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Lets hear it for the boys!

Recalling the comments by Clint Dempsey about the tense atmosphere at our recent home games, I was hoping to see and hear a real positive vibe in a must win game on Sunday.

I often think that when people write such statements, they are demanding that fans simply praise the team blindly and regardless of how they are playing, but it is also obvious, that all too often we as fans have tended to get our panic's in early and get on the players backs if all isn't running to plan after the first 20 minutes or so. At the very least there has to be something in between and despite the feelings from some that when you pay your money, you are entitled to voice your opinion. However aren't we also there to support our team, even when things are not quite as we hope?

As the 'voice of reason', I have never booed a Tottenham player and tend to follow the theory that players don't deliberately set out to play badly or that managers don't pick teams to lose, but these things can happen, whether you are playing on the biggest stage or for your Sunday pub team. Of course I shout and swear at the idiot who gives the ball away or the striker that misses an open goal, but what is always important is that these moans are in isolation(ish) and on balance I support the team, regardless of whether we are winning, losing, playing well or absolute garbage.

This Sunday, our team need us and we need them to put in a top draw performance to beat a City side that have won eight in their last nine games. Even if things aren't going well, lets get behind the players and sing for the team. I never quite believe that the fans become an extra man, but I certainly believe that in supporting as opposed to being critical, eases pressure on players whose performances suffer as a result. Lets at the very least not give the players the excuse that they felt the pressure from the home crowd and instead lets get behind out team and who knows we might get rewarded with three points this weekend...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Thursday April 18 2013

Time: 9:03AM

Your Comments

if the club are in any doubt about the support, perhaps they should pipe positive chants thru the sound system and ask us to join in or at least drown out any booing...
oxfordspur
Wish i could be there for the boys, those of the site that are going put in that extra passion for me please? I shall be watching from the box.......having kittens as usual although this sunday i do believe it will be fully fledged cats.....COYS.
Jocka101
Couldn't agree more. My only moments of disgust are instant reactions to a mis-placed final ball for example or indeed directed at the officials but never ever have I booed a player or performance. What good will that do? BIG game this weekend, the lads need all the help they can get.
Pride 1882
Jocka101, I wont even be able to watch it live on the box mate. am on a coaching course and will have to rely on recording the game :-(
oxfordspur
Well our home games have been pretty monotone this year, no real inspiring victories that I can think of, loosing at home to Fulham with there shocking derby record and it being such as crucial time in our season, not sure what he expects, the players are the only ones that can relieve the tension, give us something to shout about, the build up has been so pedestrian, chances squandered, Dempsey is as guilty of that as our other 2 strikers. I'm not a booer, but it drives me insane when easy chances are wasted through simple lack of composure. I will always be behind the team Dempsey, but you got a give a little to get a little.
coys1717
Have been thinking of writing a similar article Ox. We need to create a hostile atmosphere for teams to come to. Especially against city. Did anyone see the Everton V City game earlier in the year. The everton fans were on citeh every time they got the ball and thats what we need to do. Make White Hart Lane a ground people hate to come to. I also think we could take a few pointers from European teams... COYS!!
millspur
Ox that is torture pal, not to mention not finding out the result before you boot the sky box up......horrible. What course Ox? I have done my Level 1 FA certificate
Jocka101
PS What happened to the massive drum that used to be at spurs games. That always used to pipe up in quiet moments.
millspur
Of course those of us in the ground will give our full support. Unfortunately because of our end of season collapse over the last couple of seasons there is inevitable nervousness and tension amongst the crowd. It wouldn't be Spurs without it. We must turn that into a positive for the team and the fans. I really believe we should follow the pattern used by many clubs in Europe where they give access to the tannoy system to 'pre-selected cheer leaders' to get the crowd chants and singing going. It happens a lot in Italy, Greece and Portugal. I don't know if it is outlawed here but if not it is a really good way of getting the crowd going and buiilding up a positive atmosphere. It would also be nice to have the big bass drummer back in the crowd. That was always a good way of getting things going positively amongst the crowd. I'm not sure if they'll let us sing 'Yids' with the drums anymore though. One final thing that will help is having a couple of the massive club flags which the fans can pass above their heads in the stands to gee up the crowd and players. Football grounds are a little sterile these days. I know it has been done to make them safer and more family friendly which is a great thing but generating a real buzz and electric atmosrphere is what WHL was always about.
SpuriousLife
Probably health and safety millspur someone might go deaf or get clattered by a drumstick for being a tosser.....you know that sort of thing.
Jocka101
coys1717 - losing at home to Fulham was the killer. Last night our rival Chelsea go away to Fulham and win emphatically... If we want to finish above Chelsea, that is not the best way to go about it... Whilst we have the 2nd best away record in the league, we sadly have the 7th best home record in the league when approaching the Citeh game... I don't often say this, but Man C at home is a must win match in order to give us a good chance of top 4. Anything else, and we would need result at Chelsea or we are relying on the rivals to mess up. At present the rivals are improving...
TonyRich
Whilst I agree with the sentiment of your discussion OX, it actually really annoyed me when Clint gave that interview. The fact is, we have all seen this before, and no matter how many times the players come out and say “it wont happen again” until they start playing with confidence and winning games outright there will always be that anxiety in the crowd. 3 points is 3 points, but apart from Inter at Home im struggling to remember a game all season where I could sit back and think “this one is ours”! I don’t agree with booing, nor do I agree with clapping a pass that goes 20 yards off its target. These guys get paid an absolute bucket load for doing what they love (unless you’re BAE) so instead of blaming the fans for the pressure, they need to spur us on. On a separate note, I really thought Fulham would get something out of last night’s game before KO. We will need to play every game like a cup final to get into the top four. Arsenal & Chelsea just don’t look like losing at the moment.
hudderspur
hudderspur - agree with all of that.
TonyRich
There's weight to Dempsey's comments...how else do we explain different Spurs sides, under different managers and coaching staff "bottling" it around this time every year?

It has to come down to the fans and the negative vibe we give off, fearing the worst. How many times have we each said "we must be cursed"..."same old Spurs" etc? Around this time of year, fans enter White Hart Lane expecting us to throw it away, because that's what we do.

It may seem stupid or hollow but maybe simply praising the team blindly and regardless of how they are playing could be the key to finishing above the scum this season.
KierzoSBC
we have to win all remaining fixtures, that's the only way we will guarantee CL football next season, no good expecting others around us dropping points, not at this stage of the season, you have to make your own luck. Congratuations on the arse is tant on the RVP goal last night, just have to hope they are all a yard behind play and defoe should score plenty.
spu 4 life
Agree we need to get behind the lads it is going to be a tense run in and at present Arsenal look up for it and Chelsea have the edge over us. We have to try and get something from our two most difficult games City and Chelsea and then win the rest so we need to make it hard for the opposition and us fans can do our part by getting behind our team no matter what and give the other team grief. Even if we start losing or playing bad in a game we need to stay positive and help the team pick up.

If only had we not lost to liverpool by silly mistakes and Fulham we would have been in a better place right now.

City will be up for it as Utd dropped points so they will believe they can still do it until it is mathematically impossible so anything from this game would be a good result.
thfan
Agree we need to get behind the lads it is going to be a tense run in and at present Arsenal look up for it and Chelsea have the edge over us. We have to try and get something from our two most difficult games City and Chelsea and then win the rest so we need to make it hard for the opposition and us fans can do our part by getting behind our team no matter what and give the other team grief. Even if we start losing or playing bad in a game we need to stay positive and help the team pick up.

If only had we not lost to liverpool by silly mistakes and Fulham we would have been in a better place right now.

City will be up for it as Utd dropped points so they will believe they can still do it until it is mathematically impossible so anything from this game would be a good result.
thfan
and 'we create out own reality' as individuals and as a whole. We think negative and believe we will bottle it then that is what we will create. We live our thoughts. So lets do the club and players a favour as a unit and be positive and if we want to use the law of expectation at least let it be a positive one.
thfan
Totally agree, but maybe we should have a 'top drawer' performance, as that actually means something.... i jest.
spurster
I dont know if i agree with many on this topic, know one that i know of starts the game booing, it generally always positive at the start of home games, the tension is created by the players themselves simple misplaced passes, easy chances squandered, the build up has been slow and often anti-climatic, conceding stupid goals. Take Kyle Walker and Defoe against Liverpool, 2 unbelievable errors cost us a potential 3 away points. I accept that mistakes will be made whether thats in the form of goal keepers error, mistimed challenge etc, how many mistakes can these guys expect to make before everyone starts feeling the tension supporters and team alike.
coys1717
Oxfordspur that chants through the sound system is a decent idea they always seem to do that on the continent & really whip the crowd into a frenzy. Some of the teams across Europe go mental for 90mins not sure if they're always positive but they're certainly lively.
Spurs Allday
Problem is football's become a spectators sport rather than supporters. People sit there waiting to be entertained rather than inspire the players, it's not just Spurs a lot of clubs have the same problem, maybe an influx of prawn sandwich types is the problem?
Spurs Allday
Spurs Allday, you are spot on there .. I live in Basel and i can tell you the organization of chants really works, especially to intimidate the opposing teams. I mentioned it on a thread before the Basel game.. Give Coopsie a bloody great big drum and off we go !!!
spurster
agree with hudderspur, the best thing the players can do is shut up. After the arsenal game we were all far too cocky. Will this serve as a lesson to next season?? No of course not, our fans will still shout their mouths off in November when we are 3rd and then have to eat a face full of abuse in April when we are 5th. We never ever learn. I wish the league would take away CL qualification from 4th place, then we can stop this mass hysteria and support our club for a change.
jimmy-yid
i also agree with spurs allday, spot on son. Football is a money and spectator sport. To hell with the rest.
jimmy-yid
An appeal for support. says it all. What creates the surly negative attitude Spurs supporters "enjoy". The Evening Standard reporters or Talksport commentators do not help!. But as we grow as a club the booers and moaners may realise the corrosive destructive effect that they cause. So next season will we pay our money to boo again as usual, high paid underperformers, while we are top notch and truly great at our work?
camper
I think the crowd will be right behind the team and up for this one...hopefully City won't be, they can't catch Manu and who would they rather have in top4 us or Arse or Chelsea? both of who can compete with them for players....away from home c'mon City you know you need a day off!!..;)
shedboy2
I took my girlfriends lad to watch Man U against Soton (now we are talking torture but i never payed a penny to their coffers girlfriend paid) but the small pocket of soton boys were out singing the mancs even at 2-1 down. Tremendous it was. Lets put it to the other half of the manc scum on sunday COYS
Jocka101
I'm sure Scotty, Brad and a few others be quite chuffed at being referred to as the 'boys'... as for a hostile atmosphere, I think the likes of Everton at home need to be investigated by Police. it amazes me that you can be allowed to scream blue-murder at someone in public and absolutely nothing happens to you. if the same thing happened outside a ground and the police were present then there'd be arrests made for sure..... Goodison is absolutely sickening when players go to take corners where they're verbally abused inches away Sometimes these animals do it with their own kids just next to them.... maybe cheerleaders on the sidelines could take elliminate this feral abuse, certainly worth a try.
The Gaywalker
all i ever here from comments when people boo is ,we pay our money ,heres a f*******n suggestion ,go and watch the telly and i will buy your tic for a mate and u can boo the telly or go to QPR This seems to happen quite a lot this season with people unhappy about AVB and Dan Levy and people wanting redcrapp back so they get on the players and AVBs back too quickly always SLAGGING OFF SAYING THE FOOTBALL WAS BETTER UNDER REDCRAPP This seems to be a new poison down WHL especially the johnny come lately supporters who expect us to win every game or perhaps thrash every team ,one prattish blogger wrote it is unacceptable that we should draw what the F**K wasnt AVBs fault that we only won 4 out 15 last season or won what was it 1 away in the second half of the season .u lot cloud over issue saying it was much better football ,yea really sounds like it ,that team underachieved bigtime If any of you went last season 1-1 aston villa one of the most frustrating games i have ever watch and a dickhead on the touch line more worried about the newcastle score then to cap it all brought brought parker on to play in front of a redundant back four who ere marking 1 player i have a picture on my wall taken in 1978-79 we went down it shows all the spurs fans taking over the west stand at the end of the leicester game and SUPPORTING THEIR TEAM SHOWING THEY WOULD SUPPORT THEM THROUGH THICK AND THIN and they did following season they did some games 40-50,000 in the ground and it does make a difference SUPPORTING YOUR TEAM BLOODY WELL FORGET redcrapp gone get the F*** over it or sod of somewhere that will take your money please coys!!!!!!!!!!!!
spur1950
tophobunty- I disagree with you about Siggy. A potentially great player I think - and good now.
camper
Just another thing i truly believe the team owe it to the spurs boys that got attacked and suffered abuse during the away legs of the Europa league campaign. Blood and guts for top 4 please.
Jocka101
2nd that Jocka
coys1717
Just read the comments from Dawson on the THFC site, pretty much saying the same thing…”the fans need to get behind them”….Im sorry but it just seems to me like they are lining up the excuses. The fact is Michael ,the teams need to up their bloody game! Whilst I agree that when WHL is rocking we can be the “12th Man” they shouldn’t rely on it every sodding game. Like ive said I certainly do not encourage booing or anything else but maybe if they gave us something to cheer about no and again we wouldn’t be having this debate. Yes, we are in a decent league position but the quality of football pretty much all season has been poor! I mean since when have we become the new stoke!! Most of us ignored it or at least tolerated it when we were picking up the points but poor performances coupled with loosing at home to the Fulhams of the league doesn’t give me any reason to cheer. There is a difference in trying to spur the lads on at WHL and HONESTLY singing your heart out because of the football you are seeing. Its like eating a bad meal prepared by the mother in law….you put on a brave face…smile…but you both know it tastes like $hit
hudderspur
Heard a few cases this season of fans being told to sit down during games or risk being kicked out, how's that supposed to build an atmosphere? All you hear is sit down or don't swear etc. Football's supposed to be a competitive sport & the crowd should be allowed to reflect that but it's become too much of a family, corporate day out to watch a PL game. You can't stand up & intimidate the opposition because you might offend the "guests" & we wouldn't want that now would we!?

spur1950 I have heard some of that myself. The Redknapp era is over & those "supporters" really need to move on for the good of the club that they claim to support. I was against the Jol sacking, especially the way it was carried out but what's done is done & I'd never undermine a new manager regardless of how I felt about a previous dismissal. The now is all that matters.
Spurs Allday
The blood and guts however need not apply to the 'meal ticket' a bead of sweat would be asking too much......
Jocka101
Off topic but here's an interesting stat:

Possession stats for 2012/13 up until now...

1. Arsenal | Average of 57.2% possession. 2. Manchester City | Average of 57% possession 3. Liverpool | Average of 55.8% possession 4. Chelsea | Average of 55.7% possession 5. Manchester United | Average of 54% possession 6. Everton | Average of 53.6% possession 7. Tottenham | Average of 53.4% possession 8. Swansea City | Average of 52.9% possession 9. Fulham | Average of 51% possession 10. Wigan Athletic | Average of 50.8% possession

7th?!!!
KierzoSBC
in relation to the article,for me its a double edged sword,catch 22,vicious circle...call it what you will!

if you are singer at a concert and the crowd are booing you after 20-30 mins,it won't exactly fill you with confidence.man u fans never booed them and look at chelsea now their fans have got behind them since rafa's rant.

i think that it might be counter productive to think 'they get paid loads of money,so when they play good football from the first min that's when i'll stop booing'.....its inevitable to get nervous this time of the season,but we should be willing our boys on win,lose or draw and get behind them 105%.right here,right now......COYS!!!
g. roberts testes
Tophobunty:is it racist to try to encourage more black/ethnic minority players to become managers?what is wrong with that?i don't get your point....and no,i don't read the guardian,i'm not a vegetarian and ,beleive it or not,i'm a bit sad that thatcher has died.......oh,i'm also NOT black.
g. roberts testes
tophobunty:so do you think they should be encouraging more white players to become managers?haa-haa!
g. roberts testes
lol topho - I'd bet if you's find a difference before and after Sandro got injured...the latter would have 90% of our possession in the middle of the park going round in circles!!
KierzoSBC
I can understand why Dempsey and Dawson are saying this, we can make a real difference to the match and was proven against arsenal. That was the best atmosphere all season, even at the turnstiles EVERYBODY (not just one or two yidarmy's) were up for it.

But crucially in a game like city (or Liverpool, Newcastle or any non-derby big match) it's up to the players to lead by example. The obvious way is to score 6 first half goals to create a party atmosphere but realistically that isn't going to happen, so other examples is to chase every lost ball, put strong tackles in and show the fighting spirit you want the crowd to take. Aron Lennon against Liverpool done this, he run 60 yards chasing after 4 liverpool players and by the end of it all the crowd were on their feet virtually running with him.
T.H.F.Chris
You've missed the object of topho's point I think g. roberts. The point, I think, is that it's pointless giving any minority an "advantage" with inclusion in a shortlist. The muddled thinking behind this sort of positive discrimination, & that is what it is - discrimination, is that somehow the minorities are being deliberately excluded. There is very little actual evidence of this & the reality is that usually there are very few suitable minority candidates to shortlist.

There are many reasons why this is so. In the case of managers & coaches, there are simply not enough black players taking their badges or even interested in taking them. That is what needs to be addressed. Giving them an automatic place on a shortlist is patronising as are minority quotas designed to "reflect" the ethnic mix of society. It simply doesn't work, all you tend to get is someone appointed who is unsuitable for the task they're given, just to satisfy some mis-guided politically correct mindset. Nobody wins mate, least of all the minority section supposedly being helped.

Spuds-U-Like
Sing up Sing loud I'm Spurs and I'm Proud!! Get em over the line lads!!
SPUDMAN
KierzoSBC- the team romping the title is 5th in possession stakes...Possession ,whilst important is over-hyped these days....incisive football at the right time is what's important, the latest crop of 'managers' to graduate use possession as the platform...
shedboy2
I´ve been doing some run-in calculations after realizing United may win the League at the expense of Arsenal. My conclusion is pretty simple: if we get a draw against City and 4 wins (Wigan, Southampton, Stoke and Sunderland), even losing to Chelsea, will make 13 pts which would lead us to final 71 pts (58+13). On the other hand, if Arsenal loses or get held in a draw against Fulham followed by a defeat by the hands of United, even if they win all their remaining (and winnable) matches (QPR, Wigan and Newcastle), they would end up at the 70 pts mark, 1 pt behind us. Of course, this is just theory and we know how Spurs skillfully master self-destruction processes. However, it proves we still have a good chance of finishing 4th.
AlexSpur
g. roberts testes- if you encourage Black managers at the expense of white..that would be racist. Why are they just talking about Black coaches? what about women? Gay, Lesbian transgender? The law is clear and there should be no discrimination when hiring..how many English coaches are there in the prem?....perhaps we should encourage English applicants....there does seem to be some bias against Englishmen in the prem.
shedboy2
Good point shed. That's the problem with equality, some minorities are more equal than others! :-p

Spuds-U-Like
Well done, Oxford Spur, another of these new much shorter articles that get to the point hundreds of words fewer than before.
Airwave
Unless home fans support Spurs and not just when the side is ripping up the opposition, how can Spurs playing at home be an advantage? Have a good old shout of friendly encouragement, cheer, clap and laugh off some situations, and any Spurs fan watching feels less nervous and tense so can no longer transmit that handicap on to our players.
Airwave
Tophobunty:i apologise.i should have read the article properly before catching foot-in-mouth disease.

Spuds:you're absolutely right,just because they are 5 black managers doesn't mean that they should automatically be in line for a top post....it's ridiculous.

Shedboy2:are you suggesting that chelseas next manager should be a tranny?can you really see a woman taking over at man u when blue-nose retires?i think they are talking about black managers because its disproportionate,(which is true.5 out of 92 or 97.....?),but they should be dealing with this at grass roots levels i.e they should be encouraging all British players who recently retired or are about to retire to do their badges.beckham should be doing his badges now,like ledley.

once again,sorry about the knee-jerk reaction.(humble pie well and truly eaten,face is now egg-free).
g. roberts testes
Alex... Arsenal will not drop any points against Fulham, they were absolut crap yesterday. Maybe they will drop 2 points against Man U, but I'm pretty sure they will win the rest of their games. As I see it, we must win against Chelsea away and hope they slip up against Liverpool and Man U. It seems like we have a mountain to climb.
dannylane
Dannylane, I think we must defeat City and get a draw against Chelsea. My reasoning on the other post was just "the lowest" expectation we can link to from my chair today, that is, what if we got only 1 pt from our two "top 4" competitors ??
AlexSpur
g. roberts testes- no I'm not suggesting that the next Chelsea boss should be transgender (the word tranny could be deemed prerogative!) And why shouldn't a woman take over from SAF? They should be the best person for the job...I don't think that the implied problem this rule would be invoked to overcome is there(this is not the USA)....it seems reasonable that with a population c5% black just over 5% of managers are Black but I do agree 'they' should be encouraging all ex-players who recently retired or are about to retire to do their badges....And I'm not having a pop mate...;)
shedboy2
Arsenal fans have been booing and a section even calling for Wengers to be sacked. Did Arsenal players get effected? Well if they did they didn't dwell on it as they are looking good for 3rd now.
MrSpurs
g roberts- derogative!!...;)
shedboy2
Don't want average players and poor performances booed? Don't buy/play average players....
shedboy2
The atmosphere at WHL has nothing to do with it. It's an excuse. The squad collectively isn't good enough. We made CL football in 2010 and haven't kicked on since.
MrSpurs
It's always great hearing fans who have attached themselves to other clubs slagging off those clubs when they are playing the Spurs, because their behaviour has the effect of encouraging Spurs players.
Airwave
shedboy:here in england,30% of footballers are black,you can't relate the population to how many play football.does that put it into perspective?....no offence taken,we having debate/discussion.

tophobunty:i don't think that's the argument any more,i think its about quality....or is it?in a very indirect way,i think you may have answered your own question.
g. roberts testes
MrSpurs - In reality we are scraping for those extra points now, yet we kicked the season off with one recognized striker. The squad was not complete yet, AND we had a new manager who was still trying to get used to the EXISTING players let alone the ones yet to join... The first 3 games passed before our squad was technically ready to play. We got 2 points from those games - 2 at home, and all 3 against teams in mid-table obscurity... If we had the squad assembled one week before the kick off, we probably would have had enough points to make it comfortable come April... This is all history now - we cannot change it. It is up to the team & AVB now to sort out the home form and come at CIteh like we know we are capable of. THEN it is up to Levy & AVB to sort out the main squad options BEFORE next season's kick off to avoid this problem again...
TonyRich
I can't see Martin Jol getting any of his teams 'psyched up' for any match against teams that could beat us to top four as perhaps was proved last night?....Just something to muse over....
Jocka101
Alex... A win against City and a draw against Chelsea will do for me. Let's hope Liverpool and Man U do us a favour. I believe Arsenal will be out of our reach. We must win at least 4 more games.....COYS!
dannylane
Bit early for an inquest. This season is still very much alive.
Airwave
supporting a team should not be about screaming verbal abuse at the other team's players tho' should it.... its about getting behind your team and encouraging them by singing, cheering and creating a jolly non-threatening atmosphere that youre happy for ypur kids to enjoy... why does working-class have to always equate to feral, abusive, vile behaviour ?
The Gaywalker
I wonder if the owner of our great club Joe Lewis, will bother turning up for such a hugely important game, let alone singing the lads on like the Russian does at Chelsea? Much more likely we will see Baron Sugar up there in the directors box, scoffing on FREE smoke salmon bagels courtesy of his apprentice loser Danny Boy! I think we Spurs Fans do a great job singing our team on, home and away, considering, the losers we have had running our great club for 13 long seasons!
pelebro
NEWS OF THE DAY________We will qualify for the Champions League!!!
krafty007
Pelebro, I don't often disgaree with your sentiment but you're starting to sound a little anti-semitic
Cape Town Spurs
and adding to the article if the manager makes an unexpected substitution dont give him stick wait and see what comes of it last time it looked like it was directed towards Thudd, which was unjust and unfair as he done very well when he took Dembeles place...I really believe we will be playing CL ootball next season!!!!!!!!COYS
krafty007
TR- if only we'd learn to buy our players before the season starts...Levy doesn't seem very quick on that one...SAF already has Zaha ready for next year....Norwich Wolfswinkle...but it's far too difficult for us...
shedboy2
Typical Spurs fans. Players call on us to fire them up and all we do is think about ourselves. #fickle ... Keeps popping up in my head that one. Amazing how we pick and choose the slightest error on the park of individual players yet when our own poor support is questioned we react by blaming the players. Sad to think there are many Spurs fans who would love to see the boys week in and week out, yet our fans sit and moan in the stands. Our support is blinded by our egos... #shamefull
Mix26
krafty007- I'd like to think the fans have learned from that one...I'd also hope AVB has as well....I'd like to see Dembele pushed into the hole like Yaya when he's deemed to be tiring rather than brought off.
shedboy2
Pelebro would prefer Mike Ashley as a club owner... After all u can't buy class...
Mix26
Mix26...Fickle? mate talk for yourself...how can one person talk about a group of which they are a part in such sweeping terms??...
shedboy2
Or brains mix. How does that song go?

....sing us another one, just like the other one, sing us another one do!

Spuds-U-Like
Good post, Mix26. If what you refer to got brought by the same people into other situations in everyday life, it would be unbearable and impractical enough to be seen for what it really is.
Airwave
Oh shut up mix! I get sick to death with the whole “fickle” BS on here. You cant say a bad word without being called fickle or told to go and support arsenal. Just grow up FFS. It’s a Debate! No, its nothing to do with being a “real fan” or an “armchair supporter” its about paying a bloody fortune to see these players, half of them who cant even be arsed to put in the effort! If they all tried and gave 100% every game but lost then that’s a different story. It’s the fact they yet again they taking the foot off before the seasons even finished. Then they have the Gaul to start saying “well the fans are being mean to us…” get some bollox, pull up your socks and bloody get on with it. Rough with the smooth I say, and its been rough as a lumberjacks arse this last few months! It just sums us up TBH, when the Arsenal fans started booing and holding up Wenger out signs the players took a look in the mirror and came out swinging. They knew the fans had a point. But no, spurs are far too soft for that. They rather just hide behind the manager and let him take the $hit….AGAIN!
hudderspur
i think the fact that we have performed better away from home this season does have some bearing on the fact that home atmospheres have not been brilliant. The fans can be too quick to get on the team's back. However it does not help when average players like Dempsey and Parker come out complaining. On a seperate note it looks unlikely Bale will be fit however Defoe will probably be back to sit on the bench. However heard nothing about Lennon yet.
christophski
topho u say supporters aren’t stupid yet u think certain players deserve to be booed? In fact you have made your mind up before you even watch the game? In other words Dawson and Dempsey are right are they not? you expect to be served a hot meal yet u rock up late and the food is cold. It's the same attitude people take to work etc... U want to have your cake and eat it... It's really a simple logical understanding, if you see, hear and feel the tension of the person next to then u feel the same, take 35000 fans and u get the picture...
Mix26
hudder at least u have some fight mate... The key word here was 'TENSE'... I'm sure I wont have to get a dictionary out for u to better understand a 'tense' atmosphere... start again maybe?
Mix26
CANNOT COMPUTE DARENVAI...MUST BE NEGATIVE...
Mix26
Mix - The key word that got my back up was FICKLE, a word all too often thrown around. Just because I don’t agree with every statement that come out of the players doesn’t mean my views are any less valid nor does it make me any less of a supporter than yourself, or anyone else. I’m merely saying it would be nice if instead of Dempsey saying how TENSE the atmosphere was, perhaps saying that the performances need to improve to alleviate the tension. You have to remember mate that players and managers can have many clubs in their careers, and have many opportunities’s to succeed and perhaps fulfil their ambitions at the various clubs. We supporters, or at least most of us will only ever support one club. Their lies the frustration, it not their club they are letting down. Its ours.
hudderspur
What darkenvai says is logical, obvious and reasonable. Social psychology sounds namby-pamby but then so does much else to do with the science and art of the game if you have the kind of mentality that must brutalise, make crude and be demanding. Rather like you can demand your conjugal rights, but you are on your way to not having a marriage for much longer, and whether you think women should or should not have rights. You can demand service in a restaurant, but you'll be shown the door when it is realised you are not the only paying customer it is possible to have. It doesn't matter which player is asking for something more positive, in so far as they are likely o play at some point and may well be speaking on behalf of other players, it is worth listening. It doesn't remove all your rights as a fan, it is merely a request pitched by players to reasonable fans.
Airwave
How about next season :- booing newly signed players, manager, substitutions, if not leading at half time, selected players in rotation, Livermore, any young player (Kane) not an immediate star - Oh that's from this year!. Next year we will add to this list for more fun.
camper
Dempsey and parker are right, and booing from your own fans DOES have a detrimental effect.
chrishove123
"I never quite believe that the fans become an extra man..". That's an interesting observation of the modern game, the fans and players. Of course, I go back a long way to the early 60's when grounds weren't all seater stadiums, and players might have to actually "face" their fans after the games in pubs and clubs! In the 60's the "Kop" was worth one goal, according to the players at the time, and the pre-match toss of a coin was important. But even recently we have seen, for instance, the passion at Celtic Park in their defeat of Barcelona, where the fans lifted the team. At Spurs in our CL matches the atmosphere must have affected the team. Despite the distancing between players and fans in terms of lifestyle, I still think we can make a difference, and actually make them worry about winning rather than their next contract or pay day or exotic holiday or some model they are going to shag that night!
jacobslad
All players need plenty of clog from supporters if they're not doing it. Enough of this pretentious armchair psychology. I'm as empathetic to them, as they are to me. Let's face it, we don;t give a flying feck about each other. I support the team, but the players ain't beyond a good rollicking, and if they complain, they can always go and get a proper job that doesn't upset their sensibilities. Until I meet the player who insists we stop cheering them too much or desists in adoring the ground they walk on, I will continue to b*ll*ck them when I feel like it. Jaysus, this blog gets more like subject matter for those dried up old hags on Loose Women to get their falsies into. Enough already.
lordjohnny
Question:- Can we achieve a top 4 place for again next season for booing?
camper
darkenvai Totally agree with you on this because I have studied psychology and some people on here refuse to see it's relevance in this context and the way it can/eventually WILL effect the player's psyche. It is pointless arguing with them or trying to point out the simplest of psychological tenets because they are either refuse to aknowledge it's validity or are just too ignorant to be able to want to see it. I don't use the word ignorant as meaning thick or stupid, I use it in it's proper context of unknowing as in ignorant of the facts. I thought I had better explain that before certain people here jump down my throat and say that I am calling them thick etc. because they don't know the true meaning of certain words.
chrishove123
Dark, No i would go with my idea and suggested dancers. Just off topic and this is one job interview which i took great pleasure in getting my own back. In employment at the time, i applied for another job, Interview set, time, arrived and sales director and manager came in, normal run of the mill questions, then they started putting my current employer down, ''well i replied our current customer base is very happy with the product we supply and your view is based on opinion'' They then asked what would you say are your Strengths and Weeknesess, by this time i had no intention of joining them and could not wait to get out, so i said, my weekness is oriental girls and my strengths, having two thai girls over night, with that i got up and walked out, saying thanks for your time. Lets hear it for the boys, remember they are not god, so F'em. I know it's not football related, but it may serve some for the future.
spu 4 life
"Explain how Adebayor can miss a really poor penalty against basle then walk off laughing about it ?" That would be interesting to see. Is it on YouTube? Some people when acutely embarrassed, grin. How can that be, you ask? Because that is what some people do. Rather like people blush but not for any one reason. It is a personal action. You never saw world champion at four weights Tommy Hearns smile in the ring except when he'd been hit hard and hurt, whereupon he'd grin. Seemingly odd but true.
Airwave
Foot massage big C? The only foot massage Ade should be getting is from AVB to his backside!

Spuds-U-Like
Fans ultimately get the team they deserve..... if you think booing players and screaming everytime a stray ball is hit, then you influence the players to not do anything creative which always has an element of some risk to it. they will just run around, make agressive tackles (sure way to fool the fans to like you), and play safe but unproductive football so that YOU (the individual player concerned) don't make that fateful mistake.... 5th.
The Gaywalker
The atmosphere at the lane has been pretty poor this season and we have been out sung at most of our europa league home games. We need to follow the european supporters who create a crescendo of noise and hate towards visiting teams
whitehartmart
Have I missed something? are our crowd Booing individual players on mass during games?...I have heard booing of ref decisions, substitutions but individual players? (people weren't booing Thud)....of course if it did happen it would be counter-productive (not stupid, poor choice of word there). But booing of general play at the end of the match imo is justifiable and helpful for the club to know what their paying customers think of them. Now there will be groans and they are usually involuntary and reflect in an instant what has happened on the pitch...so unfortunately if players don't want groans...play better.
shedboy2
whitehartmart, good point, and it would be churlish of us not to acknowledge when we come up against fans supporting other clubs who are clued up about how to have a positive effect on the club they're backing. That must include clubs whose teams Spurs have beaten but whose supporters were more difficult to overcome.
Airwave
Big C- I'm not sure the problem is that we don't have enough flair players, we don't have any! And the way we're playing is to try and build a platform for 'attacks' but at home the oppo just sit deep and don't come out chasing the ball, it doesn't work that well, we need a plan B but seem not have one...it would be nice if we had just one play-maker on the pitch though...
shedboy2
It is quite amazing that the last several or most posts are agonizing over how players who earn 50-100k per week really are affected by the "fans". Lets be honest, some of the players don't give a *****, unless they are young, have been brought up by the club, and feel allegiance. BAE, Egobayor could swap shirts and within a week would feel no different playing for another club than for ours. Other players do their job, and are professional, for their own ends, but what they think about us is nothing. Dawson, King, Walker, Caulker, Naughton, Bale, different breed. Thats why, like others on here, I like to see a our own young players succeed: better than buying a multi-million journeyman. Thats the difference between a club and a business.
jacobslad
Dark- 'All other things being equal, a well-supported team will win more than a poorly supported one'....were you talking about support from the Chairman? Seems to me there are teams up and down the leagues with great, vocal fans but the teams that win everything are the ones supported by their Chairman in the transfer market...if you have the best 11 players you tend to win more than you lose, regardless of fans support, manager, tactics et al...
You are right however to point out that booing a player won't help, they are only human....trouble is so are the supporters and we all know humans tend to come with flaws, get 36,000 together and you'll have some real gems in there!...;)
shedboy2
Well was in the Park Lane at the Basel game and couldn't believe the slagging off of Ade even after scoring to get us back in it. In fact 2 fans (loosely speaking of one of them) almost came to blows and wanted to take it outside. Ade is all we have at present so what alternative and as I have said many times before, I go to support the team whoever is on the pitch. At the Everton game I was in the Paxton and sat nest to a woman who "supports the club but not the team". "Hates Dembele, Dempsey and thinks they are rubbish". When I mentioned that earlier in the season we thought he may be an improvement/on par with Modric she thought I was the only one who thought that...... Oh apart from her son which I thought was funny as it started a row. When Dembele was taken off to some derision around the ground, I think my point was proven. I just cannot understand some peoples thoughts about their TEAM / CLUB, and to me is one in the same.
CoysRus
big cockeral Well SOMEONE has to point out the bleeding obvious to people like YOU because YOU just can't see it.
chrishove123
Big c direct quote from YOU, kettle black and pot come to mind, just stating the obvious. There is nothing to stop a player signing a 4 year 80 grand a week contract & then just walk onto the pitch & do nothing ,nothing to stop them .Even fans who subscribe to sky sports are lining their pockets
chrishove123
COME ON YOU SPURS AND WIN WIN WIN
Madaboutspurs
I actually think its up to the manager and players how we react. If they continue to start games at home with this slow "measured" king of tempo, how do they expect us to raise our voices and make loads of noise?? Fulham, Basel and more games then I can name they have started like this and ended up with poor results!! Even harry got them more fired up most games when he was here...........COYS
WestStandEnclosure
Cape Town Spurs, I guess you have never tried one of Danny Boy's over priced bagels he flogs up in the west stand, in his over priced, tacky, corporate hospitality lounges. I was unfortunate enough to find myself up there on one occasion as a guest. What a nightmare! I really appreciated the shelf side after that terrible experience! I will never forget the great Keith Burkinshaw's words as he resigned before the start of the 1984 EUFA Cup final when he brought Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, it's last European trophy. When asked why he had resigned, he quite simply turned and looked up at the west stand, in the direction of the directors box and explained, in nine simple words... “There used to be a football club over there.” 29 years on we still have the WRONG people running our football club as the empty trophy cabinet and lack of new stadium 100% proves... Nothing to do with religion whatsoever! Just a total lack of class at the top!!!
pelebro
Well, its only friday morning but the nerves are already kicking in for me. Just been casting my mincers over the remaining fixtures of the red/blue scum and the blue noses up north. I feel we should be winning 4 out of our six remaining fixtures against Wigan, Soton,Sunderland and Stoke. If we can't in these matches at this stage of the season then we really don't deserve top 4. If we succeed in winning those 4 matches and get nothing out of the other 2 i am convinced we will guarantee 5th and giving the fixtures the blue scum have i feel it will 80% in our favour that we finish top 4........this is a hope more than belief...sadly - COYS!!!!
Jocka101
Morning Topho. I hope you're well? I'd just like to say that I'm fully behind your views regarding this article. If the performance on the pitch isn't 100% in terms of player commitment, effort and ambition then they should fully expect to be told that is unacceptable by the crowd. It's as simple as that. Footballers need to stop behaving like sensitive, fragile luvvies. They are well paid professionals and, in the most part, shameless financial mercenaries. Put in 100% effort and we will recipricate with 100% support. After all, they get paid every month whether they put in a shift or not. We have to pay each week to go along and watch what they serve us up. We don't get a refund if the effort isn't there so they should expect us to show our displeasure in the peaceful but clear message sent by a chorus of boos.
SpuriousLife
Without waning to put words in Pele's mouth, I think an anology may help to explain what he likes about Spurs. Try to think of it like renting a house. You love the house but hate the landlord. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the feeling I'm getting. Perhaps Pele can elaborate.
SpuriousLife
Targeting a player whether you think they need tough love or an arm around the player from the stands isn't really what this article is about. It’s the part about turning up and getting behind the TEAM for the ninety for the last few games we have is what it’s getting at. It’s a tough ask for some, but even if we are losing at half time in a game, and can continue cheering, supporting the TEAM like we were winning 9-0 then it Will spur them all on. Win, Lose if we have all lost our voices by the end of it then we have done our part. The players will not be able to ask any more from us and should be proud to wear the colours. I have seen some cracking support from the opposing fans in other games it can truly be a sight to see, and you can see the effect it has when it ripples down to the team, the players. It can help players to pull that little but extra out of the bag on the pitch when it’s needed? The Spurs faithful can do this, have done this and should now think about bringing this A game starting with City. We want the players to pull together too for us, but it’s about setting the stage for them, and supporting the best way you can. I’m planning on doing just this, with the lads, going to put a pin in this tough love or arm around individuals for now. COYS.
SpursOne2
SpursOne2 and Darkenvai - I agree with your point but I also see it from the other perspective too. It's a chicken & egg situation. Do we in the crowd set the atmosphere for the players on the pitch to respond to or do we in the crowd respond to the effort being put in on the pitch. If the former was always true then those clubs with the most vociferous and passionate supporters should be the most successful. Man Utd is more like a corporate boardoom than a raucous football ground. Same at the Emirates but the clubs do OK. The reverse is true at West Ham where the crowd are very passionate but the team isn't exactly pulling up trees. It depends on all of the factors that have been discussed throughout this thread - talented players, passion, ability, respect, effort and desire from players and fans alike.
SpuriousLife
darkenvai - Yeah, let’s do all we can to make WHL a wall of sound for the lads, that goes to everyone and me. SpuriousLife - I hear you and yeah of course it can be like the chicken and egg, but it’s late in the season and we have to take our chances now. What we can do is give 100% from the start to end. The team need to do the same, if they let their heads drop for a moment then we will be there to back them up, and vice versa .. if the players want extra from us should we slack off then they can call for more from the fans themselves. I don’t want to be the fan who walks away with his voice at the end : -) It just won’t feel like I’ve done enough. COYS.
SpursOne2
you are all missing the point.... booing players may make you yourselves feel better momentarily but it will, generally speaking, cause players to lose confidence and thus play worse - which ultimately means that the team suffers and wins less games.... thus the team 'supporters' (ironic name for them) act as a direct agent in causing their own team to lose more often... FACT.
The Gaywalker
Booing players is not the way to go, but if I was on At least 30k a week I'm sure my skin would be abit thicker then some of our more sensitive players?? COYS
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