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Tottenham Hotspur vs Hull City

If Thudd scores I will eat my scarf!..........Danny Rose and Younes Kaboul are still injured which means Verts will probably go left back again, especially as Fryres pulled up at Sheriff and AVB has finally realised that Naughton is no good at left back. Paulinho, Andros Townsend and Kyle Walker will probably start after being rested for the midweek clash with Sheriff Tiraspol. Hull are definitely without injured goalkeeper Allan McGregor and Danny Graham, while Sone Aluko (calf) and Robbie Brady (hernia) are major doubts. Jake Livermore is ineligible to play against us.

We are 3 points behind the league leaders this season in 5th place. At the same time last season we were 5 points behind league leaders in 5th place! So why are we feeling so uneasy? Last Sunday was Tottenham's fourth successive away win without conceding a goal. Not a bad record, but.........!

Against Sheriff Chiriches looked good which is about as much as you can say about the game! Sheriff have not won a group game in Europe for three years. Somehow we managed to make them look like a real threat! Once again we survived on a night when the result outweighed the performance. People are asking when is Lamela going to show up? Eriksen is looking out of his depth all of a sudden. These are good players, they don`t become bad ones over night,. Is it the system that we are playing that makes us look so predictable? Sheriff bossed us and yet again we seem clueless against a packed midfield.

Andre Villas-Boas on the the Villans Match: 'It was a great performance. We improved with time because the beginning was difficult, as we had lots of longs balls to deal with. 'The opening goal was important to bring confidence and we really played well in the second half. We deserved to go 2-0 up. 'It was the right response after the defeat by West Ham and it is good to see us near the top. 'Andros Townsend had a great game. He didn't start well but really picked up after his goal. He is a great threat. His pace and ability to beat a man, he takes the team forward.'That is the key. Does AVB bring confidence to the players?

The thing is we get results using a formation and a style of play that just doesn`t make you sit easy in your chair. Yes, Andros Townsend did score a goal but he didn't really mean it. But at last we built an attack from the left and at last Roberto Soldado helped create an opportunity which he finished. Roberto Soldado's finish was the mark of a true 6 yard box goal poacher and that is exactly where we need him, in the 6 yard box.

The chant from the terraces used to be "boring, boring Arsenal" Take a look at what kind of football they are playing now and what we are playing. Why? Where has our speed on the counter gone? Where has our pace on the left disappeared to? Our home form is not as good as our away form but to be fair, apart from the Scum, we have not had that big a test. Our next away match is at Everton though. Are we really going to get a result at Goodison playing this brand of football? We have the two Manchester`s coming up Citeh away and Manure at home. We need to give them a right go. If we push the ball around playing slow link up play against them we will get punished, especially if we lose the ball in possession we will be having to get everyone back behind the ball because we are playing such a high line.

This Hull game is a chance to test out some speed on both wings with Lennon and Townsend alternating the wing attack, get Soldado in the 6 yard box and put Holtby or Eriksen in the pocket. Sandro and Dembele sitting in front of Vlad and Daws with Vert at LB and Walker at RB. With Eriksen and Lamela still not hitting form and Chadli not quite establishing a true position we still do not know our best or first 11.

This Hull Performance will also be a test because the conditions on Sunday predict high winds that will make set pieces, crosses and long balls unpredictable so I am hoping we can keep the ball on the deck and play some direct attacking football. Let`s have a performance to go with the result and let`s put a show on for the White Lane Faithful!

Coys

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Date:Saturday October 26 2013

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Your Comments

It's one of those days for lots of micro-bets on Spurs scoring first and winning by x-number of goals
darkenvai
If Thudd scores, I'll eat his hair!
MAN ON!
My prediction for what its worth, is 1-0 to spurs, perhaps a slightly below par performance, but against a team that doesnt score or concede many. the only thing that might change that imo is that Spurs score early and open Hull up, equally hull are short of key players, so I may well be totally wrong
oxfordspur
dark...does that mean we will struggle to win 1-0?
vicspur
I'd like to see Dembele shooting, if he plays.
82spursdebut
vicspur - O ye of little faith! My initial £10 free Skybet now stands at £112.17. When I say bet your bottom dollar you empty your purse ;-)
darkenvai
Happy as I am with mostly positive results this season, I'm now getting desperate for an exciting, uptempo performance, with a few goals! I'm at the Lane tomorrow and I want something to shout and cheer at! Up the Lilywhites!
MAN ON!
I DON`T BELIEVE WE HAVE FOUND OUR TRUE SYSTEM YET AS QUITE A FEW PLAYER`S HAVE NOT STOOD UP TO THE OCHE , HOLTBY IS WEAK , LAMELA IS HAVING A TORRID TIME AJUSTING TO THE EPL , CHALDI I THINK IS OUT OF POSITION , CHIRICHES FOR ME IS VERY UNSTEADY THERE AGAIN TRYING TO SETTLE DOWN , ERIKSEN IS VERY UNSURE JUST HOW TO ADOPT , FRYERS IS A WEAK DEFENDER , NAUGHTON HAS BEEN PLAYED OUT OF POSITION BUT REGARDLESS TO THAT HE TAKES TOO MANY CHANCES AND GIVES THE BALL AWAY A LOT , AS FOR DANNY ROSE HE WILL NEVER BE GOOD FOR SPURS . MY STRONGEST TEAM WOULD BE LLORIS WALKER DAWSON KABOUL VERTONGHEN LENNON DEMBELE PAULHINO SANDRO SOLDADO TOWNSEND . PROVIDING ALL ARE FIT OF COURSE .
POP
I will be at the match too, hoping for a big score and performance, if not then any win will make my journey home easier.
Kong
Pop you love your capitals. Seems you've had your caps permanently since you first posted a year or two ago. Lol :-|
strawboy
theirs no respite at the top,we simply need to win,what with everyone winning,we will finish 7th by the end of the day
ghulamville
What's all the shouting about?
darkenvai
I thought we WON our Last 2 games 2-0....and that includes a AWAY PREMIERSHIP game.
82spursdebut
POP, SHALL I SHOUT AT YOU NOW?>/p> Anyway, Fryers is young, Naughton needs to be given a bit of a break when out of possition, he gives the ball away as he can't play the balls he knows and is used to. We failed to sign a LB in the summer and though Rose has been VERY GOOD, the best at the back in a couple of games and alright the rest of the time, I don't know why people hate him?

Eriksen, Chadli and Lamela are not the finished article of Ozil, they have also come in with MASS CHANGES, it takes time FFS, Ozil has slotted into a team, we have built a new team, it's about time people accepted that and realised that although not perfect it's very early days (Arsenal probably don't have the squad to keep it up) and Bale and Ronaldo didn't make it overnight!

This site seems to be a hive of negitivity nowdays and it's truely depressing, we have the best defense we have had in 20-30 years, we have a bigger and stronger squad that most and 'it happens (AKA West Ham).

I would have throught watching the laughable #MOYESOUT twitter trend earlier before the sudden change of winds would have reminded us of something WE OF ALL CLUBS SHOULD ALREADY KNOW.

Get a grip, stop moaning and support your team.
stu_u2k
Is there something wrong with Paulinho Oveh? Other than Paulinho and Soldado, I think the rest of the new players are struggling. That's not to say they are not good enough, just struggling. With that in mind, maybe that's why don't look so convincing. I don't know, just a thought. I won't complain because we are picking up points. I expect us to get better. Avb will likely start with lloris, walker, Dawson, chip his, Verts, Paul, Sandro, sig, Holtby, Townsend, Soldado.
asherthesmasher
asherthesmasher I think even struggling might be slightly harsh, settling maybe more relalistic still at this stage.
stu_u2k
stu_u2k welcome to the big groan. Nothing pleases many on here. We could win by 4 and there are at least 10 posters who will take over the site and tell you who al the *****3 players are and how bad the tactics were and why didn't AVB play so and so versus to x. Oh and my favorite, x was played out of position again. And just wait and see what happens if we draw or lose. I hardly come on anymore because of the negativity.
jvd
If he plays Siggy & that boring system i will eat my pants.
We sing what we want
bye JVD....I'll eat your pants WSWWW
tophobunty1
wswww and Topho I think you both will be eating pants when the team is announced tomorrow
Kong
i think you could be right there Kong....can i eat mine and wswww eats his?
tophobunty1
Kong I`ve got big hopes for tomorrow.Siggy & Defoe will be rightfully benched,free flowing jaw dropping football to have us begging for more.

I`m going 4-0,maybe 5-0 to a rampaging, unstoppable,electrifying Spurs team.
The birds who do the weather are right,a major storm is brewing in London.
We sing what we want
wswww i like it, I will be there so let's hope what you are saying is true, I wasn't sure about this storm but I am liking the sound of it now
Kong
Stu_u2k. I agree,rose has been very good. Until the players are settled in we are going to have to continue to grind. I like the way avb sets his teams up. I always have. I like the way we squeeze play. A lot of the top teams play that way. Until the new players truly start finding form and the old players gel with the new players, it just worn't look pretty.
asherthesmasher
Too late Topho, pants eating deal already agreed :), i am going by what wswww said now, much better than pants eating and keeps me positive until I see the team tomorrow
Kong
I don't get what Dembele offers us which makes us stronger, im not player bashing but he slows our play down too much. People always say it's our lack of width or blame inverted wingers for our approach play being slow, when in fact it's the heart of the midfield which sets the tempo, Modric set that tempo for us with quick incisive passes which turned defense into attack, whether it be forward passes to the wings or defense splitting passes, modric would make this team tick. Maybe Holtby can fulfill this role.

A must win tomorrow, if Chelsea and City draw we can go 3rd with a win.
spurfect one
asherthesmasher Until the players are settled in we are going to have to continue to grind Until the new players truly start finding form and the old players gel with the new players, it just worn't look pretty. ......................................................................... Couldn't agree more. I wish more people would see this and STFU with their infantile thatcherite "I want it all NOW" attitude. It is really pathetic how some on here are so bloody negative and just don't seem to understand the dynamics involved in putting a new team together, let alone virtually a new SQUAD. I am happy with the way things are shaping up, and as I have previously said on here to the moaners who are never happy, look how long it took Citeh's players to click with each other, and look what happened when they did. So just shut up stop your childish whingings and support the team and the manager as we are doing well enough for the time being.
chrishove123
OK chrishove, although I think the new lads are already settled as we are performing exactly the same way as we did last season but without Bale to bail us out. I accept that it's pointless to complain when the team are performing exactly how the manager wants them to and results by and large are going our way. Whether this will be good enough for a CL place only time will tell, but Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are playing a different system and are setting the early pace...maybe it's case of the hare and the tortoise.
Harry-Kari
Spurfect one,agree on the dembele point and holtby would be perfect for his place ! Coys.
bazdog
Maybe Dembele should play behind Soldado. Ghost past a or two and set Soldado on his merry way in the box ?
Arky
Holtby can ping passes in from deep to Dembele and yet has the engine to cover the high line.
Arky
Agreed Chris Hove. There's a pattern with those kind of posters. When Spurs win or when a maligned spurs player plays well or scores a couple or scores the winner, these kind of posters are no where to be seen until a new thread arrives. They are very conspicuous in their absence. I often wait and wonder whether they'll post on those kind of days...... But their silence is deafening as it is disappointing. From the perspective of a purist we are not playing attractive exciting football. But you know what? Our style of play has become pragmatic. We are winning more games, tighter in defence, 3 points off top should we win tomorrow, squad depth, cruising in the Europa league, 2 points better off than last season, our current manager has secured us a record points haul, we are difficult to beat, joint second best defence In the league and all this with 7 new players bedding in. We are still work in progress but we remain competitive on all fronts. The football we play this season has been methodical/ boring /un exciting call it what you will, but we can only beat what is in front of us and we have remained competitive where we are expected to be. I don't have a problem with the negativity, I just have a problem with the not giving credit where credits due.
strawboy
Bazdog, arky, some people argue that Holtby is too weak physically to play in that position, they said the same as Modric too, i'm not saying Holtby will be as good as Modric but you get my drift.
spurfect one
I predict a narrow win followed by a lot of moaning.
matt hoten
Matt I predict a lot of moaning whatever the result.
strawboy
matt, strawboy, stop moaning about the moaning lol :), i get what you're saying but will it just be easier to skip them comments? Opinions on forums will differ no matter how stupid some are.
spurfect one
Spurfect, I think that tomorrow is the perfect day to try a few new things. Holtby will do fine IMO. Shake it up AVB.
Arky
Any maybe Dembele can/will dribble/out muscle a few Hull players to create time and space for Soldado in and around the box.
Arky
Spurfect one, I know. I generally skip those posts or don't get involved in the usual post match squabbles that goes on for a few days after the points have been bagged. I am sure they'll be posters on here who won't get why I feel so optimistic this season.
strawboy
Lennon is back and I expect he'll play. Townsend will play, so the likelihood of Sigurdsson playing on the wing is pretty remote (Chadli and Lamela are there too). If Sigurdsson starts (he may well relieve on the left) it will be in place of Eriksen, in the middle, which is Sigurdsson's position. I do like the idea of Holtby playing beside Sandro, but I expect we'll see Sandro and Paulinho out there. I don't agree that AVB has "found that Naughton is not good enough on the left" and believe he will start on the left with Rose probably back on Wednesday. Dawson and Vertonghen in the middle with Walker on the right. Lloris in goal. I do also have a feeling that we will break out in this one. Soldado to show exactly why he is worth 28M. COYS
peterballb
From Hull's point of view, IMO, game against us is made for Thudd. They'd expect him to ping the ball over our high line and if they have any pacey threat, we'd need to be damn alert. Thudd doesn't have any pace?....well, neither does our midfield (or even our build up). Need an early goal for us, else another tight game. COYS!
Critical_Spur
spurfect...dembele can go past players centrally, who else can do that?
tophobunty1
i was thinking the same thing Peter about Soldado. i think he gets another one tomorrow maybe two. Would love to send the home crowd home buzzing. Looking forward to watching Hudds as well. Lets get on them early and put a few up there in teh first half. Paulinho and Sandro in the middle for me. Lennon left, Townsend right to start and Holtby behind soldado with Eriksen coming on around 65-70 mins. Wud love to see the two wingers swapping and giving Hull fits. COYS.
YankeeSpur23
Lamela Soldado

Townsend Paulinho Sandro Lennon

Verthongen Chiriches Dawson Walker

Llorris

ItalianYiddo
Tophubunty, sometimes a defense splitting pass or keeping the ball moving quick can be just as effective as going past players centrally.
spurfect one
This has become an absolutely "must win" game for several reasons. 1) We need to lay the ghost of our past home game, the humiliation v West Ham, 2) All of our near rivals except Chelsea and Man City (playing tomorrow), have won today, so 3 points to stay in touch is a must, 3) It is now time that we laid down a marker, with a decisive rather than a "finger tips" victory, as some of the others i.e. Liverpool, Southampton have done today.
Frank
On a completely seperate note, hat's off to Michael Jones tonight the ref of the Cardif game, it only Howard Webb & Clatten**** could use their brains like that we might have done a little better at OT over the years, another example last week in the Chelsea game, nice to see a non-issue for a change, good call.
stu_u2k
Daily Mail reporting on our stadium http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2477641/Tottenham-Hotspur-courting-NFL-make-plans-65-000-stadium.html

As someone said last week, they say we want a sliding pitch to use for NFL & Football. And last week's 49ers visit also makes sense now.

This is good news....
sydqcb5
Liverpool are pi$$ing me off. Now I understand how other teams felt when Bale was single handedly dragging us last season. Suarez & Sturridge doing the job well for them and that is a understatement.

Likes of Everton & Southampton too looking good.

At the moment, I can compare our performances & results to Southampton. Both have similar template, go about doing professional job, no fuss, stop the other team from playing, be patient and take the chances when its presented. Bit mechanical less entertainment but job done.
sydqcb5
As for as Hull game is concerned, as others have said, its a must win game, so that we stay in the lead group.

Hull are without 4 key players -Aluko, Brady, Livermore, Mcgregor. Surely we should be winning this game, given their midfield which was helping in their defence is not there for the game.

My XI for the game

Lloris,
Walker, Dawson, Chiriches, Vertonghen
Sandro, Paulinho
Townsend, Eriksen, Chadli
Soldado
sydqcb5
50 posts on a pre match thread. Narrow minded individuals def taking its toll on VS. OM again uses an article to ridicule our team and manager. Seems using the squad is just stupid after posters moaned about wasting our best team against Sheriff. There is no pleasing a fool it seems. Maybe we should just go back to the Harry days " what have they got to moan about? They've seen some of the best football in recent times here, I don't think anyone can be disappointed with us"
Mix26
Mix26, agreed it is difficult here these days. Either there are trolls or other posters who believe only their opinion counts & ridicule and abuse others.
sydqcb5
2009 0-1 loss and 2010 - 0-0 draw.
Visiting Hull has been a difficult fixture in recent years. Hopefully, we get 3 pts today and march on
sydqcb5
sydqcb5 make no mistake, these individuals have been banned not just once but several times. What's sad is they seem to be getting popular and now have to deliver on their popularity...
Mix26
It's probably too early for AVB to go with a 433 but I do hope he experiments with it at some stage today. The weather will def affect the match later by the sounds of things which nullifies Thudd and their long balls so I expect hull to struggle to adjust to the conditions.
Mix26
spurfect I understand that of course...the option to have both is obviously a much better balanced set up and it keep the oppo guessing so for two reasons have both is best.
tophobunty1
spurfect I understand that of course...the option to have both is obviously a much better balanced set up and it keeps the oppo guessing so for two reasons have both is best. But did I say i would start Dembele today anywhere on this thread? No.
tophobunty1
Arky they are two good and to a degree untried, but it is positive and I not sure it is acutious enough for our current manager, who I beleive currently is showing all the traits of a manager who has too much fear to lose to allow him to set up to win.....he should be Italian (sorry Italian).........................Syd Suarez can do that because he is the bets player in the prem as he clearly was last season, in terms of peformances on the pitch, ability and contribution to his team when viewed against the overall performance of his team.....
tophobunty1
William Gallas is going to play over here in Australia!!
E17YID
Hi spuddies buddies. Shalom ;) OyV Maria - nice preview... but wait a sec, if Tom scores you'll eat your scarf huh? Wow, can't seem to get my head around that; do you mean the scarf itself or the chicken impression on it? I know you lot love chickens.... But seriously spuddies, I hope you lot win today as Hull Tigers should be one of those "winnables" for you imo to stay within touching distance...and above manure, before you start your predicted losing streak against Everton, City and Moyes' manure. So, COYS ;)
HGH Magic
For Australia E17?
tophobunty1
nah Melbourne hearts or Perth Glory! no in the Aussie version on EPL
E17YID
Yeah E17YID - dude went down under to Perth Glory, Western Australia. Good for the A-League you'd presume. You live there? How's my favorite Del Piero getting on? Still banging 'em in?
HGH Magic
guys I see then beating us will put 10 behind ball 1 counter attack score and defend and we will have no answer to it!!!
E17YID
^why do you see that?
HGH Magic
Blimey, any insight or clue for us mere mortals or eternal optimists like darken, peterbalb, longtimespurs, coopsieyid etc???
HGH Magic
E17...could happen that way but we really must beat this lot esp with their players missing. So much depends on how AVB pick it up, I dont see why he would want to keep it narrow at home to a team well below us coming here with top players out who will not doubt park the bus, if he does it just helps even it up for them. HGH i once beat Del Piero 3-0 at pool and I am not great at that, that season he was injured long term and joked with him about playing for Spurs, he didnt for some reason.
tophobunty1
Am expecting a good performance today, today is the day to get everyone happy, well most of us anyway.
Kong
^^'cause I don't think you should have any business dreaming up a top4 finish and CL footie if you lot can't beat, make that comfortably beat, a depleted Hull side!
HGH Magic
Just going back to a post regarding Dembele. Apart from being able to dribble past players in the middle what else does he offer? COYS!
James1
It seems that when Dembele passes players he then doesn't make the forward pass, it's either him not being confident enough to take it forward or even shoot or not enough space for him to do anything else, he is a top player but for some reason not doing it, very strong on the ball, he can offer a lot more
Kong
Hey topho, pool or snooker game you mean? If yes, well I'm not sure Alessandro plays that much. Maybe he does nowadays or was just messing around with you, and the balls?
HGH Magic
strength and keeps the ball well James1, there are two more things he does well. Like all he makes mistakes, but not like all he is constantly playing inner left receiving the ball back to him sideways and backwards and because of that total predictability he is closed down very quickly everytime, more than most others apart from Townsend for different reasons. I think this encourages him to do what is natural to him more often more deep lying, which is go past his first man, which is very positive further forward but a risk deeper which is where is is often made to be by the left side when the left side is set up narrow with two right footers. Would I start him today? probably not. I would start Eriksen though if i didnt start Dembele because without both you have VERY limited creativity centrally and if AVB starts two right footers on the left you have a VERY narrow and negative set up, the result of that is likely to be a certain brand of football and a more even game.
tophobunty1
all of that HGH and it wasnt these days. So i am in the clear. goodbye to you for the day.
tophobunty1
Goodbye
HGH Magic
Both good posts from Kong and Topho. I can see both Vert and Chadli playing today so maybe this is a perfect opportunity for Dembele? I would drop Paulinho to the bench for Sandro today, allowing Dembele to link with the left side and Sandro to cover Dembele on his surging runs and link up with the right side. Eriksen will become more involved as I can see Dembele and Eriksen linking well. COYS!
James1
James1 - interesting selection that I can see working, that will get the said players working to their strengths, I don't think Avb will do that tho
Kong
Off topic guys, dunno if it's just me but anyone else seen how such an expensive flop Bale is proving for Madrid?! Any ideas what's the problem? Is the apparent problem generic or perhaps symptomatic of the rigid Ancelotti/Zidane playing system? They look so boring and fking mechanical these days with Bale in the side; leaves one to think Levy is such a genius - contrary to what Pelebro would have you believe - and Perez a right old mug, no?
HGH Magic
i think that would be a decent set up certainly, just that I think this is the prime game to try Lennon right and Townsend left at the start, Chadli could come on, but i think its time we saw us at home to a bus parker without two invereted wingers...then we have the chance to rule it in or out as a potential solution to our problem.
tophobunty1
topho, if you want to maximise your chances of winning games the first step is to make sure you don't lose games, I remember Harry going to the Emirates 10 points ahead of Arsenal with a 442 formation and losing 5-2. Had we picked up a point from that game we would have finished above Arsenal instead of behind them.

Do we want carefree, champagne football every game and finish 5th, 6th or 7th every season or do we want to be contenders for the title? If we are going to contend we have to at times sacrifice spectacular football for the sake of the three points.

And no need to apologies for saying AVB is Italian in his approach, being Italian is what I am most proud of. I have been lucky enough to see Italian captains lift three World Cups and Italy losing finalists in two other finals in my lifetime, quite proud of that. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Italian, we have made the first step already and if we are to discuss tactics there is no point whatsoever in involving harry in the discussion. We didnt have carefree champagne football last season and we finished 5th. So are you saying you think playing this brand of football now has us title contenders at the moment? if not how much longer will it take do you think? when you say at "times miss spectalular football", we have not been spectacular in any of the first 8 games, thats a fairly big chunk if you are saying "at times". I am happy you are proud to be Italian I am very proud to be English, my reference to Italian was to a reputation the Italian game and coaches built for themselves over a long period of time, I didnt create that reputation, simply quoting it.
tophobunty1
Hi everyone, first post on here, been reading the comments for some time, always entertaining. I think three points today coys
Thats Entertainment
Topho, that is the point I was trying to put across, Italian coaching has achieved in terms of trophies. No we haven't seen any brilliant football, I quite agree, but I am happy with that if in the long term we build a team that will challenge. The good stuff will come. The reference to Harry was to illustrate the point that a boring 0-0 in that instance would have been a brilliant result. I am happy that you are also proud of being English. Some of by best friends are English.....
ItalianYiddo
According to reports a ''Big Storm'' is hitting the uk tonight, let's hope one hit's Hull at the lane from 16-00pm, the ''White Tornado'' Hull don't concede many, spurs to come good, we could do with a 3-0 plus win just to help out the GD. But all said and done 3pts will do just fine.
spu 4 life
Made love to the girlfriend last night 1 hour and 30 seconds in total, love it when the clocks go back.
spu 4 life
i am expecting another nail-biting affair at the boring lane today,we should ditch cautious 1st approach and throw the kitchen sink,especially against fodder like hull but avb is like moyes,caution first
ghulamville
Italian coaching has also led to half empty stadiums, there is a line here and in terms fo what AVB is currently doing I am at best 50/50 he has the chance to prove me and other doubters wrong and has been backed like no other spurs manager before him, so NO excuses. Do I like watching the way me play at the mo? No way.
tophobunty1
Dark, last week I called Townsend 2-0 on here, after the England match it was obvious,,, today all things considered Thudd 5-1 is the only outcome, put 50p on that!

There's lots of moaning on here and I think it is justified, up to Spurs and AVB to not only win but entertain, we finished 5th last season playing boring football at home, if rather come 8th we some games to remember.

On a positive note I'm glad Kyle Walker got a rest Thursday. He has played so many games over the last three seasons he was bond to make mistakes at his age. Good luck to him today, I think he can be a big threat to Hulls left side.
T.H.F.Chris
the so called "catenaccio"style is a thing of the past,even in italy very few now are advocates of this
ghulamville
It is not Italian coaching that has led to half empty stadiums, topho, is more the fact that every Serie A game is available live on Italian Sky. As I said very few of us can be happy at the way we are playing but the good stuff will come, we have had snippets so far. Lamela's assist in Paulinho's goal at Cardiff and paulinho assist for Soldado's goal against Villa. As our players become aware of each others movement the quick one twos will be more evident. I think AVB is doing more than ok in integrating the new players and still be in reach of second or third.
ItalianYiddo
spu 4..Yer missus...Think you misheard her..Sure she said, Love it when the cocks are black. ;-)
Cider spurs
The season will tell its story at the end Italian, I hope its a happy story for us.
tophobunty1
Most of the players adjusting fine to the high line, except Dawsons lack of pace, still a hero though. 2-1 today coys.
Thats Entertainment
ItalianYiddo, one thing apart from Redknapp's playing style that may have contributed to the 5-2 defeat at Arsenal, was the fact that a certain waste of space striker, who are still blessed with to this day, managed to get sent off when we were well in the game, leaving us with 10 men. Only a small point, but probably contributory to the defeat.
Frank
Hope so topho, ultimately we all sailing the same ship!
ItalianYiddo
A question to all you luvverly Lilywhites out there: Would you prefer a dull but solid 2-0 or, an end to end, highly entertaining 5-3 result?
MAN ON!
I think you have your 5-2 defeats mixed up Frank. When Harry lost to Arsenal 5-2, Parker was sent off in the 88th minute for a 2nd yellow. Ade was sent off in a separate 5-2 loss to Arsenal, last season under AVB.
Guyver
3 points all that matters,6-5 not good for the nerves!!
Thats Entertainment
The hard fact is that if we are unable to beat Hull, especially a depleted Hull, then we will have no right to be considered a top 4,5 contender. The loss of a second successive home game, against teams from the lower echelons of the PL, following the disasterous defeat v West Ham, is simply unthinkable. If the unthinkable were to happen, then the ensuing volley of excuses on here, will make interesting reading. Of course, if things unfold as they ought to, and should do, then we will beat Hull decisively, we will just have to wait and see. It is interesting to see that confidence is slipping, and 23% in the poll are saying Hull will win. Normally I wouldn't expect that figure to exceed 10%.
Frank
Should say not to exceed 10%.
Frank
Apologies to ItalianYiddo, and thanks to Guyver for the correction. Of course you are absolutely correct.
Frank
ManOn what about all that space between the 2-0 and the 5-3 i would take that please.
tophobunty1
Watched the highlights of Liverpool v a previously on form WBA, and the whole of the Southampton v Fulham games. In both games the value of incisive forward passing and movement at pace, and the making of scoring chances was clearly demonstrated, and the entertainment generated in both games was clearly evident. Incidentally how much did Sturridge cost liverpool, from memory less than £15M, and the guy is looking the business.
Frank
Thats Entertainment, If I witness a 6-5 scoreline today I will leave WHL on a high having probably witnessed the most exciting game I've ever seen there! Yes it would have been nerve wrecking but one hell of a game to remember and, to say, "I was there"! (I suggested 5-3 as it's the same goal difference as 2-0).
MAN ON!
It was inevitable that Liverpool would get their act together soon or later with Rodgers in charge but Southampton? Respect!
ItalianYiddo
ItalianYiddo and Frank, I watch Liverpool and think to myself Sturridge? I would like to see him at Spurs. Suarez? Dislike him intensely but he is bloody impressive! I'd probably love/hate him if he was our player.
MAN ON!
Would love to see this line up today:

Lamela Soldado

Townsend Paulinho Sandro Lennon

Verthongen Chiriches Dawson Walker

Llorris

ItalianYiddo
MAN ON! I hope you do see an exciting game today, just wish I was going coys
Thats Entertainment
Frank...Right on the money mate...top 4 aspirations mean a depleted Hull City side have to be beaten. A loss will not allow for ANY excuses, and none should be granted. Post match comments will hopefully be positive, and, hopefully a TRUE reflection of the game and not some misplaced loyalty whilst wearing Spurs tinted spectacles. Let's tame the tiger !! COYS.
Cider spurs
Man on, both quality players, would have both at Spurs. Where are you sitting today?
ItalianYiddo
Tame the Tiger and feed him to the Cockerels! COYS!
MAN ON!
Agreed Cider, the West ham debacle MUST be a one off.
ItalianYiddo
Thats Entertainment, I hope we all see a convincing win and that the wild weather is not the main talking point.
MAN ON!
ItalianYiddo, South Upper.
MAN ON!
The weather is going to cause havoc with poor Thuds hair. ;-)
Cider spurs
I'm East Stand Lower, WHEN we score I'll wave in your direction! Enjoy the game. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Italian, If Rose is not fit I would prefer to see 3 at the back, we could than play 352 with two genuine quick wide men. The extra man up front with Soldado could be Ade to see how that worked or either Eriksen or Lamela.
tophobunty1
Cheers, you too.
MAN ON!
Cider lol ;)
James1
If we score 5, all 4 limbs will be waving in all directions!
MAN ON!
Italian..Don't wave too much....Ref might disallow for offside.
Cider spurs
Is the game televised anywhere? Would love to watch and decorate at the same time ;) COYS!
James1
MAN ON! you don't have 5 limbs lol
James1
I can see that working topho, at home, against the likes of Hull we should be more adventurous.
ItalianYiddo
I leave my spare one at home, in case the missis misses me!
MAN ON!
topho..I have considered the 3 5 2 and as you rightly state, i think it would serve the defence well. Ball playing at Right side in Chiriches/Kaboom, Daws/ Kaboom CB and Verts over at Left. Could free an extra player further up the pitch where we seem to be struggling for space. Sounds strange some may think adding another player further up, in an area that is often already too congested, but if he was two footed ( Townsend ) maybe he could be employed as a floater. (no jokes required ).
Cider spurs
James1...You've missed a bit !.
Cider spurs
Fair point Cider, the extra man up front would stretch their defence if we are using all the width available
ItalianYiddo
I had a mate who was a copper once, he came round and helped me decorate...My first brush with the law.
Cider spurs
James1, watching paint dry might be more fun.
MAN ON!
Definetely think we should go two up today, don't think is going to happen though, that AVB geyser can be a stubborn git....
ItalianYiddo
Roll on 4'o clock.
Cider spurs
Want to see a good performance today..not just one that papers over the cracks.
Cider spurs
Bristling with confidence.
Cider spurs
Why does the countdown to kick-off always give me such a buzz? I set myself up for a fall every bloody time. Who'd support Spurs? I wouldn't have it any other way. Try and enjoy you lot.....Up the Lilywhites! COYS!
MAN ON!
Ideal scenario would see Soldado grab one or two, and then let's bring Ade on, and see what other options or tactics can be implemented. May i suggest this may be the way forward in any case if things are not panning out as we would hope.
Cider spurs
Cider spurs, you're glossing over subject.....
MAN ON!
Roll on 5'o clock.

I`m getting so lazy i`m leaving the clocks as they are.
We sing what we want
Let`s hope we have an exciting game packed with passion & emulsion :)
We sing what we want
If Thudd scores an own goal does he go straight to his favourite N17 barbershop for a short back'n'sides or does he loose himself and celebrate with the Park Lane?
MAN ON!
Cider, Townsend is good enough to play anywhere a lose man up front he would be very dangerous, I guess i see that working better away from home...i think today we need to keep the pitch wide...
tophobunty1
ps Cider, the 3 at the back for me would be Walker Dawson/Chircihes Verts left of the 3. unless kabs was fit and he would take the centre spot for me.
tophobunty1
Feed the Andros, that feeds the Bobby, that feeds the goal!
MAN ON!
tophobunty1 IMO you overrate Townsend.He is far from Bale in that anywhere across the mddle role.

Only place i`ve ever been impressed with Townsend is on the right,he`s not clever enough to play behind the striker & on the left he looks lost to me.A Rooney Townsend is not ,he has to improve his killer pass & decision making to even contemplate anywhere else,walk before you can run dude.He`s not up there with Walcott yet,but the potential is there.
We sing what we want
Andros is looking a lot better than Bale did last night. I can only see him improving as the season goes on.
MAN ON!
Wouldn't mind seeing Ade get some minutes as we need to utilise him if he is staying or get him fit and up and running if we want to sell him in January.
I wouldn't mind starting Vertonghen at LB if Rose isn't fit because Fryers probably injured and Naughton hasn't done that well there but Vertonghen doesn't really like LB but if he can help us out until Rose comes that would be better imo and have Dawson and Vlad in the centre. If Kaboul is fit he needs to be on the bench.

Lennon for me with Townsend, both can swap sides to see how it goes. Would like to see Townsend on the left as a natural left footer but he has done well on the right so with Lennon they can try it out swapping.

Sandro a must in the middle with Paulinho and maybe Dembele as I am not sure Eriksen, lamela are strong enough to conbat Hull and Chadli although stronger I think Dembele may get the nod with Soldado up top.

I think Eriksen and lamela need a bit more time and so does Chadli and although I am not a fan of Dembele as he holds the ball too long and doesn't actually create much or score much he does have the PL experience and I think a tough Hull side we need that and if we have Lennon and Townsend we may have enough pace and trickery to feed Soldado.

I don't want to see Siggy he has had poor games recently, Holtby has done well but he started in Europa. Happy to have Siggy, Holtby, lamela, eriksen, Ade, on the bench along with defoe, Kaboul if not injured.
WorldPeace
Lamela Soldado Townsend Paulinho Sandro Lennon Verthongen Chiriches Dawson Walker Llorris I would like to see Ade and Ericksen come on around the 65min mark if all is good !!
LOcE1980
Townsend has improved but he is not a Bale even though Bale is struggling at the moment. However, Bale wasn't great in the centre when he first started, how many times when HR was in we screamed for Bale to go back to the left. Bale become better in that central position under AVB imo.

lets not get carried away with Townsend, one for him, he doesn't need the pressure and two it is early days and he is on a learning curve. I think we need to see him on the left and he also needs to improve his defensive responsibilities, his shooting and his decision making before he reaches his potential, but he is improving. We will know how good he is when he is challenged, when performances drop and when other players start to man mark him, how he responds to all of this. Learning and improving takes time and while he is doing well he is nowhere near as good as some fans make him out to be, not yet.

As for Bale imo I loved him but he wasn't world class. His left foot shot and scoring ability was world class but his overall game was not and is not and imo that is why he s struggling at RM at the moment along wit lack of fitness, settling in and change of life and country and everything that goes with that and also I am not convinced RM way of playing suits his game coupled with Ronaldo who has that freedom to express himself, can't really afford two players like that in a team.

Bale strength at Spurs was when we were on the break, we released him with pace and he ran and was amazing and later in his last season his ability to pick the ball up on the right, cut in make a small amount of space for himself and shoot from outside the area scoring amazing goals. However, at RM they play similar to how we are trying to play, build up play from the back with Ronaldo doing what Bale did for us last season, having the freedom to move along that front line, from the right mostly but in the centre as well and that works as long as other players do the other stuff, cover him and get the ball to him. With RM if Ronaldo is doing that you can't have the luxuary of another player doing that on the other side, they will get caught out if two players are doing the same thing so Bale is having to play in Ronaldo's shadow because Ronaldo is their number one and he knows it so Bale hasn't as much freedom and is style of play, running with pace on the break isn't happening because they play a passing game and if they do break quickly then as I said Ronaldo is that player so Bale will be bypassed.

RM haven't played great and it is obvious they are trying to make room for Bale but I still don't think the manager really wanted him because they didn't need him but now he has to play him. I am sure he will improve and do well the only danger I see is if he gets the time and if the stop starting games is going to make it more difficult for him to impress and help with his fitness and injury problems.

Townsend, still needs to be disciplined and needs to continue working hard and we need to keep out feet on the ground with him and all our players especially the new ones.

Watching RM and Barcelona I thought Barcelona was a different class when it came to passing and creating and a much more exciting team to watch. However, with RM they will improve and I am sure Bale will improve but it may take time. Will he become a legend for RM I don;t know, this is a learning curve for him as it is for Townsend for us and only time will tell. To be a legend at a club like Barcelona and RM you really have to be special and as I said at the time with Bale before he left, I loved him and he was great but world class, NO and imo he should have stayed another season or so with us to establish himself and his confidence in his own ability before making that move. One or two more seasons as the best PL player would have helped him cope with the pressure and his confidence would have been much stronger, now he has given himself a huge challenged when he was still learning his trade imo as a top player. Only he will know if he can make it and only time will tell whether he will make it and whether he will get the time to make it at such a big club.

Townsend is the same, he has the opportunity to become a great player, but there is a long way to go.
WorldPeace
Hahahahahaha Cider spurs and MAN ON! Liking the puns! On a tea break now. COYS!
James1
wswww stop skirting around the subject ;) COYS!
James1
Whose plsying Devils Advocate? I know satinwood. COYS!
James1
WSWWW your track record is dubious on wide man opinion old matey....i guess we will only know if he plays there, many on here raped me for over rating townsend 2 years ago and 1 year ago, it was obvious to me he could do what he has, equally to me its obvious he can play a lose rold up front. time will tell...anyway hope Lennon is playing today too.....and have you washed your pants?
tophobunty1
Multise players / multiuse stadium...is this the new innovation brought to THFC by Avb/Lewis/Levy.
82spursdebut
Multiuse players / Multiuse stadium.
82spursdebut
82spursdebut, AVB is a still young enough to play. Maybe we could then have a multi use manager
In-spurs-ational
I think that is going a bit too far....lol
82spursdebut
tophobunty1 HA HA that`s true.I actually believe lennon could be as good as Walcott if he could actually kick a ball.Lennon does some good work,but you can`t be a top wing player when your weakness is your ability to cross or shoot.
Townsend has been showing lennon up IMO,it`s the left that needs addressing.We miss Bale badly,but that`s water under the bridge.
Last 4 seasons everything coming from the left,this season everything coming from the right.Spurs need to find balance if they want to compete for top honours.
We also need a upfront partnership.Suarez & Sturridge,Persie & Rooney,Aguero & Negredo, etc etc
Spurs need to establish 2-3 players with chemistry uptop then the goals will come.

IMO Adebayor & Soldado could be lethal together if Adebayor wants to play & impress.
We sing what we want
wswww...Think it was only yesterday that i commented on the same thing. Two strikers at times could serve us very well, and as both you and i have stated, it appears a lot of the so called big clubs are able, and do, play this way. Ade's hold up, and Soldados movement of him could prove very successful. i do not believe it has to be one or the other.
Cider spurs
and ha ha back bigC made me smile. yes Lennon could be better, but it really does seem to me over the last 3-5 years we have played better when he has been playing....each of those partnerships has a genuinely world class striker and each someone who could he a genuine world class number 10....in Ronney and Suarez case they can be world class at both....of course we need to better "forwards" than we have now, but this forum has been saying this for 3 years or more
tophobunty1
Cider spurs Did Soldado not prove last week,one opportunity & the ball is in the back?.
I`m all for this loan striker if the striker gets support,Soldado doesn`t often as 4-5-1 stays 4-5-1.
Watched Southampton yesterday & at times they had 5 players in opposing box.Our options are limited because AVB limits the options.

As Modric used to say I am peacock,let me fly.Best form of defence is attack,& it`s also the best way of playing football the way it should be played.AVB plays it like a game of chess,let them express themselves.
Today i think we`ll see an onslaught.
Hope to see Adebayor & Soldado on the pitch at the same time today.
We sing what we want
agree 100% wswww...let them free....ps did you see the ball Modric gave to Ronaldo to start the move off for the Real goal yesterday, it was played to quickly and IN FRONT OF HIM so he didnt need to break stride....
tophobunty1
tophobunty1 I missed the game,only Spanish game i watch too,didn`t even know it was on.
We sing what we want
Lloris; Walker, Chiriches, Dawson, Vertonghen; Paulinho, Sandro; Townsend, Holtby, Lennon; Soldado #THFC....apparently
jacobslad
Interesting line up. Good to see we have got natural wingers in Lennon and Townsend back. Also it appears AVB now favours Holtby over Eriksen which is not surprising given the recent form of the latter but still Lewis has now to produce something to justify that selection.
Moscovite
subs:Lamela, Naughton, Defoe, Dembele, Sigurdsson, Eriksen, Friedel
jacobslad
thats a 50/50 side a step in the right direction, i struggle to see Holtby over Eriksen though, interesting ir that is the side to see which side he starts lennon/townsend on
tophobunty1
No acceptable tiredness excuses today after the midweek trip. They've had an extra hour in bed.
Love totty
love totty, that is genius.....
tophobunty1
#hcafc Team vs #Spurs : Harper, Rosenior, Figueroa, Bruce, Davies, McShane, Elmohamady, Huddlestone, Meyler, Boyd, Sagbo
SpursSnM
#hcafc Subs: Jakupovic, Quinn, Brady, Koren, Gedo, Proschwitz, Mclean
SpursSnM
Just to let you know they're playing 5-3-2...5 centre backs on our lone striker? Also Steve Bruces son is making his first appearance from the start 4 hull this season, he surely cant be that great if even his dad doesnt usually start him xD.
SpursSnM
Don't exaggerate T'opho, exceptionally clever will suffice.
Love totty
I had an extra hour in bed as well, did me the power of good :-) Well done to Gus Poyet getting 3pts, COYS lets get all 3pts vs Hull, Villa to beat wet spam, draw at the bridge would good, be even better if the high winds blew it away. If we can move the ball quicker into Lennon and Townsend, i can't see any reason not to beat hull tigers.
spu 4 life
Left footer at left back.........the signs are good.
82spursdebut
left footer at left back ? AVB is footballing genius
We sing what we want
http://www.coolsport.tv/schedule.html stream 7 don't download anything just click and close pop up's if FLV comes up just kep clicking the red cross it will go, just takes a few go's. UK based only.
spu 4 life
anyway have an arrangement to meet a friend so my mrs and i going t pub to watch the other game...damn bad planning. might manage to sneak home for 2nd half....enjoy.... COYS
tophobunty1
An early goal for us and floodgates will open. 0-0 at half time then it may be painful viewing. I like the look of the team and expect the former scenario. COYS!
Critical_Spur
13:30 Sunderland 2 - 1 Newcastle Lee Probert G Beswick R Ganfield K Friend 16:00 Chelsea v Man City Howard Webb D Cann S Ledger C Foy 16:00 Spurs v Hull Michael Oliver S Burt M Scholes G Scott 16:00 Swansea v West Ham Phil Dowd R West M Perry R East
spu 4 life
Considering the necessity for (smart) rotation, I like the line-up. I always knew that AVB had a (ultimate) cunning plan of Walker, Kaboul/Dawson, Chiriches and Vertonghen. If Kaboul is not installed by second half of season, I feel his contract might not be extended.

I like the battling midfield, too ... against a potential 4-6-0; the utility of Holtby will be more vital ... save Eriksen for silkier opponents (or a comfortable second half).

COYS!
roforofoSpurs
Interesting that No Ade....not even on bench?!
Critical_Spur
As this squad of so many Tottenham newbies combines as best it can, it would be nice to see Spurs grind out another win today. I don't care who scores or doesn't score for Spurs, no more than I care who keeps the ball out of our net at the other end. It is a team game in which this or that individual may sparkle on a given day while this or that other teammate has a tougher game to play. Anyone can sparkle, anyone can not quite get started, so it is down to the team members to support each other. I'd show Hull a bit of respect, all those stories about their missing players being an attempt to disarm opponents into thinking they'll be easy meat. Why would Hull or any other club side agree to be easy meat? They have had far more chance to study Spurs on TV than the other way around, so Spurs need to be on their guard today.
Airwave
http://www.coolsport.tv/stream7.html
micky58
Glad to see Holtby Lennon and Sandro start. Hull playing 4-5-1, 9 men behind the ball for them me thinks.
spurfect one
Anyone got a good link?
roforofoSpurs
Critical_ Spurs it seems Ade has fallen out with AVB cause he would give him a go up front during mid week.
Slurms McKenzie
Yea Ade demand a go up front but AVB said the airline rules meant only the pilot could fly the plane...
Slurms McKenzie
Little gift from China, crystal clear too........ http://live.video.sina.com.cn/room/pl4?sinatracker=baidu_ala_sports_yc_general
sukhothai
All our players when receiving a ball facing our own goal. Are they aware of the forward play concept?
Moscovite
must win game
123spurs
Sandro is on booking already, expect Dembele to come out soon and slow us further down.
Moscovite
Feking hell, we are getting battered by Hull at home..
Moscovite
sandro way to careless to today very sloppy free kicks away
123spurs
AVB`s tactics & set up are becoming increasingly worrying.
Hull look like they have one more man someitmes,c`mon AVB sort it.
We sing what we want
we are a total mess again same issues upfront its pointless having a stricker the way we are playing
123spurs
I thought the worst shooting in PL belonged to Lennon until Holtby showed up..
Moscovite
we are dreadful
Cape Town Spurs
worrying thing is that hull havent even there full team out
123spurs
AVB wins the how to play kuck dull football prize
Cape Town Spurs
Finally people wake up and start to realise what a slow laboured and predictable drab we have become. Also you never know if Holbty passes or shoots but neither is good.
Moscovite
same s hit different game
123spurs
Spurs fans will boo this off,& deserved.
We sing what we want
something is very very wrong wth out football.... maybe AVB is not the messiah but actually just a terd?
Cape Town Spurs
"To dare is to do" has become "Sideways and backwards" these days.
Moscovite
avb is more intrested in stats an posession etc
123spurs
why is our best player eriksen on the bench
123spurs
4 goals a home is dreadful afrer spending 100 mil what of harry had this we wold of been better off by looks of it
123spurs
never thought i'd write this but i'm on the verge of saying my dog is a better manager than avb... he really is shwoing himself as a-grade ****
Cape Town Spurs
CM getting a bit of a going over with our 2 Brazilians Sandro in particular not dictating. Said before but we are crying out for Ade, someone to play off and the ball to stick up top.
gatch75
Chelsea waited until spring. I say we'd better off without him before X-mas.
Moscovite
its so easy to play against spurs, 2 blocks of 4 and ur sorted
123spurs
we are rubbish... this is relegation form... avb should pack his bags & F-off
Cape Town Spurs
Omg we are truly awful. Reminds me of Ramos days. Slow, no urgency, players unclear, back to goal. Hmmmmm
mattspurs1982
This is West Ham all over again.
Moscovite
The anxiety in the stands is unbelievable,playing HULL FFS
We sing what we want
we spend 100 mil and this is what we get c'om FFS what is avb tatics
123spurs
3 attempts on target with 65% of possession. And as always zero clear cut chances. Our football is a joke.
Moscovite
1 striker up ront on hes own is not working, so maybe 442 would be a better idea
123spurs
Lennon is still $hit & Holtby is out of his depth.
We sing what we want
Large distance between our back 4 & MF, very similar to Spammers game. Neither pressing high nor sitting deep but if we loose possesion acres of space. Dembelle for Sandro on the hr because since the booking very tentative.
gatch75
harry or AVB even harry harrys haters must be thinking even if they dont like the guy personaly
123spurs
Inverted wingers is not a good option for us. Play with width and I bet Soldado bangs in the 25 a season that he is worth!
alexellen
agree Mattspurs... defintely worst football since Ramos. if avb after spending 100mil cannot respodn and fast then sack him and move on and preferably very soon... like half time
Cape Town Spurs
Too true gatch, about Sandro.
alexellen
Spot on mattspurs - awful and so NOT entertaining, at home to *spits outs* Hull Tigers.... Told you lot AVB's system means less goals scored yet some here would rather stay recklessly optimistic. Lol
HGH Magic
Not having a dig; Q how many times have we gone in 0-0 at the lane since AVB took over. Job for the stat kings. Soldado is completely isolated against 3 centre backs, one change if it's going into 60mins 0-0 is to play 2 up top, we look in need of a physical presence to help Soldado, we have sucked hull onto us, they will go in believing they can win this, only they won't.
spu 4 life
Sack AVB, wtf, fickle is not the word,
gatch75
i was (& still am, just), an avb fan, but maybe we've been hoodwinked and he is basically a bit pants. i hate to think it may be true but he is hardly the answer lets face it
Cape Town Spurs
Dembele for Sandro, Eriksen for Holtby at half time and maybe Chadli or Siggie later in the game.
Moscovite
gatch its the same every game, and big games we ; played we lost them all exacpt chelsea
123spurs
Funny how uber optimistic guys like Moscovite are calling for avb's sack already; wonder what the James1, Mix26 and coopsieyids of this little spurs world would say. LOLest
HGH Magic
lose 0-3 to WH, next home game lose to Hull City... TAXI FOR AVB
Cape Town Spurs
Cape town can you please stop being so negative, every time I come onto this site all I see is you moaning. Find another team to support if you despize spurs so much, or take up cricket like all the other south africans.
SpursSnM
You can cut and paste these comments for every home game, the bloke just doesn't believe in playing like a Spurs team. As some of us said when he came, if you rely on a lap top and a clip board, rather than proper past experience, from actually putting on a pair of football boots, and playing the bloody game, this is always the risk. It looks like another "gimmee" game getting away, just like West Ham in the last home game. No doubt all the apologists will flock on here making excuses for the bloke. We have spent £100M and we are worse than last year, when Gareth Bale got Mr. AVB out of jail in many games, when we played like this and nicked 3 points, hence our false position.
Frank
Fail to win this match and kiss CL foooootball goodbye ;)
HGH Magic
HGH Magic Don`t worry,they will be analysing every post.

We will still win as their best player is Huddlefro,who couldn`t get in our team.
But when your playing a team that NOT one player will get in yours,why are you struggling?

AVB has to increase the tempo,we look the worst side in the top 8,it`s just plain BORING.
We sing what we want
Are we proppsding up the table or something 123spurs, last time I looked we go third if we win. Instead of sharpening the knives lets see what impact AVB has at halft time. Try by pressing higher up the pitch and decreasing that gaping gap between Def and Mf. Inveretd wingers is absolutely fine if ur fullbacks provide the width and since Rose has been out the left side is non existent. Dembelle for Sandro & Lennon for either Erriksen or Lamella. Think we would see a different Soldado if he played off Ade. And WHL on days like today is no benefit. Team need a lift off the fans and the fans also need a lift. Got the horrible complacent vibe unfortunatly
gatch75
HGH Magic, CL football? Just yesterday Paulinho and Eriksen BOTH claimed we're going to win the League.
Moscovite
okay, i'm going to stop winging now before someone verbally attacks me... sorry for all the negative stuff but our football makes me want to stick pins in my eyes
Cape Town Spurs
Gatch75, we are not crying out for Ade, we are crying out for Benteke or Lukaku, we could have probably got either, with the £30M we pi$$ed up the wall on Lamela.
Frank
SpursSnM - go pheck yourself - you know nothing about me, where I WAS BORN, so shut it
Cape Town Spurs
gatch75 My problem with Spurs is not so much our league standing or our stats.

It`s down to the fact we have become almost unwatchable.Watch the Chelsea V City game & Agueros goal,that`s what EPL football is all about.
Even when Spurs win,i cannot watch the repeat highlights because it`s of no good to the spectators.
WHL has become a cemetery for football
We sing what we want
Cape Town Spurs +1
We sing what we want
last thing spurs SnM, I've probably, no almost certainly, spent more years supporting Spurs and living in Nth London than you will ever accumulate so don't push it and tell me to supprt someone else when I was born just down the road from the club you *********
Cape Town Spurs
S.O.S - same old Spurs....we are not dominating them like we should be. Same pattern as the spammers, until spam scored.
vicspur
As I said yesterday, all this "a game we would be expected to win", expected by whom. I bet the bloody bookies love Spurs, we feck up all the home win accumulators and make them a fortune.
Frank
if that was ade or defoe he would be slated poor miss
123spurs
Frank But when you have lamela on the bench who cost the whole of Hulls first 11....
Questions need to be asked
We sing what we want
Holtby couldn`t pass the salt
We sing what we want
We sing, fair point, but in AVBs defence he would have planned his entire pre season around having Bale in the team, envisaging a real dynamic 433, With Soldado up to and someone like Villa coming in off the left. Hes finding his best shape and players arent grabbing the jersey, Erriksen starts great then tails off, Sandro seems to have it nailed then has a mare today. I think what we see come Jan will be totally different to what we see today
gatch75
SpursSnM, how dare you talk to Cape Town Spurs like that, he like me probably remembers this club when it played proper football. We are all entitled to an opinion whether positive or negative. No doubt a lot of the negative comment will become positive, when the manager and the team earn it, they most certainly are not doing so at the moment. I'm afraid AVB's early promise, ably assisted by Gareth Bale, is fast becoming doubt and frustration, only he can re-convince us with his team selections, set ups, and tactics. Something had better change and quick, otherwise by the end of November when we have played Everton, City, and Utd, 3 of the proper teams in the league, we will be looking pretty sick.
Frank
The glaring thing for me is a striker with a bit more physical prescence. U cant play 1 up top with a striker like Defoe or Soldado imho unless you are so good at maintaining possesion that you dont need the ball to stick with your No9.
gatch75
we have 30 mil on the bench and not touched why not have 30mil in the bank????
123spurs
FFS Frank chill out
gatch75
I can't watch this anymore, I am to depressed. This is the most boring football I have seen us play in the last 30 years I have watched spurs. I am so disheartened by this.
markyboy40
Where are the optimists ? the better fans ?

Come on here & tell us what great football we`re playing.
We sing what we want
i am not convinced our manager knows what he is doing
tophobunty1
AVB is clueless...this does not make me plastic or stupid or a troll. it is just my opinion. can he go on to be a great manager, perhaps -- is he right now, not a pheck
Cape Town Spurs
You know what makes me laugh is the fact most of the time we complain about many clear cut chances not being converted. Well, this game hasn't seen ANY!
Moscovite
tophobunty1 HA HA We play much better with Lennon LOL LOL
We sing what we want
Still painting..how bad is it? COYS!
James1
lose to west ham - can't bat hull - shouldn't have a job
Cape Town Spurs
James1 You don`t want to know.

If it stays like this there will no cracks to paper over.Only a goal will do that.
it`s sad to see Spurs so limp & impotent.
We sing what we want
they have 4/5 defenders to our 1 stricker
123spurs
i read today we were building a 65000 seater stadium - play like this and a 6 & a half seater should be plenty
Cape Town Spurs
wswww we play much better under harry
123spurs
peno
123spurs
That`s a penalty all day long
We sing what we want
mr peno man sing me a song
123spurs
Talk about luck
Love totty
well its 1-0 but not in 1 million years was that a pen...now lets get 2/3
tophobunty1
Thankfully, we're having our fair share of luck!
Durbanspur
See AVB just handed Verts a piece of paper, saying cross it and win a pen because we couldnt score in a Brothel. Genius
gatch75
harsh peno tobe honest
123spurs
Goldado!
darkenvai
Palace, Swansea and now Hull. All dispatched with a Soldado penalty. This is becoming comedy central.
Moscovite
And I bet on him to be first scorer :-D
darkenvai
We go 4-4-2 & we score.
We sing what we want
were so ***** i cant even celebrate the goal
Cape Town Spurs
i said we go 442
123spurs
that's like 3 wins on pens. if we hadn't had the pens so minus 9 points we'd be 14 or 15 in the league - a real reflection of AVB's talent
Cape Town Spurs
Hudd 30 yard screamer?
gatch75
Cape Town Spurs I actually know what your saying.

Watching Spurs has you on such a downer it`s for a goal to pick you up.80 minutes of watching Eastenders
We sing what we want
Townsend insists on coming back on, despite being wrapped in bandages. Geezer!
darkenvai
lucky feckers that was sheit
tophobunty1
95% of our issues and the quality of our play with a striker who makes the ball stick.
gatch75
I`m sorry,but Spurs are the most bring team in the league.

Making even Stoke look better & more exciting.It`s dreadful
We sing what we want
look where we are in the league and we are so poor
123spurs
we sing what we want.... exactly we cant keep surviving on scraps of luck like this.... and our manager cant pretend he's winning games that he's gifted. pants pants pants
Cape Town Spurs
Well that should make for some interesting comment from the Blind Faith brigade. No doubt winning ugly will be praised and AVB celebrated for the fighting spirit instilled in the team.
Love totty
As a true spurs supporter it's the result that counts, so PHUCK EM. deadly SOLDADO from 12 yrds. Glad Andros is OK and what a great attitude wanting to come back on, top stuff young man.
spu 4 life
If Utd or Chelski won playing ugly we all be saying theres something in their DNA which we are lacking. We never do that etc. You almost get the impression some people dont want us to win so they can have a bit of one upmanship and say "I told you so" Just think how good it will be if we do click.
gatch75
It's amazing we can look so clueless yet still occupy 4th spot, not sure that will last if things don't improve... although imagine where we'd be if we did improve!
Guyver
I expect another "great performance at home today, lads show some character and bounced back from disappointing west ham result" post match inti.
Moscovite
Tottenham in the top four and I'm a richer man than I was a couple of hours ago. Try not to choke on your misery fellas.
darkenvai
yeah they defended with 15 men there
ledders77
gatch75 - when, not if ;-)
darkenvai
4th in the league playing ugly that will do me , see you later losers
ledleygomez
before ppl start saying it's the end of the world, we should take into account there was little space as Hull were defending in numbers... they plaid 541 right? hope we learn from this and AVB comes up with a solution to this.
ledders77
I'm trying to keep the faith in AVB but we are so one dimensional it is shocking. Give our squad to Brendan Rogers or Michael Laudrup and we'd have more points, definitely more goals and would play better football. We 're winning but we make it so dull and depressing and have to rely on luck to scrape 1-0 wins. Not good enough with our squad.
SpuriousLife
Darkenvai, exactly,
gatch75
we could start with 2 up front for teams that come to defend at the Lane. Also, get the wingers crossing as well as cutting in. TOWNSEND... pass the ******** ball here and there will ya??????
ledders77
That should read 3 pens from SOLDADO got us 9pts, but then you can't please some people. I would take that result in every prem game, it's winning that counts, if teams pack 5 behind 4 waste time, then try and play hurry up football, hull got what they deserved PHUCK ALL.
spu 4 life
Hey guys, calm down, we got the 3 points, and if we have to win ugly so be it,or would you rather play expansive pretty footie and lose?... i prefer to win, however it comes, remember we are still a new team waiting to gel.........although i wish we would put more crosses in the box instead of trying to play thru the middle when there are 2 banks of four in front of us.......and it was defo a penalty, he put he,s arm out to stop the cross and thats a penalty
micky58
One thing we can't change, and many have pointed this out and I agree... we haven't got a bulldozer of a forward to mix it in and force things to happen.
ledders77
So disappointed that we are only 4th. Lucky Torres goal depriving us of 3rd. Anyway, another gritty, patient performance against another spoiling team. If teams want to come to WHL and set themselves up like that, eventually they will be ground down. Some inspired substitutions by AVB. We now have a run of games against a few teams who will come out and attack. Cooldado, what a pen taker.
jacobslad
3 points very welcome. I was glad to see Sandro Holtby and Lennon start but all 3 had average games. Impressed by Chiriches but he is the type of defender who will take a chance and give you a heart attack in the process. Apart from that no standout performances.

Everton away will be completely different, we will not favourites which could favour us. I fancy our chances away from home more.
spurfect one
Hope Ade can play a part this season. Often wonder about the Ade situation... can a player not get the sack if seen to be slacking consistently?
ledders77
I think think it is unfair to sat clueless based on all the games we have played Guyver. Based on todays performance, yes. But yes Guyver i said you summed it up very well Guyver. Let not kid ourselves, we need to improve and i don't see us getting any worse.
asherthesmasher
Only the scousers and Goons are really clicking. Chelski and City in patches and we are still on their coat tales. Soldado is far from ideal as a lone striker in the Prem and needs to adapt, Stick his butt in to the CB at times and just wait for support. Too much one touch looking for the perfect goal. I think our issues can be solved massively with that alone. Suppose Im in the blind faith brigade, but its a far happier place to be.
gatch75
Love totty And what is wrong with winning ugly. ALL the top teams do it week in and week out. Just that sometimes they have an overly special win and that is what is concentrated on. A lot of the time they grind out a win and play ugly. It says a lot that we can actually win these days by playing ugly. Two or three seasons ago we WOULD have lost this game in the last minute or two of injury/stoppage time. THAT in itself PROVES we have progressed. That plus the amount of clean sheets kept. So please STFU with your whining you sound like a baby that's lost it's dummy.
chrishove123
Agree spu 4 life and jacobslad... nice to see the opposition players get ground down, could be seen as the 2nd half went on.
ledders77
Hull got what they deserved, for being so negative and spurs got what they deserved for being inside the opposition penalty box. "Come on you Spurs".
82spursdebut
Righto thats done with then. The only positive is we are 3 points off top, play terribly and win will do better than a sterling performance and a loss for me. ALL the teams will have bad days and lose, if we have more of these and win, although painful to watch, is preferable to playing well and coming away with nowt. Cheers Ref, what a gift, we are owed a bit of fortune in that department. Obviously we all want to see an improvement in style, panache, and more goals. The results don't lie though and hopefully the rest will come in time. Have a little faith, a little more support and some patience. I am not suggesting the game wasn't pony but Rome wasn't built in a day.
sukhothai
No way was that a penalty in a million years but it does provide a band-aid for another typical performance. Either the players that we bought are not very good or the manager is using them incorrectly, or not at all. On the positive side, yet another consistent performance, on the negative side this level is clearly not good enough. Only bright spot for me was Chiriches, a CB who wants to play football..good on you.
Harry-Kari
Chrishove spot on.
gatch75
Show of hands

Who would happily watch that game again?
We sing what we want
We sing, Id rather watch that again than us loossing in the 5-3 classic with Utd every day of the week
gatch75
One word sums up us.. Crap
chris symmonds
we won. 3 points. great. but at home against hull, no dis-respect intended, and after a 0-3 hammering pun intended. we look clueless. we lack drive. we lack ambition. people on here assume because my 'name' is Cape Town I may as well support Manchester Utd and don't have the intelligence to imagine maybe my roots are at this football club. The same people that don't care how we win, as long as we win, even when we play like our shoe-laces are tied together. And I'm plastic! Pheck you
Cape Town Spurs
Who would want to watch Hull !!??...if they are not gonna try and win !
82spursdebut
Haha, AVB has come out and said the support let the team down because fans were anxious. Well, guess what, if you continue imposing and playing a drab like that you'll be booed even before kick off. Too early to turn yourself against the stands though, innit?
Moscovite
Come on guys, we said give AVB and the new squad until Xmas. I really thought we'd be where Man U are in the PL to be honest (LOL am I really saying that!).
So, while the master and his apprentices are still experimenting, still tinkering, still getting used to what is the most bizarre league in the World, bloody 'ell, gawd bless me guvnor, and ain't it a strange old game, we are picking up 3 points here 3 points there and are in top 4.
I just cant wait till we are plying well...as long as we keep winning these "must win" games. LOL.
jacobslad
That is now 3 wins, 9 points from 1-0 wins from Soldado penalties, 2 at home v Swansea and Hull, and 1 away at Palace. It appears that AVB is living proof of the old adage that "if you can't be good, be lucky" and he certainly is that. The only problem is that although the 9 points are welcome, they only serve to mask problems in our set up, our tactics, and perhaps our team selection and our abiity to change things during games, the lack of plans B & C. Those that seem to think that away teams only shut up shop when they play Spurs, are wrong, if you are a truly good side operating properly, you overcome the problem, manufacture chances, score goals, and win home games. We have had an extremely friendly start to the season where apart from Arsenal and Chelsea where we gained 1 point from 6, we have for the rest of the fixtures not played any of our rivals for a top 4, 5 finish, and we have had to rely on 9 points out of our 19 gained from Soldado penalties. What will happen when we get the other side of the green and the refs stop giving them (we went all season last year without one), we will have to be satisfied with 0-0 draws, what an exciting prospect.
Frank
Ash maybe clueless is unfair, but going forward there is a concern. Had Hull scored at any point in the game, there was no way we were scoring twice on today's performance. Same with some previous matches. As long as we continue bagging clean sheets against the lesser sides, we'll keep sneaking the point's, but it's a risky strategy. It just take's one defensive lapse in concentration from a set piece and we leave ourselves with a mountain to climb.
Guyver
Is he really that thick and doesn't understand why the atmosphere was so negative? So instead of raising his team's level of football and motivation he decides to turn himself against fans instead? What a toolbox. There is always one outcome in these battles.
Moscovite
Agree, wouldn't want to watch that again, but then again nor would I want to watch about half the games from each and every season in which we were duff too. Even many of the games that Bale got a winner for us were games in which we were carp until he bailed us out. Some on here have short memories, it was no different watching Parker, Livermore and Hudd struggle. I do have a lot more confidence in our defence nowadays though, when Harry was at the helm it used to make me nervous if we scored early then sat back and tried to defend it, you need a strong base to build from. I know the drearies are crying like we lost and are in 17th, but we didn't and we aren't, dry off those tears and lose the noose. COYS
sukhothai
Quote of the year "although 9 points are welcome (from 3 games) they only serve to mask problems.."
jacobslad
On a more positive note, 6 clean sheets in 9 premiership games is impressive, which include five "1-0" wins. Paying homage to George Grahams Arsenal?
Guyver
How often between now and next week's game do you think you will check the Premier League table?
darkenvai
For me we really need either Holtby or Eriksen to up their game in the No 10 role. When Eriksen made his debut against Norwich he was awesome which was our best performance as a team by far. Would still like to see Holtby being played a bit deeper where he can see more in front of him and dictate play.
spurfect one
Oh dear Avb'........why say anything !?......should have said, if anything, "we can do better".
82spursdebut
Lol Jacobslad
gatch75
But we haven`t got 9 points from 3 games,the jokes on you for not knowing that.
We sing what we want
Big c ..keep up with the ruminations of Frank...you are probably the same person anyway.
jacobslad
AVB, shame on you for criticising the fans..... i think our fans are on a par to any in this league, and the atmosphere is always good at the lane.... it was quiet near the end cos of what had happened to andros townsend and no one knew how bad it might be...... so AVB time to apologise before the fans turn on you...... back to football, we don,t need two holding midfielders when we play the likes of Hull. play two up front against the so called "weaker" teams, and press higher up and stop passing the ball sideways and back so much when we have two fast wingers on.... sheesh!!!!!
micky58
jacobslad feel a little silly do ya ?
We sing what we want
A manager should never publicly critise the fans even if you feel your right. That said this is a non story, another win, another 3 points.
MrSpurs
We sing what we want..did I say something to you...what was that then?
jacobslad
Hmmm, seems to me some of our players are not quite the level we hoped they'd be...they may deliver but will that be in time to deliver top4 this season?....we have no plan B...a striker like llorente up top today and Hull would be sunk sitting so deep....wingers and AM's who can score and hold the ball are a must....soldado, lennon, townsend and eriksen/Holtby as a quartet are not going to hold the ball or score enough...yes holtby didn't have his best game today but eriksen showed when he came on why he started on the bench...that position is so important you can't just be bumped off the ball that easily...beef him up!
shedboy2
jacobslad You tried to ridicule Frank,but egg on your face sweetheart.
We sing what we want
Maybe we are going to get ALL our penalties from last season come to us this season as well as this season's penalties. So keep it coming.
chrishove123
AVB must be seriously deluded if he doesn't realize why there is anxiety in the crowd, and a lack of tumultuous support from the crowd. His team is playing the most boring thrill less football in living memory, struggling to beat even the dross in the league even at home, relying significantly for points on penalties by Soldado (9 in the 19 gained). The thing he should remember is that the manager that criticizes the home supporters, and loses their respect, and support, is on a slippery slope that only leads to one conclusion, P45 time. Older, and significantly better managers and coaches than him, (no I'm not highlighting Redknapp) have discovered that to their cost.
Frank
AVB -- Spot on. Our fans at the Lane have been awful all last season, and now this. If the comments on here are indicative of those at the Lane, then AVB has a right to address this.

Micky58 -- "i think our fans are on a par to any in this league, and the atmosphere is always good at the lane ..." -- That USED to be the case. Sadly, not any more.
SpursEagle
does anyone think we reached average today? now everyone start to think why? we can rescue this.
tophobunty1
Another win, another 1-0, another pen by Soldado and 4th on the table. Not bad for a team which changes its XI from match to match, but I miss our fluidity from Redknapp days. Don't get me wrong: I do not miss Harry Redknapp, but the speed Spurs were used to show 2 seasons ago could help current Spurs incarnation unlock these tight defences some clubs dislplay at the Lane. It is cool to have lots of possession, however me must be faster to kill opposition. COYS !!
AlexSpur
Can someone post a link of AVBs interview?
jacobslad
topho..we reached 4th...Manu are about average.
jacobslad
Here it is jacobslad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24696091
Guyver
If AVB has mentioned the crowd, even if it can be construed as negative, it is the beginning of the end for him.
tophobunty1
AVB will lose some friends if he is not careful.
Spurs fans pay money to watch their team play,but the team is not playing so where is the value for money?
AVB has no loyalty to Spurs so phuck him,only when successful can his arrogance be merited.
We sing what we want
Alex Spur, I agree, but the big diff, Bale, Modric and an on form Ade. The performances will come far more important to be gathering the points. Our squad and AVBs rotation will come into its own around the Xmas period
gatch75
Everygame is different......take each game as the come.......HULL Wednesday ..lol
82spursdebut
Cape Town Spurs I am one of those who don't care how we win as long as we win. but don't you fu***ng well dare to put me in with those who have claimed you have no right to be a Spurs supporter or you may as well support man u. If a person supports my club they are a fellow supporter. It is when those "supporters" STOP supporting the club and do nothing but whine and whinge on about how bad we are and how they don't like the style of play or the manager is clueless, when we are three, YES THREE POINTS OFF THE TOP and ahead of both manchester clubs. That is what gets my goat, when so called supporters do nothing but slag the team and or manager off. We are doing very well considering all things ie injuries and no pre season training for the squad as a whole. THIS is OUR pre season training and it has to be done on the pitch as well as on the training ground. We DO NOT lack ambition or drive, if that were the case then Andros wouldn't have wanted to come back on so badly, would he, and we wouldn't be fielding strong teams for all competitions we's be fielding our reserve team like our last manager did. Now THAT showed a lack of ambition and drive. Or would you rather have him back to restore our way of losing in the last minute or so of injury time????? What we lack is a team that has clicked, but click it will, and when it does look out. It is NEXT season that we will fly as THIS season is all about finding the balance and the right teams to play at the right times.
chrishove123
jacobslad....did man u play in our game today? my question was about our game today....us and hull...answer?
tophobunty1
chrishove, calm down, most of what you post shows very little understanding of football, but i understand the emotion you feel in this post, it shows your passion in what you believe.
tophobunty1
Being in the crowd today was a weird one. It was really quiet and I can understand some of AVB's comments but he is not sending out a team that gets people jumping up and down. We need to find a way to play at home. I do not like the holding midfield player in home games and we can not play 4-4-2 as Defoe and Soldado will not work up top together. I can see Soldado and a fit hungry Ade playing together but not sure that will ever happen. I would like to see Holtby play as a centre midfield player at home and either Lamela or Eriksen as the advanced midfield player.
nothappyharry
AVB has given the most disgraceful press conference in Spurs history.

Blaming the fans for playing poorly & even saying that "Spurs were the away team" Oh dear AVB,you cock.
We sing what we want
This sint just blind faith but i Agree with AVB regarding the crowd, weve all been there on games we assume will be routs and home field advantage is more a hindrance. Its a chicken and egg situation, crowd needs to lift the team and vice versa. In the big games the crowd is immense, Utd last year was something special.
gatch75
topho..go back to school and when you write make it clear to what you are referring.
"does anyone think we reached average today?" I said we reached 4th..problem trollie?
jacobslad
gatch75, problem is: I think Spurs have more talent all over the pitch today than they had with Harry, but they are not delivering what so much talent is expected to do. AVB has an issue (or some issues) and he has to address it urgently.
AlexSpur
seems to me we can only begin to look good playing against a team near or above us who will come out and play, that means we can look good against 6 teams at the moment.
tophobunty1
chrishove123 Your posts are like AVB`s tactics,BORING.
We sing what we want
jacobslad, what is a trollie, now be careful i am a spurs fan of 40 years plus, VERY well known ....ney VERY well known in the community
tophobunty1
Agree Frank... it is not the supporters job to lift the players... shouldn't obscene money be motivation enough... but the players job to PERFORM. Shame on you AVB you schmuck.
Cape Town Spurs
Perhaps they should revise the way that the winner of a football match is determined, and ditch this simplistic idea that you should have to actually score goals to win. Perhaps they should break the game down into 10 x 9 minute rounds and award points for ball possession, and passes made irrespective of the direction of travel, there could be points for artistic impression as well. We could then win games on points, rather than have all the hassle of trying to score goals. We would probably win the league.
Frank
SpursEagle Bang on mate, it is the AWAY support that is good not the HOME "support". Almost every home game we get out sung out shouted and out cheered and chanted by the opposition. If Fergie can have a go at the atmosphere in OT because their home supporters are (rap then so can AVB and he is RIGHT to do so. The supporters can be the twelfth man and if anyone says any different they have never played at ANY level or are as thick as pig$hit. Even the players aknowledge and admit that the supporters can give them a huge lift when they get behind the team, so maybe it is time for those of you who come on here and moan but also brag about going to the game to start to SUPPORT the team AT the games and shut up with your moaning. Just a thought. I wish I could get to every game we play but I can't get to ANY due to finances. I supported the team when we went down, I was at almost every home game that season and the support the team got was amazing, none of this childish booing or whining, we SUPPORTED them through the bad hard times and that is what supporters do. We are not going through any really bad hard times right now but the level of support is really poor from a lot of people.
chrishove123
I don't think we'll just magically 'click' imo our attacking quartet are not strong enough...we need some power in a couple of those positions and it would be nice if we actually used the width from time to time...there are issues that need sorting...much better we do it from winning positions than being forced to do it from losing...
shedboy2
ps AVB looks nervous everytime he walks out, why should the fans therefore not feel anxious when the team appears to be really struggling against lower teams at home?
tophobunty1
I rest my case
We sing what we want
Chrishove - you are begining to sound desperate
Love totty
I thought AVB 's comments today were familiar, at some point, he's going to have to accept responsibility and make change!

Away from home, we've been more solid, statistically and as a team, That is a fact. At the moment at home, we've just not been good enough. I think we need to get our fans behind us when we play at home. We need to get the emotions right. I know, and you can feel, that Stamford Bridge has become anxious about Chelsea playing at home but we need their full support behind us. That's the only way you can build the atmosphere to take us through this period.
Guyver
We sing what we want and you are acting like an idiot. Not saying you ARE one, but you certainly give that impression.
chrishove123
WSWWW I rest MINE.
chrishove123
LT No I'm not, it is just people like YOU who are sounding the desperate ones slagging off a team just 3 points off the lead.
chrishove123
May i suggest if i have worked my arse off all week performing my job. if i then decide to take myself and son to watch the football, after over a £100 outlay, b/%dy right i'm going to expect to see a performance. Don't expect it every week, it doesn't work like that. But, after many who would have played out this scenario thus far this season. damn right that their going to start feeling disgruntled..human nature.
Cider spurs
Well said AVB, very similar to the "fans" on here. Very negative. In fairness, he may want to revisit his English and talk of tension rather than negativity.
jacobslad
Genuine question to Frank, Topho, we sing and the usual bunch. Would you rather we lost today to prove your point. Because reading here thats exactly how it looks.
gatch75
we bought the wrong forward
tophobunty1
topho.."Very well known in the community"...You got one of them ASBOs then?. ;-)
Cider spurs
chrishove123 You can`t get to every game because of finances >

That`s exactly the point.It can cost up to £150 to watch Spurs play,now who the phuck is going to spend £150 to watch that in todays climate? unless you have money to throw away.
£150 is 25% of my weeks wages,i would have been pi$$ed if i spent 25% of my weeks wages to watch that $hit.

But it`s ok for a manager on £3 million a year & players on up to £100 grand a week ?

If you`re going to play poor football then charge championship prices.Spurs have been ripping their fans off for years.£60+ for a replica kit?
Exploitation so yes fans have a right to have a pop.
We sing what we want
You really are something, Chrishove. Last season you constantly asserted that it would be next season AVB methods would bear fruit. Now its another year you say. Do you not realise what bollox you are talking?
Love totty
You really are something, Chrishove. Last season you constantly asserted that it would be next season AVB methods would bear fruit. Now its another year you say. Do you not realise what bollox you are talking?
Love totty
I really can't understand those people who come on here and moan cz they expect us to play and look like Brazil in the 70s. Wise up, this is the Prem in 2013/14 and the game has changed drastically. Teams don't let you play like that any more. They park the bus they fall at the slightest touch, it is less physical and a lot faster and more technical.
chrishove123
gatch NO, AVB is proving our points
tophobunty1
someone has to sort out the trolls on this site. I'm off to another site, see you when we beat Everton.
jacobslad
Whether AVB is right or wrong he should never had made his thoughts public, it just makes a rod for your own back. All he needs is a convincing display at home and the fans will be more optimistic.
spurfect one
gatch75 Thge fact is an article was written not long ago about how boring Spurs are.Read the 40 first posts & you`ll see the optimsm.

BUT NO,same boring Spurs which is becoming a trend.The posts are getting predictable because Spurs are becoming predictable.

How many thought,today is the day we rid ourselves of that boring tag & bring the passion to WHL ?

But NO,lucky penalty again.

It`s not the crowd,it`s AVB that has turned it to......

WHITE HART PAIN.
We sing what we want
Love totty Last season I said he would bear fruit and he IS bearing fruit, only YOU and your ilk are far too blinkered by your blatant dislike of AVB to even admit this. Next season we are going to be even better, but YOU will still be carrying on like a two year old that's spilt her milk when we win the CL because we should have won it by more goals or we didn't do the quadruple instead of merely the double or triple. People like YOU are never satisfied. I'm out of her because you are stinkiong up the place. No wonder most of the people who were on here a couple of years back have gone. It's your sort who ruin good forums like this used to be.
chrishove123
So would you rather we loose so AVB gets his P45? My guess is most def yes.
gatch75
chrishove123 Can you get it on your head nobody dislikes AVB.
But his downfall is all his own doing.The man is on £3million a year,he`s not anybodies mate & he`s not loyal to us.
We sing what we want
Just a last word...very clever mind games by AVB..we have big games coming up....we are 4th...he holds the high ground..what are the fans (we) going to do...they'll rally to the cause..well done AVB another very clever move.
jacobslad
gatch75 It`s lose.

i`m a massive fan of AVB,well was until today.
In what direction are we going with AVB ? I thought it was up up up.
I just don`t see where we are going with him.He said himself he`s not going to be at Spurs for long so surely it`s now or never.
Or do we have to wait another season? I want AVB to live in Spurs legend,but we are the worst footballing side in the top 8 IMO.
Top managers would have a field day with this squad,there`s no logic to AVB`s formula & i`m starting to wonder if Chelsea fans were right about him.

Chelsea fans ended up hating him,are we going down the same path?
We sing what we want
jacobslad He was not being clever,he was sounding desperate.AVB is no good at propaganda,he looks lost & it looks to me like he never knows when to stick or twist.
We sing what we want
Chrishove - its because we love Spurs and its tradition that it hurts so much to see the investment wasted. Your idea of support is just to wish upon a star. Open your eyes to the evidence unfolding. Going backwards despite the investment. We won't be fourth for long and it gives me no pleasure to say that at all. And bonehead it is not the players I criticise just the coach.
love totty
I don't blame the coach.....It's the b/%dy bus parked on the pitch.
Cider spurs
Too look at it another way, our pre season was planned around our best player who leaves. We have one month to strengthen the squad and theres an unprecedented influx of players. The blueprint in that time would be to solidify, make yourself hard to beat while u find your best team and style, and to still be in the hunt come November. CHECK. Is it perfect, hell no, should we have sold Caulker and replaced him with Vlad, not in my opinion. Would I like to see AVB get the best out of Ade,? or a more physical No 9. Of course. iMO our lack of entertaining performances is a minor issue in the bigger picture this year. AVB playing Townsend while keeping our record signing on the bench shows hes he got bottle and is single minded. The clean sheets speak for themselves. The squad rotation is excellent and will truly show the benefit over Xmas and next Spring. The performances will hopefully come but the points come first.
gatch75
Andre Villas Boas (please credit him with using his proper name you lazy ****s) has, if reports are true, to have ****ed up by turning on the fans, and more so than his experiences at The West London Arrivistes. There he chose to take on the players, and that was an argument that he might possibly win, give or take matters. By suggesting supporters, and Tottenham supporters at that, were not wholly 100% behind the team, despite the fact that the football he produces is duller than Allardyce's Bolton on a poor day, is the road to ruin. He must, by now, realise he is in charge on the club with the best fans in the country. And by that I mean proper fans who have been put through the ringer by all and sundry since the halcyon Sir Bill days. Someone will have to take him to one side and advise him that he is lucky to be in charge, and if he does that again, he should do the decent thing, and fall on his very expensive sword. We are NOT pragmatists, and want Tottenham Hotspur to play the Tottenham Hotspur way. I
5thcolumnist
Having watched the 95 mins of the game... what maters is points on the table,,we have 19 now,, playing the way of continental teams.. We would have less points by playing the "Harry way".. yes it was exciting..NOW A reality check.. Bale is not here any more, we had average quality players...and before AVB a manager who was ridiculed by many on here for lack of tactical ideas, and who never won a league title, just one FA Cup...SO posters on here would be happy to continue our lack of wining any trophies in 5 years, and nothing in 7 years before that??. We are in a rebuilding scenario, and still in top 4 .. so the club needs supporters behind the manager and players, not biting them on the arse...
Block D Spurs
Suprised by AVB's interview. Is he trying to deflect the players performance and bring the heat upon himself? Anyway, not enough credit given to Hull, they were industrious and had a decent game plan. < br > Sandro had a shocker (so what), and provided them with countless opportunities. Defensively though we are quite a tough nut to crack. Another clean sheet with our new Romanian CB and again Dawson tries to give Hudd a chance to get his haircut. < br > Lennon looks lost on the left, RW he is far more effective, but for the sake of the team, that now belongs to Andros. Siggy / Chadli might be better options on the left side moving forward. Soldado needs to continue to work hard and really stretch the defence a little more and finally that no.10 spot is still a work in progress. Would like to see Lamela be given a run there in some games. < br > A little harsh on some of our players, but sitting above the Manchesters after 9 games and so much more potential and improvement in play, I'm thrilled with the points and see far more positives than negatives.
thenuge
I give up on this < br > *********!
thenuge
Was at the match and yes Avb was right the fans showed anxiety but what did he expect, all I could here around me was this will be another west ham, first half hull were more dangerous, sandro got booked and then his whole game went flat, taking him was right but second half didn't happen, Lennon didn't make much of a difference to siggy, yes am happy about the 3 points but this is not a one off and after taking me 2 hours to get home and hear Avb's interview is not nice, happy to be 4th, have a tougher group of games coming up now so we will see if it is luck
Kong
Those that were at the game today and previous homies, will know that the negativity/anxiousness is more about the overall pattern/trend of play. The lack of drive and creativity is astonishing at the moment and we will come a cropper soon. Loved 3 points , love Spurs but play like this for rest of the season and can forget top 4. AVB is wrong to criticise us and for me he should smack the likes of Hull at WHL with 442 formation and include players like Lamela & Ade to achieve more expansive play... Onwards and upwards (I say in hope rather than current confidence)
SpurON
i thought Hull played out of their skins, and had taken lessons from West Ham game.. first 30 mins were a fast tempo.. Anyway we won, had a clean sheet.. and on the wednesday night..Hull again..
Block D Spurs
Got to admit, it is pretty much the same as most games this season. We had plenty of the ball, lacked that bit of creativity in final 3rd. Most of our attacks came down the Right, most of theirs came down the Left. They defended well, we attacked poorly. One vs five, not going to happen. Iniesta would struggle to find Bob in that scenario. Lucky penalty, no discussions about luck and making it this week please. Lucky is what it was, end of. Bob took it well, 3 points. Great result, disappointing performance. Ade and Soldado with crosses whipped in for me today. Soldado feeding of the scraps. Corners rubbish, Chiriches needs to head the ball at times before it bounces. Lots of learning still to be done. WE ARE TOP 4, WE ARE TOP 4.
Cider spurs
Wow, go away for a while and kiddos start to lose control over their bodily functions.
Moscovite


Cider spurs
OX...Someone's nicked my words !!.
Cider spurs
Hull got what they deserved. They showed the right attitude in taking advantage of Spurs players' newness and also much of the squad's recent round trip to FC Sheriff, putting the home side under pressure. Hull then ruined it though with negative, cynical tactics, so it was good that Spurs won the penalty whereby once again Soldado's goal decided a match. What a cool customer he is.
Airwave
I don't know what to say. Very sad to read people attacking fellow Spurs fans on this site. We all have our own opinions and not all are agreeable but we all have one thing in common. Our love for Spurs. So why all the hate? Anyway I'm pleased we got the 3 points but not seen the game. Judging by the reaction Spurs are still playing the same football. I'm happy we've won and I don't care how we win as long as we continue to win games. If this what it takes to get in CL I'm all for it (begrudgingly). COYS!
James1
Airwave...Took advantage of Spurs players' newness and round trip to sheriff?..For real?...They had half their b/%dy team missing !!.
Cider spurs
James1...You finished the painting?.
Cider spurs
James1-YOU ARE NOT A SPURS FAN IF YOU STATE WE WIN BUT YOU DO NOT CARE HOW WE WIN. SHAME ON YOU. DO YOU NOT KNOW OUR HISTORY?
5thcolumnist
James, no, it won't take us anywhere all the more so into CL.
Moscovite
Remember guys we may not be enjoying Avb's style currently BUT this is our best ever start to a prem season. We need to give the guys lots of time to gel. If we carry on getting the total of points that we are up to Christmas ( 2 points+ per game) then we can really kick on from there should get 75+ points that will be good enough for top 4. That's what it's all about this year. From there we'll become a serious force coys
gibbothfc
The irony of the interview was he said "they (fans) know they (fans) can do better" but I say "they (fans) know they (players) can do better (if managed differently or by a better manager)". So there you have it, Andre.
Moscovite
topho.....skybet..to lose job...mourhino 50/1, moyes 50/1, wenger 66/1, avb 66/1. That's good odds for a poor man like you if that's what you believe.
jacobslad
Gibbothfc, not gonna happen, mate, sorry.
Moscovite
This debate is going to be a weekly occourunce until one of two things happen. We thrash someone, or we lose. As the weeks roll on, we seem to be debating the same issues, whilst still securing the points. The debate cannot cease whilst this scenario continues.
Cider spurs
Cider, considering our 4 next fixtures guess what it's gonna be?
Moscovite
Jacob, I have just put a tenner on that. Hopefully it will be enough to get on a discounted holiday in Egypt right after Xmas.
Moscovite
Good for you mosco.....and on whom did you bet?
jacobslad
Feck that, I have just put another fiver and am now going to Tenerife.
Moscovite
Well, AVB has an unbelievable opportunity to put everything right, i.e., the 2nd serving of this fixture on Wednesday! Same oppo, same venue....and let's hope it is not the same display!....gulp!
Critical_Spur
Here's looking forward to another Cooldado pen on Weds. Luvverly Jubberly. Mind you he will probably be rested. Lets hope Egobayor isn't in charge of the pen.
jacobslad
I didn't even count that as a fixture to be honest. It has a pedigree of another group match in EL. Like many said before: 3 matches against Everton, $hity and Manure will reveal the real state of affairs in our forlorn kingdom.
Moscovite
Topho from the end of last season until 3-4 weeks before the season kicked off it was very much aimed around him and turning to more of a 4-3-3. Soldado up top and a David Villa/Willian type coming in off the left. Lamella was no way on the agenda until Bale was offski. Get our striker to get the ball sticking and that solves half our issues. I certainly dont see a team with huge issues that cant be solved.
gatch75
Yeah Cider lol. I don't want to see any paint brush again. Topho don't take it literally. I meant it as negativity rather than people hating each other. I'm not happy with the way we are playing and I wish we played the brand of football I grew up with but I will back the team regardless how we play. If we win I'm happy and if we lose I have hump for a day or two but get on with it. Some people just need to lighten up. I think I need a brew. COYS!
James1
21.30..the wardens have locked up the inmates.
jacobslad
Another frustrating day at the Lane, although I must say that even though we are clearly not firing on all cilinders I didn't think it was quite as bad as people make out here, frustrating yes, boring it was not. Hull read the script, rehearsed and applied themselves to the full, nine, ten men behind the ball, time wasting, players collapsing every five minutes and then making miraculous recoveries, keeper meticulously adjusting the ball for every kick. I haven't seen the replay for the penalty but they got what they deserved.

It is a measure of success that 95% of teams that come to the Lane bring the bus on the pitch, AVB and the coaching staff need to find a way round it, that's what they get paid big bucks for. And lets practice set pieces, we are crap.
ItalianYiddo
Sitting 4th, only conceded in 3 EPL games. Grinding out results even when we are playing below par. I remember the days when we lost to teams at the bottom of the league at home (WHU - i know) and fans were screaming for HR's head. Now all of a sudden when teams park the bus we loved the style that HR played? Fluid football that was on the counter attack. Wake up people, its a new era and we have a team that is new and building... I know our history, have been a season ticket holder for 15 years and have to agree with AVB today. His comments were spot on.
woodyn17
Although it wasn't very smart of AVB to criticise the crowd he has a point. Those of us that have experienced watching Spurs away will know what he's on about, that's what you call support!
ItalianYiddo
Alas Ox was spot on; a boring boring and underwhelming 1-0 penalty win. SOMETHING IS SYSTEMATICALLY WRONG WITH YOUR TEAM, AVB's team, though calling for his sack, at halftime with scores 0-0 was the height of fickleness I've ever seen displayed by a set of football fans. Hopeless! Lol
HGH Magic
Bruce, among other managers in PL, is getting paid a fortune to try to get as many points in the league. We cannot expect to outclass teams all the time, knowing the fact. Win is the goal of each game, and if anyone of the two today, we deserved it. I am not backing AVB cluelessly, but i think we have a much better chance winning the way we are playing. The league is getting more and more competitive. The last thing i want to see is changing the manager and destroy our stability. Pls all just get behind the team and i am sure once all our new players gain the confidence needed, we will get all we want.
special too
I think Kong has hit the right tone with his comment. Also, yes, its true we should beat the likes of Hull at home but these teams are not in the PL just to make up the numbers; they need to accumulate points as well. There's no shame if we don't roll them over 15 minutes into the game. We are too price tag focused when deciding how our players should be performing against teams from clubs built on more modest means. I agree with the basic point that the teams that AVB has been putting out this season are not pretty to watch and could be playing better but I miss the days when just winning a game, against anyone was something to cherish. Now, its gotta be by a 3 goal margin with goal of the month contenders every week or some people just aren't happy. We won and are one of the best teams in the country but some but with all this doom and gloom its hard to enjoy it. Where were we 7 years ago?
Alistair Lee
3 points. Job done. Of course I would like to see us play fast, flowing, exciting football, but unlike many here I am prepared to wait for it.
LongTimeSpursFan64
wswww that bad huh? COYS!
James1
Coming back from the game I was listening to the Mirror's John Cross on Talksport, commending on AVB's outburst, he was saying that he finds it amusing that he can hear from the press box Spurs fans moaning regardless of the performance. Come on John, Spurs fans moaning? Must have got that one wrong.......
ItalianYiddo
AVB was being honest, he spoke the truth. Hurts many of you, doesn't it? Sack him! Yeah, that's the bloody answer alright.

A lot of you are, right now, proving the point he is trying to make. Take a look at match day comments and tell me what kind of "support" that is? Many of us have noticed the bad atmosphere at home games, other supporters have noticed it. Pundits and commentators have noted it. It's a problem, and AVB has shown the balls to confront it. Fair play.
SpursEagle
Woodyn, your right, we cant get back to Harrys gung ho direct counter attacking style because to play counter teams need to attack first. The bus is very much being parked even by the top teams these days. Utd last year was the first time in nearly 20 years I didnt see them having a right go at us and our perceived soft underbelly. What cant be denied is that our tempo of keeping the ball doesnt match the goons but not many do. Its almost like watching a Lennox Lewis fight, with him using his jab to break down an opponent and you just want to see him unload. 6 or 7 years ago 442 was the norm which meant lots of space, these days its a 5 man MF every week and at times your even playing 6 in MF with a false No 9. You can script the opposition team talk, "dont concede early, keep it tight, frustrate the crowd and set pieces" etc. AVB will be saying keep prodding, theres 94 mins in a game, keep your shape, dont concede etc and the goal will come. More chess than what weve been used to but that comes with respect.
gatch75
To everyone that expected a 5-0 win today, can I just point out that had Hull won today they would be on level points with that other average side, Manchester United.
ItalianYiddo
We WON.... Again. Soldado scores from the penalty spot to win us a game... Again. I've always said I'd tale 1-0 wins. Not pretty but still 3 points.
Madaboutspurs
Fans have every right to express their opinions, as they stump up every time, in increasingly ridiculous amounts. All the rest are incidentals, and can feck off if they don't like criticism.
5thcolumnist
AVB did try to be as tactful as possible in criticizing the fans. He is telling us the players feels the negative energy in our stadium and we should take heed. I for one am quite pleased with AVB. We are winning games and he tells it as it is. No BS.
Madaboutspurs
I am no jimmy_yid and you all know it. I think that many of us are expecting too much from AVB and the players at this stage of the season. You want to see fancy football and you want us to win everything. It is very good to aim for the top but a bit of perspective is appropriate. We are in the mix right at the top of the table. We are doing more than alright. I suppose if one or 2 posters keep telling us that AVB is poo, perhaps some of you are beginning to believe it.
Madaboutspurs
I was at the match today and other than Holtby and Townsend there was no passion on the pitch, I can forgive tactics, off days but I won't forgive lack of passion. Fans will respond if they think the team is trying, but it was the same against West Ham on that day it was if the team couldn't care if they won or lost, today we only showed any urgency with 15 min to go, that's too late. I have been an AVB fan from the outset, but for him to criticise the fans is totally wrong, I would not accept it from Arry. 4th or 20th it's a very slippery slope to start blaming fans for his non ability to inspire a team.
Chelmspur
all these moaning "fans" complaining about AVB, have we all forgotten the antics of Harry Redknapp" how soon we forget, it may not be pretty, but it's 9 games into the season, new players & international match breaks, lets show this team that as fans of THFC we have some patience and class. COYS
CanUkSpur
People moaning about AVB's honest comment are living in cloud cuckoo land... WHL has lacked passion for a long time, its been embarrassing at times watching my beloved WHL fall silent or being out-sung by the visitors....

No doubt there will be some people who will start bleating on about me not being at WHL so how dare I, well if they do then what a lovely way to deflect from the reality. WHL at times is a very quiet place to play football, people who say the boring football is the reason for the silence are just as baffling as the lack of support. We're 3pts from the top, THREE people, its our BEST start in the EPL. It was always going to be a difficult & transitional period after the Bale circus & the £100M+ makeover from the summer, yet somehow many have failed to understand this.This isn't the time to give into the media's dream of unsettling Spurs yet again & undermining AVB, now is the time to listen to the Manager who has voiced the feeling from the lads, take on board that we as a collective haven't showed the normally very high level of support. WHL & Spurs are known for our strong, intimidating & passionate support, it gives the players that extra lift & added self belief. Now we have SO many new faces in our Squad I wonder what they're take on our great Club is?

Its time to find our belief & voices again, back AVB, the lads & our Team as a whole. Take that extra deep breath & roar from the bottom of your gut " COOOOOOOME OOOOOOOOOON YOOOOOOUUUUUUUU SPUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURS!
True Spurs Supporter
Funny how we see different things, you may want to criticise the players for not being inventive, not providing that bit of magic maybe, but effort? Fans seem to love players that run around a lot.
ItalianYiddo
Chelmspur -- No passion in the stands, either mate.

Home support has is a joke right now, to say any less is just burying your head in the stand. To say that fans have the right to voice their opinion is the most self-righteous BS ever. We are fourth, 3 points off the top with an almost completely different team to the one that finished last season. So what is the problem? Sack the manager? The truth is the deluded sense of entitlement that pervades many Spurs fans. Sorry, this is not Sports Entertainment ... see WWE for that lads ... it's a sporting contest. There is no right to win, especially for a club that has won only 2 trophies in what will be 23 years by the time the next final rolls around.

So, here's my thinking. We can all jump on board this odyssey. Back it 100% and see where it takes us. Then we can judge whether it was successful or not. Or, we can embrace this negative, critical, poisonous path that is increasingly, and distressingly becoming the norm.

I love this club and have no regret in saying f** anyone who chooses the latter!! COYS
SpursEagle
Must admit, I'm not understanding the negativity from Spurs fans. I think after decades of misery, perhaps we've just been conditioned that way even though we've had a great start to the season.

For the last few seasons we've craved clean sheets. Now we have them we're not celebrating them. Same with our new striker. 6 goals this season for Spurs and we're still looking for problems that aren't there. We've unearthed Spurs and England's new hero in Townsend yet there's barely an ounce of excitement. We just want to talk about our £30m sub.

The brand of football isn't great at the moment but for me it's just part of the process. For those of us who observed winning managers like Fergie, Graham, Wenger, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Mancini etc in the Prem era the one constant was the goals conceded column. Most played a very negative brand of football and even Fergie spent the first few seasons sitting back and playing counter attacking football.

Can we just be happy about Spurs for once in our lives and show some optimism? Today wasn't great but we won and that puts us one week closer to having a fully fit squad. That's one week more for the new players to continue settling in and one week more to the Jan transfer window when we can hopefully improve the squad again. Whether AVB articulated it well, he is simply asking the fans to help with the process of us becoming a great side instead of projecting our future based on our past failings. Is that so hard?
muttley
Good posts TSS, Italianyiddo, SpursEagle.
Madaboutspurs
well said shed boy and true spurs supporter
ledders77
Just watched MOTD2.....didn't notice anyone hammering Spurs. Can't be arsed with the $hit from the usual suspects on here anymore, moan moan moan, aggressively rubbish other posters opinions, insult fellow supporters and their families, rubbish our own players. Not my idea of a supporter and I've been supporting our great club for over 50 years.
TQ2Spurs
and italian. give it time boys. work with AVB, he's a clever guy. we all know we need to sort a few things, but we're working on it, and can build on what we've already got - a good base. Other top teams have the luxury of an aguero or a rooney to break down defensive set-ups, unfortunately we're missing that.
ledders77
and us fans should always do our bit too. if they're playing badly give them a helping hand.
ledders77
TQ2Spurs spot on. Unfortunately times have changed. Some show a lack of respect to other people. I'm all for passion and wanting what's best for this great club of ours, but why can't we all just be civil about it all? COYS!
James1
I dont think AVB should have said what he did but he was dead right. I am afraid there are a lot of morons at the Lane who to me would probably like Crouch back , thats their level. Actually Bruce had Hull well drilled, also reminded me of Stoke last season, excellent defensively, wasting time and feigning injuries whenever Spurs up the tempo. And to those who want AVB out, and more open football, then that clown Holloway is available
matt hoten
Here's my 2 pence worth. It wasn't a great game to watch, but the result is all that matters. The teams that'll be fighting relegation at the end of the season will probably all park the bus when we play them, as a draw would be a good result for them. Just think last season we didn't get any penalty's, this season our fortunes have changed. Also if you looked at a lot of the games utd played when they won the league over the years, they weren't free flowing football and they had to grind games out. So for us to be playing not so great and getting results ain't so bad. COYS
JSYSpurs
Great post muttley
SpursEagle
Do you guys honestly believe that teams only "park the bus" as you choose to call it, against Spurs, don't Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man City have to contend with the same thing, haven't Chelsea, and man City got a new manager and new players bedding in, but look at their goal differences, their goals scored. The truth is we have got a bloke who believes if you keep the ball at all costs you will prevail, but it hasn't worked in the games v the bigees as the Arsenal and Chelsea results have shown (1 point from 6), and it won't work in the Nov fixtures v Everton, City, or Utd either. We've played bugger all yet, that's why we are where we are, let's see at Xmas.
Frank
Just seen the comment, Cape town go suck on pienaars rod you undercover gunners fan.
SpursSnM
Good 3 points - keeps us in the game with other rivals.

Some are acting like clowns here regarding AVB's comment.

Firstly, what AVB said was factually wrong ? NO

Has this atmosphere problem started after AVB started playing his boring football ? NO

Should the fan support at stadium be conditional ? NO

Before HT, there were lot of groans & moans inside the stadium, especially when Sandro was having a mare of a game. AVB clearly said he & players talked about atmosphere at half time and he seemed to have said they are on their own.

Point to talk away is this - Yes, ST holders pay a ransom to watch the team - but then should the support be a conditional one - ie, to say -'we will start singing & supporting, once we hit the first goal or first real chance of the game'. It is wrong. Football is so much different to std business entity-consumer relationship. Here consumer wants the business entity to do well and are ready to support, when even they know they are loosing their money.

So, the basic premise of AVB is playing boring football, so we don't shout or support is so wrong at many levels.

Yesterday Jenas echoed the same thing in Sky studios post game. He said - 'We noticed it (ex/current squad) while there (atmosphere )but you're not sure how to explain it to the boss. Some players can play in conditions like that, some can't. They media say you move for first team football, but it's not always for that'

On this comment, some will start ridiculing Jenas. Before you do that, think about what he says. This atmosphere problem has been a long standing issue.

If we can't give unconditional love & support, why do we moan & groan about lack of loyalty from players ???
sydqcb5
Put Syd, Spurs Eagle, TSS, TQ2, Italian Yiddo , myself and a few others in the stadium and they'll likely kick us out for making too much noise. lol
Madaboutspurs
Mad, If I were in UK permanently, I would do anything to be going to lane for every game. Watching these games at 2 or 3 AM in the morning, I make more noise than what some of fans do at the stadium.

Away support is so much better. Last away game at Villa, our fans out sung Villa throughout.

Yesterday, oddly I could hear Hull fans singing seeing the game on TV- that too the score was 1-0 to Spurs - clearly heard them sing - '1-0 to referee, 1-0 to referee'. When in reality we should have been screaming & supporting the team, as we were winning & were down to 10 men for 6 minutes.
sydqcb5
Silent fist pumps from me as well last night here in Oz. In defence of the crowd, when Andros did a Torii Hunter (for my American friends), you could sense the concern. Half of them had one eye on the commotion and the other on the football.
Anyway, the Spurs juggenaunt continues to roll along. Maybe we can sing some D Fence tunes next time at WHL, with the obligatory big D and white picket fence in the crowd. LOL. COYMFS!!!
thenuge
Hahahahaha I love u AVB! AVB has more passion in his pinky finger than the cunits on here! They Beaty of the trolls popping in cause they felt some truth in his words! Hahahahahahaha!!! I am fortunate enough to have travelled across the globe to see Spurs and one fine afternoon I decided to watch Spurs in the pub close by. To say there was more signing and chanting coming from the pub than the stadium is an understatement. What an embarrassment some " supporters" truly are... They will always be the 12th man element which is the home support and it's about time it's shown. CTSpurs u are an embarrassment by the way...
Mix26
Mix - CTSpurs an "embarrassment", and you are? Fanboi
HGH Magic
Actions on the pitch, provoke actions in the crowd. Lack of passion and style of play at present is the problem, yes Europa, new players contribute to this but look at Holtby and Townsend, Defoe when he plays they play for the shirt, the rest including Dawson look like they are going through the motions with no real desire, I also think the Yido chanting is also causing a problem with some people concerned if they join in these songs arrest could follow. Atmosphere needs improving but it starts on the pitch.
Chelmspur
HGH whilst I dont have to bother replying to a child, I'll point out that your own site administrator had to write an article pointing out the abuse from within your Chaville... I see u are great mates with the trolls who hide behind alias names here. I suspected they actually are Chav fans with no real life other than to spread pathetic nonsense around vs....
Mix26
I'll repeat what I said on the other thread as it is important to define support as some on here have confused views. I've listened to Andre's comments and to a degree accept his point. When players make mistakes it is inevitable that the crowd will ooh and aah; its only natural. But there is no excuse for silence how ever the team is performing. After match criticism is fine - we all get feedback in our jobs - but during a game encouragement is a vital component.
love totty
Topho - well known in the community hahaha what a Kn0b
South L/Derry Spurs
topho what a tool u are! I suggest u take a look at what the job description is dear boy. I'm sure it's not to entertain you or your childish followers but to get the results on the pitch! U dont remember anything relating to performance because u are too busy being a complete imbecile and a negative****! Take a page out of your own book dear boy and find some support for your team ffs and maybe u will feel a little flicker of passion.
Mix26
I wasn't happy with the performance yesterday but still supported the team at the match. Yes there was anxiety which is understandable but we are 4th and 3 points from top, the next run of games will be a good test of where we are.
Kong
You can try Topho but I might then have to join the pack against you :)
Kong
I am on the waiting list so you are free from my insults for now. I prefer to talk about Tottenham then insulting people. Everyone has an opinion and should be respected as long it doesn't get personal and over the line.
Kong
I can't remember a positive comment from you Topho, what exactly do you want? If it's a sad hollow life where your only feeling macho behind a computer, then you're there. Well done, you did it...yippee!!
yiddyboy
Im well known in the community......lol dumbass (like anyone on here really gives a $hit).......u should write wateva you wana post on a paper and read it back to yourself, and if it sounds like a dumbass comment, dash it away!!!!!

As for the match, I didnt see the game only yhr highlights, as I'm one of those who dont get entertained at the Lane of late, but yesterday's game didnt seem as bad as what people are making out, I think the performances will get better in time, but we need to support the players during the game, no matter wat, and save the moaning for after the game.
Ossie
Here is a clue as to why we are currently 4th, although we have only scored 9 goals in 9 games, 3 of them penalties, this season in the PL. We have played so far Crystal Palace currently bottom (won 1-0 penalty), Swansea 9th (won 1-0 penalty), Arsenal 1st (lost 1-0), Norwich 18th (won 2-0), Cardiff 16th (won 1-0), Chelsea 2nd (drew 1-1), West Ham 15th (lost 3-0), Aston Villa 13th (won 2-0), Hull 10th (won 1-0 penalty). This would suggest that it is the quality of the opposition we have played that has contributed to our league position, and that the only two genuine contenders we have played has produced only 1 point from 6 available. During November we are scheduled to play Everton 6th, Newcastle 11th, Man City 7th, and Man Utd 8th, perhaps by the end of that month, we will have a better idea of our true position in the league.
Frank
I have watched yesterday's penalty incident several times looking for a justification for the award, to counter all the press claims, but unfortunately there can be no excuse for this example of totally incompetent refereeing by Mr. Oliver, who unsurprisingly was on Mark Halsey's list of referees who are ill equipped, and not good or competent enough to referee in the PL. I know it is 3 points in the bag and another victory for which we are grateful, but I can only sympathise with Bruce's complaints. I can only imagine the furore that would be unleashed on here, were it to have been given against us.
Frank
agree Kong....yiddyboy didnt think it would be long before you joined in, read my posts, plenty of positive stuff in there, I guess lots of differing opinions to you, just accept it that's the way it is. Why do you say I have a sad hollow life? why the insults? Ossie and why didnt i think you would join in, what do you think I meant by I am well known in the community? what community? this one? a religious one? a locational one? what is your perception of my meaning? why has it struck such a cord with you? can you explain. Usual suspects. You guys really have a pack mentality dont you, why dont we just get on with discussing THFC airing our own views and opinions just like I did on here today and do most days when i come in.....or if you prefer hunt in your insulting pack.
tophobunty1
Frank, good post as ever and real world and not an insult in sight, well done mate.
tophobunty1
I see the gamblers among us are still contributing to the poll on yesterday's result, and have reduced Hull as likely winners from 23% at kick off to 11% now, how sad.
Frank
Topho, the real world is we are 4th in the league. You, along with a few others are actually looking forward to the moment you can throw in your "I told you so" claim. You are the type of fan that AVB is directing his comments at yesterday. Get behind the team, players and support. All you and your clan do is look for a negative or an argument, and that is where the "sad hollow life" comment comes in to play. If you put as much energy in backing the manager, players and team as you do for the negative things you pluck out of the sky we'd be a huge force to reckon with. You're the type of supporter that is the reason we are referred to as "Spuds" by the other fans. Frank stated last season we we end up 11th or 12th once we play the big boys, its like a worn out record.
yiddyboy
Frank - We are getting the penalties we should have got last season. Yesterday was a soft penalty but that is the way it goes, I am sure there will be decisions against us too that will be harsh but at the moment the decisions are going our way. Yes we have one 3 games by 1-0 and penalties but we now have a penalty taker to put them away. Yes £26m for a penalty taker but Soldado is more than that, Benteke would have cost £25m and he can't even take a penalty, yes I know there is more to his game but just looking at penalties.
Kong
I don't actually think yesterday's game was that bad at all, when a team "parks the bus" of course your chances will be limited. I watched Barcalona a couple of weeks ago draw 0-0 against Osasuna and their squad is hardly limited in terms of creative players. The way I see it, the smaller/lesser clubs shut up shop from the off against us as they know if the come out to play they'll get bullied. That is the biggest complement any team can give us, yet some moan. Teams use to do it at Old Trafford and guess what, United found wins in the last minutes and won trophies. Frank is right, come the end of November after playing better teams that will attack us and leave space for us to play in. I fully expect the coming 4 or 5 games to be a much better open game where the like of Topho can moan about something new.
yiddyboy
Tophobunty I don't do insults, preferring to use facts and reliable statistics as a base for discussion, debate, or argument, which I am afraid is impossible with some. Their mentality demands that failure to agree, or differing viewpoints, equals conflict, aggression, and purile insults, sadly something one has to live with in this day and age.
Frank
Listen to the past master of the obscene insult playing the victim. You couldn't make it up!
darkenvai
Yiddyboy...you are poff again..."you are the type of supporter" repeated over and over...tell tell tell. Dark what took you so long to join the pack. I thought you were a partner?
tophobunty1
Topho, as for which community I couldn't care less, it was just a stupid and irrelevant comment to make.....
Ossie
Have you got my IP address yet #Thrush
yiddyboy
Topho - I was busy commenting on another thread. Where did you get the gall to chastise people for insulting you? Pick it up with the number 1 after your name, did you?
darkenvai
Apologies Topho for the insult it was just a knee jerk reaction to you telling everyone your well known in the community :) it was just the outlandish knobishness of it to be honest :) Apologies again COYS GSTQ
South L/Derry Spurs
southL it was a joke about me being well known on this place, this community on this forum, nothing more......look at 3 of the 4 previous posts before yours and that gives you a little idea of how this community hunts in packs, how sad. thank you for sort of apologising even if you did kind of back track it a little....back to posting on the community..............Yiddyboy....look at the history of the great IP address debacle and look back who first introduced it on here...one Ian Bale...i retorted and have been hounded by the pack ever since.....oh how brave the pack are.
tophobunty1
Frank, I hope you had as much sympathy for Bale last season when he was getting tripped in the box and getting rewarded with a booking. Sorry mate, I know it's not the case but you come across as wanting us to not get the three points. I was at the game and Hull didn't deserve anything, time wasting from the off.
ItalianYiddo
ItalianYiddo, how now young man. I pretty much expect the same strategy from Hull on Wednesday. Why should they try anything different? Hopefully, some changes in personnel will see us playing with a little more desire to beat guys one on one and we'll get to see some brilliance from some of the new guys. Would love to see Adebayor up top with Lamela on the right, Chali on the left and Erikssen just behind. We have loads of talent. We just need them to give it a little bit more. The more determined they are to defend, the more determined we need to be to play through it. We also need to be much more precise with our early passing. The last three matches have been awful for the first half hour. COYS
peterballb
Peter, I think being a cup game, Hull's strategy will be a different, think they must come looking to win in 90mins. But I agree Lamela, Chadli and Ericisson needs more playing time, Ade who I would start from the bench and ease him in.
Ossie
LOL Mix26, you're such a blind fanboi and deluded glory hunter who insist on insulting people who don't share your warped fanboi opinion and calling them "child", people who are total strangers to you! How childish of you huh? Judging from your moniker anyway, are you 26 years old now or perhaps you promised mommy you'll stop trolling and insulting elders on the internet when you turn 26 and finally start school? Well kid, grow up already! *smh*
HGH Magic
Ossie, I agree they would, if they could, but their injury list and Livermore being ineligible really cuts in to what they can do going forward. I expect the Hull strategy to be pretty much the same. They may try to hit us early as we have been very poor to start games lately, but still expect a whole heck of a lot of 11 behind the ball. We'll see. We just need to advance so that more players have game minutes that they deperately need. COYS
peterballb
Hi Peter, I know that teams do the same to other top sides and that Arsenal etc find a way to penetrate but it was difficult on Sunday as they were well drilled. We must find that early goal, the more we struggle the more resolute they get. I would have gone two up from the start, I hope he does on Wednesday.
ItalianYiddo
So Topho and Ian Bale are one of the same. Now that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Some hunt in packs and others are packs of one. Now who's sad!!!
yiddyboy
 

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