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The Adaptable Player

There seems to be a pattern developing with Jan Vertonghen playing at left back.

When he goes there for more than a couple of games a story appears in the press where he explains that he isn't a left back and is determined to play as a centre half. This has happened a few times now. Its as if he's just reminding AVB that while he's prepared to play there in an emergency he's not happy about it.

While you can talk about the team coming first etc there is an obvious responsibility on the management here, how is it we don't have adequate cover at left back? There is also the counter intuitive point that players can actually be penalised for their adaptability. Jan is the best centre back we have, yet he is the one who has to play out of position. Its like in some companies, rather than the most capable workers being rewarded for their competence they are given the worst jobs because their less capable colleagues couldn't handle them.

In football this goes back a long way, The Don Revie Leeds team included Paul Madely, who seems to have been able to play anywhere in defence or midfield. All that meant was he could never make any position his own. Some players don't worry about this, Gary Mabbut was another who seemed to be able to play anywhere and changing positions never seemed to bother him. But these days many are well aware that flexibility can count against them.

My worry is that at some point Jan's patience will run out. If he reaches the conclusion he's not going to be playing regularly in his preferred position with us then there are plenty of clubs that would be happy to employ him there. So AVB, please, you messed up with the left back position, so one way or another sort it out in January.

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Writer:jod
Date:Friday November 8 2013
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Leighton Baines....f6(k man Utd
T.H.F.Chris
08/11/2013 17:12:00
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Clearly we have a proper LB in Rose, Fryers ot he way up but both are injured. Jan argueably a better LB then both of them let alone CB. I find it odd that a player would consistently moan about playing regular football.Defoe is whinging because he's got getting enough game time and Verts is complaining even though he plays nearly every game? Is he really making these comments or is it lazy journos dredging up the same tired old qoutes? Thanks for the new thread Jod.
Slurms McKenzie
08/11/2013 17:13:00
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Jod, he doesnt want to play there and BCN want him as a centre back. I guess the solution is obvious. stop playing him there
tophobunty3
08/11/2013 17:17:00
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Thank god for a new thread, Yes the LB position is a problem, Im sure it will get sorted in Jan, but not sure who, can't see Coentrao, as he's geeting game time in Madrid, nor Baines as he's United bound, and altho United not having the best tme, I dont think we can complete with them for players.
Ossie
08/11/2013 17:18:00
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Topho, Im pretty sure if Barca want him, then there's nothing we can do to stop himfrom going there.
Ossie
08/11/2013 17:19:00
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He is making the comments Slurms but, of course, he isn't seeking out people to complain, he's made statements that it is frustrating playing out of position. I feel for him personally, he is so talented it shouldn't be a question. Let's hope that Coentrao can be signed on loan so we can have him and Vlad/Kaboul starting... Daws to be the one that drops out
Dan Mac
08/11/2013 17:21:00
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Baines ain't worth the money United are going to have to lay down to secure his services. But why not make an offer, united pi$$ed off everton by forking around with their pittance of an offer for him and Bouffant Betty
Slurms McKenzie
08/11/2013 17:22:00
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dan I read it more of him again reminding spurs that they need to invest in a LB, I'm sure he would be equally frustrated if we were playing siggy as our stand in LB and he was being roasted in every game?
Slurms McKenzie
08/11/2013 17:23:00
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This is very true Ossie, I think if we dont get top4 this year he will be off. But for now he is sublime. I would have played Fryers there though esp against some of the lesser teams we have played in the league, he might step up given the chance, as Rose did at the start of the season
tophobunty3
08/11/2013 17:26:00
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Rose will be back after the break, no doubt, as will Fryers. Naughton is nowhere near as bad as some on here make out. OK, predominantly right-footed, but he did deliver a quality left-footed cross yesterday and seemed to link up really well with Lamela. In 9 his appearances, we are 7-1-1 having 6 clean sheets. He has made one awful back pass (which I still suspect was meant for Vertonghen and not Lloris) but other than that has played it fairly tight offering up 2 assists. Nothing legendary, but like Sigurdsson, is being asked to play out of position and is contributing. That's one more assist than Walker and Townsend combined in about 1/5th the time on the pitch.

BAE was not fit and is out of contract at year's end. He is very unlikely to be the future so that is not where we should be looking. Coentrao loan in January seems a wise idea. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 17:28:00
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Any time a player can ink a salary that is double or triple what we could pay, they will be at risk to leave. Unfortunately, that's the way it goes. Having CL will have an effect, but nowhere near the end effect of money. Bale was going whether we were in the CL or not, whether we invested heavily in new players or not. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 17:32:00
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Question, assuming it's ok with the new site moderator. I mean this in the nicest possible way, if people are so glad/relieved to have a new thread, it insinuates that they had had enough of the old one, fair comment? So if this new thread is such a relief, why did those people not submit a new thread themselves? Honestly, genuine question & I'm sure, no CERTAIN, that Ox would be grateful for any new submissions.
coopsieyid
08/11/2013 17:33:00
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As for the topic, as good as Vertonghen is, he is a bloody pro footballer, so he should respect the fact that his manager is asking him to do the team a favour whilst one of our players is missing through injury. I'm with Slurms on this one. The guy is playing, so he has much less to moan about than others, not that I believe he's moaning anyway.
coopsieyid
08/11/2013 17:35:00
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Vertonghen's problem is that he has been moved about for Belgium too. Just because he can play there, does not mean that he wants to.
TonyRich
08/11/2013 17:37:00
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I think we'll address the LB issue in January. Yes Verts is an exceptional CB, a very able LB also. Whilst it is great to be afforded your preferred position, at times you've got to play for the team. If that means out of position then so be it. If verts then gets p/$$ed off and wants to leave as a result, then do i really want a player who thinks only of himself as opposed to the team playing for my club. I'd slightly understand if as of yet he had no chance of showcasing his talents, however he has and we all know how well he performs in the CB role. It's good to want to concentrate on one role of your game in one position, Is there ulterior motives though?, really excel at CB and see who comes calling. Is this the real issue?.
Cider spurs
08/11/2013 17:39:00
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Cos I cant be bothered to write a new thread Coopsie, Im content to let other write and I join in the discussion about Spurs!!
Ossie
08/11/2013 17:39:00
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And, for the love of all things holy, could somebody please tell me why the Business Consultancy Network would want Vertonghen as a centre back?
coopsieyid
08/11/2013 17:42:00
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Amazing! we have a perfectly adequate LB playing down the road for QPR - the solution is obvious get him back at WHL he is our player. In my humble opinion he is far better than Rose or Fryers anyway! Sign Coentrao in the next window if possible, he would be great for us.
Aribak
08/11/2013 17:42:00
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Now thats funny Coopsie!!!!
Ossie
08/11/2013 17:44:00
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coops...REF: Writing articles. I wish more would take up the gauntlet. I think many have a witty sense of humour and could constuct some very good articles indeed.
Cider spurs
08/11/2013 17:44:00
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Considering Chiriches can play LCB and RCB. Would it be a step too far and suggest he could also play LB. Article out there yesterday displaying how adept he is at switching play from Right to Left and vice versa. In fact, was it not you coops that put a link up?.
Cider spurs
08/11/2013 17:55:00
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again it's media ***** stirring and Jod makes a Story out of it on here as if it's creditablewhat a tosser, is JV going to boycott the belgian national team as well? because he's currently their left back too! get a life and read a grown ups newspaper not the sun.
jabbatheyid
08/11/2013 18:10:00
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Well I reckon you'd be able to come up with an excellent article, Ossie, for what it's worth, sir.

Cider - Yeah mate I'm afraid that was me.
coopsieyid
08/11/2013 18:18:00
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vertonghen is a great pro and will play where asked, however what he doesn't want is to either no longer be first choice CB because someone else settles there wheel he is playing LB or to generally be saddled with LB long term just because he is very good there too. I have no problem with him reminding AVB that CB is his position and I hope that he remains first choice there when rose is back or others brought in. He remains one of my favourite players
Guernman
08/11/2013 18:20:00
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Although rather strongly worded, jabba does pretty much say it all. It's almost certainly guaranteed that this story is a rehash of last seasons interview with Jan, in which he stated he doesn't mind playing left back, but would prefer centre-back because the pace and athleticism of wingers in the PL is too much for him to handle each week.
coopsieyid
08/11/2013 18:21:00
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As a long-term LB option I would stump the 7M GBP and get Umititi who can play as LB or as CB. Just means more cover. BAE is gone at the end of the year (as is Gomes) so I don't see the point in having him back. Last season Naughton was often preferred to BAE, which does not bode well for BAE. He, by his own admission, was not fit in the summer. He was only fit mid-September. 30, out of contract and does not get up and down the flank as AVB expects. Capoue on loan in January or get Umtiti. Both would assist us better going forward than any of Rose, Fryers or Naughton, although Rose does have the tools. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 18:23:00
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Peter, typo? "Capoue on loan", or did you mean his older brother, Aurélien, who plays in midfield?
coopsieyid
08/11/2013 18:37:00
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If we want to solve our goal scoring problems with Soldado, we should go all out for Baines. He will supply at least 2 or 3 goal scoring crosses each game. He is the best left foot crosser of the ball in the prem league. Oh, and he can also defend. The way that he plays would be the icing on the cake in our team. I truly think he would make us title contenders, not because he is the best player or defender in the prem, but his game is exactly what we need. Crossing just as good as Bale, will score from free kicks and get his fair share of goals. I would be delighted if we spent 15m on him.
vicspur
08/11/2013 19:05:00
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Coopsie, no I meant Coentrao. Big oops. Would not send Capoue anywhere but in to our MF. He and Sandro are beasts. I love how they both play. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 19:07:00
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vicspur, the issue is, he will cost a lot, has already lost half a step and will be getting his last big contract. Fabulous dead ball striker thogh and yes he can still defend. Not getting any younger hough and he is Everton'smost influential player. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 19:09:00
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Utility player....Holtby!...i wonder if he can play LB? i suspect he could. Naughton's not bad, he just doesn't suit the system on the left (I must have missed his one excellent delivery!)....Rose imo has potential but he's the same age as Walker and not nearly as good...yet Walker gets slaughtered on here. Fryers isn't up to standard yet...so yes LB IS a problem, Coentrao would be ideal...but you feel if the deal were to happen it should have already been done....there were murmurings of Ben davies from Swans who could compete with rose for 1st choice....
shedboy2
08/11/2013 19:14:00
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Peter, I agree, he is not the right age, but nor is Soldado, but like Soldado, he is right for now. Yes, he will probably be stupid money, and the chances of us getting him are next to zero, but he would be the ideal player to have at left back and hopefully allow Friers to develop into something special.
vicspur
08/11/2013 19:27:00
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There is talk of real madrid hoping to sign Napoli LB Zuniga paving the way for us to try and sign the £12 million rated player (£25 million on some sites LMFAO). Zuniga only made 6 starts this season, question being, why don't we just sign him?, after all RM are rarely linked with duds.
Cider spurs
08/11/2013 19:30:00
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shedboy2, Naughton has had many excellent deliveries as the stats bear out. The fact is there was a very useful cross yesterday, left-footed, which seems to show he does have that in him. 2 assists in 9 appearances for a FB is not bad, even bettr when out of position is factored in. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 19:30:00
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Coops you ask why people don't write articles then you praise jabba who called Jod - the author - a 'tosser',,, could understand if he called him a banker, at least that would have kept in with the calculator puns.
T.H.F.Chris
08/11/2013 19:31:00
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*£12 million rated player Coentrao*
Cider spurs
08/11/2013 19:32:00
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I'm glad Vertonghen doesn't like playing left back, he is amense at CB. Also he is not quite quick enough to play on the wing when we have inverted wingers in front of him. Left back is really an area we have to improve on and Danny Rose has until January to get fit and become a a top 4 player or be replaced.
T.H.F.Chris
08/11/2013 19:36:00
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****Itv 4 +1 has highlights of Europa league, spurs not been on yet (19:37)
T.H.F.Chris
08/11/2013 19:37:00
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Peter- not sure why you are trying to gloss over the problem at LB...was the one excellent left footed cross the one that hit the defender and went for a corner?...as i said on another thread...you would have to be watching on radio not to see the problem and Naughton playing within himself and just not using the width, it's so obvious it's painful that it's even questioned....as for stats didn't AVB say something along the lines of 'you could talk stats all day and still not agree'....
shedboy2
08/11/2013 19:41:00
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vicspur, I think Rose has performed well. Baines would be ideal now, but it would be a matter of diminishing returns and at a huge cost initially. Everton chose to cash in on Fellaini and hold on to Baines. Unless they believe they have no chance at top 6 for the next 3-5 years, I cannot see them cashing in. Umtiti for me. Wages will be less than BAE's and 7M is a fair price for a very talented and fit 19 year old. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 19:44:00
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It could be that Man U are interested in both Baines and Coentrao.... I also think Baines would be perfect for Spurs and, surely he has at least 3 or more good years left in him. However Coentrao is only 25, also very good on the wing and probably a lot cheaper. United can have Leighton and we get Coentrao. I'd be happy with that......
MAN ON!
08/11/2013 19:47:00
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shedboy2, he is a player playing out of position. I am not blind. I would rather he play at RB to get Walker back down to earth. 2 assists is not a joke stat in 9 appearances. He does make a high percentage of passes and is, contrary to what some suggest, doing his bit in keeping clean sheets. I would rather have Coentrao, Rose, Umtiti there. Fryers is not ready. Thus the best for now is Naughton or Vertonghen, who, we will all agree, is a better CB. I am not glossing it over. I am much more concerned about the lack of useful crosses from our wingers and the lack of service to a strker who needs service. A Lloris injury also stacks up way higher on my list of worries than Naughton at LB. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 19:49:00
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get in there Peter, the meter is running....coopsie thats funny, you are in wire, sorry fire.....Cider please no Chiriches at LB, lets play a left back there, it might be a bit radicle but its only an idea i had...naughton is not a left back and never will be, can we see how many of the top six play a right back at left back...i think the number will be 1 and it sucks, who is the 1?
tophobunty3
08/11/2013 20:02:00
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I'm hopeing we continue with Lamela on the right vs Newcastle. (I would put Lennon on the bench). Townsend on the left...either Left back or Offensive left side. Vertonghen...Kaboul...Dawson...Walker....I feel Vertonghen would love playing behind Townsend.
82spursdebut
08/11/2013 20:04:00
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topho..At no point would i want Vlad there as a first or second choice option. I just wondered whether we thought it was seen as an option as opposed to ...let's say Naughton. Both are going to narrow the pitch being Right footed, just wondered if vlad could also offer some form of cover in this position.
Cider spurs
08/11/2013 20:18:00
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82spursdebut, I would go the other way on that one. Lamela on the left with Lennon on the right. Vertionghen needs to be at CB and will probably play beside Dawson. Chiriches is possible at LB although I thought Naughton did well yesterday and would have no problem playing him. I would not play Kaboul twice in 7 days for some time. He is far too important a player. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 20:20:00
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peter- so we are pretty much in agreement that we need a LB....your concerns about width, crosses and service to the striker will all be addressed by a new one!....our system relies on the FB's making the width and supplying crosses the 'wingers' (more inside forwards) drive in on goal and provide a direct threat.....yes we need a new GK but we do have 3 more specialised GK's on the books....sucks to be us...;)
shedboy2
08/11/2013 20:22:00
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we need to solve the problem Cider that for sure
tophobunty3
08/11/2013 20:23:00
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It's ******ing stupid we've spent £100m and don't have anyone who wants or can any on the left, back or winger. Need to sort this out in January.

One thing I noticed last night is how a lot of our players are playing with no confidence. You could tell this from their change, Lemala with his goal and Eriksen with his second half shot, after that they both really wanted the ball and looked 5 times as quick as before. I'm really looking forward to when one of them become good, we will have an exciting team.
T.H.F.Chris
08/11/2013 20:25:00
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Gonna sound controversial....but If Lennon wants a crack at getting back into the England squad.....then he may be best suited to trying pastures new ...( in Jan'). He may help THFC..to acquire the monies needed for another Top striker.
82spursdebut
08/11/2013 20:30:00
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Can't help it if both rose and fryers is injured, don't think fryers would have played even if fit. Would rather have vertonghen there than naughton.
Kong
08/11/2013 20:32:00
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82 put Lennon on the right and he'll be our best winger again, no point playing him on the left.
T.H.F.Chris
08/11/2013 20:33:00
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t.H.F....I'm looking forward to when BOTH of them become good. ;-)
Cider spurs
08/11/2013 20:36:00
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T.H.F.Chris, there was no way we were going to jump in and grab just any left back. Inquiries were made about Coetrao, it did not come about. Rose and Fryers, both LB's were being brought in to the squad with Naughton and Vertonghen as emergency cover. I cannot say that Rose has done poorly (in minutes played, has supplied as many crosses as Walker and, IMO, makes far fewer mistakes deensively. Fryers does not appear ready, though some of his play has been very good. Naughton has done well for a RB forced in to playing LB, as has Vertonghen, a CB forced in to playing LB. BAE was not fit and has not been renewed. He also does not get up and down the flank as AVB desires.

Many of the left-sided issues come down to new faces and injuries. Rose, Fryers, Chadli have all been out. Lamela did not settle straight away andLennon was out. We have coped admirably well. Players should all be back after the break and we can see what AVB truly has in mind. Healthy Rose would have meant Naughton and Fryers might have gotten the odd cup start. How would other teams cope with two LB's injured and their LW out having had to sell one of the best LW in the world of football? We have done very well indeed, IMO. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 20:36:00
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He hasn't been our best winger for ages...and he never will be again. I do not say that easily.....he was once my Fav' spurs player.
82spursdebut
08/11/2013 20:38:00
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82spursdebut- I have a lot of time for lennon...has been unplayable on the right before but like 442 is dead to AVB I can't help feeling so are wingers in the traditional sense...I wouldn't be surprised to see lennon go in the summer...it'll be lennon or Townsend as we now have 3 for the right forward berth...
shedboy2
08/11/2013 20:44:00
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There appears to be only one reason not to play Verts at LB....because he doesn't like it and we don't want to upset him. A sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with. However, Spurs are in the same dilemma as the Belgium national team. Both are currently blessed with outstanding CBs but no decent LB. Only Verts can play both. To be honest with Chiriches looking good, and Kaboul at last overcoming injury, Verts at LB makes for an outstanding back 4, even if Rose was fit.
jacobslad
08/11/2013 20:45:00
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82spursdebut, he is our best winger. He is a long way from being our best inverted winger. His decision-making is the opposite of Townsend's. Can spot a pass, beat a man with pace or change of pace, but ask him to shoot, fuggedaboudit. If we could splice Townsend/Lennon, we'd have one of the best RW in the world. Townsend has the tools to get there. I can't see Lennon doing it, but he can certainly get back to the level of play he showed from August 2009 until December 2009 where he was scintillating. Injury and then Harry throwing him under the bus greatly deflated him over te subsequent year. He has it in him. Will never be a great goal scorer but can certainly provide Soldado with some crosses and through balls and cut backs to work with. It is though, just a matter of time before several of Lamela, Townsend, Chadli start clicking and scoring which will render him surplus. That day is not here yet though. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 20:47:00
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I thought we were poor in the first 45 mins vs Sheriff...... I feel we missed Townsend. We wouldn't miss Lennon.
82spursdebut
08/11/2013 20:49:00
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Domenico Criscito, Alex Sandro, Andrés Guardado (who supplied Soldado) and Emiliano Insua have all been mentioned at one time or another....I'm pretty sure we know LB is a problem and just hope we have the funds to remedy it...wonder who we'll sell to fund it?....and if we get a 1st choice LB Rose can provide cover at LW....if, of course, his crossing is up to it...
shedboy2
08/11/2013 20:50:00
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82spursdebut- I didn't think we were poor 1st half...we just had no penetration down the left and relied on the right....Lamela played where Townsend was and imo played it just as well if not better than townsend (1 goal, 1 assist for the pen)...
shedboy2
08/11/2013 20:53:00
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Lennon surplus to requirement.......you could also quite easily play Walker more forward, with Naughton at rightback.
82spursdebut
08/11/2013 20:56:00
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shedboy2, there were 50M GBP available in the summer and we have not spent a farthing. There is money. The questions will be, is it the player AVB wants, does the player make us better and can they be gotten for a fair price? The effect that more additions will have on the squad also needs to be considered. At keeper, striker and LB, this is not a huge concern as all three will need change by July so it is coming, sooner or later. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 20:56:00
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I should also add that with the wages of Gomes and BAE gone and probably those of one or both of Adebayor and Defoe, there will be lots of salary space to improve without changing our salary commitments. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 20:57:00
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Lennon's defensive work is grossly underrated. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 20:58:00
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first half.....I thought we were poor....barely a decent shot. Agreed that Lamela was bright........ to excellent in the 2nd half.
82spursdebut
08/11/2013 21:00:00
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peterballb- it's been the 'company line' that we've had money to spend ever since we stopped spending money!
shedboy2
08/11/2013 21:03:00
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82 he created the most goals last season, best defensive duties and comes alive in big games - scored winners against arsenal, Liverpool and made the equaliser against Utd.
T.H.F.Chris
08/11/2013 21:04:00
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I'd say Townsends defensive work is also under rated. I'd love to keep Lennon...but just feel he needs a new challenge and THFC need to Challenge le Arse...and others for the title.....ie...find extra money for a Top striker. Defoe...is making waves....soon they will be waves goodbye. Adebayor....personally I do not feel he is good enough anymore.
82spursdebut
08/11/2013 21:06:00
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Yes, Lennon did well at the beginning of last season....but time in football is short when playing and long when not. He has been overtaken....surprised to see that happen, but that's your body for you.
82spursdebut
08/11/2013 21:11:00
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shedboy2, the only window where I recall hearing that there was an intention of a net spend was this past one. Modric funds were re-invested, but I do not recall any suggestion of a net spend. After Harry threw all of that money at Keane, Defoe, Crouch, the spending stopped and even then, it was not really spending as we either turn a small profit or a small loss. This year would not have been very different as a 50M spend was suposedly ok'd, but when the 30 plus M of the new TV money and the wage savings of sold/released players was taken in to account, the real amount was about 10M or so. Not a huge spend. Spurs continue to be run in a financially responsible fashion and, as things stand, we'd probably turn a large profit which makes me believe there is money available if the right player/deal comes along. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 21:18:00
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I have seen improvement in how Townsend tracks back, but he is a long way from being the quality that any of Lennon, Chadli, Lamela are. As I stated, he has all the tools to be a great one for Spurs and for England. It's up to him. He is not there yet. COYS
peterballb
08/11/2013 21:22:00
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Talking about adaptable players, our 'keeper is adaptable as he plays sweeper as well. Here is a nice little analysis of Hugo Lloris. It also praises AVB's attitude towards his style. .............. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24577694
chrishove123
08/11/2013 21:24:00
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vicspur I think if we are to solve our Soldado problem we have to stop our wingers cutting in and shooting on sight, mostly ineffectually or losing the ball. WHat they need to do is to supply the crosses that a true winger does, that way Soldado gets the supply he needs, we have width and we score goals and win.
chrishove123
08/11/2013 21:34:00
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Why the obsession with LBs, when our pressing problems are at the other end of the pitch. We are keeping clean sheets for fun, but have only scored 6 goals from open play in 10 games, hence our problems would appear to be at AMF or winger, to supply the front man, or perhaps we have the wrong front man for the way we wish to play. The way to win games is out score the opposition, a clean sheet only ensures you avoid defeat.
Frank
08/11/2013 22:41:00
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League Table

# Team P W D L Pts. GD
C Leicester City 38 23 12 3 81 32
2 Arsenal 38 20 11 7 71 29
3 Spurs 38 19 13 6 70 34
4 Man City 38 19 9 10 66 30
5 Man Utd 38 19 9 10 66 14
6 Southampton 38 18 9 11 63 18
7 West Ham 38 16 14 8 62 14
8 Liverpool 38 16 12 10 60 13
9 Stoke 38 14 9 15 51 -14
10 Chelsea 38 12 14 12 50 6
11 Everton 38 11 14 13 47 4
12 Swansea 38 12 11 15 47 -10
13 Watford 38 12 9 17 45 -10
14 WBA 38 10 13 15 43 -14
15 Crystal Palace 38 11 9 18 42 -12
16 AFC Bournemouth 38 11 9 18 42 -22
17 Sunderland 38 9 12 17 39 -14
R Newcastle 38 9 10 19 37 -21
R Norwich 38 9 7 22 34 -28
R Aston Villa 38 3 8 27 17 -49
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RankNamePoints
1.Sir Dick Caan252
2.80deg16minW150
3.Highgatespur144
4.Nick Real Deal139
5.meee93105
6.MAN ON!104
7.Spurfect1180
8.Real Deal73
9.Spursex69
10.Taricco the yid66