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Forget the Quality, Feel the depth.

There is a lot to say for quality and depth of a squad, but have Spurs currently got enough of both?

To his immense credit, Daniel Levy and his team, have once again managed to spend big, yet actually make a profit when we compare sales to purchases, and though so much of that was down to the sale of one man, the facts remain that we added real quality of players, whilst hopefully addressing issues from last season, where we lacked creativity and an ability to break teams down, even with the outstanding match winning performances of Bale.

So far this Premiership season there hasn't been much evidence of that changing. Our lone striker still looks horribly isolated and we have so far lacked that creative spark to utilise our usual possessional and territorial dominance. Fingers crossed that with the new signings of Christian Eriksen and Erik Lamela, and the return of Lewis Holtby, we will at last have the lock-pickers we need to turn promise into results.

The big question is though is how we make best use of these players and how they ideally fit into our starting XI? Will they instantly gel with their team mates or will they take time to settle to the team and the physicality of the Premiership? We know that Holtby is very able to influence games, but is his long term position deeper in the midfield or playing off the front man? For me, we perhaps need to see him deeper as we so desperately need a player with energy and a creative spark in the centre. But at the expense of who and how would we best set the team out? Play him in a three, and who missed out, Paulinho, Sandro, Dembele or the currently injured Capoue?

Of course in attack, we can play Lamela anywhere across the front three/four, but does this mean we miss out Townsend, Lennon, Sigurdsson or Chadli? You assume you can't play more than two, wide, with one or two perhaps being able to compete with Eriksen, or Holtby behind the main striker. As fans we always like to big up the new players, especially those that cost big money or come with big reputations, but is this the season where a player like Holtby can establish himself in the team over others, who we currently assume will be in the side? Watching him against Tblisi last week, he was the best player on the pitch. That may not say much against an opposition that were poor and a home side that was in the main going through the motions, but he has also been highly praised in two U-21 games since returning. Three goals in there starts, is impressive, regardless of the quality of opposition.

What is a real plus is that you don't see any real weak players that a manager has to carry in the squad. Sure there are improvements that could still be made, some still have to settle and others improve with games and confidence, but over all. Question is, do we have enough experience and also depth in numbers to compete both in the Prem and also in Europe? So many loans of the likes of Livermore and Carroll might actually be considered to have weakened us in secondary depth, as we really lack experience in youth, which for all the potential benefits in the mid-long term, may again come back to haunt us in the short.

Perhaps if we get lucky with injuries, we will be fine, but despite the obvious quality in the main squad, can we really afford too many injuries, especially when we have one or two returning from long term injury and someone like Adebayor, who could knuckle down or be banned from the training ground, depending on his mood. On balance, we have upgraded the squad, with the exception of losing Bale. Fingers crossed that Chiriches is a better option than Caulker and the others fit in quickly. What will remain a worry is whether we are still one or two light in numbers, especially as we are lacking players that you feel are instantly ready to step in from the U-21s. Last season we lacked bodies and cover in certain areas. this time I feel we have the quality of cover, but do we have the required number of bodies to cope in all competitions? I suppose we will have to wait and see...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Wednesday September 4 2013

Time: 11:24AM

Your Comments

G'day to all from Down Under :-)
Madaboutspurs
No, we haven't.
chrishove123
stronger squad.... weaker team.
Ian Bale
Fair question Ox, good post too. A I've said before and been castigated over, I think AVB wants players that can play in more than one position. Not square pegs, round holes but adaptable players like Lamela, Eriksen, Capooue, Chiriches who are all multi positional. So I would assume that we are pretty well covered barring really injuries to same type players. Although I thought we could do with better cover for Soldado, not sure we could survive with Daffy and Ade ( depends which Ade turns up). Really strengthened the depth of the squad and should have some spare money for January if necessary.
longtimespur
Don't know how I can add my thoughts to "Buy of summer" when haven't seen half of them kick a ball in anger yet. Bit premature with that poll me thinks. Put it up again come Christmas and then I'll have a better idea. Over half so far for players who, apart from Lamela's few minutes Sunday, haven't played at all.
longtimespur
Lot of talk about 'lock-pickers' but when teams put 6 players in the penalty area there is nothing to pick unless you are Messi. Playing the high-line compresses play and further reduces the available space which demands players that can create their own opportunities just as Bale did last season. Maybe Lamela will be able to do that but Soldado isn't that type of player. I think AVB has to sort out his tactics . Arsenal gave us a lesson on how to do it........attack, score first, sit back and play on the break. The challenge for us is scoring first......or at all.
Harry-Kari
Simples: Lloris Walker, Kaboom, Verts, Rose 2 of Demb, Paul, Capow, Sandro Lennon.Townsend, Eriksons/Holtby, Chadli/Lamela Goaldado/Defoe Like I say, simples!
olliewebb
HariKari.... 2nd best post of the thread there, and possibly day.... its the system that needs changing and this delusional craze for 'lock-pickers' is just another red herring.... you gotta give a little (space) to get a little
Ian Bale
In terms of the midfield 3 IMO it should be Sandro or Capoue holding, Paulinho or Dembele box to box and Eriksen or Holtby as the creative link. Holtby showed he can do that against Tblisi, and while not the strongest opponents, that has no bearing on the vision and skill he showed to create those chances. Up front I'd much prefer to have 1 primarily to cross and one as an inside forward/inverted winger so something like Townsend on the left with Lamela on the right. Soldado's the wrong kind of forward to have playing in front of 2 inverted wingers...you either need someone big and strong to hold the ball or someone who plays a bit deeper who can run past defenders.
flipper
AVB's Porto side played a high line wirh 3 defensive midfielders, two attacking midfielders and one striker. Difference is we have Soldado but Porto had Falcao as the main striker, a completely different striker to Soldado as we know. Falcao can play off the defenders shoulder or come short and use his power and strength to hold the ball the link up play. If they need to hit the long ball he has enough pace to get behind the defender. Also one of his biggest asset is his ability in the air. Dare I say it the only player who comes close is Ade. So my point is if we starve Soldado of any service Spurs is bolloxed. Porto had one player who made the difference. That man is Falcao. COYS!
James1
Kind of agree with you flipper. I said on an earlier post, play 4-2-3-1 with Sandro and Pualinho rotating with Dembele and Capoue. Attacking three rotation of Lamela, Lennon, Townsend, Eriksen, Chaldi, Holtby, Siggy. this will offer defensive cover and powerin midfield while also ofering pace and creativity in attack and should also link the lone striker to the rest of the team. Due to injury and lack of players we have seen Dembele and Siggy being deployed as the central acttacking midfielder but it hasn't really work - yet
Slurms McKenzie
James1 I don't think the players we signed signal a return to the Porto style AVB deployed.Tthe squad we have means we can now play numerous different formations from 4-4-2 to 3-5-2 and everything in between. That makes us unpredictable and far harder to set-up a team against us.
Slurms McKenzie
I'm absolutely terrified. Last time we spent big 70m or so we were *****e (Bentley, Pav, Modric, Bent, Gomes, Gio...) At least we've got more points than this time back then! Looks like we've got real depth and quality, best of both. It'll help challenge on all fronts and will surely pay dividends in the last stretch of the season.
ScottyTooHotspur
Harry-Kari, pretty much nailed it IMO,
coys1717
Slurms McKenzie yes I agree with your point with different formations but against Arsenal it was a 4-3-3 with Dembele at the point of attack? Again Soldado was starved of any ball. If Ade was the striker and on top of his game Spurs would have had different options to play in the striker. COYS!
James1
OX...I posted yesterday that i do not feelwe need 2 DMs if we are to take a challenge to teams. Holtby alongside Capoue or Sandro imo would be a combative MF, ball winning attributes from Capoue or Sandro with the attacking build up play from Holtby ( who is also more than capable of getting stuck into tackles in the middle. Eriksen or Lamela ahead for further creativity. Better still Lamela LWF and Eriksen AM/no.10. Try and secure a lead and then if need be bring on a MF 3 of Capoue, Paulinho and Dembele to offer the ability of seeing the game out and securing the 3 points. Paulinho could be an alternative to Holtby in this role, and yes he does get forward, but as of yet he does not move the ball as quick as Holtby. Worth a look imo.
Cider spurs
i would add that the speed in which it takes to get from defence to an attempt is way of the mark, has been for a long time. Thus, enabling the opposition to pack out the 18 yard box. I wonder if any of the Spurs coaches read these threads.
coys1717
Slurms, gotta say I much prefer the 4-2-3-1 set up the way you said particularly against tough teams where we need that defensive screen with the ability to counter very quickly. Only time I'd change to the 4-3-3 he's trying is against the teams that park the bus so we can keep possession and patiently wait for the gap (with a proper creator of course instead of 2 box to box players).
flipper
*Lamela RWF, not LWF*
Cider spurs
Why doesn't soldado get off his arse and track back ... He is not world class ... He has to put effort on also ... 26 millions reasons in the box striker is not acceptable in the modern game if that is all be can do he will get found out he has to drag defenders out to let our midfield in etc ... We are a stronger team this season ... Levy has done great yet 3 games in fans are griping at his signings thfc is a business he has done tremendous to get in who he has with budget restraints .... Lets wait 15 games before we write the team off!!! I am chuffed with our squad no complaints and glad are stayed he will come good this season
Aussie yiddo
Aussie Yiddo, Soldado was at first but when he did and made intelligent runs back into the box the likes of Sigurdsson, Dembele, Townsend and Paulinho were instead taking long range pot shots and he's since given up and I don't blame the guy. Chadli's also suffering from not having someone he can utilise in the middle that's gonna make quick passes back and forth with him. Once we get Eriksen and Holtby settled behind the striker we'll see more from both those two I'm sure.
flipper
dont want to see Soldado tracking back if i'm honest I want him in the box where he belongs playing 5 across the middle, there should be no need for him to track back, we talk up how much Ade did for the team in terms of linking up play but no-one was in the box to finish anything.
coys1717
There's no problem with the quality of our players, be it the Magnificent Seven or the Incredible Incumbents, we've got ready made class and bubbling potential in every position. Even with Bale leaving there's been a net gain in team and squad quality. I'm not even convinced that there's much of a problem with the tactics, from an effectiveness point of view at least, although aesthetically-speaking they may not be all that we've grown accustomed to. The issue is - and there shouldn't be any surprise at this given the number of new arrivals - players getting used to each other and the roles that they have been given to play within that tactical formation. I fully expect it to take time for the team to gel. I wasn't so much surprised by how we played against Arsenal at the weekend as the lack of passion on our side, and the solidity of the Gooners in defence.
As for fitting all of the players in, that is, of course, impossible. Having strength in depth is not just about being able to run another horse when you've flogged one to death, it's about having various options for differing situations and opponents. I fully expect there to be articles in the weeks and months to come arguing the toss about our best 11 and best formation and for there to be the same level of disagreement on what they are as we always seem capable of arriving at. Exciting times.
darkenvai
Harry kari good post mate, add to that inverted wingers and the space centrally around the box is even more congested.....to me it plays into the oppos hands who want to sit back....think of this problem another way...a team goes down to ten men, what happens? 1 they take off a forward usually, 2 the sit back deeper, 3 you start to use more and more the width of the pitch to pull them out of shape....why does that not happen for us when we play against 11 whi sit back?..........................James1 good point Soldado is a one dimensional CF...play to his strengths or waste your money....
tophobunty
Need a bigger set of balls, we play defence first and attack is second fiddle, countless sideways and backward passes bores me, we have undoubted quality in our squad now so we should be expected to win games but this means we must go out to primarily score lots of goals. I'm sure our centre back rarely break into a sweat with our centre midfielders lying so deep, we must start taking the game to the top teams expecting to win.
sirlordos
James1, AVB didnt play 3 DM's at Porto, he played 1, Fernando, with 2 of 3 playmakers (Belluschi, Moutinho, GuarŪn) playing in front of him.
Guyver
sirlordos, very well said....
tophobunty
"Lockpicker" Has truly arrived in the shape of Eriksen, great link here and well worth a read.I suggest you watch the video that accompanys the article. Treat yourselves, i think it will give you a little bit of reassurance relating to the lack of creativity. Check out the Goalscoring chances created as well. Amazing!. http://hotspurhq.com/2013/09/04/christian-eriksen-of-tottenham-the-danish-genius-video/
Cider spurs
I stand corrected. Not 3 defensive midfielders but you had Fernado as the central midfielder playing a more withdrawn role (Capoue), Belluschi the attacking midfielder (Dembele role) and Paulinho in the Moutinho role. COYS!
James1
http://hotspurhq.com/2013/09/04/christian-eriksen-of-tottenham-the-danish-genius-video/
tophobunty
Sideways and Backward passing, it's called possession; we could just get Dawson to lump it upfield (oh he does that or falls over bringing the ball out) shame we never signed Andy Carroll and Kevin Nolan and play like Wet Spam. Just get these internationals out of the way and all come back fit and well, then AVB can start to work with the new players and the old together, come christmas we will be top of the prem, so i can't see the problem really, as they say at Roma, no need to Pjanic just yet.
spu 4 life
Agreed Darkenvai, it is much more an issue of allowing the talent in the squad to gel together. Chances have been created and we have been wasteful. Dembele is not the creative spark and against Arsenal, I was very disappoined to see him back in a role that he had not looked in the least comfortable against Swansea. Should have been Holtby or Sigurdsson and going forward Eriksen is in the mix. We are a greatly improved squad and I expect the depth will show in the quality we have in options on the bench and in the Cups. It will take time for everyone to understand their roles. 7 new players, Kaboul, Townsend and Rose are essentially new. Patience grasshoppers. 6 points from 3 games and 8 goals in Europa. I think we'll be ok. COYS
peterballb
Spot on Cider; Eriksen the ''lockpicker'' Ade the nose picker
spu 4 life
Good man topho..You on it as well ;-)
Cider spurs
No Eriksen the Norse picker! COYS!
James1
What I like most from the little ive seen of Eriksen, is that he drops off into space and always makes himself available for a pass, something you won't see in a 3min Youtube clip. Currently, there isnt enough passing options for the player on the ball and I think that is 1 of the reasons our play looks so slow and labored.
Guyver
Guyver...Holtby and Eriksen will address this no doubt.
Cider spurs
its all so very well and good to say play this guy and that, but for every addition there has to be an omission.... the predictable clamour for flavour of the week Holtby is cresting I see but if...as seems very likely... Eriksen is used in the 'hole' then who out of Paulinho, Dembele and a fit Sandro do you bench ??.... Lamela at RW so means Lennon (already seemingly deillusioned) is benched along with his tracking back to cover Mr Gungho Walker.... still ultimately leaves team with a striker that is essentially useless unless you set him up in the 6yd box.... maybe shudda got Romario out of retirement in that case, or even Lineker (still looks world-class in the 6yd box to meywayz)..... when alls said and done, its gonna boil down to whether Ade returns or not, to bind all the components together = Top4 or sixth (or worse)
Ian Bale
We need to wait and see, but I reckon 1st team Lloris Walker Kaboul Verts (BAE) Rose Paulinho Sandro Eriksen Lamela Soldado 2nd Freidel Naughton Dawson Chiriches Rose Chadli Siggy Holtby Lennon Defoe Can't be bad eh?
SPUDMAN
I disagree with some of the comments here about us not having strength in depth. We have 'deeper' squad now than we have ever had. Left back aside (which has been debated to death) we now have at least two decent players in every position. Of these 22 players, every single one is a full international with the exceptions of Rose, Fryers, Naughton and Townsend (who is likely to get a cap very soon). Outside this 22, we also have Siggy, Gomes and Ade who are also international players. That makes 25 and we aren't allowed any more in the squad anyway. For a team outside of the Top 4 (for now) to have 22 of 25 of the squad as full internationals is pretty encouraging in my book. Before anyone starts criticising the quality of international football and the fact that caps are meaningless - I get it. But it is at least an indication that they are good quality players and have been recognised as such by others outside of THFC. That leaves the question of who should be in our best XI and, as some have pointed out, this should be horses for courses depending on who we are playing. I would love to see a front four of Soldado, Lamela, Eriksen and Lennon/Towsend/Chadli and I would expect that to be the case at home the majority of the time. However, if we are away at Old Trafford (for example), it seems sensible to bring in Holtby/Dembele/Paulinho/Siggy for one of those four positions to firm things up a bit. But hey - thats what AVB gets paid a ton of money to decide isn't it? If anyone is still sceptical of the quality we now posses, remember Docherty, Ghaly, Ricketts, Dalmat, Bunjevcevic, Nethercott, Acimovic, Caskey...I could go on.
whyteheart
Cider I read your suggestion about playing both Holtby and Eriksen against certain opposition and have to agree. I'd happily concede a little defensive stability for more creativity at times. Thats 3 good CM's sitting on the bench though, ie Sandro, Paulinho Dembele, I can't see AVB doing that somehow...
Guyver
Holtby reminds me a bit of Nick Barmby who loved to link up play and move forward, though Barmby was more of a goalscorer. He was a great busy player for Spurs before he made the stupid mistake of leaving Spurs. COYS!
James1
I think flippers got it...two bodies for each position in CM....as for giving space ie dropping the back line...it's something we should have perhaps done more last year...daws is too slow on the turn and we had electric pace to hit on the counter with two of the leagues best wingers:Bale and Lennon...it was that pace that made teams sit deep against us and allowed Bale to come in and shoot from just outside the box (ie they were too deep)...we no longer have the same qualities in our wingers so imo we've built the team for a pressing game and we're going to make it work....weak link for me is LB...I want Soldado working within the width of the penalty area...
shedboy2
Agree peterballb re Holtby instead of Dembele, said it before the game and after. couldn't believe it when the change wasn't made at half time, even more incredulous when it was and it was Defoe brought on instead of Holtby. He would have been raring to go after his MotM performance against Tbilisi, and would maybe have added the spark,enthusiasm,passion and incisiveness that we were clearly lacking.
PERTH OZSPUR
Ghaly was very decent and only a naive reckless moment ended his Spurs career, and Dalmat was fantastic in that season he played on loan with his searing pace.... and doesnt every team have failed players outta 50-70 players used in any 5yr period, so quoting the likes of Ricketts and Caskey (homegrown at that) is just plain silly ??
Ian Bale
AVB will use Holtby for EL and purely as backup in Prem.... rightly so.
Ian Bale
yes, its a squad game and we have cover everywhere, ok some not as hot as some areas, but its good to have different formations against different teams, what works against one type wont work against others same for home and away games. still think will take maybe 10games grinding out results before it all clicks into place, but it will happen
Algarvespur
....................................Lloris.........................................................Kaboul.......Chiriches...............Verts...................Rose.........................................Sandro.........................Holtby.......................................Lamela...................Eriksen........................Chadli...........................................................Soldado.............................................. Not conventional maybe, but that'd do me for a starting 11
PERTH OZSPUR
We have both depth and quality. At the end of the season our depth should ensure we are still competing on all fronts and imo its better than having just a quality starting line up. I believe we have more depth than arsenal, liverpool and Utd. Starting 11 is probably not too different in quality between the 4, although going forward we are probably weaker than them. Almost all (maybe verts and pauli exempted) will have to prove over the coming 2-3 seasons that they can be considered top class. But all that means is that Spurs can get better and better without needing to spend crazy money on players.
2ndeleven11
There'll be a strong bench. And AVB knows how to use the bench.
ledders77
ooops, that didn't come out as expected
PERTH OZSPUR
Time will tell but if our first 3 games are anything to go by we lack the top class quality in midfield to open a stubborn defense.
MrSpurs
We had a better XI than Arsenal last season, but a weaker squad than them. That is what cost us top four. We ultimately put too much reliance on Bale, and also onto players who could not produce it: Defoe, Dempsey, Siggy. Now, our squad is better. The only reliance we have is on Soldado, but even then if he is missing, we go back to our best option from last season. So we have upgraded. Too early to assess anything really. We have merely played 2 away matches and 1 home match. We haven't seen much of Lamela or anything from Chiriches or Eriksen. Vs Arsenal, we conceded whilst on top, and then the game changed. Dembele does not look like the answer behind Soldado. The positives? 2 points a game, 1 goal conceded in 3. I believe that Paulinho will become our focal point. Next to him will be Capoue/Sandro. In front will be a combo of any of our attackers or Holtby/Eriksen - in various positions. Dembele/Holtby will also fill in for Paulinho from time to time. One thing is for sure, that the role of the guy behind Soldado is to support and supply him. This guy needs to make decoy runs for him. To be another body in the box when a cross comes in. To be a nuisance. Also to chip in with goals from time to time. This is my primary concern. There is little point in buying Soldado for 26m if you do not give him a chance to score besides from the penalty spot.
TonyRich
lol PERTH, couldnt see that formation scoring too many tbh, might concede a few though! Poor Lloris ;)
Guyver
PERTH - you are right...that isn't a conventional 11...
TonyRich
yeah Guyver, but he'd have plenty of cover from the left :)
PERTH OZSPUR
We also need to be a little less harsh on Soldado - despite his fee. It is his first time playing outside Spain. Perhaps Aguero hit the ground running when moving to England, but most foreign strikers take time: Dzeko, Suarez, Giroud.... 3 games only. He is a gem. Just wait and see.
TonyRich
Yeah, If they decide to step back onto the pitch PERTH lol.
Guyver
the illustration below looks confusing but is an amalgom of 4231 and 433...you just drop the AM or DM...brackets are the back up's in the position...

........................................Soldado...................................
............................(ade, defoe,lamela, chadli)....................
....Chadli...........................Eriksen.................Lamela........
(gylfi,Townsend)............(holtby,Gylfi).....(lennon,Townsend)
.................Dembele...........................Paulinho.................
............(holtby,Paulinho)................(capoue,Sandro).........
.........................................Sandro..................................
..................................(capoue, Paulinho).........................
......Rose....................Verts..............Kaboul..............Walker
(Verts,Naughts,Fryers)(vlad)............(Daws)..(naughton,Kaboul)
...........................................lloris...................................
....................................(gomes, Brad)..................................
shedboy2
...and even Aguero got just 12 goals last season....
TonyRich
Http://whatbaleearns.co.uk/ Lucky ******** lol. COYS!
James1
Anyone interested there is a petition for us to cut ties with Real Madrid http://www.change.org/petitions/tottenham-hotspur-football-club-end-the-strategic-partnership-with-real-madrid-2#sign
Mark Morgan
Perth Oz.. agree Holtby should have come on for dembele 2nd half
Block D Spurs
Thanks TonyRich, just realised I forgot Paulinho to the left of Sandro :)
PERTH OZSPUR
Hi Block D. Yeah think we missed a trick there. Dembele just looks a bit off the pace at the moment. Not knocking him, he's class, but something not right with him at the moment.
PERTH OZSPUR
A much better compilation of Eriksen (over 8 min long). I'm so excited to see this boy play! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi5DkSuUmI8 COYS!
James1
Once Capoue is fit again, I can see AVB choosing Paulinho, Sandro and Capoue ahead of Dembele, who has been poor thus far. Hopefully, we'll see Eriksen in the hole who will provide options to Paulinho/Sandro and feed Lamela/Chadli. I have been a fan of Dembele, but he is really struggling with the role required of him this season. Sandro holding, Paulinho box to box and Eriksen the fulcrum is our best bet for mine. On the squad, the left back has little depth and I can see Vertongen playing there in the premiership alot this year if Danny continues to have his lapses like that against Arsenal.
LOS Spurs
Its stating the obvious after the Bale sale, but of the teams fighting for top 4-6, we are now the only ones to be without what I would call a proven "superstar" of the game. Van Persie, Aguero, Suarez, Ozil, Mata - and Spurs?? All successful teams have had at least one world class player, I just cant see where he is at Spurs?
LOS Spurs
LOS Spurs, it'll be Lamela
PERTH OZSPUR
Hell, we might even have two, Lamela and Eriksen
PERTH OZSPUR
I hope your right Perth...alot of pressure on the lad to deliver.
LOS Spurs
How can we assess we haven't seen enough of the players yet. We can assess on paper, and say yes strong squad better depth but football isn't played on paper.

We will know more about the signings at Christmas and we may find it may take longer than that to see the full potential of a player.

I think Coupe looks strong but he needs to keeps his hands to himself otherwise he will pick up a lot of bookings. Sandro will get back to his best. Paulinho is a good buy but needs time to adjust to the pace that will come and then I am certain he will be more creative and score us some goals. Chadli has set the stage alight yet and I think he will be one of those players that will take a season to adapt, he seems to be playing safe not to make any mistakes but not really expressing himself, give him time.

Lamela, Eriksen and Vlad haven't played for us to know you cannot count Lamela few minutes. I would have thought Eriksen is going to be the main creative force but I also think Holtby will be pushing to get some stars and impress. I think we need Lennon back asap to bring some PL experience because although Townsend has done ok he doesn't have the experience of Lennon and I think Lennon is more of a threat with his movement, Townsend a bit one dimensional and a bit greedy at the moment but he is learning his trade. I also think we need to see more of Ade and Defoe again for PL experience. i don't think we should disregard these players that have played in the PL. They should be part of it while the foreign imports find their feet.

Overall I think the job of AVB and the players is to get as many points as possible while they adjust to the PL demands and get to know each other. It is not going to happen overnight so we need to be patient. If we ca stay in the mix by xmas and find the right balance on the pitch and get the players gelling then we will have a good season. However, it could fall apart over the coming weeks if we drop to many points while we are in transition.

I am staying positive that we will see a strong Spurs side hard to beat but probably not play pretty football for a while and probably only score odd goals but expect to have narrow wins from now until xmas and once the team gels and the players adjust we will go on to become a top four team.
WorldPeace
LOS Spurs - I think your right, successful teams have that special player. Utd without RVP would be a different Utd and same with Arsenal with Giroud and now Ozil City have a couple special ones and Liverpool have saurez. However, we may find we have one or even two - Lamela and/or Eriksen
WorldPeace
LOS Spurs, Lloris is a superstar, Sandro was our best player last season until injury and earning rave reviews, Verts will be in every premier league team of the season, Paulinho will have world cup medal next summer and is fast becoming the complete midfielder in the premiership. Lamela has all the potential to be a super star, Soldado just needs the sevice and is a super star. Eriksen would already be a superstart if he was with a more glamorous International team. thats just off the top of my head before we see most of our squad with a premier league season under our belt. I don't think you'll be on here next may bemoaning Spurs lack of "Superstars".

And isn't it strange how all the superstars you list only operate in the attacking end of the field so really we don't have any Youtube / Match of the Day Superstars...
Slurms McKenzie
LOS Spurs- agree with perth but I think we have the best Keeper of the lot...world class..in goal...
shedboy2
i'm lookin forward to finding our best starting XI....when a team of the quality we now have, gel together....truly exciting times!
mountainyid
Well said, Slurms and shedboy, was just thinking of new signings, and concur, I think with the right service/style of play, BoB will be up there with them
PERTH OZSPUR
Los Spurs I suggest you look at my previous post. It's a link to Eriksen. The boy is amazing. COYS!
James1
LOS...Sandro and Capoue both play a different role to Dembele, he's not competing with either of them. When Eriksen's integrated in the team and with Holtby now back to full fitness I'm willing to bet you'll mostly see him rotated with Paulinho and the only time from now you'll see those 2 on the pitch at the same time is through late substitutions or an injury crisis. Everyone will get games but competition will be fierce which is a great atmosphere for the players to work under if they have the right attitude.
flipper
It will take time for the team to gel, as long as there are not too many changes every week. As for those who have doubts about creativity, then think 4-2-3-1 with Capoue and Sandro holding, Lamela, Paulinho and Eriksen as the 3 with Soldado up front. Plenty of creativity, just need the team to gel. Eriksen was the signing I wanted the most, I am delighted we got him. Everyone talks about him as one the best young midfielders, but when I see him, I see shades of Bergkamp. I think he will be immense and with Capoue and Sandro providing the steel, we will be a real handful and we are going to give some teams a thrashing this season.
vicspur
There's a worrying pro Adebayour tendency emerging here. As if he's the answer to any of our problems. If you've seen him play in the flesh he's awful. And that's when he's good...give the new players a chance.
Gazzaron
We will play one of.....Sandro/Capoue...Pauly/Dembele.....Erikson/Holtby this will be our DM...CM..AM....SIMPLES
ledgespur
Wings.....Lennon/Lamela.....Townsend/Chadli. CB.....kABOOM/Vlad....Dawson/Verts........LB..Rose/Verts....RB..Walking Dead/Kaboul
ledgespur
Naughton does not get a place in our first team for me, just yet. He was awful any game I saw him in last year, has no clue how to defend. Re: Inter Millian.
ledgespur
Gazzron i have seen ade play in the flesh at WHL any times since he arrived on loan He isbetter than you say pullig defenders driftig to leftside..headed a few goals as well. His goal at Chelsea (i tihnk) last season was very good...
Block D Spurs
vic Sandro and Capoue might be overly defensive, I expect to see these two rotating for the same position. Paulinho and Dembel as the other deep playing midfielders, Lamela, Chadli, Townsend, Lennon, Eriksen and Holtby as the attacking midfielders and Siggy as utlity man / cover. The great thing about this squad is that AVB has the optio of playing both San dro and Capoue (when fit) if he needs to shut down the oppositions midfield. No matter what way you slice it we have a flexibale and capable squad that can be deployed in various ways given the nature of the team we're playing.
Slurms McKenzie
This is what some other site says about our probable line up. i'd largely agree, except would maybe like to see Kaboul/Chiriches as Right back, Right centre half, and Holtby instead of Dembele. although can't see AVB dropping Walker.
PERTH OZSPUR
oops, forgot link http://www.fanatix.com/news/predicted-tottenham-starting-xi-new-signings-dominate-probable-spurs-team/144692/
PERTH OZSPUR
Of course we must accommodate both Eriksen and Holtby, one for his acknowledged outright quality, and one for the tempo his play generates in his getting about the pitch, tackling, general enthusiasm, and if used properly, his considerable goal threat. The two "established" players most vulnerable, should be Dembele and Sigurdson. Dembele has never reproduced his game changing/winning dominance he showed at Fulham, since his arrival at Spurs, in fact he has been largely ineffective, and rarely apparently, fully fit, and ready. Sigurdson, well is simply Sigurdson, bought on the strength of a good spell at Reading, whilst on loan from Hockenheim, he has never showed the class or quality, or the speed either in thought or action, that we should be looking for in a PL top 4 MF player. Both of these players have failed to fully to live up to expectations.
Frank
There were rumours Dembele has been carrying a hip injury. If true then that would be one if the reasons why is form has dipped since last season. COYS!
James1
Yep agree with all who have suggested who may "become" a superstar, but I was asking the question of who is "proven." Slurms, good call, I concur that Lloris is world class, forgot about him I guess as was thinking of game changers rather than game savers ..given our goal scoring problems, I wonder how he is with his head on attacking corners....
LOS Spurs
James1 has he been called up tot he belgian squad? cause you'd have though these two weeks could have been used to rehabilitate him or indeed the pre-pres-season weeks?
Slurms McKenzie
The two areas that I was surprised we didn't address were striker, where we lack depth or different options, and GKer where I think we are extremely vulnerable. Re. the strikers, we have Soldado who must be No.1 given his background and big fee, but should he get injured, or we decide to play 2 up top at any time, where are the options. Defoe is a similar type to Soldado, so wouldn't be a "change", and then we have the enigma that is Adebayor, obviously not foremost in AVB's thoughts, hence the considerable efforts to unload him in this window. Will we ever get him back, fit, motivated, eager and enthusiastic, and ready to properly contribute to the club, or the team, I doubt it. He seems solely interested in himself, and his pay packet, and not really bothered whether he plays or not. This means our options up front are largely non existent. In goal we have Lloris, an absolutely top quality keeper, backed up by Friedel a 42 year old stopper, who doesn't suit our preferred system, and if he plays, we have either Gomes, the forgotten man, without a game in ages, or the totally inexperienced Archer, as the "bench keeper", neither a prospect to fill us with confidence. We just need to pray that Soldado and Lloris stay fit, our finishing league position may depend on it. These option alternatives are important given that we may well play 60 games this season, and first choice players cant play all of them.
Frank
Gazzron, no awful player goes from Arsenal>Man City>Real Madrid>Tottenham. A good player with a questionable attitude could make that journey though.
Guyver
Vlad looks like he could play anywhere. He could be a sensation at the back for us - breaking out dribbling past 100 players and linking with the likes of Holtby and Eriksen. COYS!
James1
I think Dembele is one of those players who is either perpetually injured, which I doubt, or gets it into his head that he is, which I think is closer to the truth, some players look for excuses. If he is another Darren Anderton or Teemu Tanio then that is unfortunate, but I think a lot of it is in his head.
Frank
Guyver - spot on about Adebayor....he and Benny seemed to be pretty chummy and wouldnt surprise if the two of them were causing problems for AVB behind the scenes....breaking them up like naughty school boys could be part of the reason BAE ended up at QPR...
LOS Spurs
PERTH OZSPUR, I certainly hope not, although I prefer your version. Personally I'd like to see at least 1 winger on his correct crossing side because Rose is absolutely abysmal at crossing and Walker isn't much better. Eriksen should be predominately playing through the middle finding space to do something special not marginalised on the wing. I'd have Eriksen instead of Dembele and Townsend on the left. In an ideal world come January I'd also like Lennon swapped for another right footed winger who can play both left and right with decent crossing and shooting abilities so we're all but guaranteed to be able to field 1 inverted and one natural side winger every game. If we don't have a variety of options to play Soldado in, a guy who only scores from chances made to him in the box, we've absolutely wasted our money on him and we'd have been better to persevere with Ade to drag defenders out of position to make room for the inevitable barrage of long range shooting.
flipper
I agree that we are light in the striker department. Defoe is Defoe so only offers so much. Adebayor is beyond belief and I have no idea what is going on in his head. Does he really think his behaviour is appropriate for a man earning £100k per week? What is for sure is, at the moment, we can't even rely on him to turn up, let alone put in a performance. However, Lamela can play as a striker and, much like Walcott at Arsenal and the Welsh fella who is no longer with us, he regards this as his preferred and most effective role. We might not be perfect but we are a lot stronger than last season. A bit of time on the pitch will yield big rewards on the pitch
SpuriousLife
I hear you Flipper. I think a DM of Sandro and Paulinho, with Holtby, Eriksen and Lamela in front of them interchanging from either side and BoB up top ought to give BoB the service he needs and stop the bottle necking of the final third of the pitch we've seen so far with wingers cutting inside and jamming it all up. Some games though we might be better going with conventional wingers. Just a thought. Hard to fit em all in
PERTH OZSPUR
I think we're all forgetting Harry Kane is also a striker.
Slurms McKenzie
Is it just me or is anyone else missing the nonsense articles. I know the window is now shut but it opens again in about four months...
Slurms McKenzie
most of the Ade 'bad attitude' is rehashed self-reinforced tripe regurgitated by kneejerk fans with cliched thinking... Ade rightly asserted himself over being underpaid by Arse after scoring 25 goals (more than RvP on 3 times as much) and was proven right when Arse gave him a payrise to equate to his team-importance... since then he's been dogged by Media-spawned preconceptions that fans naturally buy into (especially Spurs ones)... be interesting to see what happens with Ade and Spurs this season. .. not very respectful to be made to train in isolation for no reason then to bully him into leaving - I don't think he'll forget that from AVB/Levy in a hurry.
Ian Bale
Dunno Slurms? I've been talking a load of nonsense anyway
PERTH OZSPUR
He's alright Slurms, but not as good as this guy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USL-4MDaxOk
Reason Youtube is an awful way to judge a player..
Guyver
I read somewhere that Chaldi can play behind the striker 'in the hole' and also some stat saying he was about 3rd highest in the prem for creating chances after the first two games. I wonder if he might be the alternative to Eriksen in the no.10 position?
Kes80
I do hope we sign another left back and another striker, hopefully more of a target man. Benteke and Shaw in january and we will not be too far away. Think we could also do with a midfield player than can play the ball a bit quicker. Think Hoddle had a point when his was talking about us on sky the other day. He was surprised we released Thudd. I think that we need a better player than him and if we could roll the clock back the player we really need is Hoddle. I do not think we can judge the team and way we play from Sundays game. But we do struggle to break down teams that park the bus, like the gunners did second half. But with Lamela and Eriksen and maybe Holtby to come into that side, they should provide that. I know we spent a lot of money and we are meant to be a business but apart from Everton we were the only team to make a net profit in the last window. So much for Uncle joe releasing the purse strings. With the players released and sold I do think that our yearly wage bill will be down. I hope the money is being used towards the stadium and more details are made public soon. We need bigger revenue coming in, as not sure who will can flog for mass money now to buy players for next year. I see Newcastle are getting murder for their transfer dealings but we still made a bigger net profit and I was wondering what peeps would want the sales from other players sold in this window and Eriksen and maybe Vlad in and kept Bale or what business we have done.
nothappyharry
Squad numbers published today. No numbers for either Carroll or BAE both on loan at QPR, but No.29 given to Jake Livermore on loan at Hull, does that mean we have a recall clause in his deal.
Frank
PERTH OZSPUR, that's something I'd love to see a bit more, interchange between the 3 attacking midfielders. Thought we were far too rigid in formation against le arse, although I put that down to not having anyone on the pitch capable of some snappy passing.
flipper
Ian Bale...Not very respectful either him hanging around in his homeland having an extended break after the ACON. How much he get paid to behave like this. PLANK!.
Cider spurs
Ian Bale - and I guess you also believe that Ade honestly missed the plane when he came back late from the ACN? And his coming back from the off season unfit? That was media driven rubbish too? Where are all the clubs in for him, as he stated? Surely if he was as talented and professional as you want us all to believe,the guy would have been snapped up as a bargain? Levy must be fuming that he was unable to offload the useless donkey that is Adebayor....
LOS Spurs
Slurms i thought this was a nonsense article, you've only got to read the sheit that IT posts to realise that ;-)
Cider spurs
Also slurms...Lovin the "Superstars" post. Spot on. Remember last year prior to Sandros injury it was mentioned that he was not the best DM in the prem........He was the best in Europe!.
Cider spurs
Flipper, that's why some of us were hoping to see Holtby start instead of Dembele vs Ar$e, but after the break, all three of the aforementioned will be available, so hopefully we'll be a bit sharper and inventive
PERTH OZSPUR
Ian Bale, one thing I'd say, I don't see the point of having Defoe on the bench if Soldado is starting...would much rather have Ade there to provide a different tactical option. The club should have been more subtle about trying to replace him. Not gonna pretend I wouldn't rather him replaced by someone else, but to alienate him without being certain of a replacement was foolish.
flipper
Perth and Cider, its the only thing that keeps me going but it really is a poor substitute. Like eating Tofu and pretending its meat! I like to taste the smile off the animal I'm eating and I've never seen a plant smile, apart from sun-flowers those grinning barstards really bother me...
Slurms McKenzie
flipper he had already alienated himself with his performances and behaviour last season. Cider thats how quickly fans forget. his stats for the first few games showed that he had the most interceptions and successful tackles in all of europe.Tthen he got injured. another player that the international break will help, and good job too considering capoue busted his ankle!
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms, never tried tofu, my chick eats it, and she smiles a lot, but that's probably down to me :)
PERTH OZSPUR
I'll put it this way; we are the slowest fast team I have ever seen. We have so much pace throughout the squad but a system that does nothing to utilize it, at all! Against Arsenal, our only threat came with Dawsons long balls out wide to Chadli, who had the beating of Jenkinson early on before they scored & got numbers behind the ball, & Townsend, who lacked end product on this occasion. When the ball broke free following an Arsenal attack & wound up at the half way line, what did we do? We knocked it back into defensive midfield, then out to the full backs & then, inevitably, back to our center backs. No threat, no pace, no danger. We are the best team in the league with the ball... In our own half. Same as last season; difference being that we don't have Bale anymore. I hope the introduction of either Holtby, Erikson, or both into the midfield three sorts this out, I really do. Also, something that I found funny on Sunday was Souness stating that Arsenals problem was that all three of their midfielders were the same type of player - I think we suffered the same problem. Paulinho may be considered to be a goalscoring midfielder, but he is not a creative midfielder, there is a difference, a big difference.
Mex_yiddo
Slurms it looks like Dembele is in the squad to face Scotland. If Dembele was not fit I'm sure the Spurs medical staff would be on the case. COYS!
James1
Probably Perth, either that or you might want to reduce her Prozac medication...
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms, true, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to make a bad situation worse. It would be far more productive to try and attempt to turn him back into an asset again, either one we can use or one we can sell.
flipper
Slurms, she has to deal with me. I keep her smiling, the prozac keeps her sane
PERTH OZSPUR
James1 looks like Frank's diagnosis of a psychosomatic hip injury might not be too far off the mark. Check out the big brain on Frank... ;-)
Slurms McKenzie
Perth they say it's a thin line between madness and greatness just ask any Spurs fan. On a serious note, your wife has my sympathies, thats one hell of a burden she has to bear (well maybe not that serious)!!!
Slurms McKenzie
Not sure if anybody has posted this link as of yet, but this is a damn good read. I know it can be a hassle typing links in at times but this one i recommend....http://www.spursfanatic.com/blog/christian-eriksen-brings-spurs/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SpursFanatic+%28Spurs+Fanatic%29
Cider spurs
Bottom of the article i have just put a link up for also allows you to link to an in depth article relating to Lamela and his playing style. ;-)
Cider spurs
Slurms, I'll let her know that if i ever marry her :)
PERTH OZSPUR
I believe Huddlestone was sold as a professional courtesy. He was not going to play over any ofSandro, Capoue, Dembele, Paulinho, Holtby, Sigurdsson or Eriksson. I have to also believe we have plans for Tom Carroll. Huddlestone was not forced to leave, but the writing was on the wall for his career, as was the case with Parker.

Frank, striker is not as much of an issue, IMO, as you believe. Chadli and Lamela could both play striker and may even do well in a 4-4-2 playing off of each other or off of Soldado. Defoe is only an impact sub option. Adebayor is not in shape and I do not believe as AVb has any intention of going out of his way to get him there. It's, by my reading, completely up to Adebayor. Earn it, or sit.

Central MF, as I see it will be one of Sandro or Capoue, one of Dembele or Paulinho and one of Eriksen, Holtby or Sigurdsson. Holtby and Sigurdsson also offer cover out wide and deeper while Chadli and Lamela could easily slot in to the middle behind the striker. There are lots of options.

Lastly Frank, on the keeper, I concur 100%. It is a very realconcern that our number 2 is either a player who is past it or one who has been ostracized for the past 2 seasons. Not good options if lloris were to go down. When using a sweeper keeper who comes off his line, collisions are inevitable. Very much worried about our deficits there.

Oh and for Naughton, he is a far better RB than Walker. To judge him playing LB as emergency cover for BAE is perhaps a bit harsh. I thought he did well and while he was directly responsible for one goal against last season, Walker was on the hook for at least 4, playing on his correct side. Naughton is fine, and like Sigurdsson, is around because of hs versatlity. Whether they do it for people here or not is irrelevant. AVB trusts them and let's face it, someone always has to be number 24 and number 25 in a squad. If they are the worst we have (I do not believe they are) we are far better off than we were at this time last season. Jenas, Livermore, Bentley spring to mind. COYS
peterballb
Perth....Your lass is not smiling.....That's wind. ;-)
Cider spurs
Hahahaha Slurms I don't know why but soon as you mentioned Frank Dr Strangelove popped in my head. Could have been worse - Frank Spencer. Sorry Frank all in good jest :) COYS!
James1
Have you noticed how a certain poster knows intimate details of all things Arselike? I wonder if he could actually bring himself to say that he "loves Spurs", and mean it?! To all genuine Spurs fans who like Ade, fair enough get behind him. I do support him when he comes on at the Lane(White Hart Lane, for that special, ahead of the curve, poster) I've just watched him too many times and seen him fail to hold the ball up well, not control a simple ball and lose possession more times than I've seen him do a lot of good. Plus he's on a fortune. He just doesn't do it for me and doesn't score enough goals. Coys!
Gazzaron
flipper.... so you're aversion to Ade being forced to train away from the squad even tho' he hasnt been pulled up for any disciplinary reason, is purely cos AVB didnt have a replacement and nothing to do with the ethics of whether trying to bully a player, any player that takes a coach's fancy to, out of the club ??... if Ade was late from ACN duty then fine him the appropriate amount and move on, just like Rooney was fined for smoking too many fags or a player gets fined for being too overweight in close-season... Ade probably thought it was worth a fine to be in his homeland with the returning team so that his countrymen could enjoy having their only star-player back partying and help bring the country together for a few days at least.... think AVB/Levy tried to play to the crowd too much by targeting Ade this summer, and will now pay the price.
Ian Bale
why do you think we made a late bid for Pato? I think i know the answer to that.
tophobunty
Sounds like a "wind" up to me Cider :) . Night all, have a good one
PERTH OZSPUR
Premier league that is.
Cider spurs
FA Chairman Greg Dyke comments on SSN at present. He has set England a performance goal of winning the 2022 World cup. Now i love my country, but i think a dope test is required for Greg. He's also going to chair a commission to investigate the decline of English players in the league.
Cider spurs
They're looking for solutions to give the National team a better chance in tournaments. Well here's the obvious one again........Winter break.
Cider spurs
oh there'll be a winter-break alright and rightly so.... when the WC's held in Qatar.
Ian Bale
Last season I remember Are being in good scoring positions but not being given the ball. Many times it was passed out wide to Bale instead and he wasted it with a poor shot or lost the ball. Ade is a very good player but to get the best out of him he needs the arm round the shoulder approach which does not seem to be in AVB's tool-kit, at least as far as Ade is concerned which is a shame because I think he would be outstanding with the new talent we have and if the tactics are sorted. The goal against Chelsea was a reminder of the talent that is there if it can be brought into play. Other Spurs' blogs are not so negative about him.
Harry-Kari
Ade is a top class knob...end of story. He has had bad blood at every club.....too much to be just unlucky, or misunderstood. It would be wrong to freeze him out??? but the guy always has issues, he didn't give a flying fack about us back in Jan or Feb. So for me.. I couldn't care less if he trains alone or with the kids or sits his lazy arse on the bench....DON'T GIVE A DAMN....Out of sight out of mind.
ledgespur
If I was on Ade's wages I think I could get by with out a cuddle off manager every week. Maybe he could get paid in hugs instead of pounds?
Slurms McKenzie
@Slurms..LMAO. I would hug him (wearing a body suit of needles)
ledgespur
And the way he refers to himself in the third person, *****es me off. You have rattled a cage here IAN...lol
ledgespur
Hari-Kari... I can see from your 1st post on this thread that you aint 1 of the many sheep that spout the same ole cliches, very good insightful summation of how the coach's tactics and not the players lack of creativity per se, that is the main problem.... I think the cards are already dealt re. this season and we stand only a small chance of Top4 ahead of Arse and now Poo, who both have balanced team's and established playing-patterns with corerct risk/reward ratios and backup-players slotting seamlessly into said system... AVB stands to look very silly indeed if he drops Soldado anytime soon and the team will continue on present course (minus penalties every 2 in 3 games).... Vanity and pride now make it near-impossible to supplant Ade for Soldado, thus denying AVB/Levy the only feasible option..... sure there'll be alot of bigging-up of Lamela and Eriksen in next few wks as the creative salvation.... but to quote Tsun Tsu: every battle is won or lost before its fought.... 6th.
Ian Bale
There is no doubt a lot of work to be done. Bedding in our players is going to take time. The team had to have a revamp as the squad last year was only good enough for 5th IMO. We have to give a little time fellas.
ledgespur
It is ridiculous to suggest that a player can be bullied any more than the team can be bullied. There is a contract in place. Nothing in it suggests that the player will get to play. All it states is here's what you get for the term of the contract and here are the bonuses (if any) that you can attain based on performance. Ask Stipe Pletikosa what he thought of his loan contract. It was, no doubt, suggested that Ade would be best off in fields afar. He no doubt said only if I want to go and only if you pay me out. Spurs, no doubt, said no. So sit he will. Earn his money he will. Honour the contract we will. Three seasons running he has not been in shape to start the season. What a professional!!! He'll either earn a spot (as Dawson did last season) or he won't. The only difference here is that there is no way AVB will go out of his way to accommodate the reintegration of Ade. It's all on him. He'll have to make Spurs bring him back in. He has the talent as stats easily show. Can he be bothered? COYS
peterballb
..... and nice to see you back Ledge, and I won't even mention you-know-wot ;-)
Ian Bale
As I thought. It is unable to say it "loves Spurs". Not a spurs fan. Please ignore its comments. Coys!
Gazzaron
peterball... what are you on about ??.... tis has nothing about Ade demanding a place in the team. it has everthing to do with a club trying to force a player under contract out of the club by forcing him to train alone and away from the rest of the squad when the guy has not done anything wrong.... if he has done wrong then let us know about it, after the appropriate fine levied..... this is a simple case of bullying an employee to leave (type of constructive dismissal)
Ian Bale
How come Holtby is everybody's darling all of a sudden? Sure he shows promise against U21 and weak Georgian opposition, but in the prem games he played last year he got brushed aside like a feather. Let's give him time to develop for God's sake. I know very little about Eriksen and Lamela other than their reputations but again we need to see them being nurtured into our maelstrom of a league. Finally so called lock pickers need others to give them something to work with, creating space with deceptive movement and CMs running beyond the strikers. Precious little of that on show as yet. It's all on AVB's shoulders to find the formula and style to get the best out of what is now only potential.
Love totty
bloody hell Love Totty.... I agree with every word you wrote there.
Ian Bale
He is not remotely fit, again. What he has done has been unprofessional, again. It is also my understanding (wish I could find the article) That he and then BAE were far and away the most disciplined players internally. So, I'll agree. He has done nothing. He did not keep himself in shape. He was not ready for preseason. He is not ready now. He does not follow team rules and expectations. He is our best paid player. He, like Hudd and Parker, was told, you might want to consider employment elsewhere as you willnot be getting many, if any, chances here at Spurs. Spurs went out of thir way to sign him permanently as a reward for a very good loan seaso. How has he repaid Spurs other than to not be in shape and collect his huge wages. In goals/assists per 90 minutes played, this top wage earner last year managed .36 goals/assists per 90 minutes. Only .01 better than Holtby, worse than Carroll, Hudd, Sigurdsson, Dempsey, Defoe and bale and only .03 better than lennon. FOR A STRIKER. Embarrassing and way below any expectation levels. Any professional coming off of such a season would be in the best shape of his life and would be raring to go to prove that he is worth the exorbitant wages he is receiving. Instead, more excuses, still not in shape. Same old, same old. He is under contract. He will get paid. When and if he decides to be professional and earn it, he will get to train with the team. Otherwise, he is nothing but a disruptive force. Personally, the second he was not going to be fit and ready for the Newcastle game last season, I'd have pulled the plug on the deal. said so then. Now, I would not include him in the "team" until he shows that h deserves to be in the "team" and would be an asset to the "team". Until then, he can choke on his wage bill for all I care. COYS
peterballb
I often agree with your observations IB but you could use some lessons in self presentation and basic common courtesy to others. I somehow doubt that your recommendation will help my reputation on here. Shape up lad.
Love totty
Love totty, IMO, the position of lock-picker (ie man in behind Soldado) should be up for grabs between Eriksson, Holtby and Sigurdsson. All three can play on the wing but are much more central players. Dembele was terrible in that role against Swansea and looked a fish out of water again against Arsenal. His passing and scoring statistics have never shown that he is that man. He, along with Paulinho are the box to box players who will eat up space in the MF or distribute wide or forward to start movements. Judging Holtby by Tblisi or U-21 is hardly representative of PL talent. That said, he did play in the squad last season and he is a German U-21 who has kept other superlative players out of their national team. He was also that guy at Schalke where he also added 13 goals in 78 appearances. He is no more slight than Modric was. Competition is a good thing. Let them battle it out. COYS
peterballb
who says he's not in shape ??.... he has been training on his todd everyday so he is doing what he's ordered to do.... he probably won't be match-fit but that may have something to do with the effin coach not providing him with any gametime in Pre-Season at all.... he does not follow team rules and club regulations ?? you know this as fact do you, so how come he's not been fined and the cause of it publicised ??..... all your hot-air about Ade being unreasonably unfit is fiction.... and dont play the stats game, cos we all know that Ade's role when utilised last year was to be Bale's bulldozer and nowt else. I notice you didnt quote his stats from the preceding year tho' on goals & assists (I wonder why)...and he also recently had the matter of a brother dying.... and what is this 'he was not ready for Pre-Season' ?? he joined up with the group but then was told not to train with the others..... what goes around comes around, and AVB/Levy are about to find that out pretty soon indeedy thru the performances of the team.
Ian Bale
Lovely.... if you peruse enough, you'll note that my lack of 'self-presentation' is 99% in retaliation for the abuse I get, simply for having differing views
Ian Bale
Poor you, you little lost lamb. It's everybody else's fault isn't it. You reap what you sow as it says in the good book.
Love totty
Peter - according to Ossie Ardiles, no 10 is Lamela's natural position. Could be him?
Love totty
Love totty as ever it apears agree totally
tophobunty
Peter. Holtby and Siggy can play on the wing? you having a giraffe...you ever watched either try? with your eyes open of course
tophobunty
He was not in shape last season at any point in the year. Only looked to be getting up to speed over the last month of the season. He was, as I recall, kept away from the team because he was not fit and had not been around the team, so they did not want to integrate him, logically. The only training picture I have seen of him all year was one with him sitting in a golf cart. Damn the stats say you. He was the bulldozer. Funny how all of the other less well paid bulldozers managed better stats all doing the same thing. He was given chances. He did not perform. As I have repeated with every manager at the club, managers are hired to be fired. It is their choice entirely who they wish to field, or not field. If AVB believes Adebayor is a detriment to what he is building, he should not play him. VDV saw the writing on the wall. VDV was a pro and did what was in the best interest of his career. Adebayor is so wrapped up in the money that he has lost sight of the game that he gets to enjoy playing. It's up to him. No one else. If AVB has made it clear that he will not factor in his squad, it's pretty silly for Adebayor to remain. There were (it seems) offers for him. He prefers to sit than to play elsewhere. He is within his rights. So is AVB and so are Spurs. COYS
peterballb
Peter tend to agree with you ref Ade, frustrating when he is capable of playing as he did season before last often and the last 2-3 games last season. We might all be crying out for him to start come october though.....unless we can start creating chances inside the box that is.
tophobunty
Love Totty, admittedly Tblisi were weak opposition but the vision and skill Holtby used to set Defoe up for his 1st was sublime while he made it look effortless and would have led to a goal against any defense. He also managed to score a screamer with his unfavoured right foot. I don't think anyone is saying that he should automatically be first choice but if he only gets a chance against weak opposition and then the view is 'ah well, it doesn't count because it was only weak opposition' how the hell is he or any other player not automatically seen as 1st choice ever going to break through? Last season he joined half way through and not once was played behind the striker in a more creative role so I fail to see how you're able to judge him based on that. If some are guilty of over zealousness then you're equally guilty of not giving the guy a chance in what would be a new role for him in our team. Having said that I agree completely with you that whoever gets that role needs more help from others in making space rather than them just dawdling on the ball. Hopefully and probably that's just a case of new players getting to know their team mates and getting an instinct of where they are on the pitch which should lead to a snappier rate of pass and movement.
flipper
Love totty, eventually, that may well be the case. I expect that the design is to have Eriksen and the wingers able to cut in and out behind a striker. The fact we signed Soldado tells me that we are looking at 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-1-1 and not a 4-3-3 where all players across the top must interchange in and out. I think that Townsend, lennon, Chadli and Lamela will be given license to cut inside and Eriksen, Holtby or Sigurdsson will be expected to cut outside. Since Sigurdsson was really the only one last season to show that he would cut outside to cover Bale's inside cuts, I presume he could do so again. Just because you are a central player des not mean you cannot cut out in to space, whether on the right, or on the left. very few players have the discipline to do this. I believe, atm, Sigurdsson, Holtby and Eriksen can do this. None are wingers. All can cut out o keep the width and shape f the team as required. The time for Lamela or Chadli may well come as number 10's. Just no the now. I believe both to be supremely talented players, COYS
peterballb
Good article from Ossie Ardiles on the OS site. Talking about our new Argentinian Lamela.
longtimespur
Wrapped up in money Ade, really !! he donates large amounts of his wages to African children who are starving or in need of serious medical treatment, Ade aint a bling man, he is a man of charity !! Im not a massive fan of him, but i see a lot of people bashing him about goals to games ratios last year and his poor effort, the service to him was terrible and i mean bad last year !! when modric and VDV were there he showed what he is all about !! I like AVB but he still baffles me every other week with his subs or team selection, personally i think he got it massively wrong against Arsenal, Holtby should of started in the hole and the fact it was so blatant at half time and yet he did nothing puzzled me !! Anyway lets hope we get a win next home game and more importantly get the balance right. Also Kyle Walker would not even get in my sunday team, quick strong but with a pea brain, lets put Kaboul there and have Chriches and Verts there, Chriches is going to be a top signing !!
LOcE1980
Ian yes you were correct he left, not to were you said though...so we will call it 50-50 ;-)
ledgespur
the way AVB plays his teams, whether its a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 is quite irrelevant, as by the time we enter the final third its a case of 2-7-0 (zero being Loldado).... yo have to open up he space BEFORE engaging the final third and that something he patently lacks the intelligence, courage and judgement to do.... the way AVB plays, the only solution is to go direct to a big tall bloke in the box (or just outside) and get to the 2nd-phase of the play, in such a congested area by then.
Ian Bale
Ossie Ardiles bigging up an Argentinian player now at Spurs.... I'm staggered..... dont remember our wager being as specific as to where Bale would land, I think I simply said that he had played his last game for Spurs... but I shall bow to your take on matters ;-)
Ian Bale
Flip - I have not judged him for all time only on the evidence so far. I'm challenging the view that he is ready now. It's not for me or you to "give him a chance" that's what AVB gets paid to judge when, and then we'll judge his judgement. That's the way it works. :)
Love totty
LOcE1980. AVB baffles you? He got us our highest points tally with a squad that was devoid of its playmakers th season before? He had to fit new (avergae) players into the system. This year he has got a higher calibre of player, for me I have no question on the mans ability and he will get it running like we have never seen before.

Yes, the service last year was poor but ADE for me is/was not committed.
ledgespur
@Ian Bale...That ain't the way his Porto team line up or played. It played like we are shaping up, very attacking with a front 3 (not including Mid) of scoring and interchanging. The players he has brought in prove that, no?
ledgespur
Some useless info about eric lamela - just watched one of his u-tube clips which showed 11 of his goals...of which 7 was scored with his left foot, only 1 with his right foot (a tap in, by the way) and 3 headers. Ericksen on the other hand, scores goals with either foot on a 50/50 basis. This boy is going to be a revelation, esp. with his accuracy from dead ball situations. But the real gem for me is lamela, he is going to be massive for us. Lighting fast, tricky,elegant,superb ball skills, glides past defenders as if they weren't there, great passing, shooting,heading and assists. Might take a few games to settle in but quite capable of becoming a white hart lane legend in a very short time.
neymar
Love your blind faith, Ledge, but the last year stat that mattered was 5th and failure. No excuses this year with his squad. He has to get it right.
Love totty
So we have a supply line and goal getters in........Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli, Paulinho, Lennon, Dembele (if played in advanced role) The only reason we didn't finish even higher last season was Sandros injury...fact. Dembele had to sit, when he didn't (when Sandro was fit) he was fantastic. I expect him to burst into form when he is played again in the role he likes.
ledgespur
And Andros (sorry Big C)
ledgespur
ledge the only reason we didnt finish higher last season is that we didnt get more points...FACT
tophobunty
And Topho, because we had guys like Thudd, Dawson,Siggy, Dempsey and Parker playing too many games
Guyver
@Top, well there is that too ;) but Sandros injury was a big blow, we had zero cover for DM.
ledgespur
Our strongest starting 11....

............................Soldado............................
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Chads/Towns.......Eriksen.................Lamela
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.............Sandro...................Paulinho............
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Verts..........Vlad.............Kabs...........Walker
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..........................LLoris................................
Yidmarks
Sorry Ledge - but Scotty did an ok job replacing Sandro defensively. The problem was creativity; not something Sandro is over-endowed with. Nor Scotty obviously.
Love totty
Sandro's injury IMO stopped us getting 6th or lower.... the guy is a plain simple destroyer that gives away so many needless fouls and seriously slows up the flow of the passing... he started well in his 1st season then figured he could score cheap brownie pts off the heaving masses by just being a thug and since then has just played to the gallery.
Ian Bale
Are they allowed to run about a bit, Yidmarks, or just stand like that?
Love totty
On regard to the Ade talk. I'm told that him and AVB have had a recent sit down. I believe he will join back up with the first team soon. I hate Harry but his management style worked for Ade. I think Harry always put an arm around him and knew when to put the boot in and when to wrap him in cotton wool. I'm not sure AVB has that in him. Although he did seem to forge a closer relationship with Bale last year. Without buying another striker we need to utilise Ade. I hate to say it but I think he would have been more of a handful to the Scums backline than Soldado was. He can still make things happen out of nothing. I also think he could be a better bet if we keep the one up top. But you do not know what you get from him. We need the Ade that played against Chelsea away. We need to get the best out of him.
nothappyharry
Best squad for 50 years for both quality and quantity. All we need is belief. In 1960 Danny believed that we could get the 'impossible' double and we did. If AVB can instill a belief in our players then we will succeed. I am convinced that if we can add drive, passion and belief to the undoubted quality that we have we will succeed. My god we have waited long enough. Surely this will be our year! MEHSTG, COYS!
ElySpur
.... and there you go again... even when you acknowledge his worth, its always with a 'I hate to say it' or similar.... I'd be very surprised if any Premiership footballer capable of reading English do not go on forums like this just to gauge fan-perceptions of themselves... now I wonder how motivated Ade would be to 'die in a ditch' for the shirt, after weeks, months of hearing insults, abuse and at best some begrudging praise for him ??.... rehabilitation needs to work both ways here.
Ian Bale
Ian B, I do share some of your concerns but regarding the 6th place prediction, although I can see why that may appear to be the case right now, I think we have to wait, probably until late November given the nuisance of the WC qualifiers, to see how AVB is developing (or not) the squad. On paper we have some exciting prospects...can they turn into a consistent, winning team? only time will tell. I hope so. The problem with this site is that if you dare to offer an opinion that raises doubts about players, systems, managers or Levy you tend to be crusified and told to go and support someone else. It's an IQ problem really.
Harry-Kari
*crucified*...deduct 1 IQ point.
Harry-Kari
Sandros injury stopped Dembele doing his job as Parker was not doing his imo. Parker was great the season before, but Sandro is an upgrade and Parker was awful for most of last season. Sandro and Mousa were working great together. Parker and Dembele were bad together and I dont blame Dembele.
ledgespur
Guyver, i do agree mate, most of them played way to often last season. Ledge yes Sandro's injury last season was huge and it had a negative impact on Dembele. Lets not forget Kaboul being out for so long and he is lights out better than Dawson when fit.. Love Totty, yes Parker really did ok under the circumstances...Nothappy all good points ref Ade...
tophobunty
I don't see AVB developing the team at all, as I think he's now painted himself into a corner regarding Soldado... politicaolly its gonna be very tough for him to drop Soldado for Adebayor. if Eriksen is used, then it essentially becomes the ubiquitous 4-2-3-1 where the wide attackers directly need to defend their FBs more then in a 4-3-3, and I simply cannot see Lamela doing that nearly as well as Lennon... Lamela could replace Soldado perhaps instead of Ade which allows Lennon back to RW, but can he play in such a demanding role as a rookie in that position, in a physically punishing league ??.... too many negative pointing variables to suggest Top4 ahead of Arse and Poo now.
Ian Bale
Ian, Too early to give-up yet. Looking at the youTube videos of Lamela and Eriksen it may well be that they create the chaos in the penalty area which Soldado will thrive on,. but we just don't know yet. I remember reading an article about Spurs supporters years ago when Klinsmann played for us for the first time. The journalist was in the stands and Spurs scored an early goal....too soon, too soon..the fans said as if they knew the gods would punish us for having the temerity to take the lead rather than having the confidence to expect us to go on and win. Those of us who have supported the team for many years have it in our DNA to be cautious about predicting success, usually correctly, but there is scope for optimism this season, I just don't go with the "It's a forgone solution" that we will attain CL qualification. Let's wait a bit and see. Work has to be done, players don't just magically gel, the manager has to show them how and forge a winning formula/formulae. In theory AVB should already have had the blueprint and bought players to fit it. My fear is that the current method, left over from last season, doesn't work without a Bale, but maybe I'm wrong and with the new, better players it will be a great success or AVB will adapt to suit the new talents. I just hope we have the greatest season since '60/'61.
Harry-Kari
Reason Holtby didn't play against Arsenal is because he didn't have much of a pre-season, being at the Euro Under-21 tourney and then picking up an injury. He scored again on Tuesday for the under-21's, so that's three goals in his three games to get him PL fit. He just wasn't ready. Lamela had a full pre-season, so I guess AVB figured he was less of a risk.

Love Totty -- Come on, man. What's all this about excuses? If you think it's an excuse to be realistic about SEVEN signings (not to mention two returned loanees getting their chance) needing some time to bed in, then that's entirely up to you. I'm more than happy to give this team time to gel. That's not making excuses, or having blind faith. That's being patient ... and before you start ranting about the patience of Spurs fans waiting since '61 to win the title, I know all about that, but that has nothing to do with this particular squad.

Expecting, or demanding instant success from this squad is unrealistic. All our signings will have good days and bad days. We are going to drop points from now to Christmas, no doubt about that. Lets just hope they don't drop too many! COYS
SpursEagle
never say never, but we can only go by our own instincts and analysis to date... ultimately, does AVB have the guts to open up space by not compressing it so much, and can the advantages overcome the natural inefficiencies of playing 2 inverted wingers squeezing play further (a gift to parked buses) and having a non-athletic striker being marked by both CBs who refuses/cannot make runs to drag defenders away for others to capitalise with (like Ade can) ... and enough to get Top4??.... possibly yes, probably no.... Arry wudda done it, Rodgers IS doing it and Wenger has always done it... outta the 3, I'd say we were in 3rd spot with far too many issues to resolve.... but I admire your optimism (and I may yet join you there, if certain decisions are made by AVB early enough)
Ian Bale
we don't want to give space now....we have a back line that can play high (except Daws) we have mids who can dominate...and we have just bought our creatives....now is not the time to change...and the stick dembele is getting is unfsir...he's doing the defensive work of 3 whilst alo trying to get up (in turn with Pauli) to support Soldado....get chadli tracking back more and rose positioned for losing possesion and dembele will start to shine again...
shedboy2
Shed, I too hope to see Dembele with the shackles off. Maybe then we'll see the player we know he can be
SpursEagle
Wow - soo many writing us off already over the last few articles and even using the loan of BAE ( good player, but inconsistent and a liability) to attack avb. We have yet to see half of our new boys and the others early days and bedding in, so relax. We have brought real quality and a balance of strength ( Paulinho, Capoue, Chiriches) and creative potential ( eriksen, lamela) and those with proven track records ( Soldado). Of course it is hard and impossible to replace the most expensive player in the world, but we have greater strength and a better squad. Also, players such as Lloris, Holtby and Townsend have had more game time and will be better this year. YES, the lack of creativity and goals in the first few games is not ideal, but just think, we have conceded one goal ( from defensive sloppiness) in five games. Don't remember a spurs team with that type of record for a while. Our strength can be seen by the fact that having lost Capoue, we simply bring in sandro or even Holtby. A few weak positions, but we are much stronger collectively than last year. Hopefully Lamela or Eriksen ( or both) will make up for the individual flair we have lost in Bale. No need for such negativity - yet at least.
Windlespur
Hi guys, reading what is said above, I just want to use a phrase I wrote on another thread: LEARN from the past, STAY in the present, PLAN for the future. I think most posters on here would agree that Spurs looked their best 3/4 years ago when both Modric and VDV were playing. Modric played the deep lying playmaker, VDV the 10. All our strikers were scoring, Ade looked brilliant, 17 goals, 10 assists, Bale/Lennon were lethal wingers, cos of 2 playmakers. BOTH have moved on. How can we learn from that? Wingers and strikers both thrive on service, without which, they basically starve. At the start of last season, we were relying on Dembele/Sigs/Dempsey as playmakers, with Bale/Lennon as wingers. for a while, with the 2 wingers, we provided decent service for our strikers, and Defoe was on everyones lips with his goals. He gets injured, Ade still unfit, Bale gets moved, Sigs/Demsey on the wing. Our whole structure falls apart, Bale starts playing thru the middle. in the meantime, service to the strikers dries up, as the whole front line is playing out of position. ade has to go pick up balls on the left wing cos Sigs/Demps too slow, Bale playing deep in the middle, Lennon has no one to cross to cos Ade on left wing, so passes back to Walker, who loses possession trying to fulfill his hero complex, everything just kinda falls apart. Sandro gets injured so Dembele plays deeper, we lose attacking midfielder, so Ade has to hold ball up instead of having a team mate close to him. Parker starts ballet lessons on the field and plays laterally the whole time, cos no Luka to take ball forward, winger get frustrated cos of no quick service, AND SO On AND SO ON. Everything degenerates. Newspapers get on Ade case, he loses his confidence and starts thinking that despite his best efforts, nothing he does is good enuf, so he stops trying thru lack of confidence. Only bright light is Bale, who engineers genius at times. In the meantime, the whole team structure has gone to pot, and no one has any confidence. OKAY, how do we learn from this. IMO opinion, the two playmakers need to be addressed. Firstly, we buy players based on performances. Why play someone out of position, and then expect them to produce the goods we bought them for? Have we learnt nothing from last season? Holtby said his preferred position is deep lying playmaker, and if anyone has watched him in the Euros, in that position he was a genius, Alla Modric. He has the ability to carry the ball forward from deep, bring teammates into play, pick a pass, and generally create. was I the only one who thought he pulled the strings and controlled the game against Tbilisi, I doubt it. He played box to box, created, scored, tackled back like Parker 2 years ago, he was the whole package. we looked a different team when 1 man was played in his preferred position, the reason we bought him in the first place! Wingers were effective, striker got on board. Ask Mr Experience, Defoe what he thought of The game, betcha he enjoyed it! Enter Eriksen, if the reports are even close to accurate, we have our new VDV, a player of vision and creativity, WITH the physical ability to play 90 min, and some speed. Suddenly with 2 creative players in the team, our wingers are brought into play as wingers, able to challenge full backs again. we start to play forward, cos we have some intelligence in the middle of the park, and at some speed. Our strikers(whoever starts) is able to be in the box, cos he isn't covering for slow wingers, knowing he can make intelligent runs cos our attacking middies are drawing other defenders, and he isn't marked out of the game. Our goal tally increases, our confidence rises. our striker starts to play in the channels next to the central defenders, knowing there are 4 possible ways of receiving the ball, Holtby, Eriksen, plus 2 wingers. Opposing teams cant just park the bus, knowing that they need to cover at least 5 players now, not just a striker, cos creativity is everywhere. they have to man mark more players, creating space. Adebayor, nearly goes into cardiac arrest in surprise of being able to play as a striker once again, and he gets service so that he can score again, not like the desert of the previous season. Soldado and Defoe both start scoring, and hate each other intensely, as they both want to start, knowing they will get chances to score. The rivalry is sorted out at the world cup, as they both get selected for their respective countries. LEARN from the past, STAY in the present, PLAN for the future. Sorry for the short story guys, lol. COYS
10iscoach
Also, assume we have funds if and when needed to further strengthen in January.
Windlespur
Found myself attempting to pick a 1st 11 today, and changed my mind so many times! lol It'll obviously help when we've seen a lot of the new signings, with proper game time under their belts ... but I get the feeling that this Spurs squad will split opinions like no other. Gotta love that!
SpursEagle
........................................Lloris........................................

Walker....................Kaboul..........Verts.................Rose......

........................................Capoue....................................

...................................................Paulinho........................

............Lamela................................................Chadli........

....................................Eriksen.........................................

..................................................Soldado..........................

ledgespur
BOOM!!!! Lucky to get TOP 6 my Arse......CL here we come!
ledgespur
10iscoach -- First up, just to help the readability of your future posts, you can split them into separate paragraphs by typing <><> with 'br' inside them. Make sure you have the r though, as the site will go all bold and you'll have every poster here accusing you of breaking the site! lol

I agree with some of your points. As regards last season, we just have to accept that injuries will happen, so playing lads out of position is going to happen at stages. However, I think AVB has attempted to address this with the players he's brought in. One goes out (Like Capoue) in steps Sandro!

I watched Holtby with German u-21's and it seemed to me he played in the attacking midfield role, rather than the deep lying one. Although, as that was the Spain game, and they were chasing it, maybe he was asked to push up. He looked pretty good, I have to say.

Finally, I enjoyed your short story! lol
SpursEagle
ledgespur -- lol! How many different team selections is that now? I've lost count, mate
SpursEagle
SpursEagle.....I like my rotation. ;-)
ledgespur
coach is your youngest student/player 43?
tophobunty
Continue to play the high line with Michael Dawson away from home to your peril AVB...
pelebro
I can see that Ledge! I wonder if the Spurs players come on here to see if they are in your latest team?
SpursEagle
Windlespur, 10iscoach, SpursEagle and Ledge-top posts (sorry if i've missed any others).
Patience is the key, many at the beginning of last season thought that AVB would flop, which he didn't albeit with the help of some little known Welsh lad ;)
Give the team and the coaches some time, as stated on another article give them until Christmas which will have seen us play some key away games and also Chelski, Yanited and Pool at home. Our position at that time will be a good indication of whether we miss the Welsh lad or we have moved on. A 1-0 away loss to Ar5e after the 3rd game is not time to run a warm bath with razorblades at the ready. COYS
miamispur
spot on Pelebro
tophobunty
miamispur -- lol Great last line in your post. And again, I agree that this squad has to have some leeway to develop as a team, whatever options are chosen for any given games.
SpursEagle
Pelebro -- I wouldn't go that far ... he wouldn't be my first choice, but Daws is good man to have in the squad, and doesn't always play badly (those are just the games that are highlighted and remembered, it seems). On another note, it's really good to see you posting about non-Levy/Enic stuff. Well done, mate
SpursEagle
Firstly, thanks SpursEagle, never knew how to paragraph.

Based on the essay above my team selection works slightly differently to ledgespur. I play Paulinho as my holding Midfielder, to cover the back four, with Holtby playing box to box role, although they can and will interchange naturally, creating a good balance of creativity, aggression, tackling ability, work ethic. a lefty and a righty as well. in the hole, I play eriksen, who can drop deeper to combine with Holtby and Paulinho, and provide the link to the striker(Soldado/Defoe), and the two wingers. My choices are rw Lennon/Townsend, lw Lamela/Chadli. wingers can and should swop wings, as it is too easy to defend if all they do is cut in onto preferred foot.

IMO opinion going defensive with 2 holding midfielders is too much at the start of the game. away from home in the cups over 2 legs maybe, but in the premiership, no way. let the defenders earn their money!!! in Verts(leader), Kaboul and Chiriches, we have class defenders, unfort Dawson gets exposed too often to be included with them, although he is the heart and soul of the team.

The full backs need to learn the acronism KISS, Keep It Simple Stupid, especially Walker. He has a hero complex, always makes it complicated, always striving for the hero ball, seldom delivering, often giving away possession in dangerous areas. He needs to learn his role, defend first, attack second. Cant we employ Charlie to teach him the art of RB? Rose needs time, games for experience, he at least seems to have a brain. With these two tho, ATM, our wingers are gonna have to backtrack quite a bit to assist in defense.

my team therefore: Lloris; Walker, Kaboul, Verts, Rose; Paulinho, Holtby; Lennon, Eriksen, Lamela: Soldado. bench: ancient(gk), Chiriches, Capone, Sandro, Townsend, Chadli, Defoe/Ade.
10iscoach
Both Dembele and Sandro look like they have lost 50% of their drive and energy. I pray Sandro is the player he was before the terrible injury and Dembele gets his energy back, which he is clearly missing. Paulinho and Capoue have looked by far the best 2 CM's this season, but we have lost one of them already in such freaky circumstances just like Bale injury in the Europa last season. We would never have gone out to Basel with Bale playing! And now Capoue is out and Lennon as well. A strong squad is essential of course, but you need luck as well. The teams that win titles and trophy's seem to always have luck with injuries. There is an under current of bad luck at Spurs, has been for a long time... Time for a THFC spiritual cleansing. Bring your Rosewater to the Lane my yids...
pelebro
Forgive us father, if Joe Lewis has sinned..
pelebro
Coach -- That's a good, attacking team, that could be used for certain games. However, I do think that resembles the famous 5 that Ossie deployed, bless him. I can see Holtby, Lennon, Eriksen, Lamela and Soldado pouring forward, with Walker and Paulinho unable to contain themselves and ... Nuts! Caught on the break!

I'd definitely go with Sandro or Capoue, two players who will be disciplined in their DM role. Why play Paulinho there when his natural instincts are to play between both boxes.

It's also interesting that Dembele doesn't even make your bench.
SpursEagle
And so this is it for nearly 2 weeks, just hypothetical bickering until the Norwich game and the season starts properly. I heard international breaks.
Tottenham Hotcore
lol Pelebro
SpursEagle
Eagle, I will consider Dembele once he has had an op on his hip, just seems to be missing something atm. the beauty of our squad is that we can have Paulinho, Sandro or Capone as defensive mid, but I am allowing for the injuries to Sandro and Capone. any of those three can start, I just personally like the interchangability of Paulinho and Holtby as box to box midfielders, both very combative, although neither as combative as Beast and Capone on defense.

Depending on who we play, we have soo much versatility in the midfield, pretty much everyone will have differing opinions on starters. some matches we need 2 box to box, some 1 more defensive, 1 box to box, some 2 defensive, with just Eriksen.

The beauty of the squad with depth, versatility, no one assured of starting, everyone competing hard, hopefully that includes a motivated Ade, cos I believe the strikers are going to get good service. Him on form, we are a different team. in a 4-3-3, if he's on form I go Lamela, Soldado, Adebayor, defenders are gonna struggle with that, specially if they move around!!!
10iscoach
Coach -- Well said. I was thinking today how hard it is to pick a first 11, even the subs! I'm glad I'm not alone in that. And I agree, it's great to have these options
SpursEagle
Eagle - I've said in other posts that I don't expect us to be anything other than a top 4 challenger this year. But what I really want is for AVB to show that he is capable of producing fast flowing exciting football that's worth watching. I can forgive missing out on trophies because I'm a Spurs fan after all, but I want to be entertained in my 100 hours of watching.
Love totty
10iscoach, are you advocating the players to run around a bit :)
In-spurs-ational
Top 4 challenger can be construed as fifth, and missing out by a point? Or failure?

To get what you want, you may have no choice but to wait. It's just a possible reality that these players will need time. Has it ever occurred to you that the need for Tottenham to "Entertain" first has been a major factor in our lack of success? Winning should come first, entertainment a bonus. There are one or two exceptions, but a vast majority of successful teams have this mentality. It does seem to be the road to success.
SpursEagle
Each to their own view, Eagle. Top 4 was in our grasp last year with Arsenal and Chelski so poor. This year will be harder and we will do well to be fifth, great if better than that. AVB's style so far means we can mix it with the big boys head to head but if I have to watch such negative garbage against the likes of Norwich and Fulham I'll die of either frustration or boredom.
Love totty
Love totty -- I certainly don't want you dying of frustration or boredom. lol And I do agree that top 4 is going to be a harder task this year. Look, I hope I'm wrong and our new signings hit the ground running. I'd be very happy if you came on here asking where that idiot Eagle is, with his "give them time!" BS!

My take on it is that AVB wants to instill the winning mentality first and foremost. Changing our mentality under Harry resulted in some less than entertaining games last year, you are right about that. I can see the same happening again this season as he attempts to drill this mentality into this new look squad. However, I do feel we are better equipped to win games by greater margins, and to "entertain" -- but it's gonna take a little time (sorry to mention that again!) lol
SpursEagle
In-spurs, I am advocating that the players show some intelligent energy, and yes show some intent and run around a bit. being a new team, on sunday the performance was sooo flat and boring, until Sandro showed some intent. everyone was focussed on the team structure, which I advocate strongly, but they forgot to play. Structure will become instinctive over time, allowing for expression and creativity.

Personally, I would like AVB to learn 1 thing from Harry, allow players to express themselves, and play for the reason they were bought. We cant allow ourselves to become so structurally rigid that we stifle all thought of individual expression. Thats called communism!!! Being a young, inexperienced coach, AVB feels he needs to prove/express himself, and might stick to formula instead of experimentation, his way, no other. in saying that, he did allow Bale to express himself, look how he developed. I go back to last season, where we bossed games, but seldom put teams away convincingly, formula ahead of expression, unlike the top teams that have been doing it for years. A hybrid of his coaching skills and tactical acumen, with Harrys ability to get best out of players, aka expression, and Spurs are flying, IMO, the next unstoppable force in the premiership.
10iscoach
I'll be honest, this Spurs team doesnt scare like they should. The days of your speedy wide men (Bale and Lennon) were beyond frightening for me. I think Townsend is a gem though.
ForeverUnited
I think we will see the best of chadli and Soldado as soon as Eriksen comes into the team.A midfield of sandro-Paulinho; Lamela-Eriksen-Chadli; Soldado is going to be scary
T0P-FOUR
10iscoach, I like your short story. You should email it to AVB.
Madaboutspurs
Same could be said about you guys this year FU. Time will tell, eh? Whatever happens its shaping up to be a cracking season
SpursEagle
Totty I will be at the Norwich game next week like I was last year when i did nearly die of both boredom and frustration soon after the boredom and frustration of the WBA home game. i am with you, we need to play football much more pleasing on the eye than so far under AVB if we are to fail to get top4 this year...this year will be much tougher than last to get top4
tophobunty
ledge....Like the look of your team. Only 3 i feel may get changed at times to start matchesis.....Chiriches for Kaboul,.....Capoue for Sandro,....Holtby for Paulinho....Alot seem to bang on about Holtby having to be in a creative role so they jump on the no.10/AM position. Holtby himself has stated that he sees himself more as a deep lying playmaker, and we've not too many of them. I'm still championing for Holtby AND Eriksen to start some games. I feel are build up play will be alot quicker with Holtby furher back. Eriksen tends to drift left as an AM, leaving room for the likes of Holtby to move forward and slot into the playmaking role further forward if required. Eriksen drifting left will also see him involve Chadli a little more which hopefully will reap benefits. Short passes and not long croosses are what AVB is setting up for in and around the attacking area. Eriksen, Lamela, Holtby and i suspect Chadli will be perfect for this type of gameplan.
Cider spurs
topho....It appears my shout for Pato earlier in the window was not too wide of the mark. ;-)
Cider spurs
Apologies 10isCoach...........Just read your Loooooonnnng post. Totally agree, and have stated before many times. Holtby deep lying playmaker with EITHER Sandro or Capoue alongside. It will offer so much more fluidity and creativity to our gameplay. People will say we can't spend all that money on Paulinho and bench him. Why not?. There will be plenty of games when Paulinhos style of play will be required, the same for most of our squad, but i cannnot get away from the thought of how well Holtby keeps the ball moving, moves to find space to recieve again, scores and tackles. Modric was not high in the goals or assist columns when at Spurs, we loved him because he kept the ball moving and dictated the flow of the game. Holtby is the closest we have to this and i feel if he was given a run in this position would flourish and improve the whole teams quickness of gameplay.
Cider spurs
Personally I think that we will see a different paulinho after eriksen plays in the same team. Lets not forget that Paulinho has basically been playing behind the striker, that's not his position and he is not a goal scorer! He will be crucial in our team as one of 2 deeper midfielders and we will find that out. Eriksen/Lamela/Townsend are the creative ones, Paulinho firstly will break up play and get the ball to the creative players.
DBspurs
Cider, Pato looked like he was going to be very good, then he got wrapped up in stardom and WAGS...looks like he is back on track, IMO we should have snapped him aup and around 15 mill euro might have done it, so we must have bid low as well as late. I think it also tells another story, the the management team understood late on after the season started that we were light up front.....i think we are...possibly very and now rely on a change of game plan or Ade to really step up between here and january...
tophobunty
spot on DB
tophobunty
I do also agee Cider that Holtby centrally deep laying could start moves more quickly going forward, a deeper Paulinho might well do that also
tophobunty
Nothing would please me more to see Ade back in the fold and performing. I think some things are more important to him than football but that's not always a bad thing. He supports SAS Childrens Villages and so do I, so he'll do for me.
Love totty
Totty would love him to be a spurs supporter too..no doubt a focussed and up for it Ade is a real handful...
tophobunty
Totty would love him to be a spurs supporter too..no doubt a focussed and up for it Ade is a real handful...
tophobunty
Stronger team and squad imo. Of course that is just my feeling but itís clear we have highlighted and more than addressed the areas we needed to sort out. Itís down to the lads and gaffer now. The teams job is to train hard and work together, as AVB has said before kick-off that we need time to work with this squad before we can mount a challenge, some will get the message instantly others will need work. Thatís just football. AVB has his eyes on more than one competition so Iím not sure why you ask how will they fit into the squad? This isnít about having 2 separate teams, first team and youngsters like we saw under Harry at times, this is about having the ability to swap a player here and there in your strongest squad without hindering it, in fact looking to find a way to improve it. And we are more than covered to do that at this stage, maybe I should give the lads time to actually prove themselves as well, which we all need to do, but yeah itís looking really good. COYS.
SpursOne2
Morning guys, will try to be brief, but like World Peace, find it difficult.
Cider, you and I seem to think along similar lines re tactics and structure. You and I both see Holtby as a key going forward. Sure he will have his bad moments, make some bad decisions, but he will improve, he will become more consistent, I think the team structure needs to be based on the deep lying playmaker principal, we have 2, Holtby and Pauli, Holtby gets the nod atm cos he has had 1 yrs more exp in the prem. think of the top teams, they ALL have a deep lying playmaker.RM=Alonso, Barca=Chavi, Utd=Carrick.
The catch 22 players in the squad to me at the moment are Chadli and Townsend. Whilest Townsend has looked a real threat going forward, I think he is trying to do tooooo much to prove himself. With him having a positionally frail Walker behind him, there is just no cohesion on our RHS IMO. Lennon seemed to understand Walker's inabilities better, and as a combo they looked more sound. Lennon will also get better service should Erikson and Holtby play. Townsend has the greater attacking threat, and will be immense once he can pick up Soldado's intelligent runs, but at the moment, Lennon has the better team sense.
Chadli IMO has a wonderful first touch, but after that, seems a little lost as to what to do. so far his best contribution seems to be as a lefty defensive mid, back tackling when Rose has moved up to play as a winger. He is new I know, but feel he is better suited to a more central position, similar to Sigs, but an upgrade. Lamela could be the man to play wide left, or Townsend IMO.
All will get the opportunity to play this season, at least we don't have to cringe at the thought of what's coming off the bench, we have a serious squad, Central defenders through to strikers, with lots of versatility and talent. only areas we need to be wary of are full backs , and keeper cover. Anyone want to teach Gomes to catch a ball, he can block them?
10iscoach
3-6-1/3-2-4-1

Lloris; Kaboul, Chiriches (sp), Verts; Sandro, Capoue; Lemala, Paulinho, Eriksen, Townsend/Chadli; Soldado.

Ok so if we're lucky there's only English player there, however that's a template & others can be rotated in, Walker for instance is suspect at times in defence, so with an advanced role & cover can play to his strengths. The above "defensive 5" are all known for their love & strength in going forward in a burst of attack, therefore that would leave adequate cover if possession is lost.

Against "lesser Teams" only 1 CDM is required allowing for another attacker, be it a midfielder or striker.

Neither Walker or Rose fill me with confidence in a defensive aspect. Kaboul at RB & Verts at LB would give me a greater sense of security, but niether prefer being out of a central role. Therefore that's the reason I suggest the formation systems above. Anyway I know that once the international break is over, our heavily skilled Squad will not take long to gel, once that's achieved, the kind of performance we saw vs Arsenal will be a distant memory & we'll be competative to the level we should be with our great Squad! COYS
TSS' Gone Mobile
The irritant and Ade apologist failed to respond to my challenge to assert that he "loves Spurs". It seems know more about Arsen*l's wage structure of four years ago than is healthy for a Spurs fan. Why? Because it is from the dark side. . Why else would it slag off Soldado so soon? Please don't engage with it. I will say no more on the subject. But Ox please watch its input.
Gazzaron
Fu@#ing lock-pickers!!! Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Lesser teams? Not in the premiership.. Any team can win on the day. I wouldn't start with just 3 at the back either. Walker, Rose, Townsend will all be in the team a lot this season as well, and its fortunate we have some English talent. More quality will come through our youth system. Fortunately we have the option to practice different formations - i just wouldn't use the above ones! COYS.
SpursOne2
SpursOne2 mate I think you misunderstood what I wrote, I said "lesser Teams", not lesser Teams. I know all too well how competative the EPL is, it's what makes it so great. Too many people like to belittle other Teams, now whilst I don't agree they're lesser, if we are to genuinely compete then we need a winning mentality, one that's genuine & not just talk. There are games where we will require different players, obviously, as for only 3 at the back, well with Sandro & or Capoue covering it means that it's not 3, it's either 4 or 5 protecting Lloris.
TSS' Gone Mobile
TSS - Fair enough matey. I always think itís strange when people say that thatís all so yeah ok, my bad. Big league and we have to fight for every point. I like our defensive beasts but still think with the flying wing backs pushing up when on form we will have enough attack power. Never liked the idea of starting with 3 at the back, for me itís a gung ho tactic in the later stages of the game, and still a gamble imo. COYS.
SpursOne2
With two footballing CB's in Vlad and Vert it's going to add another dimension to our football. No longer the 60 yard raking ball to Chadli and co (though it's good to mix things up). Imagine Vlad and Vert 1-2-1-2 passing all the way upfield lol. COYS!
James1
I think it is far too early to suggest that AVB is getting it wrong and i feel that we now have both quality and quantity to push for a top four place and higher. The game against Arsenal came too soon. I personally like the 4-3-3 and i think we have the players to play in that system. But we also have the players to play in the 4-2-3-1, and i am sure AVB will not just play one system all of the time. I don't think we need three physical CM,s on the pitch whatever system we play. I would like to see Sandro/Capoue holding. Holtby and Paulinho/Dembele infront of him. Erikson, Lamela, Townsend, Lennon or Chadli making up the two inside forward slots. In a 4-2-3-1 i would like to see Sandro/Capoue and Paulinho/Dembele playing behind Chadli/Townsend LF, Erikson/Holtby CAM, and Lamela/Lennon/Townsend RF.
asherthesmasher
Can't wait for Fifa 14 to come out lol :) COYS!
James1
it's generally agreed that the double pivot in a 4231 will have a ball winner and a passer we are fortunate to have Capoue, Pauli that can work right or Holtby, Dembele left -whilst they can all pass they can also tackle (so under-rated as a skill)....Sandro is more an out and out ball winner...we can change from 4231 to 433 and back again in a heartbeat...dropp an AM for DM and it's done....and with our personnel that can also be done without making a sub....
shedboy2
James1- I like a ball playing CB but as we saw when Kaboul first arrived they must stay disciplined and defend first otherwise they can open us up...
shedboy2
Bale PR team needs to be sacked or get a hold quickly.. STRESSFUL signing a contract for 300k per week......come on spare a thought for the rest of the world....
tophobunty
I agree shedboy2 and we should expect that with Vlad and Vert as they're seasoned pros - both experienced International CB's. Kaboul like you said was a raw talent, still learning his trade so we had to take the rough with the smooth. Kaboul now is immense, he is imo one of the best in the league. Things are looking up and I still can't believe how many chances Eriksen created last season..138. Wow. COYS!
James1
James1 Kaboul is significantly more experiened than Chiriches
tophobunty
Staggering just staggering the amount of articles and posts regarding AVB. It's actually become embarrassing at this stage. I just cannot believe people are so naive to believe that we are a fully fit, fully integrated, functional cohesive unit already??? No u phucken arsholes we have to play to learn our strengths and weakness. It's not AVB's finished article and in fact it's only 20-30% of a real project. Keep making the rookie error in judgement if u like but I will believe we are BUILDING a solid squad and giving them the tools (tactics) to win football matches and bless his soul AVB may win us a trophy or two. Ian Bale did u really just post that nonsense about Sandro??? Ox seriously this guy is a troll! Can u not just ban the (unt
Mix26
Ossie calling Lamela a real Spurs player, nice words you legend. http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/ossieand39s-lamela-dream-040913/
SpursOne2
Soldaldo Ė Excellent hold play, easily finds the net, can provide assists and cross the ball well. Works well by himself or with another next to him. Paulinho Ė Excellent drive, can march through midfield and also find the net. Skilful, adventurous and good positioning to give support. 2 quality players who have already shown they are settling very quick but will grow as PL players as the season rolls on. Very excited to see what the other new guys can do and also hope that Townsend and Rose continue to go from strength to strength. COYS.
SpursOne2
Slurms I totally agree. To you doubters how do you say, after a handful of games that 'Soldado is one dimensional'? A bit like saying Lamela can't score (after his 20 min cameo). ATM we have no-idea how it's going to fit together so calm yourselves. I know we all have an opinion but put your 'we shoulda bought....' ideas on hold for now and come back after 8/10 games to tell us where its all going wrong! Of course, you could be eating your words if it's all going right. Go sit down, have a beer, chillax.
GreavesIsGod
we are going to get a very early indication of our squad depth due to some very strange fixture scheduling. tromso at home on a thursday, cardiff away on the sunday, then villa away on tuesday ! why was the villa game not on wednesday ? if we wanted maximum time to prepare for chelsea, why not leave cardiff on the saturday. surely we could play a weaker team against tromso and win than we will need against villa to win. very odd.
superspur74
I'll say it again Mixxy ole bean.... Sandro is a thug masquerading as a footballer. he wasnt always but the nice ppl in the stands like you no doubt have made him choose that path... doubt he'll be starting many in Prem with likes of Pauline, Dembele and even Stevie C about, let him concede all those freekicks in the EL instead
Ian Bale
It does seem we need to complain for the sake of complaining. Lloris has been number one for half a season. Vertonghen is just in his second season. Rose has returned from loan to a strating position. Paulinho, Capoue, Soldado, Chadli, Lamela, Chiriches, Eriksen are all new. Kaboul and Sandro just back from long-term injuries. Holtby has had half a season. Townsend is back from loan to be in contention for starting. Sigurdsson and Dembele are in their second seasons with us. AVB is in his second season with us. That's 16 players and a new manager and system that have all had 41 PL games (at most) to gel and come together. It does not work that quickly. We have the quality and the quantity to make huge strides. That said, from my perspective, I will not be raising the bar on this squad until next season. There is a lot of learning and growing to be done and that will take what we all are wishing away, time. By the New Year it will be obvious who the starters are, who the impact subs are, who has the confidence of the manager and who has been relegated to playing in the Cups or being used to give starters a break. We have a busy schedule (and will have every year we take all 4 competitions seriously). The great news is that on the defensive side, we do look very competent. 1 goal against in 5 games is fairly impressive. Offence will take a little more as it is not systemic. It's about knowing where players will be going, when they want the ball and how best to work together. Tic-a-tac does not come as a matter of course. It requires hours and hours of playing together. If it were me, I'd slot in Eriksen as default number 10 for now and allow Holtby and Sigurdsson to make their claims as subs and in the cups. We need consistency in the string puller role just as we need consistency with the keeper and the striker. These are the players who run the show. We need them to be completely comfortable before we start chopping and changing. The talent is there. Will we give them time? COYS
peterballb
Sandro played the exact same role and in the exact same fashion for Internacionale. He was so good, so intimidating that players rarely bothered to go through the middle. He also has the skill to push in to space. In 47 PL appearances he has 10 yellow cards. He has not been suspended for excessive cards. Does he foul? Of course he does. So does Capoue. They will not get cards as they are tough and stay on their feet. Sandro and Capoue (when he returns from injury) will split the time in the "protector/enforcer/intimidator role. Parker, as a comparison, averages about 8 YC per season. He already has 2 this year. It's what this type of player does. They play on the line, but tough. Sandro is a beast, but he can also play football. I'd rather have either he or Capoue at the base of a diamond in MF with 2 player operating up top. Both are amply capable. The issue is that AVB prefers at least 2 deep lying M'ers. Anyway, Sandro, in my books, is a very important part of this squad. COYS
peterballb
this 'needing time to gel' chestnut is waay overdone... they are professional footballers who should know how to play various systems, tempos and other variations of a theme... football is not quantum-physics its a fairly simple game that even strangers can play together with a little bit of time training together.... from whats been seen so far, the players seem to find each other pretty well. the problem is in the TACTICS used and the system played which the head-coach is wedded too from his lucky stint in portugal and is tryin to play with wrong players in the strategic positions eg. central striker... after spending over 100 million smackaroonies I really do not think getting 5th even is an option... when we don't even achieve last season's league position it will be time for AVB to leave, and it won't even be me that demands it... it'll be the likes of you (tho' you don't know that yet)
Ian Bale
Sandro is an important part of the backup... when Paulinho, Dembele or Capoue are resting up
Ian Bale
I suppose those that think Sandro and Capoue are thugs also felt the same way about Dave Mackay!
miamispur
Modric is a decent player (or so I have been told). He looked utterly lost last season under Mourinho's system. Looks utter class under Peligrini. Pros who had played many years in the EPL had trouble adjusting to Hughes, Redknapp, AVB, Dalglish etc. Some moves work immediately. Some moves take time. Even if a player just drops in to a system, it does not for one second mean that they have an understanding with those around them in the same system. Walker has still not figured out when to overlap with Lennon, when to feed him the ball, when to cut in. Defoe has, IMO, never looked in sync with any other strike partner he has played with. Was it Berba who sucked? Or Bent? Or VDV? Or Adebayor? Or Or Or. We have bought good footballers from Spain, Brazil, France, Holland, Italy, Romania, Belgium. It will take time for them to learn and become one with each other, the opponents, the officials, AVB. Playing twice a week, putting laces through the ball, understanding where to be defensively and what a 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 means are things any top player can understand without much fuss. The balance of the stuff will take time just as it will take time for AVB to determine who he wants to play for a particular match. It is not quantum physics. It is much more metaphysical and thus has a darned side more questions than answers. Time will turn that balance in favour of the players. COYS
peterballb
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tophobunty
I don't think Capoue is a thug, he has more to his game evidenced by his assists ratio in France... Sandro needs to calm down and play a more allround game if he wants to truly compete for a regular slot, and he won't do that just by playing up to the booboys in the stands
Ian Bale
Tophobunty I'm just pleased we have talented CB's at the back and superb DM's in Sandro and Capoue. Almost a perfect platform for attacking football. Kaboom is just a monster.. COYS!
James1
peteBall... Defoe's (or others) 'failure' to be in sync with teammates is not thru' incapability but choice... there are players (mostly forwards, but some attacking midfielders too that primarily play for their own stats.... if a striker like Defoe has 8 shots at goal per game he will score 1 maybe 2, but forego better chances being created for others if the move allowed to develop... the striker gets to look good after 38 games cos by then all the fans are interested in is gollygee the guys scored 15 goals this season... they won't care that the TEAM itself has lost goals overall and thus points in league, due to the striker scoring 'more' goals then someone like, dare I say, Ade who has nearly as many assists as goals when fully-fit... the more unselfish the forwards, the more successful the team eg. Utd with Rooney and Welbeck especially.
Ian Bale
.... to repeat... the balance/understanding of the side even wit the new players already appears fine... what is glaringly obvious is that the system allows for little space for EITHER side to create with, and we compound that by having a totally ineffective striker for the system played.... nothing to do really with not gelling, as the passing in defence and midfield areas appears fluent, nuanced and confident.
Ian Bale
Ian, peter is fine. As for the Defoe/Ade comments, I agree. Where we disagree is whether Adebayor serves any purpose whatsoever to this "team" at this time. If he is not being a "team" player, my guess is, he will not be used. AVB will not have a disruptive force in the team setup. You are either part of the "team" or you are not. This was an issue at Chelsea because that club is run by the room. AVB was hired to undo that and then was castigated for doing as asked. Oddly, his rotation, and preference of the future team" players over those who believed they had the right to be in the starting lineup every game was what had all of those veterans uninjured and able to carry them through the Cup and CL games while their diminishing skills in the league saw their league performances continue even after he was gone which is why we finished 4th. You are also correct about the stats. People on here continue on and on about Defoe and all of his goals. He has never scored at a clip of more than .6 goals per 90 minutes. It's good, but not great (Pav scored at the same rate as Defoe every season they were both at Spurs and outpaced him twice). What I do notice with Defoe is, the more he scores, the less everyone around his scores. That is a bad thing. You question Soldado, but he has already set up better positioned players in the box twice. Not his fault they did not score. But for Paulinho taking a goal off his foot against Swansea, we would have a goal from open play. This illustrates the need for players to bed in together but also demonstrates that he is a team player. I don't doubt that a fit, motivated Adebayor could contribute alongside Soldado to great effect. I just doubt as you will find a fit, motivated Adebayor, and I greatly suspect that AVB has gone about as far as he's going to go with trying to get Adebayor to toe the line. Coaches are hired to be fired. It behooves AVB to do what is in his best interests to have success on the pitch. If Adebayor will score 17 and assist on 15 (as I will concede he is capable), AVB would be stupid to not play him. I will suggest he is not being played because AVB believes his negatives are far more detrimental than his positives are assets. I don't care about his charitable work. I don't care how much he makes. Where I care is when I see a player who looks to have no interest in the club that pays him. That's where I draw the line. He was unfit/disinterested/unprofessional (some - all of) last season. That appears to me to have continued in to this season. Articles now suggest he wants out in January. Teams were in for him as recently as a few days ago. Why did he remain? Will he work his butt off to get back in the lineup? Only he knows. We'll only see the end results. COYS
peterballb
Ian, we have played 3 games in the PL. He scored the winning goal in 2 of the three. He did his job. As to service, against Palace we had Sigurdsson in the middle and there were lots of chances. Paulinho, Sigurdsson x 2, Chadli, Townsend, Soldado could have all scord from open play. The only issue in that game was the wingers penchant for cutting in to the middle and reducing the width thus making us easier to defend. For Swansea and the Arsenal it was Dembele in the middle. There was not much creation up the gut and I would suggest this was an error in selection. I'd have played either Holtby or Sigurdsson behind Soldado as Eriksen was not available. I think Dembele had one scoring opportunity in the two games and do not recall him once passing the ball to Soldado on one of his many runs. At any event, I believe Soldado will be fine and will not only score more than Defoe, but he will create more than Defoe. This team will be fine. Next season I'll be expecting the goal to be the title. This year, we, like 5 other teams, are in the mix for the CL spots, title and cups. COYS
peterballb
Excellent analysis on Defoe/Ade Peter. Completely agree with that last part about Ade as well. Fair play that he does all the Charity work, but he's basically getting money for nothing with his present attitude at Spurs.
SpursEagle
andro a thug, back up - my word, the site on here just gets more ridiculous by the day. Sorry to those great posters......
Windlespur
Windlespur -- only realised he said that through other posters as I just skip past his trolling. I'm beginning to think some are glutton for punishment by continuing to not only read, but actually reply. It just feeds him and keeps him alive
SpursEagle
peter- either modric is at City or City fired their manager...you made the same slip the other day...;)
shedboy2
Yes, Shedboy2, that should have read Ancelotti. Just can't keep all of these new managers straight. Point was, Ancelotti has Modric playing deeper and he is looking class. Pelegrini on the other hand has a wonderful group of individuals. Can he make them a "team". I believe that if Paulinho can outdo Fernandinho, Soldado outdo Negredo, Lamela utdo Navas, Eriksen outdo Jovetic and Chiriches outdo Demichelis, we have a chance to pip them in the table. It's a lot of ifs but I really don't see their acquisitions as being any better, although they certainly cost quite a bit. It's going to be a very interesting season. COYS
peterballb
Peter- agree, seem to recall us have a convo a while back and seeing Soldado and negredo as achievable targets...at about 15m! Nevas I like...will he track back like Lennon though?...I think without yaya they have a bit of a soft belly...something I think we've got rid of...
shedboy2
Peteball... well hush my mouth, so Soldado has set up up 2 whole chances in about 4 games (1 of which was against a Champsionship quality side) and has scored winning goals in 2 Prem games outta 3, but they were 2 penalties, which is a rather moot point when assessing his overall level ...and the Paulinho 'took off his foot sure thing' is just plain desperation on your part or maybe that never happens to any other forward around, and dare I say Soldado has done that himself a few times in career.. .... this Ade 'disruptive force' thingy is just another cliche made up by the haters, when he's match-fit he plays for the team as much as anyone, perhaps too much else, he'd have better scoring stats for sure (but less assists and other indirect significant plays, and less tracking back to help defend).... myth myth myth.
Ian Bale
.... as for why did Ade remain, its the same answer as for any other player who doesnt move... cos he wasnt given a good enough offer both playing wise and financially... the Schalke offer was great in footballing-terms but they cold meet his wages, and the Qatar offer was the opposite... if he just wanted more money he could easily have got that moving to Qatar and have a much easier life on the pitch with far inferior defenders to deal with... he actually refused more money and an easie life - doesnt sound like your typical hater's take on him does it ??
Ian Bale
*couldnt meet his wages' *
Ian Bale
Yes Ian, thank you. Ade stayed to collect his cash and not play rather than go somewhere else to play and still be very well paid. What I hear is that he was trying to get Spurs to pay him off, just as he did with City. If Levy said "Go do one" he has my support. At least BAE knew how to read the writing on the wall. Good for Adebayor though. Shame he has been so misunderstood at Arsenal, City, Madrid and Spurs. Like Defoe with strike partners, it's always the fault of the other guy. As for Qatar offering more money Really? Was there really an offer? Is it really a better fit? There's as much credibility in that as there was when Harry threatened to go there and pushed Levy in to extending his contract. Besitkas, Schalke all were offering him money and playing time. Schalke are in the CL. Not good enough for him. It's about the money and nothing more. He wants to play for one more contract. I suspect he is going to be sitting for some time. He has always got things on his terms. Levy tends to get things on his term and I would not be surprised if he were left here to not play and get paid.

Couldn't meet his wages? He got paid out a lump sum by City to go so that his dropping down to 100k/week for those two further years with Spurs. Honestly, the greed and not the football is the motivating factor here. Harry would have taken him on loan. It's all a moot point. Ade has chosen to stay. We chose to sign him on a permanent deal last season. There is a contract. Both sides are fully entitled to rely on that deal. Obligation is to pay him, not play him. Adebayor just has to show up and do what is asked. he doesn't have to try or give a toss. It's all good. What goes around comes around. If he wants to play, he will have to earn it. Good luck to him.

On Soldado, his job is to bury chances. It's fair to say he has created more for others than has been created for him. 2 chances may not seem a lot, but it's more than Dembele created while playing in the middle behind the striker. Soldado is the least of my worries. He has done exactly as expected. How many penalties have we not converted over the past 5 years? 2 out of 2 sounds a decent return. RB, LB, backup keeper are what worry me. Just a suggestion: perhaps if you dropped the snide sarcastic comments directed at fellow fans, people might have more time for you and you'd feel a little less "attacked". Just a thought. feel free to disregard. COYS
peterballb
it says to me that Ade wants to play at a high level rather than just go and collect money for shelling peas. hardly the actions of someone who wants to collect his wedge, like the Media has led you and your ilk to think.... and Soldado does not operate in a vacuum, he needs to become a useful member of the team by engaging play far more and even Defoe, wonder of wonders, has looked more of a player that can create space for himself and others far more.... Soldado is Spurs version of Rickie Lambert: a good finisher who scored alot of goals mostly away from the top leagues, but is fairly average with the big boys. LOL you carry on consoling yourself with a 26m pound penalty-taker when the team finishes 6th this season (or worse)
Ian Bale
... Ade didnt wanna play in the Championship, didnt want to light up a cigar and just collect his wedge in Qatar, and Schalke couldnt offer him a comparable wage.... he chose to stay in order to compete for a place and to carry on earning his wedge: not just collect a king's ransom in Qatar for scoring 30 goals without getting outta 2nd gear, surely by far te easier option if he's such a lazy slacker as the Media leads you and your brethren to believe
Ian Bale
On Sldado, we'll see. I suspect his numbers will be up there with the best strikers in the EPL. Time will tell. It would be nice if you gave him some of that. Time has told us repeatedly what Defoe does with his time on the pitch. Soldado has made good runs every game and does have 4 goals in 4 appearances. He also acts as a target man and holds up play. Basically does all we expect of him. Adebayor last season was the target man when he played. He certainly held play up and caused defenders problems, but there really were no teling passes or creation on his part. he and Defoe both played the ball back more often than not ad then got in to an offside position as quickly as they could. Heck, stats wise, Sigurdsson and Dempsey were both more productive which tells you a lot.

Adebayor is very lucky to have you as his PR guy. Funny that the article in the paper the other day, after the window had closed, suggested that he was looking at leaving Spurs in January. Let's all hope that he takes the fighting for his place a seriously as Dawson did. We all know that the whole late return from ACON last season was all down to him. What did it take him, a week to get back? He marches to his own drum. His prerogative, just as it is AVB's prerogative who he will play, wo will make the bench and who will not. I felt far sorrier for Kranjcar, Pav and Corluka than I do for Adebayor.

Incidentally, I do not regurgitate what the media suggest. I take in all the information to which we have access and I see if it jibes with what I see on the pitch. I am the one who defended Ramos and was dead set against Redknapp. When I saw Pav sucking no more than Defoe, it was I who stood by my guns. I have, to date, seen nothing remotely suggesting that there was a big money move proposed by Qatar. To take 20k less per week to play in the CL and be in one of the top German sides seems a better deal than sitting at Spurs. He has abundant talent. He just neglected to bring that with him last season. This season has not started off well for him either. COYS
peterballb
Has anyone seen Lamela videos on youtube at all?? By Italian pundits comments I was imagining a killer pass with a bit of Ben Arfa about him but he really isn't. He isn't as quick as people make out, though clearly not slow, but what struck me was the lack of clips showing this creativity he's supposed to posses. Most were smart finishes from great passing from Totti. And when called a 'tricky player' I assumed that meant he has skill. He appears to have quick intelligent feet though I didn't see one trick. Still think he'll be a good player for us, but definitely doesn't look like what I was expecting. -- I agree with many posts before that with the players we have Eriksen and Holtby as the creative spark will be the key for us this year.
oi.you.there
Perball... did you have a straight face when you wrote that 'He also acts as a target man and holds up play' ??.... ofcourse Ade wold be open to the RIGHT move in January (ebven this summer) but it will be to a good club from a strong league that may well have Euro-footy, and also ensure he doesnt have to have a pay-cut... I'm sure Levy/AVB and most 'fans' would like him to go to asap.... with this in mind, not sure why Ade should be too motivated to do well if/when called upon to save AVB's bacon. If I was Ade I'd ensure I don't get injured 1st and foremost
Ian Bale
 

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