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Man City vs Spurs. Hit For Six.

Man City vs Spurs. Hit For Six.

'Right lads let's keep it tight first 20 minutes, you know, feel our way into the game'. 15 seconds after kick-off, we have to trudge back to the centre circle. Nothing like giving the opponents a helping hand. I promised to give an honest opinion, good and bad, some players will be mentioned by name, however they play for my team so I will always support them when they wear the jersey.

Lloris, what can I say, it speaks for itself, it happens, but twice?. Sandro, couple of good tackles, one great one, it is o.k bossing midfield but you have to do something with it. Paulinho the same minus the tackles. Lamela, people just ran past him or pushed him off the ball, needs to toughen up. Vertonghen, really?, schoolboy defending from a player I consider to be one of the best in the game. Dawson, do you see the space behind you when you are parked up Negredo's arse?.

So annoyed with the early goal gift, I actually thought City looked pretty poor defensively in the first half, and when we did get a couple of crosses in from the flanks they looked a little shaky at dealing with them, but as usual we had no idea on how to take advantage. Make no mistake City were very good at times, we were very poor alot of the time. One game admittedly does not end our season, but I did think now was the time to judge how we are performing by the way of stiffer competition in the likes of City and Utd.

Well if this is the first part of the wheels coming off, next week could look very grim. We are looking very slow and predictable, some of the attempted passes through to Soldado were laughable. Yet again we have the possession but do nothing with it, I can't even attempt to try and think of what the causes may be. The early goal obviously knocked the stuffing out of us somewhat, we started to get back into the game, but the things that were giving them one or two problems, namely crosses were not exploited enough. The rest as they say, is history.

Nice to see Adebayor back, he holds the ball up well, hopefully we'll see him partner Soldado on a few occasions now. Dembele looked better further forward and was able to beat his man a few times, he did also have a shot on target. Apologies for the short article, and for not going into too much depth about improvement solutions we may see as viable options, but I really am struggling to find anything positive to take from this game. I do not wish however to base a whole article on the teams shortcomings, they'll be hearing enough of that over the next week, and I'm sure many would have also posted their feelings about the game on OhVey Maria's pre match article.

On a positive note...the missus has just brought me a roast dinner home from work, Oh!..and we've got United next week. Marvellous!!.

Written by Cider spurs



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Writer:Cider spurs.
Date:Sunday November 24 2013
Time: 7:00PM

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Comments

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Kudos to Pellegrini, he had our young buck figured out. Pellegrini also afforded us a professional courtesy by taking Aguero off. Steep curve for AVB to surmount. COYS.
Arky
24/11/2013 19:08:00
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Thanks for bothering. I'm sure your dinner will be far better than the football.
Cape Town Spurs
24/11/2013 19:10:00
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Dawson is a cb who is more comfortable when we have our backs to the wall, in no way should he be employed in a high defensive line which relies on pace and mobility, especially against the likes of Aguero and Yaya making runs from MF, recipe for a disaster, too many times Dawson was too high allowing space in behind and he has not got the pace to recover, kaboul not had much football so im not surprised. At the other end what a difference some presence has, Ade should start against manure IMO.
spurfect one
24/11/2013 19:17:00
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He's gotta go
mattspurs1982
24/11/2013 19:21:00
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Cider, I've been scooping cider since 1 pm. So upset, actually loved the team sheet for a change... Attacking. Took a bet with a city boy in the local who wrote 6-0 on the chalk board of the dart board. I told him he was talking ****e and bet him €10 on any other score! Should have laid it on Betfair, but he has the bragging rights... So I don't know what to say. Are we that bad? No! Are we disorganised? Yes. Can we score? Not really. Do I have to hide til February if we lose next week? Yes. Utd fans texting me saying wtf! City fans texting with apologies, gooners taking the p**s, Chelsea fans telling me this and that. All I've been preaching is we are building and it will happen. That was our message to the prem. we sent the wrong message. I don't know what to say. I need to sleep in it but don't think it will feel better tomorrow. At least Cardiff held utd back I suppose!
Dublin Hotspur
24/11/2013 19:21:00
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city werent even tha good in first half yet g in 3up says it all, daws an kaboul ball watching how an u not follow ur man, city players always between out CD, if you defend like that at school boys levelwe wont be starting the net game, a guy who was almost sold is a 3rd rate CB is ur captain
123spurs
24/11/2013 19:36:00
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Aguero wasnt taken off casue it could of been 10 he was taken off casue game was won and didnt want him to get injured which is a standard thing to do
123spurs
24/11/2013 19:38:00
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AVB seems very entrenched in his ideaology of how he wants the team to play,think he is going to have to become more flexible before we improve.My personnel dislike is the regular playing of different combinations from game to game ,never allows players to get to know each others game,also playing players out of their best positions.Stay positive.
sandroman
24/11/2013 19:38:00
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The way I see it on the day, we dropped 3pts but more importantly we were shown all our failings and shortcomings. We have paid dearly for the lesson, thank you Pellegrini and company. Now very importantly let AVB and company show that they can learn and improve from their lesson. That is the only tonic I fear for the malaise. COYS
Arky
24/11/2013 19:46:00
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Those away fans. What a disgrace. Sack the lot of them. And sack the home fans, of course. And you lot on the net, and you armchair fans, you're pathetic too, get lost.
5thcolumnist
24/11/2013 19:51:00
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i want AVB out, i have backed him throughout his time at Spurs but this is the final straw for me. We have Fallen this much behind our rivals and 9 goals in 12 games would be expected of a £30m striker not a whole team. this is the most boring spurs side i have ever watched (born in 1984) and that is what hurts me most not the results.
spurs-stelios
24/11/2013 19:53:00
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I hope this is the worst it can get, cos AVB had a dismal record at Chelsea...when he strated losing he could not stop losing....this is an extract from the Chelsea web-site...please AVB let that trend not continue......Villas-Boas 's first match in charge was a 0-0 draw away at Stoke City, but four straight wins followed, and the emergence of young players such as Juan Mata and Daniel Sturridge in a new-look front-three signified a new, expansive style of play which the manager was eager to implement. Problems first began to emerge when Arsenal were the visitors to west London at the end of October, and Villas-Boas's favoured high defensive line was ruthlessly exposed, culminating in a 5-3 home defeat. A week later, we made the short trip across London to take on Queens Park Rangers in what proved to be a highly controversial fixture. Both Jose Bosingwa and Didier Drogba were sent off for the Blues as we lost 1-0 to a penalty, Villas-Boas not happy with the consistency shown by referee Chris Foy. A home league defeat against Liverpool soon followed, and when Kenny Dalglish's side returned to inflict another on the Blues a fortnight later, this time eliminating us from the Carling Cup, Villas-Boas's position, as well as the much publicised high defensive line, came under scrutiny. With the vultures circling and the pressure on his young shoulders mounting, he appeared to have turned the corner in the month of December with impressive victories against Newcastle, Valencia and Manchester City. Oriol Romeu, the midfielder who Villas-Boas had unearthed from Barcelona, had begun to make an impact with some tough tackling and intelligent distribution in the middle of the park, and the capture of the Spaniard appeared to highlight the new manager's ability to spot emerging young talent. Performances, though, once again began to dip over the Christmas period, and after three successive draws we were soundly beaten 3-1 at home to Aston Villa. A 2-1 win away at Wolves in early January temporarily lifted the gloom, but a record of two league wins from our next seven matches saw us drop to fifth in the table, with qualification for next season's Champions League in jeopardy. A 3-1 first leg defeat to Napoli in the Champions League, coupled with a 1-1 home draw in the FA Cup fifth round against Birmingham left our hopes of securing any silverware hanging by a thread, and after we were beaten 1-0 away at West Bromwich Albion in the league, the board made a decision to part company with the 34-year-old.
DareSpur
24/11/2013 19:58:00
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What can yo say, embarrassing doesn't quite do it justice, completely out gunned and out manoeuvred. I'm pointing the finger at Levy, AVB should never have been appointed, not enough experience as a manager, not enough experience in English football, not enough experience in the premier league, a narrow minded almost arrogant approach to tactics. What part of his time at Chelsea made Levy think that 'he's the guy'. I'm sure AVB is doing his best, but this has been coming for bl%&dy ages, no papering over the cracks with a dodgy penalty or deflected goal being well and truly smashed by a team that we should be challenging completely undermines the work that has been progressing over the last 6-7 years. He's had the money, he's had the signings, our players individual talent is being quashed because the bloke at the helm does not know how to use them. Levy next time, do the obvious thing, get a proven experienced manager, doesn't even have to be experienced in the premier league just a manager who plays attractive controlled football who will let the players do what they do best. I think AVB has another 3-4 games, we get smashed like that against UTD could be one of his last.
coys1717
24/11/2013 20:02:00
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How many more opportunities to learn does AVB need? We were rubbish last season and only Bale saved us from being where we really should have been. AVB has had a full season and 12 games to 'learn' and he's learnt nothing. He will never learn. He isn't good enough. We can accept it and try to change it or ignore it and endure a very difficult, dull and depressing season. I've had enough.
SpuriousLife
24/11/2013 20:04:00
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mmm come on boys turn it around
Uskok
24/11/2013 20:12:00
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DareSpur that post scared the ccr@p out of me. Hopefully come January we will still be just 2 points of top 4 and we will still have hope. And btw he is only 34 ???? wtf was levy thinking?
logos8
24/11/2013 20:21:00
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The Klinsmen in ballyhoo starts now!!Yep! AVB has been found out, I don't know one Spurs fan who knows what our best team is let alone our manager...did anyone see Hoddle's idea on Sky Spurts? Theyd've been beaten 9-0 in his 1998 version of a Prem side in this game. I feel sorry for Soldado, so isolated in a toothless Spurs attack again, yes Dembele looks better employed in an advanced role, he can drop a shoulder and get passed his man with, WOW a shot at the end of it!. Lamela needs to man-up, a prospect in Prem terms but wanting and unbelieving in his abilities to beat the man ahead of him and as for Dawson, cut him in half he's all Spurs through and through but through him was a gaping hole of ineptness. Chiraches will forever demote him to the bench. Holtby like Erickson is easily pushed off the ball and lacking REAL vision. Ultimately Spurs don't have any combinations on the pitch that seem to talk or communicate with one another...I don't see them being talkative. I've played county level and still play decent level football and paramount is the ability to affront your fellow players be it in a positive or informative way (Man on for f***s sake, TURN!, SPACE, etc!!!). I digress, we have too many round pegs in square holes and not enough leadership. Moan Utd is a massive game, we've not beaten them at The Lane since 1999 (Oh! Carr!) and will determine either a mid table,7th-8th or a fighting Top five position. The downscale was evident today!!!!
slim40
24/11/2013 20:28:00
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come on lads and do us a favour, and BEAT the Rags,from a Happy City fan, and today i was actually apprehensive about the game i thought we would Struggle againt the meanest defence in the league..... just go to show how wrong you can be,keep you chin up someone of note was going to get battered by us and a top 4side too, not the likes of Norwich but you can be sure it wont be the last time we put 4,5, or 6 goas past a team this seaon..... Arsenal are up in the next 3 weeks so who knows....
cityman51
24/11/2013 20:35:00
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Bring back Arry
arpant
24/11/2013 20:38:00
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No
logos8
24/11/2013 20:53:00
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AVB's 100 page dossier on the opposition, qualifications and FIFA badges didn't help him much today, perhaps FIFA needs to teach a little more of the "get out there and ******** run around a bit" philosophy.
MrSpurs
24/11/2013 21:10:00
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Why would 'Arry want to return to a club that sacked him, arpant? Levy has made a mistake again, by appointing AVB as Manager and a Director of Football who has wasted a large proportion of the Bale transfer fee on buying Soldado and Lamella. He's done it in the past with Ramos and Comelli, etc. Levy is fixated by the idea that he must appoint an unproven Continental coach and a Director of Football. He only reverted to 'Arry out of desperation when Ramos was found out, but still then went and appointed AVB. We'll never get anywhere with Levy as Chairman, but Lewis wont get rid of him. We can only hope that Levy sees the error of his ways, but don't bank on it.
ultrapunch
24/11/2013 21:10:00
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AVB is too young and naive. I think he over complicates things. He has no experience as a footballer. I could go on and on but i have backed him until the last three or four weeks. AVB needs to go now. I would be very surprised if AVB can hang onto his job with us for the rest of the season.
asherthesmasher
24/11/2013 21:10:00
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I'm starting to lose faith, gotta be honest. When you put todays result, or rather the manner of the defeat alongside the Newcastle and West Ham results and consider the 1-0 wins which have been gifted through some dubious officiating we've been unbelievably poor. AVB's tactics are too rigid, the formation and personnel are irrelevant when he's trying to direct every aspect of their game. His man management also hit a new low by stating that we wouldn't buy a LB in January. Why do that before an important game where you're planning to play someone who doesn't want to be a LB in that position? Totally thoughtless. You gotta also wonder why he switched to the 4-4-2 fans have been asking for in a situation it was doomed to fail. Tactical naivety or a prelude to him pointing to it as an example not to use it in the future?
flipper
24/11/2013 21:13:00
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I have to say, since Villas-Boas has taken over, I've seen very little cohesion or teamwork. In fact, I'd say there's been absolutely no improvement whatsoever. Last season was a free pass as far as I was concerned. There was a media circus surrounding Redknapp's departure, especially when we replaced him with someone who previously failed in the Premier League. Most of the squad was inherited from Redknapp's reign and our signings had pretty much been tied up before he arrived, notably Vertonghen and Adebayor, as well as Sigurdsson and Dembele.

Last season we saw the same as this one; failing to break teams down, shaky performances at the back etc, but I felt at the time, while Bale was seemingly running the show, I understood that this can be of detriment to the overall team performance. What I realised we needed was a summer where AVB got the players he wanted in, got rid of the players he had no time for and he could manufacture a squad for which his ideologies and tactics could be projected on to.

That brings me to this season. At the start, with many new signings, most of which being new to the league as well as each other, I was willing to give a few months for the season to really kick start, as long as there was steady progress throughout. That's unfortunately where the story seems to be ending. What I've witnessed is a series of completely stagnant performances where we don't look threatening or even in control. Despite (up until today) having what was deemed an excellent defensive record, I felt that we looked extremely shoddy when teams actually had a go at us. Our build up play, if you can call it that, has been so slow that players are literally walking with and without the ball. Newcastle could afford to have no less than 3 players marking Andros Townsend, but where most teams would exploit the space left by such naive tactics, we allowed each player to saunter back into position while we knocked the ball around in slow motion.

I would argue that not only our team efforts have stagnated, but individual players are suffering for a whole host of reasons. Lamela, though I obviously realised would take time to acclimatise has looked way below average for the Premier League, let alone a side like ours. I believe that Mousa Dembele's performances have gone completely downhill. He looked exciting and incisive when he first arrived, but has since seemingly forgotten what made him so good in the first place. Paulinho looked very promising when he first arrived, with a combination of skill and solidity that you'd want out of a box to box midfielder. Emmanuel Adebayor went from scoring 17 Premier League goals to scoring 5 under AVB, and while we were quick to jump on Ade's back, the performances of Roberto Soldado this season, who scored 30 goals in 46 games last season, will tell you that any striker, possibly in world football would struggle in our toothless side.

It's easy to say all this after a heavy defeat, I know, but it'd be interesting to see how many points we got from INDIVIDUAL moments of class from Bale last season and where we'd have ended up without them. Just as interesting would be to see where we'd have been without 3 silly penalties given to us in the league. By silly I mean penalties where challenges by opposing players were unnecessary and probably wouldn't make now, knowing we can't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.

The answer to both questions I believe are that without Bale we'd have slipped into mid table last season, somewhere between 8th and 12th depending on how "glass half full" we're feeling. This season, we've gained 9 points from penalties, which leaves us 6 points worse off (assuming we would have drawn each game) leaving us mid table. This simply isn't good enough, nor does it look like getting better. Today was the first time we've been without a goal in 3 consecutive games for 5 years, the first time we've lost by 6 goals that I can even remember (would like to know the last time actually) and it was a performance (similar to Norwich's thumping) where it looked as though the players had given up on their manager. I have to admit, if he did get sacked tomorrow, I would be lying if I said I was disappointed.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
24/11/2013 21:14:00
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Also, a couple of things which still leave a sour taste in my mouth. Selling Steven Caulker, who had a decent season last year, making a decent number of appearances across all competitions and a player who I believe to be worthy of the number 26 shirt at some time in his career. I believe that he was already on the same level as Jan Vertonghen and would have been his ideal partner. So he sells him for £8m despite being (including Andros Townsend) our best prospect at the club. Instead he religiously plays our transfer listed captain, who unbelievably could have been sold for more money than Caulker last season, despite being half the defender he is and despite approaching 30. Going back to Vertonghen, I can't help but feel his pain. One reason he chose us over Arsenal is because Wenger wanted to play him as a midfielder, whereas we'd play him as a centre back. It seems we lied. Instead of playing him at centre back, we're playing him at left back because our first choice left back is on loan in the Championship and our second choice left back is injured, with our third choice left back deemed not good enough. Mind boggling stuff.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
24/11/2013 21:23:00
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Bernio Villas-Spuras good post
logos8
24/11/2013 21:25:00
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BVS - a lot of good points there mate. It sounds like I'm anti AVB but I'm not I want the guy to succeed as much as anyone but it just isn't working and this is a squad that AVB has built so its not like he hasn't had financial backing. We need to stick with him, sacking the manager is worse thing we could do right now but AVB needs to sort it out quickly, 4th has already gone in my mind.
MrSpurs
24/11/2013 21:27:00
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As far as embarassing defeats go this one takes some beating, no pun intended. A loss to one of the most expensively assembled sides in the history of football would have been accepted, but today's total capitulation is unforgivable for a team with top four aspirations. Ultimately the buck stops with AVB as he picks the players, but can you legislate for someone as experienced as Llorris to gift them a goal after 15 seconds? Any game plan is totally out of the window before the first minute is over, than you concede an own goal, 2-0 down and what choice do you have? Defend a 2-0 loss or try and give it a go knowing, that the likes of Silva, Negredo and Aguero will pounce?

Some poor performances today, some players just not good enough and AVB needs to start earning his millions to sort it out. I still think it's silly to call for AVB's head, I would be shocked if he is sacked this season unless there is an absolute meltdown. He will get money to spend in January, I can see three players coming in, It's not that we haven't got any money to spend, Levy hasn't dipped in his pockets this season.

Can't believe that the team that outplayed Arsenal, Chelsea and Everton away for big chunks of those games are all of a sudden total crap. Let's bounce back with a victory against United. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
24/11/2013 21:32:00
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Wow Bernio, you don't post much on here anymore, but when you do you certainly know how to "smash it"
Cleveland ARTSPURS
24/11/2013 21:37:00
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Who would people bring in come January? We have creative players, defensively solid players, box to box players, decent wingers and decent finishers. Without the matching philosophy of the manager pulling the strings, it doesn't matter who we bring in. I honestly think we'd be in the same position if we had Karl Henry and Lee Cattermole in midfield, such is the lack of urgency and skill that seems to be demanded of them. The cheque book is not the answer, it's our entire footballing philosophy that needs a total rethink. Hopefully Villas Boas can be that man, but other than being young, I can't personally see what he's brought to the table. If he was 25 years older then I'd argue that nobody would care if he went tomorrow.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
24/11/2013 21:42:00
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AVB has to go after United beat us next week. Total shambles, he's lost the dressing room.
jordtheyid
24/11/2013 21:44:00
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Thanks Cleveland. I've been politely stewing my thoughts for a while and I didn't want to come across as knee jerk which is why I've barely mentioned today's performance and instead I've chosen to share thoughts I've harboured for a while. They seemed inappropriate during what I considered to be a transition, but now the dust has settled and we seem to be on a downward spiral. Think I could forgive today's farcical display if this was a City side romping the league and running away with the title, but they were a point behind us and they're going through a similar transition.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
24/11/2013 21:50:00
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Our squad is wasted on AVB. He can't and never will be able to get the most out of it. He is too stubborn, too negative and plays football that is sideways and backwards. His emphasis on pointless possession in pointless areas of the pitch makes us totally impotent. You could have Messi, Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic, Falcao and flipping Pele in our squad but if they are forced to play at only walking pace and with everything sideways or behind them we'd still be rubbish. Good squad + poor manager = no hope of success. Poor squad + good manager = possible chance of a little success but unlikely. Good squad + good manager = good chance of success. We have a good squad.
SpuriousLife
24/11/2013 21:51:00
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A quality left back is a must, a striker as Defoe is not good enough and Ade only plays when he wants to, not good enough and a naturally left sided player, I.m sure Baldini has his targets in mind.
ItalianYiddo
24/11/2013 21:51:00
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Come on Bernio Villas-Spuras, do you honestly think that City were going to stay behind us for long? If they don't win the title they will be second to Chelsea.
ItalianYiddo
24/11/2013 21:54:00
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And this crap about Verts being played at left back, are people that thick that they think it's a permanent solution? He knows he is filling in until it gets sorted.
ItalianYiddo
24/11/2013 21:58:00
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Please do not blame any ONE player as this was a poor team loss. Losing a goal so early and in the manner we did meant we had to chase the game and with their quality picked us off at will. We did NONE of the basics very well but the main concern was we had no cutting edge. Our fans singing we gonna win 6-5 was comiical though. Kudos for staying in the ground.
CoysRus
24/11/2013 22:00:00
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Maybe they will, but my point remains the same. So far, City haven't been firing on all cylinders and have suffered inconsistencies. They're not invincible and yet they turned us over with considerable ease. This is despite several new players and a new manager. In other words our stale start to the season cannot, under any circumstance, be excused.

I feel let down, simply because we have the players we've craved for years now, and I felt Villas Boas would play a similar style of football that his Porto team displayed. I thought we'd found the balance. A young manager with a young team of players he can relate to, who would let them play uninhibited until we got a more than comfortable lead but was then tactically astute enough to be able to see games out. In reality we play like we're 3-0 up when we're a goal down, or a goal up, or drawing. We don't seem to have a game plan, instead aiming for statistics which make us look better than what we are. For instance, Tim Krul made 16 saves or something daft against us and in most games we've dominated possession. Great stats, but when you watch our games it's a different story. First and foremost we should be entertained as fans. We're all stakeholders in the club and deserve to be rewarded. It currently feels like we're being punished.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
24/11/2013 22:06:00
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Bernio, good posts mate. FYI we have lost by this margin only 6 times in our history.
spurfect one
24/11/2013 22:08:00
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No, ItalianYiddo, we're not thick, merely highlighting the fact that our best centre half is currently disgruntled at being played out of position when we have no need to be short in that position in the first place.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
24/11/2013 22:09:00
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IY sometimes in football you concede goals really quickly. It's all well and good having a gameplan to start with but you must have flexibilty for a lot of scenarios that happen in matches, at the minute we only have one way of playing and no flexibilty to react to different situations.
spurfect one
24/11/2013 22:15:00
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Bernio, we all love to be entertained but we all complain if we suffer a heavy loss. I was at the Newcastle game, hardly boring, plenty of entertainment there but you know what? Not one smiley face on the way out. I also beg to differ on your assessment of City that "project" started a long time ago and is well funded.
ItalianYiddo
24/11/2013 22:15:00
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spurfect one I agree mate, I am as happy as you are but it was never be an easy task to bring in 7+2 players in and hit the ground running, has it ever been done?
ItalianYiddo
24/11/2013 22:19:00
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Bernio, our first and second choice LB are injured, Ekotto had some awful games last season and was put out on loan. You can argue that it wasn't a wise decision but if his attitude wasn't right the manager has to take a decision.
ItalianYiddo
24/11/2013 22:23:00
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Of course hitting the ground running was never going to be easy, nor should it be expected, but we're quickly approaching Christmas and we've not shown much if anything in the way of cohesion. It's also the same way we played last season, seemingly out of ideas before the whistle blew to start the match. Let's put it this way, under Redknapp the most frustrating matches were when we came up against a resolute defence, couldn't break them down and possibly conceded a goal. That seems to be the case every game now.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
24/11/2013 22:29:00
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I'm not ready to discard AVB yet. Harry left the squad in a mess and the club lost its best players. AVB secured our highest ever points tally and we're 12 games in. No manager can be blamed for his players making individual errors. That's nothing to do with his philosophy or tactics on the day. That just happens. Only team selection can change that if those players keep making errors.

We do need to become more expansive in our football though. We need to start taking a few chances when we have the ball and be prepared to lose possession. It's not as if we're bad at getting it back most of the time.
muttley
24/11/2013 22:30:00
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So chalk it down to one of those games where the best team doesn't win. City got lucky but surely our luck will change soon.
Slurms McKenzie
24/11/2013 22:31:00
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IY no it has never been that easy, nor should it be an excuse to collapse after conceding an early goal either. What im trying to say is we have been coached hard to beat and solid but when it comes to chasing and being more expansive we have not got a clue, i'm like you and want a bit more patience shown, but historically Levy is not so patient especially when the players values decrease due to poor performances.
spurfect one
24/11/2013 22:33:00
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The best team won by a mile Slurms, and 9 out of 10 times they will, they are the better team, they gave us a lesson a couple of seasons ago at home 1-5 if I remember right.
ItalianYiddo
24/11/2013 22:37:00
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spurfect, Levy has little choice but to be patient and it will pay off. I agree AVB and the team need to up their game, no excuses for today's shamble.
ItalianYiddo
24/11/2013 22:41:00
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Italian, only if you want to embrace a crazy standpoint thats based on nothing more then reality
Slurms McKenzie
24/11/2013 22:44:00
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It is beyond coincidence that so many players can all hit the wall on the same day, it can only be explained by the fact, that exactly as at Chelsea, the players are being asked to play in a "system", or more accurately a "shambles" that a) they don't believe in, or b) understand. We are asking accomplished experienced international footballers to play out of position, and out of character, for what, to satisfy the theories of a 34 year old green horn coach, with no playing experience, and whose sole claim to fame was 1 successful season in Portugal with somebody else's team, that was full of top class players in a Mickey Mouse league. He has now had 2 jobs in the EPL, and has displayed the same qualities in both, a lack of tactical knowledge, the inability to set a team up properly, strange and inconsistent selection ideas, a massive ego and attitude that only he is right, and therefore there is no need to change, poor man management skills. I thought that clearly on display today, after the West Ham and Newcastle results, was a team going through the motions, resigned to defeat very early on, and not really determined or eager to fight, a team lacking belief in what they are doing, and who they are doing it for, in short the coach has lost the players. In fact the last 15-20 minutes were painful to watch with every Spurs player just waiting for the final whistle. We are breaking all the records, losing margin at home in PL, biggest defeat in the PL for Christ knows how long. This guy will never cut the mustard in England, he lacks the required knowledge and experience, there is no soft ware that makes a good coach. Many of us said he was the wrong choice all along, and believe me it gives us no pleasure to be proven right, but something must be done and quick, before damage is done that will take a long time to repair. How long do we expect the likes of Lloris, Verts, Sandro, Paulinho, and Eriksen amongst others, to hang around a club that it is a shambles, they are all quality players that haven't become poor over night, all would be sought after elsewhere, and none can afford to damage their own international standing or reputation, for the sake of a coach who should display "L" plates on his back in the dug out. Come on Mr. Levy admit you have got it wrong, after all it's a long way from being the first time, get rid, and let's find somebody with the background, the competence, the experience, and the ability to command the respect of the players, to mould what is a bunch of quality players into a coherent squad/team, and start the repair job. the end of the season will be too late, Christ knows how far down this clown will take this great club by then. So much for the new direction, it is now patently obviously the wrong direction.
Frank
24/11/2013 22:46:00
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Lloris gifted them two goals, and the rest is irrelevant because that sealed it - everything else was a consequence of his shocking lapse. All the weeks training, preparation,plans go out the window when you're 3-0 down in the first quarter of the match - no team can come back from that away to a team like City.
Totally ignoring that and blaming it ALL on AVB is more out anger at the humiliation of it all - not saying AVB is blameless at all. If anything, his handling of the Benny and Ade situation may still result in him losing his job.
Durbanspur
24/11/2013 22:51:00
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The similarity in the perceived qualification to manage Spurs, between this guy and one One Day Ramos are scary. He came having cracked eggs with big sticks in Spain, and was on schedule to getting us relegated before he was outed, and the situation rescued, please Levy don't allow history to repeat itself.
Frank
24/11/2013 22:54:00
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Cider, he aint even put the fffffing wheels on yet!!.....oh i see this is the excuse thread. Bring it on.
tophobunty1882
24/11/2013 22:55:00
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Durbanspur, today was a culmination, not a surprise or a one off. We have to consider the humiliation at home to West Ham, the loss at home to Newcastle, the abysmal Goals scored stats, our goal difference being in the minus and akin to teams at the bottom of the league, the fact that we have been rescued from 3 0-0 draws by penalty wards at least 2 of which were dodgy, our inconsistent team selections, tactics, or lack of them, the negative, boring football on offer. Today was just, or should be the final straw in a list of factors all of which are taking us gradually down the league.
Frank
24/11/2013 23:02:00
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Full credit should be given to the hard core Spurs supporters who traveled to The Etihad and were singing to the bitter end, it's a shame that in his after match "statement" AVB didn't offer a profound apology to them, for the humiliation they had been forced to endure for 93 minutes. When he said that the players "should be ashamed" did he once again excuse himself from that, after all he picked them, coached them, set them up, and presumable briefed them on the game. The fact that it all went tits up, is down to him at least as much as the players, the same as when we win he wallows in the credit for it.
Frank
24/11/2013 23:09:00
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I am a staunch supporter of AVB but even I am now concern about our performance under him. The rumblings of discontent will only get louder unless we start getting some convincing results and more importantly better performances all round. I still have hope. COYS
Madaboutspurs
24/11/2013 23:13:00
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Frank, AVB said everybody concerned should look at themselves after that performance.
matt hoten
24/11/2013 23:27:00
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Loud belly laughs have been heard emminating from a seaside house at Sandbanks, Dorset, I can't imagine why.
Frank
24/11/2013 23:30:00
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Matt Hoten, I'll send the prat a mirror in the post.
Frank
24/11/2013 23:32:00
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Frank, I am not dismissing any of the points you raise - in brief, I'm just saying that he is running out of time as opposed to 'he must go now'
Durbanspur
24/11/2013 23:37:00
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Our next 5 fixture include 3 of the top 5, we have Man Utd and Liverpool at home, and Southampton away, sandwiched between these before Xmas, we have also got Fulham and Sunderland away. Then by the time the window opens we also have WBA and Stoke City at home, and Man Utd away. We will certainly have a very clear picture of where we are by the time these games are played, we clearly need to dramatically improve.
Frank
24/11/2013 23:56:00
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We lost away to city. We played badly, yes. But it doesnt really effect our season's ambition too much as I wouldnt expect too much from such a fixture anyway. How will we react is the question. I think keeping tight at the back ,as avb usually prefers, is a must. This allows us to pick up points even when our attack is misfiring. We must remember that we are not playing at our best and are still only 4 points of 2nd place. Fixing our attack is complicated. Playing Ade, lamela, townsend and dembele together is an option. Playing 442 will get us demolished, but that is also an option. Giving soldado more time may be difficult.
2ndeleven11
25/11/2013 00:22:00
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Keep the faith people. A win against utd and we'll probably be a a couple of points of 2nd. Maybe this loss will be a catalyst for a big jump in our performance level. Just remember that we've kept picking up points trough this rough spell, which is the most important thing
2ndeleven11
25/11/2013 00:29:00
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sandroman ... I agree ... AVB needs to pick the same team in the league for a few games ... otherwise we're never going to get it right.
Geofspurs
25/11/2013 00:33:00
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We someone who is creative in midfield. We are not finding a way through to gaol despite some excellent build-up play. We also need Benny ... I've always liked him and always thought LB was his position ... okay, he has a rush of blood at times, but who doesn't?
Geofspurs
25/11/2013 00:39:00
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Cant blame the avb all the way. Atleast he played with 2 wingers. Problem with this season have been our slow build up play. Even spam can do well against us without we having a clue to try something else. Sure *****ty was way better team but after that game I need to ask Levy to send me a bottle of gin and some weed twice a week if he wants to keep us finnish spurs fans happy.
FinnYid
25/11/2013 00:46:00
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'need'
Geofspurs
25/11/2013 01:01:00
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Reposted ... This is the biggest disaster since 1882! We are now 2 points off of joint fourth place and 4 points off of second ... that's nearly the amount of points awarded for wining one whole game!! I cannot remember a Spurs team being in such an unenviable league position in the 53 years I have supported them. I really think we should all give up now. I mean, for God's sake ... what is there left to play for? And the story gets worse ... there are only 24 games of this season left, so there is absolutely no coming back from this loss against a mediocre team like City on their own ground ... is there?
Geofspurs
25/11/2013 01:26:00
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Embarrassed and Angry. Unacceptable but perhaps not the end of the world. Found it amazing that when Ade was subbed in, he was moving forward and asking for the ball and got nada. Lennon only player running AT defenders...real team malaise in the final third, no service and poor corners. Read somewhere that Spurs have the fewest offsides in BPL and one can see why. The team as a whole has not the slightest creative idea what to do once they enter the final third...Very timid and lacking...Why no Townsend? I will give Kaboul a bye as he is just coming back but donkey dawkins was halaciously bad...Most telling statistic is that Aguero has more goals than Spurs combined...Unacceptable...He is a striker that aggressively runs AT players...where is ours? City not that great...(see Dortmund game)but we made them look like ruthless gods. AVB had better pull the bung out because certain players (ie. Soldado) have completly lost their confidence...This is a good team playing very, very poorly right now and Man U will destroy us if present team attitude prevails. I am angry that we have signed all of this talent that now seems adrift and gooners make one...just one mind you signing and get it completly spot on! The natives are restless and AVB will have his own downward spiral unless he starts bailing water.
CharlieTott
25/11/2013 01:49:00
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Let's face it, a 6 goal calamity happens now and again. The opposition plays a blinder and they all go in. But with Spurs the thing I simply don't get is the NIL.
Wyn Mills
25/11/2013 01:57:00
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All blame AVB, the Fu(king players are the disgrace Lloris two school boy errors Dawson no mans land Nogoalado is a waste of fu(king space they are all to blame not just the coach he needs a kick up the arse he looked absolutely clueless 2-0 after 30mins and he sits on hands Ade should of been on after 2nd goal went it ... Soldado has to be dropped waste of space making Rebrov look good in a Spurs shirt !!!!
E17YID
25/11/2013 04:36:00
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topho....Prior to yesterday's game we were still in contention for champs league place. A win would've seen us in top 4. Whilst i agree we have not looked convincing in a lot of our games thus far this season, still being up and around the champs league placings (pre match) points to the wheels at least on, if not moving. Another showing like yesterday next week and i'd suggest the wheels haven't just come off, but the whole b/oody cart is wrecked.

As for excuses...Not for me, you may recall that on numerous occasions that i thought we were not all that last season, and that Bale enabled us to finish where we did. IMO it was not a true reflection of how we performed as a team, but more about Bale's brilliance. We have started IMO, how we finished last season. 7 new signings meant i had to give benefit of doubt, i actually still think most of the players are good enough, but for me,it was not the losing yesterday, but the manner of the loss. Is AVB in over his head?, does he over think things?, is he too rigid in tactics?, based on what we witnessed yesterday blame has to be directed at him also. Schoolboy errors for most of the goals have to be factored in, and whilst many will look at the scoreline and question the defensive failings, and rightly so, for me, it is right through the current set up. Where was the final 3rd again?, they didn't look all that at the back in the 1st half, is this AVBs tactics that are stopping us from playing to our strengths?, so many questions and he is the manager. He has to quickly learn to get the best out of this team, if not, he may just find himself surplus to requirements, and or, some of the talent that we do possess may just seek pastures new. No excuses....and no repeats.
Cider spurs
25/11/2013 06:44:00
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