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Boring Boring Tottenham Hotspur?

I have to confess to finding much of our play under AVB as being a little dull. Lacking both pace and imagination at times. Perhaps it is me that is at fault, as I am now too settled in the high tempo 100 mile an hour stuff of the English game and anything else is boring and slow. In truth, I'm not sure this is the case, as I love nothing better than to see vision and creativity, but that is perhaps the problem in that we are still lacking those qualities and all too often are still too predictable in our play, which makes it all the worse, when it is slow and ponderous, as we saw for much of yesterday.

When the football world drools at the beauty of Arsenal's play and goals, whilst we are praised for a usually solid defence, but have only scored at an average of a Premiership goal a game in our eight games, it may be our joint most productive Prem start in terms of points, but for me and I'm sure many others, it isn't pretty too watch and if I'm honest, I can't claim to be enjoying our early season 'success' as much as I would like.

I might be expecting too much too soon, as our new boys have only just arrived and developing a team to play fluent football, whilst retaining a top four challenge is very very difficult, and I assume it will get better given time, but so far, I am mildly impressed. but barely entertained, aside from the odd moment or period of magic. What frustrates me more is that I believe we have the quality of player, so is it the tactical restraints and disciplines that are the problem? Again it may well be a situation where the manager has to instil the structure, before the players can begin to show their creative side, but so far, I see the same problems with out lone striker as we had last season, even with different players. Is this their lack of quality, a poor balance or the coaching demands that is blunting our attacking edge.

It might be that I am missing the point and we are infact playing superbly and the intricacies of our play are lost on my uneducated mind. Perhaps those like a more methodical build up and possessional play, think we are great to watch, but does 70% of possession really mean anything, if most of it is in areas that the opposition are happy to let you have the ball? do teams already know that games will be tight and that we struggle to break an opposition down, therefore catching us on the break, as West Ham did the other week is the way forward. but all that we will ultimately see is another season of nearly but not quite and it also not being that pretty to watch.

Perhaps it is all very well me complaining, but what would I or anyone else do to make things different? It is easy to suggest that we only play one 'defensive' CM and perhaps we should try someone like Holtby there or perhaps bring back Tom Carroll in January, whilst would loading the box quicker, by adding pace, playing two strikers or just instructing them to concentrate more of offence, as opposed to defensive thinking. Maybe, look at Lamela or Lennon to pair up with Townsend, as a more pacy and penetrative two to work around Soldado. surely Cristian Eriksen is the right man to pull the creative strings, based on what we have seen. I also believe the return of Danny Rose, will add something extra, and he has been badly missed.

This isn't meant to be a moan or a miserable fan wanting my cake and eating it all in one sitting, but I am just asking a question as to if and when we will get the balance between winning and winning with some style and also how best we might achieve that feat. i leave it in your very capable hands...



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Writer:OxfordSpur
Date:Monday October 21 2013
Time: 9:13AM

Comments

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I will take boring, if it means 3 points.
sydqcb5
21/10/2013 09:30:00
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Agree Syd, I'll take a boring 3points over an exciting loss any day!
Durbanspur
21/10/2013 09:33:00
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of course we always want the best of both, but can we get too obsessed with winning, and lose sight that we are traditionally a club that looks to entertain
oxfordspur
21/10/2013 09:33:00
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I dont think AVB style of play which is causing slow buildup. The real reason is we didnt play a dynamic CM who can move the ball quickly. Sandro- Paulinho are grinding type CMs. they will find it hard to pick a 30 yard pass. Even Dembele is not a CM who passes. So, dont think high line or AVB's formation has anything to do with slow build up. We simply dont have such CMs at the moment.
sydqcb5
21/10/2013 09:35:00
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I would say that the first half of match vs Chelsea wasn't boring. So one could argue that AVB is still trying to get something going, and is struggling at times with new faces, inexperience etc. It definitely tends to lack urgency at times. Yesterday's game was on the dull side mostly due to Villa. Anyway, back to winning ways, Soldado scored from open play, Paulinho showed us that he is probably the one to back up Soldado in the box. Great touch to set up Soldado. Lennon is back - yeah...try and double up on BOTH Townsend and Lennon! Chirches got a run out. Holtby got a run out. Good day for us.
TonyRich
21/10/2013 09:38:00
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sydqcb5 - AVB signed Dembele, Paulinho, Eriksen, Holtby, Capoue.... so it IS AVB causing it. At the end of the day, you should not be relying on 30 yard passes to break teams down.
TonyRich
21/10/2013 09:40:00
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Saying that, excellent article Ox. You echo what a lot of us are thinking - some keeping our thoughts to ourselves while others have been vociferous in their criticism.
I must confess that a few doubts are creeping in and I'm having to convince myself to be more patient.......
Durbanspur
21/10/2013 09:42:00
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Ox, I think we are entertaining, when oppositions is also having a go at us. We counter attack and do look pleaing on the eye, like in 2nd half yesterday. So there is a delicate balancing act of when to go for it and when to be patient. Having said, the 1st 20 min was unwatchable simply because our players couldn't make simple passes stick. More than focusing on entertainment, our players have to focus on doing simple things right.
sydqcb5
21/10/2013 09:42:00
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Oh, and I hope that they ban those idiots who threw the flare at the linesman. That is the sort of thing I expect at Millwall, not Spurs. Those prats are bringing down the name of our club and our great support.
TonyRich
21/10/2013 09:43:00
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Syd, its a combination of both those things, plus playing a very narrow pitch often.
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 09:44:00
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Well said TonyRich - no place for that sort of behaviour.
SouthCoastSpur
21/10/2013 09:46:00
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TonyRich, agreed AVB bought those players - but he bought them because he believed each one can do a particular job and help in team success; AVB did not buy them to entertain us - thats the truth.

And the fact remains, AVB is our most successful manager in decades interms of wins and points on board.
sydqcb5
21/10/2013 09:46:00
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Although our play hasn't been quite up there with what we have seen at times over the past few years, I'm more than happy with the way we are playing now. Players are still getting to know each other and the style of play and if we can get the results we need now then I think we will be more expansive at times when it all starts to gel properly. You have to have a solid defense to build on and although personally not a massive fan of the slow Spanish/Barca build up, if Spurs have 60-70% posession then it means the other team don't have the ball.
SouthCoastSpur
21/10/2013 09:50:00
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Ox, the board stepped up fully in the window, it's now the turn of the manager to step up, he isnt fully yet and the net result is what we see. Luck has been our way which is a welcome change. He needs to get the balance right and more often trhat not play players in positions where they are comfortable and offer something positive for us. The problem comes if we find he is not fully capable of stepping up, I am sure the squad is, yes we need another forward 9unless the good Ade comes back fully) but apart from that we have a VERY strong squad. Do we have a VERY strong manager to get the best out of it, to me there is the current doubt in the mix.
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 09:50:00
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Possession is meaningless, you can pass the ball in your own third of the field all game without creating anything. Villa showed exactly how many teams will play against us this season. They realised we have a problem breaking teams down so played defensively and tried to hit us on the break. Luckily they couldn't shoot straight. Once the first goal went in the game changed. Villa had to come out and attack and we had more space to play in and looked much better. The measured build up is fine against a team that wants to attack, it doesn't work well against one that is prepared to defend and wait for a mistake. Expect more games like that this season. Having said that we are a work in progress and you would hope we will get better as the season goes on. So keeping in touch with the leaders in the meantime is important, even if it means grinding out results.
jod
21/10/2013 09:56:00
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Syd - AVB is in danger of becoming our least successful manager in terms of achievement versus expectation. No-one has had the financial backing that he has had. He must be judged against that not spurious historical comparisons.
love totty
21/10/2013 09:57:00
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I think we looked far stronger with Jan at left back. For the time being I think we shouldkeep it that way. Lamela woudlnt give us much mor, he hant really done anything yet.. the only change I would have made would be Siggs out and Eriksen in. Siggs has played well lately but Eriksen is the man that can unlock doors. Apart from that, it doesnt bother me how we play - yes its exciting when we play at 100miles an hour, but you dont win thins like. Being methodical, and looking for an opening is how you win tites and cups. Not rushing things, im very impressed with our start. West ham was a blip, take that out of the figures and we have only conceded 2 goals this season.
Paddavis5
21/10/2013 09:57:00
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As I've said many times before, I'd taking boring 1-0 all season.
Madaboutspurs
21/10/2013 09:59:00
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Good article Ox. I think the subtle point you raised in this article about Rose is the most relevant. When I think about Walker and Townsend on the right I always think they will make progress up the pitch quickly. When I look at the left it is completely the opposite especially when Siggy starts there. Therefore we blame the midfield for not being creative even though they would get way more space if we maintained width from the fullbacks both sides. They would also have way more passing options.

I'm not yet overly concerned. We can easily bring in Kaboul or Chiriches for Dawson and Rose back into the left back slot. We will have more options with Capoue and Lennon back whilst even having a fit Adebayor would allow us to disrupt some teams by switching to 4-4-2 in the 2nd half of some games. We also know the best is yet to come from Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli, Holtby etc. I also think we will see the big win in the league soon and that could catalyse us.
muttley
21/10/2013 10:01:00
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sydqcb5 - too early to make such assertions. AVB has completed just 2 full seasons in his entire managerial career. Wait til he wins a trophy, gets far in CL finishes 3rd and above before you start saying how successful he is...
TonyRich
21/10/2013 10:02:00
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Agreed Jod, good post, and Ox, yes its all about winning but as a fan I also want to entertained, and dont see why I can't have both.
Fletch
21/10/2013 10:04:00
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Can I just make sure lennon gets the praise he deserves! it was hit tracking back that won the ball for the second goal and set us on our way. I think he’s the most underrated player in our squad and its great news he’s back!
Klinspurs
21/10/2013 10:05:00
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Hi guys, first timer here and excuse my english, i from Sweden. Well, sometimes i get bored to watching Spurs and especially at WHL. But after mush consideration i know why. Every team that visit WHL sits back with 11 men for the most part of the game, its hard to play a fast fluid game then. The same happend at Villa park yesterday. Teams now fear us. Look at the westham game, they had Diame as their " center forward " but they run and defended like 11 centerbacks. The only problem i have now is that i want more movement without the ball from the frontplayers, Soldado is so f...ing good at that and we need more from Siggy, Erikssen, Holtby Paulinho or whoever plays upfront and thats why we cant start Defoe, hes way to easy to pick up. Sry for my english guys but hope u understand what i meant. COYS bring on Hull
Roysan79
21/10/2013 10:05:00
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Paddavis5 - I don't think that Eriksen is the answer (for now at least), With Eriksen behind Soldado, he does not back Soldado in the box. Soldado is isolated. Even Holtby playing there left the same problem. I believe that Paulinho may the be the answer for now - OR siggy behind. We need someone to back Soldado up. Why is it that Man U, Man C, Liverpool are all able to play 2 strikers - who are setting each other up, and we play one, with no one else entering the box?
TonyRich
21/10/2013 10:06:00
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I just felt like Aston Villa got It wrong and to be fair, the result could have been a lot worse for them. Away from home and the way they approached this was the reason the game went this way. AVB and our guys came out cautiously in the first, won the battle of possession but still it took a bit of time to really look sharp and provide some real threat to our forward men. The Villa players were half hearted and we were neither on the full assault or counter because of this. The first goal was deserved and timely. Second half much better, with the late goal of ours it was obvious that they would have to do something. Well we dealt with the changes from Villa and really made it hard from them with a second goal. We should have sewn the game up with a third but this wouldn’t have added too much to the feel of this one overall imo. I personally am enjoying watching Spurs play both exciting games and technical games whilst winning. I know that we are not the finished article or even playing at our best yet.


Another 3 points - We wanted more width and Townsend with Walker were doing their job, complemented by some tidy play via Sigurdsson on the other wing. We could have started Townsend on the left, Lennon on the right which would have given us even more pace, but AVB got it right on the day as far as the team result goes.


This is what is meant by Gelling, the team get to know each other and everything starts clicking , things become easier on the eye. Those still pointing the finger at players after 8 games need to have a think about this realistically.


8 games 2012 season – 14 points

8 games 2013 season – 16 points


Interestingly, after 8 games we were in the same possession in the PL table, albeit this time with 2 more points. The chavs sat top on 22points. So this year the table leader is 3 points off the pace.

SpursOne2
21/10/2013 10:07:00
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Roysan79 - we understand just fine mate. Welcome.
TonyRich
21/10/2013 10:07:00
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Heard that word 'balance' a lot on here especially these past two weeks - and if we must be completely honest, the left side has let us down - playing a makeshift left back and left midfielder has exposed how unbalanced we are.
Durbanspur
21/10/2013 10:08:00
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love totty,. sorry mate - disagreed.He is 15 months into the job and there is nothing to suggest that he is doing a bad job. You can talk about the money spent etc etc, but fact is he is taking players who are already in squad to next level - ex Bale (last season), Townsend & Rose as well. Yesm he spent the money- whats wrong woth squad or team. Did you expect we will playing 90 min champagne football, scoring every 20 min ? Every team is improving, and we are improving too in terms of league. We lost Europa league and capital one cup ties in failing to score penalties - which can happen to any team. Good thing is, he is showing the ambition by fielding good teams in cups -so its a matter of time.we win something substantial.
sydqcb5
21/10/2013 10:12:00
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Yes we are boring to watch, home games are the worst, theres no real highlights of yesterdays game to talk about as with most of the games this season, i found myself in autopilot for large periods of the game yesterday where i was watching it, but wasnt really watching it. It reminds me of when Greece won the Euro cup or when Chelsea won the ECL, does the job but easily forgotten, until you buy a club mug listing the achievements on the side of it. It was the same last season except Bale came up with a wonder strike which drew attention away from how uninspiring the rest of the team was. Despite the talent I'm struggling to enjoy our football this year.
coys1717
21/10/2013 10:12:00
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sydqcb5 - nothing there is suggesting that he is doing a bad job no. But there are question marks over poor home performances, a bizarre tendency to collect midfielders of similar types, the neglecting of the left full back position. But thus far he has taken a fourth placed team, and made them 5th. We got no further in cups, despite fielding stronger sides. Too early to say, and I said before.
TonyRich
21/10/2013 10:19:00
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First off, I think the comparison with Arsenal is unfair. There's little surprise that a settled team integrating one and half quality players into a footballing template that the club and manager have stuck with for over 15yrs, looks more comfortable and at ease than we do at the start of the season. Nobody should need reminding of the number of changes to our squad and first team this season or that we are only 3 pts and GD behind the league leaders. The surprise is not that the new setup has struggled to find fluency in some games, but that it has found it as often as it has and been so successful while doing so. Whatever your personal feeling about how long it takes players to find their feet and unfamiliar team mates to gel and function effectively together, there can be no denying that the longer they do play together, the more the coach has a chance to watch them, to experiment with new combinations, to ditch what doesn't work and to polish what does, the better they will become. AVB had success in Portugal playing relentlessly aggressive football, so, while the cavalier performances of the Redknapp era might well be over, I'm confident that we can expect more first halves against Chelsea than first halves against Villa. Defeats like the West Ham game we can definitely expect to one-off aberrations.
darkenvai
21/10/2013 10:22:00
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First question. Can you play with style and flair for 90 minutes? Answer no. Second question. Can you create numerous opportunities against teams parking the bus? No because that tactic is used to prevent teams creating chances. Third Question. Can you control the game by controlling the possession? Yes, why? The more possession you have the more annoyed, anxious, frustrated and risky the opponents will behave the longer the game goes on. It is obviously the game plan to hold the ball and not risk losing it from irrational or risky play as we have adopted a high line in defense and the wet spam game was the result of us losing possession cheaply. What is concerning is the sad and sadistic individuals who lack any respect for our management and simply question their position based on their own ill feelings and complete lack of any real facts. I'm not sure any manager on the planet gets its right all the time but at least their fans actually appretiate the hard work put in. There is a dedicated and methodical approach to this Spurs team that is nothing like we have seen in many long and painful years. I would sacrifice a few dull games to play in the CL and be competitive in all competitions during a complete revolution at the club any day of the week.
Mix26
21/10/2013 10:23:00
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Oxford...Well done mate,you've covered all the bases with thoughts and comments on this one.

The way i see it, yesterdays 1st half performance was as a result of very little movement ahead of the back 4, most players recieving the ball were doing so whilst stationery. We need to up the tempo, little give and go's, it's pretty easy to mark somebody standing still, i think the fear of losing possession is now outweighing the confidence of one touch little balls in MF to create space.

My hopeful solution for a few weeks now has been "let's play Holtby in CM", he has a knack for quick short passing, moving quickly into space for a return ball, good vision and a great workhorse, i honestly believe he would aid the tempo issues we currently are experiencing. Movement off the ball has vanished, this is a very valuable trait to have as a footballer, it draws players out of position and usually creates spaces for others to exploit. I heard a post match interview with Sir Les and Dion Dublin last night and they quipped how Walker did not really have to overlap Townsend because he is good enough to do his own thing. Totally wrong, two guys blessed with pace, one goes bombing forward, you can bet an oppo player is going to chase back, thus creating space to operate in.

I would have liked to have seen Walker get up and down more yesterday, a risk i know (is it?), why not Walker start a run, overlapping Townsend, then play the ball to Townsend, if nobody has chased Walker, well, let's look for a ball for him. In conclusion, my first little gripe of today is the lack of movement in the Centre of the park and not utilising the pace on Wings (well RW) enough. Not saying Townsend was not good yesterday, he played well, but with 2 flying machines on the Right, you'd like to think that between them 1st half they could have produced more, with the right balls from MF or working in tandem.
Cider spurs
21/10/2013 10:23:00
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Felt much happier with the team towards the end of the game yesterday, two out and out wingers stretching things with their pace (incidentally, I loved Aaron's revenge tackle on Weimann yesterday). Liked the look of the all power three in midfield as well, Sandro sitting really deep and allowing dembele and Paulit to roam forward. Thought we played much better football with that formation. Maybe that's just because villa were attacking more though, I don't confess to having a great football knowledge haha
youngsoulrebel87
21/10/2013 10:23:00
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Call me old fashioned, but I am still trying to come to terms with having 20 odd great players but not able to play them every week. Surely a bit of flair is not to much to ask when they do get a game or will that get them benched.
love totty
21/10/2013 10:25:00
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jod good post Jod...Padda, you simply cant play Verts at left back when Rose is fit for two reasons, Verts is a MUCh better cnetra back and if we do it keeps Dawson in the side. Rose is showing genuine promise this season and must be played left back if fit and continues to play as he did before his injury. ....Siggy has NOT played well lately.....Durban ref balance, quite right but remember its repeatedly been the managers choice. Fryers is a left back, play him there and he has the chance VERY quickly to show he could be a very good one...Siggy in front of Naughton makes us invisible left side.
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 10:34:00
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I agree with the word boring i also agree that three points everytime regardless to style of play would be fantastic , but i also feel AVB still does not pick his strongest team due to this rotation system there was Holtby never really great i think he and Rose and Naughton are not premiership standard , we are allways going to struggle with these guys in the team on the bench yes but who wants to be there we have got to gel a great team to challenge for the top four and not to go into the champions league just an average team instead of a great team .
POP
21/10/2013 10:38:00
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TonyRich, AVB took a 4th place team to 5th place ?-

IMO, thats a wrong perspective to asses a manager. while factually it looks right but its wrong on so many levels. It doesnt consider the level of competition, seriousness showed by manager in all cups/league etc...

Harry threw away league cups, FA cups, Europa to focus only on 38 league games. AVB never gave the impression of throwing away cups, on the contrary did whatever he could to utilise the complete squad.

If you analyse end of last season we were joint 1st interms of form table considering last 6 games. But unfortunately for us, Arsenal were ruthless they had 8wins, 2 draws in last 10 games, which was simply ridiculous. We finished on our highest points tally ever, but painfully competition was even better.

I believe its unfair to compare 2 managers.
sydqcb5
21/10/2013 10:44:00
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TonyRich, AVB took a 4th place team to 5th place ?-

IMO, thats a wrong perspective to asses a manager. while factually it looks right but its wrong on so many levels. It doesnt consider the level of competition, seriousness showed by manager in all cups/league etc...

Harry threw away league cups, FA cups, Europa to focus only on 38 league games. AVB never gave the impression of throwing away cups, on the contrary did whatever he could to utilise the complete squad.

If you analyse end of last season we were joint 1st interms of form table considering last 6 games. But unfortunately for us, Arsenal were ruthless they had 8wins, 2 draws in last 10 games, which was simply ridiculous. We finished on our highest points tally ever, but painfully competition was even better.

I believe its unfair to compare 2 managers.
sydqcb5
21/10/2013 10:44:00
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We may traditionally entertain but e don't traditionally win the league. If we can be boring and win 3-4 titles over 10-20 yr period, I'll look back on it as a very exciting period in our history.
Dan Mac
21/10/2013 10:45:00
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oops, apologies for double post
sydqcb5
21/10/2013 10:47:00
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Dan Mac, we are boring and 5th.
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 10:48:00
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Considering that AVB has not played his best possible starting 11 once in the Premier League this season in my opinion, it's excellent that we are only 3 points from the top of the table, especially after only getting 1 out of 6 points from the Arsenal and Chelsea games. Thankfully AVB seems to have finally sussed that Sandro must be a starter to protect the back four, which gives Paulinho the freedom to attack. What an assist yesterday. Paulinho the lock picker! The next stage is to get the excellent Chiriches settled into the team next to Vertonghen in the heart of central defense! Vertonghen I believe should be made team captain, with Dawson returning to the bench as a back up player. AVB then needs to get Lamela into that first team who is a total skill boy! We witnissed Soldado prove his critics wrong yesterday with that super cool finish! Can't wait to see Lamela do the same! Lennon coming back and looking very sharp was also a big bonus. We looked far my dangerous when he replaced Siggy. As for the possession, well it is fantastic the team can keep possession of the ball! AVB now needs to come up with the best tactics and use of players to turn this possession into creating more goal scoring chances. Pushing Paulinho into a more advanced role is one option as we witnessed yesterday with his sublime assist and the other exciting option is to get Lamela ready and into that team ASAP!
pelebro
21/10/2013 10:49:00
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Now that Lennon is fit I believe that we will see our approach change, I don't see Siggy playing on the left again, If Rose is not fit then Verts should play left back, I don't know why Fryers is not getting a game so AVB is seeing something in training to believe he is not ready. We are not playing the best but it has not been like that for every game this season. The next run of games will test us a lot more as we have Hull, Everton, Newcastle, Man City, Man U. These teams won't allow us to have a off day but I am confident of getting the results required to maintain our push up the league.
Kong
21/10/2013 10:49:00
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One2, who did we play forst 8 games each season, this is important and to a degree how others are playing this year against last, if they are under performing we get to see stats in greater context.
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 10:50:00
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OK firstly I thought the second half of yesterday's game was entertaining. The first half was not so great. I feel the reason seems to be a lot to do with the number of touches players take before passing the ball. I also notice that under AVB we perform well at the end of the game and we look full of running throughout at a time when opposition teams are getting leggy. Under HR sure we had those swashbuckling 100mph performances where we went at them from the off but how many late goals did we concede? Under AVB we're not conceding many late goals and score more late goals than we did under HR. Another point that is oft overlooked on here I think is how much the lack of cover at full back affects us. We all know by now the under AVB's 4-2-3-1 formation width must come from the full backs. There is no real cover and competition for Walker and Rose in these positions. Forget strikers, this is the most important area to strengthen. Playing with width gives space for players in the middle to score goals. Walker needs competition and playing Naughton on the left doesn't work. Jan does a good job out there but we want him playing central. Two full backs for (slightly late) Christmas present please Mr Levy!
Kes80
21/10/2013 10:52:00
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In the next game at home to Hull why not play three at the back with Sandro in the holding role? That would allow us to play both Lennon and Townsend wide with either Eriksen or Holtby supporting Soldado and still have Paulinho paired with Dembele in midfield.
love totty
21/10/2013 10:52:00
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Back to the topic, I believe our general game play will only as improve as season goes on. Boring or not boring, atleast am less nervous nowadays if we are 1-0 up & closing the game down. I have lot more faith in this team to keep clean sheets and see off games.
sydqcb5
21/10/2013 10:53:00
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Our first 8 games last season, Newcastle (a) Lost 2-1, WBA (h) 1-1, Norwich (H) 1-1, Reading (a) won 3-1, QPR (h) won 2-1, Man U (a) won 3-2, Villa (h) won 2-0, Chelsea (h) lost 4-2, we didn't start great last season then picked it up
Kong
21/10/2013 10:59:00
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TonyRich...very good point relating to how most teams are able to get 2 strikers on the pitch, link well and set each other up. Siggy got a header in, Paulinho nearly faced one in, but rightly you state, we do not load the box enough in attack all too often. I know many will slate me for this because of the likeness of strikers we already possess, but i do believe Hernandez (Man U) would be an excellent signing to play alongside Soldado. Play him to the left a little behind Soldado and i think we would see him lay it off and run past him for return balls. He has the trickery in and around the box and is very adept in the air. This obviously is only based on the Adebayor staying and performing scenario, but i do feel 2 lethal finishers in the box is the way forward.
Cider spurs
21/10/2013 10:59:00
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Kong, ref Fryers training, or AVB is making a mistake?
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 11:12:00
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Redknapp couldn't break these teams down attacking at pace, AVB's slow build up play has been shown to work much more often. As far as I'm concerned we have had the chance to experiment with both ways and the patient build up wins. The real discussion is weather you would rather entertaining football or winning football. (they can be the same thing but that takes years to generate, maybe in 5 years we will have an AVB swagger and a winning mentality but I don't think that comes all at once this quick)
Dan Mac
21/10/2013 11:13:00
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Tophobounty - 8 games in...saying we are boring and 5th like it's the end of the season doesn't make that a valid point. Also, I would argue we're not that boring to be honest, just not as 'headless chicken' as we were with Redknapp
Dan Mac
21/10/2013 11:15:00
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Dan Mac, i am not saying it like its the end of the season, that is your perception sorry. I am merely stating a fact. You dont win the league in 5th, we finished there last season and we are there now.
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 11:24:00
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Tophobunty - I have liked the look of Fryers when he has played, raw but that is expected, got pace which is good. I don't understand why he didn't play against Tromso and Rose did and got injured, that didn't make sense at all. I would say that was a AVB mistake, think he is being too cautious with Fryers, don't know why, was the same with Townsend until Lennon got injured. If Fryers can'[t get a game with Rose injured we won't see him in the league anytime soon. I have liked what I have seen of Rose too.
Kong
21/10/2013 11:27:00
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We will win 80% of games in which we score the 1st goal. If teams choose to persist with this pussy ass negative tacticts against us then we just have to make sure we get that all important 1st goal anyway possible. Sandro is a must in this team. Quite possibly the best holding midfielder in world football. Almost like giving the defence a day off when he plays.
The Samba Beast
21/10/2013 11:36:00
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A team that doesn't know each other at all well with so many incomers IS going to play it safe to start with. They'd be idiots not to. They CAN'T play that fast flowing sweeping attractive football until they have formed partnerships and understandings, plus learning a new style of play with a new manager and a team mate or two who can't speak a word of English and who can't speak it too well, so there will be communications to deal with too, and that all takes time. You could see glimpses of what is to come in yesterdays game, even in the first half it was there. This is the core of what will become a very very good squad. I still say we won't see the best of them until next season when everything and everyone will be in place. Then it is ours. I for one am willing to wait because i can see it coming.
chrishove123
21/10/2013 11:39:00
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Kong agree 100% bad mistake my AVB esp when he had seen in countless games how Naughton had struggled at left back and more importantly how narrow he makes us when he plays there. There are knock ons to players like Verts and Dembele too when Naughton plays left back.You have to give the younger ones a chance when its screaming you in the face and this is screaming so loud it hurts. Fryers looks to me that he could really make it....I genuinely believe if he had played all these prem games Rose has been injured Rose would be struggling to get back in, but he wasnt and we are still *****ing in the dark over there upsetting the balance playing people out of position. But we will never know because AVB made bad calls.... AVB has a distance to go to convince me he is up to the job, I hope he does and soon.
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 11:39:00
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SpursOne2, not to mention that last season we didn't play during the first eight games of the competition, like we did this season, a home game against a real strong, concerning away games, team which has spent more than one hundred millions to strengthen their squad like the Spammers.
Ioan X
21/10/2013 11:46:00
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ANother thing I forgot is we had no real pre season as a team or even a squad, so it's all being learnt now instead of back then.
chrishove123
21/10/2013 11:50:00
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have to agree with those looking to give Fryers a start on thursday and perhaps ideally looking at Naughton, Chiriches, Kaboul and Fryers, leaving Walker, Dawson, Vert and rose, hopefully rested for the weekend
oxfordspur
21/10/2013 11:55:00
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I can see good things with this squad but I want players to play in their natural positions. We are getting the points but are making it harder for ourselves. I understand that sometimes that won't be the case but why persist with something that is not working. It is not Naughton's fault that he is not left footed so to put him in that position is not ideal, I don't think Naughton has been bad but look how easy verts made it look being left footed. I am sure how lennon is back that our wings or sorted, I want to see Lennon or Lamela instead of siggy on Sunday. There were enough games for Fryers to be given a chance and give AVB a headache for the left back position, we have no choice but to relay on Rose now.
Kong
21/10/2013 11:57:00
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Tophobunty1.... It must be brilliant for you that you don't make any mistakes in your life! I do believe you would expect a 12 week old child to walk and be running by the time it's 6 months old. I'm really bored that you only have negativity towards anything AVB does, not that it really matters as I don't expect him to read these blogs. When we end up winning trophies and playing as Porto used to then perhaps you might acknowledge his abilities. In the mean time just cut him and the squad some slack.
longtimespur
21/10/2013 12:02:00
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I am delighted to see we have now become a very effective away side. We kept possession and prevented Villa from achieving anything because they did not have the ball for long enough. Villa had seen off Arsenal and Manchester City this season but we avoided the same fate.We must now get it right at home and this involves moving the ball quicker in the final third. Arsenal and Chelsea are the examples of how to do that, but remember Redknapp had the same problem of chance creation and scoring.
cynicspur
21/10/2013 12:16:00
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sydqb5 - I think you have a point. When other teams put everyone behind the ball we are less entertaining, we play slow passing possession with little urgency, patient game that is narrow. However, when the game opens up when the other team have a go at us we get more space and we then express our self more and it becomes more exciting.

I think what is happening is we play patiently and try and get the goal, then the other team have to change and push forward take more chances and this gives us space to counter attack and play with more freedom. However, the problem we have which was like last week is when we don't score when we have all the possession and playing narrow and the other team do score. Like at Westham they took the lead and they didn't need to change the game much they could still put all their men behind the ball so we struggled to break them down and we had to push forward more for the equaliser which actually left us vulnerable to counter attack.

The key is for us to get the lead while we are playing this narrow, possession football because that forces the opposition to open up and attack more and then this gives us the space. Like it did yesterday, we took the lead and Villa opened up which gave us more space and we started to look good and got the second goal to kill the game off but up until the goal it was like watching paint dry.

Now if we play a team that doesn't put everyone behind the ball then we are better because we have the talent to play anyone at their own game when it comes to being a open game. So in actual fact Westham and Villa got it right by trying to stop us playing, putting everyone behind the ball the only difference was Westham sneaked a goal and yesterday we sneaked the goal so to me it shows me that it is important that we don't concede when we play teams that play the way Westham and Villa did, getting everyone behind the ball and that we get the first goal when we play teams that play that way otherwise we will struggle.

The key is unlock these teams and that is not easy to do unless you have world class players who are able to d that. Yesterday our goal came from a cross that was missed not by all this possession football trying to unlock teams however, the 2nd goal did come that way but by then Villa didn't have so many players behind the ball as they were searching for a equaliser themselves.

The question is can we develop our players to get that goal when we have the possession and other teams are putting all their players behind the ball, do we have the quality. I think this is why Soldado was brought in because he is clinical, one chance and 99.9% he will take it were as Defoe gets one chance at may 98% of the time he will take it, that 1.9% makes a difference when it comes to playing teams who park the bus. However, we need the players that can create that chance for Soldado and yesterday we didn't until Villa opened up so as i see it we are playing a dangerous game with the system employed but we don't know and will not know if it will pay off until the end of the season. Will we win enough playing this way, will our players be able to break down these teams that park the bus, the equation is will we break them down enough to get enough wins throughout the season.
WorldPeace
21/10/2013 12:18:00
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I keep reading on here that we should lose Sigurdsson. The answer is when we find somebody else who can score as consistently as he does from open play then we can consider that LOL
cynicspur
21/10/2013 12:20:00
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Longtime, I make many mistakes in my life as do all humans. Thank you for having in your mind a picture that I dont but its just not the case is it. What is wrong with trying to understand why people make mistakes and try to avoid them repeating? Porto = Celtic ....Chelsea = Prem league add our 5th last season and 5th so far this season, thats when I see. Who sadi I do not acknowledge his abilities? I said i am not convinced he has what is required to manage at the top in the prem based on the evidence so far...5th/6th is not my idea of top or where I want us to be longtime...
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 12:24:00
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I would like to add it is still early days for most players and the manager. Look at Utd with Moyes they are struggling, it takes time for players and managers to settle. AVB had last season but we were weakened by losing best two players in VDV and Modric and Ade didn't get pre season and was woeful and we also had two injuries to kaboul and Sandro then this season we lose our best player Bale another pre season damaged by all the activity and chaos around Bale and with losing Bale we did the rigt thing brought in lots of new players to make our squad stronger, using the money wisely and because of so many new faces we have a lot of work to do with getting them forming relationships, gelling, getting used to pace and physicality of the PL for some players and the language, so we need to be patient. I think next season will be easier for us if we keep all our players as they will have had a season to adjust and AVB would have had a season to work with them and we should have a proper pre season with only a couple of changes. So I think we are doing fine.
WorldPeace
21/10/2013 12:25:00
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OX Fryers needs a go in the prem when the first choice left back is injured, in his case this spoon game away is almost pointless and possibly even counter productive, hiding to nothing
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 12:26:00
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cynic how many did Siggy get last season?
tophobunty1
21/10/2013 12:27:00
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Kong ... I know what you mean about playing in natural positions, but one of the strengths of this squad is that many of them CAN play in more than their preferred position. This could be a real bonus later in the season if injuries hit us. This should only happen from necessity, and there is an argument, of course, that it is not necessary now ... except that, just like us, AVB is still working out all the various permutations. Anyone ... am I the only one that has difficulties typing on this site or is it my computer ... it keeps missing letters a I type!?
Geofspurs
21/10/2013 12:33:00
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Not a great display by any means but we got there. Fact is, yeah Villa parked the bus but have got to stop this rolling the ball along our back 4. Every time Sandro or Paulinho got the ball there was no one to play it to going forward. We have the players now but if im honest i dont think we have got the tactics right. As soon as we saw what Villa were doing i would have gone 4-3-3, the whole "no10" behind soldado STILL isnt working. Paulinho Sandro Dembele in the midfield with Townsend and eriksen either side of soldado. Roberto needs to bloody up his game too, his finish was tidy enough but IMO hasnt done anything up to now ADE or Defoe couldnt do. Another dissapointing game from siggy, im just wondering when our £30 attacking player will get a chance, as yet again we looked poor in the final third. Sorry guys but we arent playing well at the moment, believe what you want.
hudderspur
21/10/2013 12:36:00
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Sandro has finally returned to full fitnes after a severe knee injury, why are some reading it as AVB finally waking up to the idea of starting Sandro? His cover, Capoue was injured early on in the season which meant Paulinho and Dembele being deployed as neither DM or CM but a combo of both. Lack of game time for Fryers could be seen as an over sight or it could be seen as protecting a youngser and easing him in while also giving an older youngster, in Noughton, a chance in the squad to see if he can improve and cut it at the top level or at least earn a decent trasnfer fee. Lennon coming on for Siggy changed the dynamic of the team yesterday and our second goal was an example of strangers starting to gell, with fast fluid passing and an excellent finish - sort of like Defoe should have done against West ham early in the second half a couple of weeks ago. The only "mistake" I would accuse AVB of making is persisting with Siggy on the Left (I know chadli and lennon are/were injured) while Townsend and Lamela could only be played on the right. When it comes to wingers variety is the spice of life.
Slurms McKenzie
21/10/2013 12:36:00
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This talk about Siggy is a difficult one. He can score when he is around the area but last two games he hasn't been in and around the area for some reason. I think the problem with Siggy as it is with Holtby is finding their best position.

Siggy is not a lesf winger and neither is Holtby a player to play behind the striker in the hole. I am not sure what Siggy's best position is and Holtby likes to get stuck in and so likes to be deeper than the 'hole' position. I actually think Holtby is more suited to a three man midfield and Siggy probably suited more to a 3 - 1 -2 formation playing the 1 position behind two strikers in front of three midfielders, so not too far forward but not too deep. Give him a chance to roam around play behind two strikers but who plays that formation.

I do think we need to keep him because he is a useful player when it comes to getting goals although he is not consistent but we don't have many players to show us they can score form open play were as Siggy has so imo he stays for now but he doesn't always look happy, I am not sure he is happy with himself.
WorldPeace
21/10/2013 12:37:00
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Paddavis5 - "lamela hasn't done anything yet"...beg to differ...without lamela we would be 7th on the log instead of 5th because he was the difference between a win and a draw at cardiff. BTW, like your username , are you south african by any chance?
neymar
21/10/2013 12:38:00
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