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Should I Stay or Should I Go: Jermain Defoe.

Should I Stay or Should I Go: Jermain Defoe.

Ever since he scored for fun whilst on loan at Bournemouth, Jermain Defoe has been hailed as a finished of the highest order.

Reputations and facts are all too often not totally accurate and sadly in the case of Jermain, he has probably never quite lived up to the media hype and reputation, though it is without question that he is a very decent player. Question is, whether he is a player that genuinely fits into AVB plans and also whether he is quite decent enough for a side that is aspiring to play Champions league football and also demands a 20+ goals a season striker.

Last season, Jermain scored 19 goals in 49 games for club and country, which on paper isn't too shabby, especially when we consider that he was often either subbed or the sub on many occasions. However he scored fourteen of those goals in the first 25 games and only five on the last 24. Of course there were a few injuries and perhaps a lack of consecutive games he enjoyed in the first half of the season, but the jury is still out over his ability to be a lone striker and also ever score the amount of goals and bring others into play that our style appears to demand.

When we consider that Jermain will be 31 in October, you don't imagine that his best days are ahead of him and although I wouldn't be too upset at our keeping him next season, it would be more for his ability from the bench as opposed to being a starter and I can't see that being to his liking and perhaps he would happily accept a final payday and regular football over being a bit part performer.

It is suggested that Stoke City are interested in buying Jermain for around £7m and if we could secure a deal for David Villa at somewhere close to that, you feel it is a definite upgrade in player and also status and leadership. That isn't a negative towards Defoe, but for similar fee, albeit bigger wages, you assume, we get a World Cup winner and a better all-round player that seems to suit our system much more.

Villa is only ten months older that Defoe and I can't see too many supporters or even football 'experts' that would see that move as a negative and you can imagine that Villa would be able to outscore Defoe, and add extra bite and versatility to the team and also offer an inspirational and awe inspiring presence to some on the training pitch. I can imagine what someone like Harry Kane would think about training and talking to someone of that stature...

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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Sunday July 7 2013
Time: 12:00PM

Comments

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sadly he has to go, a striker who scores 1 goal in second half of season is not acceptable
Aussie Yiddo
07/07/2013 12:15:00
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Defoe, is an impact sub at best, the rumours of stoke would be good for him would be no 1 for there team, never had a top 4 team after him will always be a yiddo but needs to move on for his own career and his england career
Aussie Yiddo
07/07/2013 12:16:00
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plus will get wages off bill, next out huddlestone, Livermore, Parker, Adebayor,Dempsey, Friedel.
Aussie Yiddo
07/07/2013 12:17:00
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coops not nice!
Aussie Yiddo
07/07/2013 12:17:00
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Bye!!
coopsieyid
07/07/2013 12:17:00
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Bye! I'm with Coops on this one! No need to elaborate.
jvd
07/07/2013 12:19:00
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defoe needs to be sold and if we can get 6-7 million that would be fantastic. to upgrade from defoe to villa would be a dream. they are about the same age, while villa has not had the same constant injury niggles as defoe, and although he was sidelined so long with the broken leg this is the only reason we can now realistically target him. defoe is never happy not to be first choice and is actually more vocal and disruptive about this than adebayor. neither defoe or villa is exactly a significant physical presence but villa is a class above, actually quite a few classes. firstly he excels were defoe fails miserably, in his movement and reading of the game. secondly he actually is what defoe is quite ludicrously claimed to be, a natural finisher. we would be replacing a blast and hope mentality with deadly accuracy with both feet, finesse and intelligence. finally villa will pass to better positioned team mates and that makes the team so much more dangerous. I personally would rather we sell defoe than adebayor. Although I would be happy to see them both leave, Ade simply offers so much more and even when bad his presence generally improves the team. defoe, even when he scores, is a detrimental presence due to his extreme selfishness, his inability to anticipate, move intelligently and stay on side. when you only put away 1 in 10 shots, then you need a hell of a lot more to your game then being the "great finisher"
Guernman
07/07/2013 12:21:00
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Ox, way to long an article for the question mate!! LOL!!
jvd
07/07/2013 12:21:00
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if we get better of course. same answer for most/all
tophobunty
07/07/2013 12:26:00
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Aussie - I apologise if my honest opinion offends you. If that simple little post has offended you, I imagine you're not really going to enjoy the majority of responses to Ox's article :(.
coopsieyid
07/07/2013 12:28:00
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Everything Guernman said.
Hot_Spur
07/07/2013 12:30:00
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£6m from Stoke?! Daniel take the money and run!
jvd
07/07/2013 12:36:00
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Time for an upgrade. Thank you and goodbye
LongTimeSpursFan64
07/07/2013 12:37:00
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No wait. Daniel if it will speed things up, give them back £1m so they can pay him a signing on fee to come!
jvd
07/07/2013 12:38:00
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coops, sorry I was being sarcastic lol, trust me he has to go bye was to polite ***** him off yesterday he is ****!!
Aussie Yiddo
07/07/2013 12:39:00
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£6M for JD is a no brainer I'd have thought. But whatever we may say about his lack of productivity he gives it his all. I suppose he will want to be in the England squad for 2014, and somewhere like Stoke would give him more game time.
jacobslad
07/07/2013 12:43:00
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knowing us we will sell Defoe and Ade then nobody will come in.
topspur53
07/07/2013 12:44:00
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6 million, I would take 2 million to get shot, for a long time he has failed to perfrom how we want he is not an out and out striker, he is inconsistent and a drain on our resources ....we need improvements Utd have RVP rooney, City have Augerro Dzeko had Teves, Chelski have Torres Ba, we have erm Defoe and Adebayor even arsenal have Giroud we need better simples
Aussie Yiddo
07/07/2013 12:46:00
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GO. taxi booked and paid for.
Little spur
07/07/2013 12:49:00
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Goodbye, so long and thanks for the fish.....
Ken Dagnall
07/07/2013 12:51:00
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Aussie, City sold Tevez.
tophobunty
07/07/2013 12:51:00
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Close the door on the way out.
vicspur
07/07/2013 12:54:00
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LS - Surely taxi for Maicon, er, Defoe....
Ken Dagnall
07/07/2013 12:55:00
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Looking back I'm going to include Ade, who with VDV was a outstanding loan signing, defoe moaned about being on the bench and said in not so many words ''i may have to leave to get first team football'' Ade then decides his going to the ACN, leaving us with just two forwards Dempsey and Defoe, we muddled through costing us points, Ade can go to turkey, come to that he can pi$$ off to coventry for all i care, so if we sign two from three David Villa, Roberto Soldado or maybe Benteke, are we keeping Dempsey? Defoe should be used in cash plus player for Benteke, he can team up with Bent again after all they are best mates, or just sell him and take the money 6 to 7m towards another striker, we need new blood up top, Defoe will score goals, but his not going to get any better and after all passing is not his strong point, we need team players and a bloody good number 9.
spu 4 life
07/07/2013 12:59:00
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Not relevant, but why not remind ourselves http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J5erK1tlSkut ?
Ken Dagnall
07/07/2013 12:59:00
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We've only got 2 strikers and 1 of those is Adebayor! So quite obviously Defoe HAS to stay until or unless we sign at least 2 strikers. Can't believe people think selling him is a good idea at this stage, sure he has limitations but his sell on value will be low so we might as well keep him. He was excellent in the first half of last season
HuddersfieldYiddo
07/07/2013 13:02:00
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tophobunty - Yes City sold Tevez. Why he said "had" Tevez I guess?
OzSpurs2013
07/07/2013 13:03:00
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The disrespect shown for Defoe by some posters is amazing, especially as they would probably wet their pants with excitement if they actually met the man. Of course we ought to replace him now he is over 30 and still worth a reasonable sum of money. That is good business, and the chairman will do it if and when the time is right. As for Villa, well he will just be a short term player like Gallas, bought short term for his ability, near the end of his career. COYS
4everaspur
07/07/2013 13:04:00
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''Defoe had a good first half season'' yes he did then what happened 1 goal since the turn of the year; If we had Benteke for half a season and sodado for the second half we would have finished 2nd not 5th
spu 4 life
07/07/2013 13:08:00
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Spot on Spu 4, Defoe is a striker who can get you a goal from nothing but that is not what we are trying to build here at the mighty Spurs we need a forward who knows where the net is, is composed in front of goal, has vision to play to a man in a better position and can take a penalty. Defoe is too good for a lower division but not good enough for the upper echelons of the Premier League and that is where we are headed.
Jocka101
07/07/2013 13:11:00
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jordtheyid
07/07/2013 13:12:00
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Of course as Jod tells us all the time, Defoe is on a contract, so will only leave, if he, not Spurs or Daniel Levy, want him to. It all depends on what Jermaine Defoe wants out of what's left of his career at 31 years old, given that his recent injury record is poor, his form is streaky to be kind, his international career is probably finished, and he lives in London on good money, with the night life and atmosphere that he has always enjoyed, all around him. Playing regular first team football may no longer be that important, and moving away to a club where, although he might play regularly, he would be with inferior players etc. and he might even have to take a pay cut, is unlikely to appeal. I think on balance, unless Spurs are prepared to assist in maintaining his income should he agree to move, that he will stay and see out his contract, then seek a cushy couple of years on a free somewhere, before jacking it all in at 35ish.
Frank
07/07/2013 13:12:00
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Ah sorry Aussie. You ever thought about a career in poetry? Your response to me was beautiful lol
coopsieyid
07/07/2013 13:13:00
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4ever - suitably chastened, but it is the summer holiday.... Think you are shortchanging Villa though - his CV is far better that Billy's, who leaves with gratitude and affection (just like JD) - he has gravitas!
Ken Dagnall
07/07/2013 13:14:00
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Get the cash but we need a replacement. No good having Villa and Dempsey, we need a decent target man!!
RAF Yid
07/07/2013 13:19:00
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Jermain Defoe, Sky and Match of the Day legend. Looked OK at Portsmouth because that is his level. I can put up with him as third choice striker brought on in last 25 minutes for impact but that is all.Was sold once and should have stayed sold. Defoe, Crouch, Adebayor, Pav,Keane ( second spell ) Iversen, Doherty.Aint life wonderful watching Tottenham up front .No wonder we are running scared of signing strikers.
cynicspur
07/07/2013 13:31:00
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I believe that he is he out of contract next June. If so he can then move for free. But in this circumstance no one in their right mind would pay near £6 million now for a 31 year old. (Oct). Tom Carroll (21 years) a bigger, stronger, younger man would be a better striker - Ok I know this will not happen!
camper
07/07/2013 13:31:00
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Defoe won`t be a Spurs player come September 3rd .I`d put my mortgage on that .

Players have to suit the system & the system has to suit the players .Defoe doesn`t even fall into one of them ,Dempsey ,Hudd ,Dawson,,Siggy & Lennon are the same ,they are one style players & top 4 you cannot be so predictable in your play .
Very good squad players but none should be plan A
big cockeral
07/07/2013 13:34:00
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Cynicspur, you forgot at least 2 more Spurs stalwart strikers in Rebrov, and Postiga, both as much good as "an ashtray on a motor bike".
Frank
07/07/2013 13:35:00
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Go. Thanks. Get a complete forward in.
ledders77
07/07/2013 13:35:00
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Leave the door open
ledders77
07/07/2013 13:37:00
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Bobby Zamora Frank?....Gregorz Rasiak?....
Jocka101
07/07/2013 13:46:00
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Thanks ox, I would write a novel if ade, Parker, Livermore, Dawson hudds, Dempsey and friedel went with him .... Can't stand the greedy little sod
Aussie yiddo
07/07/2013 13:56:00
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RAF - We don't want a "target man". If you want that you get Andy Carroll. If AVB is going to play 4-3-3, we want 3 forwards who are fluid, move intelligently off the ball, switch positions and play as a unit. David Villa is absolutely one of those and why AVB wants him. Ade is also very capable of doing that, if he clicked with Villa as he did with VdV that would be magic. Bale can also play that way.
Hot_Spur
07/07/2013 14:05:00
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4ever, no disrespect was meant but the reality is he needs to go. He is making £65K a week and isn't worth that with his play or productivity. He also does not fit the system we play now. This is the reality. Disrespect will come when he can't get on the field and begins to moan about playing time.
jvd
07/07/2013 14:08:00
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Maybe Villa could teach him a thing or two? A good player from the bench but not a starter next season at all. If he feels he wants to fight for his spot then good luck to him, but its clear he will not be a starter when "strikerx2" arrive.
Mix26
07/07/2013 14:09:00
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even in 433 one of the forwards has to be able to play back to goal...it would also be nice if there were an aerial threat....for me we can't lose Defoe until we have already secured a better player...just changing Defoe for Villa would be like re-arranging the deck chairs on the titanic...we need a striker who can hold the ball, we need a striker who's young enough to give us 2+ years...with Ade's attitude if we sell Defoe we may very well need to buy 3 strikers....and I can't see Levy stretching to that.
shedboy2
07/07/2013 14:24:00
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Hot, the wrong term I suppose but I still think it needs one of the forwards to have a presence. I don't want Andy Carroll but would love an Adebayor from 2012. Villa will be good but Benteke is who I really fancy.
RAF Yid
07/07/2013 14:30:00
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shed - Are you saying Villa is no better than Defoe? "Changing the deck chairs on titanic"? I would say there's a world of difference, Defoe isn't on the same planet as Villa.
Hot_Spur
07/07/2013 14:31:00
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Cover for wingers? What about Adam Johnson, did reall well at $ity, took our leftback to the cleaners last season(not that that was too hard), lefty who can play on RHS as well, comfortable on the ball, better than Townsend, possibly as good, although much slower< than the almost always injured Gazza. As a lock picker, what about that midfielder who almost got Wigan out of jail again, cant remember his name, but he sees space and has a great weighted pass. If our defence stays injury free, and we need cover for defensive mid, I am sure that either Verts or Kaboom could play that role in front of two other central defenders. Strikers, no one going any where until two new strikers brought in, and then I think it will be either Daffy or Ade, not both, to increase our depth in that posi. The youngsters aren't good enuf yet unfort. Think we def gonna get Villa, just no news from other clubs for him, which is very strange, and probably Dami as I fear Benteke wont happen. Just my opinion, rip me to pieces guys
10iscoach
07/07/2013 14:35:00
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Until we bring in 2 new strikers I don't want any of our current crop to leave. If we get 2 then JD would be the first out the door for me.
canadianspur
07/07/2013 14:37:00
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10, Johnson gone to Sunderland i think, can't see him moving again! The Wigan lads talk has gone quiet, both Macs will move I think!!
RAF Yid
07/07/2013 14:39:00
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It might seem like we have an embarrassment of home-grown players but I would say only Walker, Caulker, Bale and Lennon are guaranteed a squad place. Defoe is in with the rest of the homegrown players fighting for his squad place along with guys like Dawson, Rose, Naughton, Smith, Parker, Hudd, Livermore and Mason. It's fair to say that we will probably see 3 or 4 of them leave this summer and I would be tempted to go if I were Defoe. It's probably the right move for both club and player.
muttley
07/07/2013 14:44:00
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In fact, it's gone quiet everywhere, I can't understand why clubs leave it so late to sign players, Defoe knows he's not going to start, he's supposably been told to go. Why hasn't somebody come in. I'd have thought West Ham, Stoke, Newcastle would be jumping, why leave it so late.
RAF Yid
07/07/2013 14:45:00
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Townsend is yet another one sweating on his squad place.
muttley
07/07/2013 14:51:00
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RAF Yid - my guess is that if we had sold Adebayor and Defoe early the other clubs would be naming their price for any new striker joining our club.
muttley
07/07/2013 14:52:00
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True Muttley, but it makes no sense buying in Late August. Get them in early, Defoe knows he's going, is he waiting for a top 6 club to come?
RAF Yid
07/07/2013 15:21:00
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Just read an article that Bale will sign a new deal this week at big money. If so, he shud be earning almost the same as Levy, after all the money and bonuses he received from money saving on strikers. Cumon Danny boy, surprise us and bring in quality up front, a Kinsmanesque type deal
10iscoach
07/07/2013 15:47:00
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I hear ManU are interested :-)
Hot_Spur
07/07/2013 15:48:00
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Damiao to Napoli, at lest we don't sweat that one again
10iscoach
07/07/2013 15:49:00
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They want to do a swap for RvP
Hot_Spur
07/07/2013 15:50:00
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Ok, lets be contraversial, who would swop either Daffy or Ade to Fulham if they offered us........ Berbatov!!! Loved the player, pure quality, hated the way he left. Rather him than than other two
10iscoach
07/07/2013 15:57:00
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There is quite a few of us who would love to see Adam Johnson as he provides competition on both wings, gets assists and goals as well. I would welcome him. Another that we would love to have is Micah Richards. May be some bargains at City before the end of the transfer window. I was screaming for Aly Cissokho last year and he moved for £5m. Stories now that Liverpool are looking at him. Would be a good signing at left back in my opinion. Best rumour is still AVB trying to get Hulk on loan. I know you guys think he has had his chance, but I still think getting Damaio for around £15m would be great business. Next year is World cup in Brazil and for us to have 3 brazillians would be incredible. They will be playing for world cup places and lets not forget Scolari will be looking at all of them. If that is not an incentive for Damaio to bring his A game, then he can forget about playing for Brazil.
vicspur
07/07/2013 15:57:00
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I've just read Barca have enquired about Vertonghen, any truth in this? Oh and on the article, is he still here?
yiddyboy
07/07/2013 15:58:00
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Daffy and Losesumore to Fulham for Berbatov, in a heartbeat. Imagine him holding ball up and letting Bale run at defenders. Personally I would be peein in my pants at the propect. Damiao has his champs team, Napoli
10iscoach
07/07/2013 16:05:00
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Sell Defoe, Kane and Obika, buy Rebic and Castaignos. Both could play now and will potentially be top strikers in the future. No money out and lower salary figures. Even if we did nothing, we'd be better off. We will do something, so we will be far better off. COYS
peterballb
07/07/2013 16:11:00
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And by signing Rebic and Castaignos, the pressure for a striker goes down. Get in Atsu too as he seems to be available. Loan for Deulofeu. All sorts of coverage at striker and on the wings and no real money spent. COYS
peterballb
07/07/2013 16:16:00
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Fulham could have Defoe, Ade, Hudd, Parker and Livermore for Berbatov.
Hot_Spur
07/07/2013 16:16:00
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If Barca are trying for a swap deal Villa for Vertonghen they can p1ss off.
Hot_Spur
07/07/2013 16:19:00
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I can see Levy haggling over pennies for Villa until the death. If he comes at all it will be at 10.59 on September 2nd.
Hot_Spur
07/07/2013 16:21:00
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Talking of Belgiums whats this FC Twente winger like that we are now supposed to be after...Nacer Chadli?
jacobslad
07/07/2013 16:28:00
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I personally think keeping Defoe is sensible. He knows what AVB wants, he knows the club and players around him and he can be a good impact sub.

We really don't know how Villa will do and it only takes one injury to put a player out for months or even a season. We need backup and can we say Ade would do any better as backup to Villa if we get him.

I personally feel Ade would be more of a problem being on the subs bench than Defoe even though Defoe will not like it but may be he will if he feels he will get cup matches and some Pl time especially as he knows he isn't getting younger. He may like the idea of working with a top player like Villa but Ade I am not so sure he will feel the same, he will think he is bigger than Villa.

I prefer to keep Defoe over Ade if we get Villa I just haven't liked Ade attitude.

Whatever happens we need to make sure we don't sell our self short up top again.
thfan
07/07/2013 17:53:00
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Chadli is good. Tadic and Castaignos are both higher up on my list as FC Twente players go. He's third though, but nowhere near Tadic who can play as striker or winger. COYS
peterballb
07/07/2013 18:23:00
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BREAKING NEWS Higuain apparently failed his medical at Arsenal because he developed asthma due to the dust in Arsenal's trophy cabinet
123spurs
07/07/2013 18:24:00
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Cavani going to PSG. When will teams have to respect FFPR? We can't compete with that (nor can anyone in France other than Monaco who are also living on Monopoly money). Heck, even City and Chelsea can't compete. He must be relishing all of the games played in front of 10-15k fans and playing against teams that will have a 63M GBP net spend over the next two decades, let alone on one player. Every player's dream. COYS
peterballb
07/07/2013 18:29:00
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