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SPURS vs NEWCASTLE.

Well...I'll bid you hello, good morning it is not. Never can be when our beloved club loses at home.

First 5 minutes I thought we started brightly, balls pinged Left and Right, switching of play from one wing to the other. I thought if we continue like this we'll be too much for them. How wrong I was. Dembele, Paulinho, Siggy and Eriksen were all guilty of sub standard performances in the first half. Dembele could not keep the ball, Paulinho was guilty of this also and the passing, well it wasn't. Siggy I forgot was even playing. Townsend runs fast, but apart from one ball played to the overlapping Walker, nothing to his game. I will admit that it was hard for Townsend because they doubled up on him, even trebled at one point.

Others were also of sub standard performance, but I'm not one for continually bashing players, reason I mentioned those above is because basically they are everything between defence and attack. You cannot afford to have all 5 under achieving and expect to win. Not going to happen. Paulinho let the ball run across him with a view to start play on his right foot, trouble being the ball moved past him a little too far resulting in a 50/50 with Gouffran who had pounced. Paulinho looked weak in the tackle, one through ball later Remy rounds Brad and we're all fecked off. Could've Brad sprinted from his line quicker? He did pause for a second and make a little backward movement. No point blaming Brad, we don't know if Lloris would've saved it. With the goal coming early in the 1st half, there was plenty of time for a response, however, we did not look like we were responding, we looked more despondent. Krul did have to make a few decent saves, one from a Soldado flicked header and one from an Eriksen speculative. Both good efforts both good saves.

Second half saw the introduction of Sandro for Dembele and Kaboul for Chiriches (whom I thought had a decent first half, made a great run back to get a last ditched tackle in, this was on the Right side). We absolutely dominated the second half, wave after wave of balls into the box, shots on target, possession etc. Begs the question, why don't we play like this all the time? We most probably had more possession in the second half when we were attacking with intent and pace, than we did in the first half when we were all the more considered and slow in our build up. Only one team looked like scoring in the 1st half...and they did, we looked like the only team who could have scored in the second half. On that basis, and in the knowledge that it does not stop us having the lion's share of possession, let's have more of the second half as opposed to the 1st. Obviously with us scoring.

Krul made save after save in the second half, on reaching 12 saves he had bettered the record for most saves in a match in Prem this season. i think he went on to make a couple more. This tells us one of two things. Either he was in sensational form, or our finishing is poor. Was it a combination of both? I'll leave that one to you guys. The fact that we managed so many shots in the first instance for Krul to save suggests we can create the chances, strange how this is after we have upped the tempo. I've said all along that quick tempo denies defenders reaction time to events happening around them resulting in errors and opportunities. Defoe's introduction for Siggy did not work, and I for one thought the way we bossed the game in the second half that it would've suited Lamela. Switching Townsend to Left.

All in all, gutted with the 1st half performance too many not on their game, as witnessed, you will not get away with it in this league too often. 2nd half showed a great determination and something that resembled the Spurs of old. Two halves of that with the addition of goals next week please. Imagine Adebayor playing in that! game today. See he wasn't on the bench again. What injury is he carrying?. Gobshiteitus.

Krul why so Cruel.

Written by Cider spurs



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Writer:Cider spurs.
Date:Monday November 11 2013
Time: 8:20AM

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Nice article, or should that be 'good article'? Never nice when we lose as you rightly point out. Regarding Krul, 450/50 for me, some great saves, some poor finishing. I just don't know what to think anymore. I'm the perennial optimist, but this season, I don't know, I just feel a bit drained? I'm not normally one for pointing the blame at the manager, as I always get behind the team, but for me, Lamela had to start yesterday, he would have been buzzing after his first goal. I'd have gone Townsend Left, lamela Right, denying the toon the opportunity to double up on our only out & out winger. That's just me though. Away to City, Home to United next two games, something tells me it's going to get worse before it gets better.....
King26
11/11/2013 08:34:00
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*50/50....oh, and first! something we can only dream of for now! COYS
King26
11/11/2013 08:35:00
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For all the huff and puff in the second half the sad truth is the same as the rest of the season we are not set up to provide decent chances for any of our forwards to get onto. Soldado is not being given a chance to prove his worth for us. I personally think he is not the right player for us, but I would of thought we would being playing to his strengths at this time in the season now?? Why pay so much for a player and then never play to his assets? The midfield in the first half wanted too much time on the ball in the wrong positions, Townsend is too predictable. He stays on the right and is looking to cut in and produce a GB style goal at every chance. Siggi seems to be our only real goal threat, which really plasters over the fact he is not really that good to start!! Dembele I dont see the fuss about him he is not creative going forward and a liability when put under pressure by other midfield opponents. 7th place is where we belong in the league and closer to mid table then 5 points of the top is a more realistic fact!! COYS
WestStandEnclosure
11/11/2013 08:41:00
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Newcastle won’t be able to ride their luck for too much longer. I suppose away from home you can say they did well for the 3 points so fair play. But I can’t stop thinking how did the ball stay out of the back of their net? It wasn’t a great first half from us, that’s one area we will have to look at but overall we worked hard which we have consistently been doing and this time created so many chances. We were unlucky while they had an abundance of it. The lads will have to pick themselves up and work harder building to the next game. The main thing is to see a positive reaction from the team and fans at the next game. Onwards and upwards. COYS.
SpursOne2
11/11/2013 08:44:00
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I often resist posting on sites nowadays namely down to lack of time to do so. However, after yesterday's loss I do feel some need to get some things out there. I feel, as do many of my Spurs' mates, that AVB has now totally lost the plot. Let's be clear, Newcastle were extremely lucky but despite that some of the decisions made by our esteemed manager were flabberghasting. He has this terrible habit of listening to the media (think Defoe against West Ham 0-3, think Lloris yesterday). The fact that he went with this imPACT test when the week before h left him to finish the game is amazing. As soon as I heard Friedel was playing I knew we would be up against it. You cannot play a high line with a terrible keeper (yes terrible). He doesn't come off his line and is always on the floor - Lloris would have kept a clean sheet yesterday and we would probably have won the game. How he can drop Sandro after the performance last week is beyond me? Dembele is really having a bad season so why pick him? AVB then wasted a substitution as he brought Sandro on for him in the 2nd half (it was the right decision but had Sandro started we would have not had to waste a sub). Also, Townsend thinks he is Bale and I can tell him and anyone else who thinks he is - He really isn't. He needs a rest too as he just tries too hard to impress and often flatters to deceive. The bottom line is that we didn't deserve to lose but ultimately we did due to some poor management decisions.
The Tailor
11/11/2013 08:52:00
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Wrong selection and shape again! Lamela should have started he must be full of confidence, Sandro should also have started as he must be the best in the country at what he does (sorting out the opposition midfield). We should be 442 at home against sides like WH, Hull & Newcastle - where the hell is Adebayor? we pay him £100k a week. Agree about Soldado, why buy him if you won't give him the service - he wants it on the floor in front of him! AVB is a bloody disaster and needs to get a grip of playing in the Prem before it's too late!
Aribak
11/11/2013 08:59:00
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I didn't get to watch the live game so only have the impression that the highlights give. Clearly from the comments on the other thread the first half was poor and the 2nd much better but ultimately fruitless. Now I have made my views on style perfectly clear so no need to bang on about that. Suffice to say that unlike the knee-jerkers or those who lean whatever way the wind blows, I feel no differently today other than sadder that we lost. The hoped for change of home set-up did not materialise so we played on the knife-edge and got cut. It matters not that we were unlucky to come up against a keeper on form, it was bound to happen and could just have easily against Hull. To those who say it is a work in progress, you may well be right, but I do not think that Mr Levy like me will consider his money well spent if this continues until Xmas and all chance of a top 4 disappears.
love totty
11/11/2013 09:00:00
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Difference between the 1st and 2nd halves was????????????????? No Dembele. Not pointing all the blame for the slow build up play on him but he's becoming the new Parker. Always turning and twisting around in circles. The opposition have cottoned on to how he plays and are nullifying his positives so now we seem to be getting only his negatives. Excellent game by Krul and some poor finishing cost us yesterday. Still only Manu and Southampton won their games so no real benefits for the others. We are still 5 points off the top. COYS
longtimespur
11/11/2013 09:01:00
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We lost... but there were positives:

Yesterday's game was one of our better performances. We created clear cut chances.

Yesterday's game wasn't boring either so for all the people asking for entertainment we got it, just not the result.

Arsenal, Man C, Chelsea all dropped points this week.
We need to take the positives from the Newcastle game, move on and concentrate on our next games. Get results against Man C and Man U and all will be forgotten.
taniban
11/11/2013 09:01:00
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*not consider
love totty
11/11/2013 09:02:00
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WSE,re Soldado,AVB knew what he was buying so I don't understand why he's hanging onto this inverted winger system,when Soldado starts getting proper service and doesn't score then i'll say not good enough.Also if AVB wants to stick with 2 deep lying mid's,even at home, then I think we should play 3 at the back,especially at home.A back 3 of Verts/Chiriches/Kaboul with any 2 of Pauli/Sandro/Capoue should be a pretty formidable defensive unit freeing up an extra (creative) player to be on the park and hopefully enabling the wide players to do just that ,stay wide.Whenever AVB decides that Lamela is up to starting regularly can't come fast enough,the KID is a different mustard,this is a player that a team can be built around,truely exceptional ball control,i believe he will control our destiny for the next few seasons.Gazza last player that I seen in spurs shirt that made it look so effortless.
sandroman
11/11/2013 09:13:00
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When AVB and the squad watch the game back I hope they all come to the same conclusion Cider clearly has - The second half performance has to be the template to build on. Other games we've been in control but toothless but that half we looked very dangerous. I think we've been spared a lot of media attention due to how many other teams at the top of the table dropped points. With a bit of luck we should be able to quietly move on and improve.
oi.you.there
11/11/2013 09:22:00
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The slow tempo at start of games is frustrating, if we start games with a fast tempo instead of letting the other team take the initiative then things would be different but we don't, we only start when we go behind.
Kong
11/11/2013 09:26:00
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AVB has around 6 weeks to turn this round. Sandro good points.
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 09:27:00
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Cider, Townsend created our best three chances in spite of having usually three players shutting him down. It was his worst game but he still offered the most going forward and 481% more than Soldado. AVB needs to bury his problems with Ade ASAP. or Ade might not be the first to leave. Stubborn never cuts the mustard.
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 09:30:00
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Kong compare our starting tempo with Liverpools at home, then comoare the results and indeed the half time scores. the difference? decisions made by the two managers.
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 09:31:00
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I think our issues (lack of goals) this season have come down to several issues. Apologies in advance as its a bit long winded. Hopefully we can have a proper footy debate today not just the I told you so stuff. 1) Soldado simply doesnt suit playing as alone striker in the Prem,Spain is different, defenders drop off and hes finding it difficlut getting the ball to stick and for us to build play. If you are small you generally run the wider channels like Augero. But Soldado plays right up the gut by and large and is struggling. 2) 10 years ago 442 ruled, you had simple one on one match ups as a result. LB v RW and son on. Teams varied it at times to 352 and of course now 4231come 433, initially you had a big advantage. The issue here is there is no advantage anymore as everyone is doing it to some fashion. We are back to the one v one match ups we had 10 years ago unless you are totally fluid like Barca. Its all eye of the needle stuff and teams are lacking variation. (IMO There is nothing wrong with playing direct at times and putting the ball in the box to a target man), City had the same issues yesterday, techinical players all trying to thread passes against 10 defenders. No variation!! 3) Our high pressing game means we are keeping clean sheets but generally we are condensing the field. Its a Catch 22 situation, do you allow teams on to you more to create space on the counter?? 4) Its plain to see we dont know or AVB doesnt know his best 11. I must say I have total sympathy here becasue players are simply not putting their hands up for long enough. Take Siggy yesterday, totally cruel!! Then he can go and score a screamer mid week. Sandro even got pulled half time v Hull and rightly so. Mousas turn yesterday. Frustrating isnt the word. Much maligned players like Walker have been the most consitant by far. 5) NO LB is biting us on the butt. Verts has been admirable but a pacey LB when you have inverted wide men is a neccesity. our CM while still a classy unit simply doent have a player as techically gifted as Modric who can see an early passand is technical enough to ping it. Our 3 CMs will run 3 yards to make a 10 yard pass because they dont trust their technique like a Carrick or even Hudd. I thought yesterdays game was different in that we simply lacked passion and were blown off the park in the first 15 mins. 442 caught us unaware, Ameobi stuch is ar5e in, the ball stuchk, Remy ran in behind and they passed forward and early, simple but effective. They squeezed Dembelle and said to the CBs if you wanna break us down you will have to do it. Id love to see Ade play with Soldado as I think they would compliment each other but by all accounts theres a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. By and large I think we are still close to being a very good team. At times especially at home we just need to start quicker and play with tempo. Id also like to see some variation with 4411 assuming Ade is actually going to actually play for his 100k a week. But teams will continue to defend in numbers especially now we have the unfortunate rep of being a very impatient crowd.
gatch75
11/11/2013 09:32:00
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By xmas we will have a greater understanding of where we are heading, we should see all the new signings especially Lamela in the team. Talk of AVB out now is wrong, he will get time.
Kong
11/11/2013 09:32:00
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We only really have Soldado as an option up front....but the 3 amigos behind are terrible....yes Dembele and Pauli had bad games but it was them against the toon's mid. Gylfi tried to stay goal side when we lost possession (but did f all) whilst townsend and eriksen just looked for their team mates to get the ball back...eriksen picked it up in the second half and tracked but Townsend needs a rocket...
shedboy2
11/11/2013 09:34:00
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As soon as we started pinging balls across the 6 yard box, Soldado ws in the right place to potentailyl get 2 tap ins. Thats the first time ive seen us play that way so you can blame Soldado. The board / AVB knew what they were buying with Soldado (even watching youtube its blatently obvious he finishes moves in the box, not create them / goals from nothing). If we play like that, he will start banging them in and we will rise up the table. But will AVB change..... hmmm....
mattspurs1982
11/11/2013 09:35:00
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November was the real test and indicator of how far we could go this season. So far its, a draw at Everton and a loss at home against Newcastle. More worryingly its NILL goals scored. I (like 90% of spurs fans) was absolutely delighted with our summer business, however 11 games into the season (plus numerous cup / Europa games) it’s becoming very clear that AVB has no idea how to utilise the talent at his disposal

One of three things is happening at spurs 1) We simply bought the wrong players for the system AVB wants to use. Now, considering he had an almost blank cheque book that is very concerning. 2) The players he bought are fine but for the system but are not performing to their ability, or maybe I could go as far to say we overestimated what the players could achieve. I have doubts that Soldado is the £26m star we thought. 3) The players are fine, they are trying to perform as best they can but the system and tactics are completely flawed

My question would be this…..How can players who have proved their talent in various country’s for different national teams all become crap at once?? Soldado, steady goal scorer season on season, Eriksen (horrible game yesterday) but one of Europe’s top assists last season. Lamela (disgrace he didn’t start yesterday) been a hit for the last few seasons, breaking into the national team with the likes of Tevez, Di Maria, Messi, Higuian. You can’t blame AVB for some of the finishing yesterday but you can blame him for the predictable line up, wrong team selection (IMO) and predictable substitutions. Why oh why bring on Defoe (who touched the ball about 3 times) and stick him on the left bloody wing!!!?? Lamela must have been in tears when he saw that. Shape up or ship out Mr Boas.
hudderspur
11/11/2013 09:36:00
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not convinced i can ever get to like this pic http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pardew-pardew-rode-luck-victory-6290427?
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 09:36:00
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Jeez that was long, writing in between breaks. I wouldnt read it either.
gatch75
11/11/2013 09:37:00
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its stayed out because we didnt put it in there One2
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 09:37:00
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I think the fact that AVB left Lamela on the bench yesterday was CRIMINAL. Even the least knowledgeable person on earth would have selected the boy to play yesterday. But our incompetent, clueless so-called manager wouldn't! What did he try to prove by leaving him out, I'll never know. The sooner Levy realizes he made a gross mistake in taking him on, the better. He should have consulted his Chelsea friend before, to see why Abramovich was so eager to offload the guy.
dagobert
11/11/2013 09:38:00
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As you know I have defended AVB in the face of previous flak, but I think he needs to think about what happened yesterday and how his decision making contributed to that. When I watched his pre-match interview it seemed to me he was clearly lacking confidence in his team selection. Maybe there had been "words" over lloris who knows.
Last week I thought we had a great first half at Everton. That team started with Sandro, Paulinho, Holtby and Lennon. It worked very well. The reason Verts got MOM was due mainly to having Lennon in front of him, hugging the touchline, working with Verts allowing him to exploit the channels. And yes somebody who understands football wrote that (not me!) but to me it made sense. When Siggy came on it changed. When Sandro went off last week it changed. I thought Holtby played well.
So why start Siggy, particularly when Lamela was on a high. Newcastle had at least 2 players on yellow. They couldn't cope with Paulinho and Dembele running at them, imagine how they'd of coped with an in-form Lamela.
Was Sandro injured? Spurs have never lost a game he has started in the last 15 PL games.
Maybe AVB was unfortunate in that Chiriches cost him a sub. But if AVB learned anything yesterday it was hopefully that his unmoveable belief in Siggy (who must play phenomenally well in training) must now be put aside. We need a hard look at Dembele, and with Capoue coming back there are options. Loyalty is commendable, but its now costing results.
Finally the form of Eriksen concerns us all I am sure. He will come good i am sure. Until then we should use the passion and committment of Holtby.
jacobslad
11/11/2013 09:41:00
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King he should have played Townsend left Lennon right with Lamela at 10. Sandro should have started. Dembele could play, but needs to via with Paulinho as the man to press forward and join in and indeed start attacks further forward, by far and away his best position as it always has been, all fairly obvious stuff really. I wonder what was going through Lamela's mind watching that farce in the first half after what he did on thursday and all the media clamour around it since thursday? anyone explain that from the management point of view?
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 09:41:00
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King he should have played Townsend left Lennon right with Lamela at 10. Sandro should have started. Dembele could play, but needs to via with Paulinho as the man to press forward and join in and indeed start attacks further forward, by far and away his best position as it always has been, all fairly obvious stuff really. I wonder what was going through Lamela's mind watching that farce in the first half after what he did on thursday and all the media clamour around it since thursday? anyone explain that from the management point of view?
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 09:41:00
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Topho - Not a great picture, shaking hands with the opposition manager during a match.
Kong
11/11/2013 09:41:00
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Our passing was great, chances were great, reaction at half time. Percentage wise we owned them. AVB needs to lo just keep us improving on the creating chances and we will be smashing teams 2-3 nil. This could easily have been the case against the toon. Drop Townsend and bring in Lennon or Lamela for the next game please. Hopefully Lloris will be available and still monitoring Ade/Rose, hopefully they are not too far off. COYS.
SpursOne2
11/11/2013 09:42:00
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jacobs we should play Lamela at 10, Holtby is better deeper where he played in germany, but i think we have others better in all positions, good squad player esp at 1.5 mill
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 09:43:00
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The important thing for me is yesterday AVB saw what the side is capable of, Ok, most of the team were completely off there game yesterday but good chances were created and we dominated the 2nd half, hopefully this will be the kick up AVBs A$%e he's been needing for last 8 months. That first half was the same boring sideways crap we've been watching game after game, conceding the goal against Newcastle might actually be a good thing as surely he must see that his one dimensional tactical management abilities have a MASSIVE hole in them which game after game he has failed to reconcile.
coys1717
11/11/2013 09:43:00
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http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/hugo-latest-101113/
SpursOne2
11/11/2013 09:43:00
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Hudd, AVB is repeating every thing he did at Chelsea to get himslef sacked, thats the thing which worries me most. Levy wont stick for to long IMO
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 09:45:00
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We have tried Holtby and Eriksen at number 10, why not try Lamela or at least start him and give him a feel for the league games. We will now play the manchester clubs back to back, will Lamela get a start in those games, I doubt it but wouldn't surprise me either.
Kong
11/11/2013 09:46:00
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it would be safe to assume that lamela would have seen action yesterday if the injury to chiriches and dembele's poor display did not cost us 2 of 3 subs. having said that I would have brought lamela on for sigurdsson and put townsend on the left and kept defoe firmly on the bench
Guernman
11/11/2013 09:47:00
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Id also start Lennon right and Townsend left. But I dont see how Lamella warrants starting. IMHO he has played well once against Sheriff and has been totally inaffectual in every other game. AVB is bringing him along nicely and doesnt want to heap too much on him too soon. Id be 90% certain he would have come on had Vlad not gone off but I think he needs a couple more good cameos before he starts at 10.
gatch75
11/11/2013 09:50:00
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gatch75 - Yeah Lennon is back and a top player, get him back in the team. Lamela, like the lad and can't wait for him to be regular but he still should be given some time. I'm sure AVB wants him playing week in week out as well but is doing the right thing with him and a few others. COYS.
SpursOne2
11/11/2013 09:52:00
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Not playing Sandro and Lamela yesterday was just stupid! Siggy is just not good enough (shame I hoped he would make it) and putting Defoe on wasn't clever as Lamela was the choice to make. Not taking Lloris off last week was a mistake (he wasn't fit a week later) and then to carry on claiming he was right was an even bigger mistake! I think we have a great club and great chairman who has invested heavily but we have the wrong manager, shame cos he seems a nice guy but he just aint up to it! We need to bite the bullet before CL disappears over the hill.
Aribak
11/11/2013 09:53:00
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but to be honest most fans on this site and others were coming up with a very fluid and interchangeable Townsend, Eriksen, and Lamela behind Soldado. If I were a betting man I'd have taken short odds for Lamela to start. He would not have been physically tired. He was on a high. We now have a 2 week break when its possible his newly found confidence will ebb. Had he had a crap game he would have had 2 weeks to get over it. It was a no-brainer. He should have started instead of Siggy.
jacobslad
11/11/2013 09:54:00
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Having said all that there is no way I'd call for AVBs head. He is a consummate professional and is leading this club in the right direction. He is 110% dedicated. I just feel he holds on to this loyalty thing too long.
jacobslad
11/11/2013 09:57:00
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Bad weekend for both of us yesterday! AVB is now in serious trouble, quite possible that you could be still sitting on 20 points after 13 games (two tough ones coming up) which would I think signal the end of his Spurs career. Really cannot understand some of his decisions yesterday? Townsend has yet another game of doing nothing and yet still starts above the clearly more talented Lamela (even if he's not the answer!), 2 def-mid type players at home to Newcastle?? Defoe coming on to play as a winger?? I'm beginning to wonder if he is searching for another pay off!!
Galway Gooner
11/11/2013 09:58:00
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Ok.... Up until the West Ham defeat, we were looking ok....barring us not really scoring many, and looking a bit lacklustre performance-wise. Best points start to a season, so we could afford to ignore the performances and hope they improve. Now, our points total is only marginally better than the average 11 game pts total across the previous 4 seasons. So now we cannot ignore the performances. Yesterday looked better, but due to the generally poor level of performance, we cannot take it in isolation. Something is wrong. I doubt that AVB will change it, but it needs to change. We need to abandon the wingers. We need to play the way that Chelsea and Arsenal do. They do not play with wingers. The full backs do the wing jobs. Then they fill the attacking areas with guys who can create chances AND score. That means that we need to play Eriksen, Siggy (NOT ON WING) and Holtby/Lamela/Chadli whoever behind Soldado. Townsend & Lennon can play too, or come on, but they should only play as wingers if tactically we need to counter the opposition - i.e. pinning Baines back for example. Playing like this, we should get more bodies in the box, more targets for passes, more movement and less isolation of Soldado....and hopefully more goals. Playing as we do now, we NEED to score the first goal. As we hardly score, this is not so likely. If we go a goal down, we are screwed. We need to go from a cagey game to one where we need to score, and it was not unlucky yesterday....we just are blunt.
TonyRich
11/11/2013 09:58:00
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grasp the nettle and drop Townsend...yet another game of running into cul-de-sac's, not tracking back, shooting instead of passing...and no goals and no assists. The boy has not earned the right to be considered a 1st team starter....
Against Manu I'd like to see us play like this....it does ask lamela to play off the left but he'll drift inside....lennon will keep the balance staying right....
...................Soldado................
Lamela.........Pauli..........Lennon
.........Capoue......Sandro...........
Rose.....Verts......Kaboul....Walker
..................Lloris.....................
shedboy2
11/11/2013 10:01:00
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There no doubt that anyone who complains about the team selection, tactics etc will be branded “fickle” or “not a supporter” but enough is enough. AVB is stubbornly sticking to a system that isn’t working, he keeps picking the same playing who are underperforming and doesn’t look like he is willing to re-shuffle things. After the match there were a few on here shouting that if we won we would have been joint second……and the point is?? We didn’t win, yet again couldn’t score, and have now slipped down the table when our next two game are against City who will want to bounce back after losing at Sunderland then Man united who will have fire in their belly after beating Arsenal. By the 1st of December it could be 1 point out of a possible 12…..11 dropped FFS!!
hudderspur
11/11/2013 10:03:00
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Shedboy...lets get the Citeh game done first!
jacobslad
11/11/2013 10:04:00
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I also do agree that we should start playing Lamela. Even if he is ineffective, he would be no worse than an ineffective performance from Lennon or Siggy when played out of position... Or from Chadli when he first started playing for us... Our wingers are not goalscorers barring potentially Lamela, and this is where the inverted winger thing defeats the object. The knock on effect of inverted wingers is that they find it harder to cross, pass and control those long cross field passes - as they usually end up on the wrong foot.
TonyRich
11/11/2013 10:05:00
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jacobslad- you noticed that...;) all these manchester teams are the same aren't they?...;)
shedboy2
11/11/2013 10:07:00
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The reason we lost is that AVB does not set out to win the game but sets it out not to lose it., And that is always a danger when you concede and have to play catch up. That is the difference between us and the goon scum... they play to win. COYS
4everaspur
11/11/2013 10:07:00
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In Townsends defence teams are doubling up and almost every chance game down the right side. Hes the least of our problems. It must be a knightmare for Soldado as he doesnt know when to make his runs anymore. You take that excellent erriksen cross first half, if hes was used to and early delivery that 1-0 all day long. Whats worse is that when you have acres of space left side because Townsend is doubled up Siggy puts in a performance like that. It seemed as if he wasover his crisi of confidence then he has a 3 out of 10 game. And Galway Id be more concerend about your impending slide. Lack of rotation gonna bite you because Giroud and Ozil starting to look like flogged horses leading up to Crimbo.
gatch75
11/11/2013 10:07:00
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Shedboy2 ... I Agree. I wanted to see the same 11 a while back. Looks very formidable from Lloris and up through the middle ... might now be tempted to leave Rose out and keep Chiriches. Too many options!!
Geofspurs
11/11/2013 10:09:00
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spursone2, we owned everyone percentage wise, so why so few goals and three losses two at home to weaker sides? chances were NOT great, apart from eriksens and soldado header over the bar early on there were NO clear cut chances, they had one clear cut chance and took it, BUT THEY CREATED IT. Why drop the player who has been your best to date this season going forward and who had his worst game yesterday but created the 3 best chances? where is the logic in that?
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 10:09:00
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shed...i always read your normally erudite posts in great detail.
jacobslad
11/11/2013 10:09:00
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hudders - agreed. The only changes we saw was a swapping of Eriksen & Holtby. Or a swapping of Siggy & Lennon (both out of position). Which means that he truly believes in the system, and just the personnel need changing.... I can think of a million combinations that we could try, but they are never an option. Why does AVB believe so much in this system...? It is not as if he has years of experience of it working... He only has had 2 full seasons of management...
TonyRich
11/11/2013 10:09:00
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Excellent article Cider. 2nd half was superb and was good to see how we kept Newcastle in their own half. Townsend for me needs to move to the left or drop him for someone who will provide chances for Soldado. He really needs to work on his game. Too predictable. Everytime he gets it we know what he is going to do which is a worry. A fit Capoue should partner Sandro. Both players other more than defensive cover. Capoue will be the driving force -his power and passing ability from deep will make him an asset. Please give Lamela a run. Play him right and he will deliver. Also I would like to have Eriksen left side. He's two footed and clever with the ball but he needs players to open up the defence. Now as no 10 I would give Chadli a chance when fit. He played his best football for FC Twente. Both Chadli and Eriksen could easily interchange position during the game which will unsettle the defence. I still think AVB will stick to his tried and tested tactics. What he really needs is a settled team and he needs better performances from his players. I still have faith in him and I still think we won't see the best till next season. COYS!
James1
11/11/2013 10:11:00
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The die is cast, fellahs. No good knee-jerking into the first combination that enters your heads. The players have been coached for some months now into the current set-up which works very well away from home against decent opposition so pointless changing anything before the City game. After that we have MU and Liverpoo at home to think about with two away games in between, followed by Southampton away. It's not until we get to the West Brom that we need a sea-change.
love totty
11/11/2013 10:12:00
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gatch75 - Lennon has been doubled up for years, yet he still managed 4 goals and 7 assists last season. Over a quarter of the season gone, and I struggle to see Townsend getting near that... Townsend does look bright. But either the system is stifling him, or he is not quite ready to be the first name on the sheet, as he appears to be.
TonyRich
11/11/2013 10:12:00
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4everaspur - I agree there too. The problem is that we finished yesterday's game as we should start the next....BUT WE WON'T. We will be cagey, Mr Dzeko will score a header, and we will not be able to score... And AVB won't change it... I see a pattern emerging...
TonyRich
11/11/2013 10:14:00
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Our matches up till Xmas are the City/Utd games, Fulham (A), Sunderland (A), Liverpool (H), and Saints (A). It was so important to win yesterday.
jacobslad
11/11/2013 10:14:00
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Gatch - you seen who you are playing in the next 2 games?? We have Soton home and Cardiff away followed by Hull at home. No reason we cant take 9 points from those games. The virus that caused Mert and ThomasR to miss the match also impacted on a few other players (Gnarby, Ramsey and Giroud) so while we were crap yesterday, and we were crap, I'm not worried about a one off game. In fairness we've been on a pretty good run and that was the first bad game in awhile. You lot however are getting worse and are sliding towards mid-table unless there are some drastic changes and have you honestly seen anything to suggest that improvement is coming?
Galway Gooner
11/11/2013 10:15:00
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taniban, what clear cut chances, Newcastle had a clear cut chance in the true sense of what a clear cut chance is, how many did we create in the real world? we created some chances more than usual, but clear cut? nil wayo joseo
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 10:17:00
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Well like most people on here the worst decision was not starting with Sandro the bloke is on fire and shouldnt be dropped tiredness is not a factor yet and i would say is now 100% fit ,it did waste one of our subs.Dembele did have a mare and Newcastle read him like a book ,he just seems to have lost a yard and was never that fast to start with .Erikson was probably the worst player for me though a few good crosses that was it so many bad corners and missed passes ,his confidence has totally gone and he seems to be lacking a backbone ,,shame!.Townsend didnt do much but was heavily marked so at least took players out of the game but for me i would get him training on the left from now ,only the left he could really do us and Soldardo a service there,Lamala will be starting soon i hope or infact Lennon .In hind sight Holtby would have been a better option and when Capoue is back 100% fit push him further up i think he can handle it ok.The first half was poor but ive seen worse ,the second half was great though probably as good as we have had all season how we lost i will never know ,just one of those days.Kaboul looks to be finally back which is great ,with Rose back after the internationals Kaboul and Verts looks one of the best in the prem with class back up .On a.v.b well he did try something different ,it didnt work but at least he changed it [sandro] and we had 2 forwards on the same pitch .Im gutted with the result we would be sitting in bloody third right now i think we deserved to ,with 2 hard games coming up it would have been great ,,,4 points will make up for this lets hope or we will be slipping down the table .COYS one more thing Paulinio will start getting those goals soon....
Edinburgh Spur
11/11/2013 10:17:00
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love totty - it is not knee-jerking mate. Our home performances were insipid LAST SEASON... This season it is the same, except we are scoring a lot less goals. I am not even talking about Bale because he started really scoring and playing well in the latter half of last season. There is something fundamentally wrong that has got worse this season. Without home form, you cannot function as a top 4 side. I am willing to forgo our decent away performances to get the home ones right....
TonyRich
11/11/2013 10:18:00
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love totty you and AVB will be brave men indeed to start Siggy against City! I suppose the opposite of knee jerk is head in the sand. None of the line-ups/permutations mentioned on here for the next PL game involve anything other than tried and tested players. Apart from Lamela, who has shown he is/was ready.
jacobslad
11/11/2013 10:20:00
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Townsend did have players double or even triple up on him yesterday, not saying drop him but I think Lamela or Lennon would be better on the right. I am happy for Townsend to move to the left but don't think AVB would do that. He is still learning but has to improve his decision makeing, he had a shot yesterday when Soldado would have been better placed to pass too. He did hit the target tho. I don't want Siggy on the left anymore, never going to work, yes he has scored 3 goals from that position but it also cost us by him being ineffective in other matches especially yesterday.
Kong
11/11/2013 10:21:00
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Galway - let's be honest, you will beat the brains out of the next 2 fixtures. But you guys do need to either get Podolski fit, or sign someone.... Because bringing on Bendtner should NOT be an option!!!! He is worse now because he even has a stupid hairstyle now... He looks bad for 2 reasons now.... Giroud started the season excellently, but can he keep it up? I do believe that you guys have a top 4 place in the bag already... How high? Who knows? We have some issues in getting to top four, but we have easily a good enough squad...
TonyRich
11/11/2013 10:22:00
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Galway for crap it was a rare crap performance to peg united back so comprehensively at old trafford for 45 mins, not many do that. I think most argue on here that you have equally hard games as us coming because because they are all equally hard. well thats what i think they were arguing the other day. I fancy your next few games better than ours. There is a school of thought though to suggest we will play better against the better sides as they wont park the bus on the narrow pitch with no curtains and wont have a world class goal keeper. We can hang on to that hope in these parts. I would prefer to see the manager improving how he manages, he is on target for a Chelsea repeat at the mo, I wish he was not.
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 10:24:00
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tops- your in danger of doing an AVB and being too loyal to Townsend...even if doubled up on you can still track back and tackle when you don't have the ball...he was a good stop gap when lennon was injured and lamela finding his feet but in reality he's not good enough yet to be a PL starter...
shedboy2
11/11/2013 10:25:00
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Tony come on Bentner is the best player in the world, he coaches Ronaldo online, come on mate we all know that. And he has nice hair too.
tophobunty3
11/11/2013 10:26:00
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TRich, as I said earlier Lennon is in my team every time. But Townsend got a lot of stick (very unfair imo) when the left side had far more space and created absoltely nothing. (And by that I mean Siggy not Verts) Lets not kid ourselves Townsend is a complete bonus, he was deemed cannon fodder and anything he does is a plus. Hes not the next Bale but becasue of his England performances hes getting unfair expectatio heaped on his shoulders while Lamella gets time to adapt. We could be seeing Lamella totally hrown to the lions like Postiga was were it not for Townsend.
gatch75
11/11/2013 10:27:00
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Tony - you can't have been reading my posts if you think I'm satisfied with our home form - quite the opposite. Boring and negative is the kindest terms I would use and will cost us dearly against the weaker teams. Short term however I think it would be counter-productive to try something new in the next run of games when we are away or at home to good teams.
love totty
11/11/2013 10:27:00
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Galway - can't believe they let your keeper carry on after being knocked out....surely he has to be out of the next game...ditto Vidic...why is concussion not the story today?
shedboy2
11/11/2013 10:27:00
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After the decision to sack Redknapp which I agreed with, it was with equal enthusiasm I welcomed the appointment of AVB. Yet now, for the first time since he arrived, I have to question his decision making. The sale of Bale was inevitible, and yet that blow was cushioned mightily when I saw the quality we were bringing in. The squad AVB has at his disposal is, quite frankly, fantastic. So how on Earth are we performing so miserably every week? The lack of entertainment would be a little more palatable if the results were tumbling in. But home defeats to Newcastle and West Ham?! Excellent players do not lose their qualities overnight. And so logic follows that these players are not playing in a system that allows them to be as effective as we all know they can be. To many (myself included) the decision to employ two 'defensive-minded' midfielders is a baffling one, espcially at home. The attacking firepower we have must be the envy of most, and yet they are stunted and snookered with our negative tactics and movement or lack thereof. Soldado isn't missing chance after chance, the service to him has simply been minimal at best and pi$$ poor when it arrives. Townsend has let a couple of good performances (for England, not for us) go to his head and now seems to believe not only is he entitled to an automatic starting place, but that he alone can win us the game without looking up for better options. Sandro is as good as any defensive midfielder in the league, and he needs to be the first name on that team sheet. Lamela needs to be given the opportunity to show why we paid all that money for him. I don't believe Levy will look at getting rid of AVB in the middle of this season, but January may decide if he's still here at the start of the next one. For us to turn this around, 3 arrivals are (in my opinion) needed. Firstly, a quality back-up goalkeeper. Friedel is/has been a fantastic professional. But all the goodwill and praise in the world won't make his reactions 10 years better/faster. A quality striker to offer rotation/competition for Soldado. Especially if we are to persist in playing our defensive/lone striker formation. And likewise, a quality left-back as starter/competition for Danny Rose. It may be too late by that time of course, and our season of optimism may have to wait until next year. But these acquisitions will, I believe, stand us in fantastic stead. Only AVB between now and May can determine whether or not he's still here to reap the rewards next season. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
11/11/2013 10:28:00
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If AVB does get the sack, we should make a short list of German managers they coach and play the best football at the moment AND we can keep Freund.
coys1717
11/11/2013 10:28:00
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AVB set out not to loose but also to win. We outplayed them and AVB didn't get a lot wrong. Obviously you get people playing manager who would have stated x player etc, but we had a team to win it. Bounce back, move on and the we have to try harder to convert our chances we are making. COYS.
SpursOne2
11/11/2013 10:28:00
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