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Tottenham Hotspur vs Stoke City

One look at the Premiership Table this morning and once again we watched yet another 2 points dropped at home to West Brom, the same as last season under AVB.

Baldini should have fallen on his own sword when he had the chance! You have to go back to Sunday the 27th October to find a Spurs home win. We have only won 3 Premiership home games all season. Just 11 points from a possible 27 at home so far this season and just 3 points from 15 in our last 5 home games. Contrast that with the 19 points we have won away from home it almost makes you wish we could play away from home for every match.
Why are we so poor at home? At the beginning of the season we were touted by the pundits as title contenders now look at us! Jermain Defoe not one goal in the Premiership this season, Roberto Soldado: 4 goals, However, newly restored Adebayor, 4 Prem games 3 goals! Go figure!

There is no excuse for our home results or our home performances. Something is missing from our team and Tim, Les and the boys need to take a step back and take a long hard look at how we use the talent we have on the pitch.
Stoke arrive on the back of a 5-1 mauling by the Toons and are missing their Manager from the dugout, Mark Hughes having being charged by the FA for improper conduct, Stoke City goalkeeper Asmir Begovic could be out for up to six weeks with a broken finger, Glenn Whelan, sent off for a second yellow, and Marc Wilson sent off after fouling Remy in the box at Newcastle! So here is the question: Can we at least beat Stoke at home? 4 points from 6 for the start of Sherwood`s reign, can we make it 7 points from 9 or are we just kidding ourselves that we are still in with a shout for top 4.

Do we have the creativity to beat these defensive teams? We have the mighty Crystal Palace next after Manure away, the ultimate litmus test of our home form. If we can`t beat Stoke and Palace at the Lane then roll up the tents, put out the home fires and trudge your way down High Road to Severn Sisters Tube Station and listen to the echoes of the laughter coming out of Fulham Broadway and Holloway Road.

Paulinho is available after his three-match ban, but Kyle Walker serves a one-game suspension, so that position choice should be interesting! Defoe, Dembele and Aaron Lennon are doubts, while Younes Kaboul, Sandro, Andros Townsend and Jan Vertonghen will not start.

Our team have spent 16 Premiership Games trying to get a handle on AVB`s set up and now they have to get back to understanding a system that used to be our best. Is it understandable that we don`t look that convincing? Are we a team in transition or are we a team forced into transition by a Board that knows less about Football than we the fans?
It doesn`t really matter whether it`s Limbo or Timbo, Sherwood of Deadwood, defence is defence and under no circumstances should we be letting any more soft goals be scored against us. Even without Vertonghen or Kaboul in the back four, West Brom`s Morgan Amalfitano's free-kick should have been better dealt with!

Our Centre Back positions need to be looked at come the January window and so does our strike force. In fact the whole back four needs addressing and, whilst we are at it, let`s have a look at the people who own our club! We cannot afford to keep relying on Walker for every Prem fixture and the fact that he is serving a one match ban means our only other natural Right Back for Stoke is........Naughton!

Danny Rose is now our first choice Left Back and we continue to expect Michael Dawson to hold the back line in the absence of Vertonghen. If you had a choice would you mount a title challenge with the back four players we currently have?

We also need to understand how to play teams that defend well in the box. We still don`t seem to have that final bit of quality in the box to unpick a defence. We saw it against Wet Spam and the Toons and now West Brom. We have to be better against Stoke in front of goal.
There is no point in Sherwood saying we did not get the breaks, you make your own luck in football. Manchester City had less chances in front of goal than us at the Eithad and yet the 6 chances they did make they scored.

Newcastle and Wet Spam the same, hardly any chances and those they did have they took. We hold the ball up, we get tons of possession and when we do get into the 6 yard box we cannot convert, instead we put headers into the side netting or we don`t make the right kind of moves in the dangerous areas.

We want to see whoever plays for Spurs show some intelligence and guile like City do, provide some magic and vision and be unpredictable, show some quality in front of goal like Suarez, pass the ball around with conviction and stay in shape in front of goal like Everton, be organised and be clinical like the scum and show some commitment like Liverpool. Get there to the tackle and pick up the second ball, play well off the ball by showing some movement as well. Is that too much to ask?

Picking a team for a home game is turning into a lottery and Tim needs to sort it out. Why? Because the most goals we have scored at WHL this season in the Prem is 2 goals! We have the talent we just don`t know how to make it work!

Come on you Sherwood!

Written by OyVeh Maria




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Date:Saturday December 28 2013

Time: 11:46AM

Your Comments

3-0 COYS!
Critical_Spur
hmm what's missing from our team?...oh, that will be an actual manager!
shedboy2
Play lamela from the start, he is better than chadli and siggy. He needs a good run of games and a good way is to start tomorrow. Need a much better performance than against WBA, time to give the home fans something to cheer about.
Kong
Can't see anything other than another up and at em, running around like headless chickens draw. Eight home goals (two of them highly dubious penalties) three home wins (two of them as a result of those highly dubious penalties) make it hard to predict a home win. We couldn't even defeat a largely second string West Brom. I fear the worst for Spurs. Man U and Arsenal to come. I feel a revolt at White Hart Lane is just around the corner.
jonathan01
the tempo has increased with Sherwood which is good esp when you consider our quicker players are out, would be good to keep this and improve it, whilst closing the barn door through the middle.No Siggy please.
tophobunty1882
Shedboy what's missing from the team is support from fans like yourself. You are constantly harping on and on about Levy, the Manager, ENIC and just about any other negative influence you can muster to put out there. It is done! The die is cast! You nor I can do nothing about the situation now other than to stop supporting the club or worse to continue to spout negative comments about the club. May I respectfully ask you and the others to put aside your vehemence for the time being and focus on the football we can and should play? Can we discuss who is available, who will play where, what the setup may be and other positive aspects of football and just leave the diatribes for after the game!
jvd
Anyone and everyone to blame except the negative and acknowledged worst home supporters anywhere. I doubt if it will happen but we should just change the supporters then we have a better chance of success. But no lets play the Tottenham way instead and loose using that system! Anyway the happy booers and moaners will still roll up for there negative fix!
camper
My line up, lloris, Fredericks, Dawson, vlad, rose, capoue, Dembele, Eriksen, lamela, soldado, ade, if Dembele not fit then paulinho to start. Eriksen to drift from the left.
Kong
Agree Topho would maybe like to see TS try out a 433 with Lloris, Fredrick's, Daws, Capoue, Rose, Eriksen, Dembele/Holtby, Chadli, Ade, Soldado, Lamella. I am assuming that we still have Paulinho out as well as Lennon and the others with injuries.
jvd
Real close Kong. We may be forced that way because of injuries and red cards.
jvd
That's right jvd, I think paulinho is available for tomorrow. If both siggy and chadli play the wings then I feel that it will limit us so like you lamela for me.
Kong
Not sure when Lennon is due back, Sherwood might start with bentelab if Dembele is injured. A lot of ifs and buts as not sure on the injured. Whatever the team we still should be too strong for Stoke but I said the same for the WBA game.
Kong
I will be at the game and hope for a much better result than what I watched on Thursday as we were poor. Great that Paulinho is back so hopefully no Siggy as he did nothing on THursday. NAughton should slot in at right back for Kyle. I am really hoping Aaron is fit to play and I agree lets give Lamela a start ahead of Chadli. We really need 3 points tomorrow and hopefully we can have the fans behind them because I was at the lane on Thursday and I must say, it was like playing away, I was shocked how quiet the fans were. We really need to get behind the team. Come on you Spurs.
markyboy40
Going down the road with Sherwood is another disaster waiting to happen. We look so disorganised, like an under 8 football match where everyone runs after the ball. We made west brom look like they could play football, had more of the possession again and couldn't score from open play. Sherwood has showed in 2 games that has no tactical acumen, no ability to read the game and worse, won't be able to change anything once the game is under way. Just a case of light the touch paper and see what happens. I hope we win, if nothing else just so we don't slide further down the table, but this season is already a write off for me.
vicspur
its gonna be another nail-biter,
ghulamville
3-0 Spurs, and I'll read the article in a minute !!
Geofspurs
OK having read the article I see Paulinho is available so here we go;
Lloris
Fredrick's...Daws....Capoue...Rose
Eriksen...Paulinho...Chadli
Lamella...Soldado...Ade

I think that's a pretty attacking team with Friedel, Naughton, Keereekesh, Bentaleb, Holtby, Coulthirst and Defoe on the bench.
jvd
Kong that looks a strong first 11. Agree with Eriksen. He seems to play best from that starting position. COYS!
James1
tim Sherwood is going to prove himself to be a buffoon,i take no pride in saying that unfortunately.in hindsight it would have been better to have kept avb
ghulamville
James1, I feel Eriksen has a lot to offer from the left, much more than siggy, nothing against siggy but I would prefer players suited to play the wings and be able to drift around the pitch.
Kong
jvd ... I think I like your team. If Walker was playing I would prefer Lennon to Lamela, but he's not, so I don't! ;-)
Geofspurs
Cant see past a convincing stoke victory here. They have a similar squad in terms of quality, and a far more experienced manager.
cesc la vie
We've got a great away record ... so I'd suggest everybody cheers for Stoke so that it feels like an away game to the team ... guess who is desperate for a home win!!!
Geofspurs
Until some of the injuries clear up, it could be much as the same as WBA.
WestStandEnclosure
jvd- depends which die you're talking about?....we still have Levy...until he starts acting with the best interest of the footballing side in mind I'll keep calling him out...he's a shoddy manager (yes he has to manage people too) and charlatan of an owner who doesn't even have the decency to employ a real manager for the fans...why should the fans just shut up?....I'll happily talk about the football as well but the carbuncle on our club is Levy....
shedboy2
vicspur ... not really sure how anyone can show anything in two games?!
Geofspurs
not sure that Soldado and Ade works too well, if they dont set it alight together this game I would revert to a 451 which can change to a 433, with one "holder" and the rest very fluid and attack minded. No Siggy.
tophobunty1882
shed we have improved our league position in the Levy reign, I am no lover but it's hard to argue against that and to me thats about the mos important thing
tophobunty1882
tops- oh joy...we're eighth...not really worth celebrating is it?
shedboy2
What will Tim do tomorrow? Will he leave out our best available DM and french international just so other players can run around a bit? very hard to predict what a guy who doesn't know what he's doing is going to do! Will the players play for him? we made the worst team in the Pl look good.......

That said we have good players....do I think our strike force lends itself to two up...no. It might be time to introduce a little competition up top...(although with all the shenanigans Soldado may just want out) but we can still be very offensive whilst maintaining shape and solidity....


...........................Ade.......................
Chadli.................Eriksen..........Lamela
................Capoue.......Pauli................
Rose..............Vlad......Daws.....Naughton.
.........................lloris.........................
shedboy2
No Walker so Fredericks at R.B. (better than Naughton) If Lennon is fit he should be on bench ready to come on. (Someone please tell him to SHOOT!!!) Dembele needs to play further forward and move the ball quicker...keeps getting caught. Bentleb good prospect. I love Dawson's commitment and enthusiasm......... sadly he has become a liability.The game is too fast for him. Lamela has to be given a chance in his favoured position with Eriksen. Ade is our best striker by far and that isn't saying much. Defoe can go unless he learns the offside rule and when to pass!!!! Sandro when fit should be first name on team sheet. Tell Lloris to stop punching the ball...catch the damn thing!! If we don't beat Stoke and Palace,we are looking at mid-table. Manure and Arse will tear u apart. SO COYS.
wentworth
Cant see how this game is going to be to much different from the West Brom game, we have a number of injuries, he wont play a holder as i think he'll go with Paulinho and Eriksen. We will be open at the back and all gung ho. Im going for a 2-2 draw, i believe it will get better but not for a month or so yet. So expect some unhappy fans for a while still.
WizYid
I'd play Naughton in the stands beneath the cockerel ... assuming he refused to stay home for the day!
Geofspurs
And how we have lost to West Ham twice at home this season is beyond me. They are utter garbage. Puts us into perspective really. With all due respect how any of us expect a fight for top 4 is a joke, there are definitely 6 teams better then us and that dont include Newcastle and Southampton. We have a massive fight for top 7, we are miles away from top 4 and anyone who still thinks that's possible are in for a massive reality check.
WizYid
WizYid - Lewis Holtby believes Spurs can win the league.
MrSpurs
Geof, that is very unfair on Naughton who is NOT a left back where the disaster by the name of AVB played him, he might have been or might be a decent right back. Wiz, i think that could be the way it goes sadly.
tophobunty1882
shedboy we are 8th because of AVB look at the period of levy's tenure and compare it to the same period of time immediately before. come on mate you are not as stupid as you just made yourself look with that comment. Come on man. I am not the biggest fan of Levy but refuse to do to myself what you just did to yourself FFS.
tophobunty1882
west ham fans booing, heaven forbid, they must be quicker learners than we think learning that off in in such a short period of time, what ever next, what is football coming to, fans complaining when watching their teams play sheit week in week out....i never thought I would see this day
tophobunty1882
Has Anelka now scored more goals than Soldado from open play thos season? I think he has you know, there you go, but he must have played so many more mintutes than Soldado of course..
tophobunty1882
3-1 win with lloris, naughton, chiriches, dawson, rose, lennon, paulinho, eriksen, chadli, ade, soldado. COYS! (We need chadli to defend set pieces against stoke, he is good in the air)
logos8
Good job Anelka didn't play on Boxing day….
MAN ON!
Lewis Holtby is either drunk or hungover from to much christmas sherry, just fighting talk i suspect. Shedboy i dont see how you're putting this all onto Levy's doorstep, he has made mistakes no doubt, but he gave over £100 million to Baldini and AVB to re-shape the squad with, they couldn't of done worse if they tried. Yes some will settle and prove to be good signings, but some will be very poor signings also, a few people inside the game predicted this will be a inconsistent transitional season for Tottenham after that spree and im sorry to say they were right.
WizYid
logos, is that not what defenders are for? i thought we bought chadli because he was great and could produce all along the front line, well thats what somebody on here said (argued for weeks actually) in the window, cant remember the posters name now. Same sort of thing about Soldado, world class striker hit the ground running thingy...you know what i mean....
tophobunty1882
This is fast turning into a "I don't want forum"...'don't play siggy', 'drop that piece of kak Chadli', 'Naughton can't start' and I cant say I disagree.. we have more worse that better players at the moment and a team that hasnt got a clue whi each other is. I am not trying to be negative but as OyVeh's points out we haven't won at home since October so my thoughts are pretty much just facts. People can keep blaming Levy, AVB and now even Tim but its the players that need to pull their fingers out, their performances have been shocking this season.
T.H.F.Chris
Lloris, Fredericks, Rose, Dawson, Chiriches, Paulinho, Sigurdsson, Eriksen, Lamela, Adebayor, Soldado
sybrianuk
WizYid lennon and paulinho back will make the difference. When we play wingers in their natural position we seem to look better. No siggy on the left, chadli in his natural position (he will also help to defend set pieces) and lennon on the right will be an improvement from wba. Paulinho will do better than holtby so, overal, I am expecting a comfortable 3-1 win.
logos8
tops- you're right i am not stupid...do you honestly believe we're eighth because of AVB alone?...look at the constituent parts. I don't buy this 'look at how bad the last owners were'...it doesn't hold water...13 years on we're still a mid table team only getting top4 by accident when levy needed saving from his own DoF system...no investment in players in 3 years and a new stadium still years away ...
shedboy2
THF stick mice in cage, teach them to do one thing for 18 months and what to you have? This current spurs side. Footballing brains need to be thawed out and freedom to express re-introduced.
tophobunty1882
WizYid- the buck stops with Levy...he's created a mess.
shedboy2
I'm confused. Not sure if I'm happy or sad. Optimistic or pessimistic. I'm gonna sit on the fence. All I know for sure is that we'll win, loose or draw. COYS!
MAN ON!
Stoke are without 2 key players after those red cards. The win is a must.
logos8
i didnt think you were, but now I think you might be after that last post, your honestly think we qualified for CL twice and finished 5th twice by accident? Come on that is utter stupidity. Now the stadium is a different matter and yes he could and should have had the stadium at least started and arguably built, this discussion started as in the footballing sense from what i remember. Come on man you are better than this mate.
tophobunty1882
shedboy2, Top 4 by accident? No investment in players for 3 years?
MAN ON!
tophobunty1882 looking at the stats it seems only dawson, verts, ade and walker win more aerials than chadli. with 2 of them unavailable for today, I think it is important to have chadli in the starting lineup.
logos8
logos8, also no Huth and a second or third choice goalie. They do have Crouch up front though. So, it's a draw then?
MAN ON!
...........................Ade....................... Chadli.................Lamela..........Lennon ................Capoue.......Eriksen................ Rose..............Vlad......Daws.....Naughton. .........................lloris.........................

Lennon may not be fit enough to start, but I just want to see how Lamela plays in an advanced central position. shedboys lineup looks good as well... can't see either happening.
Guyver
MAN ON! I am confident of the win. 3 goals too. COYS!
logos8
Topho I am guessing you mean individual cages which change position each week but always face the wrong direction... Tim will change that, 4-4-2, "defenders defend, forwards attack and midfielders do a bit of both"... Not sure they will be good enough to handle the freedom.
T.H.F.Chris
Guyver, If Lennon's out, who would you play on the right?
MAN ON!
logos8, Seriously, I of course expect us to win but, I thought we'd thrash WBA!
MAN ON!
newcastle/arsenal and man utd to draw. chelsea to lose. spurs to win. it's going to be a good Sunday.
logos8
MAN ON! I had a bad feeling about wba. too many injuries. siggy on the left and chadli on the right was never going to work. holtby not good enough. we were poor in midfield.
logos8
MAN ON! If not Lennon, i'd go with Lamela on the right. Chadli looked uncomfortable starting on the right vs West Brom.
Guyver
Topho we are eighth because ENIC keep selling our best players.
jonathan01
logos8….. Thanks! Now I know I can get out of bed on Sunday, a happy man and drag my sorry butt up to WHL. :-)
MAN ON!
Logos8 I agree with what you are saying ref height Stoke, but really we should be putting a team on the pitch who will make Stoke be thinking non stop about how to stop us. Not sure Wenger would drop one of the midgets and play Mertesakers sister to combat Stoke do you? Having said that there have been one or two (well maybe 1) glimmers from Chadli recently that he might be worth 20% of his fee. I think Guyver picks a decent side subject to Lennon being fit.
tophobunty1882
THF Chris, i think somewhere between the two is where we need to be, dont you?
tophobunty1882
If lennon is not fit I would also go with Lamela on the right.
logos8
logos8, I like Holtby but he was awful against WBA…...
MAN ON!
tophobunty1882 No siggy on the left please. from what we have available it's between chadli and lamela. Chadli is more reliable defensively and I would play Lamela on the right if Lennon can't start.
logos8
I'd also like to see Lamela on the right. Don't think it'll happen though...
MAN ON!
MAN ON! I like him too, he works hard, is determined, but I don't think he is good enough to start in the epl, especially with the current competition for midfield places.
logos8
Man on- yep no new money spent on players in 3 years...we've made something like 33m profit...as for top4 by accident...it refers to Levy having to fire his manager after his disastrous flirtation with DoF system and appoint Arry...who exceeded his brief and got us into CL places...you may re-call the guy Levy sacked before taking a huge unnecessary gamble on AVB...the guy he just sacked to appoint a back room boy...
shedboy2
i think thats a fair point logos, defo Chadli over Siggy.
tophobunty1882
I'm also hoping to see Paulinho back in midfield. Eriksen surprised me with his tackling on Boxing day but I' like to see him further forward, in behind the striker/s
MAN ON!
tops- ...you'll catch up....it just takes some a little longer for some to see....
shedboy2
well at least we wont lose today Shed
tophobunty1882
@shedboy - Although the club is a mess at the moment. I don't think #LevyOut is the right call. At all. Also it is futile. Plus. One thing we should all have learnt from AVB to Sherwood. Is.. better the devil you know. We are in a seriously bad situation. We have built a team for 4-3-3. and have now reverted to 442. We are - at least - 2 players heavy in midfield and 2 players short in attack. Add to that that we are short of defenders to begin with. We are short. I think we'll finish between 7th-10th place.
mellowchaos
Topho I would have accepted AVB's style if it had worked but it didnt so he absolutely had to go. I don't really know what Sherwood is going to be like but so far he looks a lot more entertaining, probably because he is trying to make an impact early on, how he sets up again Utd and Scum will be interesting - should be somewhere in the middle I expect.
T.H.F.Chris
to see what Shed? that our league postion under Levy has improved compared with the same time period before he took over, the quality of the squad has improved over the same time frame comparison, the finiancial stability of the club has improved in the same time period. You need to be totally ignorant and a thick kent to ignore those facts to fuel a brain dead emotional, argeument. Why are you doing it Shed? Of course things could be better, but please mate dont go all thick on us, you are far from that but on this one you really look thick.
tophobunty1882
Off topic but get your text messages ready, Sunderland win and Wet Spam go bottom...
T.H.F.Chris
I agree with jonathan01, can't in all fairness predict a home win, not with our appalling home record.
Frank
yes chris to me more often than not in this league you need play play 3 in the middle and 1 up front, but more often than not you do NOT play two of the 3 deep. thats the difference or where the difference should lay.
tophobunty1882
We have been doing it wrong all season, apparently all we need to do is to put 11 vocally positive supporters on the pitch, and it will all come right. We can forget about coaches or players, just pick supporters, simple as that. This could be the dawning of a new football revolution.
Frank
I think Adebayor upfront in a 4-5-1 with Eriksen, Holtby and Sandro in the middle and Lamela and Siggy on the wings. If we go behind sub Eriksen for Soldado and go 4-4-2.
MrSpurs
mrspurs, yes bot NO SIGGY....chris you mean that team that beat us 3-0 at home could be bottom today?
tophobunty1882
Adebayor, is he really our saviour? On Boxing day he looked like he had already done his share of hard work for the season.
MAN ON!
Guyver.... why not siggy on the right if Lennon unfit? Leave Lamela in the middle, Chadli left and all with freedom to switch. I'm still not sure about Ade as he wasn't anywhere near as good last time out was he? 8 times offside? He must be taking lessons from Daffy!! Hope he doesn't think he's done enough already and stops trying again ... Jonathon01 ,.... we are 8th because we have another new manager who needs time to settle and get Harry's 4-4-2 system into them!! What ever happened to this project that started at the beginning of last season. You know where we were going in a different direction! 18 months down the line and that project has been scrapped. Unless Tim's going to try differing systems against differing opposition but as yet hasn't. Not berating him as the 3 games he's had in charge were right for 4-4-2 but we were lacking in defensive ability with Vertonghen, Kaboul out and Chiriches being unsure in the air. I can't understand not playing a DMF to win the ball back.
longtimespur
IMO Soldado played better in the last game that Adebayor.Adebayor seemed very lazy to me but Soldado despite getting in good areas,needs to start working the goalkeeper,& bettter still give him no chance.
I`d still go 4-4-2 & same team as a against West brom but NO SIGGY,& Chadlii on the left & lamela on the right.

IMO Siggy is a poor excuse for a pro footballer.
Fanny adams
I doubt Lennon will be back, at least not start anyway and Paulinho is hardly defensive minded is he, he can put in a shift but he's not a holder. I think we will struggle until we play a defensive midfielder Sandro or Capoue, i cant see the problem Sherwood has with Capoue i believe he could be a outstanding premier league midfielder but Sherwood dont seem to fancy him. Tomorrow will be much of the same as thursday as will the 6 or so weeks of our season. Shed yes the buck does stop with Levy, he has a lot to answer for, but you cant blame the £100 million spent poorly in the summer on him. We had a chance this summer to bridge the gap and we've failed miserably. Lamela must play in my opinion, he should start for the next month to hurry along his settling in period and then i believe we'll see the good player he is. I can see why he's struggling with this stop start tactic we seem to have with him.
WizYid
longtime because he is totally crap.
tophobunty1882
They are truly deluded supports, constantly telling me how shi1 Tottenham are doing when they fail to see the bigger picture, I say bigger but Port Vale away would sum it up better.
T.H.F.Chris
Topho .... You have your opinions and you make absolutely certain people know them.
longtimespur
longtime. "we are 8th because we have another new manager". How the feck do you work that one out? please enlighten us all? let me just say it back to you. WE ARE 8TH BECAUSE WE HAVE ANOTHER NEW MANAGER....errrrr
tophobunty1882
If Capoue doesn't start against man utd and arsenal, then Tim is ridiculous... but I can accept it if he doesn't play him tomorrow.
logos8
weren't we 8th when avb left? or was it 7th?
logos8
Topho ... Just as a matter of interest what happened to you not reading my posts?????? I'll go back to not answering yours, cheers. Happy New Year. COYS.
longtimespur
Stoke, believe it or not, will pack out their defence and hope to hit us on the break with long and high balls up to Crouch. When, so far this season, have we conquered this tactic? We need our most skilled players involved and plenty of off the ball movement. We were static against the Baggies and once again our high possession rate was more due to the opposition letting us have the ball to pass sideways and back from midfield. What do we have to do to break them down?
MAN ON!
Topho your post about 3 in the middle but with only 1 of them being a holder is spot on. That's where i think AVB failed the most in picking 2 defensive minded midfielders and the inverted winger thing of course.
WizYid
comeon longtime, explain that one please, how are we 8th because we have another new manager....derrrrrrr......and the high balck line Wizyid.....no space to play in....logos agree ref Capoue or a holder, ideally Sandro if fit...in those two games...mind you i would play one tomorrow
tophobunty1882
And for the record i am about 3 billion percent certain Sherwood is a stop gap until the summer. The 18 month contract is to show some kind of backing or stability towards Tim i believe. But i would lay my house, my wife and my lad's playstation 4 that we'll appoint a new manager in the summer.
WizYid
tophobunty1882 if you would start capoue tomorrow would you pair him with paulinho or eriksen? or someone else? I would like to see 3 in the middle 1 holding against man u and arse but I would still try the 4-4-2 tomorrow.
logos8
after 40 mins norwich have created 8 chances with 4 on target. man u 0 chances even thought they have had 62% possesion
logos8
hopefully man u will drop some points today
logos8
So far at Carrow Road Manchester United have had 65% possession and not one single shot on goal let alone a shot on target, where Norwich have had 35% possession and had 7 shots on goal and 3 on target, more proof of the possession tactic being total bulls*** and very misleading.
WizYid
Two great posts WizYid and worryingly I' m sure Sherwwod also knows he only has until the end of the season. How long will it be before the rumours of a new manager start to surface. So much for stability
jonathan01
It's been said often on here that possession isn't the "b all and end all" of a game, it's what you do when you have possession that really counts. Manu at present showing a good example of that as it's still 0-0 at half-time.
longtimespur
Wizyid, ..... I'm sure that's in Levy's mind too. But what do you think'll happen if Sherwood manages a cup win or CL place? Not likely I know but stranger things have happened. Will he get his 18 month contract or still finish after 6 moths?
longtimespur
jonathon i think the rumours about our new manager wont go away all throughout the season and all through the summer until someone is appointed, which i believe will be after the world cup. So we will probably have about 30 different names linked to the post and certainties to get it. Oh the joy of being a Tottenham fan, stability is overated anyway. Here's to a roller coaster season with weird results aplenty.
WizYid
Wizyid, the 18 months is to build in a 12 month pay off.....logos probably both with Ade alone up front, unless you want to rish going 3 at the back which without Walkers pace I wouldnt.
tophobunty1882
topho if lennon can't start then yeah, capoue could track back and cover for a defensively weak right side.
logos8
tophobunty1882 Why have they built in a 12 month pay off.
I don`t get it?
Fanny adams
it's all part of the project fanny adams... :D
logos8
moyes brings welbeck on and he scores
logos8
Sherwood wanted longer term, Levy wanted a trial period mainly because none of the main targets are available until the end of the season. The deal struck covers both as it gives Sherwood salary for another 12 months to sort out his future if as most expect he doesnt quite make it. Pretty simple arrangement really fanny.
tophobunty1882
topho yes it could well be true that the +12 months on contract was just a way of fooling Tim that he is not just a caretaker.
logos8
interim
logos8
Longtime- if Sherwood somehow managed a top 4 spot he would then be known as the messiah and would become unsackable and be idolised by everyone and anyone associated with Tottenham. Which would then probably mean Levy would sack him. Nah in all honesty i cant see Sherwood staying beyond this summer no matter what happens.
WizYid
Can Palace do it what a story that would be.
WizYid
Man U scored...possession football works
matt hoten
THUDD IS GETTING HIS HAIR CUT! :)
stu_u2k
BREAKING NEWS- tom huddlestone will be cutting his hair
ghulamville
Hudd getting a haircut today!!!!
Critical_Spur
Yesssssssss at long fu(king last Huddlestone get's a haircut. I actually miss him and rate him very highly.
WizYid
ive watched a lot of hull this season,huddlestone was defo good enough for us,but he was never played regurlarly
ghulamville
Im actually really pleased for Hudd. I bet when he made that pledge he thought it would only be a couple of months before he scored...
oxfordspur
matt hoten have you seen the match and the goal? It was against the run of play, defensive error gave the ball away when there was no danger.
logos8
didnt for us Matt, dominating possession is a must in todays game having a manager capable of setting up a team to have it and use it to score and win games was beyond AVB.... he's gone booo hooo
tophobunty1882
LOL BBC: Tom Huddlestone takes a touch before smashing home. The big man, who said he would get his hair cut once he scored a goal following a two-year scoring drought, celebrates by getting a member of the Tigers' backroom staff to lop a bit off his considerable mop on the touchline.
stu_u2k
That has to be a first!:)
stu_u2k
hindsight is a wonderfull thing,we should have kept bale,hudds,caulker etc...
ghulamville
I am glad for hud but would he even get on the bench with our current squad?
logos8
Short backwards and sideways Sir?
MAN ON!
our squad is way overated,they don't perform,huddlestone ran the show v liverpool
ghulamville
logos8, He'd be first choice the way we're playing.
MAN ON!
So is that Meulensteen for the chop then?
MAN ON!
Logos no I wasn't watching the game but the error from Norwich might have been because they have been running around like sheit trying to keep up with Man U. Funny but our manager who's tactics were to use a controlled possession game had the best win % in the league of any Spurs PL manager. That's a fact, can I put it in capital letters.
matt hoten
matt hoten I don't think AVB would have had the same win rate if he would have taken over when harry did. Fair enough to him though, I hope he does well abroad, his style should definitely be able to achieve something in Italy.
logos8
matt hoten, You might well be saying that for a long time to come...
MAN ON!
Hull score 6, are they better than us now then?? No defensive midfielder is suicidal by the way and please play Lamela. I cannot for the life of me handle Siggy and Chadli as our starting wingers in the same game again.
WizYid
matt he was sacked because we were going backwards and getting thrashed, you seem happy with that.
tophobunty1882
logos, if he had taken over from Harry he would have had the advantage of Modric, Bale and King in his squad.
matt hoten
matt you sound like the type of guy who if you were getting paid 1000 per week and had a pay cut to 500 you would be happy. well we were 4th when plonk brains took over and 8th when he left and you are crying....you are an AVB supporter, I am a spurs supporter
tophobunty1882
Sorry guys but there really is no point talking about AVB anymore. He's gone!
MAN ON!
i agree Man ON......lets support Spurs
tophobunty1882
Man On I fear you are right but lets see what Sherwood does,he might surprise us all but a huge gamble.
matt hoten
sherwood is a huge gamble but AVB had to go, we wont finish lower than where AVB had us when he was sacked.
tophobunty1882
A Young English manager has finally been gien a chance, what so many ask for, comlain about etc. now is the time to back him, all of us! COYS!
stu_u2k
Despite a great win%,the real people who are sad to see AVB gone are everybody else in the league.He may of left with a great win % but that win% would have got a battering for the rest of the season.

IMO i`m just glad AVB went before it got ugly,the signs were there not all was right & he was losing friends with each passing game.He ended up being the same guy Chelsea sacked,he insisted on alienating everyone & his formula which once worked,the wheels really did start to come off.
Sacking AVB was the only thing to do,replacing him with Sherwood & Ferdinand is the part i can`t get my head around.
Cappello in the summer to put things right.
Fanny adams
I dont understand the Ferdinand bit, why would you have a TV pundit as your right hand man. I can understand Kevin Bond being here, he was the managers chauffeur.
matt hoten
tophobunty1882 he wasn`t sacked because "we were going backwards and getting thrashed"
He was sacked because he upset too many at a higher level.He had a meeting & at no time was sacking AVB even a consideration,what happened & what was sadi in that meeting got him the sack.AVB blamed everyone,from the fans to bird flu, except his own responsibility.
It sounds to me AVB wanted out anyway,because he clearly lost all direction & any clue.
The reason why we have Sherwood is because they had no intention of sacking him,it was done at such an instant decision probably aided by AVB himself,there was no plan B & now we`re stuck with boy scouts Ferdinand(striker coach ha ha ) & Sherwood.

i`d put money down that Levy was just as shocked with having sacking AVB as the rest of us,was it instigated by AVB? he apparently cried when sacked from Chelsea,i don`t think he shed a tear when shown the door by Spurs.

From an outsider looking in i think that AVB forced Levys hand on this one,maybe levy got his comeuppance.Left him up a creek without a paddle,because for me it was far too sudden & a terrible plan B for any thought out plan.
Fanny adams
What possible relevance is there to us in the fact that Tom Huddlestone may or may not get his haircut, he is a Hull City player, nothing to do with us. We should be more concerned whether some of our tossers get their collective heads out from up their rectums, and get a result v Stoke and register our 4th win from 10 at home. Some of em may even earn their money, something they have rarely done this season. Incidentally I see West Ham have scored 3 at home v WBA, what does that say about us.
Frank
I agree with the comments re Les Ferdinand, and his appointment as Sherwood's assistant. He has been working as our striker coach of late, and the fact that collectively they can't "hit a barn door with a banjo" suggests he ain't been very good at that. Mind you in his defense I suppose he could quote that "you can't polish a turd".
Frank
We'd probably score more with Les playing!
MAN ON!
Topho, re:Levy,Enic and Shedboy.....owners at Liverpool 3rd season,Liverpool top/top4. Enic 13/14 seasons, Spurs playing crepe and struggling to be in the top4. Could it be that an American sports franchiser knows more about creating a successful football club than a bean counter with a degree in something (BS probably).The answer is yes because one knows that their investment only shows as return if their team is successful on the field, and the other knows that his return comes from property development and selling out. That's why when PeterB goes on about any club would sell a player if the price was right he is seeing our club in exactly the same way as Levy, but he is completely wrong about the Liverpool owners who recognise that top talent is rare and when you have it you keep it. No doubt he will now produce a load of stats on player trading by the Red Sox. Finally, it would be nice if Shed, Peter, Vicspur et al start an article entitled "We're all Doomed" and post away 'til their hearts desires.
Harry-Kari
See from the poll, that not for the first time this season in a HOME game, by far the top 2 in the poll for MOTM v WBA are defenders, with Lloris and Danny Rose, polling a combined 54% of votes. That says volumes re. our home form i.e. P9 W3 D3 L3
Frank
If we try and play a high line again, all they will do is stick Crouch up front and lob high balls in all day long giving us major defensive problems. I can see Stoke hammering us like that to be honest.
chrishove123
Is Soldado the disappointment for not scoring or getting involved more or is Eriksen the disappointment for not creating more? I think they both have been poor but Eriksen is the key IMO.
MrSpurs
Well done Tommy, finally mobility won't be a problem for him now he can get that mop cut off of his head - frank people talk about him on here as he left spurs in a respectful shown out the door way and deserves our appreciation. Comments do prove that hindsight is a wonderful thing as not many were saying he's good enough to get into the spurs team at the end of last season.
T.H.F.Chris
apart from the magnificent free kick,erikson was poor.thats coming from a couple of mates who were at the game.his another who don't wanna get his hands dirty
ghulamville
we need paulinho to rediscover his early season form
ghulamville
ghulamville. Eriksen wasn't poor. Without his tackling and passing we would have been completely overrun in midfield as Holtby was so bad.
MAN ON!
Better tempo, but still no pace and more critically, no power. We could easily have lost at Southampton and against west brom. Where is our new manager bounce. The tools are there, just seems nobody knows how to use them. Injuries don't help, but sooo worried as not only do we have Dawson at the back, but no DM in front of him. Actually think you will see a far better Naughton at right back, he was great there at Norwich, just not played there for us. Fingers crossed, but worried. Sorry. COYS
Windlespur
Capoue debut at Palace was one of the best I have ever seen and with Sandro out, he should play. In fact, he should be playing instead of Dawson at CB, but would prefer to see him intercepting and protecting defence. We need to keep giving Eriksen a run, he is a creator and will come good.
Windlespur
Agree MANON - although not Eriksens best performance as he was being asked to defend far too much in the poor formation sent out. - no power, no pace in our midfield.
Windlespur
I didn't use to care about the ownership structure of football clubs. But given what has happened to clubs over the past few years, including ours I think having a mandatory 50% owned by supporters trust should come in asap. The forced increase in transparency would be game changing. in our case, it would provide a check on mr levy. Who is untouchable because his family own spurs. But it would also mean supporters cant just blame the owners. It would also hopefully make supporters more realistic with their expectations, as they would understand the choices / sacrifices that need to be made by the club. We would know the truth behind the avb era and sherwoods appointment
2ndeleven11
2ndeleven11 Fans hold more of the cards than they think,they just choose not to use them.
Fanny adams
Agree with those who say we need to get Lamela out there. He's got the feet, the skills, a pass in him. The culture or the game hasn't come to him since he's been here. We can only bring Lamela to the party. Sooner he's getting a run, the better. I think both Eriksen and Holtby will prove to be on the same wave-length as him - intelligent and creative, but Lamela is the flair. Certainly in the absence of Lennon and Thownsend. The biggest key difference is end product, which I think Lamela will show at the same level as Bale. Trouble is, I think he'll need the kind of 'free' role Bale ended up with, and I'm not sure if he'll get it, especially in a 442 on the wing. But he's probably our best player. Sitting on the bench. I do think he's every bit as good at what he does as Bale is at what HE does. Chuck him out there, he's too good to fail.
jerkinmahjurgen
I think if we don’t have a protecting midfielder tomorrow then we are going to be in deep mire. Crouch’s aerial threat is undeniable. Of our back 4, you can write off Naughton and Rose. Chiriches has been VERY POOR, rarely winning an aerial battle. That leaves us Dawson, Ouch!. The knock on effect would be that on every corner and free kick, Ade will be required to help out in defence, in which case his effectiveness up front is reduced. Conundrum. Chadli will HAVE to play as he does provide aerial support. Our new boys are gonna get a lesson on the PL physicality as the brutes from Stokes arrive with their usual plan.......even under Mark Hughes.

Unless we get an early two goal cushion, this could turn out to be another WBA type of a game.
Critical_Spur
Our midfield is our strongest area [probably] and it's true to say playing 442 deprives us of a midfielder. You look at the central players and you pretty much want them all in there. It'll be interesting to see if Sherwood sticks with his center or tries to get some height in with Paulinho and Dembele. I like Eriksen in the middle but not sure abour Siggy - No. 10 or from the left or up front at a push. Dangerous from the left anywhere near corner of box. I'd go Lloris - Ryan, Daws, kirikesh, Rose - Paulinho, Dembele, Eriksen - Siggi, Ade, Lamela 433 4321 451 call it what u want right to left. COYS! Yid Army! Jesus Was A Cockney!
jerkinmahjurgen
Windles I thought Eriksens Norwich debut was better than Capoue v Palace, that was more of a cameo and not one he has lived up to since, injuries and selection may be the said reasons but Ive also seen miss placed passes too often. To me apart from Eriksens poor touch which gave away the free kick he was MOTM, started to look like a class player epecially with his sublime free kick.

Eriksen has got to start, be interesting to see if Paulinho replaces holtby. Drop Chadli for Lennon, or Lemela if Lennon is still injured. Dawson is needed if Crouch plays, always does well against a big man I.e. like Carroll. We need a win as with Utd and a resurgent palace coming up we are desperate for 3 points now.
T.H.F.Chris
Eriksen and Lamela are class players, next season is when we will see the best of them, if Lamela is still around.
ItalianYiddo
ItalianYiddo, I don't think anyone will pay 30 mill for him and Levy won't let him go cheap! Mind you, Baldini may be instrumental to if he stays or goes. I wonder if Erik was one of the players AVB didn't want.
Critical_Spur
How can you not see that Lamela is a bloody good player? Only 21 having already cracked it at a giant Italian club, you don't think he'll have the Spanish giants looking by the time he's Bales' age? You're right, Critical, he won't be going anywhere for £30m...
jerkinmahjurgen
Critical, Lamela is highly regarded in Italy, i'v heard that Inter and Juve are watching the situation and no they are not going to pay 30M if they were prepared to pay that sort of money he would have stayed in Italy, I think the money paid was 30M. I can see an initial loan move happening, shame.....Don't know if he was forced on AVB, looks that way.
ItalianYiddo
24M not 30M
ItalianYiddo
jerkinmahjurgen, I wasn't disputing his talent (which is yet to be seen ar Spurs). I was merely referring to Italian's 'next season....if still around'. I think he WILL till be around.

Besides, for me it is still VERY early days to rate him. Let's see how he toughens up to PL, Flashes here and there, still not a regular starter. I hope to see him match the expectations.....but not until at least next season.
Critical_Spur
In fact, the hole that we are in at the mo, I don't expect any of our signings to deliver 'til next season. :0( We are only going through our 2nd transition of the season......expect another in summer.
Critical_Spur
critical, apart from Soldado and Paulinho all the players were not "finished product" even Eriksen and Lamela who came with a reputation but still young. I think overall the money was reasonably spent, whoever spent it, our problem is buying for the future and wanting success now. Even Chadli who gets his fair share of doubters will look a lot better next season if not before.
ItalianYiddo
Italian, Like another poster here (forget who), I am also a believer of continuous improvement philosophy. In recent seasons we had set our bar and IMO, for whatever reason, we won't meet our (fans' and board's) objectives. NEXT season?.... far too many unknowns to predict anything. The other teams are NOT going to stand still while we bring our players up to speed. But, we are Spurs and we do things the hard way! COYS!
Critical_Spur
Two for the price of One !!! It's called cover your ass, what will the after match pogress report be; Section A. He should never have played him and his just useless, what was he doing when they scored, map reading weeks and weeks his performed like a greyhound with a broken leg, we can't score and so it proved again another shi7 game. Or Section B. What a excellent performance great goals, everyone gave it everything and we showed what a good team we have. Tim, it was a master stroke picking him and he showed what a great talent he is, top result and 3pts in the bag.
spu 4 life
critical, we are the 6th in the PL financial league, the owners won't invest additional funds for players and wages, so for us to get in the top four it would be because two of the top six have messed up in the same way that if we finish below 6th we have messed up. For Levy to demand top four without the extra investment, in salaries not just players, is always going to be hard. Managers will come and go in pursuit of the Holy Grail. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
I'm not sure who & how for todays game, TS has played 433 & other formations in the U21's so I hope he fields the strongest available Team with who's actually available. Soldado & Ade MUST start together, so I'm guessing it'll be 442 as we don't have 3 fit CB's to play 352!

I hope Fredericks starts in place of Walker who's suspended. Chiriches is starting to scare me & he's been quite the liability of late, sadly... Hopefully we sign Lescott in Jan, he would bring stability, skill & also the fact he's English can be no bad thing. I don't understand TS's logic in dropping a CDM, Capoue has done his bit as a makeshift CB, but surely he deserves a starting position when Sandro is injured???

Anyway, my preferred lineup is

Lloris; Fredericks, Daws, Chiriches, Rose; Lamela, Capoue, Eriksen/Holtby, Chadli; Ade, Soldado

Lets hope for a excellent display, plenty of Spurs goals & a clean sheet (we SERIOUSLY need to improve our SHOCKING goal difference...!). COYS
True Spurs Supporter
It's good tho. I'm looking forward to the games again. Can't wait, to be honest. The longer I drink tonight, the less time I gotta wait tomorrow. ;) Just make sure I don't miss it... Desperate for three points against Stoke. COYS. We'll sing what we want. We'll sing what we want. We are Tottenahm Hotspur, we'll sing what we want. Yid Army! Yid Army! Yid Army! Jesus was a cockney, do dar, do dar. Jesus was a cockney, do dar do dar day. Do dar do dar day. Al Quaida's gay. Jesus was a cockney, do dar do dar day. COYS!
jerkinmahjurgen
I watched the Hull game yesterday. I got to say, Hudd is the player we are missing now. Soldado would have thrived on his ball behind defence & diagonal balls. Shame we let him go. Biggest mistake is not replacing him with a proper CM. Also Jake was terrific alongside Hudd. As usual, never makes mistakes in possession & this season for Hull is the 2nd highest chance creator for Hull after Hudd. I dont know if he will come back to us, but he is having a great season.
sydqcb5
We haven't won at home since October - that's appalling. My XI

Lloris,
Fredricks, Daswon, Chriches, Rose,
Paulinho, Bentaleb,Eriksen,
Lamela, Soldado,Adebayor
sydqcb5
I believe the XI above could do the damage. We will have pace from fullbacks. Bentaleb to keep the midfield ticking. Paulinho to play his usual way-defend as well as attack whenever possible. Eriksen in midfield trio to be the No10 and be chief creator. Ade to play along Soldado and occupy Stoke CBs. Hopefully,with Stoke LB suspended, may be Lamela can do some damage.
sydqcb5
To say that we need this win is a massive understatement. Anything less than 3 points will be considered absolute failure. We need to stay in touch with the leading pack. I am simply not prepared to write off this season. Since the PL inception, no season has ever been this closely fought. It clearly highlights the fact that the PL is the most popular sporting competiton in the world. I hope this competiveness continues for many years to come.
Now, on to footballing matters. Much has been made about our CB's and perhaps I am being a little bias as my wife is Romanian, but Chiriches was not involved in any of the Man C, Liverpool or West Ham games. The defensive problems and CB problem clearly starts and finishes with Dawson. How Dawson remains as our captain and defensive leader is bewildering. We sacked / pushed our manager, we absolutely must do the same with our captain. Someone with a footballing brain needs to take control on the pitch and lead by example. It is no coincidence IMO that our best PL performances have been when Kaboul was starting and made captain.
The debate continues (since the game was invented) on which formation to play. It appears that currently at THFC, not all the players are familar with their role and tactical nuances. I honestly do not know what is our best formation. What I do know, is that more controlled fluidity and movement is needed by all our players. If we are going down the 4-4-2 route then those playing out wide need to support the midfield more and drag the opposition out of their defensive shape.
COYS and to quote a fellow Australian in madabout. "WIN WIN WIN"
thenuge
i think stu_u2k makes a very decent point
tophobunty1882
harrykarry, i think it would be fair to compare both sides if both were playing in the thursday spoon, for me it always has been finish 4th or 8th to avoid the spoon.....Mrspurs if you or i had the type of chances created for us that many on here seem to feel soldado needs we would make a fist of it. windle yes to capoue and naughton right back...eriksen in a 442 in the prem ..no way 451 yes please....the pace the game is played at in italy my aunti could play alongside lamela and they could both look good, next season of course..30 mill for a not finished package, you can send things back on ebay why cant we do that in footieland?
tophobunty1882
One thing is almost 100% certain, we are not getting top 4. The sooner we accept that the better. As hard as it is, we need to drop our expectations for this season (unfortunately). It also won't concern me if we don't get 5th or 6th ( because the EL is just a hinderence). As long as we use this season to gel the team I will be happy. If there are unhappy players that want to leave then they must just go. Lloris, vert, capoue, sandro, walker, dembele, eriksen, paulinho, lamela, ade, soldado? None of them are irreplaceable so they can all go for all I care. The only one that I will miss is sandro. Would love a win against stoke but can't see that happening so hoping for a draw. Will even accept a loss if it means sherwood gets the chop - the guy just does not fill me with hope and inspiration... unqualified, unexperienced and hopelessly out of his depth. Why will he take on such a project? Just doesn't make any sense.
neymar
I would prefer seeing Capone next to Dawson today. At least to help out the aerial threats they possess. And I haven't seen him Capone doing too badly there yet. I think we will see a couple of our Central mid leaving in Jan... Way too many for 442
special too
I think we can stick vlad at RB if Ryan not ready
special too
*Capoue, of course...twice!
special too
there is an article saying "In Holland, football insiders are convinced Van Gaal will join Spurs." I hope it's true. That would be a nice project. http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-still-eyeing-louis-van-2967180
logos8
ItalianYiddo nice post about the PL financial league and top4
logos8
It's absolutely vital we pick up nothing less than 3pts. If not, come Weds evening, we could find ourselves cut adrift, with very little to play for. My optimism for top 4 has taken a battering since the West Brom game. Anything but 3pts will confirm to me that top 4 is beyond us. Top 5 even. I think a season out of the Europa would probably do our Chances for C/L a massive favour. Unfortunately revenue would be hit and squad size an issue. Re: Lamela I have been stumped as to why he hasn't been used. I don't for one single minute we will be selling.(perhaps someone should ask his brother Brian). He'll definitely be wanting games. If he's not getting assurances of more game time with us then with the World Cup then he'll be itching for a move.
strawboy
Logos - if sherwood is predictably out of his depth and the rest of the season turns into a melt-down - down the league, no euro football at all and an unhappy squad - NO top line manager will want to come. Especially with levys reputation and lack of investment of fresh funds just recycled money. If Sherwood surprises us and does quite well (I say quite well as id be more than amazed if he maintains AVBs 50 per cent + win percentage) then we are stuck with inexperienced chancer with an Arsenal tattoo on his arm. Happy days!!
StillRickyVilla
StillRickyVilla I disagree. I think you are letting the dissapointment emotions influence your judgement. I think a top manager would come considering we have bought 7 new players worth 100 mil, we have an awsome training ground and other talents like Lloris, Verts, Walker, Sandro. The lower we finish this season the better the new manager will look when he takes us in Champions League. I think a lot are looking at what Harry did and are thinking "wouldn't it be nice if I would do the same thing?"
logos8
our only problem when attracting managers is Levy's reputation regarding the sack, but such a reputation didn't stop Chelsea to attract top quality managers. It's a great challenge and you're being payed a lot of money for it so why wouldn't you come to the best league in the world? Capello, Mancini, Van Gaal, Klinsman should all be competing for the job in the summer. I might be naive, but I keep hoping. hehe
logos8
I know every single one of you on this side, whatever your views on what has happened will be willing us, urging us to win, win handsomely and with a performance to match.... And with a clean sheet. I am expecting another tough closely fought game that could either way. Not because stoke are a strong side, but because our current form and state of play is that of a mid table team. Heart says we will draw or narrow 2-1 win. Head says lose draw narrow 2-1 win. Either way our performance won't have greatly improved and our shots on target stats will be 3 or below. If, come seasons end Our performances and results haven't greatly improved, TS won't managing our club beyond May. The common theme with newly signed players down recent years was that this was a progressive club a Top 4/5 club with a lot of ambition etc. It's up to Tim And Daniel to maintain that belief that most of us and the players had bought into.
strawboy
strawboy, forget top 4 we had a minimal chance and was totally blown by sacking/pushing the manager mid season. The players have to now adapt to a new system , although the new "project" run around a bit, is easier to grasp. If we get an early goal today we might end up with 3 or 4 my big, big, worry is how Sherwood sets up his teams away I feared for the worst when I saw the Southampton line up, we got away with it on that occasion I'm not sure that's going to happen every time. Re. Lamela I agree his greatest threat will come playing up top in a 4-3-3, he can play across the top.
ItalianYiddo
Logos - I want to believe what you say. This is where we need strong leadership from levy and we dont get it. I would rather we came out and annonced now that someone like van gaal, hiddink, capello etc was starting next summer after the WC. Then the players would be right up for it knowing a top name was coming in. The danger with the current policy is we go into melt-down, dont qualify for europe at all let alone the CL and we see an exodus of some of the names you mention. Sorry for being a misery guts but I just see this as a mess now. We migjt win today we might not. But the season will prob be over by Jan. Cant see Redknapp mark 2 taking the EL seriously so we havent even got that to look forward to now.
StillRickyVilla
Tops- I'll leave you with your narrow definition of what a good owner is...I prefer to look at the bigger picture.
shedboy2
I went to a function recently with a few Spurs people...the feeling was that Hoddle was the right man to come, steady the ship til the end of the season but that Levy wouldn't have had him back. Levy is becoming more isolated but doesn't necessarily see it, it's likened to people whispering behind the kings back at court....there was also a rumour that Redknapp the younger was wanted on the staff...and if that happened there'd be a full scale revolt at the lane....
shedboy2
strawboy we have an average of 5 shots on target per game. the same as newcastle and man utd. Everton, Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City have an average of 6 per game, Liverpool 7. It's not about shots on target it's about how many of those go in.
logos8
When Townsend and Lennon are available then its possible to play an effective 4-4-2, without them it becomes problematic. We go from a team with dangerous wingers to one relying largely on the full backs for width. For some reason Dawson is the whipping boy in defence, his main crime seems to be staying fit and available for selection. Vertonghen is our best centre half, but we've played him more often at left back, Kaboul is a pasenger and Cliriches seemed to be trying to commit suicide giving the ball away against West Brom. The midfield is a mess. Sherwood tried playing both Holtby and Eriksen against West Brom, it didn't work, just left the defence with no cover. All you can hope is Tim manages to sort out an effective formation quickly.
jod
Strange times here when you lot are worried about playing Stoke at home (with two of their first 11 banned!)!!!

You have to go back to 4-3-3 as you don't have the players for 4-4-2. Not sure if Ade or Soldalgo should start up front but I'd probably go with Ade as he does offer a bit more presence than the other guy. Surely Erickson, Lamella have to both start with Lennon (if fit) and then Capoune and Paul in the middle. That midfield and forward line should be too much for Stoke who are average at best.

Anything less than 3 points and you can forget about any European football next season boys. Best of luck!! -- just not too much of it.

Galway Gooner
Shedboy - it is remarkable that someone can get through 9 managers, 3 DOFs and yet Levy himself can remain immune. As if all those (on paper) great managers turned out to be crap and Levy is the font of all knowledge. Who is the common denominator? It used to be a Levy fan club on here. Now its just the odd one or two that still stick up for him.
StillRickyVilla
Logos8- we won't pay the same sort of money for managers as Chelsea either to recruit or fire them....hence we have settled for a cheap option til the end of the season regardless of a detrimental affect on the team...there will be some good managers around in the summer though and I'm pretty sure we'll be getting one...Tim's a lame Duck and Levy's as tight as one...;)
shedboy2
StillRickyVilla Harry lacked ambition when it came to the EL and it was disappointing to many, but in way that helped him concentrate on our league form and it worked. I won't mind if we don't get Europa League for next season. The fact is it's such a shame when one of your best players gets injured because you have fixtures in Russia and Eastern Europe on dodgy pitches and wreckless tackles. Regarding the potential exodus I bet Levy can convince/force players to give us another year under a big name manager like van gaal, regardless of what we do this season (which is probably a 7th or 8th). I keep hoping and don't think the project is doomed. Levy might still have a plan, maybe van gaal has already agreed to join spurs.
logos8
logos, I can't see us attracting a top, proven winner in the ilk of a Capello, Ancelotti or Mourinho. The top names won't come to a club that has high expectations and not the finances to match them. Man City were attracting big name players before they won anything 200K a week has a magic attraction. Liverpool just offered Suarez £200k, would Levy offered that sort of money to Bale?
ItalianYiddo
logos, as I was typing I heard a journalist on Sky stating exactly what I said. Spurs have over achieved over the last few seasons with their current wage stracture.
ItalianYiddo
SRV- agree. Also add that some people seem to think doubling/quadrupling the value of the club is a good thing...trouble is that value walks out of the door when the club is sold leaving the fans to pick up the tab for ENIC's profit...the less profit they make the better....
shedboy2
Apologies if already mentioned. Not read all posts as of yet. Capoue...What will he feel like if he is overlooked today?. No Sandro, the next best DM is?. Exactly. Alienate a new signing is nor will be Tim's wisest move. Fine, you have to be strong enough to make the big calls as manager, but to omit a player who knows the role inside out and is an International standard player is ludicrous. If we want to play 4-4-2, we need a combatative type as a minimum, the other Midfielder should maybe possess more in the way of flair. Playing Eriksen and Dembele stifled their attacking element and although Dembele is a good tackler, he is best going forward. This therefore renders Eriksen's attacking prowess somewhat redundant and leaves him as the barrier ahead of defence. Not ideal, and not required. Maybe, Capoue was not started because he was required for Defensive cover, but i do feel the lad should be started in Sandro's absence, we're leaking goals.

Naughton...He is actually a very able RB, don't get the exclamation mark after his name in the article. He has covered LB role for a season and a half at times under AVB, never complained, both good and bad performances granted, but ridicule is not needed. from memory, he is actually a better defender than Walker. Not a wingback, but his defensive elements are more assured than Walkers. Let's at least give the lad a chance in his preferred position before throwing him to the lions.

4-3-3 is a set up i'd like to see. Capoue, dembele and Paulinho with Lamela, Ade/Soldado and Eriksen up top. LB/RB driving forward to provide width, with one of the Mid 3 dropping in the space vacated by the WB. 4-4-2, at times IMO still leaves us pretty open in Midfield. 4-3-3 or even a 3-5-2 for me. Either way, we need to get more power and guile on the pitch at the same time. Both systems would allowfor this. Eriksen as i recall has scored some beauties in his career coming in off the Left, Lamela, well, i know what he can do coming in of the Right. Mix this with runs from Midfield from Dembele and or Paulinho, and it kind of looks workable. 4-4-2 at present with no pace, seems like a waste of two positions. Lamela is not a winger, nor is Siggy. Chadli, Eriksen, Lamela, Ade, Soldado, Siggy, Holtby would all work better in an attacking 3 as opposed to 2 up top and two wingers IMO.
Cider spurs
logos8- it's Levy's plans that are the problem not the cure...Harry was never part of the plan but needed to rescue us from his inability to implement a DoF system...he took us higher than anyone expected... Jol stepped in after Santini, did better than anyone expected...again not part of the plan..
shedboy2
I.Y. I would much rather have kept AVB and his coaching staff until the end of the season, than Sherwood or Hoddle for that matter. No I'm not an AVB lover. That's just plain 8 year old speak. What's done is done though. And if I'm honest, I'm more attuned to what happens between now and seasons end. The only belief I have now, is that we still have an excellent squad of players and that if objectives aren't met then we will get that experienced coach (I'd be happy with van Gaal ). I don't for one minute believe players will leave. We make it tough for our top players to leave ie Berbatov Modric Bale Carrick. We also struggle to move on those that are surplus. What Levy needs to do is reassure all that the coach has left but our objectives for this and next season remain the same.
strawboy
Logos - the "project" was a motivated squad of 25 equals so we could compete on all 4 fronts (2 games a week without difficulty as the big clubs do), compete in europe (whether that be CL or EL) and win trophies which is the ultimate aim of successful big clubs. I never advocated the Redknapp policy of focussing purely on the league, never winning anything and alienating half the squad because there not enough meaningful game. But its all about opinons and what people want out of football. I want us to be winners im sick of watching john terry lift trophy upon trophy year after year. Even in AVBs first interview since leaving he said he really wanted to win a trophy for us fans this season - that was his biggest regret. How are we going to keep 25 top players happy if the summit of our ambitions is a league match once a week? Get ready for players to start angling for moves.
StillRickyVilla
SRV if van gaal comes I bet he can settle the squad and keep the players happy as long as we win every week. it's not doom and gloom... YET
logos8
the "every week" part was a way of saying 53% win rate...
logos8
See you all at the lane, later. ... Italian Yiddo and Man On....see you there !! Hopefully you are both going ..

The continuing adventures of THFC .

Ever the optimist....a win for Spurs ...3 - 1 ...

COYS....

ro6ertj
strawboy, I very much hope that the players give their all for the rest of the season, as it stands other than the Capital is all to play for. The problem is that being the manager isn't enough to get respect from the players, you have to earn it. Bringing on the kid instead of Capoue or Holtby wouldn't be my way of doing it. We'll have a clearer picture at the end of the season.
ItalianYiddo
I'm in the camp that believes T/S is just keeping the hot seat Warm.' No that doesn't mean I want him to fail'. I suppose an indication of the strength and weight behind Levys backing of Sherwood and his ideas will be when the window opens this week. If Sherwood continues with 442 then it's likely that 2/3 central midfielders will be loaned being Siggurdsson or Holtby the other being Capoue. A couple of players recalled from loans. Defoe sold. Kane involved more. And a centre back with EPL experience.
strawboy
Shedboy - ENIC are absolutely only interested in growing their investment for eventual sale. The cash cows are the PL and CL money and the stadium. Fine - as long as that results in success on the pitch and ultimately trophies. I guarantee another bone of contention between levy and AVB would have been AVBs zest and enthusiasm for winning trophies. Owners of football clubs dont care about that anymore - they just want the money that PL and CL brings. Sad state of affairs.
StillRickyVilla
ro6ertj, can't make it today, have a good one and 3-1 is a fair prediction COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Oh, and on a sidenote. If all this media tosh turns out to be true regarding Lamela going on loan or being sold. if the latter were true, i'd be well p/$$ed off if Liverpool got their mucky little paws on mohamed Salah ahead of us. A winger who gets in the box and scores goals. Can play anywhere across a three, centrally would be a 10 role not as the main striker. Mentioned him before, got shot down (not good enough i was told). IMO he is exactly the type of player we need. As for the "we don't need anymore new signings", or, "he will find the prem hard". This is only if Lennon or Lamela become surplus, and the prem being tough....He loves scoring against Chelsea. Tore Cashly Cole a new one. One of the most, if not the most exxperienced LB in the League. That's what we need, kick arse talent. If we do not sign him, i hope he comes to the prem. I'll stick my neck out and suggest he could well be one of the standout performers in the prem, he is a player who will hit the ground running IMO, it's all he knows, he certainly does not doubt his ability. Apologies for off topic....Just needed it off my chest.
Cider spurs
SRV . Agree totally re. the 'project' going for all four trophies is what we want and what the players need.

Do not understand the hate for the EL, we want the CL, well the games schedules are similar, two games a week.

Do think however that the EL format could be better, perhaps getting rid of the long journeys for the League games but, we will never get the chance to change that, at least from 2015 (I think) EL winners get CL !

Players angling for moves, can see this happening also.

COYS

ro6ertj
SRV.....I'm just sick of john Terry.
Cider spurs
I have got a recording of our league cup win over Chelsea, one of the best bits is watching John Terry go up for his losers medal
matt hoten
It's not that long ago that Stoke beat Chelsea 3-2 yes I know the Newcs beat them 5-1 but they were down to 9 men. So I don't expect an easy ride today. Hughes will have read the riot act to them so they will be up for it. Got that animal Adams to contend with too. I expect him to be targeting Erikson and Lamela and trying to cripple them. Just like he did to Bale when at Liverpool. Wonder if Palacios will get a run out against a former team? Crouch will love to score against us as well. Hard game for foreign players to acclimatise to. Still COYS and WWW.
longtimespur
We need to stop dicking around with Lamela & play him, he was special at Roma. Might not be ripping up trees but give him consecutive games. Playing time is most important, an odd start and an odd sub appearance isn't good for anyone. Lennon and Townsend are injured and I don't care Chadli or siggy shouldn't be starting ahead of him. Needs a run of 5/6 games now. Yes I rate lamela.
Kong
I.Y unless I misread you. We are still in Europe. Still in the FA Cup and after today we could be just 2 points off 4th. There's still embers of hope left in me for this season. Re, Bentleg, bringing in this kid might be an indication that Holtby and Capoue are surplus. T/S may have convinced levy that Spurs have equally/ better players at under 21 level than players currently being bought. I am hoping he will pick players on merit and pick young motivated hungry players with points to prove. I sometimes don't get that same feeling of drive and hungar from certain players.
strawboy
longtime....Exactly my sentiments. Hughes will have them fired up for this one after their last performance and result. Capoue is a must, and as mentioned i hope we go with a 4-3-3 set up.
Cider spurs
Noticed Lamelas brother has tweeted that his brother isn't moving on. @ Italian Yiddo, I misread!
strawboy
Strawboy, that's exactly what I said, plenty to play for. We'll have to agree to disagree on the Bentaleb situation. I very much like the look of the kid I just don't think it was the game to bring him on. A slap in the face for Holtby and Capoue and a sign to Levy, give me the job and I will bring young players in.
ItalianYiddo
Good shout on Salah Cider. This guy has immense talent. He would be idolised at Spurs. COYS!
James1
Good news Strawboy, Brian hasn't let us down yet. I have no doubt Lamela will come good, very good. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
Cider if we miss out on Salah it will be ridiculous, we had a head start on how good he is when he ripped us apart at WHL last season. Electric pace has been the most dangerous and exciting part of our play for the past few seasons and Salah would have kept that trend going, and at a reasonable price I reckon. Salah v Siggy/Chadli,,, no competition.
T.H.F.Chris
Kong....Agree mate, lamela is only going to improve through games. Games week in week out, a run, whatever we want to call it. Let's just b/oody play him in his best position and make him feel like he belongs. The way he has been handled IMO has been detrimental to his football. You shouln't spend circa £30 million on a player and give him a bit part role. You play him weekly to boost his confidence, he's learning nothing other than how to pull splinters outta his arse, ridiculous. I very much doubt the so called 'big clubs' would manage him this way. they tend to stand by the player, encouraging his game to improve by way of gametime, they'd certainly have played him in many more matches than we have thus far, and maybe by now would they only be benching him at times as a result of mediocre performances. We have treated him like we've seen enough already, where was i ???, i missed that. play all the player when possible in the positions that they were signed for. failing this the next best player who knows and plays the position. Why our managers of late fail to understand this beggars belief. lamela and Eriksen need plenty of games, both are quality player with a massive future ahead of them, we are currently not utilising their talents enough. the players we have at our disposal, it should be a powerful, skilful Midfield and attack. Play the right players in the right system and it would be, thing is, the managers as of yet have not played the team to it's strengths....I wish they would before the grass becomes greener elsewhere for some. We have an awesome squad, managed by trainees (Not doubting you as of yet Timmy, but in this role, you are a trainee). 4-4-2 is not the way forward for Spurs, not without capoue or Sandro. Let's lose the wingers, Chadli aside, not all too clever at crossing, and load Mf with power and have flair up top.
Cider spurs
i described the bigger picture to expand on your narrow view shed, read the article again its clear that is exactly what happened here, why turn something on its head when its clear for everyone to read shed?....i do agree Levy is isolating himself. the only way to shift him is for very large fan demo's televised....Shed what NON cheap option was available now? names and factual evidence please.
tophobunty1882
the previous manager just about killed lamelas cofidence re being able to do it in the prem by rank poor management up to sherwood to try to repair that damage, one of a few fires he needs to put out set by Arson Very Brash.
tophobunty1882
the previous manager just about killed lamelas cofidence re being able to do it in the prem by rank poor management up to sherwood to try to repair that damage, one of a few fires he needs to put out set by Arson Very Brash.
tophobunty1882
sorry for two fires
tophobunty1882
another reason has just been released for AVB being sacked, he was without the knowledge of the board secretly coaching the england cricket team to prepare them for the ashes series. have we won it yet?
tophobunty1882
Logos8 You're stating the very obvious. Can I also add that Goals win games! We've averaged 4 shots on target for December but as you rightly point out that they don't count if they don't go in or if we struggle to defend.
strawboy
italian, this lot who will come good next season, cant we sign em next season?...ho ho ho and a bottle of rum. we can call it a project if you like
tophobunty1882
i think its All Very Bad at the moment, but we have a very decent squad to help turn things round, we now need Tim to make a bit of a journey back towards where AVB had us, less inversion, more pace of movement with one holder, close the barn door he opened would be a good start, he will come good next season i am sure.
tophobunty1882
if this really works in life (which i believe it does) "you learn by your mistakes" surely you can also learn by someone elses who you have been close to, that would be good for Tim then, he has had a great teacher the last 18 months? what you think ?
tophobunty1882
So, the people has it that levy has stated we only have funds for new signings through sales. £4 million bid for shane Long (West Brom) supposedly. got to say the lad works hard for the team, but i don't want a striker running the channels.....I want one to score some b/oody goals.
Cider spurs
no to shane long Cider please, I second that motion, can we call it a project, but what if he comes good next season ?
tophobunty1882
buy now pay later? its not real money anyway, we used monopoly money to buy them 7 players, its on the balance sheet, we used Fenchurch Street station also.
tophobunty1882
does that mean we need to push funds towards a tunnel from fenchurch street to the vatican ahead of the new stadium so baldini can get in and out unoticed, fleecing us on the way?
tophobunty1882
Lol@ I.Y, Shame A family member of Levys had such a loose mouth as well. It would end all spec on what exactly happened. I wasn't disagreeing re Benteleb. You made a very good point regarding Capoue. It just might be that T/S has more faith in some of the kids he has worked with than from what he has seen so far in some of our more senior players. If that is so, then it makes a bit of a mockery our extravagant summer spending. 4 months ago we were bulking out our squad with in my view quality players, only to begin promoting U21 players. It's all very disjointed mish mash make it up as you go along. If Players like U21 players like Bentaleb are better than what we have already then fair enough. The best player for the role. It may encourage the likes of Capoue to work harder to push this kid out. Players get dropped or rested. It's now TS job to make these kind of decisions, show conviction in those decisions and equally important to manage those decisions and any fall outs/issues. If Capoue is the hard working professional that I think he is, he'll just get his head down and work harder at his game. If doesn't then we don't need.
strawboy
Levy cost cutting exercise, Sherwood in AVB out, waiting to see how this works out, has Van Gaal in mind after the world cup, at what cost, if this guy is cheaper he may well go for the White Van Driver?
spu 4 life
spu4 Always Very Boring was only on 150 quids a week wasnt he, cheapskate Levy, or did he use part of park lane to pay for him.
tophobunty1882
Big day today ... went for a bike ride , got *****ed, and now waiting for our 3-0 win! Hope I can make it through the night as the game is at Midnight!! Don't expect much sense from me now (as usual!).
Geofspurs
THF Chris, Saleh was very ordinary in the second leg of that game last season, would like to base future signings on more that one game, or he will come good next season or sometime in the future. I know its only monopoly money but I like monopoly. By the way I have just emailed the club asking if i can pay for my next tickets using monopoly money, i explained the reason is because posters on here have been saying the club doesnt use real money to buy players with, I think that's fair dont you? I hope I have not made a twart of myself saying the club doesnt use real money to buy players, what do you think?
tophobunty1882
I expect stoke to come here and shut up shop, after the newcastle mauling they'll just not wantito be beaten. This will really show what Sherwood is about but my prediction is a one nil victory for spurs with 65+% possession and twenty+ shots on goal.
Slurms McKenzie
Goef you might have time to cycle round the world, the mice need longer to get the last 18 months out of their system.
tophobunty1882
oh just noticed Pulis didnt play a highline away to City yesterday, genius. Would never have even dreamed it.
tophobunty1882
Hobsons choice at the back, chiriches or Capoue, if sherwood plays Chirivhes at "CB" then Capoue has to start as covering defensive midfielder.
Slurms McKenzie
ro6ertj…… Hello……….... I'm a masochist and a fool with my money. So yes, I'll be at WHL as well. Have a good one…….. COYS!
MAN ON!
Topho as long as you pay before the festive season is over it will be accepted.
T.H.F.Chris
Sir Les up front with Sherwood in the hole……..
MAN ON!
Man On go got monopoly in the loft? try buying a pie with it at WHL today, see if they let you, I know it's not real money but........
tophobunty1882
agree Slurms
tophobunty1882
thf chris, but i want monopoly money plus buy now pay later because they will only be possibly good next season, deal?
tophobunty1882
thf chris, but i want monopoly money plus buy now pay later because they will only be possibly good next season, deal?
tophobunty1882
This game can go 3 or 4- 1 either way. Not looking forward to it as they have the Crouch to lob bals at all game. Is our defence even able to think about dealing with him especially if we stupidly try to play that high line with yet again no bloody pace in our tortoise like defence.
chrishove123
MAN ON ... a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do ... give em a COYS from me, mate!
Geofspurs
The beer and pies should be free. As you have to cue for 15 mins and consume before you head back to your seat, they should be considered as part refund on your ticket. Why? Because you're guaranteed to miss 5 mins of the second half.
MAN ON!
2 very important messages ... 1) 3-0 to Spurs, and 2) Why does Bacardi make your head spin?! Apart from that, it's all good!
Geofspurs
If only we bought Benteke, he's taking Villa to new heights. Or is it relegation lows?
ItalianYiddo
I will, Geofspurs…...
MAN ON!
Man on, disgraceful what us football fans have to put up with. What other business would survive charging top dollar and provide such awful facilities.
ItalianYiddo
ManOn yes the service is slow in the stands too I have noticed. Did AVB manage pie distribution too?...boom boom...Italian, you are so intelligent and a tad desperate now I see. Let's see how he gets on when he plays at a club he wants to play at or indeed is not injured....keep trying but AVB has been sacked twice in the prem...2 out of 2...he aint coming back, thatnk feck for that, what a tosser he was hey? you can put your knob away now....
tophobunty1882
I predict a dull 1:1 draw, a lame defeat at Man U followed by humiliation at the hands of Arsenal. We will finish ninth and get knocked out of the Europa League by Benfica at the last sixteen stage. Somehow we have gone from a Champions League team with the likes of Bale, Modric and van de vart back to mid table no hopers in lest than four years. Well done Daniel Levy. You are so good at sacking people, can you please sack yourself. You have no ambition for our great club!
jonathan01
What's the odds that we'll see Bentaleb partnered with Eriksen in the middle………..? I really hope Crouch doesn't come back to haunt us. He's due at least one good game a season. Probably still fancies his chances for the World Cup…….
MAN ON!
italian you really seem to displike this club so much, why dont you wait to see where lover boy ends up next and go support them, then you might like the club you support. He might end up in Italy, that would suit his style.
tophobunty1882
Bentaleb to be loaned out in January? I don't think Capoue will be ignored, he should be played eventually.
logos8
Anger management session required urgently, toys out of the pram again.
ItalianYiddo
jonathan01…. Have a nice day! ;-)
MAN ON!
logos8…. I hope so, about Capoue….. Bentaleb does look a confident and very good player though.
MAN ON!
jonathon ... Don't mention Modric!!
Geofspurs
tophobunty1882 nice point about pulis and palace at the etihad but city also made 7 changes to their lineup. no aguero, no negredo, no yaya, no nasri... you throw 3 of those in and the game would have been a lot different despite the well organized crystal palace.
logos8
So much anger and vitriol. Or just a wind-up merchant. Im starting to lean towards the latter.
StillRickyVilla
jonathan yes Levy made the mistake of emply the biggest twart this club ever employed judging by the timeline you have just explained. but AVB has gone now so hope returns and hopefully the players can start expressing themselves handcuffs removed, or did he use footcuffs, looked like it.....ManOn classic Crouch due one good game per season....love it, next week please
tophobunty1882
I'm going to Old Trafford on NYD, can anyone recommend a pre-match pub for a sad old Spurs fan?
MAN ON!
yes, please don't mention Modric. I miss him so much.
logos8
There's a rumour that Bale and Modric are set to return now that we have a world-class Head coach at the helm.
MAN ON!
**** **** ****
logos8
there is a rumour that Levy wants to get all required coaching badges
logos8
Erikssen will be our modric. And Lanela will be our bale. They just need time.
StillRickyVilla
watching Hoddle pre match chat pains me that we didnt get him in to do this job.
tophobunty1882
StillRickyVilla, I bloody well hope so. Really would like to see Lamela start today…...
MAN ON!
SRV I have all the time and all the patience but can we get a vdv too?
logos8
Hello mates on VitalSpurs. Much looking forward to the match in three hours. One could even say, using American slang, I am stoked. A new era for Spurs is taking place and needs some patience to unfold, but patience is not a common virtue to be found on this site. Anyway, the site needs a fool to play the foil against Harry Percy and Prince Hal. (Any supported of Hotspurs must know these characters.) Remember this, only a fool cannot be insulted, so it's open season.
Falstaff the Fool
SRV...smile...i like a bit of fun now and then......thats a good point logos, would prbably have been 4 then. Yes to Capoue today.
tophobunty1882
Eriksen will be good, he has shown genuine signs of that, as good as Modders...eeermmmm not sure and different. Lamela and Bale i have seen nothing. logos, why do we want someone who can only play 60 mins? if you really want one, buy Ben Arfa in January. VDV with pace.
tophobunty1882
So this is it the last game of 2013, it would be so good to go out with a win and those much needed 3pts, as for trying to work out what ''Team Tim'' is going to play is very hard indeed. Good Luck and i hope we all feel good at the end of it.
spu 4 life
It's all too easy to have a go at Dawson and Chiriches, but playing without a defensive central midfielder to protect them is costing us. With Sandro still out, Capoue has to start in central midfield please. Partnering him should be a box-to-box player like Paulinho, now that he's available and Dembele might not be. For all their technical abilities, Eriksen, Holtby and Siggy are not steely enough, which is why we have been losing our recent midfield battles. Also, with Walker suspended, we should go with Fredericks at right back instead of Naughton, who seems low in confidence.
hiano
If sack and sugar be a fault, God help the wicked!
MAN ON!
Great news, Van Persie is fit for Spurs game,let`s hope not,he`s ridiculously good.
Fanny adams
COYS! Have a good one…...
MAN ON!
hiano, very good point about the defence not getting cover. Sandro is massive for us in that midfield, in his absence Capoue should be in there and for certain games both.
ItalianYiddo
hiano, thats how it should be set up
tophobunty1882
I'm up for trying something new this afternoon what you guys think of trying a front 3 of lamela saldado and Kane. We haven't win at home in the league since October so they can't do any worse. Other options are courthist or ade
gibbothfc
Lloris ;
Naughton, Dawson Chiriches Rose;
Lamela Eriksen Paulinho Chadli;
Soldado Adebayor
Fanny adams
Fanny swap Soldado for Capoue, very little difference in goals from open play, althgough Capoue hasnt played so much as the "world class man to hit the ground running"....and he can protect the back 4 slightly better too.
tophobunty1882
tophobunty1882 I know what you`re saying but 4-4-2 works better for me.Soldado is not a loan striker & Adebayor is shockingly lazy,Defoe is Defoe.

Maybe swap Capoue for paulinho,i`m undecided on Paulinho & am never sure if i like him or not.

I`d def like to see Eriksen Lamela & Soldado start the same game.Why Not?
Fanny adams
Yet another name thrown into the mix for our new manager. ........ http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/357826/EXCLUSIVE-Tottenham-keeping-tabs-on-Atletico-Madrid-boss-Diego-Simeone?utm_source=ExactTarget&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Daily+Star&utm_content=%%%3dRedirectTo(%40LINK)%3d%%&utm_campaign=DailyStar_DailyNewsletter
chrishove123
6 out of the magic 7 to start today?
logos8
Strong winds in the north east, keeps blowing the arse players over, then they roll about crying foul, hope Ozil being out is nothing trivial, do with Giroud getting smashed, come to that any of the b@stewards.
spu 4 life
Soldado is not a prem striker this far, hope that changes. But thats why I would change that way we get the back four protected, play set up well from deep and more creativity around Ade. I think he will play Soldado and if he does for all our sakes hope he scores at least one, it will do us and his confidence good.
tophobunty1882
Lloris, Fredericks, Dawson, Chiriches, Rose, Lamela, Eriksen, Bentaleb, Siggy, Ade, Soldado.
spu 4 life
can i pick my england team now to start the world cup?
tophobunty1882
magic?........spu4 why do you think Siggy warrants a place?
tophobunty1882
I wouldn't mind if siggy leaves in January
logos8
call them super 7 if that sounds better
logos8
I think Sigurdsson is so $hit i wouldn`t even put him on the bench.
Fanny adams
December would be better logos
tophobunty1882
If we're going with youngsters, Coulthirst and Bentelabe to start. They can't do any worse than our "regular" players.
chrishove123
Bentaleb rather. LOL
chrishove123
whaatt?
logos8
yep! "The magic 7". When we finally get a manager who sets us up in a formation to best suit their style, all will be revealed. until then, glimpses of what could be, nothing more. Right players, right positions, right formations. how many times this season??. 4-3-3 is where it's at for most of our attacking signings. I'm still well happy with our squad.
Cider spurs
Cider spurs I am happy with our squad too that's why I think there is a decent manager out there who would want to come here.
logos8
very reasonable Cider
tophobunty1882
scezney hits remy in the face with the ball and it almost goes in. would have been a nice equaliser.
logos8
logos...I'm more than happy with the van Gaal links. Trouble being with one exception, he has always took time to create title/cup winning sides. For me no problem, for some.......Why haven't we won this and that all within the first 3 months i'd guess. Some consider him arrogant, but to be fair, he has kind of earnt a right to self promote. Think he would have more pulling power than Tim'll fix ix it. We'll see.
Cider spurs
Lloris, Naughton, Chiriches, Dawson, Fryers, Lennon, Paulinho, Dembele, Eriksen, Adebayor, Soldado
tophobunty1882
Cider wouldn't it be loverly if we played players in their proper positions, but they won't all fit in a 4-4-2, so we'll have to hope Sherwood is a bit more tactical than given credit on here. Be a first if we scored in the first 15 minutes of the game. Haven't all season in the EPL. Mind we've only scored 1.05 goals per match so it's no surprise. lol
longtimespur
Team v Stoke: Lloris, Naughton, Dawson, Chiriches, Fryers, Lennon, Paulinho, Dembele, Eriksen, Adebayor, Soldado. #THFC
longtimespur
And our subs today: Friedel, Fredericks, Veljkovic, Capoue, Bentaleb, Chadli, Lamela. #THFC
longtimespur
dembele, lennon, paulinho? we will get the 3 points. COYS ps. where is rose?
logos8
That defence is dreadful ha ha,even Crouch could have a good game today & knock one in.

What Adebayor are we going to see today? he`s so Jekyl & hyde but when he`s on his game.the whole team play better,but when he`s lazy he`s unbelievably lazy.
Fanny adams
Stoke line-up: Sorensen, Pieters, Palacios, N'Zonzi, Shawcross, Walters, Cameron, Assaidi, Crouch, Wilkinson, Ireland. According to @spurs Dembele left side and Lennon right
longtimespur
great to see dembele back. I did not know he was available.
logos8
topho...you'd think it b/oody obvious more than reasonable. Only thing obvious to me this season is the fact that we have not set up the right way, nor played the correct players in the correct positions all too often. Strange, baffling, bonkers. With that powerhouse of a Mf and Eiksen and Lamela up top, we should be scoring for fun. Soldado i feel will finally start scoring the chances have improved, but we should have way too much power, pace and skill, just set up correctly as each match dictates. like today, do we need wingers?, i think not we have no pace. 4-3-3 and let's have runners from MF by means of dembele and paulinho, DM Capoue very adept at passing from deep, unleash Lamela Right, Eriksen Left both having a free type role with Ade or Soldado to finish. lot more robust than 4-4-2 and most probably will create more chances. We'll see, but again 4-4-2 no doubt.
Cider spurs
eriksen left i reckon
tophobunty1882
logos8 don't know about Rose he's not on subs either. Maybe Fryers for his height. All 7 in squad, 3 on bench or 4 in starting 11.
longtimespur
3 points off 4th if we win. Come On You Spurs!
logos8
We were 10 off the top now it's 12! Ars won 1-0 Everton 2-1
longtimespur
Cider Spurs, would you be happy with Dieago Simeone coming here from Atletico Madrid? Rumours are that we are looking at him to come here in the summer. He is a proven winner.
chrishove123
Fanny adams, you've changed your name but your ability to break this site with the same mistake never changes!
Guyver
Dunno what's up with my spelling today, maybe too much Christmas cheer. LOL DIEGO SIMEONE is who I meant.
chrishove123
Looks as if Defoe is a goner in Jan.?
Critical_Spur
longtime...if correct and Dembele left side. Then Tim is again showing his naivety. Paulinho box to box, who's left to shield the defence?, that's right Eriksen,the player so many have stated needs to toughen up somewhat, oh and against Stoke. feck this sheit if this is the way forward, AVB was poor he was ruining all that i loved about my club, namely the beautiful football, sherwood is just going to make us a laughing stock. i honestly believe i could have set us up better than this. All this tosh that Capoue is needed for CB cover, why was he not started against W.Brom?, fryers could've covered CB. Absolute rubbish, no Dm to shield a second string backline, not going to get a great deal from MF going forward when they have to defend, put Eriksen in by all means, but two attacking types?. Schoolboy error IMO.
Cider spurs
Seems Sherwood really doesnt rate Capoue. He can't even get a game with others injured.
Guyver
Chris...More than happy with Simeone, especially if he brings Diego Costa. That would be sweet.
Cider spurs
Longtime, we are 11 points off top mate ;). Where the heck is rose?
spurfect one

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kishaloy_nag_blue
Other than our defence i like the look of the team today, should be goals at both ends, im going for 2-2. I feel sorry for Lamela, wants to settle, trying to settle but barely get's any playing time. Play the lad he is class, please dont sell or loan him we will regret it. And for Capoue aswell, play them Sherwood.
WizYid
No left sided attacking player so it's a square peg in a round hole, fryers can't do what Rose does, @ 20/1 done stoke to win 2/1 and 7/1 to win the game Crouch first goalscorer
spu 4 life
Lamela!,Lamela!, Everybody knows his name, Lamela!, Lamela!...give him a b/oody game.
Cider spurs
I see Soldado is starting again up front with Adebayor. At the rate he's scoring, might as well play Brad Friedel in his place as a forward. Think he'll ever get untracked?
Falstaff the Fool
Rose is injured
tophobunty1882
Rose has got to be one of the biggest babies we've ever had. Always injured or carrying a knock. Even when he plays he's always limping or moaning when anyone comes near him. Man up for god's sake.
WizYid
I would have liked to seen Crouch up top with Soldado today, we should never have sold such a class striker, lie on your ass, rub face, his the missing link
spu 4 life
Capoue was considered a great signing by many pundits in the summer, some were suggesting we had him so cheap it was a steal. If Tim'll fix it, has already rendered him surplus to requrements then it is nothing short of farcical. If we lose a very decent player just because sherwood does not rate him, then sorry guys, Tim can feck right off. Capoue is a quality Dm, not such a good defender, but a b/oody great back up to Sandro. If Timmy wants to show of his young pups, fine do it in the cups or when a game is well and truly won. I hope Timmy is not on some kind of ego trip, trying all these out of the box ideas to make him look amazing and radical if they come off. just play the right players in the right positions in the right set up at all times. One of the MFers today is a mistake. Why no Capoue vs W.Brom?.
Cider spurs
Rose got a knock vs WBA, did'nt we all, we drew 1-1
spu 4 life
Spu 4 life, But Ade is a better dancer than Crouch! Even the ref took time to watch him against Southampton!
Critical_Spur
Sherwood is going to get us the 3 points
logos8
http://www.lag10.com/channel14
ItalianYiddo
Best i`ve ever seen Pailinho,sheer class today.Really looks like he`s adapted to the EPL,never been too sure on him,hot & cold,but by far the best player on the pitch today.
Fanny adams
And some of you dont rate paulinho!
LongTimeSpursFan64
Paulinho seems to be so comfortable without avb. LOL
logos8
I can already see paulinho and erikson in the champions league. Hopefully in spurs shirts.
logos8
I think Paulinho has heard Real Madrid are interested in him. Good half nice attacking footy shame about the finishing should be at least 2 -0.
Rapm
Paulinho obviously needed that 3 match rest(suspension)!
Guyver
Paulinho MOM so far, looks the 3 match rest has done him the world of good.
ItalianYiddo
Really good first half.Best player easily Paulinho,,,,,Adebayor superb today.

Big shout goes out to Kyle Naughton,who IMO is far better at Walker at right back.If Naughton keeps this up then it will cruel & unfair to reward him by putting the calamity Walker in.
Naughton V Walker? For me Naughton all day long.

Stoke should`ve had a penalty,Dawson is a clumsy oaf & needs replacing as soon as the first opportunity arrives,he`s having a nightmare season.
Fanny adams
logos8, Yes I hope it will be in Spurs shirts as well.
chrishove123
We've bossed their midfield. pauki, Dembele + Eriksen in full control. Should've been out of sight by now. Even Chiriches and Ftyers look comfortable! COYS!
Critical_Spur
The first game i have seen that i have been really impressed by Paulinho. We're like bugs to a flame. One or two tricks and it's eeeeeeeeeeeewh Shiny! Impressed with him. The midfield 3 of Dembele, Eriksen and Paulinho looks quite good. I leave Lennon out because he has been awful. Whats that 13 league games no assists no goals? last goal 9 months ago? Dawson and Lennon are awful and getting worse. Impressed with Naughton. Unfair of him to lose all faith from the fans with him being played out of position. Can anyone think of one moment where Lennon had anywhere near as good as an impact as that slide-rule pass played to him by Naughton? Lennon is a passenger. No attacking influence what so ever and no effort tracking back. He also looks to have lost his pace. But the commentators feel 'he's been part of spurs attacking threat'... eh.
Declan Walker
WOW from paulinho.

Big C
Lennon $hit? I take it you did not see his perfect set up for ade? or his numerous dangerous crosses?
spurfect one
If any of you watched Corinthians beat Chelsea in the World Club Cup in Yokohama for the world club championship, Paulinho's performance in the first half today was not surprise. He outplayed the Chelsea midfield in that match.
Falstaff the Fool
Soldado is deadly from 12 yds worth every penny we paid for him, outstanding first half, best first half since the last one, Lennon is going to break his duck today and provide an assist, nice to see Raheem Stirling has adapted the Lennon way of running, FFS spurs, this team is shi7 put some goals past them. If we could get another 8 pens we could be +3 GD.
spu 4 life
FFS I entered the html correctly
spurfect one
And Brad Friedal replacing Soldado at forward scored a nice penalty, no?
Falstaff the Fool
If we could finish we'd be quite good. Games always nervous when it's a 1 goal lead, how about a goal from open play. Paulinho what a player.
WizYid
Fixed it :)
spurfect one
Amazingly we are STILL only 3 points off the CL places if the results stay the same. Man utd game almost becomes a CL play off!
StillRickyVilla
And to put things in perspective, this is probably the worst Stoke team we have ever played. If we can't add to the tally then there is no hope! COYS!
Critical_Spur
big c is that you? declan walker
logos8
If we could finish our attacks we would be up by three today and plus seven for the season, at least.
Falstaff the Fool
I really can't think of why you would critizise Lennon after that performance
spurfect one
Not much wrong with this. How good is Paulinho?! two more goals to come!
Geofspurs
Adebayor's played well today, but he's missed two goals he should have scored.
Falstaff the Fool
One negative, in a game where we have been absolutely dominant, Dawson still manages to mess up the single crucial play he had to make. Lucky not to give away a penalty. He is so poor when players run at him with pace.
Guyver
logos8 NO it aint.I couldn`t have described Lennon as perfectly as that.
Lamela for Lennon at half time for me.
Fanny adams
Big C, Lamela for Lennon? You really do have baffling comments at times
spurfect one
glad to see no one criticizing tim for not playing capoue. dembele, pauli and erik bossing things around in midfield. hope we do play him against man utd and chelsea though. come on guys 2 more goals to improve our goal difference.
logos8
A bit harsh on Lennon today F-a. He's controlled the rhs and put several crosses in. Not his fault that we faff about in the penalty area.
Critical_Spur
Lennon is *****. He is awful. His best ever stat 8 years ago were 8 goals and 5 assists. He is nothing without his pace, and he doesnt seem to have that. No tracking back. No assists. No goals. He is exactly the problem we have seen all season from Spurs. With players like VDV, Modric, Bale, Berbatov his lack of anything can get over looked. But when there is no one else. And trully he should have been the main man from the wing this season, In stead Assists 0 goals 0
Declan Walker
Lennon is *****. He is awful. His best ever stat 8 years ago were 8 goals and 5 assists. He is nothing without his pace, and he doesnt seem to have that. No tracking back. No assists. No goals. He is exactly the problem we have seen all season from Spurs. With players like VDV, Modric, Bale, Berbatov his lack of anything can get over looked. But when there is no one else. And trully he should have been the main man from the wing this season, In stead Assists 0 goals 0
Declan Walker
I really fed up with Soldado. He is supposed to have been brought in because of his clinical finishing, how many chances has he had recently and missed them and then he goes missing. He was not in the area at times when he should be, walks about out on the wings when he should be busting a gut to get into the area. He needs to step up imo just cannot take to him, he has had so many chances now and he is not taking them and his work rate is not good enough imo
WorldPeace
Pretty depressing I think. Same old, same old, loads of possession and NO end product, very loose back end, on the pitch and from me. LOL. All very well and good Pauli playing his pretty pretty stuff, but FECKING WELL SCORE WILL YOU.
chrishove123
WorldPeace The ball in to Adebayor for the penalty was by Soldado(i think).IMO they link up really well,but do agree he needs to start finishing better.
Fanny adams
Adam coming on very soon. Oh dear.
chrishove123
Another great set up from lennon, what more can he do?
spurfect one
AGain Soldado strikes like he's imitating Friedel as a striker. OHHH.
Falstaff the Fool
StillRickkyVilla, records show that if we're not in the top four or thereabout (meaning 5th or 6th) by Christmas, we're not going to finish in the top four by season's end. Having seen all the teams above us so far, and going by what I've seen, we don't deserve CL qualification. The top four teams for me so far are Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton. We have a better chance to qualify by winning the Europa League than we do by finishing 4th.
hiano
Good grief, can our so called top top strikers not even get the bloody ball on target. This is so pathetic I despair of them ever scoring again from open play. We should be at least three up by now.
chrishove123
Hope Defoe is back soon. Another easy chance missed by Soldado. He seems devoid of confidence.
Harry's wife could have scored that one! :0)
Hotspur 1882
Charlie Adam remains a dirty little focker.
Falstaff the Fool
Shame Paulinho had to go off. Adam AGAIN responsible!
Hotspur 1882
Charlie Adam strikes again..
Guyver
That goal surely surprised me in the way mousse did it!
Falstaff the Fool
Great goal by Dembele,should do that more.Sublime
Deserved,one sided game of football
Fanny adams
You can see why so many teams, including Stoke, oh so casually give away corners against us. Because all teams in Britain KNOW we find it impossible to score from corners. Typical isn't it, our second goal has to come from our midfielder and NOT our strikers YET AGAIN.
chrishove123
2 points behind liverpool. no plan. no project. it's doom and gloom.
logos8
There`s a moose on the loose in the hoose.
Fanny adams
Just as I said. Soldado edge of the area makes a small pass then actually jogs backwards to the side, made no attempt in get into the area, as a centre forward he should be making that run, he is not doing his job imo and again we have a midfielder score, Soldado will not score if he sheds his responsibility of getting into the area.
WorldPeace
I don't think there is a single Stoke player I like.
Rapm
That one was for Big C.
Falstaff the Fool
3-0 Tim Sherwood out! we played 3 games under him and we scored 3 in 2 of them. It's a travesty I tell you. Bring AVB back.
logos8
BIG C shhhhhhhhh Great goal lennon
spurfect one
Lennon is great :) end of discussion.
Rapm
Damn does nothing all game then gets goal of the game,more of that
Fanny adams
We hadnt scored 3 goals in a game in 8 months, then AVB is sacked and we score 3 goals twice in 4 games.... hmm.
Guyver
Hmmm Azzer is really sheit isn't he? YET AGAIN, another goal NOT scored by our two so called strikers.
chrishove123
Hiano, its ludicrous to rule us out - we could be 3 points adrift with still half the season to go! I disagree with your assessment of our rivals. I think Man City, Chelsea have far too good squads and are gone. Arsenal too. But the 4th place is v.much up for grabs if Man u continue to struggle under moyes and liverool/everton have zero strength in depth.
StillRickyVilla
Now let's see Freidel score a couple.
Falstaff the Fool
TS 3 EPL games. 7 goals. no loss. AVB 16 games 15 goals
logos8
Twice in 3 games i mean.
Guyver
MY motm Lennon by far. Set up 2 clear goalscoring opportunities and scored a cracker
spurfect one
good performance....tim just may be able to do something with a full squad.....coys
rovinella62spurs
Great goal Azzer. Eat your heart out Big c wherever you are, or whoever you are on here now.. HA HA HA. About time Lamela was played.
chrishove123
For me I think that's Azzer's best goal in Lillywhite, not the most important though.
stu_u2k
It's so easy to blame Levy and Sherwood when we draw at home with dembele, pauli, lennon injured. It's so easy to defend AVB with the gelling excuse. Fact is we changed the manager and we are suddenly scoring goals and it's not a coincidence. I am not saying TS is the answer, I am just saying maybe AVB was just not good enough.
logos8
Whoever has said Lamela is short of confidence is a fool. Just look at him, he oozes confidence.
chrishove123
Fanny, I don't know what you have against Walker and Lennon but I'll bet more Spurs supporters would rather have these two on the right flank than the very lightweight Naughton and Lamela. Would be an interesting subject for a poll.
hiano
Handbags between Ade and Lamela?
Rapm
Sorry, but much as we look good against Stoke, so we bloody well should against a second string Stoke team. What is really annoying is that our strikers just can't score from open play against what is virtually a second team for Stoke. Pretty pathetic really. I just await with dread what will happen when we play the real teams coming up like Le Arse, Manure and Citeh.
chrishove123
hiano TBH we`re playing Stoke at home.IN EPL history this fixture is so one sided on Spurs side that it`s to be expected.
They need to prove it on New years day,one goal in 10 months doesn`t make Lennon a great player.He needs to do this more consistently & asisst more consistently.
I used to rate Walker but imo Naughton is better.
i`d prefer lamela & naughton Over walker & lennon.
Fanny adams
We should be at the very least five to seven up by now. If our so called strikers could score.
chrishove123
Good ole Sherwood. He knows what being a Yid is all about. We got our Tottenham back.
jerkinmahjurgen
nice day, no? happy days are here again. (at least for now; don't give up home ye who enjoy complaining.) well done Timmy and the lads. well done.
Falstaff the Fool
This is no different from when we had to rely on a certain Gareth Bale to save us because our so called strikers back then couldn't score either. When will we get in someone who is a striker that can actually score. If we were playing any other team with a decent strike force we would have had serious problems at the back. Sorry but for me this win just exposes our frailties all the more.
chrishove123
Stoke were so poor it`s hard to judge how good we were.Terrible performance by Stoke & if only everyone who came to the lane played like that.
Even Cheriches looked good.There`s nothing we can take from this game except 3 points.Shocking game of football by Stoke
Fanny adams
Who keeps breaking the sites?
Slurms McKenzie
Chrishove, chelsea's strikers have hardly been banging them in yet they are 2 points off top. I could not care less who scores as long as we win and our tempo was like it was today. The main positive is Soldado is now getting into some very good positions, something we have not seen all season.
spurfect one
Good result to build confidence and liked our movement on the ball very much...but poor display by Stoke. Need to be more ruthless in front of goal. Great goals from Dembele and Lennon
mountainyid
Fanny we've struggled to beat awful teams at the lane this season. AS bad as the opposition might be we still have to go and beat them. Good confidence booster before the united game - the first real teat of the new Spurs under Sherwood Lets hope he can maintain his unbeaten record in the premiership!
Slurms McKenzie
Well done boys and Sherwood, was hoping that Soldado would score from open play. Maybe he's waiting to score a hat trick at Old Trafford. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
spurfect one, there is no point in getting in good positions if you can't even get the ball on target, far better to leave it to someone who can actually score.
chrishove123
Our Achilles heel was creating chances and scoring goals against the weaker teams, especially at WHL. Today was promising at least.
Guyver
Well over TWENTY shots today, hardly any on target and only TWO scored from open play. That is pathetic. We need to learn to finish, and then we might just deserve a top four place.
chrishove123
Goals from all over the squad, which is good to see, the players are still adjusting to having the shackles off and playing free flowing footie, you can see the tempo of our game has been increasing with every passing ninety minutes. Great game to get Noughton and Fryers on the pitch and walkers ban didn't effect us at all!
Slurms McKenzie
great point spurfect one, I was thinking about the same thing. Chelsea have not looked great defensively and their strikers are not scoring but the team still scores enough and gets the job done.
logos8
Great to be right back on track. 3 points off the top 4. All to play for at Old Trafford.
StillRickyVilla
chrishove, it will come mate, Every striker goes through a patch that Soldado is going through, best to support him while he's on this bad run.
spurfect one
chrishove I believe it was twenty one attempts on goal 7 on target and three goals - so 1 in 3 shots on target and nearly half of them resulted in a goal. Can really complain considering the stats after the newcastle game!
Slurms McKenzie
your team wins 3-0 with one of the best performances this season but you still think it's pathetic. great supporter.
logos8
Pleased for the lads and TS. We played well and Stoke didn't play at all but that's their problem. Soldado is beyond a joke now. I would play Dembele up front with Ade. Love the positivity in our play but wonder how TS will play it against Utd and Arsenal....I think we are likely to be slaughtered but hope TS has other ideas. COYS!
Harry-Kari
Guyver, we were creating plenty of chances under AVB, it's just that we couldn't score at all. Now we can score it is our defence that is having problems. As I said I am seriously worried as to what will happen against Manure, Le Arse and Citeh. All three of them may well tear our back four a new one in each game. We NEED to get our strikers scoring as well.
chrishove123
Charlie Adam going over the top again catches Paulinho putting him out of the game. So that's 7pts from 9, good return 3 more wins and we will be safe, poor poor stoke side to say the least, but a win is a win and happy about that. Not long to wait for another on wednesday and a little cup run would be good, couple of easy fixtures coming up.
spu 4 life
Levy out for not appointing Sherwood 18 months ago!
Slurms McKenzie
I'd have played Lamela insted of Soldado, especially as Soldado was drifting all over the place. Might as well give Lamela that role..
Guyver
chrishove123 they were criticizing giroud too last season but he came good in the second season. Sometimes suporters need to show more hope and patience. I don;t understand why are you so negative after such a pozitive performance and our best scoreline of the season
logos8
Cheers logos. What is becoming evident is more and more premier league teams are relying on goals from all over the MF and strikers. Yes it is a concern that our strikers are not being clinical enough, but the biggest concern was when our strikers weren't even getting into goal scoring positions.
spurfect one
chrishove123, shots from 55 yards don't count as chances created. I don't recall Soldado missing the type of chances he's missing now, when he was playing in AVB's system. For the 1st time we can now legitimately start to question Soldado's finishing ability and value to the 1st team. It wasn't fair to criticise him under AVB, quality chances were simply not being created.
Guyver
Happy days only 2 more wins for safety lads..............LOL
longtimespur
Also, as I mentioned above, we had not scored 3 goals in a league game in 8 months! AVB is sacked and suddenly we score 3 goals twice in 3 games and both scores could and should have been more. Can't be coincidence.
Guyver
Very difficult to make any sort of assessment over the 3 PL games we have played so far with Sherwood in charge but 7 points is exactly what you would have expected on paper. There some challenging games ahead we will get a better idea on where we are going over the next 6 games or so.
ItalianYiddo
Well done Geofspur you got one right !! 3-0 lol.
longtimespur
spot on guyver. It can't be a coincidence when you score 3 twice in 2 games after such a drought. The team spirit looks more convincing now. If we would have had dembele, pauli and lennon against wba we probably could have won that one too.
logos8
Guyver, we WERE pathetic. If we couldn't look good against a second rate team that had to field a second string team then there is no hope. You say Soldado is getting into good positions, but what good is that if he can't score? Better to leave it to someone who can. Look at how many shots we had and how many were on target. We had well over twenty goes at it and only TWO went in from open play. That IS pathetic. We SHOULD have won by at least SEVEN goals today, but because our strikers are seemingly ON strike from scoring we could only amass a paltry three goals, one of which was a penalty. IF we are going to have pretensions of top four and regular CL we HAVE to do better than this. Also we may be scoring, but we are shipping as well so we need to do something about the goal difference, and IF our TWO strikers were scoring we would have a very healthy one by now. Of course a 55 yard shot is a chance, if there weren't an opening seen the shot wouldn't be taken on, so IMO yes it IS a chance. Any shot AT goal is a chance and has to be counted as such and that puts the shots attempted up into the thirties for the whole game. Now THAT IS a pathetic return. I think you have just put on your rosy tinted glasses because we scored three but as I said we SHOULD have had at the very LEAST SEVEN.
chrishove123
chrishove123 we looked much better under avb didn't we?
logos8
logos8 I am a realist and a pragmatist, as a Spurs supporter I have to be, and as such I can't praise a performance that is nothing short of what it should have been, minus of course the goals that should have been scored as well. If we play like this against Manure, Citeh and Le Arese and win all three in this fashion THEN I will say we were great, but to say we were great against this shower is like saying I played against a bunch of ten year olds and beat them,
chrishove123
yes logos8 , I agree re WBA. To clarify IY, im not saying Sherwood is the answer, especially after only 3 games, but the recent performances do amplify the tactical flaws and boring, sleep inducing football, we unnecessarily had to endure for 18 months under AVB. Too much talk about gelling, when in reality, a lot of our problems could have been resolved if AVB was prepared to make the necessary adjustments.
Guyver
chrishove123 if you are so negative about this performance I don't even want to imagine how you reacted to the performances against hull, west ham, cardiff, newcastle, man city, liverpool
logos8
logos8 it's not down to whether we looked better or not, it is down to us getting the results we SHOULD be getting, and today was a huge disappointment for us in front of goal. as I said we SHOULD have scored at the very least SEVEN, three of which were absolute sitters with one an almost open goal. NOW take THAT into context and we didn't do very well at all did we, just imagine how many Citeh would have scored. 7, 8 or 9, maybe into double figures, THAT is the way we NEED to score. not missing chance after chance after chance until it gets so bad that all I think when we get a corner is, well a corner is safer than a goal kick for them as we never score from corners. Like I said look at how casually they gave away corners KNOWING we can't score from them STILL. Even back in Arry's day we couldn't score from corners, TWENTY corners in ONE game and we never had a goal from any of them, so it is nothing new and is STILL something that needs sorting. As I said pathetic.
chrishove123
Guyver I am not saying TS is the answer either. Hopefully some top managers are looking at this squad and thinking they could work with them. Lloris, verts, dembele, capoue, pauli, eriksen have champions league class in them. lamela and chadli might deliver too. you can't be crap and score 20 plus goals in spain so soldado has it in him. you can't be crap and get to play for real madrid, so ade has it in him too. we will be able to compete with these players eventually
logos8
At last, it has taken exactly 1.5 seasons, but at last we have produced a proper home performance, and result, that's exactly what we need to do in the remaining 9 home games, out play and punish teams, score goals, and try and re-establish WHL as a fortress, somewhere teams don't relish playing, rather than offering them opportunities to get a result and pick up points, as we have done in the recent past. . Would we have won 3-0 today with "lap top man", I doubt it, congrats to Sherwood and all concerned, now we need to show we are moving in the right direction, by putting in good competitive performances at both Old Trafford and the Library.
Frank
logos8 I'm not being negative, I am being a realist, I keep trying to tell you that this is no measuring stick against a team that had to put out virtually a reserve team due to injuries and suspensions. OK I have already said we looked good OK, BUT as I said if we hadn't have looked good there is something definitely wrong. Oh yeah I forgot, there IS something definitely wrong, our bloody so called strikers can't score and as such we have a very poor goal difference which would otherwisse be a very healthy one if they could score.
chrishove123
It's much better. 8 goals in two weeks, is it? How long did AVBs' side go? Our strikers, despite not being the VERY best, are all better than they showed for Andre. Defoe will get 15+ per season, Ade averages around the same. Soldado more. Their recent stats have been quite terrible, but they're good strikers. Paulinho - great game. 'How to shackle a Brazilian' by AVB, available now at all good book shops.
jerkinmahjurgen
longtime ... had to happen one day. Can't wait for the 3-0 win at United! Passing the ball in front of team-mates really does make a difference, methinks!
Geofspurs
chrishove123., not all chances are equal. Some you expect to go in and some you hope go in. Seven goals? How many times does a premiership team score 7 goals in a game? You will always be disappointed if that is your level of expectation! I agree with you about Soldado, he does need to start finishing these chances. Im guessing the 4/5 months under AVB has chipped away at his confidence, can't think of any other reason why an out n out striker can't even hit the target.
Guyver
chrishove123 I admire you. Not many supporters would complain and moan after a 3-0 result.
logos8
All very pretty, but MUST DO BETTER. I'm out of here. BYE all.
chrishove123
Just want to say how miserable I am tonight. Only 67% possession, only 20 shots, only 11 on target, only three goals and we almost conceded once. Fanny for manager!
Dennis Silverton
Now for January, we start with United (A) in the PL, followed by Arsenal (A) in the FA Cup, then Palace (H), Swansea (A), and rounding off the month with Man City (H). How many points will we get out of 12?
Frank
God knows, Frank - enjoy the ride!
Dennis Silverton
I think Levy should try and control himself a bit more when we score goals.
Geofspurs
@frank 7 points but tim will still have a 57% win rate if we beat palace and swansea. COYS
logos8
Yes Stoke were dreadful, but we played some good football and dominated the game. It was a confident performance and certainly one that we needed. We certainly have some very intelligent players at the club and once they really click in the last third then we should be laughing. One of the hardest things to do well in football is fast, accurate and quality passing in and around the opposition box. It takes a good understanding between players, and that's why teams like Arsenal can currently do it so well, their players are used to each other which makes a big difference. We showed some great passing today and in theory it will only get better as the players get used to each other. It's been said over and over again, but we just need time. If we can pick up points whilst gradually improving our play then we should be ok. There are some negatives though - Soldado played well but again his finishing was poor, he looks frustrated. Although I feel that once he gets a couple of open play goals in the prem, then he will start becoming more consistent. But we have to improve our finishing in general, otherwise in closer games we will struggle. - Dawson, I feel, is not good enough if we're serious about top 4 and eventual title ambitions. He's a good header of the ball and an alright defender when the play is in front of him, however, as soon as someone alright runs at him, he gets put on his ass. He's turned way to easily and if we take sentiment out of the equation, he's quite simply not good enough .Lastly, I really hope we are not all about 4,4,2 now and haven't completely ripped up AVB's system. IMO we should be looking to tweak it and not rely solely on 4,4,2 otherwise we will be found out, especially in the middle of the park... We also have players more suited to a 4,3,3. A few small gripes but all in all a great performance today from Sherwood and the boys, should hopefully give them some much needed confidence before Utd and Arse.
rahn DMC
chrishove123 ... OK Stoke were bad and we only scored 3 goals. WBA were bad and then we only scored 1 goal. Southampton weren't bad and yet we scored 3 goals against them. Still 7 points from 3 games and "we can only beat whom we are playing". Rejoice we are unbeaten in 3 EPL games under TS still with some important injured players to get back. AVB and his first 3 games we only had 2 points. I know the opposition may well have been better but can't you at least enjoy watching us play attacking football? I'm one that was calling out that Levy and AVB parted company too early but that is the past and TS is, for now, our manager and we should get behind him and ALL the players. Encouragement gets better results than ridicule.
longtimespur
This site struggles, doesn't it? Threads always broken. Not to mention it's a given that you have to keep refreshing and that ******** video starts again. Take the ***** much? What sort of system is that? Well done, Sherwood. Proud to be a Spur today.
jerkinmahjurgen
logos8 ... What's wrong with you? Don't you know you're supposed to focus on negative things on VS?! Saying nice things about our lads, even if true, could get you reported! ;-)
Geofspurs
I don't think anyone should get carried away by this,stoke only a couple days back were playing v 9 men for the majority of the game.we need to make wht a fortress against the tom noddy teams.
ghulamville
There's still time for Sherwood to get an MBE.
jerkinmahjurgen
Oh and to end on a positive - Liverpool are being considered for the title and they are only 2 points ahead of us. It will be a massive ask but I still think we can hopefully push for CL football.
rahn DMC
Liked what I saw today from our midfield. Well played Lennon, Dembele, Paulinho, Eriksen. Scoring by midfielders takes the pressure off the strikers. We need to get these guys to shoot more than they do. This will give Soldado the opportunity to look for rebounds and deflections in the 6 yard box. Nice to have a real penalty taker also, isn't it?
jvd
For those that say, you can't get 20 goals in Spain and be crap, when discussing Soldado's failure in front of goal. They should remember Morientes, a legend in Spain, who came to Liverpool couldn't do it, and got shipped out. Lightening can strike twice, Soldado is getting decent chances now, and just can't score. He would say, if he is honest, "thank Christ for penalties", how many is that, 4 in the PL.
Frank
top 4 betting,best odds-10/11 bindippers.manure 11/10,everton 7/2,and Tottenham 9/2.we are currently behind everton in the betting
ghulamville
if sherwood can try some 4-5-1 with at least one holding midfielder against top teams we have a chance for the EL final too. I know I am getting carried away, but that's what you should do on a Sunday when you win 3-0. Back to reality tomorrow or at Old Trafford.
logos8
I did not go to the game... just out of hospital over christmas... anyway well done to sherwood and players. A good game, and clean sheet. Chris 123 i see where u are coming from, but.. just try to be a bit less critical, we are getting better, and a team scoring goals is what matters.. as someone already said. COYS..
Block D Spurs
Really looking forward to see how the team players against ManU on Wednesday. That's gonna be a barometer of how they are responding to TS as manager. It will also test TS management capability. It will be interesting for sure. Has my support for the game. Go out and win it TS.
jvd
don't know why we don't get a match report straight after the match,like the chavs site,in doing so would solve this broken site.
ghulamville
site manager take note
ghulamville
Good post, longtimespur. Really cannot see any point in slagging off our players. Hope that none of them ever come on to this site and read some of the rubbish that appears. Enough to make them fed up playing in front of such a miserable, critical bunch of so called "supporters". Just wonder how many of the posters on VS have actually played professional football or managed a professional team. Most of them seem to know so much more than me but then I've only been watching Spurs (and many other great teams and players around the world) since 1953 so what do I know?!
Dennis Silverton
guyver, as I said to logos let's wait till the end of the season and we will make our individual assessments and let's hope we enjoy the ride. Frank you must be easily pleased if you are getting so excited with a home win against a poor Stoke side that have only won twice away in the last year. COYS.
ItalianYiddo
The whole 90 minutes was a total confidence-building exercise which they can move forward from. Good to see the forward movement, improved passing, and attempts to penetrate the box to set each other up.
Geofspurs
Lol Easy Chris H. Look at the result not that scorers. It doesn't matter where the goals come from as long as our team is winning. Your complaint is for another day. Let's just savour the victory, the manner, the clean sheet the stand out players and the fact that we still remain competitive and not cut adrift. Many of us on here including me were posting a tight fought game. It is disappointing not to have improve our goal difference further. The goals from our strikers will come. They are at least getting into these goal scoring chances. It's not often Stoke lose by such margins or fought and outplayed, at least by us.
strawboy
There are many reasons why a player may not make it in another country. It's not a given that Soldado would score for every club in Spain. Sometimes it just doesn't work. One consistent for Spurs is that we play players differently to where they play when we buy them. Dembele, Siggy, Eriksen, all No 10's, I think even Holtby played mostly as an anchor man. Lamela... the list goes on. Good to see Naughton out there. He's a good player and would be the Kyle Walker if there was no Kyle Walker. With Fredericks we're very strong there. A clean sheet is also massive today. When'd we last have one of them?
jerkinmahjurgen
Lets have a look at the positives a little later, but first the negatives:

Hugo Lloris only saved one shot.

Right then, positives:

We limited Stoke to one shot on target and a speculative free kick. It's very easy to say that this is because Stoke came to defend or they were only looking for the draw or whatever word association game you want to play with Stoke City's style of play. Whatever you think of Stoke, they're an intense, hard working team who will put most other teams under pressure, regardless of their possible lack of guile when it comes to carving out chances. This leads me onto another positive which doubles up as a compliment to Stoke and that is that they didn't do anything horrendous to gift us 3 goals. Of course, I'd be picking it apart more if I was a Stoke fan but my point is, I believe our goals came from endeavor, patience and skill, rather than any real ineptitude on their part.

The result and performance against West Brom was a result and performance I would have allowed and accepted had we played that way under AVB, in as much as the tempo was high, the work rate was good but there were a lot of stray passes and a lot of misunderstanding within the team; forgivable under a new manager or new set of players. In that respect, another positive is that it started to click today. There were many one-twos, a lot of give and go, clever passing in and around the area. This is what we haven't seen in the last 18 months. Off the ball we were excellent. Didn't seem to matter if it was 0-0 or 3-0, we worked hard and forced the opposition into playing the ball, which is why we regained it so quickly a lot of the time. Again, unseen in the last 18 months, aside from a couple of games in Europe. Lots of positives and not much negativity.

As for Soldado, I'd be more concerned if he was slamming the ball at the keeper every time he had a chance. The least amount of truth you can ever speak in football is "you should be testing the keeper". Utter *********. He had 3 clear cut chances today, which were the penalty, converted with aplomb, the cross by Lennon which was hopelessly fluffed, though it wasn't an easy chance due to the ball being just behind him, and another which went just wide. He still looks confident and he's still contributing when he's not scoring. Lets put it this way, when he hits a purple patch, we're going to be *****ing dangerous for a while!
Bernio Villas-Spuras
So even the arsenal site is better... sigh. Come on Vital, who you gonna blame there?
jerkinmahjurgen
The reality is that this is just one game but, the team did play well for the whole 90 minutes and seemed to have a much better take on the game plan ... be nice if they keep it up. Mind you, we haven't had a new manager for a few days (and that's weird) so we should expect another announcement soon!
Geofspurs
Bernio ... can't help thinking you focused too much on the negatives, mate! ;-)
Geofspurs
Talking of penalties.. if we get another Euro League or cup shootout we have good practice now..and a top player to take them, also our others players JD etc. so we can score more than the opposition.. COYS
Block D Spurs
Also, what I'm reading too much of recently is how playing 4-4-2 is naive. I don't know why I'm giving comments like those the light of day, but just for the purposes of ranting, I have to give a firm "get frigged" to throwaway comments like that. I think formations are largely becoming more and more irrelevant as time goes on. Did Adebayor play as a striker today? He supported the attack, sure, but then the next minute you'd see him in the left back position. You'd see him on the left wing while Eriksen was in the middle. You'd see Soldado drop further back when Paulinho burst forward. Formations aren't rigid, "two up top waiting for the ball to come to them" ideologies any more. They've changed state from being solid to liquid, and picking two strikers is no more or less naive than picking one striker and setting your team up to NOT SUPPORT HIM.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
Geof, it's ludicrous. Usually our defence gifts the opposition 4 or 5 clear cut chances in a game. Couldn't Lloris have worn his boots on his hands or something?
Bernio Villas-Spuras
It's 3:30am and time for bed. But, here's a last thought ... why not play Lloris as an inverted Goalkeeper; he'd be so good he'd be beside himself. Or, strategy-wise, am I ahead of my time?! Night all. ;-)
Geofspurs
Bernio, I don't think the cliched line that "you should be testing the keeper" is "utter *********" as you put it. Testing the GK has several benefits. You could win a corner, the team can score off a rebound or the GK could make a mistake and the ball goes straight in. In contrast, hitting it wide is hitting it wide, unless it gets a deflection, which could also happen if the shot was on target. Recently Soldado has found himself in several good positions where you'd expect a striker of his quality to at least hit the target. On whether he is confident or not, I agree he doesn't seem affected by his lack of goals, but I reckon he'd be a decent poker player as well, so it's difficult to say.
Guyver
ghulamville.....i've written a match report, Ox will put it up when he has time no doubt.
Cider spurs
Sorry, good points made, Guyver, there are advantages to forcing a save from a keeper, but an established striker will always go for the corner of the net. Pretty sure a professional football player could get the ball on target from inside the box every single time, but to me at least Soldado is showing the confidence of a finisher and he's a tweak or two away from getting a hat trick today.
Bernio Villas-Spuras
Lennon shoots at last. I've been screaming at Lennon to SHOOT for months. Today,first time since March he shoots at goal and scores. Brilliant, we need another ten before the end f the season. At last Dembele gets forward and scores. We have great possession as usual but are pathetic in last third of pitch. Ghastly finishing by Soldado. Paulinho some classy touches. Also Lamela looks a great prospect. Play him.
wentworth
Yes Bernio, but an established striker should be hitting the corners of the net most time in certain situations whether thats from open play (Paulinho against Fulham) or the penalty spot, as Soldado does so very well. To be fair, the way he takes a penalty indicates a player not having confidence issues. I also believe the goals will come, as long as he doesn't shy away from making runs and getting into good goal scoring positions. Maybe he's snatching at his chances like a starving kid who has suddenly been offered anything he wants to eat.. He wasn't getting much service under AVB that's for sure.
Guyver
GEOF GEOF GEOF STOP you havent started cycling round the world i hope, we won 3-0 this week........
tophobunty1882
Bernio Villas-Spuras: "They've changed state from being solid to liquid, and picking two strikers is no more or less naive than picking one striker and setting your team up to NOT SUPPORT HIM." Spot on bernio. Soldado has probably had more service in 3 matches than in the 16 under avb. Keeping him isolated upfront was as naive as the 4-4-2 (which is also played by man city and man utd at times... and liverpool if sturridge is available)
logos8
corrrr i tell you what that chrishove is taking some sort of rocket fuel up his arsenal.....
tophobunty1882
It's not rocket science is it - play Naughton in his natural position and he doesn't look half bad eh. Also, add some power (Paulinho and Dembele) and pace (Lennon) and we look a different team to the no power, no pace line up sent out against west brom. ole fully Capoue will be in for the Manure game as TIm must surely know he needs to be a little bit cautious there. A much needed and good win. COYS
Windlespur
from Gullit...there's a clue in this text......"""Former Chelsea manager Gullit said: "Van Gaal has his own style. He is so strong and so dominant. But of all the clubs in the Premier League, Tottenham will suit him better than any other. "Why? Because Tottenham has always been a footballing side. They have gone back to defensive football and playing with a kind of fear to lose. "The great thing about Van Gaal is that he will not want new players. He thinks there is enough quality there. Spurs have a good squad.""""
tophobunty1882
topho I posted a link yesterday with an article having those quotes but not many read it I guess... that's why I kept going on about van gaal, after reading the piece... it also said that many in holland think he has already agreed to come to spurs
logos8
I hear crickets...
logos8
Last season Spurs had the best point total in our history in PL. This season we are one point ahead of where we were a year ago. What's with all the moaning?
Falstaff the Fool
I know it's terrible, even Frank is happy today! ;)
Guyver
I am happy with the points but still not getting carried away. I have my reasons. Firstly Stoke were poor, secondly Soldado doesn't look like scoring and if we continue missing like we are especially our strikers we will struggle. Ade played well today but if he doesn't play well we don't have a striker to do the same job and with Soldado just not doing enough we again will struggle, we cannot rely on Ade to continue, he is not reliable imo.

Defence was not tested, when they were against wba we looked weak, utd next they will be tested. We need vertonghen and rose back.

Lets see how we do against the big boys before we get carried away but we are getting back to the spurs way and looked comfortable, the test is when we get tested.
WorldPeace
It's just nice to see the team buzzing around like bee's trying to get the ball in the back of the net any which way they can. For all AVB's deep methodical approach, i think Tim has showed that football is an art. As someone mentioned above, it's not rocket science, it's football. I am not sating for one minute that Tim Sherwood is the long term solution, but he could be. We don't know how much Tim has up his sleeve. We don't know how Tim is at actually managing the players when things get tough ect. We don't know how diverse Tim can be with his tactics. He will need to learn fast because he will make lots of mistakes. There are so many things that make a good manager at this level but iam pulling for his because his heart is with the club and he knows the type of football the fans want to see.
asherthesmasher
Would someone write an article on "The qualities of a good manager". Is there a science to it? Does he need coaches qualifications and what do those bring to the table? Is man management or practicing set pieces or defending them or man marking or being a nice person or a leader or what os necessary? A PROPER ARTICLE WOULD BE INTERESTING
Big Ron
now all of a sudden Italiano is say we should expect to win certain games...U turnitis...what a plonker
tophobunty1882
Feel the same way Asher. I'm rooting for him to come good. Fairy tale story, it would be.
jvd
big ron. start....it aint AVB, the end. proper init...olini
tophobunty1882
Happy days at the lane today, about fff ing time... some strange comments on here regarding our best players, Lennon quality, Paulinho quality, Moose quality, Ade, makes a massive difference to our forward line, does more outside the box and Soldado will benefit when the f6(k can shoot - he will learn how to shoot again!!. Stoke where shi1 though,, Tim done well against a shi1 team, AVB would have played 4-5-1 and we'd won 1-0 with just the penalty... Utd he needs a different game plan, COYS.
T.H.F.Chris
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logos8
Ade dropped deep many times, he helped the team a lot.
logos8
http://oi39.tinypic.com/p37cz.jpg
logos8
Big Ron that is indeed a very interesting topic. I think sometimes more important than tactics & setup is the ability to create a good atmosphere in the squad, make them comfortable on the pitch, but especially to make them confident and make them focus and fight for the whole 90 minutes. So many times fergie has selected controversial starting lineups but still got results, and so many times man utd have won just because they believed they can win not because they were actually better on that day. building that winning mentality and determination to fight for the win even when you are 2-0 down can be priceless. same goes for the fans because their support is important in that winning mentality for a team... moaning, complaining, being negative / pessimistic will never win you anything but it's much easier to do that than believe and support your team to fight for results...
logos8
By the way, the reason I say this was a pathetic display of goalscoring is that WEST BROM were able to put FIVE goals past a stronger Stoke team than the one we could only score THREE past. Now THAT IS pathetic. The overall display in general was great, it is our goal scoring prowess that is absolute pants.
chrishove123
Logos your pre-match comment:

"dembele, lennon, paulinho? we will get the 3 points. COYS"

By far post of the day mate, our three best players...
T.H.F.Chris
Namesake Hove did you not get the presents you wanted last week mate,,,I say that as you're normally quite balanced and thought you'd compare us to spurs of the last 6 months rather than other prem teams - first time we've scored three at home all season..
T.H.F.Chris
Chris -- 3-0 win, confidence builder! Cheer the f**** up because it could be worse this time next week, or it could be a hell of a lot better. Its why we love the game :-)
SpursEagle
Good morning chaps. Great result. A win is a win and Spurs murdered Stoke. Should have been more but I'd take 3-0 at home every time. COYS!
James1
Big Ron, There is a whole chapter in Bill Nicks biography on qualities of a manager written about 30 years ago. He mentioned honesty as the main requirement otherwise you would lose the respect of players,lots of other interesting stuff.
matt hoten
just watched the highlights of the game, which was a lot clearer than my subuteo players on the stream I had. We were awesome! Yes Stoke were not at their best but our passing was sharp and accurate for 80% of the game. Apart from the obvious stars of the game I think Ade has made a huge difference to the side and his partnership with Soldado will get better and we will see goals from both of them. COYS
mountainyid
slink slink, pathetic. we won 3-0 we looked positive, the players were smiling, the fans smiling too, its only one game but look forward. need another step next game, not easy to rebuild after such a car crash but are are looking to get on the front foot now with some very good players to come back. how bad is the Paulinho injury?
tophobunty1882
and chrishove, you are normally much more balanced in your views that that yesterday, do you think it was partley becasue you were in the avb camp and its hard to let go? i dont know if you were or not actually now, a few remain staunchly blinded by this need to protect a position regarding AVB such as Italian and Matt Hotten whilst i understand it i dont think its good for spurs to be so inflexible as it clearly wasnt for the man himself, we will find out soon if Sherwood is quite as limited as AVB, I hope he isnt for the sake of spurs. Anyway Chrishove have a happy new year.
tophobunty1882
topho ... you told me that Naughton would play much better on the right; I agree, now!
Geofspurs
geof I have been shouting that about Naughton for almost 2 years, he clearly is a good player but being played out of position so many times must really damage his game as well as it clearly does/did the teams balance. I would still prefer Walker because of his pace and his work rate and impact going forward, but I bet you if Naughton got a run of 5-10 and managed to stear clear of a major disaster it would be a very tough call. Either way he isnt a left back and we cant play him there, Fryers might might one day.
tophobunty1882
I have to back a few others on here with regards to Lennon. One shot in 9 months of football does not make him great. He has been at the club for what? about 9 years now? only 30 goals? After a complete change around to our wings - Lennon should have been the 1st man on the team sheet. The only winger with EPL experience in our squad and his stats are 1 goal in 14 games? Watch him play - He no longer tracks back to help defences out. On counter attacks unless he has the ball he can be seen strolling from half way line to the final third. He can not pick a player out with a cross. His only ability to set players up is when he is on the edge of the box and he cuts a pass back into the middle. He has not contributed more then 12 goals in any season from either assists or goals scored in all his time.... Is that what is going to get us into the CL or is that what has been holding us back. MY OPINION was that Lennon was God Awful yesterday. And has been all season.
mellowchaos
topho ... I prefer Walker at this stage, but I was amazed that Naughton looked a totally different player yesterday. I'll not be so quick to write him off now.
Geofspurs
Only seen the highlights of yesterdays game, looks as though Solly could have had a hat trick, there will be bigger tests but good to see a bit of confidence with the team pressing forward. I had that down as a nailed on 3 points glad to see the team follow through, come on you mighty spurs.
coys1717
mellow, face the right way mate i find it helps. so now we have established we have another member with a significant issue against one player. Would like to see the queue to sign him if we put him up for sale. You cant change you opinion on Lennon any time soon now because of that very tight corner you just put yourself in, a bit avb esq....what about his brilliant pull back for a very good chance for Ade yesterday? I am sure there was more. oh an what a shame he isnt facing his own goal to help out the GK the four defenders and the 2 DMs in AVBs world...ffs man...set him free...be happy spurs won 3-0 build on it dont slaughter it
tophobunty1882
Confidence can have a huge impact on a player and Naughton has been severely lacking confidence recently. Tell tell signs are when a premiership or even Championship level player repeatedly misplaces simple 6 yard passes that a pub team player could make in his sleep. You don't progress to the level Naughton has reached in the game, playing as he did against Liverpool.
Guyver
Lennon has made no progress in 9 years. Why does he never shoot ( he did yesterday for first time in months) , his crosses are poor; he can't take a corner; defences have sussed him; but he is fast. He should be scoring at least 10 goals a season and providing endless assists. As it is he does neither. Time for a big wake up call
wentworth
mellow ... gotta disagree about Lennon. He had a good game, imo. He also scored, which was no mean feat in itself, given the way our season is going. There was no need for him to chase back in this game and, by staying forward, we had faster attacking options.
Geofspurs
Geof Naughton is calmer and on the right probably less prone to mistakes than Walker, but its hard to value the importance of the energy Walker brings to the side, at least this is positive for Naughton and for Spurs
tophobunty1882
Wentworth and he is Pav's cousin too, If youre in I am out mate.
tophobunty1882
Italian Yiddo, I suppose it does seem that I am easily pleased, but I would rather describe it as being desperate for something to cheer. Yes it was a poor, depleted, Stoke City team, but we won at home, we scored 3 goals, and we kept a clean sheet. We couldn't have done all 3 together on the same day v The Dog And Duck, for the last 1.5 seasons under "lap top man". So, it may not be earth shattering, but it is a bloody big improvement on what we have become accustomed to expect.
Frank
I wonder how many times Frank has been described as 'easily pleased' before now ;-)
HershamSpur
Frank, 3-0 is 3-0 let there be a lot of more. I just thought you got a bit carried away with the result against the poorest Stoke side I'v seen at the Lane for a while. Maybe we made them look poor, we shall see over the next couple of months, maybe we have stumbled on the next Guardiola!
ItalianYiddo
topho..... I was right about Pav. I want to be proven wrong about Lennon. After nine years, he needs to step up and develop his game.How to kick a dead ball, how to cross, how to shoot....simple really. Wasn't he an automatic choice for England with a great international future?
wentworth
 

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