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Tottenham Hotspur vs Newcastle United

Reasons to be cheerful: Capoue is back! Kaboul is making his way back into match fitness and Lamela not only started expressing himself but he was looking for work and hungry for the ball. So what did shooting the Sherrif tell us on Thursday? We are still not sure. We have a squad jam packed with talent. Yet when we get on the pitch no matter what combination of players we use we still come away from the game not quite knowing what it is that is missing.

Question: What would we rather be? Tight at the back or more productive up front? Answer? Both!

At Everton last week once again we had 58.3% of the possession. However, even though we were seeing more of the ball and we were pushing players up and forcing Everton to play the game in their half we still did not make enough clear cut chances. 7 out of 10 attempts on goal were from outside the box. At Valencia, Soldado played up front as a lone striker and he scored 24 goals in 35 La Liga games. Apart from a missed header, Soldado only touched the ball once in the Everton 6 yard box. Soldado had fewer touches than any of the other outfield players for the entire game. Contrast that with the touch map for Lamela on Thursday. Part of the problem last Sunday was that Townsend and Lennon kept cutting inside to shoot rather than trying to cross. At times Soldado looked isolated, waiting in the middle for a ball that never came. If AVB can ask for the ball to be given to Lamela against Sheriff he should be looking to do the same with Soldado on Sunday. At present our goal threat is not coming from within the box it`s currently coming from outside the box yet, according to the Beeb, Spurs have managed more dribbles than any other team in the league this season (150).

Here are some more stats I found on the BBC Sport Web Site:



AVB picked Holtby ahead of Siggy for his defensive qualities. Holtby was given a job to do on Leighton Baines because he wanted to stop Baines building anything from the back. Tactically did AVB get it right last Sunday? You have to say yes, we got a result; more than Chelsea got when they went there. Spurs have now conceded only one goal in five away league games but we have only scored four times in those five matches, so you have to say it`s because of the way we are set up.

If Lamela can move from being a bit part player to first on the team sheet then we have a piece of the jig saw puzzle back. But, come January, we have to sort out Left Back. Verts has already told the press he doesn`t like being a "fill in" for the LB position

So what is AVB`s intention for Newcastle? We need service in the box. How do we get it? Who is the service going to come from and how do we get Soldao on the end of the ball in the 6 yard box?

Alan Pardew will no doubt do to us what everyone else has done. They will get men behind the ball when they don`t have it, they will close down the spaces in front of our man on the ball and they will hit us on the counter. Against Chelsea Newcastle were well drilled and organised at the back. Mata, Oscar and Hazard were not given room to dictate play, which meant Torres had no service up front. Sound familiar? We can expect the same tactics again from Pardew`s men on Sunday. Coloccini could be back which means Alan Pardew is facing a big decision whether he replaces one of his two in-form centre-backs Mike Williams or Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa. The Toons threat up front looks fairly potent; Remy, Ben Arfa and Gouffran have scored 11 goals out of the 14 that Toons have scored this season. However, they have let in 16!

AVB has to approach this game differently to the way we have been playing. For me Dembele should not be picked, he gives the ball away too many times because he takes one touch too much. What we need is some invention and creativity in the middle and we need to release some speed out wide. Lamela for me would be a risk worth taking. Not just because he has some speed but because he is an unknown quantity for Pardew. Does he double up on Townsend? does he double up on Lamela? Lamela has two good feet and when he comes in off the wings he causes problems in the box which will give Soldado the chance to pick up some half chances. To me Eriksen is still looking flakey. Holtby has shown that he can be both attack minded and defensive. Given that Sandro is probably not fit and Capoue is making his way back I would like to see Holtby because he covers every blade of grass and is good at retrieving lost possession. Paulinho made an instant impact when he came on against Sheriff and for me he is starting to understand the pace of the Premiership. With Townsend and Lamela swapping sides we should put Siggy in behind Soldado. Lennon could add some real spice and take on a tiring defence after 60 minutes.

We will not have Danny Rose back so no doubt Verts will play LB again and Walker on the right which means we will probably have Dawson in the middle with Chiriches; unless Kaboul is deemed as able to last at least 60 minutes.

Will it be a tight game? When is it not! Will it be a 1-0 win? Probably!

Written by OyVeh Maria




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Date:Saturday November 9 2013

Time: 1:53PM

Your Comments

10.0!
MAN ON!
If Newcastle approach this match as they did against Chelsea then yes, they'll park the bus. Chelsea dominated the first half but had little progress getting the ball forward to Torres, as you say, Oyveh.... After about an hour, confident in it still being 0-0, the Magpies stepped it up in attack but remained strong in defence. Will it be any different, them being away from home? Probably not. Remy will look to exploit our high line with balls over the top and, he's quick! I feel we have the speed and strength to deal with him.....Once again I believe an early goal for us is important so we need to go at them, at pace, from the off. It could be another tough one but I'm optimistic that we can win this comfortably. But then again, I always do. COYS!
MAN ON!
.....always am
MAN ON!
....Soldado hat-trick?
MAN ON!
I'll be there tomorrow but hate these bloody early kick offs! Lamela to start please AVB?
MAN ON!
Thanks for the article by the way.... I'll wait for someone else to join in before I start arguing with myself....
MAN ON!
Howdy Man on
Crazyspursfan
Hi Crazyspursfan!
MAN ON!
C'mon the Baggies!
MAN ON!
Up the Lilywhite Army!
MAN ON!
Hate the early kick off too. So, are we going to try and bore them into a 1-0 defeat?
edmontonspurs
MAN ON ... You seem to be having a good time ... at least you have not started arguing with yourself ... yet! Most people on here seem to enjoy selecting, discussing, and arguing about, the team they want to play in the next mach. After much soul-searching and painful deliberation, resulting in many sleepless nights and daydreams of future glory, I have come up with the ideal team to play Newcastle, which I am completely positive nobody will find fault with on VS. My team to play Newcastle on Sunday, is, therefore ... Tottenham Hotspur!!
Geofspurs
MAN ON ... You seem to be having a good time ... at least you have not started arguing with yourself ... yet! Most people on here seem to enjoy selecting, discussing, and arguing about, the team they want to play in the next mach. After much soul-searching and painful deliberation, resulting in many sleepless nights and daydreams of future glory, I have come up with the ideal team to play Newcastle, which I am completely positive nobody will find fault with on VS. My team to play Newcastle on Sunday, is, therefore ... Tottenham Hotspur!!
Geofspurs
Sorry about the double post ... guess I must have thought it was important! lol
Geofspurs
Is sandro injured?
neymar
I was about to say Chelsea are doing a good impersonation of Spurs then they go and score the ********s!
MAN ON!
Topho. It goes to show what happens to bus-Parker's if you attack them AT PACE. They don't know which taps to plug first and eventually the get overrun and cave in. A good lesson for us to learn. As for tomorrow, Townsend left, Lennon right, Lamela central behind Soldado.
SpuriousLife
Bus-parkers bloody autocorrect.
SpuriousLife
Chelsea just gifted a goal!!
Geofspurs
SpuriousLife......Is that Scott stalled on a roundabout?
MAN ON!
not bothered who plays but I seriously want us to win and I hope Utd beat Arsenal today. If that happens then we go 2 points behind and Arsenal will be under a bit more pressure. However, if arsenal draw with Utd that will do as long as we do better and win, we need to make up some ground when two top four teams play each other. My concern is twice we have had a chance to go higher or top in the PL this season and both times we haven't managed to do it. With international break I really want us to win so we don't have to wait for the next game being concerned.

I think Newcastle are finding some form and will be strong and confident but we need to show them that we are strong and up our tempo an d get some goals. I do wonder once we score two or three goals if this will ignite our goal scoring record, lets start tomorrow.
WorldPeace
Liverpool not doing their goal average any harm with 3 goals so far against foolham. And it's only halftime. We will have to win just to keep up. Southampton also 2 goals up against the mighty hull. Sigh.
neymar
Once again a good pre match article Oy Veh... Townsend on left lamela right, crosses in to area.. 70 mins,, JD on for saldado..ericson on for dembele..and we score some goals..
Block D Spurs
What have Southampton got that we didn't against Hull??
Big Ron
ome on WBA
Big Ron
WBA!
MAN ON!
COME ON YOU SPURS & WIN WIN WIN ! ! !
Madaboutspurs
Last minute penalty to the chavs
neymar
That was not an effing penalty!
MAN ON!
What a disgrace the referee at Chelsea...
AlexSpur
Given all the crap Mariner let go, that was one of the poorest penalty calls I have ever seen. He wanted to give that. He handed Chelsea a point. Shame for WBA though they should have time wasted and made more of the three on one. Oh well. Chelsea drop two more points at home. COYS
peterballb
Also should add, absolutely no reason to give 4 minutes of added time. 2 minutes was probably fair. Ridiculous. Stop time for subs and injuries. 90 minutes is 90 minutes. Time for the game to be wrested away from the ever poorer officials. COYS
peterballb
WBA defend their butts off and the ref does that!
MAN ON!
C'mon NORWICH. WBA what was that player thinking of, had the ball 2-1 up and tried to score from out wide, take the bloody thing down into the corner flag and they would have won, chavs go up the other end and get a pen 2-2, it was always on the cards one was coming.
spu 4 life
That don't make it any better!
MAN ON!
Bad penalty decision (although who are we to complain) but Chris Brunt and Goran Popov made a couple of ridiculous errors for West Brom prior to the penalty.
Guyver
Unlucky West Brom but after their loss against Newcastle that's 1 point from an expected 6 for the dirty Chavs in the premier league, we need to beat Newcastle to capitalise on it.
MrSpurs
It would have been mounerino's first home loss as a chav manager and he gets a get out of jail card via a dubious peno in the last minute of injury time. Even if you could make it up you will be hard pressed to beat that. Lucky Phuckers.
neymar
Andre Mariner, had no choice. The voice in the earpiece told him to give the penalty, two if possible.
Arky
Tomorrow I would take the boring, boring 3pts. COYS
Arky
I just read an article in which Ancelotti has admitted that he sold Mesut Özil because he thought he didn't have enough character! Here's hoping his character deserts him and the mancs stuff them not because I want them to win but only because gooners need to get pegged back in line.
neymar
Arky - I second that! The 3 points is absolutely THE only outcome that we should be focusing on. Hope AVB has the game plan to achieve the win. COYS!
neymar

Soldado

Lamela

Townsend Paulhino Lennon

Sandro

Verthonghen Chiriches Kaboul Walker

Llorris

ItalianYiddo
That's with leaving out Eriksen, Holtby, Dembele, Capoue, Defoe, Chadli, Siggurson, Defoe, Dawson, Adebayor, Best squad since '61.
ItalianYiddo
Wet Spam must have been the russian vodka when we played them, they are shi7, well done Norwich 3-1 winners, great second half, Wet Spam might be changing sponsers from Alpari, to Wonder Bra to hold a team of tits up.
spu 4 life

Soldado

Townsend Dembele Eriksen Lamela

Capoue

Verthonghen Chiriches Kaboul Walker

Llorris

ItalianYiddo
Would love to see Holtby,Lamela and Eriksen playing together. But with AVB don't see it happening.
Arky
I don't think that Newcastle will necessarily come to "park the bus", that phrase used to describe the act of disciplined defending in depth. with the players they have in Cabaye, Sissoko, Ben Arfa, Gouffran, Remy backed up by Tiote I think they might come to give it a go, they may see the West Ham as a pointer to the fact that they could attack us and win. This of course could help us to play an open attacking game hopefully at a decent tempo, bringing Soldado more into the game.
Frank
Neymar, I never look a 3pts in the mouth. I don't care if we win by an own goal off a Toon backside. COYS.
Arky
I would be than surprised if Pardew is going to give it a go, last time he tried it he got thumbed 5-0. I hope he does, can't see it though. COYS make my day tomorrow.
ItalianYiddo
"more than"
ItalianYiddo
Talking of "parking the bus", why does it appear to only be successful against us a WHL, whilst rivals seem to be able to "fill their boots" in home games as Liverpool, and Southampton and to a lesser extent Norwich have done today, and Arsenal and City do in the vast majority of their home games. I think there is more to barren, or near barren home results, than to use the hackneyed phrase, and to blame the opposition's defensive tactics as an excuse for our own failings.
Frank
I doubt it Frank, Alan Pardew must have seen the tapes and logically fancies his chance with Loic Remy's burst of acceleration. But I hope you are right.
Arky
Wasn't it Mourinho that coined the phrase "parked the bus" when Santini took a very defensive Spurs to the Bridge for a 0-0 draw?
ItalianYiddo
Yes, its was Maureen.
Arky
Frank, Our policy of pinching rather than punching.
Arky
Nothing new with Spurs struggling with the bus parkers, we struggled most of the time with Bale, Lennon, Modric, VDV and Ade, I should know I was there for every game.
ItalianYiddo
ItalianYiddo, between the two formations, the first one would be my choice
Arky
Delighted with the Norwich result today, lovely to see Allardyce with a face like a bull dog chewing a wasp. I hope it continues, I can't resist imagining the irony of them triumphantly moving to the OS, but unfortunately in the championship at the time. What an array of attractive fixtures they would have, in front of 15,000 in a 60,000 seater stadium, I just can't wait, it would be poetic justice, and who knows if their present progress under Russell Slade is maintained, they might even have a local derby v Leyton Orient, what a mouth watering prospect. Has Allardyce after his triumph at Newcastle, found yet another job he is unable to do.
Frank
Thats because we do not want to do the dirty side of things to get the first goal at least. Actively earning free kicks in and around the box for example. We seem to think that it is beneath us. No dark arts in our DNA.
Arky
"...intelligence doesn't make you a good footballer. Oxford and Cambridge would have the best sides if that were true. It's a football brain that matters and that doesn't usually go with an academic brain. In fact I prefer it when it doesn't. I prefer players not to be too good or clever at other things. It means they concentrate on football." Bill Nicholson.
Cider spurs
Arky, the first would be my starting 11, the second just to illustrate the choices we have. We are going to get stronger the longer the season goes. A LB and forward in January and we will be a force to contend with.
ItalianYiddo
I wouldn't disagree with your team selection ItalianYiddo, that should do the job, particularly if they wake their ideas up and play at a good tempo. The worst culprit for not allowing this is I'm afraid Dembele, he looks a shadow of the player he was at Fulham. In fact I would prefer holtby for his energy and speed around the pitch.
Frank
"The public can't be kidded. They know what they want to see, what is good and what is bad and what is just average. At least I believe they do."
Cider spurs
Dembele looked good paired with Sandro last season, I remenber thinking that Modric wasn't the loss we dreaded, till Sandro got injured. Not sure where Dembele fits in now, he's not able to look for that quick forward pass like young Carroll does and Paulinho much the same.
ItalianYiddo
Would love to see Lamela behind Soldado, I think the two would quickly develop the understanding that's missing.
ItalianYiddo
I think that it was Cider and I agree that somebody, Holtby in my book, should play over the top to Soldado from deep.
Arky
Italian..the stats men last season when Modric had departed actually wrote that Moose was performimg better than Modric..This was not a paper seller. he started very well for Spurs, MOTM against UTD. I do understand how he can be so brillliant at being so ineffective at times. Against Utd he tore the whole back line a new one. Get back to that and we'll feck them up.
Cider spurs
What do you mean you look like you've had enough. !!!!
Cider spurs
Like the Murphys................I'm not Bitter.
Cider spurs
Err, Cider what is with the quotes? Reminiscing perchance ?
Arky
Arky...Yes mate.....You've seen it as i have. Keep the faith, don't deviate, Holtby will be awesome in a deeper role, ;-)
Cider spurs
Cider, I hope that he will be our captain in the future. In the mold of Roy Keane and Roy of the Rovers. Dare I say our Lothar in the middle ?
Arky
As for the quotes Arky.......I'm so wrecked it's easier to cut n paste..... Bill Nicholson tho' .....Legend.
Cider spurs
Wake me up if i get to Cider Spurs 5.
Cider spurs
LOL good for you Cider.
Arky
Re: Dembele, last year Bale was constantly creating space by just being on the pitch. And Dembele had quick one twos with Dempsey and so he profited. Not so this season. IMHO
Arky
Just watched the Chelsea v WBA game, and I have to say that Andre Marriner should NEVER referee in the PL again, he is either grossly incompetent (as suggested by Mark Halsey in his recent list of substandard officials), or I have to say, he is bent, a cheat. Anybody seeing that, and deciding it is a penalty, should go to Specsavers, but Chelsea preserve their home unbeaten record under Mourinho, cheers Mr. Marriner, collect your envelope on the way out.
Frank
That's the great think about being a fan topho, we can be creative without paying for the consequences if it goes tits up!
ItalianYiddo
It's being a long day, "thing".
ItalianYiddo
I think that first line up could work. Loads of attacking flair with Lennon, Paulinho, and Sandro providing defensive cover for a powerful back four that can take it in turns to surge forward. It would give Newcastle a lot to think about.
ItalianYiddo
Only a matter of time before we lose Lamela to Barca.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ric0xTz5g2A
ItalianYiddo
TB3 your earlier posts re parking the bus, you obviously don't realise the amount of respect that teams are giving us. Take Hull vs Southhampton. It is clear that Hull would have approached that game with the intent to play normal attacking football, feeling they were on a par with the Saints. Against us, they applied a lot more respect, seeing us as a top 5 side who they had to set up defensively. It is an honor that teams set up to play cautiously against us. As for Fulham, they are just playing complete crap this season, Jol has lost it.
jvd
That Chelsea penalty was as dodgy as any decision I have seen. But I am not surprised at who gave the call.

Marriner is a self confessed AstonVilla fan, nick name in ref circle as 'The Villan'. How he was allowed to ref, WBA, their fierce derby rivals I will never know. That was one disgraceful decision.
sydqcb5
My XI for Newcastle game.

Lloris,

Walker, Dawson, Chriches, Vertonghen,

Paulinho, Holtby,

Townsend, Lamela, Siggurdsson,

Soldado
sydqcb5
Looks like Liverpool resurgence is for real. They look unstoppable atm along with Arsenal. Both the teams its 2 men pulling their team - Suarez-Sturridge & Giroud-Ramsey.

Its quite clear both teams have benfitted from settled lineups, which is something we dont have. Atleast Everton & Chelsea dropped points again.

But if we were to really compete with them we have to start scoring some goals-currently we sit 17th in number of goals scored all season - only relegation candidates Sunderland, Palace & Stoke are behind us.

This game against Newcastle should give us lots of scoring chances as they are not a team to defend with 10 men. So, hopefully we take the chancews when it comes and still show defensive solididty.

COYS
sydqcb5
For those that feel luck does not come into it.....May i present you, the one, the only...Paul Mariner.
Cider spurs
Good morning all you lovely Spurs fans out there! Bloody early kick off so it looks like the hair of the dog for breakfast. Still WHL looks good in the sunshine......Are we gonna win or, are we gonna win with style? Plenty of goals will be good, 3 points is enough for me.....United thrash the Woolwich, the A fans cry and we're only 2 points behind.....Why not? COYS!
MAN ON!
Syd your line up and formation give or take a player or 2 is a likeI y line up. AVB, will no doubt set us up somewhere very similar. My problem with our formation is that we are playing at home with just 1 recognised forward. The rest of our players are made up of attacking midfielders and wingers. I'd like to see AVB shake things up a bit and play Soldado with Defoe Adebayor or one other in a more 442. This may lead to us being a bit more open, we may concede a few more goals but I believe there will be more speed and variation in our attacks. We are not playing to our attacking players strengths. Which is why we are easy to defend against.
strawboy
Inclined to agree Topho, we have the players in place or we should have the players in place after spending around £90m on attacking talent. We have no excuses. And some of the excuses just don't stand up. I really do believe some of our new players need a bit of time to settle in to our new league and culture. We are doing well in the league as the table tells us but it's clearly our style and speed of our attacking play and lack of goals. I'm sure we are not the only team that has ever had to contend with teams regularly parking buses. Our manager is handsomely paid to figure these problems out, he's certainly been backed and given the players to resolve and win games. Just a question to anyone still reading my post. Would you happily settle for all this possession all play and narrow low scoring wins if it resulted in us remaining in with a good shout of the title come seasons end?
strawboy
strawboy...last sentence...this style+possibly the title...an emphatic "YES" from me. Just for this season mind....
jacobslad
Top I hate excuses, I'm not the type. I just think we are set up all wrong. I think you've read me wrong. I just simply think our attacks are not quick enough, decisive enough, incisive enough to create enough clear cuts. I firmly believe we have the players. Hope that clarifies.
strawboy
I don't know why we are talking of excuses. We have had one bad result this season out of 10. Anyway, for those that like to list our excuses even when we win I got a good one for today...."kick off was too early".
jacobslad
Top, I had thought about Arsenal when I made my 1 striker comment. By the end of the day they may only be just 2 points ahead of us in the league. I'd reserve judgment on where they'll end up in the league. As I believe they will struggle if they suffer a few injuries to a couple of key players. We have a far stronger squad of players to last the course.
strawboy
After last week, my biggest worry regarding injuries is Hugo. We can cope/cover all over the pitch...but not goalie. Sorry Brad but its one season too many for the PL.
jacobslad
Me too Jacobslad, but at some point I could easily see myself getting turned off turning up for games. Just read about the latest win in the papers or watch the highlights in home comforts ;)
strawboy
At the end of the day..its only a game. I'm off to polish me medals and get ready for parade. I'm not sure any football should be played today, IMO. COYS.
jacobslad
I agree that Southampton had a lot of good movement ,and crosses into the box against Hull. There were 5 defenders there for soton's first goal. Spurs need to do the same.. now, and we will get goals, Liverpool showed how to do this as well. Gerrard was very effective in his passing. 90% success.
Block D Spurs
It's just a game that happens to mean a helluva lot. lol the west ham defeat felt like relegation to me. I thankfully did not got to the match but I avoided the highlights the newspapers or looking at the league table for a week. Such was my disappointment I avoided spurs newsnow and Vitalspurs until the next game was being discussed. But yes it really is just a game but it means so much.
strawboy
Any change of a early goal an 2-0 win. It would be a lot easier on my ticker. Soldado and paulinho with 2 assists to lamela. That would be a perfect start to a Sunday
gibbothfc
The first penalty we got this season.. was a penalty all day long.. lennon cross inside the area/ byline was stopped by C Palace defender's outstreached arm.. and rule books says penalty... as for those persistently negative people on here who question and deride every good thing spurs do.. yet never admit that they were wrong.. it shows they are not really spurs fans.. just trolls, who want to "spice up the site"...and it would be better for them to support another club, and leave this Vital Spurs forum to the true fans of THFC.. Coys
Block D Spurs
Chance ^^
gibbothfc
I get your point. Topho. Lol I can see you don't like excuses as well. My comments about AVB mixing it up a bit still stands. I really do believe we have the players to successfully play in a variety of formations as a back up plan. Whether it is going 442 352 for a period during games. We are just way too predictable. Hopefully by end of season we will have added the likes of Lamela Eriksen Holtby and Soldado to your list of Wilshere Suarez Mata oscar etc.
strawboy
Topho.. you are right.. about the quality of players we have as against southampton.. we are way above them in class...this will show after the new year, when injuries and games burnout take its toll..AVB is doing things slowly, and correctly.. get the defence solid and results which keeps spurs at the top end table, the new players settled, get the attack sorted. SO we will push on in the new year, from a better league position which makes us a top 3 or top 2 club..
Block D Spurs
What the fu... I just gave a spurs win at the poll and the win % DROPPED from 76% to 75%? Yep, The world is slowly coming to an end. But hopefully not before we stuff'd the magpies!
neymar
Top, the only reason why I use the league table, is because it is result based, league tables don't lie, no such thing as false positions as you are where you are on merit. We deserve to be where we currently are because of our results. If we beat NUFC and Arsenal lose then we are just 2 points off top. In the grand scheme of things that is not bad for a team you may or may not consider good enough. Look I should be making my son breakfast so if I don't respond then it's because I'm fixing him with his fav breakfast Pizza. Later.
strawboy
AVB is well aware we are lacking somewhat in the final 3rd. He said as much this past week, stating that maybe the players need to start taking a few more risks. Maybe AVB could take a bit more risk at times, but at what cost?, conceding loads more. No thanks. Simple shift of the right players in the right positions should help. As for the crosses, sure they'll help Soldado, but the inverted wingers have been in the exact same positions to pass to Soldado as the ones at Valencia were last season. Difference being, they passed, we (as already stated by myself) try and do the job of Soldado( who is a lethal finisher) and we fail more often than not. I suggest that the inverted wingers worry about working themselves into positions to pass to Soldado as opposed to working room for a shot. Let the talented forward do what he is employed for. No need for heroes, credit will be awarded by way of the assist. Pass the b/oody ball. Pass, Pass, Pass......Please pass.
Cider spurs
neymar....So you're the negative effect on the team.
Cider spurs
Off to the game, will share my thoughts tonight. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
We are 6th at the moment...this is a huge game bearing in mind the next couple coming up, just like most of our games this year if we want to achieve anything it's must win! PS Southhampton have a better strike force (as a combo) than us and a better LB! it ain't luck they are above us at the moment....if we're waiting for the new year for our squad to show it's class and overtake others we could be in trouble...they'll just go and buy a player to address their issues something we just don't do...can nelson play LB? Is Saha a back to goal striker?...I wonder if they are still available...;)
shedboy2
Morning everyone, got a good feeling about the game today. I think our biggest win so far coys!!!!!
Thats Entertainment
We have enough talent in our ranks to win the league. Maybe a step too far this season, but watch out all and sundry for next season. So we don't have the Mata'a, Oscars, Silva's et al. Says who?. How many league starts for Chadli and Lamela?. Eriksen at present i'll say not, does this mean that he does not possess the skill set required?. Nope, in the European top 10 for assists in the last 3 seasons. Must be crap.AVB, was he not wanted by a few clubs as of late?, did he not turn down bucket loads of wonga to manage PSG?. That's right, the clueless fool stood by his decision to build a truly amazing squad capable of winning the league. One of the meanest defences around, great start to the season. We all want the here and now, but some of us are capable of seeing what is being built, the foundations have well and truly been laid. Some can wait, some won't wait. As for how long..........Myself being a Spurs fan, as long as it takes, what else can i do?, change my badge, quit supporting. NEVER !!!.
Cider spurs
Spot on Cider
Thats Entertainment
Just seen a worrying starting XI which has Friedel in goal. Sweet Jesus
mattspurs1982
Friedel in goal. OMFG.
Moscovite
Cider-you make a good comment about our inverted wingers. We are playing the continental way and it is successful if executed correctly, which means as you say, our inverted wingers need to make the 'pass' they need to get themselves into the positions to make those passes to Soldado instead of trying to like you say Soldado's job, shooting and scoring.

You look at Townsend, he has improved but how effective has he been in scoring or assisting, not impressive. He needs to become a team player and become more creative, see soldado's runs and make the pass. Lennon has just got back and I fear it will take time to see much from him if he is to adjust to the LW as an inverted winger, although I do think he is more likely to achieve the goal of creating for Soldado than Townsend is simply because Lennon doesn't like to shoot, he would rather make the pass so may be a few more games with Soldado then we may find Lennon will improve us, we will see.

I think from what i saw on Thursday, Lamela is likely to be the one who is more likely to find Soldado, he is clever, has a footballing brain and while he will shoot he seemed to like to play the one two short passing, creative style of play, so I think when he finds his feet he will become a very important player for us.

I also think to a certain extent chadli will do better than Townsend at this role as well, once he gets confidence. I actually see Townsend being more of a problem to AVB because in some ways he has done well with his pace and dribbling and the hype around him makes it hard for AVB not to play him but realistically I am not convinced he has been that 'effective' in terms of goals and assists. I can see him being dropped at some point once the opportunity is taken by one of the other players. I am not saying Townsend is not good I am just saying he is not doing what I believe AVB wants, players to create for Soldado, and that I see other players probably achieving that objective more so than Townsend once they get settled. However, Townsend is young and is working hard on his game but he still has that tendency not to be a team player, it's his instincts, to run run run and shoot shoot shoot rather than possessing that finesse of finding a killer pass. He has actually got the mentality of Defoe, wanting to shoot and score, may be he should be a striker rather than a wide player.
WorldPeace
This is why AVB is a joke, he ensures Lloris will start and he's not even on the bench...Why say anything if your not 100% sure
SpursSnM
Our team - Friedel; Walker, Vertonghen, Dawson, Chiriches; Paulinho, Dembele; Townsend, Eriksen, Sigurdsson; Soldado. Our subs - Gomes, Kaboul, Lennon, Lamela, Holtby, Defoe, Sandro.
WorldPeace
SpursSnM-don't read into too much about what AVB says in front of the camera. He is not going to give anything away regarding our team and we don't know if any thing has happened with Lloris, he may have the flu it may be nothing to do with his injury. This time of the year players get viruses and so forth.

I am surprised about our line up, expected Sandro in the middle and Eriksen didn't do much Thursday so surprised at that but this is the beauty of having a good squad and we have a decent bench.
WorldPeace
I think I'd rather Gomes in goal! Friedel has fudge'd up twice in the last two games. Hmm I think we might struggle today... Hope I'm wrong
mattspurs1982
Whats wrong with LLoris? I am worried now.
spurfect one
Sandro is carrying a knock so wasn't fit to start
mattspurs1982
I nearly posted earlier that i expected to see Siggy on the Left today. Topho...are you aware that Vlad actually played Left CB role for Steaua?. he only plays Right for his National team. Capable at both roles. Think we need to smother Cabaye and stop him dictate the game.
Cider spurs
It seems LLoris's concussion may still be a concern and 100% the right thing that he is not playing. I only hope our defense change their game to suit Brad rather then Brad trying to change his game to suit the defense, if that makes sense?.
spurfect one
May i suggest we ALL support the players who wear the shirt. We have a very talented squad, some will prefer certain players to others, but we should not be calling into question any of the teams ability. Let's support them.
Cider spurs
We'll be lucky to get a draw. Remy and Goufrran will tear Friedel apart.
Moscovite
Lloris will be ok to play in a few days according to ssn, interesting line up, COYS
Kong
friedel walker dawson chiriches verts; paulinho dembele; townsend eriksen siggy; soldado
spu 4 life
I think we'll score more than 1 goal today. maybe not 5, but more than 1. Probably 2, but it could be 4, wouldn't mind if it was 3. Gotta love the spread betting.
Cider spurs
looks like bar codes are going 4-4-2.
spu 4 life
topho....Whatever country you play in or originate from, one thing remains the same. Two feet....Vlad can play with both.
Cider spurs
we will concede today coming out 3-1 on top, we really need hese 3pts what ever the score even if it's 5-4
spu 4 life
COYS,lets have a high tempo today and blow em away early. I see the site is nearly troll free at the moment.
Thats Entertainment
Referee who supports villa.gives dodgy penalty / decisions thereby allowing certain teams to score points..... hmmnn.. allegedly sounds like another well known shaven head ref. who supports Man Utd..
Block D Spurs
I still don't see where our attacking pace (both physical and mental) is going to come from with the players and formation we're starting with. It looks a lot like more of the same to me. Hopefully I'm proved wrong. Maybe we plan to keep it tight for 60 minutes and then introduce some pace for the last 30 mins. A bit of a shame when we're at home! I'm a bit confused and a bit concerned. Anyway....COYS!
SpuriousLife
SpuriousLife, you're not wrong at all. In fact you're spot on. We could have gone second when we lost to Wet Spam, today we can go third. Well, guess what is gonna happen when you select and set up a team like that.
Moscovite
Friedel? Astounded
van der haart lane
Wish we'd gamble a bit and remove this "2 sitting midfielder" stuff at home. Can't we put siggy inside and squeeze in Lamela / Lennon and actually go for it - I mean To Dare is To Do eh??!
mattspurs1982
Tiote to get set off ?
spu 4 life
Matt, this is indeed Comedy Central. We play with one striker and 2 defensive mfs at home when the opposition goes 4-4-2.
Moscovite
Friedal needs a big game, come on you spurs!
gibbothfc
;-)
Cider spurs
Must admit, I rarely get excited when I see the team sheet at the moment. From the 18 players selected I would have gone with Gomes; Walker, Kaboul, Chiriches, Vertonghen; Sandro, Paulinho; Townsend, Eriksen, Lamela; Soldado with Friedel, Dawson, Siggy, Dembele, Lennon, Holtby, Defoe on the bench. Understand Sandro is carrying a knock though. Anyway, let's see how the players selected do and hope I can eat my words.
muttley
Newcastle in a Brazil 1998 World Cup homage kit, haha.
Moscovite
That's some tackle Chiriches.
Durbanspur
Well, there you have it. One.
Moscovite
Dembele losing the ball in dangerous areas
Durbanspur
What's. Complete fling shambles. Bourne from Friedan s***ting his pants
mattspurs1982
Uh-Oh! Now we have to score 2. That's proved to be difficult for us in the PL this season.
SpuriousLife
Now ten will sit behind the ball. Hmm
mattspurs1982
The story of the season (so far): get a chance to go top and waste it convincingly against likes of wet spam and barcodes.
Moscovite
Here we go again. What a sloppy goal to give away. Really poor. And then Ericksen put in a great cross and then where is our fantastic 26 mill striker, no where. Complete wrong set up. What has signursen done today, I did not even think he was on the pitch
markyboy40
Wingers cut inside, terrible shots, soldado hangs his head. Bore off avb ffs
mattspurs1982
Half an hour played against one of the most leakiest side in the PL. No clear cut chances at all and Vertonghen looks the likeliest scorer in our team. That's depressing.
Moscovite
Surely Levy must be getting sick of watching this tosh at home
mattspurs1982
At home, guys, this drab is happening at home! I wonder how long it will take for supporters to boo AVB and his tactics off the pitch again. The crowd already shows frustration and sense the inevitable I'm afraid. We are kings of sideway passing and shots from distance.
Moscovite
Dembele should be subbed at half time.
Durbanspur
how can we have such an array of talent and have friedel as our no.2 is beyond me!like to see lamela today.
haverhill spurs
65% possession and we could easily be 2-0 down, ha ha ha, I am so frustrated with this team. I am sorry Spurs fans but for me 10 games in a row like this surely must tell you something is wrong. AVB is looking clueless.
markyboy40
WHY DO WE ALWAYS PASS THROW ON BACKWARDS! I was told as a kid to always throw it on along the line towards the bl00dy goal not backwards. AVB's stubbornness is going to get him the bullet
mattspurs1982
Dembelem Siggy off......Sandro, Holtby on
Durbanspur
Having a proper going over here, second best in every facet, tactically inc. too rigid, and even though we are trailing would get Sandro on early b4 we conceded again. Sigg off Erriksen off the left for me, mousa ans Paulinho getting an outing
gatch75
Ps Newcastle showing that 442 if done correctly is still effective and u don't have to be out gunned in MF. Again crying rout for a N0 9 who allows the ball to stick and to build from
gatch75
Sandro Lamela and Lennon on Dembele Siggie Townsend out.
Moscovite
We going to come up against an inspired Krul today. He has pulled off a couple of really good saves
markyboy40
2nd half, Friedel + sun in his eyes = terrified
mattspurs1982
That's just about perfect, Moscovite!
Durbanspur
Dembele been poor AGAIN. Siggy not much better. Get Lamela on for siggy, then let him swap sides with townsend, bring sandro on for dembel to stop them making them obvious runs in the middle.
spurfect one
what ever changes if any AVB makes at half time, it has to be a goal scorer who comes on and the player is DEFOE.
spu 4 life
You know what really feks me off about us these days...

1. We talk about how crippling our small pitch is.

2. We NEVER beat the first man on a set play!

So do we really want a bigger pitch? Our crossing is absolutely SHOCKING!
stu_u2k
Well AVB, you need to let the players actually play, not this rigid keep ball and get nowhere approach,....< > we need more pace going forward, and normally walker runs past lennon, but never runs past townsend cos townsend thinks he can cut in and shoot all the frigging time......... lets give lennon on instead of townsend, and lamela instead of siggy
micky58
I have to say that watching Spurs at home has become boring. Never thought I would say that but AVB tactics are all about ball retention and no penetration. So many sideways and backwards passes, it often looks like the barcodes have an extra man. something has got to give or we are looking at another 2 or 3 nil home defeat. Go 442 and put defoe on and Sub Dembele for Sandro
philbill
That's some lousy football!Its been quite a while now that we've been this dissapointing.I have to say even Crystal palace played better yesterday! *****
SilwalYid
Krul has made some good saves but we need to create more, both siggy and Townsend need to do more.
Kong
I said it before on our last match thread that dembele is hurting us. I hate singling out players but he hardly contributes to attack and defensively he gets caught out a lot. Where the hell has the player gone we bought from fulham?
spurfect one
This is not Friedel's fault. His old, his slow, not able to cope with a high line defence. He knows that, we know that, why does AVB not know that. A back up goalkeeper should have been bought a year ago.
MrSpurs
Massive diff in Soldado and ameobi, one is allowing play to build, and our cbs are bricking it because of remys pace behind. Can't build anything unless the ball sticks. Newcastle showing goo variation too, short build up but direct at times. We haven't got the option
gatch75
"Spurs haven't scored in the league at home - from open play - since the end of September" says it all!
Moscovite
For me Dembele has been the weakest link- upsetting our entire midfield.
Durbanspur
..........plus the lack of goals from open play has gone from a concern to an embarrassment.
MrSpurs
Dembele and Paulinho have been really awful today!Both giving away the ball more than a couple of times.Our midfield has been nonexistant.......Oh Dear God!!
SilwalYid
Just painted a wall to watch it dry, better viewing than the 1st half. Lamela please avb.
van der haart lane
Again its not the players fault..... its the management & tactics!!
MrSpurs
Philbill, that's exactly why I don't go to our home matches anymore. Until AVB is out at least.
Moscovite
I want to be measured in my critique - surely AVB can see what's not working in this first half - if he doesn't make at least two changes at half time then I will be disappointed in him!
Durbanspur
this sums it up for me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av0eEfaguPc
Guernman
No passion, no drive, slow, predictable, laboured. How many times we said that this season? Players who can't be arsed to give it a go at home aren't motivated by right man.
Moscovite
It's not difficult to defend against us though. They can double up on us all day long on the right knowing we have nothing on the left. We've spent 45 mins and Townsend hasn't switched with Siggy once. How is that? We turn sideways and backwards every time so they can get all their men behind the ball.
muttley
Take away 3 penalties and we would be somewhere between 15th and 20!!Wow
SilwalYid
Two subs done, kaboul and sandro on
Kong
If sandro was fit enough he should have started
Kong
so two subs used and no change to our attack, not great
Guernman
Getting back on level terms in the first 15 to 20 mins, kaboul on vlad injured sandro on dembele injured, leaves us with one remaining sub, trouble at mill one thinks.
spu 4 life
we're losing the mid battle against a 442!!! FFS Townsend, Gylfi and Eriksen have to work both ways...Lazy feckers....
shedboy2
Lamela needs to be on the pitch!!Come on you spurs
SilwalYid
what i am finding very worrying is avb does the same thing week in week out but expects a different result -- does he not get that his tactics may work against weak teams in europa but not against teams in pl, not even weak ones. he needs to change the way he does things are we are doomed - as is he
Cape Town Spurs
Lamela needs to be on the pitch!!Come on you spurs
SilwalYid
Our wingers need to get some crosses in!
MrSpurs
More pace to deal with remy thankfully now Kabul on
gatch75
Friedel is a yank, right? Why he isn't wearing a baseball cap?
Moscovite
Wow that's worrying - take the penalties away and we'd be in a scrap. Juande Ramos anyone??
mattspurs1982
no pace. too much left & right. by the time we are anywhere near 18 yard box it's packed. does avb have a dvd player so he can review games?
Cape Town Spurs
Well, if you can't score from this position...
Moscovite
how did he pheckin miss that?
Cape Town Spurs
Omg you just gotta smash them in! Aaarrrggg
mattspurs1982
Cape Town - exactly mate its not like this is a one off performance. We have been so lucky this season. Re-occurring problems that aren't being sorted.
MrSpurs
OMG what did I say we have come against an inspired krul
markyboy40
So your 0-1 down at home and he brings on a defensive midfielder even though we have Lennon, Defoe and lamela on the bench?!? Someone please get his clueless boring bloke out of our club
mattspurs1982
I don't want to attack Soldado because it's not his fault, but I can't be the only one starting to think we'd be better of with Ade up there!
stu_u2k
Hahahaha! Oh dear...
Moscovite
I don't buy a concept of a "match of his life" by Krul. The painful truth is our players are not clinical enough to bury it.
Moscovite
We always get inspired opposition GK at WHL ...
philbill
next dead ball free kick leave it to eriksen FFS
spu 4 life
if avb does not learn to do things differently then regrettably i think he should probably go... not happy to say that but he is just not cracking it. it could be his own stubbornness getting in his way - tripping over his ego so to speak
Cape Town Spurs
And if he bring on Defoe or holtby instead of Lamela I give up
mattspurs1982
swap keepers and we would be 4-0 up
Guernman
lol guernman
Cape Town Spurs
Trust me it is going to be one of those days. We could easily have had 4 goals, we will not get anything out of today I am afraid
markyboy40
Everyone seems to be avoiding saying it but Townsend is more hype than end product!
Durbanspur
BRING ON ERIK LAMELA
spu 4 life
Newcastle could easily have had 4 in the first half though.
MrSpurs
Siggy finally touches the ball after 15min of this half. Hmm. Change the bl00dy system AVB!!
mattspurs1982
as is AVB Durban... he is proving himself to be a one trick pony and his one trick is a bit pony
Cape Town Spurs
Defoe coming on. Omg I've had it with avb now
mattspurs1982
I don't know whether to criticise Soldado or feel sorry for him.
MrSpurs
Do they have an extra man on the pitch 'cos they sure play like it
Cape Town Spurs
Siggy should not have played 68 mins.
Durbanspur
Much better tempo come on, Cm massive improvement Sandro beast mode. Coys
gatch75
Townsend with his shooting is as one dimensional as AVB with his boring and stubborn tactics.
Moscovite
this is some of the worst top-flight football I have ever witnessed. AVB has taken a good attacking team, spent 100'000'000 and turned us into rubbish
Cape Town Spurs
Long balls to defoe's head. Inspired
van der haart lane
FFS Townsend stop giving the ball away!!
shedboy2
Townsend needs to be dropped for Lamela now. He's just awful
mattspurs1982
Amen, CapeTown.
Moscovite
mattspurs1982- agree, he's just not good enough...
shedboy2
I was very pro AVB and wanted to see him given a chance but am really starting to think he is clueless and we would be better off without him and the sooner the better
Cape Town Spurs
We'll Defoe has made a massive difference avb. Inspired.
mattspurs1982
Erikson's taking dead ball training from raf van der vaart.
van der haart lane
Anyone fancies a stoppage time penalty?
Moscovite
Man City then Man Utd next!!
MrSpurs
As soon as townsend is dropped, this team will start performing... He is just not intelligent enough for what we need
T0P-FOUR
After attacking the fans the other week, how long before the cheers of "we want our tottenham back"...? This reminds me of George Graham
mattspurs1982
We not gonna score today with Krul in goal, forget it.
MrSpurs
Wonder if the penny has finally dropped for AVB, although Soldado and Eriksen have been pretty awful so far today, a lot more attacking thrust, alot more urgency, maybe if we played this way for the full 90 we wouldnt be 1-0 down. Its been a long time since ive seen a team resemble something like the spurs team I know and love. Despite ANOTHER keeper having the game of his career at the lane.
coys1717
no width. no pace. no clue. they don't even look like they practice together. and every shot they hit at straight at the keeper. heads should roll now and AVB's should be the 1st on the list. P45 and a Ryan Air ticket to Portugal
Cape Town Spurs
Small pitch, anxious crowd, opposition parking the bus (not)? What excuse are we going to hear today? "Their keeper had the match of his life" - that's which. You mean even when both Paulinho and Eriksen shot straight at him from a few yards with open goal staring at them, Andre?
Moscovite
Why O why do we maka evey goaalkeper look good. This is depredssing.
iwear#10
we need to drop the ineffectual's...Gylfi, eriksen and Townsend....
shedboy2
How we going to lose this game I do not know
markyboy40
Cape Town - all that with £100m spent
mattspurs1982
football is a cruel game at times
spu 4 life
Even a tie would feel like a defeat.
iwear#10
We are desperate for a penalty haha! AVB out.
Moscovite
I was trying to write a comment after the game with Sheriff, but my computer froze and I couldnt be bothered. I switched that game off at half time as it was so boring with all the meaningless passing in the middle of the pitch going nowhere. This has to be the most boring Tottenham team of all time. We are used to seeing fast breaks and good ball to at least two goal scorers, now we watch middle of the park passing and a solitary striker who has no idea. If this is the future of Tottenham football, then I give up.
woodhall
AVB out
mattspurs1982
Bale carried us last year. So far this year luck has carried us but that has now ran out and we are being exposed for what we are. Let's be thankful of that as maybe AVB will get sacked before sunset and we can start to rebuild again.
Cape Town Spurs
Eriksen delivery from the free kick? Straight into "sensational" Krul's arms.
Moscovite
yes spend millions and then play Gylfi, townsend and eriksen....wtf...
shedboy2
Townsend loses the ball and Daws takes the booking...Toon waste time...
shedboy2
Remembrance day, one to forget, another 3pts dropped
spu 4 life
@woodhall I agree... would rather was the car and no-one likes washing the car! we are flatter than last nights beer
Cape Town Spurs
Better second, doesn't seem like it is our day to score, Townsend for all his running has no end product, shoots when a pass is on, needs to improve
Kong
Can't say we havent created chances in this game, even if most have been created from the right of midfield "again".
Guyver
a much better second half and unfortunately a great display from krul, thanks mostly to our ineffective finishing. kaboul and sandro are definitely in our best starting 11 while eriksen and townsend should not be on todays display. defoe will never work well with another striker but nor can he play the lone role.... hmm..
Guernman
Wonder if our crowd is brave enough to boo this clueless clown off.
Moscovite
Shed - you can add Dembele to your list - should not start a game in the form that he has been I !
Durbanspur
Townsend has been dog poo today...drop him...surely AVB can see he's style over substance...
shedboy2
Soldado is officially a flop. I told you Spurs fans.
foreign_viewer
Paulinho hasnt been any good today either, wasnt just Dembele.
Guyver
I swear no more matches at WHL until this buffoon is out.
Moscovite
SACK AVB NOW... RIGHT NOW
Cape Town Spurs
Ffs I want him gone. Take Townsend with you avb. What's. Pack of *****e that was.
mattspurs1982
Siggy should not play lw again, Townsend needs to sort out his game as it is not good enough, had the chances today but didn't put them away and the keeper had a good game, poor first half didn't help us
Kong
We could slip to 8th today!
SilwalYid
is this what a 100 mil gets you sort it out AVB and fast.
123spurs
only bottom 3 has scored less then us
123spurs
I am a AVB supporter but he is really starting to ***** me of, how can a player who has a motm performance(Lamela) not even get a substitute appearence but Ericksen, who was ***** that same game,can start and play the whole game.... Can someone please explain this logic to me because i dont see it
T0P-FOUR
now we're 6th both manchester clubs can overtake us and we have to play them both next...AVB can not seem to see how ineffectual our quartet is...ffs
shedboy2
We has easy games next, only the Manchester clubs :)
Kong
manchester clubs back to back, we could be lost in mid table by the end of the month
Guernman
31 SHOTS, 14 on goal, no goals scored even with a hot Krul simply not good enough.
CanUkSpur
That's it I f:&£ing give up with this team now. AVB I am sorry but AVB has to go now, that was really terrible. 70% possession and we cannot score. This is the worst I have seen spurs play in 32 years. Second half we had 80% possession 10 shots on target and nothing. Where was Lamela, he had an inspired game Thursday yet we don't even give the fella a run out and say there you go see what you can do. Unbelievable,if you going to lose and least lose well. I think we are in deep Shiet.
markyboy40
Townsend (usually surrounded by 3 Newcastle players) was our ONLY attacking outlet today, if other team members shared the responsibility (Eriksen, Siggy, Paulinho, Dembele) maybe Townsend wouldnt have been so overused.
Guyver
0 goals in 2 games... sack him sack him sack him now. if anyone is in any doubt about where I stand I say sack him now
Cape Town Spurs
Townsend laid on the 3 best chances today.
82spursdebut
So how many competitve matches should we play to gel?? 11 games in the league,1 game in the cup,7 games in europa league.....
SilwalYid
Hate to say it but if redknapp had this team we would be scoring a shed load
mattspurs1982
this sums us up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bPWUC6Ht9s
123spurs
Strange decisions, by all associated with THFC, cost us dear, today.
82spursdebut
AVB has had my total support until I saw him instruct the team to sit back and settle for a draw at Everton. He was very happy with a point against a team who failed to beat the bottom club yesterday! And today he rewarded his own personal 30 million signing (a club record) who had a brilliant game on Thursday by dropping him to the bench (at home) in preference to no assists in 10 Premiership starts Townsend who was appalling again today! Clueless!!!
pelebro
difficult to start blaming players on VS, perhaps a few should sit down and consider how they need to improve, the second half was played at a high tempo, which needs introducing in the first half of our games, Krul was outstanding which shows how hard we pressed, but come away with nothing. The final question is; What is our best side, you can continue to rotate players, but a settled side is what we need in the prem, I think AVB has a lot of hard thinking to do, before our next game, Man CIty away oh dear.
spu 4 life
Just think of this: when we are going to play United in DECEMBER we will have NO goal from open play registered at HOME since SEPTEMBER. That's AT LEAST fekin TWO months (and counting) of PL football when we can't score a single goal at our own fekin HOME!
Moscovite
Erikson, siggy, andros, dembele to all get the chop after that performance. And donate your princely salary for the week to a charity, it's the least you could do. Congrats to Sandro, Kaboul, walker and verts, at least you looked like you wanted to play for the shirt.
van der haart lane
Got to say it - the injury to Chiriches robbed us of a substitution - hopefully would have been Lamela!
Durbanspur
Well i have always backed AVB, but today that performance and substitutions somes it up i am afraid, toooooooooooo stubborn to play a different game plan, even tho we attacked better 2nd half, did,nt look like we would score............< > 30million winger/forward on bench, defoe comes on SHEESH!!!!!! MAN OF THE MATCH: VERTS
micky58
I have so many questions I don't know where to start but I will try. 1. How many chances must we create to score 1 goal? This is a legitimate question because we must have had at least 10 decent chances to score and not one went in. 2. Is every GK we play against destined to have his greatest day between the sticks? This is another legitimate question as it happens constantly all the way back to the mid 70's. 3. Is it that every time we have a shot to climb the PL standings we are doomed to failure? Again legitimate, it happened last year and for two consecutive games now. 4. Is it that after winning a game in the EL we feel we are world beaters? All our losses have come after EL games, maybe we should lose one. I wonder if we practice aiming shots AWAY from the goalkeeper at any time in our training sessions.
jvd
I said in a post a week or two ago that the players will start feeling the pressure and it showed today, Dembele, Soldado, Erikesen, Townend were completely off there game today. Brought on by AVB himself, you cant get by scraping 1-0 victories throughout the whole season, eventually it WILL come unstuck like it has today, scoring so few against the weaker teams in the league should have set the alarm bells ringing look at the better teams we have played and how many we have scored, 2 GOALS, AGAINST Swansea and at hone against Chelsea, hopefully today will be the bolt of lighting AVB needs up his backside to pull his arrogant style out a team which should be playing with confidence and a flair that the players know there capable of. Regardless of the result the 2nd half was a massive improvement on the 1st. AVB has no excuses any more.
coys1717
Besides that deflection,every shot were fired straight at Krul.Good going boys! for *****s sake
SilwalYid
Avb is too tactical, too loyal. Didn't deserve to lose though. Come on sunderland and utd.
82spursdebut
We loose going into international break again just to make it worse. Now we have two weeks to suffer through this depressing result. Looking at the shots on goal graphic and you would have to ask why are we so bad in front Of goal. I cant believe eriksen could not score from his opportunity. Same with Paulhinio and lennon last game. Season over now, avb's spurs career over and i had such high hopes.
iwear#10
Evening boys, I'm raging at that performance, so bear with me as I let of some steam. Haven't read above, but I am guessing as to why the ***** did Sandro not start? Paulino and Dembele, pure lack of commitment from both players in the middle of the park. This combo does not work. Paulino's form has slipped and really needs to be considered whether he should command a starting spot. Did someone put lead in Townsends boots? How slow does he look. Freidal again slow off the line, but harsh to blame him for the goal. Just frustrating all-round. We cannot look at our defence, they are doing the job, but the ability to put the ball in the back of the net is comical. Too pedestrian in our play. I'll let you boys battle it out. Expect it to get ugly, the trolls will make an appearance. Safe travels for our players with the upcoming internationals. Angry, frustrated, annoyed, but will try to remain composed. I still have faith in AVB. I still have faith in Spurs.
thenuge
Yes we lost the game today and we have some players underperforming. However we did create a few good chances but Krul was up to the task. Some of the comments on here are just over the top including asking for our coach to be sacked. Is that what you really want? No wonder many posters don't come here on match days. Frankly, embarrassing comments.
Madaboutspurs
Townsend was not appalling today. Andros laid on the 3 to 4 best chances today. At least one of them should have been scored.
82spursdebut
Feck me, the difference between Sandro and Dembele is getting embarrassing now, we play Dembele and Paulinho together against city we will lose, simple as that. Second half MUCH better, Sandro not only being immense defensively but also giving us much more going forward. Soldado's confidence in front of goal looks like its diminishing game by game, but i still saw some lovely touches from him. Bringing on Defoe was a mistake imo, would have brought on Lamela.
spurfect one
Townsend should have been replaced by Lamela after 20 minutes.
Geofspurs
Fridel did not play badly but his hesitation on coming for the ball on the goal was the difference between Lloris and himself. I think AVB needs to change his game plan so that he starts games like we played in the second half and finish them like we normally play the first half. Ie; All out attack in first half and possession game in the second half.
jvd
I'd rather have Adebayor in the Squad than BOTH of Defoe and Soldado who are too similar. At least Adebayor offers a genuine alternative and in terms of goals, he can't do any worse than 1 goal from open play all season (total for Defoe and Soldado combined). All those chances today, but none fell to the strikers.
Guyver
Time to sack the manager. I've tried to give him time but he is completely clueless. Constantly playing players out of position. Why won't he play Lamela. Townsend has now been worked out and yet there was no change of plan. Before people say that we would have won if it wasn't for Krul, we need to get real and accept how lucky we have been to win at least three other games this season. A more convincing team would not have given Krul a chance to make at least three of those saves. We don't seem to pick a team that allows us to play to our strengths. A decent manager would have this squad challenging for the title. This is not a knee jerk reaction. This result has been coming.AVB needs to be bold or he should go. I expect we won't see Erikson in the premier league for a while now when what he actually needs is a run of games. He and Lamela need a run of games but AVB does not have the guts to give them a chance.
jonathan01
You needed wingers but you bought another Sandro, Dembele and Defoe ( Capoue, Paulinho and Soldado). I told you that you have too many similar players and none are world class
foreign_viewer
Seems one of the problems is that AVB has no idea what his best team is. Come to that, neither have I. How come Arsenal buy one player and are transformed and we buy loads of mediocre players and become rubbish. Lets play everyone and rotate seems to be the policy, so there is no pattern. We will get beaten by every hard working team in the league. Luck has run out. I was against AVB from the beginning as he has no idea of tactics, and now each game confirms this.
woodhall
Townsend laid on 3 to 4 excellent chances. Open your eyes chaps.
82spursdebut
Friedel ddint have much to do today, but I doubt Lloris would have conceded the 1st goal. Poor decision to extend the contract of a 42 year old GK way past his use by date.
Guyver
Earlier in the week AVB mouthed off to the press telling us that that he made the correct decision to let Lloris play on although he was clearly not. Today he decided to play a 42 year old to replace Lloris (who is suddenly not well?) instead of Gomez which lost us the game! Clueless!
pelebro
Look at Southampton. They are a team who actually have a plan who actually play to their strengths. We seem to be the total opposite. It doesn't look as thought the players believe in AVB.
jonathan01
cheers all. maybe we'll score a PL goal before i turn 46 which is 6 weeks or so. probably not though. this team is a joke with a manager who is a bigger joke. worst spurs side i've seen in 35 years perofmance wise
Cape Town Spurs
Earlier in the week AVB mouthed off to the press telling us that that he made the correct decision to let Lloris play on although he was clearly not well. Today he decided to play a 42 year old to replace Lloris (who is suddenly not well?) instead of Gomez which lost us the game! Clueless!
pelebro
Same f¤ken spurs. Just can't cease a golden oppertunity even if it undressed itself infront of them with a 'come and get me' plea stamped in capital letters on it's chest. AVB is a frustrating individual and is killing this team with his tactics. Levy should take him out of his misery and get shot of him. This team is crying out for an attack minded manager like michael laudrup or steve clark.
neymar
I am more disappointed with the continual system that was obvious was going to let us down. You cannot play such football and expect to get away with it as time goes on. the system is not working we have been lucky with penalties and narrow wins and to make things worse our style of play now is not entertaining most of the time. Something needs to change, we have still not got a proven PL goal scorer. Defoe and Ade woeful last season so we replace them with a unproven goal scorer who has actually lived up to that tag, 'unproven PL goal scorer'. If AVB didn't feel Defoe or Ade were up to it any more after last season then he should have brought a 'proven PL goal scorer'. Lots of balls into thearea today and to me Soldado didn't look like scoring, in fact other players had better chances on goal than him.

Too much hype over Townsend, too much of the same thing week in week out, nothing changes except may be a better tempo.

There is a lot of work to be done and I am beginning to think we need a settled PL side and a new system, but AVB will carry on doing it his way and I guess we have to judge at the end of the season.
WorldPeace
I've just fallen in. Siggy and Eriksen were having a private competition as to who could play worse. That's where the problem is. That and the complete lack of width down the left. I've never seen such poor delivery from set plays - and that's judging by our usual poor standards. At home we desperately need some width. Siggy on the left is a waste of time. Certainly without a natural left footed fullback to overlap.
jolmember
Cue the stuupid overreaction. I'm sorry but that second half was sublime I don't care what you say. We met a keeper today, well words need not be said. 14 saves...14! An many of these were point blank stops not just long range 30 yarders. Improvement is there just relax.
BrooksySpurs
Can someone start a "New manager wanted" thread please? I'd like to hear your opinions, guys, on as to who should replace our current failure of a manager and why.
Moscovite
Soldado is a flop, and eriksen has gone backwards. Disgusted lamela didn't get on the pitch yet Defoe came on and predictably touched the ball 3 times. Hate to say it but avb is loosing it. It will no doubt be the same line up against city. Stubborn fool!
hudderspur
I am so p****d off with AVB. He picked the wrong team today and he should be a man and come out and say so. Paulinho & Dembele can't play together, Siggy on the wing doesn't work, inverted wingers don't work, why oh why didn't Lamela start. If this continues then questions need to be asked
Iggspur
82spursdebut - I don't remember a single "chance" that Townsend created. I remember 3 or 4 cutbacks that went either behind the players, to no one or to a Newcastle shirt. I also saw god knows how many shocking attempts at a shot. He was awful and needs dropping. Now.
mattspurs1982
When I saw the team sheet this morning, I said to my son, Dembele, Paulinho and Siggi starting is huge mistake against Newcastle who have quick mobile midfielders. Sandro and Holtby should have started. Easy with hindsight though.
vicspur
I know we are upset but Newcastle only had one decent chance and scored and their keeper was on top form and a tad lucky. They were driven backwards and we could have scored a hatful. Eriksen and Pauliniho should have scored, we hit the bar. The annoying part for me was the last 3rd. Siggy was not in the game and the threat came from the right. Townsend added penetration but again failed to deliver quality ball. Walker played well and supported Townsend. Vlad's injury cost us. He looked superb at times and due to his injury had to be replaced by Kaboul. Dembele is out of sorts so Sandro was the right player to replace him. Defoe had to come on to stretch the defence but it's a shame we couldn't bring on Lamela or Lennon. Spurs will need to win the next game to stay close to the pack. COYS!
James1
If we dont get result out of our next 2 league games,I fear AVB is gonna get the sack!
SilwalYid
Rubbish.
SpuriousLife
Woodall, It's not that that difficult, it's his full time well paid job - Sandro had to start every PL game once he got fit - it was a poor decision not to start him toda y. I don't think we would have conceded such a sloppy early goal if Sandro had started.
Durbanspur
I don't know who depresses me more: AVB or fans like Brooksy. "Just relax"? Feck yeah, let's do that. Phew. Feels better now. Point blank stops? That's only because it was shot STRAIGHT AT him, dumbo.
Moscovite
Calls for AVB'S head are way off the mark. You don't let a manager spend 100+ million and sack him at the first signs of a sticky patch. No doubt about it AVB needs to find a solution to make us more fluid and creative, at the moment it's been fits and starts, halfs here and there.

The 2 manchester clubs coming up and we could easily find ourselves mid table closer to the relegation zone then to the CL league places. If that does happen we need to stay strong as fans and sing our hearts out at whl, tbh some of our players heads could drop easily, eriksen and siggy both look like that at times.
spurfect one
Yes, he got worse as the game went on. Due to frustration and tiredness. But he laid on at least 2 gilt edged perfectly waited slide ball chances. Plus 2 other reasonable chances. Yes, I worry for Avb,especially if he sits on his hands, when the team he selected plays so slowly, in the first half.
82spursdebut
Krul had a busy day, but not a challenging one. Most shots went right at him, though he made a few good reflex saves. TBF, I think we've underestimated how long it'll take for our new squad to gel. We knew it would take month or so, but I think we should write off getting into top 4 and see how we're playing by about March instead. We have a good chance of getting a trophy but i'm writing off top 4 as of now.
alee
mattspurs-Townsend did create 3 chances from low crosses!Eriksen and Paulihno shot straight at the keeper!YOu remember anything
SilwalYid
BrooksySpurs - you been drinking what AVB is drinking?? we have scored from open play since SEPTEMBER and it will be december soon. We will improve!!? WTF he's spent £100m and we're sh***t"!
mattspurs1982
Really moscovite? Classy. If yourself wants to be miserable watchingbSpurs go ahead. But I can appreciate how well we played in that second half an how it was just unreal how that ball didn't go in th net. If we had Lloris today I feel we would have won comfortably. Had Sandro been fit enough to start I'm sure we would have. Granted I probably would have brought Lamela on instead of Defoe but we were going for it. Tell me, you want AVB out, so who will you go for?
BrooksySpurs
mattspurs....he laid on two excellent slide balls......plus the shot for Soldado's weak header. Plus, like you say, a few dangerous crosses into danger zones. I'll admit, the chemistry is not right. But take Townsend away and you will get the worst 45mins' of the season. ( i.e...last thurs' home to Sheriff)
82spursdebut
If we insist on playing townsend he must go to the left side toe replace the complete passenger Siggy, and bring Lamela in. We looked better when we actually tried to attack the wings. OK stand corrected, he pulled that ball back for Eriksen. Didnt do much else tho and lennon must be wondering what townsend is producing that means he doesnt get a chance...
mattspurs1982
Every game AVB picks a totally different team. There is no consistency whatsoever, other than Dawson and Townsend are the first on his team sheet! That's always a given with AVB...
pelebro
Topho who is the buddy club? COYS!
James1
Brooksy, for that I requested to start a new thread. Let's discuss our options (feel free to join in).
Moscovite
I wonder what Levy must be thinking! He's having to sit thru this tripe as well and knowing £100m has left his bank account
mattspurs1982
I hope avb gets the sack. I have no idea who to replace him with.
iwear#10
I think many are over reacting because there are no easy games this season in the PL and Newcastle beat Chelsea last week. However, I like others have concerns. In a previous article I mentioned that the way we play is dangerous especially if we go behind because we are not scoring as other teams are putting many players behind the ball so we need to score first to have any chance of winning. I also said the longer the game goes on if we dont' score we are in danger of conceeding either via a mistake, set piece or counter attack and then there is little time left to get a goal to draw level never mind win. It's a dangerous game we play and when it comes of, being hard to beat and getting the goal to give us a lead then it's good points but I also said if we continue playing this way we will get caught out, our performances are a fine line between winning and losing, this is what happens when you play this system, making us hard to beat but not having even in the final third of the pitch. I also said I think we will break down and the system will show it's weaknesses unless we change something and I think that is happening.

However, we shouldn't go overboard, AVB has time to make changes and may be he will and there is a long way to go until the end of the season. We cannot judge him yet we are not far behind, if Arsenal lose today we are as we were before this game. Chelsea have had some bad results and so have Utd and City didn't start great. We need Arsenal to drop points to even things out a bit we are still within a two game difference, as long as we stay close up until xmas we have a chance. calling for AVB is silly, isn't that what happened last season and then he turned it around. Give the man a chance.

I am not happy with the displays, I think our football is predictable and boring to watch at times and at others it is better, ok not great but improving. However, we want to get top four and AVB believes he can do it and is prepared to do it his way and do it ugly, so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt until the time comes when we are 'out of the race' until then stay calm and have faith.
WorldPeace
Laudrup would be a good start
mattspurs1982
Aww, wait, guys. We're only 5 points off the top and 1 point off the CL place. Maybe we rushed a little bit with the decision to sack him? Let's give AVB our full support, relax and the improvement will come. Right, Brooksy?
Moscovite
Aww, wait, guys. We're only 5 points off the top and 1 point off the CL place. Maybe we rushed a little bit with the decision to sack him? Let's give AVB our full support, relax and the improvement will come. Right, Brooksy?
Moscovite
We are team totally devoid of confidence. With your hand on your heart at any time did you REALLY think we were going to score today? We never hit anything with any conviction right into the corners of the goal. Everything was hesitant, panicky and lacked confidence. We look like a team that actually believes it either won't score or certainly won't score more than one goal per game. Who is to blame for that? Certainly not Newcastle's keeper. I'll ask you one question. What would Brendan Rodgers, Michael Laudrup or even Mauricio Pochettino do with our current squad? 9 goals so far? I don't think so.
SpuriousLife
This is how the Pl is city losing to Sunderland. It's not easy, lets stay calm
WorldPeace
Worldpeace - maybe we are overreacting in the wake of a painful defeat however its not lookin good. Not enough goals (take the penalties away we're in trouble), we're 7th, labouring against teams like Sheriff, £100m spent, the home record under AVB is poor, he attacked the fans the other week. I think its time to reconsider AVB
mattspurs1982
Avb is being found out by wiser longer premier / English game managers.
82spursdebut
Another abysmal home result. First West Ham L 0-3, then Hull W 1-0 (iffy penalty), now Newcastle L 0-1. For any team with any ambition all this is just totally unacceptable. It wouldn't be so bad if these results were against teams competing for the top positions, but these are the PL also rans, teams we just have to beat at home. We have now scored 6 goals and 3 penalties in 11 PL games, and have now got 20 points for 6th place, possibly 8th when today's games are completed. Sorry, the AVB apologists can make all the excuses they like, and expound all their dreams that it will all come right, we are a new team, and other assorted bollox, but the FACTS are that we are going backwards, and will continue to do so until somebody learns their lessons, and changes things, I'm afraid the January window, and an opportunity to spend yet more money correcting the summer's mistakes, will be too late. It is becoming increasingly evident that AVB flattered to deceive last season, due to the efforts of his "get out of jail card" Gareth Bale, who rescued poor, losing performances on several occasions by scoring winners from nothing. This season referees have sought to fill the gap left by Bale in 3 games, by generous penalty awards, but in 2 of the last 3 home games, when left to our own devices, against moderate opposition, we have been unable to deliver, we just cannot cut it. We have invested £100M in 7 players, several of whom are simply not contributing, and we are going backwards. Ironically one of these our £26M striker Mr. Soldado can't score, and we get beat by a goal from Loic Remy, how much did he cost, answer nowt, on loan. Are we now seeing the reasons why this is AVB's first "second season" in any of his jobs, and are the signs not pointing to the fact that Chelsea were right, but that they saw the future, earlier than we did. If we are not careful this guy will take us back to the Ramos era, and we will need another Harry to come to the rescue. At the end of the day goals win matches and 6 in 11 without the help of a referee is just not good enough, 2 of today's bottom 3, Stoke City and Sunderland can beat that, and the bottom team in the league, Crystal Palace are equal. Sorry but it just isn't good enough all excuses aside.
Frank
And the post match interview? "We we unlucky, with a little bit of luck we would have....". Really, Andre? And where is our buddy club that proclaimed "we create our own luck" only a few weeks ago while justifying lucky decisions that went for us? Double standards, anyone?
Moscovite
Last season we had to give the new manager time. This season we have to give the new players time. What will next seasons excuse be. We have an incredibly talented squad and a manager who doesn't have the first clue how to get the best out of them. Simple as that. We can make as many excuses as we like but the simple fact is that the manager is not up to the job.
jonathan01
*correction sorry we're 6th based on city score so far
mattspurs1982
I hate to say this.
But here goes:
Boring, boring Tottenham. That is what this team has (to date) evolved into.
It is galling to see Arsenal, not only top of the table, but getting there, in the style attributed to Spurs sides of the past.

Should the new chant be, 1-o to the Tottenham"? The set up seems to be geared to stifling 1-0 wins.

The change to two strikers and a show of attacking intent, would have been welcome in the first ten minutes, rather than when forced to try it in a desperate last ten minutes.
Hotspur 1882
You tell me topho. Come on then name and shame them. I'm dying to know. Who is the buddy club or do you lack bottle or class? COYS!
James1
Frank - superb post, my thoughts exactly.
mattspurs1982
Hotspur 1882. Totally agree except the chant should be 1-0 to the referee!
jonathan01
The second half was great to watch. We should have started the first half with the same intensity.
Geofspurs
AVB needs to cut out the stubborn bullSH and bring back Ade and change the tactics or he can change jobs.
mattspurs1982
Geofspurs, yes, we should have, but why we didn't?
Moscovite
SpuriousLife, you are absolutely right, those managers, and you could add a few more to the list, would think all their Xmas's had come at once with our squad.
Frank
the warning signs were there last season but few decided to pay attention to them because bale was baling us out and we had good results against the top teams, which overshadowed our poor performances against the weak teams. the fact is avb is not and will never be good enough. we were lucky to earn so many points in 11 games this season. here are the teams that have scored less than 10 goals so far: hull, cardiff, norwich, west ham, stoke, sunderland, crystal palace and you guessed it tottenham. if our attacking force in on the same list with that lot, something is wrong.
logos8
I'll rewrite.....Avb is being caught out by wiser longer serving premier / English game managers. For me....the main fault....especially today. Is when our manager sits down and accepts what he is seeing.i.e...the first half today. Needs to QUICKLY realise that the ball needs to go FORWARD to score a goal and CAN be SCORED ANYTIME after the STARTING WHISTLE.
82spursdebut
Hear hear Frank!
Under Harry, some of the most exciting times at the Lane in decades were witnessed. In the Spurs tradition, I would much rather see that and finish 4th or 5th, than this stuff, even if it resulted in being top.
It is not 'proper' football.
Hotspur 1882
FFS - We came up against a keeper in inspired form. Played great football and were very unlucky not to win. Need to start with Kaboul and Sandro and Lloris. Why they decided to rest him is beyond me. Lets just forget it, international break coming up and time to regroup. But stop slating the players as they were good today.
woodyn17
Spurs supporters who have been critical of the cynical, over cautious play from the likes of Benitez and Mourinho, must look on in horror at what is happening here.

COYS - cut loose - play with passion and pride. Not like robots!
Hotspur 1882
thfc1882whl, yes of course mention of Harry was purely hyperthetical, many of us were wanting Laudrup or DeBoer when levy blew Redknapp out, but unfortunately as it appears to be turning out, Levy plumbed for AVB, and we look to be beginning to pay the price.
Frank
Woody, no one is slating the players. We just want AVB out.
Moscovite
With everyone saying we come up against a keeper in inspired form, how many times does that seem to happen to us? Just this season we made the cardiff keeper look like buffon in his prime. The reason why krul was so good today was poor finishing, we made him look like a worldy, that comes from being nervous and edgy in front of goal, extra touches give the keeper more time to adjust, example eriksens shot today which he should have scored.
spurfect one
woodyn17 - sorry but today was not "great football"
mattspurs1982
Errrm yes Moscovite that's exactly it...we ARE only 5 points from top, I do believe we are improving an think we will continue to. Am I allowed to say that without having any childish remarks thrown at me? Not that I care but its a shame people can't have a conversation on here about Spurs without people making childish remarks
BrooksySpurs
After the international break we face the daunting prospect of our next 2 PL games v Man City (A), and then to continue our home game syndrome against, wait for it, Man Utd, not many points forthcoming there. What do we think our PL position will be by Xmas, answers on a postcard.
Frank
Alee - if you write off top 4 some of our best players will leave for a CL club. Then you have to start building from scratch again. So AVB will have excuse after excuse after excuse. With him we are rebuilding in 2013, we will be rebuilding in 2014 and we will be rebuilding in 2016 when his contract is up. He is making many many mistakes and he is not learning from them. Other teams have found us out and still he persists with boring, no goals footy. Lamela was sublime midweek but he starts with siggy and andros, couldn't even bring him on as a sub when we so desperately needed a goal(s).
neymar
What remarks you're referring to, Brooksy?
Moscovite
Andre: "I think we were unlucky but we didn't have a good first half. We gave them the advantage and paid the price. Krul kept Newcastle alive. They were outstanding situations and normally one goes into the back of the net but today wasn't to be. The second half was deserving of at least a draw and the lads showed that character again in the second half. Disappointing but we're still very close to the other teams. It's been a good start to the Premier League"
Hotspur 1882
Frank, I agree with your post other than your not being fair to Ramos who was never given 100 million to create his own team. In fact back then the DOF and Levy selected and purchased the players. Ramos had Defoe, Berba and Keane all sold without his permission or approval within the first 12 months of his arrival, and yet despite having virtually no control over the purchasing of players (Levy bought him Bentley) he still brought ENIC their one and only trophy in 13 seasons! Never before has a Daniel Levy coach been given such control and freedom of his team as AVB...
pelebro
spurfect one-agree with you mate,Krul made a couple of brillaint saves but the rest of the shot were fired straight at him.I still cant believe Kaboul,Eriksen and Paulihno couldnt hit the back of the net from that area
SilwalYid
It isn't knee-jerk to suggest that AVB (or at least his approach and tactics) have lost him the dressing room. We play with no conviction and no confidence. Particularly at home. That means we will always struggle. Either AVB has to change or be changed. I know it is ridiculous so early in the season but that's the nature of modern day football. At least if we were trying to play the right way the players would show a bit more commitment and passion. At the moment they don't seem to buy into AVB's philosophy and so they play like frightened or disinterested school boys. Lacklustre performances, no thrust, no cutting edge, no confidence, no goals and no Champions League. That's where we're heading at the moment and I don't know if AVB can overcome his own stubbornness to turn it around.
SpuriousLife
Vertonghen will be the next one to go if we dont sort this mess out
mattspurs1982
SilwalYid, Kaboul look like he went in for the ball half hearted which gave every opportunity for the goalkeeper and defender to sort themselves out.
spurfect one
Tim Krul is a GKer, he gets paid to prevent goals, strikers are paid to score goals, and given the size of the goal, the odds are firmly in favour of the strikers, so don't use the form of the GKer for our dismal failure to score goals. This isn't a one match aboration, it has been a season long problem, and not all the GKers have been MOTM. We need to stop looking for excuses, and look instead for reasons, a totally different concept.
Frank
Topho still haven't answered the question. I ask you again. Who is buddy club you are referring to? Have at least the decency to tell us? COYS!
James1
Well what a shambles that was, i think AVB is on borrowed time. His tactics are so easy to play against and defend against. Since AVB took over we've scores 34 home league goals in 25 home league games and the first 19 of them were with Bale, it's not a matter of waiting for it to gel, it's AVB is inept and his tactics are very poor. I'll always back Tottenham and support them until my dying days so none of that let's be positive bull$hit, we have a massive problem and i feel it's AVB. Townsend is not the world beater we thought he was, lot's of potential but Lamela has so much more. Dembele has gone backwards and him and Paulinho cannot play together it dont work. I feel for Soldado and genuinely believe he'll come good when we get the balance and personnel right. Our left hand side must be the weakest in the league, we are so lopsided it hurts, it's killing us. Hurry up Danny Rose and please sell Sigurdsson the guy is awful. AVB sort it out before you're forced out. By the way Moscovite is a troll, ignore him, he's on a wind up, Ian Bale in disguise, claimed not so long ago that he lived in Russia, now talking about boycotting home games until AVB is sacked, TROLL.
WizYid
kaboul struck straight at the keeper mate
SilwalYid
And the paranoia continues. Now I'm Ian Bale who lived in Russia (when did I claim that?). I suggest you go and examine your head, kiddo. Your ramblings make as much sense as AVB's tactics.
Moscovite
The problem is not AVB, two subs made at half time forced his hand Chiriches had a face injury and Dembele hamstring injury so what else could he do but replace them with Kaboul and Sandro (who should have started ahead of Dembele anyway) leaving us with one other change possible. I have walked out of the lane many times over many years and seen the same thing before MOTM ''the other keeper'' it turned out to be his day and not ours shi7 happens, yes a number, not one or two had off days, the best thing that can happen is sunderland go on and win and arsenal will destroy man u, arse will win the league, we need to get our act together, keep doing and playing as we did in the second half at a higher tempo, things will be ok come May 2014, you see.
spu 4 life
We were one striker short at the start of the season. Needs rectifying in January.
82spursdebut
Silwal, i cant remember exactly what point in the match it was but when krul made a save the defender hooked it clear, i think it was kaboul who looked like if he went in with his head he could have made it? Or it could have been another one of our players, either way it looked half hearted
spurfect one
Spu 4 life, you contradict yourself. You say AVB is not a problem and then question his selection when it comes to starting line up (Dembele instead of Sandro). Also do you honestly believe we lost because we were one change short and would win otherwise?
Moscovite
The losing mentality is still there. All down to the manager.
jonathan01
It is Avb's fault that we start so slowly, do not move the ball forward quickly. He corrected this at halftime...but must learn that this needs to happen from kick off. We have a very good talented squad.Be Bold and Brave...
82spursdebut
Totally shocking performance from a team of players who look like that that dont believe in the system that they are playing. Too many dog average players signed for too much money by a vastly over rated manager. Not on here to wind up, we play at old Trafford in a bit, but I'll stick by my comments earlier in the week - you lot are playing worse every week, AVB will be gone by Christmas. Townsend and Lennon will never, ever ever be good enough for a 4-3-3 system in a top club. Surely Lemela is a better option than those two wasters? Wish us luck! You must want us to win now so that we take points off your Europa rival? ;-)
Galway Gooner
Joe Lewis (who according to Harry was the one to have sacked him) will not be a happy man knowing the most expensive player in the clubs history stayed glued to the bench again today when his team were in desperate need of some creative flair, especially after Lamela entertained his customers on Thursday... The Mafia is watching your every move AVB, so for heaven sakes start to use your Arsenal!
pelebro
All the best Galway. Despite being a Gooner you have a good understanding of football and especially our current predicament. It doesn't really matter to us what you do today because we won't be in the shake up at the end of the season unless things change big and quickly at WHL.
SpuriousLife
Also, at least you play football the right way. It really hurts for a Spurs fan to say that to an Arsenal fan. Thank you AVB.
SpuriousLife
Another tear jerking after match interview from AVB. Does this bloke think we are all a combination of myopic, and stupid, or does he get confused and summarize on a game he might have watched recently on TV. People can talk about Martin Jol being under pressure at Fulham, but he is trying to play, with a load of hacks, and has beens. It's about time our bloke came under pressure for the way we are playing with a squad like ours. I know one thing, if it was my £100M he had spent, with no apparent positive effect, I would be asking him some very difficult questions, and giving him a few ultimatums.
Frank
Don't take me for an iddiot Moscovite as if you weren't trying to be sarcastic an taking the mick in response to me
BrooksySpurs
Phuck off GG. Not here to wind up? Clearly you're trying to goad us are you with those comments. Phucking smart arse. COYS!
James1
TO MOSCOVITE. When we played Anzhi you were spouting on here about how they were trying to give the tickets away for free and that i quote you 'here in Russia' no-one wanted them. Ive just been back to the Anzhi v Tottenham thread in the archives and there's a couple of posts on there with you explaining you live in Russia, look for yourself, i just did. Other threads around that time to you claiming to live in Russia. The prove is their, try harder troll.
WizYid
We are surely boring as hell and blunt going forward!Last season Bale magically scored from absolute nothing and now we dont have Bale!!
SilwalYid
James1 i agree, he comments saying he is not here on a wind up then makes the Europa League comment. Anyway what rival fan spends a lot of their time posting on their rivals forums?
spurfect one
The sooner AVB is sacked the better for THFC. I am sorry to say it because I shouted for the guy but he just isn't delivering the goods, so what can you do
Cape Town Spurs
Really don't understand why Lamela doesn't start. He mightn't be a consistent danger but surely he offers something a bit different to Townsend? Like 11 PL games now and only that one flukey goal to show for it? Townsend is pretty useless. And Lamela, has it in him to be a bit special, he scored 15 goals for Roma last season and yet AVB rates Lennon and andros as better players?? Baffling!
Galway Gooner
Sunderland winning 1-0. Twelve minutes left.
If it stays that way and Man U drwa with Arse. We are six points from top, with twenty seven games left.

It's a funny old game!
Hotspur 1882
*draw!
Hotspur 1882
Now back to Tottenham. AVB is playing the wrong personnel for his tactics, he likes inverted wingers we have to accept that. But playing Townsend as one nulifies it, almost every time he cuts in and shoots or puts his head down and dribbles. Lamela is much more suited to it, mixes his game up, floats about and links up with Walker very well. Sigurdsson is not a winger so therefore he will not work, i expect Chadli or Lennon will be the long term solution there and it'll work better when Rose is fit or we sign a proper left back, so we have the same balance both right and left side. And it's no coincidence that Eriksen had his best game when Rose played (v Norwich), so he had options and movement both sides of him so he could play quick one touch passing, the left handside is our main problem along with Sigurdsson and no Dembele and Paulinho together.
WizYid
Man U beat the Arse. We are five points away from top spot!

Trying my best to be positive here.
Hotspur 1882
spurfect one some peeps like him here, I've read a few posts of his before and he is a troll - clear as day. COYS!
James1
Bad ? Unlucky? My biggest dissappointment was the subs. Should have been sooner and Lamela should have been allowed a crack after an inspiring performance on Thursday.
mountainyid
neymar...AVBs contract is up in 2015. ;-)
Cider spurs
Before anybody mentions Chelsea struggling for a draw at home yesterday, and City looking like getting beat at Sunderland, I don't give a toss, it doesn't alter that we are embarasingly poor, and just goes to show where we would be if we were playing anywhere near decent. The same goes if Man U beat Arsenal, it bears no relevance to our problems and what we need to do.
Frank
Frank:
I already did! :0)
Hotspur 1882
Ok Frank what do Spurs need to do to improve matters? Serious question. Players, tactics and formations. COYS!
James1
man city need a striker, shi7 does happen, not just to us
spu 4 life
City have got beat 1-0
Frank
I think I am living in a parallel universe reading some of the comments on our performances this season. However I am sure everything will come good when the lads GEL. Soldado, our brilliant fox-in-the-box (so I am told) had several chances today but missed them all...still he had chances but has probably forgotten what they are. Townsend was as useless and predictable as AVB's tactics, but the Lamela obviously needed a rest as did Dembele but he was selected and then injured himself apparently . We are just a shambles and have been all season, but hey ho the players need time, the manager needs time and the fans just have to pretend that we don't notice how cr*p we are.
Harry-Kari
Frank you are a weather vane,now suggest we need to get Poyet. You have mentioned Ciise, Jelavic, you once said we we missed out on Chamakh. You were praising AVB just a short while ago.Now you think Remy is better tha Soldado. I will put it down to knee jerk reaction after a disappointing result
matt hoten
WizYid, you are an idiot, plain and simple. I TRAVELED to that game. Any Tottenham fan who made away applications would tell you that they were offered tickets at no cost (for free) by the club and needed to be collected prior to the match from one of the THFC representatives (if you were not a couch potato you would have known that of course). The thread you refer to states exactly this: "I was offered a free ticket for this match which apparently means not many fans traveled from the UK. I've never met more pensioners in one place than when I flew with BA crew to Moscow". Never did I mention that I actually live in Russia, silly. You made it up just like the whole Ian Bale thing. I'm not sure if it's either drugs or the conspiracy theories that doing your head, kid, but you have to stop analysing online personalities here and concentrate on football or else risk to be ridiculed for constantly making an ass of yourself (like now).
Moscovite
WizYid, you are an idiot, plain and simple. I TRAVELED to that game. Any Tottenham fan who made away applications would tell you that they were offered tickets at no cost (for free) by the club and needed to be collected prior to the match from one of the THFC representatives (if you were not a couch potato you would have known that of course). The thread you refer to states exactly this: "I was offered a free ticket for this match which apparently means not many fans traveled from the UK. I've never met more pensioners in one place than when I flew with BA crew to Moscow". Never did I mention that I actually live in Russia, silly. You made it up just like the whole Ian Bale thing. I'm not sure if it's either drugs or the conspiracy theories that doing your head, kid, but you have to stop analysing online personalities here and concentrate on football or else risk to be ridiculed for constantly making an ass of yourself (like now).
Moscovite
AVB's lack of daring in his tactics and un-willingness to adopt a plan b is holding us back aswell, why not every now and then try a new system, style etc.... 2 up top maybe, wingers on their natural side. It's like Avb is holding us back, we attack with no conviction or pace, more often then not it's only Soldado in the box. ATTACK IN NUMBERS, especially at home, be daring AVB and try other tactics. And Townsend please change up your game a bit, wingers provide not shoot all the time. It's Lamela time.
WizYid
Man City just lost against SUNDERLAND. Sack Pellegrini eh? Mourinho lost against Newcastle funnily enough playing a lot worse last week an would've lost yesterday if it weren't for a shocking decision at home to WEST BROM! Be serious. If people can't see how we actually played very well in the second half, well what can I say
BrooksySpurs
james 1, you know as well as I do who, not what, is the problem, but we won't solve it. If we consider that AVB was Levy's choice to "take us in a different direction", firstly he is succeeding, although perhaps not in the direction intended, secondly he has trusted him to spend £100M this summer, even though it appears largely on the wrong players, and thirdly he has a contract until 2016, and it would cost a big wedge to get rid of him. For these reasons I think we will have to get used to the current situation, and things will have to get a great deal worse (a la Ramos), before Levy will make any move. The catylist for change may actually be Lewis rather than Levy, as the £100M was probably his money.
Frank
Brooksy, this time last year(and previous years) it was also Wenger out. Giroud looked a poor buy, Mertesacker a donkey and Ramsey never going to make it. They eventually gelled at the end of last season.
matt hoten
BrooksySpurs, don't say anything, just look at our stats re. goals scored, look at our HOME record, we are now 7th and falling with Man City, and Man Utd to come before the end of November, so where will we be by Xmas. We are losing or drawing games we should win,i.e. West Ham, Newcastle at home and Everton last week away, 67% possession and no goals scored. We are proving that without Bale, or penalties, we are impotent.
Frank
James1 even though I don't have any buddy's on here, just fellow spurs fans, Topho is probably referring to me as part of that committee. Topho considering we are still very much up there 3 points off 2nd place I will remain optimistic. Yes I still think we will end the season top 3. Why? Because I am a fighter an optimist and a spurs fan. It sounds like you've given up Topho. If that's the case then our season is over and we have nothing left to play for if you were to believe. The one thing that strikes me with you Topho is that on a recent thread about Siggy prior to the Norwich game You spent a lot of time telling us all what you thought of Siggy. He played well scored 2 and happened to win us the game. I was curious to hear your views since you were so vociferous just prior to the match. I surprised and a little disappointed that your post Norwich match were nowhere to be seen. I think you know where I am going with this.... I am not going to enter a 6 hour marathon battle with you as I am sure you have other things going on in your life than VS. I respect your views but although we are both spurs fans we are both very different Spurs fans. I don't share your impatience and perhaps negativity anymore than you share my patience and optimism. I am very very disappointed tonight but I won't lose sight of the fact that the season ends in May not early November mate. COYS.
strawboy
Just wondering if Krul hadn't had such a good game and we'd managed to put away a couple of our 14 shots on target today, leaving us in joint second on points, would you still all be demanding AVBs head on a plate? No we're not putting together top class performances at the moment and work needs to be done, but seriously? Some of you react as if we're in a relegation battle at the moment. With all due respect, there are some of you whom I hope don't go to the lane very often, as you seem to be the typical boo boys who appear to take great glee in things going wrong for us. Try to get behind your team (and that includes the manager and coaching staff) We're only 11 games in FFS!
SpursCraftyClown
Anybody who doesn't believe the impact that a coach can have on a team only need to look at Sunderland. Before he came they couldn't buy a point, since he took over the same squad of players have won 2 home games on the bounce, including today's v City.
Frank
Brooksy, I also thought our 2nd half performance was excellent, just not clinical enough.
matt hoten
So what do Spurs need to do to improve Frank?
James1
To all those 'don't panic Captain Mannering merchants' out there why shou;dn't we panic? It's a results business and people get paid big bucks to get the right results. It's like any other business, if you don't cut the mustard you get the boot. Patience is fine but I think AVB has been given a fair chance but he plays the same week in week out and acts surprised the outcome was well, the same.
Cape Town Spurs
To all those 'don't panic Captain Mannering merchants' out there why shou;dn't we panic? It's a results business and people get paid big bucks to get the right results. It's like any other business, if you don't cut the mustard you get the boot. Patience is fine but I think AVB has been given a fair chance but he plays the same week in week out and acts surprised the outcome was well, the same.
Cape Town Spurs
Top if you are on probation then that has nothing to do with me. I'm just guessing, but it might have something to do with the way you react to other posters post. I don't have any issues with you even though we have had a few disagreements. I see your passion, I sense your frustration and impatience but I can't share your views. I have a very never say die attitude even if you find my posts misguided and frustrating. I look at the league table and it is easy for me to remain phlegmatic given that our performances in the last third is not good enough.
strawboy
don't know how that happened. sorry
Cape Town Spurs
Just thought id sign in for a laugh to flick through some of the idiotic post match comments from the usual morons - not disappointed! Still amazed at frank whos been a fan for 60 years or whatever but shows the perspective of a teenager. As much as im absolutely gutted to lose i dont think ive seen a more one-sided match only to lose. Their keeper saves more shots than any other keeper this season! Result difficult to take. Good performance especially second half. Im afraid this is football. Il leave you to your knee-jerking.
StillRickyVilla
James1 it is patently obvious .... Sack the facking useless coach And get rid of most of our players ;) simple!!
strawboy
James1 it is patently obvious .... Sack the facking useless coach And get rid of most of our players ;) simple!!
strawboy
SRV - I know you're an experienced Spurs fan and someone with an excellent knowledge of football. Did you honestly feel that the players looked confident they'd score during the game today? Did the players looked convinced by the tactics, shape or approach? Yes Krul played a blinder but of the 14 or so shots he saved not more than 1 or 2 were hit with any sort of conviction or confidence that they would score.
SpuriousLife
Lets not panic we've got two easy fixtures coming up.
MrSpurs
Frank, good point about impact of a coach, Di Canio did the same thing, he's available, lets get him in. Swansea 0 Stoke 2 . Laudrup out.
matt hoten
is thids the same City who have scored 19 goals in 4 games or sometihng. LEAST THEIR FANS GET TO SEE AN F ING GOAL AT HOME FROM TIME TO TIME!!
mattspurs1982
Lol SRV, yup the usual but we are all Spurs.
strawboy
SpursCraftyClown, if your auntie had bollox, she might be you uncle, but we have to deal with what is, not what we want, or would like, or wish, them to be. The facts are that we have lost AGAIN at home against a team from the lower half of the league, we are scoring at a rate lower than all but 2 or 3 teams in the PL (if you discount penalties we are behind 2 of the bottom 3), with no visible signs of improvement, and no apparent will to change, particularly team selection, set up, and team formations particularly during a game, until desperation sets in, those are the facts. Unless there is rapid and distinct improvement we will gradually slide further and further down the league, surely that is painfully obvious.
Frank
Apologize, I earlier said Moyes out. Man U 1 Arsenal 0.... Wenger out
matt hoten
SpursCraftyClown - yeah but we lost, its all good saying "oh i wonder if". We lost, we're 7th, we've spent 100m, we're boring, we dont look like scoring, the home support is flat and AVb has attacked the fans. hmmmmm
mattspurs1982
Just to prove that the goal is big enough, RVP has just scored v Arsenal, with 3 defenders and the GKer on the line, if you know what you're doing there is still room.
Frank
Hi spurious - yep I think there are a few (like perhaps soldado, erikssen, townsend) who seem low on confidence in front of goal. Confidence ebbs and flows - itl come. These are top players. We completely dominated that game as we did for most parts away to everton. Ive no problems at all with how its going. As long as we are patient and accept these things happen in football. Cheers.
StillRickyVilla
it's a mess. AVB seemingly out of his depth, but hell, let's give him a few seasons to get the team to gel, 150 matches, that might be enough. He's a kid a he's lost. Out-thought by Sam Allardyce, that says it all, Big Sam couldn't out think a hamster!
Cape Town Spurs
Frank, RPV agaimst Real missed an open goal and a penalty. Not much objectivity in your posts.
matt hoten
Apart from Ramos, AVB is the worst manager we have had at Spurs for a long time. Only Bale saved us from mid table last year. Now there is nothing to save us. He has already said that he won't be coaching for long and that he wants to coach in South America. He clearly has no loyalty to us. Let's get rid now before it is too late. AVB OUT NOW
jonathan01
SRV - what's the point of dominating and having 70% possession if you're not going to score? It's not hot potato, and I wouldn't call backward throw on's, sideward, backward passing and holding the midfield as "dominating". Okay 2nd half we had a 20min spell but the ersatz has been the story of this and last season (tho he had someone to Bale us out last year)
mattspurs1982
Of course Bale "baled us out", he is world class, Messi bales Barcelona out, Ronaldo bales RM out, thats what world class players do, they create something out of nothing.
matt hoten
Ok Frank, well you've clearly just used my post as a springboard to continue your negative ranting. Or maybe you really do think we should hoof AVB straight out on his ear? I suppose Pellegrini and Moyes should be expecting their P45s as well, looking at their league positions
SpursCraftyClown
*open goal in the EPL that is
mattspurs1982
And if you're "happy" with the way it's going - happy not to see an open goal at WHL since September and happy to see this boring boring dross labouring each team against the likes of Sheriff, then I'm worried for some of our fans
mattspurs1982
My son-in-law just rang to say he has been offered 2 tickets for executive seats on the half way line at Old Trafford for our game on New Years day, £130 quid each + £30 quid for a meal before the game. Its a bit of a trek from Devon and with travel and overnight stay will probably cost me best part of £250. I know this kind of offer won't come along very often but I'd like to have some confidence that I might see us score if I fork out that sort of money! :-)
TQ2Spurs
Moscovite you're a liar and a troll, ive read it with my own eyes. You've slipped up 1 to many times and will no doubt do it again, i have no further interest in holding a conversation with you. Good luck on your trolling and i hope it has all the fulfillment your life needs, all the best.
WizYid
The tactical and playing-style approach AVB is trying to use is NOT suited to the English PL. That is the biggest problem. If he is too stubborn (or perhaps too stupid) to change then we have a problem. You can rest assured that the frenetic, high-tempo style of the PL is not going to change any time soon. If AVB is serious about being successful he must see this and adjust his approach. If not we suffer the longer he stays at the helm. Is he sensible and able enough to make this most important of changes? He's had a season and a bit and we seem to be going backwards. Is a season and a bit enough time? It seems to have been for Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool, Laudrup at Swansea. Pochettino has only had since January and he seems to have learnt and adapted pretty quickly too. What makes AVB so different?
SpuriousLife
Matt h - come on you're smarter than that - comparing the way we're playing to barca and real with messi / Ronaldo. We're awful mate!! Truly awful at the moment. The bottom 3 have score more goals / equal than us. We look lost
mattspurs1982
Of course none of us are happy with results like todays mattspurs1982, not sure where anyone said they were happy to be honest. Thing is we're not all willing to chuck in the towel and give up on the manager just yet
SpursCraftyClown
I'm in the 'Captain Mannering' class…….lol…..I think so anyway. But lets not make out that Krul was immortal and performing miracles. None of those saves were actual 'phenoms'. Ericksen guided his shot on to Krul's left boot, everything else was stock standard. Anyone else suprised that Kaboul was quite timid and just didnt come through and smash / bundle the rebound (from that poor free kick) into the net.
thenuge
On a side tangent regarding our AVb losing the plot - to attack professional medical experts and then state Lloris will start, only to learn post match that he was left out due to medical advice is just embarrassing, pathetic and makes him look a royal t*@t
mattspurs1982
SpursCrafty - If weren't for dubious penalties against hull and Crystal Palace and an undeserved last minute goal against Cardiff we would bottom half of the league. Results have gone our way, we've been lucky, but it continue forever AVB needs to sort out his tactics!!
MrSpurs
Spurious - what are you going on about. Under AVBs 'awful' tactics we got our highest ever points total last season. And followed it up with our joint best start to a season this season. Back to today and that was perhaps the most one-sided game we ended up losing ive ever seen. On another day we could have won by 3 or 4. Nothing to do with tactics. Theres just a few forward players who havent quite settled yet or a little short on confidence. Its nothing more than that. But hey - lets sack the manager eh. Cos thats worked well for us the last 60 years.
StillRickyVilla
Mattspurs I wasn't comparing us to RM or Barcelona ,I was just making the point that world class players make a difference. Take Iniesta and Messi out of Barcelona and they probably would not win La Liga.
matt hoten
Matt, he states a lot of things which are just not true, doesn't he? Anyone remembers the announcement that Danny Rose is back in training and likely to be in contention for the next (back then) game only for that to never materialise? And what is the whole thing with Adebayor who was taken to Moldova didn't play there and then never featured even on the bench for us? We wouldn't hear anything from our manager on what's going on there, right? Chelsea got rid of him and won the CL. He plans to retire at 40 but at current rate with his football philosophy he'll be lucky to find another club when he finally gets sacked by us. I say the sooner the better.
Moscovite
I also think pellegrini and moyes need to be sacked. And mourinho for that matter. Get rid of all of them useless tossers! Lol
StillRickyVilla
For those on here who think we are playing dross all you have to do is turn your TVs' off.
matt hoten
WizYid Did you not see the game at all??? because I thought AVB bringing on Defoe as a second striker WAS a plan B, and that made TWO strikers up front which is something you say he hasn't done. Sure seemed like it to me as it's something he doesn't normally do, therefore plan B. Also if it weren't for Krul having an inspirational game we would have hammered them. Anyone who says theat most of them were easy saves really doesn't know anything about goalkeeping. He was unsighted for a couple of them, saved a bad deflection which meant he had to change direction and saved with his foot a couple of times because he was already going the wrong way or on the ground. He played a blinder. it was the most saves in ANY prem match so far that a keeper has made. THAT says a lot. I also thought we played very well in the second half and was wondering why the hell we didn't play like that in the first half. Still we ARE a work in progress and as such you expect things to go tits up now and again along with the good bits.
chrishove123
You cannot deny that we've only made a great start to the season due to some immense immense luck. 3 penalties in the first 9/10 games and some of those dubious. Take the luck away (today) and you see the cracks
mattspurs1982
I am watching Arse v Manure. It is pretty obvious that both of theses teams move the ball around MUCH quicker than us. In fact the difference is quite marked.
philbill
Mosco, so you are now blaming AVB for not accurately predicting a players return from injury. As for Adebuyor thats probably an internal discipline matter.
matt hoten
Phillbill, it's not only the pace of the game it's also the motivation, intent, drive and spirit that is evidently showing with these both teams only to highlight the lack of ours.
Moscovite
Matt, you say probably because you don't know. And neither do I. Who knows maybe Danny Rose was also disciplined? Probably? Because according to our manager he was ready to play.
Moscovite
Matt h - £357 downfall from the west ham and today's match, not to mention time missed with the family. You can't assume everyone with a different opinion is an armchair fan. I'm fed up with watching sideways tosh and no goals. As a paying fan, I deserve to see tactics change or a change in direction, not an attack by said manager on my commitment or negatively. Give me something to cheers and we'll cheer.
mattspurs1982
Topho I look forward to the names you refer to the buddy club. Jog on pal clearly all mouth and no bite. Pathetic. COYS!
James1
SRV - last season Gareth Bale earned us a lot of the points that took us to our points record. Without him we wouldn't have got anywhere near it. This season we've scraped by with a lot of 'lucky' 1-0 wins (a couple of times with dubious penalties that I wouldn't have been happy with if they'd been given against us) and a couple of very late winners. There was little convincing about our performances last season and even less this season. All I'm saying is that if you continue to win 'by the skin of your teeth' eventually the skin wears out and you're exposed. As for today we battered Newcastle but still couldn't score. The problem for me is that our attacking players didn't look (to me at least) like they believed they'd actually score today. No conviction. No belief. No confidence. No goals. Lots of nearly and almost but still a big fat zero on the score sheet. That's happened too many times already this season for it to purely be coincidence or bad luck.
SpuriousLife
lol, not sure what you are getting at Moscovite? Are you saying AVB was lying about Rose and Adebayor? Why would he? What exactly is your point mate?
SpursCraftyClown
It's not only goals that went missing for us. Spark has gone as well. Players look flat and synthetic. If Kaboul had desire he would have gone for that rebound quicker and with more intent. In the end defender just wanted it more.
Moscovite
So many happy clappers on this site supporting AVB regardless of results or performances. AVB is not above criticism. AVB is suppose to be a tactical manager that's the whole reason why we sacked Redknapp but were not scoring against teams who defend!! We have no plan B and this after investing £100M on new players.
MrSpurs
I think that AVB is running on thin ice at the moment. I do not think that he knows what his best team is. The midfield is all over the place. I do believe a lot of money has been wasted in the last window. The system is not working for any one. Yet the moment I saw the team today my heart sank a bit. Siggy is terrible and I would like to know what AVB saw in his last game to convince him that he was worth a start. I can not believe how bad that Dembele was. What has happened to him. I do think that we saw a player that can finally replace Modric today. Sadly he was wearing a Newcastle shirt. We simply have not replaced him. He was class and knew when to speed things up or slow the game down. We need to replace quality for quality now. Got the squad but if we lose a top player then we need to bring in quality to replace them. Not bring in squad players. If that means spending all the money we receive for the player on a replacement then so be it. Not sell one and bring in five or six. I still think Holtby could be that player in a deep role. Eriksen was lost and has to improve quiclkly. I think Lamela should have started after his performance on thursday night. In front of Siggy and maybe more Townsend to left side. I know he says otherwise but thursday nights is killing off our hopes of a top four finish. He puts too much emphasis on cup comps. I do think he will be in trouble if we do not pick up points in our next two easy games. He needs Ade in this squad right now. I think on his day he is head and shoulders above both the other strikers on our books. Even on his bad days he can not be as bad as Soldado looks. We know how to pick top strikers. Not had one since Berb left. I hated Redknapp and wanted AVB to do well but he is looking more and more out of his depth. The constant changing of the squad is not helping. It would help if we did not keep bringing in duds. His negative way of play at home is causing a lot of the unrest in the stadium. I know a lot of credit went to their keeper but we did miss some sitters too.
nothappyharry
There are so any ways of looking at things. Like, why get rid of AVB on the basis of one game? Okay, I know someone will bring up all the previous games and team failings, but, if we had won today and gone joint second, the reaction would have been different. Whatever happens, many supporters will give up before the players, manager, and the Tottenham Board do. And I'm staying in it for the ride ... because it's what I've done for several decades.
Geofspurs
the big question for me now is if avb is a bigger muppet than harry... someone said avb is overrated. well, he isn't, because nobody actually rates him besides optimistic spurs fans
logos8
Hear, hear Geoff. My sentiments exactly.
SpursCraftyClown
That's it for this weekend, i have had my say, good luck to those who are "happy the way things are going" as we add a defeat to Newcastle, to the one suffered against West Ham, and the skin of the teeth win v Hull (cheers ref), good luck and I hope all your dreams, wishes, and hopes all come true, but I would prefer to face reality, and fear further heart ache to come.
Frank
The way we are playing vs he way the EPL is panning out - I really can see us behind the group of arsenal, man united, Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and in a real scrap with Everton and Soithampton (both of which look more clinical than us in front of goal). If we were to "stick with our man" and he doesn't change the tactics PDQ then finishing 7th/8th would be a disaster and set us back years. I truly hope not but AVB has to find the answer quickly before Levy doess
mattspurs1982
Oh Frank, you love to be the doom and gloom merchant, don't you. Who exactly are you quoting who was "happy the way things are going" You are far from a realist Frank. Sadly you are one of many pessimists who are to be regularly found around these parts.
SpursCraftyClown
mrspurs redknapp was sacked because he was confident that he will get the england job and messed up because of that, even though we finished 1 point behind arsenal. I don't care if avb is tactical if the players don't play with passion under him and if he keeps the biggest signing on the bench. why play townsend and not give lamela at least 20 minutes?
logos8
CraftyClown, my point is AVB says a lot of rubbish and this includes post match intis where he spouts off ridiculous excuses instead of taking a honest hard look at himself and providing an honest assessment of our shortcomings. First step in solving any problem is to recognise and admit that it exists so you can address it. AVB seems to be struggling with this and prefers to bitch about our lack of luck or some other drivel instead.
Moscovite
Crafty clown - Still Ricky Villa said about 20 posts that he was "happy with the way things are going" which after another home defeat and further lack of goals, passion and decent subs - is just worrying
mattspurs1982
Logos, my thoughts exactly. He was found out at Chelsea but somehow maintained a certain hype about himself. Surely after lightning strikes twice he'll be finally exposed as not only overrated but also the most boring flop?
Moscovite
Spurious - bale was so productive for us last season because avb developed him from great PL player to a world superstar and built the team around him accordingly. Unfortunately we all know what happened in the summer and we had to basically start again with a whole raft of new players. Anyone with a brain could see it was going to take a bit of time to intergrate them all and for the players themselves to settle in this country and the PL. We have done remarkably well to have the start we did but obviously its not the finished article yet. The only risk to this whole project is the fans losing patience. And thats a real risk.
StillRickyVilla
Fair enough Mattspurs1982, I didn't see that comment and I don't agree with it. That said i'm still willing to give our Portuguese gaffer until the New Year
SpursCraftyClown
Now even Stoke managed to do what we failed all season: score 3 goals. You gotta be kidding me.
Moscovite
SRV - I agree with what you say. The only difference amongst most Spurs fans appears to be how long is long enough before patience runs out. For some it's already happened, some are close to tipping over the edge now and some feel it's still too soon. What is certain is that the number whose patience has run out is growing with each poor performance bereft of any incisive attacking intent. Today didn't help. We attacked but without any real incisiveness or conviction that we would actually score.
SpuriousLife
How many more times do we have to say it - WE'VE ONLY STARTED WELL DUE TO PENALTIES / LUCK!! Take that 9 points away and we're in a relegation fight. Yes reality is we got the penalties (just as we'll cos we can't score in a brothel) and it looks good on paper (so avb has said 4 times this week). Reckon he's got till the start of the Jan window to sort it or he's gone
mattspurs1982
Look I do understand frustrations BUT the problems we were experiencing before was that we play it too slow, no width no chances created. However, this HAS improved in recent games. We had very good chances today, we moved it quick it was just an unbelievable performance from Krul. Also, all players an management have said how they realise this is a problem and are working on it. That's good enough for me. Signs are already there for improvement, obviously still some way to go but as long as we keep in touch while we are improving is all that matters. Right now, WE ARE in touch, FACT
BrooksySpurs
Look I do understand frustrations BUT the problems we were experiencing before was that we play it too slow, no width no chances created. However, this HAS improved in recent games. We had very good chances today, we moved it quick it was just an unbelievable performance from Krul. Also, all players an management have said how they realise this is a problem and are working on it. That's good enough for me. Signs are already there for improvement, obviously still some way to go but as long as we keep in touch while we are improving is all that matters. Right now, WE ARE in touch, FACT
BrooksySpurs
No need to sack AVB, that is madness, before the game some posters gave up when they saw the teamsheet, cannot admit defeat even before the game started. We played well second half and the keeper did well, Eriksen should have scored, Townsend did provide crosses but when he should have provided a cross he decided to shoot when soldado was better placed, it doesn't matter if Benteke would have been purchased, still would not have made a difference, people would still be moaning about not scoring, something needs to change but not the manager
Kong
Spurious - yep I agree. Its the problem with the modern age everybody wants everything NOW! You only have to look at the ridiculous knee-jerk comments on here. The problem is fan negativity WILL and IS having an impact. Especially at home. Personally u have to give AVB at least another year with this brand new squad. Its the price u pay for selling ur best players (modric, VDV, bale) and bringing in a load of good (but not as good) replacements. We just have to accept its going to take time - even if the fans find it frustrating.
StillRickyVilla
IMO....We need to be more clinical in shots at goal.. their keeper saved shots that were directly at him, about 4 were saved by him stretching / diving..a fair bit of luck for him as well (bar & posts etc. saved him). Again we were against a keeper inspired.. but we should have won this game... Lamela needed to come on, townsend to left side.crosses in.. ericson was not too good, Sandro a beast as usual...Ade now needs to play, and we will see how motivated he is...Training ground and practice games, to be more intensive, against park the bus style teams...as they had most of their players ..9.. behind the ball when we attacked. Our lack of quick forward passing showed again... AVB has work to do now on the forward players...shoot across the goal, or more power / swerve balls in straight line shots, sad to say JD will never learn how to play the offside game to his advantage... Ade has to start playing.. Chadi / Townsend on left side, Lennon right side / lamela. as well..

All spurs fans..lets not be too downhearted.. we have to expect a few losses in this season, as all PL teams are improving.. now 7 or 8 can try for top 4 places.. and a strong squad will prove to be vital in the run in Feb to April. We still have a lot more games to play,points to win, as other teams around us will drop points... COYS
Block D Spurs
Its a pity Newcastle didn't have Friedal in goal.
matt hoten
BrooksySpurs, i would not call it an unbelievable performance from krul, most of the shots were straight at him , only 2 were great but not exactly worldy saves like Seamans save against Sheffield United, or Schmeichel's famous claw off the line, we made him look good, as i said in a above post, our players are taking too long to shoot and look nervy without confidence, this gives the keeper more time to adjust. AVB needs to work on our confidence in those situations, the more we draw blanks the more players will panick in front of goal. I still think calling for AVB'S sacking is very premature in the whole scheme of things though, let him try and overcome his first rough patch with us at least.
spurfect one
So are we saying that the board is as much to blame for what is going on, as AVB is. I think we are going backwards at the moment and do think we will struggle getting anywhere with the owners. The stadium has taken forever to get going and still no plans set in stone on when or if it will get done. Talk is cheap with them. They have not invested their own money for years.
nothappyharry
To compare... Man Utd have their same squad of players., when fergi was there. David moys came in, and they had a bad start from what they are used to.. but 2nd half of season should see them in top 5...we just need that one game where 90% of our shots are accurate / well placed.. and we score a shed load... then we will be up in confidence and wining...in style.
Block D Spurs
Topho - as soon as the likes of lamela and erikssen settle into life in the PL and step up and become the next bale and modric. It took those 2 a couple of years at least to become world class for us. Or perhaps ur man Townsend can develop into world class. But it sure as hell aint gonna be overnight. I love our strong midfield thats dominating other teams and our defence is awesome.
StillRickyVilla
I was at the game today and second half was probably the best we have played all season, Krul man of the match. Tempo was right and with Sandro sitting in front of back four we looked solid in the second half. Once AVB has a full squad to choose from we can start to judge. Today no Loris, Rose and Sandro and Kabul from the bench.
Chelmspur
Topho - it is not an excuse if a goalkeeper played well, he actually played well and got man of the match. I agree he saved shots he should have saved but still played well. We had enough chances to score and should have scored, soldado should have done better with his first header and Eriksen with his chance, everything else wasn't meant to be, we hit the bar, the rebounds didn't go for us, today the luck was not with us. Second half was much better.
Kong
I want to see us with a fast tempo from the start and not just if we go behind, the way we play we need to score first. Sandro or capoue need to okay every game. Time for changes on the teamsheet.
Kong
Bottom line as fans is that we can control ONE thing. And thats the level of support we give the players make them feel invincible and make playing at WHL a nightmare for the opposition. Or we can moan at the first opportunity or sit their quietly and transmit nervous energy to the players. Some 'fan' comment about 'happy clappers' above just about sums it up. Will never understand we have a REAL role to play but some choose to reduce our chances by being negative at WHL. Amazes me as we all want to win!
StillRickyVilla
My point was that the money spent by the board was from the Bale sale. I would rather them have kept their word and made Bale stay and then spend a bit of their own money on one or two players than the wholesale changes that have happened. I think if the board would have opened up the cheque book in the last two January windows and brought in one quality player we would have qualified for champions league football.
nothappyharry
Topho - well both bale and modric took at least 2 years to get there. Bale couldnt get a game remember? And modric was deemed to lightweight and was stuck on wing. It takes time. Lamela is a 21 year old not only new to PL but new to England and dont speak a word of english! Give him a break and let him settle in. If u dont think we dominated that game today theres no point in talking to you. One of the most one-sided games ive ever seen particularly 2nd half.
StillRickyVilla
This is directed at the 90% of you out there who are really *****ing me off with your comments atm.....!!! Are you the same bunch of 'supporters' that were banging on about how exited you were with the squad we have and how we are going to have a great season? Granted we have lost 2 games at home and that hasn't happened in a while. Personally i think that all those calling for AVB's head need a wake up call. You were the ones calling for HR's head and now we lose 2 games we need to get rid of him? You are slating Townsend, the bloke you were raving about a fortnight ago. Slating Eriksen, the bloke you were raving about two weeks ago. You need to a miracle worker to please you. I have no doubt we will be there or there about's at the end of the season. Man city lost today and i bet that they aren't calling for Pellegrini's head. I bet they aren't calling for JM's head after losing to NUFC and drawing to WBA. you need to get a grip!!!
woodyn17
Rant over
woodyn17
I cannot believe what people are going on about on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! WTF we had 31 shots, 21 on target and 5 worldies from Krul. Lost 1-0 @ home to Newcastle. So? Cannot understand your animosity to AVB AND THE TEAM. I'm off to find a more sensible Spurs site. Have a good life and TRY TO BE OPTIMISTIC. spurs since mid 50's. GOD HELP OUR TEAM IF YOU WERE AROUND THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BYEEEEEE
longtimespur
longtime - i bet 50% of the posters on this site have never been to the lane let alone Tottenham!!
woodyn17
Surely for any proper Spurs fan, it is not the fact we've lost again at home to another club we were expected to beat. It is all about the way we play. We are not the pragmatist N5/Woolwich merchants (although I heard someone purporting to support us on the radio who said he didn't care how we played so long as we won-disgraceful), and we expect our team to entertain FIRST, LAST AND EVERY TIME. Patently, this is not happening, which may account for S. Villas-Boas being so unnecessarily touchy after today's game, when it was innocently suggested by Alan Pardew that the Europa League had an effect on performance. He acted as though Pardew had undermined him, and it was rather pathetic to see, and obviously he is reverting to his hunched BadChelsea demeanour. Oh dear.
5thcolumnist
Previously the problem was a lack of attempts on goal. This time we had loads of chances. This represents progress over three last performance even if we did lose. The problem this time was the finishing/GK performance. With every shot there is a large probability that it'll be saved. Occasionally you don't score even with a lot of shots. Today could have been 4:0 with no improvement in performance but a bit more luck (I beg that nobody here starts talking about AVB not 'making luck'). How would your perception of the performance have changed then? Anyway, I wonder how many people on here commenting on the match actually saw it or even watched it on TV. Let's see if we can move on to the next stage to become a bit more clinical. We generally don't concede so any minor improvement in goal yield would see us heading up the table. Calling for AVB's head before the signings have acclimatised is a bit hysterical. Sometimes I wonder what you lot do for a living.
aycee
just like I said last week the attack is stale we need ade back asap why only 1 striker all the time ??
stephenspurs1210
Point is 5th that these players need to bed in before we judge them. I remember how crap Anderson was for the first half season then with confidence he was incredible. Better ball delivery than Beckham but people were calling for him to be dropped. I also remember Dumitrescu and how people loved him at first before defenders realised he would cut inside every time (inverted wingers is another topic). Give it time son!! Relax!
aycee
We still have 20 points, the same as this stage last season. We are still in the mix and other clubs round us lost points too, yes it was a disappointing result but we move on, still 5 points from top but it is a close league, yes we can still say 5 points from top because if we were 5 points from bottom most of you would be banging on about it, we are still in the mix and we have tough games coming, bring them on
Kong
The trouble with Ade coming back is that at the moment Spurs is a sort of sideline for him , a sort of background hobby that he might turn to when he gets fed up with all the other more interesting things he does in his life.
matt hoten
Woodyn17. Zackly mate. Paxton road (left side) - most of them wouldn't know where that is.
aycee
I do wish Eriksen was dropped to centre mid if we need a goal in 2nd half, someone like Lamela on for Dembele today for example... Lamela would've gone on the wing, Sigurdssen in the hole, Eriksen centre orchestrating like Modric used to. Anyway, we're still progressing... Players still learning to play together, we need a BIG forward, (in Jan) that can play and cause defences problems on his own... and if anyone can, AVB can see what deficiencies we currently have and attempt to put them right, develop and improve our squad and the way we play, over time. You can see changes and development in every game, IMO anyway.
ledders77
The bottom 3 have scored as many goals as us. Nuff said. Those fans on here that are happy with 1-0, bore off cos that's not the tottenham way. Go support Jose down the road
mattspurs1982
Woodyn, I was at the lane, but be careful just because someone isn't doesn't make them less of a supporter, money/logistics mean lots of fans who would like to go can't. Capetown and Durban being classic cases in point. As I said let's see where we are when AVB has full squad to choose from.
Chelmspur
No intelligent statement has ever been completed with 'nuff said' or 'fact', fact.
aycee
Matt that wasn't directed at you by the way.
aycee
Topho I'm concentrating on your post when you stated "wheres the buddy club? In a meeting". If you're going to say something like that than at least have the guts to name the so called "buddy club" when I questioned you about the "buddy club" you insinuated I was in it by saying "where's the rest". You are a snivelling piece of $hit and a coward. Name the buddy club or shut the phuck up. Everyone will do VS a service by ignoring your posts. Don't feed the troll. COYS!
James1
We have scored the same as the bottom three but are on 20 points, big difference, Jose down the road is only one point ahead of us.
Kong
Aycee - haha no worries and i tend to agree. I'm just a frustrated fan wishing it would all click and we realise our true potential. Nuff said ;-)
mattspurs1982
That us the thing, the true potential is there which is way frustrations are high.
Kong
mattspurs, it's called work in progress. and it's not like we can do THAT much different. you wanna go 442 and play both soldado and defoe? defoe shouldn't be anything more than 3rd choice or impact sub, for us anyway. What's he gonna do? Ade's... well, no one knows what the *****'s going on with Ade. What other options have we got? We haven't got anyone like Aguero, van Persie, Rooney, etc... Hopefully we get a big striker that can rattle opposition defences and create his own chances but till then, work with what we've got which is a beautiful squad full of talent and potential. never before have we been able to put out TWO very good teams. Anyway... we're doing ok both domestically, (including a very competitive league) and in Europe, even though we're nowhere near our peak, the future's bright. Nuff said.
ledders77
mattspurs, after ur last comment i take back the "it's called work in progress" and replace the last full stop with a question mark. didn't mean to have a go!
ledders77
Aycee....how much time should we give it? 2 home defeats against West Ham and Newcastle. Both games we absolutely dominated posession and had more chances. Lets just wait until we are 10th or 12th in the league, then panic. As for players bedding in, Soldado plays in a team that is the Euro and World champions. Paulinho is a Brazilian international. I can understand giving Lamela and Eriksen time, they are young and lightweight. We have the best right winger in the league for the past few seasons (Lennon) and he can't get a game. Instead, see the article 'inverted wingers', we persist with Townsend on the right and Siggi on the left. They both cut in on their stronger foot, easy to read for the defence. This is unbalancing the team and narrowing the play instead of creating width. Lamela or Townsend should be on the left and Lennon on the right. We have no threat down the left, except when Verts came down the left more in the second half. There is nothing wrong with the system, but putting the wrong players in the right position is having negative effects. Right now, I would rather us go back to 4-4-2 and get back to basics. Remember last season, everyone was raving about Sandro and Dembele together before Sandro got injured. AVB's tactics have been very iffy this season. I hope he can see its not working, if he can't then he is not the man to take us forward.
vicspur
Frank!! (I need to watch how I write this piece). None of us and I mean NONE of us are happy content (or whatever description you've used) that Tottenham lost. Some of us are just more balanced patient or resilient than others. Doesn't make us blind or welcoming of defeats. Sometimes that mindset of your likes beggars.... Great post Geof. Very well said. ***** result and I feel crap about losing. I want to win every game especially against the likes of Newcastle. I will keep the faith and reserve judgement until we are much further than 10 EPL games into the season. If that makes me an idiotic blind faithed happy clapping spurs fan then that's what I am and proud of it and feck all of you!!!
strawboy
I suggest our brilliant manager is re-acquainted with our motto. Just a thought.
5thcolumnist
vicspur, agree on most of ur points but on ur first question... we give it time. surely we can see progress, (as well as negatives granted) in every game. Lennon's only just come back. Lamela and Chiriches showed marked improvement in the last couple weeks. KaBoom and KaPow still getting up to speed but doing it well. The wingers are finding their way. Let's not forget our squad is really young. I do agree with ppl about the inverted wingers, wish we'd mix it up a bit more with regular wingers, but correct me if I'm wrong, think I saw a lot more crosses than on previous games this season.
ledders77
Some of our new fans should read up on our history and understand that we're a club with a culture for flamboyant courageous football not 1:0s - winning 4:3 is a proper result. There is a part of me that misses the days when we'd spend millions on an attacker but still have a defence worth about three quid. Ardiles' 4-1-5 formation was a disaster but brilliant entertainment. We do need to see more adventurous football i accept but getting upset over a result? Get used to it boys and girls because unlike other clubs this isn't a 'results based industry'. An arsenal fan would kick his kid in the head because he failed his French exam - a Spurs fan congratulates him for wasting all his time trying to get off with Sarah Leong in lessons (my loooooordd that girl was fit). Glory in defeat.
aycee
Some of our new fans should read up on our history and understand that we're a club with a culture for flamboyant courageous football not 1:0s - winning 4:3 is a proper result. There is a part of me that misses the days when we'd spend millions on an attacker but still have a defence worth about three quid. Ardiles' 4-1-5 formation was a disaster but brilliant entertainment. We do need to see more adventurous football i accept but getting upset over a result? Get used to it boys and girls because unlike other clubs this isn't a 'results based industry'. An arsenal fan would kick his kid in the head because he failed his French exam - a Spurs fan congratulates him for wasting all his time trying to get off with Sarah Leong in lessons (my loooooordd that girl was fit). Glory in defeat.
aycee
Some of the comments here are more depressing than today's result, sack him sack him. You assume it's off younger impulsive fans who are just dumb and irrational. Unfortunatly not. Is anyone happy today? Of course not but we don't have a defined wright to win. Jeez just wait till the end of the season
gatch75
Ledders, good points,especially the squad age, I think it averages out about 24 or 25, Dawson is the eldest at 29 (excluding Friedal of course). Is this the youngest ever Spurs squad. I can see progress in the last few games, absolute nonsense to talk about AVB being dismissed. May 2015 may be a suitable time to consider his position
matt hoten
Thing is AVB's system would work wonders if our 4 most attacking players were basically better. But our attacking players are mostly still finding their feet, (Townsend, Lamela, Eriksen etc), are coming back from injury, (Lennon, Chadli, Ade?) or are a little lacking, (Defoe, Sigurdssen - debatable, Ade?). Maybe he needs to adjust the defensive / attacking balance to take this into account. Until more of them are firing and/ or get another striker a la good Ade... Mix up the wingers style and drop Eriksen or Holtby into the centre here and there.
ledders77
strawboy Well said. I'm right with you there mate.
chrishove123
Spot on gatch75. COYS!
James1
Don't feed the the troll. COYS!
James1
Double post possibly something to do with the Guinness. Vic I reckon we should give him until the end of the season to get the team playing in the Tottenham way. Next year we can insist on results. Love Lennon by the way - that is a proper spurs player. Townsend is pointless. Like a top of the range Hyundai - looks fast if you know nothing about cars. Just waiting for the flair players to get going. Like you said - Lam on the left and Lennon on the right. Hope Ade is with a good psychiatrist by the way - that boy is bipolar or my name is Dave. Banishment to the youth team isn't great treatment for depression.
aycee
Cheers matt, couldn't find any stats anywhere but it's gotto be near the youngest, I agree. What I love is the combination of youth and talent our squad currently has. It's gonna be a very interesting season... looking at the league today ***** the top 4, there's 8 or 9 very good teams out there. Especially if u bear in mind those not playing in Europe have an advantage.
ledders77
aycee, agree on Townsend, the lad needs to think TEAM more
ledders77
Why would anyone troll a website? They need to watch more porn.
aycee
Hmmm all those who say Krul didn't do anything special. ........ for 90 minutes this gripping Premier League encounter was dominated by another goalkeeper, with Tim Krul making the impossible seem possible at times and almost single-handedly inspiring Newcastle United to victory...................................... Everyone in the media and football seems to think differently, so where does that leave all of you???????.
chrishove123
Funny isn't it, even Krul says so too. ......... But Tottenham simply could not beat Krul. In the Dutchman's own words, it was the finest performance of his career.
chrishove123
If AVB could be faulted today it stems from his spell at Chelsea. He seems to over compensate in the light of his experience there. It was clear from his pre match interview that a couple of players were on borrowed time but he would stick with them for another game.... Siggy, Dembele, and Townsend must now be expected to stand down.
jacobslad
tophobunty, just constructive criticism I hope... I've always rooted for Townsend, for years now... he'd be all the better if he lost a bit of that selfish side though. Don't want another Defoe. Anyone see what happened between Defoe and Verts today? Maybe Vertonghen also gets frustrated with Defoe.
ledders77
AVB got it wrong with the starting line up, no Sandro or Capoue? Siggy wide on the left when we have Lennon and Lamela available? Brings Defoe on instead of Lamela? Clueless, sack him. Pellegrini lost to Sunderland and Cardiff, sack him. Maureen should have lost to WBA at home, sack him too. There are better managers here that know better, some have never kicked a ball but oh boy, can they hit that keyboard.
ItalianYiddo
Stop phucking avoiding the question you spineless****. Who is in the imaginary "buddy club". You thought you was clever and it has backfired. Troll abuse..I'm abusing you..oh the pack is on me ..ohhh please. How many times have you banned? I wonder why. Give us the names. I'm sure there are some who are interested including me. COYS!
James1
Forget AVB. The real root of the problem is that tophobunty needs a girlfriend who understands his separation anxiety and won't ignore him even when he constantly demands attention by saying things that irritate her just to get a reaction. Hug a troll day.
aycee
I thought Soldado had another good game and was sooo unlucky to come up against a sooo in form goalie. The soldier can fire the gun, but first he needs the bullets,
jacobslad
Yes I'm on your case because everyone needs to know you're a nasty piece of work. COYS!
James1
topho you panic so easily. Keep Calm and Carry On supporting AVB. We lost a game we should have won. Its that sort of PL this year. We are 5 points adrift of 1st and 1 point adrift of 4th.
jacobslad
Trust me topho I'm gonna be your worst nightmare. The The troll becomes the hunted. COYS!
James1
ITK tells me that Lloris was fine, but Brad got the shout because he served in WW1 and it was Remembrance Day.
jacobslad
Anyone see what happened between Defoe and Verts? Just saw Defoe's reaction. Don't mean to stir, just thought it was funny.
ledders77
Topho, Yes Townsend is a huge talent. Unfortunatley he has been chucked out to God knows how many clubs on loan and came back no better with the exception of QPR last year(add that to your excuses). I think he will get better with more games especially now AVB is responsible for his coaching.
matt hoten
Topho..be patient. There are plenty of games to come.
jacobslad
Players to be "rested" not because they are bad players but we have other players that deserve their chance. In order of need of rest: Townsend, Dembele, Siggy, Dawson, Paulinho.
ItalianYiddo
21.30
jacobslad
Jacob, thats very funny , and I presume he survived the war because rather than coming out of the trenches he stayed on his line. Topho, the AVB bit was put in specially for you
matt hoten
topho, i dont need to be part of the "buddy club", as you obviously do.. which makes you a typical example of a fickle spurs fan. I have been going to WHL since the 70's and have stood on the shelf, lower east stand many times watching players like cyril (nice one) knowles, terry (meat hook) naylor, and of course Glen (our boy) Hoddle, Ossie etc. In fact my season ticket seat is directly above where i and others used to stand. So i have been used to watching exciting football.. Hoddle's 40 yd pinpoint passes ... Jurgen flying down the wings.

However since our last cup win, 2008 ( a 7 year wait for that) we have not won any silverware,, and Premier League is now far more competitive and very much a business, since those days of football legends. Harry tried the exciting football, and yes we did make the 1/4 finals of CL.. and yet we failed .. cos of our lack of squad depth in quality players, which we have now... So as i have supported AVB since day 1, we are going in a different direction and a rebuild of a squad and cohesion of players cannot be done in 3 months. I would rather we win ugly and be in the top 4 or 5 while trying to play as our history records. It will get better, as the saying goes.. the darkest hours are the ones before the dawn.. we are entering the darkest hours.. it will be the new year till we can see our players displaying the long overdue spurs tradition of wining (exciting play)and glory..
Block D Spurs
topho, I honestly believe we had a watershed game today. After the break we will see more of Capoue and Lamela. Less of Siggy and Dembele. To be honest I am more concerned about Eriksen than Soldado.
jacobslad
Topho you are the most abusive person on the site and I'm sick and tired of your smart remarks and put downs. You abuse the system and have total disregard to VS rules. You've been banned countless times and yet you defy the bans and stick two fingers up to the administrators and to the posters on this site. I just wish you was banned for life. You think you are better than VS and the posters here. You are the very sort who loves to upset people. You are vindictive, nasty piece of work. You're Weak and a bully and I detest you. The sooner you're gone the better. If I get banned than so be it but I will abide the rules set by this site. You sir is a jumped up, smirking piece of *****. So many good posters, nice people who avoid this site because of people like you. I wish people wouldn't respond to your posts. I for one won't ever again but trust me, I will be watching. If you try to bully people I will be on you. COYS!
James1
matt..there be a few old Spurs fans having a chuckle up there (I hope!).
jacobslad
As I said none are bad players, but we have other players that deserve their chance. In Townsend case, Lamela. Townsend needs to learn to look before deciding to shoot, today was no different. Lamela can offer more and so can Lennon, his time will come but he needs to work on his team play.
ItalianYiddo
Eriksen will come good, my season ticket mate was convinced that at the start of his Spurs career Modric was a poor buy.
ItalianYiddo
Off topic, but I was surprised to see Van Persie so exuberant when he scored against his old club. Caulker was much more respectful to Swans, and Ronaldo to ManU.
jacobslad
Topho..you ask me how patient? Now, I would never compare anyone to the great Bill Nick, but he played for the club for many years, was first team coach in 1955, manager in 1958....and bloody hell it took him another 2 years to win anything. Fortunately for him we didn't have VS.
jacobslad
I 2nd that emotion topho.
jacobslad
Krul said that today's match was the highlight of his career. They beat the special one last week 2-0, yet today was his special day. We all know that all is not well but surely not as bad as some here make out.
ItalianYiddo
We have seen Arsenal, Man U and City lose games that should have been won and they all have "gelled" teams. ***** happens ......
ItalianYiddo
Jacob, another good point about Bill NIck. Also the pace of the game was much slower than, much easier for players to "gell". I notice Ozul who "gelled" straight away now looks like he is starting to "ungell" . Bloke looks knackered. Wheres that Galway prat tonight.
matt hoten
Like I said..I'll be watching. As for the game Newcastle were lucky and we deserved at least a point. Newcastle did little and got lucky. Townsend had an indifferent game. Good in parts but he needs to work on his service. Again Soldao was starved and I think it's time to either drop Townsend for Lamela or push him wide left. I'm afraid Siggy had little ball and when he did he was poor. Worst game I've seen him play. Eriksen did ok. Set pieces were awful though by his standard. He drilled in a couple of beauties into the box out wide but Paulinho and Soldado failed to take advantage. Also Eriksen should have scored. Walker did well, overlapping Townsend providing support. Dembele is a ghost of his former self. Nothing like the player at Fulham. He needs to play a more advanced role and allow Holtby or a fit again Capoue tonplsy alongside Paulinho. Clearly we have a problem left side but Verts again was immense. Once Rose comes back and we will be better balanced. There are a few people calling for AVB's head. I think that is a little premature. He and the team needs time and whether whether you like it or not, he will get the backing. COYS!
James1
Lol, Topho, something tells me you've facked off yet another member. I admit that I was mildly interested who's in this so called buddy club. But I'll live since you're unable to name names or repeat the names you've called but we've all missed. You used to write some really insightful posts, I used to look forward and look out for your posts. I think I even sided with you once or twice when you and Coops were at it. I think you've had a run in with just about everyone on here. To me that says more about you than it does about your ridiculous imaginary buddy club committee thing. I actually agree with a lot of stuff you write, I am just baffled by the belligerent way you go about making your point. Surely you are not like this away from the forum.
strawboy
I have calmed down just a couple of notches and will not fully recover until we win our next game......long wait!.

I started watching the match 15 minutes in and we were already a goal down. The first set of stats that appeared on the screen showed, Newcastle 4 attempts against our 1. Now, that a) annoyed me, b) concerned me. WHY and HOW? That leads me to my point..... WHY do we start of soooo slow, tippy-tappy, testing the oppo gently with a prod here and there? One slip during that time (like today) and we are behind! Continuing on my theme,.... AVB praises our defensive record and praises our goal scoring in EL. Now if our defence and midfield are so strong that we rarely conceded, then how do we rectify if we DO concede FIRST as we are less likely to score?......in PL!

The display of 2nd half was good....in fact very good and MUCH improved over recent performances. Just a shame that we failed to find the net. SO WHY didn’t we (and don’t usually) start with that intention and intensity from the off?.

As someone asked before, suggest how to fix our problem.... My suggestion would be start more positively (NOT allowing oppo time to settle), Score first (get that confidence flowing) and put the game to bed early. Instead (like today) we end up chasing the game....AT HOME?!! Winning breeds confidence, but results like today are kicks in the goolies!
Critical_Spur
Next game I would like to see like to see a team that features Lloris, Kaboul, Vertonghen, Rose and Walker (no other viable option), Sandro, Townsend on left, Lamela on right.
iwear#10
schmeic#1 (Manchester United): "Thought the spurs fans got what they deserved today. If youre going to get on players backs for every little thing they do wrong expect to continue your years of failure. At a time where spurs actually look like they could really do something to not get behind them is incredible, its almost as if having a good team has created panic and youre just not sure what youre meant to do, keep doing it though its great for us. Tim Krul was awesome though by the way."
ItalianYiddo
Cant believe some of you don’t see how lucky we are to have such a tactically astute manager that we have, the man is a genius. Things don’t work he changes a few players, it continues not to work he changes a few more, it carries on not working and he brings players back in that it was not working for at the beginning lets rinse and repeat.
MatJspur
I still think we have a great squad, if they are not preforming there can only be one reason for that
MatJspur
We talking about sacking another manager now? IMO AVB has made mistakes, but I don't like how it seems he's under more pressure from Spurs fans than Moyes is from Man Utd fans. Something not right about that.
Guyver
Guyver, Spurs have more keyboard managers than Man U.
ItalianYiddo
Most saves by a keeper since the start of the PL, are we really as bad as people make out?
ItalianYiddo
Here's some stats for you to sleep over with: 73 - Tottenham Hotspur have fired in 73 shots on target this season; more than any other team in the Premier League. 14 - Tim Krul made 14 saves in this game, the most by any Premier League keeper in a single game since 2006/07. The previous record (13) belonged to Marshall by the way (also achieved against Tottenham). Our finishing is sickeningly poor, our possession is totally useless, our set pieces are absolute crap and our joke of a manager is completely clueless. That's Tottenham 2013 for you in all its glory. Good night.
Moscovite
Shearer reckons reckons we should do better having spent 100m, the fact that we received 100m or so from player sales including the best player in the PL is of course incidental.
ItalianYiddo
krul made at least three saves that were world class, while we had a few chances that we should have finished off. how the deflected free kick from siggy didn't go in i will never know. motd is so bad, they literally regurgitate media *********... townsend is a super star (no assists or goals from shots though) defoe is a world class striker and it makes no sense that he is on the bench (1 goal from the last 20 PL appearances is it?) and friedel is still fantastic, lol
Guernman
You got to laugh, KGB man says that the most saves recorded are by two keepers that played Spurs in the same season and yet the manager is clueless. Give the job to the KGB keyboard warrior and Spurs win the league.
ItalianYiddo
You were Banned for having an opinion? Or Banned because you were a little over zealous with those opinions? I don't care enough to email the moderator, who I'm assuming is Ox. I'm assuming that this committee is everyone you've had a brush with. James1 Coops Peterballb, Chrishove BlockD or BigC and me? And yes I know your posts are still insightful. You predicted during the window that certain players would struggle. I think you were 100% behind AVB back then but 11 EPL games on and you sound like you have given up. I'm a fighter by nature and I won't give up on us getting being top 3 come seasons end, even if you think otherwise. You may well prove to be right, but I can't agree with your posts so early into the season. Dare I say it, but this time last year or year before weren't Arsenal really struggling for points languishing somewhere where united and city currently occupied before today's game. A decent run is all it took. Do you think united city and soton will end the season in their current positions. Where do you think we'll end the season? There's a lot of football to be played T.
strawboy
Guernman, a lot of work to be done, who's doubting it. Were we going to be brilliant with 9 (7+2) players coming in from day one? You have to be naive or in cuckoo land to think that a bunch of strangers we were going to click immediately.
ItalianYiddo
There are so many knee jerkers on here it is not funny. Yes, I hate it that we lost the game. Nobody is happy about that. But we played very well in the second half. It is a cliche phrase but we did batter them. Sometimes I think I watched a different game. Yes, the ball may have been directed away from Krul a bit more by our players but he did make a string of world class saves.

The way I see it, it is not black or white. Yes AVB could have done better with the selections but 2 of his subs were forced. Also, the players could have started better, more intensity. I also think our starting lineups can be better but AVB sees them in practice, we don't. You all know my pre-game war-cry of WINX3. All I care about is the 3 points. I am upset we did not get a single point but to call for AVB's head is just typical of the fickle I want it now mentality of so many current day supporters. Give AVB and our players time. Support the team fully. Enjoy the game a bit. I enjoyed the second half. I even had a chuckle to myself towards the end because I knew we were not going to score today:-(

So I reckon some of you just need to take a chill pill because AVB and the players are doing their best and I truly believe that. COME ON YOU SPURS & we will WIN more soon. OK, back to work.
Madaboutspurs
In answer to your question, ItalianYiddo..NO, we were not as bad as so many on here make out. We were pretty good second half.
Madaboutspurs
mattspurs1982 Maybe we would be scoring shedloads, BUT we would be shipping two shedloads and losing or drawing in the last minute of the games we would otherwise have won, as was very often the case with him.
chrishove123
micky58 MOTM was Krul.
chrishove123
Hello fellow posters. I restrained myself from posting right after the match just to prevent myself from writing something I could regret very soon...Today´s result, at the end of the day (after all it is 23h15 in Brazil...), is not what matters to me. What annoys me and leave me worried about the future is that I always considered AVB as an intelligent person and such a person is the one wise enough and humble enough to learn from his own mistakes. Unfortunately, it does not to seem the case of our Head Coach. Moreover, he might be sending a wrong message to players who sit on the bench in PL matches but start Cup matches which is "No matter how good you played, no matter MOTM status, you will be not starting sunday". Yes, it is right that we might have stuffed 3 goals past Krull in clear cut chances (Eriksen, Paulinho and Kaboul)...yes again, it is right that we played a 2nd half better than our 1st half. Yes, it is true that we were very unlucky with Vlad´s bleeding nose that forced AVB to an undesirable subs. Yes, it is beyond my understanding supporting the decision to keep Lloris on the pitch just to drop him today, after spending a whole week stating that that was a well weighted up decision. What I cannot really understand from AVB´s tactics is his lack of learning. If a well-organized side comes to WHL with the clear intention to park a double-decker bus, the best way to breal this is playing from the wings with true wingers. We have these resources: Townsend and Lamela...use them properly. Siggs is not a LW. He is a midfielder, one more to overcrowd a part of the pitch which looks like the Wall of China...Why does he want to play Dembele and Paulinho together as we had already saw that Sandro works better with Paulinho. This was a mistake to evident that Dembele didn´t come back to 2nd half...Finally, Defoe to play along with Soldado ?? He should have tried Lamela to give Soldado more scoring options. AVB cannot give himself the luxury of stubborbness with only 9 goals in 11 matches and 2 home defeats. Results can change from sunday to sunday but the way we get prepared for matches no. I am behind you AVB, but you should rethink your vision about how PL football works.
AlexSpur
Sorry for the long post. I didn´t realized it got so long till I actually posted it.
AlexSpur
AlexSpur - totally agree with you. I'd quite like to see Sandro, Paulinho and Capoue in a 433 midfield, and yes, Townsend and Lamela playing as WINGERS. And it's 10:40 am in Western Australia!!
Geofspurs
http://www1.skysports.com/football/live/match/295733/analysis

"Sigurdsson, especially, was shockingly ineffective against Newcastle. In the first half, he touched the ball just 17 times - the lowest total of any Spurs outfield player - and incredibly played only eight passes, of which amazingly just three were in Newcastle's half. His average position also saw him fail to cross the halfway line before the break. When Sigurdsson had sliced a wretched 64th minute shot high over the crossbar and into the White Hart Lane stands it summed up Tottenham's afternoon. The Icelandic international was substituted five minutes later having won only 20% of his 10 duels, touched the ball just 26 times, played a miserable 11 passes and failed to ever play a successful pass to Soldado."

This time there was no goal from siggy to mask how ineffective he was from the left. I hope not to see him played there for a good while.
Guyver
I was emotionally the lowest yesterday with regards to our club. What ever I did, after the game I was depressed & angered. Today is no better.

I still believe AVB is the man to lead us over this period. But what gets me is, sometimes he is just too stubborn to look at what goes around him.

While we say our team needs time to gel, how can they gel when the key prospects are not played ? Lamela should have started yesterday. If not yesterday, how can we expect him start against City or United. I dont think he will start against them either.

What is AVB achieveing by keeping him out ?

I DO NOT WANT TO SEE DEMBELE in CM role ever. Dembele is the reason why we have such slow build up play. He is the reason why we give away cheap goals, like as yesterday.

Just sell the bloke and get someone who can play CM.

We are the 3rd worst in goal scoring. 9 in 11 games is embarrassing for a Spurs side. To think Suarez has scored 8 in 6 games makes me so uncomfortable.

We are going back as a team and since Anzhi trip we have been woeful.

To think that we had our best atrtacking display in 2nd half, yet we couldnt score is depressing.

And most depressing aspect is AVB seems not to realise whats going on. Unless he realises his tactics & team selection are letting us down, we will not recover from this slump and will probably finish 8th. We still have a chance to redeem this woeful goal scoring form. For that AVB has put his hand up and take a hard look at himself.
sydqcb5
679 comments got to be up there
Uskok
wow, rereading my post, can't believe the amount of time I used the word 'depressed' :(
sydqcb5
The only positive yesterday, if at all there is any is come back of Kaboul. He is going to be so important to us. Another positive is ever improving Chiriches. He is easily our best signing of this window, till now. But looks like Chriciches has a fractured nose and is out of Romania WC play off game
sydqcb5
679 comments got to be up there
Uskok
sydqcb5, completely agree with what you wrote about Dembele, he is becoming a liability who loses the ball to often and as you say slows us down, we should build the team around Sandro imo.
spurfect one
Dembele cannot nor should play CM. He can glide past players granted, but once the space slowly is denied panic mode kicks in and he either tries to make passes that are not on or gets tackled. Don't know where his confidence has gone, afterall this was the player that last season looked like the Modric deal made for good business. Many comparative reports emerged early doors and they pointed towards Dembele at Spurs outshining Modric at Real. He tore utd a new one and was a joy to watch. That's the Moose we need back, how we do it is down to the player and coach. Get his mojo back, and i'll have to admit, that he too could look like a new signing. Let's hope all our lads return from International break fit and raring to go, with a new sense of drive, commitment and desire. Lamela IMO should have played a part Yesterday. If we can't deploy him after a MOTM performance mid week, do you really think it a good call to drop him into the mix with what could be potentially 2 of our biggest games of the season against Utd and City?.
Cider spurs
Morning Cider. Do you think Lamela should have come on instead of Defoe? COYS!
James1
Great article from Spooky......http://www.dearmrlevy.com/dml/2013/11/10/rip-pragmatism
Cider spurs
James1...IMO yes, Defoe can get you a goal from nowhere admittedly, but i feel Lamela ghosting in and around the box may have been the better option. In hindsight Defoe did not really offer anything when coming on.
Cider spurs
The table never lies we are where we are because that is how good our performances have been up to date. Dembele is not good enough to start PL games on his current form. We are still 2 quality forwards short, so nothing upfront has really changed in the last 4 years!! Remy showed us what we are missing in his 1sr half performance, sorry guys Soldado is far to slow for the PL. He is just not effective the way we are playing this season, it does not matter how good a finisher he was in La liga if our style dos'nt suit his play. Defoe is past his sell by date by a couple of years now, so that just leaves us the invisible man(Ade) and Kane. So disappointed in our first half performance, it reminded me of the very bad old days b4 Harry took over................COYS
WestStandEnclosure
Read a lot of the comments before I finally got to see game and was dreading watching,but really think it was not anywhere near as dire as some were making out,especially 2nd half.Played lots of games where didn't matter what we done couldn't score.Thought a lot of our approach play was a big improvement on our recent games.
sandroman
Have to agree with comments re Dembele,don't know why but just a shadow of the player that arrived here and his 1st few games,got a injured in a Belgium game and has never been the same since,the odd outstanding game but the fire seems to have gone out,actually looks disinterested a lot of the time and his quality of passing game has dropped away.Not good enough for me anymore to start.
sandroman
Iv'e said all along that players need time to gel but it's hard to gel when we've hardly put the same players out 2 games in a row, i'm most concerned at AVB's continuing to play players out of position,we've all said Siggy on the left is narrowing our attack,Noughton at L/B or Holtby in the hole,or the continued abuse of this inverted wingers when it clearly hasn't worked,Lennon's back from injury but still has started on the right,complete waste of time playing him in the left,never worked before,still not,so why? we should have a clearer idea by now of the 7/8 that make up the spine of the team,but u look at today and no Sandro starting ,or no time for Lamela after his performance the other day,so i'm still guessing game to game.
sandroman
When the opposition keeper is the clear man of the match it kinda says it all! Ordinarily we would have won that game 9 times out of 10. That being said Townsend is not in any way shape or form better than Lennon, he should be impact sub at best, Lennon on the right. Eriksen needs to beef up a little, Lamella needs game time and trust from AVB.
LongTimeSpursFan64
And get Adebayor back in the squad! COYS!
LongTimeSpursFan64
 

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