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Out of our hands

Bitter sweet. A real mix of emotions in the aftermath of an exhilarating match at the Bridge. Premier League football at its best. Two teams chasing the Champions' League dream at the end of a long hard season. Both exhausted, both stretched to breaking point, both giving it everything.

We have much to be proud of. A fine result at the home of the in-form team in the Premiership. Yet another late goal. Steel and determination. And yet for all that, we no longer have control of our destiny. A great match for the neutrals. Painful for us who had emotion invested. A draw wasn't really enough. Pride mixed with impending disappointment. A heady mix.

Pre match, the team sheets showed the scale of the task ahead. Their midfield. It's so good. Unbelievably good. Pace, movement, overwhelming goal threat from the 'three amigos'. Driving runs, visionary passing and a cannonball shot from sideshow Bob. Boundless energy from Ramires. A true box-to-box midfielder. An awesome group, with quality on the bench as well. And they're all young. It hurts to say it but Chelsea's future is looking bright. All they lack is that defensive midfield brute. How could we stand up to that? Sandro out. Dembele out. Huddlestone and Parker were in for a torrid time. Which is possibly why the energetic Holtby was preferred to Sigurdsson.

Sadly, this was a match in which Huddlestone's limitations were exposed. With Mata, Oscar and Hazard bounding round him like a pack of hunting dogs round a St Bernard, his lack of mobility was laid bare. He conceded free kicks. With the ball he was given no time to execute his passes. His set pieces weren't coming off either. Not a good evening for big Tom. The haircut will have to wait. Holtby tried hard as always without being truly convincing. Parker, though, had one of his better matches. Not a pirouette in sight and his ventures forward were more effective than usual. At the end of the match, he looked like he was going to die. In terms of effort, you couldn't ask for more.

Bale and Lennon were quiet. Possibly still not fully fit, maybe just marked out of it, though the defensive side to Lennon's game was again in evidence and much appreciated, tracking back, helping out. Benny and Walker played well, though why Walker bothers standing over free kicks is beyond me. He's not fooling anyone. Vertonghen was imperious as ever. Dawson showed good honest Yorkshire grit, but was caught out several times, conceded several fouls. Made a crucial block with his face. Put it all on the line. Bruised and battered, but still standing, still determined. Giving his all. A metaphor for our whole evening. Our whole season.

With Bale shackled somebody needed to step up, and step up Ade did. He put in his best performance of the season. What a goal. What an assist. A huge effort. He was everywhere. You know what's coming. Why not every week? Confidence? Attitude? We've been over it before. Too many times. Man of the match this time, anyway. Will he show up on Sunday? Sig chipped in with another late goal. Quality finish. He's gradually gathered momentum. Hopes for him next season are high.

It was a courageous performance against a very good Chelsea team. They had better players than us. They had the better chances. In truth they probably deserved to win. Hazard's balloon shot and Ramires' slip saved us from being buried. But we had spirit. We fought. We had more possession, more shots. All of this with several key players missing and Bale unable to impose himself. It's a testament to AVB. They're playing for him.

We should be very proud, not just of this one match, but our whole season. A season of transition, under a new manager, new ideas and a complete overhaul of the first team, and we are still up there, our best ever premier league finish still very possible. Exceeding expectations. Souness and Hoddle's post match comments about Harry Redknapp were as infuriating as they were idiotic. Sacked 'not for football reasons'. Really? Losing a 10 point lead, leaving us out of the Champions' League with arguably the best midfield in the land and the best squad we've had in decades isn't a football reason? If AVB was in charge last season...

For all the positives, the cold facts are that this result leaves us needing others to slip up. Chelsea face Villa and Everton, with a European final in between. No easy task. Arsenal face Wigan and Newcastle, both fighting relegation. Hope is still burning. The draw wasn't enough, but a defeat would have left us needing Arsenal to lose a match. Now all we ask is that they draw one. Margin for error is gone. We MUST beat Stoke. We MUST beat Sunderland. The rest is up to others. COYS!!!!

Written by Yorkspur

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Writer:Yorkspur
Date:Thursday May 9 2013
Time: 2:52PM

Comments

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come on wigan!!
hudderspur
09/05/2013 14:55:00
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Was it ever thus? It's ALWAYS been out of our hands & we've ALWAYS depended on others dropping points. AVB has got to stop this end of season malaise PDQ, otherwise we'll never do anything in the League but flatter to deceive. We're all sick of the gloating Gooners & their St Totteringham's day taunts. E-Fecking-nough!

Spuds-U-Like
09/05/2013 14:57:00
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could still be close,dont underestimate the late equaliser yesterday-effectively meaning if we win our remaininng games the scum need 6points as oppossed to 4,but if we only get a point v stoke it wont even go to the final week
ghulamville
09/05/2013 15:04:00
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Lets not delude ourselves. Wigan have taken 4 points from us this season and they might be relegated. Home draw to Stoke. Dropped points against Norwich, home loss to Fulham. Everton, 1 up in injury time. If we had got just 3 more points from any of those games.??? We deserve to be where we are.
vicspur
09/05/2013 15:04:00
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I firmly believe if Tottenham Hotspur win our remaining two games, we will be in the Champions League.
TopSpur13
09/05/2013 15:07:00
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Spuds the malaise is still a run of games since christmas where we have only lost twice in the league. More a case of a thin squad's chickens coming home to roost. When you have to rush back your two wide men from injury it says it all really. This is not a critism of and manager or the club management its just the result of carrying a bloated squad that needed to be trimmed. Hopefully now with AVB's feet firmly under the table (fingers crossed everton don't come in with a huge offer) we can use this season as a stepping stone to establish Spurs as a perennial Top four challengers and on to eventual title contenders. Fergie only lasted 27 years at United at only 25 AVB could potentially be Spurs manager for the next 40 years Managerial stability is what success is built on. Just look at United, Arsenal and even Liverpool (before the americans started teh manager merry go round). AVB's appointment should always have been about the long term future of the club, remember it took fergie four years to win a a trophy for the reds. This year has been a success as it showed AVB has what it takes to cut it int he Premier league he has dragged an under equiped Spurs to the brink of Champions League qualification Defeated united, city, arsenal and took two points of the form team in Chelsea. Any disappointment we feel should be matched by pride that we aimed so high!
Slurms McKenzie
09/05/2013 15:11:00
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great article!
SpursWho
09/05/2013 15:20:00
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Ay? You've got some facts wrong slurms!
Chris_1882
09/05/2013 15:20:00
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Excellently written article Yorkspur and good posts. I think two wins will be enough for us as Arsenal have two tough games left. Forget about getting third fourth is all we can hopefor and if we do our job inour remaining two games it could well be enough. COYS.
SpuriousLife
09/05/2013 15:20:00
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HIt the wrong button Chris_1882 as I was welling up as I typed he's closer to the 35 mark!
Slurms McKenzie
09/05/2013 15:21:00
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Harry WAS sacked for non-footballing reasons. It would be idiotic to sack someone for equaling your highest ever EPL finish (4th), with 1 point less than your record total - no matter how much of a lead squandered. Plus that season we only spent 5-7 million all season, yet still got 4th. This season, we spent 50-60 million.... At the end of the day, we are performing at our limits. Every now and again those limits get exposed. The Harry era is the past now. Why keep trying to look down a period in our history that has teed us up to kick on. Move on.
TonyRich
09/05/2013 15:23:00
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even though stoke are safe,tony pulis is playing to save his job,and in decent form,god am not looking forward to this
ghulamville
09/05/2013 15:24:00
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Same could be said for Newcastle ghulamville and they are safe yet so even more to fight for against arsenal!
Slurms McKenzie
09/05/2013 15:28:00
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The 2 "tough" games Arse have will only be tough if Wigan and Newc on the day need to win. This weekend, QPR host Newcastle, and a Newc win would put them 6 points clear of Wigan, who would then need to beat Le Arse to have any chance of staying up and to keep the pressure on Newcastle. If Arse beat Wigan, then it will be party time at St James. Anyway, i am sure we have all worked it out. So lets hope QPR beat Newc on Saturday. Can Harry 'elp us? He doesn't like Pardew, but then again if he is thinking long term would he rather compete with Wigan for promotion or Newcastle next year. I know a season is a season, but I just feel these last few games for Arse have been softened up by the opposition not being too interested. When they play Wigan, it might be like 2 for the price of one...relegate Wigan and have an easier, much easier, task at Newcastle.
jacobslad
09/05/2013 15:34:00
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ghulamville, I watched the Sunderland/Stoke game the other night. I could see why they have struggled this season. Stoke wee 1-0 up and conceded toa 1-mn Sunderland and could easily have lost that game. I know they play up at the Britannia, but they are no where as tough a nut to crack as last season. If we reproduce the performance of last night, we should have a great chance. Though I don't fancy Charlie Adams and Bale battle again!! COYS!
Critical_Spur
09/05/2013 15:35:00
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it was never in our hands really. An excellent result last night but the gap in quality were there for all to see. We arent a patch on that chelsea team and nor should we be considering how much money they have spent on it. It was a total mis-match but we got a draw, something to be very proud of. opening the harry subject again is pointless. Incidently, funny how Moyes isnt good enough for us but is good enough for Man Utd. We missed a huge opportunity there. But Avb has done really well and anybody who isnt proud of 5th really needs to wake up and realise what football is like in 2013, all about revenues and bank balances. The more you got the easier it is to get CL and our competitors have much much more than us. A miracle really, we stayed with them all as long as we have.
jimmy-yid
09/05/2013 15:37:00
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typos!... to a 10 man sunderland!
Critical_Spur
09/05/2013 15:37:00
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Some fair points Slurms, but who was it who let Townsend go out on loan & then didn't get a striker in Jan? Don't get me wrong, I really like what AVB's doing & maybe Levy had more to do with the lack of incoming players in the Jan transfer window than AVB, but AVB could have blocked Townsend's loan. As it has turned out, we lacked cover for Lennon at a crucial time IMO.

Spuds-U-Like
09/05/2013 15:37:00
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Good cheery article. There is still some hope. I was really proud last night - in fact that sums up the season for me proud but frustrated. Our squad has over-achieved on many occasions and let themselves down with silly errors at others, but apart from some amazing victories we are very hard to beat and seem to have grown some huge kahunas since AVB arrived. Shame for me is - If Ade played like that every week we'd be pushing for 2nd and looking at buying a cheapish young striker instead of a pricy finished article and therefore with more money to get a more creative CM in. Feck me - the Chavs midfield were awesome last night - even greater testimony to our motley band. I personally will be very surprised if Wigan can hold let alone take Arse, which kind of lets the barcodes off the hook, because QPR are *****e. Villa might even beat Chavs, but Everton probably won't fight - specially now Moyes is gone. Still - anything's possible and I'll keep the faith while there's still hope. COYS!
DocHotspurs
09/05/2013 15:54:00
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Great summary yorkspur,great match last night, great performance by ade ! Great end of season and fourth place for us all ! Coy's.
Little spur
09/05/2013 15:59:00
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Come on everyone, Townsend could of only gotten better with this QPR loan, as it gave him the real chance to compete to be a starter. If he hadn't, then he would probably still be rusty and not as confident as he is now....
dcruzer
09/05/2013 16:04:00
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...But, regardless, we can't dwell in the past. With the great attacking players we faced in Oscar, Hazard, and Mata, I am now certain that AVB knew what he was doing when he fielded our players. He basically built that attacking Che$hit team, and I'm sure he knew how they would work, that is why our possession was greater and Walker easily silenced much of the Hazard threat. I think now, all we should hope for is that Levy backs AVB so that he can form an attacking team better than Che$hit's....
dcruzer
09/05/2013 16:11:00
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We'll finish fifth, there'll be plenty of speculation during the summer over new signings, and we'll offload some more deadwood, and one or two will come in from Sporting Nowhere or some such. Bale will be off. Then we'll be back having the same arguments next season, when we'll be wondering if Adebayor will be consistent, ditto Defoe, rely on the likes of Huddlestone, who looked really classy for about 20 minutes last season, and can we get anywhere near this season's let down, when in fact we'll struggle to reach the Europa, and then won't, and then Villas-Boas will be on his bike, getting his P45 from the lovely Mr. Levy. Oh, and the stadium will be built ...............definitely...............er.............um................some time soon.
lordjohnny
09/05/2013 16:13:00
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Image if we had gotten Mata, then Hazard, and lastly Oscar had they not chosen Chel$hit at the last minute? It would have been magnificent. I'm sure we can get similar players like them now, like James Rodriguez, Jackson Martinez, Atsu, Mertens, Ganso, Iker Munaian, Belhanda, and Obiang....But it is up Levy to take those risks....
dcruzer
09/05/2013 16:18:00
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Harry mentioned in another article… and the day was going so well. And jimmy - ‘it was never in our hands’ Unlike you cock, which is ALWAYS in yours...
SpursOne2
09/05/2013 16:19:00
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no negatives from that result whatsoever. Lets not forget what we are, and we are not a team that goes to stamford bridge expecting to win thats for sure! a win was a wild dream, but a draw is a more than satisfactory result imo
wiltshirespur
09/05/2013 16:32:00
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the performance, however, was a bit disapointing, but, quite simply, we have worse players than them atm so not particularly suprising
wiltshirespur
09/05/2013 16:35:00
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David Moyes signs a whopping 6 year contract to take over at manchester United
big cockeral
09/05/2013 16:42:00
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If it does go down to the last game of the season, I wouldn’t be worried if Newcastle were already safe from relegation. I remember reading some research a while back that analysed the perception that teams that were desperate for points, whether it be at the top or lower end of the division, had a greater than normal chance of winning. The research showed that it made no difference whatsoever – those teams were likely to accumulate points at the same rate as they had done all season. The conclusion was that although their need to win may have been greater, they didn’t have the capability of doing so.

The research also looked at teams that ‘had nothing to play for’: the perception being that these teams performed at a lower level than throughout the season; again it was shown to be untrue. These teams generally performed to the same level as they had done throughout the season. One conclusion was that players free from the pressure of relegation/promotion/Champions League etc., would be more relaxed and more likely to play to their full potential.

That’s why I would almost prefer Newcastle to be free from relegation worries. St James will be packed. After the season they’ve had, particularly as they started with such high expectations, I’m sure Pardew and the players will doing everything they can to end the season on a high. And you can be sure they are still smarting from the recent humiliating defeats to Sunderland and Liverpool.
GARYKIR
09/05/2013 16:48:00
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I think its very much a 'whodunnit' end to the season....enthralling to say the least, managerial changes at Everton how will that effect the final placings as they still have a say? I said at the beginning of the season top 8 for us, that may have been construed as pessimistic but i was unsure of AVB cos of his demise at the blue scum and also it always takes time for a manager and the players to get used to working with one another, ideas across etc etc. The fact that with only 2 games remaining and 2 very winnable games at that we have still a chance to qualify with no Kaboul, Sandro, Dembele/Parker for large parts ( a bloody whole midfield ) and no Adebayor but for last night and injuries to Defoe and no other striker options whatsoever is nothing short of sublime as far as i'm concerned. We will buy this summer - no question and strengthen and have key players back which all adds up to me already looking forward to next season with baited breath..... the future's bright.........the future's bolling-er. Raise your glasses to the boss. Cheers AVB for this season whatever happens.
Jocka101
09/05/2013 17:02:00
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I have to say I can't understand the optimism on here today, I am gutted today as I have been for a few weeks that we have yet again failed and thrown it away, we didn't buy a striker, again (worse than old this one), we sold 2 of our best midfielders and replaced them with inferior players, we watched numerous other players we desperately need swan off to rivals for pittance 6 months after we could have got them for even less.

In my eyes this season has been an epic failure with the only saving grace being that AVB has by way of some miracle managed to keep us in the hunt.

I am fed up of Lennon getting injured and us having no cover because we loaned them out, first it was GDS now it's Townsend, it pathetic, our club has the foresight of a blind goldfish!

Then the fact that we have to compete in the handicap league next year, that's right the one which is absolutely pointless other than keeping you too occupied to genuinely challenge the leaders who are in it's vastly richer older brother competition where you have to play less game which in the early stages actually average a lower lever because of the bloody seeding and groups system.

To be honest I am just getting seriously skeptical about the game as a whole, if it's not one thing it's another and it's sucked the will out of me with regards to football now.

Football is setup to make Man U and a few others rich, nothing more now so I fail to see the point of giving them my money any more, I love Spurs and I always will, but it's beyond a joke, it's not football, it's not business it's corrupt.
stu_u2k
09/05/2013 17:11:00
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Yorkspur good article ... we have some scouting to do now, and Levy must back AVB in squad sales and transfers in.. last night looking at the chelsea MF he bought, that is confirrmation for me that he can find and know how to deploy tactical movement for these players. So spurs will be much stronger next year. We have to keep up with the other 5 clubs around us in the league. AVB will not go to Everton... because he enjoys it at WHL and better training facilities, players..and a chairman / board who can spend money for quality players. So...no chance of him leaving for them. COYS
Block D Spurs
09/05/2013 17:26:00
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Has the media been touting AVB for Everton ...Block D?
Jocka101
09/05/2013 17:40:00
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It has been an absolutely outstanding effort from players and staff. To be in with a shout of reaching our record PL league points total with a completely new team that didn't replace Modric and VDV + whilst simultaneously giving it a proper go in Europe is fantastic. As has been pointed out - the top 4 teams, including Chelsea, have infinitely more resources than us and so it is hardly surprising they have superior players. The odds are stacked in their favour. Yet we still done well and finished 'best of the rest' with still a shout of finishing 4th with 2 games to go. We should be really proud of the way we have approached the season on all counts. And now we have a manager who's looking to build something and win trophies. We just need Levy to pull his finger out now with the stadium.
StillRickyVilla
09/05/2013 18:13:00
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Jocka I was responding to your mention of Everton. not too long before Media / journos. start casting rumours...
Block D Spurs
09/05/2013 18:17:00
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Stu_u2k, we are competing against 2 financially duped clubs in Chelsea, City, the world's richest club in United and Arsenal who have 15+ years of CL money and the revenue of a 60,000 stadium. I hate the way football has gone too as its no longer a competition. It is also completely unrealistic to suggest that the odd CL appearance here and there will change the status quo. Its painful for some but we have to accept where we are - a broadly 5th-7th ranked club who has a fighting chance of glory each year in all the Cup competitions and can finish in and around 5th position, sometimes scraping 4th, sometimes finishing 6th or 7th. Its where we are. I don't understand people threatening suicide when we don't match teams that have spent a billion pounds on their team - its completely unrealistic and Spurs fans expecting that will spend their lives miserable. Much better to enjoy all competitions smattered with the odd moment of glory. Its what supporting Spurs has always been like. With AVB we have a manager who has a track-record of collecting trophies - i'm hopeful of that in the future.
StillRickyVilla
09/05/2013 18:26:00
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Great article
True Spurs Supporter
09/05/2013 18:34:00
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totally take my hat off to Levy and ENIC for investing well in Lloris, Verts, Dembele and Ade, good value purchases there incl. 1 world-class striker and goalkeeper, and 2 intl.-class Belgiums.... shame AVB couldnt figure out how to play with less fear and how to use Ade properly, til perhaps last night.... time to use our TWO world-class forwards properly now AVB, you have 2 games to do it...
The Gaywalker
09/05/2013 18:35:00
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Lordjohhny, so right, couldn't have put it better myself.
Frank
09/05/2013 19:03:00
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SRV, you are right AVB has a record for winning trophies, he isn't the problem, it's Lewis/Levy with their 1 trophy in 13 years that are the problem. The Gaywalker, ENIC didn't "invest" anything in Lloris, Verts, Dembele and Ade, they simply re-cycled some of the money taken from the sales of Modric, VDV, Corluka, Kranjcar, GDS, and Bassong amongst others, making a profit in the window.
Frank
09/05/2013 19:09:00
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People need to acknowledge reality. We should be tickled pink with where we are. Modric, VDV, King gone, Gallas and Friedel clearly past it, Adebayor not here and off the boil when he was, Kaboul and Parker, then Sandro out. Essentially 8 of 11 starters gone or done off of a top 4 team and where are we? 3 points out of third with 2 to play. Pretty good, if you ask me and where we ought to be. Last year, IMO, we did not perform as well as we could have. This year has not been as pretty, but there is more steel, grit, execution and we have added Lloris, Vertonghen, Dembele to the foundation of Bale, Lennon, Sandro and a host of other young players that can be even better.

Again, we need to be realistic. Will Walker ever learn to cross, think or defend? It's all coachable, but will it ever sink in? On Townsend, stop lamenting the loan. He was not in AVB's plans. 5 appearances, 30 minutes, 11 times unused sub in PL games. Had we kept him around, he would not have played. In a couple of the QPR games he looked really good. In the others, he looked average and constantly wandered in to the middle of the park. I just don't think AVB rates him. Time will tell. Sign Son, Remy and an out and out striker and Townsend will get nowhere near the pitch. Lots will occur before kickoff next season. The Dawson situation was a question of respect. He didn't see him fitting in to the system and did not want a player who should be playing, sitting. Dawson chose to stay and fight. AVB chose to afford him that opportunity. Dawson proved him wrong and AVB admitted he was glad he did. To my mind, that's a man manager. Shame Gio, Pav, Corluka, Kranjcar, Pletikosa and others weren't afforded the same. COYS
peterballb
09/05/2013 19:12:00
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I admire the optomism shown by many, but can anybody honestly see Arsenal dropping any points v Wigan and Newcastle, all loyalties aside, it is just not going to happen.
Frank
09/05/2013 19:13:00
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Frank, you are right that with ENIC as owners and football the way it is allowing sugar daddies to bankroll clubs, we can NEVER compete with City, United or Chelsea. That's why i suggest we just enjoy how fantastic we've done (i.e the best of the rest which is realistically all we can hope for) and hope that AVB can bring us some Cup wins in the coming seasons. And that means instead of some fans criticising trophies like the UEFA Cup, it means embracing them as an opportunity to win a title - as AVB did this year. I'm not quite sure what people expect to happen even if we do scrape into the CL. Nothing will change with ENIC as owners and the liklihood is that the team that misses out (say Chelsea) will spend £100-£200m next season to make sure they are back in it. Whilst we'll still have the year-on-year arguments about whether to pointlessly concentrate on the league, never winning anything yet never ever being able to match the top clubs financially. Its a completely hopeless aspiration and we enjoy the ride for what it is in the context of where we are as a club.
StillRickyVilla
09/05/2013 19:19:00
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Frank, the sites that track transfers in and transfers out would disagree with your claim. Only last year was there a net transfer profit. Every other year under ENIC has resulted in a net transfer loss. Fact is wages have continued to climb which affords us less room for spends if we are going to hover around break even when football revenues and football expenditures are concerned.

I will wait until September 1 next season before dismissing where Levy, Lewis, AVB are going. COYS
peterballb
09/05/2013 19:25:00
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Could somebody resolve the Bentley position for me once and for all. I and others believed he was out of contract this summer, but I have just read a blog by a Blackburn bloke saying how sad it was to see him bow out of Ewood to return to WHL for the last year of his contract. Surely we haven't got to carry the prat for another season.
Frank
09/05/2013 19:33:00
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The game changer last night, was when the chavs took Hazard off, they never looked anywhere near as quick and dangerous after that. Lets hope we don,t balls it up against stoke rugby club as a good win will put the pressure on the goons. ps thought manure missed a trick in not promoting Howard Webb to player/ manager
whitehartmart
09/05/2013 19:34:00
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Incidentally we have our own "sugar daddy", he just doesn't part with his sugar, not a fan, not interested, couldn't give a *****e for the football club, just the bricks and mortar, he is our landlord.
Frank
09/05/2013 19:36:00
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Peter, SRV, said as it is. To be still in with a shout with two games to go is a pretty good achievement taking into account the loss of 2/3 of our star players and the Sandro and Kaboul injuries. Off topic, can't understand why Harry Redknapp wasn't considered for the United job. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
09/05/2013 19:47:00
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Sorry Block D i was only stating they will need a new manager not that AVB would possibly go there. I meant how will their players react to the news for the final 2 games. AVB won't be going anywhere pal.
Jocka101
09/05/2013 19:50:00
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Wigan I don't see beating Arsenal but Newcastle more likely. If they need to win to stay in the PL then they will give everything and if they are already safe they will relax and want to finish on a high, they are a proud club.

We must slip up in our last two games it is as simple as that.

Chelsea ought to get enough from their last two games to stay in top four but funnier things have happened. One upset from Villa could pile on the pressure and mean they could meet Everton who on the last day may well want to win their last game for Moyes especially against Chelsea (top four club) so potentially I see the next games the most crucial for us and Chelsea and the last game more crucial for Arsenal.

I think if we slip up against Stoke then we will not get top four so a win is a must.
thfan
09/05/2013 19:53:00
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The only possible way we can come near competing with the big boys is to invest in our scouting system, the next Carrick, Lennon, Berbatov, Modric, Bale, Lloris, Verthongen will always be there you just have to find him. And a good coach will always come in handy, that is sorted. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
09/05/2013 20:03:00
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We're Spurs. There's always a let down, even when we're supposedly doing well. I don't go with this 'we should know our place' crapola. It's an excuse for apathetic players, poor management, short-sighted investment from owners who have pished millions up the wall by not building a stadium fit for a giant club. It's about time the excuses stopped, and after 52 BLEEDING YEARS, we actually have people who want us to challenge rather than the pathetic drivel year after fricking year about how good we've been to be also-rans YET AGAIN.
lordjohnny
09/05/2013 20:07:00
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Excellent article, Yorkspur. Only thing I disagree with you on is Benny. I thought he was poor last night.

SRV -- You are bang on the money regarding where we are as a club, and your outlook as a supporter is akin to my own. Treat all competitions seriously and enjoy being in the mix ... just like this season. Love my team! COYS
SpursEagle
09/05/2013 20:12:00
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Love people that love spending other people's money, easy peasy.
ItalianYiddo
09/05/2013 20:14:00
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LJ -- EVERYONE wants us to win things! But if that is not realistic in terms of the League, then the next best thing is to be competing. Being a supporter is more than just singing when the club is winning, and you know that, because you are still a fan after all these years.
SpursEagle
09/05/2013 20:18:00
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Unquestionably, for me, the most exciting activity for Spurs since the early 80's SpursEagle.
Jocka101
09/05/2013 20:32:00
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Agree Jocka!
SpursEagle
09/05/2013 20:40:00
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LJ, all well and good but where are you taking the money from? We don't have an owner who will self fund with Monopoly money so where to get the extra cash? We break even, more or less. I accept that and consider it responsible. I would suggest selling Defoe, Gomes, Ade, BAE, Hudd, Townsend, Parker and add the 30M from the new TV deal. That's 60-70M. More importantly, along with Gallas, that's a whole whack of contract gone. Bentley has one more year, so we'll have to pay him to go, but again, this all reduces salary. Son, Remy, Howedes, Belhanda, Benteke could all be afforded along with Cesar. Covered across the pitch and now we can look to sell Dawson, Dempsey and a few others. That's all without CL. With CL (not in our hands) we could add 25-30M more. And, as I said, with all of the salary that could come off our salary expenditures would likely decrease.

Again, I have adopted a wait and see attitude come September 1. As I see it, we have gone from mid table to being in Europe every year and on the cusp of CL. We must keep pushing forward. We just must do so in a calculated manner as we have 5 teams that can easily outspend us. That will be the case for the next decade or 2 even with a new stadium and CL. It takes time. We are as good as anyone as far as best XI go. We just need to strengthen the weakest links. COYS
peterballb
09/05/2013 20:47:00
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Spot on Peter fella.
Jocka101
09/05/2013 20:52:00
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Well said Peter. We all want a successful Tottenham. But success comes in varying degrees. To get to the pinnacle is extremely hard for a club without the bottomless resources of those above us. We have had a relatively successful season. Time to step up a notch next year and win a trophy (and yes, that means taking Europa seriously again, IF we miss out on CL), and try to keep pushing on, bit by bit.
SpursEagle
09/05/2013 20:53:00
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The owners are fully and wholly to blame for our predicament as a middling club with an attendance to match. There is no reason why we should be underselling in every sense of the word. Those of you who back this shower deserve the dross they will serve up year after year. They've reduced our club, changed our kit, and anglicised the motto, in keeping with the dumb down generation. That'll be removed soon too, as we can't have all that 'daring' going on at Spurs. 'Mane humilis et mediocribus'.
lordjohnny
09/05/2013 21:10:00
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I wonder HOW many comments would be made IF for 1 article only, NO 1 could distract from the article with yet ANOTHER witch hunt???

Sick & tired of hearing the same drivel, City & Chelski ruining the game with their "ethics", then moaning Enic/Levy are only interested in running a financially stable EPL Club thats now in contention each season for CL football, how dare they...

This has been a SUPERB season, with SO many odds stacked against us. New Manager/Coach & not just any1, no we had AVB & all the baggage he unfairly had to carry, lost King (permanently), Modric, VDV. Brought in a new GK who (correctly) required time to bed in, Lost key personel from the starting 11 yet again, a striker who's had a stinker apart from last night.

SO many stumbling blocks, yet despite all that & foolishly letting slip SO many winnable games, here we are in a dog fight, scoring late goals & winning points, down to the final 2 games of the season needing 2 wins to clinch the CL spot that we've held onto for so much of the season. Obviously CL requires 1 if not both our rivals dropping points, however both have dropped similar types of points in similar types of games just like us this season. CL is NOT an impossibility, its hard, but so it should be, or else WHATS THE POINT?

"It is better to fail aiming high than to succeed aiming low. And we of Spurs have set our sights very high, so high in fact that even failure will have in it an echo of glory."

"When it is played at its best football remains the greatest game of all. And Tottenham, so close to my heart, is still to me the greatest club."

Two statements from Mr Tottenham himself. RIP Sir

COYS
True Spurs Supporter
09/05/2013 21:17:00
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Yorkspur - really good analysis and agree. Keep the faith
Windlespur
09/05/2013 21:20:00
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You guys still have a chance. We (chelsea) will definitely draw to everton. Our top 4 hopes are resting on us beating aston villa. Arsenal and you have equally as hard fixtures as the teams your facing will be highly motivated. Stoke need a point to survive and they're the best at getting draws. Sunderland will probably need to draw to avoid it as well. if wigan had beat swansea they 100% wouldn't lose to arsenal. But they have to win. Which means if they're drawing in the last 10min they will throw everyone forward giving arsenal a chance to win. Newcastle away isn't exactly easy either.
Humza_96
09/05/2013 21:22:00
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LJ -- LOL at your new motto. I just had to laugh, too funny, mate!

Seriously though, what would make you a "happy" Spurs supporter? And could you answer Peter's point about how the present owners are going to get us there? Oh, and when was the last time you were happy being a Spurs fan? Or were you ever?
SpursEagle
09/05/2013 21:25:00
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My hope comes from the fact that whilst arsenal beat ten man Fulham, Norwich, an awful QPR and drew with a drunk manure - at no point did they look very good. Hopefully Wigan will be motivated despite cup final and that will then keep Newcastle in the mix. One can hope anyhow, but of course, we also have two tough games. Siggy again delivered, despite how ***** some think he is, but he always looks like he has a goal in him and seems to be settling more. Big miss last night was no Dembele and replaced by a poor Hudd. Set pieces awful.
Windlespur
09/05/2013 21:30:00
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You're right SpursEagle. I'm a miserable old scrote. Just ignore me. Liquid lunch.
lordjohnny
09/05/2013 21:34:00
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Good post TSS
SpursEagle
09/05/2013 21:36:00
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No name calling LJ!
SpursEagle
09/05/2013 21:38:00
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By the way I've an exclusive passed to me by a media friend. It's about Moyes and Man. Utd. This is a transcript of the phone call between David Gill and the Glazers from a few days ago. David Gill: Is that Joel or Avi? Glazer: Never mind already. Wassup Davy boy, we're on conference call? Gill: It's Sir Alex. He's off. Glazer: Waddya mean? Gill: He's retiring. Glazer: OK. Did you do the usual thing? Gill: No, this time he's serious. Glazer: Great. That's all we need. Gill: Look, don't worry I've sorted it. Glazer: How so? Gill: I've got Moyes. Glazer: You've got moist? Holy guacemole, soccer means a lot to you guys. Gill: No, I've got David Moyes. Glazer: Does he know a good replacement? Gill: No. He's the replacement. Glazer: Why have we never heard of him? Gill: Well, he's pretty well known over here. Glazer: Why is that? What's he done? Gill: Well, he managed Everton for 11 years. Glazer: Ever...ton? Gill: Yes. They are an established high profile club. Glazer: OK. What've they done? Gill: They've been a top flight club for over 100 years. Glazer: What have they done? Gill: They've won cups and leagues. Glazer: Great. And this guy Moyes, what's his contribution? Gill: Well, as I said he's highly thought of by those in the know. Glazer: He's won nothing hasn't he? Gill: yes. Glazer: We didn't hear you. Gill: YES. Glazer: What's his biggest achievement? Gill: Er... keeping them in the league all that time. Glazer: Oh, so they're a Wigan Panthers or Norwich Blue Stars? Gill: A bit higher profile. Glazer: How higher? What's their salary bill for players? Gill: 8th highest in the premier. Glazer: And they've won....nada? NADA? Gill: He has a lot of respect among his peers. Glazer: You mean the other guys who win when he doesn't. Gill: And he's Scottish. Glazer: Great. Another employee I need translating. Gill: Sir Alex recommended him. Glazer: Oh, OK, like he recommended Archie Knox, Brian Kidd, McClaren, Ryan, then that Portuguese guy, Walter Smith, the portuguese guy and Mike Phelan? Gill: Well yes....but it worked didn't it. Glazer: Well if he's staying it may work. Undo it now. Gill: Um...........er..........I'm off too. Do I get my statue? Glazer: No fricking way. Gill: Er......only joking. Forget this phone call happened. Um.... April fool?
lordjohnny
09/05/2013 21:41:00
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Glazer: Oh, so they're a Wigan Panthers or Norwich Blue Stars? -- lmao
SpursEagle
09/05/2013 21:46:00
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LJ, I guess it's how you look at it. IMO, these past 8 seasons have been as good as any time since the 9 seasons from 81-89. In fact, very similar. To do better, we have to go back to the sixties. The PL is a whole different beast than the old Division One. The gap between have and have not clubs continues to grow to a point where ManU was worth over 1B and Wigan worth 43M just a year ago. Back in the 70's and 80's virtually any established team could compete for signatures. Now it's not the case. We can match Fellaini's buyout as can Chelsea, but Chelsea will give him 30k/week more than we will. Even 20k more seats averaging 30GBP with 30 total dates only adds 18 M to the pool. Realistically, that allows you to buy and pay a 12M player like Son. That's it. We are reaping the benefits of the UA kit deal. We are reaping the benefits of the yearly Euro exposure. We are reaping the benefits of Berbatov, Keane, King, Modric, Bale etc. we are regaining what I recall the image of Spurs from the 70's where it was a worldwide brand. I really believe many sell ENIC short. No, they don't use Monopoly money. They live within their means while growing the business. A decade ago we were a foundering mid-table team. Jol moved us to the group behind the big 4. Ramos kept us in Europe by winning a Cup. Harry got us lots of press and kept us up there pushing us to be in the top 5. We are still there. IMO, there will be money spent and AVB will have his team by the start of September. He is a very good manager. The players are playing for him. I think we are much closer than many give credit. September 1 lay in to me if I am wrong. Spurs are now a team that the wealthy clubs worry about. That was not the case when ENIC bought the club. COYS
peterballb
09/05/2013 21:46:00
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Again, nicely put Peter. Enjoyed reading the link from manager to manager
SpursEagle
09/05/2013 21:55:00
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peterballb..... A wait and see attitude eh? September the 1st is too long to wait as it'll mean that, once again, we're waiting for the last minute deal of the century that never comes. Remember our first 6 games this season, bedding in new players that should have had a pre season with the club whilst trying to pick up precious league points and change the style of play? Didn't work then won't work now! Had we done our business early last year we may well have picked up those 2 extra points that would mean it was still in our own hands. Major faux pas by our illustrious DoF, as was his failure during the January window. Much like last season, we were only some 'To Dare is To Do' away. A cynic may think that our owners aren't interested in keeping our better players, preferring instead to 'shop window' them in Europes lesser competition.
thfc1882whl
09/05/2013 21:57:00
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LJ - We all know we are the greatest club on earth. But unless the football authorities deal with the financial inequalities (not going to happen) or we bring in new owners who can simply throw half a billion at our team (also not going to happen) we just HAVE to accept where we are. What choice do we have? There is stuff to enjoy, its not like our history is awash with league titles and european cups anyway. Much of our history has been built on being the most successful FA Cup team and winning Euro trophies and producing magical moments that get replayed over and over again that somehow overshadow more consistent teams' achievements - that's what we need to get back to whilst still aiming for the odd CL experience.
StillRickyVilla
09/05/2013 21:58:00
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