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Boring Boring Tottenham Hotspur?

I have to confess to finding much of our play under AVB as being a little dull. Lacking both pace and imagination at times. Perhaps it is me that is at fault, as I am now too settled in the high tempo 100 mile an hour stuff of the English game and anything else is boring and slow. In truth, I'm not sure this is the case, as I love nothing better than to see vision and creativity, but that is perhaps the problem in that we are still lacking those qualities and all too often are still too predictable in our play, which makes it all the worse, when it is slow and ponderous, as we saw for much of yesterday.

When the football world drools at the beauty of Arsenal's play and goals, whilst we are praised for a usually solid defence, but have only scored at an average of a Premiership goal a game in our eight games, it may be our joint most productive Prem start in terms of points, but for me and I'm sure many others, it isn't pretty too watch and if I'm honest, I can't claim to be enjoying our early season 'success' as much as I would like.

I might be expecting too much too soon, as our new boys have only just arrived and developing a team to play fluent football, whilst retaining a top four challenge is very very difficult, and I assume it will get better given time, but so far, I am mildly impressed. but barely entertained, aside from the odd moment or period of magic. What frustrates me more is that I believe we have the quality of player, so is it the tactical restraints and disciplines that are the problem? Again it may well be a situation where the manager has to instil the structure, before the players can begin to show their creative side, but so far, I see the same problems with out lone striker as we had last season, even with different players. Is this their lack of quality, a poor balance or the coaching demands that is blunting our attacking edge.

It might be that I am missing the point and we are infact playing superbly and the intricacies of our play are lost on my uneducated mind. Perhaps those like a more methodical build up and possessional play, think we are great to watch, but does 70% of possession really mean anything, if most of it is in areas that the opposition are happy to let you have the ball? do teams already know that games will be tight and that we struggle to break an opposition down, therefore catching us on the break, as West Ham did the other week is the way forward. but all that we will ultimately see is another season of nearly but not quite and it also not being that pretty to watch.

Perhaps it is all very well me complaining, but what would I or anyone else do to make things different? It is easy to suggest that we only play one 'defensive' CM and perhaps we should try someone like Holtby there or perhaps bring back Tom Carroll in January, whilst would loading the box quicker, by adding pace, playing two strikers or just instructing them to concentrate more of offence, as opposed to defensive thinking. Maybe, look at Lamela or Lennon to pair up with Townsend, as a more pacy and penetrative two to work around Soldado. surely Cristian Eriksen is the right man to pull the creative strings, based on what we have seen. I also believe the return of Danny Rose, will add something extra, and he has been badly missed.

This isn't meant to be a moan or a miserable fan wanting my cake and eating it all in one sitting, but I am just asking a question as to if and when we will get the balance between winning and winning with some style and also how best we might achieve that feat. i leave it in your very capable hands...




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Writer: OxfordSpur Mail feedback, articles or suggestions

Date:Monday October 21 2013

Time: 9:13AM

Your Comments

I will take boring, if it means 3 points.
sydqcb5
Agree Syd, I'll take a boring 3points over an exciting loss any day!
Durbanspur
of course we always want the best of both, but can we get too obsessed with winning, and lose sight that we are traditionally a club that looks to entertain
oxfordspur
I dont think AVB style of play which is causing slow buildup. The real reason is we didnt play a dynamic CM who can move the ball quickly. Sandro- Paulinho are grinding type CMs. they will find it hard to pick a 30 yard pass. Even Dembele is not a CM who passes. So, dont think high line or AVB's formation has anything to do with slow build up. We simply dont have such CMs at the moment.
sydqcb5
I would say that the first half of match vs Chelsea wasn't boring. So one could argue that AVB is still trying to get something going, and is struggling at times with new faces, inexperience etc. It definitely tends to lack urgency at times. Yesterday's game was on the dull side mostly due to Villa. Anyway, back to winning ways, Soldado scored from open play, Paulinho showed us that he is probably the one to back up Soldado in the box. Great touch to set up Soldado. Lennon is back - yeah...try and double up on BOTH Townsend and Lennon! Chirches got a run out. Holtby got a run out. Good day for us.
TonyRich
sydqcb5 - AVB signed Dembele, Paulinho, Eriksen, Holtby, Capoue.... so it IS AVB causing it. At the end of the day, you should not be relying on 30 yard passes to break teams down.
TonyRich
Saying that, excellent article Ox. You echo what a lot of us are thinking - some keeping our thoughts to ourselves while others have been vociferous in their criticism.
I must confess that a few doubts are creeping in and I'm having to convince myself to be more patient.......
Durbanspur
Ox, I think we are entertaining, when oppositions is also having a go at us. We counter attack and do look pleaing on the eye, like in 2nd half yesterday. So there is a delicate balancing act of when to go for it and when to be patient. Having said, the 1st 20 min was unwatchable simply because our players couldn't make simple passes stick. More than focusing on entertainment, our players have to focus on doing simple things right.
sydqcb5
Oh, and I hope that they ban those idiots who threw the flare at the linesman. That is the sort of thing I expect at Millwall, not Spurs. Those prats are bringing down the name of our club and our great support.
TonyRich
Syd, its a combination of both those things, plus playing a very narrow pitch often.
tophobunty1
Well said TonyRich - no place for that sort of behaviour.
SouthCoastSpur
TonyRich, agreed AVB bought those players - but he bought them because he believed each one can do a particular job and help in team success; AVB did not buy them to entertain us - thats the truth.

And the fact remains, AVB is our most successful manager in decades interms of wins and points on board.
sydqcb5
Although our play hasn't been quite up there with what we have seen at times over the past few years, I'm more than happy with the way we are playing now. Players are still getting to know each other and the style of play and if we can get the results we need now then I think we will be more expansive at times when it all starts to gel properly. You have to have a solid defense to build on and although personally not a massive fan of the slow Spanish/Barca build up, if Spurs have 60-70% posession then it means the other team don't have the ball.
SouthCoastSpur
Ox, the board stepped up fully in the window, it's now the turn of the manager to step up, he isnt fully yet and the net result is what we see. Luck has been our way which is a welcome change. He needs to get the balance right and more often trhat not play players in positions where they are comfortable and offer something positive for us. The problem comes if we find he is not fully capable of stepping up, I am sure the squad is, yes we need another forward 9unless the good Ade comes back fully) but apart from that we have a VERY strong squad. Do we have a VERY strong manager to get the best out of it, to me there is the current doubt in the mix.
tophobunty1
Possession is meaningless, you can pass the ball in your own third of the field all game without creating anything. Villa showed exactly how many teams will play against us this season. They realised we have a problem breaking teams down so played defensively and tried to hit us on the break. Luckily they couldn't shoot straight. Once the first goal went in the game changed. Villa had to come out and attack and we had more space to play in and looked much better. The measured build up is fine against a team that wants to attack, it doesn't work well against one that is prepared to defend and wait for a mistake. Expect more games like that this season. Having said that we are a work in progress and you would hope we will get better as the season goes on. So keeping in touch with the leaders in the meantime is important, even if it means grinding out results.
jod
Syd - AVB is in danger of becoming our least successful manager in terms of achievement versus expectation. No-one has had the financial backing that he has had. He must be judged against that not spurious historical comparisons.
love totty
I think we looked far stronger with Jan at left back. For the time being I think we shouldkeep it that way. Lamela woudlnt give us much mor, he hant really done anything yet.. the only change I would have made would be Siggs out and Eriksen in. Siggs has played well lately but Eriksen is the man that can unlock doors. Apart from that, it doesnt bother me how we play - yes its exciting when we play at 100miles an hour, but you dont win thins like. Being methodical, and looking for an opening is how you win tites and cups. Not rushing things, im very impressed with our start. West ham was a blip, take that out of the figures and we have only conceded 2 goals this season.
Paddavis5
As I've said many times before, I'd taking boring 1-0 all season.
Madaboutspurs
Good article Ox. I think the subtle point you raised in this article about Rose is the most relevant. When I think about Walker and Townsend on the right I always think they will make progress up the pitch quickly. When I look at the left it is completely the opposite especially when Siggy starts there. Therefore we blame the midfield for not being creative even though they would get way more space if we maintained width from the fullbacks both sides. They would also have way more passing options.

I'm not yet overly concerned. We can easily bring in Kaboul or Chiriches for Dawson and Rose back into the left back slot. We will have more options with Capoue and Lennon back whilst even having a fit Adebayor would allow us to disrupt some teams by switching to 4-4-2 in the 2nd half of some games. We also know the best is yet to come from Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli, Holtby etc. I also think we will see the big win in the league soon and that could catalyse us.
muttley
sydqcb5 - too early to make such assertions. AVB has completed just 2 full seasons in his entire managerial career. Wait til he wins a trophy, gets far in CL finishes 3rd and above before you start saying how successful he is...
TonyRich
Agreed Jod, good post, and Ox, yes its all about winning but as a fan I also want to entertained, and dont see why I can't have both.
Fletch
Can I just make sure lennon gets the praise he deserves! it was hit tracking back that won the ball for the second goal and set us on our way. I think he’s the most underrated player in our squad and its great news he’s back!
Klinspurs
Hi guys, first timer here and excuse my english, i from Sweden. Well, sometimes i get bored to watching Spurs and especially at WHL. But after mush consideration i know why. Every team that visit WHL sits back with 11 men for the most part of the game, its hard to play a fast fluid game then. The same happend at Villa park yesterday. Teams now fear us. Look at the westham game, they had Diame as their " center forward " but they run and defended like 11 centerbacks. The only problem i have now is that i want more movement without the ball from the frontplayers, Soldado is so f...ing good at that and we need more from Siggy, Erikssen, Holtby Paulinho or whoever plays upfront and thats why we cant start Defoe, hes way to easy to pick up. Sry for my english guys but hope u understand what i meant. COYS bring on Hull
Roysan79
Paddavis5 - I don't think that Eriksen is the answer (for now at least), With Eriksen behind Soldado, he does not back Soldado in the box. Soldado is isolated. Even Holtby playing there left the same problem. I believe that Paulinho may the be the answer for now - OR siggy behind. We need someone to back Soldado up. Why is it that Man U, Man C, Liverpool are all able to play 2 strikers - who are setting each other up, and we play one, with no one else entering the box?
TonyRich

I just felt like Aston Villa got It wrong and to be fair, the result could have been a lot worse for them. Away from home and the way they approached this was the reason the game went this way. AVB and our guys came out cautiously in the first, won the battle of possession but still it took a bit of time to really look sharp and provide some real threat to our forward men. The Villa players were half hearted and we were neither on the full assault or counter because of this. The first goal was deserved and timely. Second half much better, with the late goal of ours it was obvious that they would have to do something. Well we dealt with the changes from Villa and really made it hard from them with a second goal. We should have sewn the game up with a third but this wouldn’t have added too much to the feel of this one overall imo. I personally am enjoying watching Spurs play both exciting games and technical games whilst winning. I know that we are not the finished article or even playing at our best yet.


Another 3 points - We wanted more width and Townsend with Walker were doing their job, complemented by some tidy play via Sigurdsson on the other wing. We could have started Townsend on the left, Lennon on the right which would have given us even more pace, but AVB got it right on the day as far as the team result goes.


This is what is meant by Gelling, the team get to know each other and everything starts clicking , things become easier on the eye. Those still pointing the finger at players after 8 games need to have a think about this realistically.


8 games 2012 season – 14 points

8 games 2013 season – 16 points


Interestingly, after 8 games we were in the same possession in the PL table, albeit this time with 2 more points. The chavs sat top on 22points. So this year the table leader is 3 points off the pace.

SpursOne2
Roysan79 - we understand just fine mate. Welcome.
TonyRich
Heard that word 'balance' a lot on here especially these past two weeks - and if we must be completely honest, the left side has let us down - playing a makeshift left back and left midfielder has exposed how unbalanced we are.
Durbanspur
love totty,. sorry mate - disagreed.He is 15 months into the job and there is nothing to suggest that he is doing a bad job. You can talk about the money spent etc etc, but fact is he is taking players who are already in squad to next level - ex Bale (last season), Townsend & Rose as well. Yesm he spent the money- whats wrong woth squad or team. Did you expect we will playing 90 min champagne football, scoring every 20 min ? Every team is improving, and we are improving too in terms of league. We lost Europa league and capital one cup ties in failing to score penalties - which can happen to any team. Good thing is, he is showing the ambition by fielding good teams in cups -so its a matter of time.we win something substantial.
sydqcb5
Yes we are boring to watch, home games are the worst, theres no real highlights of yesterdays game to talk about as with most of the games this season, i found myself in autopilot for large periods of the game yesterday where i was watching it, but wasnt really watching it. It reminds me of when Greece won the Euro cup or when Chelsea won the ECL, does the job but easily forgotten, until you buy a club mug listing the achievements on the side of it. It was the same last season except Bale came up with a wonder strike which drew attention away from how uninspiring the rest of the team was. Despite the talent I'm struggling to enjoy our football this year.
coys1717
sydqcb5 - nothing there is suggesting that he is doing a bad job no. But there are question marks over poor home performances, a bizarre tendency to collect midfielders of similar types, the neglecting of the left full back position. But thus far he has taken a fourth placed team, and made them 5th. We got no further in cups, despite fielding stronger sides. Too early to say, and I said before.
TonyRich
First off, I think the comparison with Arsenal is unfair. There's little surprise that a settled team integrating one and half quality players into a footballing template that the club and manager have stuck with for over 15yrs, looks more comfortable and at ease than we do at the start of the season. Nobody should need reminding of the number of changes to our squad and first team this season or that we are only 3 pts and GD behind the league leaders. The surprise is not that the new setup has struggled to find fluency in some games, but that it has found it as often as it has and been so successful while doing so. Whatever your personal feeling about how long it takes players to find their feet and unfamiliar team mates to gel and function effectively together, there can be no denying that the longer they do play together, the more the coach has a chance to watch them, to experiment with new combinations, to ditch what doesn't work and to polish what does, the better they will become. AVB had success in Portugal playing relentlessly aggressive football, so, while the cavalier performances of the Redknapp era might well be over, I'm confident that we can expect more first halves against Chelsea than first halves against Villa. Defeats like the West Ham game we can definitely expect to one-off aberrations.
darkenvai
First question. Can you play with style and flair for 90 minutes? Answer no. Second question. Can you create numerous opportunities against teams parking the bus? No because that tactic is used to prevent teams creating chances. Third Question. Can you control the game by controlling the possession? Yes, why? The more possession you have the more annoyed, anxious, frustrated and risky the opponents will behave the longer the game goes on. It is obviously the game plan to hold the ball and not risk losing it from irrational or risky play as we have adopted a high line in defense and the wet spam game was the result of us losing possession cheaply. What is concerning is the sad and sadistic individuals who lack any respect for our management and simply question their position based on their own ill feelings and complete lack of any real facts. I'm not sure any manager on the planet gets its right all the time but at least their fans actually appretiate the hard work put in. There is a dedicated and methodical approach to this Spurs team that is nothing like we have seen in many long and painful years. I would sacrifice a few dull games to play in the CL and be competitive in all competitions during a complete revolution at the club any day of the week.
Mix26
Oxford...Well done mate,you've covered all the bases with thoughts and comments on this one.

The way i see it, yesterdays 1st half performance was as a result of very little movement ahead of the back 4, most players recieving the ball were doing so whilst stationery. We need to up the tempo, little give and go's, it's pretty easy to mark somebody standing still, i think the fear of losing possession is now outweighing the confidence of one touch little balls in MF to create space.

My hopeful solution for a few weeks now has been "let's play Holtby in CM", he has a knack for quick short passing, moving quickly into space for a return ball, good vision and a great workhorse, i honestly believe he would aid the tempo issues we currently are experiencing. Movement off the ball has vanished, this is a very valuable trait to have as a footballer, it draws players out of position and usually creates spaces for others to exploit. I heard a post match interview with Sir Les and Dion Dublin last night and they quipped how Walker did not really have to overlap Townsend because he is good enough to do his own thing. Totally wrong, two guys blessed with pace, one goes bombing forward, you can bet an oppo player is going to chase back, thus creating space to operate in.

I would have liked to have seen Walker get up and down more yesterday, a risk i know (is it?), why not Walker start a run, overlapping Townsend, then play the ball to Townsend, if nobody has chased Walker, well, let's look for a ball for him. In conclusion, my first little gripe of today is the lack of movement in the Centre of the park and not utilising the pace on Wings (well RW) enough. Not saying Townsend was not good yesterday, he played well, but with 2 flying machines on the Right, you'd like to think that between them 1st half they could have produced more, with the right balls from MF or working in tandem.
Cider spurs
Felt much happier with the team towards the end of the game yesterday, two out and out wingers stretching things with their pace (incidentally, I loved Aaron's revenge tackle on Weimann yesterday). Liked the look of the all power three in midfield as well, Sandro sitting really deep and allowing dembele and Paulit to roam forward. Thought we played much better football with that formation. Maybe that's just because villa were attacking more though, I don't confess to having a great football knowledge haha
youngsoulrebel87
Call me old fashioned, but I am still trying to come to terms with having 20 odd great players but not able to play them every week. Surely a bit of flair is not to much to ask when they do get a game or will that get them benched.
love totty
jod good post Jod...Padda, you simply cant play Verts at left back when Rose is fit for two reasons, Verts is a MUCh better cnetra back and if we do it keeps Dawson in the side. Rose is showing genuine promise this season and must be played left back if fit and continues to play as he did before his injury. ....Siggy has NOT played well lately.....Durban ref balance, quite right but remember its repeatedly been the managers choice. Fryers is a left back, play him there and he has the chance VERY quickly to show he could be a very good one...Siggy in front of Naughton makes us invisible left side.
tophobunty1
I agree with the word boring i also agree that three points everytime regardless to style of play would be fantastic , but i also feel AVB still does not pick his strongest team due to this rotation system there was Holtby never really great i think he and Rose and Naughton are not premiership standard , we are allways going to struggle with these guys in the team on the bench yes but who wants to be there we have got to gel a great team to challenge for the top four and not to go into the champions league just an average team instead of a great team .
POP
TonyRich, AVB took a 4th place team to 5th place ?-

IMO, thats a wrong perspective to asses a manager. while factually it looks right but its wrong on so many levels. It doesnt consider the level of competition, seriousness showed by manager in all cups/league etc...

Harry threw away league cups, FA cups, Europa to focus only on 38 league games. AVB never gave the impression of throwing away cups, on the contrary did whatever he could to utilise the complete squad.

If you analyse end of last season we were joint 1st interms of form table considering last 6 games. But unfortunately for us, Arsenal were ruthless they had 8wins, 2 draws in last 10 games, which was simply ridiculous. We finished on our highest points tally ever, but painfully competition was even better.

I believe its unfair to compare 2 managers.
sydqcb5
TonyRich, AVB took a 4th place team to 5th place ?-

IMO, thats a wrong perspective to asses a manager. while factually it looks right but its wrong on so many levels. It doesnt consider the level of competition, seriousness showed by manager in all cups/league etc...

Harry threw away league cups, FA cups, Europa to focus only on 38 league games. AVB never gave the impression of throwing away cups, on the contrary did whatever he could to utilise the complete squad.

If you analyse end of last season we were joint 1st interms of form table considering last 6 games. But unfortunately for us, Arsenal were ruthless they had 8wins, 2 draws in last 10 games, which was simply ridiculous. We finished on our highest points tally ever, but painfully competition was even better.

I believe its unfair to compare 2 managers.
sydqcb5
We may traditionally entertain but e don't traditionally win the league. If we can be boring and win 3-4 titles over 10-20 yr period, I'll look back on it as a very exciting period in our history.
Dan Mac
oops, apologies for double post
sydqcb5
Dan Mac, we are boring and 5th.
tophobunty1
Considering that AVB has not played his best possible starting 11 once in the Premier League this season in my opinion, it's excellent that we are only 3 points from the top of the table, especially after only getting 1 out of 6 points from the Arsenal and Chelsea games. Thankfully AVB seems to have finally sussed that Sandro must be a starter to protect the back four, which gives Paulinho the freedom to attack. What an assist yesterday. Paulinho the lock picker! The next stage is to get the excellent Chiriches settled into the team next to Vertonghen in the heart of central defense! Vertonghen I believe should be made team captain, with Dawson returning to the bench as a back up player. AVB then needs to get Lamela into that first team who is a total skill boy! We witnissed Soldado prove his critics wrong yesterday with that super cool finish! Can't wait to see Lamela do the same! Lennon coming back and looking very sharp was also a big bonus. We looked far my dangerous when he replaced Siggy. As for the possession, well it is fantastic the team can keep possession of the ball! AVB now needs to come up with the best tactics and use of players to turn this possession into creating more goal scoring chances. Pushing Paulinho into a more advanced role is one option as we witnessed yesterday with his sublime assist and the other exciting option is to get Lamela ready and into that team ASAP!
pelebro
Now that Lennon is fit I believe that we will see our approach change, I don't see Siggy playing on the left again, If Rose is not fit then Verts should play left back, I don't know why Fryers is not getting a game so AVB is seeing something in training to believe he is not ready. We are not playing the best but it has not been like that for every game this season. The next run of games will test us a lot more as we have Hull, Everton, Newcastle, Man City, Man U. These teams won't allow us to have a off day but I am confident of getting the results required to maintain our push up the league.
Kong
One2, who did we play forst 8 games each season, this is important and to a degree how others are playing this year against last, if they are under performing we get to see stats in greater context.
tophobunty1
OK firstly I thought the second half of yesterday's game was entertaining. The first half was not so great. I feel the reason seems to be a lot to do with the number of touches players take before passing the ball. I also notice that under AVB we perform well at the end of the game and we look full of running throughout at a time when opposition teams are getting leggy. Under HR sure we had those swashbuckling 100mph performances where we went at them from the off but how many late goals did we concede? Under AVB we're not conceding many late goals and score more late goals than we did under HR. Another point that is oft overlooked on here I think is how much the lack of cover at full back affects us. We all know by now the under AVB's 4-2-3-1 formation width must come from the full backs. There is no real cover and competition for Walker and Rose in these positions. Forget strikers, this is the most important area to strengthen. Playing with width gives space for players in the middle to score goals. Walker needs competition and playing Naughton on the left doesn't work. Jan does a good job out there but we want him playing central. Two full backs for (slightly late) Christmas present please Mr Levy!
Kes80
In the next game at home to Hull why not play three at the back with Sandro in the holding role? That would allow us to play both Lennon and Townsend wide with either Eriksen or Holtby supporting Soldado and still have Paulinho paired with Dembele in midfield.
love totty
Back to the topic, I believe our general game play will only as improve as season goes on. Boring or not boring, atleast am less nervous nowadays if we are 1-0 up & closing the game down. I have lot more faith in this team to keep clean sheets and see off games.
sydqcb5
Our first 8 games last season, Newcastle (a) Lost 2-1, WBA (h) 1-1, Norwich (H) 1-1, Reading (a) won 3-1, QPR (h) won 2-1, Man U (a) won 3-2, Villa (h) won 2-0, Chelsea (h) lost 4-2, we didn't start great last season then picked it up
Kong
TonyRich...very good point relating to how most teams are able to get 2 strikers on the pitch, link well and set each other up. Siggy got a header in, Paulinho nearly faced one in, but rightly you state, we do not load the box enough in attack all too often. I know many will slate me for this because of the likeness of strikers we already possess, but i do believe Hernandez (Man U) would be an excellent signing to play alongside Soldado. Play him to the left a little behind Soldado and i think we would see him lay it off and run past him for return balls. He has the trickery in and around the box and is very adept in the air. This obviously is only based on the Adebayor staying and performing scenario, but i do feel 2 lethal finishers in the box is the way forward.
Cider spurs
Kong, ref Fryers training, or AVB is making a mistake?
tophobunty1
Redknapp couldn't break these teams down attacking at pace, AVB's slow build up play has been shown to work much more often. As far as I'm concerned we have had the chance to experiment with both ways and the patient build up wins. The real discussion is weather you would rather entertaining football or winning football. (they can be the same thing but that takes years to generate, maybe in 5 years we will have an AVB swagger and a winning mentality but I don't think that comes all at once this quick)
Dan Mac
Tophobounty - 8 games in...saying we are boring and 5th like it's the end of the season doesn't make that a valid point. Also, I would argue we're not that boring to be honest, just not as 'headless chicken' as we were with Redknapp
Dan Mac
Dan Mac, i am not saying it like its the end of the season, that is your perception sorry. I am merely stating a fact. You dont win the league in 5th, we finished there last season and we are there now.
tophobunty1
Tophobunty - I have liked the look of Fryers when he has played, raw but that is expected, got pace which is good. I don't understand why he didn't play against Tromso and Rose did and got injured, that didn't make sense at all. I would say that was a AVB mistake, think he is being too cautious with Fryers, don't know why, was the same with Townsend until Lennon got injured. If Fryers can'[t get a game with Rose injured we won't see him in the league anytime soon. I have liked what I have seen of Rose too.
Kong
We will win 80% of games in which we score the 1st goal. If teams choose to persist with this pussy ass negative tacticts against us then we just have to make sure we get that all important 1st goal anyway possible. Sandro is a must in this team. Quite possibly the best holding midfielder in world football. Almost like giving the defence a day off when he plays.
The Samba Beast
A team that doesn't know each other at all well with so many incomers IS going to play it safe to start with. They'd be idiots not to. They CAN'T play that fast flowing sweeping attractive football until they have formed partnerships and understandings, plus learning a new style of play with a new manager and a team mate or two who can't speak a word of English and who can't speak it too well, so there will be communications to deal with too, and that all takes time. You could see glimpses of what is to come in yesterdays game, even in the first half it was there. This is the core of what will become a very very good squad. I still say we won't see the best of them until next season when everything and everyone will be in place. Then it is ours. I for one am willing to wait because i can see it coming.
chrishove123
Kong agree 100% bad mistake my AVB esp when he had seen in countless games how Naughton had struggled at left back and more importantly how narrow he makes us when he plays there. There are knock ons to players like Verts and Dembele too when Naughton plays left back.You have to give the younger ones a chance when its screaming you in the face and this is screaming so loud it hurts. Fryers looks to me that he could really make it....I genuinely believe if he had played all these prem games Rose has been injured Rose would be struggling to get back in, but he wasnt and we are still *****ing in the dark over there upsetting the balance playing people out of position. But we will never know because AVB made bad calls.... AVB has a distance to go to convince me he is up to the job, I hope he does and soon.
tophobunty1
SpursOne2, not to mention that last season we didn't play during the first eight games of the competition, like we did this season, a home game against a real strong, concerning away games, team which has spent more than one hundred millions to strengthen their squad like the Spammers.
Ioan X
ANother thing I forgot is we had no real pre season as a team or even a squad, so it's all being learnt now instead of back then.
chrishove123
have to agree with those looking to give Fryers a start on thursday and perhaps ideally looking at Naughton, Chiriches, Kaboul and Fryers, leaving Walker, Dawson, Vert and rose, hopefully rested for the weekend
oxfordspur
I can see good things with this squad but I want players to play in their natural positions. We are getting the points but are making it harder for ourselves. I understand that sometimes that won't be the case but why persist with something that is not working. It is not Naughton's fault that he is not left footed so to put him in that position is not ideal, I don't think Naughton has been bad but look how easy verts made it look being left footed. I am sure how lennon is back that our wings or sorted, I want to see Lennon or Lamela instead of siggy on Sunday. There were enough games for Fryers to be given a chance and give AVB a headache for the left back position, we have no choice but to relay on Rose now.
Kong
Tophobunty1.... It must be brilliant for you that you don't make any mistakes in your life! I do believe you would expect a 12 week old child to walk and be running by the time it's 6 months old. I'm really bored that you only have negativity towards anything AVB does, not that it really matters as I don't expect him to read these blogs. When we end up winning trophies and playing as Porto used to then perhaps you might acknowledge his abilities. In the mean time just cut him and the squad some slack.
longtimespur
I am delighted to see we have now become a very effective away side. We kept possession and prevented Villa from achieving anything because they did not have the ball for long enough. Villa had seen off Arsenal and Manchester City this season but we avoided the same fate.We must now get it right at home and this involves moving the ball quicker in the final third. Arsenal and Chelsea are the examples of how to do that, but remember Redknapp had the same problem of chance creation and scoring.
cynicspur
sydqb5 - I think you have a point. When other teams put everyone behind the ball we are less entertaining, we play slow passing possession with little urgency, patient game that is narrow. However, when the game opens up when the other team have a go at us we get more space and we then express our self more and it becomes more exciting.

I think what is happening is we play patiently and try and get the goal, then the other team have to change and push forward take more chances and this gives us space to counter attack and play with more freedom. However, the problem we have which was like last week is when we don't score when we have all the possession and playing narrow and the other team do score. Like at Westham they took the lead and they didn't need to change the game much they could still put all their men behind the ball so we struggled to break them down and we had to push forward more for the equaliser which actually left us vulnerable to counter attack.

The key is for us to get the lead while we are playing this narrow, possession football because that forces the opposition to open up and attack more and then this gives us the space. Like it did yesterday, we took the lead and Villa opened up which gave us more space and we started to look good and got the second goal to kill the game off but up until the goal it was like watching paint dry.

Now if we play a team that doesn't put everyone behind the ball then we are better because we have the talent to play anyone at their own game when it comes to being a open game. So in actual fact Westham and Villa got it right by trying to stop us playing, putting everyone behind the ball the only difference was Westham sneaked a goal and yesterday we sneaked the goal so to me it shows me that it is important that we don't concede when we play teams that play the way Westham and Villa did, getting everyone behind the ball and that we get the first goal when we play teams that play that way otherwise we will struggle.

The key is unlock these teams and that is not easy to do unless you have world class players who are able to d that. Yesterday our goal came from a cross that was missed not by all this possession football trying to unlock teams however, the 2nd goal did come that way but by then Villa didn't have so many players behind the ball as they were searching for a equaliser themselves.

The question is can we develop our players to get that goal when we have the possession and other teams are putting all their players behind the ball, do we have the quality. I think this is why Soldado was brought in because he is clinical, one chance and 99.9% he will take it were as Defoe gets one chance at may 98% of the time he will take it, that 1.9% makes a difference when it comes to playing teams who park the bus. However, we need the players that can create that chance for Soldado and yesterday we didn't until Villa opened up so as i see it we are playing a dangerous game with the system employed but we don't know and will not know if it will pay off until the end of the season. Will we win enough playing this way, will our players be able to break down these teams that park the bus, the equation is will we break them down enough to get enough wins throughout the season.
WorldPeace
I keep reading on here that we should lose Sigurdsson. The answer is when we find somebody else who can score as consistently as he does from open play then we can consider that LOL
cynicspur
Longtime, I make many mistakes in my life as do all humans. Thank you for having in your mind a picture that I dont but its just not the case is it. What is wrong with trying to understand why people make mistakes and try to avoid them repeating? Porto = Celtic ....Chelsea = Prem league add our 5th last season and 5th so far this season, thats when I see. Who sadi I do not acknowledge his abilities? I said i am not convinced he has what is required to manage at the top in the prem based on the evidence so far...5th/6th is not my idea of top or where I want us to be longtime...
tophobunty1
I would like to add it is still early days for most players and the manager. Look at Utd with Moyes they are struggling, it takes time for players and managers to settle. AVB had last season but we were weakened by losing best two players in VDV and Modric and Ade didn't get pre season and was woeful and we also had two injuries to kaboul and Sandro then this season we lose our best player Bale another pre season damaged by all the activity and chaos around Bale and with losing Bale we did the rigt thing brought in lots of new players to make our squad stronger, using the money wisely and because of so many new faces we have a lot of work to do with getting them forming relationships, gelling, getting used to pace and physicality of the PL for some players and the language, so we need to be patient. I think next season will be easier for us if we keep all our players as they will have had a season to adjust and AVB would have had a season to work with them and we should have a proper pre season with only a couple of changes. So I think we are doing fine.
WorldPeace
OX Fryers needs a go in the prem when the first choice left back is injured, in his case this spoon game away is almost pointless and possibly even counter productive, hiding to nothing
tophobunty1
cynic how many did Siggy get last season?
tophobunty1
Kong ... I know what you mean about playing in natural positions, but one of the strengths of this squad is that many of them CAN play in more than their preferred position. This could be a real bonus later in the season if injuries hit us. This should only happen from necessity, and there is an argument, of course, that it is not necessary now ... except that, just like us, AVB is still working out all the various permutations. Anyone ... am I the only one that has difficulties typing on this site or is it my computer ... it keeps missing letters a I type!?
Geofspurs
Not a great display by any means but we got there. Fact is, yeah Villa parked the bus but have got to stop this rolling the ball along our back 4. Every time Sandro or Paulinho got the ball there was no one to play it to going forward. We have the players now but if im honest i dont think we have got the tactics right. As soon as we saw what Villa were doing i would have gone 4-3-3, the whole "no10" behind soldado STILL isnt working. Paulinho Sandro Dembele in the midfield with Townsend and eriksen either side of soldado. Roberto needs to bloody up his game too, his finish was tidy enough but IMO hasnt done anything up to now ADE or Defoe couldnt do. Another dissapointing game from siggy, im just wondering when our £30 attacking player will get a chance, as yet again we looked poor in the final third. Sorry guys but we arent playing well at the moment, believe what you want.
hudderspur
Sandro has finally returned to full fitnes after a severe knee injury, why are some reading it as AVB finally waking up to the idea of starting Sandro? His cover, Capoue was injured early on in the season which meant Paulinho and Dembele being deployed as neither DM or CM but a combo of both. Lack of game time for Fryers could be seen as an over sight or it could be seen as protecting a youngser and easing him in while also giving an older youngster, in Noughton, a chance in the squad to see if he can improve and cut it at the top level or at least earn a decent trasnfer fee. Lennon coming on for Siggy changed the dynamic of the team yesterday and our second goal was an example of strangers starting to gell, with fast fluid passing and an excellent finish - sort of like Defoe should have done against West ham early in the second half a couple of weeks ago. The only "mistake" I would accuse AVB of making is persisting with Siggy on the Left (I know chadli and lennon are/were injured) while Townsend and Lamela could only be played on the right. When it comes to wingers variety is the spice of life.
Slurms McKenzie
This talk about Siggy is a difficult one. He can score when he is around the area but last two games he hasn't been in and around the area for some reason. I think the problem with Siggy as it is with Holtby is finding their best position.

Siggy is not a lesf winger and neither is Holtby a player to play behind the striker in the hole. I am not sure what Siggy's best position is and Holtby likes to get stuck in and so likes to be deeper than the 'hole' position. I actually think Holtby is more suited to a three man midfield and Siggy probably suited more to a 3 - 1 -2 formation playing the 1 position behind two strikers in front of three midfielders, so not too far forward but not too deep. Give him a chance to roam around play behind two strikers but who plays that formation.

I do think we need to keep him because he is a useful player when it comes to getting goals although he is not consistent but we don't have many players to show us they can score form open play were as Siggy has so imo he stays for now but he doesn't always look happy, I am not sure he is happy with himself.
WorldPeace
Paddavis5 - "lamela hasn't done anything yet"...beg to differ...without lamela we would be 7th on the log instead of 5th because he was the difference between a win and a draw at cardiff. BTW, like your username , are you south african by any chance?
neymar
I was more then pleased with the win yesterday, against a team that has shown this season they can beat anyone on their day. I feel we have played some good Football so far this season as well as looking pretty solid at the back. LBH if we had put away the chances against Palace,Cardiff and even yesterday we would be at-least 6-8 more goals better of then our current stats. I feel getting back Lennon will help because we can now open up the left side to our advantage too. COYS
WestStandEnclosure
Geofspurs I suffer the same missing letters when I type, but I see it as a real bonus because I get to re-read some of the best posts on this site before I hit the submit button...
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms ... thanks for that, mate. I'll stop being paranoid now! I find the re-reading helps too, but it gets a bit hard when there are about 300 posts, many of which are repetitive!
Geofspurs
the fans had more flare then the team in the 1st half
123spurs
Hi spuddies buddies, I come in peace; Shalom! "Boring Boring Tottenham Hotspur", I read? Oh well, if you say so...though I'd readily have you lot play boring if only it means you remain ahead of manUre throughout Moyes' reign. So, there you have it; stay boring, will ya? COYS;)
HGH Magic
I thought that after Benteke came on Villa were a different proposition for a while, but AVB saw it and made some subtle changes that took the wind out of their sails. Lennon came on and the service up their RHS dried up and Dembele strengthened midfield defensively. When JD came on we then looked set up to hit them on break in a complete reverse of the 1st half. My overall view is the system AVB has the team playing now gives him an element of flexibility meaning we can adapt during the game and it's all built on a foundation of a strong defence, which is something Spurs have only had for the last few years. I think the team are still gelling and AVB is developing his tactics as he works with the squad... and I do mean squad as opposed to the 1st team 11. I feel sure that in time you'll see a Spurs team that isn't quite so predictable as they seem now. The more I see of AVB's management of tactics the more impressed I am, but I do prefer to watch free flowing football that we've always played, but we always had vulnerabilities in our defence. We were always great going forward, but conceded way too many. I suppose the lack of flare is the price we have to pay for a solid defence - for now at least (I hope).
SPUDMAN
Play players in the positions they were signed for. Glaringly obvious mistake is Fryers. Loan out Benny and play a little used RB as a LB. Fryers must either be really shocking as a player (doubtful) or this is an oversight by AVB. I call the latter on this one.Same as Lamela, no way could he not be played a bit more than he has thus far. I know about the integration, new country, new team etc,etc. He is however a professional footballer, who throughout his career will have to adapt to many different scenarios. £30 million suggests he has something to his game, be nice to see it. As for the LW, well, same old, Siggy...same last season with makeshifts out there the whole time. On the bright side, talk of Deuce coming in January for fitness, we can play him out there again. After all, we wouldn't want to actually play somebody who actually can play LW and not as a makeshift ...Would we?.
Cider spurs
Spudman-After yesterday, a lack of flare (sic) might be a good thing.
5thcolumnist
I really enjoyed our performance after half time.Villa had to come out and attack more which left space for our front runners.The second goal was as good as any of the gooners and I loved the clever flicks and back heel of Soldado.Good to see Vlad give an excellent performance for his first Premier showing.I think AVB will become more adventurous as he integrates the new players.I feel a lot happier today than last Monday.So well done AVB.
Greavesaboveall
If we had 24 points, had scored 8 and conceded 0 people on here would still be complaining. Unfortunately, there are a great many Spurs fans who would rather be entertained than succeed. At 2 points a game we are on pace to improve our points total again. We are very solid in the cups and it seems we may well have the group stages wrapped up early and have an excellent chance to get to the next round of the League Cup. Soldado has 3 goals and 2 assists, but it's not good enough. Lamela, not good enough with but one assist in 70 odd minutes. We can't change our stripes. AVB will continue to have a plan and stick to it and some Spurs fans will complain regardless of what is won. Mancini got City their title by playing all out against the lower lights and playing not to lose against the better teams. Hardly brilliant stuff. But it works. 5 clean sheets in 8. (10 in 13). Could be worse. We could be United. COYS
peterballb
We have the players to play the brand of football that we've been accustomed to over the years. The problem it seems is the lack of movement, we appear too static at times. The players need to move but not for move sake or to run around like headless chickens, but they must provide the player with the ball more than one option to pass. The problem at the moment is the lack of width in our play (apart from the right side so it seems) and which has received quite a lot of criticism, and quite rightly too. If you're going to play narrow then the fullbacks will need to take advantage of the space provided, but we have had problems on the left side which Topho has been banging on for ages. I think once we can get Lennon/Townsend or Lamela on the left side it will open up for us. COYS!
James1
Nice one, 123spurs!
neymar
peter...You appear to be missing the case in point..."Mancini got city their title by playing all out against the lower lights and playing not to lose against the better teams". The table does not lie...We are 5th, but what it will not tell you is the manner in which we achieved these points. At what point this season have we been going all out to win matches?, I am happy to be where we are, especially whilst in a transitional period, i will not, and refuse to, pretend that our performances have been great. Has anyone actually considered how yesterdays game may have panned out if Townsends cross did not make it into the far corner of the net. Because my eyes told me that prior to this moment we were nowhere near winning this game. Was AVB going to change things at some point?, or were we going to continue with the Laboured backwards and sideways passing in the hope that Villa would come on to us?. We need to make the first moves at times, we are 50% of a match, and what we do should have a bearing. Last seasons league finish was as a result of the Gareth Bale show in the latter stages of the season, it papered over the cracks, let's not make the same mistakes again this season, like it or not, lady luck has been our 12th man a lot of the time this season thus far. I'm very happy....Not, very foolish.
Cider spurs
Lol I love how posters find every little detail that is wrong yet they point out our position and results to that of luck??? Very factual... There is lack of understanding and human beings become resilient to anything they cannot grasp as they cannot find an answer so they make things up similar to that of 'luck' or 'fortune'. It's truly remarkable that the PL Title Holders were never given a hard time being 'lucky' as in the real world u make ur own luck with determination to succeed and hard work. I see a talented group of players lead by an inspired young man who are eager to prove they can mix it at the very top. There is a strong ethic and team togetherness and more importantly a strategic plan...
Mix26
typical moaners... one of our best prem starts, a host of new players adapting and lots of Spurs fans moaning. Same old same old... Can't we just have some PATIENCE for christ sake and give the team some time. 3 points of the PREM leaders and i have to read all these moany posts!!!
willfry
Hi Peter, 2 points per game at this stage I would have taken for sure before a ball was kicked in anger. AVB is getting some wrong I don't think it needs me or you to tell him, he is intelligent enough to work it out for himself. One think I like is that he is clearly looking at the next 3 or 4 games ahead and using the squad accordingly, yes we played some good stuff under Harry but come xmas most of the overused 12 or 13 were done. We are not doing badly and the best is to come. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
I am afraid some confuse effective with entertaining. You can be effective as George Graham's teams were at Arsenal, although not at Tottenham, by negativity and boring or sending people to sleep. You can also be entertaining as Roeder's team was at West Ham, and get relegated. Some teams build a reputation and a tradition as boring teams i.e. Tony Pullis's Stoke City, and any teams managed by Sam Allardyce or Martin O'Neil. We have a tradition built over many years, as an entertaining, attractive, attacking team. It is this that makes AVB's tactic of "possession for it's own sake", even if it means much of the ball movement is backwards or sideways with incisive forward movement unusual unless we get a ball carrier out wide, seem boring. This is what allows teams the time to retreat, and to defend in depth against us (some call it parking the bus). Teams that move the ball forward quicker like Arsenal. Chelsea, City and Liverpool suffer less from this problem. One only has to look at our GD and goals scored figures compared to our rivals to identify the tactical problem, I think we have the players, but fail to use them to maximum advantage. People can call Redknapp's team "headless Chickens" but they went from 2 points from the first 8 games of a PL season, into a team that reached the last 8 of the CL. I am not saying that overall we are not better off with AVB, particularly given the support he gets from the board, but it was nice occasionally to cut loose and bang in 5s as we did 4 times in all comps one season (2 in the league v Burnley and Hull, and 2 in CC v Doncaster and Preston), as well as famously hammering Wigan 9-1. Can we look forward to these performances even when this team "gets to know one another", unless there is a dramatic change in tactics and set up I doubt it.
Frank
Nonsense IY AVB is blind and needs all 3 eyes replaced!!!
Mix26
Mix26 you're right. You make you're on luck, I remember the story of the great golfer Gary Player, who as quoted as saying "The harder I practice, the luckier I get". Sums it up really. COYS!
James1
Cider.........Not, very foolish; I agree you're not, but what would u have avb do in this regard? the cracks u speak of? The cynicism...the unnecessary complains! Can't seem to see the 'solutions' you're bringing mate...ask yourself 'what do I bring to the table?' though last time I checked your coach, the ex-scout bought 7 players - supposedly for the "cracks". Alas... though you have my unwavering support - that, yer can take to the bank - anytime I look down the table and see yer lot above manUre ;)
HGH Magic
Everyone's talking about boring vs. entertaining football but I'd like to draw your attention to another aspect of the game: motivation. After what happened against West Ham you'd expect your team to go out and show some INTENT. That would at least indicate how motivated players are to bounce back from the bad result. Instead we get the same old drab and our only luck is that opposition is so poor they can't produce West Ham-2 so we survive. I don't always expect Tottenham to play like Borussia Dortmund but I'd definitely welcome a bit of urgency in their movement and spark in their eyes. After all if you're tactically set to produce a boring style of football then you should be aggressive enough to battle it out.
Moscovite
Mosco it's results like WH that makes fans panic and if our manager panicked we would have lost to Villa and tried to have too much INTENT...
Mix26
Mix....Do you believe we would have finished 5th last season if it were not for bale pulling us out of the mire a few times?. Do you believe townsends goal yesterday was meant? Do you agree that at times blatant penalties are not given, but on other occoasions they are harshly awarded?. Now i'm not professing that our league is ALL about luck, but i do believe yesterdays slice of luck with the goal, enabled us to play in a manner which looked like we were more capable of winning the game. A lucky goal changed the whole tactics of the game. I too see a talented bunch of players whom at present have not been playing to the best of their ability, with hard work and a bit of luck we are where we are, 2 penalties on another day may not have been awarded and a lucky goal that allowed us to start playing with a bit more verve, now if you cannot see that as an added bonus to the effort the lads have been putting in then all's good. However take the luck away and a minimum of 4 points then it would be ignorant to ignore. Look at the whole picture and how conclusions were achieved, you need a touch of luck in football, we are currently enjoying ours, i however can see past the all is well posts, and truthfully admit, at times luck has been on our side. If some equate that to me not loving my club or getting behind them, reality check, Luckily we're doing o.k. ;-0
Cider spurs
Cider spurs, you hit the nail firmly on its head.
Frank
The perfect article and response from the same dreary negative posters to sum up this moaning, whinging website. Record PL points last season, record start to a PL season this time around. For some reason its still not enough for some? A squad full of talent on the sidelines waiting to come in when injuries kick in: top class squad management. The emergence of Townsend as a truly great player. Soldado looks class. A manager who for once has a long-term plan and structure supported by his own man, Baldini to make us successful. Cruising into the Euro knock-outs in the spring and a relatively straightforward passage to the League Cup quarters. What a fantastic time to be a Spurs fan - until you come on here!
StillRickyVilla
I mean to be honest the only way we could have lost to Villa yesterday was if we stood still. They were totally impotent.
Moscovite
Frank the 4 and 5 nils will come, but do we want them at the expense of progress in our standing in the PL? I would take both but if I had to choose I would take steady progress and that is showing in that every team that we have played so far including Arsenal and Chelsea showing a lot of respect in playing defensive. Maybe that's the Italian in me talking, would I have taken Italy playing fantastic football every game an never winning anything? No, I would take some boring football an the 4 World Cups. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
SRV, are you convinced that our performances so far this season, in what has been the most friendly PL season yet, in terms of the fixture sequence, are likely to culminate in a top 4 finish, which following the massive player investment must be the minimum expectation. We should bear in mind that we are yet to win really convincingly, in fact 6 of our 16 points are as a result of 2 1-0 wins by penalties, and the fact that for the first time for I don't know how many years, we have lost 3-0 at home to a team from the lower echelons of the league table. I can't honestly remember the last time this happened, no doubt somebody will remind me. We will get a reasonable measure of where we will finish, how well we will do, in the fixtures in November v Everton, Man City, and Man Utd, genuine rivals for top 4,5 places. Hopefully we can improve on our total of 1 point from 6 so far against genuine contenders (1 against Chelsea, 0 against Arsenal).
Frank
I am almost taking a differing view, i felt the desire to play the ball out of the back every time in the first half, presumably in the need to be entertaining, could have cost us dear. I suspect AVB would like to play two wingers to supply crosses into Soldado. The intricate quick interplay passes into Soldaho will take time to develop
troffer2
We haven't scored 4 goals at home under AVB in nearly a season and half.....I should be looking forward to smashing Hull next week but is that going to happen.?. AVB needs a big win and against a big club (Utd) to balance out the boring 1,2-0's we've suffered,, either that or finish third, then you've got to say he's doing we'll.
T.H.F.Chris
Oh dearie me nothing changes much here does it! Thought I'd just point out that if we beat Hull next week with another "lucky" penalty we will definitely be 4th, or possible 3rd if Chelski and Citeh draw. 4th or 3rd after 9 games, 9 goals, 3 of them pens, and 3 points off the top! In fact, statistically its possible we might even be joint top. How will you guys deal with it? LOL.
jacobslad
Lol Cider I am blessed in the knowledge that luck is in fact not real mate... Luck is a made up word... I saw Townsend whip a ball in and 2 of our players just miss the flick on and the keeper caught flat footed... We have seen this happen in many a prof and amateur match so I can't agree with u... I would say that we have come across some GK's in very very good form as of a late so it's refreshing to know they all don't play absolute blinders against us. There is only a certain amount of forces that could inevitably move a ball in a certain direction and velocity, but when 'luck' becomes one of them I'll be sure to accept ur theory. As for Bale etc well I saw AVB grow a young talented player into a world class talent which is in the past. Rest assured AVB does not go out thinking we can win by luck, he is astute in game and has no need for the theory that is 'luck'.
Mix26
Frank - as someone said above, WHATEVER we do it will NEVER be enough for many on here. Its just different personalities. You can either constantly compare the modern team to the 'glory days' (and therefore be constantly miserable if we don't match up) or you can constantly focus on the negatives and what we should be doing next time, next week, next year rather than focussing on the present and what we ARE doing well! To me, many on here are simply blind to the fantastic run we are having under AVB. Too busy moaning about what should happen or what has happened to notice what is right in front of their eyes - that its brilliant times just NOW! Perhaps some on here should try it!
StillRickyVilla
MY Man of the match goes to SANDRO.He was immense & i`ve been crying for him all season,AVB never keep him on the bench again,unless he`s injured or fatigued.
Man love for Sandro,brilliant yesterday.
Big shout out to Townsend for waking the right side up which has been asleep for years.

Our biggest problem which is making us dire to watch is we congest the middle & build the play up so slow,we are easy to defend against.Everything is so stationary & it`s almost as if AVB has given his players strict instructions to maintain position & not bomb forward.This is playing into the opposing teams hands because we just simply do not attack in numbers.
Spurs are not taking risks,but this discipline is costing us.
AVB needs to allow the players to take risks because we look so concerned about conceding,we are also in the same moments stopping ourselves from scoring,the players are in a catch 22.The over cautious approach is not pretty viewing.
How many would lampard,Gerrard & Scholes get if they never neglected their position & never bombed forward ? Lampard is a genius at this.

IMO as we saw with the second goal yesterday,if paulinho was allowed more freedom then we could see more assists & goals from him.Give Paulinho that lampard license.

Best form of defence is attack,we seem to be neither here nor there.Ball is in the final 3rd & there`s 7-8 players behind the player with the ball,defend in numbers & attack in numbers.
Last 30 minutes Spurs were superb,they did this,but first hour despite winning,it was far too static.

IMO time to release Paulinho & become our lampard.
We sing what we want
Spot on StillRickyVilla. COYS!
James1
We've played entertaining football for 50 years and only got in the top European tournament twice.That's ridiculous for a club of our stature.I don't want to go back to the days of flamboyant attacking with ludicrous defending.Away from home especially you often have to grind out results.We must stay up with the front pack like the 10,000 metres and then come through on the final bend to get placed.Just like Mo!
Greavesaboveall
peter football is in the entertainment genre............ i think you are posting on the top of your game today Cider..... James1 you dont always make your own luck, how did Stoke make the luck not to get that stone wall penalty given against them at the weekend? Please explain that to me and I am with you mate..........Frank fixtures wise we have had a kind start and lay 5th and been lucky in at least two games to pick up two extra points IMO. We are not playing anywhere near as well as all the pomp on here suggested we would towards the end of the window, that is obvious. SRV mate if 5th is brilliant in your work what the feck is 1st? 5th is average in my world, it was last season and it is now at this stage in this season
tophobunty1
SRV it is a bit of a article that inspires moaning so there will be some negativeness from it which might not truly reflect the fans.... You mention glory days and even though I think we are a better team now Harry's side was pretty glorious, had he been given the cash, not bought old shi1 tits and not f6(ked up with England then winning through attacking football would have made a lot of people happy.... AVB's style is totally different, WHL is no where near as exciting now so winning is essential not a bonus, we are due a big win...
T.H.F.Chris
Mix...Refreshing to know that we can somewhat disagree to a point, but still keep it friendly. I know the lads are working hard, as is the manager. I'll forever cringe from now on whenever i hear the post match interviews include the "Luck/ Unlucky" comments. Theories aside, Who's on the Wings vs Hull.
Cider spurs
Topho, ok i will leave you to your pit of misery and negativeness until we finally come 1st then! For one, it might be a long time being miserable and secondly I would expect the likes of your good self to maintain your miserableness even if we did win the league as it was bound to have been done in 'not an attacking enough way' or we were 'lucky'! Funny way to leave your life being constantly miserable and negative but like i said it takes all different personalities.
StillRickyVilla
Get 72 points & miss out on CL? That`s bad luck.
Get knocked out of the CL because Chelsea win it ? that`s bad luck.
I hope this well owed good luck continues,but increase the tempo AVB.It`s a marathon not a sprint & with 8 teams going for top 4 this season,we must up our game.IMO Everton & Southampton look better than us,& Man Utd could find their mojo.David Moyes teams always have a better second half of the season.
i`m not so worried about how lethargic Spurs are,but how energetic & great to watch other teams are.
Spurs will lose too many games if they play like this more times than not.
We sing what we want
Totally meaningless, as many will find it, but the rolling last 38 PL games has ManU (1), Arse (2), City(3), and (wait for it) Spurs (4) as the top 4 teams.
jacobslad
SRV, the glory days i was referring to in my post, were only some 3 or 4 seasons ago, that included Bale's hatrick at the San Siro, and as I said Defoe's 5 goals v Wigan, and convincing wins v Hull and Burnley in both games scoring 5 goals, as well as others in the CC. The point I was attempting to make, is that I see it as unlikely that with his team set up, player selection, and tactics, that AVB will enjoy these results. I also remarked that I can't remember us losing 3-0 at home to a team from the lower reaches of the league before, can you. There was no mention of the "glory days", we won't go there, that is another story entirely. Of course WE will be sattisfied when we actually start to play like, and look like a team that has invested in 7 quality signings and has aspirations towards winning trophies etc. We have certainly yet to do that so far this season.
Frank
We sing what we want...You can't come on here and say things like that. "Spurs will lose too many games if they play like this more times than not". We're 5th don't you know, all through sheer determination and not a whiff of lady luck meandering through the team. Joint best league start, we're going places, don't be fooled by the slow, sideways, backwards chuckle brothers gameplay. we're bang on it, all the negativity, why?, look at how well we are playing, we can even ignore our record signing, play Siggy left. We can't lose games playing like this, we're 5th, table don't lie.....We are unplayable, aren't we?.
Cider spurs
SRV, I am sorry mate what is this pit of misery and neagtiveness you have in your mind? i dont mention it, but you do, why? i see continually seeking improvement as a totally positive approach. I am sorry you have such thoughts in your mind, I will stay positive in seeking improvement.....ps if you saw my pit you would see anything but misery....WSWWW, spot on again today mate, apart from the bit about how bad our rifgt side has been for the past few years...your old Lennon itis still there......
tophobunty1
StillRickyVilla If you read your own posts you`ll see your the most negative on here.
You fail to see all you`ve done is moan about moaners.Slated the article,which is a friendly one,you`re negative.

So instead of moaning about moaning & it`s so depressing,why are you moaning.Do you see the irony?
Same as when some come on & says "all insulting posters are (unts"
The pot & kettle on here is amazing.
The miserable ones are the ones who take it so damn seriously,it`s only a game ffs.We`re boring & all the positives & true Spurs fans have said nothing to counteract that argument.
Some just call a spade a spade instead of just looking at a game & saying "we won 2-0".But how selfish of some Spurs fans,only type what the true supporters want you to type.Now that`s sad
We sing what we want
tophobunty1 & Cider spurs.HA HA me bad.Call me Big cock if it`s easier.
More W`s than in a Chelsea stand otherwise :)
We sing what we want
Frank you are simply focussing on the negatives. I'm sorry its just the way your (and others) mind is working. ANYONE can criticise ANYTHING if they really want to. As far as i know there has never been a perfect team - In 1999 Man Utd were dire but for the last couple of mins when they won the CL - plenty to criticise there but actually it was their greatest moment in history! And now you are introducing hugely selective comparisons with Redknapp's era in a - picking out 2 or 3 great famous wins in a 3 year period and comparing them to now and using them to beat up AVB's present team. For every 'Defoe's 5 goals v Wigan' there was a '1-0 defeat at home to Wigan or Wolves'! You see you can twist it however you want to. For the love of god, just enjoy the fact we are doing well.
StillRickyVilla
So any game we have dominated possesion, restricted teams to two or three shots on target and taken three points its because the other team are rubbish or having a bad day. Really who have Villa, or Cardiff or the like beaten? But when we have a poor performance its tactical naviety by our coach. So in some peoples eyes everything we do right is down to outside factors and everything we do wrong has to be laid at AVB's door and no account should be taken of the other teams and managers attempts to stop us winning? I don't subscribe to the opposite view either but lets have a little bit of balance when we review our team, the table is an accurate log of performance and the league position reflects how we have performed: Very well but still room for improvement. three points off first, four points above United and 1 point off second. Everyone in the top eight have played the same number of games. We are starting to look more of a team, certainly there were flashes of great play yesterday. Wallking wounded returning to the squad have helped shore up problems - Sandro, Lennon. AVB playing Verts at LB would indicate that Noughton has shot his bolt as stand in LB but equally Fryers is not ready to make the step up to first team prem action just yet. Europa and cup games for Fryers for the moment. Noughton to be played as a back up RB (probably in the same games) Capoue to return, Chadli to return and Ade to return.
Slurms McKenzie
We sing what we want; probably just disappointed with myself for coming back on this website and being dragged right back down to misery with the 'its never going to be good enough brigade' after another great away win - the type of away game the old Spurs in the wind and rain would be almost guaranteed to lose! No bother - i'll leave you lot to your whinging!
StillRickyVilla
Some of the negativity is now directed at how much the team "cost". Because we spent big in the summer we are now, according to some posters, expected to finish in the top 4 as a minimum requirement. Or else. But, that sort of "logic" is swept under the carpet when we can only "draw" against Chelsea. But hang on how much have they spent?
jacobslad
I haven't been here for 2 weeks SRV, and like you what a mistake looking in on what is rapidly becoming a home for trolls and double posters.
jacobslad
no it isnt slurms, I think you are talking about management responsibilities though....unless you dont see that? There are some real positives, we have a great keeper, we have a very very committed right back who covers more ground than anyone on the pitch everytime he plays and offers great threat goind forward, we have one of the best CBs in the prem in Verts, genuine world class, we have a young left back who has really grown this season (Not in height) we have a top CB is waiting in Kaboul if he can get fit and another in Chriches who might prove to be a VERY GOOD right sided CB....we have a collection of strong technically gifted midfielders in Pauli/Dembele.Capoue and Sandro making us hard to dominate, we have some real creativity in Eriksen if we can get the ball to him quickly enough, we have the most dangerous player in the prem right now in Townsend, we have a proven in the box goal scorer added to our options from last season, we have a tried and tested dangerous wide man in Lennon, we have two back up forwards in Ade who can be world class if he ever choses to use his talent...we have so much positive stuff at our disposal, thats how I see it from my pit.....
tophobunty1
All good things come to he who waits. We will get better once the team truly gels and everyone starts reading from the same page. We still have to bed in these new players before we see "Tottenham" style football on a consistent basis. The players must start feeding Soldado properly and he will put the ball in the back of the net. Eriksen, lamella, Chadli, and Soldado WILL come good. Time is the master. COYS!
LongTimeSpursFan64
No coincidence either that when Lennon came on and we had two flying wingers we looked alot more threatening. Siggy as a stand in Left winger is admirable if lackign in ability. When rose played it gave him a little bit of cover but with a more defensive LB he was found wanting - as was the team when we had no threat from wide left. With Eirksen, Dembele, paulinho and Holtby on the books and Carrol to come back from loan I really don't see where Siggy fits in long term to the squad.
Slurms McKenzie
SRV is was an away win, it wasnt great, it was an away win.
tophobunty1
I have stated many times before that although i may have differing views and opinions on matters relating to players and performances etc, etc. I love, and support my club, and always will. Do not be fooled.

The football i have witnessed thus far this season has not been the easiest on the eye, pointless going over the reasons why again, OX has pretty much covered my thoughts at the top of the page, namely the article. Because at times my opinion does not match others, it does not make me right, however it does not make me wrong. I stand by my opinions (along with others) that we are playing very slow, sideways, backwards, unimaginative football, and, no denial, thus far we have been getting away with it. Luck, fortune, call it whatever, ignore it if you choose, but, unless this style of football is not addressed we will be found out.

Bale last season was the only reason we did not sit in our true league position come the end. I'm not here to tell all and sundry you are wrong, but i will pass on opinions on the way i see it. Do you honestly believe we can continue to play this standard of ineffective football all season and remain 3 points of eventual league champions?, surely not, and if you answer we can improve, have we from last season when Bale was masking the shortcomings. I'm more confident of holding a lead, but less confident of taking one. Bear in mind almost 1/4 of the season has been played out. When are these improvements taking place?.
Cider spurs
Jacobslad - i know the 'we've spent £100m so top 4 is a minimum requirement' really is another classic. That would be so if we ignore Chelsea and City (a billion a piece + wages to match), Man United (richest club in the world) and Arsenal (triple our revenues, wage capacity and been CL every single year and has anyone seen their midfield and strikers squad?!). That's even ignoring the fact we haven't spent a net penny because our only truly world class players have been sold and are now playing for Real Madrid and the fact we've had to re-integrate virtually a whole new team this season. Anyway i know i'm wasting my breath and time!
StillRickyVilla
Hahahahahahaha Cider I have only recently come to the whole luck is a made up word theory as it is with other words in our dictionary and I'm no expert on it but the longer I ponder over it the more it makes sense. The way i like to understand AVB is that he looks at a match and asses carefully where the opposition can firstly harm us or their threats and how we can stop them exploiting our weakness (eg Dawson). It's very evident in our game play that AVB likes to force the opposition to play their plan B early or at least frustrate them immensely. I take note of it and it is not the way I play football and nor the way I would either if I were a manager, but I don't dismiss the style or formation if the results are there.
Mix26
Topho it's a results business and everyone will have their own definition on Luck. I just go by what GP says, its not luck its hard work and determination that gets you results. COYS!
James1
jacob, we finished 5th last year 4th the season before... then invested 100 million in new talent this window, do you expect Levy did that to finish 5th this year? i would be so curious to understand what jobs posters on here do sometimes.
tophobunty1
Topho whats managements responsibility? Get the best team ont eh pitch together? Agreed with that, has it happened yet no probably not but then have they all been available yet? no probably not either, I would more or less agree with your assessment of our players. But the managers responsiblity is first and forempst to win the game, Newcastle proved you can't win anything by trying to out score the opposition but equally you can't win anything by just stopping the opposition scoring. We have been leaning a bit too much toward stopping the opposition then putting them to the sword. A safe and sensible apporach as new players adapt to the requirements of the league but with our more seasoned performers returning AVB needs to unshackle us a little bit more. Swapping Siggy for an actual winger will help this significantly. Sandro as the holding midfielder will free up Paulinho more and as he learns how effective Sandro is he'll become more adventerous himself. quick, slick passing released Soldado and is probably the hardest type of attack to defend, with eirksen, holtby, Paulinho, townsend, Lamela we have the players to do this.
Slurms McKenzie
jacobslad...funny way your mind works...ask google your questions if you can't get answers on here. Lol
HGH Magic
I think the simple problem is AVB doesn't yet know his best 10 outfield players. This will only come from the trial and error, he also has a squad capable of rotation in almost every position and every one of those players want playing time, this is basicly a new team and with the enforced breaks in play have still not had a decent ammount of time together as a team or for AVB to to make an informed decision on his best starting 11. I think this is probably a discusition we need to have at Christmas because it's to rely now. I for one am pleased with the way we are playing and the points amassed, it's far better than I expected with the changes made. I do know however that when this squad get used to the style of play in the EPL we can beat every other team out there. COYS!!
Supayid
Topho - LMAOo
HGH Magic
You weren't missed Jacobslad as you've obviously got nothing to say. SRV - I used to say tnat you were part of the Blind Faith Brigade - jam tomorrow. But now you think we are already brilliant - give those rose coloured specs a good clean if I were you.
love totty
Mix...Agree mate, i cannot dismiss the style if the results are there. My only concern being the lack of imagination at times, maybe it is already there in the way we set up to nullify teams, but i do wonder that if this style of play is to be the way forward, we are going to struggle to score and teams will find us all too predictable. The robustness we now have in MF is to be admired, i'm a greedy little beggar tho' and i seek a little more penetrative quick moving football. But that may come at a cost of the all conquering MF, so, yes, maybe better the devil we know. I understand how we have improved, but maybe a little change in tactics at times would also be beneficial when the blueprint is not working out. Great points return so far, well happy, room for improvement?, certainly.
Cider spurs
Topho, you just have to accept that there are other teams out there who want the same things. And there are at least 4 teams (probably 5 if you include Liverpool) who have greater resources and experience than us. That's not to say we CAN'T finish top 4 - but EXPECTING it is just another reason to make yourself miserable if we don't do it. Remember in the 2 times we finished 4th before - the first time Man City were only just emerging and even then we only just pipped them - the second time Chelsea had an absolute nightmare of a season in the league (admittedly it being due to AVB's disaster at Chelsea). We need one of the top teams to be slightly off their game - perhaps it might be Man United this season? I'd be surprised but there's a chance.
StillRickyVilla
James it can be both as has been illustrated this season in our results...
tophobunty1
Supayid, I accept your points in relation to the breaks in competitive games etc. Passing judgement on the team with a longer period of hind sight is a reasonable proposition if AVB had only joined the club but he has had one full season with the bulk of the squad under his belt, I would hope he had some knowledge of the type of player we were signing and gave his tuppenny ha'pence on where they would fit into his team. By the close of the trasnfer window he should have known who his best team was, availablity might have been a problem but selecting you best eleven should not have been. I am contented with our points haul so far. I am not happy with how we have played so far and I expect few people on here are really happy with our performances so far, there are signs that we are improving and gathering points while playing poorly is the mark of a great team, but a team of grafters will be found out soon enough (West Ham who played us at our own game for sixty minutes then switched things up). Yes AVB has toughened up the team, shored up our painfully leaky defence and solidifed our midfield so really he only has another third of the team to "Fix". the attacking element of our team are like my car at the moment - they are working but its not right! hopefully with a little bit of fettling and servicing it will be ticking along nicely again.
Slurms McKenzie
love totty - there are currently about 100 things to be optimistic about being a Spurs fan which i would list but i can't be bothered. There are about 3 negative things. My issue is the massively over-played importance attached by some posters to the 1 or 2 things that we need to improve upon. I wouldn't mind but there will ALWAYS be 1 or 2 things to improve! Even if we win the league i doubt it would be the perfect performance week in, week out. And so at what point do you lot stop moaning and actually start enjoying the Spurs?
StillRickyVilla
I think we got the most out of our squad last year, and i think we will do similar this year. We don't don't know how good the new players are going to be. We don't know how long it will take them to adjust. I am talking about Erikson, Lamela and Chadli for the most part. Neither of them have seen loads of minutes yet and they are very young. It's not the same as one proven, experienced, world class player going into a team like Ozil. The style we have seen with AVB since his reign won't change much imo. He has brought in certain type of players to play his way. It is now a mater of time. The quicker our new players find there feet individually and with the team, the sooner we will see just how free scoring we can be(or not). Obv players are still finding there feet because they are not playing, or are not good enough. Obv the latter would not be the case yet.
asherthesmasher
SRV - I guess some of us would like to appreciate and enjoy the 100 hours or so a season that we invest in watching our team play more than the fleeting euphoria of a trophy win. Both would be nice of course especially if one were to lead to the other.
love totty
SRV..I agree that there is most probably going to be negatives after every game, regardless of the result, misplaced tackle, poor positioning etc,etc. I do however feel the negativity being displayed as of late, is, as a result of the same listed problems week in week out with no great improvement. I do not feel this importance is being overplayed, more an ongoing concern which as of yet appears to show no improvement. Who knows, maybe this style is the way it is, the results are there, i don't think they will be if something is not remedied sooner rather than later. But, heyho, that's AVBs job, and he's the dude getting paid houses a week, so hopefully he's aware also. Nice to get it of your chest once in a while tho'.
Cider spurs
SRV - btw I totally agree with your remarks about the strength of our rivals, it's ludicrous to expect a top 4 as of right. We'll do well to repeat last year's results against the top teams so all the more reason to need convincing performances and results against the rest
love totty
Love totty, last season (and now this) you have spent the entire time moaning and nit-picking at AVB and our football. Last season was our most successful PL season ever and we had in our team perhaps the 3rd best player in the entire world. Yet the moaning continued. This season we've had a record PL start and are integrating a whole wealth of new exciting talent which bodes well for the future. Yet the moaning continues. All i see on here is moaning whatever we do.
StillRickyVilla
We are 5th in the table,in all the cups ,still have new talent to bed in.Enjoy guys these are the good times.Remember when we were always 12th and people called us the same old Spurs.Well we're not anymore.We are building something special now.Enjoy.
Greavesaboveall
Slurms I agree mate. great post.................SRV of course there are other teams out there who want the same things and always have, but none invested more than 100 mill this season so far to achieve that. Why would I expect us to finish top4? I am a spurs FAN. If i was Levy I would expect it after investing 100 million in players.
tophobunty1
Boring, boring negativity, from some Tottenham Hotspur supporters, does my head in. The truth is, we can't predict how the season will pan out. There'll be the good, the bad and the ugly. (Like most seasons). It is possible to be both a realist and an optimist. So, I will remain positive and believe things can only improve. Up the Spurs, AVB and all.
MAN ON!
SRV - sorry to correct you but last season we finished 5th and went out of both domestic cups early - a failure by AVB's own admission. But it was a decent attempt and no more than I expected as I often said. My reservations then as now is about style and doubts if it will bring any greater success than previously. Just a point of view which you may see as criticism but I see as critique. Viva la difference.
love totty
It's interesting to read that as a Spurs supporter I am supposed to be dissatisfied with, whatever or whoever. Mustn't grumble, as we'd say.
Airwave
SRV............."there are currently about 100 things...". No pal, make that a 100million pound worth of.... LoLest
HGH Magic
MAN ON! you're the MAN :) COYS!
James1
HGH Magic, I'd say pretty good business considering how much we got for Bale and the 7 we bought.
MAN ON!
StillRickyVilla I`ve liked reading your posts for years.But the fact is when other posters knock another poster for what he`s posted,then that poster may not come back.
Who is anyone to have a pop at post that may lead to that poster not returning?
Do you want frank to stop posting?(example)

Spurs fans like to come to forums to express their concerns,but those concerns should not be posted with fear & possible attack.
This should be a forum of free speech,an opinion right or wrong is NOT bringing down the forum.

Whether a pessimist or a optimist,sitting on the fence,stubborn or just stuck in their ways.Fans are fans & IMO fans having a constant pop at anothers fans opinion,is the worst of all fans.
Far too much of it goes on here & stops people coming on here to vent their frustration,say what they`ve got to say,or just come out & randomly get something off their chest.

Arguing is great,entertaining,i love it ,but ffs do it with a respect of the other persons right or wrong opinion.
We sing what we want
I dont think anyone on here is saying this wasn't a great result, and resultswise this season so far has been good, but there's a difference between a good result and a good performance. Spurs have already been known as a great football playing team , but this has changed so much under AVB, he is producing a more solid team, just one that isn't as easy on the eye as what we have been used too. I can't see what is so wrong with being honest with the display we have shown this season, while acknowledging the good results we've had.
Fletch
MON ON!.......well, maybe so; but will the Ciders and the SRVs of this site stop moaning AND counter-moaning for once? Doubt it.
HGH Magic
Cider, I don't think I have missed the point at all. AVB is not building a team to play differently against different teams. He is building a team that will play the same way, every game, giving us a chance to win titles and cups. That is the point, isn't it? Winning? I can argue with what players I would have selected on any given day, but let's face it, the players that were played against West Ham were good enough to get the three points. They just didn't.

I'd also like to pooint out that all of this money invested argument (ie, we have spent this much on players so we should be succeeding) is a bit of a red herring, unless people believe that in losing players like Bale, modric, VDV (140M worth of talent) plus the loss of King, amount to nothing. We can all probably agree that we have not signed another like for like Bale, or Modric, or VDV. We hope that Lamela, Eriksen, Townsend, Holtby or Capoue winds up being that player, but it is till early days. 5 clean sheets in 8 and 10 in 13 in all competitions suggests something is going right. We are scoring in the cups. The League, scoring wise, remains an issue. But then Rose, Townsend, Paulinho, Eriksen, Chadli, Soldado, Chiriches, and others are still getting used to each other. Just look at how Townsens's game has improved over the last three matches. He has been much more aware of the players around him and has started sensing when to track back. Huge difference and he played half a season in the EPL as a regular starter. Lamela has 70 minutes. Capoue and Chadli have been injured. Eriksen looks to be still getting a feel for the pace and strength of the game. Soldado is showing he is getting it. It just takes time folks. If we can average 2 points a game while players get in to the swing of things, 2014 will be a very exciting year. cOYS
peterballb
HGH...moaning?, really, who me?, nah!!. No-one playing over on Vital Russia today?.
Cider spurs
Cider spurs Some don`t know the difference between moaning & someone who talks sense.
Like i said,in the end fans will be scared to post their thoughts,that`s sad.
We sing what we want
peterballb, you are the voice of good reason.
MAN ON!
Peter...You crackin me up pal!!. You can't just skate around the fact that "the players were played against West Ham were good enough to get the three points.they just didn't". that backs up my arguement somewhat, for you commented how Mancini led Citeh to the title by playing all out against the lower teams and not losing to the better teams. You state he is building a team to win titles and cups, why are we struggling so much against the lower teams then, and as for the all out against the lower teams and how it is simple but effective. W.Ham and a few other lacklustre performances suggest it is not as simple for us. Maybe, just maybe a change in tempo, wingplay once in a while will see us actually achieve more than the ground out results we are currently experiencing. glad for the results, but do not think we can rely on this style of football for the whole season. what say you?.
Cider spurs
Love Totty, last season WAS our most successful PL season ever - you can't control what the other teams did (your point re.placings) - they just did even better. It wasn't AVB's fault that Arsenal went on a ridiculous run and pipped us. We did our job - and some. A record points total - better than we could ever have expected. We Sing What We Want, point taken. I think the nature of the site just lends itself to coming on and venting frustrations and you are right everybody will have a different take on things depending on how they see reality. But for me the whole site just brings me clattering down at a time when i'm really enjoying supporting Spurs - so it gets frustrating when i allow myself on here!
StillRickyVilla
*MAN ON!*. We sing what we want - very true buddy; feel your pain, angst and all, but how about you just ignore those guys, and sing, er, post what you want anyway, without let or hindrance, while the pathological moaners & counter-moaners/moaning police, as it were, do what they're best at?
HGH Magic
Slurms- I hear you but his knowledge of his in coming players was based on recommendation, watching videos, reputation and maybe watching 1 or 2 of them play. None of which were in the EPL. The EPL is more physical and less technical than a lot of leagues as I'm sure you are aware, so incoming players need to adapt to this style not to mention the language barrier. On the basis 7 new players arrived AVB has a new team to asses, AVB would never have known his best 11 at the close of the window simply because he had never seen the squad play together. I could pick the best team on paper but until they have got used to each others play I doubt it would be the best starting 11. Regardless of his time as manager AVB must have felt like he himself was new on the training ground the first day. All I'm saying is we need to give it time to gel the talent is there as is the management, we will know more by Xmas but I don't see trophies or titles this season.
Supayid
Lol Cider...........Russia? Really? Where your sense of humour, wit and good reason get frozen up? Nah mate, not good for yer ;)
HGH Magic
HGH Magic, call me what you like. Just don't call me MOAN ON!
MAN ON!
I love a good sensible moan. Seriously tho' Big C, kinda find it strange that all find it so negative when some actually are posting a more reflective account of current state of team than those who just appear to look at league table. Don't touch the cooker hob it's hot....Don't touch the cooker hob it's hot....OUCH !!..."Oh yeah, you were right". I don't even come on here to be considered right, and certainly not to persuade anybody to follow my train of thought, but a realist i am, and i will not defend my love for Spurs again today just because some feel i am not as positive about the gameplay as of late and feel that it needs tweaking. I've not come on here and pulled players performances apart. Honesty is the best policy, no suprises, we all know where we stand. Love Spurs, Love the Manager, love the fact we have 16 points with a new team bedding in. Hate the boring clueless football at times. Does appear too negative at all really does it. Now what you lot all moaning about?. ;-)
Cider spurs
love totty, we did go out of both domestic cups early last season, but got one round further in each than the previous season. I think we are handling the Europa in a much more professional manner (hopefully we can rest players before the two important League matches before matchday 5 and 6 in Europa). Cups can often take turns that are unexpected so, even though the next match in the League Cup is one we should win, you just never know. That said, we look a much stronger cup side and are three points out of first after 8 games. We'd have all taken that on day one of the campaign. COYS
peterballb
Sorry SRV, but your point is meaningless as you rightly acknowledge that it is a competition with other teams - was it just our luck then that the teams we played gave us the points? On a further point of order, it was only a record points haul because we didn't need to beat Burnley on the last day of our most successful season when we finished 4th and qualified in 09/10. If you don't like debate don't post rubbish.
love totty
Cider, every top team drops poits that they should not. Every top team. The question at the end of the year that is answered in the table is generally which of the top teams lost the fewest. City have already dropped points away fro home that they should not. United are bleeding points. Chelsea have dropped "winnable" points too. What you call lacklustre were matches where we controlled the game. Yes, we could have been hit by a sucker punch, but the reality is, we gave up very few opportunities and, to be fair, could have scored a bunch more. 4 posts and two crossbars suggest that there were more goals to be had. Wing play is great. When will we have the wingers stay out wide. Again yesterday, there was a perfect chance for Townsend t pull the pull the ball back to a wide open Soldado instead of fizzling the cross through the box. Bale used to do this all the time too. Now, my hope is that with Lennon fit, we'll have two wingers that can get to the byline with pace, cut inside, use the FB's overlap and take players on. This should free up space for eriksen and soldado. I believe that Townsend is starting to get what Soldado is doing, and vice-versa. That can only bode well. Lennon, IMO, would have cut that ball back the other day, rather than fizzle the cross. It's experience and comfort. It'll come. Patience is required. COYS
peterballb
Sorry Peter but you're missing the point that I and others are putting forward. We worry that AVB is turning us into a boring team to watch whilst still not giving us the convincing victories we need to reach the next level. We hope we're wrong and I for one will be more than happy to eat a Desperate Dan sized humble pie if he turns it around but to say all is well now is not credible. Even Hod the God says we are pedestrian and predictable.
love totty
Being a realist, i would be very surprised if we secured top 4 this season, hurts me to say, but i feel that there is just too much upheaval all at once to see anything other than top 4 being an outside chance at best. Upheaval was needed, so not much we could do about it, too many players last season were playing in matches when they were really only meant to be squad players. Only 3-4 champs league quality. Highest points return granted, team game i know, but c'mon admit it, a lot was down to the Welshman. Harry could not be trusted with the wedge, so in reality, we had to invest heavily in alot of talent this season. In terms of football, we look stronger in MF, about the same creativity wise and so far solid at the back. So the big question will be, are the players we HAD to sign make us a better bet than last season for reaching the top table and Champs league?, i suggest they are, but next season as opposed to this one, hence my frustrations coming to the fore at times, going to be so hard this season, we do not need any reasons to make it all the more harder for ourselves.
Cider spurs
love totty, you can't have it both ways. Fact is, it was our highest points total. We were not mentally prepared for the Burnley game. AVB got more points than any other PL Spurs team. He did that having lost Modric and VDV and had King retire and no Adebayor for most of the season. I'm not an AVB apologist. we could have done better. But then, Harry could have done better each of the three previous years too. All that matters are titles and trophies. Of course CL is better than Europa and Europa, IMO, is better than only being in three competitions. My minimal expectation last year (as it is this year because of all the comings and goings) is Europe by table position and further progress in the cups. Way too early to espouse the greatness of the season or to slag anyone off. Three points out of first. That too, is fact. Lots more points will be dropped by those in front of us and those immediately behind us. If we drop fewer of those points, we'll finish in the top 4. City and Chelsea play this weekend. We win and they draw and we will be third irrespective of other results. Win at Sheriff on Thursday and we'll be pretty much assured of winning the Europa group. AVB is doing this right. He deserves our support. We don't have to agree with all that he does, but we should agree he did a great job last season. COYS
peterballb
love totty you really are saying it as it actually is and yes Mr Hoddle agrees to and sees the same, because it's there. its not opinion, its actually happening. It a bit obvious all this stuff to have such a long thread with a counter "argument" ..... we are scraping through and not playing too well notwitstanding having so much ball. Not pleasing on the eye and tactially puzzling at times. I still think Siggy is AVB's sister.
tophobunty1
Peter...That's all i was seeking, an admisssion from somebody, anybody that not all aspects are great, and that some things need improving. My bug bear is lack of movement, slow tempo and Inverted Wingers. I think all areas will be improved but at present it is not great. That is all i have said from the outset, but some equate this to negativity. I do often write positive comments and will do so frequently again.
Cider spurs
Hoddle has also said some very positive stuff about the future of Spurs.
MAN ON!
love totty, not missing the point at all. Table, Cups have no pictures associated with them in the annals of history. You won, or you diid not. Whether it looked good or not means nowt. Ask Chelsea about their CL win or their europa win. Both pretty ugly by any accounts, yet they still won. Harry played swashbuckling, who give a toss about a plan footie, but how many titles or trophies did it net us? He threw away a great opportunity to win an FA Cup because he couldn't be bothered playing the team against us. Instead, as often he did, he let the lads run around a bit. The results were same old same old, despite the amount of talent that that squad had. We now, IMO, have even more squad talent, and AVB is using it. It will pay dividends down the stretch when our best XI still have something in the tank. We mock Arsenal for being a team that just focuses on top 4 with really no other success at all, yet that is what I hear people suggesting we do. You either win, or you lost. This is professional sports, not horseshoes. We are predictable. So are Chelsea, Arsenal, United, Liverpool. The only team that is not is City, and they have a huge dollop of Jeckyll and Hyde in them. If we only concede 24 goals, I'm pretty confident we will be in the top 4. There will still be bumps, but there will be very few nights where we do not control the match. Had Defoe scored (when he should have) West Ham would have gone down too. Soldado scored where Defoe did not. That is the difference. AVB got that selection wrong. I can't complain about many others regardless of whether I would have done differently or not. COYS
peterballb
ROTFLOL MAN ON! Trust me mate, that crossed the mind when I was making that correction! Lol ;)
HGH Magic
I wondered when Hoddle's comments would be brought up. So are we saying bring back Hoddle as manager - as he clearly knows better than AVB? How did his reign as our manager work out then? He had his chance remember (and failed miserably). Lets just trust AVB in what he is doing - as he clearly knows what he is doing. And he knows a million times more about our strengths and weaknesses than any of us do. My big fear - as it was last season - is that there are STILL certain sections of the support who can't wait for him to fail - and as soon as we lose a few in a row (god forbid we have the audacity to do that!) the man will be hounded out like Jol was. And its back to square one. For the first time ever i feel we actually have a plan and we are getting the foundations right.
StillRickyVilla
Peterb - I certainly agree that AVB did as much as could be expected last year points wise. But I hoped he would be more expansive this year than so far shown given the investment in new talent. Some say it's only a matter of time (aspiration), others believe better could have already been achieved (evidence). You take your pick.
love totty
SRV - I quote Hoddle as a respected pundit. Who knows what he might achieve with Spurs now. I think I'd rather have Baldini than Pleat in my corner and have £100m to play with. Lack of results versus expectations get managers sacked not comments on blog sites.
love totty
Spurs are now making some of the boldest moves I've seen of any modern day football club. I really can't be bothered to explain why but, I for one, am excited about the future. Patience will be a virtue. I could be wrong, I could be right. I'm off to see PIL! COYS!
MAN ON!
It's good that Spurs are doing well even though we are not firing on all cylinders. To me that's a sign of a very good team and shows a lot of character to bounce back. COYS!
James1
Cider, this is something that I've been saying since even before the season started, that the upheaval of integrating so many new players at once is bound to affect our results and performances. Given the nature of integration upheaval is front loaded; worst at the start and then getting gradually better, give or take the odd bump here or there. And yet, as we've negotiated the roughest part of the integration process, we've found ourselves yo-yoing between 2nd and 7th to currently lie 5th, just 3pts and goal difference off of top spot. As I say, there'll be troughs and peaks in the future too, but the longer the players are together, the better integrated they will become and the better the results will be. Just as none of our rivals haven't had the integration to contend with, neither will they have a better and better integrated team to look forward to. And, it is at the end of the season, not the start when the benefits of a deep squad become apparent. There's no denying we've been eye-stabbingly boring to watch at times, but that shouldn't make us blind (do you see what I did there?) to the fact that things will, inevitably get better.
darkenvai
Ignore the double negative, that's just me being continental
darkenvai
peter...........blimey, what are you saying mate? Nice totty, keep 'em quotes coming by all means, though I guess we can all agree Hoddle wouldn't necessarily surpass whatever avb is 'achieving' now, no? For what is worth tho, be sure punditry and day-to-day club mgt ain't by any stretch of imagination or hallucination the same cup of tea.... Keep 'em coming nonetheless; I'm lovin' it ;)
HGH Magic
Dark - what inevitability of getting better? Who's to say that the players won't lose heart if not getting game time or results disappoint? Carpe diem. I believe the window of opportunity for AVB as all managers in this results driven business is very narrow. Getting 4th would be a remarkable achievement this year and failing that should not be terminal for AVB. But also failing to please the fans with exciting football will. Mark my words.
love totty
Good enough for you HGH? :)
love totty
Love totty, while we invested in players, we were forced to sell even more in value, so the investment, as I have said, is a red herring. Where I will agree is that the 100M GBP we have spent will, in the future, look so much better than the 100M GBP we sold. It does not take away from the fact that Modric, VDV and Bale are all gone and theirs are huge boots to fill. Give them time. How did Bale look at 21? VDV? Modric? Paulinho, Sandro, Lloris, Vertonghen, Soldado, Lamela, Eriksen are all top players. Townsend is showing signs of breaking through. Rose has been nowhere near as bad as some suggest. We have a good squad that will soon be a great squad. COYS
peterballb
Peterb - again you are missing the point. I know we have a great squad of players with even greater potential individually. It it the team I worry about and how it is developed into a unit that can put three or four goals past vastly inferior opposition regularly. I rarely criticise players and only if they let themselves down. They don't pick themselves.
love totty
I for one dunno AVB's philosophy - if he has one in the first place or something - as this job, apart from the truncated Chelsea one he was making a meal of, is the first time he's truly BUILDING a team of his own...of his own image. Forget the Porto side he met as they were a ready-made team he 'autopilot-ed' for just 1 year; one thing seems apparent so far: you lot won't be scoring 'too' many goals in the PL anytime soon, at least not until the perceived tactical 'shackles' on Pauline and others are unlocked! Quote me
HGH Magic
Pretty much totty...or would u rather have 'Arry back?!?
HGH Magic
Can some1 pls educate me on AVB philosophy? Any some1, that is - from the moaners, thru the placid fencers to the countermoaners?
HGH Magic
Things are never black and white are they? Our results against our rivals last year were very creditable. Clearly AVB instilled great self belief and resilience which meant we went into those games with no fear. Arguably the style was forced upon him by the loss of Modric and VDV. The downside was and still is apparently that we can't pick up the tempo and create the sort of chances that yield the goals galore a really top side can.
love totty
Love totty - who's to say that a big hole in the ground won't open up and swallow them all whole? But back in the real world, the players will have more time to get to know each other, to understand the coach's plans, to have their debut start in the Prem if they're Lamela to acclimatise to the life in England, if they're from abroad. The list goes on, but all of the things that are difficult when a disparate bunch of players come together for the first time will, inevitably, get easier the longer they spend training and playing together.
darkenvai
love totty, all I'm saying is that it is way too early to be able to say definitively what any of these new pieces will add and how the old pieces will react to them. There is a lot of talent in this squad. The more they play together, the more they will learn each other's games. Eventually, I expect that this will result in a much higher level of creativity going forward while keeping it tight at the back. Where there should be more results is in set piece attacking and defending. That is where I feel we let ourselves down. When teams set themselves up to defend 11 behind the ball, they will generally succeed. To what degree is usually dependant upon how disciplined they remain and how much fortune they enjoy. This has been a problem for some time. I think Soldado, Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli, Paulinho, Townsend, Sigurdsson and others, have the ability to turn this in our favour. We must take our chances though. COYS
peterballb
No HGH, we don't want 'Arry back or AVB out. He has a great pedigree but is short on experience. We want him to learn quickly and respond positively to criticism. I acknowledge that his year at Porto was not exactly challenging as they have won the last 6 or 7 Portugese titles bar one I think, but he has great potential if only he isn't too stubborn to vary the approach when necessary.
love totty
HGH, as I see it, AVB is using the high line and a proper sweeper keeper to push things further up the pitch. Not that it can't be beat, but that it requires precise execution to pull it off and the odds suggest that will be fairly rare. When breakdowns occur, we have a top keeper in net to make saves to bail players out. It starts from the back and then moves forward through a controlled build-up. Keep the ball (the Italians have been doing it, to great success for decades), dominate possession and the MF and have players, up front who can beat guys. Chadli, Soldado, Eriksen, Lamela, Townsend, Lennon are all capable of doing this. Players like Sigurdsson and Paulinho are the guys that just get in to the right place at the right time while possession the skill to score or set up a teammate. The problem is, Chadli, Lennon have been injured. Lamela, Chadli, Eriksen have not been played enough. Townsend is starting to get it. Soldado has been isolated but is sorting it out. It's coming. Just don't expect 9-1 games because, as Martinez acknowledged, that was a huge mistake on his part. Teams play us very conservatively, both at home and away because they know that if they open up too much, they will get killed. Our possession play beats teams up just as a heavyweight champ would do over the first 10 rounds of a 12 roud fight. It's all investment while trying to keep it tight so we don't get hit. Our away record last season and our late goals to get points all showed that this works. It is working this season too. Just not very sexy, YET. It will come. COYS
peterballb
I hope the performances improve soon. For the first time in 30+ years of supporting Spurs I'm actually starting to fall asleep during games. The fact that we are getting results seems pyrrhic, and I can't come to terms with how I feel regarding the frankly insipid, soporific performances dealt out by the team on a weekly basis. I started to support Spurs based on the quality of the football they played and their traditions of entertainment, flair and fair play. if I wanted to win at all costs I could have supported Pool or United. What really counts is winning with integrity and that is the only way I can be truly proud of my club. It's frustrating to see such performances by the team as we have some real talent here at the moment, players who could really win with style. They are just being shackled by some weird team selections and tactics perpetrated by a manager who I don't feel is really sure of himself in this league at this moment in time. Hopefully he will become bolder as the season wears on, otherwise we won't get 4th.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Peterb and Dark - it seems that I put much more emphasis on the here and now that you do. The future IS unpredictable though I'm not sure about the hole in the ground opening up :). Points dropped while this "gelling" takes place will have an effect for sure and if we lose contention.........
love totty
love totty, the here and now says that we have given up 5 goals, 3 in one game in 8 PL matches. 5 clean sheets. In all competitions 10 clean sheets in 13. Clearly, in the here and now, the system is working. Yes, we need to score more. I would argue that the large number of new players is causing some of the lack of precision up front. If Bale were sill here, Lennon and Sandro healthy from the off, I believe we would have seen more goals both from open play and from set-pieces. Look at Soldado's reaction when Townsend fizzled that cross through the crease when he had checked his run to lose his marker. He was wide open. I'll bet Lennon would have cut it back (Defoe does the same as did VDV). I'll also bet that Townsend will cut it back next time. We are 8 games in and 3 points out of first plus GD. We have an excellent opportunity at the weekend to get back in to the top 4. That is the here and now. COYS
peterballb
Cleveland, unfortunately, the more you move up the ladder, the more losses hurt. Thus, you get much more of what you consider insipid performance. It is a tactical chess game. We wear teams out. The fact AVB is doing it in all games annoys a lot, but his approach is consistent. I'd love us to score tons of goals. If we lost out to GD I would have a freak out. But then, I also realize that the teams that concede the fewest goals tend to be the title holders (or very close). West Ham was an abherration. The one goal was dumb luck. The first goal could easily have been called back. It was one of those days. We have a lot less of them now than we did just three years ago, when we seemed to have a lot of those days. COYS
peterballb
Love totty - nothing wrong with being grounded in the present, but nobody ever won the league or qualified for CL in October, and you'd have to be a lot further off the pace than we are now, to be out of contention. At this stage last season we were 8pts behind the league leaders, who didn't go on to win it. This time we are 3pts behind the league leaders, who aren't going to go on and win it. The future is unpredictable, but I bet I'm not wrong on that ;-)
darkenvai
@Peter. I can handle the losses, I can handle not finishing in the top 4, I don't demand that the players + management team achieve a minimum each season. All I hope for is that they perform to the best of their abilities and to produce some excitement for the fans. We all have our ideas of where we feel our squad should or could finish. Right now I feel we are 1 of 7 teams who are capable of finishing in the top4. At the moment we are competing. However, I can't handle the dire, boring performances, especially against teams who we should be able to dominate. Generally performances and success go hand in hand. People keep saying that we are due to give someone a good thrashing soon, they said that last season and we didn't, and it could just as easily go the other way. I don't feel that we do wear teams out with our possession as we generally only have it in our third + the MF areas. Villa sat back and were quite happy for us to have it there. They broke with purpose and were it not for a block by Daws in the first half, probably would have taken the lead. When Benteke came on he had a free header from 6 yards out to make it 1-1. The thing is at that at 0-0 or 1-0 teams are always in with a chance and in the PL will always get chances to score. It's not like Italy or Spain. We've kept clean sheets but at the expense of scoring at the other end + the expense of entertainment. football is supposed to be about entertainment for the masses who pay to watch it, otherwise what's the point in paying £800+ for a season ticket if you are going to be bored stiff every home game. Might as well go to a Lady ga ga concert instead. Football is becoming like Formula 1, boring, predictable and dominated by only a few teams. Never thought I'd see a Spurs team go down the boring route though.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
As someone who duly pays for his season ticket year in year out I have not got bored by our football. Nor have I heard any fellow ticket holders expressing any boredom, some of us understand that Rome let alone Tottenham wasn't built in one day, some of us remember Ardilles's team, exciting to watch, but not quite enough if I remember right.....
ItalianYiddo
Uhmm peter, you'd agree there's no point being overly optimistic and coming off as simplistic - er, your heavyweight champ analogy, and all - when realities on ground, in the here and now, are glaringly different and suggest difficulty; the gameplay, key passes, chances created per game etc. matters too...and goals for you are at a premium nowadays. Hmmm.... Love totty - Well, maybe he's stubborn 'cos he learnt from a Special stubborn one?!
HGH Magic
ok guys so how did this end up ? a draw and we finish 5th?
tophobunty1
@Italian, Fair play, if you are happy with the football that's your prerogative, I don't have any problems with that. I want to watch the beautiful game. when I think of the great players, I think of guys like, Zidane, Maradonna, Ronaldo, C. Ronaldo, Bergkamp, as well as our own such as Hoddle, Waddle, Ginola, Gazza, Berba and Bale. I'm not interested in watching 10 Leon Brittons pass the ball backwards and sideways for 90 minutes. It may be a game of chess, but chess isn't much of a spectator sport. Football is losing its magic. Tikki tikki takka dakka and park the bus are ruining the sport. It's all about win at all costs and fear of failure. Managers know that if they have few bad results they are gone. It's not about building Rome in a day. There is no reason why with the players we have we can't play a more expansive, exciting game, even for part of the match. The talent is there, just not the will at the moment, and that is down to the collective vision. Two weekends, two PL matches, same kind of performance, different result shows that the tactics that we are currently employing put the game in "the lap of the Gods". We are not as dominant as some may think.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Hehehe Cleveland, what a metaphor..by "lap of the Gods" you mean autopilot, luck, fate or something?
HGH Magic
Something like that HGH
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Cleveland, I appreciate good football as much as anyone, but we need to get some perspective on this, we have a lot of new foreign players to bed in together with the pressure of top four expectation. Can you imagine if we lost most of our games 5-4 trying to be entertaining and be second or third from bottom? How many people on this site would be approving?
ItalianYiddo
I think if anyone is dissatisfied with AVB’s tactics then you have just got to get used to it. He is not going to change. I am sure if Levy offered him Messi and Ronaldo he would take them. I like the end to end stuff but only when I am a neutral not supporting either side. I like AVB’s cautious approach, I like the idea of the opposition not getting the ball, it wears them out and pi$$es off their supporters . We had one world class player last year, developed into world class by AVB, someone who can score world class goals by playing him in a position that gives him the opportunity to do it, instead of being double marked on the wing. Turned him from a 40 to an 85 million pound player and consequently enabled us to strengthen the squad. Hopefully the strength of the squad and the style, (which will improve with time) we play will produce a strong 2nd half to the season. If it doesn’t I will have to apologize to the greater footballing brains on here.
matt hoten
Only time will resolve this discussion and somebody will have the pleasure of saying I told you so. I hope that it is not me.
love totty
Ox, If I may just sneak in a late post re this article!... Brilliant article and an excellent debate. Exactly what a forum should be all about. Enjoyed reading both sides of the argument. It would be a shame if some the posters took is personally and chose NOT to engage in these forums. COYS!
Critical_Spur
I agree with the pure Tottenham football posters on here who want to see the game played in the best possible style. But I do recall the Special One winning lot's of silverware at the Bridge not playing a purist style of football. Arsenal have played the best football this season which I hate to admit, but for all the excitement their team has created this season, they are only 3 points above a not quite together Tottenham Hotspur team having already beat us? It's a funny old game! This has been a great debate Ox!
pelebro
Gotta agree pelebro - it has...in fact, too great to be true; wish coopsieyid and Ian were here... ;)
HGH Magic
Matt you have posted the most worrying scentence on here and you may just have described a huge weakness we have. I tend to agree with you, but I hope you are wrong and he has an open mind on doing what's best for Spurs, not his own mindset........................."I think if anyone is dissatisfied with AVB’s tactics then you have just got to get used to it. He is not going to change.""""""""" if that's true we should all give up now.
tophobunty1
Brillant Posts Cleveland ....
Fletch
Brilliant observation Fletch ....
HGH Magic
Cleveland, I don't recall anyone saying we were going to give anyone a thrashing last season. Defoe was our striker. We all hoped that Adebayor would come back, score a few and set up a few. Never happened. But for Bale, any attack ended in the final third as there was no one to get on the end of crosses and no one to score goals. But for Sigurdsson and Dempsey picking up the slack, we did not offer very much. This season is entirely different. We do have scoring options and when all of Lamela, Chadli, Eriksen, Soldado feel comfortable, goals will go in. lennon will make a huge difference too. We don't lack in the creation of chances. Walker, Rose, Townsend have all thrown in lots. We just need guys to get comfortable with what the other players are doing.

Part of the reality is that teams come to WHL (even the good ones) to park the bus. It's the only way to keep the crowd out of it and to swing momentum. They are playing a system. If the players in the system stay disciplined, it takes a moment of brilliance to score. That's what we are up against. On the road, things are easier because the home team feels the pressure to entertain. They are thus easier for us to break down. Our away record under AVB is very good because our away fans are fabulous and help the lads take advantage of the restless home fans. We are a very tough road team. We need to get better at home, but I believe a lot of that will come with familiarity. None of that will stop teams parking the bus. In fact, it will make them more resolute to do so. I don't expect we will thrash anyone at home. Away is another thing. We have scored 17 while conceding none in the cups, so we do have the ability to score. We are just not there yet in the PL, though our defence is pretty solid regardless of competition. COYS
peterballb
Topo, I do have one nagging doubt that you may be totally right about AVB, thats frightening as well. Lets keep the faith and see what happens.
matt hoten
Love Totty I have to say your posts on this article together with those of Cider and tophobunty are absolutely spot on. Incidentally any Spurs fan who criticise Glen Hoddle's tactical knowledge and grasp of the technicalities of football, must be deluded, he was a genius on the pitch, and is a very astute student of the game off it. He has never relied on an I-Pad and a clip board, he doesn't expect players to do anything he hasn't done himself, probably better than them. On TV debates he and Gary Neville are the only two "pundits" talking sense, on any channel.
Frank
 

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