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Evolution not Revolution

I think we spend a lot of time thinking about what manager we want as fans but rarely look at what would attract a manager to our beloved club.

To be honest, any new manager coming to Spurs will need to be thick skinned. They will see a set of frustrated fans that can turn on you very quickly and will know that they are expected to hit the ground running. They will also see a club that is of solid financial footing but not exactly able to compete with other clubs at the top of the table on things like salaries. They will know that the chairman is willing to spend money but runs at break even. Finally, they will also see a vision of the club based on a new stadium and a worldwide brand that is growing. Putting all that to one side though, the single biggest thing that I think will bring a new manager to Spurs will be the quality and versatility of our squad. Here's what I think our prospective managers are seeing:

Defence: What manager in world football wouldn't want Hugo Lloris? Perhaps we also need someone to compete with him for the shirt but that's a great starting point. Ahead of him they would see a player in Walker that can get better and better and a super player in Vertonghen to lead the side. Like us, they would be concerned about Kaboul's fitness record and probably not know enough yet about Chiriches. They'd also probably have the outside in view of Dawson like AVB did when he first joined and not be ready to build the side around him as a player and captain. Finally, left back is all about potential at the moment with Rose but they do have the option to recall Ekotto in the short term. Generally, they'd know there's some work to do on the defence but there is huge potential there and some of the major cogs are in place.

Midfield: Ahead of that back four, they would know that in Paulinho, Sandro, Dembele and Capoue they have enough steel in the squad to build a solid spine of the side. They would also see a list of talented footballers in Lennon, Townsend, Eriksen, Chadli, Lamela, Siggy, Holtby that they can work with. Competition for places is there and most importantly the versatility to play almost any tactics and formation for any match would strike a chord.

Strikers: This is where the outside in perspective comes into play with a new manager. In Soldado, they'd know that class is permanent and it's about unlocking the goals in him. They would know that Defoe is coming to the end of his career and perhaps would see him as a stop gap. Adebayor though would pose a dilemma. They will know of his reputation but won't know what they can do with him. Overall though, it's a decent starting position but the transfer market will need to be used at some stage in this area.

Overall, a prospective manager would be excited at these 20 players and be totally confident that they can do something with them. No major surgery needed but perhaps ! a couple of additions or replacements in the right places. Quality over quantity. Evolution over revolution. I know that is what would attract me to Spurs right now. What do you think?

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Date:Friday December 20 2013

Time: 8:28AM

Your Comments

Yes, we have the basis of a good squad. Maybe it is the mentality. If only we got someone who could get past that pyschological barrier and turn us into winners.
vicspur
Very tricky. If we were talking purely in terms of squad composition then I doubt we would struggle to attract anyone we set our sights on. There are other factors to weigh up though. Chief amongst them being the fact that we are home to the most competitive league in world football, and Champions League football is not even probable let alone likely. And certainly not at this mid-season moment. Also, there is the growing feeling that the top job at Spurs is something of a poisoned chalice. These things pose a real dilemna both for us as prospective employers, and also for anyone approached and considering the opportunity. In all likelihood there aren't going to be floods of cash available in January. Meaning little or no wiggle room for anyone wanting to make their own mark on the team/squad. And for the board, there is the unenviable task of deciding between a 'safe' established manager to steady the ship and provide some (much-needed) stability, or go for another 'up-and-comer' with the aim of starting out on another long-term vision with longevity in mind. Bearing all this in mind, I have absolutely no clue as to who we will approach much less be successful in appointing. And whilst I would hate to see a rushed job, I do hope it's sooner rather than later. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
In a way we have had the revolution already, now we just need them to evolve. We cannot have another revolution with 4 or 5 outs and ins, we have the squad now and we need to find the right manager and system to suit not only them but the club and fans too. A new striker and leftback will suit us fine, we are a midfielder over maybe and could do with a younger back-up in goal but I feel that this squad can grow together for the next 3 or 4 seasons at least. Replacements will be needed as people like Defoe, Kaboul, Dawson and Friedel leave but we have a great core of 16 or 17 that could well be playing together for the next 5 seasons. Would love to see DeBoer come in to shape this lot into a great unit, failing that Hoddle as a stopgap till the sumer when other more suitables will be available. A dream sqaud for any manager, he might not relish working under Levy and Baldini though.
sukhothai
So, it's back to square one. We do have a great squad and I'm sure there's someone out there that would relish working with a lot of our players. But every man has their own idea of how to play and who suits their style. It will be a difficult task to get it right at this point in the season and I don't think we should be rushing to buy in yet more players. Mangers are expected to get it right within a season and therefore it's impossible to evolve a clubs football philosophy without sufficient time. It's all about instant success and quick fix measures. I live in hope…...
MAN ON!
Agree with all you say Muttley,i think the problem we have now is convincing any prospective top level manager that he's not going to be just the next in a long line of managers to be hung out to dry when things go a bit pear shaped.Rodgers comments are pretty damning,and any prospective applicant is going to take comments such as those onboard.Personally think the issue runs deeper than just the players/manager not performing.
sandroman
I agree with all of this article, muttley, but the other thing a new manager would see is; a well used managerial revolving door, a chairman (and board?) that lacks any patience and whose support of previous managers is dubious, and supporters who also lack patience and demand instant success ... this is the part that makes the job a lot less attractive! Whoever the new manager is, I would advise him to have every expectation of both himself and the club spelled out clearly in his contract.
Geofspurs
Brendan Rodgers was the coach I wanted to replace TOP 4 Harry when it became clear to me Levy was preparing his ENIC dagger. This morning I read an article in the Independent that confirms that Levy did in fact attempt to sign Rodgers before AVB, only to be turned down by Rodgers. Please read... 'Brendan Rodgers, the Liverpool manager, has described Tottenham Hotspur's attempt to hire him as manager last year as a "close shave" and declared, while dismissing the notion of considering another job offer from White Hart Lane, that the north London club's frequent sacking of managers put him off any idea of working for them.' "One of the things I looked at was the history," Rodgers said of Spurs' approach yesterday. "They'd had 11 managers in 18 years there so for someone like myself, I needed to create something, I needed to go to a club that was going to give us that opportunity..." And there you have it, that was not 'Pelebore' (as the last few ENIC apologists call me) talking. That was Brendan Rodgers the Premierships BEST young coach talking about the reasons why he could not come and build something at OUR CLUB. Because he knew it would be IMPOSSIBLE to create something long term whilst Lewis and Levy are RUINING OUR CLUB! ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
The squad is there to take us places but Levy's record of 9 managers is not good at all and this could put off certain managers such as Rodgers if the reports are to be believed. That is what is hard for us fans, we have a very good squad that could go places but we always hit a brick wall, so frustrating.
Kong
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/brendan-rodgers-says-missing-out-on-spurs-job-was-a-close-shave-9016795.html
Pele10
Excuse the re-posts. Much more relevant on this article!
Pele10
muttley...I agree that the players are most probably a good good prospect for an incoming manager. Plenty of Internationals and with a few additions or loan returns we should be a team to be reckoned with. Question, as already stated by Brendan Rodgers in the Telegraph today.....Are the board, or even, have the board turned the Tottenham managers role into a poisoned chalice?. Rodgers suggests that it was a role best swerved when we were linked after Harry's exit. Does Levy have too much input with the football side of the club as opposed to concentrating on the business model?. 11 managers in 18 years ( not all with Levy at the helm) suggests that something is fundamentally wrong. Yes Chelsea swap managers like women do handbags, but with a mega rich owner willing to back the club, any new manager is usually afforded cash injections to shape the team to his liking. We have sold a lot of our best players and at times re-invested in talent, but at times we have only been a signing or two away from really being considered a true threat. Slowly i feel we are turning the club into a proposition that whist is appealing is fraught with elements of lack of longevity for the role of the manager. He may see the talented squad, we have one. How long for?, who's the next one or two top talents to be sold?. How long will the next new manager be given to work with the talent?. All things to be considered when thinking of taking the reins at our great club. If these thoughts are already in the back of the incoming managers mind, could it not be argued that pressure will mount from the opening game onwards?, if this is the case, surely yet again this will filter down to the team and performances on the pitch. Mistakes are acceptable at times, they should however be used as learning aides, we appear to have learnt very little managerial appointment wise over the past decade or so. Why is this?,wrong appointments or have all and sundry found Levy difficult to work with. I'll leave that last poser with you guy's but for me, i'd now really like to see somebody come in and build a legacy, remaining as manager for a good number of years. If the right appointment is made, this should not be considered an unrealistic request.
Cider spurs
Thing about football today is as everybody says it is all about today,for every club in the p/l.Doesn't matter what a manager achieved last season or two,go on a poor run and your days are numbered.Manacini won a league trophy,De matteo won a champions league,the 2 biggest trophies in football yet both gone inside 12 mths,for whatever reason.The days of managers like Fergie/Wenger are gone,what will become more important is having a strong reasonably settled squad and then having a manager that can come in and work within the perameters of the players on hand.There are already teams that work loosely on that model.
sandroman
Morning all, was speaking about this last night in the battle cruiser. The next manager has a very talented squad at his disposal. A mixture of players who have been around the PL for a few seasons and a few very promising players who just need a hand adapting. They also know that DL is reportedly hard to deal with so but any manager of experience or clout will be able to deal with that. The problem with our last few managers has been DL has always seemed to be doing them a favour. Ramos being the exception as he left a very promising Seville side. I can’t stress enough the importance of a strong experienced manager, all the talk of De Boer, Hoddle, Laudrup scares the hell out of me TBH

Has anyone heard anything about a possible response to the THST? If THFC haven’t released a statement by the end of today it really does show that they don’t give a flying phuck about the fans. 100% serious if they don’t respond there needs to be a full on…FULL ON…..protest and boycott of the next home game after Christmas. It won’t help the players, it won’t help the team, it won’t help the spirit but sometimes drastic measures have to be taken. I have absolutely no faith that we will get any sort of satisfactory response.
hudderspur
@pele10. Whilst it is easy to say that and that Levy is solely at fault. I feel that is untrue - Levy had the intention to allow AVB to build a dynasty to give him time and allow him to do his things. Harry Redknapp was always going to be a stop-gap because of the situation we were in when he arrived - desperation. Ramos before him was a man Levy felt could build a dynasty. But if you want to critisize Levy - then you are 5 years to late. the Jol sacking to be replaced by Ramos was the - IMO - only mistake Levy made. A sacking for no real reason. The Ramos sacking was inevitable. After footballing results. The Harry sacking was due to his flirtation with the England job / rejecting a contract from spurs / and the re-requesting it once the England job didnt happen. The AVB sacking - as if you read my post in "a Robust model" was not down to footballing reasons. We saw the manager alienate (1) The assistant manager (01092013) form dropped afterwards. (2) alienate the clubs top earner (despite goals being at a premium). (3) alienate the 2nd longest serving player (despite weakness in the LB position). (4) alienate the record signing (despite goals being at a premium). - ALL FOR PERSONAL REASONS AND NOT FOOTBALLING REASONS -(5) fighting with journalists, ex-owners, and a hairstylist that sang "you'll be sacked in the morning". (6) criticize the paying customer. (7) Indicate that the unprecedented summer spree was not what he wanted. Tell me - should we have given this man having a complete meltdown and making absolutely everything out to be a personal attack more time?
mellowchaos
Hudderspur this why I believe AVB walked,Called Levy's bluff and left Levy with his pants down.In past Levy has always had a plan in place,doesn't appear so this time.So what does Levy do, come out making a statement that he got caught out,can't see that happening,so he's stuck between a brick and a hard place,no sympathy from me tho.This happening the way it has might actually have pished his bosses off.Will be interesting to see if he does make a statement and content.
sandroman
All we need is a lb striker and replace Dawson, outside of that the team is set and just need someone to line them up to play. We might not have bale modric or vdv but we do have eriksen lamela vertongan llores and soldado. We are in a great position just need someone to make them work together.
Budgie_10
Levy will need to install a talented coach for the long term imo, with or without a DOF (he seems keen on sticking with one, I had my doubts before but am willing to stick with the idea for now at least). We attempted this with AVB, the same type of articles followed as this one but it didn’t work out for him/them. We still want a top coach we can win us things here and in place, that much hasn’t changed. Levy and co wanted quicker results and a better style of play with AVB so gave him the chop, even though many of us knew that time was key. Will it be the same with the new guy that comes in? Probably, so he best hope things work out better and sooner for him and the team (my support will still be the same regardless). From a fans point of view I just want a manager in sooner rather than later, no need to ***** around for too long because the season is still alive. So pull the finger out Levy and bring someone in even better than before. ;-) COYS.
SpursOne2
sandroman, yes it is true that clubs like Chelsea and Madrid operate on a high turnover of coaches. It can work, but for it to work the Chairman and the owner must have a very good understanding of the game of football and they must invest in a sufficient manner to bring on the field success. Sadly at Spurs this concept (which can work) is impossible! Why? Because the man choosing and hiring the coaches and purchasing the players (Daniel Levy) is not qualified for this job. He buys many players in the hope that a few will succeed (a percentage game) and when the few succeed and become stars he cashes in on them to buy more players... The second reason this revolving coach concept has failed at Spurs, is because 4.5 billion quids worth of THFC board members are not prepared to invest even a tiny percentage of their vast fortune on the team. No investment in the team (a zero net spend) and an incompetent, arrogant control freak chairman equals exactly what we have at Spurs right now. An empty trophy cabinet, no CL football and a stadium waiting to be built, once 4.5 billion quids worth of board members wait to find someone else to pay for it, or for someone to come up with the right offer to buy the project. For Daniel Levy is has been a revolving door of coaches, and for Joe Lewis it has been a revolving door of football clubs... Rangers, Slavia Prague, AEK Athens, Vicenza Calcio, FC Basel and Tottenham Hotspur... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
Sandroman – 100% Levy was caught with this pants down. I do not believe for a second all the talk of Levy lining up a new manager since before the city game. In all Honesty, we don’t know for sure if Levy suggested that AVB leave or if AVB suggested it, but either way its left us in a pickle. I don’t like Levy, but I appreciate what he / ENIC has done for THFC. Harry Redknapp and AVB have effectively sacked themselves. Harry was offered a new contract, refused it, bleated on about the England game and then was sacked. AVB refused to listen to any other opinion and acknowledge fault. Imagine if a salesman hadn’t made a sale in 6 months, then when questioned by his boss refused to do anything about it!!! BUT, there needs to be an in depth statement from THFC, even it just says that managers are being interviewed or even if they say they are still searching for the right candidate. Just let us know WTF is going on.
hudderspur
SpursOne2,installing one and keeping one doesn't appear to be part of Enics DNA.Agree with all other sentiments.
sandroman
Money talks, we have a talented squad are still in El with a mega stadium on the way. Don't think the turn over of recent managers will affect this. The club is very attractive and we will have a decent pick of the best managers imo. Do us proud Levy. COYS.
SpursOne2
sandroman - Spurs DNA is stronger
SpursOne2
I suppose, given all the pros and cons in the managerial situation at Spurs, the bottom line is, whoever comes in will leave with a shedload more money than when they started ... even if they do fall victim to the revolving door, they are guaranteed personal financial success, if not career success ... so, in some ways it is a win/win situation and well worth the risks!
Geofspurs
Hudderspur,personally think AVB was given ultimatums with the expectation that he would fall into line,but decided to walk not what Levy expected so hence present situation.Levy has always had a plan previously.If he did sack AVB without suitable fallback plan then he has serious questions to answer.
sandroman
SpursOne2,perhaps we can get some of that DNA into the players.
sandroman
Geofspurs, True, whatever coach comes in next will make a least a few mil out of THFC. But the point is that the likes of Brendan Rodgers, who want to join a club with big ambitions to win things will not come to a club like Tottenham anymore. Any coach with half a brain who wants to win silverware won't come near the place, for the very reasons Rodgers has pointed out. Levy will now only be able to attract the Journeymen style coaches, after his appalling track record of hiring and firing, the kind of coaches who are only after making a quick buck out of THFC. Very sad but true... ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
Five years with two managers makes a small mockery of the '11 in 18' argument. A clear improvement in any case - Redknapp sacked for being unprofessional - flirt if you like but stop doing your job you're out. I fully support that. He could've still been here if he weren't such a ****. Anyway, if we can stretch the budget for a player like Bale, why not try the same for a manager? Surely a very important ingredient of the club? Maybe it's not just a question of 'are we attractive?', but could/should we twist an arm a little? Managers, like players, can be 'attracted' without, say, Champions League. Is it worth a bit extra to get Mancini, Jupp, Jupp or Jupp? Keep wages similar but with signing on fees and bonuses making it potentially top dollar. We need a top-dog to reduce the risk factor. And we'll have to pay to attract one, because we're a slight outside bet for our targets.
jerkinmahjurgen
Pele10 ... it's certainly looking that way. Money is probably the most significant carrot the way things stand ... job security is not a factor, nor is a long-term career goal! Talking about goals ..... ;-)
Geofspurs
sandroman - I hear you fella! But would change that to More of the players. COYS.
SpursOne2
We're not too badly off players wise, plus we could have the new boy installed for a portion of the transfer window which might address CB,LB and GK, Ade showed on wednesday tha the is a player who can compete and compliment our squad so striker problems evapourated with AVB leaving. The squad is set-up and just needs fettling. A coach / manager who can set-up the team to both attack and defend and not sacrifice one for the other. I don't think the fans were to blame for AVB's dismissal, He never endeared himself to the media and ultimately they hounded him out of his post. So a very important component in our new manager is an ability to communicate with the media in a way that keeps them on side but without actually telling them anything. A media savy person is vital to fulfil any premiership management role.
Slurms McKenzie
Brendan Rogers would've jumped at the chance to swap Swansea for Spurs. Timimg issues and he's ended up at a Liverpool where things are going well at the moment and chuck a bit of hindsight in there and, yeah, he can blah, blah, blah like he had it all covered. He's struggled with the fans all last season. He's done nothing yet. Won nothing. Even AVB sent us on our longest Premier League run, and filled the holes at the back. Take Suares out and see how great and smug the wonderful Brendan is then.
jerkinmahjurgen
Suarez was out for the first 6 or 7 PL matches…….
MAN ON!
I don't take too much notice of soundbites. Managers have an unwritten code of supporting each other. 'He was doing a great job/not given time', etc. Just because the standard makes sense. Likewise, they hit out at the club, as we're now hearing, simply because it adds to the pressure and can lay doubts and fears. Strength is a must.
jerkinmahjurgen
Pele10 - You say high manager turnover, but the starts to Jol & Ramos' final seasons were so bad that it left Levy not much choice. Redknapp was a conundrum, and was clearly hired to rescue us. He did that and more. But ultimately it got to the point that he could not work with him any more. In terms of hiring, Redknapp did the job and more. Ramos won a trophy. Jol was promoted from within and progressed us to a 5th place chasing team. That leaves AVB, who was not inspiring confidence, and is the only one of recent times that you can say was a bad choice (and I guess Santini). I think the problem is NOT the manager. The problem is that in each of the sackings - barring Redknapp, there was an influx of players (many from overseas) - usually via a DoF. Jol, Ramos AND AVB struggled to juggle so many new faces. Which returns us to the "evolution not revolution" theme of the article. If you get a record points total, then there ain't much wrong. You make one or two choice signings in key areas. YES you replace Bale in some way too. But as good as Eriksen and co appear to be. Fitting so many together to make "a system" is near impossible. Despite the manager turnover, we have been doing quite well. Just don't get another AVB....
TonyRich
Just for the record, please do not read my last post and think that in any way i am not able to realise what ENIC has brought to the table. We have been pulled up the league from mid table obscurity to regular top 6 finishers, even 4th a couple of times. The next level will not happen on a constant basis until we either increase revenue from the stadium, and or we as a club are sold on to a owner who is willing to plough millions of his wealth into the club. We have to be happy with what we are and from whence we came IMO. Ambition to improve is great, but denial of the fact that we have improved is a blatant attempt to ignore all that has happened since the ENIC era began. My sole concern is not about ENIC, it is more about the working relationships with managers that Daniel Levy all too often struggles with and vice versa. Fundamentally something is amiss. We can spout on about the lack of stadium build, player sales, even the weather if you like, for one, a new stadium in London is never a easy challenge, so many elements to be factored in. Planning, purchasing land and properties etc,. Whilst the vast amounts of groundwork for the new stadium have been building momentum over the years, Tottenham Hotspur has actually become a club to be a good option for players to join. No more Sky 4, we are part of a 6, earnt by footballing ability, which has to come down to player signings and sales along with the coaching. To consistantly reach the top table, will IMO, require finances into the club to be upped. Salaries and cost of players will need to be upped. This is then when you really can start to challenge, it allows for most managers to look on with envy at the thought of £200 million sat on a bench (citeh). Are we at that level yet?, NO!, does part of me think that Levy thinks we should be at that level now?, YES!. Why else keep firing managers?, where does he really think we as a club should be?. I say naive if you look at those around us and the financial clout they have in comparison. Could this be the root of the problem?, feelings of grandeur, when really we are and have been punching above our weight for a while.
Cider spurs
The irony is that Suarez being banned has made Liverpool stronger and Suarez an even better player.
MAN ON!
I agree that B Rogers comments on his spurs management decline is a damming assessment. True but.. it is the expectation of high level performance that handicaps managers we have had, which none have done the job.... BMJ did a bit..Harry did perform well and that, Sadly meant AVB had big achievements to emulate. He could have done it, but it seems he and Levy / Baldini and other staff had personal / other problems... Losing Bale was the deciding factor for the team.. his own personality another..So Levy did what he had to do...now we are in limbo.. unless sherwood can do it.. but we need an experienced Premier League manager.. or at least a Europen leagues winner / CL finalist. Germany is similar to PL.. so J Klop is good..
Block D Spurs
If Rodgers took one look abd said screw Spurs because of the amount of managers they have gone through over the last ten years, than I can't see ANY top flight manager wanting to come here. They would either have to be totally barking mad, just after the money when they get the push, or deluded. Until we stop this insanity of sacking a manager roughly every three year on average we will just get a succession of no hoper second string managers, one of which we may just hit lucky for a while until a club with real footballing ambition comes in and has him off us, just like our best players leaving for clubs with real footballing ambition. So good luck whoever you are because you are going to need it in lorry loads. I will support you and back you until they get rid of you, or you go to a "big" club that wants to do things apart from make money, like win the CL and the Prem.
chrishove123
Sorry it's not even three a year is it over 18 years it works out at just over 1 1/2 per year. Now THAT is scary. How are we supposed to become a top four team with CL aspirations if we can't keep a manager for two full years even.
chrishove123
Rodgers has filled me with pessimism for the future of Spurs as a top four team. As I said when AVB got sacked, back to mid table obscurity with the occasional decent cup run. Now THAT is the Spurs way and has been for decades. Is that wjhat you lot who say AVB didn't play the Spurs way, because when you look at it in the cold hard light of day without the rosy specs and the rest, that is all we are really, a mid table team that hits on cups and occasionally yaps at the heels of the big boys trying to snatch a bit of flapping trouser leg to show how big and brave they are. Until this bull$1t with managers coming and going all the time we will get nowhere. I am starting to agree with Pelewhateverheisnow about ENIC and Levy.
chrishove123
Sorry I don't know, it must have been the wine last night. 11 into 18 is just over half a manager a year. not one and a half. Oh well third time lucky
chrishove123
Looks like Malky Mackay is on the verge of being booted by Cardiff's even more insane owner than ours! I wouldn't mind him walking out there and coming to the Lane. He's a young manager, has experience in the English game, and has had success too -- League Cup final and promotion.

I know he's not a "name" but he's a talented manager and far better than having us in limbo with Sherwood for the rest of the season. Give him a shot short term and see what happens. COYS
SpursEagle
Chrishove - Sadly, the fact is that any manager that has been brought in as well as whoever is next, has been/will be given the remit of CL qualification. And presumably, that remit was accepted by AVB and will also presumably be accepted by his successor. Albeit probably writing the current season off. That in itself poses probelms. Because it takes a very good manager to make that kind of leap, especially immediately. And any manager of that calibre will already be employed by either a regular CL club, a highly rated national team, or a club with the same aspirations as us that maybe doesn't carry the baggage of such a notoriously trigger-happy chairman as Levy. Laudrup or Pochettino would, I feel, be massively reluctant to take a punt on us so early in their managerial careers. And it could be argued that in Southampton, Pochettino is at the helm of a more stable club which is very much on the rise and looking at European football in their own right. I think on balance, we have to be looking at a van Gaal or a Rijkaard or someone of similar stature and experience. The only 'gamble' I favour is de Boer. More than anything because I loved him as a player, and because we might start to see the real Eriksen and also a more settled Verts due to their Ajax links. Come on you beautiful Spurs!!!
LilyWhiteHart
Good point Man On. Man U was their only big game in that time, though. They've done well this season, granted, and even better to keep it going. But like I said, AVB went unbeaten for 3 months or so. So Liverpool have had a run, 3, 4 months where it's all been good. From the seasons start looks even better. Time will tell just how good he is. Would we be hearing this if Liverpool were 8th, like they were most of last season? He'd have walked here from Wales. It's just shullbit to add pressure. That's my point.
jerkinmahjurgen
Liverpool so much better. In the time we've had 'Arry and AVB, they've had Rogers, Hodgeson, Dalgleish... Split them hairs down.
jerkinmahjurgen
Taking my cue from Cider spurs, I'll say, quite simply, that it's because of our improvements under ENIC that our expectations for THFC have grown……. Hiring and firing is now part of modern football culture. We are not the only club that does it and, there are few exceptions. It's a sad state of affairs for the beautiful game, but unfortunately there's no turning back. It would need a major revolution and overhaul from the very top powers that be. Oh well…. Que sera.
MAN ON!
TonyRich, "Doing quite well" you continue to tell us, whilst the trophy cabinet stays empty, whilst we are not competing in the CL like the Arsenal season after season, or winning trophy after trophy like Chelsea... "Quite well" without a new stadium, or a head coach, or a kit contract with Nike or Adidas. "Quite well" with an owner who never even watches his own team play at his own tiny stadium whilst 30,000 loyal Spurs fans wait for seating... "Quite well" with a chairman who has become the laughing stock of the Premiership... "Quite well" with the worst trophy per season percentage of any THFC owners in over half a century. Even Sugar has a better trophy per season percentage than loser Levy. "Quite well" at selling all our star players... "Quite well" with the huge RED AIA (Arsenal Is Arsenal) logo on Danny boys pathetic Cup kits that are out poor players will have to wear at the Emirates in a few days time.... "QUITE WELL" ENIC OUT!!!
Pele10
jerkinmahjurgen, Rogers would not be my choice. As you have pointed out he's not won anything as yet anyway. Liverpool are looking bloody good though!
MAN ON!
MAN ON! Liverpool will not be firing Brendan Rodgers, nor have Arsenal fired Wenger, Nor did United fire the most successful British coach of all time Fergie! Brendan Rodger will succeed at Liverpool, because he has the respect and backing of the owner. Daniel Levy and Joe Lewis don't even understand the meaning of the words 'backing' or 'respect'...
Pele10
Pele10 -- I bought some Under Armor running gear and it's great. It's also the fastest growing sports wear company in the world. And if you look up the history of our kit, red has featured quite a lot in the past. You really are scraping the barrell with a lot of your gripes.

I do agree with you that Levy should stick to the financial side of things and stay out of the football side.
SpursEagle
Well at least we don't have to worry about getting another Left-back in. Harry has confirmed that we DO have recall clauses for BOTH of our boys there. Would be madness not to get him back. Jan the first would do nicely too.
sukhothai
Pele10, I accept that you are an ardent enemy of ENIC and of course, that's your prerogative. But on a minor point, that you also repeat over and again, what is your obsession with Adidas and Nike all about? You promote two of the biggest rip-off companies in world commerce and yet you despise ENIC/Joe Lewis for their greed and business exploits. I really don't get it.
MAN ON!
Pele10, I can't disagree about Fergie and Wenger, of course not. I am firmly against the hiring and firing culture. I was just pointing out that it's usual practise for most clubs these days. However, I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes at THFC.
MAN ON!
hmmm Levy can't seem to work with anyone (Jol, ramos, Arry, AVB, Commolli etc)...i wonder where the problem lies? If a man has to keep firing his employees perhaps he should stop doing the recruiting himself!
shedboy2
shedboy2, That is possibly true….
MAN ON!
Must admit, I thought Ekotto was struggling with form and fitness last season but it now looks like he's strung together a load of games for QPR. Perhaps the old Ekotto is coming back because the one we saw last season wasn't up to much at all. We should probably remember that he's not named in the squad at this point so we couldn't used him until January anyway.
muttley
As it now appears clear that the timing (more than the decision) to part company with AVB was of AVB's making, the situation has finally managed to catch Levy out. For someone who has always been used to calling all of the shots it seems that AVB has managed to drop him in it during the traditionally very busy and difficult Christmas football period. Not good for us but perhaps the poke in the eye that Levy needs and most certainly deserves. His reputation is preceding him and it will now make it very difficult for us to find the right manager mid-season. Perhaps this is the kick up the backside Joe Lewis needs to see that perhaps Levy is not the right man to look after hiring and firing managers. We live in hope!
SpuriousLife
We need a proper interim Manager in now....someone with gravitas till the end of the season...we can not make do with Sherwood... completely out of his depth and who seems to be a place man....I've heard whispers of how 'loyal' he is....I think the comments from his colleagues (inc Roy hodgson) during his time at Blackburn are damning, cast doubt on his integrity and trustworthiness....why is he even still here? I'd sooner we had alex inglethorpe and graham carr back, get rid of Arry's jobs for the boys team....we want our Tottenham back!
shedboy2
Get Frank De Boer in as soon as possible and get on with it.
MrSpurs
To be honest, I'm not sure why there is an expectation that any manager should propel us into the top four. We are not a top four team yet. City, Arsenal, Pool, Chelsea, are all in front of us by a good margin, and United, Everton, Newcastle (maybe) seem fairly level with us. We don't have a divine right to be in the top four and, just because it's what we all want, does not change the reality. And that reality is that we have a good squad with a lot of potential, but it's potential that has not yet been realised. That will take a bit of time and a lot of work. We need a manager able to sort it out, and one that is given the time required to do it. Any manager coming in now will have to look at the players and find the working combinations to suit the way he wants to play. Does anyone think this will happen in 4 or 5 weeks. It will take until the end of this season at least. I think the priority now should be consolidation and the Europa League. IMO
Geofspurs
MAN ON!- it's clear Levy can't recruit properly or can't manage properly- possibly both!
shedboy2
It's also worth looking at things from Levy's perspective. He's not the billionaire but just a business man who happens to be a Spurs fan. He gave Harry 4 years and it didn't work out. He made the decision that we all wanted him to make, perhaps just not soon enough for some of us. He didn't make this weeks decision lightly about AVB. I personally think the Ramos experience contributed to the decision as he would have felt he left it too late last time around. In no way he wanted to get rid of AVB. All he wanted was him to bring the good times to WHL and would have been sad that he felt he needed to make yet another change. He couldn't have possibly known that AVB's football philosophy would have worked out the way it did. The majority of us didn't. It is important though that this time Levy makes the right decision. He at least has Baldini around him who can balance the conversation and add another perspective.
muttley
Say what you like about old school managers like Big Sam but didn't he just show what it's like to have a guy in charge who knows how to manage the game in progress. contrast that to the clueless AVB and the naiviety perhaps of Sherwood. Between them Levy, Baldini and AVB assembled a great squad with terrific potential. AVB's approach to away games bar the City match was fine but his home set up and in game influence was tripe. We've got Baldini to scout the talent so let's have a seasoned pro coaching. Why is nobody suggesting Pardew?
Love totty
Who is going to trust Levy now when he talks to potential managers about his grand vision and project? Who is going to want to work for him?...the only reason will be money and a chance to progress onto a club that respects it's managers...no new Wenger or Fergie for us....
shedboy2
sukhot ... well, in that case, let's get Benny back (LB sorted) and play Ade up front with Soldado (strikers and goals sorted)! There you are. Who needs a manager? No need to thank me guys!
Geofspurs
There will be a reluctance on the part of some top coaches to come to Spurs, why should they, what have we got to offer. We are not, or even close to being in the CL, we have proved historically that managers have very tenuous security of employment, irrespective of whether they succeed or not (see Jol, Redknapp), they won't get full control of football matters, due to an interfering football ignorant chairman (a bean counter), and even allegedly now, interference from some geriatric tax evader from his yacht in the Bahamas. Rather than continually sticking pins in a "whos who" of top managers/coaches list, approaching them, or promoting rumours of interest in them, only to be knocked back, we should formally advertise the job, to see who is actually interested, in what has become a poison challice, and are prepared to give it a go. The likes of Laudrup and Be Boer have understandably indicated that they prefer to stay where they are at Swansea, and Ajax, to continue their projects with the backing of their chairmen, and in settled work environments, where their knowledge and expertise is respected and they can work without undue interference.
Frank
Love totty, with respect, Big Sam is no tactical genius. West Ham are far worse off than Spurs.
MAN ON!
MAN ON ... I agree with you about Sam but, reading the reports, it sounded like WHU just kept lobbing balls into the box toward the end which worked (often does against us). That was more desperation than well thought out tactics, and cannot be relied on for consistent results.
Geofspurs
I said it before the Rodgers comments, what up and coming coach would choose Spurs to further their career? Forget the established coaches that have won things, no chance, we are also going to struggle with the likes of Laudrup and Martinez. Levy you have failed the club, where do you keep that samurai sword?
ItalianYiddo
It is all very well blaming the fickle nature of the fans, who are no different to any others, they bask in success (rarely), and react to poor performance and results (all too frequent recently). There are several reasons for our turnover of managers that include 1) The control freak, egomaniac behaviour of the chairman, and his continual interference in football matters, 2) unrealistic expectations of managers who had received no proper financial backing i.e. Hoddle, Jol, Redknapp, 3) due to an inate ignorance of football, and what is required, a series of appointments of the wrong people i.e. Santini, Ramos, AVB, none of whom have or will enjoyed any success since leaving, proving their lack of real ability, 4) Levy's penchant for selling every quality player seen at the club during his era, his intention the whole time to buy cheap and sell for top money irrespective of the effect on the team's future performance. This has seen Carrick, Berbatov, Modric, Van Der Vaart, and Bale, leave the club. the Bale deal being his master stroke, after promising it wouldn't happen. There appears now to be some surprise expressed, that managers/coaches are reluctant to martyr themselves at Spurs for the continued amusement and eccentric ego trip of Mr. Levy
Frank
We have simply returned to our default mode before Redknapp, which is the manager goes after a good first season and then they go into a tailspin and have to be sacked for their own benefit to relieve the misery. Only Redknapp could hack it and that was remarkable with Crouch and Defoe up front. We get as much media attention as Manchester United these days and the manager has to deal with that without going barking mad. Results will not get much better until we get new strikers and then Defoe can be waved off to the MLS
cynicspur
Geofspurs, They were quite happy to let us play the ball around and defended strongly. They didn't look to attack us until we scored. They hit us with the lobs and we couldn't cope. They were pumped up and could have made it 3. We looked a beaten team once they scored. We put in numerous crosses and corners but they never found their man. Ades goal was well supplied by Defoe and it was a great finish. But he was also unmarked and really shouldn't miss from that position. It was more about us than anything Big Sam A did.
MAN ON!
IY- I believe they use a shorter sword for hari-Kari...but I've not seen anything in Levy's character to suggest he'll even acknowledge his mistakes let alone fall on his sword...
shedboy2
Spurious, if what transpires is true do you blame AVB?. I am the coach, I decide who to play let me do my job, we are in all competitions and within reach of top 4, I am not prepared to accept any interference on football matters. The idiots on this site are calling him a clueless clown, I see a man with principles that wasn't prepared to take any more crap. So who ended up looking the clueless clown? COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Levy hasn't learned anything....if he had he wouldn't risk leaving Sherwood in charge....a statement would be nice...but clear communication is also not his style...
shedboy2
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10528808/Daniel-Levys-heroics-at-Tottenham-Hotspur-must-be-praised.html
shedboy2
MAN ON ... Cheers ... I saw the goals on TV and have to say that Ade's volley was pretty good for someone who had not had a first team game for so long (it was the sort of goal that gives strikers confidence) ... don't know if he held the ball up well or not though?
Geofspurs
Very interesting the that the supporters trust have demanded a statement of intent for the future, in terms of a management appointment, and a summary of the thinking that led to AVB's dismissal (as if it was not patently obvious), from Mr. Levy. The real virtue in this demand is that it will back Levy into a corner, he has 3 alternative courses of action, 1) He can totally ignore the trust's demands and keep his council, 2) He can openly refuse to comment. These would go a way to enhance the belief that he doesn't give a toss for the supporters, and what they think, or want, or 3) He could come out with a statement full of half truths, or blatant lies, as he is prone to do whenever he opens his mouth. This will only serve to confirm what many of us have known for a long time, that he is a competent bean counter, that should stay a million miles away from all "matters football" that he doesn't understand or appreciate. The process if it does anything, should somewhat weaken his previously unchallenged control of anything and everything at the club, and it may dent his gigantic ego. That in itself would be a positive step.
Frank
Frank ... those choices mean, arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced, no matter what he does!
Geofspurs
Geofspurs, I'm not his biggest fan, but Ade on Wednesday was our stand out player. Every attacking move went through him held the ball up well,was able to take it down and beat his marker and great effort to get on the end of Defoe's cross. Had defoe shown the same level of work ethic we'ed have thrashed the hammers. But lets not single out Defoe, Lennon had a very quite game, Capoue out shown our two central midfielders and Townsend looked ten timesb etter on the left then on the right.
Slurms McKenzie
Frank why do you want a statement from Levy if you're going to dismiss it as lies and half-truths anyway?
Slurms McKenzie
One thing that is inevitable is that the season's results, league position, even possibly league status, and further progress in cup competitions will all be weakened as long as Tim Sherwood is in charge. The difference between youth coaching, and first team management is vast, managers should learn their trade in the championship, leagues 1 & 2 or even the conference, not by being thrown into the deep end to drown in the PL. It is utter madness and totally incredible that we would sack a coach (not that he didn't warrant it), with nobody primed and ready to step in for the sake of continuity. What has happened to the cloak and dagger meetings in Tapas bars in the sunshine, or elsewhere, to prime the next candidate.
Frank
Ade on his day is as good as any, trouble is he chooses the day. Get rid, we need someone we can rely on.
ItalianYiddo
Geofspurs, on the night Ade was by far our best player and he did hold the ball up well and his distribution and work rate was good. Myself and the fans around me were surprised to see him substituted. I just hope that it's a sign of thing to come and not just for one night only.
MAN ON!
Slurms McKenzie, simply because the fact that he is forced out of his cover will weaken his position, and may begin the long arduous process, that may finally force him to walk away due to "fan power", he wouldn't be the first chairman forced to fall on his sword. All the drips may gradually become an irresistible flood flushing him out. Every little helps.
Frank
Has everyone forgotten how bad Ade was last season? The only game he was up for was the Arsenal game and fat lot of good that done from being 2 up and bossing the game ended up losing with one man down.
ItalianYiddo
Incidentally I totally agree with the assessment of our squad contained within the article, all we need now is to find somebody to use it properly to the maximum advantage and to bring an end to the embarasing run of results we have suffered this season.
Frank
slurms ... cheers for that. I can't help thinking that Ade and Soldado is the answer. I don't care about his baggage as long as he can do a job for us. Townsend should have always been on the right (at least we no longer have endless posts on inverted bloody wingers now!). It's fine to swap wings for a while, but that's just to mix the play up if the game needs it. I still think Lennon, on the right with Walker, makes a good attacking balance. ;-)
Geofspurs
Frank in all fairness how is Levy failing so badly that he should walk away? A mis-step with AVB (whom he backed with signings) the appointment of a DOF to remove him fromt he daya to day football matters, Clearly He and ENIC want Champions league footabll because they're investment becomes a more attractive and profitable option for potential buyers. How many clubs could refuse 80 plus million for a player who wanted to leave? The squad that we all had such high hopes for at he start of September is still at the club, the squad was not being utilised to its full potential hence the slump in league position, how is this Levy's fault.
Slurms McKenzie
theirs absolutely no transparency with enic,unlike other owners who make themselves available in fans forums,everyting is shrouded in secrecy with Daniel levy
ghulamville
Evolution not revolution - wise words. Spurs have been on the brink for so long now, evolution is what we've been going through for some years. I think the big spend was an optimistic attempt to push us over the finish line, but it didn't work out. We need stability to evolve. Chopping an changing Managers and Players is not what is needed. After spending 107Million we all expected great things. Hopefully, having been brought back down the earth with a thump, we'll give the incoming manager time to evolve a great team from a good deal of potential not forgetting realistic expectations. We really only need a striker, but I'll be surprised if they spend between managers. That Bale windfall was misspent on growing the squad rather than bringing in that little spark of genius we needed to get over the line. Let's hope one or two of those new signings can fulfil their potential, but getting CL football would have given us the cash to expand the squad. It's a bit like the old chicken and the egg. Any manager coming in is gonna get paid a lot and failure is just as lucrative as success, but without the effort. God knows who is the right man for the job, but I'd like to see a Spurs man, a Spurs Fan. Maybe Hoddle fits the bill. It's soul destroying watching the Club being messed about with and going round in circles.
SPUDMAN
Geofspur that balanced attack was excitingly evident for 70 minutes on Wednesday. And hints that things aren't as bleak as some would hav eus believe!
Slurms McKenzie
and the silence from Levy is deafening....we always hope for another team to blow up...it's always us...
shedboy2
ItalianYiddo, I have definitely not forgotten. However I think we'll see a lot more of Ade in the next few games. Sherwood said he subbed him to prevent any injury due to lack of match fitness. I would have left him on. Looks like he could be in Tims plans. (For now anyway).
MAN ON!
Spudman that little spark of genius was purchased in the summer with the likes of Erisken, Lamela, Soldado and even Chadli, it was then systematically extinguised by the negative tatics and formations! Ade's one off performance hints that we never really needed a striker just a manger to play the ones we had. Soldado and Ade could well be a match made in heaven!
Slurms McKenzie
Now our problem is no CL and probably not for another year or 3 (at best). So what top manager and top players will come to us without it. The reality is we are not CL level, but we could have been with 107Mil spent more wisely.
SPUDMAN
Slurms, I think we're still waiting to see the spark of genius from those players. I hope it comes and soon. Not with you on Ade, but I hope you're right and not just optimistic.
SPUDMAN
Spudman you seem to think we have fallen back from perennial top four finishers to mid table strugglers? when the opposite in fact si true, we have gone from midtable obsecurity to perennial nearly men in the league, with a squad one or two players short of really challenging for Champiosn league this season. We pay handsome wages, have global exposure and as your post shows any manager join us seems to have had the weight of fans expectation removed from them!
Slurms McKenzie
Man On - I'm no lover of Big Sam or his preferred style of football but twice his patched up team of no hopers have turned us over on our patch. He did what was necessary to get the results - that's the experience that we want want coupled with a style we can all buy into. What's wrong with Pardew? Despite the club turmoil and losing his main striker he's twice got Chateau Neaveau playing good football.
Love totty
Spudman, its all on Ade to prove he can play again for this team, I'm not a flag waver for Ade his behaviour over the past eighteen months has been disgraceful at times but now is an oppertunity for him to wipe the slate clean and he shoudl take it with both hands. AVB should have managed that situation better punish him and then move on and utilise all the talent available to him.
Slurms McKenzie
SpursEagle. I think we should go for Malky as well. I've mentioned a bit about him on here as I live just down the road from Cardiff and can see first hand what a brilliant job he has done there with them, especially as he has that megga lunatic Vincent (sam) Tan. Sam Tan is Fireman Sam and V. Tan is extinguishing the flame of Cardiff rapidly, hence my name for him.
chrishove123
All is not lost. It's not looking good but what makes football great and such a talking point for us Spurs fans especially, is the unpredictability of it all. A handful of good results and we're back on track. COYS!
MAN ON!
Positive words from Ade here for the Southampton match. ............. http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/ade-on-saints-test-201213/
chrishove123
Malku Mackey looks to be a real man-manger and able to out fox the big boys int he leageu he's earned his stripes the old fashioned way and plays a decent brand of football. He is as good a shout for manager as Pardew or Hoddle and beats Sherwood on experience. De Boar has performed miracles in a lob sided league and his win percentage is amazing but then Neil Lennon has an even better win percentage with Celtic and I don't see his name being touted by anyone!
Slurms McKenzie
looks like Ade is starting this weekend. If he does I hope he can better his performance against wet spam. He was good, but we need better than good. We need brilliant. Come on Ade step up and show us what you can do, we all know you have it in you so do it.
chrishove123
Frank, if Levy refuses what is a very reasonable request from the Supporters Trust then I'm afraid he should be forced to step down. THFC is not a dictatorship. Yes ENIC are the owners and the club currently lives or dies on their money BUT the club is bigger than just the owners. A football club of the prestige, tradition, proud history and standing of Spurs is more than just a row of beans on a balance sheet. It has a vast number of stakeholders that need to be kept at least informed if not always happy. Who are these stakeholders? Us the fans, the players and the other staff of the club for a start. Without these stakeholders the club doesn't exist. Without the financial backing of owners the club doesn't exist. However, one without the other means the club doesn't exist either. So a reasonable request has been made the body representing a significant majority of the non-owner stakeholders. This request has to be met. Anything less displays a blatant disregard and disrespect for the stakeholders concerned. That can't be allowed to happen if the club is to thrive and survive. I really feel it should be taken as seriously as that. ENIC money keeps us going but fans are the lifeblood of any club. Levy and ENIC would do well to remember that and show a little consideration and respect to a polite request. Anything less and things could and should get ugly.
SpuriousLife
Love totty, Pardew has got newcastle playing good football, so why would he leave them for Spurs? He is one of many PL managers that does just enough and then ultimately falters. I don't want yet another recycled and rehashed PL man who never quite made it. He may have found his way with the Magpies, but he's not for Spurs.
MAN ON!
Chrishove lets give him a chance to get match fit again and hope that he gives his all for the team! the intelligence and movement of Soldado linked with the hold up play of Ade while LEnnona nd Lamela ping crosses inot them should see a far better result against southhampton. Hopefull Siggy won't be our central midfielder.
Slurms McKenzie
spudman, the money wasn't misspent if we are looking at the long term, other than Soldado all young and promising. The expectation was far too high from us fans, the media and obviously Levy. We were winning games, but not deemed in good enough style, we want to be winning and winning in style so pressure is put on the manager to change the style, hands up who didn't agree with the City line up? We get clobbered 6-0 and than style is not important disgraceful defeat. How about giving the manager the power to carry on till the end of the season, get players back from injury and give the new players a bit more time to adjust to the PL and who knows we might finish the season strongly. The alternative? Sack the manager 3 days before a quarter final and 5 days before a difficult away game. We know what happened on Wednesday we can guess what is going to happen on Sunday and carry on guessing for the rest of the reason. cOYS.
ItalianYiddo
Slurms, Chris -- I agree. Rodgers was given the job at Liverpool after managing 151 games. Mackay has already racked up 227 as a boss, and has a slightly better win percentage than both Rodgers and Martinez had before they were given their big chances.

That's not to say he'd definitely be a success, but after seeing a lot of moaning and regret that we didn't get either Rodgers/Martinez, the next one might be there right in front of us in Mr. Mackay. I'd certainly take him over 90% of those named in the poll on here.
SpursEagle
I wouldn't mind malkay for the rest of the season,and if he performs should be in with a shout for the long term,its only a matter of time before he is sacked
ghulamville
lluis suarez signs new contract,£200,000 a week
ghulamville
WELL here's a new name that has tossed his hat into the ring to be our next manager, he is interested in becoming our next manager. Ex Manure assistant boss, Carlos Queiroz. He also says he has had past personal connections with Levy. Currently manages Iran. They are through to the WOrld cup, but that is the calibre of manager we are openly attracting, not really a world shaking name is it, and Cardiff already have someone who is a household name in Britain who is at a club now. If they can sort it out before they get rid, why can't we? ................................................................................. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25456338
chrishove123
What reason, if any, was there given for sacking Mackay?
MAN ON!
Ghulamville, may be a very senisble (and relatively cheap) solution to our current managerial void with limited risk attached. No big spend on players requried LB aside so let him work with the squad we have!
Slurms McKenzie
Man On he raised fans hopes to unacceptable levels by suggesting he would sign three players over the transfer window! Do we really want someone who has such wonton disregard for the hopes of the fans??
Slurms McKenzie
Sorry… He's been asked to resign. Same thing I suppose
MAN ON!
That shows why we have delusions of grandeur when it comes to perennial top four, we can't/won't pay any player £200K a week.
ItalianYiddo
Slurms McKenzie, Jesus! What can a man do right in the PL?
MAN ON!
Nor should we Italian!
Slurms McKenzie
MAN ON! Cardiff's owner is a complete lunatic. Sacked their head scout because he accused him of exceeding the budget, and replaced him with his sons friend, who was there on work experience!! Tan has also been interferring directly with the first team selection, or has been trying to, but Mackay won't budge.

The only thing Mackay did wrong was publicly state he wouldn't mind bringing in a few players in January. After working with that nutter, dealing with Levy would be like working with your favourite uncle.
SpursEagle
Man On thats the joys of having an owner who talks to the press and gives "reasons" for his actions - I really wish we had one of those at Spurs!
Slurms McKenzie
SpursEagle I always get the feeling the lad should be running North Korea!
Slurms McKenzie
ItalianYiddo, I really don't want Spurs to be paying any player 2000K a week. That's crazy. Suarez breaks a leg, and then what? It's the crazy money that's encouraged the "overnight success" bull that is ruining the game.
MAN ON!
I started to read an article from the Japanese Times about Rottingham, but gave up. What's all the news on the Soton manager Pistachio is it, my understanding is the guy can't speak english, should go down a bundle with us then. Arry wrote a letter about the vacant manager's job; Dear Mr Levi's. Can i put my cat in the ring for the vacant gob, please xcuse my smelling, Mr Levi.
spu 4 life
Yeah Slurms, and he'd probably change their name, national colours, maybe he'd appoint Dennis Rodman as his vice dictator ...
SpursEagle
LOL spurseagle
Slurms McKenzie
SpursEagle…. Ha, my favourite uncle is a nutter! ;-)
MAN ON!
Why doesn't that surprise me, MAN ON
SpursEagle
Man on, I am not advocating that we do but at the same time we sell our best players year in year out for that reason (mainly) and than expect success!
ItalianYiddo
ENIC are considering a take over bid from North Korea Supreme leader: Kim Jong-un, everyone is checking they are not related.
spu 4 life
MAN ON! On the subject of Nike and Adidas. Like it or not, these two brand companies are the two major players in world football kit merchandising. Virtually every major football club works with them! Arsenal, Chelsea, United, City, Barca, Madrid, Inter, Milan, Munich etc etc etc, and they do so for a very good reason. Chelsea in the summer secured a 500 million quid kit deal contract extension with Adidas. Enough to pay for the entire new Tottenham stadium. If you want to get into a debate about the morality of the corporate world, how the banking system uses they investors monies to finance illegal wars, or governments who use tax payers to fund the arms industry, Big brother is watching you, slave labour, how the food industry treats animals appallingly before killing them etc etc, I am sure we would be in agreement on many of the injustices of this sad old world. But on the subject of footie, Nike and Adidas are here to stay just like Under Armour. So it is only logical to go with the brand that will bring THFC the biggest global sales, the biggest global exposure and the most cash to get the stadium built and the revenue for the players salaries we need. Levy does not work with Adidas or Nike quite simply because they control the kit realising dates, marketing and distribution. Levy wants to control those things, just like the coaches, DOF's and the players employs. He is a control freak to the detriment of THFC.....
Pele10
Cheers! It does run in the family……….. Sherwood is 50-1 to be the next Cardiff manager. Still there are prices available for everyone that's anyone. Beckham at 250?
MAN ON!
Pele10, okay, I surrender.
MAN ON!
ItalianYiddo, sorry, I misunderstood your post.
MAN ON!
Surely a change or potential change in ownership casues the greatest upheavel to a club? the uncertainty of the role the new owner will play will they invest or just asset stripe or burden the club with the debt of borrowings they used to buy the club? Will he bring in his own manager, players, back room team, will they want to play fanatsy football with their new play thing or structure the club to be self sustaining and invest in infrastructure an dyouth development or go for the instant gratifacation and then do an Anji on it when they get bored?
Slurms McKenzie
It is a huge risk, Slurms McKenzie. A year or so ago Anji had a team of top quality names from around Europe. Now, they can't buy a win.
MAN ON!
Thats the danger MAN ON and the ratio of "Man Citys" to "Portsmouths" is frightening!
Slurms McKenzie
MAN ON! I don't want you to surrender! I want you to help us get our Tottenham Back... ;-)
Pele10
I got a touch of the AVB's for a minute, Pele10…… I will never surrender to any man.
MAN ON!
A pity Levy couldn't take a page from Cortese book or even better bring Cortese to WHL to show Levy how to manage.................... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25420261
Big Ron
Sherwood just said that he wants the job full time and won't accept working under a new manager. (heard it on talksport)
logos8
Sounds like Sherwood is softening the blow.
MAN ON!
Pelebro/Pele10 in the past I have criticised you and the reason for this was generally your constant and consistant argument regarding ENIC and Levy. You have often voiced this opinion on many threads that are irrelevant to the topic, this is my justification for the criticism I gave to you.
Since Monday this week you have every right to appear on the majority of articles and your opinion on ENIC/Levy is now fully backed by myself. I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize if I have every insulted you but now I'm 100% behind you. What Levy has done this week is a disgrace to our club, our best chance of silverware has been ruined by his actions and now it is time for him to be accountable for his actions. As a minimum, Levy needs to be removed from his post and better still ENIC sell up and someone comes in with a bit more focus and interest on what goes on, on the pitch!!
yiddyboy
We have a strong squad, its a bit samey in key areas and lack pace of movement through the middle. Needs another very good striker, or and Ade loved and fired up and a left back. The manager needs to be more creative, more positive and more fluid with a plan B than the last.....Italian, give it up, its over, he's gone, he failed, he got sacked, lets move on. Totty i wonder how Big Sam would work with a very decent squad, his career shows a path of getting his teams to over achieve largely not great squads, in a way he deserves a shot with a good squad, really not sure I wnat it to be ours though.
tophobunty1882
Is there a match this weekend? ;-) Have we forgotten how to score or defend? Too many bloody questions and I for one have no answers. Have a good weekend all…… Up the Spurs!
MAN ON!
u turn yiddy, you should sign up for Camermoron. Pele, yiddy has just given you his vote of confidence, this now means you assume equal status with the Pope, because Tiddy really knows his stuff (read it). The Pope is also in love with AVB and has the latest AVB poster collection now hanging in the VAT.
tophobunty1882
tophobunty1882, you talk more in riddles than I do! :-)
MAN ON!
MAN ON! Tan has told Mackay he can't have any money for transfers in the window when he has said all he needs is three players to go forwards, he also has had numerous arguments about things. BUT Basically Tan wants to run the club from top to bottom and give managers no say in how to run the club or in the transfer market. Plus Tan is brining in his friends to take over from people who Mackay has worked with there and those people knopw absolutely nothing about football at all. With tan it's all about his ego trip and phuq the club and the supporters because he actually said, oh it's just another business venture. Mackay has done nothing wrong there apart from manage Cardiff brilliantly, built a team of dedicated hard working players and had only 10 players when he walked into the job. He has done wonders there but won't kow tow to the owner's stupidity and just be a yes man letting the club go to the dogs. He wants to fight for Cardiff's future as a Prem club and he will be sacked for it as he refuses to walk. He is a man of great integrity and honesty which is a rare thing in the prem these days..
chrishove123
topho ... is that the vat in his cellar that holds the communal wine ... bet the poster looks a bit blurry!
Geofspurs
that could be true Goef, that couldnt be true ManOn..
tophobunty1882
Slurms McKenzie Mackay DIDN'T state rthat there would be three players coming in, what he actually said was that he would love to have three players come in and would expect to be able to get those players he wants to take them forwards if (hopefully) the money were available. He NEVER said there WOULD be players coming in. Tan has twisted his words to try and make him look bad. Tan is a liar and a conman who is ruining Cardiff City FC.
chrishove123
chrishove123, Thanks for that info. Sounds like a bloody nightmare. We complain about our lot?
MAN ON!
Slurms, THIS is what Malky ACTUALLY said and I QUOTE verbatim. .. "It would be great if we can bring in three quality additions to the squad," said Mackay. "I would look to strengthen all three departments in terms of a defender, a midfielder and an attacking player." Now I ask you, is that raising the fan's hopes by saying we WILL bring in three players???? Of course not. I like Malky and I think he will be great hewe. The problem is n ow, that Tan has been persuaded to keep Malky on until after the Liverpool game as well as having one more meeting as to whether he should go or not. As I said they already have a replacement lined up who is ready and willing to step straight in with assurances about the extent of Tan'r interfering. So he may not be available without a release fee after all.
chrishove123
And here is more of what he said. Mackay, however, praised the club's board for the backing they gave him during the summer, and that he was awaiting guidance from them as to how much he will have to spend next month. "I will talk to my chairman [about January] who will then discuss it with the board of directors and our owner and I will take my lead from them," "It's up to them what they want to spend in January. "I've got my lists of players, whether they be permanent targets or loans for various positions. We've got to try to strengthen again."
chrishove123
Does all that sound like someone raising the fan's expectancy levels to unacceptable heights?
chrishove123
Man On, thanks, I am sick of good manager being thrown to the wolves after doing a great job for their clubs simply because the owners are business men and not football men. This debacle at Cardiff has just highlighted ther problem with people like Tan being allowed to buy into a club just because they are rich, even though they know absolutely zilch about football per se let alone anything to do with the British leagues and then they want to go and change the team's name and colours.
chrishove123
Right, been asked out for a bit of an early Christmas session, so catch you all later when I'm all the more mellow than I usually am. Catch you all later and be good on here. LOL
chrishove123
Enjoy! A toast to the goalkeepers union!
MAN ON!
I know it's Jan Molby but nobody else seems to have mentioned this guy.... Simeone at AM. I like the way they play but would he be able in the PL? Hiddink yes but that's a no-go as far as I can see.
longtimespur
Topho - U turn is it not, it's simply the final straw for me. I believe in giving some people a chance to prove you wrong, Levy had that chance and has failed miserably

By the way, now I know why you and I often disagree, you are a Labour man, blaming the current government for your own ****k-ups. You often post in exactly the same way, it's never your fault now is it? :-)
yiddyboy
I am not a labour man, wrong again sadly yiddy. How has Levy failed miserably?
tophobunty1882
At least people can now laugh at Cardiff as well as Spurs, just shows that you can be a good at business and crap at making football decisions. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Topho - Levy stated we are moving in a new direction, he has sold our best player in the Summer against the wishes of the head coach and before you say anything, what Liverpool did with Suarez is what we should have done with Bale. Levy has shown that the new direction is exactly the same as the previous direction, we are a selling club and the primary focus is to feed both Levy and ENIC. Anyone who forks out for tickets is being had by the bald headed one who gets away with yet another balls up. We are now entering a transitional period until we have a little bit of stability, which in turn will be the moment to start teh transition again. Fools is what we are being had for. If you don't agree with that then Levy has done no wrong, if you do agree then Levy has failed. 50/50 Topho to keep it simple for you :-)
yiddyboy
levy fails- recruiting a DoF that Jol didn't want, the way he fired Jol, Hiring ramos, the way he fired ramos, Not backing Arry with players once we qualified for CL, and subsequent Jan windows, Hiring AVB, not backing AVB, the way he fired AVB, appointing Sherwood anywhere near the first team...no stadium and no new money for players...I'm sure their are more that's all that came to me in 10 secs....
shedboy2
Yiddy we have moved in a new direction, we sold one player we wanted and we bought 7 players most on here wanted (i didnt) that takes us in a different direction by default. AVB his manager took us in a new direction, a different way of playing, a significant % of spurs supporters didnt like that direction so Levy listened and changed it. We have always been a buying and selling club, still are so no change there. You say we are now in transition but we are not going in a new direction...errrr?. Yiddy, Levy made a mistake hiring AVB he has now corrected that mistake. I dont need things kept simple yiddy, my business deals in complex situations and equations every day. You have changed your opinion on someone, that is simple and perfectly normal, your justification is pasty. But I dont really need more and you dont need to justify, so that's it for me on this subject. On the spurs subject I hope Levy makes a better hire this time and we start to recover from the current mess very quickly whoever comes in.
tophobunty1882
Shed, Levy has made mistakes on the footballing front and its not his strength it appears, on the commercial sense he has made few mistakes. On balance since Levy came in as a club on and off the pitch we have improved. I am not sure I want to spend anymore time on this one, there is little point. I would love a new stadium though.
tophobunty1882
If I could have my twp pennyworth. If as looks inevitable Malky Makay gets the sack at Cardiff, as he has said quite rightly, that he won't resign, we could do far worse i.e. as far as it goes by sticking with Sherwood, than giving him the job of coaching us until the end of the season, then see what happens then. He would still be making a living, and we would have time to survey the scene looking for a coach, if by then we didn't want Mackay to stay, or indeed he didn't wish to continue. He has got Cardiff punching way above their weight, having brought them back up to the top level for the first time in yonks, and he has one great advantage over Sherwood, the 200+ games he has under his managerial belt. The only problem I could see is that he is a big, imposing, craggy Scot, with a naturally abrasive type of personality, and appears as though he doesn't/wouldn't suffer fools gladly, and wouldn't stand to be fed bollox, by somebody who doesn't know what the bloody hell he is talking about, so this may put him in conflict with our Mr. Levy, in the same way as with Mr. Tan. He may not be a big name, a "world renowned" coach, but sooner or later we will realise that we won't attract these anyway, and just as Liverpool, and Everton, have discovered, there is often talent under your nose, that if allowed to use their expertise without interference, and are given reasonable backing, they may well succeed. Lets face it it is no bigger gamble than to give the job to "one season" wonders from both Seville, and Porto, only to see both fail.
Frank
Thanks for spelling it out for me, but I got the incredibly ridiculous situation a cardiff already, my comment was a sarcastic swipe at Tan not Mackay
Slurms McKenzie
Frank, for me I would go Hoddle, challenge him to get us top4 if he does he gets a full time offer, if he doesnt we have time to get the best man available in the summer. But for me Sherwood is a no no.
tophobunty1882
Hopefully if we get Mackay, he can bring Frasier Campbell with him:)
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Hello Topho, havn't seen you comment on here much since the axe fell on AVB. You certainly called it right, even back when he was taking a swipe at the fans. I think it's weird now to see all this ENIC and Baldini bashing when almost everyone was in raptures during the summer TF window.
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Cleveland...he could bring a young lad called Caulker as well. Supposed to have potential.....
jacobslad
Topho, thats not a bad way out of this mess. Being realistic I can't see us in the top 4. Was hoping Suarez might have wanted away in Jan but that is clearly not the case.
jacobslad
Muttley was this written tongue in cheek? I'd say most mangers would gladly pass on our poisoned chalice. The Spurs job is no where near as attractive as some deluded people seem to think. The board have unrealistic expectations, little patience and interfere too much. They have about the 8th highest wage bill but expect a top 4 finish it simply is unrealistic. The average net spend of £10m per annum over ENIC's tenure again isn't something most top managers are going to be interested in either. I think Liverpool's Rodgers said what most intelligent people already thought that the revolving door hire then fire policy at the club put's off potential targets. Imagine not being able to entice the manager of Swansea to Spurs? That is the situation we found ourselves in 18 months ago and I doubt seeing another manager dispatched 18 months later is going to change that perception. Unless we are really lucky we will, struggle in the fixtures between now and the new year, will go out of Europe next round then the FA cup and free fall down the league table.
judge
Wenger has spoken: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2527184/AVB-needed-time-new-faces-gel-Wenger-sympathises-ninth-rival-north-London-boss-axed.html
jacobslad
Sky news reporting that Sherwood want's the Spurs coach job long term, and won't settle for a lesser roler if a new coach is installed. This seems to be an attempt to kind of blackmail his way into a job he is far from qualified to do, and if appointed, would almost have serious implications for our future. There are people already out of work, and rumored soon to become out of work, who are better qualified, more experienced, and with some proven ability, making them a lesser risk than Sherwood, who is yet to hold a job coaching adults, and the difference between their mentality, and those of star struck kids, should be obvious. If Sherwood were to get the job I fear an exodus of players, rivaling that chronicled in the good book, and I would even go as far to say that our future expectations may be adjusted to the getting of 40 points to stay in the PL year on year, with aspiration of top 4,5 becoming a distant memory, we will, if we haven't already, become a laughing stock.
Frank
@Jacobs, How could I forget Caulker, He's even in my FF team, and is doing great things for me. Frank I read that Sherwood doesn't have the coaching badges, surely he wouldn't be able to take the job full time. If he does then it's going to be a sad day at the lane
Cleveland ARTSPURS
Agree jacobslad ..should Malky Mckay arrives at spurs.. lets hope bring Caulker with him...we need a CD of his ability...
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