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THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY.

Well, that was a strange window. No signings made on deadline day and transfer record broken no less than 3 times. Conflicting viewpoints from many fans yesterday regarding the assembled squad and whether it is strong enough.

Good to see that the likes of Eriksen and Lamela have been added to give us some creativity that some feel we lack, only a plus for me as still this season the same as last we look all too slow in our build up play. Eriksen has a very important role I feel in how this team performs this season and he has the skill set to be a massive player for Spurs for years to come. Plenty of caps for his country and Champs league experience, when you consider Everton paid circa £12 million for McCarthy, you have to admit it looks like a steal the fee we paid for him. Lamela is another with bags of potential and comes with the tag of record signing. We will see great things from this lad I'm sure. Great dribbler and has a sound reading of the game. Lot of money agreed but let's not forget some of the great players Baldini has unearthed and brought to Europe in the past. The guy knows talent when he sees it.

Chiriches will offer something different at the back and in my opinion is another very good signing. Adept at bringing the ball out from the back, and with surging runs forward he could very well form an amazing partnership with Verts, very excited about this one. Chadli not going to tear the wing up with pace, but has a good first touch and when up to speed will be very effective at linking play and scoring goals. He has played AM for his country and his manager has stated that when fit he is the first name he looks to put on the team sheet. Not bad when you consider he plays for a very good improving Belgium side.

Paulinho and Capoue, well it does what it says on the tin. Very strong combative Midfielders, Paulinho has a knack of getting in the box with late runs and Capoue has a habit of, well stopping anything that moves. Awesome.

Soldado is a great finisher, make no mistake. He just needs the service, hopefully that will come from Eriksen and others more suited in the hole. Good, good signing.

Bad call I feel to get rid of Benny as we have now only got Rose as recognised LB. I know Fryers and Verts, Naughton can play there but this is not their primary positions. Chiriches and Naughton, Kaboul can cover Walker and I for†one am†all good with this more so than the LB. We may be considered a little light up top and I feel it was a bad call not to add another striker. Injury to Soldado and we are left with Defoe and Ade, whom i believe was pretty much told he was surplus to requirements. Not good.

The ugly side of this window has been the way we have been shafted by RM. 'Special relationship?'. Very funny, (£85.3 million for Bale makes me laugh tho').

All in all a good window, great signings. The squad is a whole lot stronger and we are the team who have improved our squad dramatically. We just need to allow AVB and the players the time to gel and get up to speed and show us all the talent that they DO possess. Patience my friends, Spurs are looking good.

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Date:Tuesday September 3 2013

Time: 9:35AM

Your Comments

Well, that's me, Big C & Coopsie taken care of!

Spuds-U-Like
We'll be right in a few weeks
PERTH OZSPUR
COYS
South L/Derry Spurs
You should have named it ONE FOR ONE & ALL FOR NOTHING!!! So what happened to the 50million war chest i.e. at he start of this window. If someone can post a accurate figure of in's and outs our spending is what? Bale apart the incoming players are an upgrade using the word ''potential'' maybe look back to the day we sold Modric our spending is all about balance and that makes good financial sense in today's current climate, looking yesterday at the arrival of Gareth at the burn'a'bale, i started to see the light and really understand why he wanted to go, i have never seen him so happy, the sun was out, fans of all ages got in for nothing, no money was charged by real madrid to gain entrance, shirts sales, photo's sold and i thought ''you know what i would have as well'' 300 thousand a week euro's or pound's makes no odds, yes please. So the final figure was, as Big C posted the OFAH clip spending phuck all, but lost our best player in a long time.
spu 4 life
We seem to have an excellent squad if we bring the likes of Ade back and get the best from him. Eriksen will hopefully be the one that gets the ball through to our front line. Capoue looks much more than a defensive player - great passing forward, Lamela - don't know yet? Vlad looks brilliant if he can settle in and Chadli looks like he has touches of genius but needs time to settle.. Gonna have to downgrade us from 3rd to 4th!
spurtool
Strangest thing is that the chavs wont sell to us or the scum as we are seen as threats.. but they did do business with liverpool! what does that say? COYS
4everaspur
AVB must now to-day gel the new players into a team whom they were bought to create a new look side , Dawson was rubbish against Arsenal , Walker was shakey to say the least , Chaldi although only arrived was very inaffactive , Saldado not convincing enough inaffactive , Townsend very inaffactive and outstandingly inexperienced , Dembele was far from himself inaffactive , Sandro was poor most of his passes found an Arsenal shirt inaffactive , with these guys very poor no wonder Arsenal won forget the Mr nice guy AVB changes must be made wholesale .
POP
There is no 'special relationship' - that was just a term invented during Modric deal. Believing that and slating Levy would be bit naive. Its everyman for himself . We are talkingabout millions - when are some of you going to realise that when we talk about deals about millions theres no mercy & people would be ruthless.

This is why even said Ozil deal done on our back - there is nothing we could have done about it. If Bale wants to finance Bale out of selling Ozil, lets face it - its their player they will send him to the biggest bidder. Remmember even Arsenal got shafted by RM in Higuain deal when they moved the goal posts.

Levy himself has done the same kind of dealings previously. Chelsea have done it time & again and fecked us with Willian. Transfer windows are cut throat business and fans are just pawns in it. Another 2 years down the line, such deals ould be seen as norm...
sydqcb5
I think we are in profit by around 2 million pounds. I cant help but be dissapointed with that.
Paddavis5
First deadline day in history I can actually look back on and say, you know it probably wasn't such a bad thing we didn't add anyone. We already have enough players to get to gel and it was only really the LB position anyone can say we possibly needed to strengthen. Some may say up front as well but I personally think that's a luxury we can deal with later on. As for LB at least it gives Rose a chance to see if he can develop...and hopefully learn to cross a ball if he's going to be attack minded in that position. I was perhaps disappointed with Benny leaving since I don't think he's any worse than Rose defensively and is certainly more productive when he does get forward, but I understand it if AVB wants to make sure all his players have the right attitude to win things. Ultimately, very pleased with the window itself. We've strengthened considerably, particularly in terms of depth and still managed to balance the books so at least AVB isn't under pressure to surpass the goal of getting us CL football next season, plus I daresay he may even be able to spend money in January if things are going to plan.
flipper
POP- avb can't gel anyone at present because most of our players are away on international duty and won't be back until 11th or 12th of this month, our next game being Norwich on the 14th, once he get's to work with them it will be for the better, but it will take a few weeks to find his best X1 and then i feel we will see the full benefit of some excellent players working together. Internationals before the season and 3 games in more of the same.
spu 4 life
How can you say Soldado isn't effective POP? He's not getting any service! When he does get the service, he sticks them away as we saw against Tbilisi. Come on fella, give him a fecking chance.

Spuds-U-Like
sydqcb5 - there is a partnership between Spurs and Real Madrid....
TonyRich
Delighted with our business this window, would have liked another left back however can't be greedy. Our manager is putting faith in rosť and Townsend so this will be their chance for a run in the spurs side especially rose. If rosť can emulate his form with Sunderland last season I will really happy. Still think we have the stronger squad against the goons
Crazyspursfan
Although we have strengthened our squad, I do get the feeling that we have missed the trick in not buying that 'stellar name' like Ozil for example. All we have bought so far is 'potential'. I have no doubt Eriksen and Lamela will be top quality players in the future but we need top quality players NOW.

Perhaps we should have spent £45mill on someone like Ozil instead of £12mill on Eriksen for example?

There is also the question of 'Did we spend wisely?' There is no doubt Solgado is an upgrade on Defoe but what we needed was an upgrade on Ade! I guess only time can tell...
taniban
Basically, last season we signed a lot of players and pretty much failed to get them to gel properly. Only really Vertonghen and Lloris....and to some extent Dembele were successful. Our play was laboured, and ultimately we needed the Bale-out to win matches and earn points. We have done it again....we have signed a truck load, and AVB has to get it going on the pitch. He has no excuse this time. It is HIS team, with his players. For the first time in his career, he is managing a team for a second season. He has completed only his second full season in management. This is the time to prove himself. Cider - as far as I know, Fryers is a left back first... So he is the cover for Rose.
TonyRich
POP Firstly it's ineffective and don't blame fat fingers as you got it wrong 5 times :-P
Also you and many others are somewhat overreacting. We lose one game and its season over!! Last season we had 2 points after 3 games, losing to Newcastle who ended up in a relegation battle, this year we have 6 points after 3 games losing to Arsenal away who finished 4th. In fact last year we lost 5-2 at the Emirate and also the year before that. How AVB sets up his team is to dominate possession, many teams this season will park the bus, especially at WHL. We need a team effort every week to grind out results. By selling Bale we have lost his pace in counter attacking but more importantly his goals from long range. We have replaced him with Erikson and Lamela who will provide and score goals, Soldado who will score if given the chances, Paulinho looks destined to score 10+. Chadli has goals and assist on his CV. Let's not start panicking just yet!

Arsenal signed ÷zil, who is worse than Modric in Madrid's eyes. By playing ÷zil they are likely to drop Rosicky but they have far more problems than we do once we get into the season. They have 14 maybe 15 top players, we have 20+ and over the whole season this will take it's toll, trust me.
United have only brought in Fellani and lost Sir Alex Ferguson and Howard Webb. I have every faith in AVB to achieve top 4 and have a good run in Europe. Hopefully in both domestic cups too.
yiddyboy
TonyRich, may be something on paper - but it is naive to think it has anything to do with transfers. When it comes to transfers its every club for itself. In Modric scenario, Levy simply didnt want to sell inside PL, so he found Madrid to be only club wanting him. So, its something that worked for him. Without partnership, Madrid gave VDV on cheap when they found that they couldnt sell him anywhere when squad no became > 25. We jumped him & got him in 11th hour. Madrid got no concession on Bale from Levy - he had done the negotiations as well as he could and Levy had no say in Ozil to Arse deal as well. Thats how it works. When you are in trouble someone helps thats 'partnership' but that doesnt mean they will always reciprocate the same thing in every single deal.
sydqcb5
taniban - I would rather sign Eriksen for 12m than Ozil for 45. Arsenal got royally ripped off on that one. As great as Ozil is, 45m? Obviously Real madrid have passed on the overpricing of Bale onto Arsenal, so that makes up for us indirectly giving 7m to Arsenal for Bentley's sell-on clause! Basically, Eriksen will get better, and we have potentially got a bargain. He will have sell on value, whilst Arsenal WILL lose money on Ozil. We have our star in Soldado, and Paulinho is a superb signing. We have a few unknown quantities too in Lamela and Chiriches. I think AVB's biggest problem is working out who to put behind Soldado, because after the Arsenal match, it ain't Dembele.
TonyRich
There is no doubt that we have a much stronger squad than last year. The Sunday defeat and the Ozil signing have taken the edge off the optimistic feeling pre-NLD. Though that's probably no bad thing. My main concern is that we needed to sign another top quality striker. Admittedly they appear to be a rare commodity and there is now greater competition across Europe for the good ones. As said earlier an injury to Soldado and we are up against it. In a league where week in week out we will be facing overcrowded imidfields it is imperative to be able to convert chances when they come along. City, Chelsea, and ManU have better striking options than us. Arsenal about the same, but Liverpool are now back as serious competition for us and, in Sturridge and Suarez, are stronger than us. Not to end on a downbeat note, I like the fact that, in buying Ozil, the Arse have indirectly contributed to our spending spree this window.
ParkLaneBB
wow, some super negative posts on here today. First you give them stick when we buy on the last day, this year we still get stick for buying them early. Then you arent happy we 'only' spent £105m when we got roughly the same back. So if this window hasnt made you happy what exactly were they supposed to do for you? realistically of course .......... ah but then thats the problem isnt it. You lot arent realistic. Ok think i answered my own question there. Great business by the club, yet again let down by our own fans. Pathetic.
jimmy-yid
yiddyboy - agreed that results wise, losing to Arsenal away is not unusual, and is hardly points dropped. 6 points from 3 games (2 away) is a great solid start - results-wise. 2 points a game is the 70-80 points a season range. We need to keep that up. However, we do need to start playing some good attacking stuff.
TonyRich
If Soldado sat in restaurant and got the same service in our opening three prem games, he would die of starvation. But against Tbilisi when the ball got produced into the box, from Chadli and Townsend, well you tell me what happened next?
spu 4 life
TR, that's my point. All we have bought is potential and not that 'wow factor'. Also, Solgado in my opinion is not that 'wow factor'. He is a good player but not world-class like Ozil. Solgado in my opinion was also overpriced.

You have also highlighted our 'no 10' issue and that's why I feel buying someone like Ozil to supply to Solgado would have been a better bet on someone like Eriksen who is in all fairness an unknown quality.
taniban
This might be hard on some, our attacking 4 will be Lamela, Chadli, Eriksen, Soldado,
spu 4 life
spu 4 life, you got that right bruv, Townsend has done some good stuff early in the season, but needs to concentrate on doing the team thing rather than trying to be a Bale/Defoe hybrid
PERTH OZSPUR
spot on for Chadli!
SpursWho
Taniban - do you not think that the likes of LAMELA & ERIKSEN can give us more 'wow factor' ? Also, great acquisitions in terms of Paulinho & Capoue. Eriksen an unknown quality - ask Man City if they know about him when he destroyed them in CL. In fact, he has played more CL games than our entire squad probably. Unknown FFS. Give em time to shut you up at least.
Windlespur
taniban - who cares about wow factor? All that does is lose money as you also pay too much for players. Soldado has the same problem as Negredo. They are better than people think. But because the Spanish league is screwed up, they have a cartel of 2 massive teams that ruin it. Those 2 teams have foreign strikers and Soldado/Negredo must play for weaker, less famous sides. This ruins their international chances too. Soldado is a class player. Ozil to me is not a "wow" player, but excellent. Nothing wrong with buying potential - Bale was potential. Eriksen has only 10 less international caps than Ozil btw... so he is more than potential.
TonyRich
I'm really looking forward to seeing how and what ABV does with the squad over the coming months - in some ways this could be more 'transitional' than last season. I'm expecting and hoping that the defence will become more solid - that the centre mid will be powerful and controlling, as it was before we let one in at Arse. Attack-wise I reckon we'll see more overlapping from Rose on the left flank and hope he'll sort his crosses out with time. I also hope we'll see some of Townsend on that side. On the right - Lenny, when he's back should be able to pick out Soldado - Lamela - mouth watering prospect - will he link up better with Walker or Naughton? Townsend for me seemed to look better with Naughton - but that might have been that Tiblisi were ****e. I reckon Defoe will be at it whenever he's played - he's got a good attitude. I wonder wtf will happen with Ade, tho. Such a waste of talent.
DocHotspurs
Cider / Coops, can loan deals be made outside of the transfer window period? Just would like to clear that up..... Thanks. And I do think we had a good TW, now it's up to AVB to gel the team together!!! COYS!!!!! Nice uplifting article, Cider!
Phil-Spurs
if anyone is interested in our profit or loss on our in's and out's here is a accurate listing for your information. So all in all we didn't spend to much and got a fair few of the wage bill while expanding and improving our main squad, all in all a very good window if you ask me. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/tottenham-hotspur/transfers/verein_148.html
Zarjaz
@yiddyboy - lol at having a pop at pop with his spelling, with you all the way.
thenuge
Windlespur, I did say 'only time can tell' on my first post and I did say I have no doubt Lamela and Eriksen will be top quality. I will go on further by saying that I think Lamela will be a lot better than Bale too. But in my opinion what we need is someone who can do that NOW.

TR, We have sold Bale, our crown jewel, our fear factor, our wow factor. Who will take that mantle now? Solgado? I truly believe games are won before games even played and I think we lost SOME of that fear factor.

This is why I care that wow factor is important. I again stress, I have no doubt Lamela, Chadli, Eriksen and Solgado will be great players but do they scare our opponents? At this moment of time, I think the answer is no.
taniban
Has no one realised that when Ade played brilliantly for us in his first season, we had the Modderfocker in the side? With him gone & no proper replacement, Ade struggled last season in a side that weren't creating anywhere near the same number & quality of chances. That lack of creativity is what cost us last season, so with Eriksen & Lamela, I expect the creating of quality chances to rise substantially & if it does, then I can see us getting back the Ade we had when he first arrived.

Spuds-U-Like
I dont know why some want us to run the club in a way that NO other type of business would be run? Balancing the books is good I am v happy with the management and the way the club is being run We have a stronger squad than last year by a mile I wonder if Lamela can play the striker role when called on? Chadli has something about him that reminds me of Tony Galvin and I think Nacer is the type who needs confidence to bring out the best in him. Great window But we have to mould a side and now get results
mattkk
Everyone who isnt convinced of our business needs to take a step back and remove those lillywhite tinted glasses for a second - we may have sold one of the best players in the world, but we've made an absurd amount of money from him, and have a stronger overall squad as a result. I know we didnt have that cuting edge against arsenal but we had such a vast amount of the ball and in the end forced them to flood the pitch with defenders. Once our players understand each others movement the ball will go forwards quicker, and in turn create chances. These lads have known each other for 2 weeks, and even our old boys are playing in a new system - Wenger made the point of changing lots of players at once and he's right, considering how raw we are we did very well against an established squad like Arsenal who understand each other very well.
oi.you.there
Provided he can displace Soldado (not SolGado)!

Spuds-U-Like
Sorry bout the lack of punctuation on previous post
mattkk
Morning all. Iíve not been on here in a few days so allow me to sum up my thoughts. First and foremost the Arsenal game. Well it wasnít the North London derby we are all used to and I thought it was a very cagey game for both teams. The thing that decided the match was they wanted it more. They chased down every ball quicker than we did, fought harder. Passed it quicker, but for all their efforts I actually thought we were the better team for most parts. That arsenal team has played how many matches together?? We have still got to get the system right and everyone on the same wavelength. One thing was clear though, and I hate to say this but Dawson cannot be first choice centre back. He was bloody awful

Transfer wise, if I knew at the start of the window we would have Lamela, Soldado and Eriksen I would have been a very happy man! We have brought some real quality in, Lamela is much more than a prospect guys! He will play a big part this season. I think for the 20 seconds he had against Arsenal showed his touch, vision movement are all there. I was a little bit disappointed that we didnít manage to move ADE on a he clearly has no future with us, I mean heís not even training with the first team. If we could have moved him on and brought in a more dynamic forward yesterday it would have been brilliant. I just think Soldado and defoe are inside the box finishers and we donít really have another option. BA would have been perfect but its very obvious Chelsea are not going to do business with us.
hudderspur
No-one should doubt that we now have a much stronger squad than last year with some excellent looking signings. That's not what we so-called "pessimists" are concerned about. Our rivals have strengthened too so the question is, is there a team in there that can both excite the fans and win games comfortably against the weaker teams? AVB struggled to find a formula last year, and don't give me that record points haul guff, we missed out - Period. Don't forget that had we won the dead final match against Burnley in 09/10 we would have had 73 points, so it is meaningless. He still has it all to prove, but it won't stop me giving 100% support to the players he selects and hopefully these legitimate concerns will be proved baseless.
love totty
Anyway, I'm absolutely delighted with the IN's of the transfer window. Yes, the big OUT (not Huddlestone) is a loss, but that is now resigned to the history of THFC. Moving forward, we have assembled a young impressive squad with enormous potential. IMO, the PL is now more than ever a 6 way fight for supremacy. Every point is crucial and you could see how much that 1 point meant to AVB at the Emirates. The eternal optimist in me believes we will have an fantastic PL season. Expectations are high, but I am confident of a top 4 finish and so is AVB. No reason why we can't make it to Turin as well. COYS
thenuge
Excellent first post Yiddyboy..Agree 100%!
jvd
Willian
PERTH OZSPUR
Agree with hudderspur re Lamela. I didn't give a damn when william went to Chelscum, he didn't exactly set the world alight in russia. but lamella was the one I wanted to see us get, and from the brief cameo the other night, think he's going to produce the goods.
PERTH OZSPUR
We're on the same hymn sheet, Topho.
love totty
Spuds-U-Like interesting point but I would rather consider that ade and walker stopped performing when we changed the manager. I don't think it has to do with the departure of modric.
logos8
i have to say i think it was a GREAT window, hand on heart guys, how many really believed we would spend ALL the welsh fella,s money?.....Levy has done a good job, (when you include the wage bill that surely has gone up..............) what drives me mad during these windows is how can Premier league teams raking in 10,s of millions from tv etc. get away with loaning players from other clubs, WBA must have loads in the bank cos they hardly ever buy (i think they spent £11 million )....the loan system was introduced so lower league teams got some help, was,nt it?.....................rant over lol
micky58
Go for it Ghulamville. A home debut beckons.
Love totty
Arsenal play a system that allows players to slot-in seamlessly without being great players (how many of their team do you rate as individuals?) and that system is very effective. Liverpool under Rogers are doing the same, evidenced by the stat that shows they win more often when their star striker Suarez is not playing. AVB now has to create that with his new squad. Sunday seemed a follow-on from last season in that we had no tempo, no obvious desire to compete and win. OK, there were 4 players new to PL football and 2 rookies so delivering a system was always going to be a challenge, but desire to win has to come from the players and I have to wonder why that was lacking. AVB didn't help matters by selecting Dawson and Dembele who are both liabilities for different reasons but maybe fitness concerns limited his options. The need for a settled pattern of play is urgent since otherwise we will be once again dependent upon individuals eg: Eriksen to be successful. AVB is supposed to be a tactical genius so now he has to justify that label.
Harry-Kari
We have signed some top players make no mistake about that, it's now a case in question of getting these bloody internationals out of the way and watch this side progress, i feel we are on the brink of something very special, it's getting them working as a unit, who would i go with, well in the prem it would be; Lloris easy pick; Walker; Chiriches; Kaboul; Vertonghen; as the back four; Midfield two of Paulinho; Sandro; with capoue out injured; Lamela on the right and Chadli on the left; Eriksen into the hole; with Soldado up top; others will see it different, but that's my take on it.
spu 4 life
The facts are when Spurs lose VS is a festering pig hole. We win by 1 goal and VS is annoyed we didn't score 4. We win by 4 goals and VS goes mental and Spurs will win the league. No wonder the opposition have a field day with us. It's the same posters who will just never be happy. A ? Would u take CL football and a trophy this season over scoring 6 goals with Ade doing his samba dance. I would rather see a professional performance and a point win over anything else. Chelsea just sat back at United and claimed a point and he is regarded as a superior tactician... AVB gives the game a go and has majority possession against one of the best teams in the world at possession and narrowly loses after Dawson lets the whole team down phucking twice in a row. I think people should stick to their day jobs sometimes....
Mix26
Harry-Kari I love your post Harry-Kari but I don't know if AVB can do that. He will be my hero if he can but Liverpool and Arsenal are still big challengers for top4
logos8
That's a fair point too logos, either scenario could be correct - or completely off the wall! :0

Spuds-U-Like
Each to their own view, Mix26. Personally if I am going to spend around 100 hours watching my beloved team this season I want to be entertained. I'm not a Tottenham boy, I could have supported MU like all my chums but 50 years go chose Spurs and stuck by them for the pleasure their style has given me. If I want win at all costs negative rubbish I'd switch to Chelsea and wet myself watching their CL DVD.†No chance - COYS.
Love totty
Mix26 our man of the match was Loris. Doesn't that tell you anything? Yes, we conceded because of rose and dawson, but overall Arsenal had the best chances. Their keeper had a relaxing time out there compared to Lloris. Considering we had 3 midfielders acting defensive that's just not good at all. We needed creativity in midfield but AVB brought Defoe. Not good enough. Bale saved avb's ass last season. Could have been a disaster without bale. AVB still has a lot to prove at this level, so far there have not been too many hints that he is good enough.
logos8
Please forgive me if the article seems a little rushed, i wrote it in between getting ready for work. One point i would like to raise is the opinion that at times the wingers cutting in on their favoured foot narrows the space in midfield. Lamela does not have to start on the right just because he has done so for Roma. He is considered a great dribbler and has a great left foot. We can quite easily place him on LW and Lennon on RW, with Eriksen in the hole behind Soldado. This would seem more like the Spurs we knew when Bale was playing LW. We can still have the option to keep the width if AVB so desires. With the pace of Walker and Rose overlapping the wingers, we could easily revert back to the pacy Spurs we all remember from a couple of seasons ago. Add to this Capoue/Chiriches playing quick balls out to the wing and Paulinho with late runs to the box, hopefully good crosses in will see Soldado, Eriksen and the late arriving Paulinho recieving more service. Options are there it is now down to AVB to implement the most effective ones for the right games.
Cider spurs
AVB proved himself last season, best point tally, most away wins, 4 points off United, all with an inherited side. The likes of Barca and PSG don't come knocking on your door if you are average. In a way this will be a determining season for him as this is now his team, his style of play, so we'll judge at the end season. I trust him to deliver. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
A top 4 finish will not be down to losing games like Sundays game against the top teams. From what I have seen so far all the big guns will take points of each-other. What we need to improve on is not dropping points against teams like Norwich,fulham ect.... that is what has cost us CL football in the last 2 seasons. We will not concede too many goals the way we are set up. Priority is supplying a service our front men deserve, something we struggled with last season which probably made Ade look alot worse then he might have been. Something we cannot afford to do to Soldado this season too. COYS
WestStandEnclosure
For all the doubters on the ability of Eriksen.....Stick my name next to the statement he will be a truly awesome player for Spurs.
Cider spurs
Hope you're right Italian, but you missed the most important stat -5th. It was only a points record because our last match in 09/10 was meaningless as we had already qualified for the CL playing attractive football.
Love totty
ItalianYiddo and Love totty: plus you have the Bale factor. It was a points record but maybe because of Bale, not because of AVB.
logos8
Bale was a massive element, but our best away tally down to AVB. The previous season we had Bale, Modric and VDV and we couldn't get so many points. AVB is a top manager, still young, still learning and I am happy he is still here, he could have gone to more glamorous names a la Bale, he has a "project" here and he will see it through.
ItalianYiddo
Happy with the players brought in overall and time will tell if they succeed and adapt. bit concerned that we still have Ade costing us the earth and no other back up striker other than Defoe. Worse thing about this season is losing Bale simple. Resigned myself to the fac t that we will be more difficult to beat but we will not be so exciting at the moment, as we wasn't last season until Bale got the ball.
WorldPeace
I reckon our signings will gel quickly and AVB will know how to set them up. I thought our last game came too early for us as the team settle in. I knew even a tight 1-0 loss would knock the wind out of our sails a bit, but we still need goals for outfield and let's hope that Lamela and Eriksen live up to their billing. I can't wait to see what happens, but I'm positive we can push beyond 4th with ease.
SPUDMAN
For those who doubt some of the signings Baldini has had input in signing.... Baldini in one transfer window at Madrid bought:- Marcelo at 18 yrs old (current LWB), Higuain at 18 yrs old (top class striker just left RM), Gago at 20 yrs( cost the most of the 3, but maybe not the star like the other 2). He still played 121 games for RM though. Baldini has a pretty good track record of finding and or acquiring talent. He also purchased Michael Bradley for Roma who was consistently Romas best midfielder, even when De Rossi returned from injury. Marquinhos was another signing of Baldinis, awesome first season in Italy, cost £4 million. They bought Marquinhos in July 2012 after only making 6 senior appearances for Corinthians and sold him 1 year later to PSG for £27 million. Not a bad bit of talent spotting.
Cider spurs
Yes, we have lost our best player. We have also made our 18th best player our 25th best player. Doesn't guarantee anything, but then regardless, we were always one of 6 in it for top 4. Lot of season still to go. Lots of players to bed in. Just need to keep the spirit up, heads down and get the job done on the pitch. We have added 7 quality players. We have a very good manager and we have an excellent squad. To judge how this has all panned out before the New Year is naive. I still expect Europe by table position. I am, however, much more optimistic that Europe, next season, will be CL. As ever, time will tell. COYS
peterballb
logos8 that's what Keepers do, they save the ball from going into the net. We have a damn fine keeper who AVB signed ( or was that just down to luck). Did I once say we had the better game? We were beaten by the better team on the day but we lost to a massive def error that would have got us a deserved point. Love Totty whilst I share ur views and of course the quote 'the game is about a glory' but IMO patience is the name of the game here and what u need is to get a team winning and believing they can win. I want the same glory but understand there is a price to pay and unfortunately the fans and the club will need to empty their pockets before we receive some love back.
Mix26
Its a pretty open league this year, no one stands apart including us. ozil good player but he wont rush himself to defend will he? all in all i think it all looks pretty good, given time, so grind out points until it all gels, no team is going to run away and get big lead, man u have not improved with "fellatio" coming in.....so keep the faith
Algarvespur
Ian Bale who was the man that slotted home those 2 penalties better than anyone I've seen in a Spurs shirt? U have no respect for the club, manager or the new signings. Soldado's record commands respect and seeing as ur mother (bless her) made the mistake of not swallowing when she should have Ill be glad to put ur head firmly in the right place.
Mix26
I still reckon we'll be right up there come the end of the season. We've brought some quality players, and when everything gels we'll be one of the strongest in the premiership. The NLD was just a blip and came at the right time, it gives AVB a chance to change things for the better. COYS
JSYSpurs
I'll take 6 points from every 3 games all season Ian Bale, that extrapolates into almost 76 pts (75.9) which would get us 3rd based on last years points/position. Whoohoo! Game on.

Spuds-U-Like
Ian Bale, still too early to call Soldado a flop. I have yet to hear you say anything positive about Spurs. Seriously IB, who the hell do you support?
taniban
I usually ignore Ian Bale for the fu(khead that he obviously is, but for any in doubt, note how in the above post he refers to us as "you" rather than "we" as we'd refer to ourselves.
PERTH OZSPUR
Silly baaaaahhhhstard
PERTH OZSPUR
I'm pretty chuffed and relieved the transfer window is over. We have bought some fantastic players and I for one can't wait to see both Lemela and Eriksen play the full 90 min. Soldado will get the bullets soon and I like Chadli a lot. The first half performance he gave against Arsenal was great to see. I also hope Holtby will get the chance to play in the middle - he deserves it. Drop Dembele to subs bench and with Sandro and Paulinho I think we will see a more balanced midfield. COYS!
James1
That's a well balanced team there tottingham10. Not to defensive with good attacking options.
JSYSpurs
Good line up tottingham10, but would Verts be happy to play LB? He's stated before that it's not his best option, even though when he's been played there he's looked comfortable
PERTH OZSPUR
Tony totally agree about Ozil, they were stiffed at 45m AND he wanted to go to MU so how's that going to sit with him? We brought in players who WANTED to play for us (Willian was clearly a 'bale me out of this/money taker by jumping mid-stream to the chavs & they are welcome to him) AVB has clearly got the players he wanted, so it's now "his" team. Taniban - How are Soldado & Paulinho not the wow factor? And we paid the same for them as the scum did for Ozil and I do not understand why you think we should have bought him? Personally I think he's overated & the only attacking midfielder worth that is Mata. Mark my words Eriksen will be a bargain gem. Finally, the fact that we only spent the Bale money means we have cash for January if we need it and Baldini to spot the right players.
GreavesIsGod
Irritable Bowel Syndrome = IBS = Ian Bale Syndrome.
jacobslad
Why are you being a (unt Ian Bale? What did I say that's prompted your completely unjustified personal attack?

Analyzing the detail of what you wrote to me in response to my tongue in cheek post, I'd suggest that it's you who is dumber than people think &, even for you, that's a helluva deep hole you're in there pal. You're making a sweeping judgement of a player who's only played 3 league games for us so far & had absolutely no service to enable him to do his job. Are you serious with that conclusion or are you just being deliberately argumentative? If you do seriously believe that, it merely shows your complete ignorance of football, so stick to FIFA 14 lad as that's clearly your level.

Word of warning chum, don't enter into a war of words with me son, you'll metaphorically get your balls kicked up & out through your ears.

Spuds-U-Like
Come on everybody, Ian "ahead of the curve" Bale is not a Spurs fan. I've watched Adebayor play at WHL(Spurs home ground Ian) every home game that he's been fortunate to play in and apart from one or two rare moments he's been woeful. Over a hundred grand a week for a player with no first touch, no strength, no heading ability, and most of all no desire. Lets give our squad time to actually play together. Lamela and Eriksen will shine. Coys!
Gazzaron
Spuds just ignore him please, everyone just don't respond. School's back soon.
jacobslad
I take your point jacobs & I mostly ignore him for what he is, but I wasn't going to let the personal stuff towards me go mate. I don't mind him trying to wind me up, but getting personal is a massive no-no. It just shows a level if illiteracy & paucity of thought when someone resorts to personal jibes to bolster a weak opinion in the face of robust counter opinion. So, depending on how I'm feeling at the time, I will occasionally hit back. Today I'm in a punchy mood with a short fuse buddy.

Spuds-U-Like
I feel there are games when it would be a good idea to just play 1 DM. Capoue or Sandro could be paired with Holtby. Holtby has already stated that he ees his best position as deep lying MF, he would offer alot more creativity in attack build up going forward, but he also has the terrier like attributes in getting stuck in regarding tackling. Add Eriksen ahead of this and we have a little more creativity through the centre of the park. Lamela RW cutting inside hopefully linking himself and Eriksen in moves to either set Soldado up or score themselves. All are capable and move the ball alot quicker than those we have seen as of yet. Capoue should be more than enough cover to defence.With great defenders behind him i'm all for the idea of giving Holtby a go in this role. Get a couple of goals lead in an ideal world and then revert to Capoue, Sandro and Paulinho as a MF 3.
Cider spurs
When you go to the pub you don't speak to everyone in the pub. You find your friends, the people you like, and talk with them as you share a drink or two. In the pub there will be other people who you don't know, don't want to talk to or you want to avoid completely because they are complete pillocks. You ignore them and talk with your friends. Moral of the story = treat this forum like a pub.
SpuriousLife
Spurious....I 'll have a Cider mate!..Get em' in.
Cider spurs
It'll be my pleasure Cider.
SpuriousLife
Ian Bale the only person in the world who actually rates Ade. What an iconoclast. Why not afford Soldado the same time and respect and potential as you do Ade, when the team is set up to play to his strengths? And that Jacobslad is my final word on the interloper.
Gazzaron
Ignore mode to full power Captain.

Spuds-U-Like
Ade? Really? Vice Captain? Sure he is the exact role model that would represent THFC. Ozil will be class for Arsenal? Really have u seen him play in the PL? Surely the pace, physicality and size of players would hinder his instant impact? A sheep u say wow just cause I support my club now I'm a sheep? But u are derogative, spitefull and just a plain old (unt so what does that make u? Chelscum fan IMO.
Mix26
Actually Gazza I rate Ade, just not as highly mate. If he'd got the service last seaon he got with Modders in the side the season before, I doubt he would've been so abject. Like Ade, Soldado needs the service & that's what makes the juxtaposition of the 2 within the same opinion baffling.

Spuds-U-Like
I don't question Ades ability (first touch aside LOL). What i do question, the same as many may i add, is his ability to show so little effort in all things football related, on an all too frequent basis. He can be a right handful when he's in the mood and this is the problem, when he's in the mood. This seems to be a biannual event. Even one with such limited knowledge as Master Ian Bale knows this, as his statement has already pointed to the stats 2 years ago as opposed to last season. Ade is the problem not AVB. I would love to see the old Ade back but only if he can perform to his best ability on a more regular basis. Likelihood of this happening?. No comment required.
Cider spurs
Anyone who looks forward to their football team losing etc is no supporter. Ox I think it's about time we learn why this toad is here on VS.
Mix26
Adebayor's seasons only run from November to May. If there's an ACoN tournament then he has a month off in between too. Unfortunately our season runs from August to May. Shame but for £100k per week I'd like him to at least be present and available for 'work' for a whole season. In the 'real world' a member of staff showing such little effort, commitment and enthusiasm would be cleaning the company toilets or on the dole.
SpuriousLife
Quite looking forward to seeing Arse fit all these AMs in. Ex player Stuart Robinson thinks Carzola will be switched to the left, Ozil middle, Walcott right and a striker, well, anywhere. Who's tracking back then?. Oh!, my mistake, they got Flamini and 3 defenders.
Cider spurs
I've had a very satisfying thought. Clearly the market overheated in the last window. Bale's real value was probably only £50m and Ozil's £25m. So basically we made £35m, £20m of which came from Arsenal. LOL. Sorry just had to post it twice.
Love totty
just out of interest. Does anyone know what this "relationship" between Tottenham and Real was/is/does consist of? If anything? or was it all talk to sweeten to Modric move?
Paddavis5
Would have been an almost perfect perfect window if we could have got Contreau and a Striker, whilst getting rid of Ade and Gomez, although something tells me Ade can still have a valuable role to play if he gets focused and patches up whatever his differences are with AVB. Can't complain though as there needs to be a willing buyer in order to sell! In addition, 90% of the deadwood finally gone, Carroll to QPR is potentially a great move for him, as Harry plays the right kind of football and has said that they intend to play through him this season, which will be great experience for him and will benefit us in the future. Benny may be popular with the fans, but I don't see him being missed, as we did not miss him last year without Rose at the club, and for every good performance there have been too many lapses for a 29 year old. Whilst Rose is not the finished article he like Walker has great potential and will of course make mistakes, but needs to be supported, as the youth players need to see that there is a route into the first team if they are prepared to work hard. Now the window is closed it's up to AVB to get the right players into the right system, as top 4 is up for grabs this year with uncertainty/changes at all the leading clubs. My prediction 4th and Europa League!
Paul - THFC Forever
Mix I have been banging on about that for ages regarding ian bale
jljyid
Pad...On the basis of how RM have behaved this window, and reports Levy was p1$$£d off with them and would not respond to calls, and them playing cloak and dagger with Ozil move to Arsenal. I think it would be fair to say that no relationship ever existed. Thank feck, i'd hate to be associated with that mob, they give football a bad name. classless.
Cider spurs
Stonking read here, a very good perspective on Bale, Gareth not the other one:

http://www.thefightingcock.co.uk/2013/09/bale-dont-believe-the-gripe/

Spuds-U-Like
Really looking forward to seeing Chiriches in the Backline. Great at bringing the ball out of defence, good dribbler and has no problem making runs into the oppos final 3rd and unleashing a shot, a la Vertonghen.

Refreshing that PSG tried to hijack the Eriksen deal but he stayed loyal to his word and dismissed them straight away, stating that Spurs are building a side capable of challenging for the title and he wanted to be part of that. Chiriches when boarding his flight to london declared that when he starts a journey he always arrives at his destination. Tongue in cheek swipe at Willian. Always nice to have players who actually want to be at the club and i for one like the boy Eriksen. He was offered loads of wedge to go to PSG, this lad really is all about the football.
Cider spurs
Spuds...Very good read, cheers for posting the link.
Cider spurs
Topho - have you had any info on where Kaboul was on Sunday? The silence is worrying me.
Love totty
It's not just Eriksen that has to carry the load tophobunty, ALL the front line has to be more creative. It's the lack of pace now that worries me, on the counter, but then I suppose with Lennon & Townsend, that shouldn't be much of an issue. I also don't like the heavy reliance on attacking down the right all the time either, we're currently too one dimensional ATM, so hopefully that too will change once Eriksen &/or Lamela come into the side.

Spuds-U-Like
Love Totty - I heard that the Asenal game was "too soon" for Kaboul. I assume they mean fitness although I cant see what that means. Cider - Yes well that is what made me think. They havent half screwed us over, especially with Coentao and the Ozil thing. As well as the poor manner in the way things have been dealt with in relation to Bale. It amazes me how they have managed to get away with it for so long. I have completely lost respect for them and Zidane, the prat. I would just like to peruse the details of the "relationship" though - because apart form Real getting Modric and Bale, I havent seen any other benefit, no friendly (which would be the minimum you would expet with a relationship) and this talk of shared values and coaching methods? I just didnt get it. Smoke and mirrors jumps to mind.
Paddavis5
Love totty...I may be wrong but i think Kabouls knee still swells after games. On this basis i think the staff are being cautious with his return, think they will edge him back a little slower than the full 90 minutes he played earlier in season. Hope he does not end up like Ledley, as Topho rightly states he really is a class above as a CB when 100% fit.
Cider spurs
Spuds, Ade's stats when Modders was in our side are fairly impressive but stats don't tell the real story. A proper striker with that kind of service and VDV and Bale supplying as well should be scoring twenty league goals, easily. The man is on more than a hundred grand a week. That puts him in the top bracket in the world and I think he's nowhere near. I watched him even in his "good" season and think he's very lucky to be on that kind of money. Just my opinion tho.
Gazzaron
Topho..Afternoon mate. Eriksen has a whole lotta weight on his shoulders agreed. Can he handle it?. Give him 2-3 and hell yeah!. He'll do fine. What d'ya reckon to only playing 1 DM at times, either Capoue or Sandro and putting Holtby back deeper?. He'll offer something extra going forward, play will be quicker and creativity may improve. He also gets stuck into the tackle. Eriksen ahead with Lamela RWF, hopefully all interchanging/ linking play around the box to set up Soldado or score themselves. Get a couple of goals, revert to a MF 3 of Sandro, Capoue and Paulinho. What do you think?.
Cider spurs
SSN says we brought in eight players where is the eighth?
WorldPeace
No, you're right Gazza, he should've been more productive, even with those players around him. I was only trying to say that had we been as creative last season as we were when we had those players, Ade's tally, & JD's, would have been higher & then maybe CL would've been nailed on for us.

Spuds-U-Like
WorldPeace...Baldini ;-)
Cider spurs
Are they including Rose, WP?
Love totty
I said in an earlier post, Why can we not revert to Lennon Right and Lamela Left. Keep the width more with both having to use their preferred foot to get past their defender on the wing resulting in natural width. Other commenters out there have stated that Lamela cannot play LW?. This would suprise me greatly considering he is coming with a tag of being a very gifted dribbler. Think this could work well, it's not like we have not played this way before is it?. Some Welsh fella used to play LW back in the day, now what was his name?. AH!! i remember, he was world class.. Cliff Jones.
Cider spurs
Don't know who they perceive the eighth to be. They said we spent most money on eight players.
WorldPeace
No ugly for me. I think the bargain of the summer is going to be Eriksen. He is a fantastic footballer, really smart in his play and he will be a huge player for us. Lamela looks good even when he came on against Arsenal you could see the touch and running. We have put together a very very very strong group. we have all the missing pieces now it's time to re-group, find our best team.
ledgespur
not sure Harry telling Tom Carroll to go run around a bit is the best option for him, think Ajax would have been better.lol
topspur53
Quotes from AVB on Eriksen: "Christian Eriksen is a wonderfully creative player, who is accustomed to playing at a high level in Europe. He showed at Ajax all of his qualities and ability, particularly in terms of flair and creativity with the number of chances and assists he provided to his teammates. He has great ability to pick a pass and is an excellent link-up player." No real doubt there about who AVB thinks will bring the creative force for Soldado. He laso mentions Chadli's ability to play on either flank or through the middle, as well as Lamela's ability on the ball. Yes there have been concerns over our ability to create chances for Soldado in the opening games but once Chadli, Eriksen and Lamela are bedded in, Holtby is match fit and Paulinho has a greater licence to get forward we will be fine. 6pts from 3 games. We're in good shape. COYS
whyteheart
..................................Lloris......................................

Kaboul..............Ciriches............Verts................Rose....

..........................................Paulinho...................................
................................................Dembele....................

............Lamela.....................................................Chadli...

..................................................Eriksen..........................

......................................Soldado......................................



ledgespur
@Top, you are being overly harsh on Chadli mate. Give the guy a chance, from what I have seen so far I am sure he will be a fine player for us.
ledgespur
lennon due back 14th Sept and Capoue due back 28th not so bad.
WorldPeace
ledgespurs-I think as it stands possible team but I think we will see Lennon on the right for his experience once he is fit and Lamela brought in gradually. I think there will be some interchanging between Chadli, Lamela, Townsend and Lennon across that front line. However, ultimately I think Lamela will take Lennons spot and Chadli will make the left side his own or if Lennon ups his game Lamela may take Chadli spot.
WorldPeace
ledgespur, not too bad, but I'd have Sandro where Paulinho is, and paulinho where Dembele is
PERTH OZSPUR
Or maybe Holtby where Dembele is
PERTH OZSPUR
Thinking about what happened over the summer the loss of Bale and the food chain in football and I conclude that to keep the best players you have to be the top club or two or a club with bag loads of money. The biggest and richest clubs have the ultimate advantage like RM.

We are a stepping stone for most players and we have to accept that and even if we become PL champions we still be at the beck and call of RM. Utd with all those trophies and champions lost Ronaldo to RM. We cannot compete with the top PL clubs and that isn't going to change that much until we become the top Pl club and can't see that happening in the near future as Chelsea and City have too much money. So even if we become a top four PL the likelihood is if one of the rich PL clubs come for our players or the PL champions come knocking we will struggle to hold onto our players, hence Berby, carrick to Utd. As said even if we come PL champions then RM will come knocking, it is the food chain and we can do naff all about it.

We do the same to the likes of lesser clubs, once they produce a potential player we go in for them, it must be just as hard for them to lose a potential youngster like bale for 10mil as it is for us to lose a player that has become quality like Bale for 100m no difference.

Football isn't going to change, while it is a business and players are now playing for big money we cannot stop this food chain. Gone are the days where players play for fun and for their team. Now money is involved there is no loyalty, honor or respect and it is about where your club is in the food chain. At the moment RM are probably one of the highest in the food chain will Spurs match them, NO not in my life time I am sure. All PL clubs are at the mercy of RM. If RM came in for a City or chelsea player for 100m and offered 300,000pw to the player they would go and the club wouldn't be able to resist although City and Chelsea will have a stronger hand as they can afford not to sell but if the player really wants to go I am sure they would get their way.

This is the reality of the world of football, I don't like it but I love the game itself.
WorldPeace
Include the BAE article with this, and I can't believe the negativity. Even for this site, I think it's sets a new high, or low, depending on your perspective. We are the third highest spenders in Europe this summer. We've strengthened the squad with some quality/potential, and now have a depth I've never seen here.

We sign a 28 year old and he's too old. We sign 21 year olds and they are too young. We sign foreigners, and we don't let our own young talent get a chance. We have a few positions were our young talent IS getting a chance, and they aren't good enough/not rated. We do our business early, but folks are p**** off because we did nothing yesterday, which is the exact opposite of the usual gripe. People are even *****ed off that we managed to spend 100 million and recoup most or more of it! Incredible!

I sort of expected a few, usual suspects to be on the moan, but not this many.
SpursEagle
Perth, not for me, Dembeles passing for me he gets the nod, paulinho can be the "box to box". I feel we will see the best of Dembele this year when played further up, if he is.
ledgespur
SpursEagel-lol but true
WorldPeace
WP -- Actually, you may be right. Sometimes you just have to laugh or you'd go insane lol
SpursEagle
I hear you ledgespur, and when he's on his game Dembele will do fine. He just seems to be a bit off the pace at the moment. Not sure if he's carrying a niggling injury or what. Thought Holtby looked sharp and busy against Tbilisi, so would like to see how he goes in that role
PERTH OZSPUR
Ledge....Swap Sandro for Paulinho and put Holtby in as opposed to Dembele. Both can tackle, and Holtby will add a little more quickness in the passing from back to front or wings, and he will add more creativity when able to join attacks. We will not need 2 DMs imo in some games and i do notwish to see all of Dembele, Sandro and Capoue on the field together. Unless we are defending a good early lead.
Cider spurs
WP = for long term success you have to build a global fan-base. You do that by being smart commercially which we now seem to be. We then have to catch the imagination of the world by winning. But not just any old winning - winning with style and panache in the Spurs tradition with skilful players who kids want to emulate and have on their shirts.
Love totty
It is amazing how we can go from title contenders to 5th at best in 48 hours.
T.H.F.Chris
great squad. A lot of potential. 1st 11 (433) = lloris, walker, dawson, verts, rose, capoue, pauli, holtby, lamela, lennon, soldado
2ndeleven11
http://whatbaleearns.co.uk
Tottenham Hotcore
2nd 11 (4-2-3-1) freidel, naughton, chircesh, kaboul, fryers, sandro, dembele, townsend, erikson, chadli
2ndeleven11
How would that make you feel as a Spaniard? Over here I'm not too fussed, football clubs are private companies, but haven't Madrid been bailed out by the government a number of times?
Tottenham Hotcore
actually, ade suits a 433 better and soldado suits a 4-2-3-1 better (more service)
2ndeleven11
think holtby and erikson will be key to our season.
2ndeleven11
T.H.F.Chris, I thought we are now on course to be relegated, after all if we repeat our last game for the rest of the season we will end the season on six points
In-spurs-ational
People are being a little too dramatic here. New striker, new LW, Townsend on the right from loan, Rose at LB back from loan, Sandro out, Lennon out, Capoue, Paulinho new, Kaboul still not back fully, Dawson and Vertonghen have both had small injuries, so really, other than Lloris - who is playing great and Dembele and walker - who are both nowhere near where they need to be, we have done fairly well. Ok, we're not scoring, but then that take time with all the new pieces and now that we've added Lamela and Eriksson, it will take even more time. We have conceded 1 goal in 3 games in the PL and none in 2 European games (where we have scored 8). Swansea and Arsenal are both very well coached teams and were relatively stable on the personnel pront. Give it time. When the goals start flowing, teams will have to open up, and when they do, we'll hit them some more. COYS
peterballb
Tottenham Hotcore-bloody hell Bale already earned 62,000 that is madness surely. We have poverty at one end of the spectrum and these riches at the other. I really do wonder how he will do over there. He seems confident and is wanting to learn the language and his family are happy and want to support him but that huge transfer tag and being among all those egos does make you wonder. take Ozil for example:something was missing at RM-his words, with Wenger he knew Arsenal was right, he is appreciated and will be number 1 at Arsenal. These players want to be number 1 even though Bale doesn't come across like that how long will it be before the power goes to his head, it will be difficult to not let that happen as humans we are flawed. he has a juggling act not to be star struck and not to get too big for his boots. Then you have others in the RM team who obviously want to be number 1 what happens if Bale does start to shine how will those player and we know who I am referring to will react to the attention Bale gets, if he shines especially now he is officially the worlds most expensive player. How will Bale cope if a certain player or two feel pushed put and they start to give Bale a hard time.

He has a whole lot of new challenges ahead of him, if he comes through it and makes a success of his time at RM then good on him but it is not going tp be easy.
WorldPeace
Ox - Can we please ban Ian Bale from this site as all he does in try to goad every SPURS supporter. The bloke is unreal....
woodyn17
woodyn17-your right. I pulled him up the other day. he made some good comments about the subject we were talking about but put a line in the post that basically was trying to goad me into reacting, I actually copied the line of words and told him it wouldn't work with me and said 'I'm on his case'. He does it all the time, he deliberately tries to goad people to start a reaction and then when some people do react it turns nasty and abusive. It spoils the site imo. I think the suggestion of having posters name at the top of the post would help because sometimes I start reading then realise it is from him and then I have wasted my time.
WorldPeace
This article is called, "The Good, The Bad & The Ugly". Surely after our transfer window it has been more like "Brewster's Millions". We had about a month to spend all that Bale money before the transfer deadline
In-spurs-ational
woodyn17 (cc Ox) I requested this a while ago, but the powers that be don't agree. We lost one of our best contributer because of him, 'thfan' very bad form!!
SpurInSpain
I know I keep bringing Bale up and I am asking myself why? There is something about this deal that is niggling me and I cannot put my finger on it.

I think it is the realisation of how mad the world of football is and how it reflects life. I have known it for so long but you know the saying it doesn't hit home until it happens in your own back garden.

Tottenham are now the club that have sold the most expensive player. Ok there is some positives from that just look at our squad but the negatives are getting to me, waking me up to the reality of how mad it all is and as I said a reflection of life.

It makes me sad and it is making me look deep within myself about the meaning of life, it is so easy to carry on without questioning these things but this deal and everything that came with it, the media trash, RM antics, Bale refusal to train, contracts broken, now the reality that players can earn stupid amounts of money about 30,000 a day or whatever it is and for what, to play a game.

Then you look at the polarity, a world with many countries where people are starving, recessions, poverty, war and so forth.

I ask myself can I really continue to indulge in this world of football just because I love the game? Does it make me shallow, is it time for me to 'hang my boots up' and invest my time into something that is not so mad? This Bale transfer has rocked me not because we are losing a very good player but because my conscience is getting the better of me.
WorldPeace
SpurInSpain- hello there, I am here, look and you will find.
thfan
I think its about time Coopsie did a nonsense article for the Jan transfer window!!! Its been fecking ages wince we had one!!!
woodyn17
Danger Danger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NUx6P4cQhY
SpurInSpain
If you just stop reading his posts you don't get wound up. In not even convinced he's a Spurs fan.
Tottenham Hotcore
world peace. I know how you feel but I just try to forget about it, the world is a mess but you could dedicate your life to trying to change it and fail. I just choose to do my best for my family, I've got 3 kids who I'm sure will all have a positive effect on society as we're bringing them up properly and that's more than some people do. If everyone just got their own lives under control maybe that would help. I don't know but I know life's short and I just want to make it the best I can with my family. But that's me, selfish if you look at one way? Possibly.
Tottenham Hotcore
Tottenham Hotcore, I don't read his posts (he could be dissing the hell out of me and I wouldn't know. But I do know we lost one of our best contributers because of him and that is not right.
SpurInSpain
Can't believe anyone gets wound up by that particularly sad case, I stopped reading a single word he writes long ago. Hello thfan, hope things are ok.
ItalianYiddo
WorldPeace, we all have to assess these issues in our lifetime. So far as I am concerned, I have no issues supporting THFC. Yes, it sucks to have your best players want to leave, but it's not like we are the number 1 club in the world and our best player doesn't want to remain. We are a top 6 club in the EPL and a top 15 club in Europe. We do not sell to make a profit on players who wish to remain. We sell players who no longer fit the mold or who no longer wish to remain. Either way, it seems a logical (even if unwanted) result. Now, I wholeheartedly agree, the numbers are insane, but when I look at things, I see a club that is run within its means and one where the expectation level and performance level has increased over the ENIC tenure. It is a well-run business and we are much closer to the title than we are to being relegated. To have signed essentially 100M worth of players while essentially breaking even, is absurd, it is also fundamentally admirable. I suspect our wages are also no worse off, and are perhaps lower than last season. We also have yet to spend the 30M extra TV revenue. If every club and country operated under the same priciples, we, as a society, would be much better off. I am proud to support THFC. I cannot fathom how PSG, Monaco, Chelsea, RM, Barca, City justify the monies that they throw out the window. I also cannot fathom how fans of those clubs justify what their clubs spend, given the global situation. Winning is great. Monopoly money championships do nothing to get my head turned. If we can continue to climb the table with the ultimate goal being to win the title and trophies, we should all be very proud. If a stadium can also be built at a cost of 450M without affecting the quality o the product on the pitch, then I am even more impressed. It is refreshing to see our club do things in an incremental, responsible fashion in a world that celebrates instant gratification, irrespective of future costs and consequences. In my mind, there is no moral dilemma in supporting THFC. COYS
peterballb
So ItalianYiddo, what are the thoughts coming from WHL, and of course from you. I hope all is well with you and yours. Not reading posts is a great way to not be annoyed by posters. COYS
peterballb
WorldPeace and all, the worst thing about the Bale transfer for me is that I tried to put myself in his shoes (hard because I've got size 14s, but I gave it a go). The horrible thing was that, given the same situation, I'd probably do exactly what Bale did. I'm not proud of it, but, I've got a wife and kid and that's how I would justify it to myself. It's stupid because what can £300k a week buy you that £100k a week can't - looking at it realistically.
In-spurs-ational
In-spurs-ational, we all would have made the same decision. Fact is, he trebled (if not more) his wages. He is going to one of the most famous sports clubs in the world. Instead of headlining for UA, he will get more being one of the top Adidas faces. He will have CL every year he is there. RM and Barca will win the league every year and be in it for the cups, every year. I don't feel bad that I would do the same. To jump ship to Arsenal or Liverpool or City or even Chelsea seems dirty. A desire to play and headline for ManU, is the dream of many a child growing up playing football. I don't begrudge him it. In fact, I thank him. The monies resulting from his sale have paid to upgrade a number of players in the squad. Normally such improvements would happen over years. We did it in one window. Good luck to him. See you next year in the CL when we walk all over RM. COYS
peterballb
My question is, how do City and Chelea justify their numbers. They pay more in salary than we do (by quite a bit - their average is probably higher than our top earner). City spent over 100M Euros net and Chelsea 67M net. I know they get CL money, but they didn`t exactly clean up at the CL table last season. CL group stages money, plus the new TV money, does not even cover their net spends, let alone their wages. I just cannot see how the numbers can add up. Not as absurd as PSG and Monaco, but absurd nonetheless. COYS
peterballb
Hi Peter, all good this side of the pond, the little one not walking yet but loves kicking the ball, I have him down as a number 9 or a Baresi. I trust that your lady and the boys are all well. Much better atmosphere at WHL for the first two games, the crowd are getting behind AVB and the team. I'm really excited about the coming season, Lamela and Eriksen I rate highly, Chiriches don't know much about but by all accounts an AVB type of central defender. Once the muscle and flair blend we will flourish. My main worry is the left and right back positions.
ItalianYiddo
In-spurs-ational -- I honestly think money took a back seat in his decision. As many have mentioned before, he will not play in a World Cup, or a Euro, so Champions League is the closest he will get to experiencing that (actually, CL is far superior to those tournaments!). I think he wants to play with the best, and be compared with the best. But having said that, I think I would have similar thoughts to you regarding a decision akin to that in my life.

WP -- A man could go mad thinking about the State of the World. So I echo PeterB and Tottenham Hotcore. Work hard, do right by your family and you can be proud of your life. And if Spurs is your vice (as well as a few cold ones of a match day) then that's Utopia -- although you wouldn't think that with all the moaning going on! lol
SpursEagle
I do agree that Spurs is managed well financially and would argue that we're probably punching above our weight if you looked at balance sheets alone. I'm still left wondering though how much of the 7 new players salaries were covered by Gallas, Parker, Hudd, Caulker, Dempsey etc leaving. I'm guessing a big chunk of it was and would be surprised if we're not accumulating profit again based on the increased TV revenues.
muttley
spursinspain, I thought thfan had been positing again?
Tottenham Hotcore
Matt Le Tissier, Southampton Legend or waste of talent........ Unfortunately after his time at The Saint's I think Gareth may have been put off being simply a legend.

I'm gutted, would have loved him to stay two more years, the way we are developing we could really have challenged for the title, even won it. You need players like him to do that, look at RVP, clearly won Utd the league last year. You don't know how well GB will do a Madrid, if he doesn't start great you'll hear lack of pre-season stories and how DL ruined his season by dragging his tottenham heels. That excuse worked for Modric's poor start but Modric didn't come with a Ä100m price tag.
T.H.F.Chris
Ian Bale....wasn't he the guy that thought Bale would turn down RM to go to the 2nd largest club in Manchester?...did anyone go and join the dour revolution?...
shedboy2
peterballb and SpursEagle thanks for your views. Glad I'm not the only one that would have jumped ship. I suppose for us, if we were Spurs players, for us to leave would be a big deal as we choose to support Spurs. The players have no such loyalty. I don't berate them for that, it's just a fact of life
In-spurs-ational
Topho - agree with you about world class kaboul, but not with negativity about Soldado, Chadli etc after only 3 games or 5 including European.
Windlespur
Benteke missed his penalty v goners and was absolute dros in villa next match v Liverpool btw.
Windlespur
Just wondering...did we set a record for most money recouped during a transfer window? has another club ever made £110m in one window...it's not a 'set up' criticism just a thought..
shedboy2
shedboy2, no idea. However it would be interesting to see if man u shipped anyone else out the year they sold Ronaldo
In-spurs-ational
Muttley, I read an interesting article about our profitability? Apparently, that's practically guaranteed because the proceeds from sale of players is shown totally as income while purchases are divided/split by the length of contract the new players sign - so, we should show a healthy profit on the balance sheet next year!
Durbanspur
Durbanspur, if we show a big profit, surely that means a big tax bill to go with it. I'm sure there's more to it than meets the eye with expensive accountants and lawyers thrown in as well
In-spurs-ational
In-spurs-ational- they only made a few mill on top of Ronnie that year...
shedboy2
InSpurs - Maybe DL will be shopping in January as well ;-)
Durbanspur
In-spurs-ational, the year that ManU shipped out Ronaldo they brought in 104M Euros in total (77M Euros net profit). So were`well up there, methinks. According to Transfermarkt, we brought in127M in player sales and spent 121M on players. Some sites have us at a small net spend. Either way, to basically break even while upgrading, at a bare minimum (not including Townsend, Rose, Kaboul) 7 squad players, is phenomenal. We might just scrape through. Oh, and we have not yet touched the new TV money or the money that was reportedly on offer from JL. Unbelievable business. COYS
peterballb
peterballb, it'll only be unbelievable (or un-bale-levy-able as I like to say) if we get that blasted top four spot. However, I tend to think even if we again miss top four (if there's a way to miss it, I'm sure we'll find it) the squad, on paper, looks frightening and I doubt many of us would have said that at the beginning of the window if we were told that Bale was going.
In-spurs-ational
Looking at the poll on the best signing, it brings home the fact that we have done some great business, one great player out, at least six quality players in. All about opinions and we should respect each others but for me putting all your eggs in one basket is a recipe for a real spanish omelette. I voted Lamela even though I think Eriksen will be the first to show his quality.
ItalianYiddo
ItalianYiddo, I think it's obvious whose been our best signing this season. Baldini
In-spurs-ational
Ian bale- please state for the record which team do you support. I think if every vs member replies to every one of his comments with " which team do you support", instead of reacting to his bait, he will shut up pretty quick. A pest
van der haart lane
I never read ian bale posts coz the bloke is a rite PRICK !!!!!!!!! why do some of you answer/reply to this MUG wots the point its a waste of time galway gooner is always welcome.
jc spurs
In-spurs, Baldini can now go on his hols we need him refreshed and recharged for the January window, who knows we might get Bale back on a free, those dumb Madridians managed it with Kaka!!
ItalianYiddo
ItalianYiddo, if Baldini can manage that, then whatever we are paying him is too little
In-spurs-ational
Okay, night all. Thanks for the chat. To quote a member, Come on you Spurs and win win win
In-spurs-ational
I also do not read and therefore do not respond to Ian Bale's post because I honestly do not know what team he supports. Must say it is a bit annoying because I have to take a quick glance at the bottom left of the posts first to screen them. Then again, people like yidpondan, saltyseller etc. ultimately do vacate the premises so to speak, so time will tell.
Madaboutspurs
LOL Inspurational. I am glad so many of you like my 'Win win win" warcry. Also, my 'Happy Days' one. Cheers to all :-))
Madaboutspurs
Topho we all acknowledge that you don't rate Soldado. Can we just accept that and move on. At the mid point of the season you can boast if you're right or eat humble pie as all of his supporters.
jvd
Why not start a poll asking which team that PRI(K supports? think most of you guys know who mean. we need time for all the player to gell. i think it a very good time to be a spurs supprter. everyone is entitled to there own opinion but come on guys lets put all our efforts in supporting who evers on the hollowed turf wearing the badge we love. i think he supports west spam btw
spurs shareholder
Lamela, our new # 11. COYS
CanUkSpur
WorldPeace must be in line for Vital Spurs rookie poster of the year, if there was such an award. Enjoyable reading WP, even though they are all mini essays ;-)
Madaboutspurs
Durban - you are right in that players are classed as intangible assets on a balance sheet. That means that new players are amortised over the length of their contracts whereas you can record the profit from player sales assuming you get more than what you hold them as. I remember a couple of years ago we had the whole squad valued at just over £100m only which seemed like a farce to me. The bit I've never understood is that we don't pay the other club over the length of the players contract. We pay them over 2-3 years with a chunk up front and that surely has to offset a lot of it and reduce the profit. As you can tell I have no clue what I'm talking about but can regurgitate what people have written over the years. Would love to read the article though.
muttley
Last couple of sentence there muttley made me lol.
Madaboutspurs
I am totally up for watching my team attack away from home. We played like the home team at Arsenal, pushing Arsenal deep into their own 18 yard box for most of the game. But when playing a system like this you have to have world class defenders or you get caught on the counter attack time after time, which is exactly what happened on Sunday. For all the team dismantling and rebuilding that has gone on all summer it is breathtakingly disturbing that Michael Dawson is the captain of Tottenham Hotspur football club, and lets be honest both full backs that played on Sunday would not get into the City, United or Chelsea teams. Big money needs to spent in January on two world class wing backs, but with Bale gone who is AVB going to have to sale to raise the cash? Which of course will never be provided by those zero net spend scrooges that run our football club!
pelebro
spurs shareholder- man u...I reckon...
shedboy2
Hi Guys, at the risk of repeating what has been written above (I haven't read all the articles), IF, at the end of last season, someone had said to us, RM are going to pay you 100 euro for a player valued at 45 EURO, we would buy Paulinho, Eriksen, Lamela, Soldado with that cash, offload Bently, Gallas, Parker, Losumore, Thuddlestone, bring in Vlad, Capone, Chadli as well, IMHO, I think all but a few would have said brilliant, take it. // Most of us here are upset cos of the loss to Le Arse on the weekend, admittedly, we were poor in first half, and , well, I thought that was as good as they could get. That's influencing our opinion of the window.// As a professional sports coach, the first thing we teach our pupils in tennis is structure, so that the stroke doesn't break down on the move or under pressure, THEN we start to improve the efficiency and speed of the stroke. As Spurs, we have a young, but (as regards premiership)inexperienced team. I thought our structure against Le Arse was good, hence us bossing possession against them, on their turf. Was our efficiency and speed good, no! that will come as the season goes on and we gel, but the structure was there, just a few individual errors, very unfortunately.// I think with the addition of Eriksen, Lamela, and the emergence of Holtby as a #10, we could see a revitaslisation of Ade. After last season, I am no fan of his, but like Soldado this season, who was supplying balls to him? No one!!! previous season, Modric and VDV supplied him, or those two were putting Bale/Lennon thru to supply him. Result? 17 goals, 10 assists I believe!! He is on the books, like it or not, we need to use him.// all in all, I think we are a club heading in the right direction, we have an ambitious, if naÔve manager(at times), a very talented , young, and versatile squad, great support, WHAT a place to start the future, right now!!// Take it from someone who lives in country where our government officials spend most of the day blaming their inefficiencies by looking at wrongs in the past, over 20 years ago now, IF you spend your journey looking in the rear view mirror the whole time, the moment the road turns, you have a serious problem. LEARN from the past, STAY in the present, PLAN for the future, so that on your journey, when the road to glory comes your way, you're in the right place to TAKE it!!!// COYS
10iscoach
10iscoach-well written. I agree I think the loss to Arsenal is the main culprit, had we won that game a lot of people who be more confident and happy but the problem is too high expectations for some going into that game. Personally I didn't expect us to get anything from the game hope we would but knew it came too soon.

I agree re Ade, I don't like him but we need his experience and we need to see if he can come good. I see the same with Soldado as I did with the strikers last season, no service although Ade did also bring a lot of his problems on himself as well.

When Bale went central Ade game was disturbed as well with Ade being down the wing a lot being sqeezed into a limited space but also Ade didn't work hard enough either, so bit of both. I think if we could give Ade one more chance it may pay off for us.

The manager has a lot of work to be done on the pitch but these guys are professionals and it will improve, the question is will we be able to stay in the mix of things and grind out points while we are working on getting things right. I hope so, last season we did when AVB was implementing his new ideas so don't see why we cannot this season why he gets the lads gelling.

This is a difficult two weeks because of international week but the lads will be back and ready to start the hard work. They need to get to know each other as well as human beings but it will come.
WorldPeace
10iscoach- nice post....Re: learning from the past...daws doesn't suit a high line, we should fix the squad during a window...if we'd bought a LB I don't think there'd be half the concern (so we need at least a LB and GK before next season)...as for Ade if we can get the performance out of him we all know he's capable of he could be huge for us this season....that's down to AVB and what Ade has between his ears...
shedboy2
to answer my own question about money made from selling players...Anzhi just pipped us....but they didn't buy any players!
shedboy2
Spot on 10idcoach. Against Arsenal we played like individuals and it hurt because we have such high expectations. The team needs time to gel. With Vlad, Eriksen and Lamela we now have the extra flair so things are looking up. I just wonder if we are going to be patient enough to allow these players to understand each other's play and AVB's philosophy. I'm thinking we won't see the team play the way they should till the later part of the season. I'm willing to accept that we may not qualify for PL for next season but I have faith and patience in this set-up and I can't wait for it to bare fruit. COYS!
James1
James1, I agree with you that we have to be patient with the new players, but it is a catch22, because if we miss Champions League football again, we could end up losing one or two of our best player next summer( Barcelona will be looking for a goalkeeper and central defender)
SpurInSpain
A question for Spurs fans, have the signings the team made really made them better than Arsenal or any other team above them? There is added depth for sure, but is Soldado better than Giroud? Lamela better than Cazorla? Paulinho better than Wilshere? Eriksen better than Ozil? Chadli better than Walcott? They have a deeper squad than before but no deeper than their competitors and are going to miss having a game changer that all the Top 4 have and that Spurs lost with Bale.
hugh jarse
Fair point tophobunty. I was looking at it from my point of view but I agree, no player took it to Arsenal apart from maybe two exceptions; Chadli in the first half and Townsend which is never good enough to win games. We need at least 4 to 5 outfield players playing well. COYS!
James1
To answer your question 'hugh jarse' is easy, some players maybe not, others yes..... but ALL of them would have to play EVERY single game to get the benefits of having a slightly better player in a season and we ALL know that is not going to happen, not by a long shot. What we DO have is far better rotation and back-up options, Defoe or Bendtner? Ade or Sanogo? Sandro/Sigardsson/Holtby/Lennon or Flamini/Frimpong/Diaby/Miyaichi? We have 4 good centrebacks, you have only 3. The season is LONG and brutal and as we have seen with Podolski, you don't have a decent replacement, whereas with Capoues injury, we had Sandro who could come straight in. Unless Giroud is going to play 2 or 3 games a week without a break and Mertesaker and Koscielny can stay fit for EVERY game, you are going to have problems. Personally I expect us to get nothing from our games against Your lot, Chelsea, Liverpool, Utd and Citeh...if we were to get anything from them it would be a bonus. It is how teams do against the smaller teams as well as beating the top 4 at HOME that will bring success this season. We lost away to Arsenal, no surprise there, losing at home to Villa would bother me a whole lot more.
sukhothai
With the midfield 3 it is obvious that we should be (and will be) playing one DM(Sandro/Capoue, one CM Pauline/Dembele and one CAM Erikssen/Holtby/Siggy, NOT 2 DM and a CM. Everything else will click into place after this and I think this is what we will see. The other teams will have the same problem, Chelsea, City and Arsenal will suffer if they just play attacking midfielders away from hom, Utd will suffer if they just play their CMs. Just as we suffered playing 1 DM and 2 CMs. ALL teams need a DM and a CAM if they want to stay solid and also have a creative edge too. It is all about the balance, and I feel our squad has a better balance than the rest.
sukhothai
Good posts sukhothai.
Guyver
sukhothai-great response not only to large a55, but to many other posters who seem to think that a 1-0 loss at the emptycrates in week 3 is time to fire Levy, Baldini and Boas!
We have finally got our "Fergie/Wenger", this is a long term project not a one hit 'Arry wonder. Patience is the key here.
I'd agree if it was week 33 but it's not.
AVB made many adjustments along the way last season and we ended 1 point off 4th, again many thought we would end up 6th or 7th, give him time to work out the best squad for each game.
Yes we lost Bale, i'm as *****ed as anyone, but if he didn't go but we were not able to bring in the talent that we did would he have had the same year? He would have been a marked man even more so this year and one Adams dirty foul away from a possible long term injury. Yes I know it's what if's, but so is Bale repeating his form from last season.

Let's give AVB the enefit of the doubt, he definately earned it after his first season. Let's see where we are come Christmas. By that time we would have played Chelski, Pool and Yanited at home plus a few key away games. COYS.
miamispur
10iscoach-also spot on with your previous post mate.
miamispur
I didn't even watch deadline day, why bother? We got early business In and managed to add further quality days before the end. Our lads were all familiar with the facilities and cracking on with business while everyone else was chewing their nails. Levy you did well. The partnership with RM will stand as its to do with scouting and youth development. COYS.
SpursOne2
miamispurs, your asking for trouble talking sense!!
ItalianYiddo
Its all about the squad we have assembled over the last 3 transfer windows since AvB took over not just this one, aside from Bale those that needed to be moved on have been with great nouse by Levy. I am not counting Defoe as he still has something in the locker I think and a job to do. Ade will probably move on in January unless he miraculously recovers some form. The additions have been well targeted and
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