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Greetings one and all.

First things first, congratulations Defoe on breaking Big Chivs long standing record, 39 years suggests no mean feat. Well done!. I thought there were a lot of positives to take from the game, Lamela being the stand out performer. Whilst I had a quick look at the comments posted on here at halftime, I was not surprised to see so much negativity. I thought that Lamela playing on the Right allowed for Walker to be utilised in forward positions a whole lot more as compared to when Townsend is played there. Lamela was able to hold the ball a little longer and release Walker further forward at times. Right from the off Lamela looked like he was so much more confident in his ability. his passing was nearly always ahead of the player who was to receive the ball, something we have seldom witnessed thus far this season. His decision making looked considered as opposed to rushed.

Although they did not come off, Capoue did try a couple of balls over the top to Defoe, something we have discussed he is capable of doing, and something that Soldado is very adept at volleying home. Good to see the intention. After seeing Eriksens failed pass across our own backline you can see why his assist rate is so high. Cut that right out. Dembele started with his usual effortless ghosting past players and unleashed a good shot on target. As the game progressed however, he did revert back to giving the ball away all to cheaply at times. How can he make the hard things look so easy, and the easy so hard?.

All in all I thought we moved the ball well in the 1st half and did play some nice little one twos on the edge of the box. Penalty for me, but I'll leave that for you to discuss. All the good work came from the Right, and right at the end of the half Siggy whipped a ball in that Soldado would've thrived on. Defoe did not connect. We did not score, but the tempo was there along with a lot more movement around the box.

Second half saw Lamela continue on the Left where he had ended the first half. I know we had not scored but I did feel most of our best work came from the Right in the first half, this dropped off once Lamela was playing Left I thought. As soon as Lamela was reverted back to the Right he continued picking the ball up and running at players, his dribbling at times was sublime, he played a ball into Eriksen who tried to play a through ball ( which appeared not be coming off), it found it's way to Lamela, and he duly fired home. The duck was broken. Well done young man. You could see the lad grow in confidence before your eyes tonight, he was a constant threat, receive the ball and away we go. he showed no fear tonight.

Lamela picked the ball up and dribbled past numerous players in a tight space with such great ball control it was a delight to witness. He was too much, the foul had to come, soon to be followed by the penalty. Defoes moment had arrived. He despatched it well, but other than this incredible moment for him, he was not really in the game. Holtby did try a little dinked ball over the top, he executed it very well getting it up and down in a short distance. Defoe however was offside. ( no, really he was). But again another sign of what might be for Soldado.

I think that a lot of the way we played would have served Soldado well, he must have been somewhat bewildered as to why he does not receive the same kind off crosses and help to his game in and around the box. Hopefully this will now improve. Disappointed with the goal we conceded after all this time. Not blaming Brad, but i do wonder if we would've seen the same outcome with Lloris in the goal. Eriksen was hit and miss again tonight, but the shot wasn't to shabby, another confidence building exercise i'd suggest.

In summary, I can understand some concerns about the first half performance, but I do feel at times it is not only the score line that needs to be the benchmark for how we are doing. There were plenty of positives for me, two vs. one on the Right like the good old days, Capoue stepping straight back in and performing, more movement, Lamela running riot. All occurred in the 1st half believe it or not. We played well, could do better, but I'll make no apologies for gushing about Lamela, he's going to terrorise defences in time, this was just a taster. I'd suggest seize the moment and start him Sunday. Would you?.

On a final note.....Just because the Sheriff and the posse ( 20 travelling fans i believe) have left town. Let's keep the comments respectful....The site is still policed.

Written by Cider Spurs.




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Date:Friday November 8 2013

Time: 7:58AM

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Thanks Cider, the game seemed to be so much about Lamela, he had everyone looking at him thinking what will he do next. The kid has bucket loads of talent and I can't wait to see him over the next few years. Eriksen looked very frustrated with his own play and decision making. I like this attitude as u fell he wants to perform much better. He has such a great delivery I really hope he gets in more positions to use it. Capoue will be competing for a starting spot, just imagine him and the Beast in MF...
Mix26
P.S I phucken hate pigs!!!
Mix26
Whilst I was SHOCKED to see Brad come off his line at the corners on a few occasions, I can't help but worry he is not fit to keep opponents from scoring. There is no doubt most GK would have pushed that shot away from goal.
Mix26
I thought it was a good game! We dominated and were clearly the better side. It was good for the confidence of Lamela, isn't it good to see the inverted winger system work on the right?. Eriksen did seem to relax a little after his shot and hold the passes better (instead of getting pushed off/crowded out or them bouncing off him) he needs to get more minutes but not ready to be called a PL starter (talk of him settling in straight away was premature) it will have done him good. Capoue looks like he'll get up to speed fairly quickly and carry on where he left off and Verts, Walker and pauli all came through without injury (although I do think we're over playing walker)...
shedboy2
Mix- Imo Brad should have hung up his boots...it's painful just watching him now...
shedboy2
Lamela looking good. Eriksen's stop start form surprises me, but he will come good. Not sure about Lamela at 10. Right side for me, with license to roam, and Townsend on the left. I thought it was interesting that AVB switched wingers around at times last night. Don't recall him doing that before. Better performance I thought. I think the issue with speed of play is to do with the fact the forwards are still new to each other and that means they don't play one touch stuff much in the last third. PS Is it safe to post without a war braking out now?
mattkk
It's good that Defoe will be leaving us on a high this time. Roll on January and any one of Hulk, Pato of Martinez.
darkenvai
Lamela was a different player last night, confident from the start. Obviously a very young guy and people mature at different ages and I'm guessing having his family here now has made a big difference. I really hope he starts on Sunday. He can do everything Townsend does (albeit at a less explosive pace) but with so much extra added and not at the expense of ignoring the rest of the team. I honestly can't rate Townsend until he either starts mixing it up by threading through balls occasionally once he moves inside or he starts hitting the corners when he shoots to increase the chances of a goal or the goalkeeper spilling it for a corner or back into the penalty area. If Townsend must play stick him on the left where he's much more forced to be a team player and he can whip some crosses in for Soldado. I honestly think with Townsend on the left, Lamela on the right and Holtby through the middle he could be blessed with an abundance of chances.
flipper
Agreed Shed as tough a decision it may be we cannot afford to have him as back up the rest of the season. Surely we can bring in a good back up and or use Archer? Has anyone seen the boy play? Brad I think could have a role as coach for us or head back to the states for 1 last pay check.
Mix26
The interesting thing about Lamela last night was he didn't hold a position. Rather he moved all over the place, right, left and through the centre. It makes me wonder whether we should try pairing him and Townsend with instructions to swap wings at will. Conversely if AVB is going to play Lennon he really needs to play him on the right. We seem to have developed a way of doing just enough to get a result and this game was another example. Hopefully in the remaining two games AVB will give Kane and whoever else he thinks might make the grade a run out.
jod
The negativity at half time was to be expected, given the monopoly of comment by the buzzkill babes, but it was extremely comfortable - practically 3/4 of possession - with a lot more zip to the movement of the ball than we've seen of late, although still with less penetration than we'd like to see. Improvement is there, if you care to look for it. Certainly we merited a penalty for Lamela's drive into the box early on. I hope that, particularly after Verts in the first half against Everton that this people will think twice before saying we've been lucky with penalties this season, or that we can't rely on winning them going forward. I think we'll be awarded a fair few given our pressing in and around the fringes of the penalty area. On the subject, I wonder if Lamela's obvious efforts to stay on his feet will serve us better in the long run than winning that penalty. There can be little doubt that Bale's reputation cost us more than a few penalties last season.
darkenvai
Our play is definitely improving ( and it's evident we're practising penalty kicks ). Thought Capoue looked excellent considering this was his first game back after a long absence.
Lamela undoubtedly stole the show - he was sublime at times making passes that seemed to surprise the players receiving the ball - hope this is his turnaround. Sadly, a backup keeper is a priority in Jan - thanks to Brad for the sterling service but at 42 it's starting to show and will hurt us if we don't remedy.
Durbanspur
Soldado should have been brought on with 15 to go just to see how he did with the football we were playing, a goal would have boosted his confidence.
Horny Helen
Lamella!!!! I creamed my panties. HHXX
Horny Helen
Agreed dark re penalties, mind u it seems if they didn't chop him down they may have tripped over the string attached to the ball and his feet...
Mix26
hahahahahahahahahahahah HH :)
Mix26
Lol@Mix
darkenvai
Well done Lamela and the lads. We can now virtually ignore the rest of the qualification games and concentrate on other things. COYS
4everaspur
Well we are starting to see what all the fuss was about, Lamela will only get better each game. Im sure people that know him would say he was only about 60% last night as well. I don’t mean to bolt the horse early here but players around him need to catch up. So many times he would try a quick flick or round the corner ball only for it to bounce off Eriksens shin or something (worst performance I have ever seen from Eriksen BTW) The main worry is that Lamela will have to wait another few weeks before he gets a game as no matter what he does AVB won’t start him against Newcastle. Last night wasn’t about the result (but was a nice win) but was about individual performances. Three things to take from it 1) Lamela needs to be playing in the PL. He and Soldado could work some serious magic. 2) We need another feckin Keeper. Freidel may be a super fit 40 odd year old but he can no longer compete at the top. The mind may be willing brad but the flesh is week. 3) We need to qualify for th CL next year because im not sure how many more Thursday night “20man crowds” I can watch. Everyone in the boozer I went too was buzzing about the weeks CL fixtures etc and didn’t even know therer was a game on last night. Not excalty putting us on the map is it.
hudderspur
Lamela certainly was the MOTM for me. I thought Sherriff were well organized and generally had 10 behind the ball, although they did have a couple of decent chances. Pluses for me were, Kaboul/Verts CB partnership, Lamela showing all our wingers what the role is about, he mixed his game up very well and got a deserved goal for his effort. I did noticed a couple of time Lamela showed some frustration not sure whether it was miscommunication with teammate or disappointment as he expected better but that will come. I will mention Defoe as he did break the record, but seriously other than the penalty he was terrible. Erikson looked like Holtby last February, clearly he has the ability but I think he's trying a bit to hard rather than just letting his natural game come out.
yiddyboy
I'm so relieved AVB kept the new Gareth Bale (Townsend) wrapped up in cotton wool last night as a safety measure for the upcoming Newcastle game, because Lamela was appalling again last night! He cant shoot, he can't dribble, he can't score! Thank god we have no assists in 9 Premiership starts Townsend coming back in place of Lamela for the Newcastle game!
pelebro
As Dark says on the other thread, the Toon are next and they've conceded more than anybody outside the relegation zone. Will we be able to break them down or will we continue to flatter to deceive? It showed against Chelski, Spammers and Everton last week that even with first half dominance we are vulnerable if we don't kill games off in that period.
love totty
As for Defoe, All the Defoe haters on here are correct! Our greatest European goal scorer in the history of the club is crap, and Daniel Levy should cash in on him in January and sell him to Wet Spam so he can't score another European goal for Tottenham Hotspur, ever...
pelebro
"Jermaine Defoe, he's a Yido!"
pelebro
Dick
spurspanther
Pelebro - Didn't realise you liked Townsend that much :).
Kong
Kong, Townsend is my favorite Spurs player of all time's, and one day he will play for Real Madrid... Promise! ;-)
pelebro
Sounds like you are wishing for him to play for Real Madrid :).
Kong
Lamela - evertime I hear his name I have The Beatles "Julia" ringing in my ears for some reason and played very well last night and he was borderline sublime! The tricks he pulled off for the penalty was similar to the great Ronaldo. Bring it on Newcastle! I just hope he starts from the off. COYS!
James1
Sheriff are not a Premier league team, but neither are they mugs. They are a talented outfit who are well-resourced, well-drilled and used to winning. For them, as their coach admitted, the two games against us were the highlight of his and his players' careers. You can imagine - and indeed we saw - that they were extremely well prepared. I don't doubt that they've been researching our every move since they were drawn against us. Nevertheless they ended up losing 4-1 on aggregate and having, if the BBC calculations are the correct ones, less than a quarter of possession throughout. Just the sort of professional dispatch of inferior opposition that you hope, and all done while effecting significant rotation. If, on top of that, this proves to be the game where Lamela came of age for Spurs, I think we can be very content indeed. There's still a lot to do, but progress is there if you care to look for it.
darkenvai
There were definite signs that we were trying to move the ball quicker but apart from Lamela and Siggy swopping wings there was little variation in our pattern. Consequently even the most ordinary defences can anticipate our plays and close them down. We never seem to have that free man available ahead of the ball.
love totty
Cider - I did not see the game so thanks for the report. We've all been waiting for Lamela and it sounds like he's arrived. And I can't wait for Capoue to get back into the PL games. jod ... I am a great believer in wide players swapping wings when it feels right. It stops the backs becoming too settled. Helen -Giving Soldad 20 minutes would have been a good move.
Geofspurs
Well Defoe bagged a brace in a cup game which got him the nod for the following Prem game so Lamela hasn't done himself any harm whatsoever. I'd be happy to see Townsend (L) and Lamela (R) starting against Newcastle.
yiddyboy
I'm coming to the conclusion that we definitely need a bulldozer of a centre forward to bully defenders into mistakes. We've become too dependent on the flash of brilliance that Gareth provided and Lamela promises.
love totty
Kong, Sadly the 'world class' Paulinho is the one much more likely to be playing for Real Madrid in the future... :-(
pelebro
I will be seriously pi$$ed off if AVB starts Lennon and Townsend against Newcastle. LAMELA avb…..play him FFS!
hudderspur
love totty - Bobby Smith, it does not get any more 'bulldozier' than that (of course he'd be red carded after 10 minutes these days) lol Will Lamela be fit enough to play again so soon on Sunday? Imagine playing 433 with Sandro, Paulinho and Capoue in the midfield!
Geofspurs
Pelebro - I'm neither a Defoe hater, nor do I think he is crap. What we've learned, over the course of his many years at the club is that he is is not quite good enough. He's also too old to expect him to change for the better.
I don't doubt that he's done his best for the club, according to his lights, but, if we are serious about challenging, we need better than Defoe. How close to Chivers record do you think Defoe would've got, if we'd been playing CL level opposition rather than some of the Eurotrash that we've been up against in EL? Or, to put it another way, how much more CL football would we have played, if we'd had someone better up front than Defoe?
Jermaine Defoe is a Yido. The sooner we are saying that about someone considerably better, the sooner we will start winning stuff.
darkenvai
darkenvai - apparently Sheriff have not won an away European tie. Let's get things into perspective. Wasn't able to watch the match, but I sense nothing much has changed barring a slight emergence of Lamela. Pelebro - despite breaking the Chivers' record, I guarantee that Defoe has played more matches in Europe than Chivers. If the champions league and europa league existed in those days, Defoe would not be the record holder. Let's get that into perspective too. Not hating Defoe, he is a great cup scorer. Just not top 6 league standard - especially at 31.
TonyRich
I'd settle for Les Ferdinand in his pomp, Geoff.
love totty
This made me smile from the Telegraph:
"Sheriff are no ordinary club. They hail from the quasi-autonomous Moldovan enclave of Transnistria, where the weather can be bitterly cold, the food questionable and the locals ferociously suspicious of outsiders. If nothing else, it was ideal preparation for facing Newcastle this weekend."
jacobslad
Sorry to be such a nerd but it's close.....Chivers 22 goals in 32 and Defoe: 23 goals in 35 games....
MAN ON!
TonyRich, If Defoe can do the business for us in the FA Cup, the League Cup, and the Europa, and continue to be a willing covering bench player to Soldado in the Premiership, I believe he will have more than earned his wages this season, especially if we win the FA Cup or Europa League! And please don't write Defoe off scoring more goals for us in the Premiership...
pelebro
So, after last night's game the debate re Lamela will move on from "can he/cant he" (in terms of performing) to "should he/shouldn't he" get picked to play against Newcastle.
Difficult one, maybe for AVB. He has managed Lamela's introduction very well. He may want to hold him back, show loyalty to the players who have so far started ahead of him. On the other hand, with the int break looming, Erik on a high, and the team needing his skills to get in amongst what will presumably be another packed defence, Erik may get his first PL start. I'd start him IMO.
jacobslad
Good to see Lamela starting to show some form but my main concern was the very poor passing of the ball , more times than enough our players would give the ball away far to often and far to many school boy mistakes no sence in naming players because most of them were to blame , we better not play this bad against Newcatle or they will punish us , Dawson must return Kabul is not ready Eriksen not producing the form we are to believe he has , Capune no form what so ever , Siggudson no consistency , Lloris must return , Naughton not a left back not even a right bget shot of , send for Ekotto at least he is a left back Vertonghen must stay at centre back , give Defoe and Adebyor a chance .
POP
MAN ON! Thanks for the stats! Very interesting...
pelebro
Tony - I'm not saying they are Barcelona, but you're right things do need to be put into perspective. Look at the teams that Sheriff have failed to beat away in Europe, and they are hardly the sort of teams you've never heard of. They've also beaten some significant (EL level) opposition at home. My point is, they are not mugs, and as we should all know by now, there are no guaranteed victories in any competition home or away. Clubs of all hues can struggle against motivated minnows (God knows we have in the past!) but 75% possession and 4-1 aggregate scoreline are just the sort of professional performances we want from our second string, and that is just what we got. It's well worth watching the game if you've got a chance. There was still a lack of penetration and the slew of clear cut chances we all want, but the speed and precision of movement of ball and personnel in and around a very congested final third was much improved on previous performances. Also, if you've got any hopes invested in Lamela proving his worth, then you simply have to watch him in last night's game. Unrecognisable from the hesitant waif that we've seen in other games against similar level opposition.
darkenvai
Geofspurs- the swapping of wings last night only negated our threat from the right where Walker and lamela were combining well (lamela is better right than left)....the way our system works we'd confuse their fullbacks more if our fullbacks swapped wings! as for 433 yes! and at one point when i saw pauli waiting to come on I thought we might be taking eriksen off and was really looking forward to capoue at the base of Pauli and dembele in a 3...Pauli had a couple of half chances he made through being positive through the middle. The three of them I feel would make chances yet dominate the oppo...
shedboy2
MAN ON - But the format of the competition surely helps the modern player. They are guaranteed 6 games in the tournament whereas in Chivers time, lose and you're out. Not trying to take the record away from Defoe, just highlighting that actually we are comparing apples and pears.
yiddyboy
I hope Lamela gets a start against Newcastle.... What I think was impressive about him last night is him getting his act together so well and so soon after his disappointment of missing that penalty in his last match. He held his head high and went for it last night without any fear..... We seem to have a squad of players that show that same quality. A good team spirit and determination to succeed. This has to stand us in good stead for the future. A young and hungry group of talented players fighting for a place week in and week out and showing a steady progression. We're getting there. COYS!
MAN ON!
for me townsend should only play on the left where he is more likely to go for the byline and get crosses in. lamela was much more effective on the right yesterday because even if he cuts in he is looking for the pass to walker running into the vacated space on the wing or a though ball for his teammates in the box. I am so fed up to see townsend cut in and shoot. just 1 goal and this was from a cross and not a shot lol and no assists is simply not good enough for a player who is negating others in the team. I imagine Soldado must want to kill him by now. It frustrated me when bale played like this and his shooting was incredible. townsend is not bale and the sooner he stops trying to replicate him the better. he has shown on occasion that if he gets his head up he can spot the pass, but it is all too rare. Both lennon and lamela offer better balance on the right so townsends best hope is to make the left wing his own and start playing for the team
Guernman
darkenvai, Of course we would all swap Defoe for Suarez in a heart beat! But until such time Defoe is the best we have as number two to Soldado, with Ade not around? So I am going to continue to support him, and respect him, because I know he lives to score goals for the team I love. I hope justice is done and he ends his Spurs career with a Europa League winners medal, like the great Martin Chivers (in the old EUFA Cup) who I was privileged to have watched live, many times as a very young child. Sweet memories...
pelebro
yiddyboy....I know what your saying but you still have to put them away. A goal is a goal. However, Chivers was a far better CF and scored a great variety of goals. Also, for a big strong fella, he was pretty fast. As for Defoe it may be that it's his goals that help win us a trophy this season.
MAN ON!
jacobslad; ''the weather can be bitterly cold, the food questionable and the locals ferociously suspicious of outsiders. If nothing else'' I'm going to post that on Trip Advisor, sounds like my local pub.
spu 4 life
Agreed Guernman. I think Lamela is better disciplined than Townsend to sit out on the touchline and create space when necessary. Much like Lennon did on the left wing at Everton, allowing Verts to exploit the channel and have a MOM performance.
jacobslad
Pelebro - and the next opportunity to swap Defoe out for someone better is in January. Scant chance that it will be Suarez, but the rumours have already started. If you are for an upgrade, I don't understand your intemperate comments directed at those of us who'd like to see him replaced in the next window with someone better.
Defoe's recent comments about West Ham make me wonder whether your faith in his devotion to the cause is misplaced. Your faith in his scoring ability certainly is.
darkenvai
Great to see that AVB has seemed to evolved the formation and tactics. Wingers swapping sides was a welcome sight and the number of cross increased dramatically, Siggy staying out wide left or right and whipping crosses into the box. Dembele, Capoue and Eriksen were a bit disjointed at times but thats to be expected given the very limited playing time they've had together (and Capoue and Kaboul coming back from injury lay offs). Lamela in the first half reminded me a bit of a young Ronaldo when he came to United first, lots of unnessecary step overs with very little progression, but the evidence of the ability was there, second half he was diferent class. His run across the box for the penalty was sublime. Big defenders muscled Defoe out of it for most of the game, but the crosses and chances were there. Our typical dominant possession game has started to marry to a more cutting edge attack. Still a bit ponderous at times but over all a very positive result in terms of performances, game time, confidence and scoreline.
Slurms McKenzie
as with last week we should try all three lennon lamela and townsend it would be scary to play against and very fluid, quick movement, well worth a punt.
tophobunty3
REALLY good read, nice one, Cider!!
coopsieyid
pelebro - Same as you re Defoe ... except with his experience, the frequency of offside is both criminal, stupid and has prevented him scoring so many more goals throughout his career. I've never understood how he has not addressed this! He is worth his place in the squad and does have a job to do - at least until January. MAN ON - that's a surprising and interesting stat. Yes, the goal was great for Lamela after the penalty miss. It is 'Team Spirit' that will progress us. SHEDBOY - thanks for that. Good point
Geofspurs
Mix - I have to agree with you there, re Friedel & pushing the shot away. Them's the basics when it comes to goalkeeping. Not slagging the guy off, just stating the bloody obvious.
coopsieyid
Great performance by Lamela last night, not sure why the rush to play him on Sunday, like the way AVB is handling the situation. As for Defoe as per usual VS making him available for transfer in the next window, but he ant going nowhere, he seems to accepted he's back up, and AVB (the actual first team coach) seems happy with him.
Ossie
Lamela will bring others into the game more if played. I feel him and Soldado could build up a great understanding.
Kong
ade is in the mix for the toon game....he played quite well against them before but i can't see AVB giving him the nod....Defoe struggles in our system, as does Naughton but I don't think either will start against toon....it just seems all our options are now Right...Lennon, townsend and Lamela...and as teams park the bus we rely less on speed and more on incision...it has to be lamela. But i expect townsend to start and Lamela to come on....
shedboy2
Yup Friedel is startign to decline, and at forty is that really a surprise. He is still good enough for these types of games (just) but as we progress will he still eb capable of assisting the team or will he become more of a liability? Lloris can't be expected to play every game after christmas and the everton game could have put him out of action for seveal months. Goalkeeper must be the main target for January. Forster from Celtic for less then 7 million anyone?
Slurms McKenzie
Ossie, I think it is more a case of Defoe making himself avaialbe for the transfer window then anyone on VS. Yes we would liek him to Stay with the club as our back up / cover striker but he has made it clear through out his career that he doesn't want this role and witht he world cup around the corner the lad needs to be on the pitch impressing Woy. Maybe a six month loan deal wouold suit all parties if we sign another striker in january. And then after the world cup he can see out his days with Spurs.
Slurms McKenzie
My first half comments where simply born out of frustration last night, again we had most of the possesion (how many times is that) yet we go in at HT 0-0. Seeing Capoue get almost an hour of play time was very pleasing, Defoe breaking new ground setting the clubs record for goals in european games, overtaking Big Chiv was always going to happen the little fellar will get us goals, long may it continue. But the biggest smile was seeing Eric Lamela have a very good game, MOTM without doubt and as predicted scoring, when we signed him and I kept blowing his trumpet on VS, for us to do so, he is a footballing talent and one who will get better as time moves on, I'm certain when Kyle Walker ask's him to slot in and pick up a player, he has no idea what his saying, training by day and english classes by night, well maybe. Let him bed in and AVB to take his time with him, as he did with Hugo. We have got into the knock out stages, we clearly need to win the group, this helps us avoid 3rd placed CL teams coming into our back yard, we can go all the way in the europa cup, we have the players to win it.
spu 4 life
We need these euro games, and PL & Cups as all of squad gets games. JD is always best at impact sub in PL.. and cup games as starter.. so he should be acceptable, as getting game times and scoring.. This is something Harry never really got right,.. rotation of players. But in fairness he did not have the depth of quality AVB now has...
Block D Spurs
moving the ball is not well! Dembele is strong skillful but too predictable. one or two changes of directions and little body positions and pass to someone behind or next to him. - the main problem is him. i like him btw
SpursWho
We certainly have a more crosses yesterday, which I'm sure is just coincidence as Townsend wasn't playing!
Townsend (L) Lamela (R) for me against the Toon.

For me Townsend plays a similar game to Bale and Lamela is more like Ronaldo, which in turn tell me everything I need to know.
yiddyboy
Oh, I also have a request. Can people PLEASE stop saying Lamela is our record signing, or that he cost £30mil. He is NOT and he DIDN'T.. Soldado cost £26mil, Lamela cost us £25.7mil, with £4.2mil coming from future add-ons, should he reach certain targets with our club. That makes Soldado our record signing at this moment in time. That may be a petty thing to ask, but it pi$$es me off when I constantly see "this lad cost £30mil & is playing like this", or "Tottenham's £30mil man is struggling to live up to his record price tag" etc etc etc. There is no record price tag hanging over the lads head, not yet atleast. There will also NEVR be a £30m fee associated to him either. £25.7m + £4.2m = £29.9m. Pedantic? Yeah maybe, but that £100k makes a massive difference. I believe we once signed another player for £99,999 because Bill Nicholson refused to pay the full price, just to stop him being the first £100,000 player? I think that guy was called Greaves, or something like that? He never did much for us after signing anyway ;-).. My point is, the difference may be little, but fact is the figure being spoken of is incorrect. Sorry.
coopsieyid
It is astounding that Friedel, at his age, has managed to maintain the level of skill and fitness that he has. In all sincerity I tip my hat to the man. Unfortunately, that level is not high enough for our needs (even) as a backup keeper. Against the teams we are going to face in the earlier stages of EL and the domestic cups, we will no doubt get away with it, but if, God forbid, some brick outhouse of a forward should by accident or design give Lloris the kind of whack on the head that Gallic obstinacy is not going to save him from, we would get found out sooner than later in the Prem. Fingers crossed that it doesn't happen, and, thankfully, injuries to keepers are rare, but I'm not comfortable with us relying on chance in this way.
darkenvai
defoe did it once but not effectively.. keep trying, he should run across / in front of back line defenders, and turn for the through ball / over the top pass. No offside and More goals...
Block D Spurs
Block D Spurs add to that arry would not have signed any of these current 7 players AVB got, because he would have put Levy down ''I don't want a DOF'' we still would have lost Bale, I shudder to think who arry would have signed?
spu 4 life
We do need a better and younger backup for Lloris. The dilemma with keepers is keeping the second choice happy and up to scratch when one of them is gonna be a benchwarmer for most of the season. Brad is just grateful for every chance he gets. A good young keeper like Forster will want regular first team football.
MAN ON!
coops; who does Pedantic play for, is he worth £29.9m?
spu 4 life
If we do sign another striker in Jan it will be to replace Ade, Defoe will not be going nowhere, if Defoe really wanted to leave, why would be only restrict himself to a move to West Ham, everyone will interpret his comment differently, he hasn't started 1 game in the Prem this season, yet still got called up for England.
Ossie
Coopsie I firmly believe that Lamela will meet and exceed all the targets set for byt he club and so the 29.9 million is his fee in my mind. but I take your point about accuracy. But why do you think that either the media or vital spurs posters would now start to input accurate information?
Slurms McKenzie
....Maybe we need to start easing Archer in to the team.
MAN ON!
According to the presenters on ITV4's coverage of the game Defoe only touched the ball 9 times in the whole game. What a contribution to the game but his penalty was sublime. Anyone wanting to watch the game may find it on the ITV player. Don't know if it's on there but worth a look. Lamela shone like a beacon at times last night, welcome to the real player y1dd0's.
longtimespur
Ossie...He started against Spam in the PL.
MAN ON!
I agree with Ossie, England have pi$$ poor strikers...
Slurms McKenzie
I strongly think taking Coentrao from January on loan would be a good move, sorry to mention it but regards Ade we either stick or twist, £160 per wk quoted if he comes back to his best we have a very good centre forward waiting in the wings or we buy new aka Benteke. Both players (2 from 3) would make us even stronger.
spu 4 life
Ok my bad Man On, having only started 1 games in the Prem.... and longtimespur that was 9 times in the first half.
Ossie
Oh, did anyone else notice, despite Friedel not pushing the shot away, Walker just literally stood & watched the goalscorer run past him & put the rebound away? He didn't even attempt to move, just stood there & let it happen. Again, not slagging Walker off, this was just yet another example of something Peterballb has often stated on here & been pilloried for doing so. Walker is 'slack' when it comes to concentration & doing what is primarily his number 1 job, ie defending. Sort that out & he will go on to become one of th best modern day fullbacks in the world.
coopsieyid
Ossie...Sorry for picking you up on that....I still haven't got over that bloody game!
MAN ON!
Coopsie, if Brad had done his job then Walker could afford to swtich off, if our defensive line can't rely on our keepr to do the basics then our high line is going to start dropping further and further back. Walker played well again last night but I agree he didn't cover himself in glory for their goal.
Slurms McKenzie
I think the whole defence stood still!
MAN ON!
yiddyboy ... I like Townsend and think he has great potential for the future. He does play in a similar way to Bale. Trouble is, he thinks he is Bale! (is it his dream to play for RM, too). He needs to stop cutting inside so much. It congests the middle and confuses players ready to make runs. I think he needs to go outside and cross more or lay it back ... but he is young and still learning and, as I said, I like him and his energy.
Geofspurs
FLIPPER - Amen, nice post (your first one, don't know if you've made more, haven't read down further than that post yet).
coopsieyid
No Coopsie I think Peter gets pillored for the continuing blasting of Walker, we all know he has faults, but he young, good and we hopefully get better. He gets alot of stick and I just dont see how that will help him, considering we dont have a good enough replacement.
Ossie
coopsie, I am not trying to be pedantic, but Lamelas fee was probably paid and agreed in Euros. 30M Euros. So the adds on can fluctuate at anytime given the exchange rate, which at this moment in time is seeing the £s bit for add-ons getting less. I know you like detail!
jacobslad
Brad isn't 40...he's 42! well past it....but i wouldn't rush to buy a keeper in jan unless we offload Gomes...him, Brad and archer surely should be enough cover...We NEED a LB and back to goal striker (unless Ade returns for the whole season not just a December shop window) that's the priority. Ossie...'not be going nowhere'..so where will he be going?..;)...I wouldn't be surprised if he went in Jan or stayed until the end of the season...I will be surprised if he's here next season though!
shedboy2
I though Lamela played well last night, and since he is our record signing at £30m it’s about time : )
hudderspur
my bad shedboy, not going anywhere, I feel so ashamed....lol
Ossie
MAN ON - Nice stats, now is there any chance you could find out who Chivers & Defoe scored their goals against? Class of opposition is surely as important as the amount of goals scored? Well it is when the much maligned Sigurdsson scores. It's ALWAYS a case of "yeah he scored, but against who?" etc etc, from certain members of this site. The same rule must apply to every player, no?
coopsieyid
Pelebro - You've made some bloody funny posts this morning, THAT is more like it fella :-). Careful though, certain people don't like to see Paulinho praised ;-)
coopsieyid
But its been said on here many many times that Defoe is a flat track bully, regardless of that he is our All Time record scorer in Europe even if he scored all his goals against Tromso
Ossie
coopsieyid....Haha! Cheers. I could but I won't.
MAN ON!
By the way, greetings to you Cider...
MAN ON!
Naughton played well on the left solid display, Paulinho had a good game as well when he came on. Lamela stole the show but that was just the start for him imo. Breath of fresh air when he got the goal. We are far from the non-entertaining team the hatters like to think. Nice article Cider but I wouldn’t fully blame Brad for the goal, I would put that also down to Kaboul. He could have met the ball instead of backing away and allowing a shot in the first place so easily. It was a bit of a gift, only a consolation but as AVB said after – took the sting out of us and we could have got a few more. Kaboul like Capoue, is still lacking a little sharpness. Looking forward to thumping the toon at the weekend. COYS.
SpursOne2
Big well done to JD, even his after match comments about Erik reflected my thoughts. Enjoy the history Defoe, hes a yiddo. COYS.
SpursOne2
Good point, Slurms. Fecking accurate information is useless in todays society lol

spu - Pedantic is quality mate, been a fan of his for 38 years now ;-)
coopsieyid
True, Slurms, re Friedel & Walker, I can agree with that. Both players were culpable BUT I compare Walker last night, to KiriKesh the other week. One stood and watched as a goal was scored, the other bust a gut to make up about 30 yards on the attacker & make sure he was there to pull off a miraculous block that prevented a certain goal when there was no 'keeper to prevent it. THAT is what a 'defender' is 'supposed' to do. Both players are the same age, both love to attack, yet it appears that only one can fully understand his actual responsibilities to the team. I wonder if it's just a matter of intelligence? One has it & one doesn't?
coopsieyid
Geez the kid has barely been in the country a couple of months and we want to throw him into the mix at Newcastle who are known for their politeness and a manager who believes kicking the sheit out of teams is what football is about. Lamela has been managed very very well albeit being ridiculed by certain posters ( who now claim they told us so lol). Lamela will not start at the toon and he will again be eased in slowly gaining confidence and experience.
Mix26
Ossie - Again, spot on. As I stated yesterday, no matter what anyone thinks of Defoe (it's no secret I don't particularly 'rate' him), his record CAN'T be denied, nor should it be!!
coopsieyid
but coops we have not paid all the 26 mil for soldado yet, so where does that leave us/ the balance sheet will show Lamela is our record signing unless they are using Harry's accountant. So Lamela is our record signing.
tophobunty3
ossie ... sorry I thought it was the whole game, they did Lamela's at the same time. Don't remember it being until the end of the match.
longtimespur
Lamela certainly played like a record signing last night, as long as he keeps doing that I dont care how much we paid or didn't pay or will pay for him.
Slurms McKenzie
I said earlier in the season that AVB has to stick to his guns with his tactics and our general game plans. He has a bloody difficult task in achieving consistent and solid team performance whilst having such a new squad and looking to progress in all competitions. (9 changes to the team last night that played on Sunday). Yet we are starting to look cohesive and strong whatever the selection. It's getting that squad mentality right so that whoever plays, fits in to the system seamlessly and that each individual understands their role. Once players understand this and gain confidence, then that's when we start to see the individual shine, as Lamela showed last night. The rest of the team then, in turn, step up a gear. We have a way to go but I'm looking forward to the ride. COYS!
MAN ON!
Good point Mix26 but remember Lamela has played in arguably two of the toughest derbies in world football. Roma v Lazio and River Plate v Boca Juniors so I think he can handle the kicks. He got kicked often enough last night and got on with it, but he probably will start from the subs bench. COYS!
James1
Come on guys - It's all over the media FFS - Defoe is our RECORD singing with 23 goals!!
Geofspurs
Lamela was kicked about a bit last night but he got up, got on with it and seemed to get stronger...
MAN ON!
Furry Muff James1 I just feel it's not ideal to put him into that situation so early in his career here and perhaps coming off the bench could work in his favor rather than a start.
Mix26
As I said after his penalty miss, he's man enough to deal with it.
MAN ON!
Actually, the problem last night was Lamela getting up when he should have stayed down. The boy's too honest by half ;-)
darkenvai
Furry Muff hahahaha - Seriously? :) Yeah agree with no point rushing him but then again I have no fear of him starting against the Toons. COYS!
James1
That's fair enough Mix26 lol
longtimespur
Just found out that we've got that bloody cyclist fella reffing us again on Sunday :-(
coopsieyid
So it appears most are happy with last nights performance. Obviously our boy Lamela stole the show. ( b/oody pleased for him after some of the stick he's endured). Loads of positives, and yes, granted still areas to improve.

For years now we have tried the cavalier approach to our play, we've made the champs league once, and won the League cup once since the Premier league was formed. Not really mind blowing reading is it?. I absolutely love the fact that we are now a tough team to beat, yes we need improving a little in areas, but this will happen. Let's appreciate the fact that we've tried the other way and it really has not served us that well, and get behind the exciting, evolving new style we are moving towards. I'm well in for the journey, gonna' take a bit of time, but the early signs are damn encouraging, would you not agree?.

Please don't base it all on money, it does not work like that at all times. We have recently lost some top talent, one of which now holds the record for being the Worlds most expensive footballer. the manager is new, since the start of last season, look at the changes to personnel and tactics. If you still find this dull and boring i cannot see you ever being satisfied. The new exciting times are playing out in front of us right now, don't miss the moment through being annoyed because the standards you expect have not been met as quickly as you desire. We are in a very good shape, i believe most of our rival teams are aware of this. Maybe some of the fans of Spurs should realise this also.
Cider spurs
lamela did well yesterday,need him to do it in the hustle-bustle of premier league though
ghulamville
Cider - Spot on - it's a work in progress, and a very exciting and promising one at that!
Geofspurs
lamela improved as the game went on last night, in the first half he looked a bit like he was auditioning for strictly come step over 2014. He confidence grew and when he took that sharpe chance very well then it grew still further. All power to him and long may it continue. It would be very good to put him in the next match at home at the weekend, ideally switching from number 10 to either wing, fluid.... Strike while the irons hot, one assumes AVB will pick two defensive minded players to shield the back 4 , even at home again, so why not have three creative quick footed players in front of them....much better I would say...ideally with Ade in front of them pulling defenders all over the place creating space for the quickies to exploit....no more El Statico...
tophobunty3
Cider - We've won the league cup twice since the PL started ;-)
coopsieyid
Pelebro you are wrong!
keefdayid
i am still not convinced with him dealing with the physicalities of pl,he looks more suited to the european game
ghulamville
Cider - We haven't sold the worlds most expensive player at all. Madrid haven't paid the full sum of the transfer fee yet, so he's not the most expensive player in the world ;-)
coopsieyid
Lamela is better than that Ozil fella :-)
SpursOne2
Ozil, oozee?
MAN ON!
My big mistake...I forgot 1999. ;-( Maybe shed is right...42 is past it.
Cider spurs
How can you possibly forget our triumphant man in a raincoat? Shame on you, Cider ;-)
coopsieyid
Oh and shed is never right ;-) lol..
coopsieyid
Spu 4 life, I've seen that Pedantic play, he spends most of the match arguing with the ref over the rules
keefdayid
Cider - have no fear, turning 43 is like becoming 16 all over again ;-)
darkenvai
I most probably forgot because we had Gonner Graham at the helm, and if i recall it was quite a dour affair dressed up as a final. But heyho, we won it, and history will display this fact. Apologies to all concerned. ;-) As for Bale....can we not come to an agreement that although a house is worth £1 million , i need a mortgage. I repay over 25 years. As soon as i commit to that mortgage, surely my house is still £1 million?. I've not paid it as of yet, but that's the value of it.
Cider spurs
dark....I'd better not tell the missus....I was a right little sheit at 16...I've since changed my ways. Now i am a big sheit.
Cider spurs
I love her to bits...Still can't understand why she has not worked out that when i say i'm going for a quick pint....that it means circa 12 tho'.
Cider spurs
coops mate-almost every big transfer is hardly ever 100%.and add ons is included when the fee is announced
ghulamville
Cider, I imagine that you're intention is to simplify the debate for all concerned with that explanation, but you're overlooking interest, fluctuating inflation as well as appreciation/depreciation and market sentiment! The price and the value of something are rarely the same, and these variables can be subjective, and have a brainachy fluidity to them, the understanding of which makes much cleverer men than ourselves, much richer than us :-/
darkenvai
Pelebro correction. you are right about Big Chiv he is one of my Spurs Hero's too, however he wasn't a patch on the God that was Greavsie
keefdayid
dark....I almost put a little closing note stating that the house would most probably devalue by half as soon as i signed the pesky paperwork in the current climate. :-)
Cider spurs
ghulam - I know, mate. But as it stands, he hasn't cost as much as Soldado, and never will if he doesn't hit the targets set within the contract of sale. Plus he will NEVER cost £30mil, EVER ;-)
coopsieyid
keefdayyid - Re - pedantic lol. Greave debut - touched the ball about three times ... scored a hat-trick. And it just kept going. He wasn't too bad!!
Geofspurs
Cider - If you bought a house for £1mil, there's no doubt it'd have a swimming pool. I would fully expect that pool to be filled with Cider & then receive an invite to make the 2 hour drive from Cornwall to Somerset, so we can each go for a thoroughly enjoyable dip whilst waiting for a THFC game to start on TV ;-)
coopsieyid
Personally, I would play Kaboul, Capoue and Lamela against Newcastle. I'm also looking forward to seeing Rose and Walker raiding wide and Townsend and Lamela wreaking havoc in free roles supporting Soldado. That will inevitably mean playing 3 of Capoue, Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho together in the middle to keep it strong.
muttley
Just watching our ex manager on SSN, saying he's not concerned about his teams lack of goals because they're keeping clean sheets & winning games. His words = "we are playing a system that works, I'm playing 1 up top & we're winning games 1-0, what's the point in sticking 2 up there is we are going to lose".......

Hmm, that sounds really bloody smart to me & I wish our club would come up with the same mentality, maybe then we wouldn't lose so many games!!
coopsieyid
Does anyone know when Rose is available?
Ossie
muttley - No reason we couldn't stick Holtby between 2 from Sandro, Capoue & Paulinho, and still have the same rigidity but with that bit more flair & creativity from deep?
coopsieyid
Coopsieyid - not really sure we are losing too my games ... yet, anyway!
Geofspurs
Ossie according to physioroom, 24th November, but that date has been continuously pushed back since Rose's injury. Could change to 24th December by next week.
Guyver
Ossie - Physioroom has Rose down for a return date of November 24th, mate...

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
coopsieyid
Lamela is better than Ozil now one2? i am going to clean my loo with porridge this afternoon, its better than bleach...................Ossie, dont worry we have Naughton to play left back....
tophobunty3
Coopsie we have played Holtby with two of them and it was not a pretty sight from recent memory. If we have two beasts protecting the back four, that 7 of the 11 inc the keeper taking car of the back end....that leaves 4 to do something up top.....now that is how AVB likes it no doubt.....I wonder if there is a clue there as to why we have been so prolific in front of goal so far?
tophobunty3
Geof - Come on young man, you should know by now that I am unable to post a single word without feeling the need to resort to sarcasm ;-).. I simply found it ironic that a few members on here are hankering for the football our ex manager supposedly plays, yet he's in a press conference defending the fact that he has his team playing pretty much exactly the same way as we do. 'tis a funny world we live in :-)
coopsieyid
Rose has probably been spending too much time in Adebayor's company, and has decided he'd much rather get paid for doing nothing than busting a gut week in, week out! On a more serious note, though (and it's something we've mentioned before) why do our injuries always tend to drag on like this?
darkenvai
I can honestly say I've never seen Holtby played alongside any 2 of our 'holding midfielders' in a 4-3-3 formation. Guess i was hibernating when that happened? As for this prolific in front of goal thing, some people can see the bigger picture. How many teams have scored more goals than us? Even if it's all of them, there's still only 3 above us, with only 1 of them having more points on the board. How many of them are still in the league cup? And all of them which are in Europe can only achieve the same as we have. Still, let's not concern ourselves with anything even remotely positive, eh?
coopsieyid
coops...You'd be more more than welcome in my manor mate. Swimming pool or not, the town is renowned for drinking. I suggest you'd fit right in. ;-)
Cider spurs
dark - I wish I knew the answer mate.
coopsieyid
Guvyer, Coops thanks... Topho Im already worried!!! Naughton showed yesterday how poor he is at left back, ok back up as right back tho.
Ossie
Coops - read it again - my bad! So, you miss Harry too, then! lol
Geofspurs
Hey dark - Maybe you should politely ask Bunty to ask his source?
coopsieyid
Maybe Harry's only concern right now, is getting QPR promoted, and for all his faults Harry did get us playing some great football, esp at home, that is undeniable. And with the talent we have in our ranks, I see no reason why we can't win games and play great football (esp at home). Lets just hope it all falls into place soon
Ossie
Cider - I'm offended, mate. I've never touched a drop of alcohol in my entire life!! Oh, wait, no I've never dropped a touch of alcohol in my entire life, that the one!! ;-)
coopsieyid
Geof - Umm, no!! lol...

Ossie - Anyone who denies that Redknapp's football was exciting, is a fecking liar. As I said in my earlier response, I just found it really ironic that he is now defending himself for doing exactly the right thing, ie playing the brand of football that will get him the results that will, most likely, get his team to the target they're aiming for. I fail to see the difference between what he is doing (with many new players in his squad compared to last season) and what our own manager is doing, with many new players in his squad compared to last season. As I've constantly maintained, results must come first, I was just flabbergasted to hear that old bugger saying the very same thing :-)
coopsieyid
Am i the only one who thinks/has noticed that Lamela looks amazingly similar to 'Gaz' from 'Geordie Shore'?. Or is it simply a case of me being the only person that's ever seen Geordie Shore? lol.
coopsieyid
Well i'm all for the hair of the dog. Work this morning got last nights cider out the system. Refreshment required. However, newly becoming a grandad has resulted in the missus and i having the Grandaughter for the night. Wouldn't have it any other way, gonna be ready for a cheeky one tomorrow tho' me thinks. Is it not QPR vs reading tomorrow on Sky?. Is Benny fit to play?.
Cider spurs
Did Holtby not play in our last prem game with the other two and maybe the one before?
tophobunty3
Cider - Tomorrow evening = Norwich V The Spammers, and tomorrow afternoon = Reading V QPR (12.15 kick-off I think)..... Here's where you can get a bit of pre-match team news :-)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24782848

No Kranjcar :-( or Tom Carroll :-( :-(
coopsieyid
Coopsie, the bigger picture includes looking at a) who you have played to date and b) how you did against the better or lesser of those and c) who have the other leading teams played? ie have we had an "easy" or hard start fixtures wise. Still in the league cup? Man City Man United and Chelsea, 3 of just about everybody's predicted top 4. I guess Wenger chose to focus on the CL instead of the CC....silly him......
tophobunty3
Muttley with you there, i would 100% play those three....
tophobunty3
In a 4-3-3? Which was clearly my intimation, and has been mentioned many times previously. I think it'd be awesome, in my opinion.

Lloris

Walker, Kaboul, Vertonghen, KiriKesh

Capoue, Sandro, Holtby

Eriksen, Soldado, Lamela..

Paulinho & Dembele can each individually rotate with any of the middle 3, whilst Lennon, Townsend & Sigurdsson, can rotate with either of Eriksen & Lamela.... jobs a good-un!!
coopsieyid
I think it could work coopsie but not with those players playing it.
tophobunty3
You're a blind fool if you think or believe that Wenger threw away the league cup. How many of the PL teams that have outscored us in the PL are now out of the league cup? That was my question, was it not? I've looked at who we've played, I still see us in 4th (joint 2nd) with only 1 team having more points than us & some of the teams we've beaten have taken points off the teams above us. For instance, Villa beat Arseanal (we beat Villa), Everton beat Chel$ki (we drew with Everton), Swansea drew with Liverpoo (we beat Swansea) etc etc etc.. It makes no difference who we've played, one of the teams above us may have beaten us, but we've taken points from games they were unable to. That is truly looking at the bigger picture, and it's a beautiful work of art that I choose to watch :-)
coopsieyid
HA! HA! HA!...Gaz from Geordie...i love it.
Cider spurs
Coopsi - never seen 'Gaz' ... does he speak English as well as Lamela?! 433 team looks good, but I'd change Holtby for Paulinho. I'm not sure why ... just to see what happens, I guess. There are so many possible combinations that it's mind-boggling. That back four is a given for me.
Geofspurs
why dont you have your box to boxer Paulinho in there? he is good for 20 a season, like Frank Lampard.
tophobunty3
Let me guess, no Andros is the issue with 4-3-3? I picked solely based upon who is available to us now.
coopsieyid
How many seasons on the trot has Wenger played his reserves in the CC Coopsie. Ok I am blind. (fool?) mildy abusive. Are your dreams built around is winning the CC? Villa beat Arsenal reserves. We beat Villa who had key players missing.. Just looking at the bogger pitcure here Coopsie. It makes all the difference who you have played, everybody understands that...if there were no differences in harder v weaker, all teams would finish on equal points.....in you art studio Coopsie do you think we have played more games against teams we should expect to beat or expect to find it hard to beat so far in the prem?
tophobunty3
Easy games?. What are these that you talk of?. If we followed the idea of "we should beat them they're easy" we would have already afforded our opponents the upper hand by demonstrating our sheer ignorance. How many teams have come unstuck by not showing the opposition the respect they deserve?. Who says we should beat Hull, or the Cardiffs and Swanseas of the League?. Let me guess, it's because we have spent more wedge than them so that should equate to us being better. Nope. Training, the right type of player, hard work and tactics will be the difference. Something that any good manager can instil.
Cider spurs
By the way, massively off topic BUT the wife & I love nothing better than a good series on TV. We've seen all of the Sons Of Anarchy (so far), seen all of the Breaking Bad's, are currently enjoying Homeland, and have watched the first season of The Dome. Is 'The Wire' worth a look? It's got bloody good reviews but it's always good to get the opinion of others :-)
coopsieyid
Geof - After watching the first 2 seasons of Geordie Shore, I'd guess that Lamela speaks better English than all of them lol.. He does bloody look like him though.
coopsieyid
$hit, I gotta go and get the kids from school, I shall return & hope to be enlightened about 'The wire' when I do :-) COYbeautifulS
coopsieyid
IMO Football can never be predicted by ... they beat them, so we should beat them etc ... that's the beauty of football and what keeps ALL teams going. Every game is impacted on by so many variables. Ya gotta luv it!!
Geofspurs
Holtby IMO would be the pefect CM player to partner Sandro and or Capoue. I have explained my thoughts behind this many times, but as of yet have not witnessed it. As fot the front 3. Why would Eriksen, Lamela and Soldado not be suited?. Lamela ads the trickery and goals, Eriksen the creative spark, Soldado smashes them in. It will happen....but only when they get up too speed and play on a regular basis. Or we could sell them and go and buy somebody who performed this way last season....Oh!!...My mistake we did buy players who achieved this same feat last season. therefore they might just be good enough.
Cider spurs
Coopsieyid I've not seen 'The Wire' but the chaps at work rate it. I'm a sucker for S.H.I.E.L.D. I take it you've seen Game of Thrones? If not mate I highly suggest you do and in HD. I have a boxette on Band of Brothers, similar to Saving Private Ryan and if you like your war films it's a must see. Also tempted to watch 24 all over again. COYS!
James1
Sorry Topho but it makes no difference to who you have played. City lost to Cardiff does that make Cardiff top 4 and City relegation material? All this nonsense about not playing the top team etc, etc, etc. All we need to do is accumulate enough points to achieve our goal, who we beat is irrelevant.
yiddyboy
For years Wenger played his kiddies in the LC, because he had bigger fish to fry. Then, as he found it harder and harder to net the big ones, he started mixing more and more first teamers into the LC sides. For the game against WBA, Wenger tried to go back to the days of playing all reserves and almost got found out by West Brom's second string. Against Chelsea, however, the team that Wenger fielded over the 90mins looked suspiciously like what he'd been fielding in the PL give or take a player here or there. Wenger didn't want to go out LC, but he didn't have the personnel to stop it against what was very much a second best Chelsea side. I can't say that I'm anything but overjoyed. The only downer is that they couldn't both lose.
darkenvai
Cider, of course there are "easier " games, would you expect us to win away to Man City, or hope? whould you expect us to win away to C.Palace or hope? ......Coopise here is a web site for that http://www.imdb.com/
tophobunty3
Guys, quick, all step up Wire reviews requested...trot along...
tophobunty3
I could get very excited if AVB played Ade,Soldado,Lamela and Eriksen in the same team.It would involve AVB swallowing his pride and throwing off that oh so cautious approach to home games.He may be the first manager to be sacked for boring the fans to death.
Greavesaboveall
Geof...So true.
Cider spurs
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0306414/?ref_=nv_sr_1 i got there first...yippeeeee, my day is complete. So who are Spurs playing Sunday? and are we at home or way as some dont seem to know. It is on after Saturday Morning Best Bites? mY EX'S sisters best friend loves James Martin....rock on cooking and that omlette race..
tophobunty3
topho...I think the only time i have used the term "expect to win" was when we played a depleted Hull side in the League. It was based purely on the fact that they were so under strength. On that basis you could argue that is a great pointer on how we are struggling this season, but i also like to give credit to the opposition at times for the way they perform on the pitch. Hull were tough to break down, Hull will continue to be tough to breaak down. Is that our weakness or their strength?. only time will tell what results are deemed good and on reflection what appears to be opportunities missed.
Cider spurs
Coopsie don't start watching the wire. My wife and I got the full box set as a gift a couple of christmas's ago, I have never lost so much sleep in my life! It will destroy you! It takes about two-three episodes to start to really understand the lingo but once you do it's totally absorbing. The anti-heros, drug dealilng, corruption, violence, gallows humour, Inept criminal justice system, internal politics of both the police and drug dealer's gangs, turf wars and the brilliant Idris Elba. The worst part is when it finishes you're left with this massive void in your life. I've tried filling it with The Walking Dead, Arrow, Boardwalk Empire, Game of Thrones, Sopranos re-runs, Falling Skys, The Blacklist, The Following, etc. And while most are good they just can't quite scratch that itch.
Slurms McKenzie
As for have we had an easy or hard start. I'd suggest regardless of whom we've played, it has been hard. We have after all the challenge of getting 7 new signings integrated into the team. Done very well all things considered. Who knows when all are firing and up to speed we may be in a position to "expect" to win matches, at the moment i'm still hoping.
Cider spurs
Arsenal reserves topho? The only player Arsenal had missing against Villa was Ozil who wasnt signed yet. Villa had key playerS missing vs us? No they were only without Benteke, who came on 2nd half.
Guyver
If the failings of Haringey Council upset you, and/or you think that Tottenham and surrounding areas are $hitholes, you need to watch the Wire and take a look at parts of Baltimore! It's an education. Idris Elba is great in it, but never forget that he is a gooner ;-)
darkenvai
Now that Cider has brought us back to FACTS, I have one of my own.
According to the poll, 10% of voters didn't see Lamela as MOTM, those voting for Naughton, Friedel, Dembele, Kaboul or Paulinho clearly don't understand how football is played...FACT
yiddyboy
Cider, sorry for being ambitious but I expect any team who wants top four to expect to beat many of the bottom half teams very often. It's about progress and I guess its the way Man United think, it's good to demand constant improvement and to expect it too. There is no doubt Cidee that we are struggling to find the right balance and set up to make the best of this very strong and talented squad, not sure i remember a better one. Ok even it can be improved, most notably and left back and up front. Let's get ambitious.......the start, it sure has been hard, very laboured in many ways, but the fixtures were friendly to us at the start, there is little doubting that.
tophobunty3
Well done Slurms I think you have destroyed my free time ;) COYS!
James1
yiddy...I'm great at these little polls on the side ( no joke required). Every time they put up one suggesting if we'll win a match i always get it correct.....Shame i don't submit to after the event. But heyho, i'm still a winner. Am i not?.
Cider spurs
Sorry Guyver I was talking about us in the CC, sorry getting confused as coopsie was talking i thought mainly about the CC. In this case you could say Arsenal didnt play well against Villa and Villa beat them, Arsenal didnt play well against us and they beat us. Arsenal then bought Ozil and everything has dropped very nicely into place for them.
tophobunty3
are you serious Yiddy? you really think it makes no difference to your chance of winning based on the quality of team you play? i think this is turning into the usual wind up. What's all this betting and betting odds about then?.....oh i am really liking this today.....
tophobunty3
Has there ever being a team in England, PL or old First Division with 9 new players (7 + 2 loanees) that entertained and gained respectable points in the first season? My memory isn't brilliant, is there someone out there with better memory?
ItalianYiddo
Cider, I agree with your view on Holtby. He needs to be a deep lying CMF beside either of Sandro or Capoue, one of whom should be in the lineup every game. To my mnd, Paulinho, Dembele and Holtby should be in consideration for the spot depending on the opposition, tactics and the players ahead of them. Holtby works hard and has the ability to distribute the ball all over the pitch. dembele is much more a glide forward type of player who will hopefully start getting the ball off earlier and getting in to more shooting opportunities. Paulinho has the ability to run all day, has a nose for goal and makes awesone runs. At speed, he is the best of the three. At slower pace, Dembele's skills work best. Holtby is kind of an in-between player. As I expect whoeveris in the lineup beside either Sandro or Capoue to do the most running, they are the players that really ought to be subbed every game to avoid burnout. It also changes up what the opposition sees as all three effect games differently. We have lots of options. We need to perhaps be a little more clinical with how we use the options. Then again, we really have no had all hands on deck yet this season, so we have been using less than optimal pairings, IMO. COYS
peterballb
Cider you forget that we have lost twice as many games as 33% of the other top four teams and equally 1/3 of the other top four teams have drawn 0.5 the number of games we have. Based on these figures we're only half as good as a quater of the top four teams but there is a 20% margin of error in my calculations.
Slurms McKenzie
Topho - Of course on paper a fixture against Norwich at home is more advantageous than an away trip to Old Trafford, but could you first tell me what you'd expect from these results and then provide the FACTS from last season?
You will no doubt say we lost to Norwich and that cost us the CL spot, yet we got 3 points from a fixture where we have never won. You really don't need to be that clever to understand what I'm saying.

If we collate enough points to get CL football it really doesn't make a difference where you earned those points.
yiddyboy
topho..No apologies required for being ambitious mate, and to an extent i can agree with your thought process of Managers instilling this mindset into the players. I however would prefer the old "you've got to want it enough" as opposed to "expect". Are we really considered at the level where we can expect to win matches?.

I agree, i won't hide, on paper there are certain games you'd like to think we'd win, but i've long sussed out that it does not always pan out like this. As the season progresses it will allow us to get a clearer picture of what we have achieved and whether the results reflect this by way of league positions and goals for and against etc. Two elements of this currently have to be factored in at present, firstly we are only 10 games in, do we really know who our biggest competition will be next May?, we all most probably have the same ideas on this score, but only as a result of history, but that will not decide who is easy and who is hard this season. Secondly, to judge whether we have had easy or hard games, surely players have a say in this scenario?, again after 10 games some of our games have looked like a slog for us, will this be the case after 38?. Too early to judge. We could get all our players bang on it in the next few weeks and go and win every game until the season ends. That would surely equate to the first 10 fixtures based on results and performance looking like they were the harder ones.
Cider spurs
ItalianYiddo, hope all is well. As Arsene Wenger said, any more than a couple of changes causes too much distraction within the squad regardless of the talent of the players coming in. What we have accomplished over the last two windows has been nothing short of agressive change. Going forward, I expect more tinkering rather than change. Yes, I do think that players like Friedel, Gomes, Defoe, Adebayor, BAE will leave (Gomes, Friedel, BAE are all out of contract in June), but we already have Archer, Rose in tow, so the additions will have time to bed in and earn their positions. If Adebayor goes, I could see Hulk coming in or Pato or another striker. I have liked what Kane offers as a sub. Each time out there he looks to be more and more involved, but we do need someone who is proper competition for Soldado. I would not be surprised if the Coentrao loan rumours have some meat to them. Get CL, and that likely becomes permanent. We'll see. Whoever comes in needs to be able to push a starte for their time on the pitch. Anything less is no longer good enough. COYS
peterballb
Peterballb, I think the holding midfield and the deep lying midfielder playing together is what is stiffling our attacking ability. There are only a few teams in the league that we should really have to worry about playing two holding or deep lying midfielders against. Play Either Sandro or Capoue as your Defensive midfielder. Push Paulinho and Dembele (or Holtby and Eriksen) further forward and play any of Lamela, Townsend, Lennon Siggy out wide with your lone stirker of Soldado or Defoe in the box. By playing two cm further forward we will then have more runs into the box, keep our wingers out side to cross or give and go and still have your striker running the channels converting secondary chances and pulling defenders out of positions.
Slurms McKenzie
Have no idea Italian, but in the Prem team, we are not intergrating 9 new players i thought, but like yourself my memory aint the best neither.
Ossie
Italian you are fully loaded today are you not.....Yiddy it was on the pitch to, bet365 dont only look at paper do they? what about historical evidence? We didnt lose to norwich lasty season in the league. it doesnt make a difference where the points come from yiddy, but that is not what is being discussed here. is it easier to beat united or norwich city?
tophobunty3
On last season's performance I have to say United. Next question please ;-)
yiddyboy
James1 - G.O.T = Brilliant viewing, can't wait for the next series. We've got S.H.I.E.L.D on series link, but don't like to watch things until at least 1 season has ended, we're too impatient to wait a whole week for the next episode. 24 was something we started to watch, but my wife couldn't get into it (found it too far fetched because of what happens in the space of 24 hours).. You're right about HD, I can't watch standard definition anymore. I'll suggest Band of Brothers to my wife, we're always up for giving new things a go, thanks mate. If you have't seen any of the series I mentioned, you should give them a go, mate. ALL extremely good viewing, in our opinion :-)
coopsieyid
What odds did Bet365 give you when Spurs were 3-0 up at home to united in 2001? Did you put your left sack on that and are you now enjoying you well earned early retirement??
yiddyboy
Topho possibly United suffere dthe same kind of collective brain fart we suffered against Norwich, ie Oh they're a lesser team then us, we always beat them, we only have to turn up and be award the three points. I'm kinda of with Cider on this one, we're not so good or so big that we should expect other teams to just roll over for us and that mentality should be stamped out of our thinking post haste!
Slurms McKenzie
Peter, what I see at the moment is a bunch of strangers playing together, there was an instance last night when Lamela expected a return ball from Kaboul having made a run, it didn't come and the look in Lamela's eyes said it all. Only time and games can overcome this, you have to be pretty naive to expect much else.
ItalianYiddo
You could always give the Irish version of the The Wire a go Coopsie: Love/Hate is getting rave reviews, season four is just about to finish on Irish TV and the rights have been purchased by an american production company so expect a dumbed down and butchered american verison in about 18 months.
Slurms McKenzie
There are no easy games, home games SHOULD be easier as the support (12th Man) can help immensely, although at Spurs right now the opposite seems to be more true.
yiddyboy
Yiddy i don't know what kind of pay out you get if you bet with a single testicle and half a scrotum but my guess is no matter what the odds you couldn't retire on the return?
Slurms McKenzie
And if you invert an inverted winger do they just disappear?
Slurms McKenzie
Cider if we are not at that level we should give up now, of course we can we have not finished lower then 5th for a few years now, we need to be hard with our ambition or stagnate, i investment of the board has not stagnated, theye didnt need to spend some much of the Bale money did they? they chose to, that's ambition..........................Slurms who is saying just turn up and win? I am not. who said we should expect teams to roll over? I didnt...........Yiddyboy, you found the needle in the hay stack well done, some "arguments" on this place are just that.....
tophobunty3
On an other point if you invert a winger do they not become a CM'er?
Slurms McKenzie
ItalianYiddo....i think i have a better memory.....I just can't remember.
Cider spurs
Bunty - I'm guessing you didn't read the part of my post that stated, "I've seen excellent reviews but it's always good to get someone elses opinion"?. Well first off, why the ***** would I go onto IMDB & see loads of 'spoilers'? Secondly, practice what you *****ing well preach & stop attempting to police the site. I understand you not liking the fact that there are actually people that can get along on here without needing to be a dick, like you and your buddy BigC, but *****ing well deal with it. Failing that, follow another piece of your own advice & ignore my posts if you don't like what's in them. "Guys, quick, all step up Wire reviews requested...trot along."..... Patronise me (and anyone else) once more you *****ing **** & this place will just become a war zone again, and it'll be absolutely no surprise to anyone that you're slap bang in the middle of it!! People give you the benefit of doubt, only for you to be unable to resist proving what a monumental *****ing knob you are. Note I said "are", not "have", unless we're talking about the one on your *****ing head!!

Slurms - That decides it then, I can't wait to watch it :-)
coopsieyid
If you invert a defender do they become a forward?
Slurms McKenzie
My memory was really good till I lost, if only I could remember where I lost it!
ItalianYiddo
Sorry topho I was responding to an open question you posed to Yiddy, I never suggested you claimed we can just turn up and win. If you invert a raw nerve does it become a cooked nerve?
Slurms McKenzie
If you invert a goal-keeper do they walk around on their hands?
Slurms McKenzie
Coopsie best / worst decision of your life!
Slurms McKenzie
I you invert Navan is it still navan?
Slurms McKenzie
dark - Idris Elba is in 'The Wire'? Even better, Gooner or not, he was bloody excellent in Luthor. By the way, apparently they're making a film of Luthor, should be good if it happens :-)
coopsieyid
Topho - Not the needle in the haystack at all, I backing up your nonsense with a fact that proves it invalid. If the odds are the only reliable source of information that is always right then why on earth did Daniel Levy spend £100m on new faces as bet365 didn't have us as top 4 material, or at least there odds didn't put us in the top 4. So we are all wasting our time, watching and supporting Spurs because bet365 says so. Just have a read through my previous posts and accept me opinion. I don't have time to fight and argue as I have a wife and kids to go home to now. On paper and odds are based on historic stats and as previously discussed on this or another post stats need to be taken with context.
yiddyboy
peter...I hope we do not sign Hulk. he is a powerful player admitted, but we have a few already capable of hitting row Z, followed by the odd Worldie.
Cider spurs
Coopsie after watching The Wire I nearly fell out of my standing when I discovered Idris Elba was actually English! The man is a chameleon.
Slurms McKenzie
If you invert Slurms does small change fall out of his pockets?
Slurms McKenzie
Italian what i see at the moment is a hugely talented squad with a manager struggling at the moment to get the mix correct and the best from what he has at his disposal. Maybe he will get there ir maybe he will remain quite so risk adverse and we will stay as we are.......................Coopsie I guess the ******* were a series on abusive words? I get along with quite a few people on here, you might miss that, the fact we have never recovered from the original totally un called for rant from you to I is something I have failed to help you out with.....ps the Luther film will happen, I have a source....try not to be so abusive by the way.
tophobunty3
Anyone in the east stand yesterday would have clearly seen how relieved and happy Lamela was after his goal, done wonders for the kid and I duly sang his name with the odd arges that for some reason were sitting near me.

I don't get any negativity shown towards Defoe today, you guys are tw4ts. He has become our 5th top goal scorer of all time, now holds the record of top European goal scorer ever and all this from a Squad player. Ask yourselves this, if he had started 9 prem games and taken all our penalties do you reckon he'd only have 4 goals,, I'd put a lot of money on 7+.
T.H.F.Chris
Currently we're 5% better then City.
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms....Put the calculator down lad. Step away...She's gonna blow.
Cider spurs
But over a full season we're only a maxium of 0.87% better then City.
Slurms McKenzie
T.H.F...tw4ts are useful. ;-)
Cider spurs
I voted for Kane as MOTM just to Fork with the poll because some people take it far too seriously. But the 5% that voted for Friedel are just mad in the head. By my calculations based on my vote for Kane: 5 people are mad in the head on this site and nine other members need to go to an optician because they have a massive blind spot on their wide right...
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms - Thanks again, mate. I'll download, I mean I'll go out & buy Love/Hate.
coopsieyid
ItalianYiddo, there is no doubt that the players are still deeloping understandings. The looks Vertoghen and Soldado shot Walker and Townsend against Everton were clear indications of that. Soldado has checked his runs numerous times to be open in the pocket, yet poor angled shots or crosses to no one were the result. It takes time. I don't think that Walker should be having the issues he does. Townsend is young, and to be fair, has shown vast improvements in decision-making though there is still a ways to go. Any 4 of Chadli, Townsend, Lamela, Eriksen and Soldado probably reflects our best options up top, but the reality is we need the experience and results of Lennon and Siurdsson until all of the others are on the same page. It is going to take time. I still expect it to look vastly different in terms of fluidity by the New Year. Until then, hopefully the players grow together and we continue to gain results while staying in the hunt and in all 4 competitions. Best Spurs squad I can remember, top to bottom. COYS
peterballb
Cider only in certain situations...
Slurms McKenzie
Cider and/or Slurms, where can I buy a calculator that will do that? That's a Christmas present that'd go down a treat ;-)
darkenvai
why is it nonesense to suggest that you should expect any games in any football league to be harder to win against teams nearer the top than the bottom? please explain yiddy. where is an argument in that statement? that is all i am saying here. ...Cider with you NO to Hulk.....THF you make a fair point ref Defoe
tophobunty3
Cider it was an affectionate 'tw4ts', they are still all spurs fans.
T.H.F.Chris
Coopsie as long as revenue get their fair share I don't mind how you obtain a copy ,remember for every £1 of VAT you pay an MP gets a massive retirement package...
Slurms McKenzie
Darkenvai, they have their pluses and minuses you know...but they all add up.
Slurms McKenzie
......love the way people are arguing over the wire on here, you are the reason I don't work...
T.H.F.Chris
T.H.F - some are arguing over The Wire and others are sitting on the fence...
Slurms McKenzie
T.H.F....Affection ?. On this site lately.....you leave the drinking to me. ;-)
Cider spurs
I always expect to win!! Probably some hope in there too and some optimism, but ... I can't imagine watching a game without expecting to win even if it's only 'we can win IF we play at our best!'. But then, experience as a Spurs supporter, tells me that anything can happen. Slurms - I think you have a very advanced grasp of the 'Inverted Play' theory. lol
Geofspurs
peter..."deeloping" = Deers sh4gging.
Cider spurs
Just a quick 'thank you' to the grown-ups who answered my earlier harmless question.
coopsieyid
Your welcome Coopsie but I think my previous posts prove that you're stretching the truth alot with your use of the term "grown-up"
Slurms McKenzie
I wait to the january sales to buy my calculators....fraction of the cost.
Cider spurs
Cider I'm not surprised the Bucks are so horny...
Slurms McKenzie
Cider thats one big plus...
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms Im going it say that to people in the pub tonight, no logic behind it just 'some people...........'
T.H.F.Chris
How many times are we going to continue with calculator related posts?. ;-)
Cider spurs
Slurms - that figures
darkenvai
I think we need a new thread now, things took a turn for the worst and have never recovered.
Ossie
Multiples Cider, I've been dividing my time between coming up with additional puns and trying to square away the inverted rule... I can't just turn it on and off...
Slurms McKenzie
LOL Dark! the simple ones are the best!
Slurms McKenzie
I would like to see a new poll, The Wire v Sopranos. Just remember though Sopranos is great, Luther is a f4ggort arsenal loving c7nt and James Gandolfini will f6(k you in your sleep if you vote wire. x
T.H.F.Chris
T.H.F the trick would be to use it at the most random oppurtunity as possible for maximum effect!
Slurms McKenzie
T.H.F surely you would have a self inflicted fornicating accident in your sleep while James Gandolfinin would have an air tight alibi for the night in question if you voted for The Wire?
Slurms McKenzie
Cider, what's your problem?! It's not all of us, just a percentage! As long as it doesn't multiply too much we shouldn't let it divide us. Now, do you think your equal to the task?
darkenvai
Dark you can count on it...
Slurms McKenzie
Yes Dark I think you summed it up there...
Slurms McKenzie
Slurms trust I know how to use it,, defo a chat up line, I'll either just nod, or walk away after ...I'll let you know the results post Newcastle.
T.H.F.Chris
For those who are new to the forum, people going off on tangents like this is a sine of what you can expect if you hang around.
darkenvai
I was trying to think of more calculator puns but my memory re-call wouldn't function...
Slurms McKenzie
Dark - Just be Cos...
Slurms McKenzie
THF I'm hoping for maximum points from tonight and Sunday so!
Slurms McKenzie
Okay, for the sake of those on smartphones, I think we should stop. Having to scroll down through this nonsense is a real minus
darkenvai
Hahaha - Slurms you just keep giving, on fire mate
T.H.F.Chris
Dark, now your going to TRIG-ger some advanced maths puns...Is that your angle?
Slurms McKenzie
Dark I'm sensing some divided loyalitys, i don't want to take anything away from your last post but I had to make the point!
Slurms McKenzie
I would never be so obtuse! How dare you suggest such a thing
darkenvai
I can't believe the multiple puns you guys keeping coming up with.
T.H.F.Chris
Can we sum this up soon?
Slurms McKenzie
Yea T.H.F. they keep re-curring. I'm wondering what the remainder will be like!
Slurms McKenzie
I am fairly new here but I reckon I am pressing the right buttons to be considered an equal and a good addition to all this madness.
Kong
Getting back on track though I think our plus and minus goal difference should be vastly improved after Newcastle this Sunday.
T.H.F.Chris
darks a square !!, darks a square!!.
Cider spurs
Oh !! The joys of the end of the working week and all things calculator related. 'Bout sums it up i feel.
Cider spurs
Kong first you have to figure out the right angle to take and then calculate are you opposite or adjacent to the rest of use to not do thsi would be a Sin. But don't worry its easy as Pi.
Slurms McKenzie
I never did well in maths, from day one I struggled, I remember a teacher asking what "x" was and to show how I worked it out. I said it was a kiss and I knew this because my aunt signed all her cards to me with them...
Slurms McKenzie
Right, 5 O'clock equals home time. Peace out Spurs fans. I'll see you all on twenty three points next week...
Slurms McKenzie
TH²
T.H.F.Chris
1,2,3...back in the room. Right then, what are we all hoping for eesult wise when Arsenal and Utd meet this Sunday?. both of them losing does not count ( sorry Slurms ).
Cider spurs
Draw is the ideal overall result, but there're positives to be found in any result. Except for us not picking up all 3pts, of course.
darkenvai
We'll finsih on that one Cider, well played!
Slurms McKenzie
Cider for the first time ever its definitely a Utd win, normally a draw would be good but you need arsenal to slip up and lose some confidence, 3rd place for us won't feel good if they keep going the way they are.
T.H.F.Chris
To be honest I think a united defeat (I just can bring myself to type the corollory of that statement) would be the best result as it would more or less take them out of the running for top four, assuming we pick up three points we would be no worse off. The sooner we can cut other top four rivals adrift the sooner we can focus on climbing the table knowing Champs League spot is safe.
Slurms McKenzie
It's not a calculator pun but has Harry Kane been voting for himself on our poll again...
T.H.F.Chris
T.H.F that was me and here is why: I voted for Kane as MOTM just to Fork with the poll because some people take it far too seriously. But the 5% that voted for Friedel are just mad in the head. By my calculations based on my vote for Kane: 5 people are mad in the head on this site and nine other members need to go to an optician because they have a massive blind spot on their wide right... Slurms McKenzie
Slurms McKenzie
An Arsenal and Spurs win would see anice little gap appear between ourselves and Utd. however it would mean Arsenal maintaining there advantage over us. I 'm not sure which scenario would suit me best. If it were not Arsenal at the top and any other team, i'd most probably say that let's hope for a widening gap between ourselves and Utd. Try and take a rival out of the equation.
Cider spurs
Slurms..You posted as i was writing. Agree totally. But le arse...UGH!!!!!!.
Cider spurs
The opptomist would say a United win because we'll beat united home and away so the gap to Arsenal closes and we open up the gap to united ourselves. But the realist in me says United to loose and the long Season to catch up with Arsenal, the lack of fear of being caught by unoted means we play a more attackign brand of football, plus our fully gelled squad to take all three points of the gooners later in the season. No wait which one is the optomist again?
Slurms McKenzie
A draw would be the ideal result for Spurs, a good United win will be the ideal result for me.
Ossie
Slurms I would have been content if you just said it was you, good to hear the madness that goes on in your head though mate.
T.H.F.Chris
Quality banter (above) guys, nice one & EXACTLY (in my opinion) what this site should be like. It's certainly how it was years ago, before people were driven away for whatever reason. It happened yesterday too, it was awesome then aswell, and I hope for more in the future. Everything is fine on here until..............................

Take care (most) guys, chat more soon. COYS
coopsieyid
Catch you later coopsieyid. COYS!
James1
Looking forward to OhVey's Matchday article. Newcastle not doing too badly on the scoring front and on a high after beating Chelsea. Defensively it appears they are struggling. Colocini is nearing a return and may feature tho'. Could make for a very interesting game.
Cider spurs
First Spurs tweet i read this morning. Thought it was good...Sing along..."Everywhere you go..always take Lamela with you.... Everywhere you go... always take Lamela.

Everywhere you go... always take Lamela with you...everywhere you go...always take Lamela".
Cider spurs
Lamela to the tune of 'Delila' ....instead of why, why why delila.....Score, score, score, lamela.....or something to the tune of 'that's amore'...although we should have something a little more 'current'...
shedboy2
I like that shed..When Lamela hits the net, that's amore, that'amore.....
ItalianYiddo
I am happy with Thursday's performance and happy for Lamela. The player is just a kid really and one in a completely different country and lifestyle. He has his family and that should help him along but we saw his ability last night and he is going to become a great player just needs time.

I thin he is well ahead of Townsend and I hate to say it lennon in technique and footballing brain but imo Lennon has the most experience in terms of the PL and is still the one to do a job at the moment as lamela is still adjusting and Townsend as much as he has improved I still query his decision making and his ability as a team player. He shoots a lot and many of them don't make goals, or on target enough to work the GK or get us a corner. He doesn't get into the area when the ball is coming from the other side and he doesn't create enough with through balls and one two passing. Whereas lamela I believe will do all of that in time, so Townsend needs to keep working hard. Lennon is great at bringing the ball down, taking players out of the game and using his pace wisely and the best at helping out defensively. So in all three players we have a mixed bag of quality but imo I think one of them needs to be a LW player to compete with Chadli and imo Townsend would be better working at that position, getting past his man going on the outside and crossing the ball in but he seemed reluctant to do that when put on the left. I think Lamela and Lennon RW and Chadli andTownsend LW to all fight it out so imo Townsend is the one to look at changing his game, becoming a team player and using that left foot to cross into the box from the left rather than shoot from the right.

The number 10 role should be Eriksen's once he settles with Siggy and Holtby doing a job there as back up but both of them also backing up in more deeper positions. This leaves our strike force. There will be changes next season that I am sure, in January I don't know I guess much depends on Ade staying or going. We are doing much better but there is still more work to be done before we see a fluent style of play imo and a lot depends on Eriksen imo and the other players ability to find the striker who ever that is to be at any given time.
WorldPeace
 

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