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Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool

7 Premiership points out of 9, 10 Goals in 4 matches! And at last! Soldado on the score sheet so some momentum to carry us into a busy December schedule. Question: When you see the amount of chances we had in the 6 yard box against Sunderland, you have to ask: if Soldado had played instead of Defoe would a couple of them have gone in? Let`s face it the higher the intensity of our game the more chances we create, the more chances we provide the better Soldado will be. So let`s please play some direct football and not this sideways push and pass.

Back to reality......Liverpool or rather, Loiuse Suarez and his backing group! So who and how do we play this one especially with a reshuffled back four? Cut off the supply to Suarez for a start, Dawson will have to play so let`s pray he doesn`t get turned every five minutes otherwise Lloris will have to play as a sweeper as well as a keeper! This game will be won or lost in the midfield because that is where the supply to Suarez will be and now that Liverpool`s engine room Gerrard is out they won`t be able to spray the ball around the pitch, distribution will be more box to box rather than threaded aerial passes, which means passes in the channels will have to be cut out before they get to Suarez. One thing is for sure Liverpool will not come to park the bus, which means there will be space at WHL, a commodity that has been very scarce recently when you look at how Wet Spam, Hull and then Newcastle clogged up our midfield and crowded the last 3rd of the pitch.

To be fair without Suarez Liverpool look very ordinary. Sturridge is injured but a Coutinho/Suarez duo is still going to be a handful. Against Wet Spam the Liverpool score flattered them. Gerrard went off with a hamstring and although Wet Spam were behind Liverpool did not look that comfortable. Away from home Liverpool struggle but our home form ain`t exactly good either! What we need is the same level of intensity and concentration that we showed Manure, in fact, we could probably do with Sandro looking after Suarez whilst we put Townsend and Lennon on either wing and give Liverpool`s back four something to think about! Unfortunately, we do not have any height up front which means crosses into the box will be on the deck not in the air. Adebayour looks like a busted flush, he can`t even get in the same post code let alone in the side at the moment!!

Demebele would work in this game because of his ability to change direction and break through first and second tackles but he must release the ball earlier and he must play higher up the pitch. Given that Gerrard will not be there it will be a battle between Sandro Paulinho and Dembele vs Joe Allen, Coutinho and probably Lucas, as Henderson is a doubt.

Lennon and Townsend have to be playing because we need width. When Leighton Baines went off injured early in the second half of the Merseyside derby Martinez brought on Gerard Deulofeu to make sure Everton continued to have width and moved Gareth Barry to left-back. That is because Martinez knows that Liverpool are vulnerable to genuine speed on the flanks.

Liverpool like to get men in the box, they always crowd the 6 yard box when they get a cross in. Sterling could play but he still looks very raw and although he has pace he does not have the control yet. Victor Moses however could get the nod and he will need to be dealt with. We can`t afford to play the high line and press high up the pitch and leave all that space behind us because one lost ball in possession in midfield will be an open invitation for Suarez. Walker is going to have a busy day! We need to play if from the back and get the ball out to the wide men we cannot allow the ball to be lost in the middle of the park because Liverpool will exploit us at the breakdown.

Liverpool will start to get frustrated if they don`t get the space they want or the possession and I do not think they have the quality on the bench that we have. The game will probably be decided in the last 20 minutes as I can see this being a tight match. We can`t rely on our outfield players to supply the goals so we need to create chances in and around the box which means Lennon and Townsend have to get that ball into the 6 yard box as many times as possible for Soldado. I would prefer Soldado to Defoe for this one especially now he has his touch back.

These are the games that define our season. A win at the Lane would set us up for a real assault on the top 3. I can see scum coming unstuck at Citeh on Saturday and someone dropping points between Newcastle and Southampton and a tight one at Chavski and the Villans. We showed what we can do against Manure and we nearly took that game so let`s step it up a gear and take it to the Pool, get an early goal and make them come out to play us and leave some space for Lennon, Walker and Townsend to exploit.

COYS!

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Date:Friday December 13 2013

Time: 6:00PM

Your Comments

3-0 Spurs!! COYS
Geofspurs
As the article says, an early goal would set things up. Liverpool would have to come at us and with Lennon right and Townsend left we will have pace and space to exploit the gaps. Soldado needs to play as long as he pulled up okay after Thursday. I'd keep Capoue in the backline; with Sandro in front of him Suarez might find things a bit tougher. I'd also play Chiriches. Can't wait to see AVB's team selection. Be interesting to see the teams this thread produces, too!
Geofspurs
Loris,Rose,Vlad,Capoue,Walker,Dembele,Sandro,Paulinho,Lennon,Townsend,Soldado.Second half bring on Lamela for Lennon on right,Holtby or Eriksen for Dembele.
Greavesaboveall
I agree with Capoue and Vlad in the back four Geoff. Daws isn't quick enough against the likes of Suarez. They haven't enough from the front to need Daws quality at heading. Lloris in goal with Walker and Rose/Fryers at LB. Sandro and Holtby with Lennon Lamela and Townsend and Soldado/Defoe up front.
longtimespur
Forgot about Paulinho, maybe him instead of Lamela.
longtimespur
I can't see Daws not playing..as unsuited as he is for dealing with Suarez....he's our only fit CB at the moment....Capoue had to make a great last ditch tackle against Anji if that was suarez it's in the back of the net...(although i think it was Fryers mistake) Will kaboul or more likely Vald be fit?....if so wich partnership has played together most often?.....I suspect it'll be Daws and Vlad....
shedboy2
I'd go with Soldado and Kaboul (if fit) but think the team may look like this...

........................Defoe....................
Townsend..........Pauli.............Lennon..
..........Dembele.........Sandro..............
Rose........Vlad.................Daws........Walker.....
........................Lloris..............................
shedboy2
I think you have to play your best XI leaving impact subs to do just that, impact the game. I would start Lloris, Walker, Dawson, Chiriches, Rose, Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho, Chadli, Lennon, Soldado. Townsend, Defoe and Lamela as impact subs, Naughton and Capoue, just in case, maybe Sigurdsson or Holtby and then Friedel. COYS
peterballb
coops- I would allow Dembele some freedom as imo I think Sandro does a better job of screening on his own.....so you could look at it like this as well:

..........................Soldado....................
Townsend...Dembele.....Pauli.....Lennon..
...........................Sandro..................
Rose.............Vlad............Daws........Walker.....
............................Lloris..............................

I also would be tempted with Chadli to start as per peter's reasoning...I just think Townsend does start quickly and being at home he can help us set the tempo...
shedboy2
The question is how do you fit Holtby, Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho into the three spaces available to them. Holtby's been playing great and scoring class goals, Sandro is a beast, Dembele was strong last night and we'll need that against Liverpool, and Paulinho is stuck on to start... Definitely like to see Townsend left and Azza right. Townsend looks much more of a team player when he cuts in from the left, doesn't always want to shoot with his weaker foot, Lennon destroyed Liverpool last season, scored the eventual winner and in the second half chased and shut their players down so much I even saw Adebayor run after someone once....no joke.... WHL will be rocking Sunday, we've been starved of a decent KO time recently and 4pm will feel like a Saturday 5:45 ko... My money is on Holtby who doesnt make the cut but if AVB wants to go with a faster paced attacking team it could be Dembele. COYMFS !!
T.H.F.Chris
Oh and don't forget young Christian Eriksen is back !!
T.H.F.Chris
WTF, I have just seen the scum have only given us 8% ticket allocation as opposed to the 15% we are entitled to, f6(king w4£kers !!!!
T.H.F.Chris
Like your team shed boy, but I have a massive man crush on holtby at the moment. Sandro needs to be in coutinho's face cutting off supply and flair. Slightly more confident after reading the article. 2-0 to spurs.
van der haart lane
Lot's of post's mention this Pool player and that Pool player, who ever AVB picks, will also know all about them, but we have players who can hurt them all over the park, a lot is made of Suarez, yes his a very good player, a very clever player, but he is also a complete ''hot head'' now Dawson is not the quickest, but his not slow and he will get stuck into Suarez make no mistake about that, if we start at a high tempo, get them on the back foot, no reason why we can't get into an early lead, be aware of them from set plays, get Suarez rattled and on a early yellow and he will be off. I can see us winning and Suarez sent off.
spu 4 life
Come on you SPURS & Win Win Win !
Madaboutspurs
Dawson to play and marshall his defence, making for an afternoon of frustration for the talented but despicable Suarez.
Hotspur 1882
I like Oyveh Maria's pre-match articles. Very informative. Thanks. We can win this game if we play to our potential. We fear nobody. Let's do this. COYS...WINX3!
Madaboutspurs
I can see a place for Holtby to shut off allen...and that may happen but for me the mid 3 of Sandro, Dembele and pauli is powerful....
shedboy2
Hmm, some interesting (and seemingly obvious) choices of team selection, but I think some peeps will be not too happy with whatever team AVB puts out. Now judging by how AVB goes about EL and PL and noting the players that played full (and almost) 90 mins against Anzhi, IMO, the team would be more like, Lloris, Walker (omitted Thurs), Daws (Capt and omitted Thurs), Vlad (if fit) else Capoue, Rose (should be ready), Lenon , Sandro, Pauly (all omitted Thurs), Dembele (for 75 mins), Chadli (omitted Thurs), Defoe (saved for this match).

If we need to chase the game, Soldado on for Dembele. Townsend on for Chadli. Hotby may come on as the last sub to harass every Liverpool player towards the end!

I think we did well containing Suarez in previous matches, but he only needs ONE chance as has shown in the past, Would require our defence to be very alert. I personally think Liverpool with come with a plan to play possession footy and rely on a break or a moment of magic. They are not a ‘hoof it’ team. But I think we have a monster midfield in Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho to muscle them out of the game. Expect at least 5 bookings in this match!

Time to get in to HYPER GEL mode!. Might Spurs to win3-1. COYS!
Critical_Spur
BTW, OyVeh, another great pre-match article. Thanks.
Critical_Spur
coopsie ... good point about Dembele and Paulinho ... but I'm not sure they need license to swap; I think they could do that as a normal part of the game anyway. They are both fairly intelligent players and should be able to work out that if one has the opportunity to move forward, the other gives him cover. It's just a matter of how well they read the game and see the dangers. When they all know each other's game well, that's the kind of understanding between players that will make our team so good. I just woke up and not sure if this is clear! ;)
Geofspurs
spu ...I'd like to think your post is an accurate prediction!
Geofspurs
critical ... dead right about not pleasing everyone with the team selection; that's because we have so many good players, and you've gotta love that. ;)
Geofspurs
My starting 11 for Liverpool. I can see defoe going missing in a game like this. ..........................Soldado.................... Townsend..............Holtby...........Lennon.. ......................Dembele.....Pauliniho.................. Rose.............Vlad............Daws........Walker..... ............................Lloris..............................
Rapm
- Loris, Walker, Dawson, Capue, Vlad, Sandro, Demb, Paul, Lennon, Chad, Defo. - is my guess. Pool RB needs marking, be it Johnson/ana. They like to use their Fb's, lennon will have the other side. Defo needs Chad for target man. Capue is doing too well, Rose not ready to risk in big game, AVB should value his fitness over single game, imo. That's our most dominant MF line up. 2 goals from MF, Dembe/Paul, at least. Walker (right side) big time offensive, left defensive.
ardone
ardone ... looks good but maybe Soldado for Defoe, and Townsend for Chadli. Mind you, they could come off the bench in any case. Whatever team plays there will be some great options on the bench ... and that's where AVB comes in!
Geofspurs
Some people talk about AVB's lack of experience. Some say look at what he did with Porto. Some people talk about certain players not being good enough. Some sing their praises. Some of us say a win is a win. Some say, regardless of the result, we should be playing better football. Some of us believe that we have our best ever squad. Some say yes, but we need time to gel. Some say we are short of a couple of world class players. Some say, that after spending all that money, if we don't finish in the top four then we are in decline. Others say they would be content with top 6 and a trophy. Some don't care. Most of us do care. Andre's the bees knees. Villas-Boas is a clown. No plan B. We are lucky. We are unlucky. We can't score. We will score. Inverted wingers are rubbish. Lennon on the right. Townsend on the left. Siggy is *****. Chadli is *****. Kyle N is *****. Michael Dawson is *****. Brad is past it. Adebayor is a waste of space. Andros can't shoot to save his life. Arsenal are looking good. United looking bad. Chelsea are boring. City are scoring so many goals. Spurs can't score enough. The Trophy cabinet is half full. No, it's half empty! The future is Lilywhite. The future is grey. Levy is God. Levy is a senseless fool. Joe Lewis is God. Lewis is the devil incarnate. Blah, blah, blah! Blah, blah, blah! We are Spurs. THFC. Yid Army. Lilywhites! Tottenham 3-1 Liverpool.
MAN ON!
Man On.. you got all the views, in one post... well done.. lol COYS
Block D Spurs
MAN ON ... I'm proud of you, mate ... Oh, Yes, and about the trophy cabinet ... we're going to need a bigger one!! COYS
Geofspurs
Man ON - Do you do sign language?
Love totty
Funny post, MAN ON :-)
Madaboutspurs
I wouldn't be unhappy if both Chadli and Defoe start. Bringing Townsend and Soldado on for the last 20 to wrap it up would be a smart move. Gutted if neither Lennon, Sandro nor Dembele start. I think Holtby's improvement threatens Paulinho's place but it's still Paulinho for me.
Love totty
I agree with everything in your post MAN!
Geofspurs
interesting to see if he sets us not to lose or to win, seems to me he favours the former ethos even at home, that story largely is around Chadli v Townsend left. Like somebody else said I quite like the look of Capoue at the back, he looks good defensively, stays on his feet and is great at brining it out, Chiriches for me too. I think he is likely to start Dawson though. With Totty ref Paulinho still shading it over Holtby, assuming Sandro and Dembele are starters. AVB could go with Sandro/Paulinho and Holtby which IMO would be a mistake.
tophobunty1882
great post MAN ON!
jacobslad
Man On the cabinet is empty, fully empty.....Totty why dont we do it the other way around start fast and try to kill the game off, just like liverpool do at home, the way you suggest there is the current AVB way and it leads to us really struggling in most games. At least one time we should give it a go the positive front foot way. Geof I agree with you agreeing with everything in ManOn's post which is in my top 5 hall of fame posts now. I rented my Hall of Fame from Peter.
tophobunty1882
MAN ON I never new you were such a good poet....
T.H.F.Chris
Spurs...7/5........Liverpool...2/1.
Cider spurs
HaHa topho. I don't think it makes much difference, topho, if AVB sets it up to defend or attack ... because if Townsend and Lennon play we will be attacking anyway!
Geofspurs
Daws not play???...Are we forgetting that he is the club captain?. Capoue can do a grand job in defence agreed. However, it is not a position that he enjoys playing. Seems strange that we were all concerned with Verts annoyance at playing Left back, some even fearing it would result in him wanting to leave. When this is the case, why would some now wish to do exactly the same thing with Capoue?.
Cider spurs
I may be wrong....but I think AVB likes a Tall player on at least one of the wings, up front. I.E...to capitalise on the far post ball.
82spursdebut
MAN ON!- nice summary, we can all log off now...;)
shedboy2
cider, I think vertonghen has always been considerably more vocal in his displeasure of playing out of position, in fact the reason he was not interested in arsenal was because they wanted to play him as a defensive midfielder as well. The fact that he is rarely chosen as CB for Belgium is likely a factor too, if he plays out of position for club I guess he is more likely to for country too. I have not seen any suggestion that capoue is resentful of playing CB though, it is a position he has played quite a bit I believe and in the interviews I have read he seems to be well up for it, eager to prove himself against suarez etc
Guernman
Smash the midfield and the games for the taking. Henderson should be fit, although not the brightest light in the Liverpool team, he can pick a pass, often quick balls wide. Allen if i recall, had one of the best pass completion percentages. Think he was at Swansea at the time?. Lucas, likes a tackle. Likes his yellow cards also.

Whilst i think we have more than them in Midfield we have to be on our game. gerrard is a big loss for them, but let's not forget as has been mntioned by many before, Liverpool along with Arsenal have been playing some of the best attacking football thus far this season. This has not all been as a result of Gerrard. I hope Rose is back, Johnson will need marshalling with his forward runs from RB. Leads me nicely on to Townsend, i would like to see him start, help us to get the lead, take the attack to Liverpool. Now, if we get the lead and are comfortable keep him on by all means, if however Liverpool dominate in attack, Chadli offers more defensively than Townsend, bring him on. I'm not sure if i want a MF of all three of Sandro, Paulinho and Dembele. Sandro is a must, Paulinho i cannot deny puts himself in positions to shoot at goal every game. Good at getting into the box with late runs. So, maybe Dembele could be the one i'd consider omitting. Very good at going past players and tackles well, here's the thing, does he do enough wiyh the ball after his good work. At times i'm not so sure. he does offer alot in many factors of his game, but for one so capable of beating players, his assists and goal returns are frugal at best. We may see an improvement as he has now hopefully been allowed further forward, but if a player is to play in the hole or 10, then is it not be considered a creative, goalscoring slot?. Is this Dembele?. Holtby..yes, Eriksen..yes, Chadli..yes, Lamela..yes. it's alright us bossing Midfield with power, we do however need a little creativity and guile to add to this or otherwise it means nothing.
Cider spurs
Geof I dont think Townsend will play unless we are in trouble. Cider Capoue is very happy to play CB, Verts is not very happy to play LB. Verts will leave next season if we dont make top4, playing LB makes it an easier decision for him if he plays LB a lot
tophobunty1882
Dembele must play Cider.
tophobunty1882
Looking forward to watching City v Arsenal tonight ... the best thing about it is, Spurs will win without kicking a ball!
Geofspurs
2 changes, for me, from the Sunderland game. Sandro for Holtby and Rose for Vertonghen.
82spursdebut
oops...Rose for Naughton.
82spursdebut
A bit irrelevant but.. Ledley King vs Suarez, can never forget this performance. Danny Rose also played in this game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RryeJ5KzfIk
Guyver
Nice one Man On.
chrishove123
On a separate note & a light hearted bit of fun

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1888496-tottenhams-sandro-says-he-does-not-cry-team-puts-his-words-to-the-test?

I've said it before & I'll say it again, Sandro should be our Club Captain. COYS
True Spurs Supporter
we need A STRONG REFEREE for this game as Suarez will DIVE all over the place....I'd quite like to see him get two yellows and sent off for DIVING.....
shedboy2
Guyver- what a player King was, made it look so easy, pace, power, passing, heading he had the lot.....
shedboy2
Shedboy I remember an interview Henry made when asked who was the best defender he had ever played against (might have been prem) he said Ledley was the best fairest defender he had ever played against, the one who never needed to foul to be a great defender...
tophobunty1882
That just about sums King up, topho. Pity the footballing Gods were not kinder to him!
Geofspurs
yes shedboy, he was also a very intelligent footballer, rarely caught out of position. Just 8 yellows in his premiership career and never sent off. To think he'd have probably been even better minus the injuries is a scary thought. The perfect centre back.
Guyver
So now we have the acid test. After the mauling at the Etihad, we have put together a run of decent results. Firstly we had the hard working, and reasonably creditable, draw v Man Utd (although it was 2 more points dropped at home), then we had the win at Fulham, due to an inspired 20 minutes, after 70 minutes of abject dross, with 2 long range specials winning it. This was followed by the Sunderland win, courtesy of an own goal, and a moment of selective blindness by Lee Mason, but during which in the second half we actually, for the first time all season, started to look like a Spurs team, as many of us remember one. In both games we had to concede, before we woke up. We have then won the group in the EL unbeaten, (although a rank poor group), against a team that can't buy a win in their own league. Before we do hand stands, we should remember that both Fulham, and Sunderland, are in the bottom 3, and Man Utd have well publicised troubles. Tomorrow we face in Liverpool, probably our most realistic opposition, together with Everton, likely to prevent a Spurs top 4 finish. We now need to show that we are up there with the better clubs in the league, rather than just being "flat track bullies". We have met 5 teams from the likely top 6 in Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, Everton, Man Utd, we have managed only 3 points from the 15 available, so we really must beat Liverpool to demonstrate that we deserve to be in top 6 company and to start to rescue our poor home record this season. Before the January window opens, we also play both Southampton and Man Utd (A). We really need the points, because of our abysmal GD compared to all of the rest, which is in effect a 1 point handicap. So it is time for the navel gazing to stop, the celebration of mediocrity to cease, and time to step up to the plate, and prove our PL top 4 credentials. So come on AVB and the team, let's start from here, and put together a concerted challenge for a top 4 finish, now that Soldado may have started firing, and we at last look like we are at least trying, to play like a true Spurs team, with some pace and penetration.
Frank
Geof, very true. You know I'm still not sure I have ever seen a better CB. A bit like Bobby Moore but with pace and genuinely hard.
tophobunty1882
Well said Frank ... but, let's not get too morbid if things don't go our way. There's a lot of the season to go and we can only improve!
Geofspurs
very good and fair post Frank.
tophobunty1882
topho ... certainly had the consistency and reliability of Moore! Moore probably went up-field a bit more though. So, maybe he was better at attacking and king was better at defending?!
Geofspurs
.Shed, I like this team of yours .........................Soldado.................... Townsend...Dembele.....Pauli.....Lennon.. ...........................Sandro.................. Rose.............Vlad............Daws........Walker..... ............................Lloris.............................. Townsend is the position up for grabs. Chadli played well with Rose at the start of the season or even Holtby so as to have him in the side. Townsend may do better if him comes on as a sub against worn out defenders. Will Lamella make the bench?
Halfmoon
Referee is Jonathan Moss, no relation to Jonathan Ross
spu 4 life
We can't say that this is the acid test, Frank as no one single game can ever be. I do agree however with your sentiments and will only really be convinced that a corner has been turned when we show that we can consistently comfortably see off the poorer teams.
Love totty
Halfmoon- agree, it is the position that is open. As to our bench it's difficult, someone will miss out....Lamela, Capoue, Chadli, brad, Naughton, Defoe, holtby, Gylfi, Eriksen Kaboul (if fit) can't all be involved
shedboy2
spu 4 life- what about Kate or Stirling?...;)
shedboy2
Topho - re Chadli/Townsend etc, I think that is how AVB will start and I can see the pros and cons as long as they stay left while Lennon and Walker savage them down the right flank. I don't think he can yet drop Defoe after his good showing against Sunderland where he was a tad unlucky.
Love totty
trouble is I think Defoe is more suited to Holtby and through balls but with Lennon and townsend we can feed Soldado the crosses...
shedboy2
Halfmoon, have you seen Holtby play left side? dont ruin is career please....LT Chadli will not stay left enough, but I think thats how AVB likes it, to play Rose and expect him to bomb up and down the pitch after being out for so many weeks is a big ask, another reason to start Townsend over Chadli apart from the oppo preferring Chadli to start i see nothing in it for us. Defoe yes not an easy call, I can see why he should start again. His movement last two game IMO was much better than soldado before and to a very large degree it helped to create spaces which werent there previously, taking into account they were both bottom 3 of course.
tophobunty1882
Shed would you play Holtby or Dembele if the choice was between the two?
tophobunty1882
Where's Galway Gooner when we need him?! Hiding behind the sofa probably
Paxton Chris
Man City get 6 goals at home again
spu 4 life
Good to see our neighbours concede 6 as well, both teams played well but the league leaders conceding 6 is not good :)
Kong
So so happy Arsenal not only lost they conceded 6 goals puts things into perspective. Ok they scored three but City also lost one of their best goal scorers for half the game. City are awesome at home they are banging in goals and to say Arsenal are PL leaders and gloated at us conceding 6 have they done any better against them, imo not really.

So Arsenal haven't managed to do that well against the bigger teams, this season is close so close. The one player I really dislike is Chesney and I was so happy to see 6 put passed him and him concede a penalty.
WorldPeace
bit free scoring this City lot
tophobunty1882
I would like to see Suarez try elbow and bite sandro.. the beast will take him out of the game...and off the pitch as well...
Block D Spurs
Tops- dembele he controls things...Holtby could sit on allen and break up the play but for me start Dembele get control of the game in CM let our wingers try and feed soldado and start fast.....if he starts defoe...imo he'll start Chadli for his aerial threat and because he comes inside the sort of movement that defoe is working well with...
shedboy2
Worldpeace was that just an ever so little attempt at making an excuse for us again for how badly we played away to City. I am not in the excuse camp are you now? But thank you for a short post.
tophobunty1882
WorldPeace….Agree about the goalie as he's always gloating along with Wilshere. Good to see them taught a lesson….... Wheres Galway Gooner when you need him?
MAN ON!
To our game tomorrow. I would love to see us attack and use Townsend on the left, see if he can do what he has done recently on the left but I think AVB will look at stopping them play as well and winning the midfield and defneding as a team and Townsend is so so weak at doing any defensive duties, he is a luxary player imo. So I would expect Chadli to take LW with Lennon right and if Capoue plays CD then I would expect three in the middle, Sandro, Dembele and Paulinho behind the striker although AVB may go for Holtby over Dembele and then sub him after he has worked his socks off. However, if Vlad is back and Copoue doesn't play in the back line it will be interesting to see if he starts in the middle instead of Dembele or Holtby, be rewarded for filling in and doing a good job in the last two games.

I think if we get the midfield won and stop supply to the front men Saurez in particular then we have a good chance but we also need to attack with pace and create. If it wasn't Liverpool I think Townsend would get a chance to impress on the left but as it is Liverpool I think AVB will start a bit safer and play Chadli but if we need a goal towards the end then he may take the chance and sub Chadli and bring Townsend on. For me if Townsend is to get established in our team he needs to improve his work rate as a team player and track back like Lennon does. He is not good enough to be let off like bale was and imo the best player we have at tracking back on that left is Chadli.
WorldPeace
MAN ON, GG strikes me as the type of poster who only comes on here when arsenal are doing well. Sure he tries to come across as fair and balanced but he mainly comes here to gloat in a under-handed way. Worse then a troll imo, at least with a troll you know what you're getting.
spurfect one
tophobunty - no I am not in the excuse camp, never will be. We were pathetic at City I accept that but I am saying that a lot of teams have conceded lots of goals at City. I am actually just laughing at Arsenal losing and having six put passed them and glad to see Chesney and Wiltshere be victims of poor play because they are always gloating at us. I am for once having a laugh at Arsenal, not usually my style, but hey I am aloud a bit of fun lol but it doesn't take away the fact we were dreadful at City and haven't been great all season, I do not swap camps, I am not in a camp to be able to swap.
WorldPeace
Love totty..since our little chat.. spurs are playing better and wining as i said we would... you warming up the humble pie yet..?..lol :-)
Block D Spurs
I think Townsend has recently showed more defensive awareness and has been working on it to improve his game. He does look to me like a player that is willing to learn and be more flexible. However I would play Chadli tomorrow for the same reason as you, WorldPeace.
MAN ON!
spurfect one….Agreed. But I did enjoy setting him up yesterday..
MAN ON!
The concede lots of goals at City because like us City have very good players, but with slightly more world class players and an attitude to just go at the oppo. I guess they are better placed to do that fully than we are, but the gap in mentality should not be that great. I tend not to laugh at Arsenal because they always finish above us. Good to hear you are not camp and I really like reading your posts, even the xxxl ones.....Blockd save that humble pie until we have beatn a decent side not the 2 bottom 3 sides we just beat. That pie could come back to you double quick. While you are making these fantasy pies LT is very firmly in the real world. Having said all that we all want us to win tomorrow dont we?
tophobunty1882
Shed, me too Dembele over Holtby, what about Paulinho v Holtby?
tophobunty1882
I've opened the packet, BlockD but it can quite easily go back in the freezer. :) When you say "better" are you referring to two narrow wins over relegation fodder and a makeshift Russian team on their way to he beach? Progress yes but will it come too late for our challenge? We'll see.
Love totty
topho.. i was not talking to you .. so lets keep it sensible..and when i have something to say which is addressed to you then you can respond.. COYS
Block D Spurs
Arse get hit for 6. Wenger out? Wonder what the daily mail headlines will be.
StillRickyVilla
----------------------------Soldado------------------------------------- ----Townsend------------------------------------Lennon------------------------------------------Dembele-------------------------------------------------------Paulinho----------Sandro------------------------------Rose---------------------------------------------------Walker----------------------Chiriches----------Capoue-----------------------------------------------------Lloris------------------------------------
mellowchaos
If Atkinson had had the required bottle then he should have shown Szczesny a red card, that and Kosclelny getting crocked would have really pi$$ed on Wenger's matches ready for Xmas.
Frank
EAGLES!
MAN ON!
I am a bit worried about the choice of Jon Moss to referee our game tomorrow. He was on Mark Halsey's list of "less than competent PL refs" and has shown a lack of the ability to control games, and a distinct lack of bottle on several occasions. Not the best choice for this game, cheers Mr. Reilly.
Frank
sorry i meant they score lots of goals do City...
tophobunty1882
Newcastle lead Southampton 1-0, they might be coming up on the rails for a shout at a top 4 spot, they are the PL form team.
Frank
mellow i think i would go with that side youve posted, which means AVB wont, i think the back four will be different, the midfield will be different and the forward different. Lloris yes.
tophobunty1882
BlockD can i put it in my diary? Cant wait. Keep watching that stanchion mate. Anyway let me know. Is it like an audience with Rolf Harris?
tophobunty1882
Spurfect, excellent appraisal of GG, he makes some sensible comments but is basically a wind up merchant. Recently he made the obvious comment that we had no world class players,true because we sold Modric and Bale and King retired, He mentioned Ozul but unfortunately Ozul like VDV cant last 90mins.
matt hoten
I am laughing at Arsenal today and will be celebrating 3 points for us tomorrow, can't wait.
Kong
mellow ... I agree with you and topho re the team selection. I think it would be a good team to go for an early goal, and there's lots of options on the bench if things need to be changed. COYS
Geofspurs
63% possession for southampton at 73 mins
tophobunty1882
Topho, Next weeks game against Southampton is going to be interesting, who is going to have the most possession. Us and Southampton both like the possession game.
Kong
Would definitely be useful to win tomorrow. Would basically close the top of the table right up. No one is looking particulaly impressive apart from city. Im not going to be a drama queen if we dont win tomorrow though. Its a 50 50 game.
StillRickyVilla
4 points off 4th so a win tomorrow can get us up to 6th....we need to stay in the mix, tough games but we have to show that we can mix it at the top of the league....
shedboy2
Palace gave Chelsea a hard time. Should have got a point.
MAN ON!
shedboy ...where's your faith? We can go above Pool and into 5th with a win today (my time) ... a 9-0 win!
Geofspurs
spurfect one matt hoten have to agree with you guys I have not tried to lower myself to his under the radar snipes at us until yesterday when he invited me into his troll world. He is nothing but a fair weather gooner troll, we wont see him on here until the scum win again............. Best thing for everyone to do is when he comes on here with his " I come in peace" ********* is for everyone on here to just ignore his comments no matter how sensible he comes across at the start!!
WestStandEnclosure
For sure shed boy. A win would really put us in the mix and a win over one of our rivals would give all the new players confidence. Need to keep suarez quiet - easier said than done! I think we will over power them in midfield but it will be our finishing versus keeping suarez quiet that will be decisive!
StillRickyVilla
Think we'll win a hard fought match tomorrow. Suarez aside, Liverpool are not all that. Yes they have players capable on the day, but this season has been all about Suarez and Sturridge. One is out and if we can nullify Suarez we should win. Add to this the missing Gerrard and you'd like to think we will be victorius. 2-0 Spurs. One coming from a magnificent free kick. Lovely!!.
Cider spurs
Should be a decent game one thing for sure I cant see Liverpool parking the bus, so we should be able to create some decent chances.
WestStandEnclosure
Liverpool will go for it and give us some space to play. 3 points tomorrow and we close right in. COYS!
Halfmoon
The key to keeping suarez quiet will be to control the game like we know we can do. Plenty of possession work their midfield and starve their supply and work our own openings patiently. The way NOT to keep suarez quiet will be to go for it gung ho creating an end to end type game. Basically suarez finishing is better than ours and we would effectively be out-gunned.
StillRickyVilla
Lads don't please ignore Coutinho when you assess Liverpool. As many of you say in defense of Soldado "a striker is only as good as his service", which is to an extent true. The bloke who regularly makes chances for both Sturridge and Suarez is Coutinho, he is a superb thinking MFer who can cause havoc with his through balls etc. He will turn out to be a masterful signing, particularly given his age, he is only a baby and will only get even better, which is frightening.
Frank
We have the players to keep Suarez quiet. He doesn't do well in one to one duels. His passing and moments of magic need to be stifled. We need to get stuck in to him from the off……... If we can play the fast paced possession football we are capable of, and get the ball in to the box early, we can beat them. Soldado up front for me but wouldn't be surprised to see Defoe there. Dawson and Vlad as our central defenders. I don't think Rose will play, so Naughton at left back. Midfield 3 of Sandro, Paulinho and Dembele. Chadli left, Lennon right. Brad in goal? AVB as Manager. Up the Spurs! 3-1.
MAN ON!
Frank..Agree ref: Coutinho, kind of liked Sandro stating that he was looking forward to playing against him. Think Sandro is going to somewhat make a point of saying "Hello" to the wee little lad tomorrow..........OUCH!!!.
Cider spurs
Frank if we can get our possession 65 per cent plus coutinho chances of creating anything will be restricted. But who knows? Anything can happen.
StillRickyVilla
Frank….Too right about Coutinho. We can't afford to over-concentrate our effort on Saurez.
MAN ON!
Another good thing about arse getting thumped for 6 at city (kind of puts the AVB hating medias comments after our game v city into perspective I wonder if wenger gets similar treatment on monday lol) is that we are back to within 1 goal of having the best defence in the league again.
StillRickyVilla
Liverpool commands respect but let them worry about us for a change. We have more than enough in our locker to ruin their Sunday. Stop their supply and we will murder them. I think our experience in midfield will be the difference as Gerrard won't be available. COYS!
James1
cmon Tottenham you can do it now thaT arsenil have benn gang banged.
Uskok
If we play Vlad and Kaboul as centre backs (or Capoue if one of them isn't fit) I think we'll win tomorrow. If Dawson plays I think we'll struggle because Coutinho and Suarez will target him and play around and through him. We are at home and must try to dictate the tempo, pace and style of the game tomorrow. If we do we will be too strong for Liverpool. We need to keep improving. Things are very tight at the top of the PL this season and it will be easy to slip out of contention with a couple of poor performances, particularly at home.
SpuriousLife
Another manager bites the dust, Steve Clarke sacked by west brom. We play them on Boxing Day.
Kong
The fans have waited a long time to see a convincing PL performance at home this season. This is an ideal time to put our marker down, following on from a recovery run and a visible change in style/speed of play. Let's hope the days of two steps forward and one back are history......or was it one forward two back?!. COYS!
Critical_Spur
Lads, if its Naughton at LB then its Chadli LW for me as we will need the defensive help. If its Rose then I would like to see AT at LW. I think the constant speed with the latter pairing would cause a lot of havoc in Liverpools back line and both can cross the ball well. I think I prefer Dembele over Holtby if he plays higher up the field but I won't fret if its Holtby. Soldado for me is an easy choice as I've never been a JD fan. I think it will be a great game and we will win.
jvd
If anyone has a site for iPads to view the game please share it with me.
jvd
James1
I'm sure Liverpool will be concerned.
Hotspur 1882
The fact that Daws was rested midweek scares me to death. I know he will start and as a result will most likely be responsible for at least one goal. Hoping to see a pairing of Capoue and Chiriches like many others are as well. Cant wait for this game and not really sure what to expect. I think we knick it late and win a scrappy 1-0 with lots of chances for both sides. COYS.
YankeeSpur23
Great comments. I think we feel good with only difficult choices in the line up being the dilemma. It's f'n hard to choose. Considering their MF is weakened, Holtby might come in handy, but then, maybe in the latter part. Pauli will be crucial for two reasons - obviously, his goal chances, but perhaps his weakness of being caught in possession. They've two Brazilians, particularly Lucas, who will know him well, although I hope we can handle the MF generaly. If Rose is fit and match sharp, we're going to be much better off. With Chadli, Beast, Paul and Demb, we're ridiculously strong, but we need our attacking threat from FBs.
ardone
Morning from Dubai, well this is a massive 3 points for us. This will definitely show intent to the other challengers. I do think Saldado needs to start, with PAulinho sitting just behind and Lennon Townsend on the wings. I think if we overrun their midfield we could do very well today. Trying to keep Suarez quiet will be difficult but if we do then this will be our day. On another note coming over for Christmas and will be at the lane on boxing day and 29th to see 2 games. all my Christmas in one, lol. looking forward to it. Hopefully walk away with 6 points. enjoy the game everyone.
markyboy40
Well done OM, u managed to insult, disrespect and jeer AVB and our players. In fact ur assessment of Liverpool is actually sad and practically as useful as one legged man at an ass kicking party! Non the less I'm really forward to this match. Soldado had recently spoken of his wife having a miscarriage and his words to the Spurs fans really tell a great story about his personality. He actually seems like more of a Spurs fan than most on here... coopsie maybe it was a little smoke and mirrors re Defoe definitely starting. Can't really see how Defoe would hurt liverpools back 4, if anything they are weak down the flanks and will struggle if Rodgers persist with no natural RW against us. Henderson was effectively used to contain at RM and ping passes into Saurez. Walker IMO will eat Coutinho for breakfast and pocket some change from a goal or an assist. Rodgers has got his selection wrong a couple of times last month so I get the feeling he may very well be under pressure for this one. I'm going for a Spurs 3-1 with. Walker, Dawson,Chiri,Rose, Lennon, Sandro, dembele, Townsend (looks like he has learnt to def finally),Paul and Soldado. #coys
Mix26
Yankee, you think Dawson will start and be responsible for at least one goal but you expect us to win 1-0.
matt hoten
Wouldn't underestimate Rodgers, this will be a good test for us.
matt hoten
Let's get at them from the start and cause them problems, let's do our job and not focus just on Suarez, yes he is very good but we can cope. COYS
Kong
Keep the ball away from the feet of Suarez in the box and we will be fine. If we fail to do so, it will be Dawson on his backside, with Suarez running away celebrating...
Pele10
It is not just Dawson that has to worry about Suarez, the whole team does. Yes they have a game changer that can change things but we need more than just Dawson to stop him but Dawson needs to be on top of his game today. Will be a great game.
Kong
Another testing week. Excellent home record vs Liv'pl, of recent times. Off the back of some decent results. Should be looking to win this one and put any doubters (like me), to bed. "Come on you Spurs".
82spursdebut
The physio room has Vlad down as a late fitness test for today and considering AVB told Danny Rose to play on thursday for as long your feeling ok, lasting 45mins, I can't see AVB risking him in such a massive game, he can get some more minutes under his belt in the capital one cup in midweek, going with Lloris Walker Capoue Dawson Naughton Lennon Paulinho Sandro Chadli Holtby Soldado, a team which includes only 4 players from thursday, it's a hard call which to play up top, but AVB was not going to come out on thursday night and say Soldado will start on sunday, that's for behind closed doors and speaking to Defoe first, then again he might even start Defoe, but for me having just scored a hat-trick and feeling a little better about himself, goals and confidence back going with Soldado makes sense. Still who ever plays today, let's just win this game, we need the three points.
spu 4 life
Well, here we are again. Another stern test supposedly to prove our credentials. Will we see the assured possession game allowing for us to make Liverpool chase the game?. the defence certainly seemed tighter when we played this way, goals seemed to be harder to come by however. Will we go for the faster passing attack play, more goals appear to have been scored in this style, but IMO the defence has not looked as assured. Either way, i so hope we score first, and i think one of our wingers will have a big say in the way this game pans out. Johnson at RB needs taking care of also, he is more than capable of drifting in when in the final 3rd and unleashing a half tidy effort. Henderson can get a bit chewy at times (Suarez jokes aside), can we frustrate him enough to unsettle his game?. If we play to the levels that we can, we have enough ability to secure the three points. Tentative start will see nervy football follow. Fans will become frustrated which in turn filters down to the players. Intent from the outset, regardless of what tactics deployed, let's look assured and confident in all we do.
Cider spurs
Must crack on Breakfast to get and watch my recording of last nights Strictly :-)
spu 4 life
Another personal attack by Mix26, on the article writer with no found basis for his attack what soever, as the online bully boy writes "OM, u managed to insult, disrespect and jeer AVB and our players. In fact ur assessment of Liverpool is actually sad and practically as useful as one legged man at an ass kicking party!" How long are the powers that be on Vital Spurs going to allow this nasty Internet bully boy to continue to come on this site and slag of the writers who work hard to provide us with these articles without being paid, as well many other members who's opinions he does not agree with. The Report Abuse buttons have stopped the online coward using his coded disgraceful foul mouth language on fellow Spurs fans, which he got away with for years, which used to beat the bad language spell checks, but he continues his relentless campaign of foul mouthed abuse on other Spurs fans thousands of miles away from North London...
Pele10
spu...I think that is a good call ref: Rose. Again makes sense to play Chadli to help Naughton. Johnson ( as stated) will need to be marshalled with his forward runs. If they get too much joy down the Right, maybe Townsend would be a good call to put them on the back foot. it could be argued that Townsend would put them on the back foot from the off if he started, i just don't know how tight AVB wants to keep it. Chadli obviously offers more defensively, and AVB does like to keep things tight without too many risks involved early on.
Cider spurs
I don't think it matters which team AVB puts out the difference between them and us is that they 2 very sharp goalscorers (1 not playing today) who can create goals out of nothing for themselves and do not necessarily require a great deal of service whereas we do not. So the key will be can Suarez be nullified as he has been in the past at the Lane and can we score a goal? Neither DeFoe nor Soldado have been convincing in the Premier League so that probably means an outfield player or two will have to step-up. In that respect, Holtby looks the most potent given Dembele's lack of finishing and Pulinho's inability to take advantage of his excellent positional sense, but Holtby is unlikely to feature, at least at the start. An intriguing test for AVB. Will he continue with the more open expansive game we have been playing in the last few games, or will he revert to the possession game and look for a break-out goal?
Harry-Kari
After a less than auspicious November, December is looking rather sweet. Three wins and one draw so far with five games to go to see the month out. Win this game and it could be one of our best months for a very long time as the following four games are certainly winnable. We could well be in the midst of the run we've all been waiting for. One point would maintain our momentum, but three points would make the strongest statement possible; and we are quite capable of securing all three points! COYS
Geofspurs
Mix26's classroom online bully boy gang member comes on here and condones the abuse on the article writer...
Pele10
Footballers and Razor Blades..Lee Sharp..Keith Gilletespie....Alright...i know!!.
Cider spurs
Foam or away...I hope we win.
Cider spurs
Jvd, I haven't found a site that allows viewing on an ipad. But if you have a friend with sky sports you could get them to activate your device as one of their 4 devices allowed to use their sky go facility. You just download the app and watch sky sports on that. Only works when a match is on sky as far as I know!
Dublin Hotspur
Buzzin' for this game today. Would've been watchin it with one of my old friends, alas he passed away a couple of months back. Liverpool through and through, but was able to take the defeats as well as the wins. So whilst i will be rooting for Spurs to win, i'll take something from the game if heavens forbid we lose.
Cider spurs
Good Morning coops. how d'ya see this one going down then?.
Cider spurs
Ray Wilkinson Sword, Steve Mach 3 McClaren
spu 4 life
It was a close shave but we are starting to Gel
spu 4 life
Razor Ruddock, he was sharp
spu 4 life
Shaun Wright-Phillips he was electric at times
spu 4 life
After 16 prem games (including todays) i'm going to launch this b/oody laptop if i see one more post stating that we haven't played anyone yet. A win, level on points with Liverpool. Yep the team some were drooling over with their attacking football earlier in the season. A minimum of 5 points ahead of the crap current league champions. It is an "IF" but yet again we have proved to have the mettle to put ourselves in this position. At times when on the cusp of kicking on we falter, but IMO we are putting ourselves in the reckoning alot more than we were. Even though "we haven't played anyone yet" 3 games to reverse fixtures after today. Where you been, link down?, t.v broke?. Win or lose ticking along nicely. Liverpool will not define our season. Three points are valuable, but our season does not hinge just on today.
Cider spurs
Don't look back in Agger, I heard you say, So Soldado can score !!!
spu 4 life
Oh!, and a little sidenote...When some were calling our performances dire against Palace and Swansea and all the other teams we supposedly should be thrashing. Might pay you to take the time to watch the highlights of Chelsea's game against Palace yesterday. It kind of proves that there is no divine right to beat teams and that we may have actually secured some good wins early on in the season, as opposed to the fodder tosh. All IMO of course. Just for today can we not have "sane Sunday" as opposed to "selective Sunday".
Cider spurs
Dead right, Coopsie; we need that 12th man today. If we're up, the crowd should keep us up; if we're down, the crowd should lift us up. Supporter power!!
Geofspurs
Love Sandro... Brains and Braun.
Cider spurs
Hope there's not too many close shaves today.
Geofspurs
Cider, sad about your mate. Sounds like a good supporter of Liverpool and Football. We should all be able to take the losses with the wins, mate.
Geofspurs
Apologies Ohvey, i do not wish to give the impression that your article is not worthy of sensible input. I appreciate the effort you put in and hopefully all will get back on track shortly....You know, back to the normal Bic..kering. sorry.
Cider spurs
Good afternoon all…… I am that 12th man! Can't wait. Up the Spurs!
MAN ON!
coops and Geof...thanks chaps, likeable guy. He had three different wakes in different venues in the town. Obviously left a good impression on all those he met. We would talk football for hours, but we're going to beat his cruddy team today.
Cider spurs
THFC are really putting our youth team to the fore these days. Bodes well for our future …...
MAN ON!
MAN ON!...Hope you have a good afternoon at the lane. Same goes for all the fellow supporters making the trip. Sing yer' hearts out and a few ole's at the end when we are 3-0 up will be a nice added touch.
Cider spurs
MAN ON ... Give em a COYS for me,mate. It's a midnight kick-off in WA!
Geofspurs
Cheers Cider spurs. I'm sure it'll be a good match and believe we'll beat them. I won't get in to a "strop" if we loose……….
MAN ON!
Will do, Geofspurs…...
MAN ON!
A win for us today would be massive. 5 points behind le arse, then reel em in for crimbo COYS!!!!
Thats Entertainment
Can anyone predict what my prediction is?
Geofspurs
I see a few of you were on Vital Arse, rubbing salt in to their wounds. Seems Galway Gooner went missing... GG spends more time on here talking Spurs! HGH Magic has been busy criticising Mourinho……..Cockerel envy?
MAN ON!
Could it be 3-0?
MAN ON!
Geofspurs, let's hope we are a cut above this lot a !!!
spu 4 life
Enjoy the game wherever u are u lot. Hope we play well and win, should be a cracker whatever happens. COYS...
ledders77
I know people go on about Coutinho but in all truth Suarez I think is making him look a much better player than he is. The boy has talent clearly but if you block off his target then he won't win a match on his own I feel. So watch him cos he's tricky but in truth, if we deal with Suarez I can only see a Spurs win. An stroongbow eh coopsie, first drink I would ever have...soon realised the error of my ways :p
BrooksySpurs
MAN ON ... you've been paying attention!! Correct.
Geofspurs
The injured list takes on a familiar look. With his contract due for review shortly, is it time to question Youness Kaboul's fitness and injury record. He seems to struggle to put a run of games together, without regularly going missing due to injury, it seems he may have career limiting fitness problems. Center Back is a vital position, and together with Dawson's dubious quality at top level, and now Kaboul's vulnerability, and the strange decision, given these factors, to allow Caulker to leave, is it time to not review Kaboul's deal, and look elsewhere?
Frank
Geofspurs…..I'm going for 3-1.
MAN ON!
AVB has said that Kaboul is suffering secondary injuries because of his knees. Having abdominal strains and pains because of the stresses on his upper body. (something along those lines). So yes Frank, we probably will have to look elsewhere. Bloody shame!
MAN ON!
I agree with you Coopsie, if anybody lives in a glass house, and should avoid throwing stones, it is us.
Frank
Alcohol free for me, got to pick the lass up from work. To be fair i had quite a quiet Saturday, too busy watching Arsenal lose to go to the bar. Friday, well that was a whole different story. Thought i got a taxi home, daughter told me yesterday that she picked me up. Message to one's self.....Drink responsibly.
Cider spurs
@ the author OM. Thanks mate for a good read. I disagree with some on here and found your assessment of Liverpool quite accurate. I am also of the opinion that they struggle with pace out wide. Walker and Lennon to run riot. Spurs 3-0.
thenuge
coopsieyid….It is bloody tempting though, but I know what you mean.
MAN ON!
spu .. HaHa, mate. Coopsie ... hope you get to celebrate with a couple of Strongbows later! At 2am, when the game's over, I will just go straight to sleep and dream of glory. ;-)
Geofspurs
thenuge….We will need to keep Glen Johnson quiet though. He supplies a lot from the right wing….
MAN ON!
coopsieyid….Great minds, and all that.
MAN ON!
Sorry but I don't see what Mix26 was on about. I read the article and found it quite informative and well put together on this occassion. Didn't deserve the poor review. Problem on here is people get personal and then aren't willing to say sorry or bury the hatchet. So we continue to have to scroll past personal attacking posts. Pity since we all support the same team. Play hard today lads! COYS!
jvd
Agree with Frank. I like many am a huge fan of Kaboul. When fit, he is our best central defender. But I have a feeling, this maybe his last contract with us.
thenuge
Sunday afternoons coops....that's what it's all about.
Cider spurs
Agree Man On about Johnson. He is technically a very skilful attacking RB. Keep him on the back foot and make him defend. Chadli / Andros need to keep the width and press forward at every opportunity.
thenuge
Good morning from Canada, nice to read the comments from Spurs FANS from around the world, just finished clearing 6" of snow from the house, have walked my dogs, so I am ready to sit and watch Spurs do a number on the Pool. Nice to see that rag (Mail) giving le arse some stick this morning LOL. COYS IAVBIT
CanUkSpur
Alright boys. Time to wear my Villa hat for the next 90 min. Will drop on by after the Spurs game to proclaim our glory!
thenuge
It's another difficult choice for AVB. Do we keep Johnson on the back foot with Andros running him ragged, or play safe with the more defensive minded Chadli? My choice is Chadli with Townsend coming on last 20 mins or so. Could easily be the other way round though.
MAN ON!
Come on the Villans!
MAN ON!
coopsieyid….Pass the "Marley", I'm getting pre-match nerves…..
MAN ON!
I'll be pretty mindless tonight, after either celebrating or drowning my sorrows!
MAN ON!
Goof Evening from Jakarta, Indonesia. 3-1 (soldado 2, dembele 1)
gRAMMSTEIN
United 2-0 up after Villa bossing the game. WTF....
gRAMMSTEIN
Coopsie ... But remember; I've already experienced it. Be nice to have some 'fresher' glory to dream about though!
Geofspurs
Enjoy all. I'm off……One life, one love, one Spurs! Yid army!
MAN ON!
Coops, thanks for the info on how long kaboul has on his contract. I heard he was on his last year so i thought it would be just easy to release him then, but now i know it runs out 2015, we need to make a quick decision for the sake of us and him.
spurfect one
coymfs......soldado do your thing.....we need to win.....pretty or ugly.....hail to u all
rovinella62spurs
Little sidenote. Dawson and Paulinho both sit on 4 yellow cards one short of ONE GAME SUSPENSION. West Ham in midweek in cup, any thoughts on maybe taking the yellow late on in Liverpool match and miss the spam game. No moral high ground required, players have been instructed to do this by clubs for years.
Cider spurs
A lot of earlier posts in fear of Suarez.
He's never done particularly well against Spurs and Dawson in particular!
How any club, let alone one with the tradition of Liverpool can name the arch cheat and wind up merchant captain, (even for one match) is a sign of the times. At least at that club.
Despite his obvious skills and goals, I wouldn't harbour him at Spurs.,Le Arse would have been welcome to him!
Hotspur 1882
Team v Liverpool - Lloris; Walker, Capoue, Dawson, Naughton; Paulinho, Sandro; Lennon, Dembele, Chadli; Soldado. #THFC
Kong
Our subs v Liverpool - Friedel, Fryers, Holtby, Lamela, Townsend, Sigurdsson, Defoe.
Kong
Dawson and Paulinho one yellow away from suspension. No doubt Suarez will have noted that.
Hotspur 1882
Townsend for Chadli after 70 mins. to attack those tired legs in the Liverpool defence.
Hotspur 1882
No Rose or Eriksen in the line up or bench, mmmm Rose injured again. Fryers makes it before Rose. Glad Saldado is starting. No other defenders on the bench besides Fryers. Looks very attacking. Here we go.
markyboy40
Morning boys, seeing the Daws & Naughton pairing on the left scares me a tad but other than that its quite a solid lineup with enough talent to trouble them. Loving seeing Dembele at CAM. With Pauly and Sandro behind him he should have license to roam and glide past some of them in the final 1\3. Capoue must be at his best again to help out Daws with Suarez. Loving Townsend for Chadli anywhere from 60-65 mins on. Holtby for Dembele late on as well. Cant wait for this one fellas, we can make a huge statement with a home win today. COYS.
YankeeSpur23
Rose played 45mins on thursday which he was told by AVB, when you have had enough tell me, so he removed hi at half time after being out for so long. Eriksen came back sooner then expected so over doing it with him is right. AVB has selected a good side, good enough to do the job, with attacking options on the bench, Vlad is not ready to feature, even as sub, Verts is having spinning blood treatment to recover, Kaboul has problems, leaving just one defender in our ranks who is fit to be sub. Our players need to hit 7/10 as a average, with one doing really well and getting 9/10, then we will WIN. It's going to be a cracking game win, lose or draw, life will go on. Andy Murray has been penciled in to play Man City at the Etihad after winning 6-3, 6-0 vs North London.
spu 4 life
Disappointing left sider selection yet again which IMO is negative, squeezes space, just how liverpool like it. I think that evens the game up still further, it's tough already, dont do what Liverpool want you to do. I can understand why he went for Soldado after Thursday.
tophobunty1882
Hotspur Suarez is a great great footballer and worthy of captaining any team in the world. Ps he dived less than Bale did last season. Balance. I would sign the guy now before kick off and play him.
tophobunty1882
spu 4 life .... terrific, can't be a as they're 5 sets,where's the game being played. lol
longtimespur
slam got missed out. damnations
longtimespur
slam got missed out. damnations
longtimespur
off to find a good stream, start with FSI hope they'll be good to go.
longtimespur
http://cricfree.tv/sky-sports-1-live-stream-uk.php
micky58
COOOYYYYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
T0P-FOUR
Coopsie, Ledley King was a magnificent CB when fit, but as much use as an ash tray on a motor bike, when injured. I firmly believe that Kaboul is heading towards a play 2 miss 3 scenario, similar to Ledley in the end, and I personally don't think we can go down that route again. We appeared to have numerical riches at CB, but with Kaboul's unreliable fitness, coupled with Dawson's vulnerability against quality players, then we have a situation where we may have only Vertonghen and Chiriches as the available established quality CBs, if either, or worse both, get injured as at present, we are vulnerable. In this game Dawson and Capoue may, or may not, cope with Suarez, but if Sturridge was playing as well, I doubt that that would be the case. At the moment we are carrying 2 CBs in Dawson (hardly good enough) and Kaboul (rarely fit) so we are weakened. This of course ignores suspensions (Dawson one yellow from a 1 game ban), do we need a CB? Caulker would be handy now, mind you he will always be better than Dawson, so shouldn't have been allowed to leave anyway.
Frank
micky58 .... cheers mate but that asks me to download iLivid video downloader. I have problems with them in the past.
longtimespur
If Naughton is a left back each of my testicles is bigger than the Queens head. Sorry me lady.
tophobunty1882
Fryers a natural left back is on the bench. Naughton a clueless left back (and poor defender overall) is on the pitch. Common sense?
Moscovite
Fekin hell. Take him off NOW. He's horrible.
Moscovite
ripping us to pieces , we are so slow again
ledleygomez
This is what happens after one poor give away. Naughton is *****ty *****.
Moscovite
Naughton and Dawson together the new laurel & hardy
van der haart lane
only one team in this, and it isn't us
Guernman
Naughton will cost us a goal why o why is Fryers not playing?
philbill
bloody hell even the corner flag is attacking us
Guernman
Haha, how slow you should be, Captain Fantastic! Like watching a movie in slow motion!
Moscovite
our defence is so bad its crazy, naughton should never paly lb again
T0P-FOUR
ther you go
ledleygomez
What is it with us. Our defending is shocking. Once again you see the top 4 side take us apart.
markyboy40
we are awful again, but unlike Fulham, Sunderland and Anzhi, quality will punish you.
mattspurs1982
Naughton ruined our game just after 5 mins. All that constant Pool pressure came from his numerous mistakes. What a dolt <- AVB that is.
Moscovite
left side is a total farce.....shocking
tophobunty1882
Dawson's position for the goal was simply shocking. He was stretching because of it and the rest is history. When will we have a centre half with a football brain.
muttley
Ha ha ha we are in trouble me thinks
markyboy40
Dawson looks clueless and Capoue is weak positionaly, this may be a long afternoon
philbill
it could be 0-3 already. sweet je$u$
mattspurs1982
For all those who say Naughton should not play LB again. Well, guess what, he will. Because AVB is at the helm.
Moscovite
the best striker in the PL against a makeshift defence, could be a long afternoon
Guernman
Naughton is a liability. No coice to play him though due to injuries. The fact that Suarez ran past our 3 midfielders was shocking. This could be a cricket score. Embarrassing!!
woodyn17
topho
Much more to it than diving. Cheat to the core.
Undeniable skill? Yes.
Despicable cheat, who tries to get the opposition sent off? Yes.
Bale was never the diver the tabloids painted him to be. Remember he was booked at least three times last season for being tripped or kicked, as clearly shown on TV.
The cameo shown last season on MotD, after Spurs game at Anfield highlighted many of the tricks that make Suarez what he is. Including raking Dawson in frustration.
Win at all costs? Sign him.
Hotspur 1882
Moscovite - Who else can you play there? We have only 3 fit defenders?
woodyn17
wooody saw Fryers left leg off and you have Naughton, we do have a choice.
tophobunty1882
Right on cue, the scum bag scores an excellent goal. That's the other side of him.
Hotspur 1882
Maybe the wonder strikes v fulham and some luck at Sunderland (OG and ref missed a pen for them) have papered over the cracks....?
mattspurs1982
with townsend on the bench liverpool know there is little threat dont need to back peddle....thank feck for that Dawson is suspended......
tophobunty1882
we are being slaughtered...BUT its only 1-0 come on AVB sort it
tophobunty1882
Dawson will get sent off at this rate. Got to win this. How many home games without a win now???? COYS
mattspurs1982
This is embarrassing.....
ledgespur
Oh FFS now Sandro?? We are F***ed
woodyn17
Why oh why did we sell Caulker and keep Dawson, he is such an average player
spursnoob
Come on guys, it's not over yet, keep the faith.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
daws you are the weakest link again
123spurs
You would think we are the away side, also we do not look top four quality. I hope this does not get embarrassing, we need to get going really quickly and gain confidence.
philbill
the desire and fight is being shown by the whole liverpool team. We are far far too slow. They look lightening compared to us. C.mon AVB sort it out
mattspurs1982
Free facking header
ledgespur
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PACEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
tophobunty1882
Half season through we didn't manage to register a single win over ANY top 6 side. Champions League beckons of course.
Moscovite
come on ladssssssssssssssss
tophobunty1882
Lloris was never the same after the concussion.
Moscovite
Get Naughton off as well
philbill
On 1 plus point - Chadli looks good
woodyn17
I think we'll be playing better with 10 players. Take Naughton off and send him to Swindon wrapped as Xmas gift. I hope I don't offend Swindon fans by the way.
Moscovite
They're playing like we used to under Harry. Just sayin...
mattspurs1982
would rather have 3 at the back just to prevent naughton from actually playing
spursnoob
This is just a mockery.
Moscovite
It is shocking at how bad Naughton is at both right and left back. Defo need to dip into the market in Jan for a natural LB.
Rapm
Embarrassing to be two down at home to this lot.
Hotspur 1882
in terms of speed of ball movement they are on a different planet to us, tactically we are just not top 8. very very poor
tophobunty1882
Fu***ng disgraceful.... How is our midfield being so dominated!!!! This is the worst i have EVER seen us play!!!
woodyn17
we are getting ripped to pieces
T0P-FOUR
Paulinho is just a feking spectator for our 2nd goal.
Moscovite
YOU CANNOT PLAY A HIGH LINE WITH NO PACE IN THE BACK FOUR hopw ******** long will it take for AVB to GET IT FFS
philbill
why play a high line when u have 2 slow players in daws and coupe, same formtin and same problem again making a average team look good just lik fulham game, pool are poor at bac but again we dont expolite it
123spurs
3 ******** chances to clear it. We are so bad. We were lucky against Fulham and Sunderland. We are found out again. A joke, what does that clown see when he is looking out at the pitch as this crap...
ledgespur
We are getting battered here. Walker didn't go with man, Capoue not in a great position and Dawson nowhere to be seen until the 3rd shot went past him. That's pathetic defending. Paulinho and Dembele need to step up here and start winning the midfield as well.
muttley
Does AVB hold shooting practice sessions? Every game, the shots off target outweigh those on target!
Hotspur 1882
When jordan henderson scores against you it's time to pack up and go home.
Moscovite
oh ffs get this facking clown out the club. This home record is absolutely dire, sick of this
mattspurs1982
How can anyone defend 15 goals at this stage of the season??? We have serious issues and it is getting worse!!
ledgespur
I really just want to cry my eyes out!Seeing us play is torture!If it wasnt for Dawson,Walker and Lloris,god knows....................
SilwalYid
This is *****house. Levy must be sharpening his axe. Absolute dross.
van der haart lane
This is phuking embarresing. We are terrible. Even with our we look Shiet.
markyboy40
blame AVB and the tactics these players are told to do
123spurs
Let's look on the bright side: hopefully our cretin of a manager gets sacked in the morning. Because I don't know how you can stay with home performances like that and before.
Moscovite
Don't think this is AVBs fault the players just don't seem interested. No fight today hope the second half is much better. 3-2 spurs :P
Rapm
Im not even watching the game now. Will just keep logged on and see how many we concede!!!
woodyn17
FFS atleast Dawson is trying to defend.
SilwalYid
spurs 0 liverpool 2 AVB minus 1476 Rodgers plus 76.....lets now see how good our manager is at half time.
tophobunty1882
Did Soldado foul the keeper. Not watching the game live. :0(
Hotspur 1882
There is a reason chavs sacked him.
ledgespur
Well done Liverpool out playing us in every department.
MrSpurs
I just don't see us scoring 3, and I definitely don't see Liverpool staying at just 2...what happened to our team....these home performances are a disgrace
T0P-FOUR
Pathetic, we're making Liverpool look like Real Madrid. All this talk of overpowering teams, but football isnt a strongman competition, you need skill, technique, invention and balance, none of which has been shown so far.
Guyver
Very lucky not to be 5-0 down.
Guyver
WHL used to be a fortress. This is a joke. We need to stop believing our own hype. That was honestly the biggest load of poo I have seen. Both goals were a comedy of errors.
markyboy40
Only AVB would be thick enough to play Chadli over Townsend, I bet his impact sub will be Soldado off and Defoe on or another like for like substitution as per fecking usual
spursnoob
dawson is our weakest defender, capoue isn't a defender, naughton isn't a left back, we have lost in sandro the only protection for our non-existent defence. I don't know whether it is AVBs fault that we didn't bring in another LB, but I presume it was his call that BAE was allowed to go on loan when we didn't have suitable cover. I don't know whose fault it was that Caulker was allowed to leave, but with Kaboul's fitness a big question mark it looks like a very poor decision. We have been unlucky with injuries, but at the end of the day a club with our aspirations should not be fielding this defence against liverpool in such a crucial game.
Guernman
We win two games then all our moron players like Walker and Dawson are saying we are title contenders, wasn' a-poo saying that he would contain hannibal the Canable
spursnoob
Actually I thought Chadli was one of the only players that looked decent in the half. He also seems to always get his head on the end of corners. Second half will be different we have nothing to lose now.
Rapm
123 be careful others on here may start calling you pathetic an an idiot if you start questioning avb, we beat Sunderland and Fulham don’t you know
MatJspur
Our last win at home was against hull 2 months ago and even that was facing lucky. Levy please save us - this guy is ruining our club
mattspurs1982
This is probably thw worst we've performed this season!Against Mancity,the scoreline was flattering and it was self inflicted but today Liverpool are raping us in every corner of the field! *****
SilwalYid
its was pretty clear from the 1st five minutes Rodgers told his entire team to have a go at Naughton and or Dawson which is, has and will always work. Capoue is out of it because Daws is having a mare. Please look where Dawson was at the start of that 2nd goal. He was almost at the half line ffs.......They completely negated anything we tried to do other than a few Chadli runs down the left. With no Sandro down 2 looking like that its hard to see any points coming from this game. That being said we have to change it up and get an early goal to get back in this otherwise this could be an embarrassing upcoming 45. COYS.
YankeeSpur23
Guernman, so what's your conclusion then?
Moscovite
Spursnoob Chadli has probably been our best player today so seriously WTF?
stu_u2k
Sacked in the morning
jonathan01
A high line against Suarez. Good thinking AVB!!
jonathan01
Well that puts our recent wins against Fulham, Sunderland and a Russian pub side into perspective. I thought we were moving in the right direction. I was wrong. Very wrong. The second half needs to be a massive improvement or I can't see what we'll be able to achieve this season. The next 45 minutes will define the remainder of this season for us.
SpuriousLife
spursnoob - Chadli is our best player out there at the moment.
rahn DMC
we need to buy a lb, Im tired of this makeshift horse***** that's costing us goals,if avb doesn't see this then he really needs to ***** off im losing faith in him
T0P-FOUR
coopsie, i have ignored it ..
Block D Spurs
Perspective not reactive - we have a RB at LB who is not good enough and a DM as a CB who is being exposed so this doesn't help Dawson or Walker, they are all nervous.

The problem lies in not having cover for LB and unfortunate injuries to three CB in Vertonghen, Kabloul and vlad.

However, the midfield are not winning the battle and now Sandro has gone off we are weaker in that area.

Sorry but last two game when Defoe played there was more pace up front and more movement. Defenders get worried about pace and Soldado doesn't give them that. There is just not enough threat up top when Soldado plays imo so the defenders job is easy. Lennon isn't getting the ball enough because we are not winning it enough. Lloris is making more mistakes recently was it the collision that had brought this on.

Unless we get some striker partnership up top, sort the LB out and sort the left side out we will struggle. Chadli has got some crosses in but non of them are accurate finding anyone or is it that there isn't enough movement in the area. Does Soldado want it 100% on his head or at his feet. This is a poor game and of we are not careful it could be another City game. The last two games were against relegation sides and imo we look better with Defoe in the side even though he cannot score. Mat be it is time to take a hard look at whether Dembele and Paulinho are right together. I just don't know other than our back line are all over the place.
WorldPeace
I refuse to start slagging off AVB and the PLAYERS, they know they can perform better, so it's down to them in the second half, to pull this back, if we can get this back to 2-1 in the first 20mins, then we have chance. The next 45mins is about showing some fight and bottle.
spu 4 life
Our best three CB's are unavailable and our LB is unavailable. Sandro was clearly not fit. So that's 4 of the back 5 that should not be where they are. What does anyone expect? Every defensive player is throwing themselves to ground. How is that AVB's fault. Which injured player would you throw out there? How would it make it better. We have been creating up front. Holtby should have done better. Chadli too. Lennon has been somewhat anonymous. Bring Lamela in and get Townsend ready to come on. COYS
peterballb
If Levy doesn't sack him tonight he's just as guilty. There is no other answer to the embarrassment we're witnessing all season long.
Moscovite
I watched BAE yesterday for QPR, he played very well...
Guyver
The defence is certainly shaky but it is in midfield that we are losing this. They are winning every 50:50 and moving through us like butter. Now AVB, this is your chance to show us what a tactical genius you are in sorting this out. I'm being charitable in thinking that Sandro wasn't up to it but now we need to reorganise and come out with a new plan
Love totty
We should not be conceding many chances against that Liverpool team with our central midfield. I have been saying for a long time, something is fundamentally wrong. I think it's ABV's over complications of the game and his zero experience as a footballer. Sorry but i stick with my thoughts a few weeks back. AVB should go.
asherthesmasher
jonathan if the second half is like the first he might not last that long.
tophobunty1882
moscovite, my conclusion? it will be a long day and we will be lucky if we don't get spanked royally, furthermore even though dawson is pants at the moment, as our only fit central defender the fact that he is now banned from the southampton game does not bode particularly well. lets see what the second half brings, one would think that it could only get better...
Guernman
all these problems are due to AVB. He let BAE go out, he froze out Ade. The guy MUST GO!!!!!
mattspurs1982
Capoue was nowhere near when the first goal was scored,Suarez overtook him from behind making a run to score the goal.Worst time to have only one CB fit!
SilwalYid
Embarrassing. Liverpool are a team and we are a disjointed set of individuals. No control in mid-field where Paulinho and Dembele are non-existent and we are second to every ball. Rogers tactic of playing everyrthing down the right keeps us on the back foot and isolates Lennon. Chadli has shown great improvement in this game but we are playing rubbish. I would move Dembele forward and let Holtby play deeper where he wants to be. I know we are struggling in CB but really that was a shambles. As Moscovite said, when Henderson scores against you you know it is time to go home. Can't really see us doing anything in the second half as Liverpool are up for it in spades and we are not. Hope can only last so long. So sorry for the paying punters.
Harry-Kari
Spursnoob why don't you have a go a Walker too, it's all the fashion on here, not htat he has done much if anything really wrong today but still good to be cool hey!
stu_u2k
Gotta be realistic. Kaboul, Verts, Chicheres, Rose, Sandro, Eriksen, Ade all injured. That is possibly 3 of our 1st choice back 4 out against an inform team scoring for fun!!!
woodyn17
Oh wait you have I missed it, sorry. LOL.
stu_u2k
Levy didnt invest £100m into this team to finish 9th cos thats where we'll end up with this idiot running things
mattspurs1982
Its the defence that is the real worry, every time Liverpool attack we look like conceding. They have pass we don't. But what *****es me off is I am sure AVB knows this also. So why did he not change it from the start allow them to sit a little deeper? Arrogance? Isn't that why Chelsea sacked him?
philbill
So Fryers is fit. He just didn't start.
Moscovite
Fryers in!!
SilwalYid
Walker, Dawson.naughton, AVB. Dembele are ALL *****. Coaches are now exploiting walkers positioning there is an outlet ball for them, Why does he allow players to get a touch then try to recover. Does anyone notice we cant take a simple throwin. we just give possession right back to our opponents. walker and naughton have peanut brains. our movement without the ball is poor apart from soldado. I blame AVB FOR STIFLING the team. We will finish 7th or 8th at this rate.
voltspur
*pace
philbill
now he brings a fekin left back on at half time !!!!!!!!!! the poor lad is on a hiding to nothing and thats a forward player we cant bring on now at 2-0 down, who was it who said clown last week?
tophobunty1882
Naughton off Fryers on, leaves us with one change remaining. Naughton un-fit to continue, Sandro only just made kick-off.
spu 4 life
COYS!
stu_u2k
what a joke of a sub cos AvB made a mistake. Wasted sub.
mattspurs1982
Peter who left the squad the way it is, who loaned out 1 of our left backs, who kept playing our best centre back on the left and run him into the ground, who couldn't talk our most promising centre back into staying, who has not given Fryers more game time
MatJspur
If there is a way back into the game we will need to score early, we must be clinical, who knows maybe Liverpool will become complacent but that is unlikely
spursnoob
A manager I once knew will do something positive like removing naughton and chadli and unleash both lamela and townsend on the left hand side. They can interchange LB and LW - doesn't really matter who does what. Just. Get some fricken balance and shape ffs.
neymar
Have no idea why I set my alarm at 3am in oz to watch this. It's sad when a substitute of naughton, is the highlight of the game thus far
van der haart lane
2nd half just continues the way 1st finished.
Moscovite
topho - i said clown last week and the weel before and the month before. Cant stand the guy and im amazed people rate him. WE ARE WOEFUL under this bloke. Totally ruined the 4th placed team that harry left him
mattspurs1982
Another shot OFF target!!! Soldado.
Hotspur 1882
Cannot challenge for anything playing with Dawson and Naugthon. Don't wanna be mean, but they are simply not good enough.
AlexSpur
Is it time to replace AVB? ;)
RagingSpur
same as matt, for me the sooner he has gone the better
MatJspur
Should we all cooperate and buy a ball to Dembele ?? It seems he really needs to get the ball to himself everytime he is in possession. Trouble is he loses it all the time.
AlexSpur
Every time Lpool run forward they look like scoring. Every time Soldadod hits the ball he can't hit the target.
Moscovite
Another shot OFF target!!! Soldado.
Hotspur 1882
So this is the City game in reverse, lucky we have West brom and Stoke at home next!
spursnoob
Two chances in four minutes. The goalkeeper not made to work!
Hotspur 1882
liverpool get it and break sooooo quickly, when we break labour sideways soooo SLOWLY and all the liverpool players have time to get their positions back. Its just awful football and tactics
mattspurs1982
What's going on with your team? Are Vertonghen, Adebayor and Erikson injured? My wish is that you pull a draw here.
Naijagunner
Playing this game without two of your best players in Eriksen and Sigurrdson is plain idiocy. Eriksen should have started this game behind Soldado and Sigurddson with with Paulinho or Sandro in the pivot. Once again AVB is screwing up big time. Better get on the phone and bring back Harry Mr Levy. Obviously , AVB is out of his depth here. Thank God we got rid of his arrogant , pompous ass.
Dwonder
RagingSpur, AVB already had you in hiding for over a year, no need to be opportunistic.
Guyver
we just look so rudderless and disjointed. Reminds me of the 90's
mattspurs1982
Why did he bring Fryers on there is no logic bringing on someone who has never played a single league game for spurs, it should have been Townsend and Lamela but everyone knows deep down the next one will be Defoe
spursnoob
I have had a hectic year but I am back. I've enjoyed him to be honest I thought he was doing well. He proved me wrong to some extent I can admit it. Not a huge fan of his still but I'll give him more time.
RagingSpur
should have brought townsend on for Naughton and gone for it. Too late now. P45 for AvB please
mattspurs1982
Dare I suggest that slowly, Spurs are beginning to get back onto this game. As in gaining a bit of momentum?
Or wishful thinking - clutching at straws?
Hotspur 1882
Penalty?
Hotspur 1882
no movement. our CB's get it and no one moves.
mattspurs1982
Dembele off.....hahahaha hahahaha
ledgespur
dembele off for Townsend , what is chadli doing on the pitch or has been doing on the pitch since? Seriously I thank you Lord and Roman
Dwonder
thank g0d they dont have gerrard or sturiddge playing
mattspurs1982
So we take off our only creative player for another winger great
spursnoob
Was that a pen when Soldado ended up on the floor?
Can anybody tell me if the goal should have stood, just before half time?
Hotspur 1882
FFS Chadli has been our best player, WTF is it with people having a go at him?
stu_u2k
Finished.... see you next year
Dwonder
unbelievable
T0P-FOUR
bet that sub is looking real great now
spursnoob
Can Townsend do a Bale?
Hotspur 1882
you knew of all the people on the pitch, suarez would make the most of that. stupid idiot Paulinho
mattspurs1982
oh bol lox
ledleygomez
So a goal wrongly disallowed, a penalty not given and a Red Card for nothing. The ref has played a blinder for them it has to be said!
stu_u2k
and that's all she wrote..
Guyver
Levy looks happy....
ledgespur
I guess the aim is just to not concede now, if another one goes in Spurs will give up and we could be crushed 6-0
spursnoob
Paulinho gone, all subs used, fun times ahead
van der haart lane
That would have been a yellow any other ref.
stu_u2k
Hell hath no fury than a Levy dissapointed. Lol
Dwonder
the players look completely out of confidence
mattspurs1982
Whatever happens now should result in AVB getting sacked. Welcome the new era, fellas.
Moscovite
Poor Louis. COuldn't happen to a nicer fella.
Hotspur 1882
Well,Allen and Henderson outplayed us in midfield!
SilwalYid
I suppose it was AVBs fault Paulinho got sent of as well? Think just have to write this off as a bad afternoon.
Rapm
And we still haven't scored a goal. Quite a form.
Moscovite
oh please don't blame the ref, weve played like *****
T0P-FOUR
The players have lsot their dicipline. Thats down to AvB
mattspurs1982
Harry Redknapp wasn't that bad after all was he.
MrSpurs
The players have lsot their dicipline. Thats down to AvB
mattspurs1982
AVB has no idea how to change a game. This is no different to the 1st half
mattspurs1982
AVB will blame the ref and our booing crowd.
Moscovite
Three points lane they said....................
SilwalYid
What is more worrying? The performance or the fact we have three games at home coming up!
spursnoob
liverpool should have another 3 this half
mattspurs1982
Haha, Lpool look like they are doing their training session now.
Moscovite
thats surely enough now. he must go. we're awful
mattspurs1982
AVB OUT. Please spread the word.
Moscovite
where the f*** was walker???
mattspurs1982
I backed AVB for a long time, I'm done.
ledgespur
I feel ill, why I am still watching, has Flanagan really scored dear God...
spursnoob
Is anyone serious that it should not have been a red card? He kicked him in the ribs
hugh jarse
The negativity on this forum is embarrassing! No wonder the players don't have confidence with "fans" like some of you. Unbelievable.
Rapm
When you lose one centre midfield with injury yet you still have to switch out another centre midfield and a left back you must know you picked the wrong team. I've been saying for a while that if Fryers is fit then he should play as he is after all a left back. Playing Naughton there because he's older and more experienced is simply stupid.
muttley
I am not blaming the ref, of course we have been *****e, we haven't hit the target once, but he hasn't helped, when one thing goes against you the rest often do...
stu_u2k
What I don't like is our style of play, we have lost our trade way of playing. I can accept we needed to become more difficult to beat and get a strong winning mentality but to lose and to play so badly is getting too much., I can cope with poor performances as long as we win but we are not and these games are getting more and more. I am beginning to think AVB is not suiting our players.
WorldPeace
Rapm - we havent won at home for 2 months and that was against facking hull and that was lucky. £100m investment and this is a disgrace. go somewhere else if you dont like it here
mattspurs1982
Embarrassing!!!!!!!!
Hotspur 1882
Would you like us to praise AVB and the players? Great work on getting thrashed again I want to see more like that against West Ham, West Brom and Stoke
spursnoob
Walker was covering for slow defending on the left. Was not his fault. We look like relegation contenders. Its not the players, it is the way they are asked to play...
philbill
Rapm, enough with "fans" like yourself who encourage this dross to go on forever!
Moscovite
hugh jarse if you think he kicked him in the ribs then sure it should be, I am personally sure he caught him in the ribs rather than kicked him, all after going for the ball, a big difference.
stu_u2k
COME BACK HARRY ALL IS FORGIVEN.
Hotspur 1882
Thrashed against Liverpool minus Gerrard and Sturridge, I guess that is a positive wouldn't dare think of the score if they were playing
spursnoob
Rapm-How can someone not be negative with a performance like that?Even crystalpalace are playing better than us at the moment!
SilwalYid
this really could be far more than 3. We are totally lost all over the pitch
mattspurs1982
I don't know who I would want if he were to go, I heard Hoddle's name the otherweek...
stu_u2k
What an embarrassment. Against third rate opposition too. Liverpool are in a false position. Losing 0 - 1 at home to them would be bad. But this!!!!!
Hotspur 1882
Rapm....open your eyes mate. What is happening to the club is the disgrace not the fans.
ledgespur
look at the way they pass the ball thru the midfield. We're woeful
mattspurs1982
And here we go
spursnoob
Stu, yes, Hoddle would be perfect.
Moscovite
On the bright side. It could have been worse.
RagingSpur
Long time since I have seen out fans walk out
ledgespur
I feel so sorry for AVB. He looks so lost
Dwonder
to all the AVb supporters, what excuse do you have today?
mattspurs1982
Rapm - agreed the negativity on this site is disgraceful, i just cant understand why people aren't praising the players and manager??
MrSpurs
Liverpool have scored 4+ goals away at Tottenham in the league for only the third time ever (1922, 1975). There you have it.
Moscovite
Embarrassment has turned into disaster.
Hotspur 1882
Can I report abuse on this scoreline?
RagingSpur
This could so easily have been 8-0 or more if you look at the 2 shots which hit the woodwork and the ridiculous misses from the likes of Sterling and Coutinho.
Guyver
Moscovite - AvB loves breaking these records huh.
mattspurs1982
0-4?? at home?? i keep reading that avb plays it safe and goes for a defensive approach, that is clear in terms of goals scored, but were conceded like were playing all out attacking football...in my opinion that is the fault of the manager
T0P-FOUR
AVB out!!
asherthesmasher
Wow terrible, our manager and players look lost !! AVB has to go in January end of !! Dawson is championship standard lol
LOcE1980
5
Moscovite
hahahahahha dear god, AVB out AVB out
spursnoob
We need a change after today that is not in question. We were lucky very lucky to win against Fulham and Sunderland. We will be beat a lot with this crap
ledgespur
this is a massacre, we must face the truth. we can scrape wins over relegation fodder and thrash bottom of the league russian teams. against proper teams we look weak, the draw against manu was their low-point not our high-point. gelling has happened, we are playing AVB's tactics perfectly. He must go now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUFFRd27YDw
Conan_the_Spur
FFS
Hotspur 1882
87.36 and Mignolet's first touch from a Spurs players kick. Don't get excited though it wasn't a shot just a miss directed pass. Oh 5, great.
stu_u2k
Score one more please liverpool!!It will be over sooner!
SilwalYid
5-0 loss at home, hard to defend the indefensible.
van der haart lane
that'll be two sackings this weekend then
tophobunty1882
Rapm - another wonderful home match. Praise AVB!!!
mattspurs1982
I don't think AVB can really expect to be in charge on Wednesday, shame but club has to come first.
Thats Entertainment
AVB broke another record!
SilwalYid
I can't understand why I'am still watching this, the signs have been there for a long time. No leadership, style or passion. Losing games is part and parcel of football but to be torn apart on a regular basis and struggle to beat other teams in a laboured and shapeless way is taking it's toll. This is the first time I have lost faith in AVB, I feel he is out of his depth in this league. Cappello is there today, have a word with him Levy, he stands for no bo-lux and could sort our rabble out. It is like going back to Gross, Ramos or Francis. AVB has to go, this is not the Spurs way.This dross is enough to drive anyone crazy.
sukhothai
THE CURSE THAT IS ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
LEWIS OUT!!!
Pele10
Levy sacked Harry after finishing top four, playing CL, due to attacking flair. WHy? To herald a new dawn, with Spurs winning the Premier League.
Redknapp, Bale VDV an Modric, all gone.
Hotspur 1882
I can hear pencils being sharpened at White Hart Lane.
Moscovite
LEVY OUT!!!
Pele10
Its the first time Liverpool have scored five against Spurs in the league.
mattspurs1982
AVB after beating bottom of table Anzhi "we are back!!". Bl00dy idiot
mattspurs1982
I'm just sad. Even with a AVB sacking it won't fix everything. The sense of direction just seems to be lost right now.
RagingSpur
How long before Vertonghen has enough of this tripe. AvB is going to set us back years and years unless we act immediately, and improve 2nd half of the season and scrape 6th/7th
mattspurs1982
0 - This was the first time since Opta started full collection in 2006/07 that Spurs have failed to have a shot on target at home. ZERO. AT HOME.
Moscovite
@ Guyver, be careful what you say...... lol@ petrrbalb. That is not an excuse to concede 5 at home.he should have started with Eriksen who frankly is your best player at holding the ball and creating space like coutinho has been doing all along
Dwonder
Where would we be without the winning mentality that AVB has instilled.This team is Jekyll and Hyde; great against Everton first half and against United but when they are bad they are abysmal. Its all about the cups now. Only way we'll win anything and qualify for the Spoon again.
Love totty
AVButthead the Chelsea reject The Spud Saviour. Epic comedy LOL.
Keyser Soze
What amazing judgement.
Levy sacked Jol for Ramos and Redknapp for AVB!
Hotspur 1882
Lost against Arsenal,Lost against Liverpool,Drew against Chelsea.Lost against Man City,Drew against Everton.Lost against Newcastle,Drew against Manu,Thats pretty much 1st half of the table ignoring Southamton!
SilwalYid
Season over. Dreams over. Let's just avoid relegation please. We are a disgrace to the name, the shirt, the club, our traditions, our history and to us fans. I've never seen WHL so empty with 10 minutes of a home game left. Goodbye AVB. You promised much a delivered utter dross. You are not a top level PL manager. We are not a top 6 PL team. Not by a million miles. Shame on us.
SpuriousLife
Harry come back! BMJ fancy a part time job?
deanospurs
Sack AVB and bring in some other foreign coach.
Sod that! Swallow your pride Levy. Get on the blower to Harry, NOW!
Hotspur 1882
This time, give Harry FULL control of transfers. WHo stays and who goes!
Hotspur 1882
Oh dear dear... 5-0 and that too at home? I am very sorry guys.. All that money lost from consecutive Champions league misses and from possible worldwide advertisement opportunity through Bale will surely balance out the profit made from the sale of that Welshman.. Classic example of opportunity cost of selling somebody who carried the club single handedly last season..
Soum
Oh dear dear... 5-0 and that too at home? I am very sorry guys.. All that money lost from consecutive Champions league misses and from possible worldwide advertisement opportunity through Bale will surely balance out the profit made from the sale of that Welshman.. Classic example of opportunity cost of selling somebody who carried the club single handedly last season..
Soum
harry rednapp must be having a laugh ahahah omg we are a joke
T0P-FOUR
That was the worst I have seen us play this season. We had no answer to pool. Dembele, Paulinho our midfield was no where. I am not sure where we go from here, I am to angry just to make a snap decision but I can understand everyone wanting a change. Our next game I do not think we have a defence, Dawson is out, no Verts, no vlad, no Kaboul. That should be interesting. No Paulinho for 3 games. Oh well here is fighting for 6th or 7th. Levy looked on the warpath, it would not surprise me if AVB is sacked tonight or actually resigns.
markyboy40
i cant remember losing 6-0 and 5-0 within weeks. AVB out
mattspurs1982
I don't see how AVB can keep his job now. I am telling you, now is the time to strike. Get Capello in for the rest of the season.
asherthesmasher
BlockD - are you feeling peckish?
Love totty
Very bad day at the office, poor performance. Yes our defence was not our first choice and Suarez and co had a field day. What do you expect capoue and naughton to do when playing out if position. We were poor in midfield too. Liverpool come out fast and we couldn't cope. Paulinho getting sent off will give him a break and give someone else to play.
Kong
Just reading over the latest post's, I really don't know what to say, not a single shot on target at home FFS. We have major, major problems, our best hope is to consolidate 5 more wins giving us 40 plus points that could keep us up, we are really losing our way, missing out on champions league and europa, will do us a power of good, maybe playing one game a week, will help, beating sides in europa that could not beat most championship teams is a false dawn. We have our work cut out, well done spurs at least pool close the gap on that other lot.
spu 4 life
It's a sad time for the club and fans that is for sure now. We looked lost and unimaginative again. Yes there are circumstances with injuries to our back line but can we say anyone on the pitch played well. looking at Saurez how come Liverpool get a goal machine like him and we get...... over the past years. He showed us today what a striker is all about. Soldado moans he doesn't get the ball but saurez equally makes runs and doesn't get the ball, what is the difference. soldado head drops and he moans saurez caries on a goes looking for the ball. Soldado, just wants the ball on a plate Saurez works and works and works and that is the difference in our strikers. If saurez is having a bad game, or doesn't get the balls he goes and gets it himself, as does Rooney, lazy Soldado is no better than Defoe in his attitude, he may be clinical but should we have paid that amount of money for a clinical finisher that nothing more. Sorry I have had it with Soldado, I am fed up with all our strikers, they can all go.

The question I am asking now is what is wrong? Are our players good enough? or is it the system? or is it the balance of the team? or the tactics? or a combination? Personally I think we have some technically good players, some hard working players but I think we have another lazy striker, an imbalance in the squad and some tactical problems again and the sytem is not working.We now have a great GK making mistakes, strikers still not being able to score and our defensive record is not what it was. Dawson has got worse recently and to add to all that our midfield is not winning the battle anymore. Problems, problems and more problems.

To finish Dawson is suspended next game, Paulinho for three games and Sandro probably injured. If rose and Vlad Vertonghen and Kaboul are not ready who is going to play next game? I really wanted to AVB to succeed but in all honesty I am not sure he will. I said before he needs time and happy to give him this season and I stand by that but if this continues I doubt he will get all season and even if he does I am not sure now he can turn this around.
WorldPeace
Levy must be wishing he had a discussion with Emenalo now before hiring AVB. So dissapointed with what spurs has become. Gone where the gung ho days of Harry when the attacking flair of the team made WHL a place to dread. What a pity. He could not get dimple things right . Never seen Soldado so isolated upfront
Dwonder
tactically inept? Might be a good scout, but no excuses for AVB, like has been mentioned already high line with two players who can't run one mile an hour??? Ref was against us in all honesty and Capoo was capoo as a defender, almost as bad as Dawson, Lennon was shocking and everyone else almost as bad.. Sorry to say some of the worst football I've seen as a Spurs fan for many a year. Different between the two scouce managers in the form of attack and AVB with his negative Jose tactics is massive.. Total turd, only saving grace is Suarez is my fantasy football captain :(
spurtool
oh man.
Uskok
I cannot defend AVB any longer. Tactically clueless today (and many others), still no tempo in the team, organisation non-existant, no leader on the pitch. I know the apologists will say that we miss Verts well they better get used to it if AVB stays because he certainly won't want to hang around a 3rd rate team like ours is being made to look by the manager. All the stats about highest win percentage fail to acknowledge the games against 2nd division standard Europa League clubs and the Bale factor last season. AVB doesn't seem to have learned anything. Cannot organise a defence against any team with attacking talent and certainly cannot produce a team that scores goals. Liverpool were made to look like Real Madrid or Barcelona when in fact they are Europa League candidates at best. Shocking. Levy you must act. Anyone would be better.
Harry-Kari
asherthesmasher
Cappello? Another negative foreign coach.
That doesn't mean I disrespect your opinion. I just disagree with that option.
Besides, will Levy really sack AVB?
Hotspur 1882
Under this man even Arsenil managed to score 5 against Chelsea at the Bridge. Anything is possible when you have AVB in charge.
Keyser Soze
You know what? This is the first game I have turned off and walked away from, it was like watching a car crash in slow motion. You could see there was no way we were ever going to score after five minutes. Even SUAREZ was outmuscling our players, and that is wrong for that shrimp to be able to do that. I still give AVB 'til January to turn this round.
chrishove123
Time to get your coat Andre, you sir, are s**t, you have had the money, the time, the backing from the players and the majority of the fans and you have set the club back another 3 years, congratulations. A special tip of the hat to Levy for employing the clown in the first place. The thing is what do you do, top 4 is pretty much gone mathematically possible but we're a joke of a rival to the top clubs, so what will the replacement come in and expect to do? interesting to see the pundits who cried out that Spurs fans were over reacting after the Man city thrashing, AVB's breaking records faster than Usain bolt and not in a positive way.
coys1717
Hotspur 1882- Damn right Levy will sack AVB. Capello will get the job done and has done everywhere he has gone. I am only talking about steadying the ship. just a short term solution.
asherthesmasher
Funny how Saurez wanted to leave Liverpool and they said No and he performs like that for a club he wanted to leave yet we felt we had no choice to let Bale go and Modric and Berby. What is it about us letting our best players go and other teams being able to keep their, if players are under contract then surely they will still play if they are made to stay, Saurez is doing and so could bale and Modric.
WorldPeace
ghulamville-what are the points being made
WorldPeace
We should sign Ade! Oh yes he's sat playing xbox at home..
spurtool
been drinking but hey ho....will never get that time of my life back....whoever decided we can go into a campaign without buying (or not loaning) our LB needs to be fired...I'm sorry whoever decided that knows f all about management...poor team selection today, poor subs AVB had a mare...he ref was crap but AVB had a mare...what a crok of Shiiite...if he wants singing....how about 'we're shiiite and we know we are, we're ****e and we know we are'....we need a LB and striker no excuses or Levy can f off too...he's cost us CL footy and now he's making us a laughing stock...we don't care he gets an extra half billion when he sells...we want our Spurs back...#disgrace....
shedboy2
WHAT ARE THE ENIC APOLOGISTS GOING TO TELL US AFTER DANNY BOY'S LATEST LITTLE ENIC HUMILIATION??? "GIVE HIM ANOTHER 14 SEASONS", ANOTHER 8 COACHES, ANOTHER 4 DOF'S, ANOTHER 110 PLAYERS. THIS IS A LONG TERM PROJECT"...
Pele10
ghulamville - I understand your mates, defenders are more worried about Defoe because he has pace and can score from nothing, make space for himself and he moves a lot more. soldado just wants the ball on a plate in the area. Pathetic - sorry don't rate him and don't like his attitude. so many people call Defoe for being lazy, well Soldado is worse imo. saurez works like a workhorse, Soldado moans
WorldPeace
ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
a PL team who can't start a CB or a LB...you couldn't make it up...that is not a well run club....shocking...
shedboy2
WE WANT OUR TOTTENHAM BACK!!!
Pele10
YIDS!!!
Pele10
you play chadli with defoe and Holtby...you play wingers with Soldado...so much for setting the tempo at home...we lost the game before we kicked off...
shedboy2
didn't see the game - thankfully - working. hopefully avb will be sacked by sunrise
Cape Town Spurs
It would not have made a difference who played up front, Defoe would not have done any different to soldado, it was a bad team performance not individual, chadli I thought was ok but no support from others. Worst performance than at man city.
Kong
Cape Town Spurs- you are soooo lucky...we were shocking..pool beat us 5-0 and they aren't that good....I wish I were somewhere warm...I hate the fecking rain too...:((((
shedboy2
I cant understand people wanting Harry back, phucking joke.
Thats Entertainment
Love totty.. humble pie now out of the freezer...
Block D Spurs
100M for this $$$$$$$hit LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Rip The Reds Apart
100M for this $$$$$$$hit LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Rip The Reds Apart
I just hope you lot do not sack AVB just yet. We at Chelsea want a pience of this cake. Another 5-0 or 6-0 thrashing of AVB led Spurs will do very nicely.
Keyser Soze
Kong I think defoe makes better runs for balls through the middle...so with Chadli and Holtby on the pitch Defoe is the man...with Lennon and Townsend, Soldado...but we wasted one sub taking off a RB who was playing LB to put a LB ( who ain't up to standard) on...where the fek was Rose? our savior( ;) ) at LB didn't even make the bench...
shedboy2
Why can't we ever buy players that fit in and why can't we ever get a manager that can do the job.
WorldPeace
First of all congratulations to LFC. They played superbly and throughougly deserve the win. I have never publicly called for AVB's departure and I still somehow believe , but where in the history achives of any club with significant investment and expectations has a manager survived after such massive heavy defeats. I like AVB, but is there a leader missing from that dressing room? Where is the passion, guidance, yelling from the sideline. This group of lethargic players wearing white was taught a footballing lesson in how to pressure the opposition. I am trying to search for answers, but they are all excuses and no player wearing white is truly deserving of mention or praise.
So the age old question, where do we go from here? I truly do not know. This defeat is a knock out blow is so many ways. Apart from denting our hopes of a top 4 spot, rightly or wrongly, "in the court of public opinion", AVB is the next PL manager to lose his job.
thenuge
The players didn't look like they were playing for AVB today...first time i have seen that....not good. If AVB fails so does Levy...sack a top4 manager and then not even give the new guy a transfer budget...Joke of a chairman...focus on the footy rather than the property and your profit Levy.....#Levyjoke.
shedboy2
I think there is a aura around the place that is just not what we are familiar with. Its a aura of 'fear' that has established because we are being told to play a way that is just not familiar. There is no real flare and style, and I don't think it is down to gelling any more. It was there last season but it was covered up by Bale giving us goals and excitement. Last season our strikers couldn't score this season our strikers couldn't score, so what does that tell us. That AVB is not getting the best out of the strikers or all the strikers are rubbish including the one we have just brought in.
WorldPeace
Our goal difference is worse than one of West Brom and they sacked their manager. It's the same as West Ham's and they are in relegation battle. Say all you want AVB will be out by sunrise.
Moscovite
Breaking news, I gonna have another beer and wait for some good news to come out of WHL.
Thats Entertainment
I believe we wont be able to make the top6 with that kind of performance! AVB must leave for his sake.This is embarrasing!!
SilwalYid
stu_u2k - agreed but watching the replays he left his foot in and kicked out as there was contact
hugh jarse
And he blames sending off for the shocking display. Says it all really.
Moscovite
Fair point shedboy, it is not the players that are the problem, it is the way we okay and set up, the players are there to do what Liverpool did to us. Shame they are not playing like it.
Kong
There is nothing wrong with a high line if you have pacey defenders to get back and very good work ethic of the forward line to press the opposition. We have dawson who is slow and even vertonghen isn't the fastest. Our forward line of Soldado is not that fast and do the rest of the team press the opposition enough No.

I just don't know what to think but I do know this is not fun anymore.
WorldPeace
Worst home defeat in 16 years.
Moscovite
So disappointed with team selection. Naughton and Dawson cannot cope wih Prem speed and directness. Lennon is a shadow and will never shoot.Chadli tries but is only a squad player at best. Someone has suggested replacing AVB with Capello ....what??????? Must be a joker who wants to relegate us. We were outplayed and outgunned and they had the horrible but amazing Suarez. First time we didn't dominate possession but the usual rubbish in the last third. CAN SOMEONE SORT OUT THE MISSING LETTERS ON THIS WEBSITE> HOW MANY MORE TIMES??? Our goal difference is relegation material.
wentworth
Do we stick or Twist. We are still only five points of fourth polace so do we stick and see the season out with AVB give him the season to turn it around or do we twist and make a change and see if another manager can turn it around for us, before we get too far behind.
WorldPeace
Thats Entertainment "I cant understand people wanting Harry back, phucking joke."
Meaning, it was a joke to be in the Champions League and never out of the top five?
Hotspur 1882
Thats Entertainment- best call AA...I have a feeling you'll be drinking beers for a long time...
shedboy2
I think that AVB has to go now. I do not think their is a way back for him now. He does not know his best 11 and keeps playing a system that suits none of the players at the club. That said I agree that it is time for a change with regards to the owners. They need to sell. The stadium is turning into a ***** take now. How long has it been in planning stages. If Lewis was to run the club and put in his money then fine but we do not have any more big players to sell off now. Whatever happens Lewis has given Levy too much control of the club. He also needs packing off now. No thanks to Harry back. Maybe Hoddle but not any one else. Gutted that our fave German has just signed a new 4 year contract with U.S.A. Not sure where we go from him. The manager we should have got was the opposing manager today. Maybe Laudrup can take us forward but I feel we need a more mature manager. But someone that will take the brakes off the way this side has been playing.
nothappyharry
And to think we could have hired Martinez or Rogers and went for AVB instead. Genius!
SpuriousLife
I rarely criticise players, believing that they don't pick themselves, but I have to say that I was not unhappy with the selection of the midfield but they were rubbish individually and collectively. Too slow to close down and dawdling on the ball. My faith in the squad has really taken a knock now and AVB's fate in their hands doesn't look too promising for him. Shame, I thought all along that it would come good but too slowly to challenge for 4th, now I don't think we'll get within 6 points of it.
Love totty
Even prior to Newcastle game I said I'd boycott all our home matches until he gets a sack. Well, we have a good run of games now for a new manager to come in. This should instil some confidence in our rapidly fading team. Let's start with 1/4 final on Wed and surprise everyone with how impressively phoenix has risen from ashes. I know we will.
Moscovite
The thing is Pool were ****e! they are not even that good...we were just beyond a joke rubbish....
shedboy2
It is time for AVB and i expect it to happen this week, i feel sorry for him because i really wanted it to work for him, i hope he still has success in his career but he is out of his depth currently it seems, to early at this level for him. I dont have a clue who we should get, but please no Capello, Redknapp back or Hoddle like some are suggesting. Michael Dawson by the way i dont know how anyone can stick up for him anymore, he is incredibly woeful as is Naughton. Chadli the only positive for me today, thought he was quite decent, other than that, shocking.
WizYid
WorldPeace
Agreed Bale should have been made to stay.
Hotspur 1882
QPR top of the league!
Hotspur 1882
That is true shedboy, Liverpool are not that good but we made them look workd class. Disappointing feeling today, AVB and the players let us the fans all down.
Kong
P.S. Defoe is not the man. Midgets have to be powerful,skilful and great ball players. Defoe is past it like Lennon.No improvement in five seasons for either of these little chaps. Todays game is about power not prettiness. Look at Suarez, Messi, etc not that big but tough, strong and powerful. Defoe no sorry.Not good enough and always crowded out or offside!!
wentworth
No way do I want Redknapp back in charge, he shi7 on us when the england job came up, loyalty my arse. It's the one thing Levy was wise to.
spu 4 life
Some people still saying "5 points off 4th". Hahaha
mattspurs1982
who said history doesn't repeat itself...this just seems like Ramos all over again...Levy....get your short arms to the bottom of your long pockets and give the manager some of the Spurs fans money to buy a striker and LB...or you can f off and take the DoF system with you...
shedboy2
World peace - it's difficult to know what to think. AVB's reign has been so inconsistent, some weeks I feel we're making progress other weeks its looks completely lost. I think that Levy will stick and I think the fans will continue to be patient for a little longer but I'm wondering whether he has now lost the dressing room.
MrSpurs
spu 4 life
Harry wont be back. People like Levy rarely admit they were wrong!
It is not disloyal to consider an opportunity to manage your country.
The fact that his years were easily the best since the Burkinshaw era speaks volumes. There is no denying that under Harry Redknapp, Spurs played their most attractive and successful football for many years.
Hotspur 1882
Matt, I agree, this is laughable. It's the same lot who will be counting how many points we are OFF until the season is over.
Moscovite
Whether you like HR or not is not relevant. I don't suppose those advocating Capello, particularly like his warm personality.
Hotspur 1882
If someone else comes in I hope we don’t go mad in January, take time and evaluate the squad and make the player changes in the summer
MatJspur
what a comedown for all you gobby *****s who were posting comments about arsenal getting stuffed AWAY, the term glass houses and people comes to mind !!!!!!!! LMFAO
cornish gooner
MrSpurs-I agree, i honestly don't know what to think either. I do know from what I am perceiving the football we are playing is not that pleasing to the eye although we have moments, but overall I just don't know what to think. I mean we don't really know what goes of behind closed doors. Ade situation, BAE loaned out, all these players in, who chose them. Bale and Modric sold, who's decision. I mean is it the managers who are inept or is it Levy making bad decisions with the managers, did AVB choose these players or was it Levy instructing Baldini to find yound potential players that have a sell on value. Who knows, I doubt we can blame just the manager, this has been going on for seasons, we just don't seem to be able to break into that top four and be consistent.
WorldPeace
Laudrup, Redknapp, Capello - don't want either of them. Martinez or Hoddle - yes but Martinez is already doing great with Everton. This leaves us with Hoddle and I believe this is our best option altogether.
Moscovite
I have to say I am upset as the posters on here.. bad, bad bad display by the players, and manager must take the blame...we are not playing with the same ability as the first 8 games this season. at least we were wining 1-0 and now after fans and media pressure, we are playing more open and what happens...goals against is massively negative. So as i said before we were grinding out wins, ugly .. but points on the table. The alternative is the open style fans wanted, and here we are humiliated again... we need somewhere in the middle to steady this erratic situation.. can AVB be allowed to do this??

Looking at levy's track record, of manager appointments, doubtful.. even if he has egg on his face, by sacking AVB, the club comes first before any individual, including the chairman's embarrassment. So If AVB goes, who does Levy appoint.. ???
Block D Spurs
No doubt we'll have the usual well meaning but sadly deluded AVB zealots reminding us about win percentages and record points tallies, talking about gelling and structure and it's a 3 year project blah, blah. What sort of a fan thinks that two thrashings can take us anywhere but down and that it is worth the risk to persevere regardless.
Love totty
Getting beat is not enough for this AVB Spurs side, we are not satisfied unless we get humiliated. After Man City (A) L 6-0, we now have Liverpool (H) L 5-0. As I said in an earlier post, we should stop our navel gazing, and self congratulation, when we beat minnows (Fulham, Sunderland, Anzhi), and wait until we beat a proper team, if that day ever comes. Surely now even the most fervent AVB fan cannot defend this today, he looks adequate just to hold his own in mid table in the PL, but is just not equipped to manage a team aspiring to a top 4 finish, the proper coaches in the league just take him apart in the big games. With Newcastle's move up over this weekend, we have now played 7 teams above and around us in the PL table and we have managed 3 points from the available 21, and our goal difference in these matches is F3, A16, GD -13. This is surely P45 form for any coach, particularly one who has been allowed to spend £111M on bringing in 7 players, several of whom are not properly contributing to the team. He has broken the transfer record on 3 occasions, as well as several long standing records involving record scores, biggest defeats etc. during his short tenure. To think that immediately before his arrival we had achieved 2 top 4 finishes and a QF place in the CL (the best performance by a rookie club). With regards to our playing style, and tactics, he seems to stubbornly stick to his guns without learning from his mistakes, or heading criticism, he seems to believe that what worked in Portugal, with an absolutely outstanding group of players, not of his making, will automatically work in the PL, it won't. If we are satisfied with beating the bottom 3 in the PL (just) then fine, but anybody like myself and others, who expect and demand better from a Spurs team, I am afraid are convinced that this manager is just simply not the man to deliver. How many more humiliations will it take to convince Messrs Levy and Lewis that unfortunately they have got it wrong again, but never mind it ain't the first time.
Frank
didn't see the game as I was working but listened to it on the radio. I thought at one point if our goal had been given we may have got back into the game. Substitutions I think are another weak point of AVB's. I thought Moussa should have stayed on (unless he was injured) and Paulhinio should have come off instead (as he did in the end). WorldPeace I don't think we had to sell our best players, it just made sense when you are offered 100 million! Just think we wasted our money that's all, sold our London pad and bought 10 houses in Newcastle! Very sad spurs fan - again!!
mountainyid
Levy has a very tough decision ahead of him. He has to either let AVB make one more iteration of the squad or he has to act now. Guys like Laudrup, Poyet or even Hoddle should be on the shortlist. We all know that our squad is most of the way there but missing those 3 or 4 better players that can make a difference. AVB is going the same way as Harry with a load of ostracised players kicking their heals (Gomes, Kaboul, Adebayor etc) and is backing the wrong horses in the team. He had no choice but to pick Dawson today but how is that pathetic excuse of a defender wearing our armband and being almost ever present. Fergie must be sitting watching us wondering why did he invest all those years in Zeki Fryers only to see a natural, 21 year old LB not getting a chance. At LB Naughton is a joke and as soon as Fryers came on we started to get control of their right side again. Dembele is injured. We can all see it. He is a yard slower than normal, he is ineffective and we all know he is patching himself up to play when we have other guys like Holtby, Siggy and Eriksen wanting a start. That's poor management when we keep seeing Dembele do the same thing over and over. Take him out and let him get fit to play the game.

The biggest thing about AVB's football philosophy is not the high defensive line. It's not even the slow build up play. I spotted it today. It's the lack of running off the ball. They are too constrained. There should be 2 or 3 passes on at all times and that is exactly what Liverpool had. It's about players being able to leave their positions and get involved. Our's aren't allowed and the opposition just block the one player who is in a passing position.

This time I fear for AVB. I'm not against Hoddle coming in on a contract until the end of the season. We have nothing to lose and he needs to prove he still has what it takes. We all know there's a great coach in their somewhere and hopefully his mature years will help him with the people aspects of the role. It will also unite the fans.
muttley
I can't work out what our game plan is under avb. Are we trying to be hard to beat with two DMs, but we break too slow.. Are we trying to contain and pressure teams but the high line cramps everything. Are we trying to feed our £26m six yard poacher but we play inverted wingers. I just don't understand what our plan a is. There's no plan b (as we learnt today and at city). The players must be confused. Break quickly but sideways, get balls in the box but come inside, sit deep with two DMs but play a high line. All so odd
mattspurs1982
Hotspur 1882 QPR top of the championship, and your point is??
Thats Entertainment
mattspurs1982 - good points
WorldPeace
Muttley, great post, sums it all up perfectly.
Moscovite
we won't improve if we don't invest in players...we keep making a profit on transfers so ENIC can use the money to increase the value of the club which they will take with them when they sell...if AVB fails so does Levy....
shedboy2
Laudrup, Capello and Hoddle are favorites if AVB is to go. I fancy Capello. He may be negative, but he knows what he is doing with it. Now is time for an experienced head. Get someone who commands respect. We have the type of team Capello would drool over.
asherthesmasher
To simply blame the sending off for this result, and score line, is yet again AVB clutching at straws, and conveniently trying to divert the attention, and the blame, from himself. This is one of his few talents as a manager, the ability to wriggle out of an admission of failure.
Frank
Unfortunately after attacking some of the media the other week, it might be a difficult press day for avb tmrw. It all started to go wrong when he had a go at the fans. That's prob why fans (me included) have lost patience rather than give him more time
mattspurs1982
Frank -AVB hasn't broken the transfer record...that'll be Baldini....who was appointed and finance approved by Levy....Levy is taking you all for mugs...put a Spurs pin on your lapel and pretend your interested in something other than property....he's a charlatan.
mountainyid- lucky you were only listening we were ****e our 'goal' could have stood....we were never in the game let alone getting back into it, it would make no difference!
shedboy2
I believe Hoddle as a caretaker is an ideal candidate. Think of him as Harry-2 who saved us after Ramos (only AVB this time). British manager comes to rescue. Considering timing this analogy works perfectly well. Plus there is a hope that Hoddle will outshine Redknapp in the end. We can look into the future later. For now we have to save the season, and with Glen at the helm I genuinely believe we can. He'll also unite the fans as muttley correctly pointed out. But I have a feeling Levy may go for Sherwood instead. Not sure what to make of it.
Moscovite
If a player gets sent off and your two nil down you organise your team to keep it simple and tight to avoid a humiliating defeat, that wasn't done.
WorldPeace
It doesn't really matter who the coach is...we couldn't field a CB or a LB!! what a joke a PL club spends millions but sells a LCB and loans a LB out but can't field in those positions...well run we are not!
shedboy2
Oh and Baldini should leave. This is a no-brainer.
Moscovite
wentworth, and who would you have selected? Injured players? Capoue still is not up to his early season form and playing out of position. Naughton, out of position, Dawson, our number 4 CB is forced to be number one. Sandro was clearly injured. So, who exactly was there to throw in there. What options did AVB have?

By all means folks, bring back Harry. Allardyce, every bit as good. O'Neill sure, why not. WE will not win anything with any of them. Oh, that's right, it's not about winning, it's about entertainment. Sack AVB now. That way we'll be out of the League Cup in a few days and then out of the FA Cup. Then let's get out of Europa so we can quickly concentrate on still not having enough resources to win the PL. Will Adebayor all of a sudden be great and healthy enough to play? Bring back BAE. He's been ok in the Championship. Upgrade, for certain. Forlan must be available somewhere. What about Neville? Hoddle as manager, really? What exactly has he ever won? When did he last manage? How did that go? Let's bring back Pleat. He knows the names of all the players. Jol is available.

And for the love of Spurs, stop going on about the 100M plus investment unless you are prefacing by talking about the fact that 3 windows ago we lost 3 of our 5 best players and lost our best player this past window. No net spend. Younger team, and all the dross is almost finally gone.

What other team has seen 7 new players, 2 back from loans and injuries to 9 potential starters (Sandro, Capoue, Kaboul, Adebayor, Rose, Vertonghen, Chiriches, Chadli, Eriksen). How will sacking AVB make Kaboul fit? Vertonghen? Adebayor? It's the way it goes. Funny how the commentators could not mention enough that Gerrard and Sturridge were injured. Not one mention of why we had a MF and then a kid at CB beside a slower and slower Dawson. WE were missing a couple of key players too and fielded a couple out of position and a couple who should not have started. All because of necessity, not a stupid team selection by an incompetent manager.

Lastly, not a single one of the 5 or 6 people that I wanted as manager are available. To bring someone in and change things up just so there is an "English" style manager, is, IMO, ridiculous and will come with the same levels of success as Harry brought. If finishing 4th with the third best squad is what we want, there are all sorts of guys out there. AVB would never have been my choice, but he is a darned side better and more qualified than most. COYS
peterballb
shedboy-I agree to a certain extent to be fair though Caulker went we got Vlad, it is not AVB fault that three CB's are injured. LB was a mystery not just the loaning of BAE but relying on Rose who hadn't proved that much with a unproven LB in Fryers who actually cannot be fancied by AVB as he hardly plays him so why loan BAE. So LB is a mystery
WorldPeace
let's sack AVB bring in guy who gets us into top4...then not strengthen the team, fire him and start again....hmmm who makes decisions like that....Levy ...has not spent the ticket or TV money on a player for 3 years, whilst taking the second highest executive salary in the prem ....feathering his nest...#Charlatan
shedboy2
First of all, don't over react. Your team, collectively, is not as bad as todays showing. Your a little thin defensively; however, I don't believe your team plays for AVB and therein is the fundamental problem.
lamarochs
WP- it's not AVB's fault 3 cb's are injured, perhaps...who played Verts our best CB as a LB (with all the extra running that involves) because we didn't buy a LB? Who decided we didn't need/couldn't afford one?...whoever that person is is incompetent...and should be fired.
shedboy2
Levy brought back the DOF system, he hired baldini so if AVB does go a new manager will have to work with baldini too, if baldini goes then it will be time for for things to change on the board too, you cannot keep changing structures and not take any blame. The players have not suddenly become bad, if we lose to west ham then I think AVB will go.
Kong
who fired our top4 manager and gambled on AVB?
shedboy2
And you couldn't make this up. People are screaming for a 39% manager who has not managed in 7 years to take over for a 59% manager. Edward Albee has nothing on some. COYS
peterballb
I don't think AVB should be sacked but levy has history.
Kong
Mattspurs, this is what happens when you try and coach from lap top software, or theoretical text books, instead of using past knowledge and experience gained, either during a playing career, or an extensive coaching background. The EPL is not the place for boffins with "L" plates up, it is a hard school, too hard for this bloke apparently. He has had 2 goes and has failed on both occasions
Frank
Well I have had enough. Good night all and lets see what tomorrow brings.
WorldPeace
Has anyone seen BAE's tweet yet? He and Adebayor actually taking a ***** showing five fingers reflecting the scoreline. This just shows personal issues with our current manager.
Moscovite
AVB SACKED! On Sky Sports right now!
Moscovite
And what was going through Paulinho's mind. 100% deliberate. Turned his foot to do it. Fully deserved red card. Shocking play from a player from whom I expect so much more. Like the Adebayor Red or the Crouch Red. COYS
peterballb
"The biggest thing about AVB's football philosophy is not the high defensive line. It's not even the slow build up play. I spotted it today. It's the lack of running off the ball. They are too constrained. There should be 2 or 3 passes on at all times" You just noticed that today muttley!?
Guyver
Sorry, someone retweeted a tweet from 2012 about his sacking at Chelsea. I saw SSN announcement on twitter.
Moscovite
BAE and ade should never play for the club again if that is what they done. That isn't against the manager but to the fans, shameful.
Kong
Apologies for premature ghost goal celebration lol. I'm sure it's coming though.
Moscovite
Moscovite - He didn't blame the sending off. He said it was a contributing factor - which it was!!
woodyn17
shedboy2, there is no profit from player sales. Facts don't bear that out. Our wage packages have probably increased more than any other PL team over the past decade and we finish every year with a modest gain or loss. This is not Arsenal selling their best players to fund a stadium. We could do that. There is a market for Vertonghen, Sandro, Walker. There's 60M right there. I also did not see anywhere where AVB blamed the sending off for the loss. The idea, as has been stated, is that you reorganize to not take a heavier loss is ridiculous. 1-0 or 5-0, it's still 3 points lost. COYS
peterballb
We fielded with no recognised LB and Dawson was our only recognised CB , Sandro was our only enforcer and he came off injured and to make matters worse Paulinho got sent off. How the ref saw it as a red I don't know. We *****ed up by not fielding Fryers from the start so we wasted one sub, then we was forced to sub Sandro. We had no penetration and we got bullied. The game was so bad to watch I was even thinking the ref was not going to give us anything today. AVB needs a miracle. I still back him but he will need all the support he can get. COYS!
James1
The picture of Adebayor and Assou Ekotto making the 5 gesture is disgraceful and so disrespectful to the fans.
MrSpurs
Peterbalb, if AVB ever does a murder, I hope for his sake he gets you as his defense advocate, as you would get him off, stood on your head. If we sack AVB who says that there are no managers available, advertise the position and see how many managers, many already in work elsewhere would apply. Was Martinez unemployed when Everton came calling, no. You can rest assured that there will be managers out there at least as competent, and most more experienced than your idol AVB who would start to agitate for a move from their current clubs, both at home and abroad, if the Spurs job became available. Let's put it out there and see who rises to the bait. there is one thing for sure, we can hardly get much worse.
Frank
BAE and ade are denying that is what they are doing but they have big smiles on their faces, the team have just lost 5-0 and they post "what a match" with smiles, and people blame AVB for not playing them.
Kong
Woody, he said it was a "key moment in the game" not a "contributing factor". Watch the interview, mate.
Moscovite
Except Frank, we are not flush with cash to sack one manager, pay him out, pay off the other manager's team, pay the new guy, get rid of Baldini, buy him out and start all over again throwing out half of the players we have just bought. COYS
peterballb
Muscovite - you bloody tease!! I was jumping on the bed for 3 mins then hit F5!
mattspurs1982
*Moscovite not muscovite - oops sorry iPhone typo
mattspurs1982
Anyway, here's a serious question: why does almost every other our sending off end up in Spurs' IMMEDIATE collapse and INEVITABLE humiliation? 2:5 Arsenal, 0:5 Liverpool and God knows what else it was? Chelsea scored 2 against Barcelona when they were down to 10 men and got into CL final. But if I were AVB I would not even mention sending off. Just like the City match the game was completely lost with or without it.
Moscovite
The sending off didn't change the outcome and AVB isn't blaming the sending off, he has taken full responsibility so stop all this AVB blaming the sending off. Bad day and he accepts it. Paulinho can have a rest now for 3 matches.
Kong
I agree with most of what you say Frank. AVB is not the man. That has become apparent to me as the season has gone along, and strangely we have got worse. We have never really played well over AVB. I thought that last year we looked ***** because the players we had we average. Now we know why we really looked *****. I have noticed also that AVB has swayed from what he was doing earlier in the season, probably to try and solve the lack of scoring. I am just confused as to what AVB is trying to do do, tactically. Harry was predictable, AVB is clueless.
asherthesmasher
Peterballb - so make the right appointment and you wont need too. Levy has been at the club for 11 years and we're still talking about basics such as should we have a Dof or not. After Hoddle, Santini and Ramos you have to question Levys recruitment of managers.
MrSpurs
"Bad day and he accepts it". But we don't. Out.
Moscovite
peterballb - hoddle, pleat and co never resided over a 6-0 and 5-0 within weeks, never sent our best LB out on loan only to unbalance the team, attacked the fans, had £100m worth of talent given to them (hoddle had to cope with freebies - sheringham, poyet) and never have I known the spurs faithful to be so fed up with the style of play. You're happy to back a guy who delivers no shots on target at home. Wow. I'm glad you're not part of the spurs board
mattspurs1982
I hate to keep changing the manager, but I don't know if in today's day and age, whether you can allow a manager time. If we have no champions league next year, we will lose our best players and won't be able to attract right quality to come in. I was at the match today and despite the number of injuries we have at present we still had round pegs in square holes, Townsend/ Chadli, Fryer/Naughton. Ref was crap, but that didn't make up for how poor we were. Wrong set up and wrong players, if 36,000 people can see it from the start, but takes AVB until half time. If he goes who, please not Capello, for me Hoddle or Clark on short term contract, unless we can get Laudrup
Chelmspur
West ham was a bad day, city was a bad day, today was a bad day. How many more bad days before we're scrapping for 7th? Tho some on here will still be saying "only 6 points off 4th" even when we're sat in 12th place with 4 games left
mattspurs1982
I commented on here a day or two ago that I wasn't sure how much our performances against Man U, Fulham, Sunderland and the Russians meant and that today's game would be a better indication of where we were. Well, I guess I got my answer! However it is wrong to judge AVB or the players as totally incompetent. We have serious injury problems, particularly in defence. BAE was allowed out which is hardly the fault of the players (who makes the decisions at WHL?). We do not know the truth as to why Cauker was sold but there must surely have been a good "behind the scenes" reason why he was sold. Without Rose, Kaboul, Vlad or Verts there was a choice of only Naughton or Fryers, neither of whom are currently up to playing LB in the PL. Every other player in the team has proved their worth in past games either for us, other clubs and/or their country. So, what went wrong today? Well, firstly we must understand that Liverpool excelled themselves today. They played some great football, their pressuring of any player in a white shirt was superb from the start. We lost Sandro to injury which, apart from its obvious effect, also used up a substitution which we could have done with later in the game. Then Paulinho went for a difficult ball and seemed to put a kick into Suarez and was rightly sent off. On top of all this I believe the under-achievement of our team is down to AVB's philosophy about the game and, perhaps, a stubborness that makes him averse to change. I put my hands up to admitting that I believe Harry was and is a better manager for THFC. I also believe that Jol was a better manager for THFC than AVB. I believe that Harry, Jol, Glenn, Ossie (and Brendan Rogers!) are all more suitable managers for THFC than Ramos, AVB or, may I say,Capello. Good teams are allowed to express themselves, players allowed to play the way they play their best. It is, for example, wrong to criticise Dawson for being too slow to play a high line - he is still, I believe, a more than capable defender when playing a "traditional" game where the ball is coming towards him rather than over or past him where he has to turn and try to match a forward for speed. So what to do? Well, the first thing is not to panic. We need to see how things go on the injury front. We need to see AVB and the players become more familiar with each other. Most of all we need to see AVB realising that things have to change with regard to our style of play and the use of tactical rather than like for like substitutions. We need him to tell the players that they play for a club with a fine attacking reputation and that they will be supported by him (and all of us) if they take risks, work hard, and show that they really want to wear the shirt - our shirt! Will it happen? I don't know and I admit to some doubts but frankly I am afraid that a change of manager right now would only lead to further upheaval and deny the people who let us down today the chance to redeem themselves.
Dennis Silverton
No to hoddle, why would that work now, if a change was to be made then the last thing we need is a short term manager.
Kong
All I'm saying is the ref was behind Suraez and would not have seen the challenge, so unless he had help from the linesman I don't know how he could have come to that conclusion. The game was gone from us before that challenge but it just means Paulinho missing out for the next 3 games. COYS!
James1
Don't forget it's the players on the pitch kicking the ball around! Has AVB lost the players in the dressing room...Dawson said they are all together after the wins at Fulham and Sunderland. I wish AVB would swear more...they need a few *****s thrown at them!! As I mentioned I missed the game being at work. I've just seen snippets on Sky Sports and Liverpool looked so hungry for the win....this is what this Spurs team are missing.., this season is long! COYS
mountainyid
I was at the game, Liverpool were very good they are more of a team than City, without so many superstars. I think City will win the title purely on quality in depth, I was impressed with not only Liverpool's quality but also their fantastic workrate. We were always second best, they outfought and outplayed us in midfield, our defence was makeshift and it showed, I really felt for Naughton
ItalianYiddo
Kaboul injured, vert injured, chiriches injured, rose injured, sandro injured, eriksen injured, adebayor injured. WTF? Why do we have so MANY injuries? It is truly un'fricken'believable. I like AVB and understand what he is trying to do and it cannot be easy with injuries to so many important players but something tells me he has lost the dressing room and the players are not playing for him. Its as if they want him to get the sack. That's very strange because most of them are his signings. Why would they want to do that unless they must really despise him and his methods?
neymar
Where was our record signing Lamela? Was he even on the bench as an option? If he was fit then the Poor kid is getting ruined by bad management
mattspurs1982
peterballb- I think there has been a profit from player sales...why would you say the facts don't bear that out....I hope you're not forgetting the 3m sell on for Gio...the rest of that post has nothing to do with me...worst home defeat for 16 years with no shots on target...couldn't make it up...by why let facts stand in the way...
shedboy2
In fairness to him, AVB did admit he got the tactics, subs etc wrong today, takes guts to take full responsibility. Hopefully we see some change against West Ham. Will write a proper post tomorrow, too bitter at this moment in time...
rahn DMC
Bad day today and I was unfortunate enough to witness it at first hand, but I see the knee jerkers are all out in force. How many of you said AVB out after the Sunderland game? Own up.
ItalianYiddo
Pool were not great, don't buy that, they will not be in the title race but they'll finish above us...as will Arse, City, chelsea, Everton and prob manu on this showing....where are we now?- 7th! best we get used to it...and then next year we can be satisfied with what? 8th?...we need to hang in there and hope Baldini and Levy earn their money and buy a LB and Striker or we're fecked with or without AVB...mid table mediocrity here we come....:(
shedboy2
I thought liverpool were really "at it" first half and we were poor. This was exacerbated by our makeshift defence and losing sandro. 2nd half we came out better but the sending off killed us. The late goals then create a headline grabbing scoreline and the media sensationalism kicks in. Which the fans feed off. Its a bad day at the office. Lets get 2 centre halfs fit for a start. AVB still has the best winning record of any spurs manager in 2 centuries. We have great chances in Europe and in the League Cup and still a long long way to go in league. Id be amazed if the board go along with the media and some fans knee-jerking after every bad result. We so need a reaction though - like we did after city. Lets take it out on west ham.
StillRickyVilla
Shed, Liverpool were bloody good, best pool side I have seen at the Lane in the last 10 years and as good as I have seen at the Lane for a while
ItalianYiddo
shedboy2
Agreed. Liverpool are in a false position. They may well over achieve as Newcastle did a couple of seasons ago.
Spurs? Too keen on selling best players.
Hotspur 1882
Watch the weasel tonight on MotD doubled up, going off for 'treatmant' ensuring a red card, rather than the merited yellow.
Hotspur 1882
IY- I dis-agree they were not great....they put more past us at the lane than you've seen in at least 16 years but that just shows how crap we were...they were not great, no way, just can not go along with that...seems like spin to me or you're not being honest with yourself.
shedboy2
On today's showing Liverpool def top 4. City, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal.
ItalianYiddo
srv- has he still got the record?...albeit a good one, it is 114 years...you make it sound 86 years longer....
shedboy2
Lads the reality is Liverpool are our benchmark, both clubs changed management last summer, both clubs had to rebuild and refresh their squads and both clubs were committing to a new longer plan. Both clubs were also fighting off the sharks looking for our best players. Thats where the similarities end. Liverpool have built their squad around a recognisable style of player introduced youth successfully and are reaping the benefits, we on the otherhand... I'm starting to think we back the wrong mourinhio trainee.
Slurms McKenzie
Shed, I was at the game and everybody around me at the game thought Liverpool were good, as I sit 5 rows up I could appreciate Liverpool's work maybe you had a better view.
ItalianYiddo
We made Liverpool look good, we let them dictate the play and we never recovered. They took advantage of our poor play, our attack was non existent. Nothing went right.
Kong
Italian - when West Ham managed by Sam Allardyce tactically out play you with no available strikers the warning bells start to ring. We beat Sunderland because they scored a own goal. Reactions are not knee jerk there have been problems all season long, even during the games we have won.
MrSpurs
Its not the defeat that is upsetting, its the nature of the defeat, an abject performance at home against our supposed top four rivals.
Slurms McKenzie
Topho it simply IS knee-jerking from the same culprits who never wanted AVB from the start. We win a load of games (more than we EVER have under ANY manager) it quietens them down for a bit then a loss comes along and BANG - AVB out, AVB is a clown.....etc etc. We will prob go on another unbeaten run now. Shut the idiots up again for a few weeks.
StillRickyVilla
Slurms, Liverpool didn't sell their best player we did, not that we had any choice. We are starting from scratch again Liverpool are building on and it shows. Dont you start knee jerking on me, lol.
ItalianYiddo
Liverpool were good but they are not great imo. They do have a great player though in Saurez wo incidentally made Soldado look like a play ground player. His work rate, hunger for the ball is amazing. Liverpool have a style of play that is working and that is why they are good but the depth of the squad is not good enough and they don't have enough quality players to be great at the moment but with a Suarez and a Gerrard they will compete for top four imo. Still the PL is still unpredictable imo
WorldPeace
Italian, "bad day today" when has there been a good day when we've finished a game and thought we played outstanding and thoroughly deserved the 3 points, Cardiff game maybe, Norwich or Villa away the rest of the league games have been complete t*ss that could easily have been drawn or lost. We have been s**t for nearly a year by my count. AVB is not up to the task simple as. Blame injuries, Baldini whatever, the simple fact is, AVB plays rubbish football that isnt fit for this league and is unwilling to change.
coys1717
Suarez makes most strikers look like play ground players. I feel sorry for soldado, every time he plays the service dries up.
Kong
mr spurs, if Defoe puts his three chances away we win 5-1. Dawson is fouled in the box, penalty not given. We can all look at the ifs and buts. Today second best by a mile, but give credit when due.
ItalianYiddo
Dont know if this has already been pointed out but liverpool have now scored more goals then us at white hart lane from open play this season. In regards to the game I dont think it was Avb's fault for the loss...our defence has been dismantled by injuries and any team who has to play their CM at CB against luis suarez is going to stuggle. The only change to the team I would have made prior to the match was holtby for dembele, he must be injured because hes played poor this whole season after being great last year. People talk about bae being loaned out but I think the loan that crushed us was tom carrol, he moves the ball quick and thats exactly what we need. I want Avb to get the sack but only if the right manager is found...If were going to replace him with hoddle then wheres that gonna get us pliss?
SpursSnM
Ok coys, let's sack AVB and start all over again.
ItalianYiddo
SRV - best win record against the likes of sherif, Tromso and Cardiff. Let's make an avb statue outside WHL. What a legend. We're awful, wake up
mattspurs1982
slurms, I agree, the loss to Liverpool is not the problem is the heavy defeat that hurts.
ItalianYiddo
I hope AVB resigns with a mutual agreement deal from the THFC board. I've witnessed the two worst defeats of spurs in the last month, of my 32 years supporting spurs. "Time to go AVB, your time is up".
82spursdebut
Btw guys look at this tweet by one of our own, it's really a sad day to be a spurs fan *sigh* "@Seaann_Homer: We may have lost 5-0 but at least we didn't lose 96 fans &#128514; #RealWinners"
SpursSnM
Pick your favourite coach! Any coach in the world football. Employ him as head Spurs coach tomorrow, and it won't work! A coach is only as good as the board above him. If players are sold whilst in long contracts like Bale without the approval of the coach it simply will not work. Liverpool in contrast refused to sale Suarez who cried to leave all summer long, but the chairman backed his coaches decision not to sale Suarez and turned down massive offers from both Arsenal and Madrid, and then let his coach offload the bad signings of former coaches at a big loss to the club, and now the team is coming together. The new Liverpool owner made his big costly mistakes early on and has learnt fast! In less than a season and a half the new Liverpool coach has turned the show around. We were stronger than Liverpool when Harry was here, and since he was fired Daniel Levy has decimated his very own squad. There is not a coach in world football who could succeed working with loser Levy and the penny pincher Lewis. Just ain't going to happen. Only one thing left to say, Just two words... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
Finally...just got in, did we win??.
Cider spurs
pele 10.....you are so wrong. How can you say AVB has not been backed !?
82spursdebut
Mattspur - yep we need to bring someone in that doesn't win as much. Makes perfect sense mate. Give some other mug ago eh? See how long it takes the likes of u to tear into the new man. No wonder Spurs will never be successful.
StillRickyVilla
Pele, there is truth there, we don't have a great track record with managers, the jinx you keep talking about might be true.
Kong
Ladies and gents I don't want to fall out with anyone on here but we can we all stop hiding behind pointless stats and win percentages against pub teams from Moldova and Norway. Trust what you see with your own eyes when we take to the field of play. If you do that you will see a disjointed, rudderless, leaderless shambles stumbling from one humiliation to the next with only a few moments of joy against only the very poorest sides in the league. We are sinking like a stone. No confidence. No belief. No fight. No guts. No glory. No class. If you insist on bringing up stats look at the things that matter like points (most of which we've nicked with dour 1-0 wins thanks to dubious penalty decisions, goal difference and position in the league table. They're the only stats that matter and ours are crap and getting worse.
SpuriousLife
Topho - do you want him sacked?
Kong
Sacking AVB doesn't mean we start again. Look at this list of players - Lloris, Walker, Kaboul, Vertonghen, Chiriches, Rose, Paulinho, Capoue, Sandro, Dembele, Eriksen, Holtby, Siggy, Lennon, Townsend, Lamela, Chadli, Soldado. Any genuine Spurs fan would know that those 18 players are as good as we've had for years and years. Even the rest like Defoe, Adebayor, Gomes etc aren't bad players at all. We need all of them playing to their strengths and we need more of them. I don't ever enjoy players of the ability of Dawson, Naughton etc wearing our shirt. However, they are only a symptom of the problem. The football philosophy of the manager is becoming the biggest problem. Even if we gave him the 4 or 5 more of the standard of the rest of the squad could he manage them. I now have my doubts.
muttley
I rarely comment, but the present situation obviously needs some urgent thought. AVB should never be sacked by levy, or anybody else for that matter, not only because he had very little to do with the players who were signed in the summer (it was baldini and Levy, after all) but because, even if AVB were to blame for this season, what good would sacking him seriously do? By this i literally mean: could any actual tottenham fan seriously back anymore Levy candidates, or even muster the enthusiasm to attempt this? Sure AVB's tactics are often debatable and in definite need of improvement, but he's young and today's problems fundamentally stem from Levy's NEED to get rid of established players like Assou-Ekotto, for the sake of the wage bill! I think i can safely say that today's result, if not the city result, would never have happened if we simply had ekotto on the books. How the hell levy/baldini can justify selling our main man bale and then shipping out established players like Ekotto at the same time is beyond me, especially when we sign top class but un-aclimatised players like Paulinho to fill the welshman's void. Had he stayed, Benoit may have mouthed off a couple weeks ago, had rose not got injured and kept his place at the former's expense. But when things are bad- or unlucky, as the injury situation was today- the man any credible team brings in at this point is a wise head, an ekotto-type player whose experiences with the club (his general rapport) prevent these massacres from ever happening. That type of player is exactly what levy gets rid of at the critical moment, merely because of the poor value that his wage represents. No credible team should ever have naughton and paulinho on the same pitch at this point in their respective careers, its a ******** unmanageable proposition in itself, and a car crash waiting to happen- AVB's not stupid, he's knows this, but levy is too busy renewing the contracts of younger, equally established players as ekotto (i.e walker), precisely because they are young! Before all the numpty tottenham fans get their wish and we employ Hoddle or Redknapp again, sack the ******** board. At least that way we'll know that the appointment didn't come from our own intrinsic, pig-ignorance.
AV-A-Banana-Again
Oh...and take Steffan Fruend and the Spreadsheet men with you.
82spursdebut
Topho so when we win more than we ever have its not AVB its because of bale. When we lose the odd one because of a centre half and left back injury crisis and an opposition that play out of their skins its down to AVB. Sums it up. Some people just have an agenda. Its clear to me.
StillRickyVilla
I don't want AVB to go. I want to see him stay and turn it around but I think the players are losing faith in him. He needs some record breaking winning streak to get out of this one.
MrSpurs
SRV - see the posts by Spurious and Topho. I can't be bothered to repeat. He's not up to it.
mattspurs1982
I'll repeat it......they are not up to it.
82spursdebut
I admire the stoic loyalty that IY and SRV are showing to AVB, citing a winning streak of 3 games against teams that are all sat at the bottom of the table. the fact is that we cannot beat a team from the top half of the table. I also keep hearing the 'gelling' argument. The players are playing the way they practice, as directed by AVB. They are gelling. They play the system perfectly. It is the system that doesn't work. It didn;t work at chelsea with a squad that won the CL, it didn't work last year but fortunately we had bale to score some belters out of nowhere to make us look good. the same thing happened against Fulham - two belters out of nowhere - the goals were scored DESPITE our tactics, not because of them. In the game against sunderland the team looked slightly better and we got a bit fortunate with the own goal but it was against a relegation candidate, and we laboured to victory. If we are happy to be a team that finishes mid-table then we should keep AVB but if we want more then we need to think seriously about whether AVB can achieve with his style of football.
Conan_the_Spur
AVB may turn out to be a bad choice after all, time will tell but if anyone wants him sacked have the guts to say it after a win not only after a loss.
ItalianYiddo
Ok Conan, you may have a point. Which team would you have played today and what would have you done different tactically?
ItalianYiddo
That is true Italian, at least you and others have always backed AVB whatever the results, if people want him sacked then that opinion shouldn't change when we win games or not.
Kong
How can some peeps defend the indefensible. One can make whatever excuses you wish to, you can fudge the ‘records’ and stats selectively, but c’mon guys, the shambles today (AT HOME) is totally inexcusable IMO.

We are not talking about a freak result that may have happened at the beginning of the season, blaming gelling being an issue. Injuries or not, we replaced players with MORE internationals, admittedly not like-4-like, but I would’ve expected to see a lot more urgency and desire from the off (on the back of a good recent run). We started (as usual) slowly and conceded quite readily and from thereon there was only one outcome. We have continued with our failure to score (especially at home), we continue to change winning teams (sometimes through injuries). Where were those players/style/tactics and goals that saw us build a mini run since the City defeat?

It is NOT the defeat that hurts, it’s the MANNER of the defeat, especially at HOME. Blame the injuries, blame the team selection, blame the referee, blame individual players, blame Suarez and Liverpool for insulting us (how dare they), blame every Tom, Dick and Harry, but at the end of the day (as stated by the man), AVB has to take the FULL responsibility for this. A case of re-group and start all over again?. The way the season has been and is panning out, I am no longer sure what the realistic expectations are. Boy, some ar$e kicking is in order big style! COYS!
Critical_Spur
I think the thoughts of sacking are reactive, but every other opinion is NOT knee-jerk as some would want to interpret.
Critical_Spur
What a plonker statement...you'd back a loser !!!!!....LOL We'll never win a Trophy or top 4 qualification under AVB and co'...it's quite clear to see that now.
82spursdebut
exactly critical, we have every right to criticise today's appalling defeat and yes the buck ultimately stops with AVB but to call for his head at this stage is absurd.
ItalianYiddo
I believe Jupp Heynckes isn't working at the moment.
SpuriousLife
Why is it absurd !? ..ItalianYiddo.
82spursdebut
because we have 27 points, 5 off top 4 and above the current champions.
ItalianYiddo
and as a result of selling Modric, VDV and Bale we have the most inexperienced team in the league.
ItalianYiddo
Exactly Italian Yiddo....we are NOT moving Forward...whilst others are. Plus we have spent all our Money, whilst others haven't.
82spursdebut
Are you saying we require a experienced manager, to school these youngsters ?.....ItalianYiddo
82spursdebut
unfortunately it looks as if daniel levy has bottled it for the first time and not pulled the trigger. only way to get him to is for all the fans at the west ham game to sing that we want levy out. then he will get the message. because if he won't get rid of the problem, he is the problem. coys
superspur74
Look, we were terrible today. Yes the defence was all over the place but remember it was makeshift and it was up against the best striker in the league. Before today we had virtually the best defence in the league so lets get things in perspective. Our midfield started lethargic but it wasnt helped by sandro being injured, paulinho getting sent off and liverpool themselves playing inspired football which was according to rogers the best they have played under him. Not easy circumstances. The bigger picture is we are winning more games than we ever have at a time of unprecedented player turnaround. We are a long way from making drastic manager changes. But like I said after city - we need to go on another run now. If for nothing else but to keep the idiots quiet.
StillRickyVilla
and for all of us that want him out but wonder who we could get in quickly, how about guus hiddink ?
superspur74
82spurs, we haven't spent any real money we actually made 3 million, so we have money to spend on a LB and striker.
ItalianYiddo
I think what we have to do is look at the bigger picture. I don't think we can blame AVB for everything because we have had problems with so many managers just as we have had so many problems with players at times. In all honesty we do not know who makes what decisions, buying and selling players for example.

Look at the present situation and we all agree we cannot understand why we have been left short at LB. Can we blame AVB when we do not know who's decision it was to loan BAE or why another LB wasn't brought in and why Fryers wasn't loaned out if he is not deemed good enough to play back up for Rose.

We have sold some very good players who made those decisions? Can we blame AVB for the sale of Bale and Modric. Liverpool managed to keep Saurez why couldn't we keep our best players? Then look at the striker problem especially Ade. He has been trouble where ever he has been and who made the decision to take him was it AVB or Levy, my guess Levy as I really don't see Ade being a AVB type of player. Then you look at Soldado who brough him him was it Levy, AVB or Baldini? Look at the new players, who made the decisions on them? In all honesty we don't know the truth about who is pulling the strings. There always seems to be the notion that Levy is the one making these decisions but we brought in Baldini so was Levy still making these decisions or not? I don't know of another club that seems to suggest that the board bring in the players like ours seem to portray. Often managers of clubs seem to know what players they want and they get them and it seems CLEAR who is making the decisions but at Spurs it's confusing, all ush ush imo.

We cannot always blame AVB for players that don't perform or make mistakes that cost us. However, we can blame AVB for tactics, what formation and selection he makes and in all honesty I am not sure I really know what he is trying to achieve other than make us hard to beat. It's a different mentality to what we are used to seeing and will bring it's teething problems but the question I am asking is this 'is it working' well on seeing our performances this season I would say most of the time it is working, we can be hard to beat but the problem is when we lose we lose badly, we seem to fall apart. So is that 'steel' mentality actually there?
WorldPeace
Just to qualify my earlier post, I don’t want to see AVB sacked. IMO, that, from our current setup, will be a MAJOR step backwards. It may also impact our progress in both the League Cup and Europa, both being achievable. I would loathe for us undergo another transitional phase under another manager. However, I WANT AVB to seriously review his methodology, approach, perception and style that only he considers will be successful in the PL. Thus far (barring all excuses) his approach has failed to bring a positive recognisable trend. Can anyone seriously admit to seeing a positive trend?. Hope this 2nd stuffing (at HOME) will be a major wake-up call for him, else I am afraid he is on thin ice. COYS!
Critical_Spur
We are still 2 steps forward and 2 back! The ratio needs to change.
Critical_Spur
Levy and co' publicly stated they had spent over £100 million in the last transfer window, for a reason....ItalianYiddo. That reason was to say publicly...that they can do no more for AVB.....cos' the Pot is empty. Maybe it can be refilled with player sales....but I doubt anybody would give AVB £20 of their own money to spend !..lol not.
82spursdebut
I think we also have to understand that there are not many managers out there that are available that could get us in the top four imo. Its a difficult league. If we want a take over then fine but don't expect it to be all roses. Personally I would prefer to stay as we are in terms of the owners and not go down the same route as City and Chelsea and I happy to stick with AVB as a long term plan for stability but I have to be honest I don't like the way we play. It's not exciting and it is not pleasant to watch. Will AVB get it right, I don't know only time will tell.
WorldPeace
guus hiddink did an excellent job over at the chavs in very similar circumstances and attempted to endear himself to us for when this time would come by allowing us to be the only team to beat his chelsea team in the league during his tenure. sign him up levy. if it goes well maybe we might get a few years out of him but in the meantime he would definitely turn this season around.
superspur74
How can the pot be empty when we haven't spent any new money? Southampton spent £46M new money for example.
ItalianYiddo
For the record, i was very critical of AVB after the Fulham game: we scraped a win against the worst defence in the league when they had just sacked their manager. I agree that sacking AVB at this point may not be too likely though. The next 4 games take us into the new year: 2 teams from the top half and 2 teams from the bottom-half. I would like to see us get 7 points from these games but if we get less than 6 i feel that AVB will be replaced. But by then it will be too late and a pointless action, our season will be over by then. Hopefully, AVB surprises us all and wins all these games, and believe me when i say that i'd love nothing more than to have see all the AVB supporters gloating and basking in the glory of being right all along but i just don't see it happening with his management.
Conan_the_Spur
World peace all of those things are of course AVBs fault. As is the UKs budget deficit, growing NHS waiting lists and inner city crime.
StillRickyVilla
Critical spur.....ask yourself, can you see AVB..having the nonce to win something at THFC. Last season..he had one of the best players of the world at his disposal.....yet we failed to reach dizzy heights. This season...he looks no closer to reaching the top levels....yet helped to spend over £100 mill'. My conclusion ...is we are wasteing our time / talent....with AVB and co'.
82spursdebut
Worldpeace, agreed this is what makes the PL the best in the world. Look at Man U easy winners last season and struggling to make it top 4 this season, even with the management change in the equation, by the way have you ever met TH Fan?
ItalianYiddo
SRV - when are you going to realise that it is you who is the idiot here. No doubt when the day comes you will wail that if only been given x more years…….
Love totty
Critical Spur, i don't think you can separate the two as you maintain (i.e 1.talk of sacking AVB as being either reactive or non-reactive and 2. Every comment as knee-jerk reaction). I genuinely believe that levy and any of his managerial appointments (be that the present incumbent AVB or his potential successor) are at an indefinite cross-roads both ideologically and economically. Believe me, i don't think AVB is perfect either tactically or with regards how he deals with the press and generally conducts himself. But the spectre Levy has established at tottenham (including our own prejudices) pollutes everything it has touched for a considerable period. For my money, Levy is at times indistinguishable from the fans in terms of his ideas and the actual verbal PR bull***** he spreads (never mind the fact that he's actually is a north london spurs fan!). And yet, he has also set in motion a model which simultaneously entertains and encourages the implicit idea that we are all mere fans to levy's godlike pedistool. Such a way of functioning for a football club/business (invoking such similarity and difference at the drop of a hat; such schizophrenia, ultimately) guarantees complete and indefinite failure for all involved thereafter, unless either Levy steps down or he and ourselves (for which we are the same) admit just as much to our individual selves, and consider it a neurosis. (Sorry for the psychoanalysis talk, but its jargon seems to work!). What i am saying is, AVB's legs have longer to run, and more fuel in them to cover such a distance. That he appear so immediately weak after a single defeat (albeit a bad one as today) can be considered only ever half the fault of his****ly and insular personality. That other half (at least) has to be acknowledged for what it is (i.e Levy), and yet, unsurprisingly it never is. The main question now is: do we want to be associated with Levy longer than we can stomach AVB? Because that the present predicament.
AV-A-Banana-Again
The new money...cough....is being spent on the Stadium etc. I think they will consider they have Backed THFC / AVB....pretty well.
82spursdebut
Critical Spur, i don't think you can separate the two as you maintain (i.e 1.talk of sacking AVB as being either reactive or non-reactive and 2. Every comment as knee-jerk reaction). I genuinely believe that levy and any of his managerial appointments (be that the present incumbent AVB or his potential successor) are at an indefinite cross-roads both ideologically and economically. Believe me, i don't think AVB is perfect either tactically or with regards how he deals with the press and generally conducts himself. But the spectre Levy has established at tottenham (including our own prejudices) pollutes everything it has touched for a considerable period. For my money, Levy is at times indistinguishable from the fans in terms of his ideas and the actual verbal PR bull***** he spreads (never mind the fact that he's actually is a north london spurs fan!). And yet, he has also set in motion a model which simultaneously entertains and encourages the implicit idea that we are all mere fans to levy's godlike pedistool. Such a way of functioning for a football club/business (invoking such similarity and difference at the drop of a hat; such schizophrenia, ultimately) guarantees complete and indefinite failure for all involved thereafter, unless either Levy steps down or he and ourselves (for which we are the same) admit just as much to our individual selves, and consider it a neurosis. (Sorry for the psychoanalysis talk, but its jargon seems to work!). What i am saying is, AVB's legs have longer to run, and more fuel in them to cover such a distance. That he appear so immediately weak after a single defeat (albeit a bad one as today) can be considered only ever half the fault of his****ly and insular personality. That other half (at least) has to be acknowledged for what it is (i.e Levy), and yet, unsurprisingly it never is. The main question now is: do we want to be associated with Levy longer than we can stomach AVB? Because that the present predicament.
AV-A-Banana-Again
just in case anyone thinks i am another avb hater and am knee jerking, i am not. i really wanted him to succeed, really wanted to believe chelsea was just dark forces at work against a young manager upsetting their cosy set up. but we cannot ignore the mounting evidence. he is making the same mistakes here as he did at chelsea. unable to deal with difficult characters, playing a system that doesn't suit the players at his disposal, playing players out of position and worst of all unable to see things that are obvious to the majority of us. if i could see any signs of progress i would agree on taking the longer term view but if you choose to ignore the evidence and just believe that blind faith and wanting him to succeed will make it happen we will end up wasting our big chance of moving in with the big boys. coys
superspur74
82spurs, AVB did win the EUFA cup and Portuguese title so he has won something, see even clowns can win things.....
ItalianYiddo
82spursdebut, IMO, AVB's stubbornness in his approach will be his downfall. The man had re-employed soon after his previous dismissal, been allowed time to sift through the squad at his disposal, allowed to spend over 100 mill to build a squad of HIS choice and now afforded time (?) to prove his worth. IMO, Levy will NOT sack him mid-season. Too much ego/pride at stake and there is STILL a chance he may do a SAF.....just may! COYS!
Critical_Spur
superspur, which players has he played out of position out of choice on a regular basis?
ItalianYiddo
well naughton and vertonghen for starters, dembele, wrong midfield position, sigurdsson out left, townsend and lennon on the wrong sides, need i go on. i'll excuse capoue as that was a necessity.
superspur74
True Italianyiddo...but that was then and this is now. Give him 10 seasons and i'm sure he will win something. But...I want results now and lots of finals and trophies in those 10 years. Cannot see it happening under AVB and co.
82spursdebut
Well that's it for me for the season. This to me was the litmus test of whether this team could do something this season or it would be a rebuilding year. Obviously the latter is the reality. I just feel really cheated and at a very low point in my football support. I was really hoping to see us dominate today but instead it was we who were dominated from start to end of first half when I had to go out. Turns out that was a good thing. Arsenal Wenger was absolutely right, we are struggling to get these players to come together. Too depressed to continue.
jvd
AV-A-Banana, sorry mate, that was too much for me take, even after your repeat post!. One-liner would've sufficed! :0~)

BTW, are you Darkenvai or another poster from a year ago?
Critical_Spur
so you think naughton and verts were played there out of choice? And Siggy too? Has it escaped you that we lost Rose early on and Lennon and Chadli were injured?
ItalianYiddo
That final supposed expletive in my last post with regards AVB's character was merely a reference to his unemotional attitude, for some reason it was censored….it was only half rude!
AV-A-Banana-Again
Critical spur......history doesn't repeat itself in football. Best to deal with the here and now.
82spursdebut
That's me done for the night, have a good evening/day and let's hope we pick ourselves up for the Spammers game. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
no italian yiddo it hasn't. lennon and townsend were played on the wrong sides at the same time. siggy played left when townsend could have played there ( he was on the right at the time) lamela could have played left. you didnt mention dembele so i trust you agree with that and if he hadn't chucked benny out without a replacement neither verts or naughton would have had to play left back
superspur74
Yes, goodnight...... I hate westwham.
82spursdebut
Maybe I am last years poster, Critical_Spur? As I said, i only post infrequently, at the key moments in the season….like today! Like my posts during the summer, regarding the bale fiasco/transfer market, that last post had to be more than one line! The issues are complex, important and interesting, i think. The only way this website will get rid of its much criticised trolls is by long writing. The basic structure and content of the site is clearly of enough value to keep me a frequent reader, if not poster.
AV-A-Banana-Again
Having a big Monday so did not get up at 3 am to watch the game. Couldn't help checking on the Ipad the score though. So glad I did not watch the game. Getting thrashed 6-0 and 5-0 is not right for a club with players like ours. It is just not on. Everybody needs to take a long long hard look at themselves and others around them and make things right. Like it or not, the buck stops with AVB.....This kind of results is just not good enough and from the posts on here during the game, sounds like the performance was matching the scoreline. NOT HAPPY :-((
Madaboutspurs
TK.. formally Brazil Spurs.. now AV-A -Banana-Again... am i wrong ?? ;-)
Block D Spurs
This was your big chance to step up to challenge for the title i just think maybe a bigger named provern manager with the amount AVB had to spend was needed, he is still young and learning im surprised he was entrusted with so much tbh, Spurs need to go and get a Van Gaal or Hiddink should have got one of these to spend the Bale money i feel, your a side that has talent but need that big player experianced manager but there is always a positive lads you could be a Villa fan like us lot then you would know what suffering is lol but to get hammered twice is not on go get that big manager and watch the difference its now or never you can't progress to title challengers under AVB imo
ClivetheVillan
Mad, I was so disappointed after watching the game, ended up sleeping only at 6 & took sick leave from work. I still furious now. From a team who cant score, we became team who can't pass & now we cant defend as well.
sydqcb5
I understand the frustration syd. Sorry that your efforts were not matched by our teams' on the other side of the world.
Madaboutspurs
Same as Sid, Game finished at 2am here in China. Couldn't sleep, was fuming! Jumped out of bed at 8am for work, had to check first online to see that he had been sacked so I could have a decent day at work, but alas he won't quit. Even my Chinese students know their teacher is Spurs, one or two knew the result from last night but they aren't laughing, they look at me with pity. Gonna get through this groggy day and wait for that idiot to be sacked, no ore appologies, no more excuses, no more high lines, strange formations and lack of effort/passion. Anyone could do a better job. Hoddle, Capello, Laudrup, Mr Bojangles...I don't care, anyone!!!
sukhothai
Depressing, humiliating and hopeless. The future doesn't look bright at the moment..
Guyver
Our injury/suspension list is getting horrendous. For Westham game midweek, we dont have a CB. We dont have holding MF with Paulinho suspended & Sandro injured.

Fryers & Capoue as CB pairing ? So many fixtures coming up, defence looks horrible.
sydqcb5
I really can’t understand why so many people seem upset! I thought we were absolutely brilliant for the full ninety minutes; consistently first to the ball, dominated the midfield from start to finish, every member of the team played like a champion, should have scored at least twelve goals, maintained possession well throughout, came out first in every tackle, passed the ball to perfection, won every 50-50 ball easily, had far more energy and enthusiasm, displayed a confidence rarely equaled this season, completely ripped their defence to shreds at will, and made one of our main rivals for a top four position look second-rate and totally lost on a football pitch. We were unbelievable! The other thing I can’t understand is ... why were we playing in red!
Geofspurs
Because he is so young, I don't want to be too critical of Naughton. But, please, never play him again!
Geofspurs
COYS
Geofspurs
I could not even crack a smile to your post there, Geofspurs :-(
Madaboutspurs
Some thoughts too far; 1) play all our games away (other team would get more money, but less points) .... 2) play AVB as CB so that he gets a closer view of his strategy .... 3) Ban TV cameras at Spurs games so that the players don't have to watch replays and become depressed. 4) .... Remind the media, players and supporters that we are safe from relegation. 5) .... Remind the same people that we are still above Villa and Preston, both of whom are double winning teams. 6) .... Always remember, it could be worse. Football ... ya gotta luv it! COYS
Geofspurs
WELL,just seen the game,poor from top to bottom,not going to get into the AVB stay/go debate ,but one question I do have is how long is this project?,because seriously I cant see any progression.I know about new players(I've said they need time) and injuries but the guys on the park aren't mugs but were made to look like sunday players on occasion,especially on defence(same against Man C).The biggest problem I see on the field is the lack of movement,we are just so static,football is all about movement,in attack and defence,don't know how many times I see players not moving into space(can't see the pass) or pass and stop and lots of guys not tracking back.The one negative I will say about AVB is "naieve",thinks he can come in and slow the way the game is played in a league renowned for the pace it is played at.The big teams know how(and have the players) to combat our shape and tactics if you continually go and do the same old same old,things need a fair old shake up,not sure AVB can or wants to.
sandroman
Sorry Madabout ... not too many smiles around today, mate. You can have this one ;-)
Geofspurs
Not sure if things would have bee much different if we had scored but have seen hundreds if games at every level turn because of one goal,Soldado's goal was legal, keeper leant into him but contact was shoulder to shoulder so nothing illegal,keepers just protected speices.Deffo a penalty on Soldado,so either one awarded especially the the first we could have had a whole different game,maybe,ok not likely but just trying to stay positive.As for the red card,got no probs with it thought Pauli moved his leg to make contact,but game was gone by then ,AVB couldn't use that as an excuse,we were second best on every level.Don't know why we're starting at home with six defensive players,sets a mind set from the start,for me it is a worrying trend.
sandroman
As I see it we have one of two choices. 1. Sack AVB but if we do it let's do it now so we can salvage what we can from the rest of the season and the new manager has some time to plug the gaps during the Jan transfer window. or 2. Back him to the end of the year and see where that gets us. In my opinion top 4 is out this season and the best we can hope for is silverware from one of the cup competitions.
MalaysiaSpur
I'll go with option 2. Give AVB till end of season. The signs are not good though. 5-0. 6-0....not good enough, period!
Madaboutspurs
Mad, sack AVB - But dont make a short term appointment. There should be someone who can take us fwd long term. Give them the season with no expectations - Let the new manager have the time to sort out the squad. If we win a cup, great. If we somehow qualify to Europe, great. If it doesnt happen, atleast new manager knows his squad by end of season - probably start fresh next season with some squad adjustment. Short term appointments are useless -given we are not a side struggling in relegation zone.
sydqcb5
This humiliating score has once again outlined that the big teams have all quite easily sussed out AVB's steriotype gameplan. They know exactly how to first neutralise us and then to annihilate and destroy us by dismantling us piece by bluddy piece. I am ashamed to have called for arry's head. He wasn't the best but the biggest thrashing we ever had under him was 5-2 and that with 10 men. AVB is turning into a freddy kruger (nightmare). We deserve a manager who knows what he is doing, can replace the high line, inject some passion and purpose into our laboured build ups and bring much needed movement into our all round play. If we do replace AVB I would like the new man to be Sean Dyche (the ginger mourinho) whose play is based on the barca possesion model and incorporates a well drilled pressing gameplan to win possession back when the ball is lost. Just what we need. His burnley team also outfoxed arry's QPR on saturday and now sit pretty in 2nd.
neymar
Liverpool have scored more goals from open play at White Hard Lane than Tottenham this season LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
Rip The Reds Apart
MAd/syd ... I'd leave it as it is until the end of the season. Sack AVB now and who would we get to replace him; with our track record for managers, who would be interested at this time? I think a manager should get at least one full season to show what they can do (I know he has been here for longer than a season but there were so many changes in the summer that he's virtually starting again). I agree that top 4 is slipping away. Concentrate on silverware, the Europa league would be good, would keep the profile out there, and help attract players (despite not being CL status). It's all confusing and can change so rapidly ... 3 or 4 weeks ago we had a great defense?!
Geofspurs
Too right Geofspurs, a month ago we had the best defence. What is going on? Someone is not doing their job(s).
Madaboutspurs
Geofspurs,Europa league would be great BUT,the level we will meet in the next round goes up substantially,Fulham to Pool standard comes to mind and we've seen how we handled that,and in all honesty we struggled to look really cohesive in most of the Europa games other than last week.AVB really has to be big enough to let go of ideaology that he has stuck to and start using the setup that works best for the players we have.Thought he'd realised after Man U game but almost immediantly retrentch back to what he thought was best,here's hoping,i'd take Europa cup if nothing else and be stoked.
sandroman
On second thoughts we should call AVB's bluff and leave him in the job to see if he has the balls to turn things around. Otherwise he will just complain unfair dismissal if we sack him (as he did when the chavs fired him). It will be interesting to see what his excuses will be when more and more players don't play for him and the boo-ing gets louder and louder as results get poorer and poorer as we slip deeper down the table.
neymar
Madaboutspurs the problem is the patched up defence and the loss of Sandro. Once we have our defence back we will be fine. Any team would struggle with the injuries we've got. COYS!
James1
hell have to walk without a doubt.
Uskok
Easy to spit venom at AVB...don't think firing him right now will help anything. He does have some questions to answer though. This team is woefully lacking in cover at certain positions. How can a team that spent as much as Spurs did, be so thin at the front and at the back? What is AVB's plan to generate offence? No shots on target today is unacceptable and quite frankly unbelievable! 15 in 15 is laughable...Two blowouts (6-0 and 5-0)with no response leads me to believe that the players are tanking to make a point? Spurs need to start bailing water NOW...Champions League out of the question...need to develop what we have bought and fix or address the back 4 in January...Someone needs to ask AVB what his offensive philosophy is...for the life of me I can't see what he is trying to do and the players seem handcuffed and restrained from expressing themselves...Very strange?!!
CharlieTott
AVB is on his way out. Never in all my years watching Spurs from the beginning of the 70s have I seen WHL as empty as it was yesterday 10 minutes before the end of a home game. Thousands had walked out. Levy won't have missed that. If his business model is based on exploiting a waiting list of 40,000 potential season-ticket holders currently waiting for a bigger stadium he can't afford to let us play football that the current season-ticket holders can't bear to sit through for a full 90-minutes. Us fans are starting to vote with our feet and that is Levy's nightmare.
SpuriousLife
James ... that's true. Suddenly all the good cover we had for positions seems to have evaporated .... but hopefully not for much longer. At least the cricket's going well (sorry, mate!).
Geofspurs
Italian, SRV, James1 - I despair at your blinded support of this loser. He has the ability to make international footballers look like pub players. West Ham was bad, city was a "bad day" and now this at home??? I can't see how you can be fans if you're happy to stick with this guy, what had happened to the club that finished 4th twice?! For the love of THFC he's go to go. Now.
mattspurs1982
Geofspurs a double stab to the heart :( Tbh with the cricket, the administrators are killing The Ashes. The winners should hold on to it for 2 years to make it special, just like football's World Cup which takes place every 4 years. Back to football, it would be foolhardy to remove him. January is going to be important. We need to spend to get out of this mess I think Geofspurs. A recognised LB is a must must must! COYS!
James1
mattspurs 1982 I will back the club whatever they do. That is who I support. I will back the manager, any Spurs manager for that matter until he falls on his sword or is shown the door. AVB will get my support, he has an opportunity to turn it around but it would help his and our cause if he had fit players to choose from at the back. COYS!
James1
James1 ,with greatest of respect mate the defence was hardly patched up,Walker/Dawson been there all season,Naughton although not a l/b has played plenty there and with the same right handed defence as yesterday and Capoue has played plenty of C/B in his career and was lauded as our rock in central defence after Thursday's game.As for Sandro when he went off Pauli and Dembele were both still on the park and both have had plenty of game time in the holding M/F role this season,so IMO hardly patched up.Just watched parts of the game again around the goals and the number of times players didn't track back or stood watching,waiting for others to make the tackle or break up play angered me,don't know who they are playing for some of them but certainly not the fans.Embarassing!
sandroman
sandroman ... I agree that the work rate and running off the ball was atrocious. Too many looked like they had given up ... and we have not seen that in these players before. But I agree with James in that I will just keep on supporting the team as I always have ... and that includes the players, the manager, the chairman and the board because, while they are there, they are the club. Of course that means that I'll have to deal with my own frustration, and sometimes anger, but, a man's got to do what a man's got to do! ;-)
Geofspurs
James - as a fan don't you want the best for our club? Sometimes loyalty can be misplaced and actually detrimental and a cop-out to boot. (No pun intended). Andre's weird "I'm not sure I can make this public" remark indicates that all is not well between him, Baldini and Levy. Something has to give - maybe it will be Baldini, or does your loyalty not stretch to him?
Love totty
Same question to you Geoff.
Love totty
Taxi for avb for obvious reasons. Followed by a taxi for Baldini and Levy for a shambolic summer transfer policy that has set this club back 5 years!! I said after the Citeh shambles that AvB will be judged on the Liverpool game and the spammers cup tie. But it is clearly now the time to get shot of him and give Sherwood a chance over the next month. Im sorry we will just plod along winning by the odd goal against the xmas turkeys and then get put to the sword by 4-5 goals against Manure and end up with a GD deficit only matched by the bottom 3 if we are lucky!! Forget coming on here and saying we are only 5 points of a CL place, thats just smoke and mirrors!! With our GD now we are as good as being lucky to end up mid table. The rot started to set in when we sold Modric and replaced him with a plodder called Dembele. Who next this summer Verts for 20m, and replaced with Titus Bramble?? Good for the book keepers who come on here and will say net spend profit yet again. COYS
WestStandEnclosure
Geof,i am no different to you in wanting what is best for our club as I think all posters on this site do irrespective of they way we all express our opinions.I'm certainly not calling for AVB to be sacked right now but have serious concerns regarding the direction he is taking the team,these concerns are formed from nearly 50 years of playing, coaching and plenty of viewing games,i have yet to see a complete performance since he has taken the reins and each time I think we have found progress he completely changes things ,almost to prove something,one thing I'm certain of when it comes to being competitive at whatever level is consistency,his constant in's and out's of players and positions does my head in and the one thing I can guarantee is that a continuation of this process will bring no success.But I am with you,i will still be there barracking for THE SPURS next week,next month,next year till ........the end.cheers!
sandroman
Watching Spurs yesterday was like watching your house burn down, and then putting your hand in your dressing gown pocket and finding 20p!!
WestStandEnclosure
The only thing we've done convincingly this season is lose. We've not had one convincing victory (please don't use Europa League games as examples as the standard of our opposition has been worse than useless). Even our 4-0 win against Villa was in the Capital One cup which wasn't exactly a priority for them. However in the PL (where it really matters) when it comes to getting beaten we do that with panache and aplomb. 3-0 reverse at home. 6-0 reverse away. 5-0 reverse at home. Those are the important stats my stato loving friends. Read 'em and weep. I bloody well am.
SpuriousLife
Feeling a bit miserable really, but I wasn't confident before the game. To be fair AVB has cobbled together a defence which was not up to coping with Suarez in the form he's in. Liverpool are playing beyond themselves and we are well below par. 0-5 is another nasty shock and I think AVB is on very thin ice, but all is not lost. We're looking good in the EL and we're definitely not relegation material. We just have to write off this PL season and wait to see if and how AVB turns it round. IMHO he needs to play a regular first 11 for each competition and let them bed in properly. COYS chin up and fight on.
SPUDMAN
Levy will not give him another penny to spend in january, it will only be a fire sale by AvB to raise some funds. That alone will say he's a dead man walking if he actually survives today!!
WestStandEnclosure
SPUDMAN it was not the defence that was the main problem it was the toothless midfield, lets face it the only tackle Paulinho made was the one which got him sent off!!
WestStandEnclosure
sandroman ... I do share your concerns, mate! LT ... As said, my loyalty stretches to everyone who is part of the club, while they are part of the club. What was the remark from AVB about, LT?
Geofspurs
Yesterdays pitiful display was brought about by a combination of a lack of defensive options, poor negative tactics, and apathetic displays from several players. When our midfield gets completely dominated by the trio of Joe Allen, Lucas, and and Jordan Henderson then that simply isn't acceptable. These are average/good players that we made to look like world-beaters. Consistently playing 6 defensive players, at home, regardless of the quality of the opposition is cowardly on the part of our manager. And more than that, it has been proved to be unsuccessful long before yesterdays debacle. I am now sick to the very back teeth of hearing that 'AVB can see what our problems are just like we can'. Well no, obviously he can't. A: because he has had more than ample time to fix them. And B: because he will never admit that the biggest problem we have is staring right at him whenever he looks in a mirror. I am sick of depressing results and even more depressing perfomances, and I want my Tottenham back. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Geoff - in his press conference he was asked if he was happy with his squad and that was how he prefaced a bland response.
Love totty
LT ... thanks for that. Yes, a bit weird!
Geofspurs
After the City debacle I said that AVB wouldn't be sacked and that he was obviously learning on the job and he is the only one who can show that he has learned by improving team performances. Rogers joined Liverpool at the same time as AVB joined us. Yesterday showed the huge difference in achievement between an experienced talented manager and a relative novice. Liverpool were simply brilliantly organised and played a game plan to perfection. We on the other hand were a disorganised rabble. The gelling argument can no longer be an excuse for our performance which had no tempo, no passion and made us look like amateurs. I will be very surprised if Levy sacks him and so I guess we are just left with another wasted season, a few scraped wins against the really poor teams and some more thrashings against the real big teams unless AVB can really turn things around. Nothing that has happened since he arrived gives me any cause for optimism. If nothing changes I think the better players will be off in the summer (as usual). What really hurts is that we are once again laughing stocks. We need no more excuses from AVB just results.
Harry-Kari
Sandroman agree, we were 2nd best to everything and it was a shocker to watch. But with injuries in key areas hinders tactics. AVB could have played Capoue with Sandro in Midfield. It could have made a difference but we will never know. LT I will always support the club I love. I think we all want what is best for our club. Whatever the club decides in terms of management and where to go forward I'll back to the hilt. I missed that comment from AVB..very odd :( COYS! COYS!
James1
Andre has been sacked
spurfect one
Now that Villa Boas has gone serious questions need to be asked of wether Mr Levy is the right person to lead our great club. He said he wanted to go in a new direction and Villa Boas was his choice. Success starts from the top and the desire for levy to sell our best players at a premium (wether they want to go or not) will always hinder our managers. Yes Pelebro might seem like a broken record but he has a point. I actually feel for Andre, and if it was not his decision to loan out BAE i feel for him more.
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