:00
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do we not have any other photos of Levy? and nude ones?
tophobunty
04/02/2013 18:24:00
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We all know what the transfer policy is, why ask? Such nievity. Nothing is happening until you hear about it in the media, and the laughable thing is you believe that. Business is way over your head isn't it.
Med1
04/02/2013 18:27:00
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I said we should have bought Balotelli when we had the chance. .... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-city/9846595/Mario-Balotelli-scores-twice-on-his-AC-Milan-debut-but-flies-into-storm-with-a-controversial-penalty-decision.html
chrishove123
04/02/2013 18:30:00
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Med1. well said
tophobunty
04/02/2013 18:33:00
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You know what? I think everyone should just lighten up spark a blunt kick back and listen to THIS. ................................................ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30Acy8Z9jkw
chrishove123
04/02/2013 19:05:00
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Can someone answer a question on transfers. How many clubs in the premier league have spent less than money on new players than what they have brought in. My guess is not many. So we can throw that debate away. Surely every club has a yearly budget and then player sales on top. The owners have not spent much money for ages now. My guess is if we were the wrong end of the table they would find money for new signings but the last two seasons when we need a players brought in they have not given us much in. The next transfer window will be made up of money from the Bale sale. I think we have gone backwards this season. We have tighten up at the back but have played with 6 midfield players. We really have struggled breaking teams down and the less said about our lack of strike force the better. When it blows up again this season then the owners should get used to criticism coming at them. Levy holds onto the pulse strings too tight. We need a DOF who will have no problem spending the money he is given each season. What qualifies Levy to pick and chose players anyway. He is a business man, simple.
nothappyharry
04/02/2013 19:25:00
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For Levy the transfer window is story time. He makes up a load of hard luck, near miss, last second bollox to appease the gullible and stupid Spurs fans that haven't worked out that this is the same pattern we've experienced for numerous windows now. He must thank his lucky stars that there are still a few Spurs fan silly enough to believe a single word that comes out of his mouth. He is a land developer and we are an inconvenient stain on his real estate development plans. The aim is to keep us in Europe but out of the CL as that is too expensive and puts him under unnecessary pressure to strengthen the playing squad and increase salaries. He also manages to find myriad excuses to keep putting off actually building our much promised new stadium. There is no way they want to invest £450m but they do want to be able to sell the potential to build a new stadium to the next owners. That's why everything is in place and ready to go but there is always a reason why we can't actually start the work. Levy is a master of bull ****. It's about time some opened their eyes and faced facts.
SpuriousLife
04/02/2013 19:47:00
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nothappyharry, I suspect as any DOF would still have to spend within the realms of revenues. As we make a nominal profit or loss every year, there really is no more room unless what is being advocated is that we spend beyond our means. If that's what people want, that's easy. Our owners won't do it, but Southampton, QPR, Villa and othershave all done that. Shouldn't leave out Chel;sea and City but they do have huge revenues too, so it is not quite as absurd as Fernandez having a net spend in one year equivalent to 10% of his net worth (not including wages). Comolli, like him or not, spent large but still remained within our revenues. It's just in those days our wages were nowhere near what they are today as a percentage of overall revenues. What was Levy doing by increasing the wages of Bale, Walker, Lennon and Defoe in the summer if not protecting our assets? This all costs money. I'll bet Bale's wages have trebled over the past 5 years. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 19:49:00
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http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premiership-transfers/tottenham-hotspur-transfers.html
shedboy2
04/02/2013 19:53:00
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SpuriousLife, even if I presume that Lev could not give a rat's butt about Spurs, I find it incongruent that he would not want to have us in CL. It garners more money from sponsors etc. He could always just not spend at all. Massive net gain last year in the transfermarket (though net loss overall if anyone cares). He could have done the same this season. We could still have been competitive and perhaps qualified for Europe. No need for a fancy manager. Hughton was available. He would not have cost what AVB did. No need really to buy any of the guys we did. There were cheaper, less good options out there. Surely didn't need to up the wages of Bale, Modric, Defoe, Lennon. I know and understand that people are unhappy that we didn't get a striker. I, having watched him the past 2 seasons in Brazil, am unhappy Leandro does not want to come. But to try and suggest that Levy's 29% share in ENIC is not worth more with a stadium and with us in CL makes no sense at all. Wouldn't he do everything to maximize his gains? If it were my "asset" and all I were trying to do is get the most back for my return, I'd want to be selling a CL club with a brand new stadium and a balance sheet and playing squad that is competitive. That's just me though. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 20:00:00
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Peterballb - all he's doing is making sure we stay at a simmer but never actually get to the boil. That way he saves money each year he has his shares but can sell the 'potential' we have for top dollar when he finally decides to sell. His whole job is based on that - keep us close to being great but not quite great because great is high maintenance and expensive. Great is good to sell but unnecessarily expensive to maintain.
SpuriousLife
04/02/2013 20:05:00
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shedboy, that's all well and good, but it does not include all of the transfers. You have a source, I use another one. I prefer Transfermarkt because it is more complete. Either way, we spend more or less what is coming in and, at year's end, revenues equal expenditures, again, more or less. Your numbers show the same regardless of which side they nominally come out on. There are no huge profits, no huge debts shown in any of the numbers for this year. We spent what we brought in while increasing salaries. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 20:19:00
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SpuriousLife, I think that's pretty cynical and does not maximize profits. Having CL, if you live within your means, makes the club more valuable, thus his 29% more valuable. Once the stadium is in play, the club will be worth well over a billion GBP. If we are in CL yearly, the club will be worth a billion before the stadium opens. Either way, he is the choice of Lewis and I do not see that changing because both of them stand to gain huge. I just don't take AVB as being a stupid man and he would certainly have to be about as sharp as a spoon to not know the limitation within which Spurs are governed. Time will tell. Levy didn't need to up Bale's wages to get what he would want for him in the market. Lots of interest out there. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 20:34:00
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PeterB, the bottom line (which you love to quote) is that money has been available to buy what we need but we haven't for at least the last 4 seasons. If you take your scenario of AVB saying to Levy "No, I don't want player x,y,or z" this sounds the same as fans were accusing Harry of doing. Is it the manager turning down red-hot prospects from our own deluded DOF/Chairman or is it the DOF/Chairman offering poor players to the manager and him having to reject them? If AVB really thinks by doing that that Levy will store the money in a piggy-bank until there is £20-30 million to spend on a quality player he will be very disappointed. The only difference between Harry's time and AVB's is that AVB pays more attention to detail and has achieved good results with an average squad containing maybe 2 world-class players at best (Bale and LLoris) some good ones (Lennon, Vertonghen, Sandro) and the rest average at best. The common theme between the 2 eras is Levy and his inability to buy the right players at the right time.
Harry-Kari
04/02/2013 20:43:00
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Nice article here saying all isn't lost http://spurs.theoffside.com/team-news/reasons-to-be-cheerful.html? It also contains a great truism "From those deluded enough to think Daniel Levy is infallible, to those paranoid enough to think he deliberately wants us to fail, and all those inbetween; we are of a like mind broadly speaking. Everyone is a supporter, whatever their viewpoint."
In-spurs-ational
04/02/2013 20:45:00
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SpuriousLife, I believe I owe a tenner to the charity of your choice
In-spurs-ational
04/02/2013 20:47:00
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In-spurs give it to your own charity. It was a bet I wanted desperately to lose! I'm sure we'll be OK because we have the best fans in the league. COYS.
SpuriousLife
04/02/2013 21:06:00
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SpuriousLife, thanks for that. Every little bit helps.
In-spurs-ational
04/02/2013 21:12:00
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Hrri-Kari, which money is that? I am not being smart here. There have not been any considerable net profits or losses for some time. Yes, we could take on a larger loss, to be sure, but that is not the way ENIC run. I believe like every club, we operate from a list. There are guys you would like compiled by the scouts and vetted by the coach. Then it becomes Levy's job to try to do the dea. I don't really see Levy as being the guy doing the identifying of talent. I'm sure he gets called by other Chairmen and puts any proposals, suggestions to AVB, as I presume he would have done to Harry, and Juande and Martin. Harry said that the chairman came to him with the VDV deal. Presumably we had interest but the price was at issue. RM knew this and called when they decided whatever we could/would offer was the best they could do. Suarez, Harry himself said that our scouts thought he was too similar to VDV. Clearly another guy on the list. We passed. Leandro we wanted and did not get. Seems he did not want to come (now there are again rumopurs that it was the third party ownership that was at issue). I'll read between the lines of what AVB said and didn't say and add to it what Leandro is saying and conclude that he didn't want to come. The conditions were not right. No we will not be back in for him. I do recall that Aguero and Rossi both got pay increases as a result of our "interest". Were we being strung along by agents? Was Levy a dupe? Would they have been on our list? The first two, I don't know. They would have been on any club's list so I presume they were on ours. I am just glad we are not discussing what we will be doing with Forlan and Neville for three more years. Levy is not infallible. Many decisions he has made have not sat well with me. On the balance though, he has, IMO, done very well for our club. When was the last time we were in Europe 6 years out of 7? COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 21:12:00
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Harry-Kari our Squad is much better then average. We are one striker away from having our best squad in years. Lloris, Walker, Kaboul, Verts Esso, Dembele, Sandro, Lennon, Holtby, Bale and the mystery striker. Team 2. Friedel, Naughton, Dawson, Caulker, Fryers, Parker, Hudd, Townsend, gylfi, Dempsey, Ade. Also Gallas, Livermore and Defoe. Not to many teams in world football have better squads
spurspanther
04/02/2013 21:20:00
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Not much point in continuing this two bald men fighting over a comb argument. More interestingly, someone needs a slap on the back for Holtby's signing. He looks very sharp, and puts me in mind a little of Barmby N. when he first played for us, and before he went all home sick for oop north, and his career subsequently went over a cliff. Anyone agree?
lordjohnny
04/02/2013 21:44:00
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LJ, that's probably a fair assessment. I look at him as an energized VDV. His shot the other day was anything but shy. The keeper was not catching that one. I think he is going to be sme player. We need more of that from all of our players. With that level of effort, there's no way we lose to Leeds or draw at QPR or Norwich. I wish I could say we outhustled teams every week. Nothing wrong with letting the ball do the work when in possession but when the other team has the ball you have to exceed their work rate. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 21:58:00
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Peterballb love your one man stand for sanity, just hope you have a good therapist, the amount of>>>"I wan't someone to blaim and logic be damned" is at times, mindboggling. So instead of that should we be talking about the need for a D.O.F. again and maybe someone can supply an inside idea of just how our scouting, (or lack of it) actually works? I mean do we even have any?
Underspur
04/02/2013 21:58:00
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underspur, I think our scouting is working fine and the Spurs non-senior players all seem to be doing rather well at all ther levels. Holtby, Fryers were brought in. They both have huge potential. Pritchard, McEvoy, Smith, Luongo. There are lots of players that look like they will be part of the discussion. 5 years ago, there was not much in the system that was not getting a run in the big team. I think we have come a long way. Timewill tell. Really glad we came to terms with Pritchard though. COYS
peterballb
04/02/2013 22:03:00
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